Episode 376 – Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Troy Clopton

4- Interview Segment 2: Greg Hopkins

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday May 5th 2016 (Still getting over my May the 4th hangover), I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and on tonight’s show we will talk with Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins about Guns and the Christian faith.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about promoting guns on college campus.. Without being arrested.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s A young man tried to rob a concealed carry holder with a bb gun.  You can guess how that ended..  so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 376 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I created a new website called Everyone for Gun Safety.  Some Washington Lawyers suggested I stop using my old wordpress site Everytown for gun safety.  And I’m reading three gun books.

 

John – Barb and I had a great weekend at the East TN Blogger Shoot. We met up on Friday night for dinner with Dennis giving us a tour of his holster workshop. Then on Saturday we spent all day at the range despite torrential rain later in the day. There was a lot of “here, try this pistol” or “may I try your .357 mag lever action” throughout the day. We had great food, great company, and a great time. Then yesterday I had coffee with Andy Langlois who runs the Scout Rifle Forum and is the maker of the Ching Sling.

 

Gary – Getting ready for MAG40

Paul/Susan Final week before MAG 40. Really getting rushed with preparations.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

There is room for liberty on campus.. Even in Texas.  Nicole Sanders and a fellow activist were recruiting students on the Brenham campus of Blinn College to join Young Americans for Liberty, a student organization Sanders was forming. The two held signs for an hour and a half outside of the student center. One sign read “LOL,” with the Obama presidential campaign logo replacing the “O,” and another sign stated, “Defend Gun Rights on Campus.”

After they were done recruiting, Sanders and her friend went into the student center, where they were approached by an administrator and three armed campus police officers. The administrator told them they needed “special permission” to collect sign-ups for their club and display their signs. The official then added, “I don’t know that you can get special permission” to advocate for gun rights, explaining that she was not against guns, but “on campus, I’m not so sure.” Sanders later requested clarification from a different administrator, who sent her copies of two college policies, one of which required that student organizations request permission a month in advance and gain approval from four administrators for any on- or off-campus expressive activity.

 

The contest about who is allowed to speak and carry signs ended with Blinn College paying 50 thousand dollars for damages and attorney fees.

 

Well done.. And let’s “Defend Gun Rights on Campus.”

John – Good for Nicole. Too bad Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal, a NRA A+ rated Republican, didn’t listen to her. He vetoed campus carry yesterday which had easily passed the GA Legislature.

 

Another record month of background checks

According to AWR Hawkins over at Breitbart April set the 12th record month in a row of background checks for retail gun sales.  Background checks performed in April was 2,145,865. That beats the previous April record of 1,742,946, which was set in 2014. This streak should continue, and if it looks like Hillary may actually win her bid for the White house expect to see it explode, and another round of gun and ammo shortages hit your local gun store.

 

Rob- 23 percent year to year is substantial growth.

 

Sheldon Silver gets a 12 year sentence

Former New York state assembly speaker and one of the authors of the New York SAFE act Sheldon Silver was sentenced to 12 years in prison this week for corruption. In addition to the prison term Sheldon was ordered to repay 5.2 million in ill gotten gains and pay a 1.75 million dollar fine. Sheldon must report to the prison by July 1st to start serving his sentence.

Paul

Rob- Convicted felon Sheldon Silver was a very strong supporter for Hillary Rodham Clinton

Gary – Unfortunately you are the only person saying it, we won’t see that in the press.

 

Obama going after gun rights through Social Security.

Katie Pavlich over at Townhall is reporting that the Obama administration is trying again to push through a requirement that all recipients of Social Security that get their benefits through a third party be submitted to the federal NICS system and have their 2nd amendment rights stripped. This is a trap that will possibly ensnare millions of Social Security recipients who may for convenience decide that they would like some help with their financial affairs. This is a move that we have reported on before, but it looks like the Obama administration is getting serious about moving forward on this quickly.

 

John – Adding another 4 million people to the NICS banned list makes me angrier than you can image. It is unconscionable to these people and to veterans who fought for this country.

Gary –

Rob- Some of them are ill or undergoing medical treatment.  If you ask someone to pay your bills while you’re undergoing chemo then you lose your right to own or be near a firearm.

 

Beating on the Chicago “EL”

A student was attacked on the CTA Blue Line in broad daylight – and she says other people on the train just watched as she was beaten. (WLS)

 

Chicago DePaul student Jessica Hughes was on her way home when she was attacked while sitting in a rail car near the Blue Line stop at Harrison and Kedzie. The attack happened around 10am on Thursday morning.

 

“If you were seeing someone else getting abused, wouldn’t you want to step in?” Hughes said.

 

Hughes said that perhaps more painful than the beating she took at the hands of two robbers while riding the “L”, is that fellow passengers who saw the attack, did nothing to stop it.

 

“I was yelling for help. There were two other guys on the train and they did nothing. They just watched as he beat me,”

 

Her 19 y.o. Attacker wanted her iPhone and started beating her when she would not let go. His female accomplice then punched her in the face before fleeing at the next stop without the iPhone.

 

Hughes suffered a broken nose but is recovering at home. She is not sure when or if she will take the train again given the attack.

 

Police said they are looking at surveillance video as they continue to search for the attackers. So far, no one is in custody.

 

Rob- People watched as this young woman was beaten in broad daylight .. in a gun free zone.

Gary –

John – Gary, Is pepper spray also banned?

 

Gun Quotes-  This one is from Michael Beard.  Michael said, “I would agree that clearly, no law is going to prevent criminals from getting handguns or any kind of weapons they want.. You can’t stop criminals from getting guns”  Michael Beard was the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins.

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4- Interview 1-Troy Clopton of god and guns podcast

 

5- Interview 2- Greg Hopkins about Guns and the Christian faith. He is the author of A Time to Kill: The Myth of Christian Pacifism

Rob- You sound certain.  Why is this contentious?

 

6- DGUs

 

We’ve got a number of self defense stories – unfortunately, with more than usual lessons to be learned.

 

Real vs. Fake Gun – Which One Wins?

A Millennial brought a BB gun to a gunfight — and whadayaknow — lost.   

The Boston area teen offered to sell a dirt bike to a 31-year-old man. They settled on a 700 buck price and agreed to meet in a quiet, family neighborhood to complete the deal.  However, the 15-year-old had something other than honest capitalism in mind; he packed a realistic looking BB gun.

When the teenager produced the gun, there was an immediate struggle for the weapon. During the fight, the victim was able to get to a pistol he had in his truck. He fired three times, striking the crook once. The ventilated criminal ran off, but collapsed nearby.  Police arrived to take the thuglet to the hospital, where his condition has not been released due to his age. He will eventually be charged with Armed Robbery While Masked. The investigation is continuing, but to date no charges have been filed against the victim, who is licensed to carry a gun. The victim wisely refused to discuss the shooting with local media. The area’s residents seemed generally supportive of the victim, despite the gunplay that shattered their neighborhood’s quiet.


When looking at this incident, we must again reiterate the dangers of these Craigslist type of sales. Please be hyper-aware and utilize police parking lots to make the transactions, if possible. And if licensed, it is nearly always better to carry on body, instead of nearby. Leaving the gun in the truck could have proved disastrous to the gentleman. For the Millennial, we hope he will learn something from this experience and straighten out… We can always hope.  

 

Paul – Play stupid games win stupid prizes – POGO

Rob- Consider the options.  The gun is usually real, not a bb bun.  Carry, because you don’t know when criminals will attack you.

 

80-Year-Old Stops Brutal Attack By 25-Year-Old

Talk about disparity of force: a 25-year-old intruder with a large knife was stabbing a 75-year-old man on the floor. Fortunately, his 80-year-old wife had an equalizer.

 

Investigating the late-night sounds of a door being kicked in, the woman found her husband on the floor, with a man with a large knife standing over him. She ran to a bedroom and got a gun and shot the attacker several times, saving her husband from additional wounds. He was airlifted to Seattle hospital with several abdominal stab punctures, but is expected to survive. His assailant did not.


Police determined that the criminal (excuse us: the person involved in the <quote> “Justice” <end quote> system) lived several miles away from the couple’s’ rural Snohomish County, Washington home. Police believe the perpetrator did not know the victims; this seems a random crime; perhaps the house was chosen for it’s remote location.   

 

We certainly commend the woman’s courage and skill. However, we will point out that several precious seconds could have been saved it the couple were wearing their firearms. We will continue to advocate for POGO: Pants On – Gun On, even if you are living your Golden Years in the beautiful Washington countryside. This is just one more instance where the possession of a firearm by law-abiding citizens prevented a tragedy that could well have included multiple murders.



Can you hear us now, Bloomberg?  

 

John – While the intruder may not have known his victims, I wonder if he went after them for drugs. Elderly people tend to be on more medications.

Pregnant Couple In Stand-Off With Armed Burglar
A young Tennessee couple faced a nightmare situation: a Mexican Stand-off with an armed intruder.


The couple returned home one evening and found several broken windows. They somehow decided to search their home with guns drawn. It was hardly surprising that they found a man in a closet, and that he had a gun. In a scene reminiscent of the classic The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly climax, the three faced each other over drawn guns. The couple recognized their 20-year-old neighbor and the woman’s pink handgun he was pointing at them. The criminal threatened the couple with death unless they disarmed, they refused and called 911. Making the best of an insane situation, the operator told the couple to stay on the phone and “keep your gun pointed. That way, if he shoots, you fire also.” <unquote>  Oy. <unquote>

 

When deputies arrived, they tried negotiating with the suspect still inside the house. The cornered criminal even called 911 to talk to the cops. “He counted down from 10. We heard “7”, then we heard a pop.” The suspect had taken his own life.

When analyzing this situation, there’s one very big DON’T DO! Never enter a building where a criminal is suspected of hiding. That’s for the police; they have the training, equipment and manpower to do that very dangerous task. Clearing a building can and does get people killed, even trained professionals. These two, and their unborn child, are VERY lucky they survived.

Stupidity kills. Even if Darwin happened to be looking the other way this time.  

 

Rob- Let’s look at what they did right.  They were carrying, and they did not lower their guard.

 

Boy Shoots a Home Invader, Who Cries Like a Baby

A Talladega, Alabama boy shot a home invader, making him cry like a widdle baby.  Chris Gaither, 11 was home alone when a burglar broke in. Scared, he grabbed a handgun and called for the burglar to leave the house. It seems the boy was surprised by the intruder coming down the stairs. The crook told the boy he was going kill him with all the usual colorful expletives.   

 

According to the news reports, the intruder made it to the front door before the boy started firing. The crook trundled across the yard and was about to jump a fence before the boy’s 12th and last round hit him in the leg.  “I shot through the hamper he was carrying,” Gaither said. “it was a full metal jacket bullet. It went straight through the back of his leg. He started crying like a little baby.” <unquote>

 

Police have not released the name of the suspect, nor his condition in the local hospital. Gaither’s mother believes the man has robbed their house before. The young marksman gives his stepdad all the credit for his shooting skills.

It goes without saying that we commend the bravery of the boy. However, we will once again reiterate that if the criminal is running away, the law in Tennessee and most states does not allow the victim to fire. Additionally, full metal jacketed bullets usually have no place in a self-defense firearm. Still, when this stout-hearted lad turns 18, we hope he gets his CCW, along with some additional training.

 

Paul – In SD the parent is liable (financially) for the actions of their children.

 

Rob- Good that he was armed.  Good that his parents exposed him to firearms and decided he was mature enough to use them.  Bad that he fired at a fleeing criminal.  The youngsters use of force may be justified since the criminal threatened him with death or great bodily harm.

 

John – I would make sure that the young man get some more training. If he only hit him with one out of 12 rounds, he needs more marksmanship training plus knowing when to not shoot.

 

CCW Intervenes in a Domestic Dispute Shooting — And is Killed
And finally, come a very harsh, very real aspect of our concealed carry life, one we feel our listeners need to take to heart.

T.J. Antell, 35, witnessed a domestic dispute turn to gunfire outside a Arlington, Texas Walgreen’s. Ricci Bradden, 22, shot his wife Quinisha once in the ankle and jumped in his truck to escape. Former Marine Antell ran to his own truck for his weapon and attempted to stop Bradden. The Army soldier got out of his truck, slapped down Antell’s firearm, and shot him in the head. The father of three died in the Walgreen’s parking lot in front of his wife, Crystal.  

 

“He went into protective mode. He’s a father, he’s protective by nature,” Antell’s pastor, Marc Lowrance, told reporters. “And he thought he could help everyone involved, and tragically it went a different way.” <unquote>

Tragic is a gross understatement. There’s nothing about a CCW license or training that guarantees a happy outcome. A very brave man put his life on the line attempting a citizen’s arrest of an armed and fleeing suspect. And unfortunately, he lost that bet, to the detriment of his family and to all of us that no longer have the company of such a fine man. One of the absolute rules of the armed citizen is that if you do not need to act to save life or limb, You. Should. Not. Act. Please honor the memory of T.J. Antell and keep that in mind. And maybe, spare a moment in prayer for this outstanding man and his family.  

Godspeed, T.J. Antell. Rest in Peace, Marine.  

 

Gary –

John –

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Hello again from the Steel City!

 

Wanted to share my thoughts on a class I took over the weekend here in Pittsburgh. My skills with a carbine are somewhat lacking so I decided to take a “Carbine 1”: course taught locally here in the area. Class was $350 bucks. This is a rather long winded email, so feel free to edit this to fit for time purposes or as needed.

 

Here is what I was told via their web site.

 

TOPICS COVERED WILL BE:

  • Firearms Safety Rules
  • Developing Proper Situational Awareness
  • Carbine Zeroing
  • 7 Fundamentals of Carbine Marksmanship
  • Carbine Reloads and Malfunction Clearing
  • Carbine to Pistol Transitions
  • Proper Use of Cover and Concealment
  • Threat Discrimination
  • Standard and Non-Standard Shooting Positions
  • Shooting While Moving
  • Night Shoot / Low Light Exercise

 

Well let me say the course was not what it was built up to be. I could give you a blow by blow of the course but I’ll just give you the lowlights here.

1) We were told to bring a minimum of 500 rounds. After day one, he out loud questioned if 500 hundred rounds would be enough, then when all was said and done, Ii personally only got to shoot about 350 rounds (we all shot the same amount so I am sure most had extra ammo at the end. Some even went to the gun store to buy more after day 1 based on his comments.

2) His demeanor ranged from wanting to be our buddies more than teach us to downright belittling one student who was struggling.

3) Some brought his stated minimum number of 3 AR magazines then were criticized for not having enough and slowing the class down.

4) Several things we were to cover were simply not done. Two people said they needed to zero their rifles, he took about 15 minutes to help them then just said “Well that is good enough, you can work with that” The “7 fundamentals of carbine marksmanship” were not covered except for him to name them out to us on the firing line. We did ZERO malfunction drills. ZERO. Cover and concealment were not covered. All shooting was done standing on the firing line for all shooting. No shooting and moving. No night shoot.

5) the last hour and a half were spent with him giving his list of AR’s and equipment he recommends. And when i say recommends, if your not using what he uses, it’s junk. Example. “All pistols other than the Glock series and the S&W M&P series are junk.” Student who owns a Sig 226. “What about Sig’s?” Instructor “Sig’s are over engineered junk”.  Another example “The only AR you should get should be made by one of 3 companies. Bravo Compnay, Lurue. Or Colt. Anything else is junk.” Now mind you, I am smart enough to see the errors in his statements, but most of the class was nodding their heads and literally taking notes. One person behind me spoke to his wife (also attending the class) about his need to trade in this existing AR for one that the instructor mentioned.  

6) The instructors Bravo Company AR repeatedly jammed during class. He blamed this on new magazines he was trying out. I gave him one of my milspec Brownell mags to use to complete a drill he was trying to show us, The gun jammed again. At this point he performed the mortar technique to attempt to clear it and broke his stock then went into a tirade about  it.

7) He gave a long and rambling history of the AR which included many errors including that the US military adopted the AR15 as the M16 in 1957. His history also skipped the M-14 going direct from the M1 Garand to the M16.

8) We also were told at the end of the class that we as students had to pick up all the brass and place them in several buckets he had. When I mumbled out loud that he was probably going to reload our brass for himself, he heard and said, “Oh i donate all this to a local boy scout troop, they take it to be recycled”. OK fine, whatever. I doubt it but a paying customer should not have to be down on his or her knees for 30-45 mins of my class time picking up brass.

The class was an extreme disappointment. the instructor kept moving different parts of the class around and generally didn’t seem to have a grasp of what he was trying to accomplish. mind you, this guy has been in business for years. His main goal seemed to be to stroke his own ego. And the sad part is, many of the students were gladly signing up for his “Carbine 2” class offered later this year.

 

So how does one respond when you go to a class that is clearly not what we expect? Should I just consider this water over the dam and drop it? How can we as the consumer protect ourselves from getting sucked in by a slick website or someone promising all the right things in their ad’s.

Dean

Rob- the best recommendations are from students who’ve had a wide range of training.

John – ask other instructors who you trust to recommend someone in your area.

 

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Last episode, you talked briefly with Grant Cunningham about carrying while on a motorcycle, and I have recently had a related topic come up – Bicycle carry.

 

I recently moved to a metropolitan area and landed an office job, and in an effort to keep a spare tire at bay, I’m going to take up bicycling for exercise.  Since I am in a large city, I would like to be able to carry while I’m on a bike, but my traditional IWB at 5:00 prints like a Deskjet when I’m bent over my bicycle, and clothing can ride up over it easily.  The fanny pack mentioned last episode sounds like a good idea, but does anyone else have experience with other carry methods that might work as well?  It needs to be resistant to clothing riding up over it, as well as the jostling you might expect if I take a bicycle over a curb or a busted-up sidewalk, and I would like to be able to wear reasonably light clothing while exercising.

 

Thanks,

Jake (from State Farm)

 

John – http://www.thewilderness.com/safepacker-concealment-holster/

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Hi folks,

I just wanted to add to the conversation from the last podcast about shooting from bed.  I gave this some thought in our house.  I realized that my position in bed could have me firing at my daughter who is in line with me, 2 drywall walls away.  I have seen lots of ballistic penetration videos where this arrangement could be a real problem.  Now, will I be able to consider this alignment given the sleep inertia that Paul discussed?

 

Thanks for the great podcast.

 

Doug

Savage, MN

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We got some text messages as well

 

A quick reporting regarding alien gear cloak tuck 3.0. Worn for 3 weeks, the metal insert began to cut the top where the leather and neoprene backing are stitched together. Relatively comfortable and had to change to metal clips as the plastic ones provided initially were not secure. Warranteed,but obviously would happen again so ordered a stealth gear. They are 45 day lead time, but I’ll send word once it’s tested etc.

TNJR (Tennessee Junior)

 

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Afternoon crew,

 

Since I don’t own an AR (yet) my wife says I can have one under two conditions.

  1. Get a gun safe
  2. She wants one too

God I’m blessed 😊

I don’t know anything about gun safes other than I don’t want a cheap one that anyone can break into and I don’t want to break the bank either. Any recommendations on which brands you all like, what to look for in a quality safe etc etc would be helpful.

 

P.S. I need to hurry up and get this before Killary gets in office next January.

 

Thank you

JP

 

CF: Worn an Alien Gear CloakTuck 3 almost daily for 6 months without a problem. Hmm. As for safes, I honestly believe Liberty Safes are the best value for the money: great safes and a greater company supporting them. (Full Disclosure: I’m the Liberty Safe Captain at the Gonne Shoppe. But, I’ve had a Liberty FatBoy Jr. in my basement before I started working there.)  

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Regarding Richard’s shot timer question from episode 374, tell him to check out the Shotmaxx

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From Jeff in Florida-

I heard you talking about using blue guns with students.  When I have a student point a blue gun at my right eye to check their sight alignment,  I make it very clear that this is an instructional exception.  In my opinion, and from my observation, the students then get it; better than they would have, the importance of muzzle awareness.

 

Rob- use a mirror.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I’m writing about the lives that gun owners saved in April.  Those articles will be up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog “only guns and money”

 

I have two blog posts of note that I’d like to highlight. The first was about Rev. Rob Schenk saying you can’t be pro-life and pro-gun. I disagree. The second was this morning and I confessed to being a liar. However, I lied when asked by my new internist’s medical office asst if there were any guns in the home. I said no because it was none of their business. Besides, I own firearms not guns so you could say that technically I didn’t lie.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 379 – Peruta Decision Fallout

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Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Alan Gottlieb

4- Interview Segment 2: Gene Hoffman

4A- Shayna Lopez Rivas

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

 

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, June 10th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Alan Gottlieb from the Second Amendment Foundation about recent court decisions saying there are no rights for civilians to be armed in public.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Gene Hoffman of the CalGuns Foundation about judges and California politics.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have Shayna Rivas with us again.  She talks about Campus Carry and Crazy colleges.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about someone that brought Nunchucks to a Gunfight .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 379 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Went to upstate New York last weekend and didn’t carry.  Carried at home, and at work, and dry practiced.  I have some training opportunities coming up the next two weeks.  I’m not sure if I’ll be with you next week, but I’m sure to miss the week after when I go to Ohio to train with Dr. John Edeen and Paul Carlson at Safety Solutions Academy.

 

John – I finally did something that I’ve been talking about doing for a long time – I bought a suppressor. It is the SilencerCo Omega 7.62 which allows me to use it on everything from my AR-15 through and including my FAL. A suppressor not only cuts down on the noise but it helps tame recoil. I’m sure the ATF is going to be overloaded with Form 4s from trusts as trusts will be required to submit fingerprints and pictures after July 13th. Given that, I probably won’t take possession until Christmas! Now if only the Hearing Protection Act is passed so I can get a $200 tax refund!

Rob- would your sheriff sign?

 

Rachel- shot and taught – music and guns

 

Gary – https://www.facebook.com/SourceFedNews/videos/1199514293432055/?pnref=story

Very interesting video: The history of Trump and politics https://youtu.be/ZJyIztXX3Bs

 

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

Paul- Liberal apologists said that no one wants to take our firearms.  Well this Democrat official said she does.  Democrat National Platform Committee member Bonnie Schaefer says she does not believe anyone should have a gun.  In a video released this week, Committee member Schaefer said gun control efforts have to go beyond keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people and criminals.  Quote “I really don’t personally think anyone should have a gun.”  Close quote.

Schaefer was appointed to the Democrat Nominating Committee after she donated large sums of money to Democrat candidates.  Money talks, and gun owners can hear it loud and clear. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/08/dnc-platform-member-nobody-gun/

 

John – How do you know a politician isn’t lying? Their lips aren’t moving!

 

John – There are a great number of new gun laws being passed in the California this legislative session.  The political actors read like a post office wanted poster.  Last year it was anti gun California state senator Leland Yee who was convicted on charges of bribery and gun running.  This year, President of the California Senate, Kevin De Leon is the author of at least four anti-rights bills that unfairly burden honest gun owners.  Senator De Leon is also named 47 times in a current FBI probe for official corruption and bribery.  http://patch.com/california/highlandpark-ca/senator-kevin-de-len-named-in-fbi-affidavit-alleging-corruption

 

Comment- Elected officials are exempt from these new gun laws. http://joeforamerica.com/2016/06/california-gun-laws-apply-not-california-royalty/

 

Comment- California seems more like New York all the time.

 

Rob- California legislatures routinely take the money from the firearms transfer fees and concealed carry fees, and then say they don’t have enough people to perform background checks in a reasonable time.  The are dishonest at best.

 

Rob- We continue to seen record gun sales month after month and the trend continued.  This May eclipsed the sales record set for May a year ago.  With almost 2 million background checks each month, this is the 13th month for record firearms sales.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/record-gun-sales-continue-may/

 

John – A thought I don’t want to think about but imagine what the rush would be like if Hillary was elected. It would make the post-Newtown surge look like small potatoes. Not just ARs and magazines but you’d have people fighting over Hi-Points.

 

Rob- If she is elected, the NICS background check server will go down.

Paul – I don’t think that it will take that long. I think it will happen the day after the november election

Gary –

 

Gary – This is a political year, and we hear wild charges leveled against firearms owners.  We’re told that the violence in Socialist controlled cities is the fault of honest gun owners and lax gun laws.  The failed city of Chicago suffered 69 shooting victims while New Orleans had 37 victims spread over 23 armed robberies over the Memorial day weekend.  It is odd that we don’t have these problems in nearby cities who elected conservative politicians.  We have to note that it isn’t NRA members shooting up Chicago and New Orleans. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/01/democrat-run-new-orleans-23-armed-robberies-2-murders-memorial-weekend/

 

John – The problem is always someone else’s fault if you’re the mayor of a failed city.

Rob- That was for memorial day weekend

 

Rachel- We have some good news from the State Supreme Court of New Hampshire.  The court unanimously invalidated a regulation preventing non-residents from qualifying for a New Hampshire carry license.  The regulation required that non residents already possess a carry permit in their home state. The regulation unfairly discriminated against residents of anti-rights states which make it impossible to obtain a permit.

 

The court said “ By requiring nonresidents to submit proof of their resident state licenses, the administrative rules effectively import into New Hampshire law requirements different from those set forth (by the state legislature.)”

https://anjrpc.site-ym.com/page/WINinNHNonResCarry

 

Rob- Lots of people travel to New Hampshire and want to carry in that state, yet can’t receive a concealed carry permit from their local judge or sheriff.

 

John – I know a Canadian or two who has applied for a non-res. NH permit. They might even be gun podcasters.

 

Paul- We know lots of anti-gun politicians who have bodyguards.  In a similar vein of hypocrisy, the director a recent anti-gun film broke several federal firearms laws in an effort to show how easy it is to get around firearms law.  While criticizing honest gun owners, the producer of the film “under the gun” sent subordinates to make illegal straw purchases and make illegal purchases across state lines. The producer said the guns , and now also the evidence, were destroyed by Arizona law enforcement.  That isn’t likely since Arizona law enforcement is required to put their surrendered or seized firearms up for auction.  Those guns might now become significant collectors items.. When the feds are done using them as evidence for the prosecution. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436400/katie-couric-gun-documentary-likely-violated-federal-law

 

Rob- I love the smell of irony in the morning, but I doubt the Obama Administration is going to prosecute any anti-rights journalist.  Obama’s department of justice ignored similar violations.

Gary –

John –

Paul – I think that that documentary is just about as much a documentary about guns as “This is Spinal Tap” is about rock music.

 

Gun Quote

Rachel- “Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.”  by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman and Shayna Rivas.

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3- Interview- Alan Gotlieb:

  1. Peruta
    1. 2AA doesn’t apply to civilians
    2. No right to bear arms in public
  2. JPFO
  3. GRPC- record reservations.
  4. Illinois Lawsuit about non-resident permits

 

4- Gene Hoffman-

9th ignored the constitution and our arguments.  They ignored the historical record and used overturned rulings in their arguments.

Rational basis labeled as strict scrutiny.

Open carry, but there is no open carry.  The court dodged the fundamental issue.

 

“..that the protection of the Second Amendment does not extend to the carrying of concealed firearms in public by members of the general public..”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/436408/peruta-loss-ninth-circuit-second-amendment-advocates

 

4A- Shayna Lopez Rivas–  Welcome back, Shayna.  You are a student at Florida State University- Tallahassee.  Last week you told me about a man who used to work for the college of social work.  This university employee threatened to use shoot his his co-workers.  This employee literally created a “hit list”.  Now this troubled man has been re-hired by FSU in a different college.  At the time the threats were made, the university police said they did not have any actionable charges.

 

FSU refuses to protect us and claims sovereign immunity after we’re victimized on campus…but then goes ahead and re-hires a disturbed man who threatened to kill university faculty and staff members?

 

“You don’t need a gun b/c we’ll protect you.  BUT, we will create a dangerous situation and if it goes bad, we’ll claim NO responsibility for it.”  This, my friends, is why we NEED campus carry.

 

I want this on record. If something happens to me while I’m at work, someone make this University bleed. Don’t settle, money is no matter, it’s the principle behind it all. The school wants to play games with my life, with our lives.  Let’s make sure they go to trial and make sure to expose this administration for what it is.

 

Rob- What does your local sheriff say?


5- DGUs

Rachel – Don’t Bring Nunchucks to a Gunfight

“I told him he’s an idiot. I pointed my gun at him. He kept making progress toward me, swinging his nunchucks and that’s when I shot him.” Those are the words of man who defended his wife from an attack by a violent ex-husband.

A couple were relaxing on their Indiana back patio after celebrating their tenth anniversary when a car pulled up. Her ex had blatantly violated a restraining order and a No-Trespassing sign. He got out swinging the deadly nunchucks. “My thoughts were, ‘He’s going to try and beat me up or kill me with these nunchucks, then go take it out on my wife’,” said the husband. However, the man stood firm in defense of his family. “I reached for my gun. He gets out of his car in a rage. You could see it in his eyes.”

 

As the ex ran toward him swinging the nunchucks, the husband opened fire.  The ex was hit six times and is now hospitalized in critical condition.  

The wife described the shooting as “bittersweet.” “I give all my love and appreciation to my husband. He did a phenomenal job and he’d do it again for his family. That’s the kind of man he is.Unfortunately it came to this. No, I do not wish death upon nobody. I don’t want him to pass away. But, he is in the situation he’s in because he put himself there.”

Police say because he was acting in self-defense the husband is not facing criminal charges at this time.

 

Paul –  Another win for POGO. If the man had not been carrying while at home after a celebration, the crazy ex could easily have inflicted severe injuries or worse on the couple.

John –

Gary –

Paul – buying limes in Britain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063954/Asda-tell-chef-You-buy-lime–classed-weapon.html

 

Rob- A pharmacy owner in Levittown, Pennsylvania was prepared.  He had a security camera system installed.  More important was that the store owner was alert and aware at 10 in the morning.  The pharmacist was processing paperwork on a quiet Friday when he saw a man wearing a halloween mask get out from the passenger side door of a minivan.  The driver remained in the car with the engine running.  The masked man also carried a shotgun.

 

The thief entered the store and turned toward the pharmacy counter.  The store owner shouted for the thief to stop.  The thief advanced and jumped over the pharmacy counter with his shotgun.  The pharmacist fired several shots and struck the armed robber.  The robber collapsed on the floor.  Police arrested the waiting accomplice.  There were no other customers or staff in the store at that time.

 

The robber had a bundle of zip ties in his pocket.  The robber was prepared.. And so was the store owner.  The store owner had worked previously for a major pharmacy chain in a bad neighborhood.  There he had to be unarmed due to company policy.  He was determined to be armed when he opened his own business.

 

Paul- That video system paid for itself. We had a story a few weeks ago about a dash cam that may have saved the day

Rob- This pharmacy owners had more time than most victims.  Even then, there was no time to get a gun from a safe.  He had seconds to respond with the tools on his body.  He wore a gun and saved his life.

 

Gary- California Marijuana Dispensary Robbers Shot

In a story that could only happen in California – well, also in Colorado, Oregon, etc., etc. – two men attempted to rob a Medical Marijuana Dispensary – and got a chronic dose of lead for their troubles.

 

Two masked men, wearing body armor and carrying what the proudly ignorant LA media described as “assault rifles” <kaff> tried their luck at a legal marijuana dispensary. According to the store owner, “They were there to kill us.” He’d seen them breaking down the store’s door on surveillance cameras. Forewarned, the owner was able to use a handgun to stop the attack, putting both men into the hospital in critical condition. The pair is not known to have fired any shots, and no one else was injured in the attack.

Video shows the owner walking around outside his business, directing the cleanup and the patching of the many windows with gunshot holes. A street littered with an armored vest, bloody clothing and used medical supplies was also shown. The owner, who could be described as a “hard dude”, was not arrested, and has not been charged with a crime, although the investigation is on-going.


Rachel- The video system again made a difference. Awareness is half the battle.

John – These businesses do so much cash business that they are the new targets just like the old targets of pawn shops and liquor stores.

Gary-

Rob- The video kept him out of jail because the police saw that it was clearly self-defense.

John- Death in a Sleepy Little Burg

Two young men unfortunately made the mistake of their lives when they allegedly invaded a home and then threatened the resident. Incidents of this type are a rarity in the sleepy little Springport Township in Jackson County, Michigan. Police say the two 18-year-olds were involved in a Breaking and Entering when some sort of altercation occurred with the resident outside the home. Both men were shot and killed and found lying close by in the yard. The investigation is continuing, awaiting the autopsy reports and results from the Michigan State Police Crime Lab.

 

The two were no strangers to the police. They had accumulated a host of charges in their few years, ranging from marijuana possession to weapons offenses. As could be expected, one of the teens was on probation after receiving a suspended sentence for larceny, the other was out after an arrest last month for the same offense. The two criminals may also be responsible for a rash of property crimes in the neighborhood. At this time, charges are not likely against the homeowner.  

Deadly crime can occur anywhere — even in “safe” locations.
Stay armed, stay vigilant, stay capable.  

Rob- Amen

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I noticed that several anti-rights California politicians were under investigation just as they were passing anti-gun bills.  I wrote an article called “Are All Anti Gun Politicians Corrupt  The answer is that too many of them are corrupt, and they’ve been caught.  I posted several articles this week at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland, and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

Paul

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

Since we’ve already discussed California, I will only point out that gun rights activists are punching back twice as hard against Gavin Newsom’s ammo background check initiative. I did a post like I do every year on D-Day. A child born on D-Day 1944 would now be 72 years old and hopefully retired. If it was a boy, he might have served in Vietnam as a young lieutenant. If it was a girl, she’d might have been my 3rd grade teacher. My father was a veteran of WW2 as were the fathers of many of my classmates. My point is that even though a lifetime has passed since D-Day we should never forget the awesome sacrifice of those 18, 19, and 20 year olds on that cold day in June 1944.

 

John-  That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman, and Shayna Lopez-Rivas for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Alan Gottlieb

4- Interview Segment 2: Gene Hoffman

4A- Shayna Lopez Rivas

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

 

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, June 10th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Alan Gottlieb from the Second Amendment Foundation about recent court decisions saying there are no rights for civilians to be armed in public.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Gene Hoffman of the CalGuns Foundation about judges and California politics.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have Shayna Rivas with us again.  She talks about Campus Carry and Crazy colleges.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about someone that brought Nunchucks to a Gunfight .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 379 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Went to upstate New York last weekend and didn’t carry.  Carried at home, and at work, and dry practiced.  I have some training opportunities coming up the next two weeks.  I’m not sure if I’ll be with you next week, but I’m sure to miss the week after when I go to Ohio to train with Dr. John Edeen and Paul Carlson at Safety Solutions Academy.

 

John – I finally did something that I’ve been talking about doing for a long time – I bought a suppressor. It is the SilencerCo Omega 7.62 which allows me to use it on everything from my AR-15 through and including my FAL. A suppressor not only cuts down on the noise but it helps tame recoil. I’m sure the ATF is going to be overloaded with Form 4s from trusts as trusts will be required to submit fingerprints and pictures after July 13th. Given that, I probably won’t take possession until Christmas! Now if only the Hearing Protection Act is passed so I can get a $200 tax refund!

Rob- would your sheriff sign?

 

Rachel- shot and taught – music and guns

 

Gary – https://www.facebook.com/SourceFedNews/videos/1199514293432055/?pnref=story

Very interesting video: The history of Trump and politics https://youtu.be/ZJyIztXX3Bs

 

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

Paul- Liberal apologists said that no one wants to take our firearms.  Well this Democrat official said she does.  Democrat National Platform Committee member Bonnie Schaefer says she does not believe anyone should have a gun.  In a video released this week, Committee member Schaefer said gun control efforts have to go beyond keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people and criminals.  Quote “I really don’t personally think anyone should have a gun.”  Close quote.

Schaefer was appointed to the Democrat Nominating Committee after she donated large sums of money to Democrat candidates.  Money talks, and gun owners can hear it loud and clear. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/08/dnc-platform-member-nobody-gun/

 

John – How do you know a politician isn’t lying? Their lips aren’t moving!

 

John – There are a great number of new gun laws being passed in the California this legislative session.  The political actors read like a post office wanted poster.  Last year it was anti gun California state senator Leland Yee who was convicted on charges of bribery and gun running.  This year, President of the California Senate, Kevin De Leon is the author of at least four anti-rights bills that unfairly burden honest gun owners.  Senator De Leon is also named 47 times in a current FBI probe for official corruption and bribery.  http://patch.com/california/highlandpark-ca/senator-kevin-de-len-named-in-fbi-affidavit-alleging-corruption

 

Comment- Elected officials are exempt from these new gun laws. http://joeforamerica.com/2016/06/california-gun-laws-apply-not-california-royalty/

 

Comment- California seems more like New York all the time.

 

Rob- California legislatures routinely take the money from the firearms transfer fees and concealed carry fees, and then say they don’t have enough people to perform background checks in a reasonable time.  The are dishonest at best.

 

Rob- We continue to seen record gun sales month after month and the trend continued.  This May eclipsed the sales record set for May a year ago.  With almost 2 million background checks each month, this is the 13th month for record firearms sales.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/record-gun-sales-continue-may/

 

John – A thought I don’t want to think about but imagine what the rush would be like if Hillary was elected. It would make the post-Newtown surge look like small potatoes. Not just ARs and magazines but you’d have people fighting over Hi-Points.

 

Rob- If she is elected, the NICS background check server will go down.

Paul – I don’t think that it will take that long. I think it will happen the day after the november election

Gary –

 

Gary – This is a political year, and we hear wild charges leveled against firearms owners.  We’re told that the violence in Socialist controlled cities is the fault of honest gun owners and lax gun laws.  The failed city of Chicago suffered 69 shooting victims while New Orleans had 37 victims spread over 23 armed robberies over the Memorial day weekend.  It is odd that we don’t have these problems in nearby cities who elected conservative politicians.  We have to note that it isn’t NRA members shooting up Chicago and New Orleans. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/01/democrat-run-new-orleans-23-armed-robberies-2-murders-memorial-weekend/

 

John – The problem is always someone else’s fault if you’re the mayor of a failed city.

Rob- That was for memorial day weekend

 

Rachel- We have some good news from the State Supreme Court of New Hampshire.  The court unanimously invalidated a regulation preventing non-residents from qualifying for a New Hampshire carry license.  The regulation required that non residents already possess a carry permit in their home state. The regulation unfairly discriminated against residents of anti-rights states which make it impossible to obtain a permit.

 

The court said “ By requiring nonresidents to submit proof of their resident state licenses, the administrative rules effectively import into New Hampshire law requirements different from those set forth (by the state legislature.)”

https://anjrpc.site-ym.com/page/WINinNHNonResCarry

 

Rob- Lots of people travel to New Hampshire and want to carry in that state, yet can’t receive a concealed carry permit from their local judge or sheriff.

 

John – I know a Canadian or two who has applied for a non-res. NH permit. They might even be gun podcasters.

 

Paul- We know lots of anti-gun politicians who have bodyguards.  In a similar vein of hypocrisy, the director a recent anti-gun film broke several federal firearms laws in an effort to show how easy it is to get around firearms law.  While criticizing honest gun owners, the producer of the film “under the gun” sent subordinates to make illegal straw purchases and make illegal purchases across state lines. The producer said the guns , and now also the evidence, were destroyed by Arizona law enforcement.  That isn’t likely since Arizona law enforcement is required to put their surrendered or seized firearms up for auction.  Those guns might now become significant collectors items.. When the feds are done using them as evidence for the prosecution. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436400/katie-couric-gun-documentary-likely-violated-federal-law

 

Rob- I love the smell of irony in the morning, but I doubt the Obama Administration is going to prosecute any anti-rights journalist.  Obama’s department of justice ignored similar violations.

Gary –

John –

Paul – I think that that documentary is just about as much a documentary about guns as “This is Spinal Tap” is about rock music.

 

Gun Quote

Rachel- “Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.”  by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman and Shayna Rivas.

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3- Interview- Alan Gotlieb:

  1. Peruta
    1. 2AA doesn’t apply to civilians
    2. No right to bear arms in public
  2. JPFO
  3. GRPC- record reservations.
  4. Illinois Lawsuit about non-resident permits

 

4- Gene Hoffman-

9th ignored the constitution and our arguments.  They ignored the historical record and used overturned rulings in their arguments.

Rational basis labeled as strict scrutiny.

Open carry, but there is no open carry.  The court dodged the fundamental issue.

 

“..that the protection of the Second Amendment does not extend to the carrying of concealed firearms in public by members of the general public..”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/436408/peruta-loss-ninth-circuit-second-amendment-advocates

 

4A- Shayna Lopez Rivas–  Welcome back, Shayna.  You are a student at Florida State University- Tallahassee.  Last week you told me about a man who used to work for the college of social work.  This university employee threatened to use shoot his his co-workers.  This employee literally created a “hit list”.  Now this troubled man has been re-hired by FSU in a different college.  At the time the threats were made, the university police said they did not have any actionable charges.

 

FSU refuses to protect us and claims sovereign immunity after we’re victimized on campus…but then goes ahead and re-hires a disturbed man who threatened to kill university faculty and staff members?

 

“You don’t need a gun b/c we’ll protect you.  BUT, we will create a dangerous situation and if it goes bad, we’ll claim NO responsibility for it.”  This, my friends, is why we NEED campus carry.

 

I want this on record. If something happens to me while I’m at work, someone make this University bleed. Don’t settle, money is no matter, it’s the principle behind it all. The school wants to play games with my life, with our lives.  Let’s make sure they go to trial and make sure to expose this administration for what it is.

 

Rob- What does your local sheriff say?

 

5- DGUs

Rachel – Don’t Bring Nunchucks to a Gunfight

“I told him he’s an idiot. I pointed my gun at him. He kept making progress toward me, swinging his nunchucks and that’s when I shot him.” Those are the words of man who defended his wife from an attack by a violent ex-husband.

A couple were relaxing on their Indiana back patio after celebrating their tenth anniversary when a car pulled up. Her ex had blatantly violated a restraining order and a No-Trespassing sign. He got out swinging the deadly nunchucks. “My thoughts were, ‘He’s going to try and beat me up or kill me with these nunchucks, then go take it out on my wife’,” said the husband. However, the man stood firm in defense of his family. “I reached for my gun. He gets out of his car in a rage. You could see it in his eyes.”

 

As the ex ran toward him swinging the nunchucks, the husband opened fire.  The ex was hit six times and is now hospitalized in critical condition.  

The wife described the shooting as “bittersweet.” “I give all my love and appreciation to my husband. He did a phenomenal job and he’d do it again for his family. That’s the kind of man he is.Unfortunately it came to this. No, I do not wish death upon nobody. I don’t want him to pass away. But, he is in the situation he’s in because he put himself there.”

Police say because he was acting in self-defense the husband is not facing criminal charges at this time.

 

Paul –  Another win for POGO. If the man had not been carrying while at home after a celebration, the crazy ex could easily have inflicted severe injuries or worse on the couple.

John –

Gary –

Paul – buying limes in Britain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063954/Asda-tell-chef-You-buy-lime–classed-weapon.html

 

Rob- A pharmacy owner in Levittown, Pennsylvania was prepared.  He had a security camera system installed.  More important was that the store owner was alert and aware at 10 in the morning.  The pharmacist was processing paperwork on a quiet Friday when he saw a man wearing a halloween mask get out from the passenger side door of a minivan.  The driver remained in the car with the engine running.  The masked man also carried a shotgun.

 

The thief entered the store and turned toward the pharmacy counter.  The store owner shouted for the thief to stop.  The thief advanced and jumped over the pharmacy counter with his shotgun.  The pharmacist fired several shots and struck the armed robber.  The robber collapsed on the floor.  Police arrested the waiting accomplice.  There were no other customers or staff in the store at that time.

 

The robber had a bundle of zip ties in his pocket.  The robber was prepared.. And so was the store owner.  The store owner had worked previously for a major pharmacy chain in a bad neighborhood.  There he had to be unarmed due to company policy.  He was determined to be armed when he opened his own business.

 

Paul- That video system paid for itself. We had a story a few weeks ago about a dash cam that may have saved the day

Rob- This pharmacy owners had more time than most victims.  Even then, there was no time to get a gun from a safe.  He had seconds to respond with the tools on his body.  He wore a gun and saved his life.

 

Gary- California Marijuana Dispensary Robbers Shot

In a story that could only happen in California – well, also in Colorado, Oregon, etc., etc. – two men attempted to rob a Medical Marijuana Dispensary – and got a chronic dose of lead for their troubles.

 

Two masked men, wearing body armor and carrying what the proudly ignorant LA media described as “assault rifles” <kaff> tried their luck at a legal marijuana dispensary. According to the store owner, “They were there to kill us.” He’d seen them breaking down the store’s door on surveillance cameras. Forewarned, the owner was able to use a handgun to stop the attack, putting both men into the hospital in critical condition. The pair is not known to have fired any shots, and no one else was injured in the attack.

Video shows the owner walking around outside his business, directing the cleanup and the patching of the many windows with gunshot holes. A street littered with an armored vest, bloody clothing and used medical supplies was also shown. The owner, who could be described as a “hard dude”, was not arrested, and has not been charged with a crime, although the investigation is on-going.


Rachel- The video system again made a difference. Awareness is half the battle.

John – These businesses do so much cash business that they are the new targets just like the old targets of pawn shops and liquor stores.

Gary-

Rob- The video kept him out of jail because the police saw that it was clearly self-defense.

John- Death in a Sleepy Little Burg

Two young men unfortunately made the mistake of their lives when they allegedly invaded a home and then threatened the resident. Incidents of this type are a rarity in the sleepy little Springport Township in Jackson County, Michigan. Police say the two 18-year-olds were involved in a Breaking and Entering when some sort of altercation occurred with the resident outside the home. Both men were shot and killed and found lying close by in the yard. The investigation is continuing, awaiting the autopsy reports and results from the Michigan State Police Crime Lab.

 

The two were no strangers to the police. They had accumulated a host of charges in their few years, ranging from marijuana possession to weapons offenses. As could be expected, one of the teens was on probation after receiving a suspended sentence for larceny, the other was out after an arrest last month for the same offense. The two criminals may also be responsible for a rash of property crimes in the neighborhood. At this time, charges are not likely against the homeowner.  

Deadly crime can occur anywhere — even in “safe” locations.
Stay armed, stay vigilant, stay capable.  

Rob- Amen

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I noticed that several anti-rights California politicians were under investigation just as they were passing anti-gun bills.  I wrote an article called “Are All Anti Gun Politicians Corrupt  The answer is that too many of them are corrupt, and they’ve been caught.  I posted several articles this week at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland, and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

Paul

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

Since we’ve already discussed California, I will only point out that gun rights activists are punching back twice as hard against Gavin Newsom’s ammo background check initiative. I did a post like I do every year on D-Day. A child born on D-Day 1944 would now be 72 years old and hopefully retired. If it was a boy, he might have served in Vietnam as a young lieutenant. If it was a girl, she’d might have been my 3rd grade teacher. My father was a veteran of WW2 as were the fathers of many of my classmates. My point is that even though a lifetime has passed since D-Day we should never forget the awesome sacrifice of those 18, 19, and 20 year olds on that cold day in June 1944.

 

John-  That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman, and Shayna Lopez-Rivas for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 452 – Amanda Suffecool and Cheryl Todd

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Amanda Suffecool and Cheryl Todd Pt 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Amanda Suffecool and Cheryl Todd Pt 2

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, June 25th, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Amanda Suffecool and Cheryl
Todd about the upcoming Amm-Con 2nd Amendment media workshop.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about how state governments are legislating against you and killing your kids Second Amendment rights.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormack, and one of our DGUs is from Tumwater, Washington.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and Michael Bloomberg says he’ll be spending $80 million to elect anti-gun Democrats .. so climb aboard

Belle: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 452 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about politics and guns on his Lock and Load Radio program. I recorded another episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories. And I made reservations to take my second year of FASTER training. I’ll interview with Craig DeLuz tomorrow morning.

 

John – Not much to report in gun news other than I’ve been talking extensively with the Haywood Co Sheriff’s Department and ATF. Huh? I had a call from a former neighbor while we were recording 2 weeks ago. He had noticed two guys around my old house which I still had stuff stored in which included some older firearms. To make a long story short, I had a break-in and had a number of guns stolen. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a safe there. Fortunately, I had the serial numbers on virtually all of them and 4 have since been recovered. One thief has been arrested and is facing felony charges.

 

Gary

 

Belle – Shot an IDPA match on Saturday, one of my last chances to play for the summer. Getting ready for Chuck Taylor’s Advanced Tactical Handgun next weekend and IDPA Bootcamp the week after that.

Paul/Susan made reservations myself!

 

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2- News

 

POLITE SOCIETY NEWS JUNE 25th 2018

 

Paul – STATE GOVERNMENTS ARE LEGISLATING AGAINST YOU, TO KILL YOUR CHILDREN”S 2A RIGHTS

 

Listeners, we’re not going to stop saying “They ARE coming for your guns”, but did you know that they are also coming for the guns of future generations, too?

 

Legislation in place in anti-gun states such as California and New Jersey does just that. Instead of banning certain firearms, they give the owners the option to register them, and then keep them. In California, it’s rifles with the so-called “Bullet Button” work-around that are in the spotlight, while in New Jersey, it’s firearms that use a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds but unable to be modified to 10.

 

In both states they say.. “It’s ok, you can keep them, but you need to register them.”

 

So, “why is this a problem?”, you might think. Well of course, there’s the very real possibility that a future legislature may revoke that and then use the registration to confiscate these firearms. However, there’s a more insidious plan in play here. In both States, it’s impossible to pass these registered firearms to your heirs, so when you pass away, the firearms become the property of the State.

 

This process has been called “Generational Confiscation” by George Lee, a San Francisco Firearms Lawyer, who said “Once a firearm is registered, it can’t be transferred, handed down, or held in a trust,” adding, “once you die, it simply must be surrendered rendered inoperable, or taken out of State. It’s simply long-term confiscation.”

 

Listeners, please pay attention to what is happening at your State level. The antis play a long game. Call, and email your Federal representatives to push for legislation that will supercede these local regulations.

 

SOURCES:

http://www.guns.com/2018/06/21/california-officials-warn-only-days-left-to-register-all-bullet-button-assault-weapons/

Rob- This is like the handgun registry in California. More and more guns become illegal each year.

John – Unfortunately the failure of gun control at the national level has made the gun control lobby realize that they could have more impact at the state level.

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John – MICHAEL BLOOMBERG ANNOUNCES EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS FOR GUN-CONTROL CANDIDATES

 

This week, Gun Control enthusiast Michael Bloomberg announced that he was making $80M available to “Support Democrats and their bid to take over the House of Representatives”, in the coming Mid-Term Elections.

 

He stated, “Republicans have done little to reach across the aisle and craft bipartisan solutions. They have refused to prevent the abuse of power, and to preserve the rule of law. Consequently, I’m going to support Democrats in their efforts to win control of the House.”

 

Listeners, when did he not?  In 2014, he gave $50M to challenge the NRA on gun safety. It is his money that bankrolls the major and the minor gun control initiatives, from Brady and EveryTown, thru Giffords to the current David Hogg and Co bus tour.

 

In the past, we have seen Bloomberg-funded candidates lose at the polls but we can’t be complacent. Every election cycle they increase their local infrastructure. What can we do when there is no-one stepping up with that degree of financial support? Call and email your local and Federal representatives. Donate to SAF, NRA and your local Association. But most importantly, vote.

 

SOURCES

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/22/bloomberg-donating-80-million-congressional-gun-control-candidates/

 

https://www.mikebloomberg.com/news/statement-mike-bloomberg-2018-midterm-elections/

 

https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/15/us/bloomberg-gun-safety-initiative/index.html

 

Paul – Done little to reach across the aisle? Like Obamacare?

 

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Rob- MEANWHILE, IN THE CZECH REPUBLIC…..

 

A political leader in the central European country Czech Republic has drawn a line in the sand against recent more aggressive European Union anti-gun rules. A new EU “Directive” to member states tightens gun control under the guise of counter-terrorism. However, the Czech Republic has relatively liberal gun rights, low levels of crime and low levels of terrorism. Failing to obey the Directive would subject the country to EU sanctions.

 

Milos Zeman, the Czech President, has called for a “European 2nd Amendment” for protection of individuals, their homes and the Nation, and in particular, for defense against Terrorism.

 

He said that Europeans “..should have the courage to invest in our own guns.” Speaking at the Council of Europe recently, he said,  “The level of international crime and terrorism is growing. What can we do? We can invest in the police, invest in the army, and have the courage to invest in our own guns.” He continued, “My wife has a pistol, but now I am guarded by her and not only by bodyguards.

 

He has launched a petition to that urges the Czech Government to approve an amendment to the Czech Constitution that would enshrine the right to legal possession of weapons for “..defense and internal and external security of our state.” The Petition, and others across Europe, is gathering hundreds of thousands of signatures, but governments generally are using the Directive to impose sweeping changes, such as the banning of semi-automatic rifles.

 

SOURCES

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/06/22/czechs-eu-crackdown-gun-owners-free-countries-dont-disarm-citizens/

 

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/08/grassroots-movement-stands-eu-move-ban-hunting-firearms-brussels-attack/

 

https://firearms-united.com/news/

 

John – I find it interesting that the formerly Communist countries of the Warsaw Bloc care more about freedom, individual rights, and gun rights than the supposedly free countries of Western Europe.

 

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Belle- AND FINALLY, NJ GOVERNOR MURPHY MOVES TO PUSH FIREARMS OWNERSHIP FURTHER OUT OF THE REACH OF THE POOR.

 

Hot on the the heels of signing six new anti-gun laws, including reduced magazine capacity, banning already banned ammunition, two red-flag laws, a ban on private sales, and a ban on concealed carry, NJ Governor Murphy has requested huge increases in firearms-related fees as part of his upcoming budget.

 

Listeners, you have probably understand that those who may most need firearms for defense of themselves and their love ones, are the poorer members of our communities. Governor Murphy’s plans will make it more difficult for the unemployed and the single moms to legally acquire the firearms they may need. This is particularly heartless when it comes so close after a gang-violence inner city atrocity in the State capital of Trenton, where 20 people were shot.

 

Governor Murphy wants to increase the price of the NJ “Firearms Purchaser ID Card” (think Illinois FOID card) from $5 to $100, a 20-fold increase. He wants to increase the cost of applying for a pistol  purchase permit from $2 to $50, and the cost of a handgun carry permit from $50 to $400 (which is ironic, given that he just signed a law that makes it impossible for anyone other than the favored few and retired LEOs to get one)

 

One really has to ask how these proposals will make anyone in the Garden State any safer.

 

SOURCES

http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/22/nj-governor-tax-increase-firearms/

 

https://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2018/06/murphy_wants_to_make_it_more_expensive_to_buy.html

 

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/06/new-jersey-democrat-reinstituting-racist-practices-to-discourage-gun-ownership/#axzz5JFwk4tKB

 

John – Banning already banned ammo? Is NJ like Animal House with its Double Secret Probation?

 

Paul – Never forget Carol Bown

Rob- Where is the US Human Rights commission that should look at the disparate impact of these laws on minorities and the poor.

John – What really galls me about Murphy is that he blamed guns on the Trenton shooting when it was gang-related and the shooter who was killed had been let out prison this year under new regulations from the Murphy administration.

 

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Paul – Gun Quotes

There is nothing in all the world greater than freedom. It is worth paying for; it is worth going to jail for. I would rather be a free pauper than a rich slave. I would rather die in abject poverty with my convictions than live in inordinate riches with the lack of self respect.  Martin Luther King, Jr.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Amanda Suffecool and Cheryl Todd.

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5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

John – This will be different from our usual DGUs because this one is personal. It involved me.

 

I had been told that there was a probable break-in at the house I formerly lived in but still owned. I wasn’t able to check it out until the next day. When I got there about noon, the door was closed but I heard noises coming from the back of the house. At first I thought it was a bird or wild animal. As I listened closer, it was just too loud for a bird.

 

I returned to my car, retrieved my pistol from the console where I keep it while driving, and returned. I still thought it might have been a wild animal until I saw a flashlight beam down the hallway and then someone appeared. I drew my pistol and told them to get out. The two thieves were very apologetic and said they didn’t know anyone lived here. Right. I was armed, they were not, no shots were fired, no one was hurt, and they quickly left on foot.  As an aside, they have arrived on foot and there was no car or truck in the driveway when I arrived.

 

In retrospect, there are things I could and should have done better. I let them get too close, I didn’t take their pictures, and I didn’t call 9-1-1 though I did report it to the police later that day. Comments?

 

Paul – You let them get too close, how close is too close?

Rob-

Gary –

 

Belle – Tumwater, Washington

A 44 year-old man went on a crime spree last week on Father’s Day but his day ended when two men stepped in to put a stop to it.

The spree started at 4:30 PM when he attempted a carjacking in Olympia.  He fled the scene and crashed his vehicle. He next encountered 16 year-old Danner Barton.

“There was a man, blond hair, standing in the middle of the road,” said Barton. “He was running at me, told me stop. He had a gun in his hand. He ended up taking one shot at my front windshield and it nicked my thumb.”

He then carjacked another vehicle and headed to the Tumwater Walmart.

Once he was in the Walmart, he fired into an ammunition case and stole ammunition.

He left the store and went the car of Ricky Fievez.  He shot Fievez in the neck and shoulder and ordered the man’s wife out of the car.  The shooting victim was airlifted to the hospital and is now paralyzed from the neck down.

As the man moved to carjack yet another car, two men moved in on him.  Jesse Zamora was prepared to shoot the man but before he could, the second man took the criminal down.  That man had asked the police not to be identified.

He later did come forward but asked for privacy.

According to George’s statement, he did not want media attention because he and his family “needed time to process the events, ensure one another’s well-being and just love each other.”

“I felt it important to give the authorities the time they needed to investigate an already chaotic scene of events and determine the truth as best as they are able without the hue of media fueled speculation and interpretation on the part of potential witnesses. The lives impacted by this event need to be considered, whether the gunshot victim and his family or the family and friends of the shooter whose lives will certainly be impacted by his choices that day.”

George was at the store to make an exchange.  While chatting with an employee while standing in the checkout line, he heard shots fired in the rear of the store.

Noting that he has a concealed pistol license and has had “significant training in the use of firearms and some of the legalities involved in a defensive encounter and active shooter training,” he found his family and exited the building.

The gunman went past him waving and pint his gun.  According to George, “My self and another citizen carrying a firearm (Zamora) followed carefully, unaware of what he would do or where he would do it.

After shooting Fievez, the suspect headed in the direction that George thought his family had gone.  He left cover and moved to intercept. When the criminal started carjacking, George moved to have a safe shot and fired to stop the crime spree.  The gunman exited the vehicle and was incapacitated and unable to respond to commands to drop the gun and show his hands.

George directed Zamora to remain with the gunman while he grabbed his first aid bag from this car and went to assist Fierez.  George, it turns out, is an EMT and responded as his duty and training instructed.

http://libertyparkpress.com/armed-wa-citizen-who-stopped-walmart-attack-releases-statement/

Paul –
Rob- A pastor

Gary-

Paul – Medical care

Paul – Orange, Texas

We have stated many times, “Don’t take a knife to a gun fight.”  Someone should have told the 55 year-old hoodlum not to take a toy gun to a robbery.

He went to a convenience store brandishing the toy and demanding money. It was about 2 o’clock in the morning. The 39 year-old clerk working that night had his personal handgun with him.  He used that weapon to defend himself.

Police responding to the scene found the would be robber a short distance from the store, quickly assuming room temperature.

The clerk told police that he feared for his life and police stated that it appeared to be self-defense.

https://www.12newsnow.com/article/news/crime/convenience-store-clerk-fatally-shoots-suspect-wielding-toy-gun-during-robbery-in-orange/502-563139185

 


Gary – London, Kentucky

The homeowner was on his way to work one morning recently when he noticed someone looking suspicious.  He had only made it down the block before gut instinct kicked him and forced him to turn around.

The criminal justice major, Anderson Ruth, knows his rights as a gun owner and as a property owner.  That made his home the wrong one to try to break into.

He returned to his house and the man was trying to get the front door open.  He knew something wasn’t right when he saw him wearing a backpack, bandanna and carrying a baseball bat.

Ruth came into his driveway and immediately grabbed his sidearm.  He kept it out of view at first. When the would be intruder started to take off, Ruth drew his weapon and pointed it at him and ordered him to the ground.  He continued to question the man while dialing 911.

Adding to the stress of the situation, according to Ruth, was that it was pouring rain while the whole thing went down.

The man was charged with criminal trespassing and public intoxication.

http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Police-Man-armed-with-baseball-bat-shows-up-at-Laurel-Co-home-485295371.html

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Our 1st email with the subject line “Laws

 

Polite society,

I love your podcast.  I look forward to when the come out.  Listening to them ALMOST makes mowing in the summer heat enjoyable.

On episode 450 you discussed various changes to make parents more responsible for the actions of their children.  I think the premise is good. I am a firm believer that society as a whole needs to take more personal responsibility.  The first thought I had is that so many people are not aware of all the laws that are currently on the books. Those of us in the 2A community that are informed barely can keep up with our home state laws.  For the gun owner that is not actively keeping up with the laws. This will be one more thing that they may never hear about. Or only hear about from the media who spins it for their agenda.
There has to be a better way to have people take personal responsibility for themselves and their children.  One more law will likely not even make it into the minds of most of the population of the nation.

Neal

 

Paul –

 

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Our next email had the subject line “Ep 450 Great show – things we all can do”

 

I listened to episode 450 (John Correia)

And enjoyed it.  In the mail segment there was a letter regarding the subjective matter involving which pro self defense organizations to contribute to.  I have membership with SAF, GOA, and NRA. I contribute to SAF, GOA on a monthly basis via my Bill pay service.

 

If the gun ownership statistics are correct and 42% of Americans own guns they could make a difference in self defense rights by just a small monthly contribution.  Using simple math let’s assume 250 million adult citizens. 105 million is 42%. If just 10% would contribute $5 / month to one or more gun rights organizations then that would equate to $52.5 million monthly and $630 million annually.  So if we could forgo one fast food lunch or overpriced gourmet coffee each month we could make a difference.

 

Another thing people can do is guerrilla marketing for pro self defense rights.  Buy yard signs and where legal place them in high traffic sites with snappy slogans:

 

Rapists demand gun control

Gun Control: Racist Roots

Criminals don’t obey gun laws… duh!

Robbers demand gun control

Why was Carol Brown, NJ murdered?

Castle Rock vs Gonzalez

Jesus & Guns Save Lives

Warren vs D.C.

How do you stay safe for 9 min.

 until police arrive?

Home invaders demand gun control

Politicians have armed security

 why shouldn’t YOU?

Stalkers demand gun control

Criminals & Politicians demand gun  

 control

 

I don’t like the fear campaign, but it will pique the interest of the uninvolved as well as those who make irrational decisions based on their feelings.

 

I would suggest DGU news stats, but that’s a lot to put on signs, but you can put leaflets in laundromats and places where young students check for jobs.

 

I do think the most effective strategy has already been mentioned and that is to invite a friend who is anti gun to the range.

 

Also tone down the prying the gun from the cold dead fingers and similar rhetoric.  Those who are anti self defense are trying to make us monsters. We need to show them that we aren’t that we are the same as them we just place a high priority on self defense with a gun.

 

I do write my representatives when I can, but most are populist and only care about the next election.

 

For those Anti self defense proponents who ask what would Jesus do?

Luke 22:36 – He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

 

From my understanding the sword in the Greek translation was for defensive swords.  Jesus doesn’t want you to be a murderer or a martyr at least that’s my interpretation.  And apostles carried swords and knives which were the modern weapon in their age.

 

Thanks for the wonderful podcast content you all provide.

 

Charles

 

“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality”

-Ayn Rand

 

John – Show up! Use Delaware as an example.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Yes, John, it makes a difference if you show up, and somtimes the RINOs don’t like that at all.

 

Rob- You are who you hire..and fire. The Republican Party of Texas terminated their director of operations, Rachel Malone. Ms Malone was a grassroots activist before she was hired by the Republican Party of Texas. She was a passionate second-amendment supporter.

 

Malone wasn’t released because she was ineffective or abrasive. She was fired because democracy and grassroots activism is inconvenient for elected officials.

 

If I were placing bets, I’d bet on Malone remaining an activist as well. Contact her at-

http://www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com/

 

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2018/06/23/republican-party-of-texas-fires-pro-gun-activist/

 

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

Nothing special as my time has been occupied with some other things so to speak.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Cheryl Amanda) for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 451 – James Kaleda, Jenna Meek, and Marc MacYoung

  Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/451.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment: 

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest James Kaleda

4- Interview Segment 2: Guests Jenna Meek and Marc MacYoung Pt 1

5- Interview Segment 3: Guests Marc MAcYoung and Jenna Meek Pt 2

6- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:

 

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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, June 11th, 2018  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Marc Macyoung and Jenna Meek about their new book, “What you don’t can kill you.”

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Broward County Sheriff’s captain removed from office.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and tonight we’ll talk with James Kaleda about his new podcast, Out of Order.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a DGU involving a teacher… so climb aboard

Belle: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 451 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I went to a two day training course at Tactical Response in Camden, Tennessee. This is a beginning pistol course and the emphasis was on mindset. It is about as good as a two day course can be.

 

Paul – Do you feel that even when you take a new course even as a beginner course you still learn things?

 

John – Since the Second Amendment isn’t limited to firearms, I’ve been investigating buying a crossbow. Models and prices are all over the place. At the top end you can pay over $2,500!  I’ve also been at work on designing my Form 1 .22 LR suppressor. I picked up a shop press from Harbor Freight yesterday to use to form the freeze plugs as baffles.

 

Gary-

 

Tracy- The MAG-180 starts 13 days from today! This class hasn’t been taught in 11 years, and I’ll be traveling to Wisconsin to attend it. I have to shoot Mas’ quad-speed qualification, which I’ll shoot with my STI Trojan. Our own Rachel Malone will be at the 180 working as a range officer. Our own Dr. John Edeen will be taking the class as well. Stay tuned to future podcast episodes for my AAR of the 180. Everyone wish me luck!

 

Belle- Been teaching and competing pretty much every weekend since I was on last. Just took my last registration for our MAG40 at FAS today, its officially full. I am officially in the busiest time of the year and it’s a non stop ride thru September.

 

Paul/Susan : Quit my job – Ren Fair

 

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Rob- BROWARD COUNTY SHERIFF CAPTAIN REMOVED FROM OFFICE

 

In the four months since seventeen people were murdered at a high school in Parkland, Florida, a number of truly disturbing revelations have come to light.

 

Consider the perpetrator. It has since been shown that he was known as disturbed, and a disciplinary problem for the school and local enforcement officials. The local Sheriff’s department lied about the extent of the problem, citing 23 calls when records show at least 45. These calls started when the murderer was only 9 years old. He had been reported twice to the FBI. However, a progressive discipline policy had prevented legal action being taken, preserving the school’s stellar discipline record.

 

Then there was the School Resource officer, who chose to stay outside the school instead of entering to confront the murderer, and who subsequently resigned amidst an outcry for his prosecution.

 

Then there was the role of the person in charge of the Sheriff response on that day. It was Captain Jan Jordan who ordered her officers to form a perimeter around the school, rather than enter. The deputy chief of the local fire-rescue squad asked six times… SIX TIMES… for permission to enter the school and each time Captain Jordan said “no”. She even continued to decline permission after the murderer had been arrested. The fire-rescue commander cited Jordan as saying that she “..would have to check..” before allowing the squats inside. Captain Jordan had no training in incident command, or tactical command.

 

Now, after dithering a decision that cost the lives of students and staff, Captain Jordan has been removed. Mayor Payton said that this is one of many coming changes. Broward County Commissioner Michael Udine added, “When you have what you had on February 14th, there’s got to be accountability.”

 

Listeners, let’s hope that this extends to the school principal, the schools superintendent and the Broward County Sheriff, because we would hate anyone to think that this hapless Captain, who was out of her depth, is being scapegoated. WE’d also like to see your emails about whether the rescue squad commander should have asked for permission in the first place, considering his two suads each contained armed police officers

 

SOURCES

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/27/us/parkland-shooter-cruz-sheriff-calls-invs/index.html

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/05/16/how-in-the-hell-is-he-getting-this-deputy-vilified-after-parkland-killings-gets-100000-annual-pension/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.cfd34cd95dae

 

https://www.local10.com/news/parkland-school-shooting/parkland-commander-for-bso-removed-from-post-at-citys-request

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203015289.html

 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/06/daniel-zimmerman/report-broward-county-sheriff-capt-kept-emts-out-of-stoneman-douglas-high-after-shooting/

 

John – There is a story that broke this weekend that a former Secret Service Agent was asked to check security of the school 2 months ago. He did and made many recommendations. Nothing was done.

Gary-

John – Sheriff Israel – “Lions don’t care about the opinions of sheep”

 

Rob- Ask your school board when they had an audit and if they acted on the recommendations.

 

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Belle-RECYCLING MONEY FROM GUN BUYBACKS TO SEND KIDS TO GUN SCHOOL

 

The Illinois gun rights group “Guns Save Lives” has once again exploited the actions of anti-gunners to promote safe and responsible gun handling.

 

Once again, this shrewd and focused group of dedicated 2nd Amendment activists has used money it has garnered from turning in junk guns to Chicago gun buybacks, to send young people to an NRA summer shooting camp. Previous events have been in 2007 and 2012.

 

Six years ago, Guns Save Lives gave their first black eye to Mayor Emmanuel by harvesting $6,000 from the buyback and using it to send kids to the NRA summer camp. As a consequence, the city ended its buyback program and the leader of Guns Save Lives was banned from ever taking part in once again.

 

But, just a few days ago, Guns Save Lives was back with a vengeance to take advantage of a $100 per gun, no questions asked event. Turning in guns that were old, broken, rusty and  looking like they “..dated from the Prohibition era..”. The group were not able to sellback all 60 guns they offered but did “..very well..”

Listeners – what do you think of this idea? Can you run it in your area?

 

SOURCES

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2018/06/john-boch/guns-save-life-uses-chicago-gun-buyback-to-send-kids-to-nra-gun-camp-again/

 

http://www.gunssavelife.com

 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/06/daniel-zimmerman/guns-save-life-uses-chicago-buyback-send-kids-nra-gun-camp/

 

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/a-best-buy-in-chicagoland-selling-s-crap-metal-at-a-gun-turn-in.291523/

 

Gary-

http://www.gunssavelife.com/

http://www.gunssavelife.com/yes-guns-save-life-trades-junk-cash-chicagos-saturday-gun-buyback/

 

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John – COMING TO A SAFE SPACE NEAR YOU… THE PARKLAND KIDS’ SUMMER TOUR

 

Listeners.. do the parents of these whiny little babies know that they have escaped their cots and cribs? Is there some definition of child abuse that encompasses allowing your children to be exploited for political ends? We’d like to know what you think because we are bemused by the coming “Parkland Survivors’ Summer Tour”.

 

Yes, listeners you too can enjoy Mr Angry Foul-Mouth, aka David Hogg, as he “Bangs” his pouty little fist on the podium to “Demand Common Sense” gun control, and shakes his triangular little bobble-head against the “Child Murdering NRA members”.

 

You can watch in AMAZEMENT as Selfie-Hopping Emma Gonzalez tells people that politicians who don’t support this are “.. looking like they are going against kids.”

 

You’ll collapse in AWE as they ride a bus to 75 stops over 60 days, attempting to register young people to vote and indoctrinate them into hatred of the Constitution of these United States,  and to voluntarily giving up their Natural Rights, all the while quietly backed by the Democratic party and leftist activists.

 

You’ll remember with a tear in your eye, how script-reading Delany Tarr, haltingly quoted her handling Democrat move-makers with “When you give us that inch, that bump-stock ban, we will take a mile.”

 

And here’s some things you won’t hear these little pediatric puppets pronouncing purposefully on:

* the leftist discipline policies that made the murders possible

* the inept leadership that allowed their classmates to bleed to death while help was ready

* the history of racism and bigotry embraced and pushed by the Democratic party

* that their politicians are bought and paid for not by the NRA, but more likely by Big Pharma

 

Listeners, make no mistake. This is one of the most shrewd and well-developed pieces of gun bam ideology ever developed by the left. They ARE coming for our guns.

 

SOURCES

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/06/04/parkland-student-gun-control-activists-launch-summer-tour/

 

https://www.axios.com/march-for-our-lives-parkland-students-msd-summer-tour-e6223292-7d96-4fc8-ad8d-217c43719abb.html

 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/26/parkland-survivor-give-us-inch-bump-stock-ban-will-take-mile/

 

https://marchforourlives.com/road-to-change/

 

Rob- This is a media event.

John- I’ve seen some Democratic congressman saying they need to hire Parkland students as interns this summer.

 

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Paul – SO CALLED RED-FLAG LAWS SPREAD LIKE FLEAS

 

Listeners.. one of the most insidious new tactics of the antigunners is the so-called “Red Flag” or “Extreme Protection” laws being signed onto the books all over the country.

 

Most recently, New Jersey joined the tide. Massachusetts Senate passed a bill. New York Governor Cuomo called to widen the list of people who can rain down gun confiscation terror on otherwise law abiding citizens.

 

So, what are these bills and laws about?

 

At their core, they allow a range of people… teachers, neighbors, family members, marriage counselors, doctors, psychologists and so on…  to call the police if they believe that someone who owns firearms is a risk to themselves or others. The police are then obliged to visit and temporarily confiscate the firearms. The burden of proof (and expense) then falls on the gun owner to prove that they are not, in fact, a risk.

 

Many of the laws, such as that about to be signed in New Jersey explicitly involve “ex parte” decisions – that is, the target of the action (eg, you, Listener) is unaware that the accusation has been brought until the confiscation is enacted. Many (also including New Jersey) do not allow for action against those who would use this law mischevosly or maliciously, by launching a baseless attack on, say, a neighbor, for petty or vengeful reasons.

 

Many of these bills and laws even allow “current and former romantic partners” to launch the attacks – the one in MA allows suspension of gun rights for up to a year. Law enforcement agencies are not required to return seized guns after the order expires.

 

Listeners, these bills and laws should scare you. A lot. They empower people you don’t know to hold a hearing in your absence that may strip you of your 2nd Amendment rights forever.

 

This concept is a HUGE strategic win for the antigunners. Imagine your ex-partner decides to do the dirty on you. Imagine your kid’s teacher is anti-gun and is worried about little John or Jane. Imagine your neighbor gets annoyed when you run your lawnmower. The possibilities are endless. Listeners, they ARE coming for your guns.

 

SOURCES

http://www.guns.com/2018/06/08/new-jersey-lawmakers-speed-6-gun-control-bills-to-a-pleased-gov-murphy/

 

http://www.guns.com/2018/06/08/massachusetts-senate-passes-red-flag-gun-seizure-bill/

 

http://www.guns.com/2018/06/07/cuomo-enable-broad-gun-seizures-up-firearm-purchase-age-in-new-york-video/

 

Rob- Over 90% of these orders are overturned on their first court date. Lawfare-

Please image what a domestic abuser can do to disarm their intended victim.

Gary-

John- If the person is so dangerous, why are they loose on the street?

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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3- Interview 1 James Kalida – Out of Order with James Kalida

 

First of all can you explain how you came up with the name for your podcast?

 

I was honored to be one of the 1st guests on your show, who else have you had on?

 

What do you see as the main focus for your show?

 

4 – Interview 2 Jenna Meek and Marc MacYoung

 

Book – What You Don’t Know Can Kill You: How Most Self Defense Training Will Put You into Prison or the Ground

 

  1. Quoting right from the introduction to your book…

Stripped of their veneers, martial arts and firearms training teach you how to harm another person. But society and the legal system have some definite ‘opinions’ about you doing that. There’s enough instruction out there on the physical parts of self-defense so we’re not going to spend much time on it. (There’s a lot of instruction on “how” so we’ll spend time on “when” and “how much.”) We’re going to invest more time on the other topics that aren’t as fun and sexy. These topics deal with how society and the cops will react to your defending yourself. Honestly, has your previous training covered them? Or does the dominant attitude contend that “it will obviously be self-defense, so let’s focus on the physical part”? No matter how much force you’re being taught to use.  

 

    2) Again from the chapter titled Courts in your book

  1. Ours is not a justice system. Ours is a legal system. It’s about what the laws say and how they are interpreted. This includes how your case applies to the law, not the other way around. Think of the law as a test that your case will be run through to see if it passes. A very brutal test in that once the machine is put into gear, it must run its course.

 

    3) Let’s talk a little bit about Tyler.

 

Rob- 5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Rob- Worchester, Massachusetts

Around 8:40 PM on a Saturday night, paramedics were driving by No Name Market when they say a 26-year-old man lying on the sidewalk.  The man had been shot three times.

The man had entered the store with a large knife.  He walked up behind one of two female customers and put his arm around her neck and held the knife to her neck.  Before he demanded any money or made any threats, the store clerk pulled his gun. The hostage fell to the ground and the clerk shot the suspect three times.

The man dropped the knife and ran from the store with the clerk in pursuit who ordered to him to the ground before running back to check on customers.

The thugs injuries were not life-threatening.  The clerks gun and license to carry were confiscated while the investigation is ongoing.

The other man was charged with 3 assault related charges.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/05/27/worcester-clerk-shoots-robber/

Police: Knife-Wielding Man Shot By Store Clerk While Attacking Customer

Boston.cbslocal.com

 

Tracy – Ackerman Mississippi

On a recent afternoon, a mother had left to go to work, taking her daughter with her, her troubled brother-in-law decided to carry through on threats made against the family.  The man was armed with a hatchet when he attempted to break into his brother’s home.

Unfortunately for him, his 16-year-old nephew was home and was armed with a .270 caliber rifle.

When the man made a sudden and aggressive move toward the young man, he fired a single shot, striking his uncle in the chest.  When police arrived, they found the man on the porch, unresponsive and later he died.

The family has videos of the uncle walking around their yard with two machetes, threatening the father and the entire family.

The boy was traumatized and has not been charged.

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article212246469.html

 

Paul- I want to give kudos to the 16 year old young man.. Actually 16 year old man by his actions to arm himself and stop the threat. Also bad guy brought a hatchet to a rifle fight. John, I consider you a LOT more of an expert on rifle cartridges than I am, what is the .270 performance like and what is it generally used for?

 

John – the muzzle energy was approximately 2700 ft pounds of energy at that range.

 

https://www.fieldandstream.com/answers/guns/rifles/ammunition/270-win-vs-30-06-are-they-different

 

Gary-Oceana, West Virginia

A high school teacher would often wonder what would happen if she came face to face with an intruder.  It is a common practice to visualize your reaction to various self-defense scenarios.

On a recent Saturday, her wonderings became real.

Her husband wasn’t expected home for another hour when she heard noises in the backyard.   The family dog was also acting strangely.

She thought the sounds she was hearing was her husband coming home but when she looked out the window and spotted a man breaking into her car.  She confronted the man and called 911. The man refused to leave so she told the dispatcher that she was going to get her gun. They tried to dissuade her from doing that but she persisted.

As soon as she stepped on the porch with her gun, the intruder decided that it was probably best to not be there anymore.  When she looked in her car, she discovered that the man had dropped crystal meth in her passenger seat.

The would-be thief was still being sought.

http://www.wvnstv.com/local-news/wyoming-county/oceana-woman-scares-off-intruder-with-gun/1225144111

 

John – Gary, Indiana

A 32-year-old man and woman were attempting to break into a home on the eastside of Gary recently.  The homeowner heard banging at his door at 1 AM. He retrieved his gun because he thought someone was trying to break in.

When the door broke open, the 29-year-old homeowner fired once.

The want-to-be home intruders fled.  Within 10 minutes of the first call of a shot fired, the police were dispatched to a local hospital due to a report of a patient with a gunshot wound.

The female intruder was arrested and an arrest warrant was issued for the male intruder.

https://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/hobart-man-shot-while-attempting-to-break-into-home-in/article_1f4876ba-76ce-5f43-9fb1-53124521fcdc.html

 

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Paul – Gun Quotes- If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

Samuel Adams

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2018/05/30/best-practice-to-save-our-students-from-mass-murderers-part-2/

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2018/06/01/another-state-allows-armed-school-staff-sort-of/

 

We want to see things as black and white. Unfortunately, when it comes to allowing school staff to carry a firearm on campus, those laws come in shades of gray. Can a school board decide to have armed volunteer school staff on campus? Are the state requirements so restrictive that the school board can’t find a sufficient number of volunteers?

 

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

We are in a culture war with those who would suppress our god-given right to self-defense. The latest salvo was fired by YouTube which arbitrarily terminated Brownells’ YouTube page this weekend. There was no warning and no notice. Brownells is about as mainstream and Midwestern as you can get. After the outcry the page was restored sometime on Sunday with no explanation as to why it was deleted or why they reversed themselves. Big social media companies are not our friend and we need to remember that. While there are alternatives, they don’t have the same ubiquity as the YouTubes, the Facebooks, and the Twitters.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Facebook listeners group

Rob- Youtube is owned by google.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (James Kalida, Jenna Meek, and Marc MacYoung) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 450 – John Correia and Lloyd Bailey

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/450.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2 News Segment 1: 

3 – News Segment 2:

4- Interview Segment 1: Guest – John Correia pt1

5- Interview Segment 2: Guest – John Corriea pt2

6 – Interview Segment 3: Guest Lloyd Bailey pt 1

7 – Interview segment 4: Guest Lloyd Bailey pt 2

8 – DGU Segment:

9- Email and Show Close:

 

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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, June 4, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with John Correia about his video series, Active Self Protection.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Lloyd Bailey about his podcast “Armed Lutheran Radio”.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we had not only one armed responder, but two armed responders when a restaurant was attacked in Oklahoma…so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 450 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Bill Frady on his Lock and Load Radio program. I was on Dan and Cheryl Todd’s Gun Freedom Radio and Charles Heller’s radio program America Armed and Free to talk about mass murderers in schools. I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  Another thousand rounds came in for a training course I’m taking next week.

Paul – they need to re-name Bill Fredy’s show Lock and Load with Bill Fredy and Rob Morse

John- Given that the gun prohibitionists wanted people to wear orange this past weekend, I made sure to wear a black tee with Molon Labe on it. Actually, I didn’t see anyone wearing orange in protest but I probably just wasn’t near any TV cameras. Other than that we had a quiet week. If anyone has come across a Savage 110 bolt action rifle in .30-06 cheap, let me know at john@politicsandguns.com. It can have a crummy stock and a shot out barrel. I want the action and bolt for a project. Did I mention I’m looking for CHEAP?

 

Rachel- Did you see Rachel’s video done by Sarah Cade? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqCWBlbbk5g

 

Gary

Lloyd

Paul/Susan

 

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Rob=IDAHO PARENTS RESPOND TO SCHOOL LOCKDOWN BY COMING TO THE SCHOOL ARMED

 

It was probably only a matter of time before parents, frustrated at what they see as inaction on behalf of school boards, and inept and sometimes cowardly law enforcement behaviour, would decide that they were the best people to to protect their children.

 

This happened in Idaho recently. A school lockdown was called on the belief that an armed student was loose in the school and when the news got out, parents began arriving at the school armed with their handguns and rifles, believing that their children were in danger. One parent bearing a drawn pistol heatedly confronted a State Trooper. The Trooper persuaded the man to remove himself from school grounds (the man later apologized).

 

Janitorial staff prevented other armed parents from entering the school grounds by blocking roads with school vehicles

 

Bannock County Sheriff Lorin Neilsen, whose men deployed to the school said that armed members of the public who respond in this way put themselves in danger of being mistaken as the active shooter and shot by officers. He also added that those parents who did “self-deploy” could have been arrested (although they were not).

 

In the end, the incident turned out to have involved a petty verbal dispute between teenagers and no firearms were involved.

 

Listeners. This is a troubling but somehow understandable development. When we lose confidence in those we appoint to protect our children we wish to act, but at the same time, doing so can confuse and escalate a situation. It seems that Sheriff Neilsen’s officers acted with great discretion and restraint  in unexpected and difficult circumstances.

 

SOURCES

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46327925&nid=1419&title=sheriff-you-cant-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands-after-parents-respond-to-school-lockdown-armed-with-rifles

 

https://idahostatejournal.com/news/local/armed-parents-responding-to-local-high-school-following-apparent-threat/article_8ab9c485-d069-5ecc-88a4-2b11135309a4.html

 

Paul – I can almost understand the parents rushing to the school but this is Idaho not Florida

Rob- Your children have to go to school, or you’ll be arrested. The police then said they have NO LEGAL DUTY to protect those children.

John – Prof William Forstchen wrote a book called Day of Wrath. It involved ISIS terrorist attacking schools.

Rob-

Gary?

LLoyd?

 

INSERTING RANT HERE

 

Rob- What do people do when their children have mental health problems? I know parents who ran out of money, time and ideas. Can we create a fund to help parents with troubled children.

Gary-

Rob-

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John- SEVEN HUNDRED WOMEN TRAINED TO OPERATE A 9mm HANDGUN SAFELY, IN ONE DAY

 

Listeners, you may not have heard of “Legally Armed in Detroit”. It is a gun rights advocacy group that for the last seven years has been offering free range and firearms safety training to women in the metro-Detroit area.

 

The event introduces women to firearms in a safe and supportive environment. It teaches basic firearms safety, good shooting stance, elements of marksmanship, and includes live fire. This year, they trained a record seven hundred women in one day.

 

The program was conceived by Rick Ector, a Detroit area gun rights advocate. He recounts how he was inspired to think about how women might be made safer when he saw a TV news story about a woman who had been murdered and then her body was dumped in an open lot. He came up with the idea of offering a free shooting lesson for women. He said that it was important for women because they are “easier targets” for predators.

 

“The world is getting so bad I have to defend myself” said one participant. “It’s rough out there,” added another.

 

Training took place at the Top Gun shooting range in Taylor, Michigan. The women were brought into groups and taken through the safety briefing and other classroom elements. Then each was paired one-on-one with a firearms instructor for their range session. There, they loaded 20 rounds and fired them on standard range targets. The close supervision allowed individual feedback to be given to every woman.

 

There were no injuries or accidents.

 

Trainers were certified by NRA, USCCA, Michigan Gun Owners, Michigan Open Carry. the National African American Gun Association, and Legally Armed in Detroit. One instructor said that learning to shoot was “..a skill set that could potentially keep them and their families safe.”

 

The first year, 50 women came. Then 100, then more and last year 600, and now this year a new record 700 women registered to take advantage of the program, and launch themselves into the world of firearms use, and self-protection.

 

Listeners, this is a great example of how one person, with the motivation to serve his or her community, can make a huge difference.

 

SOURCES

https://www.ammoland.com/2018/06/detroit-firearm-instructors-train-700-women-how-to-safely-operate-9mm-firearms/#axzz5HMq3boHo

 

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2017/05/21/700-women-signed-up-annual-event-taylor-gun-range/335140001/

 

Rob- I love what Rick is doing. He is bringing new women into our gun culture. He’s bringing the gun culture together to train these women.

Paul – I have the greatest respect for Rick and will be trying to get him on the show again in the near future. This is EXACTLY what we advocate for gun people to do. Bring new people to our ranks

Gary-

John – Rick also gave out 700 gun locks. When I spoke with him he was having trouble getting NSSF to send the gun locks but I’m assuming he solved that issue.

 

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Lloyd- YES, THEY *ARE* COMING FOR YOUR GUNS… PART 42.. Or is it 43… or 143… or the number of burgers sold at Micky-Dee’s..

 

Listeners, we have heard all sorts of weasel words and trite little homilies about how Democrats aren’t “coming for your guns” and just want “common sense” laws. This of course is despite Diane Feinstein’s famous comment about “Mr and MRs America, turn them all in”.

 

Well, once again in California, home of the Bullet Button, additional antigun legislation advanced. Senator Anthony Portantino shepherded a Bill through to law that raises the minimum age for purchase of any firearm to 21, and limits all firearm sales to 1 per month for any individual.

 

He said, “If DC won’t act, CALIFORNIA will”. He praised the Brady Campaign. The bill passed the CA Senate 23 to 10 and now heads to the CA Assembly. CA Senate Republican Jim Neilsen on the other hand said that the senate “..would be better off focusing on criminal gangs…. who he argues would be able to get their hands on guns regardless of age restrictions.

 

It should be noted that a recent study from the Rockerfeller Institute of Government showed that “..the average age of mass shooters is 33.4 years..”, and cite “..intense and often unbalanced media coverage..” leading to “..disproportional attitudes about the events themselves..” being held by the public

 

The antigunners are wily. They use the media, and selective reporting to pressure the legislators we vote into office to vote against their promises to us, and our interests.

 

Listeners, don’t believe when you hear that the gun controllers and gun banners aren’t winning. They are.

 

Rob- Mark Walters had an article where he talked about the double standard of young people who want to vote, but not to protect those they love.

Gary-

John – Anything coming out of the Rockefeller IOG is suspect. They are allied with States United for Gun Safety.

Lloyd

John – These kids are the gun control equivalent of Mao’s Red Guard.

 

SOURCES

http://www.breitbart.com/california/2018/05/30/ca-senate-votes-raise-minimum-age-long-guns-limit-number-guns-residents-can-buy/

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/05/29/california-senate-oks-bill-raising-age-to-buy-rifles-shotguns-from-18-to-21.html

 

http://rockinst.org/issue-area/can-mass-shootings-be-stopped/

 

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Gary – Gun Quotes– Nobody has to put up with aggression and surrender his right of self-defense for fear of hurting somebody else, guilty or innocent. When someone comes at you with a gun, if you have one ounce of self-esteem, you will answer him by force.. Ayn Rand 1972

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests (John Correa and Lloyd Bailey).

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5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

John – Memphis, Tennessee

A father and daughter were sharing a moment together with a quick stop at a local McDonalds.  As the two left, their lives changed forever.

What started with being asked for a lighter, progressed to the father being choked out from behind and hit in the face.  At the same time, the 21-year-old father was holding his 1-year-old daughter in his arm.

When the four men attacked him, he was able to “throw” her in the car and get his gun from under the seat of the car.  All this while being choked and pistol whipped.

He was able to shoot one of the attackers in each leg before being disarmed by an attacker.  The newly armed assailant pointed this gun at his head. He pulled the trigger. As Bob Mayne says, “the loudest sound is a bang when you are expecting none and a click when you are expecting a bang.”  In this case, it was a click. The gun jammed.

The assailants quickly drove off but stopped at a fire station two miles away where they were taken into custody.

 

Paul



https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/father-attacked-outside-memphis-restaurant-while-holding-1-year-old-daughter/750618418


Paul – Nashville, Tennessee

Three armed teens are on the run after a bump and rob attempt was interrupted.

The suspects were following a female victim when they bumped her car as she pulled into an alley near the ownhome where her son resides.  The victim continued on to the parking area behind her son’s home and began honking her horn.

Her son came out armed and one of the three thugs allegedly fired the first shot.  The son fired three times and the suspects fled the scene. No injuries were reported.

The three were also linked to other crimes, a robbery of a pedestrian and another bump-and-rob.  When the victim exited his vehicle, a gunman got out of the rear seat and yelled to “get in his car”.  The intended victim jumped back in and drove off at a high rate of speed and was pulled over by an officer where he reported the attempted robbery.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/38256033/search-underway-for-suspects-after-robbery-shootout-in-bellevue-neighborhood


Gary – Oklahoma City , Oklahoma

What started out as a time for a meal and socializing ended with three people wounded and the gunman dead.  The unnamed shooter walked into Louie’s Bar and Grill and opened fire. While the man was busy shooting up the restaurant, two men, Juan Carlos Nazario and Bryan Whittle were retrieving their firearms from their cars.  The two were working independently.

The two confronted the shooter and immediately terminated the dangerous situation.

Both men stated that they were not trying to be heroic but rather were just doing what needed to be done to stop the threat.

All patrons injured during the shooting are in good condition and expected to survive.

The FBI reviewed its databases and found it had received tips at two different times about the shooters YouTube channel. In both cases the agency determined that the content was First Amendment protected speech.

http://freebeacon.com/issues/two-heroic-bystanders-shoot-back-oklahoma-attacker-ending-random-act-violence/

 

John – Shannon Watts is criticizing this because these weren’t “average” armed citizens due to their either National Guard or LEO backgrounds.

Paul – I wonder if OK allows carry in bars? No   http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/oklahoma.pdf

Gary-

 

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Hey guys here’s an email for you since you been begging for one.
So I belong to the NRA as well as Second Amendment Foundation but keep on getting solicitations from other organizations such as GOAL, CCKBA etc limited amount of funds not really able to give something to everybody what would be the top 3 or maybe 4 organizations that you think it’s best to belong to to help  keep our gun rights

Also it’s a little too late for this year I had a voicemail that disappeared into the abyss from your podcast if you would recommend who might be good people to vote for for NRA board members when it comes around next year I catch good names from various podcast but since I usually don’t listen to them while I’m sitting at a desk with a writing stick in my hand I can’t always keep them available when it’s time to vote love for you to make some recommendations in the winter or before the voting takes place.

Thanks for all you DO,

Mel from the Midwest

Rob- Jeff Knox does a great review every year of the nra candidates. Crime Prevention Research Center,

 

Gary-

John – NRA, SAF, and the most active state level group in your state. It may not necessarily be the NRA affiliated group. And of course the Firearms Policy Coalition.

 

Paul – – SAF – Your local (State) organization  NRA – FPC – Really anyone BUT NAGR

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Dear Paul and Company,

It’s been a while since you stopped doing the news section of your podcast and I must say that I for one really miss it.  Your audience realizes that you’re not able to get breaking news to us as quickly as some other sources but that’s not why we listen to your podcast. We can get the bare-bones information from many places but we can only get your analysis of the news and how it affects other defensive gun owners from your podcast. The fact that the information may be a few days or even weeks old doesn’t lessen the value of the input given by you and your cohorts. Information does not equal knowledge. It takes time, details and a lifetime of experience for information to be transformed into knowledge. That’s the value that you and the other participants of your podcast provide. I sincerely hope that you will bring back the newscast segment soon.

Keep up the good work. And by the way, even if we don’t email you that doesn’t mean that we’re not listening!

Be safe,

Roger at Sheepdog Firearm Training LLC

 

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Hi Everyone,
I heard you needed emails so I decided to write in. I can’t remember if you have talked about Project Appleseed before but I recently took one of their two day classes in Ohio. The weather didn’t cooperate but the shoot bosses did a good job and I learned a lot. They focus on using a sling to find your natural point of aim. We spent a lot of time standing, sitting and in the prone position. Overall it was a good experience and I managed to get my rifleman patch which I was pretty proud of. For the price (mine was $60), I don’t think you can beat the training and the history lessons were fun too. Take care and keep up the good work.
David

 

Rob- Congratulations on getting your patch on the first try.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about the media’s role in building mass murderers, and what we should do when they come to our schools and churches. That article is called, “Best Practice to save our students from Mass Murderers.”

You might remember that teens used to commit suicide so their name would appear in the news. These were called “Celebrity Suicides.” We learned a little, and stopped mentioning the name of these suicides. Now, we mention their name if they take ten of their fellow students with them. We need to learn a little more, and stop that. Read the articles.

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

I put a post up saying we in North Carolina don’t want to be California. Anti-gun Democrats in the North Carolina General Assembly are floating a number of gun control bills that have no chance of passage due to the Republican super-majority. The one that really is ridiculous would mandate that NC adopt California’s Handgun Roster as a “safety measure”. That would mean newer Glocks and any of the other newer handguns would be banned from sale or transfer in North Carolina. Give me a break! However, there is a good pro-school safety bill, HB 1039 being introduced that would create a volunteer school guardian program including teachers and that would have an active shooter training component.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (LLoyd Bailey and John Corriea) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Lloyd: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 448 – Matthew Disher

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Matthew Disher of the American Guns Podcast Pt 1

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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, May 21st, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Matthew Disher about his new show on the Self Defense Radio Network, the American Guns Podcast.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the most recent school shooting, this one in Santa Fe. Texas

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs even a Hi-Point will get the job done… so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John: and hang on!

Paul:  episode 448 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked politics and guns on his Lock and Load Radio program. I was on Eye on the Target radio with Amanda Suffecool and Bob Cambell. I also recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 

John – I haven’t been deer hunting for something like 40 years. However, my wife inherited a piece of property that looks promising. I spent parts of yesterday putting out a mineral lick and setting up trail cams. I didn’t realize how much the brush had grown up since it was clear cut and replanted. I’ve also been researching brush cutting and bush hogs! Other than that, nothing gun related.

 

I do have a request for our listeners. The states are where the critical battles for our gun rights are taking place now. Thus, I am attempting to assemble a database of state-level gun rights groups. I know our listeners come from around the United States. If you belong to a gun rights group in your state, please send me an email at john@politicsandguns.com with the state, the name of the group, and contact information for that group.

 

Gary

 

Paul/Susan Disarmament dance – in CA today and hopefully out tomorrow. Susan not feeling well again, hopefully, will be on the next show.

 

Got some range time. Practiced long range shooting for the ASID class

 

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Patches – We still have PSP patches. From here on out, the proceeds will be going to the Second Amendment Foundation to support the fight in the courts for our 2A rights. Price is $10 for one or $18 for two. You can send Paypal to me at john@politicsandguns.com or an email to that address if you want to send a check.

Gary-

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Another deadly school shooting

 

John – Santa Fe, Texas was the scene of the latest massacre in one of our public schools. On Friday, May 18th a 17-year-old student stole a sawed-off shotgun and a revolver from his father and brought it to school and began to open fire at 7:40 am as the school day was beginning.  From the time the first shot was fired until the suspect was taken into custody seems to have been about 30 minutes.

 

10 are dead, 2 teachers and 8 students.

 

Rob- What do Dana Loesch, Grant Stinchfield, and David Hogg have in common? The first two are NRA commentators and the third is the spokes-child for Mom’s demand gun confiscation. All three said that the media created these mass murders at our schools. I ran the numbers. The public relations coverage that we give these murderers is worth billions of dollars. The news media creates these monsters..and our kids are paying the price.

 

Paul- I’ll take the low hanging fruit here

 

John – It is not only a media event. The reporting of all the minutiae is nothing more than a how-to guide for wannabe school killers.

 

Gun Quotes

“There’s no question that weapons in the hands of the public have prevented acts of terror or stopped them.”

– Israeli Police Inspector General Shlomo Aharonisky

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Matthew Disher.

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Gary – Decatur, Tennessee
On Mother’s Day morning at 2:15 AM, a man broke into a couple’s home.  The intruder got a knife from the kitchen and attacked the couple. One member of the couple was able to shoot the intruder during a struggle and the thug was pronounced dead at the scene.

The two people injured in the attack were treated for non-life threatening injuries.  None of the people had been identified and no charges have been filed.

http://www.waaytv.com/content/news/Homeowner-kills-intruder-in-Trinity-482489901.html


Paul –Lake Worth, Florida
A Lake Worth homeowner was awoken at 12:15 AM and spotted an intruder in the second-floor hallway of his home.  The homeowner then shot the intruder in order to defend himself, his wife and their daughter.

When deputies arrived, the homeowner was chasing the criminal behind his home.  They arrested the intruder who stated that it was all a mistake and that he had gone into the wrong house.

The man was treated for a gunshot wound to his right arm then booked into the Palm Beach County Jail.  He was out on bond from a March arrest on drug-related charges.

https://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/lake-worth/homeowner-shoots-burglary-suspect-inside-lake-worth-house

 

John – Fort Worth, Texas
Firearms people tend to look down their collective noses at the Hi-Point pistols.  When a Fort Worth man went to meet a seller of an iPhone for his daughter, he took his Hi-Point .380 with him.
While he and his family were at an Easter party, he thought he had found the right deal.  He and his wife packed up their three kids in their SUV and drove to an apartment complex where they were to meet the seller.
He told reports, “I should have gone alone.”
They arrived around 8 PM and the seller was waiting for them.
The father got out of the SUV and was immediately attacked by the seller and 3 other men.  His wife and kids could only sit and watch the beating take place. The victim was able to make his way back to the vehicle and got his “cheap little Hi-Point .380” out of the door.
He fired 5-7 shots at his attackers, wounding 2 and sending the third fleeing. His wife grabbed a screwdriver and attacked one as well.

 

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Gary??Joelton, Tennessee
The 58-year-old gas station clerk was outside to take a break when three armed men approached him.
The clerk was another POGO practitioner.  One of the men pointed a gun at him so he shot the suspect in the stomach.  The other two ditched their friend.
According to police, the clerk then ran inside and grabbed towels and tried to help the man who had just tried to rob him.  He called 911 and then performed CPR.
The suspect was treated and discharged.  He is in police custody and charged with three felony counts.  His associates where still being searched for and may have been responsible for several recent robberies.
http://www.wsmv.com/story/38167501/joelton-gas-station-clerk-fights-back-shoots-robbery-suspect

 

Paul -???Multiple locations
A recent report from the FBI detailed how during 2016 – 2017, 8 active shooter incidents were stopped by armed citizens who were not police officers.

Of the 8 incidents, in two, the citizen exchanged fire with the shooters.  This is how a properly trained citizen can be an effective deterrent to mass shootings.  In others, the citizen held the shooters at gunpoint until police arrived.

The most high profile case was the shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas.

This came on the heels of a study of mass shootings dating from 2003 to 2015 which showed that 10 percent were stopped by good guys with guns and nearly 20 percent were stopped by citizens and not the police.

In many cases, just the presentation of the gun to the shooter caused the shooter to take their own life.

https://sonsoflibertymedia.com/as-texas-shooter-killed-unarmed-citizens-fbi-admits-armed-citizens-stopped-4-recent-mass-shootings/


Fayetteville, North Carolina
When the two 10-year-old masked robbers entered the BP station shortly before 10 PM, the clerk was prepared.  The clerk had his own firearm and fired toward the robbers, striking one of them. The pair fled the scene.

A little while later, a 911 dispatcher received a call from someone who said their son had been shot.  His mother reported that he had been shot in the back and had been with his friend. When the dispatcher asked who had shot him, he says that he didn’t remember anything.

The mother and the gunshot robber were not very forthcoming with information.  The investigation revealed that the man was the suspect who had been shot by the clerk.

Both robbers have been charged with attempted robbery with a dangerous weapon and felony conspiracy to commit robbery with a dangerous weapon.

http://www.fayobserver.com/news/20180426/911-call-from-gas-station-robbery-shooting

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2018/05/21/are-school-shootings-a-mountain-or-a-molehill/

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2018/05/19/stop-paying-mass-murderers-to-kill-our-kids/

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot WordPress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

Someone asked on Facebook should he join the NRA or GOA. I said his state-level group because that is where the gun control action is taking place right now. As an example, the Boulder City Council passed an assault weapons ban and raised the age for purchase of long arms on Tuesday, May 15th unanimously even though Colorado has state preemption. The Mountain States Legal Foundation filed suit in Federal court a day later challenging this action as a violation of the US and Colorado constitutions on a variety of factors including violating the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Matthew Disher of the American Guns Podcast) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, Grant, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 447 – Charlie Cook and Genie Jennings

 

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- Interview Segment 1: Guest Charlie Cook

3- Interview Segment 2: Guest Genie Jennings

4- DGU Segment 1:

5- DGU Segment 2

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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on 14th of May, 2018. I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Charlie Cook from Riding Shotgun with Charlie.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a woman in SC who escaped a kidnapping by turning the kidnapper’s gun on him

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and tonight we’ll talk with Genie Jennings about labels.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about an armed assailant on a bicycle… so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 447 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about Politics and Guns on his Lock and Load Radio program. I went to the MAG 20 classroom, a silencer shoot, NRA convention where I got to see Rachel Malone, John Richardson, Gary Daugherty and also our friends Lloyd Bailey of Armed Lutheran Radio, and Amanda Suffecool and Bob Campbell of Eye on the Target Radio.

At the NRA I saw a Huffington Post reporter be asked to leave a seminar..where the NRA welcomed me. Some journalists are more honest than others. I also took another day of medical training.

 

Paul – Rob was that your 1st MAG 20?

 

John-  I actually met Melissa Jeltsen, that HuffPo reporter, and have had an email conversation with her regarding my opposition to the term “gun violence”. I spent most of the weekend at the Asheville Gun Show working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth. Gun shows shouldn’t be scheduled on Mother’s Day/graduation weekend! Attendance was way down. I did pick up some .44 Special ammo and a custom made Nessmuk knife.

 

Gary

 

Tracy – I just picked up (literally this afternoon) a new Smith & Wesson M&P Shield .380 EZ, for my students who don’t have much hand and upper body strength. Look for my review on the gun in an upcoming episode. Next week, I have a lesson with Karl Rehn to work on my quad speed qualification for the upcoming MAG-180 next month in Wisconsin.

 

Belle

Paul/Susan

 

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Gun Quotes

“Hillary and Senator Murphy may claim that they care about the poor, but poor people in the highest-crime areas are the most likely to be priced out of owning guns for protection.”

John R. Lott Jr., The War on Guns: Arming Yourself Against Gun Control Lies

 

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3- Interview 1 with Charlie Cook of Riding Shotgun with Charlie.

https://www.facebook.com/RidingShotgunWithCharlie/

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq52xMnT0OWhvABvFlXvDXw

http://ridingshotgunwithcharlie.libsyn.com/website

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/riding-shotgun-with-charlie/id1275691565?mt=2

https://player.fm/series/riding-shotgun-with-charlie

 

http://womengunowners.org/events/ccw-fashion-show/

https://www.norco.club/event/massachusetts-women-gun-owners-mwgo-concealed-carry-fashion-show/

 

4- Interview 2

Genie Jennings.

http://www.womenandguns.com/?page_id=4505

The vast majority of anti-rights gun prohibitionists are liberals and Democrats. What do you want us to call them?

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

DGUs

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Paul – SOURCE:

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/38167592/coroner-upstate-woman-kidnapped-by-ex-boyfriend-shoots-him-to-death-while-pumping-gas

 

A woman survived a kidnapping attempt by turning her captor’s gun on him. The Anderson County Sheriff’s Department received a call to respond to a fatal shooting at a gas station in Starr, South Carolina. Rodney Nixon had broken into the home of his ex-girlfriend, assaulted a man who was there, and then kidnapped his ex. However, Nixon’s car broke down and he forced a neighbor to take him and the kidnap victim in the neighbor’s car, at gunpoint. The neighbor’s car ran low on gas and they pulled into a gas station, where Nixon proceeded to refill the car. His ex-girlfriend saw her chance and got the gun away from Nixon, and then shot him in the chest with it. The case is still under investigation and no charges have yet been filed. Coroner Greg Shore said “This would have been a very bad outcome for everybody if she had not shot him.”

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SOURCE:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/crime/gpd-man-shot-dead-in-gainesville-self-defense-shooting

 

Gary- Would-be robber Arkeem Bennett chose the wrong victim when he produced a handgun to stop and threaten a Florida CCW holder. While returning home from the movies with a family member, a legal CCW holder in Gainesville Florida was confronted by Bennett, who attempted to rob him at gunpoint while his accomplice waited in a car. Unfortunately for Bennet, his intended victim drew and fired, striking Bennett several times. The CCW holder called 911 and Police attended the scene. The police later said that Bennett was later found dead, and that there was no prior connection between Bennett and his intended victim. They are keeping the identity of the CCW holder secret, and it is “likely” that he will not be charged.

 

Paul –

Rob-

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SOURCE:

http://cw39.com/2018/04/30/would-be-robber-picks-on-the-wrong-woman/

 

John- A 23-year old woman used her legal firearm to defend herself from a broad daylight street robbery, in downtown Raleigh, North Carolina. Witness Bradley Thomas, who called 911, said “To hear that a woman defended herself and shot an assailant, I mean, good for her. I’m glad she’s okay”.  Police identified Jonathan Tyrone Peace as the suspect. He is expected to survive the single gunshot to the chest delivered by his intended victim, and to face charges.

 

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SOURCE:

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/05/08/reserve-constable-tricks-robber-shoots/

 

Tracy – This story is all about luck and not about textbook examples. A Louisiana Reserve Constable was working on a house he was building when he was approached by an armed robber on a bicycle. The robber forced the Constable to accompany him to an ATM and get him cash. However, the robber was apparently unsatisfied with the amount and again took the Constable to his home, where he allowed the Constable to enter his home to retrieve a second ATM card. Becoming impatient, the robber followed the Constable into the home, where he was greeted with gunfire. The robber dropped his gun after receiving a single shot, and the Constable stopped firing. Police Chief Carl Dunn said that the victim “..showed quick thinking and restraint..”

 

Paul –

 

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Rob  – Bountiful, Utah

When two men tried to rob a Bountiful pawn shop, one of them would not leave the store alive.

The pair were wanted in connection with a string of robberies in Oklahoma and Texas.

They entered the shop, one armed with a gun and the other was armed with a hammer.  When the gunman turned to close the door, the clerk ran to a store room, drew his concealed weapon and backed himself into a corner.

When the man followed him into the room, the clerk fired.

The two fought on the ground prior to the criminal succumbing to his wounds.  The clerk also was injured, a cut to the head and a black eye.

The clerk believed the pair had been in the store the previous day and had tried to conceal their identities and left when others had noticed them.

The second robber ran from the store after his accomplice was shot.  The took off in a white SUV and was last seen wearing a blue face mask, gray hooded shirt and jeans.

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46314236&nid=148&title=1-dead-after-shooting-at-pawn-shop-in-bountiful-police-say

 

Paul- If I were going to rob ANY place gun stores and pawn shops would be the lowest place on my list of places to rob


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John – Highland Falls, North Carolina

Home invasions happen in all areas.  At this Highland Falls area home, the break-in started with the garage door and dragging food out of a deep freeze.

It then progressed into the residential part of the house.

When the homeowner or a caretaker came face to face with the intruder, it ended in gunfire.  The man had called state officials and had been told he was within legal rights if his house was being broken into.

The intruder lay dead in the home.  The intruder was a mother black bear who had several cubs, reports said up to 4.  Two of them have been captured and the search continues for more. They have been taken to a rehabilitator until they are fully weened and then transferred to a holding facility where they will only associate with other bears for the next 9 months.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article210927329.html

 

Rob- N VA, and NJ.

Gary-

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Gary – Fresno, California
Jacob Brudett’s wife was on her way home when she encountered a dark vehicle on the side of the road.  She attempted to go around it but they pulled out and blocked her way. Her husband’s mother then got out of the car and threatened “I’m going to kill you.”
In January, the couple has been granted guardianship of his 10-year-old sister.  This has caused problems.
About the same time as the confrontation between the wife and her mother-in-law, deputies were called out to the couple’s home when Burdett’s older sister claimed he had pushed her and took her phone.  Burdett countered her claims when he told deputies that she tried to fight him and threatened “to burn down the house and kill them all.”
A few day’s later, Jacob was recovering at home from outpatient surgery when his mother and her boyfriend arrived and started fighting with him.  Both of them were see on top of Jacob, beating him. The boyfriend grabbed a rifle and Burdett grabbed another gun and fired.
Court records who the boyfriend, who died from the gunshot wounds, had a long history of felony assault, sex crimes, battery and drugs and had spent several years in prison and drug rehab.
Burdett’s mug shot showed signs of the physical injuries he sustained in the fight.  He was booked for homicide and attempted homicide but the investigation was continuing.


http://abc30.com/man-accused-of-killing-his-mothers-boyfriend-claims-shooting-was-in-self-defense/3299131/

 

Paul – We train with guns all the time, when was the last time you had high performance driving training? SCCA has events all over the country where high performance driving is done in parking lots.

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- You are the Target in the Culture War

 

Politicians will take a mile of freedom once we gave them an inch of authority. These infringements go beyond business regulations. They go far beyond “concerns for public safety”. This is cultural harassment for political gain, and the reasons are straightforward. Politicians represent the small minority of the population that funded them into office. Politicians want to drive out any culture that threatens the voting blocks that keep them in office. For these politicians, it is only the business of money and votes, but for you, it feels personal. I listed several examples in the article, “You are the Target in the Culture War”.

 

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

A group of Catholic nuns think that forcing Ruger and other publicly traded gun companies to issue reports on what they are doing about “gun violence” and progress on so-called smart guns is a good idea. Unfortunately, they were able to convince enough institutional investors to back their move that this was shoved down Ruger’s throat. Ruger issued a statement saying they were obligated to issue a report but that they was it. They are not changing the products they make nor will stop supporting the Second Amendment and gun rights. I anticipate American Outdoor Brands or S&W will be next for this group.

 

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Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

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Episode 446 – Greg Hopkins and Yehuda Remer

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday, May 9th, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about an attempted carjacking in Florida that ended badly… for the carjacker.

Paul – We will also talk with Greg Hopkins and Yehuda Remer, so Climb aboard

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

John – I arrived home late Sunday from Dallas where I attended the NRA Annual Meeting. Unlike the SHOT Show, the Annual Meeting is more about people than product. I saw a lot of old friends who I’ve met over the years and I made some new ones. Liston Matthews – he has been on the show before – and I roomed together. On Saturday night, we attended Cinco de Bane-O or Michael Bane’s birthday party. I met more than one person there who was a listener of the show! Finally, I’d like to thank Gila and Marty Hayes of ACLDN for their kindness in letting me store my luggage in their booth on Sunday before I had to leave for the airport.

 

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From Donald J Trump, President:

In America, we trust the people to be wise and good. We trust them to take responsibility for themselves, their families, and their communities. And that is why in America, we have always trusted the people to bear arms.”

 

(from his NRA speech, 2018)

 

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SOURCE: http://concealednation.org/2018/05/concealed-carrier-shoots-and-kills-carjacker-in-orlando-parking-lot/

 

A Florida man used his concealed firearm to protect himself from a late-night car-jacker. Witnesses say that the CCW holder used his firearm after the attacker punched him in the face. The attack took place in a parking lot in Orlando. The victim was about to enter the premises when he was approached and attacked by the car-jacker. When police arrived, they found the attacker unresponsive at the scene. They have not disclosed whether the victim will face charges for defending himself.

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SOURCE:

https://www.fox13memphis.com/top-stories/woman-sees-husband-in-trouble-pulls-out-gun-on-would-be-robber/737802933

 

Memphis police are searching for a man who attempted an armed robbery in broad daylight outside their home, after a woman used her firearm to stop the incident. The victims reported that a man asked them if he could use their phone, and then asked for a ride, before pulling a gun on them. The woman observed the incident and came from her home with her handgun, firing a warning shot. The video shows all too well how confusing and spontaneous these situations can be. Police are using the family’s home surveillance video to identify the attacker.

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SOURCE:

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=46314236&nid=148&title=1-shot-at-pawn-shop-in-bountiful-police-say

 

When two men tried to rob his store Friday morning, a pawn shop clerk in Bountiful, Utah,  hid for a moment before shooting and killing one of the suspects who pointed a gun at him, authorities said. Bountiful Police reviewed the store’s video footage and then said that the clerk was “obviously defending himself”. When the two armed robbers entered the store, the clerk retreated to a small room, drawing his concealed firearm. When one of the attackers followed him there, the clerk used the firearm to defend himself. The attacker was still able to grapple with the clerk, before succumbing to the defensive gunshots.

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SOURCE:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5781116257001/?#sp=show-clips

 

When a home invasion took place at 4.30 in the morning, a 70-year grandmother Maxine Thompson used her late mother’s handgun to chase the intruder out of her home. Despite security lights and alarms, and shouted warnings, the invader broke a window and entered the home. It was then that the grandmother Thompson, who lives alone, opened fire. She said, “At first I thought I was dreaming, but the banging continues.. I yelled ‘get off my door’..’when I shot at him, he turned and ran, so I ran down the stairs after him and shot some more..I hope I sent him and the rest of them a lesson  ‘get the hell out of peoples’ houses’ “. The 43 year old intruder is in hospital. To quote The Freshmen from 1968: “Go granny, GO!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnW4-FehoDA

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San Antonio, Texas

A 33-year-old woman called 911 at 4:30 AM telling them that she had just shot a man in a room at a San Antonio Motel 6.

By the time officers arrived, he was gone.

She told them that her ex-boyfriend had recently gotten out of prison and had shown up earlier in the evening and caused a disturbance.

She had thought he had left, but when she opened the door to go do laundry, he suddenly forced his way in.

He pulled a knife and attempted to sexually assault her.  She responded by shooting him.

A few minutes later, another 911 call was received directing them to a nearby 7-Eleven.

They found the man suffering from two gunshot wounds in the back seat of a SUV.

They detailed and questioned the woman who had driven him to the store and meanwhile at the motel the woman who shot him was questioned.

It was too early to tell if her self-defense claim will hold up.

https://www.ksat.com/news/woman-tells-police-she-shot-ex-boyfriend-at-motel-6-in-self-defense


Limestone County, Texas

Laura Williams was awakened by the ringing of the doorbell.  Williams went to the door and answered it. The man at the door had a shovel and asked for a lady’s name to which she replied that he had the wrong address, there was no one there by that name.

He left but Williams felt uncomfortable.

She looked out her window and could see him standing at the opening to the woods with the shovel and looking back at her home.

She woke her daughter and rounded up the dogs and went to her bedroom.

As soon as she got the door shut, he was back, kicking in the front door and hitting it with the shovel.

Williams pulled her revolver out of the nightstand and confronted the man in the living room.  At the same time, her daughter was calling 911.

She took aim and told him, “if you take one more step I’ll kill you.”

He mumbled something then turned to leave.  As he walked through the door, he stopped and told her, “Well, all y’all need to know is y’all need to leave me the F alone.”

Deputies arrived 14 minutes later and found the man in a nearby trailer park.

http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Area-woman-tells-intruder-If-you-take-one-more-step-Ill-kill-you-481113901.html



Maple Valley, Washington

It was 8:30 PM when 2 cars pulled into the Maple Valley, Washington driveway.  The homeowner noticed them while checking on the animals he owns.

He walked up to them and asked if he could help them.  They said, “Well, I think we have the wrong house.” The homeowner replied, “OK. I could help you.  But I’m sorry, nothing personal, I’m gonna have to take some pictures of you guys.”

He pulled out his cellphone and did just that.  One of the guys took his hat off for the picture.  He also saw one holding a shotgun and cocking it getting ready to shoot.

He tells them, “Don’t do it.  Don’t be stupid.” And starts backing up.  He is also practicing POGO.

As the shotgun wielder opened fire, he ran with his face toward the gunman because he wanted to keep himself between them and his house where his kids were. He exchanged fire with them at the same time.

He credited the trees with saving his life and keeping him uninjured.

His wife called 911 as the cars sped off.

He provided the pictures he took to detectives.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/maple-valley-man-defends-property/740071393


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John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

I have some posts up and will have more from the NRA Annual Meeting. Look for these in the next few days. I would like to point out the NPR interview with Liston Matthews. Liston has been on the show before. He did a great job and refused to be suckered into the gotcha questions.

 

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Paul: be aware,

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Episode 445 – Steve Denney, Grant Gallagher, and Racheal’s Rest

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, April 23rd, 2018. I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Shelley Hill about Racheal’s Rest.

Belle: Hi i’m Belle McCormack and tonight we’ll talk about an armed citizen who stopped a criminal who attacked him with a box cutter.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and tonight we will talk with Steve Denney about handgun retention.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGUs we talk about two home invasions midday… so climb aboard

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Rob- I dry practiced, and I was rusty. Bill Frady and I talked about politics and guns on his Lock and Load Radio program. I recorded a few more episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

Who is going to the NRA? Tracy

 

Tracy – This past weekend I taught pistol skills and drills, overcoming challenges of everyday carry, and precision pistol with the lovely and talented Tiffany Johnson at the A Girl and A Gun National Conference. I had a great time, now if my voice would just return.

 

Belle – Spent my Saturday teaching my favorite class in the FAS curriculum, our Handgun Retention class, I’m the only female instructor certified to teach it, so I’m a little proud of that. Getting ready to hang out with Andy Brown next weekend during our Active Shooter Interdiction course.  —- There’s only 4 spots left in the PSP/ASIC on July 24-26, if no one else calls to sign up in the next few weeks, we will open it up to our local students, so call soon if you want in. 360-978-6100, M-F, 9-4 pacific time.

 

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PSP NEWS APRIL 23rd

 

Meanwhile Listeners, the post-Parkland assault on your Second Amendment rights continues…

 

One of the most interesting, and pernicious, tactics that is being revealed on the new assault is that pressure is being put on legitimate gun owners, and gun businesses, through banks and other companies. Most recently, Yeti Coolers dropped their sponsorship of the NRA. Bank of America and Citibank have decided to un-do their business relationships with firearms manufacturers. And when Wells Fargo bank refused to follow suit, the American Federation of Teachers removed their (considerable) resources.

hese techniques represent a new strategy on behalf of the anti-gunners. They simply circumvent the legal process and pressurize their friendly commercial institutions.They have even persuaded Dicks Sporting Goods to destroy their AR-style inventory.

 

And at local levels, they are attempting to shut down the First Amendment rights of gun owners, by pressuring venues to cancel 2A speakers, a technique the Left has uses successfully to prevent Right-leaning guests from speaking on University campuses

 

Listeners, we are in open war with the Left, who would disarm us. The question should be *Why* are they pressing to disarm us and *What* will come when they succeed. And make no mistake. They are winning. Bigly.

 

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Listeners, we all heard of the move by Deerfield Illinois to ban AR-style rifles, and empower their  Police Department to confiscate unsurrendered firearms, backing this up with a $1,000 per day fine.

 

Well, now an IL county is fighting back.

 

Effingham County in Illinois has officially declared itself a “Sanctuary County” for gun owners. The county board passed the Sanctuary County provision two weeks ago, by a margin of 8:1.

 

While admitting the action was largely symbolic, Effingham County State Attorney said that the action will not control decision-making by law enforcement. Nonetheless, that decision directs County employees to “not enforce any new State Law that would unconstitutionally restrict the Second Amendment.

 

Listeners, if Federal and State Law can be flouted by left-wing sympathizer states, cant we please be sympathetic to those who would have our backs?

 

SOURCES

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/20/illinois-county-declares-itself-a-sanctuary-county-for-gun-owners/

 

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/04/19/effingham-county-illinois-declares-itself-sanctuary-gun-owners

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CDC study confirms over 2 Million annual defensive gun uses… but then goes unpublished.

 

Listeners will recall the complaints (fake news) that the CDC was not allowed to study violence with guns. There was also renewed complaints when recently, the government declared that such work was now to be allowed.

 

What is interesting to ask, is what happened to the work that the CDC was doing on this topic all in the meantime. Well, a recently discovered study shows us.

 

Since the early 90s Florida State faculty member was quoting around two-million DGUs per year. This now appears to be confirmed by the previously missing CDC study. In a CDC study conducted over 1996 thru 1998, approximately 2.5 million DGUs per year are discussed. Florida State criminologist Gary Kleck said that the CDC report confirmed that people use handguns to defend themselves about three-and-a-half times as often as criminals use them.

 

Listeners, let’s think about reasons why CDC never released the report. Why not email us with them?

 

SOURCES

http://reason.com/blog/2018/04/20/cdc-provides-more-evidence-that-plenty-o

 

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/21/unpublished-cdc-study-confirms-2-million-annual-defensive-gun-uses/

 

Readers can download the analysis of the CDC findings using this link:

https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=920074004105118064114126001074122091062080050007069031088067005076078097105079082096024043056009062004037021064010121094069030011012038076037113014000088065067118030030022009068101024082123028071100019098122003100091100116066103115029099097123015027114&EXT=pdf

 

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Hollywood antigun stances backfire.

 

WE are now all-too familiar with Hollywood celebrities sounding off about “Gun Violence” and “Need for Gun Control” while simultaneously shooting their way into and out of trouble with handguns that seemlngly never miss, nor need reloading,

 

Well it seems that this effort may be having the opposite effect – instead of thinking that there should be fewer guns, the Hollywood Effect is increasing support for the Second Amendment.

 

In a recent poll of 898,  twice as many respondents indicated that they would be inclined to oppose the anti-gun Hollywood views as to support it. This view held across all aspects of American Society. 65 % supported “maintaining their constitutional right to bear arms”, whole only 25% who  opposed the 2nd Amendment. Th

 

These finding echoed another poll, where 60% said that the 2nd Amendment was “very” personally meaningful.

 

Listeners, let’s hope that the grass roots are not following the money spent by Bloomberg and associates, but it will still take everyone of us to vote in November.

 

SOURCES

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180316/disgust-with-hollywood-s-antigun-activism-unifies-americans-in-nationwide-poll

 

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20171222/survey-nra-and-the-right-to-bear-arms-strongly-associated-with-american-patriotism

 

https://zogbyanalytics.com/news/839-the-zogby-poll-trump-job-approval-at-48-50-disapprove-trump-job-approval-among-millennials-50-48-disapprove-a-majority-of-voters-want-to-support-2nd-amendment-when-hollywood-demands-gun-control-two-thirds-of-millennials-support-2nd-amendment-when-hollywood-opposes

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Paul- I have been through a handgun retention class and one of the major things that anti gun people say is “if you have a gun the criminal will just take it away and use it on you” my take is that if you have training that that just isn’t true, Your thoughts?

 

Belle- I have always considered our Retention class one of the most important classes we teach, second to the Trauma class, I find it difficult to explain to shooters how important classes like this are, because they want to be in those live fire classes. How do you stress the importance to your students who might be on the fence about taking a Retention class?

 

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INTRO: APRIL IS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH SO THE FOCUS WILL BE BASED ON HELPING CHILDREN!

 

Shelley is one of the people behind the Complete Combatant. She and her husband Brian reach firearms, unarmed defense and many other self defense techniques.  She is also the executive director for Racheal’s Rest.

 

Karen McDonald is the founder, president and head counselor of Racheal’s Rest

 

A few great questions to ask Karen  is:

*What is the purpose and goal of RR

*Why did you name it Racheal’s Rest

Belle -*What is your CHILDHOOD background and how does this help you while working w children?

Belle *How is RR different than other CHILDRENS programs that offer overnight retreats?

*Tell us a bit about your CHILDRENS counseling and PLAY THERAPY

 

Paul – is this family based or children only?

.Belle – What has this done for you on your healing journey?

Paul – It’s a little unusual for an organization like Racheal’s Rest to be closely involved with the firearms community Could you talk a little bit about the relationship you have with the complete combatant?

 

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Gaffney, South Carolina
Rob- I think this news report is wrong. The attacker had a shotgun as he entered. The defender used her handgun. VV

 

At 3:30 in the morning, Charles “Tiny” Alley started banging on the door of the home of Tim Anthony and his girlfriend.  Alley had bought a car from Anthony a few years ago and had made angry threats about it. He had decided it was time to make good on his threats.

As Anthony, with pistol in hand, cracked the door, Alley and another unidentified man forced their way into the home and started fighting with the homeowner.  The force of the entry left a hole in the wall. .

While the two men were fighting and the intruder threatening harm to other residents, the girlfriend retrieved a shotgun and shot the intruder in the head leaving him dead at the scene.  The accomplice quickly vacated the premises.

The homeowner told the press that “if it wasn’t for her doing what she did, I wouldn’t be standing here right now.”  With a nickname like “Tiny”, it can be assumed that there was a disparity of size between the two men.

http://www.wspa.com/news/gaffney-man-killed-in-alleged-home-invasion/1104343277

 

Paul-
Gary-

Rob-

 

Gary- Knightdale, North Carolina

20-year-old Tevin Horton walked into the N & A Food Mart armed with a revolver and demanded money from the clerk. The time was 10:40 PM.

The clerk and the criminal briefly struggled and the clerk was able to get away and ran to another area of the store.  The thug was close behind. But that was all the time that he needed to pull his own gun and fired several shots at Horton.

Horton decided to make his exit at this point.

Police brought in the tracking dogs to search for the wanted man in the area but soon heard of a gunshot victim about 2 miles away.

When they arrived, the supposed drive-by shooting victim had wounds on his lower back and buttocks.  Surveillance video and other evidence said otherwise. It put him at the scene of the attempted robbery.

He is now facing charges of armed robbery and assault with a deadly weapon.
Rob-

Paul – I am a little concerned about the bad guy getting shot in the back multi
http://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/wake-county-news/armed-robbery-suspect-shot-by-knightdale-store-clerk-police-say/1107467436


Paul- Walhalla, South Carolina

Once again, we are reminded that home invasions happen at all times of the day.

About 1:45 PM, Sheriff’s deputies received a 911 call about an intruder in a home.

When they went to investigate, they found a woman in the home who was armed and had confronted the intruder with her firearm in hand.  The 33-year-old male suspect exited the scene immediately.

Keri Reeves was in fear for her life and said, “This could have been a very different situation had I not been properly armed.”

“I’m one of those people that can go from zero to a hundred in 2.5 seconds and I’m not a nice person normally, but as soon as I got on the phone with the sheriff’s department he was out of sight. The severity of it hit me, and I was in hysterics. I was crying, I was scared, I was very shaken.”

The thief was found walking out of the woods nearby with Reeve’s possessions in hand.

The victim confronted the criminal in court at the bond hearing.  “You came within 2.5 seconds of having a full clip (sic) unloaded into your skull,” she said. “Next time you will have the full clip (sic) unloaded.”

http://www.foxcarolina.com/story/37881137/deputies-woman-pulls-gun-on-intruder-in-upstate-home



Rob- Albuquerque, New Mexico

Judith Burkhalter and her boyfriend, Carlos Vasquez, found out the home they own but do not live in had been broken into.  The next day the arranged to meet a cleaner at the house and to check out the damage.

The burglar was still in the house and armed when they got there.  He saw them coming and tried to get out but couldn’t find a way out where he wouldn’t be seen.

Vasquez pulled his 9mm pistol as the robber lunged at him with a box cutter.  He dodged the blade and returned the welcome with the barrel to the attackers head.  The then gave him a warning that he would shoot.

The burglar kept up the attack and the homeowner fired his pistol.  The shot hit the target in the butt.

He was due in court two days later but was still under medical care and could show up in court the next day.

http://www.koat.com/article/burglar-charges-at-man-ends-up-getting-shot-in-his-butt/19688083

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- Sacrificing Public Safety to Please Special Interests-

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2018/04/18/sacrificing-public-safety-to-please-special-interests-their-death-has-already-been-paid-for/

 

Nothing happens by accident in politics. Bad ideas get so much political traction from elected officials. Politician say they want to do the right thing. Unfortunately, what is right for them isn’t necessarily right for us. Look at the issue of murders in school. Experts told us what to do to protect our children, yet progress is painfully slow. We want our children protected while the politician needs to get credit and kickbacks for the solution. That leaves ours children at risk. We see that time after time.

 

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Steve Denney and, Kelley McDonanld and Shelley Hill for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.