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1- Open and Personal News Segment
2- News Segment
3- Interview Segment 1: Guest David Yamane:
4- Interview Segment 2: Guest David Yamane Part 2
5- DGU Segment:
6- Email and Show Close:
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday, February 15th, 2017. I’m Paul Lathrop
John : I’m John Richardson and on tonight’s show we will talk with David Yamane about guns and religion.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll talk about constitutional carry coming to New Hampshire.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a CCW holder that brought a gun to a knife fight .. so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 401 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
John – I hope to get out this week and shoot the Ruger Redhawk along with a few other guns. The ammo has arrived for it – I got Fiocchi 200 grain .44 Special and .44 Magnum. It’s not cheap! As to what else I did this week in guns, let’s just say I kicked over a hornet’s nest. More on that in the blog segment.
Rachel – MAG-20 last weekend, Texas G.O.L.D. coming up March 2…..EVERYBODY BE THERE!!!! We’re collaborating with the Republican Party of Texas on the lobby day they have chosen to promote the RPT priorities. We’re focusing on constitutional carry – we’ll split into teams and visit every legislator’s office. SIGN UP RIGHT NOW!!!! (and you’ll get a free t-shirt) – seriously don’t wait because I have to order them.
Texas GOLD info: http://www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com/txgold/
And also shoutout to our listener Jared who was doing 4-H stuff at the bay next to me last weekend and recognized my voice from the podcast and came over to say hi!
Promo about upcoming training classes here.
(June 24, 25th 2017. Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. 9am -5pm both days. Richmond, IL)
(August 10-13, 2017. MAG-40. Sioux Falls, SD)
(August 26 & 27, 2017. Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)
2- News 1
The Constitutional Carry train is pulling into New Hampshire
New Hampshire’s state legislature passed SB12 on February 9. Governor Sununu has indicated that he will sign the measure. Currently New Hampshire residents are allowed to open carry without a permit. This law will provide the same status for concealed carry. When passed, this will bring the total number of Constitutional Carry states to 13. That is 26% of the country!
New Hampshire will then catch up with its New England neighbors: Vermont and Maine. Much harder battles lie ahead for the neighbors to the south.
Just south of New Hampshire lies Massachusetts. The Attorney General’s office of Massachusetts recently announced a new government program! Yes, AG Maura Healey believes it is the role big government to snoop into the lives of private individuals. This is the same Maura Healey who unilaterally reinterpreted the State’s assault weapons ban.
Ms. Healey worked with the Massachusetts Medical Society to, “develop informative brochures and a voluntary online training program…” The stated goal is to make resources available for doctors, “in their efforts to prevent gun-related accidents, self-harm, and violence.” This program will be offered to where health care providers can actually receive continuing education credit. The program is supported by the State’s police chiefs, too.
This all sounds good, right? Who could be against safety? Ask yourself a few questions.
- If safety was the real concern, why not talk about traffic safety or storage of toxic chemicals?
- Does a voluntary training program provide sufficient guidance?
- Is a medical examination room really the place to talk about such things?
- Is firearm safety really a subject you want your doctor to study with their continuing education credits?
Does it seem outside the realm of possibilities that this could lead to doctors reporting their findings to the government?
Connecticut getting in on the action
Just south of Massachusetts lies Connecticut. The State’s governor, Dannel Malloy – Democrat, has been busy working on fiscal budgets. What better way to increase revenue than to raise the fees charged to pistol permit holders?
Under his proposal, a five-year renewal will increase from $70 to $300! First-time permits will increase from $140 to $370. Do you really believe this is about raising revenue for the State? The more likely scenario is that Mr. Malloy would like to price people out of their ability to legally keep and bear arms. The governor claims the state is bringing fees in line with surrounding states. Malloy said, “Given the amount of work that has to be done with respect to licensure we probably were not, in fact, we weren’t covering our costs.” There is one easy way to solve the problem, Gov. Malloy: follow the example set by Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire. There is no cost when you do not issue permits in the first place!
Scott Wilson is the president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League. He stated, “It’s no secret that Gov. Malloy really does not care about gun rights or Second Amendment rights or gun owners in the state of Connecticut.” Members of the CCDL began pushing back on this increase by attending the budget hearing for the Public Safety division. Many CCDL members are concerned that they are being priced out of their rights.
The ability to tax is the ability to destroy.
Paul -The poorest will be those that suffer most.
Gun Quotes– Rob- One of my readers left us this. Frank in Florida said, “Evil people will do evil things; crazy people will do crazy things; stupid people will do stupid things. Any solution to this problem cannot involve making it impossible for good people to do good things.”
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).
3- Interview 1
Professor David Yamane
Professor David Yamane is a sociologist at Wake Forest University, home of the Demon Deacons, and has conducted research on both organized religion and the gun culture. He blogs at the always informative Gun Culture 2.0. David has just published a paper that investigates the connections between organized religion, religiosity, and personal handgun ownership. David was previously on the Polite Society Podcast in Episode 322 where he talked about his class on the Sociology of Guns.
Before we get into the results of your research, what first influenced you to research the relationship between religion and gun ownership?
Could you tell us the results of this study? Why do you think church attendance or participation is so critical here?
You depend upon survey data for the measures of gun ownership. With regard to the General Social Survey, do you think respondents under-report aka lie about gun ownership?
Most of the sources you cite in your paper are 8-10 years old or older. In your opinion, has sociology kept up with the changes in the gun culture?
- D. Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy has brought some attention to what I call Appalachian-Americans. I wonder if there is any way to study them as a separate subset from that of the South as they seem to have an even stronger culture of violence?
Are there any policy implication from this research?
4- Interview 2
5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.
Take That From a Take Out
Once burned – twice prepared. After being robbed outside his Houston restaurant, the owner of Jeff’s Kitchen started carrying a gun. That decision served him well when he was jumped by two armed men late one Saturday night. When the men appeared from behind a garbage bin and moved to rob him, the owner drew his gun and shot.
One man was hit in the throat and chest, the other fled the scene of the crime. The wounded man later died at a local hospital. The restaurateur was not injured. Police believe he will not be charged with any crime.
CCW Carrier Brings a Gun to a Knife Fight
A CCW carrier intervened in a potentially deadly weekend fight, when two men decided that a Topeka, Kansas Wal-Mart was the place to settle their differences. Their fight was interrupted by a legally armed citizen. According to police, “He intervened, drew his firearm, and held the people to the ground basically at gun-point.”
One man was taken to the hospital for treatment of non-life threatening stab wounds. The other brawler and the armed citizen were taken to jail for questioning. The fighters have been charged with aggravated battery; the legally armed citizen was released without charges.
While we applaud the public spirit of the citizen, we must question if he did the correct thing. Intervening in a situation where one is not directly involved is fraught with dangers, which our commentators know better than most. Guys?
Paul – we are not police however police do not carry knives for attack generally so I might have been tempted to intervene.
Rachel- when intervening in 3rd-party situation have to know the circumstances, and make the decision you know you can live with
Vet 2 – Thugs 0
A Vietnam vet was tested once again when two young thugs threatened him and a friend. His foes once again found that tempered steel cuts best.
A 70-year-old ‘Nam vet from Saint Louis was dropping off his lady-friend across the river in Venice, Illinois one fine morning (you dawg, you.) The two were saying their goodbyes when a couple of young men drove up to the car asking for directions. Predictably in that East St Louis area neighborhood, one of the men pulled a gun and demanded money. The vet pulled his own legally possessed concealed carry weapon and fired.
Police arrived to investigate the all too common call of gunshots and found Billy Dickerson, 19, dead from a head wound, and Perry Richardson, 23, suffering from bullets in his chest and arm. Richardson, no relation to our John Richardson (supposedly), was hospitalized and charged with first degree murder. Under Illinois law anyone perpetrating a felony is legally accountable for a death during the felony. Police sources disclosed Richardson and Dickerson are suspects in more than 20 armed robberies in Illinois and Missouri; one robbery occurred just an hour before the fatal encounter.
The vet and his friend were uninjured. Illinois State Attorney Tom Gibbons said that the veteran’s actions were justified based on the circumstance of the robbery and the history of the repeat offenders. “This is an example of a law-abiding citizen protecting himself, exercising his right to self-defense. This incident yesterday morning is the exact situation where the necessity for this right becomes crystal clear.”
Are you listening Chicagoland?
Drug Thief Foiled by Pharmacist With a Gun
Finally, from John Richardson’s neck-of-the woods: An armed, masked suspect walked into the Carolina Mountain Pharmacy and demanded narcotics. “[The suspect] asked us to keep our hands where you can see them and to not handle our phones,” the pharmacist related. “And then he sort of went off on a list of what he wanted me to give him.”
Instead of the drugs, the suspect got a gun — pointed at him. Jared Mattson, the pharmacist/ owner, grabbed his own .40 S&W pistol, and when he racked his gun (!), the would-be thief ran off. Mattson said he was mad at the robber, but glad the suspect chose to run. “It certainly could’ve turned out worse. You could be interviewing my wife about her dead husband just as easy.” As of now, the suspect has not been identified.
We can hear the commentators chomping at the bit — anything you want to discuss here?
Paul – NO Israeli carry!
John – It also shows the difference between a chain pharmacy and a independent pharmacy.
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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
1 Voice mail
1 text from Clayton
I carry a primary, two spare mags, and a backup .380 in the pocket. Defensive knife is also mandatory to me. Pocket emergency med kit too!
Paul – About damn time you check back in with us! 😉
Feb 10, 3:19 PMvia Google Voice
Sorry! I’ve been busy with my new girlfriend who loves shooting. 😉
Check out our His & Her’s shooting target on FB. You’re allowed to mention that on air. Ha!
Listener e-mail discussion
Email #1 from Todd in San Diego
I’ve heard several industry pundits talking about a resurgence in revolvers. I’ve always liked revolvers from an aesthetic standpoint, but I also find myself carrying and training with them more often due to a persistent wrist injury – the revolver grip simply works better for me.
My understanding of the bills currently being looked at for national reciprocity would require a concealed carrier to abide by all laws of that state – which might include magazine limitations, ammunition type restrictions, etc. Incidentally, it will be interesting to see if handguns not on CA’s safe gun roster would be allowed in state under a visiting permit. All that said, a revolver is probably going to be legal in nearly any jurisdiction, and the ability to shoot lead bullets like wadcutters may provide better options than FMJ in jurisdictions that restrict hollow-point bullets.
Manufacturers seem to be following this trend – like bullets that start with a 4? How about a five shot, 44 Special snubbie? Need more capacity? There are several eight shot 357’s on the market. Kimber and Colt are offering six shot snubbies.
I know there are limitations and trade-offs to any gun, but with national reciprocity looking good on the horizon, it might be of benefit to every concealed carrier to have at least one revolver in their stable.
Email #2 Michael talks backups.
I always have two spare magazines on me… one in an IWB holder on my support side (17 rounds) and another in my front pocket on my strong side (15 rounds).
Also, about 40% of the time, I carry a backup on my ankle (G43) with a two spares; one in my support-side front pocket (along with a Streamlight ProTac 2L and pepper spray) and the other in a cargo pocket (along with a spare flashlight). The spares for the G43 have +2 extensions on them, so they each have eight rounds.
Oh, and I have a small IFAK (Student of the Gun Pocket Lifesaver) and a folding knife in the other cargo pocket.
Needless to say, I just avoid getting close to water. 😉
David also writes in about backups
You asked for ideas for back up guns and who carries one. A North American Arms Pug in a picket holster with an extra 5 rounds of 22 Mag fits just about anywhere. It gives an additional 10 rounds and while 22 Mag is not the best for stopping power, no one wants to be a test medium. Plus it provides a way to carry very discretely even in situations where caring is not encouraged. Say at a liberal relative’s house.🙂
Keep up the good work.
Chris talks carry and Trucking
Paul & the gang,
First off love the show, long time listener and it’s one of favorite shows I look forward to each week. For privacy reasons, I request that you would only use my first name on air if you choose to air this email.
I drive truck for a living also, and my company has a strict no weapons policy. Because of this I can’t carry everyday. When I am home I carry a Glock 23 as a primary handgun with one spare magazine and I also carry a S&W j frame as a backup handgun. If it was possible for me legally, this would be my everyday carry as well.
I obtained my handgun carry permit at the earliest age available at 21, and have been carrying for 15+ years. I have attended some local training classes and I’m fortunate enough to be able to train on the local range at least 2-3 times each month where they allow drills drawing from holsters and from concealment cover. I budget and allot for 500 rounds each month for training. I am very excited about attending a MAG40 class, and would love to be able to attend the one in August in Sioux Falls but it being 17 hours away logistically I don’t know if that’s feasible. I am however going to try my best to attend a MAG40 in 2017, that is my one main training goal for the year.
Thanks for the great show and for keeping my company out on the road, keep up the great work!
Gary ummm stepped in it with this emailer
Really Gary? You’re calling me out on-air? Well it’s too late to be the next week as it is already recorded, so we will have to make due. The crew were talking on how much gun you folks carry so I will start there. I am currently carrying a full size P320 9mm with a reload (so 17*2+1). I have tried carrying a B.U.G., but haven’t gotten it to work well yet.
I have also considered not carrying a reload in lieu of a med kit with tourniquet but I still haven’t gotten to a trauma class. O.C. spray is also on my list of things that my EDC lacks. With limited personal real estate, I am going to try a primary, bug, medical, and O.C. spray, then if possible add back a reload so as to cover the widest array. So there is your email folks, I suppose you want one for next week too…..
See you at the townhall,
Mark talks Back ups and church
I listened to episode 399 today and would agree with the guy who said your podcast is his number one. I look forward to each episode, especially when the whole gang is there. I like the fact that you have a reasonable discussion, regardless of the topic, even when there are differing views. Keep up the good work!
Paul had asked for feedback regarding spare ammo and backup guns. In NY state, we can have 10 in the magazine, plus one in the chamber. I carry a Ruger SR40 with two spare magazines. I do POGO with the exception of work & restricted areas. As for a backup gun, I haven’t yet, but have been thinking about it. The BUG will be my Ruger LCR with 38+P in an ankle holster or pocket holster in a motorcycle vest when I’m riding.
Also, you read an email about the guy leaving his church, P-USA due to their anti gun stance. Baptist churches tend to be more pro gun. I’m working with one of the elders at my church to develop a security team and want to look into getting team tactics training. We already have a few that conceal carry, but I feel we should have some training and plan for how to respond should the need arise.
Thanks again for all you do.
And Matt Martin of Geeks, Gadgets and guns writes in to talk optics.
When it comes to red dot optics for a rifle there are many good options for under $250 as mentioned on the episode Burris and vortex make good optics in that price point. When it comes to slide mounted red dots expect to spend $400-600 while there are some good options around $250-300 they are designed for rifle use not handgun and while they work and hold zero they will be electronic optics with an automatic shut off after a few hours. At this time the main 3 I would suggest considering run in the $400-600 window and will remain always on precisely what is needed for defensive use. The main 3 that meet that requirement at this time is the luapold delta point, shield rms, or a variant of the trijicon RMR. The shield rms is quite new so reliability is still being proven but the signs are good.
A different Matt writes in…
So, what were the first episodes that Rachel appeared in? I would like to hear what she was saying back then.
EPISODE 207 as guest host!
Charles wants to talk training and competition
Polite Society Podcast,
Thank you for producing a high quality and enjoyable podcast. Y’all provide a great service to the defense and firearms community, as well as the general public.
I strongly encourage those that recommend competitions as a method of training/testing to participate in an organized force-on-force training utilizing marking rounds such as Simunitions/UTM/etc. Every time the DGU segment comes on, think of how well a competition would have prepared the potential victim. Then consider how much better prepared that person would be if they had gotten to work through a wide range of situations, with stress levels close to that of a critical encounter (not just a slight rise in heart rate because of a timer), and needing to work through the full process of recognizing the threat, responding to the threat, and practicing the follow through, such as simulating the call to police, providing trauma care, and maintaining situational awareness. This type of training is second to none, and you don’t need to be military or law enforcement. Lt. Col. Dave Grossman does a much better job at describing all of the benefits of this training than I ever could. Please find an opportunity to take a force-on-force class, and I promise the results will be exponentially more beneficial than training for shooting sports.
-Charles, East Texas
Rachel – the more you have trained in a specific scenario or set of skills, the more automatic that response becomes and the more your brain can focus on making decisions for this specific situation
And our own Craig wanted to chime in about red dots.
This is in response to JP’s inquiry regarding red dots on pistols in episode 400. If the setup he or she is working on is for a defensive pistol, there is another important consideration.
One of the reasons I decided on the Trijicon RMR was the profile of the sight. I would have loved to run the Vortex Venom due to the lower cost and their good reputation. However, the base of the unit is so tall that it prohibits co-witnessing even suppressor-height sights. After trolling forums, YouTube and other internet fodder, it appeared that only the Trijicon and the Leupold were short enough to accommodate co-witnessing.
If the pistol is not to be used for defensive purposes, knock yourself out. But, Murphy’s Law is clear that the moment your red dot decides to take a nap will be the time you need it the most. Personally, if I could not co-witness I would leave the red dot off of the pistol.
One other thing to consider is the size of the dot. There is no way I could shoot 1 MOA (a one inch group at 100 yards) with a pistol. It is also more difficult to acquire a small dot depending on the ambient lighting. See if the gun shop has different models that you can view.
John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.
John – As I alluded to in the introduction, I kicked over a hornet’s nest and you know what, I’d do it all over again. Microtech Knives is a well-known knife maker of high end and high priced knives. They have a location near where I live. On Sunday I drove over to where it is located and noticed a sign at the front door posting against concealed carry on their premises. It both galls and saddens me that a knife company would do that given they should be on the same side. I put up a post with a picture of their front door and the sign asking is“ it too much to expect a knife company to recognize gun rights in the same manner we in the gun culture recognize knife rights?” That got picked up by many on Facebook including photographer Oleg Volk and it was off to the races. Let’s just say I got a quick response from the company which included the sign coming down. With over 10,000 pageviews, you could say it went viral.
That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.
We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Dave Yamane for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,
Paul: Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Gary: and we’ll see you down the road.
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