Episode 333- Yes, Virginia there really are DC carry permits!

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, June 14, 2015.  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with John Edeen from Doctors for Responsible gun ownership.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Ed Levine (LE VINE) about getting  your DC carry permit.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we also get to talk with the shy and soft-spoken and famous Taco Bell fan Miguel Gonzalez of The Gun Free Zone Blog.  Miggy will tell us about the new “common sense gun regulations” proposed by the department of justice.  We have all that and our usual news and stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.

Rob- strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 333 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- I spoke with one of our listeners.  Tony is running some introductory training classes in New Jersey.  I had some repairs made on my Glock 19.  Shot an IDPA match.  One stage had 18 separate cardboard targets. That stage took a while to score and tape.


I was shooting a mix of defensive and practice ammunition.  The glock doesn’t care what it eats so far.  On a personal note, we went and heard Rand Paul speak last night.


John – Not much in the way of personal gun stuff to report this week. I did pick up 4 Aero Precision AR stripped lowers this week. I found a great deal on them and couldn’t resist. I think there will be more AR builds in my future! Planning what to do is half the fun.


Gary – Sorting brass for reloading and teaching Plus just opened the new scope for my M&P15


I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.


Seg 2- News


Guns For Me, But Not For Thee
Geraldo Rivera doesn’t believe the public should own guns. According to him, the Second Amendment is blind and stupid. Oddly enough, when push comes to maybe being shoved, he becomes a believer in a firearm – for his self-defense. Covering the Baltimore riots, Geraldo could have felt uneasy about being as defenseless as one of the little people. So, the Very Important Person got some muscle – muscle with guns. What his bodyguard didn’t have was a hard-to-get permit to carry those guns in Maryland. Now, Geraldo’s bodyguard sits in jail, unable to meet the outrageous $350,000 bond.


While Baltimore’s mayor gave the rioters room to destroy, the politicians would not allow the citizens their right to an effective self-defense. Just as hypocritical, Geraldo was protected by the same firearms he would deny from the people


Blind and stupid? Well, Geraldo is certainly one to know blind stupidity.


We like guns.. and so do you.  A new Rasmussen poll reports that American voters overwhelming prefer living in a neighborhood where they have the option of owning a gun rather than living where nobody is allowed to be armed.  Only 22 percent of likely U.S. voters feel safer living in a neighborhood where nobody was allowed to own a gun.  Sixty-eight percent would feel safer in a neighborhood where guns are allowed.  That more than a three to one ratio.

That leads us to ask.. why aren’t they all listening to our podcast?


Total Recall is more than a movie.  Patricia Duffy had her recall petition approved by the Oregon Secretary of State.  She wants to recall state Senator Floyd Prozanski because of his vote on mandatory background checks for Oregon gun owners.  This recall is in Lane County which includes the liberal college town of Eugene.  You’d think that gun prohibition would succeed there, but the Lane county politicians said they would not enforce the firearms transfer law.  This is the fourth Oregon legislator facing a recall over the firearms transfer law.  Citizens have until September fourth to gather 8,700 signatures for the recall.


Rob- Speaking of recall petitions.. the petition drive to remove New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney is in two weeks.


Our next story could be called total recant.  The FBI released a report before the 2014 midterm elections that claimed mass murders were on the rise.  Criminologists looked at the report since then and said the report was deeply flawed.  The report ignored older attacks and overcounted recent ones.  Now, two of the authors have had to retract their conclusions.  The authors paid by the FBI  to write the report said the study’s “data is imperfect.  Because official data did not contain the information we needed, we had to develop our own.”

John- That is academic speak for “I made it up.”


Rob- The way the authors built their study, their methodology would report an increase in any event they looked for.  The authors can always go to work writing reports on global warming.




-Yes, crazy people get guns.  What are you going to do about it?  The Aurora theater murderer kept a journal.  It is now public.  The journal includes lists of possible targets, diagrams of the movie theater, and the advantages and disadvantages of mass murder, serial murder, bombs, biological warfare, attacking a theater or an airport.  It details which auditoriums in the theater complex had the fewest exits and which rooms offered the least chance he would be detected as he slipped out and in the back door.  The journal documents the murderer’s struggle with mental illness for the last ten years.  Like the jihadi terrorist, the murderer did not fear death.  He feared failure.. and would not be stopped by a plastic sign that said “no guns allowed”.  He is being tried for murdering 12 people and wounding an additional 70. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/28/theater-shooting-prosecutors-build-case-that-holme/#ixzz3d2l9WYDM


The Supreme Court refused to hear a court case from San Francisco.  They let stand a case that was very similar to the Heller case in DC.  San Francisco requires that a firearm be locked in a safe and inoperable whenever it is not being carried on body.

Rob- Three New York cities passed the same storage requirement law the day after the Supreme Court refused to hear the case.  Alito and Roberts blinked.


John- Judge Thomas spoke out against the ban and wanted to hear the case. He said the 9th Circuit’s ruling was “in serious tension” with the Heller decision. He was right.


Rob- as long as they are in your hands or a locked safe. A woman in San Francisco who keeps her gun in a nightstand is now a felon.. and she can’t wear it as she take her garbage can to the curb or to get her mail.  That requires a carry permit.. which she won’t get.


Bill to Fix Sporting Purpose Language in 1968 Gun Control Act
Representative Rob Bishop of Utah has introduced H.R. 2710, the “Lawful Purpose and Self-Defense Act of 2015”. His bill aims to fix the flawed and much abused Sporting Purposes language of the ‘68 Gun Control Act,. The bill has already garnered strong support from the NRA, NSSF, and the CCRKBA, as well as 50 co-sponsors.


Misdefining Sporting Purposes has led to recent ATF overreaches such as the attempted ban of the 5.56 M855 round and could threaten larger calibers and shotgun self defense loads. Most importantly, the Sporting Purposes phrase has no foundation in the Constitution. As the Supreme Court determined in DC v. Heller, the right to keep and bear arms was never written to protect hunting or target shooting.


Representative Bishop hopes to “…slap the over-reaching hand of the federal government and restore some of the freedoms our grandparents enjoyed.”  A NSSF representative stated that; “This is one of the most important pieces of reform legislation that the firearms and ammunition industry has seen come before Congress in recent years,”

We certainly wish Rob Bishop all the best.


-This is more sad news from the failing city of Chicago.  Chicago had its 1000th shooting victim this year.  If there is any good news it is this.  Not one of the victims was attacked by a concealed carry holder as the police chief alleged when concealed carry was passed.


Gary- That news is out of date.  I checked the statistics today, and the total number of people wounded or murdered with a firearm in Chicago is 1114 so far this year.


Voters in Montana could have the chance to vote to allow teachers to carry guns in schools.  This is because of the efforts of a 17-year-old junior at Whitefish High School. Chet Billi filled draft language for a proposed initiative for the 2016 ballot this week with the Montana Secretary of State. He’d like to see teachers armed in accordance with state concealed-carry laws.  A measure to legalize concealed-carry on Montana’s public college campuses passed the Montana Senate in the last legislative session, but was died in the House on a 49-51 vote.  Maybe the voters will do it themselves.



We discussed the proposed changes in the ITAR regulations last week. We asked you to write your lawmakers as well as submit comments. GOA has set up a comment generator where you take a cut and paste pre-written comment and send it to the State Department. This is going to be one of those proposed regulations where we need thousands and thousands of comments just like with the ATF proposal to label green-tip M855 ammo as armor piercing.


John – We need to bury them with comments because they have to read and consider each and every one.


There is lots of news out of New Jersey this week.  We have an interview coming up with Dan Roberts.  He’ll cover the ongoing protests after the murder of Carol Bowne.  Here is some good news out of New Jersey..


We had Steffon Josey-Davis on our show several months ago.  Davis was arrested, charged, and convicted of a felony in 2013 for accidentally transporting his legally registered handgun.  He has finally received a pardon from Governor Chris Christie.  We’re glad for Steffon, but remain worried about the two million gun owners trapped by New Jersey gun laws.


John- I remember Brian Aitken, James Kaleda, Shaneen Allen and Gordon Van Gilder.  There are hundreds of honorable gun owners who’ve been harassed by New Jersey law enforcement.


Rob- New Jersey gun laws are a problem, not the solution.  Look at the most violent cities in America.  Five of the worst 40 cities are in New Jersey.


John- Rob, that isn’t news.  We’ve seen the same thing before after Britain imposed firearms prohibition.  They are now the most violent country in Europe.

Gun Quotes:  Owning a handgun doesn’t make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.   Jeff Cooper


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.

Ed Levine-

Virginia Gunrights-  Most of us have visited DC.  We used to do it disarmed.  We have Ed Levine with us to talk about DC permits for residents of other states.  Welcome Ed.

What is involved in getting a non-resident permit for DC?

Ed should get his permit after his Friday class.


Miguel Gonzalez- talking about the state department’s new regulation regarding the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR).  Export now means “post on the internet.”




Dan Roberts talks about protests in New Jersey.

There was a protest friday at Loretta Weinberg’s office.

Senator Sweeney turned his sprinklers on the protesters.. and stationed police cars right in front of the house.  40 people at Steve Sweeney’s house from 1pm to 4pm.  Sweeney has a carry permit and cops on his doorstep, but Carol Bowne was disarmed.  The NBC station interviewed NJ2AS.. but left out the remarks from Senator Sweeney.


Segment 4 DGUs

-A Houston woman was sitting in her car at a gas station.  A thief jumped into the passenger seat.  and put a knife in her face.  He demanded her money and her purse.  The driver told the thief she would get the money.  Instead she grabbed her pistol and shot the thief in the shoulder. The thief ran and collapsed about a half mile away. The thief is expected to recover and the driver is uninjured.


-Five armed men broke into a home on the east side of Detroit.  The homeowner with a concealed carry license grabbed her gun as the thieves broke in through her bedroom window.  They shot at her.  She shot at them and the thieves fled.  Unfortunately, the homeowner was shot in the foot.  She is expected to make a full recovery.


She was selected as a likely victim because she is receiving cancer treatment and lives alone.  The victim got a gun three years ago after her home was burglarized.  I was going to fault her marksmanship, but five against one in the middle of the night is a really tough problem.  She solved it.


-This next story comes to us from one of our guests, Tatiana Whitlock.  A 35-year-old woman from Portland, Maine defended herself with a handgun.  A man approached her and asked for money as she walked across the parking lot near Maine Medical Center.  She said no.  The beggar turned thief and threatened her with a knife.  The woman retreated to her car and grabbed her handgun. She pointed the gun at the man and told him to leave her alone. The man ran and the victim reported the attempted robbery and assault to police.


-A school bus driver saw two strangers with guns in her school parking lot.  The assailants charged her and the driver retreated to her car.  Then she took action.  She chased the two strangers with her car and called police.  Police found the two attackers high on drugs and armed with several handguns.


Rob- Her actions broke up their plans and gave authorities time to respond.  Good work.


-A robber walked into a Kansas City, Missouri, pharmacy wearing a mask and carrying a gun.  She demanded oxycodone from one of the clerks.  The pharmacist came over and asked what the woman wanted.  She said, ‘I’ve got a gun in this bag.’ to which the pharmacist replied, I got a gun too, as he pointed his 45 at the thief.  The woman ran.  No shots were fired.  Cameras captured video of the suspect and her getaway car.  Police recovered the bag the woman carried into the pharmacy, which contained a fake plastic gun.


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Segment 5 Show close


Listener e-mail discussion

Scott wrote in from Houston.

I noticed on the news from New York that all the cops have 30 round magazines for their patrol rifles.  I thought the governor said no one needs a 30 round magazine.. yet only law-abiding citizen are required to have seven rounds.  Isn’t that pathetic.


Thank you



Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote about New Jersey judges and how they disarmed Carol Bowne before she was murdered.  Judges ruled that New Jersey firearms laws are not infringements.  Excuse me, but it isn’t a minor legal regulation when people bleed to death.


Usually people come to my blog page through aggregators like keep and bear arms or sites like Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  This time I received 2700 hits from facebook.   I haven’t had that before.  The posts are up at Ammoland, ClashDaily and my blog- slow facts dot wordpress dot com.


If you’re looking for firearms safety information, I updated my website everytown for gun safety dot wordpress dot com.


John tell us what you’ve been doing over at No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money.


I’d like to highlight a couple of posts that I did this week. The first was the management changes at Remington Outdoor Company. The CEO, CFO, and some directors are out. I think their problems illustrate what happens when you have financial people with no firearms manufacturing experience try to run a gun company. The second post deals with the lawsuit of Cold Steel knives against CRKT knives. That lawsuit is an example of lawfare – using the courts to gain a competitive advantage rather than fighting it out in the marketplace. The basis of the lawsuit involves CRKT advertising claims and the ego of the owner of Cold Steel.


These and other posts can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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