Episode 325 – Bob Mayne

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday April 12th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and on tonights show we will talk with Bob Mayne.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and we’ll talk about some 2nd Amendment legislation from Mississippi, Arkansas AND Maine!

Sue: so climb aboard

Gary: strap in

Paul: and hang on!  Because episode 325  of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

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Seg 2- News


State Gun Rights Advancements


There have been many states gun rights advancements this week:
First, Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant signs pro-Second Amendment reform legislation. The new NRA-backed laws will reduce concealed carry permit fees, allow permitless concealed carry in purses and briefcases, and streamline enhanced carry training requirements for active military and veterans. Other key provisions of the measures include protection from federal over-regulation of commonly-owned rifle ammunition, lowering the age requirement for a carry permit from 21 to 18 for National Guard or Reserve unit personnel, and clarifying limits on where cities and counties can regulate enhanced carry permit holders.


Congratulations Mudcats!


Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson has signed  ”Shall Certify” legislation which compels Chief Law Enforcement Officers (CLEO’s) to certify ATF National Firearms Act paperwork for any applicant who is not a prohibited possessor by state or federal law. Arkansas becomes the eighth state to enact “Shall Certify”.


We congratulate the NFA Freedom Alliance for their excellent work, as well as the citizens of Arkansas.


Sowee, Razorbacks!


Continuing this Gun Freedom Spring, Maine lawmakers are considering abolishing a concealed carry permit requirement in the state. Maine allows Open Carry without a permit, but requires someone to have a permit if their jacket covers their gun. The bill is a way of telling Maine residents that lawmakers are not going to treat you like a criminal if you put a jacket on.

Sound great! Get on it Maineiacs!


Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam has signed legislation that allows workers to sue their employers if they are fired for storing guns in cars parked on company lots. This law specifies that the companies’ 4th Amendment property rights cannot trump the 2nd Amendment rights of the employees.


Congratulations to all Tennesseans.

Torrance Police Department’s Theft of a Gun Collection

A Federal lawsuit shoots down Torrance PD gun restoration policy.


The Torrance, California Police Department is liable for the failure to return a man’s firearm collection and its eventual destruction. For nearly three years, TPD kept 17 firearms worth $15,800, ignored two court orders to return them, and finally destroyed the collection. In that collection were several irreplaceable family heirlooms. This high-handed arrogance will cost Torrance $30,000.


It should have cost them much more.


Torrance resident Michael Roberts had surrendered his firearms early in 2010 when a temporary restraining order was filed against him. When the TRO was lifted, Roberts asked for his firearms. Citing Cal DOJ’s Law Enforcement Gun Release letter, Torrance PD refused. The DOJ’s letter wrongly implies that police should not return guns unless the person can document their ownership and the gun is in the DOJ’s database. The law simply does not allow the DOJ to impose those bureaucratic hurdles.


“It’s been an ongoing problem for years, said attorney Chuck Michel, who filed the federal lawsuit. Cities such as San Francisco and Oakland have also been sued based on the same erroneous interpretation, and those cities settled their cases and revised their procedures.” Roberts’ dilemma in dealing with a law enforcement agency that doesn’t follow the law is fairly common, said a CRPA spokesman.


The lawsuit alleged a malicious motive on the part of the department, which willfully disobeyed judicial orders in order to punish Roberts for not yielding to Torrance PD’s unlawful registration policy. A settlement was reach for more than the value of the firearms and requires a change to TPD’s policies. Unfortunately, it’s the citizens of Torrance that will pay the bill. Although It is hard to see this as anything but theft under the color of authority, police and city officials will not personally answer for their disregard of the law.


The citizens of Torrance might just want to take a hard look at their government: it seems it’s no longer a servant, but a terrible master.


[Rob may have had some experience with Torrance. Charlie Foxtrot certainly has, and pretty much considers them all <Expletives Deleted>.]


‘Boma’s Heart is Broken – Here’s Hoping Mooseshell Breaks His @$$
With his habitual obsessive use of I, me and my, Obama announced through ABC News that he hasn’t given up on gun control.

Speaking to ABC News’ chief Health and Medical editor, Obama once again blamed Sandy Hook on firearms, ignoring the mental illness that many see as the real cause. He blamed Congress, the gun lobby, the NRA and its “intense” members (Guilty!) for the resisting his laws. Obama promised to take steps toward tougher gun policies by administratively tightening up background checks, then oddly free-associated gun control with illegal drug runners. He expressed an intense desire to “chip away” on the NRA’s hold on Congress. He even brought up the tired ol’ cliche that “most gun owners recognized the need for “common sense gun safety laws.” “


It may be telling that Obama choose to be interviewed by the fawning Dr. Richard Besser on a location festooned with medical devices and…  errrr… unmoving (dead?) patient readouts. Obama might be returning to the old theme that firearms must be controlled as a medical health risk. He seems to be running out of ideas as well as time.

Obama has less than two years to affect gun control and the other hard-left Progressive causes he longs for. These next two years may well be the most dangerous ever for the Republic and the Constitution. Obama’s desperation for a legacy may prompt further unconstitutional executive orders. We must be eternally vigilant. And Intense.

‘Boma Wins Gun Salesman of the Year – Again
Typifying this misadministration’s talent for unanticipated consequences, Obama’s push for gun control backfired as the firearm industry’s demand soared.

In 2013 – the latest data available – more than 10.8 million firearms were manufactured, double the total three years before. Obama’s attempt to capitalize on the Sandy Hook tragedy encouraged a significant amount of buyer purchases, as did the gun control efforts in states like California, Colorado and New York. An unprecedented amount of  first time buyers responded to the now or never realities by entering the gun culture with a purchase.


“The surge in firearms sales in 2013 reflects both a long-term upward trend in shooting sports participation and [a] particular concern that year that law-abiding gun owners and those interested in purchasing a firearm for the first time could face tougher restrictions affecting access to and selection of firearms,” said Mike Bazinet, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation.


Dr. John R. Lott Jr., president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, said polling shows a fundamental shift in attitudes. Americans increasingly believing that the right to bear arms must be protected and increasingly see guns as a way to make homes safer.


Another measure of the change in firearms popularity is the steadily increasing number of concealed carry permits, which are said to have tripled over the last few years. Nationally, concealed carry permits have grown from 4.6 million in 2007 to more than 12 million now, according to Dr. Lott.


Americans Refusing to Feel Guilty Over Self Defense  
In an on-air editorial, Fox News’ Greg Gutfeld opined that the establishment media’s gun control arguments are increasingly falling on deaf ears because Americans refuse to feel guilty over using guns for self-defense. Many have simply realize that there are seconds–and frequently, agonizing minutes–between the time they dial 911 and the time police arrive.

Breitbart News recently reported that concealed carry is surging in the black community, and no less a prominent figure than Detroit Police Chief James Craig explained that this is a historic shift. Craig explained that Detroit residents have simply come to realize that good guys with guns really can protect their own lives and the lives of their neighbors.

NRA Throws Down Against Hillary
“I vow on this day the NRA will stand shoulder to shoulder with you and good, honest decent Americans and we will stand and fight with everything we’ve got. And in 2016, by God, we will elect the next great president of the United States of America and it will not be Hillary Rodham Clinton,” said at last week’s NRA Annual Meeting by Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre.


“She will not bring a dawn of new promise and opportunity. It would be a permanent darkness of deceit and despair forced upon the American people.” LaPierre said Clinton has long been a threat to Second Amendment rights. “She’s been coming after us for decades,” he said.


LaPierre did not mention any Republican presidential candidates, rather he focused on Hillary’s unsuitableness for the office. “One day America will elect a woman… not because of her gender but because of her character and integrity and moral fitness to hold the highest office in land,” LaPierre said. “That is how a candidate should be judged.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews


Segment 4 DGUs

Northeast Harris County Texas Suppressive Fire

The Internet often asks just how many rounds should be carried in a self-defense firearm. The answer is: just one more than you’ll need.

A Northeast Harris County, Texas man needed a lot of rounds to defend three children and a woman from two trigger-happy home invaders. He was asleep on the couch when the criminals kicked open the door and came in firing. The man grabbed a handgun and returned their fire. Not too effectively, as the uninjured suspects ran to a waiting car and took off. The resident, who’s apparently a little grumpy when woken, continued to fire at the departing car. He expended about 10 rounds defending the lives of the occupants.

While our hero’s marksmanship wasn’t the best, his swarm of bullets did accomplish the goal. However, it should be noted that each bullet has a cop and a lawyer attached to it – the shooter is morally and legally responsible for every round fired. So – if possible – a little restraint on the trigger finger is warranted. And, if the threat has ended, and the criminals are running away screaming like little girls, don’t chase them into the street and continue to fire – get some coffee, dude.

Texas Woman Shoots (Now) Ex-Boyfriend

Don’t mess with Texas. Especially with the Texas dames.


A couple brought their violent argument to a Houston area gas station. The man jumped in and out of the car several times, hit the driver in her face, and forced the woman from behind the wheel. The man then attempted to crash the vehicle. Fearing for her safety, the woman shot the crazy, now ex-boyfriend, wounding him in the leg.

The suspect was taken to the hospital, and the woman was questioned by the cops.  Currently the police believe the shooting was justifiable self-defense. The district attorney has the final say, but the woman is not expected to be charged.

Third World Problems – Here

Reminiscent of lawlessness in Africa, South America and the Middle East, someone may be attempting to stop cars in the Louisville, Kentucky area. Late one night, a driver encountered a blockade of several cones across the roadway. When the driver got out to remove them, he was approached by three or four people. Happily, the driver had the foresight to go armed, and the potential assailants ran when the driver pulled his gun. Police were unable to find the highway bandits. Chicago police have reported several similar incidents.


Law enforcement warn individuals that if they approach a completely barricaded roadway to follow these simple steps:


  1. Lock your vehicle doors and Call 911 immediately (911 will know if there is an issue with the road being closed)
  2. Turn around and use an alternate route if possible, or wait in a secure area for law enforcement to arrive or advise that it is clear.

    We would add a 3rd: Stay aware and stay safe – and carry your legal concealed carry firearm.

    It’s a dangerous world out there.

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Segment 5 Show close

Gun Quote:

“Don’t trust politicians. Trust the NRA.” – Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke to the NRA Leadership Forum


Listener e-mail discussion


Email #1


I listened to episode 323 and during the 2nd news segment, the subject was the Oregon background check S.B. 941 and an amendment to the bill which would have eliminated the need for state background check. The amendment was submitted by Senator Kim Thatcher would have prohibited persons identified as such on their Oregon drivers license or state issued ID card. Senator Thatcher’s amendment was later dismissed without discussion and S.B. 941 passed out of committee and will receive full senate vote next week. My concern that you dismissed the thought outright “it’s a solution looking for a problem” and “I would support neither of them”. I understand No Compromise and sometimes its just plain stupid. All it takes is a supermajority and bam you lose more rights like what is happening in Oregon now. S.B. 941 will be voted on next week then on to the Governor for signing. Who loses? The law abiding citizens of Oregon. I bet in a couple months that they would be grateful to have the prohibited persons inconvenienced in having to have their license marked. The No Compromise zealots in Washington state refused to vote for a competing bill I-591 to offset the odorous background check bill I-594 and called Allan Gotlieb a turncoat. That’s right the No Compromise folks called the man that runs the organization that has done more of the 2nd Amendment in the courts labeled a turncoat.
Later in the show you were asked how you would make a private sale of a firearm? You answered by asking and making a copy of their concealed carry permit and drivers license. Well I guess your not going to sell any firearms to non-CCL persons. Would a drivers license that has information if the person is or is not a prohibited person do the same. I think it would solve a problem for me because if I sell a firearm I’m going down to the local pawn shop and paying the $20.00 transfer fee just for my own piece of mind. Paul I understand that the 2nd Amendment is your permit to carry, purchase what have you it’s the other 319 million people you need to convince and they all have their faces stuck to a phone with drool oozing out their mouths.
I always enjoy your show and wish it was a full show twice a week. I also like hearing Rob on both your show and Ken Blanchard’s “Black Man With a Gun” show. Thanks

Jim R
Richmond Hill GA


Email #2 – from Phoenix



We will have to agree to disagree on this. Perhaps it is just semantics, but I think your premise is wrong. A private sale, be it at a gun show or in my back yard, without a background check, is a loophole in selling firearms, since background checks are required by licensed retailers but not by private individuals.

When I say I am for closing the “gun show loophole”, I want to make sure guns aren’t being sold to felons. It’s a huge leap from “background check” to “registration of every firearm”. These as 2 separate things. You can run a background check and never list the firearm in a “gun registry database”.

If we all agree that it’s the bad person and not the bad gun that commits the crime, I don’t see how checking out the criminal record of an individual before selling him the gun is a problem. On the other hand, registration of any gun is a bad thing.

Just my opinions.

Ken S
Phoenix, AZ

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.


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