Episode 257 – Joe Chetwood

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 2nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Joe Chetwood of Crusader Weaponry.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, We also have our usual self defense news
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we also cover todays DGU’s
Rachel: so climb aboard
Gary: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 257 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- Last night I spent two hours in SIRT training with a new shooter. The student lives in California but spent the last few weeks reporting from the Texas border. She had an intense interest in self-defense after that experience. I had to break the bad news to her that we live in a “may issue” county in a “may issue” state. A Utah and Florida non-resident permit will give her most of what she needs.

Rachel- You mean the old story that the police will protect you.. and that our border is secure didn’t impress her?
Rob- Well, it left an impression all right.

Paul- Our new dogs are home!
Gary Daugherty wanted me to mention that Firearm Safety Institute is holding a concealed carry class August 16th and 17th in Villa Park Illinois. this class qualifies for Arizona and Florida non resident ccw classes. runs from 9am to 5 pm, you can register through the website or call 702-557-1644.

Rachel- Getting ready for Academy 31, my girls’ camp.

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Seg 2- News


Rachel- The watchdog group Judicial Watch sued the Department of Justice.. and won.  A federal court ordered the DOJ to turn over an index of materials related to the “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal.  The Obama administration first withheld the documents by claiming they were covered by executive privilege.  The judge said the content of the documents might be covered by executive privilege, but the public has a right to know who was involved in the discussion of Operation Fast and Furious.  The court ordered a detailed listing of all documents that the DOJ withheld from Congress along with an explicit justification for each withholding.  The documents are due October first.

Paul- I wonder if the DOJ will ask for delays until after the election.

Rob- Massachusetts gun owners lost their right to purchase a long gun even if they are not a prohibited person.  Police chiefs now have the unrestricted right to deny permission before Massachusetts citizens may purchase a long gun.  In theory, police chiefs must appear in court within 90 days to defend their reasoning for the denial of a license to a certain individual.

Paul- DC appealed and was granted a stay in the case of Palmer versus DC.  This case was brought against DC because they had a blanket prohibition on citizens carrying in the district.  Now politicians will go to work on DC gun owners.  The obvious political solution is that DC will allow the police chief to deny permits to anyone she wants.  That “may issue” or “good cause” solution, as practiced in New Jersey, has repeatedly passed legal review.

DC can also apply unusual regulations when they grant reciprocity.  For example, the district could deny reciprocity to a state because the state issues a firearms license for too long a period, has different domestic violence or different drug laws than DC.  Even if the laws are similar between DC and the state seeking reciprocity, the reporting requirements might be different.  Any excuse will do when you want to deny civil rights.

Rob comment- So DC could grant an annual firearms license with bizarre training requirements?

Yep. They could also demand that ammunition be certified by the police department. All this is before DC starts creating a labyrinth of “sensitive gun free zones”.  There are many ways to undermine the rights of DC citizens to protect themselves.

Rachel- I know we report on the unusual level of violence in Chicago, but there were only 19 people shot last weekend, and 54 shot this week so far, so that hardly makes the news.

Paul- Move along.  Nothing to see here.  These are not the self-defense statistics you’re looking for.

Rob- If you go to the country, then please leave the city behind.  William Baker was walking his dogs on Friday night on his property in rural Arco, Idaho.  That is where the owner of the neighboring KOA Campground approached him about having his gun holstered on his hip.  Someone had gone to the campground’s owner and complained about Baker walking armed. The campground owner Angela Dishman said they are just doing what they think is best for their business.  “We have tenters who … were scared to death, they had children, they had pets, they had families and they were scared.”

Baker says he wasn’t a threat and he wasn’t doing anything illegal open carrying as he walked his dog.

Rachel comment-  If you want to live in your over-regulated, gated Mc-Mansion with its Home Owners Association.. then don’t go out to the countryside.

Paul Comment- I knew someone who was terrified of dogs.  I told them not to buy one.

Gun Quotes
Paul- Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Author John Bradshaw.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interview with Joe Chetwood

Segment 4 DGUs

Paul- Witnesses in Tamassee, South Carolina say Bradley Payne and a homeowner were arguing outside when Payne threatened the homeowner.  The homeowner retreated to his home and told Payne not to enter.  Payne jerked open the screen door and entered the home before being shot in the hip by the homeowner.  The homeowner called 911.  No charges were brought against the homeowner.

Rachel- A homeowner grabbed her gun when she heard someone attempting to break into her Manatee County, FL home while her husband was out playing bridge.  The suspect had used a rock to break part of the Logans’ door and they seem to have fled once they realized there was an armed person inside the home.  She said, “I don’t know what was going on in my mind. Honestly all I wanted was my gun.  When I called 911, she kept saying put the gun down. Put the gun down and I said I’ll put the gun down when I see the police.”

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Paul- Email 1 Ken in AZ writes

Paul, I was listening to Hickok45’s latest “radio show”. He was talking about  the Civil War, and it got me to thinking. Isn’t it interesting how the firearm manufacturers were located in the Free States, 150 years ago. And today, the ones up North are leaving, and moving to the new Free States in the South. Such a coincidence that firearms are made in Free States? Maybe the South will rise again!

Phoenix, AZ

Rob Email #2 also from Ken in AZ

Paul, over the weekend, including one DGU on your show (from last week), there were 2 news items where criminals involved in home break-ins were shot by home-owners defending themselves. In both cases, the news reported the medical status of the “victims” who had been shot.

Something needs to be done to educate the news media about who isn’t a victim and who is. There’s a fundamental mind-set that’s out-of-whack and needs to be pointed out and needs to be changed when this kind of bad reporting keeps happening.

Stating what’s obvious to us, but not to the news media: The criminal isn’t the victim of the home break-in shooting.
That’s all for today.

Phoenix, AZ (free state)

Rachel e-mail # 3- This from another listener-

Below is a link to an article I found ludicrous and illustrates the extreme to which some anti-hunters are willing to go.  Thought it would make good material for your discussions.

I haven’t vetted the article to see if it is legit yet; but even if it is a hoax, it is just too good not to pass along.
Really enjoy the podcasts!


Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about “A Few Honest Men in America”.  We are our country’s conscience.  We sometimes think that the police and government determine right and wrong, but I found the thousands of times governments have turned a blind eye to mob rule.  We’ve had hundreds of cases of mob attacks and thousands of mob murders.  The article is at Clash Daily and at SlowFacts.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.