Episode 250 – Kathy Jackson and Frank Fiamingo

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday July 5th 2014 I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with author and instructor Kathy Jackson as well as Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have our weekly self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 250 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice with my SIRT pistol and handgun on Independence day.

John – We had family in town from Missouri yesterday and we all enjoyed the various displays of fireworks. They also brought me a T-Shirt from the MO Univ of Sci & Tech where my nephew is think of attending. The shirt said, “My mascot carries a gun” on the front and “Does Yours?” on the back. The school’s mascot is an old miner with a six-gun on his hip. I love it!

Paul – We have brought up our dog Dakota several times on the show. This week she left us. On the day she left us Dakota was 14 ½ years old exactly. Is seems to me that one of the cruel tricks that is played on us by God, or Mother nature, or whomever you believe in is that while humans have a lifespan that lasts 75 years or so our companions have life spans that are about ⅕ of that. I got home this morning and we got a call from the Veterinarian’s office saying that her ashes were back, and we brought her home.

Those that have had a 4 legged family member know the pain that Susan and I are going through. Dakota came to be a part of our family when she was 6 month’s old. She had been abused by her prior owner, and it took a lot of work for her to trust men, but after several months and a ton of love she finally trusted me and eventually she became comfortable around all adult males.
Like any canine family member Dakota took it on herself to be the family’s guardian, confidant, and occasionally troublemaker. She gave so much and all she ever wanted or expected in return was our love and attention. Those 2 things we poured on her. She was always our “Puppy” and “our baby girl” If you ever want to know what unconditional love is just get a pet like our little puppy. It didn’t matter what kind of day you were having, or if something wasn’t going right, or if she wasn’t feeling the best, we were the very focus of her entire existence always.

I posted that we lost Dakota on facebook Tuesday stating something to the effect that if I earned a spot in heaven and our Dakota was not there I would move along and find her because if she wasn’t good enough for heaven than I definitely had no place there. Thank you to everyone who replied offering kind words. There are 2 that I would like to bring up specifically. First Ben Cook said “If my animal friends are not in heaven, I’ll be sure to leave a trail to where I find them so that you can find us all there

Second there were several references to a poem called the rainbow bridge. If you all would indulge me I would like to read this short poem

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. Her bright eyes are intent; Her eager body quivers. Suddenly she begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, her legs carrying her faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross the Rainbow Bridge together….

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Seg 2- News

John 1- Gun-rights advocates won another victory in Chicago.  A judge approved almost a million dollars in legal fees that the city must pay to attorneys who challenged Chicago’s gun store ban.  The original lawsuit was filed in 2010 by an Illinois offshoot of the National Shooting Sports Foundation.  That battle isn’t over.  Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, anticipates a legal challenge to the city’s new rules regulating gun stores out of 99.5 percent of the city.  He said, “The ordinance is prohibitive.  If you look at the hidden costs of opening a gun store, I don’t know how a person could make a living selling firearms in the city of Chicago.”

Rob 2- There was another victory for the right to choose armed self-defense.  A Florida appellate court ruled that college and university campuses must allow students to store firearms in their cars on campus.  This allows adult students to attend school and remain armed when they work those late night jobs.  Contrary to the public claims of school administrators, negligent discharges remain extremely rare.  This is another small step toward self-protection in Florida.

John 3- A Kansas open carry bill went into effect on Tuesday.  It is now legal to openly carry a gun in a holster, in your hand, or carry a rifle on a sling.  Captain Rance Quinn of the Kansas City Police Department said they will still respond to calls of man with a gun, but the department will change how they handle the encounter.  Quote “…How are you doing today. I see that you are exercising your right to bear firearms. Is there anything I can do for you today?”

Rob Comment- Why yes, officer.  May I buy you a cup of coffee while we talk about your department sponsoring more firearms training for the general public?

Rob 4- The attention seeking anti-gun Virginia State Delegate, Joe Morrissey, once carried an AK-47 onto the Virginia statehouse floor.  Now he faces criminal charges for having sex with the 17-year-old receptionist in his office.  A special grand jury charged the Virginia politician with supervisory indecent liberties with a minor, electronic solicitation of a minor, possession of child pornography, distribution of child pornography and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

Comment- He was only following Bill Clinton’s example.

John – This is the same Joe Morrissey who as the State’s Atty for Richmond was disbarred for among other things, fist fights in the courtroom. Why is that anti-gun activists are so violent?

John 5- Here is a good example from law enforcement, and from a small police department at that.  Police Chief Michael Combs found out there were no firearms safety courses offered in the county, so  Chief Combs decided to offer his own course.  The department will host a classroom and firing range sessions at the Goodwill Fire Company on July 19th.  Pennsylvania is a shall-issue state and there are no training requirement for ownership or a carry license.  I think the Chief’s decision makes citizens safer!

Rob Comment- Thank you, Chief Combs.

Rob 6- Some gun-grabbing activist groups tell you that real women want to be helpless.  Not me.  I’ll remind you that the number of women who own guns has been rising rapidly.  The percentage of women who own a gun nearly doubled from 2005 to 2011.  Those guns are not gathering dust.  A growing number of women are at the range and taking classes.  Women are on the cutting edge of self-defense.  I offer as example of the students I see and the students of our frequent guest Kathy Jackson.

Rob- There is a list of women’s gun groups on my blog site Everytown for Gun Safety.wordpress.com

John 7- We’re not sure if it was on purpose or an accident.  On the first of July, a poorly written law in Mississippi exempted disabled military veterans from paying some hunting and registration fees.  Unfortunately, the law it required veteran submit to a disability review by the Veterans Administration.  Many veterans will decline that opportunity, thank you.  The bill also required non-veterans to submit to a mental health exam at the will of the Mississippi state police.  It isn’t clear how the bill will be implemented by law enforcement.  Gun owners need a strong state organization that takes a critical look at legislation.  This legislation may have taken Mississippi back to “may issue” status.

Paul 8- This probably wasn’t the answer they were looking for.  The MSNBC network conducted a poll asking, “Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public?” 84 thousand people answered.  88% chose “Yes! The Second Amendment guarantees the right to carry in pubic.  Another 4% chose “Only for self-defense.” and 8 percent said carrying a gun is too dangerous.

John Comment- I didn’t know MSNBC had 84 thousand viewers.

John 9- Because of changes in the Georgia gun laws, churches in Georgia now have an opt-in or opt-out policy towards concealed carry while at church.  An Episcopal bishop in Georgia said he will forbid concealed carry in church.  Other congregations have accepted concealed carry. Pastor Tom Rush said, “Quite frankly, we may have some people in our church that are uncomfortable with the idea… You know, I grew up in a day when we left the sanctuary doors open so people could come in at any time and pray. Unfortunately, we don’t live in those days anymore.”

This is part of a larger social trend of our culture splitting into isolated tribes.  Honest gun owners have had to choose which stores to enter based on the store’s no-guns policy.  Now that decision includes churches as well.

Rob- This issue isn’t confined to Georgia.  I live in California.  Last year a nearby church took an anti-self-defense petition to a city council.  The church’s public statements sounded inclusive, but their claims were wildly inaccurate.  I asked to speak with the church committee but they ignored me and never returned my calls.

Rob 10- In California, Assembly bill 1014 remains in committee.  The bill creates a new law aimed directly at California gun owners.  The bill requires police to proactively confiscate firearms and hold them for one year with no due process based solely on an accusation made by an immediate family member, a law enforcement officer or any health professional.

The person filing the complaint only has to believe quote “the gun owner poses a significant risk of personal injury to himself, herself, or another by having under his or her custody and control, owning, purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm.”  close quote.  One anti-gun doctor could declare all California gun owners mentally unfit.

John Comment- so will every vindictive divorce lawyer.

Rob Comment- We commented last week on California’s failing grades for mental health treatment.  They aren’t doing any better this week.

Paul Gun Quotes- The American Revolution was a beginning, not a consummation, said by President Woodrow Wilson.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Seg 3 Interview with Kathy Jackson and Frank Fiamingo

Questions for Frank
Frank, earlier this week Governor Christie vetoed the magazine capacity bill that was on his desk, could you talk a little bit about that?

Are there any other bills related to gun rights that are still on his desk?
Why are gun owners blamed for violence?
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Questions for Kathy

Thanks for coming on Kathy, It’s been a while since we were able to have you on for a long form interview and I am so happy that we found a hole in your schedule so that you could join us tonight! I would like to discuss a few of the more recent blog posts. The first one that I would really like to cover is one you titled “Strength and Weakness” where you talk about a the recent Miss USA pageant winner and her take on self defense, in reference to a Larry Correa post. Could you talk a little bit about that?

Another post that I really liked was one of your shorter posts from late May entitled “He Didn’t Deserve That” One unfortunate side effect of our society is that everyone seems to be suing for everything. I thought that this post was quite illuminating in that it seems to have spread to some sectors of public opinion. Could you talk a little bit about that post?

Rob- Kathy, in one of your posts you said You’re never disarmed. “Your ultimate resource for self-defense are the things you carry inside yourself.” Would you tell our listeners more about that?

Guns and alcohol?

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob 1- Two young men walked into Marlene’s jewelry store in Fresno, California.  The two men looked at the display cases and slowly moved towards the cash register in the back of the store.  That is where one of the thieves pulled out a gun and pointed it at one of the store employees while demanding cash and jewelry.  Seconds later, the store owner pointed his shotgun around the corner from the back room of the store.  The unarmed thief yelled “shoot them” as he dropped and ran towards the door, but the armed thief turned and followed his cowardly compatriot.  Both young thieves were caught on video and are very lucky to be alive.

Paul 2- Thieves tried to steal a vehicle parked in front of a home in Wasilla, Alaska.  When that failed, they tried to force their way inside the home through the kitchen door.  The 65-year-old homeowner called 911 and then fired a single shot.  She missed, but the criminals turned and ran.  They were long gone by the time state troopers arrived.

Citizens are the first responders, either as witnesses or as victims.

John – comment – if the homeowner was a few years older, I might have guessed it was my first cousin Ginny who lives in Wasilla!

John 3- This man is my hero.  A Centralia, Washington man and his girlfriend were sitting in their living room when a homeless 43-year-old stranger entered their home armed with a knife.  The homeowner grabbed his shotgun and ordered the intruder out of the house. They both walked outside, but instead of leaving, the intruder pushed the homeowner down a flight of stairs on the back porch. The intruder then grabbed a machete sitting on the porch and approached the homeowner.  Rather than shooting his attacker, the homeowner hit him with the butt of his shotgun, putting him on the ground and holding him there until the police arrived.  The homeowner preserved the life of a drug addled man.  Sheriff Steve Mansfield said. “This is another example of why citizens need to take all possible precautions and be prepared if something like this occurs.”

Do you have that much restraint after getting pushed down the stairs?

Rob 4- Well your hero has some competition.   My hero is Orlandous Brown who suffers from cerebral palsy and needs a wheelchair.  Orlandous came home Thursday morning in the company of his friend Latisha Vernon and Latisha’s 17-year-old daughter.  That is when he discovered that someone was already inside his Easly, South Carolina home and was robbing the place.  The thief was armed, but so was Orlandous.  Latisha and her daughter fled the home and called 911.  Deputies moved the women a safe distance away, and entered the home a few minutes later.  They found 33 year old Orlandous wounded from a single round and they also found the intruder, 26-year-old Darin Lowe, dead from multiple gunshot wounds.

Orlandous was transported by ambulance to the local hospital where he underwent surgery and is expected to make a full recovery. Police believe Orlandous may have been targeted because he is disabled and the dead intruder thought he was an easy target.

Comment- The thief thought wrong.

Paul 5- There is no way and no reason to pretty this up.  Gun control kills.  Two armed teenagers shot a couple as they walked on the sidewalk of Newark, New Jersey.  The murderers told the couple to kneel.  They shot 17-year-old Cheyanne Bond in the head execution style.  Her boyfriend survived.  The money Bond’s family had set aside for the teenager’s tuition at nursing school will go toward her funeral.  The crime rate in New Jersey has exploded since gun-prohibition was enacted in the late 1960s.  Now, long time politician and anti-gun Newark Mayor Ras Baraka has the murder rate he worked for.

New Jersey murder rate

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.