Episode 233 – Jim Irvine and Julie

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, April 30th 2014. I’m John Richardson.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have an interview with Jim Irvine and one of his students at FASTER, that is Faculty / Administrator Safety Training & Emergency Response.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use,so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rachel: and hang on! Episode 233 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob- NRA convention. Met a few listeners and facebook friends.

Rick and Rob

Rick Ector and Rob Morse

Rob- John and I have a review of the NRA Convention, but first, a quote for Rachel.

Gun culture 2.0 was in full bloom at the NRA convention. Gun culture 1.0 was rural, centered around hunting, predominantly white, and well to do. Gun culture 2.0 is urban, motivated by self-defense, and it includes both sexes, all classes and races. The phrase “NRA country” should probably change to “NRA city or NRA suburb.”

If you’re a minority outside the gun culture, then it probably takes a year to feel welcome at the range or gun store. You’ll come with your sponsor or a sponsoring organization, but it takes a dozen chaperoned visits before you feel like you belong in the new environment.

There are a lot of interesting people at the NRA convention. I got to thank David Kopel for the Colorado court case. I got to meet the Colorado second amendment association and Laura Carno from I am created equal and also from Colorado. I also got to talk with Anthony Calandro again. That interview will come in a later episode. I met Marty and Gila Hayes, Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin, Kathy Jackson, Rick Ector, Rob Pincus, Jim Irvine, Kyle Coplen, Alan Gottlieb and outgoing NRA president David Keene. I talked with Kenn Blanchard, Dave Cole, Bob Owens and Mark Walters.

The vendor’s hall was filled with experts from gunpowder to credit card processing. Rachel, you missed it.

There were 75 thousand members at the convention, yet I saw friends before I’d gone 100 yards into the conference center. Gun inspections found a live one round, and here is a clip from one of our listeners who was inspecting the firearms.

What did you guys do?

John – I was able to attend two days of the NRA Annual Meeting. For me, it was more about the people than the new products. I caught up with a lot of other bloggers as well as others in the gun culture. Among the people I met was Mike Fifer, CEO of Ruger, who was at the Ruger booth meeting all who came by. I was also able to do an interview from revolversmith and trainer Grant Cunningham which we will have in a later podcast.

I was also able to meet up with a lot of the people who had attended the Lucky Gunner Blogger Shoot back in 2011. I saw Sebastian, Tam, Tom McHale, Kenn Blanchard, Jaci Janes, Mike Mollenhaur, John Cresanto, Bob Owens, and Linoge. I think a few who were there but it was great to catch up with them.

The one thing I missed was the Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors demonstration. Given that they want us to be disarmed and not able to provide for our own security, I wondered if Shannon Watts would have an armed security team. And guess what, she did! Moreover, all of those who attended this “grassroots” event had their travel and lodging paid for with Bloomberg’s money. This contrasts with all 75,267 of us who got to the NRA Annual Meeting on our own dime and who provided for our own security.MDA insanity

Rob- My friend and fellow gun rights activist Kenn Blanchard was sitting next to two Bloomberg Moms as he flew out to Indianapolis from DC.

Rachel- personal news and ankle repair service. No dancing with the stars for a few weeks.

Rachel and Melanie

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Seg 2- News

John – Indiana is shall issue and allows carry in bars and restaurants. The number of women with Indiana concealed carry licenses has increased by 20 percent in each of the last two years.

Rob -A gunman opened fire on co-workers before taking his own life.  The Federal Express employee in Kennesaw, Georgia had been reprimanded by his supervisor for shining a laser pointer on fellow employees.  He came back with a gun.  The employee wounded six co-workers before taking his own life.  Like the other examples of public violence, the employees at the sorting facility were disarmed because the workplace is a gun free zone.FED EX gun free

I expect two things.  The murderer had mental health issues, and Fed Ex deserves a great big lawsuit for leaving  their employees defenseless.

Rachel – Oklahoma resolution 1026 will go to the voters after passing both the house and senate.  The resolution adds language to the Oklahoma constitution.  It describes that bearing arms means to carry.  It says that arms includes firearms, knives and non lethal tools like defensive sprays.  It protects ammunition and magazines as well as firearms.  It says you can’t impose special taxes on “arms”.  The citizens of Oklahoma can vote on it in November.

John – Pennsylvania gun owners and sympathetic legislators took to the capitol steps on Saturday.  Several hundred activists turned out along with dozens of legislators.  Legislators spoke in support of constitutional carry and the right to carry into an employers parking lot.  They also advocated elimination of the redundant Pennsylvania instant background check system.  Pennsylvania is a long long way from New York.

Rob -Utah Representative Chris Stewart introduced a bill to cut funding for any “paramilitary units” that work for the Bureau of Land Management, the Internal Revenue Service and other federal regulatory agencies. He cited concerns with the armed federal agents who occupied the Bundy ranch in Nevada. “There are lots of people who are really concerned when the BLM shows up with its own SWAT team.  They’re regulatory agencies. They’re not paramilitary units, and I think that concerns a lot of us.”

Rob- I looked and did not find the Stewart bill on PopVox yet.

Rob- The Peruta court decision in California opened the floodgates for concealed carry in some California counties.  4 thousand county residents applied in the two months since the court decision.   This required 14 new staff members in the Orange County Sheriff’s office to process the applications.  The wait for the required interview is currently 30 months.

Rachel-Illinois Carry reports that a lawsuit was filed in the 7th Judicial Circuit Court.  The suit was filed to secure due process for those who have been denied an Illinois Concealed Carry License by the CCL Review Board.  The board does not need to disclose why an applicant was rejected.  There is no opportunity to appeal to the CCL Review Board for a review of the denial. The suit asks the court to issue an order reversing and remanding the denials.

In Illinois you can deny a fundamental and enumerated civil right without having to show cause.  Hmm.  That hardly sounds like “the land of Lincoln.”

John- Fox news commentator Juan Williams called for disarming all americans.  He then admitted that his wife wanted a gun after she was robbed and carjacked while sitting at an Automatic Teller Machine.  We’ve long heard the clever comment that a liberal is one mugging away from being a conservative.  It sounds like Misses Williams is on her way to conversion.

Rob- Also in California, A republican senator proposed shall issue legislation.  His bill was rejected in committee along a party line vote. It is hard to say you are a democrat in California and support a woman’s right to choose self-defense.  Some sheriffs lobbied against the bill also because it takes away some of their ability to .. solicit donations.

Rachel- Gun Quotes
“I declare to you that a woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand.” –Susan B. Anthony

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after these interviews with Jim Irvine and Julie of the Ohio Faculty / Administrator Safety Training & Emergency Response program.
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Seg 3 Interviews

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- Robbery is a tough line of work, but this one had an unusual retirement plan.  28 year old Reginald Melancon entered an apartment in East Oak Cliff, Dallas, Texas.  Melancon was armed and held the occupants at gunpoint in an attempted robbery.  One of the occupants pulled a gun from under a couch and shot Melancon several times.  The robber was transported to Baylor medical center where he died.  None of the residents were injured.  They are cooperating with police and have not been charged.

John- A Detroit homeowner got her concealed carry permit last year.  It paid off yesterday when an intruder used a crowbar to smash his way into her home.  The homeowner immediately called 911.  She yelled to the intruder that they were at home.  She yelled she had a gun.  When the intruder finally smashed his way into the home, she fired.  The intruder was taken to the hospital with a gunshot wound in the arm.

Rob- did I mention I saw Rick Ector (Firearms Academy of Detroit)  at the NRA convention in Indianapolis?

Rachel- A couple of purse-snatchers in Houston found their target – a woman shopping with her children — grabbed the purse, and were attempting a getaway when a Good Samaritan intervened. The on-looker pulled his weapon and held the purse snatchers at gunpoint while he waited for the police to arrive. Another witness snapped a picture, which has been circling the internet.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.  We have an advertisement from the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, and then a tips and tricks segment from Kenn Blanchard.

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Rob- We received a few listener e-mails about state legislation. I wanted to wait until the legislation passes or fails so we don’t cover the same legislation 6 times. My fault.

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Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: http://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/you-are-the-gun-culture/

John: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

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Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

John: We’re trying a slight change in our schedule. The weekend show will go live at 6:30 pm central time Saturday. That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rachel: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

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