Episode 432 – William Aprill, Shelley Hill, Marty Hayes, National CCR and the boyfriend who wouldn’t take NO for an answer

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: William Aprill and Shelley Hill part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: William Aprill and Shelley Hill part 2

5- Interview Segment 3: Marty Hayes

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:


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1- Introduction

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, Dec. 4th, 2017 I’m John Richardson

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Dr. William Aprill and Shelley Hill about intimate partner violence.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and we’ll talk about finally getting moving on national concealed carry reciprocity.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormak We’ll interview Marty Hayes about women going to jail after defending themselves for domestic violence.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about a boyfriend that wouldn’t take no for an answer… so climb aboard

Tracy: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

John:  episode 432 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant 

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories.  That was on his Lock and Load Radio program. I released another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories and had Tony Simon as my co-host. Lots of my instructors are having internet problems and I’m having recording problems. Fortunately I have paper books to read, like Ken Murrey’s Learning at the Speed of Life.


John -I installed my new Liberty handgun safe in our bedroom this week. Even though we don’t have young children, there will be times when my granddaughter Olivia and her yet to be named little sister will be visiting. Other than that, Barb took Olivia to Disney on Ice this weekend and we also took in a small town Christmas parade. Olivia get more candy there than at Halloween.

Rob( John, I have the Liberty HD100. You?) HD-300

Rob- Ah, the doublewide.




Tracy – I had the pleasure of having lunch yesterday with our good friend (and official physician of the Polite Society Podcast), Dr. John Edeen. He and I are shooting the MAG-120 next week in Live Oak, Florida. We ate jaegerschnitzel and made plans for next week. I feel grossly unprepared for the class, as I have spent the majority of the past two weeks giving personal instruction. Everyone, wish us luck!


Belle – Marty will be joining you in Florida, Tracy. He’s been getting ready today to fly out. Had our annual FAS Staff meeting over the weekend, good to see the whole group together. Everyone is set with their teaching assignments for 2018 and looking forward to the next training season.


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Tracy – I’m teaching the MAG-20 range at KR Training January 27-28. Mas Ayoob and Marty Hayes are teaching Judicious Use of Deadly Force Instructor Jan 31-Feb 4, also at KR Training. Go to www.krtraining.com for more information and to sign up.


Belle – PSP/ASIC on July 24th-26th at FAS has 7 openings left. 2 spots today went to none other than – Mas Ayoob and Gail Pepin! Call the FAS Office, M-F, 9-4 Pacific time to get on the roster for this special class!


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2- News



After what has seemed like forever since the election of President Trump, the first Bill to promote National Reciprocity of CCW was moved to Committee debate on Wednesday November 28th. The vote was an ironic 19-11 in favor. It will be presented to the House floor for a full vote on Wednesday December 5th in the afternoon. As it currently stands, holders of a permit from “any state” will be able to carry in all states. The current Senate draft of the bill however requires that a permit from one’s home state must be held. As an added benefit, the House Bill also appears to shred magazine capacity laws.


Listeners to the show will remember very well the sad case of Shaneen Allen, whose experience after declaring her legal PA concealed firearm to a New Jersey Police officer was horrific; additional  cases involving members of the military and general citizens in places such as New York City are also well known. House Bill 38 is designed to prevent such miscarriages of justice.


The debate lasted all day. Amendments were presented to many topics – some related to the Bill and some to the usual talking points (such as “Universal” background checks). Some were minor, while some would have effectively nullified the Bill if it were to become law. Many of the amendments showed an almost complete ignorance of the processes of obtaining a CCW permit in the various States. All of the detrimental amendments were defeated, two (to allow Federal Judges to carry in any state and to allow retired and off-duty Law Enforcement officers to carry in gun-free school zones) did pass. The Bill was recorded as “reported favorably” to the House at 4.54pm


The House Rules Committee is expected to issue a rule to send this bill to the floor for a vote on Wednesday, Dec. 6th. The bill to be voted on combines concealed carry reciprocity with the Fix NICS Act passed out of the House Judiciary Committee in the same markup hearings.


Listeners are encouraged to contact their House Representatives to encourage them to vote “yes” on this key bill. We need to now look for the parallel bill in the Senate.


SOURCE: Live via YouTube.


John – Rep. Richard Hudson states that not only those with permits but those who live in constitutional states will also be covered by the bill.

Rob- Bargaining chips.


John – The anti’s are geared up. I just saw something put out by Giffords that gives scripts and fill-in the blank letters for calling and writing.





We may not need more data to support the National Reciprocity movement, but we certainly need to get the good stories about CCW holders out to a broader audience.


Here is a prime example of the Good Guys doing their work correctly. At 4.30 pm on Saturday November 25th, two legally armed citizens stopped the threat presented by a murderer.


The attacker shot two people, killing one and paralyzing another, at which point the two good guys intervened, stopping the attacker with their defensive handguns.


If they had not, things could have been much worse. The local Police Chief said: “The attacker had multiple magazines on his person.  He was intent on doing harm. The employees stepped up and prevented customers, employees, and other vendors who were in the business at the time from sustaining further injuries. They did a good job.”


In the week when the House may well vote on the National Reciprocity legislation, it’s important to let your State and Federal representatives know that the Good Guys are out there, working for us all, every day.













Some of us will have been aware of a recent clarification from our friends at ATF, regarding the prohibition of medical and recreational marijuana users from owning firearms. The 4473 form has been altered to specifically highlight this drug. This is Federal Law, so it applies across the whole country, including marijuana-liberalized states such as Colorado and Washington, and traditionally gun-friendly states such as Arizona


Recently, three states have begun the process of collecting firearms from citizens who have medical marijuana cards. Hawaii,  Florida and Pennsylvania are all issuing notices to gun owning marijuana users that they have to “turn them in”. Of course, to do this, there must be registries of gun ownership and medical MJ use, that can be cross-referenced.


We wonder whether this slow creep of state-legalized marijuana use is another part of the progressive long-game to prevent the upcoming generation from being able to own, and perhaps even handle, firearms.


We urge listeners to be on the look out for ballot initiatives or the like for the legalization of marijuana in your state and think carefully before voting for them, if you value your gun-rights, and those of the next generation.


Rob- All elections have consequences.

John – The only alternative is to remove the prohibition on marijuana from federal law. It actually may be counterproductive to resolving the opioid crisis.

Belle- I gotta agree with John












Rob- Gun Quotes-

The bill of rights isn’t about us, it’s about them.  It isn’t a list of thing we’re permitted to do.  It’s a list of things THEY aren’t allowed to even consider.  L. Neil Smith


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Dr William April and Shelley Hill.



3- Interview 1

William Aprill –

Interpersonal violence- murder suicide

Belle- it’s not a question of not recognizing it as much as it’s being embarrassed or ashamed by what is often perceived as allowing the behavior to occur. As far as “charging in” as Rachel said, this is a thing! I was that girl. I was a victim of the false confidence that made me basically say “try it buddy’ and then got hammered. As far as what Rachel said about asking-sometimes you have to GENTLY ask repeatedly, and ease them into being comfortable with opening up to you and enduring that embarrassment


If you want to help, you have to be willing to accept the burden of that-things you think are silly. You have to be willing to let them work through their plan the way that will allow them to follow through.





4- Interview 2

Marty Hayes – ACLDN

Women are prosecuted after they defend themselves from an abusive relationship.

Belle- What advice would you give to avoid this?

To all of you- how can we convince women to do what it takes to help themselves ie: get training?


Belle 5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


John- Jacksonville Florida

In June, Michael Turner couldn’t leave well enough alone.  He broke out the window of an apartment in Jacksonville Florida.  The apartment was that of his ex-girlfriend.

Turner had been arrested previously on a felony domestic strangulation charge in 2016.  He strangled then punched his former girlfriend until she lost consciousness.  The charges were later dropped.

Police stated that they received a call about multiple shots fired just before 6 AM.  When they arrived at the apartment, they found the abusive ex-boyfriend dead after receiving multiple gunshot wounds.

Leaders with Hubbard House, an anti-domestic abuse organization, said unfortunately, there are a lot of misconceptions about women in abusive relationships.

Hubbard House CEO Ellen Siler said.”People assume that if the woman will just leave, everything’s going to be OK, and that isn’t always the case,” “There’s ongoing stalking and ongoing threats, so if you’re going to leave, it’s important for you to have a plan to safely leave, which Hubbard House can help you with.”

As of June, this was the 12th domestic related homicide in the Jacksonville in 2017 to that point.


Rob- Do you have access to your gun?


Tracy- Panola County Mississippi

It has been said that a protection or restraining order is only as strong as the paper that it has been printed on.  It did slow Phyllis Hamm’s estranged husband away.

Just 5 days after the order expired, James Clinton Hamm showed up at the residence they had shared outside Batesville, Mississippi and attempted to enter.  She had locked the door and tried to wedge a jack to keep the door shut.  Mr. Hamm was able to unlock the door then kicked it, which slid the jack out of the way.

As he entered the home, she fired her .22 caliber revolver and fatally injured her estranged late husband.  She had expressed her fear and had issues as part of their divorce in the past including finding a butcher knife stuck in the back porch.

Mrs. Hamm was taken into custody and put on a hold in the county jail pending a decision to indict or not by the Panola County Grand Jury, but she was later released.

Rob- Rachel said it is hard to shoot your ex.


Gary- Zephyr Hills Florida

Alejandria Guinn exercised her right to own a firearm and used it to defend herself.  When she was visited by her ex-boyfriend late one night, she had reason to fear for her life.

Frank Harrison has previously threatened to hurt her and when she saw him standing outside her home, armed with an AR style rifle, she had reason to fear for her life.

She scrambled to get her gun then made her way to the front door.  She opened the door and came out shooting.  She managed to end the threat permanently without getting herself shot.

While the police initially determined she had probably acted in self-defense so she wasn’t arrested or charged, they also have not found any records of past injunctions filed by Guinn against Harrison.


Tracy – Why did she open the door?

Rob- Get the paperwork.  Call the police.  Make your attacker come to you.

Rob- Eastlake Ohio

When Lake County Ohio Police responded to a call from a distraught woman they found more than just that woman.  They also found the woman’s ex-boyfriend on the floor with a gunshot wound to the leg and a pool of blood surrounding him.

The aggressive ex-boyfriend broke into her home and the woman responded with an equal show of force to end her perceived threat.  The man was transported to the hospital where he later succumbed to the loss of blood from his wound.

The handgun was secured at the scene and both the woman and another witness were brought in for questioning.  The unnamed woman has not been charged.

Rob- Have a gun, and preferably more than one.

Belle- Eastern Kentucky

Krystal Shepard has placed a warrant for assault against Brandon Endicott in September after he hit and kneed her causing her to receive 16 stitches and broken bones in her face.

When the man entered her home one morning shortly afterwards, Ms. Shepard defended herself.  Endicott was found deceased in a neighboring yard and a stray bullet went into a neighboring mobile home.

She had not been charged and the case was being sent to the grand jury.

Rob- there is no cover in a mobile home park.


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Gary: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?





You just might be a liberal hypocrite if…

As a star of the socialist news media, you act offended by President Trump’s talk of grabbing a woman’s sex..while off-camera you are busy raping women in your office.

As a liberal news caster you act indignant as you grill the conservative talk show host who is facing charges of sexual assault..while you are praying your own victims remain silent.


My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.


It has been mostly news stories this past week involving HR 38 and national reciprocity with a little bit thrown in about a new lawsuit that our friends at SAF and Firearms Policy Coalition have sprung on California over their bullet button AWB.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.




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John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Dr. William Aprill, Shelley Hill, and Marty Hayes) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, Paul, Rachel, Susan, Craig, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

Belle: and we’ll see you down the road.


Episode 431 – Willes Lee and News about Surplus 1911’s

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Willes Lee, Part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Willes Lee, Part 2

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:


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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday November 27th,2017  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Willes Lee about today’s NRA.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the real possibility that we will be able to buy surplus 1911s from the Civilian Marksmanship Program!

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about a suspect that pick the wrong pickup truck… so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 431 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- I carried every day.


John – I recently received a gimbal stick like Gail Pepin had at Amm-Con. I’ve paired that with a directional microphone and a bracket. I’m hoping to produce some videos from the Industry Day at the Range and from the SHOT Show itself. Other than that, I did some shopping over the weekend and otherwise just was a stuffed podcaster.






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2- News




In what will be considered good news by many many US gun owners, one of the provisions of the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act, about to be signed into law by the President, will allow the release of thousands of surplus 1911s to the civilian market, an estimated one hundred thousand, to be more exact.


The guns will be fed out through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. Their website says that they have not yet decided how sales will be handled, or processed, but that they are expecting “exceedingly high demand” for these iconic handguns.







John – Just to clarify for anyone interested, you must belong to a CMP affiliated club and you must show proof of marksmanship. The latter could be your military discharge papers, a C&R FFL, your CCW, or your instructor credentials.




The Supreme Court has given us two significant victories in past years. The “Heller” and “McDonald” cases enshrined in law the concept that every American has the right to have a firearm, to “keep” and “bear”. This has made significant impacts in States such as New Jersey, where there was no commitment to the 2nd Amendment in the State Constitution.  However, more recently, SCOTUS has declined to expand these decisions into the realm of defensive carry outside the home, or to prevent erosion of access to commonly used firearms, such as the AR-15 style rifle. This sad process was reinforced again today (Nov 27), when two cases were denied a hearing.


So in total, SCOTUS has recently declined to hear five important 2A cases: Peruta v California, Kolbe v Hogan, Norman v Florida, Stephens v NJ and Purpura v NJ. Why is this? Are there too few votes to be certain of victory, Justice Gorsuch notwithstanding, or are the cases being weeded out by members of the Clerking Pool, without the Justices ever getting to actually consider them?


With the ever-gathering clouds of anti-gun legislation appearing on State and Federal horizons, we need a supportive SCOTUS working for us. Please be vigilant, and write to your State and Federal representatives to tell them to vote against anti-2A legislation, and to support pro-2A bills.













John – I have been busy today and was unaware that Kolbe v Hogan had cert denied today. That just sucks. It leaves in place the horrendous decision by the 4th Circuit. I would love to know who voted to hear the case and who voted it down.

Rob- we are running out of test cases. There is so much settled law in each circuit that it becomes harder to bring up a challenge case.





A failure of the military authorities to notify the civilian NICS system contributed to the mass murder of worshipers in a small Texan church by an individual whose military background should have prevented him from owning a firearm, thereby allowing the murderer to acquire multiple firearms, apparently legally. Now, Attorney General Sessions has asked for a review of the NICS system, to ensure that relevant military information is integrated correctly.


A bipartisan bill is proposed in the US Senate that would mandate such integration, which has been in the works since 2007








Gun Quotes-

The only way to make sure your gun will always be there when you need it is to always carry it.  Massad Ayoob


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Willes Lee.



3- Interview 1 Lieutenant Colonel Willes K. Lee USA (Ret) is a member of the NRA Board of Directors from Hawaii and Virginia. He is a Benefactor Life member, serving on five NRA committees. Lee is a West Point graduate, U.S Army combat veteran, who served 26 years as a Defender of Freedom. Willes is the President of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies, a co-Chairman of the Trump-Pence Second Amendment Coalition, a member of the Council for National Policy, and on the board of the American Conservative Union Foundation, hosts of CPAC. He is a former GOP State Chairman and RNC member. Follow Lee www.WillesLee.com, Twitter and Instagram @WillesLee, and www.Facebook.com/WillesLeeNRA.



  1. Let’s talk a little NRA. When the general public thinks NRA they usually think lobbying organization, but there is more to the NRA than that right?
  2. I first met you at the SAF GRPC, so you are working with other gun rights organizations as well, how do you think the NRA does in teaming up with other gun rights organizations?
  3. We have had a few setbacks announced recently at SCOTUS, what are your thoughts?
  4. What can we do to get more workhorses like you on the NRA BOD as opposed to some of the show horses who lend their name but don’t show up?
  5. Trump Advisory board


4- Interview 2


5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


It’s a Texas week for Defensive Gun Uses.


You Don’t Treat my Daughter that Way

A day-long argument in Denton Texas ended with the victim’s stepfather pulling his pistol in a no shoot defensive gun usage and the aggressive male roommate in jail.

The fight started in the early morning at the apartment where the 23-year-old victim lived.  The suspect, 31-year-old Chad Knapp, had taken some of the woman’s Adderall pills.  Adderall is used to treat ADHD and narcolepsy.

He was kicking and throwing things before he left the apartment through a back window with the pills.  The victim confronted him in front of the apartment as he got into his vehicle.  She attempted to grab the pills from the car.  The suspect pushed her hard and threw her backwards into a brick wall.  The force of hitting the wall caused her to fall to the ground at which point he started to drive away.

A nearby witness attempted to stop him by jumping on the hood of the car and was thrown off, suffering a small cut on her hand.

The victim was taken to the hospital where police noticed bruising on her arms from being grabbed.  Her head also hurt and her back had abrasions from the brick wall.

She returned to her apartment at about 8 PM with her stepfather who had a license to carry a concealed weapon.  As they were trying to get the door open, the suspect approached them with a hammer.  Her stepfather then presented his pistol.

Knapp was held in Denton City Jail on charges of Assault causing bodily injury and deadly conduct.


Woman shoots teen intruder in head and Marine defends himself

A Houston Texas woman was home alone when she heard someone breaking into her home at 2 AM.  When she investigated the sound, one of the teenagers hiding behind her couch jumped up.  At that point, she shot the suspect in the head.

She is not facing any charges but as per usual, the case will be sent to a grand jury.

About 3 miles away on Friday night, a group of four teens tried robbing a man at gunpoint.  That man, a retired Marine, pulled his pistol from the front pouch of his hoodie and fired back and hit one of the teens.  The injured teen’s mother took him to a hospital and he was expected to survive.  The teens were caught on a neighbor’s surveillance camera before the ambush and as they ran away.

It was not known if the two incidents are related but the area has seen an escalation of roving gang activity.



Rob- I used a flashlight with my students. They find that exercise shocking.


Chase suspect picks wrong pickup truck

On Sunday morning, Vidor Texas Police were notified by the Louisiana State Patrol that they were chasing a black Acura at speeds over 100 miles per hour on Interstate 10.  As the Acura approached the 855B off ramp, law enforcement laid down the stop sticks which disabled the car.

Ahead in a pickup truck heading the same direction, Tony Alford spotted the smoking car coming towards them and pulled over to get out of the way.  Diego Gomez, the MS-13 gang member, driving the Acura pulled in behind them and jumped up in the bed of the truck.  Alford jumped out of the truck and held the criminal at gunpoint until law enforcement pulled up.

While Alford held his gun on Gomez, Vidor Police and Texas DPS troopers deployed tasers.  The gangbanger ripped the prongs out and attempted to fight officers.  He was cuffed during the struggle.

While they had him sitting on the ground waiting to EMS to arrive, he gained his feet and ran from the scene but was captured a second time.

Alford’s wife said that he was prepared for the worst-case scenario.  “He was that far from getting a bullet,” she said.

Gomez is facing charges of evading arrest in a motor vehicle and aggravated kidnapping.  Louisiana was seeking charges for fleeing and traffic violations.  In North Carolina, he is facing charges including assault on a peace officer.



Paul –

Rob- I bet the toxicology reports were interesting.


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Hello Everybody –

Really enjoying your format modifications with all the new voices and personalities, nice work.

What I have for you is not some great new revelation or heady political analysis ….but  it’s better than recipes…I am kidding Susan!

I wrote this a while ago this past summer when Venezuela was front-and-center, but I never hit “Send.” I guess I thought it was rather obvious and mundane. But now with the heinous evil acts carried out in Las Vegas and Texas, there seems to be renewed calls to vacate or significantly modify the political foundational documents of America.

Considering what is happening in Venezuela, I thought this short story from our own American history might be timely. The below information is from the book “The Debate on the Constitution, Federalist and Antifederalist Speeches, Articles, and Letters During the Struggle over Ratification – Part I.” edited by Bernard Bailyn, 1993.

Shortly after adjournment of the Philadelphia Convention in September 1778, the colonial citizenry began the very public debate on the new American Constitution. In lieu of our current day social media, and with a lot more eloquence than our cryptic Tweeter quips, the citizens debated the virtues and follies of the new American Constitution in the newspapers, printed pamphlets and public letters. The press and local public speaking events were used to extol, ridicule, or just question the virtues, of the newly inked Constitution.

One such presentation was made on October 17, 1787 in the Philadelphia press by “A Citizen of America,” which was an alias (a Twitter Handle) for Noah Webster. He wrote…

“Another source of power in government is a military force. But this, to be efficient, must be superior to any force that exists among the people, or which they can command; for otherwise this force would be annihilated, on the first exercise of acts of oppression. Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to the band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of the Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive (Bailyn 1993 p.155).”

Webster’s 1787 passage provides a view into how guarded the population was of tyranny. The Bill of Rights, in particular the 2nd Amendment, would not be ratified for another 13 years (December 15, 1791). So even in the absence of the ratified 2nd Amendment, Americans were staunch in their conviction to keep and bear.

I wonder if Venezuelans would think the American Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, quaint outdated historical documents. Or would they warn us to exercise prudence when considering changes to our longstanding government.


Your Faithful Anonymous Michigan Listener.
Rob- A good analogy to today. Colonial immigrants saw minorities disarmed in Europe.




Hi, folks:


I enjoyed the discussion regarding churches.  As a Catholic, I‘m always interested to know what the Catholic position is.


The Roman Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination in the USA, and so its actions are closely watched by many as an example of how churches should deal with the issues of criminality and violence in our society.


Many Catholic Bishops have declared churches in their respective dioceses to be „gun free“ zones.  Furthermore, many bishops have advocated openly  against armed self defense. Unfortunately, these teachings by the bishops in many cases, may directly contradict the formal  teachings of the Church.


Saint John Paul, known in life as Pope John Paul II, explained the need for, and obligation of, self defense.  In his own words, from the Papal Encyclical Evangelium Vitae (p. 55):


“Legitimate defence can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another’s life, the common good of the family or of the State. “. [Quoting Catechism of Catholic Church #2265]. Unfortunately it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose action brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of the lack of the use of reason.“


You‘ll never hear the priests or bishops cite this contradiction of their heretical teachings.


Kindest Regards,






How about: MSSSLL, as in missile.








-Jeremy M in Iowa



Hi Folks,

I wrote the following poem a few years ago in order to honor and thank our soldiers, cops and civilian warriors. Please share it with your listeners.

The Sheepdog’s Prayer

The Knights of Old were Men of Honor who used their Might For Right!

Today they’re known as Sheepdogs, those who carry on the fight.

I am a tired old Sheepdog, the guardian of my flock.

I keep the predators at bay and stand watch around the clock.

Please stop the Sheep from pulling my teeth. I’ll need them for the fight,

When the hungry Wolves come calling, some dark and deadly night.

I pray I’ll never need my gun, but someday if I do:

May my cause be just!

My draw be quick!

And my aim be ever true!

Heaven holds a special place for those who do the deed.

Defenders of the innocent in their hour of need.

May the Sheep someday be grateful. There’s a debt they can not pay,

To the Sheepdogs who lay it on the line, each and every day.

I’m proud to be a Sheepdog. I’ve done my very best!

I’ll stand my watch until my Maker calls me home to rest.

But when I meet St. Peter, there’s just one request I’ll make:

“Please let me spend Eternity, standing guard at Heaven’s Gate”.

Lord, help us bring this ”Age of Sheep” to a rapid end.

Then fill this land with Sheepdogs, Men of Honor once again.

This prayer is dedicated, to those who bravely face,

The dangers all around us to make our world a safer place.

To the soldiers, cops and warriors- Sheepdogs through and through.

Thank you for your service and your sacrifices too.


Roger E. Temple- Sheepdog Firearm Training LLC




Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- A crazy man in Red Bluff, California was willing to murder his wife and neighbors.  Since stopping criminals is hard and passing laws is easy, I expect the California politicians to call for more laws to encumber honest and sane citizens. These new laws, and the media opportunities they generate for politicians, won’t stop the next murder either. The new laws will allow the politicians to appear relevant. The real problem is complex, and frankly, the problem is beyond the sound-byte politicians in Sacramento. https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2017/11/16/people-died-in-red-bluff-california-and-there-are-no-easy-solutions/

Paul –

Gary –


My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.


This Black Friday saw the all-time one-day record for NICS checks set with over 203,000 checks. While there isn’t a one-to-one correlation with firearms purchases, it is a sign that maybe the stagnation in the firearms’ market is coming to a close. For the sake of those people working in the firearms industry at the retail, distributor, or manufacturer levels I certainly hope so.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Paul – Remington



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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Willes Lee for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.