Episode 409 – Sean Maloney and Laura Carno

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- Training and Discussion segment

3- News Segment 1

4- Interview Segment 1: Sean Maloney

5- Interview Segment 2: Laura Carno

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday, May 14, 2017.  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Laura Carno about training school staff in Colorado to be first responders.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Sean Maloney from second call defense.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and in one of our DGU’s we’ll hear how a Houston man successfully defended himself against 3 attackers

Rob: So climb aboard,

Rachel: strap in,

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 409 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Carried every day.  Did some dry practice with a SIRT pistol.  New ammo arrived for a training class.  I’ve also been thinking about how we train and how we teach.  We’ll talk about that in our e-mail segment.  I’ve also been thinking about Gary’s mom, but I haven’t written that article yet.  I also put out a new episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 

John – I want to apologize to our listeners for missing our last show. I had just a horrible internet connection. Listening to the others was like being in some hallucinogenic Techo event. Now to current events. I’m a bit sore as we have been cleaning out what had been my Mom’s house as – ta da – I have a buyer for it. My Mom passed away 9 years ago so it’s time! I am still finding treasures including a signed promotion letter to my Mom from the FBI’s J. Edgar Hoover. As to gun news, I was pocket carrying my Ruger LCP II the whole time. It’s very convenient.

 

Rachel

Bought a gun….from John

Saw some political friends in a non-political setting….it was good

Working on a knife bill…..since everything else I cared about is dead

Mostly doing music work

 

Paul/Susan Range day on Saturday S&W Sigma

Bob and Ben

 

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Rob-

Bob Owens Suicide- Suicide is typically a result of depression.  Most of us never consider if we should kill ourselves.  We don’t ask if we should mark or cut ourselves.  We don’t ask because the question never occurs to us.  If you have asked yourself these questions, then please go get help.  What you’re doing in asking that question isn’t normal.  It isn’t healthy.  You are suffering from an illness.  You’re depressed.  It is a disease, not a character flaw.  You don’t need sympathy or to think happy thoughts or take a homeopathic remedy.  You need a doctor.  You need help now.

 

One of the largest contributors to periods of depression is lack of sleep.  So take a driven individual working on an important project.  They work too hard.  Drink lots of coffee.  Sleep too little, and then start a downward spiral of sleep deprivation and depression.

 

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255

 

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2- News 1

San Francisco insanity

In typical California fashion, the City of San Francisco uses every measure at its disposal to limit the freedoms of law abiding citizens.  In a recent Breitbart article, AWR Hawkins exposed the folly of the elitist politicians who perpetually occupy City Hall.

 

In 2013 the city enacted a high capacity unquote magazine ban.  At the time, Larry Barsetti of the police union was quoted as saying, “All you’re doing is impacting honest law-abiding citizens of San Francisco; the bad guys aren’t going to obey this law; they’re not supposed to be carrying in the first place.”  

 

Recently published crime statistics appear to support Mr. Barsetti’s prediction.  Numerous improvements were noted in crime rates within the city.  Crimes against property fell by a staggering 11 percent from 2015 to 2016.  Incidents of reported thefts, arson, vehicle theft and burglaries also decreased on a year-by-year basis.

 

Crimes in which firearms were involved, however, exploded during the same time period.  The murder rate increased by 15 percent and gunshot victims increased by 27 percent!  Surely the well-meaning public servants of The City by the Bay have not yet concocted the perfect mixture of rights restrictions to serve their stated purpose.

 

Although we cannot, at this time, attribute any of this increase directly to magazine restrictions, there is a comparison that can be made.  A city on the other side of the country, Baltimore, Maryland, has similar gun controls in place.  They also enacted a high capacity magazine ban in 2013.  Since then, Charm City has endured higher murder rates than before the ban.  Criminal use of such magazines has increased since the ban took effect.  In fact, the carnage has risen to such a level that Baltimore’s mayor has called for the Feds to intervene.

 

Doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is often coined as a measure of insanity.  On this basis, politicians promoting gun control measures should be considered for luxurious vacations at their local funny farm.

 

John –

 

Kitchen Table FFLs for Everyone

Unless you are employed by an American news organization, you probably know that a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is required in order to legally deal in guns.  We should probably give them a break since the Gun Control Act has only been in effect since 1968.

 

Many motivated collectors applied for, and received, FFLs in order to pursue their legal hobbies in an above-board manner.  These individuals have often been referred to as “Kitchen Table FFLs.”  

 

If you are relatively new to the gun community you may not have heard of this phenomenon.    That is because a man by the name of Josh Sugarmann of the Violence Policy Center.  He thought that these collectors posed such a threat to public safety that they must lose their licences.  So, Mr. Sugarmann set out on a mission of petitioning the Clinton Administration to remedy the situation.  Of course, the Administration complied.  Since then only those selling firearms for profit are eligible for a FFL.  

 

Now it is time for the funny part.  Mr. Sugarmann applied for and received a Federal Firearms Licence for the Violence Policy Center as a non-profit.  His application stated that he was a “firearms expert in design and manufacture.”  His given purpose for the FFL was for the “examination and publication of written material” about firearms.  The application also specifically mentions, “no firearms or ammunition will be sold.”

 

So which is it then?  Is it or is it not possible to have an FFL for purposes other than business profits?  It appears that the ATF is not even sure.  The folks at LonelyMachines filed a Freedom of Information Request regarding this matter.  When it was determined that the VPC does hold a non-profit FFL, they inquired of the ATF as to the steps one must go through in order to obtain a similar licence.  At first the ATF stated that it was not possible.  When it was pointed out that Mr. Sugarmann had such a license, they finally said that one must put “N/A” to answer the question related to making a profit.  Then a sheet of paper is attached to explain the nonprofit business.  

 

Now we all can file for FFLs!  Isn’t it awesome that the man who took away the rights of so many people also gave us the method by which those rights can be taken back?  

 

John – I always thought Emily Miller should have had Josh Sugarmann handle her FFL transfer.

Laws for them, but not for us.

Paul – I wonder if I can get an ffl for the Polite Society Podcast?

 

Constitutional carry for knives in Montana

Montana law treated knives with a blade of more than 4 inches the same as firearms in their concealed carry statute. It is legal to carry concealed weapons in most of Montana, without a permit, except inside city limits.  The new law only applied to people in incorporated towns and cities.

 

This year, 2017, Governor Bullock is term limited, and cannot run again. He vetoed the proposed Constitutional Carry bill for the third time.  But Governor Bullock allowed HB 251 to become law.  HB 251 is simple. It removes all weapons from the concealed carry law except firearms.  The votes for the bill were 70-29 in the House and 38 to 11 in the Senate. That is more than enough to override a veto from the Governor.

 

In Montana, if the governor does not sign or veto a bill, within 10 days after it is delivered to him, it becomes law.  Constitutional Carry for knives became law on April 21, 2017.  It goes into effect on 1 October, 2017.

 

Rob- Wish we had that in Louisiana.

 

Stacy Washington-

This next news column is a tribute to our listeners.  We’re read the hit-pieces from liberal media criticizing and slandering honest gun owners.  We’ve been called ammo-sexuals, trigger trash and child-killers.  We’ve heard the NRA compared to ISIS.  What is relatively new, is that articulate voices have spoken in opposition to these slanders..and then been fired from the media outlets because of their opinion.

 

The self-styled “progressive free press” is increasingly intolerant of views that don’t match their liberal talking points.  The most recent example was the indefinite suspension of Stacy Washington, a radio and print journalists from Saint Louis.  Stacy used to write for the Saint Louis Post Dispatch.  In an edited opinion column, Stacy criticized professional journalists who didn’t maintain journalistic standards when they were writing about gun owners and human rights organizations like the NRA.  She was fired precisely because she detailed the bias of her editors.

 

Only 7 percent of journalists describe themselves as republican or conservative.  We should not expect the liberal news organizations like the Saint Louis Post Dispatch, New York Times, Huffington post and Buzzfeed to support our opinions.  We should not expect fair reporting.  We should expect new media outlets to fill the information void left as these former news organizations unveil their propaganda.

 

Comment- Breitbart News didn’t exist 10 years ago.  Today they are the leading media outlet with more facebook and twitter reposts than the large liberal papers.

 

Comment- Colion Noir didn’t make videos ten years ago.  Stacy Washington didn’t have her own radio show ten years ago.  Dana Loesch had just started her blog at that point.  The only radio show that supported gun owners was Gun Talk.  Armed American Radio and Lock and Load Radio wouldn’t start for a few years.  The media universe is changing, and the old style outlets don’t like it.

 

Comment- We didn’t have podcasts delivered to your phone 10 years ago.  Stacy still has her blog and her radio show “Stacy on the Right”. I wonder who will pick up and syndicate her columns.

 

Rachel- technology has changed communication…that also changes activism

 

Rob- you live stream on FB.

 

Doubling down in California

California Assemblyman Kevin McCarty is pushing legislation to take away school administrators’ power to allow teachers with a Carry Concealed Weapon license (CCW) to be armed in classrooms for self-defense. McCarty’s bill is snaking its way through the legislative process. Two years ago, California passed a bill saying a concealed carry permit holder could not carry on any school campus unless they had the authorization of the school administrator. Well, out of the one thousand school districts in California, five of them decided to allow concealed permit holders to carry on their campuses. That upset the liberal california legislature and their liberal anti-gun donors.  Assemblyman McCarty  wants to take away the authority of local school boards to allow CCW holders to carry on their campuses.  Being a state law, there is no ability to sue the state when your child is attacked in public school.

 

Comment- I’m not sure if this new law would apply to private schools in California.

 

Rob- You might remember the five year old girl who picked up a stick and was playing with it in her school in North Carolina.  Her name is Caitlin.  She and another group of girls were playing “kings and queens” and Caitlin was pretending that she was guarding the palace with a gun.  Her father is a soldier in the US army.  Caitlin was suspended from kindergarten because of the school’s “zero-tolerance” policy.  Caitlin is now home schooled..because her parents have a zero-tolerance policy of their own.  I know that many people home school in California.

 

Gun Quotes- The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose. James Earl Jones

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Laura Carno and Sean Maloney.

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3- Interview 1- Laura Carno, FASTER training in Colorado

School will be out for the summer recess in a few weeks.  Some Colorado teachers will be taking some continuing education in armed defense and medical first response.  Some Colorado school districts already had armed staff for years now.  Starting this summer, they will also have world class defensive training that was developed in Ohio in the FASTER program.  Coloradans for civil liberties is bringing that training to their state.  To tell us about that, we we have Laura Carno with us.

 

Keeping kids safe in a broken world.

 

Colorado Sheriffs can certify teachers.  Do you have some sheriff’s representatives auditing the courses?

 

Press release from Coloradans for Civil Liberties

When you drop your kids off for school in the morning, or wave goodbye to them at the bus stop, do you ever say a little prayer for their safety? Ask yourself this: Are your kids as safe as they can possibly be at school, or do you just pretend they are to get through the day?

Some parents can say, “Yes! My kids are safe!” because they know that trained medical and armed first responders are ready to protect their children in school. But, not every parent can say that.

Last year, I attended training for these armed first responders in Ohio. It’s called FASTER training which stands for Faculty / Administrator Safety Training and Emergency Response. Essentially, it is training for school staff who volunteer to put their bodies between bullets and your kids — not their own kids— other people’s kids. Ohio has trained almost 900 people over the past 5 years. These 900 school staff members are nothing short of heroes in my book.

When I got back from FASTER training in Ohio, I vowed to bring this life-saving training to Colorado. Colorado kids deserve the same level of protection as Ohio’s kids!

I wrote an article about how the experience changed my life. Please read the whole thing.

Now, just 10 months later, we have our first Colorado FASTER class scheduled in June. We are offering this class through an organization I recently co-founded, Coloradans for Civil Liberties, in partnership with Independence Institute.

The Ohio training team is traveling to Colorado to train our Colorado training team, who will then conduct the ongoing FASTER Colorado classes.

FASTER training is for school staff who already have their Concealed Handgun Permit (CHP), and who have the permission of their school or charter board, or are on their way to having permission. We can also help school and charter boards with the process of granting permission.

I’m not asking for money, I’m asking for your help to save our children by identifying Colorado school staff members — those who have what it takes to volunteer to be those trained medical and armed first responders in their schools.

Now that we have our first class dates set in June, we want to make sure that first class is filled to capacity, and that we have waiting lists for our next classes.

Whether you are inside or outside of Colorado, do you know people in Colorado who are:

  • School staff members – teachers, administrators, janitors, etc. who would volunteer to save your children’s lives
  • School Board and Charter Board members – they are legally able to approve armed first responders in their schools.
  • School Board and Charter Board members who have already approved school staff members – this life-saving training is for their staff too.
  • Parents of children in Colorado schools – parents should demand that their kids are as safe as possible in schools, by being protected by FASTER trained school personnel.

Send this email to them. Ask them to read the article I wrote late year. Then ask them to go to FasterColorado.com and send me an email at CO2ALiberties@gmail.com. I want to hear from them.

The tuition is $1,000 for a 3-day class for those schools and districts who have the training budget for a class like FASTER. We also have scholarships available. We never want anyone to miss out on FASTER training due to the budget constraints of their school or district.

One thing we know about school shootings is that they will happen again. If it does happen at your school, will you be prepared?

 

4- Interview 2

Paloma Capanna-  Do you give up your rights when you own a gun?

Defending gun owners from breach of medical information and release of information kept on federal forms we’re required to submit when we buy a gun.

 

Decision from the District Ct can be found here. The case is now on appeal to the 2nd Circuit Ct of Appeals.

 

?- Doesn’t this conflict with another Fed law – HIPAA

 

Politicians get a free pass.

 

See you in Dallas!

http://law-policy.com/

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Concealed Carrier stops possible Mass Shooting

On a recent Thursday evening, Cesar Perez was busy doing his job as the manager of the Zona Caliente Sports Bar and Grill in Arlington Texas.  He thought it was going to be a normal Thursday night.  At about 6 PM, all that changed.  James Jones walked into the bar and started yelling incoherently.  Perez tried to calm the man down.  

 

Meanwhile, a customer, who was also a concealed carrier, was sitting at the bar with this wife.  He was able to see or hear the disturbance between Perez and Jones going on.  During the course of their “argument” Jones pulled out a handgun and shot Perez.  Perez died at the scene.  The customer told his wife to get down on the ground and pulled his concealed gun.  He fired one shot, striking Jones in the back.  Jones thought the shot came from the front door and returned fire.  Luckily he did not shoot anyone else.  Jones also died at the scene.

 

Police found a second fully loaded semi-automatic on Jones and two knives.  The second firearm had the serial number filed off.  While Jones will never tell them what his intent was, he was certainly ready to shoot more than just Perez.  

 

Without the quick and decisive action of the Good Samaritan concealed carrier, more Jones could have taken the life of more patrons.

 

Since Zona Caliente makes the majority of its revenue from food, concealed carry was permitted and the Good Guy with a gun will not be facing any charges.

 

The only thing that defeats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.  This good guy kept his situational awareness and knew that he was possibly the only person standing between Jones’ one victim becoming a major news story.  He got his loved one to a safe place and delivered 1 well placed shot which ended the situation.  

Rob-

 

Two Drive By Shooters Dead, 1 Intended Victim Untouched

Last weekend in North Houston, a homeowner was standing outside his home at 2:15 AM.  Three men in a Nissan sedan drove by with the intention of shooting him.  Unlucky for them was the fact that he possesses a concealed handgun license.  He returned fire.  The car crashed into another vehicle and the three men got out and continued the fight.  

 

The homeowner proved to be a better shot than the three.  After 40 shots fired, the three were all suffering from gunshot wounds and the homeowner was unharmed.  One was pronounced dead at the scene, one tried to flee but was apprehended and died at the hospital and the third was taken into custody at the scene and was being treated from his wounds.

 

The homeowner was determined to have acted in self defense.  Investigators had been to the same house the day before for a report of attempted arson.

 

There are questions which remain about this incident.  Why was this the second happening at this address in a couple of days?  

Rob- This being Houston, the third guy will be out of jail and back on the street in a week.

Rachel- no permit was necessary

Rob- low-light and shooting at moving targets made this a tough encounter.

Rob- confidence.

 

Domino’s Pizza Driver gets in trouble

It looks like Texas has been busy with DGU’s for the last week or so.  For this story, we stay in Texas and move back up to the Dallas area.

 

Domino’s Pizza driver, David Gerber, has had trouble coming at him on multiple occasions over the last week.  On May 6, he was given a deliver to make in Mesquite Texas.  It turned out the delivery was to a vacant house and also part of an ambush robbery.  Two individuals confronted Gerber and attempted to rob him.  One of the young thugs was armed with a handgun and fired at Gerber.  He was also armed and fired back at his assailants.

 

The two suspects then fled.  One 16 year old was found a short distance away with a gunshot wound.  He later expired from that injury.  His accomplice, also 16, was found and placed under arrest for aggravated robbery.

 

It was originally reported that Gerber did not have a handgun license which could have resulted in a charge of unlawfully carrying a weapon but later that was changed to the fact that he did have a concealed carry permit for the State of Arizona which is recognized by Texas.

 

Domino’s has suspended Gerber pending the investigation into the shooting.  Mesquite Police have referred the matter to the Dallas County grand jury to determine if charges are warranted.

 

This type of ambush robbery has to be a constant worry of any delivery driver and in particular those like pizza drivers who deal in cash.  We have reported that some companies such as Uber have a no guns policy.  It appears that Domino’s does not have such a policy and the only thing standing in the way of this driver getting his job back is the grand jury determining this was a good shoot.

 

Paul –

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Listener feedback

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Text message #1

 

Evening crew,

 

A friend and I were going back and forth about which device would be best for home defense.

He says laser, I say a tac light. I’m not sure how much training he has had but I have a few classes under my belt. One of the things one of my instructors said was that with a light you can light up the threat with a quick on off or strobe method to blind them. Move, then yell your commands. My friend just says why do all that when I can just put my laser on them. Rolling my eyes, his comments make me think he lacks training. Anyway I’d love to know what’s you guys opinion. Keep up the good work. #Norecipes

 

Jp

 

Tac light vs Laser part 2. I forgot to mention that my instructor is retired SWAT. So I’d listen to him before taking advice from My know it all friend Barney Fife.

Rob

Paul – Combination light/laser

 

Question

Are there any plans to get POGO made on a patch? That would be cool to have on a range bag.

 

How bout that low turn out at the NRAAM by Mom’s demand action? I love it when Bloomberg bleeds green, what a waste. Lol

You would think someone with his net worth would have better things to do then harassing law abiding citizens. Until next time

 

JP

 

Rob- the demanding momies were flying in their supporters to the NRA AM.

John – Patch – maybe;

Rachel- so, JP, if you want that POGO patch, just get all the current PSP patches sold quickly!

 

JOHN – Text message #2

 

Hey guys this is kris from Nashville in episode 406 y’all were talking about how you keep your guns while you sleep. My wife and I do not have kids so I keep mine in a Safariland ALS holster on a police duty belt with double mag pouch and a Surefire flashlight. What do y’all think about this?

Rob-

 

ROB- Email #1

Alan of Henryetta, Oklahoma wrote in.

 

Dear Polite Society Folks,

In episode 407, Rob Morse mentioned that he had finished reading Dustin Solomon’s book, Building Shooters.  I would be interested in hearing how he has changed his training and/or teaching methods.

 

I am not a professional firearms instructor. If I were, and implemented the principles in the book to make sure my students actually learned something, I would quit and find another job. It would be impossible to make a living following an actual brain-based learning curriculum. Fortunately, I only teach individuals or very small groups from time to time. Since I and my students are not on a strict time table, I would limit the amount of material covered and limit instruction time to one hour, three times a week and follow the model Solomon lays out.

 

One of the most important training concepts mentioned in the book is that of interleaved or chaotic training. Some training programs use some of these principles. I took Rob Pincus’ Combat Focused Shooting course a few years ago. His figure 8 drill comes close, but there are still a lot of limitations on a live fire range.

 

Training by myself, or with a partner in my own outside space using the SIRT pistol has a lot of advantages such as freedom of movement and different light levels.  These are only a couple of things that I do, some previously known, some new and some reinforced from the material in the book.

Your turn,

Alan

 

Rob-

Hi, Alan.

Thank you for writing in.  You are right.  Our current style of firearms training is designed to make money for the instructor, not to teach the student.  We charge more for a 10 hour course than for a one hour course.  In fact, the student doesn’t learn much more from the longer course.  As students, we may walk away inspired, but not with new skills.

 

I went back and proved it to myself.  I’ve attended classes where I wrote down the material they covered.  I didn’t have those skills.  I might develop them through self-study, but the course did not teach them to me.  As an instructor, I’ve failed my students when the majority of them can’t apply the class material I present.  It isn’t their fault.  It is mine.  Given the way I’m teaching, selling a defective product.  That was the core of what I took away from Solomon’s book.

 

Let me bring new listeners up to speed.  Dustin Solomon’s conclusion is that we can only learn so much at a time.  Instructors in other fields recognized this a long time ago.  Think about the apprentice system where the student receives a few minutes of instruction every day.  Also consider the music teacher model and the local self-defense dojo model where the students get a weekly lesson.  A music teacher shows you what to do, but you have to practice at home to learn the skills.  We can do that with firearms instruction, and I find the change inspiring.  

 

I looked at the skills we need for self-defense, and I broke them down into the categories we can learn at the same time.  That means we can teach all the information, but not at the same time.  It turns out we can learn fine motor skills AND gross motor skills in the same lesson.  What we can’t do is learn a bunch of fine motor skills at the same time because the memories compete and interfere. For example, if I try to teach grip, trigger manipulation, and sight alignment in the same lesson, then I’m leaving it up to the student as to which skill, if any, the student actually learns.  That could be why we have to correct a student’s grip lesson after lesson.

 

Here is the good news.  I can teach grip and stance at the same time, since one is a fine motor skill and the other is a gross motor skill involving the lower body.  Planned instruction becomes a Chinese menu selection.  Take one fine motor skill from column A, one gross motor from column B, and one self-defense concept from column C.

 

As Allen said in a personal e-mail, the two day and four day classes are designed so institutional organizations can say their staff was (quote) trained (close quote.)

 

Rachel- I am so glad I have intelligent, articulate friends like you, Rob. It frustrates me that I can’t always make sure students are able to effectively apply instruction from an intensive course. I wish I could teach firearms like I teach music: weekly private lessons, with private practice mandated in between. I hope one day I will.  I look forward to continuing conversations with you, Rob.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I know you like to teach.  I wonder when you’ll start your own firearms instruction business.

 

Rob- I wrote a three part series on how our right to bear arms is infringed every day.  After hearing Donald J. Trump speak at the NRA, I wanted him to do more.  I wrote another article called “Talk is Cheap, President Trump”   I listed the things the President could do to protect our rights, actions that don’t depend on congressional approval.  That and more is posted at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

Paul –

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John- After our friend Bob Owens of BearingArms.com committed suicide I fully expected nasty stuff coming from the gun prohibitionists and I wasn’t disappointed. What did disappoint me was a Facebook post by Charles Nichols of California Right to Carry. He is an embarrassment to the gun rights movement in general and to the open carry movement in particular. With people like him, who needs enemies.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Paul – more than 40 people and comments were deleted and blocked

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot,  Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 408 – Simulcast with Eye on the Target Radio

 

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1- Hour 1

2- Hour 2

3- Hour 3

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition AND Eye on the Target Radio recorded on Monday, May the 1st 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Gail Pepin about infiltrating a Moms Demand Action event in Atlanta.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the just wrapped up NRA Annual Meeting

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll also talk about the A Girl and a Gun training in Burnet, Texas.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a 7-11 that exercised their second amendment rights .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 408 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Paul: But wait.  This episode is a little different.  We’re here with Rob and Amanda of the Eye on the Target radio program and we’re broadcasting live on their show as we record.

Amanda: Hi, Paul – Rachel, great to “see” you again.   We will be talking about Conference, convention – or annual meeting as they call it  and the movies.

Rob Campbell, Hi to the entire Polite society co-hosts and their audience and ours.

We are so glad to be doing a simulcast – if you will.   Or a Simul-Podcast…  Stay tuned for 3 hours of fun

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob Morse- Annual meeting.  Usual suspects and some unusual.  Met some Breitbart executives who were talking with AWR hawkins.  I also got to talk with Marcus Weldon, but we never the COO and CTO of breitbart news.  Talked to the president of Springfield and the staff at Rock River.

 

John – The NRA Annual Meeting was great. I learned a ton at the Law Seminar, met a lot of people we’ve had on the podcast for the first time in person, and got to hang with some really cool people. The NRA was really promoting their Carry-Guard program after disinviting USCCA and 2nd Call Defense. Against that backdrop, I renewed my membership in Armed Citizens Legal Defense Fund. I wanted to be a person and not a number. Gila and Marty Hayes see me and know me by name. The other controversy going on involved Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms who may have thrown small Illinois dealers under the bus by going neutral on the bill that adds state regulation on top of ATF regulation. Finally, while it didn’t feel like it, the attendance numbers put Atlanta in 2nd position behind Houston in terms of attendees with approximately 81,000.

 

Rachel

  • Girl & A Gun conference – taught with David
  • New holster

 

Gary

Paul/Susan New shooters day yesterday. Breaking in new AR

 

Rob Campbell   Amanda and I were also at the NRA Annual Meeting,  and I looked at all the guns,  Have to say not much new.   But there was one.  Gilboa Snake – by Gilboa USA.com and its a twin barreled AR.  

Amanda  I was at NRA too.  But have to say, that while Rob is looking at guns, and rifling and all that stuff,  I was talking to people.

 

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Gary – Patches – I’ll have them up on the Facebook page. $10 for 1, $18 for 2. PayPal to john@politicsandguns.com

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

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(Saturday, February 3, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 1 Class: South Dakota

(Saturday, February 4, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 2 Class: South Dakota

 

Amanda –  Rachel,  let’s share with folks what we were all doing in Texas a week or two ago.  The annual  AGAG conference.  Rachel – we were in your home state.  This was my first year doing it.   Was really happy to be joining 57 other noteworthy instructors including yourself.  But I have to say that I was not prepared for the weather swing –

Rob Campbell – Yeah,  that weather was 90 the first day,  50 the second day 70 the third.  Kinda like Papa bear, Mama bear and baby bear.   But it was great and we are coming back – if they invite us – for next year.   Rachel – how and when did you get involved in this?   And tell us what you taught and your experiences with the 390 gals that were on the Ranch for the 3 days.

Rachelle

And around in a conversation that tosses from person to person till 7:30 commercial break…  if anyone wants in, toss their name here.  

Amanda – Live read commercial for Urban Moxy.

TIME

7:30

Amanda- Let us tell you about our crazy month of April.   We were in a Movie filmed in Cleveland-

Rob Campbell – telling them about being extras in the movie. (then toss it to someone to start

Open conversation about guns used in movies)

Gary-  

the realities and the falsehoods.  The truth about guns in the movies- bling rules

Rob-

Paul – I want to talk about the Amazon original Bosch. GREAT gun handling and realistic attitudes about guns.

  

7:45

NRA convention-  sights, sightings and people.    Who went, who’s sorry they missed it.  Which ones have you all attended and what was the most memorable part.

 

Rob Campbell- these events have changed over the years.  We have been to it for years.  Think Dallas may be my first one, remember Phoenix specifically and they had many more off campus events.   Phoenix set up a tour of Dillon Precision.   Tell about it a bit.

Amanda –  As I said – these, for me are about the people.  This year hit a milestone – had my picture taken with Wayne LaPierre,  and again with lt col. And US House of representatives Allen West.  Even if I did have bad hair – but that’s another story.

 

Rob Morse- Annual meeting.

Gabby Franco, R Lee Earmy, Jessie Duff, Bob Lathum, Sheriff Clarke, Alan West

 

Talked to the president of Springfield and the staff at Rock River.  The other controversy going on involved Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms who may have thrown small Illinois dealers under the bus by going neutral on the bill that adds state regulation on top of ATF regulation.

 

Finally, while it didn’t feel like it, the attendance numbers put Atlanta in 2nd position behind Houston in terms of attendees with approximately 81,000.

 

8:00.01 or anytime soon after  (our news kicks directly at the hour and is available)

RobM-

 

2- News 1

 

Paul – Black college student victim of confusing gun laws

Gun proponents in Illinois say the case of a recent Black college student who was arrested in Chicago is the reason why there needs to be a national gun law. Jamaal Jackson was arrested last month in the Grand Crossing community after he and the mother of his child got involved in a loud verbal argument and police were called. When police entered the private residence they searched Jackson and found a gun, which he legally bought and can have in Alabama. But because he took the gun from his vehicle and into a private home earlier that day, he needs a Firearm Owner’s Identification Card from Illinois to remove it from the vehicle, according to Illinois law. But he is ineligible to get a FOID card because he is not an Illinois resident, which puts citizens from another state in a trick bag when they visit Illinois and want to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights. Jackson, who was born and raised in Chicago, lives in Selma, Alabama where he is a junior business administration major at Selma University. He has been charged with a Class 4 felony of aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, something his father fears can ruin his life.

Rob- Police advise us to bring our guns indoors.

Rachel- It should be (and is) against the law to cause harm to another.

Rob- the goal is to make honest gun owners into criminals, not to stop criminals from getting guns.

 

Rob- The real goal of gun control

The purpose of gun control in Nazi Germany was to subdue the populace.  Unarmed civilians are of little concern to heavily armed government police and military forces.  A similar gun grab is being perpetrated in present day Venezuela.  

 

Of course, Interior Minister Nestor Reverol gave good justification for the confiscation.  He stated, “We are going to bring disarmament and peace.”  Who could argue with that?  The country’s murder rate was 73 per 100,000 before the ban.  The murder rate in the US is somewhere around 5 per 100,000.  That includes Chicago!  However, after the guns were taken from the people of Venezuela, the murder rate skyrocketed to nearly 92 per 100,000.

 

President Nicolas Maduro is not content, though.  He knows the country with the richest oil reserves on the planet is failing.  He knows the citizens are fed up with the deplorable living conditions.  So, what would any self-respecting totalitarian do next?  Arm his supporters, of course!  Serfs armed with torches and pitchforks are of little concern to well-armed militia.

 

This news comes on the anniversary of the April 1775 Battles of Lexington and Concord.  If the British Crown had been successful in their gun confiscation, American colonists would not have had the means to separate from Britain.  There would have been no “shot hear around the world.”  

 

If you believe gun control advocates are truly concerned about safety, just watch what happens in Venezuela.  An unarmed society is an impolite society.

 

Gary-

Rob- Rachel, you talk about this in appleseed, don’t you.

Rob Campbell-

Amanda- the zoo

 

Rachel- Changes in the Health administration

The previous administration appointed Vivek Murthy as the Surgeon General with the backing of the Senate in 2014. Last week, both sides of the divided Nation remember Murthy’s headlining label, “Gun Violence is a health threat to the American people” when Murthy was asked to step aside. Social media didn’t waste time announcing Murthy would not be finishing the remaining quarter of the appointed term. One smooth transition in a presidential term deserves another. It is assumed President Trump is continuing to quickly replace Obama appointees with fresh blood, leaving vacancies until filled. Rear Admiral Sylvia Trent-Adams, a nurse officer, will serve as acting surgeon general and leader of the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. The Nation awaits the Senate’s confirmation for the replacement which will be nominated by the Trump administration.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vivek-murthy-obama-era-surgeon-general-replaced/

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/04/21/us/politics/surgeon-general-trump-administration.html?referer=https://chorus.voxmedia.com/editor/9ad66b2a-b887-4fe6-a255-2630ef4eea50

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-admin-fires-surgeon-general-called-guns-health-issue-article-1.3088358

Paul

Amanda-

 

Rob- This is a rule, not an exception.

 

Gary- California, again

A recent article in Forbes magazine points to another instance of discriminatory rulings in modern American jurisprudence.  Contributing columnist George Leef’s article centers around the state’s “symbolic” law regarding “gun free school zones.”  Mr. Leef is correct to point out that such laws do “nothing to stop a determined killer.”  

 

The original legislation allowed retired law enforcement and concealed permit holders to carry on campus.  However, in 2015 the anti-gunners were able to pass a measure eliminating the exception for permit holders.  Retired law enforcement individuals, including game wardens, are still allowed to carry in schools.

 

Enter Dr. Ulises Garcia.  He obtained his concealed weapons permit subsequent to receiving threats from former patients.  Thus, Dr. Garcia has been deprived of his rights and placing himself at risk while attending school events with his children.

 

He joined with other plaintiffs in a suit seeking relief.  The theory of the case was that this law violates the Fourth Amendment’s equal protection clause by treating two classes of citizens differently.  

 

In her ruling, District Judge Beverly O’Connell summarily dismissed this argument with what can only be described as reckless disregard of the law.  She stated, “The legislative history of the Act here does not indicate that the California Legislature was trying to prejudice civilian firearm owners when it retained the Retired Peace Officers Exemption absent evidence of explicit legislative intent…”  Do you believe Jim Crow laws exhibited “explicit legislative intent?”  

 

Perhaps this judge acted in such a cavalier manner because she knew the Ninth Circuit would see it her way. https://www.forbes.com/sites/georgeleef/2017/04/24/second-amendment-or-second-class-citizens/#17aa86971ef1

 

Paul- I read recently that President trump is thinking of breaking up the 9th circuit. I wonder if this will make it to the Supremes before that happens

Rob- We don’t have lobbyists who make large political contributions.  Law enforcement and corrections officers do.

 

Gary-

 

Constitutional Carry in Texas – update

The saga continues, with Texas liberty activists pushing for constitutional carry. We believe, anyone who owns a handgun should be able to carry it. Apparently that does not please the King – Chairman Phil King, that is. Let’s quickly review the episodes that have already played out this session: (1) 375 filed – if you own it, you carry it. (2) 1911 filed – if you’re eligible to apply for a license, you may carry without a license. Read more below:

 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/04/robert-farago/texas-constitutional-carry-saga-continues/

The current version of 1911 is currently in Calendars committee and contains, among other problems, a section that could allow law enforcement to stop and ID someone merely for carrying a handgun. Meanwhile, 375, a solid bill, never has made it out of the Calendars Committee. The blame goes to Chairman Phil King.

 

Gun Quotes- Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. William Pitt (the Younger)

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Gail Pepin).

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3- Interview 1  Gail Pepin ( 9:05)

Mom’s demand t-shirts

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

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Greenville Domestic Abuser gets shot in leg

On a recent Friday, a Greenville, North Carolina woman was in an argument with her ex-boyfriend.  The fight got physical and was carried into a neighbor’s yard.  The neighbor attempted to intervene and the ex-boyfriend, Tyree Barksdale, turned his anger on him.  The neighbor retrieved a gun and shot Barksdale in the leg.  Police responded to a shots fired 911 call.  Barksdale was treated to non-life-threatening injuries while the neighbor and ex-girlfriend were nursing their own minor injuries.

While all ended “well” in this incident, it is not a wise thing to intervene in a domestic fight.  While you are trying to break up the fight, it can quickly go from one on one to two on one and you are the one.  

 

Rob – I had a really bad night

A Florida man told a Marion County Florida Sheriff’s Deputy “I had a really bad night last night. I really don’t remember going to her house.”  Anthony Tally wanted to apologize to the woman whose door he had kicked in on the previous night.

 

The previous night the homeowner was awoken by loud banging coming from outside her home.  When she turned on the porch light, she saw a man banging on her back door with his fists and screaming “I’m going to get you…”  The homeowner retreated out the front door and fled to a neighbor’s house as Tally broke through her back door.  Her neighbor grabbed his gun and went to her home.  He witnessed Tally near the back porch.  He then crashed through the wooden gate.  The neighbor fired a shot in the air like any untrained gun owner is wont to do.

 

The next day, another woman saw two men in the neighborhood and told them of the breakin.  She noticed one of the men, Tally, had scratches on his arms.  He confessed and vowed to apologize to the victim.  She then went to the victim’s home to warn her.

 

The homeowner’s son was also there and armed.  As Tally approached the home, he was detained at gunpoint by the son and then secured by neighbors until the deputies arrived.  

Paul – We are not the police!

Rachel- My opinion: a poorly-trained carrier is most likely to fire a warning shot in the air.

Rob- She retreated when she had the opportunity.  Good for her.

Gary-

Amanda – i don’t remember, but I confess???

 

Rachel 7-11 Store Clerk defends store

A 35 year old 7-11 store clerk decided it was time for a smoke break at 3:50 AM.  Suddenly, an armed man approached and tried to rob her.  But this clerk was also carrying.  She pulled her firearm and shot the man in the chest, arm and thigh.  During the gun battle, she was also wounded in the leg.  The robbery thug was pronounced dead at the hospital and the clerk was treated for her wounds.  It was not known whether the clerk had a permission slip to conceal carry.  Missouri is a constitutional carry state.

Paul-

Rob- Leg shots are often fatal.  They are not “safe”.

 

Gary- Bakersfield Doctor defends himself

Even in California, you have a right to self-defense.  Last week a Bakersfield doctor was assaulted by a man who was not a patient.  He claimed he was there to inquire about becoming a patient when he attached the doctor.  During the assault, the deceased made comments about money.  Dr Edwin Zong was not carrying but had a firearm in a desk drawer. The doctor retrieved his legally registered gun from the drawer and shot his assailant 3 times in the upper torso.  The suspect fled but was found in a nearby parking lot.

 

The doctor was also licensed to carry but was not.  The clinic does issue medical marijuana prescriptions which may have prompted the attempted robbery.  Officials ruled that this was self-defense and the doctor will not be charged.

 

Paul – POGO

Amanda – yes

Another 45 seconds or so…

BREAK? Go to listener feedback out of break  

Will kick it to?

 

Huntsville homeowner kills burglar

A Huntsville Texas homeowner arrived at home earlier this month just before 11 PM when he noticed his back door kicked in.  He went back to his car and got his handgun.  When he returned to his house, he confronted two men.  He fired at both men and struck both.  One died at the house and the other fled and showed up later at a local hospital. This was ruled self-defense by the local police.

 

While removing your firearm from its holster while driving is an acceptable thing to do, Pants On Gun On means rearming when you reach your destination when permissible.  Was he going to leave his firearm in his car overnight?  Shouldn’t the first thing be a call to law enforcement?  Is it wise to enter a building when you suspect there could be thugs possibly inside?

 

What is that protection order for?

It seemed that a Oklahoma woman had enough after a man repeatedly ignored a protection order.  Of course a protection order prohibits any contact unless authorized by the court.

 

A few day after the order was granted, Larry Grammer contacted the woman several times including threatening to come after her and her life if she didn’t provide the title to her car which Grammer had possession.  The woman filed a complaint and Grammer denied calling the woman.  Recently he was at the woman’s home again.  Law enforcement was called and then dispatch broadcast “the woman had a rifle and was standing on the porch, yelling for Larry to leave the house.”  Police responded with light and sirens.  Grammer backed out of the drive and drove away at a high rate of speed.

 

Grammer was pulled over and denied that he had been at her house.  She said he had come demanding her debit card which was verified by two witnesses.  Grammer was arrested and hauled off to the county jail.

 

Once again, protection orders do not protect those who seek them.  You need to take defense and your loved ones into your own control.  That may include owning and possibly using a firearm.  In this case, the trigger did not have to be pulled.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

Paul- Text message #1

 

Afternoon PS Crew

My question is if you’re going buy a used gun. How do you know if you’re not buying someone else’s headache?

 

Thanks

JP

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Rob- Some used gun shops offer a lifetime guarantee.  Other than that, you don’t know.

Rachel- get a reputable brand that holds up over time (and has resale value). Also, I try to talk with them and figure out why they’re selling it.

Paul- Major manufacturers will warranty their stuff

Rob Campbell

 

Rob – Text message #2

 

Thanks for mentioning my footwear question. Any publications from female instructors who could help convey the importance of footwear to my girlfriend? -Clayton

 

Rachel- Yes, I’d be happy to let her know how important and wonderful flip-flops are.

amanda-

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Rachel -Email #1

 

Carl wrote in about a Pittsburgh story that concerned him.

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I sincerely hope there’s more to this story.  The way it is written, it sounds as if the police just shoot you if you are carrying a shotgun.  

 

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2017/04/29/police-shoot-man-carrying-shotgun-in-east-liberty/

 

This is terrible news reporting.

 

Carl

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This is the full text of the article in question (Gary can you please read this?)

 

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) — A man has been hospitalized following an officer-involved shooting in East Liberty.

According to police, it happened around 1:30 a.m. Saturday.

Officers were called to the area of the 700 block of Mellon Street for a report of a male wearing a red hooded sweatshirt who was armed with a shotgun.

Upon arrival, responding officers saw a male matching that description walking along the 600 block of North Highland Avenue.

An officer shot the man in his left side. The man, believed to be in his 20s, was transported to UPMC Presbyterian. He was alert and conscious.

The shotgun was recovered at the scene.

No further information was released.

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Paul – I agree. PA is an open carry state. I think that there has to be more to the story

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- Infringing the right to bear arms series, When we consider the many layers of government, it is easy to see that they have a very difficult time leaving any aspect of our lives unregulated.  Politicians rationalize their regulation of self-defense by wrapping their restrictions in the cloak of public safety.  In fact, that cloak has often been the white sheet of racism directed against minorities and the poor.

 

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/infringing-the-right-to-bear-arms-you-need-a-permit-to-do-that/

Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

CRASHED :’(

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot,  Jae, Dana, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Amanda?: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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