Episode 407 – Shelley Hill and Kevin Davis

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Shelley Hill

4- Interview Segment 2: Kevin Davis

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, the 20th of April, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk with Kevin Davis about when Police officers should use force, and when you should.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about bad things happening to good people.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about two criminals that failed in the victim selection process by breaking into a retired Marine’s home …so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 407 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob, Live fire at the range, dry fired a couple times at home.  I finished Dustin Solomon’s book, “Building Shooters”.  I recommend it.  It changed how I train and how I teach.   I booked a hotel room for a beginning firearms class I’m taking.  I have to buy ammo.  I met my first legal texas 30.06 sign.  I recorded a few episodes of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  I got my car ready for a trip.. And that is firearms related because.. NRAAM.

 

John – Like Rob, we are getting ready to leave for Atlanta for the NRA Annual Meeting. We’ve been checking out the MARTA rail system which, by the way, allows concealed carry on its trains. I’ve been pocket carrying my Ruger LCP II a lot and it is really convenient. I also just bought a shoulder holster from Ken Null which I hope to use with a revolver. I will have to practice with it a good deal before I decide to carry with it. That’s about it for me.

Rob

 

Gary

Paul/Susan: New AR – patreon

John – Patches – I’ll have them up on the Facebook page. $10 for 1, $18 for 2.

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

(June 9-11 2017). MAG-30. Georgetown, TX

(June 24, 25th 2017).  Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced.  9am -5pm both days. Richmond, IL

(July 8, 2017) Defensive Rifle Skills for the Armed Citizen https://squareup.com/store/concealedcarryassociates

(August 10-13, 2017). MAG-40. Sioux Falls, SD

(August 26 & 27, 2017). Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD

(Saturday, February 3, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 1 Class: South Dakota

(Saturday, February 4, 2018) Law of Self Defense LEVEL 2 Class: South Dakota

Break

 

2- News 1

 

Bad Things Happen No Matter Where You Are

The world endured a harsh wake-up call this last week to the fact that evil things still happen despite the daily hope that nothing bad will happen as one carries out normal errands like visiting family and grocery shopping. According to his uploaded facebook video, Steve Stephens manipulated his tool to murder 74-year-old Robert Godwin. Excusing himself from personal responsibility, he blamed it on his failed courting relationship with Joy Lane. Instead of sympathy for his pain from his gambling debt and other problems, the nation banded together to bring this killer to justice by actively helping the police with their manhunt. The suspect ended his own life after being cornered by the police chase, leaving the nation to ask, ‘what else could go wrong?’

http://abcnews.go.com/US/cleveland-facebook-murder-suspect-shot-killed-pursuit-police/story?id=46863880

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/us/cleveland-facebook-killing-video/index.html

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/04/18/inside-mind-facebook-killer.html

The question was semi-answered in a state known for its numerous laws limiting citizens, but not convicted criminals from packing illegal weapons and murdering on a whim. Conflicting motives of the once outgoing down to earth and health advocate security guard, Kori Ali “Black Jesus” Muhammad are unclear. He encouraged followers with hashtags such as “#LetBlackPeopleGo” and “black warriors” need to “mount up” against the “white devils”, but he shouted “Allahu Akbar” or “God is great” in Arabic when police tackled the suspect to the ground ending in his arrest. His random shooting spree had been at 4 locations with 3 Caucasian fatalities ranging from 34 -58. Whether it was his religious beliefs, gang affiliations, or hate crimes, he is claiming insanity and the possibility that the justice system is conspiring against him. The nation is torn about guns and personal safety once again.

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fresno-shooting-suspect-kori-ali-muhammad-custody/

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/04/18/fresno-shooting-rampage-suspect-who-shot-dead-3-wanted-to-kill-as-many-people-as-possible-police-say.html

 

Paul – POGO if you can

John – I despise the term “hate crime” – aren’t all crimes based upon a measure of hate? Violence is violence – does the reason really matter?

 

Rob- John, all crimes are not hate crimes.  Some people didn’t get a permit to open a lemonade stand.  There is evil in the world.  Laws won’t stop these murderers.  You will.  Thank you for taking care of the people you love.

 

Peruta to be heard by the Supremes?

An infamous case from the infamous Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals appears to be first in line to find out what newly confirmed Justice Gorsuch is all about.  Justice Gorsuch is scheduled to participate in a hearing as to whether the Peruta v. County of San Diego case will be heard by the nation’s highest court.  

 

The Peruta case revolves around California’s “good cause” requirement for law abiding citizens to be issued a carry permit.  This case was originally found in Mr. Peruta’s favor by a three judge panel of the Circuit.  The infamous Kamala Harris, then California Attorney General, pushed to have the case heard en banc.  In June 2016 the court reversed the panel’s ruling, thus supporting the “good cause” requirement and ignoring the precedent set in the Heller case.

 

The hearing of this case by a Supreme Court that actually follows the Constitution should provide an excellent starting point for a new era of rights restoration.  Do you think the District and Circuit courts will listen?

 

John- This week they  refused to hear a case out of New Jersey – Stephens v Jerejian. That case, however, was a pro se or serving as his own attorney. Those kind of cases are dangerous in that the pro se plaintiff doesn’t really know the law and a bad case can then end up as a precedent.

 

Gary-

 

Rob- The SCOTUS rules on how court decisions were made, not on the decision.  They would remand the case back to the lower court and describe the proper standards of review.

 

Paul- I read a story today that there are rumors flying about another resignation in SCOTUS

John- That would be Charles Grassley of Iowa. He is chairman of the Senate Judiciary Comm.

John- Justice Kennedy is most senior followed by Clarence Thomas.

 

Show me how gun free zones help people

Lawmakers in Missouri are busy fighting the good fight.  Representative Jered Taylor has sponsored legislation that would eliminate many “gun-free zones” throughout the state.  The criminal hunting grounds include child care facilities, universities and churches.  Of course, a Kansas City representative, Jon Carpenter seemed shocked.  He asked, “Is this for show or is this for real?”  Kudos to Rep. Taylor for stating that he wants, “individuals to be able to choose…”  He realizes that signs do not stop criminals.  Another voice speaking the truth is always helpful.

 

Missouri Rep. Nick Schroer is sponsoring another bill that would hold those who post “gun-free” signs in their businesses liable for harm suffered by disarmed patrons.  As he so eloquently said, “These killers are not stopped by a sign on the front door.”  

 

Way to go Missouri!

Rob- I want to make the politicians show us the plastic signs stop crime.

John- Missouri is a strange state. Conservative state with liberal bookends.

 

College employees Volunteer to Carry

Approximately 500 public university employees in Tennessee are carrying concealed firearms on college campuses.  The current law only allows full-time employees to carry on campus.  The University of Tennessee police chief, Troy Lane, is concerned.  He is, “unaware of how or why adding part-time employees would make [the] campus safer.”  His concern is that they do not know the part-time people as well as the real co-workers.  Perhaps he is unaware that these people must be vetted through the permitting system in place for the State.  

 

These people who know better than the rest of us continue to fight any measure that would result in more people being able to defend themselves or others from violent attacks.  They grudgingly admit that they are unaware of any problems that have arisen from good people carrying firearms on the State’s campuses.  

 

Rob- Guest lecturers, police chiefs are appointed, not elected.

John- You mean like I used to be. I knew most of the business faculty.

 

Gun Quotes- An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it . Col Jeff Cooper

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Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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3- Interview 1

 

4 – Interview 2

 

Kevin Davis trains civilians and law enforcement on the use of force.  He wrote the book Citizen’s Guide to Armed Defense..and he recently spoke at the recent Rangemaster Tactical Conference.

Welcome Kevin.  His book is “Citizen’s Guide to Armed Defense”

https://www.amazon.com/Citizens-Guide-Armed-Defense-Kevin/dp/1440243638

 

Compare and contrast when police officers should use force vs when civilians should.

So, as a graduate question, help our listeners.  Suppose your adult daughter hears someone banging on her door in the middle of the night.  How should she answer it so she will be safe from an attacker, and from a policeman who is at the wrong house looking for a known criminal.

Kevin R. Davis blog. http://www.kevinrdavisblog.com

 

5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Best Defense

Paul and Kristin Sadler retired to their bedroom one evening last month and their Doberman pinscher, G,  followed.  As they fell asleep, G ran out of the room barking.  They called him back thinking he was aroused by the neighborhood coyotes.  After 15 minutes, G was off again.  This time they heard a man saying “Whoa…whoa.”

 

A home invasion.  The Sadlers had prepared after watching an episode of “The Best Defense” on the Outdoor Channel.  They had felt safe in the country in rural Iowa but after watching the show, they started discussing their plans on what to happen if someone invaded their home.  

 

Plan A. Paul grabs his firearm, but that plan was thwarted when he left his gun in the kitchen.  Fortunately, Kristin Sadler had hers.

 

Plan B. Kristin called 911 and Paul went for his gun.  He snuck into the kitchen, located his gun in the dark and then flicked on the lights.

 

A “clean-cut young man” stood in the kitchen.  Paul pointed his gun at someone for the first time and asked what he was doing.  The man was lost, ran out of gas and clearly confused.  It took authorities 20 minutes to arrive during which time, Paul continued to hold up his gun and they talked.  He said he was a veteran of the recent wars.  They never found out if he was armed.

 

Not every DGU ends with the trigger being pulled.  Like we say you need formal training.  These DGUs are not formal training but they will give you some ideas for situational awareness.  What am I or are we going to do if…..  For preventing a home invasion, lock all ground floor doors and windows.  Have a plan.  Get firearm training for home defense.  Consider a safe room.  Be aware of a your surroundings.  Use these DGUs to consider what can happen and develop a plan in your head on how will you react.  Plan for alone and with your family.

(End of Story)

 

John

Rob- Having a plan kept this intruder alive.  The couple trained to recognize a threat.

Paul – Have you practiced holding at gunpoint? It is NOT easy.

 

Vets like guns

Two career criminals picked the wrong apartment to break into.  That apartment belonged to a Marine vet and his 29 year old son.  The two thugs were  dressed in black, one was holding a 2 foot pipe.  Brian Sant, the veteran was still up at 3 AM after working the late shift when the pair kicked in the door.  He began to fight with the two which woke up this son.  He stepped out of the bedroom and fired at both intruders.  Scorecard 1 dead and 1 in serious condition.

The room temperature thug, Danny Tupu had dozens of convictions ranging from misdemeanors to felonies and was wanted on a warrant for his arrest.  The police immediately ruled the shooting self-defense but later changed their statement saying that the case had been turned over to homicide investigators.  

 

Sant commented “You got veterans living around in these apartments.  You don’t know who has got a gun.”  He stated that he did not know the men or why they picked his apartment to invade. After the last eight years of brilliant salesmanship by Mr. Obama, I think the same could be said of any home.  With Utah lowering the age to 18, even outside the home, you don’t know who will be armed.  (end of story)

 

Uber Crime Encouragement Zones

Uber has a policy prohibiting drivers and riders from carrying firearms.  A 44 year old driver is lucky he ignored that policy.  Just after dropping off a passenger in the early morning hours, two men jumped in his car and one point a gun at him and told him to drive.  He drove to a location on Bienville in New Orleans where he was ordered out of the car.  He got out but fought back and fired on the two, wounding one.  The pair left his car and fled the area.  

Nine days later, NOPD arrested one suspect in the incident who had gotten a private ride to the hospital where he was treated for a gunshot wound to the chest and also confessed to the botched robbery.  When the thug and his “friend” fled, they crossed the Mississippi and his friend dumped him at a gas station and “left him there to die.”  His accomplice is still on the loose.

The governments and companies insist on creating crime encouragement zones.  Uber has a No Guns policy for both drivers and riders.  For the driver, it could mean losing his Uber job.  For a passenger it would mean loss of the use of the service.  If they were caught.  Like was stated in an story from a previous similar incident, “If only criminals obeyed the laws, this rule would make sense.”  Sometimes what they don’t know, won’t hurt them.  For this driver, ignoring company policy may have saved his life.  Uber drivers, or Lyft drivers for that matter, should not forfeit their Second Amendment right to defend themselves when they turn on that available switch in the app. Paul can talk to trucking companies doing the same and has many times. (end of story)

Rob- Some companies ban employees from being armed, yet the company will take out a life insurance policy on the employee, and the company gets paid if the employee dies.

Don’t go in there

While we are on the subject of young thugs, this time in Greenville, NC.  In the middle of the afternoon, the homeowner was notified by his alarm system of a break-in.  He notified police during his drive home.  He found 4 inside when he arrived home.  They ran and he fired after them.  He did manage to wound one in an arm.

 

The five 17 and 18 year olds were caught that same day.  One spent time in the hospital while the others were spending time in the local jail.

 

Why did the homeowner enter his house before the police arrived?  Why did he fire while they were running away?  He didn’t know if they were armed.  He could have been walking into an ambush of sort.  And if they were running away from him, he was not in any danger.  Luckily for him, he is not being charged. (end of story)

 

Rob- Gary, what is best practice in this situation.

John – He is lucky because under NC law what he did was illegal. A guy in Western NC was recently convicted of manslaughter for shooting at a fleeing robber.

Rob- I saw two signs on the ceiling of a DoJo.  They said Breathe, and Keep Working.

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Thank you, Paul.  I wrote “Disarming the Victim- The Latest Shots in the Democrat’s War on Women”  We had a murderer shoot his wife on a “gun free” campus in “gun free” California.  We had a domestic abuse victim murdered while she waited for permission to buy a gun in New Jersey. And we had Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe say that domestic abuse victims should not have guns.  If that isn’t a war on women, then I don’t know what is.

 

I also wrote about having guns on campus, but to know more about that article, you’ll have to look for it at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money?

 

John- I have a number of new posts up since we last recorded. Judicial Watch is suing BATFE for documents related to the proposed ban on green tip 5.56 ammo. President Donald Trump is coming to speak at the NRA Leadership Forum. Trump will be the first president since Reagan to speak to the NRA meeting. Finally, a group of anti-gun law professors – but I repeat myself – have weighed in on the lawsuit pending before the Connecticut Supreme Ct trying to say Bushmaster was at fault for selling “military grade assault weapons” to civilians that was then used to kill school children in Newtown. They say nothing about how the killer obtained the firearm – he killed his own mother!

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Kevin Davis and ??for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Dana, Jae, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,  until next time

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 406 – Andrew Branca

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Andrew Branca

www.lawofselfdefense.com

4- Interview Segment 2: Andrew Branca

www.lawofselfdefense.com

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to episode 406 of the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Andrew Branca about defending yourself legally after you’ve defended yourself physically.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a California man who is forcing the state to give him his guns back

Amanda: I’m Amanda Suffecool and Delta Airlines may be violating Federal law with their new policy on check firearms.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of out DGU’s an Oklahoman with an AR15 defends himself against 3 thugs! .. so climb aboard

Amanda: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 406 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob, Bill Frady was moving last Thursday and Friday.  He asked us to guest host, and Paul was on the road.  I had Cheryl and Dan Todd, Dr. John Edeen and Amanda Suffecool to help me as guest hosts.  It is great to have friends who have their own radio show so I can call them to help me.

 

John – Since we last recorded I have become a NRA Certified Instructor in Basic Pistol. I took the instructor class locally and passed both the written and shooting portions of the class. Dry fire practice really helped me prep for the class. Our class had a range of people ranging from a youth pastor to a retired NY hospital administrator to a metallurgist. We had a total of 9 in the class. There are two groups I hope to teach in Basic Pistol – the newbies who bought firearms in the last couple of years and school teachers. I’d like to run a class for teachers showing them how to safely handle a firearm if a kid should bring one to school.

 

Rob- Thank you, John.  That is a great idea.

 

Amanda – this week I am practicing quick drawing for a movie audition in cleveland.  Who knows if they will pick me,  but this is definitely outside of my comfort zone.  And in the gun toys area… can I tell you about a new toy that I just got?  MantisX

 

Gary

 

Paul/Susan very busy few weeks. Arkansas run (BEAUTIFUL Southwestern Missouri) Run to PA and gave away Ice Cream!  New classes booked, get to that in the training segment. Local woman murdered – offering free training.

 

Vicki Kawelmacher is an instructor who did the same thing in Reno, Nevada. https://www.facebook.com/womensshootingacademy

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/04/04/stalking-victim-protective-orders-not-enough-women-need-handguns/

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

(June 9-11 2017). MAG-30. Georgetown, TX

(June 24, 25th 2017).  Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced.  9am -5pm both days. Richmond, IL

(July 8, 2017) Defensive Rifle Skills for the Armed Citizen

(August 10-13, 2017). MAG-40. Sioux Falls, SD

(August 26 & 27, 2017). Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD

(Saturday, February 3, 2018)Law of Self Defense LEVEL 1 Class: South Dakota

(Saturday, February 4, 2018)Law of Self Defense LEVEL 2 Class: South Dakota

 

Break

2- News 1

Rob- A Clovis California family forces the state to return 500 guns

Albert Shaklee, the former budget director of a hospital in the Fresno area sought some psychological help in 2014. We don’t know and it doesn’t matter what for. What matters is that seeking that help caused the FFL holder to come under the attention of Kamala Harris, the California attorney general who wanted to run for Senate.  Harris was looking to make some headlines, and she proceeded to do just that.

 

Harris ordered the raid of Shaklee’s home and then widely publicised the seizure of 209 handguns, 88 shotguns, 234 rifles, 181 standard capacity magazines, 10 high capacity magazines, 100,521 rounds of various ammunition, and 10 firearms registered with the DOJ as “assault weapons” including a .50 caliber rifle.

 

The problem is that Shaklee had committed no crimes. He wasn’t accused of any crimes. , all he had done was seek mental health help. That mattered nothing to Harris who had a campaign to run.

 

The raid found the guns in a locked and alarmed safe and all of the weapons that required registration in California were registered. As of last July the district attorney for Fresno county declared the situation resolved and that there would be no charges against Shaklee, yet they kept the guns.  

 

This week some justice has prevailed. A court has ordered the guns be turned over to a FFL so they can be returned to Shaklee. (end of story)

 

Paul – This is horrifying. A case where gun owners can reasonably fear if they seek mental health care that their rights will be taken from them thereby insuring that they do not seek the care they may need.

John – I read some of the comments on the story. One question asked why anyone needs 500 firearms.

Amanda – was he a FFL himself? Did they take his livelihood?  And hold it for more than a year

Gary –

Rob-

 

JohnDoes Delta Airlines New Policy to Zip Tie Luggage Containing Firearms Violate Federal Law?

Guns.com is reporting that Delta Airlines has quietly changed its policy related to passengers who are flying with guns. According to the NBC Affiliate in Fort Lauderdale. This policy was apparently implemented after the shooting that occurred in the Fort Lauderdale airport, after the criminal retrieved his luggage, went to the bathroom to load his firearm and then proceeded to murder five people and injured six others. The airline will now have special tags to alert ground handlers to not put bags carrying weapons on the general carousel.

The baggage will go directly to a baggage service agent who is required to perform an ID check on the passenger who picks up the luggage, sources told NBC 6. The agent must then use zip ties to secure the bag.

 

Interestingly enough, it appears that Delta may be in violation of federal law by implementing such a policy.

John – The law that this may very well violate is none other than the Brady Bill!

Rob- https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

18 U.S. Code § 922 – Unlawful acts section e-  …No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container … contains a firearm.”

 

Amanda –  Rob and I are flying DELTA to go train at the AG&AG conference in two weeks.   What can I expect?  

 

Paul – this is a great identifier for thieves that work for the airlines.

Gary –

 

Rob- How can I carry wire cutter to cut the airlines cable ties?

Amanda – perhaps I just don’t fly with my FAVORITE gun.  

 

Gary- New Nevada Bill Allows Home Invaders to Sue You if You Shoot Them

 

A man’s home is his castle, or so the saying goes. And people should be able to protect their homes – including our most precious asset, our families – against intruders without fear of a lawsuit.

 

Some Nevada politicians are trying to change that. They think that you should be financially liable for any injuries they sustain when you defend yourself — even in your home.

 

Does that sound convoluted? It is. And, it’s ridiculous. If someone is invading your home, the last thing you should be thinking about is being sued if you use force to defend yourself or your family.

 

Senate Bill 254 removes the provision in Nevada law protecting people from civil liability when they justifiably use potentially deadly force against a person who is injured or killed while invading their home.

 

Rob- I will bet you odds that this bill was sponsored by the Nevada state bar association.

 

Rob- Both Nevada houses have Democrat majorities.

John – Civil immunity was part of NC’s Castle Doctrine adopted in 2011.

 

Gun Quotes: Every time something really bad happens, people cry out for safety, and the government answers by taking rights away from good people.   Penn Jillette

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Andrew Branca.

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3- Interview 1

Andrew Branca.  Law of Self-Defense.

CLE credit.

Say very little unless you’ve studied what to say.  Don’t blather.

 

Innocent by reason of..

Do prepaid services cover your costs?  Andrew works with all of them.

Gary- Have any of your students been involved in self-defense cases?

Andrew- Students get angry at me when I explain the law.  Don’t get angry at me if you don’t like the law.  Change it.

 

John – You did great work on Legal Insurrection educating people on the issues in the Trayvon Martin case. What or how can the media be educated on the difference between Stand Your Ground and the Castle Doctrine?

Andrew- The media often needs to inflame more than they want to inform.

Rob- Our listeners are the good guys.  Most self-defense claims in court are brought by criminals.

 

4- Interview 2

Andrew Branca.  Law of Self-Defense. (Part 2)

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5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Three Against One AR-15

Early in the morning, five criminals quietly approached a Broken Arrow, Oklahoma home. They had previously burglarized the house’s detached apartment, now they returned to rob the main house, seeking more expensive goods and cash. The three experienced home-invaders were outfitted for their crime; dressed all in black, masked, gloved and armed. One or two waited outside in the car as planned. The team moved silently to the back of the house, then smashed the back glass door and rushed inside.  

The crash startled Zachary Peters, 23, awake. He ran to investigate and to protect his father, who was also in residence.  On the way out of his bedroom, he grabbed a firearm, a wise move. Peters found three black garbed men in the home’s kitchen and faced with those overwhelming odds he feared for his life and fired. Peters then retreated, barricaded himself in his bedroom and called 911. Given the events, he described the situation in a remarkably controlled manner and pleaded for the 911 operator to quickly send medical help for his assailants.       

 

Arriving deputies found all three intruders dead from single gunshot wounds; one was in the driveway, two were still inside the house. The home’s two residents were uninjured. There was no sign of a getaway car.


Up to this point, this was a somewhat unremarkable home-invasion. It was just another example of this type of crime – a crime that is becoming increasingly prevalent. Perhaps it was a bit unusual, as the intrusion was actually thwarted. However, with the successful use of a civilian firearm, there would have been little notice given by the mainstream media. The story would have been largely forgotten; except for one fact: the firearm used was the left’s despised boogieman: the AR-15.  

The publicized hand-wringing was immediate and intense. Many media reports questioned the “fairness” of using an AR-15, even in a fight for life. Some fixated on the young age of the criminals, ignoring that two were actually adults and their ages were masked by their garb. Very few reports mentioned the potentially deadly nature of the three-on-one assault. In a sympathetic jailhouse interview, the getaway driver, ironically called “the mastermind”, admitted to the home-invasion and other robberies, but wouldn’t take responsibility for the “murders.” The grandfather of a deceased claimed that his grandson shouldn’t have died for a “bad decision.” The cameras were tightly focused when the grieving man said; “There’s got to be a limit to that law.” Other mass media reports hoped that this case would somehow test the Stand Your Ground laws and all but called for the homeowner’s son’s arrest.

Perhaps one of the more over-the-top examples was ABC Good Morning America’s legal analyst, Nancy Grace. In a rambling, error-filled, tour de farce pulled directly from her ample behind, Grace first incorrectly tied Stand Your Ground to the George Zimmerman case, then defamed it as the “Make My Day” law. To her, AR-15s were “considered bad” and “just like a M-16 military rifle… a semi-automatic weapon.” She further smeared Oklahoma’s laws as an homage to Dirty Harry. No less an elite than ABC’s World News Tonight anchor David Muir reported on the Broken Arrow shootings during the GMA segment. From beneath his trademark deeply furrowed, concerned brow, Muir described Grace as one who “always cuts to the chase.” Our listeners are invited to determine for themselves just what Grace was cutting.

 

In Andrew Branca’s excellent National Review piece; “Mainstream Media Gets ‘Stand Your Ground’ Laws Wrong — Again”, Oklahoma’s Castle Doctrine is identified as the controlling law. The state’s legislation holds that while in their home, it is presumed the defender has a reasonable fear of death or bodily harm and that the intruders intend to commit violence. With those presumptions, a finding of self-defense is very likely. The police are in apparent agreement; while the event is still being investigated, the Wagoner County Sheriff has officially stated that Zachary Peters’ use of force was justified.

 

There is little to celebrate in this sad affair, except that the victim is alive and will not be victimized a second time by a criminal and civil legal system unjustly concerned with “fairness” and the choice of life-saving equipment. Unfortunately, the mass media will not be as principled.  
What this tragic event amply illustrates is the media’s obvious biases and proud and willful lack of firearm and self-defense knowledge — as well as their overwhelming desire to inflict their biases on the American public.

 

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Gary – Also listening to the 911 recording the, victim said one of the criminals was still in the house and talking and she proceeded to tell him to unload the gun.

John – Nancy Grace is a disgrace to the legal profession and has skirted legal ethics more than once.

Rob- Five on One.  One of the fleeing criminals died on the driveway as the getaway car drove off without them.  The victim had presence of mind to tell the police that the family had dogs and that the dogs were not a threat to the police.

Amanda – 5 on 1,  3 on 1.  that was my first thought – they had brass knuckles and Knives, and 3 on 1.  Yet they- the anti gun agenda folks were singing –  Its not fair.

Paul – I cannot remember who said it, but it’s true… “If you are in a fair fight your tactics suck”

 

Don’t piss off the old guy

When you have had your home broken into 13 times since last summer, you tend to prepare for the next time.  Granted most of the 13 were while you were away.  The 79 year old homeowner was asleep in his home when he was jolted awake by loud noises coming from his basement. The 3 home invaders moved to the floor where his bedroom was and entered his bedroom.  By the time they entered his room he had armed himself with his .38 revolver.  “It was just POW POW POW.”  He got off 5 shots.  1 thug was killed and 2 of the thugs ran and the homeowner chased them.  There were shots returned in the homeowners direction and he was hit in the ankle with a through and through wound.  “I never felt it.  I fell twice.”

 

The shooting was ruled justifiable.  Although POGO applies to waking hours, it is wise to have a firearm within easy reach while in bed.(end of story)

 

Paul – I would like to discuss

Gary –

John – No kids in the house but will be getting a easy-open bedside safe for when my granddaughter comes to visit.

Amanda –  even if you have kids –   you can get into good a

quality safe in less than 4 seconds.

Rob- I had a young man ask about guns.. But he said he needed a safe before he brought guns into his home.  One of my instructors said she is very good at opening her safe.. Because she does it every morning.

Look at Hornady bedside safes, or a simplex lock.

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Voicemails… 2 of them!

 

Amanda – DIck Durbin story.   Dc project

 

Text Message #1 Have to step aside for a second. Please continue

 

Can we acknowledge how awful it is to wear flip flops in public? Call me overly tactical but those are terribly unprepared for dangerous circumstances. -CB

 

Rob- Police investigators mentioned criminals looking for girls wearing flip flops or wearing high heels.  

John – I just think of 9-11 and those who had to evacuate the Twin Towers ran into problems with their office heels.

 

Text message #2

Just listened to 405 subj: deep conceal. I work a University with a required dress code. I’ve tried the smart carry rig, the belly band rig, but now am sold on the bugbite ankle rig it is amazing. i carry the g-42 8-10 hrs a day no one notices and it is extremely comfortable/thanks for the show

 

Mr Anonymous asks about deep concealment pocket holsters

Hi, Paul & crew

I sent a brief text while traveling but felt the need to elaborate on the subject of deep carry options.

First, thank you for your labor of love and the service you provide through your podcast. I especially enjoy hearing different perspectives from your round table discussions.

I work at a University and have a uniform provided. I can somewhat relate to the nurse who raised a question about carry options as well as the practice. Rachel’s answer was spot on. Each person must decide based on what they consider an acceptable risk.

 

I wish to address the secondary issue of how to carry. Over the years I have tried a variety of options which are all compromises but nonetheless, “better to have it and not need it” has been my mantra.

 

I’ve used the following: Ruger LCP in a nemesis pocket holster; the same in a galco bellyband; a J-frame in a smart carry; but I’ve settled on the G-42 in a new product called the bugbite ankle holster; It is the most comfortable rig I have ever worn. Honestly, after a one day wear/break in period you don’t even know you are wearing it. The first week I committed the mistake of touching the area just to make sure it was there. It feels tight for the first few minutes of putting it on but after that, the material conforms to your calf/ankle and you are on your way.

This is not a quick draw option but it is a comforting one. I just wanted to pass it on for what it’s worth.

Sent in by Mr Anonymous

 

A Michigander writes in

 

Hello All –

Just finished listening to Episode 405.

Gary mentioned he was going to have the opportunity to hear Mr. David Keene, one of the authors of the book Shall Not Be Infringed, the New Assaults on Your Second Amendment, speak.

So, Gary… did Mr. Keene speak about the United Nations “Arms Trade Treaty?” I finished the book recently and was surprised how much of the book was dedicated to explaining the Arms Trade Treaty and how the United Nationals works (or doesn’t work). I know the book’s perspective is one-sided considering one of the authors is a former NRA President; nevertheless, the facts are the facts. I think the authors intended the book to be read before the election and in preparation for a Hillary Presidency.

It was really disturbing to hear how an American President (Obama) orchestrated and planned a complete end-around on the 2nd Amendment and the delivery of the American people as in… “We the People” … to the will of the U.N.

So, do you guys think the US Senate would ever ratify a U.N. treaty that would so flagrantly violate the Bill of Rights?

Clearly that was the game plan if Hillary got the Presidency and the far-Left did better in the Senate last November.

I don’t remember…did anybody bring up President Obama’s failure to up hold the Constitution and his Oath of Office when he asked the U.N. to put the Arms Trade Treaty up for approval shortly after he won his second term.

Regards,

Your Faithful Anonymous Michigan Listener

 

John – Only if they can get 67 votes to ratify the treaty.

Amanda – we want it pulled up to vote and KILL it

 

A listener offers Rob some advice

Another good podcast.  Early on, one gentleman said he was coming to Austin for a MAG20 class.  I trust that he is a responsible adult and purchased a round trip ticket.  Also, once back home, I encourage him to tell everyone what a wonderful place Lubbock is.

— Matt

Rob-  Dear Matt.  I’ll drive.  They have lanes that lead in, and lanes that lead out of Austin.

 

Finally Clayton chimes in

Okay so every decent trainer knows the value of dry fire. But I have never heard anyone address the incorrect “muscle memory” neurological pathway training of giving your Glock/Smith and Wesson/etc. a quick slide rack between every single trigger pull. Anybody with a reeeeally high dry to live fire ratio might be affecting their performance under adrenaline. Thoughts?

 

Rob- I get it.  Clayton is …

If you are doing a lot of dry fire, then get a SIRT pistol.

 

Amanda – my walther does not require it..

Gary-

John – I love my SIRT but I’d also suggest a revolver. If you can smoothly pull the trigger in a double action revolver, it will help all the rest.

have a

 

-Clayton Some More

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2017/03/27/violence-and-utopia-realism-and-idealism-in-the-age-of-gun-control/

 

Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

There are a couple of post I’d like to point out. First, I have updated Every Picture Tells A Story to include the newest Constitutional Carry states. When Rob Vance and I started this series, Illinois still didn’t have concealed carry and only 3-4 states had permitless carry. The other post illustrates the battle between science and ideologues over suppressors and the Hearing Protection Act. The post has a link to the recent white paper put out by Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership endorsing suppressors on public health grounds.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Ask Amanda what has been going on at Eye on the Target Radio

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Andrew Branca for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Dana, Jae, Amanda, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Amanda: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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