Episode 405- Victoria Taft, Brian Hill, and Melissa Sutton

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/405.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Melissa Sutton

Links- http://toesinthesandtravel.agentstudio.com/

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest  Brian Hill

Links – http://rachealsrest.org/

http://www.thecompletecombatant.com/

5- Interview Segment 3-  Victoria Taft

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close pt 1:

8- Email/Blog Posts and Show Close 2

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, March 21st, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we have a personal protection story where a thug brought an ax to a gunfight.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the far side of the gun counter.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and I’m excited to announce a hearing for constitutional carry in Texas!

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about husband and wife teamwork .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 405  of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob-  I put out another episode of the Self-Defense Gun Stories podcast just before I went to the Rangemaster Tactical Conference in Little Rock, Arkansas.  I got to talk with some friends from Texas while I was there.  They are Bob Mayne, Ben Branam, Dr. John Edeen.  I talked with Jeff and Robyn Street from Florida.  We got to visit with Tom and Toby from the Armed Squirrels Project.  I also saw Paul Carlson, Marty Hayes and Massad Ayoob.  There were certainly some fascinating lectures and demonstrations.  Paul, I saw a very vivid demonstration on the flaws of competition shooting.

 

I signed up for a MAG20 in Austin, Texas.

 

John – I have been taking the NRA’s online basic pistol class in preparation for Basic Pistol Instructor Training this coming weekend. As part of that training, you have to take the online portion of Basic Pistol. I will say this – it is comprehensive! In other gun news, we have finally have our Form 4 for a suppressor approved by the ATF. It only took 9 months, 6 days or 279 days from start to finish. I am waiting for the dealer to ship it to me. As to my Form 1’s, I’m guessing 12 months because they were filed in July. Maybe the Hearing Protection Act will be passed in the meantime!

 

Rachel

  • Texas GOLD was a success!
  • ALL HANDS ON DECK for a committee hearing for Constitutional Carry in Texas. It will be Tuesday, March 28. We are asking everyone who possibly can to come to the Capitol sometime that day before the hearing is over and simply register your position in SUPPORT of the bill. More info here: http://www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/SupportConstitutionalCarryinTexas.pdf
  • Shooting / teaching news: I did a 3-day run n gun – it was a little long. I taught a mother-daughter MAG-20 – it was lovely. I scheduled my next public MAG-20 for May 20-21 – I am excited.
  • Activist tip of the day: Google is your friend.

 

Gary

 

Paul/Susan Going out to eat. Constitutional carry vetoed in SD North dakota has passed it and the governor has said he will sign

 

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Break

FSOGC – Charlie Foxtrot

 

The Far Side of the Gun Counter

 

Customers

The retail gun game is a hard one. One of the most onerous parts of the job are the obsessive fans of one particular firearm manufacturer. They’re usually easy to identify; look for the slack-jawed, glassy-eyed and drooling. When you spot that customer standing at that counter — like that uncle standing under that mistletoed doorway — your soul dies just a little – again.  But, the customer is holding their turn-ticket like a Key to the Kingdom, and likewise it’s your turn in the barrel, so you mentally sigh, force a smile, unlock the drool-stained showcase with its well-licked glass, and show the customer his preciousssss.   

These customers are drawn to the expensive, overly pretty guns, with their shiny finish, mirrored flats, flashy grips and overdone details. They reach out with grasping claws, eager to fondle their object of desire. Many exhibit psychosomatic tics, like repeatedly mouthing the sale tags out-loud, while overemphasizing the words “Ultra”, “Super”, “Pro”, “Raptor” and “Master.” They obsess over the “Custom” monicker of the mass-produced guns. Others violently shake the firearm, manipulate the safety, repeatedly rack the slide, or compulsively drop and reinsert the magazine, as if to demonstrate some mastery over the powerful icon.

 

        And they always want to talk – at length. Many parrot the advertising on the backs of most gun magazines. They’re full of outrageous tales, like 300 yard one hole groups and instantaneous pinkie knockdowns. More often than not, they claim “my gun has never jammed.” This might actually be true, as few of those guns ever leave the sock drawer after purchase. These fan boys are inhabitants of the far left of the Dunning-Kruger Opinion v Knowledge curve, given all the ignorant nonsense they continuously and confidently spout. Excessive rolling of the eyes is a leading health issue of firearm’s salesmen.  

What these customers seldom do is buy. They’re gun tourists, firearm pilgrims. They simply want to bask in the awesomeness of their icon. They’re drawn to the worship like primitives to the golden idol. Deep in their desiccated souls, they must realize they are not worthy of their god-iron. So they drool, they sigh, they wish and they use the time of the firearm sales associate very extravagantly.

        Don’t be a Kimdiot. Or failing that, poke some good-natured fun at all those Smith and Wesson fanatics while they’re laughing at the Grip-Zone crowd, who are calling the SIGophants snotty for looking down their noses at the Ruger Kids. To plagiarize the 20th Century’s leading philosopher, Rodney King, “Can’t we all get along and hate on Hi-Points?”

That was from Charlie Foxtrot, a self admitted Glock fanboy, for the Polite Society Podcast.

 

Gun Quotes (tonight we have 2 gun quotes.

  • We don’t own these skills. We lease them. And if we don’t make payments they’ll be repossessed.- Glenn Plunkett
  • “A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.” – Frederick Douglass

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our Defensive Gun Use segment.

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3- Interview 1

 

4- Interview 2

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended to spark discussion and consideration, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Rachel- Home Invasion Actually Attempted Murder?   

What initially looked like an all too common violent home invasion, is now looking to be something much more sinister.

A seventy-seven year old was awakened by a loud crash in the night. A man had used a pickaxe to batter down an outside door. When the intruder destroyed his bedroom door with the pickaxe, the terrified resident resorted to his own weapon, and he fired the gun at the attacker. The Foley, Alabama police arrived at the residence, which also served as the office of Elite Marine, and found Sedrick D. Jemison Jr., 20, dead from a gunshot wound.  

The case was before a grand jury to  examine the claim of self-defense when additional facts came to light. Evidence placed Adam Klifton Bond, 32, and Katlyn Renee White, 20, near the crime scene. The two were arrested, with White being identified as the getaway driver and Bond labeled as the criminal mastermind of the crime. One of them later fingered Corey Deandres Marshall, 19, as being with Jemison during the home invasion. When axeman Jemison was killed, Marshall fled. All three may be charged with Felony Murder for the death of their fellow criminal.  Additional charges are possible for other as yet unnamed participants. Marshall has also charged for a strong armed robbery where he and Jemison hit and choked a woman who had given them a ride. They rewarded her kindness by beating her and stealing her wallet.   

The Baldwin County District Attorney’s Office has not disclosed why the elderly man was targeted for assault and probable murder. The motive may have to do with cash in the Elite Marine office. What is known, it’s very likely the 77-year-old’s use of his firearm saved his life.    

 

The anti-firearm Gun Memorial website “lit a candle” for the deceased thug. No mention was made of the man he was apparently about to kill.    

 

Rob- I bet it was hard for the victim to hear the police after the victim had to shoot the thug several times while shooting inside his bedroom.

John-

Rachel-

 

Rob- Bringing a Rope to a Home Invasion

A Moncks Corner, South Carolina man was forced to defend his family when a violent criminal broke down his door. Rope found on the dead man points to darker plans in the home invasion.

  The resident, his wife and two small children were home when the doorbell rang. The wife opened the door to Juanita Marie English, 28, who was allegedly posing as a member of the homeowners association. English asked a few general questions, then waved toward a car. A masked, gloved man emerged armed with a pistol with a green laser. Seeing the approaching deadly threat, the woman alertly slammed and locked the door and screamed out a warning for her husband.

The armed man kicked open the door. However, the homeowner Justin Washington, 28, stood in his way. Fortunately for the family, the father had his own gun.   

Police arrived to find Elijah Akeem White Jr., 30, dead from four gunshot wounds. White had staggered out of the house to the walk where he died. English fled in the car, but was later pulled over for erratic driving. A search found the name badge she had used when posing as the HOA official. She could be charged with first-degree burglary and criminal conspiracy.


Don’t shed too many tears for the deceased thug, he came armed and ready to do violence. He came with rope in his pockets, showing an intent to tie up the residents. What he intended to do to the helpless man, woman and children can only be the stuff of nightmares. The Moncks Corner Chief of Police said; “There was no doubt he was there to do some serious harm to this family.” All this was in line with White’s long record as a career criminal, with convictions for burglary, weapons and drug possession and prison rioting.

 

“This homeowner had to do what was necessary to protect his family,” according to the Chief. As such, the county prosecutor will not charge the homeowner with any crime. As the coroner said; “In Berkeley County, if you kick someone’s door in and you get shot, as long as I’m coroner, that will be justifiable homicide.”

 

We will point out several important elements of this episode: First, the wife’s alertness and decisive action in slamming and locking the door, then shouting a warning to her husband. Second, the husband’s immediate and effective response to the sudden threat to his family. Third, the rapid availability of the life-saving firearm. In a household with two small children, we can certainly postulate that he had the gun on his person – he had little time for anything else. That’s the advantage of POGO. Lastly, we must reflect on what might have happened in areas with less rational laws and officials. The Washington family may have suffered grievous injury or worse by being disarmed by laws that didn’t affect the lawless in the slightest.  

 

Paul

 

Rob- You will not have time think in an emergency.  You will have time to execute a plan you prepared ahead of time.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email #1 with the subject line “Tacticool vs Grey Man”

 

John – Hello everyone.

 

I would first like to say I really enjoy your podcast and I have been learning a lot about many of the Second Amendment struggles across the country from you. Thank you!

 

I have had a CCW for over nineteen years.  I believe every person that decides to carry concealed has made a very personal decision and commitment to do so.  I have found peoples philosophy on concealed carry to be just as diverse as people themselves.

 

I would like to hear the groups thoughts about the pros and cons of TactiCool Vs.Gray Man carry.

 

If a bad guy sees a Sheep Dog he may rethink his plans and just leave.

But if you blend in with the sheep you have an element of surprise or possible escape and evasion.

 

Thank you for your thoughts and keep up the good work.

 

Brett from Oregon

 

Paul – this has shades of open carry vs concealed. Personally I have developed 2 “styles” around my concealed carry. #1, winter carry. Large jacket (right now my favorite is barn coat) and everything on an OWB holster (Gun/light/spare mag) with 1 spare mag in strong side coat pocket. Summer carry is a large hawaiian shirt with IWB and pants pocket for the flash.

 

I somewhat disagree with “the sheepdog gets shot first” and honestly think that when we talk criminals they aren’t the sharpest knife in the drawer anyway. If they are paying attention, you will likely be passed over BECAUSE you are paying attention, not because you are open carrying or look like you might be carrying. The criminals that we need to worry about the most are those that are high on a mind altering substance, to get courage up or whatever. Those are the ones who will act without much forethought and are not going to change tactics mid-stream when things around them change. Let’s face it the bad guy is usually looking to make a quick score and escape. The dangerous criminals are the ones with impaired cognition who will keep going after the stop command.

 

Rachel – um, are those my only choices? Because I take issue with being asked to pick either TactiCool or Gray Man. I carry both open and concealed, depending on what I’m going to be doing, what gun I want, what I’m wearing, and my mood. When I open carry in everyday life, I don’t think anyone would accuse me of looking TactiCool. I don’t dress so that everybody notices the gun first.

 

When I conceal, I almost try to make a point of looking more “tactical” (I hate that word – let’s say, prepared and ready to defend myself). My intent is not to infiltrate and attack. My goal is to AVOID harm. I feel the best way to do that is to be clear that it is not wise to pick me as a target. I don’t conceal for the element of surprise. I conceal because sometimes that’s the most practical way to carry for certain activities, or sometimes it wouldn’t be professional to have an OC gun.

 

Story of OC in downtown Austin

 

Rob- We’ve had several Open Carriers robbed in New Orleans.  I don’t OC alone.  I also don’t try to look like the police or military.

Gary-

Paul- concealed carry badges. PLEASE DEAR GOD NO!

John- No one would accuse me of looking tacticool – I look ordinary which I what I consider grey man.

Rob-

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Gary – Today I would like to start a group discussion about carrying against an employer’s wishes and deep concealment options for men and women.

My question is inspired by meeting a pretty young woman who informed me she was disarmed for the day because she works at a local hospital I won’t name.

Here in Minnesota that policy does not hold the force of law, alike any private business that bans carry. (Excluding the scarce few state hospitals)

She told me she would be fired and shunned from the medical industry if she were found out because they all communicate with each other.

Are there any pro gun doctors or anyone in the medical field out there with some advice? I’m thinking that scrubs easily conceal a belly band and I’d rather be fired than dead if I’m forced to out myself.
Thanks in advance!

-Clayton again.

 

Paul – Dr Edeen

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Rachel- Each of us is responsible for our own decisions. It’s just important to think through and understand what decision we’re being made, and what the costs are, and how likely we are to have to pay the costs. (1) Legality  (2) Breach of contract  (3) Disapproval of employer  (4) Threats to my life

 

Rob- Doctors told me they carry off body in the hospital.

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Paul – Hello Crew,

 

After listening to Episode 403, I’d like to offer a quick correction about Lefse.

Although sometimes served at the same meal, Lefse and Lutefisk are indeed quite different.

Lutefisk is the nasty, lye soaked fish that no one in their right mind actually eats.

 

Lefse, on the other hand, is a fairly tasty Norwegian style flat bread, usually a dessert or snack.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lefse

 

This is the first time I’ve emailed, but I have had the pleasure of meeting all of you in person, with the exception of Charlie Foxtrot of course.

I love the podcast, and I’ve listened to almost every show for about the last 3 years.

Thank you to the entire crew for their time each week to provide a quality show.

 

I’m looking forward to meeting up with everyone again this year at GRPC.

 

Brent

(Not  a Norwegian, but a Minnesotan nonetheless)

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Rachel-  Hi,

 

Do you consider dry fire drills valuable, and if so would you describe the drills that you

find most helpful? Only in the last several months have I heard about this type of practice, and when I follow some of the drills I found on YouTube for trigger control, I don’t feel they are helpful, but I must be missing something. I practice drawing from concealment and clearing malfunctions “dry”, and I know these have helped, but I’m struggling with the trigger drills.

 

Thank you very much! Love the Podcast.

 

Regards,

 

Brian

Joshua, TX

 

Rob- The dry practice drill that I enjoy is to put a small dot on a post it note.  Then I put the post it note right beyond the end of my muzzle.  Now you can REALLY see if you shake as you press the trigger.  I also hold that position for 30 seconds while giving a really strong squeeze.

 

I also use a SIRT

 

Rachel- My favorite dry fire drill is punching out from ready, or from a draw – training myself to follow the sight out to target, get on target quickly. Warning: keep your crush grip. Danger of too much dry fire and no live fire is you lose the grip you need for recoil.

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Rob – Hi,

I had a question about why are items like short barrel rifles and short barrel shotguns regulated by the BATFE? This seems absurd. In Texas, at least, we can buy pistols and rifles, so what’s the big deal over the size in between? Isn’t a SBR just a short rifle, or even just a long pistol? And what causes a pistol with a second vertical grip to be so dangerous that it has to be registered as a Class II weapon? When I asked a friend about an AR pistol he was interested in, he commented that it was just like a pistol, but if you put it up against your shoulder is becomes regulated, what? Sorry, I don’t have much background in the history behind BATFE and these laws, are they for real? I don’t get the logic.

 

Thank you. I love the podcast, and appreciate the time all of you put into it.

Regards,

 

Brian

Joshua, Tx

 

Rachel – it seems absurd because it is absurd. 😛

John – There is no logic. Historically the NFA meant to ban handguns but there was opposition. As I understand it they forgot to take our SBR and SBShotguns.

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- When it comes to the field of gun-free zones, we can’t learn everything from our own experience. We can learn from experts who’ve concentrated the experience from many thousands of lives.   

 

The experts say time is critical in an emergency.  They say we are the only solution until help arrives.  We are the only first responders who can limit the damage caused by the next violent criminal.  Read more of the article, “What the Experts say about Self-Defense and Gun-Free Zones

 

That is up at Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I haven’t been blogging as much as I’d like the past week or so. Nonetheless, I’d like to point our listeners to Judge Neil Gorsuch’s testimony regarding the Heller decision. I have it excerpted on my blog. He leaves Dianne Feinstein frustrated with her gotcha questions.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Talk about CF

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 404 – Greg Hopkins, Kevin Sona, and Philip Journey

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Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/404.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- Interview 1 Greg Hopkins Part 1

3- Interview 2 Greg Hopkins Part 2

4- Interview 3 Kevin Sona

5- Interview 4 Judge Phillip Journey

6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close pt1

7- Email Pt2

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, March 7th, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Greg Hopkins about the death penalty

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Kevin Sona about a new Facebook Group and some things happening with Florida Carry

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and one of our emailers thinks that Rob is all that AND a bag of chips! So climb aboard!

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 404 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob-  I was on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio program last Friday.  We set up that interview as I was on the road from a 10 day road trip.  I got to post an article written by Shayna Lopez-Rivas.  She was raped on a Florida College campus and she is tired of being disarmed.  Republicans, take note.  Next week I go to the Rangemaster Tactical Training conference in Little Rock.  Just when I finally got a few episodes of self-defense gun stories.

 

John – I attended the Winston-Salem gun show last weekend and will be working the Grass Roots NC booth this weekend at the Asheville Gun Show. I talked to the volunteers at the GRNC booth in Winston and they were having a very successful show getting new members and email alert signups. Just because we avoided gun-magedon by electing Trump, we will still have to fight hard for our rights. Even with supposedly pro-gun Republicans in charge in Congress and many state legislatures, even they can be obstacles as Paul well knows in South Dakota. I may be taking the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor course in about 3 weeks. Should I?

 

Rob- What is with your attorney General in North Carolina?  Yes, take the basic pistol instructor course.

Gary- Ammo order, Constitutional Carry

Paul/Susan

 

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Gun Quotes

“Good instructors have a sufficient depth of knowledge, experience, and empathy so as to understand and sympathize with all students who come to them, not just the young, strong, and fit.” – John Farnam

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our Interview with Greg Hopkins

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2- Interview 1 Greg Hopkins Part 1

 

3- Interview 2 Greg Hopkins Part 2

 

4- Interview 3 Kevin Sona

 

5- Interview 4 Judge Phillip Journey

 

6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Voice mail about tire thumpers

 

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Text message #1

 

Bless y’all’s hearts! 😂

I’d like Gary to confirm or deny the magazine capacity limit in Illinois and let us know if that applies to travelers please!

Clayton

 

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Text Message #2

 

Hey guys, I just couldn’t sit back and let lefse be slandered as it was, I think it is being confused with something else. Lefse is made from potatoes, flour, cream, butter and sugar, rolled out like a tortilla and cooked on a griddle. Spread with butter and sprinkle with sugar

Absolutely terrific! Lutefisk on the other had deserves every bad word spoken of it! Love the podcast guys, keep up the great work! Bryan from NW Minnesota.

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Email from Clayton

 

Just wanted to say thank you to Rob for everything he brings to the table. Rob single handedly shuts down 90% of my potential feedback because he thinks almost exactly the way I do and asks almost every question I want asked and reminds everyone of perspectives I would have written in to remind them of. I’m a big fan of the podcast Self Defense Gun Stories. You’re doing a great job.
-actual Clayton

 

Paul: Rob, I think that you owe Clayton $20

 

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Rob

Email from Bill Clinton (no not really)

 

Hello Everybody –

Please keep me anonymous, thanks.

Just finished listening to the 400th episode, outstanding episode!!  that was very cool, …live radio, Mas, and Gail Pepin outstanding…

Your podcast usually gets me home on my commute and ends as I pull in the drive way.

The episode was a little longer, so I ended up sitting in my car, in the garage, and listened while the show finished up.

Thanks for answering my question on MAG40 ….I will be attending class in October.

So, here’s my topic for discussion or suggestion for your listeners.

I am not a Constitution scholar or lawyer, I am just an ordinary guy, but I generally understand what the Second Amendment is all about.

During the Presidential campaign, Hillary almost convulsed when she was asked, or spoke about the “Heller Decision.”

So, I decided to do something I have never done…. I read the Supreme Court decision…the District of Columbia v Heller.

Wow!! Now I understand why Hillary became so unglued at the very mention of the Heller Decision.

It probably wasn’t the Court’s finding in favor of Heller; DC’s prohibition of the gun registration, and the required rendering of the gun as inoperable for self-defense while in Heller’s home, seemed far reaching.

Justice Scalia took the opportunity to skillfully lay down the legal precedent for others to use.

Justice Scalia articulated the right is afforded to the individual, as in the singular human being….

and the scope of the right as intended by the Founders of the Second Amendment.

The Justice even dissected, with historical reference, what is meant by “bear” when used with “keep and bear arms.”

Ya… there were sentences/paragraphs, I read three and four times that were packed with “legalese” and legal citations which were difficult to understand.

But that shouldn’t preclude anybody, or intimidate anybody from reading the Court’s decision…both sides of the argument.

There are some real “Scalia-gems” in this document that will equip you to rebut the most ardent opponent to the individual right.

I recommend reading Heller for your listeners, if nothing else it is a terrific American history lesson.

Keep up the good work, I love the show

        On to Miller and McDonald….

 

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Gary

 

A Doctor talks POGO

 

>From the time I got involved with DRGO and introduced to your podcast by Dr. John Edeen, I have tried to listen as much as possible.  Especially since this past GRPC. I get great information from your shows and always enjoy everyone’s point of view.  

I want to thank Susan for referrring her primary care physician to DRGO, keep up the good work.

 

I really love the POGO as a general rule, but as rules go there are always exceptions.   Many times when I get up I don’t get dressed right away, (I’m not too much of a minority here am I?).  I put on my robe, eat breakfast, read, study, pray etc then get ready, and not much before I’m out the door, I put my pants on.  You have had some DGU’s where it sounded like the the person had to “get their gun” and luckily were able to do so.  Not a good idea.  So I have two ways I keep my gun on at these times even though I don’t actually have my pants on.  1) I wear a Galco under wraps belly band most days so I can put that on under my robe and still be armed.  2) sometimes I simply put my EDC in my robe pocket.  I recognize this isn’t very secure or safe so I have been looking for a pocket holster.  I think the DeSantis super fly would fit well.  Do any of you have any experience with this type of pocket holster?  Any other ideas?

 

Just finished listening to episode 401, btw congrats on the first 400.  I have one comment for Michael and the arsenal he likes to carry around.  One of you mentioned maybe he should carry a backpack with an AR with a foldable stock.  I have another idea, he could carry a murse or backpack with a KelTec sub 2000.  I just received one for my birthday and I love it.  The greatest part is it folds in half!  Making it only 16.25″ long when folded and very quick to unfold and use as a backup in those critical situations where you need one more backup. There is even a version that accepts glock mags which could be interchangeable with the glock he carries.

 

Thanks for all you do and thanks for mentioning that some of you are already signed up for GRPC this year, I’ll get my registration in today.

Looking forward to seeing all of you at GRPC this year,

Dr. Sean Brodale

From Iowa

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John

Good day PS,

 

Awesome, Awesome show. A wealth of information and entertaining at the same time.

 

Just a quick background, I live in the not so great state of Connecticut. Even though we are a “shall” issue state, each town has its own set of rules (no county governments in CT) before you can get your state Pistol Permit. Connecticut does not have a “conceal carry” permit/license because it is an open carry state, even though it’s somewhat discouraged. We also have the ridiculous law of limited capacity magazines (10rd) on top of the “assault weapons ban”. Now there is an attempt to raise the Permit fees on top of everything else. Enough of that – for now.

 

You, the team, have said to reach out to our representatives – on all levels. Being in a somewhat backward state; we have somewhat backwards representation at ALL levels of government. Seeing most of you have dealing with these types of issues (reciprocity, hearing protection, etc.) in the past; how does one draft a letter telling an uninformed, closed-minded individual that they should vote for the wishes of the constituents? I am not much for being overly polite or have the patients when telling someone that they are there to represent me and the others of their “district”. It’s not their personal soap box. I was wondering if you may have a template/example that can be tweaked to fit the individual, position and issue. (You can place it in the show notes and/or on the website.)

 

Regards

Chris

Torrington, CT

 

Rob- Call, one one issue.  

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Hi everyone!

This one is for Rob, but all information is welcome! Please chime in.

My beloved girlfriend has convinced me to move to California with her for nine months during her senior year of college. I currently live in a state with no restrictions on types of firearms we can own. I find myself realizing, I don’t think I own a single gun that California would allow me to bring there! Free American style AR’s, “high capacity” shotgun, pistols without thumb safeties or loaded chamber indicators, “high capacity” pistols.. etc. Perhaps my Henry AR7 survival rifle would be allowed? Yawn!
What kind of guns would be best suited for my home defense? I’d like to stay in 9mm but am considering something powerful like 10mm since capacity is ridiculously limited there.

I’m assuming I won’t be able to acquire a permit to carry, especially since I won’t live there long enough to be considered a resident. Nine months?

Thanks in advance for the advice!

Lots of love, Anonymous.

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Shayna Lopez Rivas wrote an article and I got to repost it on my blog- “It’s RINO Season and it’s Time to go Hunting: An Open Letter to the Florida Republican Party”

 

As I mentioned earlier in the show, Shyna was sexually assaulted on campus.. Twice.  The republican have not held hearing necessary to advance pro-gun legislation.. Including concealed carry on campus.

 

I also wrote about carrying on college campus- What College Professors Say and What They Really Do  You see, tolerance on campus stops when academics have to be tolerant.  Liberal professors don’t like guns, so other people shouldn’t be allowed to have them.  The problem isn’t that students with carry permits are drunk on campus.  The “gun-free zone” on campus is about school administrators who are drunk on power.

 

My posts are up at Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

We found out late on Friday that the Trump Administration won’t be fighting the District Court win regarding carrying of firearms on Corps of Engineers lakes and campgrounds in Idaho. They filed a petition with the 9th Cir. Ct. of Appeals saying they were looking to codify the ruling in the District Court. They have entered into an agreement to go into mediation while the Army reconsiders the policy in question. The USACE administers about 33% of the waters open to freshwater fishing in the US. This has the potential to be a big regulatory win for the right to self-defense.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Episode 403 – Still More Interviews

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/403.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- Interview Segment 1 Guest Alan Gottlieb

3- Interview Segment 2: Guest Justin Delosh

4- Interview Segment 3: Guest Lynne Disanto

5- Interview Segment 4: Guest Jeff Knox

6- Interview Segment 5: Guest Jeff Knox (part 2)

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday, February 26th, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson, and tonight we will have an interview with Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll also talk with Jeff Knox about the upcoming NRA elections

Paul: And finally we will talk with South Dakota Representative Lynne DiSanto about Constitutional Carry in South Dakota, So climb aboard!

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 403 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

John –  I took off last Friday morning to go to the range. I got to fire my dentist’s Ruger Redhawk .44 Magnum revolver. It was a pussycat with .44 Special and not hard to control in .44 Magnum. I also worked to break in my LCP II. It’s will be a nice little carry gun when it is fully broken in. The NC Wildlife Resources Commission really upgraded the Cold Mountain range and added a full time RSO. They want to add a 25 yard pistol bay. It brings home the point that we need more funding for public ranges. The Target and Marksmanship Training Support Act of 2017 would allow more ammo excise tax money to go this. This is a bipartisan bill, HR. 788, which needs our support. Similar bills in the past two Congresses almost got to the end line. This year it should. Links in the show notes.

 

Rachel – Wow, this has been a busy week! Constitutional carry is still my priority, and I’m doing all I can to promote HB 375. Texas GOLD, our Gun Owners Lobby Day, is coming up this week. I picked up T-shirts and they look great. I’m really proud that we have 10 gun rights organizations who are participating. We’ve been promised a hearing soon, so be ready to come to Austin on short notice if at all possible. I’ve been giving a LOT of presentations for groups all over town – learn to testify trainings, briefings on all the gun & knife bills, and more. I also recorded a set of videos that is a condensed version of the Learn to Testify training. Check that out on my YouTube channel – be sure to like and subscribe! Other than that, I got to teach a short rifle clinic for the A Girl & A Gun ladies yesterday morning. It was great to smell gunpowder and I miss it when I’m not on the range – so I’m planning a MAG-20 course in May. I was given a seat at the TSRA awards banquet head table so I got to visit with keynote speaker Katie Kieffer. She gave them ideas on how to appeal to millennials. That’s important for them since our ages combined probably equaled the average age in the room.

 

Gary

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

(June 9-11 2017. MAG-30. Georgetown, TX

(June 24, 25th 2017.  Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced.  9am -5pm both days. Richmond, IL)

(August 10-13, 2017. MAG-40. Sioux Falls, SD)

(August 26 & 27, 2017. Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)

 

Break

 

6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

Paul

We got a text from Mike from the Reloading Podcast

 

Just wanted to say on the steel case, yes you can reload it and the laquered stuff doesn’t seem to cause as much wear as bare steel

Mike from the Reloading Podcast

 

We also got a text from someone who didn’t leave their name

 

Congratulations on 400 episodes! I enjoy the podcast so much. You keep me up to date on issues in the gun world and entertain as well.

Rachel

Clayton emailed in

 

Hi all!

I am sorry to disappoint you, Gary. But I still don’t know what it’s like to drive through Chicago disarmed. Illinois state law honors my permit from my home state as long as I stay inside my vehicle! I never took off my gun! The only thing I did was down load my magazines from their standard 17 to 15 because I figured Illinois has one of those ridiculous magazine capacity limits as if crime were actually decreased that way..

I learned of the statute that allows non residents to carry inside their vehicle when I had a heated email argument with the state police. I am certified with the USCCA and my material is approved for me to train your residents to get their permit to carry. Yet mine is invalid merely for living outside your borders. I couldn’t possibly be trusted with a gun in your state, right?!


Fingers crossed for fifty state reciprocity, I’m giddy when I imagine carrying my guns in tax slave states that previously didn’t allow it. (Looking at you, Commiefornia!)

Thanks for calling me out, I enjoy chatting with you all. Have a lovely week and congratulations on your recent episode 400.

Sincerely, Clayton.


John

Michael wanted to talk a little more about backup guns

 

Followup to the on-air discussion…

 

You probably won’t be able to use this, but this video talks about why to carry spare ammo on your gun side (Reid Henrichs of Valor Ridge).

 

https://youtu.be/Ut68yJ0IGCg

 

Also, my ankle gun becomes my primary when driving (I commute 2+ hours total per day), so having a spare mag in my cargo pocket leaves it accessible when seated, which can’t be said for the front pocket.

 

A backup isn’t always just a backup… I like to think of it more as another option, depending on the situation.

 

Michael

Paul

Matt wrote in to talk about battery life for optics

 

The manufacture stated battery life on most slide mounted red dots approaches 2-3 years. But obviously it is suggested you change them every year on a defensive weapon. The trijicon I used at mag 40 was a dual illumination model that is powered by ambient light and tritium. With the half life of tritium being 10 years. That means that after 10 years the brightness with no ambient light will be cut in half. That will have no affect on the ambient light. Meaning the theoretical plinking useful life is  unlimited. On paper this sounds fantastic but has some fairly major downsides that would lead me to suggest a battery powered optic due to the level of tint on the lens required to make the dual illumination work. You can see a demonstration of it here. https://youtu.be/MefuHqWVteY

I hope that cleared up any questions you have.

 

Matt

 

Rachel

Todd wanted to talk a bit more about National Reciprocity

 

Hey all, thanks for reading my email last week about revolvers and national reciprocity. To muddy the waters further with regard to CA, the safe handgun roster not only affects sales but also the transfer of handguns into the state. State law requires any individual moving into the state to declare their handguns to DOJ, and of course, submit the required fee. Handguns not currently on the roster are not allowed in the state. Take that back to the national reciprocity law. It’s unclear if “complying with state law” would encompass adherence to the roster as well.

 

Incidentally, I am a libertarian and more of a “states rights” guy – I think states that want to suck should be allowed to suck, and we would end up with more freedom in more places due to U-Haul than the court system. Unless we move to a national standard for concealed carry (a disaster in my opinion) the only alternative is to allow each state to demand compliance to their state laws while carrying within their borders.

 

I’m no lawyer, but instead of a “race to the bottom” as the gun control states maintain will occur with national reciprocity, I wonder if we’ll see a “race to lunacy” in the states like CA, MA, and NJ.

 

Stay safe!

 

Todd

San DIego

 

PS I grew up in Nort’ Dakota, so if you ever need to read recipes, I’m ok with lefse, walleye, tater tot hotdish, and Juneberry pie.

John

Chris wants to inflate our egos a bit

 

Paul,

 

I must say, it humbled me to listen to your 400th episode.  What you and your team have built over the last 5 years is genuinely awe inspiring.

 

Thank you ALL, both on and off the air (here’s looking at you Charlie Foxtrot) for everything you have done and endured to bring us your knowledge, insight, and wisdom each week.  As other listeners have mentioned, I too put the Polite Society Podcast at the top of my list each week.  I wait in anticipation of each release and I pause whatever else I may be listening to when your next episodes is published.  I enjoy, admire, and even envy the reasoned, intellectual, and principled discourse you share each week.  Your dedication and commitment to fighting for one of our many inalienable rights inspires me each week.

 

Humbly yours,

 

Chris in North Carolina

Paul – beg and throw to John

John – The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals released an utterly ridiculous opinion in the Maryland case of Kolbe v. Hogan. They upheld Maryland’s assault weapons and standard capacity magazine bans. The majority opinion said that AR15s were like M16s and thus not protected by the Second Amendment because they (almost) could be used by the military. The court made a mockery of the Heller decision when they used it as their rationale to allow Maryland’s ban. Sen. Ted Cruz at CPAC raked them over the coals for this ridiculous decision. The main thing this decision shows is how the packing of circuit courts by Obama is making a mockery of constitutional rights.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Paul Talk about cons sol

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

 

John: Until the next time…

Rachel: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see y’all down the road, bless y’all’s hearts.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.