Episode 379 – Peruta Decision Fallout

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Alan Gottlieb

4- Interview Segment 2: Gene Hoffman

5- Shayna Lopez Rivas

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

 

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, June 10th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Alan Gottlieb from the Second Amendment Foundation about recent court decisions saying there are no rights for civilians to be armed in public.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Gene Hoffman of the CalGuns Foundation about judges and California politics.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have Shayna Rivas with us again.  She talks about Campus Carry and Crazy colleges.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about someone that brought Nunchucks to a Gunfight .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 379 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Went to upstate New York last weekend and didn’t carry.  Carried at home, and at work, and dry practiced.  I have some training opportunities coming up the next two weeks.  I’m not sure if I’ll be with you next week, but I’m sure to miss the week after when I go to Ohio to train with Dr. John Edeen and Paul Carlson at Safety Solutions Academy.

 

John – I finally did something that I’ve been talking about doing for a long time – I bought a suppressor. It is the SilencerCo Omega 7.62 which allows me to use it on everything from my AR-15 through and including my FAL. A suppressor not only cuts down on the noise but it helps tame recoil. I’m sure the ATF is going to be overloaded with Form 4s from trusts as trusts will be required to submit fingerprints and pictures after July 13th. Given that, I probably won’t take possession until Christmas! Now if only the Hearing Protection Act is passed so I can get a $200 tax refund!

Rob- would your sheriff sign?

 

Rachel- shot and taught – music and guns

 

Gary – https://www.facebook.com/SourceFedNews/videos/1199514293432055/?pnref=story

Very interesting video: The history of Trump and politics https://youtu.be/ZJyIztXX3Bs

 

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

Paul- Liberal apologists said that no one wants to take our firearms.  Well this Democrat official said she does.  Democrat National Platform Committee member Bonnie Schaefer says she does not believe anyone should have a gun.  In a video released this week, Committee member Schaefer said gun control efforts have to go beyond keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people and criminals.  Quote “I really don’t personally think anyone should have a gun.”  Close quote.

Schaefer was appointed to the Democrat Nominating Committee after she donated large sums of money to Democrat candidates.  Money talks, and gun owners can hear it loud and clear. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/08/dnc-platform-member-nobody-gun/

 

John – How do you know a politician isn’t lying? Their lips aren’t moving!

 

John – There are a great number of new gun laws being passed in the California this legislative session.  The political actors read like a post office wanted poster.  Last year it was anti gun California state senator Leland Yee who was convicted on charges of bribery and gun running.  This year, President of the California Senate, Kevin De Leon is the author of at least four anti-rights bills that unfairly burden honest gun owners.  Senator De Leon is also named 47 times in a current FBI probe for official corruption and bribery.  http://patch.com/california/highlandpark-ca/senator-kevin-de-len-named-in-fbi-affidavit-alleging-corruption

 

Comment- Elected officials are exempt from these new gun laws. http://joeforamerica.com/2016/06/california-gun-laws-apply-not-california-royalty/

 

Comment- California seems more like New York all the time.

 

Rob- California legislatures routinely take the money from the firearms transfer fees and concealed carry fees, and then say they don’t have enough people to perform background checks in a reasonable time.  The are dishonest at best.

 

Rob- We continue to seen record gun sales month after month and the trend continued.  This May eclipsed the sales record set for May a year ago.  With almost 2 million background checks each month, this is the 13th month for record firearms sales.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/record-gun-sales-continue-may/

 

John – A thought I don’t want to think about but imagine what the rush would be like if Hillary was elected. It would make the post-Newtown surge look like small potatoes. Not just ARs and magazines but you’d have people fighting over Hi-Points.

 

Rob- If she is elected, the NICS background check server will go down.

Paul – I don’t think that it will take that long. I think it will happen the day after the november election

Gary –

 

Gary – This is a political year, and we hear wild charges leveled against firearms owners.  We’re told that the violence in Socialist controlled cities is the fault of honest gun owners and lax gun laws.  The failed city of Chicago suffered 69 shooting victims while New Orleans had 37 victims spread over 23 armed robberies over the Memorial day weekend.  It is odd that we don’t have these problems in nearby cities who elected conservative politicians.  We have to note that it isn’t NRA members shooting up Chicago and New Orleans. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/01/democrat-run-new-orleans-23-armed-robberies-2-murders-memorial-weekend/

 

John – The problem is always someone else’s fault if you’re the mayor of a failed city.

Rob- That was for memorial day weekend

 

Rachel- We have some good news from the State Supreme Court of New Hampshire.  The court unanimously invalidated a regulation preventing non-residents from qualifying for a New Hampshire carry license.  The regulation required that non residents already possess a carry permit in their home state. The regulation unfairly discriminated against residents of anti-rights states which make it impossible to obtain a permit.

 

The court said “ By requiring nonresidents to submit proof of their resident state licenses, the administrative rules effectively import into New Hampshire law requirements different from those set forth (by the state legislature.)”

https://anjrpc.site-ym.com/page/WINinNHNonResCarry

 

Rob- Lots of people travel to New Hampshire and want to carry in that state, yet can’t receive a concealed carry permit from their local judge or sheriff.

 

John – I know a Canadian or two who has applied for a non-res. NH permit. They might even be gun podcasters.

 

Paul- We know lots of anti-gun politicians who have bodyguards.  In a similar vein of hypocrisy, the director a recent anti-gun film broke several federal firearms laws in an effort to show how easy it is to get around firearms law.  While criticizing honest gun owners, the producer of the film “under the gun” sent subordinates to make illegal straw purchases and make illegal purchases across state lines. The producer said the guns , and now also the evidence, were destroyed by Arizona law enforcement.  That isn’t likely since Arizona law enforcement is required to put their surrendered or seized firearms up for auction.  Those guns might now become significant collectors items.. When the feds are done using them as evidence for the prosecution. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436400/katie-couric-gun-documentary-likely-violated-federal-law

 

Rob- I love the smell of irony in the morning, but I doubt the Obama Administration is going to prosecute any anti-rights journalist.  Obama’s department of justice ignored similar violations.

Gary –

John –

Paul – I think that that documentary is just about as much a documentary about guns as “This is Spinal Tap” is about rock music.

 

Gun Quote

Rachel- “Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.”  by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman and Shayna Rivas.

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3- Interview- Alan Gotlieb:

  1. Peruta
    1. 2AA doesn’t apply to civilians
    2. No right to bear arms in public
  2. JPFO
  3. GRPC- record reservations.
  4. Illinois Lawsuit about non-resident permits

 

4- Gene Hoffman-

9th ignored the constitution and our arguments.  They ignored the historical record and used overturned rulings in their arguments.

Rational basis labeled as strict scrutiny.

Open carry, but there is no open carry.  The court dodged the fundamental issue.

 

“..that the protection of the Second Amendment does not extend to the carrying of concealed firearms in public by members of the general public..”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/436408/peruta-loss-ninth-circuit-second-amendment-advocates

 

4A- Shayna Lopez Rivas–  Welcome back, Shayna.  You are a student at Florida State University- Tallahassee.  Last week you told me about a man who used to work for the college of social work.  This university employee threatened to use shoot his his co-workers.  This employee literally created a “hit list”.  Now this troubled man has been re-hired by FSU in a different college.  At the time the threats were made, the university police said they did not have any actionable charges.

 

FSU refuses to protect us and claims sovereign immunity after we’re victimized on campus…but then goes ahead and re-hires a disturbed man who threatened to kill university faculty and staff members?

 

“You don’t need a gun b/c we’ll protect you.  BUT, we will create a dangerous situation and if it goes bad, we’ll claim NO responsibility for it.”  This, my friends, is why we NEED campus carry.

 

I want this on record. If something happens to me while I’m at work, someone make this University bleed. Don’t settle, money is no matter, it’s the principle behind it all. The school wants to play games with my life, with our lives.  Let’s make sure they go to trial and make sure to expose this administration for what it is.

 

Rob- What does your local sheriff say?

 

5- DGUs

Rachel – Don’t Bring Nunchucks to a Gunfight

“I told him he’s an idiot. I pointed my gun at him. He kept making progress toward me, swinging his nunchucks and that’s when I shot him.” Those are the words of man who defended his wife from an attack by a violent ex-husband.

A couple were relaxing on their Indiana back patio after celebrating their tenth anniversary when a car pulled up. Her ex had blatantly violated a restraining order and a No-Trespassing sign. He got out swinging the deadly nunchucks. “My thoughts were, ‘He’s going to try and beat me up or kill me with these nunchucks, then go take it out on my wife’,” said the husband. However, the man stood firm in defense of his family. “I reached for my gun. He gets out of his car in a rage. You could see it in his eyes.”

 

As the ex ran toward him swinging the nunchucks, the husband opened fire.  The ex was hit six times and is now hospitalized in critical condition.  

The wife described the shooting as “bittersweet.” “I give all my love and appreciation to my husband. He did a phenomenal job and he’d do it again for his family. That’s the kind of man he is.Unfortunately it came to this. No, I do not wish death upon nobody. I don’t want him to pass away. But, he is in the situation he’s in because he put himself there.”

Police say because he was acting in self-defense the husband is not facing criminal charges at this time.

 

Paul –  Another win for POGO. If the man had not been carrying while at home after a celebration, the crazy ex could easily have inflicted severe injuries or worse on the couple.

John –

Gary –

Paul – buying limes in Britain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063954/Asda-tell-chef-You-buy-lime–classed-weapon.html

 

Rob- A pharmacy owner in Levittown, Pennsylvania was prepared.  He had a security camera system installed.  More important was that the store owner was alert and aware at 10 in the morning.  The pharmacist was processing paperwork on a quiet Friday when he saw a man wearing a halloween mask get out from the passenger side door of a minivan.  The driver remained in the car with the engine running.  The masked man also carried a shotgun.

 

The thief entered the store and turned toward the pharmacy counter.  The store owner shouted for the thief to stop.  The thief advanced and jumped over the pharmacy counter with his shotgun.  The pharmacist fired several shots and struck the armed robber.  The robber collapsed on the floor.  Police arrested the waiting accomplice.  There were no other customers or staff in the store at that time.

 

The robber had a bundle of zip ties in his pocket.  The robber was prepared.. And so was the store owner.  The store owner had worked previously for a major pharmacy chain in a bad neighborhood.  There he had to be unarmed due to company policy.  He was determined to be armed when he opened his own business.

 

Paul- That video system paid for itself. We had a story a few weeks ago about a dash cam that may have saved the day

Rob- This pharmacy owners had more time than most victims.  Even then, there was no time to get a gun from a safe.  He had seconds to respond with the tools on his body.  He wore a gun and saved his life.

 

Gary- California Marijuana Dispensary Robbers Shot

In a story that could only happen in California – well, also in Colorado, Oregon, etc., etc. – two men attempted to rob a Medical Marijuana Dispensary – and got a chronic dose of lead for their troubles.

 

Two masked men, wearing body armor and carrying what the proudly ignorant LA media described as “assault rifles” <kaff> tried their luck at a legal marijuana dispensary. According to the store owner, “They were there to kill us.” He’d seen them breaking down the store’s door on surveillance cameras. Forewarned, the owner was able to use a handgun to stop the attack, putting both men into the hospital in critical condition. The pair is not known to have fired any shots, and no one else was injured in the attack.

Video shows the owner walking around outside his business, directing the cleanup and the patching of the many windows with gunshot holes. A street littered with an armored vest, bloody clothing and used medical supplies was also shown. The owner, who could be described as a “hard dude”, was not arrested, and has not been charged with a crime, although the investigation is on-going.


Rachel- The video system again made a difference. Awareness is half the battle.

John – These businesses do so much cash business that they are the new targets just like the old targets of pawn shops and liquor stores.

Gary-

Rob- The video kept him out of jail because the police saw that it was clearly self-defense.

John- Death in a Sleepy Little Burg

Two young men unfortunately made the mistake of their lives when they allegedly invaded a home and then threatened the resident. Incidents of this type are a rarity in the sleepy little Springport Township in Jackson County, Michigan. Police say the two 18-year-olds were involved in a Breaking and Entering when some sort of altercation occurred with the resident outside the home. Both men were shot and killed and found lying close by in the yard. The investigation is continuing, awaiting the autopsy reports and results from the Michigan State Police Crime Lab.

 

The two were no strangers to the police. They had accumulated a host of charges in their few years, ranging from marijuana possession to weapons offenses. As could be expected, one of the teens was on probation after receiving a suspended sentence for larceny, the other was out after an arrest last month for the same offense. The two criminals may also be responsible for a rash of property crimes in the neighborhood. At this time, charges are not likely against the homeowner.  

Deadly crime can occur anywhere — even in “safe” locations.
Stay armed, stay vigilant, stay capable.  

Rob- Amen

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I noticed that several anti-rights California politicians were under investigation just as they were passing anti-gun bills.  I wrote an article called “Are All Anti Gun Politicians Corrupt  The answer is that too many of them are corrupt, and they’ve been caught.  I posted several articles this week at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland, and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

Paul

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

Since we’ve already discussed California, I will only point out that gun rights activists are punching back twice as hard against Gavin Newsom’s ammo background check initiative. I did a post like I do every year on D-Day. A child born on D-Day 1944 would now be 72 years old and hopefully retired. If it was a boy, he might have served in Vietnam as a young lieutenant. If it was a girl, she’d might have been my 3rd grade teacher. My father was a veteran of WW2 as were the fathers of many of my classmates. My point is that even though a lifetime has passed since D-Day we should never forget the awesome sacrifice of those 18, 19, and 20 year olds on that cold day in June 1944.

 

John-  That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman, and Shayna Lopez-Rivas for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 378 – Things get Weerd

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1- Open and Personal News Segment: 

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Weerd Beard

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, June 3rd , 2016.  I’m Paul Lathrop.

John: I’m John Richardson and we will be talking about Bloomberg and Hillary.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone about Bloomberg trying to buy a Referendum in Nevada.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a concealed carry holder helped stop a mass shooting in Houston. So climb aboard.

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 378 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

John – I did two important things today. I voted in a primary/election and Barb and I signed the paperwork that created our NFA trust this afternoon. It was a “canned” trust which I hope is OK. I wish our old friend John Pierce was licensed to practice law in NC so I could have gone to him. His cost is reasonable and he knows his stuff. It is a shame that we have to go to this trouble to buy a product that enhances our hearing safety, is not abused criminally, and is the same as a muffler for a car or lawn mower. I just hope Congress actually acts on the Hearing Protection Act of 2016 and removes suppressors from the NFA.

 

Rachel- Lots of music work, finishing up the semester by accompanying end-of-the-year studio recitals.

  • Politics: listened to the livestream of my county Republican Party executive committee.  Lessons:
    • Livestreaming is a game-changer. Use it.
    • Robert Morrow was duly elected, without election fraud, like it or not. (Most don’t.)
    • His election could be a positive thing – authority getting redistributed, more people more involved, the county in general paying more attention
  • Guns: taught a friend to shoot. She is the victim of a home invasion a few months ago and has determined to never again be defenseless. Ordered an Accuracy 1st level for my distance rifle. Because an indiscernible 3-degree cant at 1,000 yards throws a .308 175gr SMK off 24.7”.

 

Gary-

 

Paul-

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 

Everytown Endorses Hillary

 

I know our listeners will be shocked (shocked, I say!) to find out that Bloomberg’s minions at Everytown and Moms Demand Action just endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. According to the endorsement, they plan to support her in both the remaining primaries and the general election. The timing of this comes as Bernie Sanders may have taken a lead in the California primary which will be next week. Everytown spokesperson Erika Soto Lamb insisted that their endorsement was the organization and not Mr. Bloomberg’s.

 

Chris W. Cox, chairman of the NRA’s Political Victory Fund, said “gun control groups are endorsing Hillary Clinton because they believe that she will work to eliminate individual gun ownership in this country.”

“The Second Amendment is on the ballot this November. Hillary Clinton does not believe that law-abiding Americans have the right to use a firearm to protect themselves in their homes,” he said.

John – Hillary Clinton makes no bones about the fact that she is our enemy. I don’t love Donald Trump nor particularly like him. However, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I will take Donald Trump at his word that he will protect the Second Amendment.

Rachel- I see what you’re saying, John. And I certainly don’t want Hillary to be president. But I just will not vote for Trump. I don’t trust him, and I don’t want to give any support to the idea that it’s ok for the Republican party to nominate him.

Weer’d: All the antis are hitching their wagon to the Clinton Campaign simply because it’s ALL they have after Martin O’Malley dropped out of the race.

Paul

John I live in a purple state. I just don’t see that I have a choice.

Paul – Gary Johnson

Speaking of Bloomberg

Since we are speaking of Bloomberg, it has come out today that his gun control campaign in Nevada has just purchased every bit of available TV advertising in the Las Vegas market for both the months of September and October. This cuts out everyone who might want to publicize an opposing message.

Bloomberg and his minions, Nevadans for Background Checks, are pushing a referendum that would mandate universal background checks for any transfer of a firearm. It is important to point out that “transfer” in Bloomberg terms is not selling someone a firearm and transferring ownership. Rather, it is the physical transfer of a firearm. That means if you and a friend are at the range and he or she wants to try out your new pistol, legally they would have to go through a background check before you could hand it to them. And then for them to hand it back to you – your own firearm – you would have to go through a background check. The goal of this referendum is not to prevent criminals from getting firearms. The goal is to kill the gun culture so that in time the Second Amendment becomes meaningless.

Gary –

John – I think NSSF should make it known to every casino and hotel owner that the SHOT Show will never, ever be in Las Vegas again if this referendum passes. If any of our listeners will be visiting Vegas between now and November you need to tell every maid, every Blackjack dealer, every Uber or cab driver that you and your money won’t be coming back if it passes.

 

Paul – SHOT Show is the 4th or 5th largest trade show that Vegas has.

 

Rachel- I want us to steal a page from Bloomberg’s book. I want us to think BIG. I want us to go for that crazy long shot that everyone thinks is impossible. I want us to go as far or FARTHER in our direction than they go in their direction. Instead of just trying to put up a defense, take the offense, dream big, and make it happen.

 

Weer’d: These are also the people who always talk about how great the gun laws are in Australia and the UK….both places that got registration that was ONLY used for confiscation.

 

Murder-Suicide at UCLA

 

This Wednesday the UCLA campus went into full lockdown for many hours due to an “active shooter” on campus. The active shooter turns out to be a disgruntled former graduate student from India who killed his mechanical engineering dissertation advisor Prof. William Klug. The killer had accused the professor of stealing some computer code. After shooting the professor, the murderer then took his own life in a murder-suicide. A note left at the scene asked police to check on his cat in Minnesota. This note led police to search his home in Minnesota where they found a “kill list” and the murderer’s dead wife who had been shot two days earlier. Prof. Klug was on the kill list as was another UCLA professor who escaped harm.

 

It goes without saying that UCLA is a gun-free zone. Earlier this year, the California legislature passed a bill that prevented carry permit holders – that rarest of rare things in California – from carrying on campus. California also has very tough gun control laws including a 10-day waiting period. None of that prevented the killer from going on campus and killing his dissertation advisor. Of course that did not stop anti-gun legislators and celebrities from saying more needed to be done.

 

Gun Quotes

“If you teach your kids how to shoot, when to shoot, what to shoot, and where to shoot, freedom will easily be maintained.” – Erin Canales

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Weer’d Beard

 

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3- Interview 1-

Boberg

http://sqrpt.com/2016/06/03/sqrpt-2016-moar-hog/

http://www.weerdworld.com/

 

5- DGUs

Rachel – Concealed Carrier Battles Potential Mass-Murder In Houston
Insanity came suddenly to a suburban Houston area strip mall one Sunday morning. Without warning, a man started spraying rounds from an AR-15. Shots and screams pierced the morning; glass shattered and fell. A car crashed into a boat trailer, others raced away with blown-out windows and shot-up sheetmetal. A gas pump exploded into searing flames. Victims lay screaming where they fell. In that chaos, several citizens found the strength to challenge the madness; strangers helped the wounded to safety, a Boy Scout was prepared and saved a life while literally under the gun, and a licensed concealed carrier drew his weapon, and advanced on the madman.  

Bryon Wilson, 30, abandoned the safety of his neighborhood clothing store to fight back, running toward the madman while firing his carry weapon. Only, the murderer had a rifle, and Wilson had only a concealable pistol. The man connected with his return fire, and Wilson staggered away, heavily wounded. The murderer then returned to his evil task, finally dying under a hail of police bullets. However, Wilson did successfully distract the madman, taking him out of his carefully rehearsed fantasies, confusing and disorientating him, making him think, slowing him down; all of which granted precious seconds to those in danger. Many likely owe him their lives. As a result of the actions of Wilson, and all the other heroes, only one victim died, instead of the massive body count the madman obviously hoped for.

Wilson’s heroics came at a terrible personal cost; he was struck three times, falling with two broken legs and a shattered shoulder. Although surviving his ordeal, the family man faces years of hospitalization and rehabilitation. He may not be able to walk for two years. A friend wondered about “all the bills piling up, no way to work, no money coming in, medical bills…” The friend is setting up a GoFundMe account to help with this hero’s rehabilitation. We urge our listeners to say thank you to this Brother of the Gun, concealed carrier and sheepdog. And just maybe help him in his hour of need, as he helped all those strangers that Houston morning.

 

Gary – Talk about getting inside his OODA loop, making him think, reevaluate, hesitate? And how desirable it would have been to have another CCW carrier respond – or for one of the business owners to have a pistol, a shotgun, or…. another rifle.  

John – Something to worry about – Wilson was first identified as an accomplice – only later cleared as a Good Samaritan.  In these chaotic situations, Blue on Blue is a very real concern.

John – Would-Be Carjacker Shot in Downtown St. Louis
This one hits a little too close to home for our colleague CF: just outside the St Louis Cardinal’s stadium, two young men were shot in a carjacking. The truck owner received a grazing wound to the leg, the carjacker is in unstable and critical condition.  

This latest instance of downtown violence occurred when the 20-year-old carjacker walked up the street to a man waiting in his truck for his girlfriend to finish work at a popular eatery. The criminal pulled a gun and ordered the driver out of the truck.  The man complied, but drew his own gun as the thief entered the vehicle. Shots were exchanged, and the truck lurched down the street until it slammed into a tree.

The truck owner’s night continued to get worse as the carjacker’s accomplices roared up and shot at the victim. The well-armed victim was able to return fire and hit their vehicle. The same two drove their buddy to the hospital. One was arrested there, the other criminal, described a young woman, eluded the police in a foot pursuit. St Louis Police are continuing to investigate the crime.  

A few things stand out in this situation: The criminals were working as a team, with the confederates in an overwatch position, ready to take out a resisting victim. The crime was especially bold, coming just days after city officials had promised yet again to increase security downtown after a young mother was carjacked, killed, and her young child thrown from the car. That crime occurred about a block away from this carjacking. Finally comes the demonstrated need for a capable weapon; a limited capacity revolver or pistol would have made resistance to the second group less effective, perhaps at the cost of the victim’s life.  

Stay armed, stay aware, stay capable — it is an increasingly violent world.

Rachel- As dangerous as I know it is to sit in a parked car, I am still guilty of doing just that. This story is a reminder to do that as little as possible. And, when I need to sit and wait for someone, I resolve to be vigilant in watching my surroundings.

Paul
John –
Gary – Taking a Long Knife to A Gunfight

Two men took a machete to a home invasion. Unfortunately, (for them), they were also bringing a knife to a gunfight.

 

A Fayetteville, North Carolina homeowner confronted the pair of invaders and their machete. Fortunately, he was also armed, and armed with a better weapon. He shot the machete-wielder in the abdomen – and both criminals ran to escape in a tan vehicle.  

The uninjured homeowner called the police and provided descriptions of the suspects and their vehicle. Armed with that significant clue, the cops found the car in a Clinton hospital parking lot, and arrested both men.  The homeowner’s name and address were withheld for his safety.

 

Paul – Man Shot And Killed Within Neighbor’s House

A Indianapolis, Indiana couple will not face charges for killing their neighbor. The couple were startled awake to find their neighbor James Neal inside their home. There was a struggle for a shotgun, and the man and woman both fired several times at Neal. The home invader died at the scene.  

The deceased invader was said to suffer from seizures and could been disorientated when he entered the couple’s home. However, his actions make the foregoing speculations moot. Per the investigators, the couple shot James to defend their lives, each other, and the child in their home.

 

Rachel – Assault Threats of Death and Rape and Murder

Four violent, armed thugs invaded a woman’s home, demanded money and threatened to kidnap, rape and kill. They punctuated their threats with the gunfire that may have proved their undoing.

When the 39-year-old woman homeowner answered her door in the Georgian afternoon, the thugs burst in, put a gun to her head, and ordered her not to look up. When her teenage daughter entered the room, the mother looked at her, and a thug put a bullet near her head. “You think I’m [expletive] kidding?!” he yelled.

 

“They started making sexual remarks about raping her, it was terrible,” her mother told the news. “He hit her in the head with the gun and put it in her mouth and told her to stop crying or he was going to blow her head off.” At one point, the men threatened to take the teen with them and rape her.

 

As they left, one thug shot at the daughter, missing her face by mere inches. In their  rush to get away, the thugs encountered a neighbor who had heard all the gunshots and armed himself. One of the criminals shot at the neighbor and he shot back. He expended all 15 rounds in his magazine, hitting one gunman. The gang made good their escape, but they had to dump the wounded thief at a local hospital, where he was arrested. The others were arrested at the address associated with car license number provided by witnesses. The heroic neighbor was hit twice. Fortunately his wounds were not life-threatening.

Without the firearm, the gang could have been free to continue to rob, and perhaps indulge in rape and murder. But the brave neighbor  – and his firearm – helped end their spree.  

 

Paul – GET TRAINING

Rachel-

 

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Only one email this week.

 

All,

 

There is a statue in Austin, TX that I believe captures the heart of the reason for our 2nd amendment.  Rachel could give more detail, but the statue depicts Angelina Eberly warning the town that her government, led by Sam Houston, was attempting to overstep its bounds.  I saw this statue for the first time last October and fell in love with it.  For something that does not move, there is a lot of action depicted.

 

And as another salute to Texas history, there is the story of the Gonzales cannon (I got the shirt.).  That story is similar to the story of the Battle of Thermopylae.

 

I really enjoyed expanding my knowledge of the history of Texas during my visit.

 

And for Rachel, “Keep Austin weird!”.

 

Carl

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog No Lawyers -only guns and money

 

John- While I posted a few things, there is nothing that I’d consider “major” or that important to talk about. I’d just urge listeners to go to onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com on a regular basis to see what I’ve posted.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Weerd Beard for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rob, Susan, and Rachel,

 

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rachel: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 377 MAG 40 AAR and Interviews

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Craig DeLuz

4- Interview Segment 2: Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin 1

5 – Interview Segment 3 Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin 2

6 – Interview Segment 3 Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin

7- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, May 27, 2016.  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the NRA annual meeting.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Massad Ayoob

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a baptist minister saved a 9 year old girl from a kidnapper.. so climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 376 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob-  I carried most of the week, including the NRA convention.  Met a lot of old and new friends.. I also received a copy of Greg Hopkins’ book, “A Time to Kill”.  We had Greg on our show last episode as he talked about the christian commandments for self-defense. I was on Armed American Radio with Mark Walter.  I was also on Lock and Load Radio when John Edeen and I joined Bill Frady.

 

I made a mistake on my podcast and called one of the defenders an “old man”.  I didn’t think anything of it.  I think of myself as an old man, but one of my listeners e-mailed me and said I should have called him an “elderly man”.

 

I’ve been traveling a lot and I feel old.  Paul, I don’t know how you live away from home.

 

John – Like Rob, I attended the NRA  Annual Meeting. It was like old home day in the press room seeing all the bloggers and podcasters I’ve met over the year. I also got to meet Charlie Foxtrot and his wife Kris.  We spent a few days extra in Kentucky and Barb figured up we visited a total of 9 distilleries.  I think we learned a little something at each of them. Because it is not wise to consume alcohol and carry, I didn’t always carry while in KY.

 

I want to give a shout-out to listener Nathan Carrier who recognized me on the KY Expo Ctr floor. We read an email that Nathan sent seeking ideas on how to get his wife involved in shooting and he wanted to thank us for our help. He and I will probably get together to go shooting in NC.

 

Gary-

 

Paul- MAG 40 was a HUGE success! We are 90+ % sure that there will be another next year.  I would like to thank Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin for their generous time and attention that they gave everyone.

 

NRA annual meeting is in Atlanta, April 27-30, 2017

 

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NRA Convention-

There were 80 thousand NRA members inside the Kentucky Exposition Center.  Speakers included Ted Nugent, Rand Paul, and Donald Trump.

 

A conservative estimate puts 10 to 30 thousand armed individuals in one room .. at one time.  As the NRA advertisements say, that is “freedom’s safest place”.  

 

The Socialist news media said the NRA disarmed its members.  The news media did not tell you that the one room where presidential candidates spoke is controlled by the US secret service rather than the NRA.  It was the secret service who banned guns for that one event.  The Secret Service had people check in their umbrellas, knives, and e-cigarettes.

 

Comment- The civil rights organization Knife Rights provided lockers to store your pocket knives.  Thank you, Doug Ritter.

Gary- Rob and John, what did you think of the NRA meet-up?

 

Rob- The NRA annual members meeting is an 11 acre brain bank. I am so impressed by the people in the self-defense community. I met many of the people we’ve had on the polite society podcast.  There were about 40 paid demonstrators from Bloomberg’s front groups.  They were surrounded by Louisville police.

 

Paul- was that to protect us.. Or to protect them?

 

Rob- The demanding mommies were outnumbered 2000 to one.  I think it was to protect them.

 

John- Let me say a few things about the annual meeting. Miggy.  Unlike the SHOT Show which is held in a series of rooms, the NRA is in one big room. To quote Donald Trump, it was HUGE!  Once your feet got tired, and they will, then you could hear world experts talk about international terrorism, domestic politics, historical firearms, or self defense.  You simply could not see and hear everything in three days. You couldn’t even meet and visit with all your friends in three days.  Then there was the Bourbon Trail and the Urban Bourbon Trail and the Craft Bourbon Trail.

 

Rob- Let me comment on what I didn’t see.  A number of nationally known journalists and second amendment supporters were not there.  That is bizarre.  Both The Blaze, The Washington Times, and Ammoland have dedicated reporters who covered firearms issues .. and they were not there.

 

John- However, I did see Charles C. W. Cooke and Jim Geraghty of the National Review, Liz Shield from PJ Media, and even Major Garrett, Chief WH Correspondent for CBS News, in the media room.

 

NRA endorsed Donald Trump

The NRA annual convention isn’t really a political rally.  It is largely about guns and gear.  There is so much more to learn once your feet get tired.  

For instance, President Barack Obama said honest gun owners are violent freaks who put Americans in danger.  Doctor John Lott documented how President Obama lied about gun owners.

 

Rand Paul guns in every school-

 

Senator Rand Paul also spoke at the NRA convention.  He said, “Look, I’ve got children. I can’t imagine one of my kids being killed at school by a deranged killer. But, as a physician, I was trained to solve problems, to get beyond emotions and find answers,” Paul said. “I think one way to try to avoid these senseless killings would be to announce, once and for all time, that no school, no movie-theater, no supermarket in America will be left defenseless.”

 

Senator Rand Paul also corrected President Obama.  Senator Paul said we are clinging to our guns, our religion, AND our ammunition.

 

Senator Paul also said that gun rights are under assault from progressive politicians. Quote, “It’s as if the other side doesn’t even think there is a Second Amendment.”

 

The Second Amendment is vital to the Bill of Rights. “Our defense of the Second Amendment should always remind liberals that the right to bear arms is right next to the right to free speech, to the right to practice your religion and the right to freely associate with your friends and neighbors. We should never let them relegate the second amendment to any second tier or rights,” Paul said.

 

Senator Paul asked the NRA to also defend the First Amendment as well as the second. . “If we diminish one iota the right to free speech, we risk not having the voice to defend the right to bear arms,” Paul said.

 

In an after speech interview, Senator Paul said, “.. African-Americans need self-defense just as much as other people.  I would find it worse if we said to cities that are predominantly African-American: ‘You can’t buy guns.'”

 

During his speech, Candidate Donald Trump said Secretary Hillary Clinton acts as if she is above the law and immune from prosecution.  At the same time, Secretary Clinton thinks our children don’t deserve armed protectors.  If you were at the NRA convention, then you would have heard Colonel David Grossman explain why our children, our schools and our hospitals are in desperate need of armed protection.

 

Hillary said over and over that she wants to eliminate our right to keep and bear arms, but you could also hear the mainstream media lie for Clinton and say she didn’t say what we heard her say.

 

Donald Trump is Mister Let’s Make A Deal.  Trump spoke clearly and simply.  He said the second Amendment is NOT negotiable.

 

Donald Trump spoke at the NRA convention on Friday.  The NRA endorsed him that same day.  With an extremely diverse membership, the NRA wants to unite the United States in their support of Donald Trump.

 

John – There has been a lot of criticism of the NRA’s endorsement of Trump. I posted an article from Politico on my Facebook page and had literally 75 or more comments on it. My take is that the NRA is pragmatic and thought it better to be an early endorser who gets noticed than a late endorser that gets ignored.

Rob- A candidate who hates our right to bear arms vs a candidate for whom we have only mild support?  I’m an ABC voter.  Anyone but Clinton. Laura Carno posted an article that said you don’t get the candidate you want, you get the candidate the majority supported.

John – There is no perfect politician. If I wanted the perfect candidate it would be an amalgam of a number of the candidates like Rand Paul, Cruz, Trump, Carly, etc.

 

Yahoo’s infomercial hosted by Katie Couric and paid for by Bloomberg

Yahoo media’s newswoman, Katie Couric, starred in an anti-gun infomercial.  That isn’t surprising.  What is surprising is that Yahoo News claimed to be objective.  

We’re not surprised when a criminal lies on the witness stand.  We are surprised when the judge lies.  I guess times have changed and we should no longer be surprised when the news media sells us purchased propaganda as fact.

 

Couric’s producer severely edited the response from gun owners to distort their meaning and their reaction to Couric’s questions.  Also, the show recorded a four hour interview with crime expert Dr John Lott.  They didn’t use a minute of the interview because the data did not support their anti-gun bias.  Reporter David Workman tells us why Yahoo News went to such lengths to distort the record.   Workman examined the Bloomberg groups who funded the film.

 

They include Everytown for Gun Safety, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, Americans for Responsible Solutions, Sandy Hook Promise, the Violence Policy Center, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, States United Against Gun Violence, Purpose Over Pain, the San Antonio Area Foundation and the Seattle-based Alliance for Gun Responsibility.

 

Comment- The reported documentary was a Bloomberg infomercial.  Yahoo news is now a pay for play news outlet.

 

John – Couric has been widely criticized in the conservative press. More importantly, she was taken to task by the Washington Post and NPR. Once you’ve lost NPR….

John- It goes to show why it is so important to have your own recording of an interview when dealing with the mainstream media.

 

DC must issue permits.  DC AG ignores law.

The Washington, D.C. attorney general, Karl Racine, ordered the DC police to ignore an order from the US district court.  Judge Richard Leon had ordered the city to issue concealed carry permits without relying on the city’s “good reason,” justification, and to immediately update the forms to eliminate that question.

 

The city’s good reason justification is an excuse to reject an honest civilians request to get a permit.  The applicants are then only allowed to be armed inside their homes.  Open carry is outlawed.

As open-carry is completely prohibited, the inability to get a permit to conceal-carry means no one is allowed to bear arms outside his home without the permission of the D.C. government.

For instance, according to the D.C. government, living in a “high-crime area” is not considered a “good enough” reason to want to be able to defend yourself. This is hardly the strict scrutiny applied to the other enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights like the First Amendment.

 

Reporter Devin Watkins tried to register in person, and was rejected.  The Attorney General’s office said he could file a complaint online.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/27/d-c-circuit-temporarily-suspends-order-requiring-d-c-to-issue-concealed-carry-permits/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

Comment- contempt of court?

Comment- US Marshal’s service?

 

Gun Quotes

“America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

 

So the political motto should be “make america good again”

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Massad Ayoob and Craig DeLuz(

 

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3A- Massad Ayoob

 

3B- Massad Ayoob

 

4-Interview 2 with Craig DeLuz of the Firearms Policy Coalition

 

Action item: Call, email, fax California House and Assembly to Vote NO on the Gunpocalypse bills!

Contact Info and more on the bills:  www.Firearmspolicy.org

Main one to contact: Speaker Anthony Rendon

Message: Vote NO on the Gunpocalypse bills

 

Especially egregious bills: SB1332 and AB156 – sponsored by Assemblyman Kevin McCarty and Senator Kevin de Leon – ammo registration. Requires license to sell ammunition, application to be able to purchase ammo, creates record of ammo purchases, opens the door to tracking

 

Confiscation of standard-capacity magazines – any magazine that holds more than 10 rounds (SB and AB)

 

Several bills banning AR-15s or any semi-auto centerfire rifle that has a detachable magazine

 

All these have passed the Senate. Some could go straight to the governor, others will go to the Assembly.

 

Stop the Gunpocalypse bills now!

 

5- DGUs

 

Man of the Cloth and a Man of the Gun
It was a desperate, terrifying situation, a 9-year-old Tennessee girl was abducted by a madman, the girl’s uncle. Heeding the cries of the desperate family, a Baptist minister joined three others in the wilderness, part of a search that included hundreds more. The four searched for three days, riding their ATVs almost a hundred miles over rough terrain. Losing daylight, they decided to check just one more area in a remote valley… And there they found little Carlie Trent, clutching a teddy bear, miraculously alive! They also found the uncle, and because the Man of the Cloth had teamed with a Man of the Gun, the kidnapper was captured and held for the authorities.  

Carlie Trent was hospitalized as a precaution after her ordeal. Surrounded by celebrating searchers, her four saviors were were rightfully called heroes.  

 

For those saying that one cannot be a Christian and own a gun, they should look very hard at this situation…. Guns, in the hands of good people, do good — if not great — things.  

 

Rob- I’m bothered that some media said this was not a defensive gun use.  Yes, it was.  The firearm made a critical difference, and probably prevented violence.

John – This DGU made the news while we were in KY.

 

To Protect His Son, Texas Man Shoots Robber in Drive-Thru
Would you like lead with that?-

We’ve all heard gun owners make this excuse.  I’ll only carry a gun when I go some place dangerous. Is a few blocks from a police station a dangerous place?   Is a McDonalds drive through a dangerous place?  Is 2pm in the afternoon a dangerous time?  They were this time, and thank goodness this dad had a gun in Houston, Texas.

 

A 37 year old man was sitting in his truck and waiting in the fast food drive-through line.  His 4 year old son was strapped into the car seat behind him.  A stranger walked up and put a gun to the driver’s side window.  We don’t know if the robber wanted cash, or wanted the truck.  We do know that the two men fought while the driver was still inside the vehicle.  The driver presented his legally owned firearm and shot the robber three times.  The gun owner then stayed at the scene and called police. We know the gun owner also contacted his wife, and his attorney.   The gun owner’s wife came to pick up their child.  His lawyer said the criminal had two prior drug arrests.

 

Rob- So a person is walking by your car.  Does his bag hold a happy meal, or a 9mm?

 

Can  you drive away?

 

Paul – Normally a McDonalds is only dangerous to your taste buds… and your cholesterol level

 

John – Or waistline. Many of these drive-thrus are restricted places in terms of movement.

 

Can you draw while you’re sitting on your gun?

 

Sometimes, trouble that isn’t even your’s comes calling….

All these years of DGUs have taught us that you always have to be ready, for trouble can come anywhere and at any moment.

 

Trouble came crashing into the high-rise Houston office of a tax consultant one afternoon. A client at a mental health clinic had what was charitably called ‘a mental episode.’ Police said the man was “Yelling, making demands, kicking on the doors, kicked in the glass door, totally damaged”. Photos show the heavy glass doors shattered and twisted. The mostly female staff of the clinic retreated behind locked door, prompting the man to take his rage next door to the tax consulting office.

 

The patient allegedly lunged at the owner of the business. In fear of his life, the owner fired one shot, killing the violent intruder. The businessman is said to be a licensed concealed carrier. Police continue to review the video from the many security cameras within the building, but for now, there have been no charges filed.    

 

Elderly Man Uses Gun To Defend Wife and Himself, One Attacker Dead

A 71-year-old homeowner and his wife were startled awake by several men kicking in his front door down. Paul Morgan got the gun he keeps near his bed and went to the front door. He warned the  men to stop, but they continued.  In fear for his wife’s and his life, he opened fire through the door.

 

Police finally arrived and found one suspect lying dead on the sidewalk. The deceased was identified as Haciel Plancarte Vasquez, 36. Police said Morgan will not face charges in connection with the incident.

 

Morgan stated that he shot in order to protect himself and his wife: “I didn’t have no choice but to stop him cause I wasn’t going to let him come in here and hurt me. I couldn’t take that chance. You know anytime someone coming in your house at one o’clock at night — got nerve enough to try to break in your house — you know they probably have something going to kill me and her both. I couldn’t take that chance.” <unqoute>

Arm yourself – you can’t take that chance.  

John – Shooting thru the door isn’t encouraged. We don’t know if it was a heavy door or a glass.


Love Triangle – Road Rage – And a Gun
Finally, from blogger Miguel Gonzalez’s South Florida, comes a tale of a love triangle that hit reverse – several times. This incident proves that Miggy isn’t the craziest Florida Man, not by a longshot.   

Claudens R. Germain, 27, chose the 4 AM hour to visit his ex-girlfriend’s Port St. Lucie home uninvited. Pounding on her door, he woke up his ex – and her new boyfriend. After some time, Claudens apparently went away in frustration. The FNG (See what we did there?) left a bit later, driving off into the early morning. However, the unidentified man found himself pursued, cut off and forced to a stop on the street. Sure that he was being robbed, the paramour armed himself with his legally possessed handgun and left his car to confront the other driver. Of course, that driver was our old friend Claudens. The two exchanged words, spit, and a forearm to the head. Ol’ Claud returned the favor by gunning his car in reverse and ramming it into his rival’s vehicle several times. The victim fired his gun into the rear window of Claud’s car.

The shattering glass prompted Germain to jerk forward about 60 feet, but he stopped — and once again slammed the car into reverse, this time aiming for the victim. The victim’s car took most of the hit, but the victim was knocked to the ground and injured. As he fell, he put a single round into the driver’s side door. Ol’ Claud finally got that hollow-pointed message and drove away. However, his victim’s dash-cam had recorded the details of the assault and Germain was arrested at his home several hours later.    

Germain collected an impressive amount of charges in his predawn escapade; he was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without intent to kill, criminal mischief — property damage, hit and run with injury; and leaving the scene of a crash involving property damage. He remains in jail in lieu of a 27 thousand dollar bond.

The gun and the well placed shot likely convinced the crazed ex-boyfriend to end his attack, possibly saving the life of the new boyfriend. As we’ve noted before, a car is a terribly effective weapon. It took another effective weapon to end the threat.

Guys, any comments about the victim’s tactics – or lack of same?  

 

Paul

Rob- I’m glad the new boyfriend had a dash camera because it looks bad as you shoot into the back of a car.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Listener voice mail –

 

Email from Craig in Houston

 

Greetings from Texas!
Your show is a great source of information.  Thank you for all of the effort!

It seems the current political atmosphere, at the Federal level, is very threatening to our Second Amendment rights.  With Mr. Obama trying to build a legacy with his pen and his phone and Mrs. Clinton having been very clear about her desire for Australian gun control, I fear there could be severe consequences for everyone.  How dire do you believe the situation is?

All the best,
Craig in Houston
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Paul – congress is EVERYTHING!

Rob- Paul, you’re right.  We can replace the US government every two years.  Paul, you’re wrong.  The US supreme court is everything if Hillary can appoint 5 new justices.

John – Unlike Obama, Clinton has much more political skills esp. wJith Congress.

Gary –

John – Gary’s right. Remember Bill Clinton had a Republican congress after 1994.

 

John writes in about a few topics on previous episodes

 

Hi guys,
Wanted to comment regarding a couple of emails that you talked about last episode.

First, on Dean’s experience at his carbine class… As to how he should respond to such an experience, I would suggest that he go onto his favorite online forum and write an honest AAR about his experience. My training buddy and I have been doing the same for a few years now and it provides a good resource for other students to search out and is also valuable as a reference for us to look back on as we pursue new training goals.

I’m not trying to come to the defense of the unnamed instructor, but a couple of observations… Most carbine courses I’ve ever taken, it has been suggested to show up with a zeroed carbine. Now, to be sure, a few minutes of class will be devoted to a discussion of carbine zeroes as well as confirming zeroes with live fire, but how long is an instructor supposed to hold up the rest of the class for two students who may not have shown up prepared? In that instance, perhaps “good enough” was indeed good enough to move on to other coursework. Also, in every class I’ve taken (except for at the Sig Academy), policing of brass at the end of class has been standard and expected. As good ambassadors of the sport and training, it is incumbent on us to leave a range facility better than we found it.

Having said that, it sounds as if Dean really did have a horrible training experience. I wouldn’t train with that instructor… If Dean is looking for some really solid carbine fundamentals, I would suggest Kyle Defoor, Mike Pannone, or Paul Howe.

Second, in response to Jake’s inquiry about carrying while on a bicycle, I would suggest that he look at the Hill People Gear Kit Bag. I bought one when I was looking for a solution to carry while using a backpack with a waist belt, and the kit bag excels in a variety of scenarios. They make a runner’s version which may be more appropriate to his needs. I use mine for everything from backpacking to kayaking. As well, Contact Concealment makes the HPG Holster that is specifically designed to work with the kit bag.

Take care and keep up the good work!
John
John – Good idea to look for AAR and reviews of a class and instructor.

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Aaron wants to talk about POGO (pants on gun on)

 

I’ve been a listener to the podcast for over a year now, since the inimitable Anthony Colandro mentioned it on his podcast. Thanks for your hard work and diligence!

 

I sadly dwell within the People’s Republic of New Jersey. Though my wife and I are looking at property across the border in PA, the only place I can be armed is in my home. I currently have a AR-15 that I built for CQB in a safe under my bed, and around the house I often wear a Smith & Wesson Shield in 9mm with an IWB holster. The reason it’s “often” worn and not “always” is because I have a hard time building the habit of putting it on when I get home from work. I’m very much a morning-routine person, and an evening routine like this is difficulty for me to form when I get home from work and try to distract the kids while my wife is putting dinner on the table.

 

So, first, any tips on how to remedy this?

 

Rob-

John – Wear an empty holster

 

My second issue is that I typically change into sweats or gym shorts around the kids’ bed time. Are there any holster options for this mode of dress? Or do I simply need to man up and wear my regular pants until I hit the hay.

 

Rob-

Aaron

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And Charles wants to talk about Catholicism and the right to keep and bear arms.

 

Polite Society,

Enjoyed the discussion on self defense and being a Christian. One of the things that I as a Catholic have found myself doing time and again is being an apologetic for the faith and having to explain how the Pope can be Fallible and Infallible.

Pope Francis like anyone else is a man that from time to time can find himself walking off the reservation, as he did in Turin at a youth rally making the now infamous “you cannot own guns and be a Christian”. This of course is a bad interpretation of the speech which was in Italian, but I’ll come back to that later.

The only time Pope Francis is infallible is when he is talking on matters of “faith and morals”, this is important to distinguish because when he is making an ex-cathedra statement there is a strict formula to adhere to and an ass load of  Cardinals to ensure it is not contradictory to Cannon Law or dogma.

So when Pope Francis goes native in which in this case as an Argentine Socialist he can be, and has been fallible, or as some would say mistaken. Now Pope Francis is a smart man and he is very aware of the existence of Cathecism 2263 through 2267, and would never make a statement contrary to this cannon from his position of infallibility.

The Catholic Church have had some bad popes that have tarnished the Chair of Peter, some sought power, monetary and sexual gains. We have had A LOT of good and righteous Popes, where Pope Francis falls in this spectrum only God knows.

Catholics have anti-gun Cardindals, Bishops, Priest, and  Parishners and yes they have been running with this like no ones business. Father Flagler of Chicago to name one, and i said in my text we have a name for them, Kennedy Catholics. However there are many more pro-gun pro-second amendment Catholics.

So let me come back to the lost in translation statement that the media and many others took as a Catholic endorsement to gun control. When the Pope made his statement the original language was Italian.

And here is Lori Janeski on the blog “Catholic Geeks” to better explain.

“Se ti fidi solo degli uomini, hai perso! Imprenditori che si dicono cristiani e fabbricano armi: quello dà un po’ di sfiducia!

 

The important word here is the one that has been translated as “weapons” in the English versions of his statement: armi.  This is mostly accurate, but still deceptive, because it means “any weapon of violence,” and it doesn’t come across with the same meaning in English.  When we say “weapons” these days, we mean “guns” most of the time.  “Armi” also where we get the word “army,” of course.  If he meant “pistol,” as the lamestream media seems to interpret his statement, he would have said “pistola” or “fucile,” the latter including rifles.  The more common word he would have used would be “carabina,” which is where we get the word “carbine.”  It’s also why the Italian military/national police are called “Carabineri.”

Oh, by the way, “armi” includes swords.   So he’s condemned sword manufacturers, too.

So, if you look at the whole statement (which no one wants to do when they’re trying to make it sound like he said something he didn’t), you can see that when he says “weapons,” he probably means something very different from “guns.”

Lori Janeski goes on to write:

“Immediately after he says that about weapons, he says:

They say one thing and do another. Hypocrisy … But we see what happened during the last century: in 1914, or rather in 1915 precisely. There was the great tragedy in Armenia. Many people died. I do not know how many, but certainly more than a million. Where were the great powers of the time? They looked away. Why? Because they were interested in war: their war! And those who died, they were second class people, human beings. Then, in the 1930s and 1940s, the tragedy of the Shoah. The great powers had photographed the railway lines that carried the trains to the concentration camps, such as Auschwitz, to kill Jews, and also Christians, Roma, homosexuals, to kill them there. But tell me, why did they not bomb them? Interests! And soon after, almost at the same time, there were the lagers in Russia: Stalin … how many Christians suffered and were killed. The great powers divided Europe like a cake. Many years had to pass before reaching a certain ‘freedom’. There is the hypocrisy of speaking about peace and producing arms, and even selling weapons to this one, who is at war with that one, and to that one who is at war with this!

 

Oh, look at that.  He’s talking about arms dealers and genocide, not privately owned legal firearms.  The “great tragedy in Armenia” was a genocide attempt.  The “Shoah” is the Holocaust.  Stalin slaughtered how many Russians, again?

Francis isn’t talking about you or me owning a legal firearm for sports, hunting, or self-defense.  He’s talking about war and genocide.  Did he say that clearly?  No, but as we have seen before, this is a personal problem of his, where he says things off the cuff that come back to bite him in the butt, and make the media and paranoid Catholics everywhere lose their minds.

Given the combination of his use of the Italian word “armi” and the rest of his statement, I don’t think there’s anything for us legal gun owners to worry about.  The media, once again, has taken it out of its real context and perverted his already unclear meaning.  That’s Francis’ fault for not being clear, but that doesn’t make him the Antichrist.”

Lori Janeski said it better than I ever could. So, Paul and crew, I hope that I have changed some attitudes about the Catholic stance on self defense, yes there are anti-gun Catholics but no where near the level of the Amish.

Best Regards,

Charles from Kansas

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And Carl wants to talk about a Statue in Texas

 

All,

 

There is a statue in Austin, TX that I believe captures the heart of the reason for our 2nd amendment.  Rachel could give more detail, but the statue depicts Angelina Eberly warning the town that her government, led by Sam Houston, was attempting to overstep its bounds.  I saw this statue for the first time last October and fell in love with it.  For something that does not move, there is a lot of action depicted.

 

And as another salute to Texas history, there is the story of the Gonzales cannon (I got the shirt.).  That story is similar to the story of the Battle of Thermopylae.

 

I really enjoyed expanding my knowledge of the history of Texas during my visit.

 

And for Rachel, “Keep Austin weird!”.

 

Carl


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- John and I were part of a huge experiment last weekend.  We found out that guns DO NOT cause crime.  In fact, guns reduce crime.  John, I.. along with 20 thousand other responsibly armed civilians squeezed 160 man- years of concealed carry into three days at this year’s NRA annual meeting.  None of us was violent.  None of the guns on display attacked anyone.  If guns cause an epidemic of gun violence, then NRA members are the vaccine.

 

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland, and at my blog  slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog only guns and money

 

John- The official attendance was 80,452. That was second only to the 2013 Annual Meeting in Houston. Now to the blog. I have two posts up about the NRA’s endorsement of Trump and Trump’s position on the Second Amendment. I listened to Trump’s full speech and it was very strong on the Supreme Court, self-defense, carry laws, and gun-free zones. As to the NRA endorsement of Trump, I think in terms of practical pragmatic politics they didn’t have a choice. On one side you have Heartless Hillary and on the other is a guy who has come around to our position. They aren’t 100% sure what Trump will do but they know full well what Hillary will do. There has been criticism of the NRA’s endorsement but critics need to get over it and work to defeat Hillary.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests)

Massad Ayoob and Craig DeLuz for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Rob- I won’t be with you next weekend.

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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