Episode 376 – Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Troy Clopton

4- Interview Segment 2: Greg Hopkins

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday May 5th 2016 (Still getting over my May the 4th hangover), I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and on tonight’s show we will talk with Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins about Guns and the Christian faith.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about promoting guns on college campus.. Without being arrested.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s A young man tried to rob a concealed carry holder with a bb gun.  You can guess how that ended..  so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 376 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I created a new website called Everyone for Gun Safety.  Some Washington Lawyers suggested I stop using my old wordpress site Everytown for gun safety.  And I’m reading three gun books.

 

John – Barb and I had a great weekend at the East TN Blogger Shoot. We met up on Friday night for dinner with Dennis giving us a tour of his holster workshop. Then on Saturday we spent all day at the range despite torrential rain later in the day. There was a lot of “here, try this pistol” or “may I try your .357 mag lever action” throughout the day. We had great food, great company, and a great time. Then yesterday I had coffee with Andy Langlois who runs the Scout Rifle Forum and is the maker of the Ching Sling.

 

Gary – Getting ready for MAG40

Paul/Susan Final week before MAG 40. Really getting rushed with preparations.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

There is room for liberty on campus.. Even in Texas.  Nicole Sanders and a fellow activist were recruiting students on the Brenham campus of Blinn College to join Young Americans for Liberty, a student organization Sanders was forming. The two held signs for an hour and a half outside of the student center. One sign read “LOL,” with the Obama presidential campaign logo replacing the “O,” and another sign stated, “Defend Gun Rights on Campus.”

After they were done recruiting, Sanders and her friend went into the student center, where they were approached by an administrator and three armed campus police officers. The administrator told them they needed “special permission” to collect sign-ups for their club and display their signs. The official then added, “I don’t know that you can get special permission” to advocate for gun rights, explaining that she was not against guns, but “on campus, I’m not so sure.” Sanders later requested clarification from a different administrator, who sent her copies of two college policies, one of which required that student organizations request permission a month in advance and gain approval from four administrators for any on- or off-campus expressive activity.

 

The contest about who is allowed to speak and carry signs ended with Blinn College paying 50 thousand dollars for damages and attorney fees.

 

Well done.. And let’s “Defend Gun Rights on Campus.”

John – Good for Nicole. Too bad Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal, a NRA A+ rated Republican, didn’t listen to her. He vetoed campus carry yesterday which had easily passed the GA Legislature.

 

Another record month of background checks

According to AWR Hawkins over at Breitbart April set the 12th record month in a row of background checks for retail gun sales.  Background checks performed in April was 2,145,865. That beats the previous April record of 1,742,946, which was set in 2014. This streak should continue, and if it looks like Hillary may actually win her bid for the White house expect to see it explode, and another round of gun and ammo shortages hit your local gun store.

 

Rob- 23 percent year to year is substantial growth.

 

Sheldon Silver gets a 12 year sentence

Former New York state assembly speaker and one of the authors of the New York SAFE act Sheldon Silver was sentenced to 12 years in prison this week for corruption. In addition to the prison term Sheldon was ordered to repay 5.2 million in ill gotten gains and pay a 1.75 million dollar fine. Sheldon must report to the prison by July 1st to start serving his sentence.

Paul

Rob- Convicted felon Sheldon Silver was a very strong supporter for Hillary Rodham Clinton

Gary – Unfortunately you are the only person saying it, we won’t see that in the press.

 

Obama going after gun rights through Social Security.

Katie Pavlich over at Townhall is reporting that the Obama administration is trying again to push through a requirement that all recipients of Social Security that get their benefits through a third party be submitted to the federal NICS system and have their 2nd amendment rights stripped. This is a trap that will possibly ensnare millions of Social Security recipients who may for convenience decide that they would like some help with their financial affairs. This is a move that we have reported on before, but it looks like the Obama administration is getting serious about moving forward on this quickly.

 

John – Adding another 4 million people to the NICS banned list makes me angrier than you can image. It is unconscionable to these people and to veterans who fought for this country.

Gary –

Rob- Some of them are ill or undergoing medical treatment.  If you ask someone to pay your bills while you’re undergoing chemo then you lose your right to own or be near a firearm.

 

Beating on the Chicago “EL”

A student was attacked on the CTA Blue Line in broad daylight – and she says other people on the train just watched as she was beaten. (WLS)

 

Chicago DePaul student Jessica Hughes was on her way home when she was attacked while sitting in a rail car near the Blue Line stop at Harrison and Kedzie. The attack happened around 10am on Thursday morning.

 

“If you were seeing someone else getting abused, wouldn’t you want to step in?” Hughes said.

 

Hughes said that perhaps more painful than the beating she took at the hands of two robbers while riding the “L”, is that fellow passengers who saw the attack, did nothing to stop it.

 

“I was yelling for help. There were two other guys on the train and they did nothing. They just watched as he beat me,”

 

Her 19 y.o. Attacker wanted her iPhone and started beating her when she would not let go. His female accomplice then punched her in the face before fleeing at the next stop without the iPhone.

 

Hughes suffered a broken nose but is recovering at home. She is not sure when or if she will take the train again given the attack.

 

Police said they are looking at surveillance video as they continue to search for the attackers. So far, no one is in custody.

 

Rob- People watched as this young woman was beaten in broad daylight .. in a gun free zone.

Gary –

John – Gary, Is pepper spray also banned?

 

Gun Quotes-  This one is from Michael Beard.  Michael said, “I would agree that clearly, no law is going to prevent criminals from getting handguns or any kind of weapons they want.. You can’t stop criminals from getting guns”  Michael Beard was the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins.

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4- Interview 1-Troy Clopton of god and guns podcast

 

5- Interview 2- Greg Hopkins about Guns and the Christian faith. He is the author of A Time to Kill: The Myth of Christian Pacifism

Rob- You sound certain.  Why is this contentious?

 

6- DGUs

 

We’ve got a number of self defense stories – unfortunately, with more than usual lessons to be learned.

 

Real vs. Fake Gun – Which One Wins?

A Millennial brought a BB gun to a gunfight — and whadayaknow — lost.   

The Boston area teen offered to sell a dirt bike to a 31-year-old man. They settled on a 700 buck price and agreed to meet in a quiet, family neighborhood to complete the deal.  However, the 15-year-old had something other than honest capitalism in mind; he packed a realistic looking BB gun.

When the teenager produced the gun, there was an immediate struggle for the weapon. During the fight, the victim was able to get to a pistol he had in his truck. He fired three times, striking the crook once. The ventilated criminal ran off, but collapsed nearby.  Police arrived to take the thuglet to the hospital, where his condition has not been released due to his age. He will eventually be charged with Armed Robbery While Masked. The investigation is continuing, but to date no charges have been filed against the victim, who is licensed to carry a gun. The victim wisely refused to discuss the shooting with local media. The area’s residents seemed generally supportive of the victim, despite the gunplay that shattered their neighborhood’s quiet.


When looking at this incident, we must again reiterate the dangers of these Craigslist type of sales. Please be hyper-aware and utilize police parking lots to make the transactions, if possible. And if licensed, it is nearly always better to carry on body, instead of nearby. Leaving the gun in the truck could have proved disastrous to the gentleman. For the Millennial, we hope he will learn something from this experience and straighten out… We can always hope.  

 

Paul – Play stupid games win stupid prizes – POGO

Rob- Consider the options.  The gun is usually real, not a bb bun.  Carry, because you don’t know when criminals will attack you.

 

80-Year-Old Stops Brutal Attack By 25-Year-Old

Talk about disparity of force: a 25-year-old intruder with a large knife was stabbing a 75-year-old man on the floor. Fortunately, his 80-year-old wife had an equalizer.

 

Investigating the late-night sounds of a door being kicked in, the woman found her husband on the floor, with a man with a large knife standing over him. She ran to a bedroom and got a gun and shot the attacker several times, saving her husband from additional wounds. He was airlifted to Seattle hospital with several abdominal stab punctures, but is expected to survive. His assailant did not.


Police determined that the criminal (excuse us: the person involved in the <quote> “Justice” <end quote> system) lived several miles away from the couple’s’ rural Snohomish County, Washington home. Police believe the perpetrator did not know the victims; this seems a random crime; perhaps the house was chosen for it’s remote location.   

 

We certainly commend the woman’s courage and skill. However, we will point out that several precious seconds could have been saved it the couple were wearing their firearms. We will continue to advocate for POGO: Pants On – Gun On, even if you are living your Golden Years in the beautiful Washington countryside. This is just one more instance where the possession of a firearm by law-abiding citizens prevented a tragedy that could well have included multiple murders.



Can you hear us now, Bloomberg?  

 

John – While the intruder may not have known his victims, I wonder if he went after them for drugs. Elderly people tend to be on more medications.

Pregnant Couple In Stand-Off With Armed Burglar
A young Tennessee couple faced a nightmare situation: a Mexican Stand-off with an armed intruder.


The couple returned home one evening and found several broken windows. They somehow decided to search their home with guns drawn. It was hardly surprising that they found a man in a closet, and that he had a gun. In a scene reminiscent of the classic The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly climax, the three faced each other over drawn guns. The couple recognized their 20-year-old neighbor and the woman’s pink handgun he was pointing at them. The criminal threatened the couple with death unless they disarmed, they refused and called 911. Making the best of an insane situation, the operator told the couple to stay on the phone and “keep your gun pointed. That way, if he shoots, you fire also.” <unquote>  Oy. <unquote>

 

When deputies arrived, they tried negotiating with the suspect still inside the house. The cornered criminal even called 911 to talk to the cops. “He counted down from 10. We heard “7”, then we heard a pop.” The suspect had taken his own life.

When analyzing this situation, there’s one very big DON’T DO! Never enter a building where a criminal is suspected of hiding. That’s for the police; they have the training, equipment and manpower to do that very dangerous task. Clearing a building can and does get people killed, even trained professionals. These two, and their unborn child, are VERY lucky they survived.

Stupidity kills. Even if Darwin happened to be looking the other way this time.  

 

Rob- Let’s look at what they did right.  They were carrying, and they did not lower their guard.

 

Boy Shoots a Home Invader, Who Cries Like a Baby

A Talladega, Alabama boy shot a home invader, making him cry like a widdle baby.  Chris Gaither, 11 was home alone when a burglar broke in. Scared, he grabbed a handgun and called for the burglar to leave the house. It seems the boy was surprised by the intruder coming down the stairs. The crook told the boy he was going kill him with all the usual colorful expletives.   

 

According to the news reports, the intruder made it to the front door before the boy started firing. The crook trundled across the yard and was about to jump a fence before the boy’s 12th and last round hit him in the leg.  “I shot through the hamper he was carrying,” Gaither said. “it was a full metal jacket bullet. It went straight through the back of his leg. He started crying like a little baby.” <unquote>

 

Police have not released the name of the suspect, nor his condition in the local hospital. Gaither’s mother believes the man has robbed their house before. The young marksman gives his stepdad all the credit for his shooting skills.

It goes without saying that we commend the bravery of the boy. However, we will once again reiterate that if the criminal is running away, the law in Tennessee and most states does not allow the victim to fire. Additionally, full metal jacketed bullets usually have no place in a self-defense firearm. Still, when this stout-hearted lad turns 18, we hope he gets his CCW, along with some additional training.

 

Paul – In SD the parent is liable (financially) for the actions of their children.

 

Rob- Good that he was armed.  Good that his parents exposed him to firearms and decided he was mature enough to use them.  Bad that he fired at a fleeing criminal.  The youngsters use of force may be justified since the criminal threatened him with death or great bodily harm.

 

John – I would make sure that the young man get some more training. If he only hit him with one out of 12 rounds, he needs more marksmanship training plus knowing when to not shoot.

 

CCW Intervenes in a Domestic Dispute Shooting — And is Killed
And finally, come a very harsh, very real aspect of our concealed carry life, one we feel our listeners need to take to heart.

T.J. Antell, 35, witnessed a domestic dispute turn to gunfire outside a Arlington, Texas Walgreen’s. Ricci Bradden, 22, shot his wife Quinisha once in the ankle and jumped in his truck to escape. Former Marine Antell ran to his own truck for his weapon and attempted to stop Bradden. The Army soldier got out of his truck, slapped down Antell’s firearm, and shot him in the head. The father of three died in the Walgreen’s parking lot in front of his wife, Crystal.  

 

“He went into protective mode. He’s a father, he’s protective by nature,” Antell’s pastor, Marc Lowrance, told reporters. “And he thought he could help everyone involved, and tragically it went a different way.” <unquote>

Tragic is a gross understatement. There’s nothing about a CCW license or training that guarantees a happy outcome. A very brave man put his life on the line attempting a citizen’s arrest of an armed and fleeing suspect. And unfortunately, he lost that bet, to the detriment of his family and to all of us that no longer have the company of such a fine man. One of the absolute rules of the armed citizen is that if you do not need to act to save life or limb, You. Should. Not. Act. Please honor the memory of T.J. Antell and keep that in mind. And maybe, spare a moment in prayer for this outstanding man and his family.  

Godspeed, T.J. Antell. Rest in Peace, Marine.  

 

Gary –

John –

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Hello again from the Steel City!

 

Wanted to share my thoughts on a class I took over the weekend here in Pittsburgh. My skills with a carbine are somewhat lacking so I decided to take a “Carbine 1”: course taught locally here in the area. Class was $350 bucks. This is a rather long winded email, so feel free to edit this to fit for time purposes or as needed.

 

Here is what I was told via their web site.

 

TOPICS COVERED WILL BE:

  • Firearms Safety Rules
  • Developing Proper Situational Awareness
  • Carbine Zeroing
  • 7 Fundamentals of Carbine Marksmanship
  • Carbine Reloads and Malfunction Clearing
  • Carbine to Pistol Transitions
  • Proper Use of Cover and Concealment
  • Threat Discrimination
  • Standard and Non-Standard Shooting Positions
  • Shooting While Moving
  • Night Shoot / Low Light Exercise

 

Well let me say the course was not what it was built up to be. I could give you a blow by blow of the course but I’ll just give you the lowlights here.

1) We were told to bring a minimum of 500 rounds. After day one, he out loud questioned if 500 hundred rounds would be enough, then when all was said and done, Ii personally only got to shoot about 350 rounds (we all shot the same amount so I am sure most had extra ammo at the end. Some even went to the gun store to buy more after day 1 based on his comments.

2) His demeanor ranged from wanting to be our buddies more than teach us to downright belittling one student who was struggling.

3) Some brought his stated minimum number of 3 AR magazines then were criticized for not having enough and slowing the class down.

4) Several things we were to cover were simply not done. Two people said they needed to zero their rifles, he took about 15 minutes to help them then just said “Well that is good enough, you can work with that” The “7 fundamentals of carbine marksmanship” were not covered except for him to name them out to us on the firing line. We did ZERO malfunction drills. ZERO. Cover and concealment were not covered. All shooting was done standing on the firing line for all shooting. No shooting and moving. No night shoot.

5) the last hour and a half were spent with him giving his list of AR’s and equipment he recommends. And when i say recommends, if your not using what he uses, it’s junk. Example. “All pistols other than the Glock series and the S&W M&P series are junk.” Student who owns a Sig 226. “What about Sig’s?” Instructor “Sig’s are over engineered junk”.  Another example “The only AR you should get should be made by one of 3 companies. Bravo Compnay, Lurue. Or Colt. Anything else is junk.” Now mind you, I am smart enough to see the errors in his statements, but most of the class was nodding their heads and literally taking notes. One person behind me spoke to his wife (also attending the class) about his need to trade in this existing AR for one that the instructor mentioned.  

6) The instructors Bravo Company AR repeatedly jammed during class. He blamed this on new magazines he was trying out. I gave him one of my milspec Brownell mags to use to complete a drill he was trying to show us, The gun jammed again. At this point he performed the mortar technique to attempt to clear it and broke his stock then went into a tirade about  it.

7) He gave a long and rambling history of the AR which included many errors including that the US military adopted the AR15 as the M16 in 1957. His history also skipped the M-14 going direct from the M1 Garand to the M16.

8) We also were told at the end of the class that we as students had to pick up all the brass and place them in several buckets he had. When I mumbled out loud that he was probably going to reload our brass for himself, he heard and said, “Oh i donate all this to a local boy scout troop, they take it to be recycled”. OK fine, whatever. I doubt it but a paying customer should not have to be down on his or her knees for 30-45 mins of my class time picking up brass.

The class was an extreme disappointment. the instructor kept moving different parts of the class around and generally didn’t seem to have a grasp of what he was trying to accomplish. mind you, this guy has been in business for years. His main goal seemed to be to stroke his own ego. And the sad part is, many of the students were gladly signing up for his “Carbine 2” class offered later this year.

 

So how does one respond when you go to a class that is clearly not what we expect? Should I just consider this water over the dam and drop it? How can we as the consumer protect ourselves from getting sucked in by a slick website or someone promising all the right things in their ad’s.

Dean

Rob- the best recommendations are from students who’ve had a wide range of training.

John – ask other instructors who you trust to recommend someone in your area.

 

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Last episode, you talked briefly with Grant Cunningham about carrying while on a motorcycle, and I have recently had a related topic come up – Bicycle carry.

 

I recently moved to a metropolitan area and landed an office job, and in an effort to keep a spare tire at bay, I’m going to take up bicycling for exercise.  Since I am in a large city, I would like to be able to carry while I’m on a bike, but my traditional IWB at 5:00 prints like a Deskjet when I’m bent over my bicycle, and clothing can ride up over it easily.  The fanny pack mentioned last episode sounds like a good idea, but does anyone else have experience with other carry methods that might work as well?  It needs to be resistant to clothing riding up over it, as well as the jostling you might expect if I take a bicycle over a curb or a busted-up sidewalk, and I would like to be able to wear reasonably light clothing while exercising.

 

Thanks,

Jake (from State Farm)

 

John – http://www.thewilderness.com/safepacker-concealment-holster/

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Hi folks,

I just wanted to add to the conversation from the last podcast about shooting from bed.  I gave this some thought in our house.  I realized that my position in bed could have me firing at my daughter who is in line with me, 2 drywall walls away.  I have seen lots of ballistic penetration videos where this arrangement could be a real problem.  Now, will I be able to consider this alignment given the sleep inertia that Paul discussed?

 

Thanks for the great podcast.

 

Doug

Savage, MN

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We got some text messages as well

 

A quick reporting regarding alien gear cloak tuck 3.0. Worn for 3 weeks, the metal insert began to cut the top where the leather and neoprene backing are stitched together. Relatively comfortable and had to change to metal clips as the plastic ones provided initially were not secure. Warranteed,but obviously would happen again so ordered a stealth gear. They are 45 day lead time, but I’ll send word once it’s tested etc.

TNJR (Tennessee Junior)

 

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Afternoon crew,

 

Since I don’t own an AR (yet) my wife says I can have one under two conditions.

  1. Get a gun safe
  2. She wants one too

God I’m blessed 😊

I don’t know anything about gun safes other than I don’t want a cheap one that anyone can break into and I don’t want to break the bank either. Any recommendations on which brands you all like, what to look for in a quality safe etc etc would be helpful.

 

P.S. I need to hurry up and get this before Killary gets in office next January.

 

Thank you

JP

 

CF: Worn an Alien Gear CloakTuck 3 almost daily for 6 months without a problem. Hmm. As for safes, I honestly believe Liberty Safes are the best value for the money: great safes and a greater company supporting them. (Full Disclosure: I’m the Liberty Safe Captain at the Gonne Shoppe. But, I’ve had a Liberty FatBoy Jr. in my basement before I started working there.)  

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Regarding Richard’s shot timer question from episode 374, tell him to check out the Shotmaxx

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From Jeff in Florida-

I heard you talking about using blue guns with students.  When I have a student point a blue gun at my right eye to check their sight alignment,  I make it very clear that this is an instructional exception.  In my opinion, and from my observation, the students then get it; better than they would have, the importance of muzzle awareness.

 

Rob- use a mirror.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I’m writing about the lives that gun owners saved in April.  Those articles will be up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog “only guns and money”

 

I have two blog posts of note that I’d like to highlight. The first was about Rev. Rob Schenk saying you can’t be pro-life and pro-gun. I disagree. The second was this morning and I confessed to being a liar. However, I lied when asked by my new internist’s medical office asst if there were any guns in the home. I said no because it was none of their business. Besides, I own firearms not guns so you could say that technically I didn’t lie.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 375 – Interviews with Larry Piekarski and Grant Cunnigham

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest  Larry Piekarski

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Grant Cunningham

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday April 28th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk about a gun buy-back event in Chicago, and a gun sell-back in Arizona

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with  Larry Piekarski about using SIRT pistols in training

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we also welcome back Grant Cunningham for an interview tonight.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU segment we talk about a DGU gone very wrong   .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 375 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I recorded another episode of SDGS.  Bloomberg wants my website, Everytown for Gun Safety.wordpress.com.  If there are lawyers in the house I want them to call me.  I was on lock and load radio with Bill Frady.

 

John – Barb and I will be taking off on Friday afternoon for the East Tennessee Bloggershoot held in Oak Ridge, TN. I have been busy assembling what firearms I want to take. The event is being organized by Dennis Badurina of Dragon Leatherworks. You may have seen some of his work on the TV shows NCIS and NCIS New Orleans. It will be fun to catch up with bloggers who I haven’t seen since the NRA Annual Meeting in Nashville.

 

Rachel – I went to the range TWICE! The second time, all the pistol bays were occupied with a Steel Challenge match. They let me jump in and shoot a stage. I had enough fun that I intend to go back next week for the whole thing.

 

A note for anyone attending the Republican Party of Texas state convention in Dallas in May: Conventions are chaotic and confusing. There are a few ways you can make an impact instead of wandering aimlessly and having no idea what’s happening. (1) Attend about 4 cycles (over 8 years) and eventually pick up on how it works.  (2) Tag along with someone you trust and do what they do. You’ll still never really figure it out but hopefully if they voted right then you did too. (3) Get some training ahead of time and get things done the first time (or, this time). I recommend Jeremy Blosser’s FANTASTIC training. Video link: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/85953256

 

Gary –

Friend of the show, Miggy wrote a blog post this week about some Oklahoma instructors encouraging the legislators to pass a bill requiring more firearm training. As John Lott has said training requirements and expensive permits most affect the people that are most likely to need a firearm to protect themselves.

 

Rob- Choose your own training and trainers.

 

Paul/Susan – Paul – shot some to prepare for the MAG 40 , Had a court date and things went VERY well

http://gogetfunding.com/fellow-advocate-needs-your-help/

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 

Obama Continues To Press Pro-Criminal Initiatives   (Charlie’s Rant) (News/ Editorial)

During these endless months of Obama’s Long Goodbye, our boyish President seems unconcerned with the faltering economy, imploding Obamacare, Islamic terrorism, or an incoherent Foreign Policy, but is focused on fundamentally transforming the criminal’s place in American society.

 

Obama has long ranted about the number of minorities in prison, blaming a racist society instead of the perpetrators. He blamed the police for the imbalance, and through the DOJ’s regulations created the Ferguson Effect and Fetal Policing. Now, Loretta Lynch’s DOJ is requiring judges to throw away the law when dealing with minority criminals.

 

His administration is working to force the mainstreaming of felons, allowing them federal jobs, unfettered housing access and pushing toward restored rights, despite the very real risks of these criminals. He’s pardoned hundreds of violent drug dealers and reduce the sentences of hundreds of thousands more. It does appear that criminals are Obama’s latest prized and protected demographic – at an obvious cost to law-abiding Americans.  

 

In his latest Saturday Weekly Address, Obama continued to champion the felons. Delivered in his usual condescending tone, da Prez lectured the nation on the unfairness of criminal justice system and again pushed the need to radically reform American society. As is his wont, he threw out several unsupported claims, misrepresented statistics, all leavened by a smattering of  bald-faced lies. A prime example is his declaration that  “We know that simply locking people up doesn’t make communities safer.” We certainly do NOT know that. His statement is shown to be a lie by decades of experience with targeted enforcement, mandated sentencing, three-strikes laws, and . It was a tour-de-force of every misguided policy from this administration.  

 

     As in all of Obama policies, the question is “Why?” It’s easy to see the racialist motive: the Democrat minority coalition is showing some deep fractures, and the long solid black and Latino vote is showing signs of straying. More insidious are the efforts to radically remake American society by undermining as many institutions as possible. Regardless, these policies will likely remake America in the image of Chicago, New York, Baltimore, Philadelphia and San Francisco where Progressive policies have already resulted in a crime riddled environment.  And if Obama and Hillary can disarm the nation as they want, our country could be a very dangerous place indeed.  

Stay armed – stay vigilant – stay capable. Now more than ever.        

 

Rob- President Obama supports any demographic group who predominantly votes democratic.  That is the Chicago way.  The president doesn’t mind breaking the law to do so.

John – We have seen the start of this in Virginia with Gov. Terry McAuliffe just pardoned 200,000 felons and restored their rights including voting.

Paul

Gary –

 

What if we had a well publicized gun buy-back program in Chicago.. And the criminals ignored it.  You see, criminals don’t’ get their guns from honest gun owners.  People who don’t shoot are the ones who turn in old 22 rifles in exchange for gift cards.  I’m sorry to burst your anti-gun bubble, but criminal don’t use 22 caliber bolt action rifles to commit crimes..but the boy scouts use them to teach gun safety to beginning shooters.  Which group are you disarming with a gun-buy back?

 

Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said “Many of the people who would come to a gun buy-back event aren’t the ones causing problems.”  We call that a firm grasp of the obvious.

 

Rob- Political theater to promote politicians!

John –

 

Meanwhile, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio was selling the guns he collected from criminals.  He then used the $140,000 in gun sales to buy ammunition for his volunteer posse.  Well, he bought some radios as well as nearly 500 cases of ammo in 9mm, .45, and .223.  The guns were sold to gun stores and from there to private purchasers.

 

Rob- See, no 40 cal.

 

Colorado Democrats Kill Repeal of Large Cap Mag Ban

 

There was hope that Colorado’s large or standard capacity magazine ban would be repealed. The Colorado Senate had voted to repeal the ban in mid-April. The bill then was sent to the House State, Veterans, and Military Affairs Committee which would have to approve it before it could go to the whole House of Representatives. Late on Monday night, this committee killed the bill on a party line vote. The committee is headed by Su Ryden who is also the House Majority Whip.

 

John – Ryden is now running for the State Senate. I wonder how much money she’ll get from Bloomberg for her campaign.

 

Long time publisher of gun magazines Harris Publishing shutting down

 

If you are in the checkout line at a convenience store or grocery store, or are perusing magazines to take aboard the next flight, you have probably looked over or bought a Harris Publications magazine. Some of the titles they publish are Combat Handguns, Guns and Weapons, Survivors Edge and Tactical Weapons among many others. Today they announced that they are shutting down as of April 29th. This is an unfortunate sign of the times as publishers everywhere are competing with the likes of blogs, YouTube and Podcasts. It is unfortunate that a large name in the gun world is shutting the doors.

 

John – It’s sad and it’s not sad. Publications like Recoil which is aimed at a younger audience seem to be doing well. Likewise, more narrowly tailored publications like Handloader, Rifle, and American Handgunner seem on solid footing. This announcement merely shows that the market works.

 

DOJ To Post “Smart Gun” Request for Comment Tomorrow

 

The Department of Justice is seeking public comments on their test procedures to “to determine whether the addition of a smart gun technology does or does not significantly reduce the reliability of the firearm system compared to existing firearms.” It will be posted to the Federal Register on Friday, April 29th and comments will close 45 days later. They are calling this the Gun Safety Technology Challenge.

 

John – My suggestion is just to follow the Four Rules. In the meantime, I think it is time for our listeners, especially those that are engineers, to submit comments. Rob, that means you!

 

Rob- Marketers lie.  Start with legislative security details and school resource officers where THEIR children go to school.  Start with LEOs.

 

John –

 

Gun Quotes  The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. – Thomas Jefferson

 

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4- Interview 1 –  Larry Piekarski

SIRT Pistols – Firearms Training at Gunsense.  SIRT training.  iMarksman system.

 

Larry, we recently had a conversation about using SIRT pistols in conjunction with training and you told us that you have some experience with that. How have you been using them?  NRA basic pistol.

 

Rob- Do you let your students move with the SIRT pistol?

 

Rob- Lasers are good for distance shooting at night.

 

5- Interview 2 – Grant Cunningham

 

Motorcycles and guns-

You don’t have a third hand to use a firearm when you’re on the road.  There is a lot of keyboard heroes who give bad advice.

Bikes have an advantage in acceleration, deceleration, maneuverability and size.

Suburbia offers you an advantage because a bike can create distance.  Pull into a gas station.  Distance is your defense.

Consider cross draw when you’re riding.. Or a fanny pack.

 

6- DGUs

 

Store Owner Fires a McLatchy, Causing Armed Robbers To Flee

The owner of Bridgeport, Connecticut minimart found himself staring down the barrels of two robbers. He returned the favor, with interest – causing the two thugs to flee for their lives.

Two masked and hooded men walked into the store with their guns already drawn. As they stepped inside, one even cocked his weapon. Before words could be exchanged, the store owner reached for his gun and fired a warning shot into the ceiling, sending the bandits stumbling outside. “How am I gonna be scared because when you do a business you’re not supposed to be scared of anything. You make a living,” said the owner, Mohamed Yasir. A licensed firearm holder confronted the suspects outside the store and shots were exchanged. Apparently, none of the shots connected with anything but the store’s window.

 

Yasir has been there before, he’s been robbed 8 times in 25 years. The last time was just four weeks ago. “I know they came to rob me, they came to shoot me or whatever but always you for to protect yourself. I got family to feed,” Yasir said. The resolute storeholder had already shot two assailants in the past.

 

Bridgeport Police Captain Brian Fitzgerald said; “We would like our victims or store clerks to just cooperate and hand them the money. But in this case, you have people coming into your store and they’re armed, you have a means to defend yourself, you believe your life is in immediate threat then obviously you have a right to defend yourself.”


While we commend store owner Yasir for his bravery, a warning shot while under the gun cannot be recommended. In that deadly situation, the first shot should have been aimed to stop the attack. And the passerby who injected himself into a situation that was rapidly ending was also foolhardy. If you don’t absolutely need to fire to save your life YOU. DON’T. NEED. TO. FIRE. Yasir might also want to think about a safer location for his business. Someday, he might not be so lucky.

Foresight and training, people. Get some.  

 

Rob- The gun stays in the holster until it needs to work.


Paul

Rachel- Texas penal code chapter 9, use of force – “A threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor’s purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.”

 

Jilted Lover Breaks Into Woman’s Home – And Gets Shot

Last week, we told you about an ex-boyfriend’s obsession that led to a crime spree of home-invasions, kidnapping, arson, interstate flight, multiple assaults, and an attempted murder that was finally ended by a good samaritan with a gun. This week, we bring you a similar story; however, one where the gun was used at the beginning – to a much happier end.   

A jilted Columbia, South Carolina area man decided to visit his ex-girlfriend very early one Sunday morning. He didn’t ring the doorbell; he broke in through a window. However, the intruder found that his former paramour and future victim had an… “acquaintance” staying with her. And that man was armed.

In defense of their lives, the replacement shot the invader in the upper body. The attack stopped almost before it had begun. Police arrived to take the ex to the local hospital, where his condition has not been disclosed. Investigators are trying to determine if there was domestic abuse in the former couple’s past.

The new boyfriend is not expected to face anything but praise for stopping this assault in the name of love.  

 

Rob- We’ve heard stories like this before.  Move on.

 

Three on One Home Invasion – Criminal Gets the Slug
Three thugs have been charged with armed home invasion and attempted murder. The trio fired several shots within the home, but it was the homeowner that landed his response.  

Just outside Youngsville, Louisiana, three thugs tried an early morning home invasion. They surprised a sleeping homeowner who was awake enough to hit one of the criminals in the exchange of gunfire. The suspects escaped to a hospital, where they were arrested by police. The one suspect’s wound was minor enough, and all three were charged with attempted second-degree murder in addition to aggravated burglary.

It should be noted that the homeowner’s firearm allowed him to survive a surprise home invasion by three armed and prepared thugs, winning his life against fearsome odds. Without the firearm, the homeowner would have been at the non-existent mercy of the three criminals; a clear validation of the need to be armed.

You listening, Hillary?  

 

Rob- Would that work in California where a firearm has to be locked when not in use?

Gary –

John – A Clinton utopia? Is that a new name for Hell?

Paul – Sleep inertia

Rachel- yes

 

One Suspect Dead, One Wounded in Home Invasion
An 80-year-old man shot two robbers who had forced their way into his home.  One of them was taken to the hospital, the other to the morgue.

The elderly gentleman opened his Fairmont, West Virginia door to a distraught young  woman pleading to use his phone in an emergency. His chivalry was abused when two unseen, black-clad accomplices forced the open door and threatened the man with a pistol. In that desperate situation, the homeowner pulled his own gun and shot the two suspects. Police arrived to find one man lying in the road with a gunshot to the face and neck. He was pronounced dead at the scene. His partner was found across the street suffering from an abdominal wound. The 23-year-old female shill escaped but was later captured by the police. Their pistol was found to be a realistic airsoft or BB gun.  

John Grossklaus, 28, will survive his injury. He has been charged with robbery, with many other charges to follow. He has also been booked for an earlier strong arm robbery that put the victim is the hospital. That earlier assault, in partnership with the deceased, occurred a mere 30 minutes before the home invasion. Unsurprisingly, the burglar, Grossklaus, has also been charged with parole violations. Whitney Kabiru, 23, was charged with robbery and conspiracy.

 

In their press release, police stated the homeowner had reason to believe that his use of force was necessary to defend himself against a perceived imminent use of unlawful deadly force. No charges are expected for elderly man.

We can certainly learn a lot from this encounter. The firearm allowed an elderly man to stand against two younger, more powerful, more violent men. On body carry allowed an immediate, lifesaving response. Wearing the gun even late in the night at home (POGO) kept a bad situation from becoming even worse. And finally, DON’T allow anyone you don’t have reason to trust access to your home – especially after midnight. The elderly gentleman’s civility could have cost him his life – except for the equalizer of his firearm.

 

Paul – I want to reiterate the on body carry importance

 

A Bad Shoot Will Likely Cost a Homeowner and Benefit a Criminal

Most of our DGUs usually feature stories where the victim uses a gun correctly to defend lives. We would be remiss if we didn’t also include instances where a firearm was used incorrectly, in this case to the detriment of the victim and the benefit of the criminal.     

 

In Portland, Indiana, a criminal convicted of burglarizing a garage is suing the homeowner who shot him. David McLaughlin, 33, fired at the thief running from his garage. One of the bullets hit David Bailey, 31, in the left arm as he ran down the alley. A Jay County Superior Court jury found McLaughlin guilty of criminal recklessness in the shooting of the fleeing suspect. He was sentenced to 60 days in jail, with four months of home detention. The criminal Bailey was given a sentence of only three-years home detention with no jail time.

Now, Bailey is suing homeowner McLaughlin for “serious and permanent damage” to his arm, asking for “a monetary award in an amount sufficient to compensate for all damages.”

 

The use of a firearm is a very serious business. In most states, self-defense is the ONLY reason deadly force can be allowed. Defense of property is seldom a sufficient reason. As a rule, only an immediate, credible, realistic threat to life or limb can justify a shooting. And if the encounter has ended, and the suspect is trying to escape, the armed citizen cannot fire. Adequate training, like Massad Ayoob’s MAG 40, would have informed the man of what he could — and most importantly must not — do. That training could have saved an honest man a jail sentence and having to give his money to a crook.  

 

Paul – Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it

Rob- You can’t let your emotions drive your trigger finger.  Training will teach you when not to stop.  Advanced practice will reinforce that decision.

Rachel- I’ve been told Texas law allows greater use of force (including deadly force) to protect property than any other state (or most others). Still, know the law and know what is worth deadly force to you. (http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm, subsection D)

Gary –

John – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

 

Rob- insurance

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Jake wrote in about Ham Radios

 

You guys briefly mentioned the Baofeng handheld radio last episode in the context of emergency preparedness.  As someone who recently got into ham radio for prepping purposes and who got a Baofeng, I wanted to elaborate on what you guys were saying a bit.

 

With handheld radios in general and the Baofeng in particular, you need to understand the limits of your equipment.  You will not be using this rig to talk to China, or even the next town over.  Your effective range with this unit is perhaps 3-6 miles, or around 40-80 miles if you are on high ground or talking to a repeater that has good line of sight, though this is all extremely dependent on terrain.  Still, the frequencies it can listen to are in common use by police and rescue units, and radios like this are often used in disaster scenarios.  It also can listen to FM radio and NOAA weather stations, which are very useful for natural disasters.

 

Regarding licensing, there is a specific exemption in the FCC rules that allows anyone to use any radio equipment if it is the best way to save someone’s life or safety, regardless of licensing.  That said, much like the DGU you discussed last week, you don’t want your first time using your emergency equipment to be during a crisis.  The Baofeng can be difficult to operate and program, and takes a lot more expertise than your little walkie-talkies you used as a kid.  Without a license, it is impossible to verify if you programmed the radio right, so while you can certainly listen, you won’t know if anyone can hear you talk until it’s too late.  The technician license to operate the Baofeng is very easy to get, though, and costs less than $20, so if you plan on using one for emergencies, PLEASE get a license and learn how to use it.  This has the side benefit of putting you in contact with other operators who can help you learn and maybe give you some suggestions as to your next step.

 

Keep up the good work,

Jake from Iowa

 

John – I agree. Get the license. I did – KJ4HTR or Kilo Juliet 4 Hotel Tango Romeo in Ham-speak. Ham Clubs will train you how to use your radio and radios in general. The American Radio Relay League and their members want to help.

Gary –

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-  I was sick this week.  So I’d lay in bed for a few hours and then post on my blog.  I wrote about honest New Yorkers having to bribe police in order to get a gun.  I wrote about government officials in the United States and in France saying they citizens should be disarmed and wait for help if they are attacked.  Those articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog-  slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog, only guns and money

 

Sorry to hear that you were sick! I posted a story on Saturday morning about actor Brad Pitt co-hosting an event for the Brady Campaign. This is the same Brad Pitt who gave Angelina Jolie a $400,000 indoor shooting range for their French chateau. This plus some earlier statements gave the misimpression that Mr. Pitt was “good” on guns. Actually, he believes in gun for him and none for you peasants. I’d say this makes him a hypocrite. While I hate to toot my own horn, my post was published 2-3 days before Breitbart and other sites picked up the story.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Larry Piekarski and Grant Cunningham for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.