Episode 371 Brussels Terror Attacks

 

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- News Segment

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday March 24th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the Muslim attacks in Brussels Belgium.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our Defensive Gun Use stories, a landscaper walked into a building to face an active murderer.. so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 371 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Carried every day. Got to meet with friend of the show, Doctor John Edeen.  Posted the next episode of Self Defense Gun Stories.  We had our 2000th download.

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

http://www.firearmsafetyinstitute.com/

 

Rob- Do you get requests for advanced training?

Rob- So the only time they will want a gun is when the police are not there?  That is too late.

 

Paul/Susan

http://gogetfunding.com/fellow-advocate-needs-your-help/

http://www.concealmentsolutions.com/

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Live promo – Concealment Solutions deal of the day.

 

2- News

 

Brussels Terrorist Attacks

Once again, citizens of Western civilization have felt the barbaric sting of Islamic terrorism. In Brussels, Belgium, the capital of the European Union, three or more powerful bombs ripped through airport check-in areas and a subway station. Thirty four people died and two hundred and fifty were injured, many of them seriously by the shrapnel loaded bombs. There is a possibility that the attacks specifically targeted Americans as the American embassy is near the subway station and the airport bombs were located near the counters of nation’s airlines. Families of American servicemen and missionaries were injured in the attack and there are still Americans among the missing. In an official release, ISIS quickly claimed credit for the rush-hour attacks. It is thought that two of the bomber remain at large and could be hiding in the many large Muslim enclaves throughout Europe.

The staff of the Polite Society Podcast certainly express our sincere condolences to the citizens of the many nations affected by the attacks. However, we must point out some harsh facts: The Muslim extremists responsible for the attacks were freely admitted and fostered by the leaders of the nation they turned on. The same leaders have been doing their very best to disarm their citizens, making them helpless in the face of the threats their leaders allowed. European politicians have created a danger that their ideology forbids responding to effectively. They have also ensured that their citizens cannot defend their lives in this de facto guerrilla war – and their governments can not or will not defend them. It will be the people that suffer – their leaders will most certainly escape what they have wrought.

As Americans, we must recognize the dangerous similarity to our situation. Our leaders are admitting a host of unverified refugees and have effectively opened our borders to all. At the time of the attacks, Obama was in Cuba, making nice to Communists who in saner times were listed as state sponsors of terrorism. He was quick to damn any call for additional actions against the hostile Islamic elements festering on American soil. And our political leaders on the left are certainly hostile to the arms that could defend the people against enemies foreign and domestic.   

This is one of the very reasons our Founding Fathers specifically acknowledged the right to keep and bear arms in the Constitution. And why we must fight so hard to maintain that right. Our elites may not – probably will not – be there for us.   

Rob- Muslim terrorists turned to using bombs once they faced guns from armed citizens.

 

England Puts Every Firearm Owner in a Terrorist Database
The British government demanded the personal details from every single person with access to firearms and put them in a database with known terrorists. All those with access to firearms have had their personal data transmitted to the police. The information is then run through the Police National Computer, local force intelligence databases, the Police National Database (to look up the history of properties associated with that person), and Special Branch’s records. There is no oversight of what happens to the personal data once it is in the police’s hands. More than 1 in 65 of the entire UK population is now on a state database alongside known terrorists.


This excess is the natural consequence of a surveillance society, where the law abiding are subject to ever increasing levels of examination and control. However, those outside the law, the criminals who are the actual problem, are relatively untouched. It is always far easier for the government to control those who do not need to be controlled. Think about that when yet another law is proposed to more tightly track and control the lawful firearm owner, ignoring the real threat.

 

Rob-

 

Professor Freaks Out When She Spots Guns

A professor at the University of North Dakota went into her safe space and panicked in fear when she spotted two figures in camouflaged uniforms with guns outside her classroom. Cowering beneath her desk, she called 911 —  and was told it was just ROTC cadets performing a scheduled exercise. Her relief turned to rage when informed the ROTC would be exercising on campus for the next couple of weeks .

 

In a rather overblown, poorly written letter to the editor, the associate professor of English said she’ll be “calling 911 for the next couple weeks—and I will. Every time. It’s not my job to decide whether people carrying guns at school are an actual threat.” The special snowflake called the ROTC’s actions highly inappropriate and irresponsible. She fumed that ‘We’re already under financial and emotional attack. We don’t need to feel under physical attack, too.”

 

If she does unnecessarily call 911 in the coming weeks, we hope UND authorities take appropriate action. Somehow, we doubt if they will.

 

Paul – This is funny, but incredibly sad. This woman is partially responsible for teaching our young people.

Rob- This behavior reveals a very immature adult.  I can’t condone her overwrought outrage masked by her academic credentials.

Gary –

 

Rob –

 

Throw to break at end of discussion

 

2nd News


Win For the Second Amendment and Non Gun Arms

In a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court has extended the Heller and McDonald decision to arms that are not firearms. In 2011, Jaime Caetano was convicted of having a stun gun in her purse. She was carrying the stun gun because an abusive ex-boyfriend had put her in the hospital and was continuing to harass her at her place of employment despite several restraining orders. The case made it to the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts, who ruled the conviction must stand because a stun gun is not the type of weapon that is eligible for Second Amendment protection. Massachusetts considered stun guns as dangerous and unusual modern weapons that were not in common use at the time of the Second Amendment enactment.

The Supreme Court’s 8-0 decision strongly rebuked the Massachusetts court for its flawed reasoning.  They ruled that judgment is inconsistent with Heller‘s clear statement that the Second Amendment extends to arms that were not in existence at the time of the founding. The Supreme Court vacated that judgment and ordered the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts to rehear the case.

 

In the strongly worded opinion signed by Justices Alito and Thomas states that “The Commonwealth of Massachusetts was either unable or unwilling to do what was necessary to protect Jaime Caetano, so she was forced to protect herself. To make matters worse, the Commonwealth chose to deploy its prosecutorial resources to prosecute and convict her of a criminal offense for arming herself with a nonlethal weapon that may well have saved her life. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court then affirmed her conviction on the flimsiest of grounds. According to author Alito, “If the fundamental right of self-defense does not protect Caetano, then the safety of all Americans is left to the mercy of state authorities who may be more concerned about disarming people than about keeping them safe.”

Well said, Justice Alito — well said.  

 

Rob- NY knife laws.

 

Supremes Decline to Hear Case on Carrying in Post Office
It’s not all good news from the US Supreme Court: a case challenging the US Postal Service’s ban on guns in their buildings and parking lots will not be heard by the Court. The Colorado case backed by the NRA, Firearms Owners Against Crime and Firearms Industry Consulting Group was denied, effectively making the parking lot ban the law of the land. It is now up to Congress to address this pressing issue.

 

Rob-  It is amazing that you can exercise your first amendment rights in a post office, but not your second amendment rights.  Not even in the parking lot.  Any you don’t have a choice but to use this government monopoly.

 

Obama’s Supreme Court Nominee Has Anti-Gun Rights Record

Judge Merrick Garland, nominated by Obama to fill the Supreme Court vacancy, apparently has a very weak record on the Second Amendment. In the past, he has upheld a Clinton administration effort to store gun-buyers’ records. He also attempted to reconsider the landmark case that would eventually become Heller, which eventually established the Second Amendment’s protection of a personal right to bear arms.

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Garland is probably the most anti-gun Supreme Court nomination in decades, according to  Brian Rogers, executive director of a conservative group conducting opposition research on the Judge. Other conservative groups are poring over Judge Garland’s 19-year record on the D.C. court and are saying he will likely take a decidedly liberal view on issues such as abortion, the environment and executive authority. The Wall Street Journal has opposed Garland’s nomination on the grounds that he is a friend of big labor and regulators, not small businesses.

It is important that supporters of the Second Amendment contact their US Senators and demand that Garland’s nomination not be acted upon. Urge them to stand on the same principles that Obama, Biden and Reid once espoused. It is essential that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell not be given the chance to roll-over once again.  

 

Gun Quotes

Every study on crime and or firearms proves time and time again, that 99.99999% of American gun owners do not commit crimes or use our firearms in any dangerous or improper way.

Ted Nugent

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use.

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3- Interview 1- not this week

 

4- Interview 2- not this week

 

5- DGUs

Saved by another employee– Joseph Curry drove up to the Jacksonville, Florida landscape company where he worked.  People were running from the building yelling that another employee was shooting people inside.  Curry got out of his car and stepped into the building with his gun.  That is when Curry met the armed attacker holding a pistol in his hands.  Evidently the attacker’s gun had jammed, and the attacker was heading outside to get a baseball bat from his truck.

 

Curry told the attacker to drop the gun.  The attacker saw Curry’s gun.  The attacker dropped his gun and ran. Curry let him go.   The attacker was arrested by police a few blocks away.

 

Rob- stopped mass murder?  No shots fired.  Hard to know where your shots might end up.

 

Thief is Shot And Killed – Relatives Defend Him:  How’s he gonna get his money?
This story is an unfortunate commentary on our society: a young thief lost his life burglarizing a home and his relatives were quick to justifying his actions, asking how he’s gonna get his money?  

A 53-year-old woman was alerted to a home break-in by her security system. Arriving before the cops, she saw Trevon Johnson, 17, climbing from the rear of her house. An altercation ensued, and the licensed concealed carrier shot and killed the alleged thief. Police said the homeowner was taken to a police station for questioning and is cooperating with detectives.

 

The shooting has been divisive in the community. Johnson’s relatives were very vocal in their defense of his actions. His cousin Nautika Harris said, “He was not supposed to die like this. He had a future ahead of him. Trevon had goals… “What’s wrong with her,” demanded Johnson’s sister Nisha Johnson. “She did not have to shoot him.” “You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood,” said Harris. “You have to understand… how he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school?” Expressing similar sentiments, the Washington Post published an article all but demanding her arrest.  The article incorrectly compared Johnson’s shooting to the Trayvon Martin shooting.

The state’s attorney’s office must now decide if it will file charges against the homeowner. Florida does provide protections for its homeowners who confront intruders.  

It’s a sad situation all around. We remind our listeners that a self-defense shooting is just that; it’s not acceptable to shoot to defend property. However, the homeowner may well have been justified if the burglar made a threatening move toward her. However, the local social norms are damning her regardless of the actual situation. We must all be aware of these dynamics.    

 

Seeking Revenge, an Intruder Gets Only a Bullet

Seeking revenge on his old lover, a man broke into a Macon, Georgia area home.  However, he only got a bullet. Police found the woman’s brother in the backyard pointing a gun at a prone man dressed in all black. Blake Elliot Herman, 34, had entered the home using a key possibly stolen from the woman’s purse. The brother heard a noise from his sister’s room; opening the door he saw a man in the doorway. The two fought and Herman broke free, running out of the backdoor with the brother on his heels. During the chase, the brother claims Herman reached into his pocket. Thinking the man held a gun, he fired in fear of his life.

The man in black was hit in the leg. Herman will be charged with burglary when he is released from the hospital. The brother was not injured and no one else was at home.  

Brother With Gun: 1 — Jilted Ninja: 0

 

Rob- Why do you chase a fleeing suspect?

Teen burglars greeted by gunfire Near Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
Four teenaged burglars entered a Pittsburgh Pennsylvania area home late one night. Two of the thieves were shot by the man living in the house. This being the 21st Century, the occupant and one of the thieves immediately posted about the altercation on Facebook.

A wounded 13-year-old suspect was found a half mile away, collapsed and bleeding. The other wounded 16-year-old suspect was found nearby. Their two similarly aged accomplices escaped, but returned to the scene to watch the police and were arrested there. One of those cherubs posted a live Facebook video from the back of a police cruiser where he was heard insulting police and talking about how the others were shot. Not to be outdone, the 21-year-old burglary victim posted on Facebook “Thank God for the right to bear arms” and “I kept my house safe” and “took all six shots out of my little .380 to keep my family safe.”  The four young idiots were taken to a juvenile detention facility. The 21-year-old resident hasn’t been charged. Police say he may have had a right to defend himself under the state’s Castle Doctrine.

Training, people; get some. It may save you from doing, saying, or, dog forbid, posting something stupid.  

A Baylor student loses only his cellphone, a PlayStation and an iPad
In another of our Cavalcade of Idiots, a Baylor University student was extremely lucky to lose only his cellphone, PlayStation and iPad. He met two men to finish a Craigslist deal to sell his electronics. The two told him they needed to go to a nearby home to get the money for the purchase. Driving to a house in the student’s car, the two drew guns when the trunk was opened to display the merchandise. Somehow having the foresight to have secreted a gun in the trunk, the student drew and forced the thieves to run off with their loot of electronics. One thief turned and fired, hitting the car. Waco and Baylor officers were still searching for the two suspects.

Brains, people; get some.

Rob- This student may have been disarmed because he lived in a gun free zone on his college campus.

 

Woman Saves Her Life With a .357

JoShanda Odems heard an insistent knocking on her Nashville area apartment door shortly before noon. Smartly using only the peephole, she saw a man she did not recognize. She retreated to a bedroom closet and called 911. She also grabbed a .357 revolver, an act that just may have saved her life.  

The man broke into the apartment, and when he came to the closet where Odems was hiding, she put the 911 operator on hold — and shot the intruder. Trenton Hartman, 24, showed up at a local hospital sporting a probably really impressive gunshot wound to his shoulder.  Hartman has been charged with aggravated burglary, with a bond set at $100,000. He was already free on bond for a felony theft charge involving stolen lottery tickets.

 

Gee, Shannon Watts, do you think that gun might have empowered that woman – and saved her life?  

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Before we get to the email discussion, I want to ask a few things. First PLEASE keep emailing, calling, and texting! The email address is onair@politicsandguns.com. The Phone number to text or call to leave a voicemail is 605-215-1438. We really do need more feedback. It has been 2 weeks since we recorded last and we only have a few emails and no voice mail or texts. I often say kiddingly that I will read spaghetti recipes if we don’t have listener feedback well guess what? (rattle some paper) I have some ready!

 

Also please if you want your email read on the air email it to onair@politicsandguns.com, not to Paul. I get a TON of email every day, and I do try to go through it when I am working on show notes and see if there were any that are supposed to be read on the air, but the chances of me missing it is really good.

 

Finally it came up in a recent show where I asked how many grains were in a chevy. A friend texted me and told me that if you had a large compact or small mid sized sedan (4500 lbs) that you are driving about 31.5 million grains of automobile.

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Comment off of the website

 

Thanks for the show. Great info, as usual.

As to the gentleman who commented about not being able to draw his weapon while riding his motorcycle; Paul was pretty spot on… at that point evasion is your best bet. As a rider, you must always be in the “defensive” mindset. Even the smallest car is several times your mass, and has a hard candy shell to boot. Irritating another driver is a very good way to get an up close and painful demonstration of several immutable laws of physics.

I have been riding for many years, and shooting for many more, but I cannot foresee a time when one would ever have to defend oneself while motoring down the road on a bike. Your assailant would merely have to wait until you put yourself in a ditch while trying to steer, aim and fire.

For that matter, I cannot imagine a good reason to do so in a car, either.

Be careful out there,

God Bless,

Ed

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/100193390-story

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Jake from Iowa wrote in:

 

I just wanted to share with you guys my own excitement over a resounding legislative win in Iowa.  Iowa Senate recently passed HF2279, a suppressor legalization bill that also mandates a CLEO sign-off if a candidate is not prohibited from possessing a firearm.  It passed by an incredible 46-4 margin, and when it was passed by the house some time ago, it passed by a similarly impressive 74-24 margin.  It’s not officially law yet, but soon it’s off to the governor to sign, and there are indications that he will sign it, so I’m optimistic!

 

I’m also wondering if any of the cast are also buying an AR or two now that the prices are back down – I recently found an irresistible deal on a little 16″ carbine, and I have it well set-up with a free-float handguard, Vortex Sparc II red-dot, and Magpul MBUS sights, and the whole setup will be brand new and under $900, which is pretty hard to beat.  I’m skeptical they’ll ever get much lower than they are now, so I’m gonna build my dream gun (or guns) now!

 

Enjoying the show as always,

– Jake from Iowa

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Jerry wrote in again:

 

Thank you for addressing my question on appendix carry.

 

We always talk about shooting your carry ammo. Last week I shot several rounds of my carry 9 mm hollow point and found that they often fail to feed in my Glock 19 when the magazine is nearly empty or the slide lock is released. The bullet hangs up on the feed ramp due the the angle of the follower. A little Internet research suggests that the 10 round magazines with a follower stamped “2183” are known to have a feed problem, especially with hollow point cartridges. New followers are less than $4 and perhaps can be obtained free from Glock.

 

For years my Glock ate everything jacketed I fed it without complaints. From now on I will periodically shoot my carry ammo, and at least a full magazine each time. Fortunately I found the problem at the range not on the street. I’m guessing the click of an unexpectedly empty chamber is one of the loudest sounds a gun makes.

 

Thanks!

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?8902-how-bad-do-10-round-glock-19-magazines-suck/page3

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Pat sent the next one:

 

Hello all,

 

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Check out www.votesmart.org.

Really like the podcasts, in particular the news and DGU segments.  I had the pleasure of meeting Charlie Foxtrot at a Patriots Day Appleseed event in Missouri.  He really can turn a phrase.

I am very much looking forward to attending the MAG40 this May in Sioux Falls.  I hope that I will get a chance to meet in person a few of the people I listen to each week.

Pat

 

I wrote about rating sites here-

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/21/it-takes-minutes-to-judge-the-candidates/

Paul – www.wallbuilders.org

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Ida sent in our final email/

 

How can I find local beginner training in Georgia?  I occasionally go to a great Gun range, Governors Club, but I can’t find training like the courses you talk about.  It seems they are all out of state which is not an option for me.  Seems crazy I can’t find training when it seems just about everyone has a gun out here in the country.

Thanks

Ida

http://www.nrainstructors.org/search.aspx

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Rob- ?? http://www.usacarry.com/directory/category/firearm-instructors/georgia-firearm-instructors/

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote how California laws target honest gun owners  That and more are posted at Clash Daily, on  Ammoland and on my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2016/03/hydraulic-tests.html

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 370 – West Virginia Gets Permitless Carry

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/370.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment Kieth Morgan WVCDL:

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, March 10th, 2016. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Keith Morgan from the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Bloomberg’s decision not to run for President.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and West Virginia has constitutional carry.. again.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s an 8 year old calls his dad.. to report a robbery in progress.. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 370 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- carried every day.  Made political donations, including SAF and CPRC.

 

John – I have been fighting a cold since last week. Today was the first day I actually met with clients again. I hope my voice will survive the podcast!

 

I did encourage a client this morning who wants to get both into target shooting and get his NC CHP. In the healthcare field you have to be so careful about what you say given the number of anti’s so it is a relief when a client says the right “code words” and you can discuss handgun options for a new(er) shooter.

 

Rachel

  • back’s better, groups are worse. Really glad for a great instructor who figured stuff out over email.
  • Texas Law Shield seminar at Cabela’s in Buda….2nd Tuesday of every month, 6:30-8:30. Free legal advice!
  • LTC classes – Waco March 20, Austin March 26. Also doing private coaching.

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

 

Paul/Susan – Susan and I went out shooting subcompacts to see what she wants for her next carry gun.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News

 

Bloomberg Will Not Run For President
In a rare moment of lucidity, anti-gun gadfly Michael “Big Gulp” Bloomberg has indeed gulped and decided he will not run for president. His aides predicted a Bloomberg independent ticket could only be competitive on the Left Coast, Florida and the North East. Writing in his Bloomberg View opinion website, he lamented that even if he won the most popular votes (as if that was even remotely possible), he could not win the necessary electoral college votes. The once self-described Republican New Yorker (sound familiar?) stated “There is a good chance that my candidacy could lead to the election of Donald Trump or Senator Ted Cruz. That is not a risk I can take in

 

good conscience.” Unfortunately, he seems quite willing to risk a Hillary presidency.  

 

It should be noted that Bloomberg’s presidential pronouncements were remarkably free of his usual anti-gun rantings. Perhaps ‘iz ‘oner has grasped that the anti-gun stance is a losing one, even as he urges others to preach gun-control. It does seem very likely that Bloomberg will continue to try to influence the elections through his financing of anti-gun candidates and platforms. We can only wish him continued failure.  

 

Paul : Bloomie looked at a bit of history and realised that he didn’t want to be Ross Perot and this time hand the presidency to the Republicans. Look for this to be a bit soon should Hillary actually be indicted.

 

John – I prefer to think of him as the Ralph Nader of year 2016. Nader took just enough votes away from Al Gore in certain states that George W. Bush won. Of course, Gore’s pro-gun control stance didn’t help either.

 

Rob- Hillary will not be indicted.

 

West Virginia Will Have Constitutional Carry!

The West Virginia legislature wasted no time in overriding Governor Tomblin’s veto of the Constitutional Carry bill. In a combined 87-44 vote, the legislators overwhelmingly supported the very popular permitless carry bill, far exceeding the simple majority required. The bill will now become law in 90 days. Then, West Virginia will become the 8th Constitutional Carry state.

The Democrat governor and many of the state’s law enforcement officials cried big crocodile tears over the lack of weapons training in the bill. The media tried to hype the fear of untrained civilians and predicted the usual rivers of blood in the streets. The public and the legislators obviously looked at the peaceful record of the seven preceding Constitutional Carry states, and rejected those alarmist fears. Acknowledging the desirability of training, the bill authorizes a $50 tax credit for anyone getting permit type training. The bill also increased the criminal penalties for using a gun and for felons in possession of a firearm. Sounds like a great, hardheaded and effective anti-crime bill to us.  

We congratulate the citizens of West Virginia!

 


Paul – West Virginia has firearms preemption laws.  The state does not have arms preemption laws.  That means cities can make up laws and arrest you for your pocket knife.  New bills are in the West Virginia legislature to protect honest knife owners.

 

Rob- it isn’t the knife laws alone, it is also the enhanced sentencing you might receive if you have a knife in your possession.  Suppose you went out with friends so you deliberately left your gun at home.  The designated driver is sober, but a frustrated policeman says one of the passengers was carrying a knife, “a lethal weapon” while intoxicated.  Unfortunately, we’ve seen too many police departments fishing for cash on the backs of honest citizens.

 

Rachel- Governor Earl Ray Tomblin issued a statement expressing unfounded concern for law enforcement safety. He doesn’t seem to prioritize rights or safety of citizens.

 

John – According to the American Knife and Tool Institute, the WV law will allow you to carry a knife open or concealed IF you are 21 or above but like Paul & Rob say, local knife laws are a problem.. They are also working on a Federal law entitled the Knife Owner’s Protection Act which would also transport of knives between jurisdictions where they are legal to own. It would work similar to the way the FOPA *should* work.

 

MICHIGAN FORCES NEW OBLIGATIONS ON FIREARMS OWNERS

Michigan senator Coleman Young II (the second) introduced a bill demanding that gun owners carry 100 thousand dollars in liability insurance. The bill excludes all public officials like mayors, city councils, police officers, deputies, probation officers, wardens, bailiffs, judges, prison guards, animal control officers, and even meter readers.  It also exempts legislative security details, both on the job and off. The bill also establishes a new tax on gun owners who pay the insurance fee.

Rob= The liability insurance is specific to Michigan, so your nationwide self-defense policy doesn’t count.  This is also another fine that will be charged to out of state gun owners if they are stopped by the Michigan police.  Legislators make laws for them and separate laws that apply to us.  

 

(A Little) Rationality in California

Even in the fever-pit of California, reason can sometimes rear its beautiful head. The Folsom Cordova Unified School District has admitted that certain, select staff members are allowed to possess guns on campus. As the superintendent stated; “The safety of our students, staff, and families is our number one priority, and our narrow practice of allowing select, law-abiding employees to securely store and access a firearm in the event of an emergency is a legal and appropriate safety measure given the unfortunate reality of violence in our society today.” The approved staff are checked and trained to a higher standard than the state’s CCW carriers.  

 

This ability to effectively defend the children has been in place for six years without a problem. It remains to be seen if such an intelligent policy will be allowed to remain in California “education” system.  

 

Rob- Folsom is near Sacramento.. And miles away.

 

Ohio Sheriff says put armed staff and officers on campus-  A 14 year old boy brought a gun to school and injured two students.  That is certainly a sad event.  What is remarkable is the response by Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones.  The Sheriff said,  “You’d better have a school resource officer in your schools. If you don’t…parents, you should demand it. Teachers, you should demand it. …You’d better have armed security in the schools. My school resource officer was there and prevented this from being worse, since the kid ran out the door as soon as the resource officer arrived. He didn’t stay in and keep shooting.”

 

Rachel-If one armed resource officer is good, multiple armed, prepared, responsible teachers and staff are even better in the quest to keep our children safe.

Rob- Amen!

 

Gun Quotes-  The greatest danger to American Freedom is a government that ignores the constitution- Thomas Jefferson

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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3- Interview 1

Keith Morgan, President, WV Citizens Defense League

 

-Tell us about your good news!

Constitutional Carry effective June 5 for anyone 21 and over who is not prohibited from firearms possession. Prohibited places include schools. Private property owners may ask you to leave;

-What do WV residents (and travelers) need to know about the Constitutional Carry in WV?

Started in 2007 as response to

-What were carry laws before WVCDL and what have your members accomplished?

Passed 15 laws since 2013 – open carry in woods; statewide preemption; Constitutional Carry

– What were the obstacles this session?

5 lies repeated in media: start preemptively countering these in your state.

    • Officer Safety. Officer training teaches officers to assume citizens are carrying. CC may guard against complacency which gets officers killed.
    • “They’re gonna let anybody carry a gun.” Drug dealers, domestic abusers, etc. are still prohibited from possession and thus prohibited from legal carry
    • “Training requirements saves lives.” Compare data on negligent and accidental shootings. Differences are negligible per CDC data

 

  • Abolishing the licensing system. License remains in place and an option.
  • We already have open carry, so why do we need constitutional carry.

 

Biggest opposition was from WV sheriffs.  The sheriffs use the license fees as a slush fund.

 (Sounds like Florida.) Or North Carolina with pistol purchase permits.

– What elected officials do we need to thank? Leadership. Senator Bill Cole, Charlie Trump, Tim Armstead, Josh Nelson

 

– What’s next?

 

4-

 

5- DGUs

 

1- Home invasion Birmingham Alabama  An 8 year old boy named DJ arrived home a few minutes early from school.  DJ let himself in the house.  A few minutes later, DJ heard three young men trying to get in the house through the front door.  DJ ran upstairs.  He also hid under his bed, called his dad, and then called police.  DJ’s dad usually meets him when he comes home from school, so his dad was already on the way home when he got DJ’s call.

 

The father was already armed when he arrived home.  The homeowner found three young men in their 20’s inside his home.  He shot one of them and the other two escaped.  Police arrived moments later.

 

Chief Deputy Randy Christian of birmingham ala. said “ There are.. activities in this life that increase your chances of losing yours. Kicking in a door and entering someone’s home with criminal intent is one of them. Thank God this little boy and his dad are ok.”  The couple lived in the home for 10 years.  Now their son wants to move.

 

Rob- Fire exit from upstairs?

 

2-Realtor meets thieves in an unoccupied  home.  A realtor in Nashville, Tennessee was looking for a home to buy.  He and his wife entered this newly built home.. to find out that they were not alone.  Two men had pried open the back door and were ransacking the upstairs.  

 

The realtor put his hand on his gun, but did not draw it.  That was when a thief with gang tattoos on his neck and hands came down stairs.  The husband and wife made small talk and said they were going to look at the back yard.

 

That is where the realtor called police.  The two thieves had left by the time police arrived.  The officer said that many of the new homes had been broken into.

 

Elderly couple attacked by two men in their 20s– It was a little after 8:30 in the evening.  A 65 year old man and his wife were walking home from their business in the Queen Village neighborhood of Philadelphia.  The couple had lived there for 40 years.  They passed two young men on their walk.  One of the men said “What are you looking at?”  The couple stepped back, but moments later the two young men attacked them.  The old man was knocked down and kicked.  The old woman was hit as well.  From the ground, the old man drew his licensed firearm and shot his two attackers.

 

The elderly man was taken to the hospital with cuts and bruises on his face, head, neck and chest.  The two young men went to the hospital with gunshot wounds and are in stable condition.

 

Rob- It is hard to present a gun when you’re laying on your back.

 

John – Violent criminal actors can be set off by virtually anything. In this case, one of the young men thought he was justified in attacking as he was “dissed”.

 

Paul – Kathy Jackson complacency post

 

Robbed at a corner store in downtown Philadelphia.  This second story also happened in Philadelphia.  A driver and his passenger stopped their car at a corner convenience store at 5:30 in the evening.  The driver was first approached by a man selling drugs.  The driver ignored the seller, and the seller went away.  A group of men then moved toward the car and surrounded the vehicle.  One of the group lay across the hood of the car.   A man opened the car door from the outside.  The driver saw he had a gun tucked into his waistband.  The driver then presented his own firearm and shot the intruder.  The two people in the car drove away, called police, and returned to the scene.  They met uniformed police and told them what happened.  The driver has a permit to legally carry a firearm.  The intruder was shot four times, twice in each leg.

 

Rob- selling drugs is called a clue.

 

Robber shot after failed home invasion  A couple heard a man pound on their front door just after midnight.  The visitor claimed he needed help and needed to use the phone.  Once the couple opened their front door, the stranger pushed his way into the home and presented his firearm.  The intruder gathered items to steal while he held the young man and women who lived in the home at gunpoint.  The robber moved them from room to room, and the male homeowner picked up his own gun.  The homeowner shot the robber.  The robber ran outside.

 

There were several recent robberies in the area by a man who fit this physical description.

Family shoots and kills escaped murderer holding them hostage

Forgive us if this sounds like the plot to a bad TV movie, but a mother and father shot and killed an escaped murder suspect holding them and their child hostage.  The Vicksburg-area family’s nightmare started early in the morning when the man was surprised at his car by Rafael McCloud, 34. McCloud had been running from the law for more than a week after escaping from the Warren County Jail, where he was being held as a capital murder suspect. He had put a jailhouse shank to the throat of a guard to make his escape.  

 

It seems the same shank was used to force the fleeing felon’s way into the house, where he tied up the man and his wife – and then stabbed the man and repeatedly struck the woman on the head. The man got free and then opened fire along with his wife, hitting and killing McCloud.  The husband was taken to the hospital with minor injuries, his wife and child were uninjured.  

 

McCloud was in jail on suspicion in the 2015 death of Sharon Wilson, 69. He had been indicted on charges of capital murder, sexual battery, rape, arson, home invasion, being a felon in possession of a firearm and grand larceny auto theft. Wilson’s body was found by ghost hunters at the abandoned Kuhn Hospital in Vicksburg.

 

There are some very bad people out there. Stay alert – stay armed – and stay dangerous.

 

Boy Carjacker Shot

In North Miami Beach, a boy barely in his teens played an adult game and paid an adult price. The alleged criminal was one of four youths that approached a car stopped at a light in the midnight hour. The passenger saw a revolver in a thug’s hands and fired two shots through the car’s closed window. The boy was hit in the abdomen and was airlifted to a hospital emergency room. He is expected to survive. His accomplices ran away.

The woman driver wisely moved the car a short distance away, the police were called, and the pair remained near the scene awaiting the authorities. Police found the boy, said to be a runaway, still lying on the pavement. When he recovers, he will be charged with attempted carjacking with a firearm. The passenger is not expected to be charged. Detectives said he was afraid for his life and was protecting himself and his girlfriend.

It may seem unjustly harsh to shoot a mere boy, but once that boy had decided on a dangerous criminal act, the boy’s age became irrelevant. He chose to commit an adult crime and therefore risk the adult consequences. We do hope that the bullet hole becomes a turning point in his life.  

 

John – In the great line from My Cousin Vinny, “these yutes”.

Rachel- This is the kind of scenario we need to think through before it happens. If our lives were being threatened by a young teen, and deadly force is legally justified, what is morally justifiable in our own personal codes? You don’t want to hesitate in a life or death situation because you haven’t considered something this important.

John – Rachel brings up great points. Many drug dealers use 13-14 year olds because they will be tried in the juvie system.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Text message #1 and #2

 

i@x0* @Ref 368 lol did I just hear someone blow their nose? Today’s Sesame Street was brought to you by the word mute.

I will be buying the book, I have a niece

i@x0*!@ that has told her dad she wants to carry concealed by her 21st birthday. This will supplement the cornered cat blog, and Massad’s book

Oh forgot this Chuck from kansas

 

Absolutely you can use a tool bag, very durable, love my TUFF bag.

Chuck from Kansas

 

CF – I use a 10 dollar Husky tool bag from Home Despot. It’s lasted alot longer than my high dollar Midway range bag. Although, it’s sadly lacking in Tacticool. But then again, so am I.  

 

Text Message #3

Hey guys and gals I enjoy your show. 1st questions is what grain 9m ammo do you suggest for self defense?

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mm

 

  1. I have been shopping around for self defense coverage but there are a lot pick from. What I’m not interested in are the ones that will reimburse you. Other than Armed Citizens Defense League I heard one of the co-host on a past show mention he had CCW Safe. How has that worked out for him?

 

Thanks

JP

 

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This week’s email

 

Hi everyone,

I am looking for some advice on adopting the motorcycle life without hurting my pewpew life!
I bought a bike over the winter but have not yet purchased any protective riding gear. Have any advice or know a resource for best ways to carry while on a bike and with gear on? I’m not afraid to open carry; unless it’s raining!

I’ve been carrying a gun for about five years now and am a big fan of OWB strong side holsters with a thumb break.

Follow up discussion:
It was also recently brought to my attention that I wouldn’t be able to use the gun in my right hand while holding the accelerator since it is on the right side of the handlebars. This could be a major concern if I were to become a mobile DGU on the open road. I guess that means I need to practice left hand use for riding? I appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks again for everything you all do for us.
-Clayton

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We have a comment off of our website we would like to share as well.

 

I’m a week behind on this comment but at nearly 3 hours(!) it took me a while to get through this whole podcast. Another very educational show and worth the time investment.

A couple of thoughts inspired by the Kathy Jackson interview. In terms of the importance of gun trainers being good communicators, SHE PRACTICES WHAT SHE PREACHES!!! I saw her one time live, at the Tactical Conference in Memphis, and she gave not just the best presentation there, but one of the best presentations I’ve ever heard anywhere. Unfortunately, it has been in gun classes that I have been subjected to some of the worst presentations also. So people in the gun training industry or community should take her advice.

Speaking of the gun training industry, the idea of certifying gun trainers is an interesting one. We see Kathy Jackson doing it, the Second Amendment Foundation has established a training arm, the Association of Defensive Shooting Instructors, the National Association of Certified Firearms Instructors, the USCCA. These are all interesting responses to the proliferation of gun trainers and training, the public’s desire to know that their trainers know what they are talking about, and the gun training industry’s desire to regulate itself beyond what the NRA does. If y’all have any thoughts about this development in firearms training, I’d be interested in hearing them. (Or if you’ve already discussed, can you reference the episode?)

 

http://bearingarms.com/crybully-james-yeager-responds-tactical-response-negligent-discharge/

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I reposted an article by Travis Beck.  He wrote about teaching your children about firearms.  I also posted the first four episodes of the Self-Defense Gun Stories podcast.  625 downloads.  Now I have to find a few thousand more listeners.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John- Nothing major this week. I have a few new posts up which can be found at  only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Keith Morgan for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

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Episode 369 – West Virginia Might Get Permitless Carry

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/369.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Dianna Muller

4 – Rachel’s Rant

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, March 3, 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Dianna Muller about the DC Project.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Chris Christie’s endorsement of The Donald.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and I’m going to preach a little sermon about staying safe.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a home invader picked the wrong doggie door .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 369 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Carried every day.  Joined a local gun club so I can shoot outdoors.  Got a new gun bag.. with a Sears Craftsman label.  Started a new podcast called self-defense gun stories.

 

John – Just got home late last night from a two day conference in Baltimore. The hotel where we stayed was the scene of some of the rioting last year. Of course, being Maryland, I was not allowed to be armed. I was not the only one disturbed by that. I spoke to a fellow advisor from NH who felt naked being unarmed. I had struck up a conversation with him because he had had a long pony tail which made him stick out from the rest of the button down types.

 

Barb and I will be early voting on Saturday. The NC Primary is March 15th. I plan to vote for the most pro-gun candidates and that includes Ted Cruz.-

Gary-

Rob-

Rachel

  • I have a question and need a solution. Back pain from recoil???
  • .22 is still fine and fun. I saw progress in one training session.
  • voted. Lots of good things happened in Texas – not so much because people showed up and voted for the right people, but because a few faithful people have worked very hard for a long time to set the framework.

Recoil pad on the gun butt?

Rob- Gary and Rachel, more than 2.8 million Republican ballots were cast in Texas, approximately double the 2012 Republican primary total of 1.4 million.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Rob- Do you get referrals from the NRA instructor site?

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 


The Unbearable Heaviness of Being Chris Christie
Far be it for us to comment on the ongoing presidential primaries, but did you see the anti-gun governor of one of the most anti-gun states standing behind the front runner? Yes, that was former candidate Chris P. Kreme Christie placed in the background like a cigar store indian. He waivered about behind the spotlight while his eyes silently screamed. Christie was undoubtedly seeing his political career going down in fat-fueled flames. Being the failed soon-to-be ex-governor of Joisey is hardly a political resume enhancer.

The web is abuzz with snark, one of our favorites being the Washington Post’s merciless mocking of Christie’s thousand-mile stare.

It’s impossible for us not to gloat over the anti-gun politician’s discomfort; after all, Schadenfreude is a dish best served fresh and hot!

 

Rob- New Jersey Governor Chris Christie suspended his campaign.

Paul – Birds of a feather flock together. Christie wasn’t really for upholding our rights, neither is Trump.


West Virginia Constitutional Carry Bill on Governor’s Desk
The West Virginia legislature has placed a Constitutional carry bill on the governor’s desk, and did so emphatically, with a veto proof majority. Governor Tomblin received a similar measure last year, but vetoed it after the legislature had adjourned for the year. Learning from prior mistakes, the bill was passed well before the end of the legislative session. So this year, West Virginia law ensures that any veto will need to come well before the legislature is slated to adjourn, leaving plenty of time for simple majorities in both houses to override the governor. As the bill was passed with overwhelming margins, overriding the threatened veto should not be an issue.  

Congratulations to West Virginia! And a tip to the media — blood will NOT run in the streets.  

 

Rob- Governor Tomblin vetoed the bill.. for the second year in a row.  Now the legislature can overturn the veto.  I guess Tomblin is beholding to Bloomberg.

Rachel yes. A win for WV is a win for Texas. It helps us.

is that 6 or 7?

 

Sales records set again in February.  We see firearms sales records set month after month.  There are seasonal fluctuations in gun sales, with a large surge at Christmas.  Yet each month sets a new record for the largest number of background checks in that month.  February continued this trend that stretches back for the last 14 months.  This record breaking February saw a little over two and a half million background checks submitted to the the FBI.

 

Welcome to the brotherhood of the spiral tube.

 

CF- Well said. We’ll need to actively welcome our new friends, so they can quickly become safe, responsible and active members in the fellowship of the firearm. That’s one of the best ways to ensure our rights for the long run.   

Rob-

 

North Carolina County Illegally Holding Gun Permits

Martin Luther King spoke the truth when he said a right delayed is a right denied. In the North Carolina county of Mecklenburg, citizen’s rights are being denied wholesale.

With the above noted record increase in gun sales, and a new law requiring mental health checks on all applicants instead of just a few, the wait for gun permits is now six to seven weeks, and may soon balloon to six months. The law requires a record search for any mental health incident in the prospective gun owner’s past. Clerks have to painfully search microfiche, compact disks, and even paper logs. And they must do that for 2500 permit requests per month – with no additional resources. The result is all too predictable: a collapse of the system.    

The law specifically gives North Carolina’s sheriffs only 14 days days to approve or deny a permit.  However, Sheriff Irwin Carmichael of Mecklenburg County, has chosen to break the law and hold all permits until the mental health evaluation finally completes; illegally delaying the permit by months. It’s hard to consider this as anything but a blatant abridgement of the citizen’s Second Amendment rights.  

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We would like to remind the sheriff of Mecklenburg County that this type of feel-good legislation is usually nothing more than an expensive, useless law; accomplishing little if anything. And it comes at a significant cost to the rights of the many, perhaps even the ultimate cost if the means for self-defense are not available. The unfortunate citizens of Mecklenburg County and North Carolina as a whole should remind their elected officials of their rights via the courts and the ballot boxes. We wish them well.    

 

John – These are pistol permits – long guns don’t require a permit. Mecklenburg isn’t just some small rural county. It is the largest in the state and the 47th largest in the US. IF the Democrats and some Republicans in the General Assembly had not kow-towed to an unholy alliance of gun control groups and the NC Sheriffs Association, we’d have been rid of this racist, Jim Crow-era law.

 

Rob- A recent poll in North Carolina said it was more important to respect the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms than to restrict firearms ownership in the name of stopping criminals from getting guns.  The police are not listening.

 

San Bernardino county is scheduling firearms interviews out 18 months.

Paul Carol Bowne  

Gary

Rob-  It would be great if we really had an AG.
John – These permits are good for 5 years. The Charlotte Observer found approximately 60 felons possessing these permits who had used them to purchase a firearm since it substitutes for a NICS check.

 

Some of DC’s Onerous Gun Control Efforts Struck Down
In Washington DC, citizen Dick Heller and his legal team have again won a victory over the city’s draconian anti-gun laws. The DC Circuit Court has declined to rehear the case challenging some of the District’s oppressive gun registration laws — upholding the earlier ruling striking down the requirement for gun owners to re-register firearms every three years, limit registrations to one handgun per month, pass a test, and bring their guns to metro police headquarter for inspection. The three-judge panel’s ruling striking down the restrictions was appealed to the en banc Circuit Court. Respecting the precedence established by Heller’s 2008 Supreme Court victory, the majority of the court voted against revisiting the case.


“DC did nothing to justify any law enforcement or public safety value of those things,” according to Heller’s attorney. However, Heller was not successful in eliminating the registration of long guns; registration fees, safety training class, and the three requirements that gun owners appear at headquarters to be fingerprinted and photographed. Heller is considering an appeal.


The DC District Attorney office is also considering an appeal to the Supreme Court. If so, they may move to keep the restrictions in place while the matter is being adjudicated. However, we think that Dick Heller can almost certainly notch another one on his Freedom gun.

 

Rob- All of those appeals are in doubt due to the balance in the US supreme court.  Gun control advocates will try to have their cases pushed to the US supreme court this year.

 

Gun Education Save Children

And finally, from Iowa comes a story highlighting the benefits of educating our young on firearms safety.

 

Police and parents tried an experiment with children and firearms. A fake gun was hidden in a conference room, where eight children were placed. The gun was found in 15 seconds and quickly passed around, pointed at one another, and unsuccessfully attempted to be fired.  However, there were two children who would have nothing to do with the firearm. They even attempted to leave the room. Not surprisingly, they were children living in homes with firearms. They were familiar with guns and knew the dangers and the proper behaviors.

Now will someone please tell us why we shouldn’t be educating our young in the schools?    

 

Rob- We teach household safety as soon as kids move about the house.  Age appropriate in each case.

 

3-  News 2

Rachel’s Rant.  😉

 

Rachel’s “Stay Safe” Rant

 

The other day, I was open carrying while teaching a piano lesson to one of my youngest students. She’s about 6 years old. Right in the middle of me helping her clap out some rhythm, she looked at me inquisitively and asked, “Why do you have a gun?”  I’ve had plenty of people ask that question, and I’ve given plenty of answers, but none of them seemed quite right for the moment. First, I didn’t feel a need to get into a philosophical debate with a 6-year-old. Second, I didn’t want to terrify her with thoughts of the bogeyman assaulting her. Third, we were in the middle of learning music.

 

But I didn’t want to lie, and I didn’t want punt the question. So I simply said, “Because it’s safe.” She was satisfied with the answer and we moved on.

 

Staying safe is something we talk a lot about. Staying safe is good.

 

It’s commonly thought by gun control groups that guns create an unsafe condition. We know otherwise. We feel safer with guns. I often say, “The safest place for your gun is on you,” because that’s where you have the most control over it.

 

I believe that many of us would say our reason for carrying a gun (or owning guns, or training, or purchasing gear) is that we want to keep ourselves and our family safe. For the rest of this rant I’m going to focus on that aspect: keeping our family safe. If you don’t have a spouse and kids, think of family in a larger sense: your group. Your people. The people you care about. You want them to be safe. You want to help keep them safe.

 

But what does it even mean to stay safe? What do we want, and how do we get it? And where do guns come into the picture?

 

I was already thinking about this topic when an excellent post popped up on my Facebook feed. It’s from John Hurth, who teaches tactical tracking and other courses.

 

The entire post is worth reading, but it’s lengthy, so I am going to quote only portions of it.

 

What are you prepping for?

Every day as I scroll down my FB feed I read questions from others who are soliciting opinions from friends concerning gear. . . .

Many of those questions asked revolve around a notion that a piece of equipment will make the person asking better prepared, but prepared for what? What is the environment or the situation you see yourself in or are preparing for?

As gear is concerned I am a firm believer in a three tiered fighting/survival system……

Now don’t get me wrong there is a lot of “cool” stuff out there and unfortunately the cool factor and practicality factor are not the same. Most people have been influence by recent combat photos and video shot in Iraq and Afghanistan. Heavy body armor has its uses if you plan on entering and clearing a building by force or rolling down a road that is mined and IED’d (not the most preferred method of travel in my opinion). However, is that the situation you envision yourself in and are you trained for it?

Gear can get extremely expensive, especially when you actually get out there and use it only to find out it doesn’t work the way you envisioned it.

If a disastrous situation occurs in your area what is your plan? A good example is the after effects of Hurricane Katrina. In a natural disaster that eventually leads to the complete breakdown of a community where everyone after realizing the gravity of the situation turns on each other, what do you see yourself doing? What will be your threat? ….. [He goes on to give specific examples and possibilities.] …. The issue may not be just gear but more importantly planning, and above all training that makes sense based on your planning.

. . . .

Think out of the box. What do YOU NEED to survive based on your planning and contingency planning?

 

I believe part of staying safe is physical protection from threats, particularly from assaults and disaster scenarios. We talk about this in DGU’s all the time.

 

But I believe when we really care about protecting our families and keeping them safe, what else is there besides the worst case scenario that we should be concerned about?

 

I ask my LTC students, “If you’re sitting in McDonald’s what are the potential threats to your family?”  Not only is there the “bad guy” threat, but ….what about the food that may have more of a chance of killing them?

 

And then, beyond physical threats, what about others? How are we caring about our families and keeping them safe emotionally, mentally, even spiritually?

 

And how do we determine where we should spend our energies and resources?

 

I’m not going to answer a lot of questions, but I want to throw out some questions for you, and I’d ask you to consider the priority of threats in your family.

 

First, threat level: what are the worst threats?

Second, fixability: what can you prevent, or guard against?

Third: worthwhileness: How difficult and expensive and time-consuming is it to be prepared for a threat?

Fourth: Effectiveness – How likely would our efforts be to change things?

Fourth: Opportunity cost – Does pursuing safety in one area increase danger in another?

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My experience

 

Assuming your goal is to keep your family safe, how can you best achieve that goal?

 

Gun Quotes- In honor of Texas independence day, this quote comes from Sam Houston- Govern wisely, and as little as possible.

 

We’ll be back with an interview of pro-shooter and political activist Dianna Muller.

 

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4- Interview 1

 

We have Dianna Muller with us tonight.

 

Dianna is a retired police officer with 22 years of service with the Tulsa, OK PD.  She is also a champion shooter and the captain of Team Benelli. She is a top-level 3-Gun shooter having won the 2013 USPSA Multi-Gun Championship women’s division and she is a regular on the Outdoor Channel’s Shooting Gallery.

 

Welcome, Dianna.

 

We invited you to be with us tonight not because you are a champion shooter but because of another project you have in the works. At the SHOT Show, you announced the 50 Women March on DC. Could you tell us more about it?

 

You and a number of volunteers visited Capitol Hill last week. How did that go?

 

Will you be producing a series of videos based on these visits?

 

How can people learn more about this project? And where can they find you on the Internet?

http://DCPROJECT.INFO

http://www.agirlandagun.org/dc-project/

https://www.facebook.com/DC-Project-570495719781611/

 

5- Interview 2

 

6- DGUs

(Did we use this one?)

1- Home invasion Birmingham Alabama  An 8 year old boy named DJ arrived home a few minutes early from school.  DJ let himself in the house.  A few minutes later, DJ heard three young men trying to get in the house through the front door.  DJ ran upstairs.  He also hid under his bed, called his dad, and then called police.  DJ’s dad usually meets him when he comes home from school, so his dad was already on the way home when he got DJ’s call.

 

The father was already armed when he arrived home.  The homeowner found three young men in their 20’s inside his home.  He shot one of them and the other two escaped.  Police arrived moments later.

 

Chief Deputy Randy Christian said “ There are.. activities in this life that increase your chances of losing yours. Kicking in a door and entering someone’s home with criminal intent is one of them. Thank God this little boy and his dad are ok.”  The couple lived in the home for 10 years.  Now their son wants to move.

 

2-Realtor meets thieves in an unoccupied  home.  A realtor in Nashville, Tennessee was looking for a home to buy.  He and his wife entered this newly built home.. to find out that they were not alone.  Two men had pried open the back door and were ransacking the upstairs.  

 

The realtor put his hand on his gun, but did not draw it.  That was when a thief with gang tattoos on his neck and hands came down stairs.  The husband and wife made small talk and said they were going to look at the back yard.

 

That is where the realtor called police.  The two thieves had left by the time police arrived.  The officer said that many of the new homes had been broken into.


Note: The following were from last week’s ‘cast – but not used.  

Las Vegas Homeowner Shoots Invader in the Face

A man with a 12 inch knife terrorized a quiet Las Vegas neighborhood late one night. He assaulted several homes before choosing the wrong doggie door.  

Alexander Gonzales, 40, has been charged with burglary with a deadly weapon; attempted burglary with a deadly weapon; and possession of a controlled substance. It seems likely that the controlled substance led him on the midnight rampage in South Las Vegas. He tried to break down the doors of at least three homes before trying his luck one more time. A neighbor warned the targeted owner by phone and he was at least somewhat prepared. When Gonzales tried to force his way through the doggy-door, the homeowner shot the knifeman in the face. When the police finally arrived, the owner met them with raised arms and told the officers where his gun was located. was treated at a local hospital for a minor wounds and released into police custody. The large caliber bullet entered the criminals face between the eyes, traveled beside the nose, through the lips and exited out the jaw. Gonzales should never buy another lottery ticket; he’s used up all his luck. The show notes contain a link to the thug’s picture. Be advised, it’s very graphic.

Neighbor Nicole Stokken said; “I think it was very brave. I’m glad he did it. It made me feel better — that he’s armed.” Slokken believes the outcome would’ve been different if a neighbor had not called her with a heads up and if her next door neighbor did not shoot the suspect. “The detective told me the neighbor very well could have saved our lives.”  

 

Guns in good hands have a tendency to do that.  

 

Clerk and Thug Exchange Shots

Sometimes life can be a game of inches, as a Washington state convenience store clerk and a criminal found out. During the robbery, clerk Seul Lim, 30, and the accused robber, Tyrone Prophet Jr., 23, each got off one shot. His bullet clipped Lim, her’s barely missed.

On the surveillance video, the masked gunman is seen entering the store with a drawn gun, pointing it at Lim’s face and demanding money. She surrendered the cash but the agitated accused continued to wave the gun at her head. When Prophet looked away, she pulled a gun from near the register and fired. The thug fired at almost the same instant and then fled. His bullet hit Lim in the abdomen, her’s missed the assailant’s head by inches.  


Police tracked the getaway car to a motel and arrested Prophet and detained the female driver. Investigators recovered a .380 semi-automatic pistol, as well as clothing seen in the video. He is being held on 1 million dollars bail. Prophet is also suspected in another convenience store robbery where the clerk was shot in the hand without provocation.

 

Lim was treated at the hospital and released. She’s tough. her husband said, She’s a tough cookie.

 

We’re glad the criminal is in custody and that Seul Lim will be okay. We’re especially glad that her husband made the “tough cookie” crack and not us.  

 

Rob- training lets us make better judgements.

 

Tampa Liquor Store Robber Dies
Freelance Bernie Sanders-ing a local store is tough and dangerous work. A young thief, Cody Bolesta, 20, and his partner tried their wealth redistribution scheme at Cut Rate Liquors of Tampa, Florida. The two entered the store wearing ski masks and hoodies; pointing guns and demanding money. Store clerk Willie Morris, 57, pulled his own gun in self defense and exchanged gunshots with the criminals. Bolesta was struck and made it back to the sidewalk before collapsing. His partner left Bolesta to die and fled. Morris was not hit.

 

At this time, police believe the shooting to be justifiable self-defense, but the case will be presented to the State Attorney’s office for final determination.

 

John – I guess these thieves were not persuaded by the prices of cut rate liquors.

Rob- Video saves prosecution.

 

Self-Defense in Cali
Self defense can be necessary, even in the gun-controlled paradise of California. A homeowner shot and killed a man attempting to burglarize the Ontario, California home. The owner confronted the 26 year-old-man in the home’s entryway, where they struggled. The intruder attempted to take the man’s gun and was shot a single time in the chest. The unnamed burglar was pronounced dead at the scene.

As Bob Owens of Bearing Arms wrote; Even in anti-gun California this appears to be a very cut-and-tried case of self-defense, and it is not expected that the homeowner is at any risk of facing charges for defending his home, himself, and his spouse.

 

Failure in the Victim Selection Process – Armed Robber Gets Only Lead

An armed thief prowled a Minneapolis–Saint Paul neighborhood one night. But instead of money, a smart phone, jewelry — or a life — he got lead. You see, the thief’s chosen victim was a CCW permit holder who was carrying his gun.

 

Official information is sketchy, but there was certainly an exchange of gunfire. The concealed permit holder was standing at the end of a driveway when the 20-year-old male tried to rob him at gunpoint. It was the criminal who was mortally wounded; his victim was not hit. Police recovered both weapons from the scene as part of the investigation. No other suspects are being sought. Witnesses corroborated the victim’s story, and the legal CCW carrier was not arrested and was not expected to be charged.  

The alleged robber was well known to police. The city’s Police Chief said the man “goes back and forth between Brooklyn Park and Minneapolis. He’s an individual we’ve known from previous contact. He certainly hangs out around here.” <Unquote> Or used to.  

 

State Rep. Pat Garofalo (R-Farmington) said, “A loss of life is a tragedy. But when a criminal pulls a gun, they risk ending their life. Concealed carry works.” Roughly 1 in 19 eligible Minnesota adults now has a permit to carry a gun for self-defense. Criminals should take note.  

 

Rob- 20 crimes before they are caught.

Gary –

 

Another Failure in the Victim Selection Process: Thief Tries to Rob a Policeman’s Home

A home invader is in guarded condition after kicking in a home’s back door.  Unfortunately (for the thug), the home belonged to a Memphis police officer. The off-duty officer was forced to defend the lives of his two young children and shot the man as he entered through the door. Neighbors saw the policeman running across the street to a neighbor’s’ house with a kid under each arm to get them away from the scene. Only the criminal was injured.  

 

Neighbors said that several police officers live nearby, and they are prepared if someone chooses to target them. A neighbor continued; In general, it’s as safe a neighborhood as you’re going to find any place nowadays. I do feel safe, but when I walk, I still carry my gun, my taser and my pepper spray. You have a lot of people here who hunt, a lot of people here who carry guns; and Mississippi is probably not a good state to just kick in somebody’s door and try to rob them.”  

 

We can only hope the criminals will learn this harsh truth soon enough.

 

John – Tom Givens – only 3  students injured in over 65 gunfights involving his students – they weren’t carrying. The rest were.

 

Man shot dead Tuesday during a home invasion

“Guy just tried to come in here and cut my throat and he’s dying on the floor.” Those chilling words said to a 911 operator hardly do justice to the life or death struggle in a Lockland, Ohio home.  


The resident reported that four people entered the home and threatened to kill him with a knife. Three others were still on the scene when police arrived Tuesday afternoon. A fourth person fled the scene in a gold vehicle. Police found a man inside the home with a gunshot wound to the chest. He was pronounced dead at the scene.  

 

Neighbors said it is surprising that violence hit this particular home. “He’s a defender, you know, he defends his community. He defends himself, quite naturally,” Lockland resident Dwayne Palmore said. “What would you do if somebody came in your home?”

 

We all need to ask ourselves that question…. Continuously.

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I had some guest posts up on my blog.  Shayna Lopes Rivas wrote about the single Florida state senator who is stopping campus carry.  Shayna goes to school in Florida and was raped on campus.  I also had a guest article by Amber Kunau.  She writes about teaching your children to be safe around firearms.

 

My regular articles are up at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland, and at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I mentioned I was in Baltimore. I posted before and after pictures from Baltimore. In the first you see rioters jumping on police cars and in the second you see the street today. If I had turned 180 degrees, you would have been looking into the home of the Baltimore Orioles – Camden Yards. I can only hope that next year we go elsewhere for our meeting – perhaps like Pittsburgh where I can legally carry.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Human Rights Advocate Paul Lathrop needs your help.


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Human Rights Advocate Paul Lathrop urgently needs your help.  Paul was arrested and released last week.  He spoke with his lawyer today.  He needs another $5,000 before the lawyer will take the case.  The lawyer is optimistic, but they need more than that amount of money to mount a good defense.  The goal is $15 thousand.  We’ve opened a GoGetFunding site.

Please donate here.

Paul is a long-haul truck driver and driving instructor by trade.  Last weekend, Paul was in Nebraska training a student driver when the following situation unfolded.

The student driver had stopped at a station to refuel. As the student pulled away from the pump, another driver apparently felt that the student drove too close to his rig. Although there was no collision, the irate driver of the other truck rushed over to the driver’s side of Paul’s rig and aggressively approached the student. The student felt that he was about to be assaulted and told the aggressor to back off. Paul also demanded that the driver back off.

After some back and forth, the other driver finally went back to his vehicle and the student drove off. Unfortunately, the other driver decided to call the police and accused Paul of threatening him with a gun.

The student swears that he never saw a gun at any time during the confrontation, but the police stopped them and Paul was arrested.

Paul’s resources are modest and he really needs the help of the 2A and human rights community.  You can help Paul by making a donation in any amount.
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