Episode 346 – Bloomberg for President?

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday August 30th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Kelly : I’m Kelly Lynn from the New Shooter Canada Podcast, and since Rob is still working on his move this week I am stepping in to help co-host..

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have good news about carrying knives in Texas.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Virginia on air killings

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a fast food worker defends himself while working the drive thru, so climb aboard

Kelly: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 346 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rachel- Went to my local A Girl & A Gun chapter girl’s night out – shot my Glock, gave new shooter instructional, and coached shooters. Signed up for GRPC range day. Running and working out to get ready for the Pecos Run N Gun.

 

John – I spent yesterday morning and part of the afternoon at the Greensboro, NC gun show. It was the biggest gun show I’ve been to unless you count the SHOT Show or NRA Annual Meeting. When we got there the line for time had about 35-50 people in it! The show itself was a good mixture of the old and the new with some junk thrown in. For every 2 ARs, I saw one Colt Python. I also – and please don’t tell Mike Bloomberg this – engaged in a private transaction that was in full compliance with NC law. A nice Ruger Security-Six – the predecessor of the GP-100 revolver – came home with me. I think it probably spent most of its life in a holster. The barrel was clean except for some cobwebs!

 

Throw to Kelly here

John – Kelly, I have a question re Appleseed

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

 

Paul says-  Rob made it to Louisiana, and a big moving truck is in front of his house right now.  He got to visit with friends on his drive east.  He had dinner with Charles Heller in Tucson, Arizona.  He also visited with Ben Branam and John Edeen in San Antonio, Texas.  Anyone who thinks the US is crowded has not driven US Highway 10 from Tucson to San Antonio.  Rob is writing about gun owners who “don’t want to be on a list”.  He has an internet connection in his new house, so he should be on next week’s podcast.

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

Seg 2- News

 

Two Journalists Killed On-Air

Two Roanoke, Virginia TV journalists were killed on-air by a deeply disturbed former coworker. The killer then posted his own video of the shooting to Twitter and Facebook and faxed a 23 page rant to ABC News before killing himself several hours later.  Per our longstanding principles, we will not broadcast the killer’s name, nor sensationalize his so-called reasons. We do express our sincere condolences to the friends and families of the victims of this senseless attack.  

The killer was still at large when politicians and activists elbowed their way onto the airwaves and social media. Candidates Clinton and O’Malley were quick to focus on the gun, as was the White House. Without even a significant fraction of the facts, they recited the usual half-truths, spin and nonsensical “common-sense” demands. Of course, Bloomberg’s minions were not far behind. Many remarked on how extraordinarily quick the anti-gun response was. Universally, the gun was the thing demonized.  

 

However, it’s the chattering class and the media that are very likely the real reason for this tragedy. This attack was the direct spawn of the media’s obsessive fascination with mass killings and the killers. The attack was designed from the start to get the attention the killer longed for. He wanted to ensure a stage for his beliefs, his perceived wrongs and himself. The killer brought his own body camera, stalked the news team, waited until they were on-air, then delayed his attack until the perfect moment when the news camera returned to the reporter. It is the stuff of cold, calculated madness — and showmanship. The killer – and the media – got what they wanted.  

 

Now, the pro-rights community must once again defend itself and it’s Constitutional Rights. It’s again time to stand up, to refute the lies and half-truths, and to actively support those that support them.  The law-abiding, the rational, the sane, will be facing a flood of the usual, emotion-driven, nonsensical attempts to limit their freedoms with a host of ultimately ineffective laws.  

 

Related to this story, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke was on the Fox news Hannity show the day after the shooting, after President Obama renewed his calls for more gun control. Sheriff Clarke had the following quote. “Here’s my challenge to the president of the United States, You think this is so easy? Forego your Secret Service protection for you, for the first lady and your children, and see what it’s like to have to defend yourself, And then we’ll sit down and have a conversation so you know what we here at ground level have to deal with on a daily base in terms of self-defense.”

 

[Our commentators may want to remark that the media is having a rough time – as the shooter was a black, gay, progressive, anti-gun, disaffected, Obama supporting racist – leading them to focus almost  exclusively on the gun and anti-gunners. He passed the background check. He apparently would not have used all the rounds in a limited 10 round magazine. Most of the anti’s demands would have made ZERO change to this atrocity.

 

This is an extremely important story – if anyone has any suggestions how the article or the one beneath can be improved – please sing out! ]   

John – The reason we didn’t hear about the killer as much as the gun was that he didn’t fit the usual constructs. He was a gay African-American man which meant he was sacrosanct.

Rachel

John – It got a lot of press because of two facts- video and they were journalists.

 

Paroled Violent Repeat Felon Kills 9 Year Old

Just how effective gun laws can – or can’t – be is shown in the tragic death of Jamyla Bolden. The precocious 9 year-old was killed in her mother’s Ferguson, Missouri bedroom while doing homework. The murderer that fired into Jamyla’s house had a significant felony record, including weapons violations. Despite his prior arrests and convictions, he was free to roam the streets. Months before, he had been convicted of an armed drug robbery and was sentenced to 10 years in prison. But the judge commuted his sentence to just 5 years of probation, sending him back into the public once more. And a beautiful, intelligent, vibrant little girl was laid to rest this Saturday as a direct result.  

The Pro-Rights community often points out that gun laws only affect the law-abiding; criminals naturally operate outside those laws. However, laws are especially ineffective when the authorities choose not to enforce those laws. For reasons of ease, expense, misguided compassion or the desire to hide uncomfortable demographic truths, the prevalent “Catch and Release” philosophy is tearing at our society’s perception of justice. And it’s  just one more reason why we must stay armed and alert.  We. Are. On. Our. Own.  (Michael Bane)

 

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Texas Knife Law Preemption Goes Into Effect Sept 1

 

We on the podcast have often criticized the knife laws and policies of certain Texas cities such as San Antonio. That all changes on September 1st when Texas HB 905 goes into effect. It is legislated state knife law preemption such that no county or municipality can have a knife law more restrictive than state law.

 

The immediate impact is that it invalidates the knife ordinances in Corpus Christi and San Antonio. These two cities made Knife Rights Worst 10 list for the knife ordinances. Moreover, the 2013 Texas law change allowing automatic or switchblade knives will now be effective throughout the state. Knife Rights and its volunteers are combing city and county ordinances searching for locales whose ordinances are now invalid.

 

John – Knife law preemption like state gun law preemption should be the rule in all states. Unfortunately, it isn’t.

Gary – Illinois State Senator Tim Bevins has introduced legislation, SB 711, that would legalize switchblade (automatic) knives for anyone who holds an Illinois concealed carry license, as well as for peace officers. It includes legalization to manufacture and sell to these individuals. – See more at: http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=304#sthash.AHvJhTgs.dpuf

Rachel- believe it or not, it took multiple sessions to get this passed

John – I’d like to say this about switchblade bans – it was the result of politicians seeing West Side Story.

^^^YES!!!!

Seattle gets hit with lawsuit

 

A hat tip to Bob Owens over at bearingarms.com, it’s not like no one warned Seattle that this would happen. Before Seattle Mayor Ed Murray signed the seattle gun and ammo tax into law, The National Shooting Sports Foundation warned him that they would sue the city should he actually sign the ordinance. Well he did, and they did. Actually the NSSF teamed up with the NRA, the SAF, and 2 local gun stores as well as 2 private citizens to file the lawsuit. The attorneys that are representing the plaintiffs are the same ones that won a 2009 suit that required Seattle to follow state preemption law.  

 

Paul – I don’t know about anyone else, but I really would not want to fight the SAF, the NRA, the NSSF and others all rolled into one. There is a LOT of legal muscle coming to bear here.

 

John – I’d like to also note the historical significance of this. This lawsuit marks the FIRST time that the SAF, NRA, and NSSF have all been party to the same lawsuit.

 

Mike Bloomberg for President?

 

Media mogul Rupert Murdoch seeing the success of Donald Trump is trying to start a Draft Bloomberg for President movement. He made this suggestion in a tweet after the large stock market decline on Monday. He said it was time for Bloomberg to step into the ring and referred to him as the “greatest mayor.”

 

John – As I titled my blog post on this, Not only no but hell no.

 

comment – Can you imagine what this nasty little fascist as Michael Bane calls him would do to not only gun rights but all rights?

 

Gun Quotes

Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon — so long as there is no answer to it — gives claws to the weak. — George Orwell

 

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Segment 3 Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat Quick Tips

 

Segment 4 DGUs

Domestic Violence Victim Shoots Attacker
We’ve covered the tragedy of New Jersey resident Carol Bowne, who died waiting for permission to buy a handgun to defend her life. In this story, we see the difference a gun can make in a domestic violence case.   

Early in the morning, a domestic dispute degraded into violence. Police received a 911 call involving a domestic dispute with the suspect armed with a gun. During the domestic incident the man choked the victim. As the victim escaped, two gunshots were fired striking the man twice. Enterprise police arrived to hear multiple gunshots from inside the home.

A police spokesman said the victim suffered minor injuries. He said the alleged assailant remained hospitalized as of mid Thursday morning. He will be officially arrested when released from the hospital.

Armed Robber Approaches Two Men, Demands Wallets, Gets Killed
After watching a Tennessee Titans football game, two men were standing outside a Nashville house when a SUV stopped in front. Several armed men got out and demanding the friend’s belongings.

While one thief was taking the keys and getting into to a victim’s car, he saw the homeowner drawing his own gun. The thief opened fire and the homeowner shot back, hitting the criminal.  22-year-old Clarence Goins went to his reward in the Nashville street. HIs accomplices fled in the white Jeep Cherokee. Nashville Metro Police said that both victims waited at the scene and cooperated with officers when they arrived.

Our takeaway: even when you’ve just enjoyed watching your team beat the hapless St Louis Rams, criminals can attack. Stay armed – stay aware.  

 

Home Invasion Lands A Criminal in the Hospital
Another Tennessee homeowner answered a 2:10 am knock on his door. He naturally found three armed men on his stoop. In that touching tablou, everyone began shooting.

The three suspects fled on foot. A short time later, a Mr. Dre’An Whitherspoon entered an Emergency Room with a bullet wound. Dre’An remains in the hospital in stable condition.  Springfield Police Chief David Thompson, believes Whitherspoon was one of the three men involved in the robbery and since they have retrieved the bullet, a ballistics test should confirm he was shot by the victim.

Five people (including a 7-year-old child) were in the home during the robbery but no one in the home was injured. Police believe there is a ring targeting local Hispanics. It is not likely that the victim will face any charges,

Paul – Please, dear listeners, NEVER open the door to someone you do not know or expect. But at 2:10 in the morning — JUST DON’T!

 

Rachel

 

John – This also shows that criminals are targeting communities that they don’t think will fight back.

 

Fast Food Worker Uses Gun To Ask If There’ll Be Anything More?
In Canton, Ohio, a drive thru worker pulled his own gun when threatened by two armed suspects. The two drove off quickly with the clerk’s response to their order. The suspects, who police did not provide a description for, are wanted for attempted aggravated robbery. The police report did not indicate if they got fries with that.  

Kelly – Canadian perspective re: Home Defence

Gary –

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

The 1st email is from Peter in Virginia

 

Hi folks,  When/how do you transition from teaching kids Stop, don’t touch, tell an adult and leave the area to the four rules?

My oldest, who turns 5 on Monday, has recently shown a big interest in guns. She got the Eddie Eagle spiel at preschool this past year (I think it was when they had a fireman come in and talk to her class) and we’ve been reinforcing it constantly, whenever she brings up guns.

I finally showed her my collection tonight, after another Eddie Eagle reinforcement, and another couple in the middle and end. I just showed her what each of them was, a little about how they worked, and how to hold/shoulder them. I don’t have a cricket or anything, so she couldn’t really hold any of them, but I let her look through the scope of my Ruger 77-22, which was my first rifle around 30 years ago. She already has a thing for “spotting scopes”, brought on, I think, from cartoons, so she was fascinated. Then Mommy walked in the room and she said, “I want to look at Mommy through the spotting scope”.

Well, that’s pretty much the impetus for the email. We told her, basically, Rule 2, then reinforced the Eddie Eagle thing again, and told her not to tell her friends (which won’t happen, but at least she’s not in school yet, so she may have time to forget before then, and certainly can’t say “I played with Daddy’s guns last night”.)

My current thoughts are:

  1.      Reinforce Eddie Eagle every time she brings up guns.
  2.      Make her tell me the Eddie Eagle rules, without prompting, before getting to see them again.
  3.      When I show her, teach her Rule 2, and reinforce beforehand, and if necessary during.
  4.      She doesn’t get the mechanisms yet, so rule 1 and 3 are over her head, but once she gets what the trigger does, I’ll add 3.

Ya’ll have any thoughts on how to handle it better? I know there’s a video out there on Kkds and guns that got brought up on the podcast a while back, that I’m going to find and watch soon, but anything else?

Thanks,

Peter in Virginia.

 

Rachel

Paul

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Next we got another email from Clayton in Minnesota

 

Alright grumblers here is some gosh darn Minnesota nice for you!

Minnesota does give out non resident permits that can be applied for at any sheriff office in the state.
If you come within a couple hours of me during a visit to the great white north here, I’ll give you a “name your price” class and accept as little as a penny to show my appreciation for all your time and effort to the Polite Society Podcast. I have lots of guns and ammo we can qualify with if you don’t bring your own!

Thanks for revisiting my email, I really enjoyed the way Susan could really bring out the meaning of my words onto the air.

Best regards from the North Star State,
Clayton

 

John do you want to mention anything from No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money  you would like to talk about?

 

I have a couple and they are related. You know how the anti-gunners and their progressive kin believe in never letting a tragedy go to waste? They are now using the heroics of the Americans on that train in France as an example of how “you don’t need a gun to stop a bad guy.” They say that this validates some anti-gun research coming from Harvard’s David Hemenway. They conveniently forget to add that the train was a “gun free zone”.

 

The second was about a bulk email I got from Virginia Delegate Patrick Hope (D-Arlington) asking me to sign a Change.org petition for universal background checks. It was sent approximately 15 hours after the murders of the journalists. I pointed out the Hope seems to be the kind of guy who will surrender all principle if it gets him ahead. Hope is originally from Texas, attended a Christian high school, and then Catholic colleges for his undergraduate and graduate degrees. Despite this background, he is proudly proclaiming he won a major award from NARAL for protecting abortion funding. Pardon me if I am suffering from a little cognitive dissonance.

 

Gary – Rob is moving this week so he hasn’t had time to post anything on his SlowFacts blog. He is prolific though, now is a good time to get caught up. Also I have good news for Paul, Pmags for the Glock. Wrong, Gary there was a problem with the 9mm so .40 S&W is delayed.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 345 – Detroit Citizens Arming Themselves

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News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Sean Sorrentino

Cornered Cat Quick Tip:

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

PAUL: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday August 23rd 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

JOHN: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Detroit’s police chief urging citizens to arm themselves.

RACHEL: I’m Rachel Malone and in one of our DGUs a 14-year-old successfully defends himself and his younger siblings.

SEAN: I’m Sean D. Sorrentino of GunBlog VarietyCast and I’ll be a guest co-host today.

GARY: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s… we have a story from Chicago… so climb aboard

SUE: strap in

JOHN : and hang on!

PAUL:  episode 345 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

GARY – What training do you have coming up? My next class is an Illinois FCCL certification course on September 19&20 for the full 16 hour course or Sunday the 20th for 8 hours if you meet the prerequisites. You can sign up on my website www.FirearmSI.com. Of course last weekend I was in the Cornered Cat class with the added bonus of a handgun retention class with DON STAHLNECKER

 

JOHN – The classes I teach at WCU started this week so I’ve been pretty busy with that. I did meet with a client yesterday and our conversation turned to guns. Turns out Tom qualified Expert with the M16A1 when he was a Combat Engineer in the Army Reserve in the 70s.

 

The class with Paul Carlson and Grant Cunningham in North Carolina tentatively scheduled for this fall that Doc Wesson and I were trying to put together is being put on hold. I think we may try for the Spring instead. Doc’s work schedule and not enough solid interest contributed to this.

 

RACHEL – my sister’s wedding yesterday. Still trying to catch up on sleep from the last few weeks and organize my life for this fall. Made all my reservations for GRPC! Got an email invitation to their range day event – is anyone else doing that? I might…

 

SEAN – I shot an IDPA match yesterday! I need a better ammo budget. That’s really a lot of fun.

 

PAUL – Cornered Cat class. Improved although I only did a bit of shooting on Sunday. Unlike Rob, I need to add more live fire. I found some things that make my grouping a LOT better.

 

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Seg 2- News

 

Chief Craig Effect: Detroit Citizens Arming Themselves In Face of Rising Crime Emailed in by Listener Anthony L

On the mean streets of Detroit, embattled citizens are arming themselves for their own protection with the approval and support of Police Chief James Craig. In a city plagued by crime, unemployment, shrinking police numbers and decades of single party rule, many of the remaining citizens are trying to take back their city. Handgun registrations and CCW permits have increased notably.  

 

“There’s definitely been a “Chief Craig” effect,” said Rick Ector, a firearms instructor, business owner, blogger and friend of this show. His support and endorsement has been helpful. Ector said that he and other instructors have seen a steady rise in locals looking to get a permit, to protect themselves either on the street or in their homes. Ector noted that legally armed residents are having an effect. “Home invasions have gone down,” he said. “A huge reason was that there was a huge spate of homeowners using their guns against intruders. More people have guns and it’s making burglars cautious.”

 

Rick said women are driving the growth in his business. “It used to be that we would only have one or two women in a class,” he said. “Now we are seeing much, much more. In the largely African-American city, residents are increasingly supportive of civilian armament. “If anyone should have the right or need to carry a gun, it should be the African-American community,” Philip Smith, founder of the National African American Gun Association, told Reuters.

 

Seems like this is one more lesson that can be learn from the rise and fall of Detroit. If only they were willing to listen.  

 

Sean – The real terror of this is the lack of control. Anti-gunners don’t want low crime, they want high control.

 

Rachel – I appreciate those who make the gun world much easier for women to enter and thrive in.

John – what threatens the gun controllers even more that it is African Americans

Paul – going to reach out to Rick Ector this week for next weekend’s show

An Alabama Sheriff just doesn’t get it

 

Russell County Sheriff Heath Taylor thinks that regardless of whether you qualify for a concealed carry permit that HE  should be the one who decides if you get it.  Taylor was quoted in a Breitbart piece saying that “We know things that the computer can’t tell us. We know things about our citizens. We know who’s going through a divorce. We know who’s in a bad time, who may be drinking too much, who may be abusive, but hasn’t necessarily crossed the line of a crime. But in our opinion, they don’t need a pistol permit” This following a theater shooting that we covered a few weeks ago where the gunman got a pistol despite several disqualifying factors that should have stopped him in the NICS check system. What the sheriff didn’t say is that the same things that should have stopped the gunman from getting a gun through NICS also would have allowed any sheriff to disallow the carry permit.

 

John – this makes me think of the NC sheriffs and the pistol permit system.

Sean – So he’s saying that he has a list of citizens he’s put on double secret probation?

Rachel – I know many people who would think this is a great idea. They don’t realize that this line of thinking will come back to bite them….and their grandkids.

Gary – They are doing this in Illinois, we are shall issue but any law enforcement agency can deny permits.

Paul –

Sean – Judge

 

Gabby Giffords and Starman Kelly Redefine Gun Control as Gun Responsibility

In an Orwellian redefinition of the term, Gabby Gifford and her opportunistic husband Mark “Starman” Kelly are claiming that they are not supporters of ‘gun-control’, but rather favor ‘gun responsibility’. Despite never meeting a gun-control effort they didn’t like, they now say they do not support ‘gun-control’ in the traditional sense of the phrase. With a profound grasp of the obvious, Kelly said that nobody likes to be controlled. He went on to say that the gun control group he and Giffords launched simply supports “basic principles” to keep communities safer.

 

This is an indication of the success the gun-rights community has earned; the term “gun-control’ now has a negative connotation with most of the public. The terms gun-safety and now gun-responsibility are simply efforts to get around the public’s evolving understanding. Giffords and Kelly’s statement is a nuanced, and deceitful, acknowledgement of our gains.  

 

As Kurt Schlichter said to the antis; “Screw You”.  Giffords and Kelly are urged to again substitute a word.   

 

Gary –  Government forcing ‘Gun Responsibility’ IS ‘Gun Control’

John – I’m reminded of our interview with Jeff Knox regarding the VA and SSA. Shouldn’t Gabby Giffords actually be a prohibited person due to brain injuries.

Gary –

Paul – unfortunately I saw in the news this week that Giffords has had a US Navy ship named after her. I think that it is unfortunate that a ship made for fighting is named for a person who is against our rights.

Sean –  Gun Ban, Gun Control, Gun Safety, Gun Responsibility: You can say poop, feces, or night soil, but no matter what you call it, it tastes just the same .

Rachel- this is true Sean, but it’s also true that those who control the narrative have a significant edge. Maybe we’ve successfully given gun “control” a negative connotation…let’s also make sure we’re the ones who successfully define gun responsibility.

 

Break

 

Senators Ask For Extra-legal Delay of Firearms Purchases

In a coordinated anti-rights assault, thirteen anti-gun U.S. senators have asked Bass Pro Shops and Cabela’s to refuse to release firearms to customers whose background checks aren’t completed within three business days. Michael Bloomberg’s Demanding Mommies is also making the same demand of Gander Mountain and Sportsman’s Warehouse. And, U.S. Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) and Brady Campaign president Dan Gross urged the same from firearm dealers nationwide. Thankfully, the retailers have so far not responded to the demands.

The largely ineffective Brady Handgun Violence Act of 1993 requires initial background checks to be completed within three business days. The three day limit is there so as to not violate the Second Amendment toooooo much. If the automated check is not completed in time, the retailer is allowed to release the firearm. If granted, these extralegal requests would deny a fundamental right as the result of bureaucratic delay. The threat of deliberate delays is clear.

 

We applaud the retailer’s decision to resist the pressures of the legislators and activists. We support those that support us.  

John – I have just three little words for these retailers – Smith. And. Wesson. They should remember what happened S&W when they entered an agreement with the Clinton Administration.

Sean – The 3 day limit was put there on purpose…

Rachel- everybody, do your part. Be proactive in getting to retailers and encouraging them to support our rights.

Gary- I carry these

Sean – No Secret boycotts

John – Delta and their ban on trophies

 

AMERICANS SUBDUE GUNMAN ON FRENCH TRAIN

One serves in the Air Force, another recently served in Afghanistan in the National Guard, another is studying physical therapy in Sacramento – and these 3 Americans are being hailed as heroes for tackling & disarming a gunman they happened to encounter on a high-speed Amsterdam-Paris train.

Air Force serviceman Spencer Stone remained hospitalized Saturday after being stabbed, though the Pentagon said the injury was not life-threatening. another passenger was wounded by a handgun in the attack.

The French Interior Minister said the American “were particularly courageous and showed great bravery in very difficult circumstances.

The attacker did not fire his automatic weapon but did wound one man with a handgun and another with a blade. The suspect is a 26-year-old Moroccan.

It’s unclear whether there was a political motive to the gunman’s actions. Counterterrorism police are leading the investigation and are questioning the attacker,

 

Sean – Let’s not forget the fourth member of our band of “have a go heroes,” a

Gary – I have to quote the NRA “Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns”

 

Paul – A reminder that it is weren’t for the French in the 1770’s we would likely still have a monarch

 

Gun Quotes

 

“#Black Rifles Matter” — Michael Bane

 

It doesn’t require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires to people’s minds. — Samuel Adams

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Sean D. Sorrentino of the GunBlog VarietyCast

 

How did you come up with idea for your podcast?

Do you have a particular focus such as gun rights or training?

 

Did you have trouble getting gun bloggers to agree to record segments for the show?

 

Bio-Break

Segment 4 DGUs

 

14 Year Old Defends Siblings From Home Invaders

Faced with two home invaders, a 14 year old did everything he had to do: He hid his six year old twin siblings in closets, got his father’s cell phone…. and he grabbed his rifle.  When one of the intruders opened the closet where he was hiding, the thug found himself not facing the expected frightened child, but the muzzle of the young man’s firearm. “I had my gun loaded and ready to shoot, but when he saw me he just took off running,” young Andrew Mason related. Andrew’s father said “He’s excellent. He did everything perfectly. He couldn’t have done better, and he’s actually a hero,”

 

The proud papa had done pretty well himself. Kiewa Mason recounted that “I believe in the right to bear arms, and it’s not like he was foreign to it. We go to the shooting range quite often. We go to the Clark County (Las Vegas) shooting range quite often. Kiewa Mason said his family has practiced for this scenario.


The two thugs were videoed by the home’s security system. They are well known to the neighborhood and are expected to be arrested soon.

Our congratulations to the two Mason men; Well done, well done indeed.

 

Rachel – gun safety storage, authorized use

Gary – Similar law here in Illinois.

Paul – Good on the father for teaching the child that once someone is running away not to shoot.

 

Sean – Something jumps out at me when I look at a picture of the young man with the rifle.

 

Four Teenagers Shoot Homeowner and at Wife Holding a Six Month Old Baby

In a bone-chilling reminder of why we arm ourselves, a Georgia family had to endure the nightmare of a home invasion by four armed men.  Michael Lash answered a teen’s plea for the loan of a car jack. Once the door was opened, four males forced their way inside. In the fracas, Lash was shot twice in the legs. The thugs then fired at his wife holding their six-month-old daughter. The shot fortunately missed. Their two year old son was unharmed in the incident.

 

Whitney Lash was talking to a 911 operator before the first shots rang out. However, the cops arrived far too late to apprehend the suspects, who remain at large. The horrifying 911 recording can be found at the link in the show notes.      

Listeners are reminded to NEVER open the door to someone they do not know. If they appear official, confirm their identity by a call to their organization. And please take heed of the many stories we present of armed homeowners successfully defending their lives with a firearm.

 

Gary – Four invaders and they want to limit our magazine capacity to 7 or 10 rounds.

Sean – Locked screen door. Barriers between you and intruders.

Sean – Pretext

 

Defensive Gun Use: Shop Owner Refuses To Be Robbed, Takes Robber’s Gun And Shoots Him With It

 

Andrew Hepburn was lucky when two robbers entered his CAD Auto Parts in Fort Lauderdale, FL. Lucky because he was able to take away one of robbers’ guns and use it to defend himself.

 

Conrad Bloomfield, 36, of Lauderhill and his accomplice entered Hepburn’s auto parts shop and demanded he get on the ground while they began robbing the shop. When Hepburn was slow to get on the ground, Bloomfield began to pistol whip him. It was then that Hepburn took the robber’s gun and turned it on him. He ended up shooting Bloomfield 5 times in the chest. The accomplice did wound Hepburn in the exchange of gunfire. Fortunately, Hepburn is expected to have a full recovery while Bloomfield is in critical condition.

 

John – this is another story illustrating why you need to be armed.

Sean – Saw this video

Rachel- fighting is a mindset: the will to survive

Paul – never give up if you still have consciousness

 

Defensive Gun Use of the Day: More Chicago CCW Success

 

Ever since Illinois became the last state in the country to allow concealed carry, we’ve seen reports of legally-armed citizens defending themselves against armed criminals. Here is another one of those stories that happened late Thursday. A 24-year-old man, legally carrying a concealed firearm, was walking down the street with a woman when two suspects approached them with a handgun and announced that they were being robbed . . .

As a response, the 24-year-old drew his firearm, as did one of the armed thugs. Both men fired. The permit holder was shot in the leg, while the suspect was shot in the chest.

Both were taken to the same hospital where the permit holder is in stable condition. The suspect, however, is in critical condition and, if he makes it through his injuries, will be facing numerous charges.

Paul – shot placement

Sean – What constitutes a “Win?”

Rachel- too often, it’s not about the wallet. That may be the pretext, but things can escalate quickly.

Paul – I carry 2 wallets

Rachel- there’s always the wallet holster…

Sean – I ain’t here for no gunfight

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Our first email is from Chris in North Carolina

 

Hey All,

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I have been meaning to drop you one of those oh-so coveted fan emails for a while now but marriage, a new job, and moving to North Carolina got in the way of things.  I wanted to express my appreciation to everyone for all the time and effort put into the show each week. Those of you on air and those who work behind the scenes (I’m talking about you Charlie Foxtrot) are doing amazing work.  I eagerly anticipate the release of each show.  I savor the knowledgeable,
insightful and sometimes irreverent commentary you and your guests provide.  You are my go-to podcast for my short commute each day.

I am a native born Minnesotan so a comment in episode 343 caught my attention.  You mentioned a very wise hesitancy to render aid to the aggressor in a DGU that happened in Minnesota.  I know Paul travels through the “California of the north” so I thought I’d mention this.
Some states have laws with severe penalties that may be interpreted to require you to foolishly put your life in danger a second time and render aid if you’ve used deadly force to stop someone threatening your life.

Of course there are conditional statements in the verbiage of the law making use of what I like to call “lawyer speak” (a.k.a. weasel words) that can be interpreted to allow you to not rendering physical aid if you are still in fear of your life.  However, as we have seen there is a concerted effort by the media and most liberals to misinterpret these passages in a way that is NOT advantageous to a victim who chooses to defend themselves.  The _potential_ exists that you may be prosecuted for not going beyond calling the cleanup crew to help someone who just tried to kill you.

I personally believe no person should ever be required by the power of the state to do more than call the police and let the trained professionals approach a violent offender.  Depending on the prosecutor you could be at risk if you do not.  Here is a link to the statute .  I hope this helps people make an informed decision if they should ever have to do the unsavory duty of defending themselves or loved ones.  https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.662

P.S. I’m sure John is wondering, yes for the time being, I do live in Cary, the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees.

Sincerely,

Chris in North Carolina
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Sean – Welcome to the Massachusetts of Dixie

Paul – MAG 40

Sean – Law of Self

John – In other words, you don’t have to be Minnesota Nice to a criminal.

 

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Next up is Bud who sent this one in

 

I really enjoy listening to The Polite Society Podcast.  I listen every week and always check for new podcasts during the week.  The DGU’s are very interesting and there are only a couple of gun shows that even discuss items like this.  As much as I enjoy the show, I do have a couple of suggestions for making it even more interesting.

 

I would love to hear you have Dr. John Lott on the show and just let him discuss facts about gun deaths, crimes and state laws in America.  It seems like every time someone has Dr. Lott on their show they only allow him to answer specific questions and then rush him to provide an answer.  I always get the feeling that he had much much more to discuss, but show times didn’t allow him to speak.

 

If the show time doesn’t allow for Dr. Lott to discuss the details of his research, then make the time, extend the length of the show or make it a two or three part series.  I’m sure that other subscribers/listeners are just as interested in his research as I am and this would provide a lot of information for gun owners to use in conversations with those on the fence about guns.  I think that Massod Ayoob would be just as interesting. *** Just ask them a question or two to get the conversation started and then turn them loose.

 

Another guest that I’d love to hear from is someone like Michael Bloomberg or the leader of Mothers Against whatever. **  It would be interesting to hear just how people like this think and/or process information.  I wouldn’t allow them to misstate the facts about guns, as a matter of fact it would be good to hear how they actually handle the facts.

 

These are just suggestions about shows that I believe would be highly listened to podcasts and quite possibly make national news that could put “The Polite Society Podcast” in the must listen to podcasts of many people.

 

Thank you,

Bud

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John – We have had Dr. Lott on the show a while back. Perhaps it is time to get him on again.

Sean – GET GAIL!

Rachel- Wanna find out “how they actually handle the facts”? Sounds like they handle facts by avoidance…ignorance is bliss?

 

John – I’d love to have Shannon Watts on to explain why she opposes campus carry when her daughter goes to  a school where they have campus carry.

 

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We also got an email from Clayton

 

Hey folks, I heard y’all begging for emails so I decided to pipe up and educate you a bit.
While Minnesota did drop several states from our recognized reciprocity, (we only recognize permits that include live fire in the class qualification) we have been making large breakthroughs in pro gun legislation. We are moving in the right direction at a pretty good pace! While California is sliding deeper and deeper in the opposite direction.
We have no magazine capacity limit, no ammo purchase limit, no limit on number of firearms carried, our permit allows rifle and shotgun carry, no thumb safety requirement, no god forsaken bullet buttons, and we can even carry guns in the woods without a permit.
(It literally says “in the woods” in the statute. Ha) There are A LOT of hunters here.

 

 

Minnesota just legalized suppressors, hunting with them, and stripped the government from the ability to confiscate weapons during a declared emergency. (We didn’t even know they had that power since we have no earthquakes or hurricanes! Apparently a legislator snuck it in around May)
We stripped the requirement to notify the Capitol of intention to carry on grounds too. There is no language in our laws about open or concealed for our carry, so I like to open carry for comfort, speed, and to be a pleasantly polite ambassador to the public for responsibly armed citizens like us.

I know those are common things for Southerners but I just wanted to remind you we aren’t as Liberal as the “Twin Cities” want you to believe. We have nearly 200,000 issued permits here and it’s growing fast.
I’m proud to be an NRA member, (an unnamed organization) permit to carry instructor, and (an unnamed number of) guns owner!

 

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John – Now why doesn’t MN recognize NC because we meet their class and shooting requirements.

 

Gary – Rob can’t be with us but he is still writing. He posted yesterday about the train shooting in France. You can see that post at https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/ John you have a new post this week right?

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Sean for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time? Rachel: yes! I’m back in the swing of things!  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Sue: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 344 – The ATF Thumbs Their Nose at FOIA Requests

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Pre-show announcement:

Open and Personal News Segment: 

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest David Cole

Interview Segment 2: Guest Paul Valone

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  We’re recording on Sunday, August 19th, 2015.  I’m Rachel Malone.

Melody: I’m guest host Melody Lauer.  Today we talk with David Cole about sport hunting and gun confiscation.  Yes, they want your guns.

Amber: I’m guest host Amber Kunau.  We interview Paul Valone of Grass Roots North Carolina about new gun laws.  North Carolina is a better state for gun owners after the passage of House Bill 562.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Second Amendment Foundation and Calguns suing the city of San Jose.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said it is not a government agency so it does not have to answer a freedom of information request.

Melody: Really?

Rob: Really

Melody: so climb aboard

Amber: strap in

John : and hang on!

Rachel:  episode 344 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal gun news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I left my day job so I could focus on the moving to Louisiana.  I’ve been working every day for the last month.. so yesterday I took time to go shoot my glock 19.  Now I need to dry practice. I go make noise at the range when I want to feel better about my shooting. I dry practice in silence when I want to be a better shot. On Monday I was on the Lock and Load Radio program with Bill Frady.   I wrote and read news for Kenn Blanchard at Black Man with a Gun.  I’d like to thank our listeners.  We had more downloads in the last thirty day than we had in the entire first year of the podcast.  This week we had our biggest download day ever.

 

How was your week, John?

 

John- Not too much gun related news this week. As many people know, I teach financial planning as an adjunct instructor at a local university. I spent a day on campus going to meetings and getting stuff ready for my first class on Monday. Teaching these classes gives me some found spending money to use for Second Amendment related activities. So you might say the anti-gun University of North Carolina system is paying for me to go to Phoenix for GRPC – they just don’t know it!

 

What’s your news, Amber?

 

Amber-  Your gun news.  (Mention where our listeners can find your classes, your writing…)

Took my mom shooting.  She went from being afraid of guns.. to wanting to buy one.  She already has her Wisconsin CCW.

Amber: Melody, what have you been doing?

 

Melody- Your gun news  (cheap purses need to die?) (Mention where our listeners can find your classes, your writing…)  Limatunesrangediaries.

 

Melody- Rachel, you’ve been away from the show for a while, and I understand you do a lot of first aid/ first responder training too?

 

Rachel- I have a lot of medic friends, and a lot of friends interested in wilderness survival, including medical training. I join them for training sometimes, and I run logistics for the medical training events that they teach, so I’ve picked up a lot from them.

 

My news:

  • Academy 31 gun class for 15 girls, many beginners
  • bought a new gun – S&W shield
  • Michael Adam memorial service
  • Zombie Run is canceled/Battle Road ended
  • going to Pecos Run & Gun in the Sun as a range officer in September

 

Rachel- That wraps up our personal news segment.  We’ll be back with more news after this message.

 

Break

Seg 2- News

 

John The  US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives claims that the Freedom of Information Act does not apply to them.  They said the ATF was not a government agency.  Attorney David Hardy from Tucson and his client Len Savage asked for copies of the ATF’s internal documents.  Savage wanted written copies of agency guidelines describing which firearms are legal and which are prohibited.  The ATF said they don’t have to tell.

 

Rob- I wonder if the judge will believe that I’m not a human so I don’t owe taxes.

Rachel- walks like a human, talks like a human.

 

Rob Edward Rodriguez suffered a schizophrenic episode.  His wife called police.  The police declared that Edward could be a danger to himself or others.  Then the San Jose police hospitalized Mr. Rodrigues for a psychiatric evaluation.  On the suspicion of his mental illness, police also seized Misses Rodriguez  firearms.  The San Jose police later refused to return the firearms and moved to permanently confiscate them.

 

The Second Amendment Foundation and the Calguns Foundation filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court on behalf of Lori Rodriguez challenging San Jose, the San Jose police department, and the officers who seized her firearms under the state’s Welfare and Institutions code.

 

President of the Second Amendment Foundation, Alan Gottlieb, said  “The City of San Jose or any other California jurisdiction simply cannot be allowed to seize someone’s legally-owned property because of the actions of a spouse or some other third party.  We have looked at the state code and have serious concerns about the policies and procedures in San Jose. Lori Rodriguez should get her firearms returned.”

 

“The San Jose city attorney acknowledged that Lori Rodriguez could go out and buy more firearms because she is not a prohibited person.  We think she should get her own firearms returned, and that this continued deprivation of her property needs to stop immediately.”

 

The lawsuit seeks to compel the city to return firearms to Rodriguez, to pay damages and court costs. They also seek an injunction against the city and the police department to prevent future violations.  http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/nonpub/H040317.PDF

 

Rachel Also from California, the California Governor signed a bill backed by both political parties.  The new law should prevent unfair gun seizures and defend the rights of gun owners.  The law allows a person subject to a gun violence restraining order to transfer their firearms to a licensed dealer for safekeeping, rather than turn them in to police.  The bill passed with a unanimous vote in both the California House and Senate.  The recent california gun violence restraining order bill has been called the “turn in your neighbor” law.

 

The bill was sponsored by Southern California Assemblywoman Melissa A. Melendez from Lake Elsinore.  She said, “Today, we witnessed a rare victory for gun owners across California.  By allowing a trustworthy alternative for gun owners to maintain possession of their firearms, we are preventing any unjustified gun grab against those who may be unfairly targeted by bogus allegations.”

 

Even a gun owner convicted of a felony still has the right to sell off their gun collection and state law should be modified to accept that.  Assembly Bill 950 will take effect Jan. 1, 2016

 

Melody Our next story comes from Marlboro, Maryland.  Barvetta Singletary works in the White House. She is a special assistant to President Barack Obama and an acting House legislative affairs liaison. Singletary was also dating a Capitol police officer.. until she took his gun and shot at him.  

 

You and I would have legal charges stacked to the moon.  I’m thinking attempted murder, grand theft, possession of an unregistered firearm, negligent discharge of a firearm in a public place, brandishing, reckless endangerment and assault on a police officer.

 

If that makes sense to you, then you’re wrong too.  Miss Barvetta Singletary was charged with a single count of attempted domestic violence.

 

Rob Comment-

 

John- Remember that this is the same white house who says that you as a private citizen act irresponsibly and only the police and government should have guns.  Yikes.

 

Rob Leaving southern Maryland, this next story comes from nearby Washington DC.  The District of Columbia government agreed to pay 75 thousand dollars in legal fees to attorney Alan Gura.  Gura successfully challenged the District’s prohibition on carrying firearms in public for self-defense.  

 

U.S. District Court Judge Frederick Scullin Junior struck down the city’s ban on concealed carry.   That was two years ago.  Judge Scullin also rejected DC’s request  to reconsider the case.  Gura originally asked the court for about 50 thousand dollars in fees, but he continued to bill as the District contested Scullin’s ruling.  

 

The district of columbia has already paid Gura 1.5 million dollars for the Heller case brought to the US Supreme court.

 

John Then there is Seattle where the City Council unanimously approved a new tax on the sale of firearms and ammunition.  The council adopted the tax that was modeled after a similar measure in Cook County, Illinois.  The tax adds $25 for each firearm sale, plus 5 cents per round.

Human-rights activists promised to sue on the grounds that the city doesn’t have the authority to impose the measures.  Sergey Solyanik, owner of a Seattle gun shop called Precise Shooter, told the council the tax would simply prompt customers to travel to nearby cities to buy guns.  He said, “The only real purpose of this legislation is to run gun stores out of Seattle.”

 

Rob- There is firearms law preemption in Washington State.

 

Rachel- Does your church have a shooting range?  The Rocky Mount United Methodist Church in Jemison, Alabama has one now. It started as an overgrown gully behind the church, but now it is the site of firearms safety training for church members and for police proficiency exercises.  The police also it to teach civilian safety classes.  

 

Pastor Phillip Guin said “We had quite a number of church members.. that had purchased guns, but didn’t know how to use them.  Churches say a lot about gun safety, but why not do something about it?”

 

It took a few years, but the safety training morphed into the Rocky Mount Hunt and Gun Club as a way to try and bring more members to the church.  Quoting the pastor again as he pointed at the red clay backstop,

 

“”We wanted to come up with some different ideas to help our church grow, and we thought this would be a unique ministry to offer to the community.  Really, the whole purpose of this range is to provide recreational and gun safety in a warm, loving, Christian environment.  Who’s to say that church can’t happen right here.

 

The police have another training course scheduled on the range in October.

 

comment- Paul Markel talked about Faith and the Patriot last week.  Paul said christians should not be pacifists.  Before that, we had Jeff and Robyn Street on the show.  They offer free firearms training classes at their church on Tuesday nights.

 

comment – this is remarkable given the UMC Gen Conf has statements backing gun control. They have also called for all UMC churches to be gun free zones.

 

comment (Rachel)- I have mixed feelings…

 

comment (Melody)– steak and shoot

 

comment( Rob) I was drawn to the firearms community by a local church that pulls fathers and sons out to the desert for their Desert Shoot Out.

 

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Rachel We saw police retreat in the recent burning of Baltimore as they left “room to riot”.  We saw Ferguson, Missouri burn a year ago.  This last week, Oath keepers refuse to let Ferguson burn again.  Heavily armed and armored members of oath keepers were standing on the streets of Ferguson during the anniversary of the riots. They protected journalists and property owners.

 

It is legal to open-carry arms in Missouri if you have your concealed carry permit.. and the Oath Keepers did.  They also had a background as military police and first responders.  Despite their qualifications, Saint Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar described the Oath Keepers‘ presence as “both unnecessary and inflammatory.”

 

Melody The Oath Keepers were not alone in being an armed presence in Ferguson.  The Ferguson Market and Liquor Store was looted twice last year.  This year the employees were armed with shotguns and handguns.  On the anniversary of the Ferguson riots, they let customers into the store, allowing only one or two at a time.  Video shows store employees standing inside the store with shotguns held at the low ready.  Later that night, there were shots fired down the street and the crowd moved toward the market. Armed employees standing outside the store directed the crowd away.  There were no shots or injuries.. and the market was open as usual the next day.

 

Rob A former county judge was sentenced for selling at least 60 guns without a license.  Some of the guns went south into Mexico. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Texas announced Friday that Judge Timothy L. Wright was sentenced to 18 months in federal prison and $15,000 in fines as part of a plea agreement.  He pled to dealing in firearms without a license and making false statements to federal agents. Judge Wright had been warned by ATF agents last September not to engage in the business of selling guns until he obtained a federal firearms license. While Wright did indeed file for an FFL, but he continued buying and reselling guns while waiting for his license to go through.  He made straw gun purchases for third party buyers.  After the judge received his FFL, he made at least three private sales to felons who were prohibited possessors.

 

Comment- tell me again that the government is here to help me and ignorance of the law is no excuse.

 

John We have some great news from Michigan.  Michigan has strong laws preempting local branches of government from writing their own firearms laws.  A Genesee County judge ruled a father can openly carry his pistol inside his daughter’s elementary school.  Circuit Judge Archie Hayman ruled in favor of Kenneth Herman and gun rights advocacy group Michigan Open Carry.  Ken Herman’s daughter goes to a local elementary school.  Herman filed a lawsuit against the School District because he was told to leave the school while trying to pick up his daughter.  Herman was openly carrying his pistol.

 

The school district went further and declared all of its properties to be a weapons-free zone.  The district sought to have the lawsuit dismissed.   They argued that state law allows districts to enact policies to safeguard students and, therefore, allows them to institute firearm bans.

 

Michigan state law allows people with concealed pistol licenses to openly carry their firearms in schools.  The judge agreed with Mister Herman and Michigan open carry saying the ability to create local weapon policies is beyond the district’s authority.

 

Rob Comment- A citizen can carry on school property if they have a concealed carry permit.  Concealed carriers can also open carry.  Therefore a concealed carrier can open carry as they pick up their child at school.  I see that it is legal.  Is this the way to win hearts and minds?

 

Comment- Open carry was necessary in order to force a lawsuit against the school’s self-imposed gun free zones.

Rob- Open carry in Louisiana.

 

Rachel Gun Buybacks In Boston A Failure Boston Mayor Martin Walsh started a gun buyback program when he got into office. The plan offers those who turn over guns to the police a gift card with values ranging from $100 to $200. It appears that the people of Boston are smarter than their mayor gives them credit.

 

So far in 2015, the number of guns turned in for a gift card is one. That contrasts with last year when 400 firearms were exchanged for gift cards. Perhaps the people of Boston understand that they need to protect themselves. This year to date there have been 136 non-fatal shootings. This is a 43% increase over the prior year.

 

Despite Mayor Walsh saying that the city needs to redouble its efforts on the gun buyback program, it would appear that the people of Boston recognize the effort as having no impact on the reduction of crime.

 

John- Alex, I’d like to buy home made pipe guns for $100

 

Rob – You know the song says one is the loneliest number. Let’s hope it stays that way.

 

For those of you in the New Jersey Area, the New Jersey Second Amendment society is collecting signatures to recall senate president Steve Sweeney.  They are working the next two weekends.  Please lend them a hand.

August 22  http://www.recallsweeney.com/recall_sweeney_signature_gathering

August 29 http://www.recallsweeney.com/recall_sweeney_signature_gathering_20150829

 

LInks are in our show notes

 

comment- and on facebook.

 

comment- at at NJ2AS.com

 

Melody Gun Quotes That leads us right into our quote this week.  “The freedom enjoyed by any society rests not on the Constitution or the bill of rights, but on the willingness of ordinary people to stand up for themselves.”  That is by author Lee Harris.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interviews of David Cole and Paul Valone.

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Segment 3 Interviews

David ColeDave Cole joins us to talk about his article- wake up for fudds.

A “Fudd” is a gun owner who only owns hunting guns, and believes that by sacrificing the more “tactical” style of firearms to gun control, his deer rifles and his duck guns will be left alone. If this describes you, I’d just like to ask you a question: Do any of you watch the news? Are you paying ANY attention at all?

 

Type “Cecil the Lion” into your search engine.  Go ahead and read some of the news stories, and better yet, read the comments. Once you’ve seen the vitriol and insanity surrounding this topic, come back here and tell me that you really believe that your hunting guns are safe. Tell me that the people making these comments believe you have any right to hunt and by extension, the guns you hunt with.

 

We’ve seen a huge public condemnation of female hunters like Kendal Jones and Regis Giles.  They are lightning rods for the hate of anti-hunters.

http://blackmanwithagun.com/a-wake-up-for-fudds

 

Paul Valone of Grass Roots North Carolina re house bill 562

 

Paul Valone is the President of Grass Roots North Carolina which is one of the most effective state-level Second Amendment organizations in the country. Paul, Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast.

 

  1. House Bill 562, euphemistically called the Second Amendment Affirmation Act, was recently signed into law by Gov. Pat McCrory. Could you first tell us what we as gun owners won in the bill?
  2. Now for the downside – two of the major parts of the original bill were a patient privacy component and the end to the Jim Crow-era pistol purchase permit system. Both were eliminated on amendments from Republicans. What, in your opinion, was responsible for this?
  3. Gun ban organizations such as Bloomberg’s Everytown, Gabby Gifford’s Americans for Responsible Solutions, and the Brady Campaign were dead set on the elimination of the pistol purchase permit system and claimed victory when they weren’t eliminated. Did they really get a victory or was it more the power of the sheriffs’ lobby? Can this be used against the opponents of the bill?
  4. Where do we go from here? It has been mentioned that there will be primary challenges to some of those Republicans who voted to keep the pistol purchase permit system.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Carrying a firearm isn’t easy.  Consider the conflicting advice given by law enforcement officials after these three events.

 

Rachel 1- A Charlotte North Carolina homeowner came home to find two thieves in his house.  It was mid afternoon and the homeowner shot one of the intruders before the thieves fled.  A neighbor told police where one suspect was hiding.  The other suspect drove away.. and crashed his car due to loss of blood.  Both suspects are now in police custody.

 

Ho, hum, just another defensive gun use, but I’ve saved the best part.  The Charlotte Mecklenburg police announced this advice if you find an intruder.  You should never fight back. Their biggest piece of advice, do not resist or frighten the criminals.

 

John- Charlotte lives up to its reputation.. again!

 

John 2- Louisiana sheriff’s deputies responded to a domestic violence call.  They found the back door of the home smashed in and the body of 45-year-old Monica Butler Johnson in the back yard.  She had been beaten to death.  Mrs. Johnson worked through the legal system to protect herself from her estranged husband. She obtained a restraining order last month.

 

Ascension Parish Sheriff Jeff Wiley said this murder case shows the limits of our legal system to protect victims, and that he can not protect victims 24/7.

 

Quoting the sheriff- “ Get your concealed weapons permit. Learn how to safely handle a weapon, learn how to safely store a weapon, and when you’re in a situation like this shoot him in your back yard before he gets in your house. Drop him. I mean, I’m serious. Take the extremes necessary to live a life where you don’t have to worry about your kids and your life.”

 

Ascension Parish District Attorney Ricky Babin also released a statement.  “The State of Louisiana has a statute in place for justifiable homicide. It states that a homicide is justifiable when committed in self defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm.

 

Rob- That doesn’t sound like Charlotte.

 

Melody 3- This doesn’t sound like Alabama either, but it is.  A Birmingham police detective was pistol-whipped with his own firearm.  He was beaten until he lost consciousness.   He hesitated to use force because he didn’t want to be accused of needlessly killing an unarmed man.  Quote “I hesitated because I didn’t want to be in the media like I am right now.”  The six-year police veteran said he didn’t shoot the man who attacked him during a traffic stop because of the critical news coverage following recent police shootings.

 

Rob- this matters.  A patrol officer carries different equipment than a detective.  An officer might have pepper spray, a wand, a tazer, his duty weapon and maybe a backup gun.  He has the ability to escalate his use of force.  The detective isn’t equipped that way.  He is one gun and done.

 

Comment- the detective is equipped more like a private citizen.

 

comment- Those are three divergent views of justifiable self-defense.  That is why the knowledge of your local law enforcement is important.  What do the local prosecutors think.. and should you be actively involved in electing better district attorneys?

 

Rachel Comment- Those are extreme examples.  The officials who advocated pacifism are at odds with officers on the street.  More than 91 percent of the officers who answered a poll at Police One supported concealed carry by civilians because it reduces crime.

 

John Comment- this is a serious question.  You can buy firearms owner’s insurance, but some of the plans won’t pay you unless you actually shoot someone.  That means you could have to pay for the lawsuit if you only draw your weapon and don’t pull the trigger.  I bring this up because Target department stores are suing the four heroes who stopped a crazy man from stabbing a teenage girl inside a Target store.  Listener Jacob Lee brought that story to our attention.

 

Comment- These stories of defensive gun use are supposed to make us think.. and I have to think about insurance.

 

Rob Fortunes change quickly in Las Vegas.  A man and his date arrived at their apartment complex after dark.  That’s when three men approached the couple.  The men held the couple at gunpoint and demanded the woman’s purse.  The couple stepped from their car, and rather than give up the woman’s purse, the man pulled a firearm of his own.  He shot the armed thief.  The thief’s two accomplices ran from the scene.  The thief later died at a local hospital.

 

News crews interviewed neighbors in the apartment complex the next day.  One neighbor said she’d already visited a gun store to get a firearm of her own.

 

Rachel This next article is sent in by listener Scott.  A man in the Dallas, Texas area was at home with his two children.  He was startled when two men broke through the side door of the home with a pry bar.

 

The homeowner said he was scared until he saw two men walking through his home.  The homeowner grabbed his rifle.  quote “I stood there and shot him. And, as I shot him, his friend pushed him down on the ground and ran out.” close quote

Both thieves escaped, but the wounded thief called 911 asking for help.  Police are ready with a warrant for his arrest, when the thief is released from a local hospital.

 

The homeowner said, he did what came naturally.  “I was just thinking to protect my family and protect myself, and that’s what I did today.  I got my 8-month-old little boy here.”

 

Rob- One thief tripped his friend to make

 

John Marcel Dixon is 21 years old.  He pointed a handgun at an older man on the streets of Wilmington, Delaware.  Dixon threatened to kill the older man and then opened fire.  He missed.  The victim drew his licensed handgun and shot back.  Dixon fled.  The victim notified police.

 

Dixon soon arrived at the hospital with a gunshot wound to the leg.  He was charged with first-degree reckless endangerment, possession of a firearm by a person prohibited, and carrying a concealed deadly weapon.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  We also have the audio verson of each individual segment for you.  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

Rob- Before we go to e-mail, we received some feedback on our stories of defensive gun use.  A firearms instructor played our DGUs for his students.. and then asked them how they would respond if they were in the same situations.  Could they get to their firearm in the middle of the night?  Could they present their gun while driving?  Did they have a flashlight near their bed, or could they lock their bedroom door?  Had they practiced shooting in low light without their glasses?

 

Melody- Those questions gave me some homework.

 

Rachel- We’ll be back with listener e-mail after this break.

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

John We received an e-mail from Liston Matthews.  We had Liston on last episode and he offered this correction.

 

Quote- I had one fact wrong in our interview, and want to correct the record. I mentioned that it is a felony to carry into a prohibited area in Tennessee. That is only partially correct. The felony charge applies only to government buildings, to government schools and to private schools.

 

It is a misdemeanor charge for carrying in other prohibited areas, with the maximum fine being $500.00.

Thanks again,

Liston

 

Rachel- Listener Marty Kutolow sent in this comment about the social security administration and the veterans administration labeling people as mentally defective if they don’t manage their own finances.

 

Marty writes- Well, I’d imagine DeNiro and Trump and a whole slew of current CCW holders in New York City don’t manage their own finances.  They all have business managers who do that mundane stuff like paying the rent.

Guess they’ll lose their gun rights.  No?

 

Thanks, Marty.

Comment- Laws made for the rich, and separate laws for us.

 

Rob- Listener Clayton sent us this message.

Hey folks, I heard y’all begging for emails so I decided to pipe up and educate you a bit.

Minnesota did drop several states from our recognized reciprocity.  We only recognize permits that include live fire in the class qualification.  We have been making large breakthroughs in pro-gun legislation. We are moving in the right direction at a pretty good pace!

 

We have no magazine capacity limit, no ammo purchase limit, no limit on number of firearms carried, our permit allows rifle and shotgun carry, no thumb safety requirement, no god forsaken bullet buttons, and we can even carry guns in the woods without a permit.  (It literally says “in the woods” in the statute. Ha) There are A LOT of hunters here.

 

Minnesota just legalized suppressors, hunting with them, and stripped the government from the ability to confiscate weapons during a declared emergency. (We didn’t even know they had that power since we have no earthquakes or hurricanes! Apparently a legislator snuck it in around May)

 

We stripped the requirement to notify the Capitol of intention to carry on grounds too. There is no language in our laws about open or concealed for our carry, so I like to open carry for comfort, speed, and to be a pleasantly polite ambassador to the public for responsibly armed citizens like us.

 

I know those are common things for Southerners but I just wanted to remind you we aren’t as Liberal as the “Twin Cities” want you to believe. We have nearly 200,000 issued permits here and it’s growing fast.

I’m proud to be an NRA member, a permit to carry instructor, and own a number of guns.

 

Comment- Thank you, Clayton.  Please keep working on your friends in the city so they come around.  Also, the state of Minnesota recently established reciprocity if you have a class 1 license from North Dakota.

 

Comment (Rachel)- Just another reminder, there are lots of ways to measure the gun-friendliness of a state

 

John This is from Kevin in Illinois.

I enjoy listening to you on the Polite Society Podcast.  Thank you for the contributions you make to the show and to furthering our 2A rights.

 

I live in Illinois as a military non-resident.  I’ve been very active attempting to get this state to allow nonresidents to obtain concealed carry licenses (CCLs).

 

I want to bring to your attention the administrative code changes proposed by the Illinois State Police.  Of specific interest to many of us is the redefinition of “substantially similar” that would theoretically allow residents of many other states, beyond the current four states of HI, VA, NM, and SC, to apply for a concealed carry license.  

 

Here’s the catch: If the resident’s home state doesn’t maintain a database of VOLUNTARY admissions into a mental health treatment facility, then the applicant must be evaluated annually by a mental health professional who certifies he or she isn’t a danger to him/herself and others and hasn’t been voluntarily admitted into a facility over the past 5 years.  

 

Honestly, how practical is this? I can’t imagine a mental health professional being willing to sign the dotted line unless that professional has a pre-existing relationship with the applicant.  Most applicants will never otherwise visit one over the course of a lifetime.  Furthermore, the cost to maintain an Illinois CCL will greatly exceed the $300 application fee since an annual visit to a mental health professional will now be factored into the cost as well.  And for those of us in the military, will Illinois require the mental health professional who signs the annual certification to be licensed to practice in the applicant’s state of residence?  If so, military members would need to make an annual visit “home” instead of relying upon their local Military Treatment Facility to provide this evaluation.

 

The proposed changes and an address to send comments were published last week in the Illinois Register.  Relevant pages are posted here: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=57760&p=929654

 

Regards,

Kevin Culp in Illinois

 

Rachel- Comment- Thanks Kevin.  It sure sounds like the Illinois State Police are busy pleasing their political masters in Chicago.  Thank you, Kevin, for all you do.

 

Rob-  Is that a business opportunity.  Unless they define the professional requirements, I can go into business issuing mental health certificates for Illinois online.  They have as much meaning as a Las Vegas marriage certificate.

 

John- I notice a pattern here.  Paul asked for e-mail.  Then, Paul misses an episode, and we get e-mail.  We report: You decide.

 

Rachel- We are going to the Gun Rights Policy Conference. The conference is in Phoenix at the end of September.  We plan to live stream the event.  We’re getting help from the Second Amendment Foundation and from Ammoland.  We’ve almost collected enough money for the equipment… and someone asked what we would do if there were any funds left over.  We had two competing ideas.

 

One was to donate any excess money to the Second Amendment Foundation.. while Gary Daughtry proposed we use the money to build the Polite Society Podcast waterslide in Phoenix.

 

John- See, we have no shortage of ideas.

 

Rachel-  Right.  We’ll give the money to SAF, but you’re invited to send in your ideas of how we should use it.

 

Rachel- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

President Obama said the lack of new gun-control laws was his biggest frustration. Barack is too modest. He has massively larger failings than gun-control. Obama simply wants gun-control as a media distraction to his growing list of political failures.  That article is up at Clash Daily and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John do you want to mention your posts at No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money?

 

I did a post noting that this past July was the highest July on record for NICS checks. It looks like people are seeing the pen and phone efforts of President Obama on gun control and are reacting to it.

 

This post and others can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

John:- Melody and Amber, do you have any articles you want to mention?  Where can our listeners follow you?

 

Melody- “Do you want a job?” is up at Limatunes Range Diaries.

You can find it at https://limatunesrangediaries.wordpress.com/

On Facebook, look for Limatunesrangediaries.

September 19 in Johnston, Iowa

 

Amber: Amber Kunau on Facebook

 

Charlie Foxtrot usually writes our show-notes.. but hs is moving this week.  Once he get settled again, look for his blog “not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com”

 

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank David Cole and Paul Valone for coming on the show for their interviews.  We have to thank Melody Lauer and Amber Kunau for joining us today as co-hosts.  John and Rachel, will you be with us next week?  I’m looking forward to it.  Next week I’ll be moving, but Paul, Susan and Gary should be back.

Melody.  So until the next time…

Rachel: stay safe.

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Mention advertisers, Concealment Solutions, Crusader Weaponry and NJ2AS. Firearm Safety Institute

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Episode 342 – Guests Galore

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/343.mp3

Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Jeff Street

Interview Segment 2: Guest Liston Mattews

Interview Segment 3: Guest Paul Markel

Interview Segment 4: Nebraska Firearms Owners Association

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded DAY/DATE, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with INTERVIEW about SUBJECT.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about TEASE FIRST NEWS STORY

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s .. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode XXX of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

Seg 2- News

 

Gun Quotes

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

David Cole- Dave Cole will join us to talk about this article- wake up for fudds.

A “Fudd” is a gun owner who only owns hunting guns, and believes that by sacrificing the more “tactical” style of firearms to gun control, their deer rifles and duck guns will be left alone. If this describes you, I’d just like to ask: Do you people watch the news? Are you paying any attention at all?

Just go and Google “Cecil the Lion.” Go ahead and read some of the news stories on the topic, and better yet…read the comments from readers. Once you’ve seen the vitriol and insanity surrounding this topic, come back here and tell me that you really believe that your hunting guns are safe. Tell me that the people making these comments believe you have any right to hunt and by extension, the guns you hunt with.

http://blackmanwithagun.com/a-wake-up-for-fudds

 

Segment 4 DGUs

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/08/11/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-lake-highlands/

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Mention advertisers, Concealment Solutions, Crusader Weaponry and NJ2AS. Firearm Safety Institute

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Episode 342 – More Chattanooga Fallout

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/342.mp3

Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment: 

Interview Segment 1: Guest Bill Frady 

Interview Segment 2: Guest Tony Simon

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday August 2nd, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and tonight we’ll cover a wide range of topics with Bill Frady of Lock n Load Radio.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we also interview firearms instructor Tony Simon from Simon Says Train.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we’ll bring you news of Lieutenant Commander Timothy White who tried to defend his men during the attack on the navy reserve center in Chattanooga, Tennessee.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 342 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

John – Unlike our last podcast, I don’t have tons of gun news. No Quiet Riot Tours this week and no suppressor shoots. I did order some parts for a couple of retro AR builds I’m working on.

 

More importantly, I’ve bought my plane ticket, reserved my room, and registered for GRPC in Phoenix.

 

I do have some more news on the class that Doc Wesson and I are hoping to have this fall in NC with Grant Cunningham and Paul Carlson. It will be in mid to late October and will include up to 3 days of training including defensive pistol, defensive revolver, and a carbine day.

 

-Rob- Work, eat, sleep.  No fun.  I got to talk with George Hill.  John, you convinced me to stay another day at GRPC.

 

Gary- I must be recovering, I’ve got some cabin fever. I went to the range this morning and put 8 14 round magazines of self-defense ammo through my Para without a malfunction, so that gun will take it’s rightful place as my everyday concealed carry gun.

 

Paul – Live from Central California. Don’t have the new truck yet, but do have a new student. We are delivering tomorrow and then off to the land of cheese. Only had a little time at home, so no range time for me, and have been so busy with training the new student that I don’t have time for dry fire practice.

 

Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat class in 2 weeks, we are down to 1 seat left for the 2 day Cornered Cat class, and still have seats for the 4 hour handgun retention class friday evening.

Break

Seg 2- News

 

John- Two Military Members Fired Personal Weapons at the Chattanooga Terrorist

One of the heroic elements of the cowardly Chattanooga terror attack was two of our military taking the fight to the Islamic terrorist. A Marine and the site’s Commanding officer fired their personal pistols at a terrorist armed with a AK-47, possibly wounding him and very likely saving many other lives. They paid a heavy price for their heroism; the yet unnamed Marine died in the assault and Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White may face charges from his own government.

 

Allen West reports that the United States Navy is bringing charges against Commander White for illegally discharging a firearm on federal property. Since the Clinton era, military personnel have been banned from carrying weapons on federal military property. White could be relieved of command, lose rank, and might even face a dishonorable discharge.

 

Rob- Lieutenant Commander White’s wife said this- “He values human life enough to protect his sailors and others. I am honored to be his wife and stand by him 100 percent.”  She gets it.  I couldn’t have said it better, and thank them both.

To do this to a hero shows the level of anti-gun insanity that pervades the the current administration and the personnel they’ve placed in the upper ranks of the military. A petition on the White House website has been started to asks Obama to honor the men who fired their personal weapons. The petition must reach at least 100,000 signatures by Aug. 28 in order to force a response from the White House. That is a worthy goal.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/honor-our-service-members-who-used-their-personal-firearms-fight-back-against-terrorist-attacker-chattanooga

 

Paul – Florida grants permits in a hurry to military service men

Florida Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam said active and retired military service members get top priority when applying for their concealed carry licenses.  The expedited process is in response to the murders in Chattanooga, Tennessee.  The announcement by the agriculture commissioner expands upon an executive order issued by Florida Governor Rick Scott. The executive order included a requirement that preference be given to members of the Florida National Guard when applying for concealed-weapon licenses.

 

Rob- Fast and Furious scandal Arms Garland, Texas Terrorist

It looks like the federal government helped arm many of the latest crop of notorious killers. From the San Francisco pier murderer, to the Emanuel AME killer and the Lafayette movie shooting, all have involved questionable failures of federal systems. Now, another instance has been added to that string of failures: one of the Garland, Texas terrorists may have been armed with a pistol involved in the Fast and Furious scandal.

 

Nadir Soofi, killed during the Draw Mohammad attacks, used Lone Wolf Trading Co. to obtain a pistol. Lone Wolf was a part of a federal sting operation known as Fast and Furious that deliberately gave thousand of guns to narco-terrorists. This DOJ/ ATF operation was at best criminally negligent — and at worst treasonous.  Hundreds of Mexicans and two Americans died because of the weapons. The Obama administration was able to delay the investigation long enough for Eric Holder to leave office.

Soofi’s NICS check was initially delayed for a seven day investigation. For reasons unclear, the hold was lifted after 24 hours and Soofi was allowed to buy his 9-millimeter handgun. When he died, Soofi and his terrorist partner had three pistols on their bodies. The FBI has not released if the Fast and Furious pistol was in his possession the night of the attack. Neither have they explained the reason Soofi was allowed to purchase it. We only know of the Fast and Furious connection because of the Lone Wolf owner’s statements.  Senate investigators are demanding answers, raising the chilling possibility that a gun sold during the botched Fast and Furious operation ended up being used in a terrorist attack against Americans.

It all sounds like the stuff of tin-foil wearing conspiracy theorists.  Except for the abundant evidence of this administration’s wide-ranging efforts to eliminate firearms from the public. Keep your powder dry – we’ve got 18 months (hopefully) of this persistent danger.

 

Gary – Dr. John Lott talked about our frustrated president.  Hours before the latest shooting at a movie theater in Louisiana, President Obama complained in a BBC interview about his greatest failures.  What the president considers to be his greatest failures and what WE consider to be his greatest failure are entirely different lists.

 

President Obama considers his greatest failure to be his inability to pass gun control measures.  Obama offers no explanation for why the worst mass shooting during his presidency occurred in Europe, not in the US.

Obama didn’t explain why many European countries have a higher frequency of attacks and a higher death rate from mass public shootings than we see in the United States.

Not once during his interview did Obama explain how his gun control proposals would have stopped any of the attacks he has spoken so passionately about. The expanded background checks Obama has advocated wouldn’t have stopped a single one of the attacks that occurred during his presidency. The killers either passed background checks and bought the gun legally or stole the guns. With these killers planning their attacks far in advance, anywhere from 6 months (Charleston and Aurora attacks) to more than 2 years (Newtown and Santa Barbara), it is hardly clear why one would expect these rules to matter.

Obama also refused to acknowledge what many worry might serve as a magnet for these attacks: so-called “gun-free zones.”

 

Rob- I noticed that professional journalists don’t ask the obvious questions.

 

John – 100 LA Killings in 100 Days/ LA City Standard Capacity Magazine Ban

Apparently, some of the 120,000 active gang members in the Los Angeles area have started a friendly little contest on Twitter: they’ve challenged the city’s gangs to kill 100 people in 100 days.

 

The Daily Beast reports that this past weekend in South Los Angeles, the surge in violent crime was evident, and was likely tied to the Twitter hashtag of 100Daysand100Nights. Los Angeles Police Department administrators conveniently blamed the public’s fears on social media.  They said the violence and random slayings were not unusual in the City of Angels.

 

Los Angeles politicians continued to ignore the city’s real problems.  The hard-left LA City Council voted unanimously to further disarm law-abiding citizens. Their new ordinance would make it illegal to possess standard-capacity magazines within city limits. California has long had a ban on new magazines holding more than ten rounds. However, magazines owned before the ban were grandfathered in, something the media is disingenuously calling a loophole. Law-abiding LA residents will have 60 days to move the magazines or surrender them to the police.

Many pro-rights groups point out that this ban will obviously do nothing to diminish gang murders in the sanctuary city. The NRA and  CRPA are threatening lawsuits challenging the ordinance’s violation of California’s preemption law and the illegal takings arising from the law.

And they wonder why we continuously fight so hard for our gun rights.

 

Rob- I don’t think the gangs are going to obey the new gun laws any more than they obey the laws against robbery, drugs, prostitution and smuggling illegals.

 

Paul- Private companies must follow the law.. even in Nashville.

The city of Nashville contracted with concert promoters to run their public amphitheater.  The private company banned firearms.  Members of the city council in Memphis and Nashville said they wanted to extend the gun ban to many of their public parks.  Tennessee state law says public facilities must be open to licensed carriers.  The Tennessee attorney general said the venue remains a publicly owned property even if it is being run by a private company for a special event.  Quote, “Since a county or municipality no longer has the authority to prohibit handgun carry permit holders from possessing handguns in public parks and other recreational facilities, a county or municipality cannot convey or delegate any such authority to anyone else, either directly or indirectly.”

 

Rob- A new law went into effect the 1st of August in Louisiana that states that persons who are under a protective order for abuse are banned from possessing firearms, and if they are convicted of domestic violence are prohibited from possessing a firearm for 10 years. This is partially troubling because a protective order is VERY easy to attain, and can be granted without your attending a court hearing.

John- Rob’s next project.
John- Anniversary of Michael Brown’s Death
A word to the wise: This August 9th will be the first anniversary of the highly politicized shooting death of Michael Brown. Policemen have been warning shop owners in north St Louis about plans for civil disobedience in the days around the anniversary.

 

 

Gary- Gun Quotes- The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.  H. L. Mencken

 

Break

Segment 3 Interviews

Bill Frady of lock n load radio.

I’ve been on his show.

Discussion of major gun news issues.

Recruitment center shooting. Civilians mindset of using a firearm to safely flee, vs LEO/Military mindset to close and stop the threat.

Barack Obama’s gun frustration

Are we are winning or losing our firearms rights?

lock and load radio vs podcasts

bad- radio depends on critical equipment

good- radio provides syndication

good- radio offers a way for the listener to respond in real time

good- radio is a la cart

good- podcast is on demand and free

 

Paul-

Tony Simon of Simon Says Train

Tony, you have an event coming up called “The 2nd is for Everyone, when and what is that and could you talk about it a little please?

Tony, talk about your classes?  Where are they offered?  Who instructs with you?

You also helped in the recall of Senator Steve Sweeney.

2A activism by Tony Simon

You talked about the many sides of the NRA

SAF

JPFO

GOA

NJSAFE conference

Will we see you in Phoenix?

Where can people learn more about Simon Says Train and read your articles?

gun and gear review podcast- http://firearmsinsider.tv/podcast/

Where can our listeners find you? https://instagram.com/simonsaystrain/

http://www.online-instagram.com/user/simonsaystrain/1940421175

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Paul- Our first story is from Philadelphia.  A 19 year old appeared drunk or high on drugs when he told a group of older men to get off his block.  The 19 year old then pulled a gun and shot at the group.  One of the men had his concealed carry permit.  When the shooting was over, the 19 year old had fired twice and missed.  The concealed carry holder fired three times and hit the attacker in the neck, arms and abdomen.  The concealed carry holder called police, remained on the scene, and filed a report.  The 19 year old ran, but soon turned himself in at Temple University Hospital.  He is in critical condition.

 

Gary- Home Invader Shot – And Runs To Neighbor For Help

An estranged boyfriend tried to violently force his way into a woman’s Indianapolis, Indiana home. The woman’s brother, acting to defend his sister and her two children, shot the suspect as the door came crashing down. Instead of slinking off into the night like any other self-respecting dirtbag, the ventilated lover ran to a neighbor’s for help. The brother and then the police caught up to him there.

While this might seem like yet another Friday Night Folly, it does hold an important  lesson for the armed citizen. According to Massad Ayoob, the criminal or the deranged often feel wronged when the victim doesn’t play by their version of the rules. The real victim should be the first to notify the police to ensure that they have the first opportunity to claim victim – and justified shooter – status.

 

John- Burglar tries, tries again and is then shot
Jefferson Clement was having a frustrating night. He had tried unsuccessfully to jimmy three windows in his Augusta, Georgia apartment complex. The simple locks defeated the hapless thief. However, he did not let these setbacks dissuade him. No: he tried, tried again. And got shot for it.

The fourth window was unlocked. Unfortunately for the intrepid freelance tax-collector, the apartment was occupied by a resident with a gun. Ol’ Jeff was urged back out the window with a .380 hole in his leg. Clement was arrested at the hospital and will be charged with four counts of attempted burglary.

It’s refreshing to see signs of initiative in a Millennial. We wish this young man every success is his chosen career. NOT.

Rob- A Home Invader Disguised as a Cop is Shot by Homeowner
A Delaware man was shot and killed while disguised as a police officer and committing a home invasion near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Jamil A. Salahuddin, 34, of Wilmington, and another man also in a police uniform pointed guns at a man and a woman as they returned home just before midnight. They forced the couple inside and tied them with zip ties. The homeowner broke free and grabbed for Salahuddin’s gun. In the struggle, the male victim was shot in the arm and leg, but managed hit Salahuddin’s several times in the body and twice in the head. Salahuddin died at the scene; his accomplice fled.

Many of Salahuddin’s friends praised him as a “a great father, son, and husband.” However, he had a long police record for drug possession, forgery, resisting arrest, impersonation, receiving a stolen firearm and other gun offenses. In March 2014, he was arrested once again for a slew of felonies including firearm charges. He was scheduled to appear in court on those charges on Sept. 21 when he died assaulting the couple.

 

Residents were rocked by the incident. It is not know why a Delaware man would drive 90 miles to a sleepy little Pennsylvania town to commit a home invasion. There is no known connection between criminals and victims. Police have given no details about the police uniforms.

 

We can speculate that the criminals were planning something especially heinous, and literally wanted to distance themselves from the crime. We must also question why this hardened criminal was free to threaten the lives of innocents. Stay armed, stay observant; evil can come from very far away.

 

Paul- Texas Minister Shoots Assailant

(Whoever does this should read it as a Southern Baptist preacher.  Sell it!  If this is too cute, I can rewrite. Let me know.)

 

Finally, Pastor Benny Holmes was doing the Lord’s Work when he surprised an early morning burglar in his Baytown, Texas church. Lee Marvin Blue Jr. had several laptops on him when he met the pastor.  Pastor Holmes had arisen from the sleep of an innocent when he heard someone in the church. “I commanded him to stop twice, and he didn’t. So fearing for my life, I did what I had to do.”

It wasn’t lightning from the heavens, but a handgun that smote the sinner. Junior was pierced through the shoulder and fell prostrate in a pool of his own blood. “I led him through the sinner’s prayer while he was on the floor,” Pastor Holmes said. “He repeated the sinner’s prayer after me. And that was about it. I’m going to go visit him.” The many times repeat repentant sinner was borne up on the wings of a Life Flight helicopter and spirited to a hospital with non-life threatening injuries. This is not the first time the pastor’s rod has been the cause of salvation. He had previously assisted a package thieving Grandmother from the error of her ways by holding her at gunpoint for the police.

 

You gotta love Texas.  Say Hallelujah!

(And yes, I AM going to Hell. Consigned there by the Nuns decades ago.)

 

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Segment 5 Show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

HB 562 passed the NC Senate on Tuesday. It was our gun rights bill that gave us some, but not all, of the things we sought. The major thing that didn’t get through was the elimination of the pistol purchase permit system. Gun control groups are saying it was due to their pressure. This is a joke because it was due to power-hungry sheriffs reluctant to give up power and law & order Republicans who kow-towed to them. That said, I have no hesitation of saddling these Republicans with praise from gun banners as it won’t make their constituents very happy. Perhaps a few of them will see the error of their ways and perhaps a few will be defeated in primaries. We’ll see.

Rob- you took names?

John- Yes.

You can find these posts and more at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

Paul- We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bill Frady and Tony Simon for joining us today.  Rob, John, Gary, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.

 

Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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