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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday March 15th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop. And on tonights show we will talk with the guys from Reloading Radio about getting started in reloading.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the ATF backing off of the M855 proposed ban, for now.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a Texas man defends himself against 3 armed home invaders.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also have an interview with Melody Lauer about carrying for new mothers, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 318
of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
gary- Bought a gun safe.
John – went to my 3rd gun show in as many weeks and I still haven’t found how to buy a gun through the gun show loophole. It was a very small show but still fun. Gary will be pleased to know I finally found my Mission First stock. Or I should say my wife found it. My only problem now is it is for a milspec buffer tube and it has a commercial buffer tube on it.
Rob- took a friend gun shopping.. and went shopping for myself as well. Registered for a non-resident ccw class next Saturday. Worked a gun show for 2 days and gave up two competitions to do it. I met 199 friends and one guy who pissed me off. Put new springs in my wife’s guns.
Paul: Expected to be home for a 3 day weekend, and found out on Thursday that I would only be home on Friday and would be leaving again over the weekend to cover a dedicated run.
(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.
Seg 2- News
Paul- ATF Backs Down on M855 Ammo Ban – For Now
Early Tuesday afternoon, the BATFE tweeted out “You spoke, we listened. @ATFHQ plans more study on the proposed AP Ammo exemption framework.”
Listen, they did: Even the haughty, tone deaf Obama administration had to listen to the NRA, 52 Senators, 238 Representatives, 90,000 commentators, many police representatives and a huge swath of angry gun owners. They backed down. It was a stunning victory for the gun-rights coalition.
However, the ATF had only promised to withhold the regulation in order to “further study” the ban. Leaving it a possibility – in reality, a certainty – that the ban will be reintroduced in the future. Never ones to respect public opinion or the law, the administration almost immediately started to walk-back the temporary hold. According to White House spokeshole Josh Earnest, the president remains committed to common sense gun rules. Then the ATF Director told a Senate Appropriations Committee meeting that he considers all 5.56 NATO to be a threat to enforcement officers.and they hope to institute bullet bans in a “rational” manner Dozens of Democratic legislators are expected to sign a letter that will be sent to the ATF Director asking him to reconsider the plan. And Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) is pushing an Armor Piercing Bullets Act.
Many of the proposals would ban all AR-15 ammunition, relying on the old rubric of “cop-killer bullets”. By extension, almost every rifle caliber could be banned by the same faulty logic. And the Obama administration has another 22 months to work its phone and pen mischief. Gun rights advocates need to stay involved and active.
As Thomas Jefferson said; “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance of those sonsabritches.”
Rob-comment- 100 million sleeping gun owners.
John- Canadian Prime Minister Says Gun Laws Too Restrictive
Things might be getting better up there in America’s attic: Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said there are too many restrictions on gun ownership. He added that guns are something people use for recreation and the vast majority do so safely. They are important for the livelihoods of rural people, recreation and personal safety.
Harper was responding to questions about Bill C-42, the Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act. The act would curtail the discretionary authority of the Provinces’ chief firearms officers. “In some provinces, those firearms officers have exercised their authority in extremely arbitrary ways.” The legislation would also increase safety around the acquisition and use of firearms and deal with some of the bureaucracy and excessive red tape,” he said.
“We’ve brought in tough penalties for the criminal misuse of firearms,” Harper noted. “And I’m always amazed at our opponents who demand that we bring in … restrictions on law-abiding owners, but actually oppose us bringing in any penalties for people who actually commit crime using guns.”
It must be nice to have a rational chief executive.
Gary- Ohio Gun Laws Liberalized
Things are also getting better in the Buckeye State.
Ohio Governor John Kasich signed House Bill 234 into law. As of March 23rd, this bill amends a many of Ohio’s firearms laws and licensing regulations. Now, Ohioans with a concealed handgun license from another state will have that license recognized if that state has entered into a reciprocity agreement with Ohio. For new residents with a concealed handgun license from another state without a reciprocity agreement, the out-of-state license will be recognized in Ohio for six months. After that, the resident will need to obtain an Ohio CCW license.
Fortunately, the new law has also made it easier to get Ohio’s CCW license. The new law reduces the amount of training time for a CCW license from 12 to 8 hours – and removes the residency requirements. Additionally, if the requirements imposed by another state are “substantially comparable” to Ohio, the other state’s license will now be recognized.
Ohio’s definition of automatic firearms has also been changed and eliminates the de-facto ban on magazines capable of holding more than 31 cartridges. Also, Ohioans can now purchase a long gun from anywhere in the United States. Similarly, all non-Ohioans can now buy from the state’s dealers.
There is more. A detailed list of the firearm-related changes taking place in Ohio beginning March 23 can be found in our show notes. Also stay tuned for an upcoming intervew with Gary Slider of www.handgunlaw.us on an upcoming episode where we talk about these changes. (http://www.lsc.ohio.gov/analyses130/14-hb234-130.pdf.)
Rob- Why are Gun Control Advocates So Violent?
Allegedly, anti-gun filmmaker, Skye Fitzgerald of Spin Films, attacked and hospitalized pro-gun YouTube videographer William Saunderson.
The two had met at a restaurant to discuss the unexpected anti-gun bias of Fitzgeralds’ Oregon Divided documentary, to which Saunderson had contributed. During that meeting, Fitzgerald became upset over the legal recording of the discussion. A small brawl ensued as Fitzgerald allegedly took two of Saunderson’s cameras. The fracas continued into the parking lot where Fitzgerald allegedly knocked Saunderson to the pavement, breaking his arm and shoulder. Fitzgerald then allegedly fled with the two cameras.
After taking time to Tweet about the altercation with several anti-gun Oregon politicians and a lobbyist for Michael Bloomberg, Fitzgerald turned himself in to police and was charged with several misdemeanors and a felony.
For whatever reason, there seem to be a common thread to the interactions over gun issues: gun-rights proponent facing irrational, emotional overwrought anti-gun activists. There have been too many instances where death threats, violence, illogic and emotion have issued from the anti-gunners. Fortunately, the pro-rights crowd has largely conducted themselves well.
Paul- Glock Single Stack 9mm
This coming Friday, Glock will hold a press conference at their US headquarters. The web is buzzing that Glock will finally announce their single stack micro 9mm. The long anticipated G43 is said to be just a few millimeters larger than the .380 G42, with the same 6+1 capacity.
The concealed carry market has demanded a 9mm pocket Glock for years. Even though they are very late to market, if Glock has used those years to perfect the little gun, they will have a world beater on their hands. Concealed carriers will be happily swamping the gun counters.
Full disclosure: Charlie Foxtrot has been a rabid Glock Fanboy since 1986
Gary- Here is our weekly Gun Quote. “If you think a theater filled with unarmed people against a lone gunman is scary, imagine a disarmed populace against a tyrannical government.”
Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.
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Segment 3 Interviews
#1 What should someone know before they start reloading.
#2 Rifle reloading vs pistol reloading.
#3 what should I expect to pay for equipment. What about buying used?
#4 I have heard that you don’t save any money reloading, that in truth you just get to shoot more, true?
Melody Blogs at Limatunes’ Range Diaries – Where she records her opinions, trainings and the experiences of a wife, mother and woman with a gun. Melody decided she needed training if she was going to carry. Now she’s a firearms instructor. Her youtube channel has over a hundred videos. https://www.youtube.com/user/limalife/videos
Melody, you have three children and recently put on a training class for new parents called “Babywearing and Carrying” I saw the comments on your class and thought your experience was a litmus test of the right of self-defense. A lot of people who are not a new parent became experts on what you should do.
Melody, bring our listeners up to speed and tell them more about you..
Blogging for 9 years. Instructing for 7 years. Been a mom for 6 years. I put on the course I wanted to take about being a parent who carries. Let’s train for success.
We had a mix of moms and dads for our class.
Next course is on the 28th of March. Working on an armed parents seminar that would run 2 days.
What is the name of the range where you instruct? Crossroads shooting sports.
Where do you podcast?
Limatunes range diaries on facebook. https://www.facebook.com/LimatunesRangeDiary
Where do you blog? https://limatunesrangediaries.wordpress.com/
Segment 4 DGUs
John- Mother Defends her Daughter
A Newport News, Virginia mother used a gun to defend herself and her 2 year old daughter from a home invader. “I knew the cops would get there quickly, but maybe not get there quickly enough, and I wanted to be able to defend us.” She believes because she had a gun in her house, she and her toddler are safe today.
The woman didn’t hesitate to pull the trigger, thanks to trips to the gun range with her husband. He is a James City County police officer, and was on duty when a 25-year-old man broke a window and entered the home. The woman was on the phone with the 911 operator when the invader came at her, forcing her to shoot. The suspect was taken to an area hospital with possible life-threatening injuries. The woman and her daughter were not injured.
“Had I not been able to protect myself with the gun, I don’t know what he would have done to me,” she said. “I don’t know what he would have done to my daughter, there’s no telling, but I’ll never have to find out because I stopped the situation.”
Because of her courage, and her husband’s foresight, their little girl will grow up.
Video: Full interview with mother
Gary- California Dreamin’
A man defended four members of his family when a crazed white guy (their words) kicked in the door of their apartment and threatened them all with a shard of glass. The resident shot the intruder in both legs with one shot from a M1 Carbine, earning significant style points. The drug crazed man was found by police bleeding severely nearby. He was arrested and taken to the hospital.
During the investigation, the resident was questioned for an hour and then released. No charges are expected to be filed.
Even in crazy California, the cops can do the right thing when a resident also does the right thing.
Rob- Dallas Convenience Store Manager Shoots Two Armed Robbers
The night manager of a Dallas, Texas Stop ‘n’ Rob convenience store was forced to draw his concealed weapon and shoot two armed attackers when they assaulted an employee. One robber was shot in the arm, while the other was shot in the face. One is in serious condition, the other is critical.
Police say the shooting appears justified and the manager will not be charged.
Paul Home Invasion Leaves A Robber Dead, Homeowner Injured, and a Divided Community
A home invasion turned into a desperate fight for life, leaving an intruder dead, the homeowner critically injured, and a divided community.
In the rural Texas community of Teague, a trio of robbers kicked open a door an hour and a half after midnight. At least one of the invaders was armed, and shot the homeowner in the lower abdomen. Doug Hurst returned the fire, striking and mortally wounding one of his assailants. The criminal died in the home’s backyard, a semi-auto handgun nearby. His two accomplices ran, but were arrested within hours. Hurst is in critical condition, in a medically induced coma. The dead man’s accomplices have been charged with armed robbery, and may be charged with murder for the death of their partner, with another murder charge likely if Hurst dies from his wounds.
Disturbingly, friends and family members of deceased robber/ attempted murderer are defending him in the comments of a news article. The commentators dismiss the robbery as a bad decision or a bad choice, claiming that the felon didn’t deserve to die, and that people should be “respectful” in how they discuss him. Several have threaten people who disagree with them.
What can be said about a portion of society that no longer feels the stigma of a violent, armed invasion and attempted murder of an innocent man in his home? These are strange times indeed.
John- Woman Threatened With Dirty Needle
Things are also getting a little weird in Socastee, South Carolina. A woman at a drive-up ATM was assaulted by a man armed with a dirty hypodermic needle. The woman told police she pulled out her handgun and stuck it in the suspect’s face saying “I dare you to stab me!” The suspect didn’t dare and ran off. The woman called 911 and tried to follow the would-be robber, but lost him.
Although very long on moxie, the woman was apparently a little short on situational awareness, as surveillance cameras recorded the man lurking as she drove up. Still, kudos to her for her courage and spirit.
Gary- Homeowner and Police Shoot at Home Invaders
Police and a homeowner returned fire when two break-in bandits fired at a policeman.
A Brentwood, Florida homeowner was called at work by his two teenage children frightened by men knocking and ringing the doorbell. While the kids were on the phone the men broke open the door. The father arrived at the house at the same time as the first responding officer. They went to opposite sides of the home. The police officer confronted a robber coming out of a window, who ignored the cop’s Taser and ran into the backyard. The robber then shot at the officer, who returned fire with his sidearm. The homeowner also fired his gun.
Arriving backup found the resident and a neighbor holding a wounded suspect at gunpoint. Precisely who shot the bad guy is not known at this time. The robber’s accomplice is still at large.
It’s likely the two robbers were the ones that stole guns from the same house the day before. In the strange world of thieves, they often return to the scene of a previous crime, seeking a comfortable familiarity, an aura of a past success, and regretting the items they were forced to leave behind the first time.
Rob- Woman Shoots at Three Home Invaders
A woman defended her life by shooting at three invaders in her home on the mean streets of Detroit’s East Side. A wounded suspect is in custody and police are seeking the other two. Neighbors were very supportive, with one prior victim hoping that more people would fight back against the criminals.
Detroit police say the woman is cooperating with detectives.
Paul – Armed Robber Corralled by Wrestling Star’s Husband
And finally in the feel good story of the week; a punk was robbing a Chicago eatery when he found out the hard way a patron was a former bouncer and the husband of a World Wrestling Entertainment performer. Lee Varon grabbed the hapless robber from behind. Varon held the robber off the ground for several moments before disarming him and then body slamming him to the ground. There, he held the struggling perpetrator until police finally arrived to take him into custody.
The only possible way it could have been better is if there were a couple of deadfalls and a pile-driver or two.
As Varon’s wife, WWE star Victoria said; “I think that guy crossed the wrong person.”
Rob- comment- My friends are bouncers. They are trained not to punch if they can avoid it. Varon had situational awareness that the gunman was behaving erratically.
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Segment 5 Show close
John- Listener e-mail discussion
I Drive a tractor trailer for United Parcel Service. I’m fortunate to get many hours a day to listen to podcasts Yours is one of my favorite podcasts.
I’m going to be a little bit selfish here and make a request. Is it possible for Rob and John when they talk about their blogs to mention the web address or even include the links in the podcast description?
Hudson Valley New York
I enjoy listening to your show. Thank you for everything you put into the podcast.
Your summary of the current national reciprocity bills stated that for two of them, the concealed carrier must have a license from his or her home state, or otherwise be allowed to carry in their home state without one. I don’t believe this is accurate.
All four bills, as I read them, would allow someone with a non-resident license or permit to carry in any state other than his or her resident state. So a NJ resident, for instance, with only a FL license, could carry anywhere in the nation except his/her home state of NJ.
Of course, all bills leverage the commerce clause and assume the person is carrying a firearm that has been involved in foreign or interstate commerce.
There are minor variations between them. A couple of the bills allow residents of states that can carry legally in their home state without a license (such as VT), to carry elsewhere as well, without the need to obtain a license.
For example, S.498 says the following:
(1) an individual who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the individual to carry a concealed firearm, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce in any State other than the State of residence of the individual that–
“(A) has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms; or
“(B) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes; and
“(2) an individual who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and is entitled and not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm in the State in which the individual resides otherwise than as described in paragraph (1), may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce in any State other than the State of residence of the individual that–
“(A) has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms; or
“(B) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes.
A key phrase in S.498, which is mirrored in the others, is this: “…and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the individual to carry a concealed firearm…” The text refers to “a State,” not “the State of residence.” This phraseology is used in all four bills.
You’ll also note that in the bill quoted above:
– Conditions specified in paragraph 1 would qualify an IL resident with a CCL or a NJ resident with only a FL license, for example, to carry in other states. (The NJ resident would still likely be unable to carry within NJ since licenses there are practically non-existent.) This is consistent throughout all four bills.
– Conditions specified in paragraph 2 would qualify a VT or AK resident without any carry license, for example, to carry in other states, as long as they aren’t otherwise prohibited. This provision is included in S.498 and H.R.923, but not in H.R.986 nor in H.R.402.
If my interpretation is incorrect, please let me know.
Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
I wrote an article about why the ATF backed down when they tried to ban rifle ammunition. They are afraid of waking up america’s gun owners. Let’s face it. Gun owners have been politically asleep for the last 20 years. There are 100 million of us. Even in California, gun owners could determine all statewide offices. The article is up at my blog at slowfacts.wordpress.com. All of my firearms articles are also at Ammoland. If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you’ll see me as a regular contributor.
John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?
I’d like to mention a comment of the day post featuring something by Hershel Smith of the Captain’s Journal. He said, “Here’s a warning flag to all the Elmer Fudds out there who only care about your bolt action hunting rifles, and think this stuff about AR-15s is all just a bunch of made up theater to bother pampered folk like you. They want your rifles and ammunition too. You do understand that, don’t you?” We really need to remember this is about all of us – Gun Culture 1.0 and Gun Culture 2.0, hunters and non-hunters alike, if we don’t stick together, we’ll hang together. This post and others are up at onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com
Melody Lauer contacted us and asked us to promote a contest she is running. Take a firearms safety course, be entered to win a FREE quick-access safe. She is giving away a gun safe if participants get four hours of training.
That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Melody-? and ?
(Guests) for joining us today.
co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it.
Next week, Sanda Muldoon and Sherry Spivak of the New Jersey Second Amendment women will join us. So will George Hill. Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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