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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on day month year. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Ben Branham of the Modern Self Protection podcast about handgun training.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s A son gives his mother a handgun as a gift, and one week later she needs to use it.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we report on an Oklahoma criminal painting his firearm like a child’s toy.

Rachel: so climb aboard

Gary H: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul: episode 313 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – We are recording this one immediately after the finish of the Daytona 500. I am half paying attention to the beginning of the race and half working on show notes, so if you hear something wonky, it is probably my fault.  Nothing gun related this week other than working a bit on the training classes that are coming up in Sioux Falls this year and looking at bulk ammo prices. I figure that I need to have about 4500 rounds of .40 to keep supply up and actually a little ahead before the summer of 2015 ends.  I don’t reload so I am going to have to go with new or remanufactured ammo. The best price I have found to this point is from a company called LAX ammunition at $239.00 for a 1000 round case.

 

Rob-  I wrote to my legislators about the ATF ammo ban.  NRA stop ATF ban of common ammunition- https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150218/your-action-urgently-needed-to-prevent-batfe-from-banning-common-rifle-ammunition

 

I spoke at a political meeting on Tuesday and asked the audience to go to a local planning commission meeting.  We filled the building, and the hall, and the outside patio with supporters for a new gun range.  The commision voted against the range permits, so the requests will go to the city council.

 

I dropped off some materials for Gun Owners of California at a gun shop.  That gun shop will start a new chapter of  “A girl and a gun” club in April.  I helped spread the word.

 

I went to a second gun store with a friend.  This gunsmith was working on my friends gun for almost two months and then decided he couldn’t do the work.  I like to use local merchants, but that was unprofessional.

 

Got my IDPA scores back.  I placed 5th out of 22.

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

 

Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced – May 16th-17th 2015

Citizen First Response – Aug 1-2 2015

Cornered Cat Aug 16th – 17th. Email Susan@politicsandguns.com

 

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Seg 2- News

 

-Tucson Police received many complaints over the last few months.  They knew they had a drug house in the neighborhood.  They ordered everyone out of the house as a suspect dashed over the back fence and into the arms of waiting police.  The suspect threw down his firearm and was arrested.  Officers noticed something different about the suspect’s gun.  The tip of the firearm was painted orange to resemble a toy gun.

That is why we have to ask legislators what they thought would happen when they passed mandatory marking laws on kid’s guns.  Were the legislators so stupid to believe criminals would suddenly obey the law?

 

Law enforcement, must be held to the same standard as civilians.  You and I may legally use deadly force only when there is an immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent.

 

Gary- A civilian as well as a police officer must be able to articulate ability, opportunity and jeopardy before they use lethal force.

Ability means that the other person has the power to kill or to cripple you.

Opportunity means that the circumstances are such that the other person would be able to use his ability against you.

Jeopardy means that the other person’s actions or words provide you with a reasonably perceived belief that he intends to kill you or cripple you.

 

Any other standard leaves us shooting the wrong person or becoming a victim.

-We had Dean Weingarten on the last episode.  He compared the safety rates of concealed carry holders and police.  Here are more facts from the Minnesota gun owners civil rights alliance.

• Only 0.2% of all violent crimes… committed with ANY weapon in Minnesota were committed by a legally armed Minnesotan.  So out of all criminals, gun owners are one out of 500.
• Only 8/100th of 1% of Minnesota Permit to Carry holders committed any sort of a violent crime in 2013.  Out of all minnesota permit owners,  less than one in a thousand committed any sort of violent crime.
• Only 1/100th of 1% of Minnesota Permit to Carry holders used a firearm in a violent crime in 2013.  One out of ten thousand minnesota permit holders used a gun in a violent crime.  Those numbers are so small it is hard to understand them.  Look at the danger of concealed carry holders this way-
• You’re 25 times more likely to be hit by lightning than assaulted by a legally armed Minnesotan.
• In fact, you’re 14 1/2 times more likely to be assaulted by a random stranger on the street – than you are by a legally armed Minnesotan.

Law abiding gun owners are not a safety problem.  They are the solution.

Rachel- It is obvious to us, but some media outlets uncritically post the distorted statistics used by the anti-rights groups.  John Lott tore apart the misleading statistics and pointed out their errors.  The anti-rights groups said the examples of justified self-defense showed gun owners were dangerous.  The anti-rights groups also counted a defensive gun use several times if the shooting and court case ran from one year into another.  We try hard to bring you the truth.

 

Rob- We need to ban hotdogs.  More children die from choking on their food than from accidental deaths caused by a firearm.  Protect us from unregistered bratwurst.

 

It is the truth.  All right, I’ll be serious for a minute.  Private gun owners acting in self-defense shoot more criminals than the police.  We also kill more criminals in self-defense than the police.  That is because criminals attack civilians much more often than they attack policemen.  If you study the statistics from law abiding towns, half of the shootings will be from firearms owners protecting themselves.  The police are involved in the other half.  In dangerous towns the shootings are from criminals shooting each other.

 

-This news is from the Colorado state senator who proposed constitutional carry.  Senator Vicki Marble said, quote “SB32 allows a person who legally possesses a handgun under state and federal law to carry a concealed handgun in Colorado, whether the handgun is loaded or unloaded. I don’t know why someone would want to carry a concealed unloaded handgun but there may be someone who would like to, and, if that is the case, then he/she can do that as legally as if it were a loaded handgun.

“The reason this Bill had no other sponsors is because it is the first Bill I introduced this session. There are many first Bills that have no other sponsors on them. This is merely due to the fact that we were not in session and didn’t get access to legislators the way we do when we are at the Capitol full time.

“All Republicans signed on as Co-Sponsors in the Senate after third reading.  We have great second amendment support in the Senate !

“The House Sponsor is Rep. Kim Ransom. She will do an excellent job. I am sure we will have all House Republicans signing on to this Bill if it should see third reading in the House”  close quote.

I like this Senator’s attitude.  I hope our Colorado listeners support her.

 

Rob- IDPA! Gun puzzles.

 

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-Missouri citizens passed an amendment that required strict scrutiny for firearms laws.  Some politicians and police chief don’t like the results.

The law says  “Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the general assembly from enacting general laws which limit the rights of convicted violent felons or those adjudicated by a court to be a danger to self or others as a result of a mental disorder or mental infirmity.”  A missouri police chief said that mean only individuals convicted of violent felonies can face felon-in-possession restrictions.  Not all prosecutors agree with that conclusion.

 

Rob- could this stop the firearms prohibition for old drug possession crimes.

 

-NY doesn’t like knives.  You can be arrested in New York city for owning a small pocket knife that fits on your key chain.  Meanwhile, New York has seen some of the most militaristically-armed police forces in the nation.  Now New York State Senator Tony Avella said he’ll introduce a bill to ban the possession of long, fixed blades in New York, including the ever-scary, and Hollywood-demonized machete.  “The fact that anyone can easily purchase this potentially lethal tool is just crazy,” the senator said.

 

Rob- Why are we surprised?  Governor Cuomo said that people who believe in self-protection don’t belong in New York.

 

-We were told how guns cause crime and we would be safer in a gun free zone.  New statistics are now out.  They show how dangerous it is to be in the the Maryland state prison system.  The prison system is the ultimate gun free zone.. where the murder rate is three times the national average.

 

-It looks like the Cumberland county New Jersey sheriff’s department decided  the department  looks bad for them to charge a 70 plus year old man with a felony for possessing a 300 plus year old flintlock pistol.  The sheriff’s department went on the offense this week by publicly  speculating that the suspect, retired teacher Gordon Van Gilder, was a druggie.  This despite the fact that up to the point that we record this show that the firearm possession charge is the only crime Mr Van Gilder is charged with.  The best part of the story that we found in the Daily Mail was quote by attorney Evan Nappen.  “Obviously, flintlocks are the weapon of choice for drug dealers. My [72-year-old severely] arthritic client was given a ride to [retrieve] his 18th century antique. He is not on drugs, but the folks who made New Jersey’s gun laws may well have been.”

 

– Thanks to the group  “Jews Can Shoot” for pointing out this next story for us! The Houston Chronicle is stretching things a bit  as they fight against campus carry in Texas. In the February 21st editorial they ran a piece that claimed that it would cost “tens of millions of dollars” to implement concealed carry on campus, with most of the cost being the beefing up of police on campus. Of course that money would come from things like cancer research.

 

Rob-comment- I saw this before.  College administrators will choose the most restrictive and expensive alternatives to simply allowing concealed carry on campus.

 

Rachel- except for Texas A&M.  They encouraged campus carry.  Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp told Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick he has no objection to the Campus Carry Bill now pending in the Texas State Senate.  Chancellor Sharp wrote to the Lt Governor and said, ““Having licensed gun owners in possession of legal weapons on our campuses does not raise safety concerns for me personally.  The real question is this: ‘Do I trust my students, faculty and staff to work and live responsibly under the same laws at the university as they do at home?’ Of course I do!”

https://files.ctctcdn.com/0192eb9a001/226dbd40-c257-4cb9-abc9-bc8ec552695e.pdf

 

Paul Gun Quotes- Liberalizing concealed carry laws won’t lead to a return to the Wild West- though it wouldn’t be bad if it did.  In 19th century cattle towns, homicide was confined to transient males who shot each other in saloon disturbances. The per capita robbery rate was 7% of modern New York City’s. The burglary rate was 1%. Rape was unknown. – That is from David Kopel who is the Research Director of the Independence Institute.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with Ben Branam!

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Segment 3 Interviews

Ben Branam – Host of the Modern Self Protection podcast.

1. Getting excited about the beyond concealed carry enhanced class that you and Bob Mayne are going to be doing in Sioux Falls. You guys have recently started traveling to do classes, so for those that aren’t in the Texas area what is the beyond concealed carry enhanced class about and what can they expect?  Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced – May 16th-17th 2015
2. Your training with the government was a lot of rifle and teamwork, with contracting you got some training with handgun. How does that transfer over to teaching civilians for civilian use?
3. I want to talk a little bit about your most recent show that I have listened to about parking your car.  I have found in my own experience that it is important to park in a way such that you can drive out rather than back out, and that you may have to practice backing to be able to do that every time.
4. Since you work part time in a gun shop now, let me ask you what has come out recently that you really like?

Segment 4 DGUs

-This news story was sent in by listener Scott from Houston, Texas.  A Northwest Houston apartment resident called police early in the moring  to report he had just shot a burglar. Police found the burglar with a gunshot wound to the head. They also found signs of forced entry to the door and window of the second-floor apartment. Several intruders broke down the door and fought with the homeowner before the homeowner defended himself.  The other thieves ran.  The burglar was taken to a local hospital for treatment. The homeowner was questioned, but not charged. Neighbors say this isn’t the first time something like this has happened at their apartment complex.  One resident’s home was robbed earlier in the week.  Another resident had his car broken into as well as his appartment.

 

Rob- I’m loud and proud ‘caus I carry a 45?

 

-Our parents are growing older.  A woman in Columbus, Ohio had recently become a widow.  Her son was concerned for her safety as she lived alone.  It isn’t a safe neighborhood, and they bought a gun for her a week ago.  At about 5 in the morning a thief broke into a home across the street.  The homeowners pushed him back outside through a second story window.  A few minutes later, the widow across the street heard someone break into her home by smashing through her front window.  She shot the intruder.  The intruder was taken to a local hospital and died a few hours later.

 

-We’ve reported in the past that the mere presence of a firearm is sometimes all that is necessary to stop a crime.  When Christopher Harjo came into Debi’s Filling Station restaurant in Okmulgee, OK Tuesday morning, he was looking for a fight. He confronted one of their customer and then pulled a knife on the man. That is is when another customer who was a concealed carry holder stepped in. According to waitress Dayna Rucker, he drew his gun and said to her, ‘He’s got a knife. Put your knife away. I have a gun.” He had a concealed-carry license and he was very clear about what he had.” Harjo, who it seems was quite drunk, sobered up enough to realize that a gun beats a knife and he ran out of the restaurant into the arms of an Okmulgee police officer who just arrived. Harjo faces several charges including assault with a deadly weapon. Restaurant employees were very grateful that the patron was armed and able to stop the potential attack.

 

-A pharmacist in Pinch, West Virginia had walked away from the pharmacy counter when a customer pulled a gun on two other pharmacy clerks and said this was a hold-up.  The pharmacist moved towards the employees and the gunman, and then the pharmacist drew his own firearm.  The pharmacist shot the robber in the chest.  The robber ducked, but raised his firearm.  That was when the robber was shot again.  There were eight customers in the store.  The robber fled into the store rather than running out the door immediately behind him.  The pharmacist shot again, and this time struck the robbers firearm..  The robber was taken to a local hospital where he died of his injuries.  The pharmacist was back in the store the next day.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Jeff Armstrong emailed this one in

Wild pigs; A parable and a fact.

One day while in class at a large college, a professor noticed one young man, an exchange student, who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.  The professor asked the young man what was the matter.

The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country’s government and install a new communist regime.

In the midst of his story, the student looked at the professor and asked a strange question, “Do you know how to catch wild pigs?”

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.  The young man assured the professor that his question was no joke and went on to say.

“You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free corn.

When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence.

They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side.

The pigs, which are now used to and want the free corn, eventually begin to come through the gate to get to the free corn.

When all the pigs get inside, you slam the gate and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They are confused and run around inside the fence, but soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.”

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America .

The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, welfare entitlements, medicine, drugs, etc., while we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time.

God help us all when the gate slams shut!

Marx once said, “Remove one freedom per generation and soon you will have no freedom and no one would have noticed.”

 

Thank you, Jeff.

 

Tony emailed this one in

Paul,

I would like to thank you for announcing the Black History Month shoot on your podcast. It was a success, I will be hosting more of these shoots. We had a respectable number of people show up for an event that only had 2 weeks advanced notice.  Three young men had never held a gun before but after shooting various Ruger 10/22s, a Henry lever action in 22LR and various handguns they are fans of the sport. Myself and Sean, of BlackBagResources.com, shared our knowledge of New Jersey gun laws and the various organizations that fights against new laws. They were also informed of how easy and how important it is to contact legislators and make their voices heard. I would like to thank Anthony Colandro, from Gun For Hire in Woodland Park NJ and Sean Fisher of BlackBagResources.com for their help. More events will take place in the future and I would appreciate the help of The Polite Society podcast.

Thank you,

Tony

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Ben Branam for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

1. Treat every firearm as if it’s loaded.
2. Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.
4. Always be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday February 8th 2015. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Reed Snyder of the AR15 podcast about his impressions of Shot Show

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a Yale university study that says getting shot may not be so random

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU segment we’ll cover a hitchhiker that brought a knife to a gunfight.

Rachel: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Gary: and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 309 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – This is the 3 year anniversary of the show. Feb 3rd 2012 I hit “record” for the first time.

Hello to Brian Williams

John – I didn’t get a chance to go shooting any this week. I did order a Ruger LC9s Pro as a carry gun for generally non-permissive environments. I used the cash that I brought to Vegas that I didn’t spend gambling which was virtually all of it for the pistol. We spent the weekend with my step-daughter who is due to give birth to our first grandchild in less than 2 weeks. All is well and we are getting more and more excited.

Rachel- Spent the past few days recovering from the flu…just happy to be mostly well now.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

May 16th and 17th Bob Mayne and Ben Branham BCC (handgun world dot com)

Aug 1 and 2 Ken Kowalski, Jon Hodoway and Chaz Murray Citizen First Response (Nighthawk Custom Training dot com)

Aug 15th and 16th Kathy Jackson (Susan at politics and guns dot com)

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– A new study of those with non-fatal gunshot wounds in Chicago has some interesting findings. The study by researchers from Yale University found that the likelihood of being shot was not random. Rather it depended a lot on who you associated with. The researchers found that only 6% of those arrested were arrested with someone else at the same time. However, this 6% accounted for 70% of the non-fatal gunshot wounds over a six year period. Similar results were found in an earlier study of fatal gunshot victims. The study appears in the January 2015 issue of Social Science and Medicine.

– There was a shooting last night – Saturday – in a Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania mall that left three wounded, two critically. Dr. John Lott, who has been on the show in the past, notes that like earlier shootings in other malls this shooting took place in posted against guns. Yet again, a so-called gun free zone is anything but. In a change from the past, the AP reported the fact that guns were banned at the Monroeville Mall.

–The North Dakota House approved legislation on Tuesday that would allow firearms in schools. The bill would allow North Dakota residents with a carry permit to carry in the school if they had the school’s permission. The bill passed 53-38. The bill’s sponsor Rep. Dwight Kiefert said that allowing firearms in schools would increase security especially in rural schools. He added, ““Most school shootings are over in five minutes. If you don’t have someone at the school, law enforcement’s role will only be an investigation.” The bill was opposed by several school administrators and school board officials. A similar bill passed in 2013 but was killed in the State Senate.

–A limited campus carry bill has stalled in the Arkansas House. The House Education Committee split 10 to 10 on advancing the bill. It was Republicans supporting the bill and Democrats opposing it. The bill would have allowed college professors with concealed carry permits to bring their guns on campus. The bill was opposed by university chancellors. Joel Anderson, chancellor of the U. of Arkansas – Little Rock said, “I do not want to have several hundred employees on campus carrying guns.”

–Gun control showed its racist stripes in an interview at the Aspen Institute on Friday. In a long ranging discussion touching on topics such as legal marijuana and guns, Michael Bloomberg claimed that  95 percent of murders fall into a specific category: male, minority and between the ages of 15 and 25. Cities need to get guns out of this group’s hands and keep them alive, he said.

“These kids think they’re going to get killed anyway because all their friends are getting killed,” Bloomberg said. “They just don’t have any long-term focus or anything. It’s a joke to have a gun. It’s a joke to pull a trigger.”

–The anti-gunners in Congress are still beating the drum for a 10-round magazine limit. Rep. Elizabeth Esty of Connecticut and Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey introduced the Large Ammunition Feeding Device Act on Thursday. It would “include not only traditional box magazines, but also any, “belt, drum, helical feeding device, or similar…” than can be converted or made to accept more than the allowed round limit.”  The bill is not expected to go anywhere and, like most bills, is a publicity device for their sponsors.

–Speaking of anti-gun politicians, California State Sen. Leland Yee is facing more charges. A Federal Grand Jury has issued a second superceding indictment against Yee. He and his co-conspirator are accused of depositing money from his gun running into his Sec. of State campaign account. The new charge accuses Yee of conspiracy to commit money laundering.

Gun Quotes

“I began teaching my son how to shoot when he was two, starting with the basics of a BB rifle. My theory is that kids get into trouble because of curiosity–if you don’t satisfy it, you’re asking for big problems. If you inform them and carefully instruct them on safety when they’re young, you avoid a lot of the trouble. My son has learned to respect weapons. I’ve always told him, if you want to use a gun, come get me. There’s nothing I like better than shooting.” –Chris Kyle

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with an interview with REed Snyder of the AR 15 Podcast.

Segment 3 Interviews

Reed Snyder of the AR15 Podcast is our guest this evening.

Segment 4 DGUs

-(Knife to Gunfight)  A Henderson County [KY] resident taught a hitchhiker a valuable lesson: Never bring a knife to a gun fight. Henderson police said Corydon resident Raymond Givens, 45, was driving in the area of Henderson Community College around 1 a.m. last Friday when he stopped to pick up a hitchhiker. Givens told authorities that the male hitchhiker pulled a butcher knife on Givens and demanded his wallet. Givens then pulled his handgun on the hitchhiker and told him to get out of his vehicle.  At that point, the male hitchhiker jumped out of the car and started running towards Corydon.

-(Employees Defend Themselves) A suspected robber was rushed to the hospital Friday afternoon after he was shot during an attempted robbery. Memphis Tennessee Police responded to a shots fired call shortly before 3:30 p.m. Two people were working inside of the home when two other men entered and attempted to rob the workers at gunpoint. One of the robbery victims then shot one of the suspects. The wounded suspect was transferred to Regional One in critical condition. The other suspect fled the scene and is still on the run as of Friday evening. The workers were with Americas Best Carpet and Tile Cleaning.

-(Reader submitted DGU) Chris sent our next DGU in to us. Reading right from the Guns n freedom dot com website.

An 11-year-old girl was able to scare off a suspect — later taken into custody — during a home invasion in Lapeer County’s North Branch Township.

Deputies from the Lapeer County Sheriff’s Department responded around 3:45 p.m. Friday, Jan. 30 to a Five Lakes Road home where the girl was home alone when a vehicle pulled into the driveway.

A Lapeer County Sheriff’s Office news release states one person knocked on all the doors and forced their way inside the home when there was no response. The girl locked herself inside a bathroom closet with a shotgun.

The suspect eventually opened the bathroom door and closet where the child was hiding with the weapon. The girl aimed the shotgun at the suspect, who then fled from the home.

Police said the girl was not harmed during the encounter.

The suspect’s vehicle was located around 30 minutes later in Imlay City by local police, with assistance from the Almont Police Department, Michigan State Police and Lapeer County Sheriff’s deputies.

Two occupants in the vehicle — a 53-year-old Detroit man and 31-year-old Detroit woman — were taken into custody without any resistance and remain at the Lapeer County Jail pending formal charges.

The case remains under investigation by the Lapeer County Sheriff’s Office.

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

This one came in today from Tony.

Black History Month Diversity Shoot at Gun For Hire range

 

I am hosting a pro Second amendment shoot at Gun For Hire range located in Woodland Park NJ of February 19th. The 50 yard indoor range will be reserved for a group of twenty participants to shoot from 6pm – 8pm. Range fees are $25 per hour.

This event is to raise the awareness of non-stereotypical firearms enthusiast to the difference they can make in New Jersey’s political scene. This event is open to all people that are pro-2A, we can only win against the gun-control zealots if we are united.

I will be there with Sean Fisher from Black Bag Resources.com to hand out literature and answer questions about joining the NRA, NJ2AS or ANJRPC. He and I have been or are members of all three.

The range charges $25 an hour to shoot there and they have everything you need to have a great time. They have rental guns, ammo, targets, safety equipment plus range officers to help insure a safe environment for everyone. Rental and ammo are an addition fee.

I would like to thank Anthony Colandro from Gun For Hire for all of his help. I also want to thank Sean from Black Bag Resources.

Thank you,

Tony

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Jeff sent me a link to a YouTube video. Apparently Speer G2 ammo is out. The YouTube video that is linked isn’t very complimentary of it, and being one that chooses Speer Gold Dot for my own carry ammunition that is concerning to me.  I like what they are trying to do, but will wait for more testing to come in.

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Kevin sent in an update to a Christmas morning shooting in the Anaheim area. It seems that the homeowner will not be charged after shooting a home invader.

I love this portion of the story taken from the OC Register website.

While several legal and self-defense experts questioned whether the shooting was justified, many concluded that the District Attorney would not file charges against the homeowner.

Lawrence Rosenthal, a former federal prosecutor and criminal law professor at Chapman University, said prosecutors would have a tough time convincing a jury that homeowner committed a criminal act.

“Once the burglary is over, the right to use deadly force disappears, but as a practical matter, jurors are going to be very much on the side of the homeowner, thinking, ‘I probably would have done the same thing in those circumstances’ and they will want to acquit,” Rosenthal said.

There is more to the story, check our show notes to get the link to read up on it yourself.

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John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

Before I went to SHOT Show, I had been thinking about doing a post that contrasted the booth babes – pretty girls, skimpy clothing, don’t know much about the product – with the accomplished women of shooting like Julie Golob and the like. In a time when women are the real growth segment of the gun culture, booth babes are out of date.

I did the post but it didn’t come out like I thought it would. I really didn’t see the booth babes while I was at SHOT. To me, that was a pleasant surprise. I think this is because the industry is maturing and the marketing departments recognize the role of women in the gun culture.

The post has been tweeted and mentioned by Julie Golob amongst other which makes me very happy.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Reed Snyder for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Superbowl Sunday February 1st 2014 , I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about one of Bloomberg’s anti-gun groups messing up again, and this time it could land them in court.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the possible end of Operation Choke Point
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a 74 year old successfully defends himself against a home invader
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and we also have a lot of listener email to cover.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul:  Episode 308 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I cut my hand.  I couldn’t type, or go to the range or dry practice.  I’ve been talking about us so much that I ran out of podcast business cards.
John – The only thing shooting related is that I used a discount coupon that I picked up at SHOT to get a high quality trigger from ALG Defense at 30% off. Other than that, it was back to the routine of work and teaching.
Paul – Trip home from Shot Show, visiting grandkids, trying to outrun Snowmageddon, possible changes to show.
Rachel- I’ve been a musician for the past few days. Just dreaming of range time and listening in on the rodeo at the Capitol.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.
May 16th and 17th Bob Mayne and Ben Branham BCC (handgun world dot com)
Aug 1 and 2 Ken Kowalski, Jon Hodoway and Chaz Murray Citizen First Response (Nighthawk Custom Training dot com)
Aug 15th and 16th Kathy Jackson (Susan at politics and guns dot com)

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Seg 2- News

Paul-John Edeen posted on the website Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership.  His article is called A tale of two cities.  On this podcast we have reported when doctors defended themselves.  John reminds us of when they could not defend themselves.  Quote ”We should not have to run afoul of the law or hospital policy to be able to defend ourselves in our workplaces.”  Medical professionals can follow these pro-rights doctors at www.drgo.us

Paul-Former mayor of New York Michael (guns protect me but not thee) Bloomberg’s Everytown group had to do quite a bit of backpedaling and may be in line for a lawsuit in the near future. Last week they put out a study that stated …

In its latest report, titled “Hiding in Plain Sight,” Everytown monitored guns for sale on three primary websites and in a sting-like move posted 24 guns for sale on a popular arms website between July 28 and Oct. 9.

Some 169 potential buyers responded. Investigators hired by the group checked criminal backgrounds and found that seven of the 169 were prohibited by law from possessing firearms.

By extrapolating the data, “gun sales transacted on just three websites put an estimated 126 guns into the hands of felons and domestic abusers in Vermont — and likely many more — in this year alone,” the report concluded.

The only problem is that AT LEAST 6 of those 24 advertised guns were from a single FFL in Mount Holly Vermont. Not only did Bloomies group pretty much just make things up to fit their story they now may face a lawsuit from the owner of Crossfire Arms, who has hired a lawyer to explore his options.

Paul- We’ve reported on Operation Choke Point in the past. It was an effort by the Justice Department in conjunction with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation to label gun stores, among other businesses, as “suspect” and “risky”. This past Wednesday the FDIC back off and reversed their stance. They said that banks should assess risk on a case-by-case basis. The FDIC said banks shouldn’t decline “to provide banking services to entire categories of customers without regard to the risks presented by an individual customer or the financial institution’s ability to manage the risk.” Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer, a Republican from Missouri, had introduced legislation to outlaw the practice. In a statement he released Wednesday, he said he had met with the FDIC chairman and vice-chair. In that meeting they had acknowledged “wrongdoing” on the agency’s party and would be having their Inspector General look into who was responsible for it. Luetkemeyer plans to keep going forward with his legislation on the matter.

Rob- the power to make arbitrary administrative decisions is the power to act as a tyrant.  The FDIC can act as god with their phone and their pen.

Gary -Kentucky is taking steps to speed up the process of getting a concealed carry permit. The Kentucky State Police are now taking applications online and will now issue permits within 15 days rather than the old 60 days for paper applications. Applicants are still required to pass an in-person training course on Kentucky law and basic firearm safety, undergo a background check, and have a valid email address. This program which began in mid-November has had several hundred people take advantage of it. The sponsor of the law that enabled the changes, former St. Sen. Sara Beth Gregory, defended the program against Democrat critics saying, “”The faster we can be responsive to people’s applications, the better the system is. Speeding up the process to approve people who should be approved is not a bad thing.”

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2:11 Gary –DEA and ATF considered using license plate cameras at gun shows to “aid gun-trafficking investigations.” DEA head Michelle Leonhart denies that they ever implemented the idea. The potential program came to light due to a FOIA request by the ACLU which was looking into a DEA database that tracked the movement of vehicles within the United States. The primary goal of that database is asset forfeiture and it has been used by state and local law enforcement agencies since 2009. Asked about the program, the NRA said that they would have no comment until they learned more about it.

Rob-comment Do you remember the gun owners harassed in Maryland.  We have years of license plate data here in San Diego.  Now we have lawyers asking if that data can be subpoenaed, or if the data has to be destroyed.

Waze posts where police officers are parked. Sheriffs Want Waze’s Cop-Tracker Shut Down

Gary -If we pushed gun ownership underground for 30 years, there would be no gun ownership in 40 years.  That is why we ask you to take friends shooting, particularly young friends.  We want to build the culture of responsible gun ownership.. and the anti-rights politicians want to destroy that culture.  New York Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal introduced a bill to ban children under 12 years of age from gun shows.  The bill was referred to committee.

Rob- will they prevent nursing mothers from attending gun shows?  How about children in snugglies?  You can take your 12 year old and his friends to the gun show, but they have to be left home alone if they are 11?  How does that promote child safety?

John- In an update to a DGU we talked about recently, the Owner of She’s a Pistol will re-open her store for training after her husband was killed in a shootout with some armed robbers a few weeks ago. Owner Rebecca Bieker is re-opening the training portion of her Shawnee, Kansas business and is not sure when the gun shop will re-open. “We will not stay down but will get back up and fight,” Bieker expressed through a spokesperson and on social media.

Rob- comment- I remember her comment after her husband was murdered in their shop.  ‘Don’t tell me guns are evil.  My husband just saved my life with a gun.’

John- In another update, we have some news from Virginia Citizens Defense League president Philip Van Cleave.  11 anti-gun bills were killed late this week in separate Virginia house and senate subcommittees.  A handful of bad bills remain alive, and between the House and Senate and most of the pro-gun bills are still alive as of now.

John- North Dakota state representative Dwight Kiefert introduced a bill to allow some teachers to carry concealed at school.  The proposal would require teachers or staff to first undergo training with local law enforcement. Kiefert said the bill is for rural school districts where law enforcement is particularly far away from campus.  As you would expect, state education officials told the State House Education Committee that they oppose the bill.

Contrast the education officials response in North Dakota with the attitude we saw in rural Texas.  There the principal said everything that happens at home also happens at school, and his teachers can and must respond to all of it.

Rachel- Gun Quotes- All governments suffer a recurring problem: power attracts pathological personalities.  It is not that power corrupts, but that power is magnetic to the corruptible.  Author Frank Herbert

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.
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Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- (OLD MAN AT HOME)
This happened a few hours before sunrise in the Southgate area near Detroit, Michigan.  A 74-year-old man was woken up by the sound of breaking glass at the back of his home.  The homeowner looked inside his home and then headed back to his bedroom where his wife was still in bed.  Before the homeowner could call police, the intruder climbed through the back window and pointed a gun at the homeowner.  Fortunately, the homeowner was armed as well.  The homeowner shot the intruder.  The homeowner was not injured.  The intruder died at the scene.  Police took fingerprints of the dead intruder and a toxicology report is expected within a week.  The investigation remains open and the police do not expect charges against the homeowner.  The homeowner said, “It’s a very quiet neighborhood. This isn’t something that we normally have happen.”

Rachel- (FEMALE STORE CLERK)
This next story is from Blytheville, Arkansas. Three men wearing dark clothes and hoodies entered Dominos Pizza after 9pm.  They announced a robbery and demanded the money in the cash register.  Sarah Cherry is the store manager.  She was in the back of the store and came to the counter when she heard the shouts.  The robbers shot at Sarah as she came through the back door.  Sarah Cherry was armed.  She shot back.  The suspects ran.  No one was injured.  Police are looking for the suspects.

Rob- (INTRUDER HELD AT GUNPOINT)
This story is from John’s neck of the woods in western North Carolina. A neighbor called John Painter Monday afternoon to tell him that a suspicious car was in his driveway. When he arrived home, he found the door pried open and Joel McMinn, 35, inside. Painter “grabbed his pistol”, ordered McMinn to the floor, and then called 9-1-1. When McDowell County deputies arrived, they charged McMinn with felony breaking and entering.  Richelle Bailey, the McDowell County Sheriff’s Dept. spokesperson said your top priority should be safety. If you can detain the suspect safely, that’s OK. “If not they should always just go away, go back to their car, go to a neighbor’s house, whatever, call 911, and let us deal with it.” She added that concealed carry permits were on the rise and that intruders should think twice.

Rob- (FLORIDA COLLEGE STUDENTS)
Two University of Central Florida students are lucky that they live off campus. Nour Skargee (Scar-GEE)  and his girlfriend Sable Nehme (NAY-me) were the victims of violent home invaders on Wednesday. The intruders knocked on their apartment door and then forced their way in when Skargee opened the door. They forced him to the ground and put a gun to his head. The intruders then announced they were going to kill Ms. Nehme. She retreated to her bedroom where she retrieved a revolver.

“The only thing I could think was, ‘I need to figure out a way to protect us,'” Nehme said. “I grabbed the gun from out here in my closet. I pointed it at them, because he has busted through my door.” Both the intruders ran when they saw Ms. Nehme with the revolver. She said her father had given her the revolver for protection. Police later said the intruders’ weapon was actually a pellet gun.

Paul- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

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Gary- Listener e-mail discussion

1 )Chris wrote in and sent us a link to a story that says that a bill has been introduced in Congress that would make it a felony to own body armor.

Thanks for writing in Chris. I love it when the listeners send us links in email as it seems that they have our backs. And honestly with us not having a show for almost a week it can be easy for some stories to slip by us.

Honestly I think that Bill Clinton has more of a chance to be elected pope than that legislation getting through the House of Representatives, but we will keep our eyes on it.

Paul- 2 )George in Houston also wrote in

Hi Paul,
Enjoy the podcasts very much. I’m in Houston so am following the TX situation.
Since you are soliciting suggestions, I have a couple:

1. When doing a news piece on a replica gun incident, you might get used to saying “the gun turned out to be a replica or fake, or pellet gun.” The antis never say this, implying that the police or whoever knew it was not a real gun or should have made sure first (how I don’t know, maybe by getting shot).

2. One of your callers said he listened to a lot of podcasts, as do I. What I do now is speed up a replay (using DPC or digital pitch control) by using a Sony AX412 portable device. There are others, like the Sony BX140, which is cheaper. I am not an iPod person so I don’t know if that is available there. Many podcasts can be heard reasonably well at 120% or 130% speed. DPC seems to be relatively rare in the overall player universe, and you have to hunt it down. The Sonys I mentioned are no longer made but are available on ebay. the smaller BX140 can be had used for around $25.

Thanks
George S.
Houston TX

rob- I’m a droid.

Paul- 3 ) We got this one in just as we were getting ready for today’s show
I recently discovered your podcast and find it very enlightening. There’s very little mindless banter and I do like the format. I am from Aberdeen, South Dakota but recently moved to rural Minnesota for work reasons. It is very exciting to hear this quality of work coming out of Sioux Falls. I thank you for your time and efforts and will continue listening. Sincerely
Dr.Cliff

Paul- We do have 2 voice mails that have come in since we last had the full studio set up up and running, however it is REALLY difficult to play those on the air when I am sitting in the truck in Baltimore. I will be doing this dedicated run for another 1 to 2 weeks and then we will go back to recording at ABN on Sundays. As soon as we do I will get those voicemails on the air. But please don’t stop sending them! Call 605-215-1438 and we will air yours as well!

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob– I wrote an article called Rules for Them, and Different Rules for You if You Have a Gun.  I noticed how many of the anti-gun public figures have armed security.  What can I say?  I’m weak, and that post wrote itself after I saw the pictures.  By the way, most of the pictures their armed guards standing with Michael Bloomberg and Rosie O’Donnell have been scrubbed from the online image collections.  Thank you, Miguel Gonzalez for your Google-foo.

Walmart video man tackled- http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/22/video-legal-gun-owner-gets-tackled-florida-walmart-vigilante

Rob- I also have a second article coming out where I compare our first amendment rights with our second amendment rights.  What would it be like if the government treated our right to speak and to assemble the same way they treat our right to armed self-defense.  We would be offended if we needed a permit to speak. And once we got that permit, then there are further restrictions on the number of words we can speak at one time.  That is because the government can’t let us speak too fast or too loudly.  These speech restrictions only apply only to citizens. People who speak for the government can use all the words they want.  They speak very loud indeed.  The government says it is only regulating our right to speak, not infringing on it.

It sounds absurd when I describe these restrictions on our right to speak, but this is exactly the way we infringe on the right of self-defense today.  The article is called “Some Rights are More Equal than Others.”

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did a couple of posts earlier this week on the confirmation hearings for Loretta Lynch. She is President Obama’s nominee to replace Eric Holder as Attorney General. I pointed out that Operation Fast and Furious surfaced in the hearings starting with Chairman Chuck Grassley’s opening statements and continuing with testimony from reporter Sharyl Attkisson and law professor Jonathan Turley. Attkisson described how DOJ froze her out over her reporting. Turley, a liberal who voted for Obama, attacked the Administration’s use of executive privilege to withhold documents concerning Fast and Furious. He also attacked their refusal to prosecute Holder over his contempt citation by the House of Representatives.

Rob- did you read the DOJ Voxsplain their hacking.

(Paul)Before we go I do want to mention that we are working on some REALLY cool guests for upcoming shows. I have been exchanging texts, emails, phone calls and other forms of communication with Ben Branham, Mike Hughes with NextLevel Training (the makers of the SIRT pistols) Grant Cunningham, Ken Kowalski and Chaz Murray and others setting up future interviews.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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