Episode 247 – John Pierce and Anthony Collandro

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Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, June 25th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we get to talk with John Pierce of Open Carry and Firearms law.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we also talk with Anthony Colandro about New Jersey issues..
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, we also have our usual news and DGU’s,: so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
John: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 247 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – In keeping with Tom Gresham’s “No Shrug” Policy, I responded to a local hospital’s Facebook post sending people to the Brady Campaign’s Asking Saves Kids website. I noted that the Eddie Eagle program was proven to work and had many endorsements while the Brady Campaign was really about gun control and trying to stigmatize firearms. Later that day they had removed their original post.

Rob- I  had a couple dry practice sessions with my SIRT pistol. It is good for practicing follow-on shots.

Rachel- Wilderness Fun Day with friends learning about wilderness survival – knot tying, fire building, sheltering, and a great line-up of scenarios requiring medical help in backwoods settings. Despite all the skills training segments and emphasis on medical training, I learned most about leadership this time around – some important do’s and don’t’s.

Paul-  Nothing gun related, did add a new show sponsor and screwed up the editing of the last show.

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Rob- 1- Welcome back Anthony Colandro.  Anthony is a Master firearms trainer.  He’s on many NRA committees. He is a podcaster and is also the owner and operator of Gun for Hire at the Woodland Park Range in Woodland Park New Jersey.  Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast.  Anthony, tell us what is happening in New Jersey gun law?

Please call New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and ask him to oppose the magazine capacity bill.  We need calls from every state, not only New Jersey.  Governor Christie has until July 7th to sign or reject the bill that cuts capacity from 15 rounds to 10 rounds.  Call 609-292-6000 and politely ask Governor Christie to reject the bill.

Rob- when I called they did not ask where I was from.  I assumed they saw that I was from out of state.

Anthony, where will our listeners learn more about you? GunforHire.com

Paul 2- It was not a quiet week in the gun control paradise of Chicago where the gangs own the streets.  The gangs usually shoot each other, and they have no trouble shooting innocents as well.  19 people were shot this weekend, and 5 were killed.  The victims were walking on the street or working in neighborhood stores.  886 people were shot in Chicago so far this year.

We have a link showing the shootings for the last 30 days.chicago wounded June

Rob Comment- It is a little hard to show a graph on a podcast.  Here, I’ll hold it up higher.

Paul Comment- yeah, that helps.

john 3- Anti gun billionaire Michael Bloomberg spreads his love around.  Bloomberg invested a quarter million dollars to help the struggling campaign of incumbent Mississippi Senator Thad Cochran.  The unremarkable Senator Cochran won his primary race, so how do you think Thad Cochran will now vote on gun issues?  Mississippi gun owners had 250 thousand reasons to vote for Chris McDaniel, and the missed.

Rob Comment- No money for RINOs.

Paul Comment- No money for anti-rights RINOs or Asses.

Rachel Comment- The revenge of the low information voter.

Rob Comment- Thank you to your listeners who choose to stay informed on self-defense.

Rachel 4- A Joplin, Missouri, church decided the best way to get more people in the pews was to raffle off two Black Rain AR-15 rifles.  The first raffle was held at Ignite Church on Father’s Day to entice more young men to attend services.  The pastor says more raffles could follow.

Quote- “If we get people in the door, we get to preach the gospel. If we can get more people to follow Jesus, I’ll give away 1,000 guns. I don’t care.”

John Comment- well praise the lord and pass the 223.

Rob 5- Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin signed a bill into law that allows law enforcement to seize and store guns from someone subject to a restraining order.   Despite how good it sounds, I expect this tactic to be the latest escalation in disputed divorces.  Note that restraining orders often do not require evidence or a hearing.  Unfortunately domestic violence makes good press.. until we read about a victim being disarmed and beaten.

Paul 6- Everything the government does is political.  David James is suing the US Army Corps of Engineers because they will not give him permission to camp while armed at Georgia’s McKaskey Creek campground.  The Corps won’t even give mister James the reason why.  That left him with no choice but to file the lawsuit.  James is a former police officer and military veteran who has a Georgia Weapons Carry Licnese.  The Corps allows hunting on their property, and courts have ruled that a campground is considered a temporary domicile and due such protections under firearms laws.

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John 6B- This is a surprising article.  It says that strengthening gun control won’t stop the next mass shooter, but changing the treatment for the mentally ill for treatment just might.  The article asks us to look at the last mass murderer in Santa Barbara.  California’s gun control laws received an “A-” grade from both The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.  The gun control organization got their wishes answered and we had mass murder in California anyway.  The murderer obeyed every California Firearms law.

Comment- Right up until the moment he didn’t.

You’re right.  In contrast, the nonprofit Treatment Advocacy Center looked at both the quality of involuntary mental health treatment and the availability of court orders to force treatment.  California received a failing grade of an “F”

That is from an article on CNN.

Rachel Comment- Let me check the weather report.  There might be snow in hell right now.

Rachel 7- Michigan Governor Rick Snyder signed bills into law that protect the identity of lawful gun owners by keeping state firearms records confidential.  The bills passed with support from both political parties.  Firearms records are now immune from Freedom of Information Act requests, though the records remain available to law enforcement during an investigation.

Rob 8- San Diego County, California is may Issue for concealed carry, so law enforcement grants the right of armed self-defense at their discretion.  San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said law enforcement will protect you.  That is hard to believe given the thousands of crime victims in the county each month.

In the last few weeks-

-It was afternoon when a woman was helping her elderly mother into her car.  A man in a white SUV drove up next to her and asked for directions.  The stranger then got out of the SUV, pointed a handgun at her, and demanded the woman’s purse.  He then shot her in the back as she ran away.

Comment- That is one

-A San Diego woman was asleep in her Pacific Beach home at 2AM.   She woke to find a stranger touching her.  She screamed and the stranger fled.

Comment- That is two

-A gun-wielding robber approached two women as they were getting into their car in La Jolla.  The robber showed a pistol and ordered the two women into their car.  He then forced them to their local ATM and made them withdraw money.  He then had them return him to where they were originally kidnapped.  There the robber fled on foot.

Comment- That is three

-San Diego Police arrested a man suspected of a triple murder.  Back on Christmas Eve, the victims were shot as they sat in their cars at the Mission Valley Mall.  Police spokesmen said they would release details next week.

Comment- That is four

-A robber rode his motorcycle up to the Oceanside, California branch of Union Bank.  He parked the bike on the sidewalk, walked inside, and then robbed a teller at gunpoint.  Then he drove away on his motorcycle.  Oceanside is in north San Diego County.

There are four to five thousand examples in San Diego each month were the police could not protect the victims.  That is understandable.  The average police response time is 5 minutes but sometimes that stretches out to several hours.  Citizens are on their own in the mean time.

Sheriff Bill Gore says he can’t issue San Diego citizens a license to carry a weapon, though many other California Sheriffs do exactly that.  That sounds unfair to me, and a 3 judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed.

The Court called Sheriff Gore’s policy unconstitutional!  Now the full court will decide.  Until then, the citizens of San Diego will continue to be helpless victims.  150 disarmed people a day are victims of violent crime in San Diego County.  (Link) This will continue until Sheriff Gore acknowledges their right of self-defense.Early May

Paul- Gun Quotes of the week- “With guns in the hands of many citizens, we will have tragedies.  With guns only in the hands of the government, we will have genocide.”  Multiple sources

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Seg 3 Interview with John Pierce

I first read about John Pierce at Opencarry.org.  Later John and I met face to face.  Now John is a lawyer with his own practice in Virginia.  Welcome to the polite society podcast, John Pierce.

Councillor, we’ve seen citizens robbed as they left a convenience store where the convenience store had a no guns allowed sign up on their door.  We’ve also seen gun owners robbed as they left a shooting range that doesn’t allow concealed carry.  These stores identified their customers as being disarmed and as prime targets.  They can be robbed for their money, their wallet, or their weapons.  What principles of law apply to these stores and the risk they create for anyone who enters?

A man was shot outside a Jackson, Miss., convenience store where the proprietor had posted a “no firearms allowed” sign.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/01/14/business-with-gun-free-zone-signs-may-be-tagged-with-legal-liability-94257

Two people shot outside gun shop.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Cops-Gunman-shoots-clerk-steals-6-firearms-in-Northeast-gun-shop-robbery.html

To the criminals, the human predators, waiting outside, these gun-free zone signs say the victims have been disarmed and are easy pickings.

John, where can our listeners read about you?  http://monachuslex.com/

Segment 4 DGUs

John A- This DGU is from Memphis, Tennessee.  Drunk Tony Hardin was fighting with his girlfriend and her adult son.  According to the victims, Hardin chased them with a hammer and a wrench and threatened to kill them.  That was when the son shot Hardin and the victims made their escape.  The son was taken into custody, but released.  Hardin was taken to the hospital and charged with aggravated assault.

Rachel 1- Anti-gun groups say this never happens, but it sure happened here.  A gunman burst into a 15 year highschool reunion in East Peoria, Illinois.  The gunman then shot his ex-wife and her new boyfriend.  The assailant was then shot by an off duty FBI agent who happened to be in the same restaurant and witnessed the assault. Unfortunately, all three died.  Thanks to the FBI agent, for making sure no one else was injured.

A gun free zone since it served liquor in Illinois?  According to Illinois legislators, we’d be safer if everyone was disarmed except the criminal.

Paul 2- Two teens were on a car robbing spree when a man heard them break into his car early Tuesday morning.  The car owner stepped outside,and that is when the car thief, Jarvis Brooks, age 18, shot at the car owner.  The owner fired back.  Brooks and his accomplice, Jashayla Finney, 17, fled in another stolen car.  Brooks was picked up at the hospital where he was being treated for a gunshot wound.  Finney was picked up for questioning by police a short time later.  Since they are minors, the police can not say much about the two robbers. but both of their portrait pictures were available for the newspaper article, so perhaps this was not the first time they have come to the attention of the local police.  Both face charges.

Rob 3- Wendell Vanbuskirk of Indianapolis, Indiana got drunk and was fighting with his fiancee at a family cookout for Fathers Day. He agreed to leave the party.   He returned with a baseball bat after midnight and started beating his fiancee’s mother.  His future father in law saw the attack, drew his gun, and shot Vanbuskirk.  Vanbuskirk died.  No arrests have been made and the investigation is ongoing. Police do not suspect the father-in law of any crime because he was acting in defense of his wife and himself.

John 4- It is good to have friends with guns.  A 27 year old convenience store clerk was robbed in Milwaukee, Wisconsin on Wednesday night.  During the robbery, the thieves shot the clerk.  A second employee at the convenience store shot back and wounded one of the robbers.  We don’t know how bad the situation would have become if the second store clerk was not armed.  We do know the shooting stopped when the criminal was wounded.  The wounded robber, age 25, and his 20 year old accomplice are in police custody.

rachel 5- A convenience store clerk in Rutland Vermont has been fired.  58 year old Don Pitaniello was closing up Mac’s Convenience Store Monday night when a man wearing a hoodie and a bandana over his face entered the store and threatened him with a roughly 5-inch blade.

Quote, “I looked up when I heard the doorbell chimes and saw the hoodie, the bandana, and a bag in his hand.  He (the robber) walked up to the counter, laid the knife on it and said ‘Empty the register.’”

The store clerk has carried a handgun all his life and had his .380 in his grasp and behind his back before the intruder made it to the counter.  The robber waved his knife in Pitaniello’s face, and the store clerk responded by pointed his handgun at the robber. Thats when the robber fled.

The store had been robbed at least eight times, and this attempted robbery is the the second time in a week that an assailant armed with a knife has demanded money from convenience store clerks in the Rutland.

The clerk, Don Pitaniello said, “I can always find a new job.”

Rob6- Some people can’t find another job.. not when they own the business.  Kent Wright and his wife live in Red Lake Falls, Minnesota.  They were sleeping the the basement of their convenience store early Father’s day when they heard a noise upstairs.  Kent went upstairs when 16 the year old intruder hit him in the head with a flashlight.  Kent recovered, and rather than shoot the youngster with the pistol he carried, the threw the youngster to the ground and jumped on him.  Quote, “I got on top of him and said don’t you move and I said a few other choice words I shouldn’t repeat.”

Thank you for your restraint, Mister Wright.  You, sir, saved a young man’s life.  The 16 year old male was charged with  1st degree burglary.

Comment- I’m surprised he wasn’t charged with assault, too.

Paul 7-  Speaking of choice words, this reads like a bad detective novel.  A traveling contractor in Jackson, Mississippi was staying the night in a Motel 6.  While crossing the motel parking lot, a stranger asked him for a cigarette.  He said he didn’t have any.  That is when the stranger drew a gun and said, “I bet you don’t have one of these, either.”  The robber lost the bet and the intended victim shot him.  The robber ran, but was soon picked up by police.  The charge against the robber have been filed with the Hinds County Jury.

John8- Two intruders broke through a front door and demanded money from the occupants of this Valdosta, Georgia home.  One of the robbers was armed with a rifle, and the other was armed with a handgun.  Two of the occupants of the home, a mother and son, were both shot as they attempted to flee.  Another occupant, an older man, was in the back of the house, and he grabbed his own handgun when when he heard the noise.  He shot both intruders several times.  The intruders ran but were soon picked up by police.

The robbers claimed they were victims of a separate shooting, but were identified by the homeowners.  That is why YOU want to be the first one to call police.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend

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Episode 246 – Joe Chetwood

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live at ABN Army Surplus on Saturday, June 21, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly news
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use.
Joe: And I’m Joe Chetwood from Crusader Weaponry, so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Gary: and hang on
Paul: Episode 246 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Joe- Expecting a new child.

Gary- Car show season.

Rob- I took a newbie shooting. He was one of those “low profile” guys who didn’t want to shoot because buying guns and ammunition would put him on someone’s list. He changed his mind after he inherited two nice revolvers from his uncle. My friend and I took the newbie to the range and let him use our ammunition. He has a six inch Colt Python in 357 and a similar Colt in 22. Every gun has something to teach you.

I bought a SIRT pistol and am learning how to train with it. It isn’t a firearm. SIRT stands for Shot Indicating and Resetting Trigger. The pistol is the love-child between a Glock and a laser pointer. Dry practice has finally gone high tech.

I went to an open house for Empowered Firearms, a new gun store and indoor training facility that is only a few miles from my house.  Chad and LeAnne are nice folks.  What is a little unusual about Empowered Firearms is that you can rent their training facility and have a group lesson.  We’re thinking of having an event there some Friday night.  They have plenty of parking and there are some nice restaurants within walking distance for an after party.  That is firearms, fuel and food done right.

Gary, they did have barbeque at their open house, but they brought it in.  It wasn’t home cooked like ABN.

Matt- Extra shooting because my semi truck broke down.  Retro rifle in 30-06 and winchester 1897 12ga shotgun.

Paul- Earning a living and getting my license from the South Dakota DOT.  I let my hazmat certification lapse.  I had to renew it.

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Paul 1- Along with more government regulation comes more politicization and less tolerance.  Now Microsoft has applied its corporate code of conduct to ban firearms and ammunition sales to organization using its products.  Windows OneDrive, formally known as Microsoft SkyDrive, is built into Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8 for Phones and Windows 8 for Tablets. If you work in the gun industry you should avoid these products. You could wake up one morning to find your account terminated and all your emails, contacts, calendar etc. deleted.

Windows Live powers a number of Microsoft services including Microsoft’s cloud email and cloud Office suite. Windows Live, Outlook.com and Exchange Online power many large institutions including colleges and high schools. Don’t use any Microsoft-hosted email systems to buy or sell guns.  If you use Microsoft Office in your gun business, make sure you do not use the Office 365 service to share business-related files.

Rob- My local gun stores have gone to apple apps, and may be forced to use Linux.

Rob 2- The US supreme court ruled that the BATFE can issue a ruling and impose restrictions that are not in the written law.  The court upheld the conviction of former police officer Bruce Abramski for acting as a straw buyer of a firearm.  Abramski bought a firearm and was a legal buyer.  Abramski  then transferred the gun to a legal owner using a FFL for the transfer and background check.  Supreme court justice Elena Kagan ruled that the original buyer was not the intended recipient, and was therefore a straw buyer.  The ATF had previously ruled that you could buy a firearm for a raffle or as a prize where the final owner was unknown.  Gentlemen, call your lawyers, because I can’t tell you how to follow the law.

***Joe 3- There is no shortage of crazy, and HERE is some more.  A 16 year old and 17 year old planned to attack their Volunteer, Tennessee high school.  They planned carefully and wanted to correct the mistakes they saw in the Columbine High School shootings.  These boys weren’t bullied.  These boys did not have a record of discipline problems.  An adult found out about their plans and a mental health counselor said the plans were real rather than a fantasy.  Police seize journals the boys kept along with explosives they had collected.

The 16 year old was fixated on mass murder.  This Thursday both boys appeared in Hawkins County Juvenile Court charged with conspiracy to commit first degree murder, conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism, and possession of explosive components.

We were lucky, because most school officials are not trained and armed.

Matt 3B- They have crazy to spare in the California legislature.  State Senate Bill 53 would allow the California Department of Justice to collect and retain the name and address of every purchases of ammunition in the state. According to the report, this bill would force any American wishing to purchase ammunition to allow the DOJ to archive his or her fingerprints and perform a background check in addition to collecting a fee. The financial obligation would be recurring, since the ammunition purchaser permit would have to be renewed every two years.  The bill would also eliminate all online sales or shipments by freight.

Rob- The bill passed the senate and house committees, so California listeners please contact your legislators HERE.  I’ll say please again if you like.  There are crazy California bills that cover the ground from outlawing bullet buttons to BB-guns.  I found a website at the FIrearms Policy Coalition that lists firearms legislation in each state so check this site often.

Rob- Can I rant about stupid gun bills for a minute?  Our legislators pretend that they can keep every single firearms cartridge from getting to criminals.. while at the same time they tell me they can’t stop a quarter million illegals who come across our border, and they can’t find the 4 million illegals that are already here.  You can’t find a person but you can keep track of every bullet?  That is crazy talk.

Paul 4- It had to happen eventually.  Fox news has FINALLY(!) caught up with the Polite Society Podcast.  Professor John Lott listed the many lies that President Obama speaks when he promotes gun-control.  According to Professor Lott-

President Obama claimed that 40 percent of gun sales take place without a background check.  That is a lie.

President Obama claimed that the US is the only developed country where the mentally ill get their hands on firearms.  That is a lie.

President Obama claimed there is no law or regulation requiring a background check for a semi-automatic weapon.  That is a lie.

President Obama claimed that the NRA and gun manufacturers flood local politicians with money and stop gun control.  That is a lie.  In fact it inverts the truth.  Gun control advocates outspend the NRA for TV ads by a ratio of 7 to 1.

Professor Lott collected the facts, and Fox news published them.  Welcome Aboard, Fox news.

Comment- What took them so long?

Joe 5- President Obama keeps telling us that Australian gun registration has brought peace and prosperity to the land down under.

Comment-  Has it cooled the planet too?**

The president forgot to tell us that the rate of aggravated assault and armed assault rose in Australia.  This week, the Australian police reported that a full 10 percent of the firearms they sieze are homemade, mostly made and bought by biker gangs.  Some are crude shotguns, but some a sophisticated submachine guns.

Comment-  Yeah, I meant to tell you, but I mis-spoke.

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Matt 6- Moms Demand Action had a rally in New York City.  Yes, the anti-gun group funded by Michael Bloomberg was able to round up 35 protesters.  They demanded more gun laws and fewer firearms for citizens as they marched across the Brooklyn Bridge.  I don’t know if you noticed it in the cropped pictures, but in the wide angle shots, you see the marchers escorted by armed police and plain clothes armed security.

Paul- Comment-  Now I get it.  Guns are bad, but there are rules for you and me, and different rules for them.

Matt- Yep, that is what it looks like.

Gary 7- The opposite of hypocrisy is integrity.  Kansas lawmakers and some staff could already carry their licensed concealed firearms into the state capital.  As of July 1, so can any other licensed concealed carry holder.  Susan Wagle is the Senate President.  She said, “We can’t be hypocritical.  We either believe that concealed carry increases safety and that anyone who has a license is a legitimate individual who seeks not to harm anyone else or you don’t believe it.”

Patricia Stoneking, president of the Kansas State Rifle Association, said “The taxpayers pay for this building.  We’re talking a civil right — not a privilege.”

Rob- I wonder if I can find a job in Kansas?

Joe 8- There is also a hint of sanity in Ashland, Oregon.  A city plan to restrict open carry of loaded guns was thrown out by the City Council.  The council decided the law was unenforceable law because concealed carry holders are allowed to openly carry in public, and state firearms law pre-empts municipal law in Oregon.

Gary- Comment- Thank you Ashland.  I doubt that much common sense would have slowed Chicago, New York City or Washington DC.

Matt9- The gun grabbers are at it again in Florida.  The tactic is called sue and settle.  Florida has a pre-emption law that should stop local towns and counties from enacting their own gun regulations.  That scheme falls apart when the state attorney general allows the state to refuse to prosecute local elected officials.  When this case against the local officials was appealed, the states attorney filed a motions stating “we will take no position”.

Citizens are suffering malicious prosecution from local law enforcement, and the state is ignoring it. It is time for Florida liberty lovers to call their AG, Pamela Bondi, and ask her to straighten out her staff.

10 Gary- Judges are reluctant to tell a prosecutor he has a bad case.  Not in this example.  A Maryland Judge tossed the absurd case where were special prosecutors Ronald Naditch and Assistant State’s Attorney Brian Marsh said there is no right self-defense in Maryland. You’re supposed to call 911 instead.

We talked about this last September when we reported that-

Matthew Pinkerton defended his wife and family when the attacker broke into Pinkerton’s home just before 2 a.m. Sunday after being told repeatedly to leave.  The attacker acted aggressively and motioned toward his waistband as if he had a weapon.  Pinkerton shot Green once in the chest from 10 to 15 feet away, but Green continued to advance toward him, his wife Jessica and two friends who were at the house.  That’s when Pinkerton shot him again. The attacker died at the scene.

Gary- Usually a judge will let a jury decide, but in this case the judge so agreed with the defense that the judge dismissed the charges.  I hope mister Pinkerton had self-defense insurance because this probably cost him many tens of thousands of dollars for his legal defense.

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Paul- A sucking chest wound may not stop a crime, but it sure as hell helps with the recidivism rate.
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Seg 3 Interviews with Joe Chetwood in ask the gun docs.

Segment 4 DGUs

Paul 1- There is a medical term called herd immunity that describes the spread of contagious disease.  By analogy, what would happen to criminals if most of the honest citizens were carrying firearms?  Crime would become very dangerous for the criminals and probably wouldn’t spread very far.  That seems to be what happened in Houston, Texas at The Grey Room club.  Two men followed a patron into the parking lot where they forced the victim to the ground and took his money.  A bystander saw what was going on and opened fire on the suspects, striking one of them in the neck. The pair of suspects then jumped into their vehicle and tried to get away.  Police soon caught up with them.  They took the wounded man into custody, but the second robber got away.

Joe 2- Anti-gun groups say this never happens, but it sure happened here.  A gunman burst into a 15 year highschool reunion in East Peoria, Illinois.  The gunman then shot his ex-wife and her new boyfriend.  The assailant was then shot by an off duty FBI agent who happened to be in the same restaurant and witnessed the assault. Unfortunately, all three died.  Thanks to the FBI agent, for making sure no one else was injured.

Gary 3-  Two intruders broke through a front door and demanded money from the occupants of this Valdosta, Georgia home.  One of the robbers was armed with a rifle, and the other was armed with a handgun.  Two of the occupants of the home, a mother and son, were both shot as they attempted to flee.  Another occupant, an older man, was in the back of the house, and he grabbed his own handgun when when he heard the noise.  He shot both intruders several times.  The intruders ran but were soon picked up by police.

The robbers claimed they were victims of a separate shooting, but were identified by the homeowners.  That is why YOU want to be the first one to call police.

Here is the Houston versus Chicago data.  http://imgur.com/r/conservatives/en3HZ5T

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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1 from TJ

Hey Paul,

The guy probably did NOT have a holster, but here’s a back pocket option.

http://www.bearcreekholsters.com/back-pocket.php

TJ

Matt: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Joe: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Gary: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

Matt-: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Joe: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Gary: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Rob- Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the mid-week show…

Joe: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 245 – David Cole and Taleia Mueller

NJ2AS linkIntro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, June 18th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonight’s show we have an interview with firearms trainer and author David Cole.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have another tips and tricks segment with Taleia Mueller.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 245 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant

Gary-  I’ve been teaching a lot, teaching a four 4 hour concealed carry class during the week for a private group. 16 hours is the state requirement in Illinois. I was a concealed carrier when I lived in Las Vegas. When I moved back to Illinois I was looking for additional training on the NRA website and I found classes for people wishing to become instructors. Wanting to become better at my hobby of over 30 years I signed up two and a half years ago. And I have a special offer for podcast listeners, go to my website FirearmSafetyInstitute.com click register now  enter promotional code psp and receive $50 off at our next concealed carry class.

John – I’ve been traveling and working since the last podcast. However, I just read something before the show that scares me. It seems that Michael Bloomberg and his money is buying calls to Congress demanding background checks. It is what you do when you don’t have a real grassroots. The NRA-ILA is concerned and is asking the real grassroots – you and me – to either write or call Congress. You can call at 202-225-3121 to get your Senator or Congressman. A link to the NRA’s “write your reps” page is in the show notes. Consider this your 90 seconds of activism to save a lifetime of gun rights. That literally is how long it took to send emails to all my national representatives.

Rob- I ordered a training firearm, a SIRT gun.  I pick it up tomorrow.  It is a laser pointer wrapped in the shape of a Glock.  It is a good training tool, particularly for my friends with a flinch.  I also ordered more holsters from Overwatch Holsters, and I pick those up tomorrow too.

Rachel, what gun do you run for Appleseed?

Rachel- Nothing fancy. It’s my first rifle I ever bought – a Ruger 10/22. I added sling swivels and mounted a cheap scope – a Simmons .22 mag. That’s it for modifications. It’s made at least half a dozen Riflemen so far, so I’d say it’s a keeper.

I got to go shooting yesterday at my neighbor’s! We tried out a couple oddball pistols and then got to play with his newly set-up AR. You know you’re shooting with the right group when you’re at the range and everyone wants to do a dry-firing segment to try to improve groupings.

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Rob- We make fun of the news media pretty often, so we really have to give a shout-out when a paper gets it right.. even if it is the campus paper at the University of Texas at Austin.  They pointed out that gun free zones fail time and again.  Gun free zones fail to the point that they are really murder magnets.  The article points out that all the gun free zones do is disarm the honest concealed weapons carriers.  The article also pointed out that concealed handgun license holders are extremely safe and law abiding.  The mentioned that many lives are saved when citizens respond quickly rather than waiting minutes for the police to stop a murderer.  Good job, Bevo.

Rob- Back to making fun of the media and their biases.  The two murderers who recently shot two police officers and a civilian in Las Vegas were first described as right-wing crazies.  It turns out they were tossed out of the Bundy Ranch near Las Vegas.  That is right, the people at the ranch wouldn’t have them as volunteers.  However, they were photographed back in Indiana at the Million Mask March for Occupy Wall Street.  These murderers were crazy a number of ways, but they were not the tea party patriots the media wanted them to be.

John Comment- The Occupy Movement has very low standards for crazy.

Rob- Oh my god.. there is a man outside.. with a gun!  There.. there are more of them.  It is a whole crowd.  They are all armed. and women and children too!

Rachel- 85 gun owners and their families gathered for an open carry picnic at Detroit’s Milliken State Park last Saturday.  It was a pretty normal picnic complete with hot dogs and drinks.. except that the picnickers were openly carrying a loaded sidearm.  Dave Dellinger, a board member with Michigan Gun Owners, urged those at the picnic to call their legislators to change the laws limiting guns.

Rachel- Quote, “We need to get rid of pistol-free zones.  The first place a criminal is going to go is where they know there won’t be any guns.”

Another picnicker said, We are everyday people.  Every time somebody responsibly open carries in public you keep chipping away at all the lies from the other side.”

John – As of last Friday, Mark Glaze left his post as the executive director with MAIG.  He admitted to the Wall Street Journal that their gun-control proposals would not have prevented mass shootings in the past and the proposals wouldn’t stop mass shootings in the future.  The goal of their statements is to be in the public eye during a time of emotional loss and to insist that we have to do something or else we don’t care about the lives of children.

Rachel- Comment-  So he basically said “Do something useless.. or you’re a hater.”

Rob- Comment- Yeap.

Rob- Governor John Hickenlooper says he is is offering an apology to the sheriffs of Colorado.   The Governor said his staff made a mistake in overlooking the Sheriff’s concerns about Colorado’s new gun laws.  Governor Hickenlooper said he misunderstood the public backlash at having laws rammed through the legislature overnight.  Governor Hickenlooper said he was not in contact with billionaire Bloomberg and the Obama administration about the new gun laws.

Rob- I think the lawmen know a liar when they hear one.

Rob- The Governor deliberately ignored the Sheriff’s legislative testimony opposing the new Colorado gun laws.  The Governor and state attorney general worked against the lawsuit brought by the Sheriffs to stop the gun laws they say are unconstitutional.  Despite denials from his press secretary, phone records show multiple calls between DC and the Governor’s office.  I guess Bloomberg’s money isn’t enough to save the Governor’s political career so he wants to make sweeter lies to the Sheriffs.  I wonder if the citizens of Colorado will buy it.

Rob- Anti-gun politician State Senator Ginny Burdick, D-Portland, Oregon proposed a bill making parents criminally liable for crimes committed by children using their parents firearms.  There are already such laws, but they require the state to show negligence on the part of the adults.  This bill puts the burden of proof on the parents.  It is a lawyer’s dream come true since it overturns some aspects of the castle doctrine if a minor is involved.  For example, can the criminal’s next of kin sue you if your 19 year old daughter defends herself in your home using your firearm?  Yeah, there are problems with this legislation.

Senator Burdick blamed the unfavorable public response to her bill.. on the NRA.

Gary Daugherty- Here is our weekly gun quote, and this one is from an unlikely source.  It begins, “I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. I’d walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me.”  That is from the U.S. Senator from California, Dianne Feinstein speaking on April 27, 1995.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with an interview right after this

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Rob- You can do everything right and still need help.  A young man posted his old cell phone for sale on Craigslist.  He agreed to meet the buyer in a public place, like the Stroud Mall in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania.  Hmm, how meeting in broad daylight where other people are present.  Let’s choose 3 in the afternoon right outside the JC Penny’s mall entrance.  Two men arrived and pretended to be the buyers.  After examining the phone, they tazed the seller.  That was when a legally armed mall employee who saw the robbery drew his firearm and stopped the robbery cold.  The thieves dropped the cell phone and ran.

John- The next best thing to  having a gun is having friends with guns.

Rob- We should call this DGU “Don’t worry, we’re professionals and we’ve got this covered.”

It starts when four men broke into a home in Port Richey, Florida.  They were looking for money and drugs, and beat up two of the women in the home.  A man in the home called 911 after the robbers left.. and while being transferred to the police, he was mistakenly sent to voicemail.  The robbers weren’t satisfied, and they returned a few minutes later.  This time the homeowner shot them.  As for the robbers, three of them have been caught, including the guy who was shot by the homeowner.

Rachel with a sweet southern voice- “Your call is very important to us. Please remain on the line for the next available representative to handle your call.”

-A 73 three year young grandfather saw a car drive into his front yard just after midnight.  He knew they didn’t belong there, so he grabbed his shotgun and walked outside.  He heard the strangers in his daughter’s house next door, so he called 911.  He waited outside near their carr, and when they returned, he told them to stop and that the police were on their way.  That is when they shot him in the face.

The 72 year old returned fire, hitting one of the intruders in the legs.  The two thieves fled into the woods.  Grandpa waited.  He tackled one of the thieves and held him for police when the young man tried to sneak back to his car.

Police arrested Clyde Webster, 21, and Tyler Trivett, 23.  The two men face several theft, assault, and drug charges for this burglary as well as one in Cocke County.  The grand daughter who lives next door said that grandpa was always a hero, but that now everyone knows about him too.

The thieves took several guns a knife and a hatchet.

John- Jose Padilla, owner of La Playita taco stand in Lynwood, California, was closing up shop when three masked gunmen suddenly came on the scene, pushing their way through the family members and employees who were present. Some reports state Padilla may have been followed after he closed his other restaurant. When the gunmen opened fire, he grabbed his.38-caliber pistol and responded. As his daughter Mariam later stated through her tears: “He’s like me. We don’t go down without a fight.” Shot at least 10 times, Padilla was pronounced dead at the hospital – but all his family members survived.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Gary: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Gary: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John – I did a post yesterday regarding Hillary Clinton saying, in effect, that you and I are terrorists in that we are advocating for the Second Amendment. She said “We cannot let a minority of people — and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people — hold a viewpoint that terrorizes a majority of people,” . She not only hates the 2nd Amendment but it seems the 1st as well.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Gary: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

John: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Gary: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

John- Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Gary: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the weekend
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 244 – Shelly Sorensen

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday June 14th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and on tonights show we will talk with Shelley Sorensen of 1 Million Moms Against Gun Control South Dakota Chapter.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use, and one of the fans of the show Matt from Sioux City comes up to have a conversation about the 2nd Amendment and tyranny
Gary: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 244 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant

Rob- Limb saver. My friend at Overwatch Holsters gave me a spare holster he didn’t like.. and it fit my friends gun very well, so my friend ordered some custom mags to go along with the holsters. I stalked gun stores. Gary was right, these stores were new in the last 4 years. These three have a training facility attached. Yay!

Pala idpa june 15 2014

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Shot IDPA. I haven’t found a square range where they will let you shoot 9 shots in 4.4 seconds.. and then ask you to do it again.

Paul- Went out shooting and thanks to listener Matt from Sioux city who joins us tonight, we had a BLAST!

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Rant from Listener Matt from Sioux City

I am utterly sick of some gun people stating the reason we have the second amendment is to overthrow a tyrannical government. Sorry but this is not the primary reason behind the second amendment. It is definitely not helping our gun rights cause when you make this statement most normal people who do not understand will be terrified. Our founding fathers feared a large standing army so the second amendment was their solution for defense of the nation. It states “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” In the example of Britain between the isolation of the country combined with a powerful Marine (navy). Their stated desire was “A sufficient force to make head against a sudden descent, till the militia could have time to rally and embody, is all that has been deemed requisite. (The federalist papers #8)”. To translate into modern terms an army big enough to delay a surprise attack so the militia can form up to defend their country and homes.

This brings to question. What is the militia? Well sadly we live in a time where the true historical context of militia has been forgotten or obfuscated. When most of you hear militia I expect the first image to come to mind is a compound in the woods with several men running around in camouflage talking of overthrowing the government. This is not a true militia this is a fringe stereotype used to discredit and obfuscate the true concept of the militia. At the founding of this country until the beginning of the 20th century the militia was all males between the age of 18-45. These were normally organized by town or county depending on population and would generally meet once every month or so to drill and maintain the ability to operate as a coordinated force in a time of need.

Ok interesting history lesson but what does that mean for us today? First the people of the country were expected to defend themselves and not relinquish the defense of essential liberty to another. Second it means every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms. Let’s break this down a little. Keep is obvious you have the right to possess the arms. Arms means weapons of any kind so knifes, swords, guns, cannons, and tanks for a few examples. So now we come to the one word that has so much disagreement over the last century Bear. In context of the second amendment it makes perfect sense. It means you have the right to wield the weapons and in the context of this amendment of the constitution no limit shall be placed on that. For those who disagree how can you use a weapon to defend and maintain the security of a free state if you cannot have said weapon on your person to wield.

Ok enough preaching to the choir. The point behind this amendment is multifaceted first it was to maintain the power behind the government with the people. Second military’s are expensive to raise arm and maintain. The second amendment alleviates this cost so instead of having the government pay for each citizens arms and time to defend the nation as part of a standing army. Each citizen is expected to spend their own money to provide the arms and volunteer there time once a month or in a time of war to defend this nation as part of the militia. Next the question is where will any attack come and will the standing army be there to defend against such attack. Hear is another proof of the elegance behind the second amendment. Just like the human immune system we have armed people mixed in the general populace that can respond to a threat as needed. This also allows for an immediate response to a terrorist attack including active shooters. Lets hypothesize if we were to be attacked by a foreign army instead of lone actors. In 2010 we had roughly 32% of this nation as gun owners. If only half of these people choose to take up their arms in defense would have 15% of the nation under arms. This is an even higher percentage than were under arms during WWII that was roughly 10% of the population. Gun owners were and are charged by our founding fathers to protect this nation. The land of the free home of the brave from all threats foreign and domestic. So the next time someone asks you why to you have guns don’t say “because it’s my right” or “so we can overthrow the government”. It is so we can defend this free state the shining beacon on the hill of liberty.

Rob- Matt, other than saying ‘guns frighten many people’, what is your point? Are you discussing marketing, legal theory, or early american history. Each needs its own argument. You seem to say that an armed body of citizens is not supposed to fight tyranny.. and then point out that an armed citizenry was intended to fight tyranny.

Matt, did you see the movie “Assaulted”?  Please give us a movie review.

-End of rant discussion.. and back to our regularly scheduled news.

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Paul- Lies, damn lies, and Bloomberg’s anti-gun statistics.  An anti-gun Bloomberg spokeswoman said there were 74 school shootings since the murders at Sandy Hook.  A journalists fact checked that claim, and Bloomberg came up short.. very short.  In short, the Bloomberg group lied.   Almost 60 of the “school shootings” were nothing of the kind.  There were 15 shootings at schools.. and the number has been steady or falling for many years.  The other sad news is that many media outlets promoted the shocking and false statistics because the wild claims deliver eyeballs to advertisers.

Rob- I think the New York Times is as shameless as the National Enquirer.

Rob- I like to hear about self-reliant business men.  Now, Illinois Democrats were finally forced by a judge to allow concealed carry.  The South Porte Bank of Illinois is doing what it can to promote responsible gun ownership.  The bank is owned by 92-year-old veteran Thomas Throgmorton.  He put up signs at each of their banking locations saying “NOTICE: THIS PROPERTY PROTECTED BY SMITH & WESSON”.  The bank also encourages it’s employees to carry on the job. The bank will pay for each employee to take the state’s concealed carry course and obtain their permit.  I’m thinking that robbing the bank or its customers is felony stupid.Great Bank

John- Moms Demand Action asked their followers to meet for a “stroller jam” protest at the annual Targets Shareholders meeting.  This was going to be a tough sell since the annual meeting was in Dallas, Texas.  All 12 members showed up. Of the 12 protestors, one woman showed up with a stroller and her granddaughter.  They held up signs saying “Texas moms expect more” which is a play on Target’s motto of “Expect More.  Pay Less.”

Rob- Last week there was another murder on school grounds, and the murderer was.. well.. he crazier than an Illinois politician.  The man charged with killing one student and wounding two others at a small Seattle college had stopped taking his psychotropic medications.  The murderer detailed in his hand written journal that he stopped taking his meds because he “..wanted to feel the hate.. I just want people to die, and I’m gonna die with them!”

This murderer badly wanted his crazy.  That leads to an obvious question.  Is it safe to let a murderous crazy person lose in society when he is only safe while he voluntarily medicates himself.  It doesn’t sound safe or responsible to me.

John- A tourist community at Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri has banned open carry.  This even applies to people who have a license to carry concealed.  The Lake Ozark Board of Aldermen voted 4-2 on Tuesday to approve the ban saying that open carry could frighten away tourists, and that the ban will still allow concealed carry.  The measure was initiated by Police Chief Mark Maples.

Rob- I don’t know who is frightened away by open carry, but I won’t visit Lake of the Ozarks because of their ban.

-Comments?

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Shelly Sorenson – 1 Million Moms Against Gun Control – SD chapter.

Segment 4 DGUs

Paul – Las Vegas shooting redux

There is a fund to help with funeral costs for the hero that stopped the shooting. If you can, please contribute. We covered this on the mid-week show but I wanted to touch on this again. Two nutjobs tried to start a “revolution”, got the drop on and killed two officers. They then took the officers guns and spare magazines and went to another location to continue carnage. They went to Wal-Mart that SELLS AMMO. Were they going there to pick up some groceries for later?

There were 2 possible reasons that I can think of for choosing Wal Mart, they were looking for more ammo (and possibly additional guns) or it was just another place to continue killing. I think the acquisition of ammo is the more likely scenario. When confronted at Wal Mart they unfortunately took the life of the hero that intervened and then took their own lives. I want to compare this with the Clackamas Mall shooting a while back and also with the shooting Reynolds High School more recently. In all three cases when met with resistance the incident was over within moments after resistance was met. In at least 2 of the 3 cases by the suicide of the perpetrator.

The scum that is evil enough to begin a mass murder event DOES NOT WANT any resistance. As well generally they do not want to be taken into custody. They know that they will not live to see the end of the day and only want to go out in the “blaze of glory”. I thank God that there was one person who stepped in in the Las Vegas shooting, the Clackamas Mall Shooting and in the case of the Oregon High School Shooting that there were 2 resource officers that were on scene within 60 seconds.

You all have heard me state that I am not a sheepdog, and I would like to thank Marc Salvorsen who helped instruct the live fire portion of the MAG 40 that I attended recently. He disagreed with my rant from a while back, and we talked about it at length during the breaks in class. What he came up with and I agree with is “ I am a sheepdog, but my flock is very small”. There are damn few things that I would use my handgun for, defense of myself and my family is primarily why I carry. Would I do the same as the hero that lost his life in Wal Mart? I would like to think so, this man could have retreated. he had safe passage out and told his friend that he was going to try to stop the killing, telling the friend to escape. We will never know how many lives that were saved that day because of the actions of one CCW holder, I think it is safe to say that many were and if by chance somewhere that Joseph Wilcox is listening from the great beyond, I would like to say thank you sir, I am saddened that you lost you life and thankful that you were able to stop the carnage.

John- This next story is not, unfortunately, really a DGU. Rather it is a warning to be aware and to be observant especially going and coming from the range. On Thursday evening, two armed suspects, a man and a woman, approached two men coming out of the Delaware Valley Sports Center in NE Philadelphia and robbed them of their firearms. They also shot one of the men, aged 67, who is in critical condition. The robbers were also suspected of robbing a gun store the previous day.

Rob- The anti-gun politicians are giving firearms to thugs with their gun-laws.

Paul- Do you use the store that has a no-gun sign?  You can’t be charged for entering the store in South Dakota.

Rob- Tim Hanekamp, was sitting in his home when his wife told him there was someone outside with a gun.  Hanekamp put his own firearm in his back pocket and walked outside to see what was going on.  As soon as he walked outside he was shot in the leg.  He presented his firearm and the woman who shot him took off running.  The woman, Dominica Maddux had shot one person in the face.. with her BB gun.. before she shot Hanekamp.  Now Hanekamp’s gun was not a BB gun.. it was a 9 mm.

Hanekamp said he didn’t fire because of the many children in the neighborhood. Quote “I didn’t want to have a projectile hit somebody.”  The woman is in jail held on two felony counts of aggravated battery.

Comments-  Right on, but get a holster.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion-

John- Email from Ken

This article shows the blinders some people have when it comes to stopping a crazed gunman. Scroll down to their recommendation on how to fight back.  “Fire extinguishers, scissors, and chairs” are the recommended tools. Can you say “obtuse”? There is a perfect tool that comes to my mind, and scissors and chairs aren’t on my list.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/What-should-you-do-if-confronted-with-a-gunman-5545484.php?pmsfr=true

Regards,
Ken Silva and Shuggie The (very old) Dog
Laveen, AZ

Paul- Email From TJ

 

Paul,

 

I just want to thank you for throwing that quote and your story into this last show. I also believe that it’s all in the raising, not the breed. We recently had a trainer come out to help out with our pit and pit mix, because they were a little too rambunctious and had a lot of sibling tension. She said that her favorite dogs to train were pit bulls, because they are great dogs and hates to see them given up or euthanized just because people couldn’t control them, or didn’t train them properly.

It seems you and I have very similar views!

Thanks Paul,
TJ Gauthier
Firearms Insider Product Review Manager

John- Listener Chris Chris Gillespie sent in this link about recent bills passed by the Michigan Senate.  The first bill allows a wider range of individuals to teach and supervise youth pistols classes.  The second bill eliminates county concealed weapon licensing boards and their discretionary licensing authority.  County clerks would administer the concealed weapon licensing process. The Michigan State Police  would conduct background checks.

We talked about this in our last episode.  It is great to have interested listeners act as our backup if we miss a news story.  Thank you, Chris.

Rob- A listener and friend asked for a shout out.  I met Scott at the NRA convention, and Scott is a big fan of Open Carry Texas.  Happy Birthday Scott Gibbons and thank you for listening.

Gary: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
John: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- Thank you for asking, Paul. I published an article called “They Want Control: Guns Are the Latest Excuse”.  It is up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and at my blog.  The news media pulls at our emotions about public murders, and then pretends that self-defense doesn’t exist.  I cite a lot of data showing self-defense is very effective.

Gary: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners

Paul: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 243 – Texas Convention and Andrew Rothman

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, June 11th, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonight’s show we’ll talk with trainer Andrew Rothman about some serious health issues affecting indoor shooters.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of news and defensive gun use,
Rachel- We have my speech at the Texas State Republican Convention, so climb aboard
Rob- strap in
John: and hang on! Episode 243 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rachel Malone- Back from saving Texas at the state Republican Convention. Been all across the state and glad to be home!

I’m the founder and director of Texas Firearms Freedom, an organization that equips Texans to stand up for gun rights. Through that, I come alongside gun groups and liberty lovers all across Texas to help them understand the process of effecting political change.

I got into guns and shooting when I became convinced that I needed a CHL. Subsequently, I received rifle marksmanship instruction through Project Appleseed and tactical firearms training through Battle Road USA. Now I get to pass along what I’ve learned to other students; I’m a CHL instructor, an Appleseed shoot boss, and on staff at Battle Road USA.

I’m a lifelong Texan. I was trained as a classical musician and currently work in central Texas as a freelance musician.

RM at RPT

John – Hi, I’m John Richardson and I blog at No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money. Besides shooting and pinking, I collect old military rifles esp. Swedish Mausers and Swiss K-31 Schmidt-Rubins.

Rob- Sunday I was on Armed American Radio.  Mark Walters is the host and George Hill was on with him.  We talked about my blog post discussing the bad tactics of Open Carry Texas.  They gave me two segments.  One of our listeners wrote in about OCT, so we will talk about it more in our e-mail segment.

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Rob- Families worried about mentally unstable loved ones hurting themselves or others would be able to seek a court order to take firearms away under a bill introduced Thursday in the New Jersey Senate. “Families or a close friend are those who know best if someone has reached that point where they are mentally ill and violently prone,” said the bill’s sponsor Democrat Senator Richard Codey of Essex. “You can look at our ongoing history over the last 10 years – Aurora, Columbine, more recently in California,” Codey said. “Clearly, these people were severely mentally ill, needed help, and should not have had guns in their possession.”  That is what they say, anyway.

New Jersey civil rights advocates said the wording of the bill is not public yet, but they hoped any legislation would allow for due process and respect constitutional rights of trial by jury and the presumption of innocence.

Rob- This is the call about your neighbor so the cops take his guns away, bill.  I’d use it if I were a criminal who wanted to disarm my intended victim.. say a shopkeeper who wouldn’t pay protection money.  What will the ACLU say?

Do you have any thoughts?

Rachel- (comment) Who should have authority to decide who gets to keep and bear arms?

John- Michigan gets it.. or this is simply election year pandering.  Michigan’s Republican-led Senate approved legislation to eliminate county gun boards, have county clerks issue concealed pistol permits and require state police to perform accompanying background checks. Sponsoring Sen. Mike Green, R-Mayville, says his proposal would make Michigan a true “shall issue” state for concealed carry licenses by cutting red tape – and costs – on a process that often takes longer than the 60 day limit allowed in current law.  Michigan is the only state left with county gun boards.

The bill would require county clerks to respond to any application within 45 days after fingerprints are taken. It would also lower the CPL application fee from $105 to $90…

Rob- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called on the Senate Monday to pass background checks on guns in the wake of a Sunday shooting in Las Vegas that killed two police officers.   Reid said the American people are depending on the Senate to pass background checks to keep guns out of the hands of people like those murderers.

Rob- I’d like to remind the senior silly senator from Nevada that the last half dozen mass murderers passed background checks.  That is why I don’t think this debate is really about background checks at all.  It is about gun control.  Senator Reid is saying we had a murder so we need gun control.  The murderer used a car, a knife and a gun.. so we need gun control.  The sun came up and went down .. so we need gun control.  Reid wants more money from his gun-control political contributors.. so we need gun control legislation.  This is a money bill.. again.

John – On Monday, President Obama participated in a forum on the blogging site Tumblr. During the event, Obama praised Australia for how they dealt with “gun violence”. In case you don’t know the Australian “solution”, it involved the forcible removal of ALL semi-automatic firearms from civilian hands. This included the .22 rifles such as Ruger 10/22s that farmers used to control pests in the Outback. Obama also seems to have no idea of how the  NICS check system works as he gives the impression by his comments that anyone can walk into their local gun store, buy a semi-auto rifle, and walk out – without a background check. He says he respects gun rights but his comments endorsing the forcible removal of semi-auto firearms gives lie to that.

Comments -?

Rob- There is a pro-concealed carry petition started by Tom Gresham.  If you don’t know Tom, he is the man behind Gun Talk Radio and Gun Talk TV.  The petition asks Target Stores to continue to allow concealed carry in their stores.  We will lose our privileges if gun owners sit silently.  Sign here to make your voice heard.

Rachel, take us to break

Rachel- The largest political convention in the world, the Republican Party of Texas State Convention, was held in Fort Worth last week. While the media spent the bulk of its reporting on the major immigration fight as well as the substantial and emotional debate on medical marijuana’s inclusion in the platform, gun rights lobbyists have a major victory to celebrate. The RPT Platform has already included strong recommendations for excellent gun legislation, including Constitutional Carry. Now they have included a resolution to make that the RPT’s one and only priority for the next legislative session.

(Audio from the convention.- speech to Platform Committee on Prioritization of Gun Legislation)

Being a delegate at the convention consisted of a few brief moments where I got to present a rousing speech, a lot of sitting through meetings holding committee members accountable by reporting their votes, and hours on end of standing in line writing speeches and then never getting to deliver them because someone used procedural maneuvering to cut things off. It takes a lot of patience and grit to make it through a convention, and it takes a huge amount of strategic planning to actually accomplish something through the process. I applaud the wonderful gun rights activists who stuck it out and helped us win this victory.

Rob- Miss USA Nia Sanchez told the truth and the feminists spokeswomen lost their minds.  The former Miss Nevada was asked what colleges should do to stop sexual assault on campus.  Nia Sanchez advocated taking personal responsibility for your own safety.  She said, “Myself as a fourth degree black belt, I learned from a young age that you need to be confident and be able to defend yourself and I think that’s something we should start to implement for a lot of women.”   I agree, but that doesn’t follow the trendy script that everyone is a victim.  Good for you, Nia.

In contrast, Elisa Benson of Cosmopolitan magazine had to comment: “I get that the college sexual assault problem can’t be solved in 30 secs but (its) still icky to pretend like self defense is the answer.”  Perhaps the senior editor at Cosmo thinks a new diet and hair style would help.

Comments-

Rachel- Icky?! You mean, you would rather pretend life is all a bowl of cherries and it makes you uncomfortable to think about anything else?

Gary- Speaking to reporters, Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn was unabashedly angry. “Why can’t the people of this neighborhood enjoy a beautiful spring day without worrying about their children getting shot?” he asked.  Under current law, individuals convicted of illegally carrying a handgun in public can later obtain a state license to carry a concealed weapon. The city of Milwaukee is lobbying for a three-pronged approach: exclude offenders with three or more misdemeanor convictions within a five-year period from getting a concealed carry license; make illegal gun possession a felony; and set a mandatory three-year minimum sentence for felonious firearm possession. Currently, felons busted with guns face potentially harsh penalties but no mandatory minimum…

Comments- pro and con

Rob- About a week ago, Jack in the Box restaurants asked patrons to leave their guns outside.  It isn’t surprising that the fast food chain was robbed again..and again.. and again.  The latest was an early morning robbery in Houston.  It follows three other robberies, including a robbery in Tennessee where people were shot by the thugs.

Comment- So now I’ve gotta ask, how is that gun-free zone working for you?

Rob- Some people think a good guy with a gun is exactly what they need.  That is why some Toppenish [ TOP PEN ISH ] School District administrators in Washington State will carry concealed on campus this fall.  School employees may carry firearms on school property to provide an additional layer of security at the school. So far, 11 administrators, including School Superintendent John Cerna, have volunteered to take extra training and to respond to a school shooting with their own weapons.

“I don’t mind giving my life if I have a fighting chance,” Cerna said about his decision.

Comments?

Quote of the week
John- “We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men” George Orwell.

Rachel- “I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave.” H.L. Mencken “Why Liberty?”, in the Chicago Tribune (30 January 1927)

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Seg 3 Interview with Andrew Rothman about lead levels

Segment 4 DGUs
Rob- Thank you to listener Layla who lives in Alabama and sent in this defensive gun use that took place in Huntsville.

Rob- Kevin Weil went to the skate park with his two sons Last Sunday afternoon.  The concrete skate board park was being used by a photographer to photograph lewd pictures of two barely dressed young women lying on the bottom of the concrete ramps.  Weil asked if that was appropriate for a kids playground.  The photographer argued and then went to his car.  He came back with a large handgun and yelled he would kill everyone there.  The women and children ran, but Weil walked toward the photographer asking him to drop his firearm.  When they reached the parking lot, Weil secured his own handgun and fired when the photographer pointed his gun at him again.  The photographer was taken to the hospital and later charged by police.

comments-

John – A legally carried handgun doesn’t have to be fired to be effective. Sometimes its mere presence is all that is needed. Two men got into knock-down, drag-out fight in the parking lot of a Largo, Florida PetSmart. This was the scene that Robert Avery stumbled upon on Monday. The younger fighter had the older one under a bench and was kicking him. Avery was worried for the safety of the man on the ground and thought it might be a robbery. He drew his handgun and told them to break it up. He then called police and reported it. Avery told police he had reholstered his handgun the moment that the fight was over. In the end, neither fighter was charged as they had contradictory stories and police could not decide who started the fight.

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Rob- A 17-year-old girl was outside retrieving something from her car late at night when she was confronted by two armed and masked men.  They held a gun to her head and ordered her to return to her home in the Saint Louis suburb.  The girl’s father saw the masked suspects walking his daughter toward his door.  He retrieved his gun and shot both suspects.  The girl’s mother also  grabbed her gun and fired once but did not hit the suspects. No one in the home was injured.

31 year old Terrell Johnson died at the scene.  Johnson had served time in Missouri prison for first degree robbery. The second suspect ran to his getaway car and contacted his brother to take him to the hospital. The suspect, 33 year Cortez McClinton of Saint Louis, is in critical condition with gunshot wounds to his chest and both thighs.  McClinton faced prior first degree murder charges but the charges were dropped because witnesses would not cooperate with police.  Officers said this time he will face charges when he is released from the hospital.

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Rachel- Anti-gun spokesmen say that a good guy with a gun has never stops a bad guy with a gun.  We know they lie, and we have evidence as recent as this weekend to prove it.  Two murderers killed two Las Vegas police officers as the officers sat in a chain pizza restaurant.  The murderers then tried to enter a nearby Wal-Mart store.  Before they were able to enter, a citizen named Joseph Wilcox confronted them.  Wilcox was legally carrying his concealed handgun.  Wilcox was unaware that the second murderer was behind him, and Wilcox was shot from behind at close range.  Quoting police “This guy (Wilcox) was not some idiot with a gun. To me, he was a hero. He was trying to stop an active shooter.”

After that confrontation, the two murderers killed themselves.

Comments-  Share this “it never happens” event with your friends.

My sympathy to both the officers and Mr. Wilcox.

David Codrea reports a fund is being set up to help with Mr. Wilcox’s funeral expenses.

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rob- From Chris Gillespie

http://buzzpo.com/people-magazine-shannon-watts-one-15-women/.  Can I throw up now? Thanks people magazine. This woman is crazy not someone who is changing the world.

Chris links to an article in People Magazine that says that spokeswoman Shannon Watts is one of 15 woman changing the world right now.

Thanks, Chris.

John- This is from Jason in Minnesota writing in about our Open Carry Texas comments.

I listen to a lot of pro gun podcasts and when this story came out I was reserved about it. I thought it didn’t make sense. Everyone in pro gun media was vilifying open carry texas but no one was trying to get more facts. One of the founders of open carry texas called into Guntalk and even though tom wasn’t listening to him I finally got the facts that made sense. When ever they were going to do an open carry event they would get permission from the management and the customers before entering the store. They would hand out flyers and have a positive event. Between what he said on gun talk and the things your very own host from Texas has said about the open carry groups I believe the pro gun media needs to give open carry texas an apology. Everyone says bad things about the NRA yet we stand behind them. Where did this story come from? Mom’s Demand pulled the picture off of open carry texas’s Facebook page and made up a story. And it worked. Everyone in the pro gun community is talking bad about our own. A part of our family. Would you do that to your son who made a mistake? No. You would point out his error and help him in the right direction with support. We don’t like low information voters and that’s exactly what we have become on this story. I suggest you have CJ from open carry texas on your show to tell his side of the story and to talk about all the positive things they have done. I’ve been waiting for Rachael to talk about this story as she has first hand knowledge about it and haven’t heard anything. Rant over. Thanks for the show and I look forward to hear your response.

Jason

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Rob- Jason, thank you for your comments, and thank you for being a member of Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance.  We are ambassadors for armed self-defense all the time.  We might not have intended it, but we are also ambassadors when we leave embarrassing pictures on our facebook photo archive and the media uses them to make us look stupid.

Jason, speaking personally, it would be easier to give OCT the benefit of the doubt if they were less defensive and I thought they were listening to suggestions.  All I’ve heard is argument and excuses when I make suggestions.  Someone called CJ told me that what they are doing is perfectly legal and he said he didn’t see me on the street protesting Texas gun laws.

I noticed he never said what they were doing was effective.  That tells me they know they made a mistake and are being defensive.

Rob- Open Carry Texas has already received a lot of constructive criticism.  For a start, please use what works.  Dress like a salesman when you sell your ideas.  Get your best looking and most articulate members to present your ideas from a booth everywhere people gather.  Carry empty holsters and hand out literature.  Try this first in legislative districts where the state representative favors open carry, and get the co-operative legislator to tell you how the calls and letters are doing!  That is called test marketing, and it is what sensible people do.  Test marketing would have told OCT that ARs hung on a chest rig were not effective in persuading the general public to pass open carry of handguns.

Rob- Wearing rifles in public without test marketing is called amusing yourself in public.  It is not a success if it generates bad publicity across the entire US.  Jason, the public relations professionals call that a clue.

Rob- Maybe governor Rick Perry is the problem with passing open carry legislation, so the calls and letters have to be directed at him.  The Texas NRA representative knows, but she isn’t saying in public.  Thank you, Jason, because we’d rather be criticized by our friends.

Rachel comments about OCT.
increased activism
increased number of delegates at the state political conventions
NRA did not support open carry?

Rob- I heard the NRA lobbyists discuss open carry a month ago.

Rachel- Also from our friends, this e-mail is from Bob in Minnesota.

Hi,
You are known as the polite society, however your microphone etiquette is anything but polite. The on air personalities seem to be eating, and smacking their lips, someone occasionally smokes because you can hear them inhaling the first drag then exhaling very loudly. One time it sounded like someone actually started their car, another one of the on air people even commented on that.

I am sure there are others that like me really enjoy your very informative podcasts and the on air personalities that also make them very enjoyable, but are very distracted and annoyed at the additional unnecessary noise. You can get a cough button that temporarily disables the mike if you need to cough, sneeze, eat, smoke, belch or fart, so your listeners don’t have to listen to it. All the TV and radio stations use them.
Please take this as constructive criticism, your shows are very good.
Thanks,
Bob in Eden Prairie, Minnesota

Comments?
Rob- Thank you, Bob.

John: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

John: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I’ll put the link to my article Judging Open Carry Texas in our show notes.

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog?

John: I posted about Shannon Watts claim she is unpaid for her advocacy.  I know she is already well to do, but I wonder how she is compensated even if she doesn’t collect a salary.  Perhaps she is paid by a consulting firm.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

John: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

John: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Rachel- Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 242

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday June 6th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of firearms news and defensive gun use
Paul: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 242 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant

Rob-
I picked up a custom holster from Overwatch Holsters.  It is for my tapered barrel Ruger Mk II.  I used it already when I went to a family range day.  I was a pistol shooting assistant and had about a dozen people shoot with me.  Some were brand new shooters and others had shot a few years ago.  The instructors would swap lanes to give everyone something to do.  I discovered that shooting a single shot revolver sure slows the teenagers down.Lemon Grove

I also .. finally.. cleaned up the Mosin Nagant.  I have to buy a better cleaning rod and jag.  To heck with 1900 authenticity.

Gary, Luverne Car show and parade, next week, Harrisburg.

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-David Griffith wrote an article in the law enforcement magazine “Police One”  where he commented on the recent murders near the University of California Santa Barbara..  The title of his article is “Gun Control is Not the Answer- The fault is in the killers not in their chosen weapons.”

He said- “The Columbine killers, the Virginia Tech murderer, and the Aurora shooting suspect have all become household names.  I believe that the desire for stardom is at least part of the motivation for these massacres… I think we need to take away that motivation. I’ve argued this point with my fellow journalists, to no avail.  But I think it’s time that we stop publicizing the names of these mass active shooter suspects.

He continues- “Many people say that more mental health resources and more liberal commitment laws would have prevented this killer from undertaking his bloody rampage. But I doubt it. For lack of a better word, this guy was “evil.” What made him that way is a question for psychologists and neurologists. But evil is a hard thing to treat and an even harder thing to contain.

“On the day he was born you could have taken away every gun from every law-abiding American and outlawed the manufacture and sale of guns and this killer would have still found a way to leave his mark.  I think this young man was just consumed by hate and had a compulsion to kill.”

Close quote.

– Guns have put Nucla, Colorado in the news since the Nucla Town Board passed a municipal ordinance requiring heads of households to have guns, and ammunition, “in order to provide for and protect the safety, security and general welfare of the town and its inhabitants.” Guns were part of life in this western Colorado town well before the current gun-rights battles started by Boulder and Denver.  In Nucla, both the stylist at the beauty salon and the female clerk in the liquor store carry their sidearms with them.

Nucla was once a mining town, but now the population is shrinking.  Crime is extremely rare, and maybe more people will move there because of this ordinance.

– Chicago doesn’t have a gun store yet, but Chicago Mayor Emanuel wants to limit gun sales to one gun a month for each customer.  City ordinances like this cut down on holiday sales, and these restrictions have never been proven to limit the guns used by criminals.

Comment- There is a name for laws that harass firearms owners and don’t impede criminals.  They are called anti-gun bigotry.. because they punish the people who are innocent.

– Stupid isn’t limited to Chicago.  The Mayor of Norcross, Georga just outside of Atlanta, wants to change the name of the city’s municipal building to reclassify it as a court in an effort to place it off limits to concealed-carry permit holders. This tactic would circumvent a new Georgia gun law, set to become effective July 1, that allows lawful permit holders to carry inside city buildings with the exception of courts and detention centers. Mayor Bucky Johnson is therefore asking the city council to officially re-name the building, built in 2002, the “Norcross City Hall and Municipal Court.” “There’s no reason to bring a gun to city hall,” Mayor Johnson said.

Comment- Tell me again how disarming honest citizens and then putting up a plastic sign is supposed to stop criminals?  (Crickets)  This is stupid on a Chicago scale.

-We have a new bit of California silliness to report.  California allows the sale of custom single shot handguns.  They are used for hunting and target shooting, and the market is too thin for the manufacturers to bother paying California’s ransom scheme misnamed as safe firearms testing and registration.  Now there are bills in the legislature to eliminate the shingel shot exemption.

California AB 1964 would:

  • Ban the sale of Constitutionally-protected handguns by further narrowing the handgun Roster.
  • Irrationally eliminate the “single shot exemption” for handguns permanently modified by a professional gunsmith into a fixed single-shot firearm.
  • Deal a deathblow to many California gun dealers and cost our state good jobs.

NONE of these exempt firearms are used in crime.

Comment-  What did you say about punishing the innocent.  Yeah it is anti-gun bigotry.  This time it California.

-Hmm. This news story is very, very weird, and it stinks.

According to a report on WMBF, a loaded 9mm handgun (a Hi-Point C9 to be exact), was found placed in an opened box in the toy aisle of a South Carolina Target store.

I’m not usually one to give conspiracy theories any credence, but in this case it seems absolutely clear that someone put that gun there with the intention of a child finding it.

A couple of facts about the case point to it being a plant either by an insane person who wants to harm children or an anti-gun activist.

1) The gun put there, a Hi-Point C9 is one of the lowest cost 9mm handguns available on the market. If someone was going to leave a handgun laying about with minimal investment on their part, this would be the gun to use.

Police are looking for Chavonne Tere Moore, she is the last known owner of the gun.

Gary-throw in a thanks to the wwii vets and D-day??

Gary- Gun Quotes-

“Freedom has its life in the hearts, the actions, the spirit of men and so it must be daily earned and refreshed – else like a flower cut from its life-giving roots, it will wither and die.”

~ Dwight D. Eisenhower

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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– A disabled 44 year old man was trying to break up a dog fight at his home when the two dogs turned on him, attacking his arms and legs.  His neighbor heard his screams and ran to help.  This happened in Isleton, California on the Sacramento delta.  The responding neighbor yelled at the animals before one of the two pit bulls charged him.  The neighbor shot at the animal, and then the second dog charged and was also shot.  The disabled man who was attacked by the dogs was taken to the hospital but his condition was not known. One of the dogs died at the scene and the second dog was later euthanized at an animal control shelter.

Comment- Sacramento is one of the shall issue counties in California.

– Some criminals don’t learn.  A homeowner in Bay County, Michigan homeowner called police in the middle of Monday morning to report an intruder in his house.  The intruder was gone by the time deputies arrived, but they followed fresh ATV tracks when they received a call about another burglary nearby.  A neighbor came home to find a strange ATV parked in his driveway.. and the neighbor noticed his window screen had been cut out.  The neighbor grabbed a shotgun from his garage, sat on the ATV and yelled for the intruder to come out of his home.  19 year old Daniel Hall walked out from behind the neighbor’s house and said he was looking for his dog.  The neighbor called police.. and deputies said the neighbor was no longer holding Hall at gunpoint when they arrived on scene to arrest him.  Police found the inside of the neighbor’s house tossed about.. and Hall had pills in his pocket that matched the type missing from the neighbor’s medicine cabinet.

Hall was arrested on two counts of first home invasion and larceny.  Hall was out on bond awaiting sentencing for an earlier conviction.

Comment- Cops are pretty good at telling a lost puppy from a bunch of Bull.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes where it is called Podcast Box.  They apps are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail. Email onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I put up the story we talked about last week when we talked about Alcohol and Guns.

Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on the Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment SocietyArizona Citizens Defense LeagueGun Owners of CaliforniaConnecticut Citizens Defense LeagueFlorida Carry, Georgia CarryGeorgia Gun OwnersGrass Roots North CarolinaIllinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights AllianceNebraska Firearms Owners Association, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association.Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Paul: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 241 – Guns and Alcohol

Paul: Episode 241 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant

Rob- I booked a hotel room and registered with the Second Amendment Foundation for their Gun Rights Policy Conference in September. I meant to dry fire and meant to clean my Mosin, but I didn’t. I worked on the details for a Women on Target where I’m instructing this Saturday.

John- Along the lines of Rob’s news about GRPC 2014, I have been looking into fares between here and Chicago. I may be able to make it this year.

Paul- Training a student in the truck. Have a rare weeknight at home. Got the weekend show out today, it is getting really tough to get these out on time.

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Paul- Getting a lot of news today is Chris Cox’s clarification on the NRA-ILA’s statement about open carry in Texas. Last Thursday, the NRA released a statement that didn’t mince words regarding the counterproductive nature of some of the open carry activists in Texas. They called carrying long arms such as an AR and AK in a burger joint or other fast food restaurant “downright weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while being prepared to defend yourself”.  Cox backed away from that statement blaming it on an unnamed staffer. He called it a “distraction” and said, ““There was some confusion, we apologize, again, for any confusion that that post caused.”

John- Comment – I think the NRA should have stuck with their original statement even if some OC activists threw a hissy fit and said they were going to tear up their NRA membership cards. Our goal has to be to win and as Michael Bane said today on his podcast, “You should think before you do stupid”.  Being stupid isn’t going to get Texans open carry of handguns.

Rob- More and more people are carrying concealed in the state of Washington.  Take a walk in the suburbs of Yakima in south central Washington along the banks of the Yakima river.  One in five residents has a license to carry.  The Selah area has the highest rate of concealed carry permits in the state for areas its size or larger at 18.2 percent according to data from the Washington  state Department of Licensing.

These are low crime areas in general, and sheriff’s deputies reported no trouble with concealed carry holders.  Quote “When we have issues with firearms, it’s not with law-abiding citizens who’ve gone through the process to get a concealed pistol license.”

Comment-  the sky is not falling and blood is not flowing in the streets.  Good for Washington.

John- A Milwaukee Common Council committee on Wednesday unanimously approved a $47,500 payment to settle a federal civil rights lawsuit by a man who claimed he was unlawfully stopped, searched and arrested by police. The money will go to Nazir Al-Mujaahid, who several months after the questionable arrest gained attention in January 2012 when became the first Wisconsin concealed carry permit holder to prevent a crime. He shot an armed robber in a crowded Aldi grocery store. The robber survived and was convicted. Al-Mujaahid was not charged, but had to sue to get his gun back from police.

Rob- I remember that DGU

John- His civil rights case started when Al-Mujaahid was driving a rented Camaro on Capitol Drive in March 2011 when he was pulled over a little before noon. His suit contends officers pointed weapons at his head, threatened to kill him, and roughed him up as they handcuffed him and held him in a police car while searching the rental car. No contraband was found, and he was released.  Meeting in closed session Wednesday, the city’s Judiciary & Legislation Committee adopted Assistant City Attorney Susan Lappen’s advice to approve the settlement.

Rob- Comment- this sounds like he was arrested for driving while brown.

Paul- This from the Washington Post.  A Cleveland Ohio police officer was charged with manslaughter after standing on the hood of a suspect’s parked car and firing his handgun 49 times.   The chase began when an officer thought he heard a gunshot from a car speeding past the police and courts complex, jumped into his patrol car and radioed for help.  Driver Timothy Russell was shot 23 times. Passenger Malissa Williams was shot 24 times. No gun was found on them or in their vehicle.  Five supervisors have been charged with dereliction of duty for failing to control the chase.

John- Comment- I hate it when the police get it wrong
Rob- That sounds like cops gone wild.

Rob- Barbara Boxer is the less well known of the two silly senators from California, Boxer and Feinstein. Boxer said family members ought to be given the lawful authority to confiscate guns from those they deem “unstable” and “violent” as she pushed her new “Pause for Safety Act” bill that comes in response to the Isla Vista shootings and stabbings.

Paul- How about being able to confiscate gasoline and car keys because cars and gasoline kill more than firearms.. but that lets a family member make someone lose their job because they can’t get to work without your permission. The vast majority of crazy murderers purchased their firearms legally.

Rob- Good point. It is hard to prove that people are a danger to themselves and others. Can we take away Boxer’s and Feinstein’s keys because they are crazy? Hmm, I know these senators are dangerous to the rest of us, but I can I prove it to a judge!

John- Mental health professionals can’t stop crazy murderers because crazy murderers are extremely rare and mental health diagnoses are often inaccurate. Very few of those with mental illness go on to become killers. Even among schizophrenics, we see less than one person out of every 100,000 who commits a violent crime.

Rob- Set aside the fact that half of the people killed in the recent california murders were stabbed rather than shot.

John- OK, we’ll ignore that for now and leave the crazy people with car keys and kitchen knives, most mass killers are seeing psychiatrists before their attacks and the doctors miss the warning signs. The California murderer was seeing several doctors for counseling, and so were the recent Fort Hood shooter, the Sandy Hook elementary murderer, the Aurora Theater murder, and the murderer at Virginia Tech.

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Rob- The anti-gun crowd is at it again in California. There are several anti-gun bills in the state legislature and Senator Kevin de León proposed an ammunition ban.
His bill would :

  • Create a DOJ registration database of all ammunition vendors, purchasers, and purchases.
  • Effectively ban online ammo sales.
  • Mandate another costly license for gun owners and ammo sellers to acquire before they can buy ammunition.
  • Ban private sales and transfers of ammo.
  • Eliminate thousands of ammunition “points of purchase” and close small businesses who sell ammo.
  • Exempt a massive new regulatory implementation by the Department of Justice from the Administrative Procedure Act and public scrutiny.

California listeners can contact their senators from a link in our show notes.

Paul- After a crazy person shot students off campus in California, former New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg said all guns should be outlawed on all college campuses.  That kind of logic got his story printed in the Boston Globe.

Rob- Comment-  Except for Mayor Mike’s bodyguards, of course.  Wasn’t that latest murder in a gun free zone?

Paul- Comment- Of course.  And gun prohibition has worked so well in the past, why not double down on stupid again, Mr. Mayor.

John- Last night six people were shot in a Chicago laundromat, including two teenagers.  We hear about mass public violence on a California college campus, but we don’t hear about murders and shootings in Chicago.

Rob- Comment-  You mean there is violent gang crime in the gun control paradise of Chicago?  I’m shocked.

Paul- Comment-  Maybe Mayor Mike Bloomberg and Mayor Emanuel should outlaw murder.  Think that would help?

Rob- We have our own crazies in the gun rights movement.  John, you collect long guns.  The guys carrying long guns in public in Texas were supposed to wise up and clean up their act.

John-  They were supposed to, but they didn’t.  And now they have jeopardized legislation to allow open carry of handguns in Texas.   These demonstrators are carrying ARs slung in front on a chest rig and are dressed like bubba and Nugget rather than like they’ve come from church.  It isn’t working fellas, so buy a clue and try another tactic before you’re thrown out of Texas.

Paul- Oklahoma Open Carry received word that Moms Demand Action was going to the local Chipotle’s for lunch, so they decided to meet them there. Chipotle restaurants in Oklahoma have officially taken the position that they would rather see people leave their guns at home, but they won’t ask you to leave if you don’t; after all, in Oklahoma it is legal to openly carry, so they at least respect the law and your rights. Moms Demand Action on the other hand, seemed to be demanding a little much on this Saturday afternoon as they approached management and asked them to throw the open carry members out of the restaurant because they were “offended” by the presence of guns.

What happened next was nothing less than awesome. The manager refused to kick out Oklahoma Open Carry, and gave them free drinks instead. The Moms Demand Action activists then proceeded to take pictures of the gun owners and attempted to portray them as intimidating and threatening. The restaurant manager wasn’t having any of it and he threw Moms Demand Action out of his store!

John- Comment- Open Carrying your rifles into a private business where you’re not wanted is bad public relations.  It sounds like open carry is stuck on stupid.  Now come up with a better sales method than getting yourselves banned and leaving concealed carriers with no place to eat.

Rob- I have some good news and some bad news from California.  The smaller government and pro-self-defense California Assemblyman who ran for Governor was rejected by the California Republican party in favor of a financier who never held elective office and doesn’t like the second amendment.  Also in the bad news column, the pro- concealed carry candidate for sheriff, lieutenant Chad Bianco was defeated by the incumbent and anti- concealed carry candidate Sheriff Stan Sniff in Riverside county CA.  This happened after the NRA backs the anti-concealed carry Sheriff Sniff.  2.2 million people live in Riverside County so it would be the 34th largest state in the union. and the NRA helped deny them the right of self-defense.

In the good news catagory, Undersheriff Paul Tanaka is in the runoffs for the Sheriff of Los Angeles County.  The underdog Tanaka supports a shall issue policy for concealed carry.  The population of LA county is 10 million people, so that makes LA county the 8th largest state in the US.  We wouldn’t have to wait for the decision of the Peruta case if Tanaka was elected.  With one single election victory, it would double the number of citizens eligible for concealed carry in California.  With such an attractive candidate, I wonder if the NRA will come out against him too.

I’m not sure if this is good news or bad news, but it made me laugh.  The California State Senator who was indicted on federal firearms trafficking and fraud charges.. still received over 200 thousand votes in yesterday’s primary election.  Now you know why they call it the land of the fruits and nuts.

John- Here is a Thank you to the Jackson County Alabama sheriffs office.  There is a credible threat against women according to the Alabama Criminal Justice Department.  More than one thousand rapes and twenty thousand domestic violence cases are reported every year in the state.   A number of women called and asked the Jackson Sheriff’s department for training to safely own and operate their handguns.  Gun safety classes for women begins Saturday June 7th and you can contact the Sheriff’s office for more information.

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Gary- Gun quote- “Only the police should have handguns.” Bill Clinton, Former President of the United States

Rob- Do guns and alcohol mix? How much is too much if we drink and carry? I asked a number of instructors and got a surprisingly wide range of answers.

Even one beer or a small glass of wine impairs our performance and our judgment. Keep that in perspective because our performance varies from day to day and it throughout the day. Shooting at the range is a complex task that takes practice. Shooting in self-defense is harder still.

John- Shooting is a perishable and complex skill, and it is an easy skill to lose when you’re impaired.

As firearms owners, we train to increase our performance and decrease our reaction time. We take classes to recognize the risks we’re likely to face. We practice situational awareness. We train with dry-fire at home and with live fire at the range. Some of us engage in competition to gain some stress inoculation. Every aspect of self-defense gets slower when we drink alcohol.

Rob- I’d forgotten how many pieces have to work together when we use a firearm for self-defense.

One of the instructors related the story of being well trained and in good physical shape. Out of curiosity, he conducted an experiment playing first-person shooter video games while drinking. There was a measurable and significant decrease in his performance after the first beer. Things went downhill from there with each drink that followed.

John- You could argue that he is more highly trained than we are, so his performance dulled more quickly than ours would from taking that first drink. You could also argue that he is better than we are, so we need to keep any advantage we might have.

Rob- Maybe both are true.

John- Drinking isn’t the only thing that affects our performance. I’m sure you’ve noticed your driving skills suffer after the fatigue of a long day and the stress of a few hours in stop and go traffic. Hunger and thirst take their toll as well. Even if we get the right amount of sleep, we are slow to react first thing in the day and last thing at night. We are seldom at our best. On average we are average. Add all those other factors onto our slower reaction time when we drink alcohol.

Paul- It takes 15 minutes to wake up so you can drive a vehicle. We have less time when we’re startled awake.

Rob- Don’t stop there. Nyquil, pain medications and recreational drugs degrade our performance as well. They also put us at risk for legal action if we are carrying under their influence.

Some states set a limit for blood alcohol content when we concealed carry. Michigan sets the level for concealed carry at one quarter the level for being intoxicated while driving. Other states simply say no alcohol is acceptable or use the ambiguous phrase “under the influence” of drugs or alcohol. In that case the smell of alcohol is enough to get your CCW license taken away. It varies from state to state. but remember that some states don’t allow restaurant carry at all.

Gary- Minnesota and South Dakota have very different laws about entering places that serve alcohol.
John- They aren’t as advanced as North Carolina?
Rob- Few places are.

John- A libertarian perspective says you are absolutely responsible for your actions, and some people are impaired at different rates. It is the impairment that counts, not the blood chemistry. I appreciate that point of view. I also wonder if addicts who need their drug to function normally should be carrying. The libertarian philosophy is interesting, but lawyers don’t see things that way.

Rob- You’re a philosopher.
John- I am!

Rob- Firearms instructors teach us to win the first fight with the criminal. They also teach us to win the second fight in our legal system. Lawyers will use any excuse to benefit their clients and place blame somewhere else. Even if you do everything else perfectly, the opposing lawyers will use the fact that you were drinking before their client broke into your home. They will question your innocence even if the thug attacked you. The lawyers will question your judgment and try to place the blame on you. Your actions go from reasonable and prudent and now become wanton and reckless. It isn’t fair that the criminal can drink but you can’t. You will be scrutinized and judged based on other people’s perceptions of your potential impairment, not your actual impairment. You already knew that life wasn’t fair.

John- Your lawyer will tell you that life isn’t fair.. and then charge you $300 for the advice.

John- Suppose you had a beer with dinner, and now at bedtime you realize you should go to the store to get something for breakfast. Should you carry or not? The answers are not black and white.

Rob- I see where you’re going. Suppose you have a glass of wine at home. Nothing happens to your guns. There isn’t a sudden epidemic of gun violence in your home. Aren’t you the same person and would act the same way as if you’d had that drink in a restaurant or a bar?

John- Laws don’t always make sense, but we live with them anyway.

It is unlikely that we will ever be robbed or attacked. We have to recognize that drugs and drinking raises the risk of losing the second fight in court as well as the first one with the criminal. That’s something for us to consider. One instructor who lives in a free state said he’d never been asked about drinking and carrying, and he has instructed for many years. License holders are honest and moderate, so most of us are used to self-regulating our behavior.

Rob- I’m not trying to make a big deal out of drinking, but it does add to our risks and we have to be realistic about it. You will drink.. some amount, some time and at some place. If I go to my daughter’s wedding then I will offer a toast to the bride and groom. If I drink then the designated driver is now the designated defender because I really don’t have my CCW for the next 12 hours.

John- Concealed carry is a lifestyle change. There are places I can’t go if I carry. There are things we can’t do if we’re ready to defend ourselves. Consuming alcohol is one of the things we give up. We have to be clear about that choice, and the lifestyle change goes well beyond simply carrying a gun. Rob, it takes some adjustment.

Rob- I’d like to thank these instructors for their comments.
Kenn Blanchard
Lance Boland
Cathi Bray
Anthony Colandro
Dave Cole
Rick Ector
Charles Heller
Rob- (takes a deep breath)

John- You forgot George Hill
Jim Irvine
Jeff Knox
Curtis Patera
And Stephen Wenger
Rob- I didn’t forget them.
John- Too late now.
Rob- One of the best parts of this podcast is the great people who answer our questions. Send us your questions and we’ll try to get answers.

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John- A burglar broke into a Philadelphia row home at about 7 am this morning.  The burglar was 22-year-old Barron Alexander who is the son of Doctor Kermit Gosnell, the infamous Philadelphia abortion doctor serving a life sentence for killing newborn children and at least one adult.  Alexander broke into the residence and burglarized it twice, stealing cash and electronics.  When he returned a 3rd time and he woke up one of the three college students who lived there.  The first student fought with the burglar and a second students shot Alexander several times.  The third student slept through the robbery.

Officers rushed Alexander to the Hospital of University of Pennsylvania where he was listed in critical but stable condition.  The gun used in the shooting is legally registered to the home owner.  Alexander faces several charges including robbery, burglary and receiving stolen goods.

Rob- We have been told by Michael Bloomberg that college students don’t need guns and in fact, should not have guns.  In this case at least 3 college students disagree with Mayor Bloomberg, and for good reason.

Paul- So mayor Mike wanted that to be another gun free zone?

John-  Yeap.  After all, those gun-free zones have worked so well in the past.. NOT.

Paul- A man knocked on the front door of a rural Coalsville, Iowa home just after 6am Monday morning. When the resident answered the door, the suspect stabbed him in the neck with a knife and then attempted to force his way into the home. Fortunately, the homeowner was armed and shot the intruder four times in the chest.  Despite his wounds, the intruder was still able run to his car and drive several miles before crashing into a ditch.  Responding authorities transported both men to an area hospital where they remain in serious condition.  Police believe the homeowner stopped a robbery and was acting in self-defense.

Rob- Comments- I’m glad the homeowner was armed.  I’m not sure I would be armed if you knocked on my door at 6AM.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John- Here is our listener e-mail discussion, and I finally had an email!!!! Listener Guy Whelan sent this:

A link to a video on MSN News about how bad car jackings are getting at gas stations in Detroit.

It’s not technically a DGU.

You have to wait for it, and the narrator never speaks directly about guns, but check the guy displaying his side arm while pumping gas at the very end of the video.

Thanks for all you do, love the podcast.

Guy Whelan http://news.msn.com/videos?videoid=37b1f6aa-b86c-907b-c2f7-5d28cbf19c34&ap=True

Rob- Rick Ector carries openly when he pumps gas in Detroit.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Paul: John, do you have any new posts your blog you want to mention?

Rob- I posted about the Mars Candy company too.

Paul- Back in the 90s the Dixie Chicks make a political statement about George Bush.. and ended their career.  I’m done buying Mars products.  They entered into the political world.. and didn’t have to.

John – I did one this afternoon titled “Clowns to the left of me; jokers to the right” about the open carry activists in Texas. Just like we didn’t win hearts and minds in Vietnam with carpet bombing, we aren’t winning hearts and minds in Texas invading private property to push open carry. There is a smart way to do things and a stupid way. OCT is stuck on stupid.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network. Consider Modern Rifleman Radio.  Ken is putting out shows from his hospital bed.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

John: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 240 – Vinnie Brown

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, May 31st, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on today’s episode we have a discussion about veterans issues and the state of the nation’s defense.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of self-defense news and defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in.
Paul and hang on! Episode 240 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Paul- Rachel is busy saving Texas at the largest political convention in the world, the republican party convention in Fort Worth, Texas.

Rob- I went out to the desert to shoot my Mosin Nagant. The mojo sights work, but they swim in the desert heat. I really need a limbsaver butt pad. I have a rubber pad, but I come home looking like my shoulder went to a bar fight and got stepped on. I hit a rock behind the cardboard target and turned it to gravel. I have to bed the barrel to get minute of accuracy, but I’m at minute of pig already.

I had fun asking a dozen firearms instructors about guns and alcohol. Their answers will make it into the midweeks show’s tips and tricks segment.

I signed up to coach at an NRA Women on Target event.

John – About the only thing I did gun related since Wednesday was look at the empty spot where .22 LR ammo used to be at WalMart. I spoke to the clerk who said they hadn’t had any in for the last 3 weeks. However, we have a new Dicks opening up on Friday and I plan to hit it when it opens even though they waffled on the 2A after Newtown.

Gary- playing catch up in the store. Lots of local orders.

Paul- Training a student driver in the truck. Got home at 5AM.

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Rob- There are rules for the rich and famous, and there are separate rules for the rest of the students at Brown University.  Actress Emma Watson graduated from Brown this week.  Sitting next to her was a personal bodyguard wearing a cap and gown.. and open carrying a pistol.  So far, so good, except this is a gun-free zone.  Providence Rhode Island police and Brown university confirmed that the bodyguard was not working for them.  This means you get to break the law if you are one of the rich and famous.  This means campus security will call out the SWAT team and arrest you if you are a young woman working late nights delivering pizza while carrying a sidearm for personal protection.. unless you can afford your own private security detail.  I have no problem with the bodyguard carrying firearms.  I have a problem with Brown denying self-protection to everyone else.  When asked, spokesmen for Brown University and Watson’s publicist refused to comment.

Comments-  Is this what it boils down to?  We’re too important to arrest, and we can cause you more trouble than you can cause for us.

Paul- Governor Eddie Calvo signed “shall issue” into law for the US territory of Guam.  The bill covers all weapons including firearms, grants a permit for three years, and requires a written excuse for denial.  Guam was covered by the 9th circuit courts Peruta decision.  The territory of Guam joins the 40 states who are already shall issue.  Too bad for the ten who are slow to learn.  Six states allow bureaucrats to arbitrarily deny concealed carry. They are Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York.

Comments- Rob, I’m coming to respect the legislators in Guam a lot more than I do the legislators in California where I live.

John- The power to regulate is the power to destroy.  That is why banks have to listen when the Department of Justice under Operation “choke point” advised banks to refuse accounts to certain business.. businesses such as firearms and ammunition dealers. Also targeted were porn stars, payday lenders, and online lending. The DOJ took a FDIC memo about “high risk activity” and started issuing subpoenas improperly under the a section of the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery, and Enforcement Act of 1989 according to a report issued Thursday by the House Oversight Committee.

That is what happened to Mark Cohen, the owner of Powderhorn Outfitters located in Hyannis, Massachusetts.  The company had done business with TD Bank for years, but were denied a line of credit even though their finances were good and their credit history was spotless.  The bank said they could not approve credit because Powderhorn Outfitters sells guns.

Comment- Rob- so the federal government is for sale and each party in power gets to abuse everyone else.  Well that stinks and we should take away Barack’s phone and his pen.

John- The US House of Representatives took steps in that direction on Thursday when they passed an amendment to stop all federal funding used for the Department of Justice’s Operation Choke Point.

The amendment was brought to the floor by Rep. Blane Luetkemeyer, a Republican from Missouri, who is a member of the House Financial Services Committee and is vice chairman of the House Small Business Committee. The amendment was sponsored by three democrats and two more republicans. The voice vote came as part of the debate on the annual spending bill for the Justice Department and needs Senate approval to become law.

Rob- Two House Democrats introduced legislation Friday to deny firearms to more people.  Representatives Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) and Ed Perlmutter (D-Colo.) want to prohibit

gun purchases and firearms ownership to those convicted of misdemeanor stalking, as well as those receiving involuntary mental health services on an outpatient basis.  Both categories would go into a newly formed FBI database.

*** Comments-  Good that a conviction is required rather than merely the accusation of stalking.  The accusation of stalking is often used as lawfare during divorce.

Bad that the legislation will scare people away from seeking treatment for mental health conditions.  Note that you need not be found to be a harm to yourself or others, and the category could be misused to include someone who was hospitalized for an unfavorable drug interaction.

Rob- That is exactly what has happened to some California gun owners.

I did not see an appeals process once you are on the data base, nor if the ban was temporary or applied for a lifetime.

Paul- So the government that can’t find 10 million illegal aliens says it will find 100 million firearms.  Did I tell you that the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s office forgot to look for the Santa Barbara murderer’s name on the list of firearms owners?  Yhep, that’s true even though law enforcement was called by the killer’s parents and his mental health counselors who were worried he was suicidal.

Comment- Rob- According to California legislators, the cure to fix big unresponsive government is more laws and  more government.

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John- The Louisiana legislature passed, and Governor Bobby Jindal signed into law a bill allowing suppressors to be used to take both game and nongame animals.  This allows farmers and ranchers to hunt nongame animals with suppressed firearms.  Think of a rancher shooting a predator like a coyote at dusk when he doesn’t want to frighten his herd.  He also doesn’t want to scare off the second predator.  Montana is the only state that forbids using suppressors to take nongame animals.

Rob- I always wondered why pig and coyote hunters didn’t use suppressed firearms.  I’m sure the farmers and their neighbors appreciate it.

Paul- Life is hard.. but it is harder when you’re stupid.  The chain of Sonic drive-through restaurants proudly announced that it is a gun-free company as of last Friday.  They asked their customers not to carry, and the corporate management forbids their employees from carrying on premises.  Within hours, one of their employees was robbed delivering food to a customer in Topeka, Kansas.

Comment- John- Maybe gun free zones are dangerous.

Rob- Doctor John Lott asked the question, “How can we prevent mass murderers?”  We have part of the answer from the Santa Barbara murderer himself.  This crazy man spent over 18 months meticulously planning his attack.  His 141-page “manifesto”  (link to searchable PDF) makes it clear he feared someone with a gun could stop him before he was able to kill as many as he wanted.  Here is one section where he considers when and where to attack.

Quote “Another option was Deltopia, a day in which many young people pour in from all over the state to have a spring break party on Del Playa Street.  I figured this would be the perfect day to attack Isla Vista, but after watching Youtube videos of previous Deltopia parties, I saw that there were way too many cops walking around on such an event.  It would be impossible to kill enough of my enemies before being dispatched by those damnable cops.”

He told us that mass murderers fear honest men with guns.  That is why the murderer attacked disarmed citizens in a “gun-free” zone next to campus.

Comment-  John-  Yhep, gun-free zones ARE dangerous.

John- The Santa Barbara murderer thought women were supposed to act like pornstars and sleep with him.  His “manifesto” documents how much he hated the women who wouldn’t.  Wanting to shame both men and firearms in one lie, the anti-gun group Moms Demand Action made up data and said that US women make up the vast majority of those women killed with firearms.  Doctor Lott dug up the real data and called the Bloomberg group a bunch of liars.Lott chart woman percent

Comment- Rob- Please support Doctor Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center with a monthly donation.  I did.

Paul- Here is our daily gun quote, and this one is by Ann Coulter.  She said, “The most crazed religious fanatic argues in more calm and reasoned tones than liberals responding to statistics on concealed-carry permits.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Rob- This DGU was e-mailed in by listener Scott Gibbons. I’ve met Scott, so thank you.

A 28 year old marine veteran sat down to lunch in north Harris county, Texas when he noticed two men dressed in hoodies with bandanas over their faces running from a GameStop video center.  They were stuffing cash, video games and X-boxes into their car trunk.  The marine walked out to his truck when one of the robbers pointed a gun at him.  The marine has his Texas Concealed Handgun License and was carrying.  He shot the robber and the robber fled to his getaway car.  The second criminal simply turned and headed the other way.  Bystanders reported the criminal stripping off his hoodie and bandana as he ran.  The first robber died at the scene while the second was picked up by police in a nearby shopping center.

Police investigators released the veteran after questioning.  He was not hurt but was still shaken up by the experience.  Bystanders said, “This is our neighborhood and I just want to say thank you. My kids go in that Gamestop.”

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John- Three men knocked on an apartment door early Thursday morning.  The resident answered her door in the Laurel Ridge Apartments of East Point, Georgia.  The men claimed they were with the East Point Police Department, and they tried to force their way into the apartment when the women cracked the door to look.  One of the intruders had a gun, but the resident was ready with her own handgun.  She fired three times and struck one of the teens in the head and buttocks.  Police captured the injured teen, but his accomplices escaped.

Neighbors were glad their neighbor was armed.

Comment-  The neighbors were tired of the crime.

Paul- This DGU couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.  On the west side of Detroit, two criminals were robbing and beating their victim late Monday night.  One of the criminals was busy pistol whipping the the victim when the gun went off and struck the other criminal in the neck.  The Detroit News doesn’t report if the wounded criminal died at the scene or was transported to the hospital.

Comment- Rob- They pass a handful of new laws if a nut shoots white kids in California.  Then the media and legislators yawn about brown people getting shot in Detroit and Chicago.

John- Call them murders, not shootings.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John – Despite the obvious relevance of my post about gun shot wounds infected with “squirrel parts”, I think I’ll just mention a post from this morning. Friday, the White House Press Secretary Jay Carney resigned and was replaced by Josh Earnest. While he does not appear to be anywhere near as smarmy as Jay Carney – and it would be a hard thing to do – of more concern to us in the gun culture is one of Earnest’s former jobs. He was a communications advisor to Mayor Bloomberg back when Bloomberg first ran for office. Earnest bears watching.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Gary: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Paul: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Gary: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

John: Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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