Episode 239 – Rant about the Santa Barbara Murders

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, May28th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have a rant about the murders in Santa Barbara
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
Rachel: strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 239 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rachel: I’m wrapping up the school year, getting ready for my sister’s graduation in West Texas, and working like crazy getting ready for the Texas State Republican convention next week. It’s the largest political gathering in the world. I’ll be there all week, so stop by the Rules Committee meetings and say hello.
John: Pass
Rob: Dry practice
Gary: chat about first trip with granddaughters to Fort Snelliing National Cemetery – and finding lost relatives.

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Seg 2- News

Rachel- comments on the Texas elections
Turnout for primary elections is typically low. The same goes for run-off elections. How about a primary run-off? Around 5% of Texas’ registered voters made it out for several statewide races and another handful of local races. The gun groups’ top pick for Lt. Governor (the president of the Senate) didn’t make it to this run-off, and most gun rights people were disappointed with the two choices we were given. We ended up kicking out the current guy, Dewhurst. We’ll see how the new one does. We did have an unfortunate loss in a house race: TJ Fabby, whom I’ve dubbed the Constitutional Carry Candidate, lost his election in the primary run-off yesterday. Now we’re going to have to work harder than ever for strong gun legislation next session.

We did have some wins, though! This primary season, we’ve thrown out several incumbents and will be replacing them with more liberty-minded reps. That should help.

Rob: Here is my rant on the Santa Barbara murders.

This is an un-teachable moment.  A young man stabbed three people on Friday.  He hit several people with his car and shot three people next to the University of California Santa Barbara campus.  This should teach us what makes us safe and what doesn’t.  This event should teach us.  The sad news is we don’t want to learn.

In his published statements, a pampered murdering son blames everyone for his failures. everyone except himself.  He drives an expensive car and lives a luxurious life he didn’t earn.  He writes about hating his parents and wanting to stab his step mother and half brother.  The murder’s father said he hates guns and wants better mental health treatment.. for his son who has been in therapy since he was eight years old.  A father of one of the victims blames the NRA and politicians who allowed guns into the world.. while his son was killed in a gun-free zone.

Do you notice a pattern here?  The father blames mental illness.  The victims father blames guns and the NRA.  The son blamed others for his problems.  Unfortunately, we are also part of that same pattern.  We refuse to learn from past mistakes and we blame others instead of providing real solutions.  Let’s stop placing blame.

Instead, let me describe the next public murder for you.

  • The murderer has a narcissistic personality and demands attention.  He wants his name in the news and will kill to get it there.
  • The attack is launched against people in a gun free zone because narcissists don’t like competition.
  • The murderer has mental health issues and is probably be on psychotropic drugs prescribed by a doctor.
  • The murderer is enthralled by violent video games and spends a lot of his time playing them.
  • There are warning signs, and they are ignored.

Making predictions about the media’s reaction to the next public murder is too easy.  Liberal media will blame the NRA and lax gun laws even though the murders took place in gun-control paradise.

This crime took place in an anti-gun state, in an anti-gun county, in an anti-gun school zone.  This crime should have been impossible if gun control actually worked.  Evidence screams that gun control doesn’t work, but we won’t learn from our mistakes.  Instead, liberal politicians will double down on gun-control and claim it is for the children.  The media will support them.

Here comes the new tragedy, same as the old tragedy.. until we learn.  <Rant off>

Rachel-  Documents indicate he planning the murders over the last 5 months.

Gary: Joe the plumber comment – will comment on this.

John – From Tam at View from the Porch is probably the best comment on how the media reacts: “So there’s a “mass* shooting” that would have been a page three wet firecracker in Compton, but do it to some cracker kids from the ‘burbs serving their four years at the Special Snowflake Warehouse & Indoc Center and the nation just loses its collective $#!+.

Apparently busting caps in three people’s asses isa lot bigger deal if you do it out the window of an ’08 Bimmer instead of a ’94 Caprice.”

Rachel- By Saturday morning the Moms Demand more money group on Facebook had many posts  blaming the NRA.  They are blaming the NRA for the murders committed by a confirmed anti-gun hollywood sociopath.  Any excuse will do.

Comments.  Rob: They blame the biggest firearms safety organization in the country.  Now that is stupid.

John- The 22 year old murderer purchased his firearms legally in California and passed three background checks as an adult.   He was not a prohibited person even though he received numerous requests by his family for police to visit the student and perform a wellness check.  This after he had been in therapy since he was 8 years old and was now seeing multiple therapists.  One of the therapists works for the Los Angeles County Department of Family and Child Services. California law applies, so I hope the therapists are very well insured.

Gary- This murder is similar to others.  The murderers at the elementary school at Sandy Hook, Connecticut, at the movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, at the Washington Navy Yard, and at Fort Hood were equally crazy.. and all of them passed background checks because they were not prohibited persons.  We simply have no way to anticipate violence.

Rachel- That doesn’t stop the politicians.  Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut and Representative Peter King from Long Island, New York called for stricter firearms legislation after the California murders.   Quote, “Obviously, not every kind of gun violence is going to be prevented by laws out of Washington, but at least we can make a start.”

Really, Senator?  Really, Congressman?  After passing some 23 thousand laws restricting firearms, I kind of hoped you’d be done by now and we could finally see the beneficial results you promised from gun control.  As far as I and the researchers can tell, the beneficial effects of gun control are always one more law away.. and always will be.  They didn’t slow this murderer down, and the next law won’t either.

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Gary- Background checks don’t stop murderers and they don’t bother criminals.  Thieves targeted Florida gun owners in their search to illegally acquire guns.  Four cars were broken into during broad daylight in a high traffic parking area for a central Florida gun show.  Thieves made off with guns, ammo, cameras, and other items while causing thousands of dollars in damage to the vehicles.  I guess the thieves aren’t going the legal route and submitted to those background checks the anti-gunners are so proud of.

Comment- Rob, that doesn’t stop the anti-gunners from claiming gun registration and background checks are wonderful.

John- The media loves a good massacre, and loves to ignore one.  In Chicago late last month, 39 people were shot in one weekend.  That is predominantly black-on-black crime and ignored by our national media.  Instead the media focuses on the sizzle of a sociopathic pampered playboy driving a BMW in California.

Rachel- Here is more news from Chicago.  Mayor Rahm Emanuel is proposing a far-reaching ordinance that would keep gun stores out of 99.5 percent of Chicago.  It also requires stores to videotape every sale.  They also would have to get the police to approve a security plan before they could open their doors.  What stupid federal judge allowed Chicago politicians to make those rules?

Gary: do we have his name.

Rob- There may be a limit to the stupidity of New Jersey politicians, but not much.  It appears the magazine capacity bill that limited magazine capacity to 10 rounds now exempts tube fed 22 rifles.  I don’t know how they made that change after the bill went through committee, but breaking the law would never bother a Jersey politician.

John- This news is right out of the Acorn Scandal.  Anti-gun lawmakers in Rhode Island wrote a 10 percent sales tax on guns and ammunition.  That is an additional ten percent on top of the existing federal, state and local taxes.  These tax proceeds are supposed to go to law enforcement, except law enforcement is allowed to give the money to non-profit anti-gun groups.  These are the same anti-gun groups who donate to anti-gun politicians.

The anti-gun politicians just wrote themselves a campaign donation with taxpayers money.  Rahm Emanuel and the Chicago machine would be proud.. or envious.

Comment- If you wanted to promote gun safety you’d give the money to the NRA.

Rachel- There is some good news down south.  Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal signed two firearms bills into law.  The first allows concealed carry holders to enter a restaurant where liquor is sold, though they can not drink alcohol.  The law also allows current and retired law enforcement officers, judges and district attorneys to carry concealed in bars.  There are laws for them and separate laws for us.

The second law expands the castle doctrine.  Louisiana already protected the homeowner from being sued if they killed a criminal breaking into their home or car.  The new law prevents suit if the criminal is only injured.

Rob- Here is a bit of good sense from Georgia.  Appling, Georgia to be exact.  Citizens interested in learning how to safely carry, handle and shoot their handguns were invited to the Columbia County Sheriff’s Office Citizen’s Firearms Academy. The free class was held on Saturday at the sheriff’s Training Center.

The class informed citizens about firearms laws in Georgia, and developed marksmanship and safety skills. Georgia has new open carry laws and there was a live-fire portion of the class as well.  Georgia listeners can follow the link in our show notes to look into the next class.

John- Texas is far from perfect.  Amelia Pickens called police about a car she suspected had hit her daughter’s car.  Arlington police officer Phil Hill arrived and two of the car’s occupants were ultimately arrested, one for an outstanding warrant and one for possession of a controlled substance.

When Amelia handed over her license and proof of insurance, she explained she had a CHL as required by Texas law.  That was when Officer Hill seized her purse and confiscated her firearm.

Pickens said, “I’m disabled. My husband goes out of town quite frequently. I have to be able to defend myself.  There should have been no reason why at all that he took my gun. I didn’t do anything bad with my gun.  I didn’t brandish it. I didn’t even say I had a gun.  The only time my gun was mentioned was when the officer asked me for my drivers license and insurance. I have to show my CHL at that particular point.”

It sounds like Arlington Police need a law suit, a monetary judgement, and some serious retraining.

Gun Quote of the day
Rob- Criminals obey gun laws like politicians follow their oaths of office.. source unknown.
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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- A 22 year old man in Orosi, California heard someone trying to enter his home at 5:30 in the morning.  His parents are farmworkers and had already left for the day, while he supervised his three younger siblings.  The 22 year old grabbed the family gun and traded shots when the thieves broke through the door.  He was shot multiple times, but Police found two suspects outside the home also suffering from gunshot wounds.  One died, and the other underwent surgery.

The young man who defended his family is expected to fully recover.  Police say there are still suspects at large and are seeking the driver of a gray Astro Van and they have the license number.

Comment- Rachel- As I tell my students, crime doesn’t make an appointment.  Carry or hope you guess right.

Rachel- Retired Police Officer Derek Bishop sat in a Mercedes in East New York at about 3:15 Tuesday morning.  Bishop works security at a nearby recycling plant when Manuel Ocampo and his 18-year-old cousin approached the car, pointed a gun at Officer Bishop.  The thieves demanded his money and keys.  Bishop gave the pair some money, but they demanded more.  The cousin, Rashawn Thompson, moved to the passenger side door and Manuel Ocampo stayed on the driver’s side.  That is when Officer Bishop got out of the car, drew his weapon and opened fire, hitting Ocampo in the chest and head.  He died at the hospital.

“It’s not a good feeling to shoot anybody,” Bishop said Tuesday afternoon, tears streaming down his face. “It was just something that happened. I didn’t want to die. I wanted to be able to see my kids and my wife.”

Comment-  Rob, I have sympathy for the officer, but I also have sympathy for the rest of the legally disarmed civilians in NYC who deserve the right of self- defense so they too can go home and see their loved ones.

John -Two robbers entered the Wholesale Mattress Warehouse in Charlotte, North Carolina on Sunday afternoon.  The thief put a gun in the store owners face and demanded his cellphone and cash.  He threatened to kill him if he did not comply.  The store owner reached into the till and pulled out a gun of his own.  He shot one of the robbers and the robber fired back but didn’t hit the store owner.  The injured suspect was transported to Carolinas Medical Center with a bullet wound in his stomach.  The shooter is cooperating with investigators, police said.

Comment- Rob- Action beats reaction, but only if you practice.

Rob- This is a good week for defensive gun use with no shots fired.  For starters, 22 year old Jessica McDonald works at Discount Textbooks in Fort Dodge, Iowa. She had just opened the store at 9 in the morning when a man came in, put a bandana over his face and demanded money.  Jessica showed him the still empty till.  The robber came around behind the counter and repeated his demands.  That is when Jessica grabbed the gun kept behind the counter and pointed it at the thief.  She told him to leave the store as she backed away with the gun pointed at the man.

She said “I feel comfortable now using it, but I always said I never thought I would.  It was shocking to me when I started here that there is a gun and I always thought it was over the top and we didn’t need it, but I’m very glad that we have it.“

Store Manager Paul Tigges said the firearm was put there for employees’ safety.

The thief fled and the police do not have suspects in custody.

Comment- This is why you should carry.

Rachel- Two men repeatedly called a young woman in Salt Lake City, Utah.  After she stopped answering the phone, the two men, armed with guns, kicked in the door to her home.  The girl’s father grabbed his handgun and confronted the intruders who were young men he recognized.  The intruders fled.

The two men were quickly arrested on suspicion of aggravated burglary and aggravated assault. They were booked into the Salt Lake County Jail.

Comment- These young men are lucky to be alive.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.  We’ll be right back after this advertisement and our tips and tricks segment on the four safety rules.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rachel: From Robert in New York
You did not list the New York state rifle and pistol association as a member of the NYSRPA . We need all the help we can get. With the states governor thinking he feels that he knows better than real people. You have to remember that he has never done an honest Day’s work he went from school right politics . And he has done a lousy job with anything he has done.

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John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Gary: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

– You want craven, I’ll give you craven! Blood dancing by the anti’s to raise money and push gun control.

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Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

John: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show, stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 238 – Memorial Day and Frank Fiamingo

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul- Memorial day
Paul- mag 40 and the bucket list

John- I’m wearing my CalGuns Tee in honor of their latest lawsuit against Kamala Harris. I’d like to also like to remember those who have died in the service of our country. Without their sacrifice – and that of their families – we wouldn’t be the nation that we are.

Rachel- Last weekend, I visited the Silencer Shop here in Austin along with a friend who was picking up a suppressor he’s been waiting for five or six months. This week, a friend suggested I take a stress-relieving trip to the range (brilliant) – but the best I’ve been able to do is to wear my T-shirt that says “Bullets Make Me Happy” and dream about shooting cool guns.

Rob- I’m now an NRA pistol instructor. That was a long 2 day course, but it definitely changed my attitude. I took the course so I would be consistent and teach my friends. I changed my mind because I don’t want to be an average instructor even if I only teach a few friends. That means that I have to go back and unpack the class notes I just crammed. I have my reading set out for me for the next few weeks as I study and re-study the material. Second, we learn to teach by teaching. That means I have to work with and watch better instructors if I’m going to do justice to my students. I have to apprentice myself.

In the class I met a guy who makes custom holsters, so I have three new kydex holsters and mag pouches on order for my 22 handguns.

Today I visited a brand new firearms store with a laser training simulator in my town.

John, I still haven’t gotten to shoot the Mosin Nagant with Mojo sights. Did you see the pictures of the sights?Mojo sight rear

Gary –
Paul- Link to Mag 20 class schedule
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Rob- Have you guys seen the new episode of Colion Noir’s interview show called Noir on NRA Freestyle TV?  It stars Colion and Amy Robbins.  Episode two is out.  I’ll watch a few more episodes.

Comments- Why is this program about pop-culture and firearms important?

Paul- A murderer near the University of California at Santa Barbara killed for 10 minutes in streets filled with university students walking, biking and skateboarding in the beach community.  The murderer acted in a way that was similar to the threats he posted on a  YouTube video posted that same night. Seven people were killed in all, including the shooter.

During the statement by the murderer’s family’s attorney, it was revealed that the family is staunchly anti-gun and support gun control laws. Quote “This country, this world, needs to address mental illness and the ramifications from not recognizing these illnesses.”

Comment- Where have we seen this before?  Arapahoe High School, Colorado

Comment- Crazy people, particularly rich crazy people who want sex and resent their social awkwardness do a lot of damage when no one can stop them.

Comment- gun free zone in a “won’t issue” California county.

John- We told you about the Hinsdale Illinois eagle scout who was suspended for a day after he wore a shirt with an outline of a gun that advertised his shooting team.  Highschool senior Chris Borg spoke at the school board meeting.  Both the school board and the school administration were evasive enough to make my stomach turn.  The school said they would remove the suspension from Borg’s record.

Comment- Why is it important to publicly ridicule anti-gun bureaucrats?

Rachel- Remington Arms is moving another two of its firearms models from its Ilion, New York facility to its new plant in Huntsville, Alabama.  This includes its line of Bushmaster rifles and its 1911 handguns.  Federal legislators like New York Senator Charles Schumer and New York Governor Cuomo endorsed gun control, and then claimed it wouldn’t cost jobs.  It looks like the New York politicians were wrong again.. not that they care.  Ilion New York is closer to the Canadian border than it is to New York City.. and probably didn’t vote for them anyway.

Comment- Why does this matter to New York gun owners and New York voters?  Why does it matter to the rest of us outside NY?

Rob- My sheriff Bill Gore, the Sheriff of San Diego County, now says he wants the California Attorney General Kamala Harris to appeal the Peruta court decision.  Kamala Harris also said she did not want to be part of the Peruta case.. until the gun grabbers lost the case.  Originally Gore said he wanted to hand out carry licenses, but the law prevented it.  Then he said he would obey any decision handed down by the courts. Now he says he wants someone else to appeal the case.  Sheriff Gore’s changing his story doesn’t surprise me at bit.  The only amendment Gore supports is the fifth.

Comment- What is the political cost if an incumbent Sheriff lies to his constituents?

John- This is what happens when corrupt anti-gun politicians can “interpret” the law in Colorado.  Sara Warren has her carry license.  She was in a traffic accident and the police collected her firearm from the EMTs.  Now, Sara can’t get her gun back because the Fort Collins city attorney won’t give it to her.  First the city attorney said they needed a background check, so Sara gave them all the information they needed.  Then the city attorney said they needed an FFL, so Sara brought along a police officer she knew who was an FFL and who would transfer her firearm back to her.  The anti-gun city attorney threatened to prosecute any officer who transferred the firearm to Sara Warren.

The police are allowed to temporarily hold a firearm for 72 hours without a transfer.  They should have returned her firearm at that time.  The Fort Collins city attorney only agreed to return her firearm when the press started pestering him.

Comment- Who is politically responsible for these decisions?  (The mayor or city council appointed Steve Roy as City Attorney.
Why is this important to Colorado gun owners?
Why is this important to all Colorado citizens?
Should Sara have reported the firearm stolen since it was taken by extra-legal means?

Rob- How many of you have heard about Doctor John Lott?  He wrote the books on guns and crime.  Books like “more guns less crime” and “The Bias Against Guns.”  Dr Lott digs out the anti-gun lies and destroys them root and branch.  I’ve read three of his books and shaken his hand at the GRPC conferences.  Dr. Lott started a research institute about guns and crime, and he wants to fund the institute with crowdsourcing.  Bloomberg dropped a few million dollars on a university so the purchased professors would spew out the anti-gun research papers that Mayor Mike wants.  Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor Lott.  I said we.  I did.  Now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Comments- Why is accurate research important to the right of self-defense?

John- Just because the Brady Campaign has been made largely irrelevant by Michael Bloomberg’s money and Everytown Moms for Illegal Guns doesn’t mean that they still can’t cause trouble. On Monday, they filed suit in conjunction with their NJ chapter to force the Acting Attorney General of New Jersey to file the required “personalized handgun” report. If the AG attests that a “smart gun” has been either offered for retail sale or that a manufacturer has delivered a production model of one to a FFL, then the 3-year clock starts. After that time ONLY “personalized handguns” will be allowed to be sold in the state of New Jersey. The timing of the filing of the suit came a day after Ernst Mauch who is the head of Armatrix had an op-ed in the Washington Post about “smart guns”.  While it could just be a coincidence, that is highly unlikely.

Comment- Rob- The legal tactic is called sue and settle.  A politician finds a special interest group to sue the state, and then the state offers no defense.  The presiding judge dictates the terms of the settlement.

Comment- What problem is the smart gun supposed to solve?
Comment- Why are LEOs exempt from the smart gun law?

Rachel – The CalGuns Foundation and Cal-FFL have filed suit against CA AG Kamala Harris in Sacramento Superior Court. Harris has recently issued a new interpretation of a long standing law in California which would limit those who have a FFL and a Cal DOJ Certificate of Eligibility to one handgun per month. This impacts those who have the Curios & Relics FFLs and a DOJ certificate. Harris is saying the exemption in the law to the 1 handgun in 30 limit is only for C&R handguns and not more modern handguns. Attorney Bradley Benbrook says this blocks individuals from exercising rights granted to them by the Legislature. The case is called Doe v. Harris.

Comment- What is the problem with Attorneys General adopting their own interpretation of standing law?

Paul- Rob had a rant about smart activism versus simply grabbing public attention.  Now the chain of Chipotle restaurants has asked citizens not to carry on their property.  The Denver-based company has traditionally complied with local laws regarding open and concealed firearms.  Guys, I’d ask you to carry concealed or carry smart.

Other businesses took a different approach.  “Dunkin’ Donuts and Baskin-Robbins restaurants are owned and operated by individual franchisees who are required to follow all federal, state and local laws with regard to firearms,” said a Dunkin’ Brands spokeswoman.

Rich Jeffers, director of communications at Darden Restaurants, the parent company of Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse said “Our approach has always been that we abide by all local and state laws.”

McDonald’s spokeswoman Lisa McComb said: “For franchisee-owned restaurants, operational decisions regarding open carry weapon laws are made by the independent franchisee.”

Comment – Shannon Watts and her minions are trolling the Internet looking for pictures of open carry in Texas. It doesn’t matter if it hasn’t been done in a year, she’ll try to make an issue of it. She posted year-old pictures of OC at a Smashburger even though they had to stop allowing open carry last year.

Rachel- Here in Texas, several open carry groups have made a joint statement calling their members to be responsible and wise as they exercise their right to open carry firearms. I applaud them for this self-regulation. Their new policies are designed to keep their stated mission in focus, and include instructions to notify law enforcement, use slings, leave a business quietly without a problem when asked to, and, when carrying inside a business, try to keep to local small businesses that are 2A friendly. While the Huffington Post reported this as “backing down” by the open carry groups, I see it as moving forward. Regulating themselves responsibly is a wise, strategic move as they present a positive image of gun ownership and bearing of arms to the American public.

John- The Pit Authentic Barbecue restaurant in Durham, North Carolina was the site of an armed robbery last Sunday night. Three masked men with pistols entered the back door, assaulted a couple of employees, and got away. NC Gun Blog points out, “The robbers had all the power. No one could resist them. Why? Because the owner of The Pit Authentic Barbecue has banned guns in his restaurant.”

Blogger Sean Sorrentino also states, “I am very glad that no one was seriously injured. But everyone involved needs to face one very important fact. They were not murdered only because the robbers did not decide to kill them.” It appears that the restaurant owner was making an intentional political statement with his gun-free zone. Last year, his restaurant hosted part of  Gabby Gifford’s anti-gun tour. Looks like the robbers made a statement of their own.

Jack in the Box fast food restaurants issued a similar no-guns policy for company owned stores, and three of their stores were robbed.

Comment- Are gun-free stores safe for anyone?

Stores have to properly post their no-guns policy in accordance with state regulations or the signs don’t have the force of law.

Rob-This is the season of primary elections.  That means we’re sure to be disappointed, but it also means we have to take joy in other’s successes.  In West Virginia, a 17 year old high school student ran against a sitting state delegate.  Sara Blair is graduating from high school later this month and will be in the general election in the fall after her electoral win.  Sara describe herself as a fiscal conservative who is pro gun rights, anti abortion and pro business. She is expected to win the election in the fall.

Comment- Why is it important to have young pro-gun politicians in office?

Paul-Voting along party lines, the Democrat controlled New Jersey legislature sent Governor Chris Christie a bill limiting firearms magazine capacity to 10 rounds or less.  There is neither a grandfather clause in the bill, nor is there a provision for reimbursements so citizens can make their firearms comply with New Jersey law.  The law isn’t clear if the magazine capacity is only determined by the standard ammunition used in the firearms, since 22 shorts can be loaded into a tubular magazine as well as 22 long rifle cartridges.  Of course, the restrictions to not apply to law enforcement officers.  Please write Governor Christie and ask him to veto the bill.

Comment- This is cultural cleansing of firearm owners from New Jersey.  The Democrats want firearm owners to leave the state.

Rob- Gun Quotes
“When the law disallows both the means and moral authority to defend one’s self and property, crime and violence fill the void between common sense and the hoped for utopia.”  – JD Filkins

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this advertisement Concealment Solutions and the interview with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Don’t mess with Texas, and certainly don’t mess with 17 year old Samantha Mayhue’s who lives in Cypress, Texas near Houston.  There have been half a dozen car break ins this year on this otherwise quiet street.  That explains why there are dual electronic locks on the front door at Samantha’s home.  She still thinks someone would have to be crazy to try and break into her house where a Texas flag flies on the driveway.  She heard someone try her front door before the alarm sounded.  Samantha went straight for her father’s Glock and called the police.

“Everyone knows we have guns in here.  Daddy taught me right. I wasn’t afraid to do what I needed to do.  I was going to pull the trigger and aim for the chest and keep pulling it until the 17 rounds out of my dad’s Glock 19 was gone,” Mayhue said.  Luckily, the alarm scared the would-be intruder away.  Samantha Mayhue wants to be a tactical firearms instructor in a few years.

Comment- Does disarming a young lady make her safer or put her at risk from others?

John- Muncie [IN] police say a convicted bandit got more than he bargained for when he tried to hold up a south side liquor store late Friday. Authorities said Anthony J. Williams, 47, was shot in the pelvic region as he struggled with a female clerk over possession of a handgun. Williams entered the liquor store about 11:15 p.m., pretended to have a weapon and demanded cash from the female clerk. The clerk believed Williams was trying to grab a handgun that was behind the store’s counter. A struggle then ensued between the clerk and Williams, ending when the gun discharged, seriously wounding the would-be bandit, police said. Williams was transported to IU Health Ball Memorial Hospital. Police at first thought his wound was potentially life-threatening, but later reports that his condition is believed to have stabilized..

Comment- Rachel, this sounds like having a gun under the counter is as ill advised as purse carry.  Why not carry on body?

Rachel- Back in Houston Texas- A man was walking through an apartment complex late Wednesday night when he was approached by a man who demanded he surrender his wallet and cell phone.  The victim felt threatened enough to draw his concealed handgun and open fire on the suspect.  The suspect was hit twice, but still managed to run to a waiting getaway car. He was picked up by police at a nearby hospital.  The suspect was in surgery early Thursday morning.  Police don’t expect to file charges filed against the robbery victim.

Comment- Robberies, like other accidents, happen where we are, and we are often near home.

John- A Granville County, North Carolina homeowner is safe and unharmed after burglars tried to break into his home Tuesday morning. The same cannot be said for one of the burglars. 20 year old Rodney Hanks Junior broke into a home Tuesday morning with a gun and a knife.  The homeowner shot him.  His fellow burglars were seen leaving the scene and are still on the loose.

Sheriff Brendell Wilkins said they are not releasing the name of the homeowner for his safety. He went on to add regarding the homeowner, ““They were breaking into his house; you’ve got the right to defend yourself. The suspect had a gun and a knife.” That is a sheriff who gets it.

Paul- Don’t bring a crowbar to a gunfight.. at least in Fort Wayne, Indiana.  Nathan Simmerson and four other masked men broke into a home Tuesday night.  Simmerson went upstairs.. where he met the armed home owner.  Simmerson, armed with a crowbar, fled and locked himself in a bathroom.  One of the downstairs victims yelled for the homeowner to come down with his assault rifle.. and the four downstairs robbers fled.  Simmerson tried to run but was tackled by the residents and held for police.  Simmerson says he doesn’t know the names of his accomplices.  I noticed that the papers already had his picture on file.

Gary- Don’t bring a baseball bat to a gunfight either.  A Toledo, Ohio woman and her boyfriend were attacked by a man wielding a bat Monday afternoon.  The boyfriend was struck on his arm with the bat.  The woman has her concealed carry permit and drew her pistol from her purse as the attacker moved toward her.  She fired twice and the attacker ran.  The attacker drove to the University of Toledo Medical Center in a private vehicle seeking treatment for gunshot wounds to his legs.

Comment- How quickly could you react to an attack?

Paul- More from Struthers, Ohio this last Wednesday.  Two teens entered a Sami Quickstop convenience store just after midnight in this Youngstown suburb.  One of the teens raised a rifle and pointed it at the store clerk.  The criminal fired and missed.  The 20 year old store clerk with a CCW drew his own handgun, shot and hit the 17 year old gunman Ja’Braelyn Bunn.  Both teens ran from the store.  The teen gunman is in the hospital while his accomplice is in juvenile detention.  Both face charges for armed robbery.

Comments- What would you do if you were in the store?

John- We have more, and it’s not from Houston, Detroit or Ohio.  I hope you’ve heard about the 300 young Christian girls taken as slave by the Islamist group Boko Haram in Nigeria.  Note that civilian ownership of firearms is forbidden in Nigeria.  Thank god some villages break the law.  Several villages armed themselves and counter attacked against Boko Haram.  They claim to have seized 90 motorcycles, several heavy trucks, and to have killed approximately 250 of the terrorists.  One villager was quoted as saying that they would kill the terrorists themselves since the army wasn’t doing its job.  Note that defenders typically have a three-to-one advantage over attackers.

Comment- Is this any different than the problem faced by citizens of New York or Chicago of a few years ago?

Gary- 24 year old Victor Navarro walked into the HealthMart Pharmacy in Hialeah, Florida, a suburb of Miami, just after noon.  The 24 year old demanded Xanax and was turned away by the pharmacist.  Victor Navarro came back to the pharmacy and pulled up his shirt showing a handgun, and again demanded drugs.  This time the pharmacy manager, 70 year old Angel Navarro Betancourt, no relation to the victim, shot and killed Victor Navaro.  The young man was said to have a severe drug addiction.. and the gun in his waistband was a BB gun.

Comment- Threatening people will get you killed.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles on our website at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul- Here is our listener e-mail segment.  This one is from listener Rob

-Hi guys,
I hope I can help end the spitting match over Facebook likes with the Polite Society. I’m a big fan of both polite society & slam fire radio podcasts. As a U.S. citizen I’m partial to my American podcasts. Buuuuuuuut, my wife of 10 years is a Canadian citizen. I obviously like Canadians too.  I listen to both Trevor’s podcasts for the content, hosts and because I enjoy the accent. You know what I’m talking aboat, eh?

So let’s get down to reality and accuracy with the Facebook likes. I really enjoy Paul, Rob & Rachel but Slam Fire Radio is ahead by a long shot.
The math is very simple. Polite Society has more Facebook likes but when you factor in 236 vs 57 episodes and a population approximately 300 million vs 30 million. Slam Fire is kicking some serious Facebook ass.
I’m just say’n
Rob
Hudson Valley, NY
Ps. One good thing about Canadian gun laws is, it makes my New York State gun laws look pretty awesome.

Rachel-Here is another e-mail from listener Rick.

-Hey, guys
When Paul returns you will have to give him time to recover from Mag40.  He will be mentally drained, physically exhausted and amazed at all the new like-minded friends he made.
Oh, and he’ll be saying “I digress” a lot.
Still listening.
Rick

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Rachel- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John- Rob(?) do you have an article you want to talk about?

Rob- I have an article on Clash Daily and Ammoland.  It is called Criminals Commit Suicide by Citizen and it came from the news stories we read on this podcast.  

Rachel- John, do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John- One hiker is dead and one in critical condition after being robbed and shot while hiking in Tehama County, California. Neither were armed. The robber asked for their property and then killed Pat Gregory, 69, of West Tisbury, MA. His 76 year old companion was left for dead on the trail and is in the hospital. People ask why you should carry while out hiking and communing with nature. This is why you carry!

Comment-  What is the moral of this story?  You can’t guarantee your safety by complying with criminals.

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Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

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What Driving Can Teach Us About Personal Awareness.

A little more than a month ago I started mulling this around in my head, and have been hashing it around with some friends. I attended a MAG 40 class in Conway Arkansas this past week that was hosted by Chaz Murray of the Roadgunner Podcast and this came up several times and I thought that I should actually get to this and write it up.

I have been a professional driver for the past 12 years and have nearly 1 million safe driving miles in a big truck under my belt. When I initially started training for driving truck in 2002, we learned something called the Smith System for driving. This is a driving system that teaches risk mitigation and provides the safest possible driving environment. The company that I drive for has since switched to a system called “Value Driven Driving” and while it is a good system I still prefer the tried and true Smith System.

I can hear it now… “What the heck does that have to do with being armed and living a defensive lifestyle?” Funny you should ask. I have talked with several people that I greatly respect in the firearms training community and have brought this up and haven’t yet got a “Lathrop, at long last you have finally lost it” and got quite a bit of agreement. Let’s get started.

The Smith System uses what it calls “The 5 Keys” even though I learned it 12 years ago, I still remember it well mostly because of a mnemonic saying that goes with it. “All Good Kids Like Milk”. The AGKLM stands for…

A) Aim high in your steering – Look far ahead of where you are, the farther you look in the direction you are going the more time you have to react to whatever dangers may be coming at you. In driving that means that you scan traffic patterns 10 to 15 seconds in front of you. I personally look at patterns from 10 seconds to the limit of my vision. Of course you want to do the same thing for personal awareness outside of a vehicle. I equate this to getting outside your little bubble, Look as far as you can see, and try to identify any dangers in your field of view. If walking look as far as you can see in the direction that you are moving. The farther away a danger is from you when you see it the more time you have to formulate a plan to deal with the danger and the greater the chances that you will be able to avoid the danger altogether.

G) Get the big picture. In driving this means that you should look other than at what is going on right in front of you, check mirrors and windows often. You should try to get a 360 degree picture in your head about what is going on around your vehicle. I see this as also applicable for personal awareness, especially when walking. The natural tendency is to focus on where you are going, but threats can come from any direction. Look to the sides and over your shoulder every once in a while.

K) Keep your eyes moving. While driving this is a big one. If you only stare out the windshield you quickly loose peripheral vision and your field of view narrows considerably. We teach students that the main focus should be out the windshield, but very often (more than 2 times a minute) check mirrors and gauges. These are quick glances, just a second, it not only helps with keeping the big picture of what is going on around you, it helps to keep your peripheral vision intact as well. Again I see this directly relating to awareness wherever you are, the more peripheral vision you use the more chance you have of picking out something that “isn’t right”. (I have also heard many people use the “head on a swivel” analogy). Peripheral vision is crucial in picking up threats both inside and outside the vehicle. Most people can see in a 60 degree to 110 degree field of vision but only pick up what is in a 30 degree field in front of them. By practicing keeping your eyes moving and making an occasional conscious effort to expand your peripheral vision you can be amazed what you pick up.

L) Leave yourself an out. In trucking this is primarily leaving yourself a LOT of breaking distance between you and the vehicle you are following. When coming to a stop it also means stopping far enough behind the vehicle that you can steer around that car or truck if it doesn’t move when it is supposed to. Of course this directly relates to personal awareness. If something starts to go south, where to I start to move? How close should this person get to me before I evade, and what does that evasion look like? Instead of looking at your smart phone next time you have a little down time in public. Take a minute or two and think, “If I had to get out of here right now what direction do I move and what obstacles are in my way?”

M) Make sure they see you. In driving this means use your turn signals, head lights, running lights, horns etc. to communicate with other drivers. Make eye contact with other drivers and pedestrians so that you are aware of what they are doing and so that they are aware of what you are doing. In personal awareness outside of a vehicle this means that if you identify a threat make sure that they see you seeing them. For a criminal, target selection is a critical part of their job. They need easy targets that can be taken advantage of quickly and without fuss so that they can move on. It is far easier for the common criminal to take advantage of and unaware person who will be startled by the attack and be momentarily shocked into inaction. An aware person looking directly at the criminal projects “I am paying attention, I have seen you, and I recognize that you are a threat.” Of course nothing works 100% of the time but the smart money says that a bad guy looking for a fast “score” will keep looking for other victims. I have taken to looking directly at people and as they come within conversational speaking distance smiling and saying “Good morning!” or good afternoon, or some other generic greeting. This tends to take people a little off guard as not many people do it any more, and if I have misjudged them and they really are a threat when they get that close I want them to be a little bit off balance mentally. If I haven’t misjudged them and they are a normal person, I have just given them a smile and wished them a good day, not a bad thing in my opinion.

As always your mileage may vary and please keep in mind that I am not a professional trainer. I am beginning my journey in the world of personal protection and you should treat this advice as such.

Episode 237 – Anthony Colandro and Kathy Perkins

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Personal news from each participant

Paul is on his way to Mag40.

Rob- I cleaned my 1911s after a few thousand rounds of cheap ammunition. They needed it.

I changed to aperture sights on my Mosin. I was going to go out in the desert and shoot it, but I haven’t cleaned up from my last adventure yet, so that will have to wait.

Mojo sight rear

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I traveled a few days this week so I got to listen to some podcasts that our listeners recommended.  Thank you Peter from Virginia who sent me a pro-liberty podcast.

I also donated to Dr. John Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center.  Have you?

I have  an NRA basic pistol class this weekend, so I won’t be here on Saturday.

Rachel- Nothing much tactical lately – my neighbors have shot all the snakes around here lately, so I didn’t even get in on that. I’ve been watching some kids lately and having some fun helping them out with schoolwork. So, I spent my afternoon looking at Latin Roots.

John – As regular listeners know, I suffered a broken ankle just after Christmas. My physical therapist did his re-eval today and said I had exceeded the goals he had set earlier than expected. I think this means I can go shooting sooner than later.

Reminder that we don’t have a Saturday Show.
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News_Partner_whiteRachel’s “I Can’t” Rant!

My name is Rachel, but my friends call me Bullet. True to my nickname, I’m going to shoot straight with you tonight. This is the “I Can’t Rant.”

If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard someone tell me they can’t be politically active, my ammo fund would be amply supplied for quite a while…or at least for a couple of good training sessions. 🙂 It goes like this: “Oh, I just LOVE what you’re doing in gun rights! You do such a great job…..I wish I could do that. But, I can’t.”

What they imply: “Some people can be activists because they just….came that way, but I didn’t come that way, therefore I’m off the hook.” The truth: political activism does come more naturally to some people, but believe me, those who have been there for a long time and made a major impact in public policy didn’t do so because they were just born that way. They WORKED.

Thomas Edison said, Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration, and I would say that ratio probably holds true for political activism, too.

So, in order to bust this ridiculous I Can’t Syndrome, I’d like to cover a few FGE’s that I’ve heard more than once. What’s an FGE? Frequently-Given Excuse.

FGE #1: I can’t because I don’t live in the area.
This is 2014 and we are blessed with modern transportation to get us across the state – or even across the country. Driving a few hours to block walk or attend a meeting may seem too far at first, but you’ll get used to the drive – trust me, there are a lot of us who do it all the time for liberty activism. And, it’s always great to get to see what’s happening in other areas of the state.

FGE #2: I can’t because I don’t have the money.
I hear this all the time and I have to laugh and shake my head. Are you kidding me? Do I look like a rich young heiress?! I could talk all night about people who don’t have any spare cash who’ve made huge inroads and shaken up the whole political world – using the tiniest of budgets that would shock you.

Don’t have a car or gas money? Car-pool with other activists. If you have time, that’s an asset you need to utilize. Get connected with others who have other resources (cars, gas money). Successful grassroots activism is about working together – each of us using our own available skills and resources, combining all of those for greatest leverage.

I’m sure there is something happening close to you also. If not, make it happen. Find a liberty-loving neighbor or friend in your area to run for precinct chair, mayor, city council, school board….or run yourself. Host neighborhood get-togethers. Be proactive and make it happen.

If it turns out you really can’t get on location where the action is, you can STILL be a successful activist. Use your time to spread the word, to research information, to study liberty, to study the law. Use modern technology (internet, social media, etc.), which shouldn’t cost you much at all.

Learn to write well. Help the cause of liberty through thoughtful and articulate articles, blog posts, emails, newspaper editorials, or even through strategic use of social media.

FGE #3: I can’t because I don’t have time.
Find someone else to be boots on the ground – you can pay their gas to get there. Again, use whatever resources you do have to help accomplish the goal. Or perhaps you can re-prioritize….could you forego golfing or watching football or going to another movie or something less important than upholding liberty and standing up for gun rights?

FGE #4: I can’t because I’ve never done it before and I’m not that kind of person.
I’m not either. And once upon a time, none of us had ever done it before. The difference between the doer and the I Can’t excuse-giver usually has to do with work ethic and commitment. Are you willing to study up and learn? Can you commit to showing up and helping? Do it. Network with more experienced activists who can show you the ropes. Step out and be brave. Not only can you help the cause of liberty, but you can gain confidence in communicating with others.

I’m a music teacher, and I hear excuses all the time – at least, I used to, until I outlawed them. I’ve taught my students, never say “I can’t.” You can say it’s hard, or you don’t want to, or you refuse. That may not be good, but at least it’s honest. But don’t say you can’t. At least 98% of the time, for my students, the task isn’t impossible. They aren’t victims of their circumstances – they just didn’t complete it because of a personal choice (whether it was conscious or unconscious). For example: they decided not to practice because they chose to do something else with their time instead.

So, back to the “I Can’t” people: here’s the one thing I DO let people say.  I won’t because I have more important things to be doing.  I hope never to put anyone down for making a personal, rational, thoughtful, intentional choice not to engage in activism because they believe their time is better spent elsewhere.

I don’t push the cause of liberty in order to have the right to tell you how you should be spending your time.

By all means, do whatever you believe will be most effective and achieve the best results. If that means doing different political activism than I do, go for it. If that means spending time with your dying mother, going to your kid’s football game, having praying meeting, getting some sleep instead of pulling all-nighters….. do what you decide you need to be doing.

Remember: “Men do less than they ought unless they do all that they can.” (Thomas Carlyle)  Do all you can and don’t sweat the rest. Make your decisions wisely and don’t let anyone else beat you up for them. But please, don’t say, “I Can’t.”
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Rob- This in from Illinois.  A Hinsdale Central High School student is challenging a suspension he said he received for wearing a T-shirt that depicts an AK-47 to school.  Senior Chris Borg said he was stopped for wearing the shirt by hall monitors. Dean of students, Kimberly Dever, offered him the chance to turn the shirt inside out, wear another shirt or be suspended for the day. Chris decided to go home. Superintendent Bruce Law said the T-shirt is a violation of the dress code because it is vulgar, inappropriate, unsafe or disruptive to the educational process (examples include the  advertising/display of alcohol, drugs, tobacco, sexual innuendo), and this T-shirt was unsafe and disruptive. Chris said that pictures of firearms can be found in our history textbooks, but you don’t see people freaking out about that.  The school’s team mascot, which is a Devil, holds a trident, which is a weapon.

Can you say double standards in Illinois?

John-  Did you say double standards in Minnesota?  The Minnesota highway patrol closed a downtown Minneapolis freeway on Tuesday morning to make a quote “high-risk” traffic stop as they detained a motorist for brandishing a gun at another driver.  The alleged offender was a special agent of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.  Now the state police say the matter is under investigation.

Rob- I want to compare the criminal behavior of a licensed citizen versus the criminal record of law enforcement officers.

Civilians are more law abiding than the police for sexual assault and homicide.  But for other crimes, the rate for police is very similar to the general population.  In contrast, permit holders in North Carolina commit violent crimes with a firearm 82 percent less often than the average citizen and are convicted of a DUI 85 percent less often than the general population.  Texas permit holders are much safer too.  The point being that police are as safe .. or as dangerous.. as the average citizen, and licensed carry holders are the most law abiding group.

I doubt the BATF officer will be prosecuted.  Anyone want to bet against me?

Rachel- Remember the story about the Open Carry Texas group going to Jack in the Box for a burger?  The New York times reported that employees hid in the freezer and called police.  The source of the New York Times story was.. (drum roll)  Bloomberg’s Mom’s Demand Action.   The New York Times story was then repeated by Texas law enforcement officers.  Open Carry Texas produced photographs of their group being served while the Jack in the Box employees went about their business, and the Times retracted their story.  The Times and Bloomberg’s group are made for each other.  All the lies that are fit to print meets all the lies that are fit to tell.

John Richardson– Now Jack in the box has released a corporate statement.  It is a lot like that of Starbucks. They “ask” people not to carry in their stores. They don’t ban it. Nonetheless, Shannon Watts and Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors are claiming victory. Because they know how to play the media better than that group of open carry activists, it is perceived as a win for the gun prohibitionists. And for most people, their perception is their reality.

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Rachel- In legal news, the Second Amendment Foundation won a case in Arkansas this week when they got a permanent injunction against that state’s limitation of concealed carry permits for US citizens only. SAF argued correctly that permanent legal residents should have the same rights as citizens. Alienage is a suspect categorization and courts have applied strict scrutiny to these cases. SAF has won similar cases in Nebraska, Massachusetts, and New Mexico. The ACLU, not the most gun friendly organization, has actually won two similar cases in South Dakota and Kentucky.

John- Do you remember a few years ago when an armed citizen thwarted an armed robbery in a Spartanburg, South Carolina Waffle House restaurant?  The family of the deceased robbers say they didn’t have to die.  Newly released video shows the criminals pointing their guns at the patrons.  The armed citizen ignored the event, but did not lie on the floor as the robbers demanded.  When the armed men came back and pointed their gun at him, the citizen defended himself from a credible, immediate and lethal threat to his life.  The robber died right there.  The robber threatened other people’s lives, and he deserved to die so others might live.  The link to the security camera video is in our show notes, so see for yourself.

Gun Quotes
Rob- “Having heard all of this you may choose to look the other way but you can never again say that you did not know.” William Wilberforce 1791

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Seg 3 Interviews
Interview with Anthony Colandro about his run for NRA board of directors ( file Anthony Colandro election results nra2014 2.mp3)
Interview with Anthony Colandro about his NJ senate testimony (file Anthony Colandro NJ Senate and Drake 2.mp3)
Interview with Kathy Perkins of Moms with Guns Demand Action. (file Moms with guns demand action Kathy Perkins 2.mp3) Look at the bottom of her page where Kathy talks to her local school administration about armed security for schools and a Youtube video of that discussion

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Segment 4 DGUs

Gary- An intruder was shot and killed Monday morning by an elderly man in Columbus, Ohio.  Emerson Frazier is 69 and his wife is 58. Police were called to 990 Bruckner Rd. shortly before 4 a.m. on a report of a burglary. A few days ago the alarm went off indicating an intruder was in the garage.  The intruder fled by the time the couple investigated. Early this morning, the alarm went off again and the couple went outside. Two men in the garage beat the homeowners.  Emerson Frazier was armed and shot one of the assailants. The other fled. The wounded man was taken to OhioHealth Grant Medical Center.

John- This is a DGU with no shots fired.  A rural homeowner called the Whitley County Kentucky Sheriff’s department reporting that a man had tried to force his way into the home through the front door. When that failed the intruder busted out a window and was swinging a knife.

Police found 67 year old Lonnie Paul partially in the home by way of the busted out window.  The homeowner was holding Paul at gunpoint with a shotgun in order to protect a two-year-old in the home.   Police found damage to the home’s front door, and Paul did have a knife in his possession.  Police said Paul appeared very intoxicated and that he confessed to drinking moonshine at a nearby residence.

Rachel- There are not many licensed firearms owners in Jamaica.  This license holder pulled to the side of the road with car problems just before dawn Tuesday morning.  A notorious robber called  ‘Pree Dem’ along with a young accomplice tried to rob the stranded motorist.  The license holder fired once striking  ‘Pree Dem’  in the head and killing him.  The teenage accomplice escaped.  The police described  ‘Pree Dem’ as a one man crime spree.. that is now at an end.

The single armed citizen was able to do what the Jamaican police have been trying to do for months.

John- Charlotte-Mecklenburg [NC] police say 22-year-old Darlanski Lamar Sherrill died Monday night a short time after an alleged robbery in northwest Charlotte. Police were called around 9 p.m. by a man who said he was in his yard when he was confronted by Sherrill who forced him inside and tried to rob him. The victim said Sherrill beat him with the gun. The victim also told police he was able to shoot his attacker. A short time later, a CMPD officer stopped a car driven by Don Antonio Morrison for driving erratically. His passenger was Sherrill who ran from the car and was found shortly thereafter. He was taken to Carolinas Medical Center where he died.

Mecklenburg County jail records indicate both Morrison and Sherrill had previous arrests. Morrison was charged in this case with charged with armed robbery and conspiracy to commit armed robbery.

Prosecutors will decide later if any charges will be brought against the homeowner who was attacked. Under North Carolina’s castle doctrine, the legal presumption is always in favor of a homeowner if threatened with severe bodily injury.

John- Jonathan Haith said he was asleep in his home in Henderson North Carolina.  It was around 9:45 a.m. when he heard a light knock on his backdoor. He ignored it at first. Then he heard a loud bang in the laundry room area.  Haith grabbed the AR-15 rifle he keeps under his bed. Quote “I crouched down, grabbed the firearm and was walking up the hallway.  As soon as I poked my head around the corner, I saw a tall male standing there with a gun. He shot first, I shot second.  He missed and I reckon I connected.” close quote.

The intruder was struck in the stomach. He ran out the home, and collapsed across the street in a church parking lot. Police arrested the suspect and the get-away-car driver.  The intruder is listed in critical condition.  When asked why he didn’t shoot more, the homeowner said he only needed one well placed shot.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.  Next up is out tips and tricks segment.

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Gary: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I do. I did a post yesterday about the Fencing Club at North Dakota State University. Thanks to a bizarre interpretation of the school’s weapons policy by the Director of University Police and Safety they cannot practice on campus. Why? Because the Director considers their blunt-tipped foils and epees to be dangerous weapons. He justifies this by saying the “safest way is simply to have no weapons, real or perceived, on campus.” Interestingly enough, the U of ND and Minnesota State Univ-Moorhead which are nearby both have fencing clubs and both allow them to practice on campus.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

John: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

John: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode email them in and they will be!   Peter from Virginia sent us a couple new organizations to add, so thank you, Peter!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association. There is no Saturday show.

Gary: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Rachel- This show copyright 2014 Paul Lathrop and Polite Society Podcast

Episode 236 – Responsible Activisim

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, May 10th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll have a rant from Rob on responsible activism.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 236 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob- On Thursday I spoke at Los Angeles West Side NRA members council meeting. That chapter is full of activists. They are there with a table and literature if there is a public gathering larger than a yard sale. LA traffic stinks, and I took the train up and back. Got home after midnight. John, the new Mojo sight for our Mosin came in. Maybe I can fit them tomorrow.

Rachel- I went on a CATI walk today (CATI stands for “Come And Take It” and is an open carry group in Texas). We marched from the Capitol to Town Lake and back and engaged with several very interested individuals who loved what we were doing. We ladies also made some plans for our upcoming Gunpowder and Lace walk – the first CATI-Austin ladies’ open carry march, where only the ladies will be allowed to open carry. Stay tuned – that’s July 12.

John – I’m a slacker as I have no real news to add. I’ve only worked and piddled around doing nothing important since our last podcast.

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Rob’s rant- Dear radicals.  I support liberty, and I know it has many branches. That said, I’ll condemn you if you do stupid things in public that undermine the progress of liberty.  As supporters of liberty, it is our job to persuade the public.  You don’t get to do stupid things in public and then tell the public they took it the wrong way.  Using the right of self-defense as an example, you better know how your message is perceived before you open carry an AR while you’re half naked in black face and camouflage while you march in front of a day care center.

Can you do such a thing?  Sure, for a while.  We absolutely have the right to do foolish things, but we can’t demand the public agree and support us.

Other people get to make up their own minds about what we’ve done.  They are free to decide for themselves.  What a radical thought.  You have to compete for hearts and minds.  If you’re only out for attention, then you’re not out to win hearts and minds.

The public is as it is.  My neighbors think what they think.  We don’t get to argue with public perception and claim we were “misunderstood” if we do something stupid and are widely condemned.  That attitude of “you’re all idiots  and don’t understand my clever demonstration” is immature and self-righteous.  Grown ups ask question before they make public statements so they know how their actions will be received.  This is true in every public debate.

Sure you have the right to scream that abortionists are murderers and pour red dyBe on your cloths and the sidewalk.  Don’t be surprised if the public tunes you out.  You can call out taxation as theft by a gun wielding government, but don’t be surprised if the public doesn’t listen.  You can wear a white sheet and carry a gun and claim you’re supporting the right of free expression.  There is a difference between persuasive debate and radical public demonstration.  You have the right to be stupid and offensive.

Said another way, you can destroy liberty by stupidly abusing it, so put on your grown up pants and act like an adult.  I don’t blame the ill-informed and uninterested public for their phone calls to the politician after your public display.  I don’t blame the politician for his knee jerk reaction to the phone calls.  I blame you, and welcome to the grown up world, bubba and bubbette.  With great power comes great responsibility.

You are responsible for how you are perceived, and heaven knows the media wants lovers of liberty look like crazy fools.  Fortunately, we can test public reaction before we act.  We can also test political reaction before we act.  This is hard work, and no one forces the lazy radical to do it.

I understand the urge to feel radical and righteous, but you don’t get any credit from me for pleasing yourself in the public square.  There is a name for that, and you were supposed to learn self-control back in junior high school.  Hold on to your passion, but don’t play with it in public.  Take a minute to study the problem of public persuasion so you are effective in changing minds and hearts the way you intend.  The radical activist can alienate anyone he wants, but he is not the friend of liberty.  /Rant off/

John- A Wisconsin police chief did the right thing at the right time.  This story started when a Wisconsin citizen open carried at a park in Oconomowoc.( Oh-Con-O-Mo-Woc) Someone took a picture of it and complained to the police chief.  Then a local news NBC news outlet filed a report that it is illegal to carry on public property.  Chief David Beguhn reviewed the city ordinance and reported that it violates the Wisconsin state pre-emption laws on firearms.  I think the chief got this one right.

Rob- If you’re going to bring a gun to the park, you had better be a respected and recognized member of the daddy-squad.. or else you’re simply showing off your gun in public.

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Rachel- A New Hampshire lawmaker argued against legislation that would ban recipients of food stamps and welfare from using electronic bank transfer cards to buy a gun or ammunition.  Democrat State Representative Timothy Horrigan said, “The firearms ban is a blatant violation of the Second Amendment. Cash benefit recipients presumably have the same rights as the rest of us to purchase guns for hunting, sports shooting, or even self-defense. Obviously they don’t have much money to spend on that, but they do have the right under the Second Amendment to do so.”  He added that the ban against such purchases seemed ironic because many of the ban’s supporters are pro-Second Amendment.

Rob- Alan Korwin and his company TrainMeAZ won his First Amendment lawsuit against the City of Phoenix on Thursday. The Arizona Court of Appeals ruled that the Superior Court had erred in granting judgment for the City of Phoenix and its transportation system. TrainMeAZ has contracted to put up advertisements in bus shelters around Phoenix promoting firearms training in the wake of passage of Arizona’s constitutional carry legislation. The city took them down after they were put up saying they failed to promote a commercial transaction. The Court of Appeals found that Phoenix violated Korwin’s First Amendment rights by how they applied their own revised advertising standards.

Rachel- Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.. from the mainstream news media.  They would tell you the sky is falling in order to deliver a few more eyes and ears to their advertisers.  That appears to be what happened in Fort Worth, Texas.  News sources claimed employees at Fort Worth Jack in the Box hid in a freezer and called police after an open carry group came in to eat.  That claim isn’t true, but a patron in the restaurant called into 911, and she and the police both panicked.  The Fort Worth Police Department owes the public, the media, and Open Carry Texas an apology or explanation for their overreaction.

John- A Colorado city steals citizens’ firearms.  Sara Warren was in an accident in late March.  She was taken by ambulance to the Poude Valley Hospital, where her firearm was turned over to Fort Collins Police.  Now the police claim they can not return her weapon without a search through the NICS database and using an FFL transfer to return her firearm.  The Fort Collins Police don’t have an FFL on staff, so claim they can’t return her Sara Warren’s gun.  I bet if the guns were being transfered TO the police rather than FROM the police, they would find a way to use a private FFL and make the transfer.

Rob- The mayor needs to be removed from office.  That will help a new police chief act properly.  I’m glad I didn’t take that job in Fort Collins.

Rob – Good for Missouri.  On Wednesday the Missouri Senate voted to put a bill to the voters that defines the right to bear arms as “unalienable” and requires the state to defend against any “infringement” of that right. It would also include keeping ammunition and defending one’s “family” with a firearm as guaranteed constitutional rights.  The bill already passed the Missouri House.  Activists supporting the right of self-defense say the measure would force courts to use a higher standard of review when considering the constitutionality of gun control in Missouri.

Rachel – And good for Oklahoma.  The Oklahoma Senate followed the House in overriding Governor Mary Fallin’s veto of a pro gun bill on federal gun regulations. The bill requires law enforcement authorities to certify within 15 days that a NFA firearm applicant is eligible to receive a firearm under federal regulations. The bill now becomes law without the governor’s signature.  The override is the first veto override since Fallin took office in 2011.

John– Gun rights attorney Alan Gura has filed a second Writ of Mandamus with the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia in the case of Palmer v. DC. The plaintiffs are challenging DC’s total ban on carry – open or concealed – outside the home. The case has been going on since Oct. 2009 and is on its second judge. It has been 20 months since the parties argued the case in court and there still isn’t a decision. Judge Frederick Scullin promised a decision within a short period of time. The Writ of Mandamus is a legal writ asking that the District Court be compelled to render a decision.

John – Gun Quotes
A shout out to Jeff Hulsey, we got this gun quote off of his Facebook feed,
“For the last damn time, ‘assault weapon’ is a purely invented term, designed by politicians to mislead the public into thinking consumers can buy machine guns at Wal-Mart. They can’t. In the political world at least, ‘assault weapon’ means nothing more than ‘semi-automatic rifle that has a few cosmetic features that we do not like.'” -National Review‘s Charles C. W. Cooke

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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John – As Detroit resident Paris Ainsworth, a Michigan concealed carry permit holder, was arriving home from work, she was approached by two men in her own driveway. Before getting out of her car she put her .45 pistol in her pocket. One of the thugs saw that she had a firearm and told her not to pull it. He then shot her in the side three times and once in her weakside hand. Paris proved that just because you’ve been shot you aren’t out of the fight. She returned fire and wounded her assailants. She then waited for police and EMS to arrive. The assailants were arrested at the hospital when they sought treatment.

She praises Detroit police for the help they gave that night, but she is convinced that law-abiding citizens need to protect themselves.

“He didn’t shoot me because he felt that I was going to shoot him. He didn’t care. He just shot. He didn’t look like, ‘Oh my God I shouldn’t have.’ He just had the devil in him,” she said.

Ainsworth is 51 years old. She has four grandsons and works in health care. She has two handguns and trains regularly.

Rachel -An elderly resident of rural St. Clair County, Missouri called police just after noon to report a burglary in progress.  The intruder entered the home and the homeowner fired one shot and fled to the other end of his home.  The police arrived to find a body in the driveway.  Police say the homeowner is a widower in his 70s and evidence supports the homeowner’s story.

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Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Listener e-mail discussion

Paul – Email #1 from Jake
I felt the need to write in to your show after I heard your episode where being open to your friends and family about your gun interests was compared to “coming out” as gay or lesbian.

I’m an absolute gun nut – I carry when ever I can, shoot IDPA, and am working on tuning handloads to my .308 rifle. I spend far too much of my limited funds on guns, ammo, and shooting accessories. I call my congress critters every time a 2A bill comes up, and I generally vote pro-gun. I’m also a bisexual dating another man.

It’s been said that coming out as gay or lesbian is the most powerful act of political activism you can make. My own grandpa was pretty anti-gay when I was growing up. He wasn’t hateful or aggressive about it, but he was always disapproving whenever there was a flamboyant gay man on TV, or LGBT issues came up in conversation. We have always been close, since he first put a .22 in my hands, taught me to shoot, and told me stories about his many years in law enforcement. Because of this, I was very nervous when I came out to him last year, since I didn’t want to lose our relationship. Thankfully, and after a brief period of awkwardness, we’re as close as we always were. I think what helped change his mind was that he knew me – He had literally watched me grow up, loved me, taught me, and knew I was a good person at heart. He couldn’t reconcile the grandson he knew with what he thought of gays, and eventually, his views of gays had to change.

While “coming out” as a gun guy shouldn’t be nearly as hard as coming out as gay (not many young teens are homeless because they’re a gun owner, for example), I think it can be just as effective a tool at changing people’s minds. The more good, decent, and kind people they know who carry guns and support the second amendment, the less they believe the anti-gunners painting 2A supporters as hateful, violent racists, or that the “gun lobby” is a vast, monolithic conspiracy of evil corporations bent on profit. After all, they know the “gun lobby.” They’re the nice folks down the street who invited them to a BBQ last week, or that guy at the office who helped them with that project last week.

As a parting note, I’m glad to see that you guys don’t seem to be anti-gay. I’d love to see the gay community calling the democratic legislators they elected and demanding gun rights. I’m sure that would make Bloomberg’s head spin!

Thanks,
-Jake

Rob- Email #2 from Kevin
Hey there!
Great podcast, I listen every week.
Just an update for you on the CCWs being issued here in The OC…
My initial interview date was scheduled for next February ( I was one of the early ones to apply), but with their hiring of retired deputies to process the backlog, I’ve had my interview, been fingerprinted, got my training, and I should have my permit in the next couple of weeks! I gotta say, they’ve really stepped it up! (Well, by California standards)
Anyway, thanks for all you do and keep it up.
Kevin
Anaheim, CA

Paul: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Paul- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details. Also please remember that Kathy will be bringing that Cornered Cat class to Sioux Falls the 15th and 16th of August. Registration should open soon, so keep listening. As soon as registration opens we will give the details.I am not hosting the class this year as I am totally overwhelmed with other things that are going on. I will be there to help out, and my wife Susan will be taking the class.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob, yes I said gun owners are refusing to comply with crazy gun laws.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

John: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Here is a shout-out to slamfire radio, but the polite society podcast has more facebook likes than they do.

Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Other- This show copyright 2014 Paul Lathrop and Polite Society Podcast

Episode 235 – Anthony Colandro

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live Wednesday, May 7th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll have a short interview with Anthony Colandro.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and defensive gun use.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 235 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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John: I picked up my renewed North Carolina Concealed Handgun Permit this afternoon. It took 42 days from start to finish. I know that is long by some standards but my original CHP took 85 days for processing. Under NC law, I believe they had 45 days to process it.

Rob- I ordered a new aperture sight for my Mosin. Yes, it cost nearly as much as the rifle John sold me.

Rachel: I attended a 1,000-yard qualification shoot and made some really cool 1,000-yard shots….thanks to an amazing spotter who knows his stuff, and a great equipment set-up I was able to use. I also voted against a tax increase in our municipal elections.

The rifle that I’m still drooling over:rifle

see http://www.TacticalSandwich.com for upcoming reviews.

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I am a big advocate for firearms training, and here is why. A fool fails to learn from his mistakes while a wise man learns from his own mistakes AND from other people’s mistakes as well. Learning from others is the cheap and easy way to learn when it comes to armed self-defense. Call it wholesale wisdom. I’ve gone to many firearms instructors because I want to avoid expensive mistakes.
Think about it. Almost every “gun-safety rule” is the distilled wisdom taken from other people’s painful errors. Yes, you could teach yourself to shoot. If time and money and blood are no object, then go for it. I hear it builds character. Me, I’ve chosen to get good instruction because my time, my money and my blood are precious. I don’t want to waste any of them.
Here is another reason to get training. No one makes mistakes on purpose. That is why we do the wrong thing so long before we finally figure out our mistake. The problem is we don’t know what we don’t know. A good firearms instructor sees what we’re doing and guides us from there.. correcting one bad mistake at a time. Together, you and your instructor fix the foundation before you advance to the finer points of shooting.
Finally, a good instructor knows how to safely push us to failure. One view of instruction say that training starts at failure, and anything less is simply exercise and review. I want guidance as I push to failure with a gun. Don’t you?
I’d like to end by saying “Thank you!” to all my instructors. I may not be the best student, but I am one of the most grateful.

Read more here.

Rachel – Don’t worry, the police will protect us.  Unfortunately NY city police are busy chasing a dead man, and can’t seem to catch him, or catch on to the fact that he died 8 years ago.  Police have raided the home several times, and the family now posts the death certificate on the door.

John – The US Supreme Court decided not to grant certiorari to the New Jersey case Drake v Jerejian. They denied the case without comment. When we had Frank Fiamingo on the show in April, he, like the rest of us, was cautiously optimistic that the Court would take the case. We have the necessary split in circuits and it seemed a relevant 2nd Amendment case. Since we will never know what happens in the Court’s case conferences where they decide which case to take and which one to deny, we can only guess why we didn’t get 4 Justices voting to hear the case.

Rob – The related case of Peruta versus Gore in San Diego has broad implications since the 9th circuit includes both Hawaii and Guam.  A proposed bill in Guam would change Guam from may issue to shall issue.  Amendments to bill 296 would prevent a felon from applying for a gun for 10 years, require mental capacity as well as the physical capacity to own and operate a firearm, and would require a firearms training course within the last 5 years.

Good for Guam.  Similar bills recently failed in committee in my home state of California.

John – Team Republican won the Top Gun title in this year’s Congressional Sportsman’s Caucus’ Annual Congressional Shoot-Out. Rep. Collin Peterson, a Democrat from Minnesota, took overall Top Gun for members of Congress. The Shoot-Out features Members of Congress, industry officials, and other supporters of the shooting sports in skeet, trap, and sporting clays competitions. While I might have liked to see an IDPA course of fire or a 3-Gun course of fire in addition to shotgun sports, it is still good to see some Congressmen engaging in the shooting sports.

Rob – In continuing news from the NRA Annual Meeting, it seems that there was a dip in teen violence in downtown Indianapolis while the NRA was in town. The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department reported that it was the most peaceful Saturday downtown for the month of April. While correlation isn’t causation, in this case I think that with a good portion of the 75,000 NRA attendees carrying firearms we might just have to say it made a difference.

Rachel – Listeners may remember we reported back in April on how Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam helped get Constitutional Carry and guns in parks killed in committee. The Tennessee Firearms Association (TFA) has now initiated an open records request with the TN Dept of Safety. They also want to know of any communications relating to the bills in questions originating in the Governor’s Office, Safety Commissioner Bill Gibbons office, and from the offices of at least 8 members of the TN legislature. It should be noted that Gov. Haslam had made a pledge to sign a Constitutional Carry bill if it crossed his desk. It is easy to keep your pledge if you make sure it never gets to your desk!

John  – And in stealth news coming out of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, it seems that they posted a 60-day request for comment on April 15th. It seems that BATFE is seeking to expand the multiple sale reporting requirement for some semiautomatic rifles (mag feed in a caliber greater than .22LR) to the rest of the United States. Currently, it is restricted to California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Given that nearly a month has elapsed and that the BATFE has posted NO notice of this rule-making proposal on their website, we need to get the word out and people need to start submitting comments. The comment period ends on June 16th.

Rob-  I encourage you to tell the BATFE to stop wasting our time and money.

Rob – You’re not likely to read about this negligent gun use in the news.  A police officer shot himself in the leg with his handgun while drawing his sidearm.  This happened during a Special Weapons and Tactics training conference taking place in Fort Wayne, Indiana.  Yes, you heard that correctly that a highly trained SWAT cop had a negligent discharge and endangered others.  There are two points to bear in mind.  Don’t become complacent around firearms.  Don’t believe that you are a greater risk to the public or have a weaker character than law enforcement officers.  We are human, and so are the police.

The wounded officer is expected to make a full recovery.

Rachel- Gun Quotes
Federalist papers number 51 If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Anthony Colandro

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Rob – DGU- A 20 year old man rattled the front and back doors of a Phoenix home on Tuesday morning.  He then smashed in the patio door with a garden tool while the homeowner hid in her bathroom.  The female homeowner had called the police.  She had also grabbed her firearm and had it with her in the bathroom.  The man pushed open the bathroom door and struck the women.  She then fired one shot.  The home invader was transported to the local hospital and is expected to survive.  The homeowner, age 47 and recently widowed, was given medical care at the scene and did not know the intruder.  Phoenix police said no charges would be filed against the homeowner.

With a recent death in the family, I’m betting this was a search for drugs.

John  – DGU with no shots fired.  I’m not sure if this was a kidnapping or a car theft, but Marcus Forbes answered a Craigslist advertisement selling a Dodge Charger.  Forbes asked to take the car for a test drive with the owner.  Forbes continued to drive the car away even when the owner asked him to turn around.  Instead Forbes turned onto Interstate highway 65 and headed south.  It took 40 miles of arguing before the car owner pulled his gun and ordered Forbes to stop.  The owner then called police.  Forbes was taken into custody and charged with Criminal Confinement, Attempted Theft and other charges.

Craigslist is a common feeding ground for robbery.

Rachel- DGU- Three teenagers stormed into a Pharr, Texas smoke shop early Monday morning.  The store had been robbed several times in the last few months.  The three teens were wearing hooded sweatshirts with the hoods drawn up and they yelled “hands up” as they entered.  The store owner drew his firearm, shot and killed 18-year-old Julio Cesar Perez.  The two other teens were charged with murder due to Perez’s death.  One is in custody and the police are still seeking other suspects.

John –Teen burglars need to learn you just don’t mess with the elderly because it could be fatal. That is what two teen burglars found out to their detriment this past Sunday morning in Sacramento, California. An elderly widow, Alice Hubbard Gordinho, and her older brother, Brently Hubbard, were awakened by the teen burglars. The reason Mr. Hubbard was staying there was because there had been a series of burglaries at the home. Neighbors report hearing a series of shots and the Sacramento PD found two dead burglars when they arrived around 12:15am. Mr. Hubbard supposedly shot the two teens as they were headed out of the house. Neither the widow nor her brother are facing any criminal charges. Sacramento PD spokesperson Michele Gigante said people have the right to defend themselves when they fear for their safety.

Of course, relatives of 14-year old Michael Sambrano and his 16-year-old best friend Steven Crider say they didn’t deserve to be shot. Many of the neighbors beg to differ saying justice was served. All I can say is that if you want to do the crime, you better be willing to pay the price.

Rob – DGU- It wouldn’t feel like a DGU segment without a item from Detroit.  An off duty Detroit police officer worked at a pharmacy in the 600 block of Carpenter Street.  The officer walked outside to make a phone call, when a man approached the officer and demanded his phone.

The officer refused, and the robber pulled a gun.  The officer slapped the gun away and ran into the pharmacy.  The robber shot at the officer through the pharmacy door before the officer shot once and struck the suspect in the face.  The suspect is in serious condition.

Rachel- A woman in Dallas, TX shot a man who was stabbing her last week. Here’s how the event unfolded. Angela Martin was sitting in her car Friday evening, talking to another woman. The discussion turned into an argument, and the other woman’s husband (Louis Rodriguez) came and joined the fight. Martin then pulled her handgun out of her purse and placed it in her lap. Rodriguez pulled out a knife and began stabbing Martin – she responded by firing several fatal shots. Unfortunately, Rodriguez’s brother, who was reportedly trying to stop him from stabbing Martin, was accidentally hit by a bullet in the abdomen. He’s currently recovering. Martin made a statement to law enforcement, who say that a grand jury referral will be made.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob- We received this e-mail from a listener is Southern California.

Hi guys, was just listening to the podcast and heard you talk about Orange County and the lady that was annoyed about the Sheriff opening up for CCW permits and her appointment being in July of next year. That is most likely true, but misses an awful lot of explanation.

First off, Orange County is one of the few that isn’t waiting for Peruta to be certain. It’s a very sudden change in policy and Orange County Sheriff Department has hired a lot of people and brought back previously retired deputies to get through the backlog.

Of the three people I know going for their CCW permit in Orange County, they were given crazy distant appointments but told on the phone that as they build up the department and staff they should be given updated appointments. That happened, and they are currently within a three month schedule to get the permit having been told when they applied a date over one year in the future. They are now looking to receive their permits in the next three
weeks.

Of course, still delayed, but until a few months ago thousands of people were being denied and now are not – and the department is working hard, including weekends to move things through as quickly as possible.

Whereas in Riverside County, our Sheriff has made zero move to change his
closed off CCW policy. So, while I am here, I’m hoping you can throw out a mention as I know you will have a large listenership in California.

The mention would be for Chad Bianco who is running for Sheriff in Riverside County, and for anyone in Riverside or knows anyone in Riverside County to tell their friends about him.

Our current Sheriff doesn’t issue CCW’s to citizens unless they have strong so called “good cause”… while he is also telling us he is a strong second amendment supporter, yet has gone on record stating that his current policy of requiring proof of imminent danger – that sees 781 CCW permits in 2013 in a county with 2.5 million residents – is a good one.

Lieutenant Chad Bianco who is challenging him in the upcoming election however is of the mind that as long as you are legal, no matter how Peruta plays out, you will get one. By electing him we can get in front of the Peruta ruling and avoid having to sue the Riverside Sheriff for his requirements for extra paperwork (Going against CA Penal Code) and over any
other roadblocks he tries to throw up post Peruta. Plus, Chad Bianco is a good man seeking to become a good Sheriff, more than a good politician.

I also figure no matter how CCW plays out in the courts, we don’t need a Sheriff that doesn’t trust us with carrying guns let alone one that only stands up and supports the keeping guns part of the 2nd Ammendment.

Name withheld by request.

John : The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John : Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

John : Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Here is a shoutout to slamfire radio, but the polite society podcast has more facebook likes than they do.

Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

John: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Rachel- This show copyright 2014 Paul Lathrop and Polite Society Podcast.

Episode 234 – Jeff Hulsey

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, May 3rd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
John: I’m John Richardson, and tonight we will talk with Jeff Hulsey. Jeff is the retired gunsmith that we wrote about on our website a little more than a week ago.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our regular news segment and stories of defensive gun use.
Paul: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 234 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Break
Rob- Took some friends through dry practice and room clearing. Yes, we taught slicing the pie and the fatal funnel of doorways. After that exercise with finger guns, they understood why you call the cops to investigate a bump in the night.. and why the police send in dogs. Shot a steel match this morning. Traded guns with a friend who was having problems hitting the target. I’m sad to say the problem wasn’t the gun.

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John – Mark Glaze, executive director of Everytown for Gun Safety, announced he plans to resign in June to do “other things”. Glaze had previously been the director of Mayor Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns since 2011. He helped to orchestrate the merger of MAIG with Moms Demand late last year. Glaze said it was time for him to hand the fight off to someone else.

While there is no word on a successor, speculation centers around John Feinblatt who previously was the chief advisor on gun control issues while Bloomberg was still in office. Of course, they could always go with Shannon Watts which would make many in the gun-rights community happy given her proclivity for both lying and making errors.

Rob- Paul has a speech, a lecture, a tirade, a tear.  He is about to espouse, advocate, lecture and pontificate.  Here is his rant.

Paul – Although not gun related Chris, one of our regular contributors of feedback sent us a link that he thought we would be interested in. For those of you who have been long time listeners of the show you know that we spent a lot of time covering the Benghazi attack we have had Anthony Mele on several times to talk about it. and even though we haven’t covered it on the air recently I have been keeping tabs on it. This week emails surfaced that thanks to Judicial Watch were forced by the Obama administration to be made public through a FOIA request. The Administration originally denied the request and Judicial Watch sued and won. The released emails show that the Obama administration was directly behind the changing of the story of the attack being about  a demonstration about a YouTube video instead of being what it actually was, a coordinated attack on our consulate. I listened this week to the Fox News feed on Satellite Radio riveted, as Retired Brig. General Lowell testified in the House of Representatives on Thursday.  General Lowell clearly stated that there was no attempt to assist the victims of the attack because the State department would not request help. One phrase sticks out in my head “we are trained to move towards the sound of the guns” Our military was refused that action. There was a 7 hour attack. Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton released a statement at 10 pm Eastern that September 11th, while the attack was still going on. I am not and never have been in the military, but having the limited knowledge of military that I do, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that in 7 hours WE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING!

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Rob- Professor John Lott started an Indiegogo campaign to raise $300,000 to start the Crime Prevention Research Center. The CPRC’s goal is to counter the bogus anti-gun research that is being funded by major donors such as George Soros’ Open Society Foundation and the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation not to mention money from Michael Bloomberg. The funding for anti-gun research is aimed at going around Congressional prohibitions on using the Center for Disease Control to promote gun control as a public health issue. The Indiegogo funding will let Professor Lott hire additional research associates, gather data, and continue research on topics central to gun debate. $500,000 would fund Professor Lott’s the Center for a full year.

This research will help counter the lies pushed in the mainstream media by our opponents who would willing curtail both our gun rights and our civil rights.

Rob- I’m in.  Let’s give a shout out to every listener who contributes?

Rob- Louisiana State Senator Neil Riser sponsored legislation allowing active and retired law enforcement officers in good standing to carry a concealed firearm into any place open to the public, though they can’t drink or be on medication when they do so.  That is essentially constitutional carry.  The bill passed the house committee on a voice vote and and is expected to pass.

Yawn, another perquisite of having a badge, but here is why this is interesting.  Civilian concealed carry holders are less likely to commit a crime, even a firearms violation, than are law enforcement officers.  So if we’re trying to minimize risk, then civilian license holders should be admitted first.  Did the Louisiana legislators think of that?

John- You don’t believe Rob?  Two drunken NYPD cops fired their guns in separate, off-duty incidents and both cops were arrested this week. Officer Brendan Cronin, was behind the wheel late Tuesday night when he unloaded on a 47-year-old man who was a passenger in a car that was idling in front of him, striking the passenger 6 times.  About three hours later, outside a strip club in Somerset County, New Jersey, NYPD Sergeant. Wanda Anthony fired at least one round at a former boyfriend and his new girlfriend.  In this case, no one was hit. Anthony fled in her car and was then pulled over and charged with driving while intoxicated.

Earlier that week, off duty detective Jay Poggi shot his partner through the wrist after each had downed at least 11 drinks in the Rockaways, Queens, New York City.

John- Florida Carry has sued Broward County in state court for violating the state of Florida’s firearms and ammunition preemption statutes. The county has refused to change its ordinances which attempt to regulate the possession of firearms and other weapons in certain areas. Included in the Broward County ordinances are prohibitions against the possession of firearms, switchblades, knives, clubs, etc. by common carrier truck drivers.

Florida Carry is joined in a second suitfiled Friday against the City of Tallahassee by the Second Amendment Foundation. The city’s ordinances prohibit the discharge of a firearm for ANY reason in the city’s parks and recreation areas as well as any place other than areas zoned agricultural that are larger than 5 acres.

Rob- Some local politicians are smarter than those in Broward County and Tallahassee.  This week in Idaho, Madison County Commissioners repealed a ban on guns in public buildings as required by state law.  The Sheriff’s Office, Madison Memorial Hospital and other public buildings had been labeled as gun free zones.  The  signs are coming down.  According to Madison County Sheriff Roy Klingler, those who plan on committing a crime aren’t gonna be stopped by a sign or some lettering on a door.  In fact, putting guns in good hands can actually reduce the likelihood of mass shootings and other incidents.

Well said, Sheriff Klinger.

Rob- because Rachel is working today, I’ll carry this Texas news-  About 18 people showed up for a public rally of the newly formed Gregg County chapter of Open Carry Texas.  The group handed out literature on Texas gun laws.  Texas has 254 counties, so there are lots of chapters.  This is the fourth activity of the newly formed group in Gregg County.

Rob- John, what about your post “Guns In Schools Save Lives”  http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2014/05/purdue-university-homeland-security.html

Rob- Paul, here are some more statistics for you.  Sociologist Andrew Papachristos reported an important fact about Chicago criminals.  He looked at arrest records and mapped the individual networks between criminal gangs.  70 percent of all non-fatal shootings occur in networks comprising less than 6 percent of Chicago’s total population.  That means these few gang members are 12 times more likely than average to assault with a firearm.  It turns out they mostly shoot the ones they rob with and are arrested with.  That is why gun laws that disarm the general population of Chicago are ineffective, and counter productive.  I guess Everytown for Bloomberg money forgot to mention that little fact.  I’m glad we’re here to remind them and you.

Paul- Gun Quotes
“The police of a state should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight, is the foundation of civil freedom.” Author Rober A Heinlein in his book “Beyond This Horizon” published in 1942.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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John- When Keith Groves of Point Loma, CA heard a crash and then a window breaking at 4:22 AM on Tuesday, he jumped out of bed and looked out to see a kitchen window broken and his garage door open. He then retrieved his revolver and confronted a man standing beside his mint ‘32 Ford Roadster. It was then that Groves realized that he was standing stark naked as he held his revolver on the intruder. And that was the sight that the SDPD saw when they arrived. It was only then that the retired San Diego Fire-Rescue Department battalion chief was able to get dressed. Any comments?

Rob- One of my instructors said the police get pretty good at telling the good guys from the bad guys.  Standing there undressed is called a clue you were asleep in bed when the break in occurred.

Rob- Do you remember the Federal Express sorting facility where all the employees were disarmed, including the security guard who was seriously wounded?  Well that situation was avoidable.  Here is a similar case in Texas where a construction worker had been fired from a work site in the West Campus are of Austin.  The worker came back and threatened the foreman, and a police report was filed at that time.  Then the fired worker came back with a gun and shot at the foreman.  This time the foreman drew his own handgun and shot the assailant.  The foreman had Concealed Handgun License and was allowed to have his gun on the worksite.  Both men were taken to University Medical Center Brackenridge. The foreman suffered a serious injury, while the suspect suffered a potentially life-threatening injury.  Firearms author and trainer Stephen P. Wenger notes that the fatality rate of gunshot wounds in the US about 15%, so being shot does not mean you’re out of the fight.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

John: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Here is a shoutout to slamfire radio, but the polite society podcast has more facebook likes than they do.

Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

John: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Paul: This show copyright 2014 Paul Lathrop and Polite Society Podcast.

Episode 233 – Jim Irvine and Julie

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, April 30th 2014. I’m John Richardson.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have an interview with Jim Irvine and one of his students at FASTER, that is Faculty / Administrator Safety Training & Emergency Response.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use,so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rachel: and hang on! Episode 233 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob- NRA convention. Met a few listeners and facebook friends.

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Rob- John and I have a review of the NRA Convention, but first, a quote for Rachel.

Gun culture 2.0 was in full bloom at the NRA convention. Gun culture 1.0 was rural, centered around hunting, predominantly white, and well to do. Gun culture 2.0 is urban, motivated by self-defense, and it includes both sexes, all classes and races. The phrase “NRA country” should probably change to “NRA city or NRA suburb.”

If you’re a minority outside the gun culture, then it probably takes a year to feel welcome at the range or gun store. You’ll come with your sponsor or a sponsoring organization, but it takes a dozen chaperoned visits before you feel like you belong in the new environment.

There are a lot of interesting people at the NRA convention. I got to thank David Kopel for the Colorado court case. I got to meet the Colorado second amendment association and Laura Carno from I am created equal and also from Colorado. I also got to talk with Anthony Calandro again. That interview will come in a later episode. I met Marty and Gila Hayes, Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin, Kathy Jackson, Rick Ector, Rob Pincus, Jim Irvine, Kyle Coplen, Alan Gottlieb and outgoing NRA president David Keene. I talked with Kenn Blanchard, Dave Cole, Bob Owens and Mark Walters.

The vendor’s hall was filled with experts from gunpowder to credit card processing. Rachel, you missed it.

There were 75 thousand members at the convention, yet I saw friends before I’d gone 100 yards into the conference center. Gun inspections found a live one round, and here is a clip from one of our listeners who was inspecting the firearms.

What did you guys do?

John – I was able to attend two days of the NRA Annual Meeting. For me, it was more about the people than the new products. I caught up with a lot of other bloggers as well as others in the gun culture. Among the people I met was Mike Fifer, CEO of Ruger, who was at the Ruger booth meeting all who came by. I was also able to do an interview from revolversmith and trainer Grant Cunningham which we will have in a later podcast.

I was also able to meet up with a lot of the people who had attended the Lucky Gunner Blogger Shoot back in 2011. I saw Sebastian, Tam, Tom McHale, Kenn Blanchard, Jaci Janes, Mike Mollenhaur, John Cresanto, Bob Owens, and Linoge. I think a few who were there but it was great to catch up with them.

The one thing I missed was the Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors demonstration. Given that they want us to be disarmed and not able to provide for our own security, I wondered if Shannon Watts would have an armed security team. And guess what, she did! Moreover, all of those who attended this “grassroots” event had their travel and lodging paid for with Bloomberg’s money. This contrasts with all 75,267 of us who got to the NRA Annual Meeting on our own dime and who provided for our own security.MDA insanity

Rob- My friend and fellow gun rights activist Kenn Blanchard was sitting next to two Bloomberg Moms as he flew out to Indianapolis from DC.

Rachel- personal news and ankle repair service. No dancing with the stars for a few weeks.

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John – Indiana is shall issue and allows carry in bars and restaurants. The number of women with Indiana concealed carry licenses has increased by 20 percent in each of the last two years.

Rob -A gunman opened fire on co-workers before taking his own life.  The Federal Express employee in Kennesaw, Georgia had been reprimanded by his supervisor for shining a laser pointer on fellow employees.  He came back with a gun.  The employee wounded six co-workers before taking his own life.  Like the other examples of public violence, the employees at the sorting facility were disarmed because the workplace is a gun free zone.FED EX gun free

I expect two things.  The murderer had mental health issues, and Fed Ex deserves a great big lawsuit for leaving  their employees defenseless.

Rachel – Oklahoma resolution 1026 will go to the voters after passing both the house and senate.  The resolution adds language to the Oklahoma constitution.  It describes that bearing arms means to carry.  It says that arms includes firearms, knives and non lethal tools like defensive sprays.  It protects ammunition and magazines as well as firearms.  It says you can’t impose special taxes on “arms”.  The citizens of Oklahoma can vote on it in November.

John – Pennsylvania gun owners and sympathetic legislators took to the capitol steps on Saturday.  Several hundred activists turned out along with dozens of legislators.  Legislators spoke in support of constitutional carry and the right to carry into an employers parking lot.  They also advocated elimination of the redundant Pennsylvania instant background check system.  Pennsylvania is a long long way from New York.

Rob -Utah Representative Chris Stewart introduced a bill to cut funding for any “paramilitary units” that work for the Bureau of Land Management, the Internal Revenue Service and other federal regulatory agencies. He cited concerns with the armed federal agents who occupied the Bundy ranch in Nevada. “There are lots of people who are really concerned when the BLM shows up with its own SWAT team.  They’re regulatory agencies. They’re not paramilitary units, and I think that concerns a lot of us.”

Rob- I looked and did not find the Stewart bill on PopVox yet.

Rob- The Peruta court decision in California opened the floodgates for concealed carry in some California counties.  4 thousand county residents applied in the two months since the court decision.   This required 14 new staff members in the Orange County Sheriff’s office to process the applications.  The wait for the required interview is currently 30 months.

Rachel-Illinois Carry reports that a lawsuit was filed in the 7th Judicial Circuit Court.  The suit was filed to secure due process for those who have been denied an Illinois Concealed Carry License by the CCL Review Board.  The board does not need to disclose why an applicant was rejected.  There is no opportunity to appeal to the CCL Review Board for a review of the denial. The suit asks the court to issue an order reversing and remanding the denials.

In Illinois you can deny a fundamental and enumerated civil right without having to show cause.  Hmm.  That hardly sounds like “the land of Lincoln.”

John- Fox news commentator Juan Williams called for disarming all americans.  He then admitted that his wife wanted a gun after she was robbed and carjacked while sitting at an Automatic Teller Machine.  We’ve long heard the clever comment that a liberal is one mugging away from being a conservative.  It sounds like Misses Williams is on her way to conversion.

Rob- Also in California, A republican senator proposed shall issue legislation.  His bill was rejected in committee along a party line vote. It is hard to say you are a democrat in California and support a woman’s right to choose self-defense.  Some sheriffs lobbied against the bill also because it takes away some of their ability to .. solicit donations.

Rachel- Gun Quotes
“I declare to you that a woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself, and there I take my stand.” –Susan B. Anthony

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after these interviews with Jim Irvine and Julie of the Ohio Faculty / Administrator Safety Training & Emergency Response program.
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Rob- Robbery is a tough line of work, but this one had an unusual retirement plan.  28 year old Reginald Melancon entered an apartment in East Oak Cliff, Dallas, Texas.  Melancon was armed and held the occupants at gunpoint in an attempted robbery.  One of the occupants pulled a gun from under a couch and shot Melancon several times.  The robber was transported to Baylor medical center where he died.  None of the residents were injured.  They are cooperating with police and have not been charged.

John- A Detroit homeowner got her concealed carry permit last year.  It paid off yesterday when an intruder used a crowbar to smash his way into her home.  The homeowner immediately called 911.  She yelled to the intruder that they were at home.  She yelled she had a gun.  When the intruder finally smashed his way into the home, she fired.  The intruder was taken to the hospital with a gunshot wound in the arm.

Rob- did I mention I saw Rick Ector (Firearms Academy of Detroit)  at the NRA convention in Indianapolis?

Rachel- A couple of purse-snatchers in Houston found their target – a woman shopping with her children — grabbed the purse, and were attempting a getaway when a Good Samaritan intervened. The on-looker pulled his weapon and held the purse snatchers at gunpoint while he waited for the police to arrive. Another witness snapped a picture, which has been circling the internet.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.  We have an advertisement from the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, and then a tips and tricks segment from Kenn Blanchard.

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Rob- We received a few listener e-mails about state legislation. I wanted to wait until the legislation passes or fails so we don’t cover the same legislation 6 times. My fault.

John: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

John: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: http://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2014/04/29/you-are-the-gun-culture/

John: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Here is a shoutout to slamfire radio, but the polite society podcast has more facebook likes than they do.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

John: We’re trying a slight change in our schedule. The weekend show will go live at 6:30 pm central time Saturday. That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rachel: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Rachel- This show copyright 2014 by Paul Lathrop and Polite Society Podcast.

Episode 232 – Michael Willett, John Willett and Ben Branam

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The USA Today is reporting that the ATF is overloaded with NFA registrations. From the article. Between 2005 and 2013, firearms act-related applications “skyrocketed by more than 380%” to nearly 200,000, according to the April 16 memo issued by ATF Deputy Assistant Director Marvin Richardson. The surge has contributed to a backlog of more than 70,000 applications.
Richardson’s memo states that the ATF is “immediately” hiring 15 people to assist with the application processing and deploying 15 current employees to the task.
While it is good that demand for these items is healthy, it is unacceptable that it takes nearly a year for the applications to be processed.
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According to the AP one of the big pushes at the NRA convention this year is National Reciprocity. The NRA show is why 2 of the 4 that you usually hear on the show aren’t here tonight. Rob and John are both attending and we hope to get reports from them on Wednesday’s show.
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Georgia has a new law that greatly expands where people with a concealed weapons permit can carry. This has been decried in the media. “why would you want to carry a gun in church?” Because I don’t think you should be able to kill people in church.
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Our good friend Miguel over at the Gun Free Zone blog has a great take on the Bloomberg $50 million astroturf organization. Responding to a report that the former mayor is paying to have protesters show up at the NRA show this weekend, Miguel says “That’s all you need to know. They are not and never were grassroots. They are making a big show of having to pay for their activists to travel to the NRA Annual Meeting to “face off” tens of thousands of people who paid for their own travel & expenses.  And that it is happening on Shannon Watt’s backyard is even more humiliating.

It is hard to win a war when using mercenaries.”
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Our final story tonight is that the mainstream media did a bit of a hatchet job on Cliven Bundy, the ranch owner in Nevada who the BLM tried to steal cattle from recently (didn’t they used to hang cattle rustlers?) Bundy made a speech to local supporters supporting minorities, and made the point that we must be vigilant so that civil rights aren’t turned back to jim crow days, but of course the MSM cut the thing up into tiny little pieces, and made Bundy look like a racist.
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Gun Quotes
By calling attention to a well-regulated militia for the security of the Nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our Founding Fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny, which gave rise to the second amendment, will ever be a major danger to our Nation, the amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic military-civilian relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of the country. For that reason I believe the second amendment will always be important. –JOHN F. KENNEDY

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 4 DGUs
DGU #1
ARCHDALE, N.C. —A homeowner shot toward a suspect during a home break-in Wednesday morning, police said. The suspect is still on the loose.

The incident was reported around 10:45 a.m. at a home on Rand Boulevard just off South Main Street. No injuries were reported.

The homeowner had returned home when he heard loud knocking on a side door, Archdale police said. The homeowner went to retrieve a gun, and the door was kicked open as he made it back down the hall, police said.

The suspect fled the home, and the homeowner followed him outside, police said. The suspect got into his Dodge Charger and drove toward the homeowner, causing him to fire one shot at the vehicle, police said.

The shot hit the middle of the windshield, but the suspect was able to flee north on Main Street, police said.

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KIOWA COUNTY, Oklahoma –

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations is looking into an attempted home invasion and shooting that occurred Tuesday evening in Kiowa County.

According to the Kiowa County Sheriff’s Office, deputies were called to a home in the 200 block of S. Parker in Mountain Park. Investigators say just before midnight, the homeowner was awakened by a knock at his door.

Investigators say the victim opened his door, when a man hit him with a large metal pipe. The homeowner shot the man several times with a small caliber handgun. The shooting victim then went to his own house located several blocks away and called the sheriff’s office about being shot. He was flown to an Oklahoma City hospital with possible life-threatening injuries.

The Kiowa County Sheriff’s Office requested OSBI investigative and crime scene agents work the case. At this point, no arrest has been made. Since no one has been arrested or charged with a crime, no names are being released at this time.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Email #1 From Chris
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/04/medawar_jewelers_fends_off_rob.html

Dgu from michigan, also in the last episode you guys were talking about what a “great” place Flint is. Hahaha. I use to be a armored truck guard/ driver and my route was The Flint route in the time I was on that route there were countless banks robbed that we serviced an auto part supplier that we also serviced was robbed about every other week on 2 occasions of that store being robbed there were shots fired into the ceiling. Needless to say there was not one day that I didn’t wear my level 3a vest. I thankfully never had to use my firearm but there were times where the hairs on the back of my neck were standing up and the situation seemed like it was going to turn bad thankfully it never did. Anyway flint is a hole stay away from there I am glad to see the people of flint standing up to the garbage there.

Email #2 From Chris
http://fox17online.com/2014/04/23/montcalm-co-couple-fighting-to-get-concealed-pistol-licenses-back/#axzz2zkwEquZt.

Here’s an interesting case for you guys.
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STANTON, Mich., (April 23, 2014)–  A couple from Montcalm County is fighting to get their concealed pistol licenses back after the gun board revoked them, saying they renounced their U.S. Citizenship.

But Randy and Shelly Esch say that’s not the case and they want answers. Randy Esch says he got a letter a few months back from the gun board saying that during his review his CPL was revoked; so was his wife’s.

Shelly says they are still living in the state, working in the state and paying their taxes.

They say they filed an Apostille, an act of state and reaffirmation of standing of what they say are their beliefs, but claim it was never their intent to not be U.S. citizens anymore.

“That’s not what we’re trying to say.  We’re trying to say exactly what I told you, our belief in God. I accepted the Constitution as it was written and the Bill of Rights and that’s what this says,” said Randy.

What Esch says he meant by it and how the gun board interpreted it are two different things. We took the document to Heather Garretson, a professor at Cooley Law School.

“The document is unclear as to whether he attempted to fully and legally renounce. It is clear from the document, ‘void’ and ‘renounced’ and ‘fraudulent’ are mixed in with the state and Montcalm County and the United States,” she said. “I think that to legally renounce your U.S. citizenship it’s going to take more than this document,” Garretson said.

Esch says they never went through the multiple steps required to legally renounce.

Montcalm County Prosecutor Andrea Krause is one of three on the Gun Board and says the evidence they received signed and filed by the Eschs was enough for the board during review, that under the CPL statue they’re not eligible.

The Eschs can appeal but say they don’t want to spend more money on doing that when they feel the board is in the wrong.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
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John: and we’ll see you down the road.