Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, May28th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have a rant about the murders in Santa Barbara
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
Rachel: strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 239 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rachel: I’m wrapping up the school year, getting ready for my sister’s graduation in West Texas, and working like crazy getting ready for the Texas State Republican convention next week. It’s the largest political gathering in the world. I’ll be there all week, so stop by the Rules Committee meetings and say hello.
Rob: Dry practice
Gary: chat about first trip with granddaughters to Fort Snelliing National Cemetery – and finding lost relatives.
Back after this advertisement by ABN
Seg 2- News
Rachel- comments on the Texas elections
Turnout for primary elections is typically low. The same goes for run-off elections. How about a primary run-off? Around 5% of Texas’ registered voters made it out for several statewide races and another handful of local races. The gun groups’ top pick for Lt. Governor (the president of the Senate) didn’t make it to this run-off, and most gun rights people were disappointed with the two choices we were given. We ended up kicking out the current guy, Dewhurst. We’ll see how the new one does. We did have an unfortunate loss in a house race: TJ Fabby, whom I’ve dubbed the Constitutional Carry Candidate, lost his election in the primary run-off yesterday. Now we’re going to have to work harder than ever for strong gun legislation next session.
We did have some wins, though! This primary season, we’ve thrown out several incumbents and will be replacing them with more liberty-minded reps. That should help.
Rob: Here is my rant on the Santa Barbara murders.
This is an un-teachable moment. A young man stabbed three people on Friday. He hit several people with his car and shot three people next to the University of California Santa Barbara campus. This should teach us what makes us safe and what doesn’t. This event should teach us. The sad news is we don’t want to learn.
In his published statements, a pampered murdering son blames everyone for his failures. everyone except himself. He drives an expensive car and lives a luxurious life he didn’t earn. He writes about hating his parents and wanting to stab his step mother and half brother. The murder’s father said he hates guns and wants better mental health treatment.. for his son who has been in therapy since he was eight years old. A father of one of the victims blames the NRA and politicians who allowed guns into the world.. while his son was killed in a gun-free zone.
Do you notice a pattern here? The father blames mental illness. The victims father blames guns and the NRA. The son blamed others for his problems. Unfortunately, we are also part of that same pattern. We refuse to learn from past mistakes and we blame others instead of providing real solutions. Let’s stop placing blame.
Instead, let me describe the next public murder for you.
- The murderer has a narcissistic personality and demands attention. He wants his name in the news and will kill to get it there.
- The attack is launched against people in a gun free zone because narcissists don’t like competition.
- The murderer has mental health issues and is probably be on psychotropic drugs prescribed by a doctor.
- The murderer is enthralled by violent video games and spends a lot of his time playing them.
- There are warning signs, and they are ignored.
Making predictions about the media’s reaction to the next public murder is too easy. Liberal media will blame the NRA and lax gun laws even though the murders took place in gun-control paradise.
- California is rated first as the most gun- restrictive state by the Brady Campaign.
- Santa Barbara sheriff Bill Brown so dislikes armed citizens that he refuses to issue concealed carry permits.
- California has strict gun-free school zone laws so there were no armed defenders within thousands of feet of the UCSB campus.
This crime took place in an anti-gun state, in an anti-gun county, in an anti-gun school zone. This crime should have been impossible if gun control actually worked. Evidence screams that gun control doesn’t work, but we won’t learn from our mistakes. Instead, liberal politicians will double down on gun-control and claim it is for the children. The media will support them.
Here comes the new tragedy, same as the old tragedy.. until we learn. <Rant off>
Rachel- Documents indicate he planning the murders over the last 5 months.
Gary: Joe the plumber comment – will comment on this.
John – From Tam at View from the Porch is probably the best comment on how the media reacts: “So there’s a “mass* shooting” that would have been a page three wet firecracker in Compton, but do it to some cracker kids from the ‘burbs serving their four years at the Special Snowflake Warehouse & Indoc Center and the nation just loses its collective $#!+.
Apparently busting caps in three people’s asses isa lot bigger deal if you do it out the window of an ’08 Bimmer instead of a ’94 Caprice.”
Rachel- By Saturday morning the Moms Demand more money group on Facebook had many posts blaming the NRA. They are blaming the NRA for the murders committed by a confirmed anti-gun hollywood sociopath. Any excuse will do.
Comments. Rob: They blame the biggest firearms safety organization in the country. Now that is stupid.
John- The 22 year old murderer purchased his firearms legally in California and passed three background checks as an adult. He was not a prohibited person even though he received numerous requests by his family for police to visit the student and perform a wellness check. This after he had been in therapy since he was 8 years old and was now seeing multiple therapists. One of the therapists works for the Los Angeles County Department of Family and Child Services. California law applies, so I hope the therapists are very well insured.
Gary- This murder is similar to others. The murderers at the elementary school at Sandy Hook, Connecticut, at the movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, at the Washington Navy Yard, and at Fort Hood were equally crazy.. and all of them passed background checks because they were not prohibited persons. We simply have no way to anticipate violence.
Rachel- That doesn’t stop the politicians. Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut and Representative Peter King from Long Island, New York called for stricter firearms legislation after the California murders. Quote, “Obviously, not every kind of gun violence is going to be prevented by laws out of Washington, but at least we can make a start.”
Really, Senator? Really, Congressman? After passing some 23 thousand laws restricting firearms, I kind of hoped you’d be done by now and we could finally see the beneficial results you promised from gun control. As far as I and the researchers can tell, the beneficial effects of gun control are always one more law away.. and always will be. They didn’t slow this murderer down, and the next law won’t either.
Gary- Background checks don’t stop murderers and they don’t bother criminals. Thieves targeted Florida gun owners in their search to illegally acquire guns. Four cars were broken into during broad daylight in a high traffic parking area for a central Florida gun show. Thieves made off with guns, ammo, cameras, and other items while causing thousands of dollars in damage to the vehicles. I guess the thieves aren’t going the legal route and submitted to those background checks the anti-gunners are so proud of.
Comment- Rob, that doesn’t stop the anti-gunners from claiming gun registration and background checks are wonderful.
John- The media loves a good massacre, and loves to ignore one. In Chicago late last month, 39 people were shot in one weekend. That is predominantly black-on-black crime and ignored by our national media. Instead the media focuses on the sizzle of a sociopathic pampered playboy driving a BMW in California.
Rachel- Here is more news from Chicago. Mayor Rahm Emanuel is proposing a far-reaching ordinance that would keep gun stores out of 99.5 percent of Chicago. It also requires stores to videotape every sale. They also would have to get the police to approve a security plan before they could open their doors. What stupid federal judge allowed Chicago politicians to make those rules?
Gary: do we have his name.
Rob- There may be a limit to the stupidity of New Jersey politicians, but not much. It appears the magazine capacity bill that limited magazine capacity to 10 rounds now exempts tube fed 22 rifles. I don’t know how they made that change after the bill went through committee, but breaking the law would never bother a Jersey politician.
John- This news is right out of the Acorn Scandal. Anti-gun lawmakers in Rhode Island wrote a 10 percent sales tax on guns and ammunition. That is an additional ten percent on top of the existing federal, state and local taxes. These tax proceeds are supposed to go to law enforcement, except law enforcement is allowed to give the money to non-profit anti-gun groups. These are the same anti-gun groups who donate to anti-gun politicians.
The anti-gun politicians just wrote themselves a campaign donation with taxpayers money. Rahm Emanuel and the Chicago machine would be proud.. or envious.
Comment- If you wanted to promote gun safety you’d give the money to the NRA.
Rachel- There is some good news down south. Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal signed two firearms bills into law. The first allows concealed carry holders to enter a restaurant where liquor is sold, though they can not drink alcohol. The law also allows current and retired law enforcement officers, judges and district attorneys to carry concealed in bars. There are laws for them and separate laws for us.
The second law expands the castle doctrine. Louisiana already protected the homeowner from being sued if they killed a criminal breaking into their home or car. The new law prevents suit if the criminal is only injured.
Rob- Here is a bit of good sense from Georgia. Appling, Georgia to be exact. Citizens interested in learning how to safely carry, handle and shoot their handguns were invited to the Columbia County Sheriff’s Office Citizen’s Firearms Academy. The free class was held on Saturday at the sheriff’s Training Center.
The class informed citizens about firearms laws in Georgia, and developed marksmanship and safety skills. Georgia has new open carry laws and there was a live-fire portion of the class as well. Georgia listeners can follow the link in our show notes to look into the next class.
John- Texas is far from perfect. Amelia Pickens called police about a car she suspected had hit her daughter’s car. Arlington police officer Phil Hill arrived and two of the car’s occupants were ultimately arrested, one for an outstanding warrant and one for possession of a controlled substance.
When Amelia handed over her license and proof of insurance, she explained she had a CHL as required by Texas law. That was when Officer Hill seized her purse and confiscated her firearm.
Pickens said, “I’m disabled. My husband goes out of town quite frequently. I have to be able to defend myself. There should have been no reason why at all that he took my gun. I didn’t do anything bad with my gun. I didn’t brandish it. I didn’t even say I had a gun. The only time my gun was mentioned was when the officer asked me for my drivers license and insurance. I have to show my CHL at that particular point.”
It sounds like Arlington Police need a law suit, a monetary judgement, and some serious retraining.
Gun Quote of the day
Rob- Criminals obey gun laws like politicians follow their oaths of office.. source unknown.
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob- A 22 year old man in Orosi, California heard someone trying to enter his home at 5:30 in the morning. His parents are farmworkers and had already left for the day, while he supervised his three younger siblings. The 22 year old grabbed the family gun and traded shots when the thieves broke through the door. He was shot multiple times, but Police found two suspects outside the home also suffering from gunshot wounds. One died, and the other underwent surgery.
The young man who defended his family is expected to fully recover. Police say there are still suspects at large and are seeking the driver of a gray Astro Van and they have the license number.
Comment- Rachel- As I tell my students, crime doesn’t make an appointment. Carry or hope you guess right.
Rachel- Retired Police Officer Derek Bishop sat in a Mercedes in East New York at about 3:15 Tuesday morning. Bishop works security at a nearby recycling plant when Manuel Ocampo and his 18-year-old cousin approached the car, pointed a gun at Officer Bishop. The thieves demanded his money and keys. Bishop gave the pair some money, but they demanded more. The cousin, Rashawn Thompson, moved to the passenger side door and Manuel Ocampo stayed on the driver’s side. That is when Officer Bishop got out of the car, drew his weapon and opened fire, hitting Ocampo in the chest and head. He died at the hospital.
“It’s not a good feeling to shoot anybody,” Bishop said Tuesday afternoon, tears streaming down his face. “It was just something that happened. I didn’t want to die. I wanted to be able to see my kids and my wife.”
Comment- Rob, I have sympathy for the officer, but I also have sympathy for the rest of the legally disarmed civilians in NYC who deserve the right of self- defense so they too can go home and see their loved ones.
John -Two robbers entered the Wholesale Mattress Warehouse in Charlotte, North Carolina on Sunday afternoon. The thief put a gun in the store owners face and demanded his cellphone and cash. He threatened to kill him if he did not comply. The store owner reached into the till and pulled out a gun of his own. He shot one of the robbers and the robber fired back but didn’t hit the store owner. The injured suspect was transported to Carolinas Medical Center with a bullet wound in his stomach. The shooter is cooperating with investigators, police said.
Comment- Rob- Action beats reaction, but only if you practice.
Rob- This is a good week for defensive gun use with no shots fired. For starters, 22 year old Jessica McDonald works at Discount Textbooks in Fort Dodge, Iowa. She had just opened the store at 9 in the morning when a man came in, put a bandana over his face and demanded money. Jessica showed him the still empty till. The robber came around behind the counter and repeated his demands. That is when Jessica grabbed the gun kept behind the counter and pointed it at the thief. She told him to leave the store as she backed away with the gun pointed at the man.
She said “I feel comfortable now using it, but I always said I never thought I would. It was shocking to me when I started here that there is a gun and I always thought it was over the top and we didn’t need it, but I’m very glad that we have it.“
Store Manager Paul Tigges said the firearm was put there for employees’ safety.
The thief fled and the police do not have suspects in custody.
Comment- This is why you should carry.
Rachel- Two men repeatedly called a young woman in Salt Lake City, Utah. After she stopped answering the phone, the two men, armed with guns, kicked in the door to her home. The girl’s father grabbed his handgun and confronted the intruders who were young men he recognized. The intruders fled.
The two men were quickly arrested on suspicion of aggravated burglary and aggravated assault. They were booked into the Salt Lake County Jail.
Comment- These young men are lucky to be alive.
Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend. We’ll be right back after this advertisement and our tips and tricks segment on the four safety rules.
Tips and tricks segment on the four safety rules.
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion
Rachel: From Robert in New York
You did not list the New York state rifle and pistol association as a member of the NYSRPA . We need all the help we can get. With the states governor thinking he feels that he knows better than real people. You have to remember that he has never done an honest Day’s work he went from school right politics . And he has done a lousy job with anything he has done.
Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time. Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com.. Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438
John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.
Gary: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?
– You want craven, I’ll give you craven! Blood dancing by the anti’s to raise money and push gun control.
Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well, and the drawing is coming up the end of June!
Gary: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.
Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Joining two makes you a hero. Supporting all four makes you a super hero.
John: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.
Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners. Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!
Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show, stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.