Episode 231- Scout of Project Appleseed

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Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, April 23rd. I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have an hour long interveiw with Scout from the Appleseed Project.
Rob: we also have our news, tips and tricks, and DGUs.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Rachel: and hang on! Episode 231 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant

Paul- earning a living.
John- on his way to NRA convention
Rob- Vehicle repair, day job, NRA convention. Wrote my article that has to publish while I’m away.
Rachel- fundraiser dinner for TJ Fabby, our Constitutional Carry Candidate. Trying to hurry up the recovery of my busted ankle for the Zombie Run this weekend. It’s 4.5 miles, and I’d rather not crawl, but I will if I have to…
Rachel’s rant on women and concealed carry.
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Good news for Georgia gun owners. Governor Nathan Deal signed a bill today allowing those with concealed carry permits to carry guns many more places, including some schools, churches, and bars, and airports outside security. Americans for Responsible Solutions opposed the bill, calling it “extremism in action.” GeorgiaCarry, which lobbied for the bill, calls it “meaningful pro-gun legislation,” despite it being watered down from the group’s perspective. The bill will go into effect July 1.

Rachel-Texas gun rights activists have experienced multiple unlawful arrests in the past 6 months. Most of those cases have been stalled…one has just reached a happy ending. Terry Holcomb, Sr., arrested last fall for legally carrying a black powder pistol, reported, “My case has been officially dismissed “in the interest of justice”! This has been a long hard fight and the Travis County Attorney finally came to the conclusion that no crime had been committed therefore I was unlawfully arrested. At this time I do not know what my next steps will be. I am very grateful for all of the prayers and support. We still have 6 arrests that need to be dealt with so our work is not done.” Today, Terry successfully retrieved his black powder pistol that was confiscated as evidence.

Rob-The New York City comptroller questioned a Texas energy company about donations it made to the National Rifle Association and  the political action committee American Crossroads. The comptroller requested“all direct and indirect political” payments made to 501(c)(4)s, 501(c)(3)s and other tax-exempt organizations “involved in the political process, including voter education.”  New York city’s pensions have around $3.2 million invested in Clayton Williams Energy, which is based in Midland, Texas. Clayton Williams Energy has a market capitalization of over $1.6 billion.

Hey, New York, if you don’t like a company’s donations, invest elsewhere.

Rachel- Kory Watkins is a member of Open Carry Texas, a pro-gun rights group that often demonstrates with firearms in hand. Now, a microphone will be his weapon of choice as he speaks out against what he calls an attack on his freedoms by the City of Arlington… Tuesday night, the Arlington City Council passed the first reading of two ordinances that have the group up in arms. The first ordinance would put a blanket ban on all weapons and “simulated weapons” at government meetings. The other would ban all weapons and any objects that resemble a weapon from public government meetings… Open Carry Texas complained to city leaders after members of its group were ticketed last month while passing out pamphlets to drivers near Lincoln Square. Arlington police said they were violating a city ordinance because they were going into the roadway to hand people the pamphlets, creating a potentially dangerous situation for themselves and motorists. Police met with the group before that demonstration and explained the ordinance to them. Watkins believes the rule is unconstitutional…

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/The-Debate-Over-Weapons-Heats-Up-in-Arlington-256260911.html?_osource=SocialFlowFB_DFWBrand

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An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it. Lt.Col. Jeff Cooper

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Rachel- A Lynn, Massachusets teenager brought a shotgun.  His friend brought a handgun when they decided to rob people at 12:30 AM on Wednesday.  Amoy Blake pointed the shotgun at the victim’s face and Jahleel Williams pointed the handgun at the second victim.  When Amoy Blake turn to talk to his accomplice, the first victim drew his 357 and shot Blake twice in the chest. Jahleel Williams fled, but was later arrested by police.  Blake was transported to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.  The victim had a licensed firearm and a Massachusets concealed carry permit.  He is not being charged.  Jahleel Williams pleaded not guilty to attempted armed robbery and felony murder.

Tease Rachel about her e-mail.

Rob- A jeweler in Grand Rapids has been down this road before.  This time he was armed and ready.  Four armed robbers entered Paul Medawar Fine Jewelry on Tuesday.  Mister Medawar say them gather outside the store and ordered his staff to the back room of the shop.  They watch the four robbers try to break into the jewelry cases and yelled that they were armed.  They watched the armed robber enter the back room and two of the jewelry store staff fired.  The thieves fled.  Police found blood at the scene.

David Medawar said “It all happened very fast… even though the door to the back room opened slowly with the gun pointed at us.

Rachel- A robber was shot while trying to hold up a Dallas [TX] beer and wine store. It happened around 9 p.m. at Lisa’s Beer and Wine in west Dallas. A man went into the store and demanded cash. And as he grabbed for a pack of cigarettes the store clerk grabbed a gun. The robber got away with about $300 and police believe they know the suspect’s identity, but have not yet arrested him.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Rob-

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Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rachel: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rachel: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Here is a shoutout to slamfire radio, but the polite society podcast has more facebook likes than they do.

Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rachel: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rachel: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 230 – Lax Data Security at NAGR

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John: The lead story of the week has to be Mayor Bloomberg’s renamed gun control organization, Everytown for Gun Safety. While they got gushing stories from the NY Times, NBC, and the rest of the mainstream media, they blew their social media rollout.

Little more than a month ago at the South by Southwest Festival in Austin, Shannon Watts and Mark Glaze were putting on a presentation entitled “Disrupting the Gun Lobby with Digital Organizing.” So what happened when they rolled out their renamed astroturf organization? Some enterprising gun rights activist snagged the Facebook page for Everytown for Gun Safety. There are now over 100 Facebook pages using some variant of that name and they all are pro-gun. This is what a real grassroots effort looks like. $50 million and 85 paid staffers can do a lot for you but they don’t make you a grassroots organization.

(Checking a few minutes ago, it looks like the pro-gun EGS page was taken down by FB. There are still a hundred more!)

Paul- The US Supreme Court considered Drake v. Jerejian at their weekly conference on Friday. This is the New Jersey case that seeks to overturn that state’s requirement for “justifiable need” in order to obtain a carry permit. Frank Fiamingo who was our guest this past Wednesday said he was hopeful that they would accept the case after rejecting cases from New York and Maryland. With the split in the Federal Circuits, the time is ripe for the Supreme Court to decide on this issue. We will know on Monday whether or not the Supreme Court decided to grant certiorari to the plaintiffs. Its takes four of the nine justices voting for it for a case to be heard by the Supreme Court.

Rachel – An explosion at the Rio ammunition plant in McEwen, Tennessee killed one worker and put two others into the hospital. The plant which makes shotgun shells is located 55 miles west of Nashville. It had 20 workers in it at the time of the explosion. Investigators from BATFE have concluded that the explosion was accidental. Killed in the explosion was Rodney Edwards. A GoFundMe page has been set up to help pay his funeral expenses.

Finally this is a story that John and I have been working on since last night..

On Friday evening we were contacted by Jeff Hulsey, a retired gunsmith from the Gulf Coast region of Texas. Jeff had a problem. Starting back in August of 2013 He began receiving emails at his personal email inbox, which is through the popular Gmail domain, that it did not appear were intended for him.

The emails were from the National Association for Gun Rights, a Colorado based 501c4 organization with the stated purpose of “Educating gun owners and gun rights’ supporters in gun rights issues both at the local and federal level”.

Jeff provided an email that he had redacted the identifying information from. The information, such as email address of the sender and the sender’s telephone number as well as any other information of a personal nature provided in the body of the email seemed to be forwarded from inside the organization. At the top of the email sent to us was a one word sentence. “Rebuttal?”

To Jeff, this looked like a simple mistake. It looked like someone had the wrong email address and was forwarding him email incorrectly. He tried to contact NAGR and got no response. He has since received about one email a month from them following the same pattern.

What concerns Jeff is the fact that even though he is trying to point out the fairly obvious error that they are making that they are leaking personal information to an unknown source. We asked Jeff if these emails were truly unsolicited. He replied, “Absolutely unsolicited. The only dealings I’ve ever had with the NAGR were to score a couple of stickers for the side of my toolbox. I’m not even a member.”

When asked if the rest of the emails looked like the email he provided to us he stated, “Yes. It’s random questions from people who visited their “Contact Us” page, then forwarded by someone within their organization for follow-up or review. Some of them contain some very specific personal information, like the USPS worker who details which facility he works at in pursuit of an answer to a legal question.”

The privacy policy listed on website for NAGR states in part that “We have put in place appropriate physical, electronic, and managerial procedures to safeguard and help prevent unauthorized access, maintain data security, and correctly use the information we collect online.”

Jeff has tried to get NAGR to correct this situation with no results. He’s gone to his local Better Business Bureau hoping that they could get NAGR to fix this situation with similar results. Out of his frustration over the situation, he is going public with it in the hopes that Dudley Brown and NAGR can get their act together. More importantly, he says that “NAGR needs to come clean on this and admit to fumbling private data, and openly implement measures to prevent it from happening again. Scrubbing my email from their lists isn’t good enough. They need to go through every email they’ve been forwarding mail to, every list they maintain, and make sure each email on that list belongs there.”

We agree.

The National Association for Gun Rights wants to be considered a major player on the gun rights front. At least that is what you are led to believe from the daily emails that they are sending out to what must be millions on their email lists. Of course, for those of us who know better, it is just spam.

An outgrowth of Dudley Brown’s Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, they have started to try and insert themselves into the gun politics of states other than Colorado. This is often in opposition to groups like the NRA and state-level gun rights organizations.

Privacy and data security is a serious issue and needs to be taken seriously. If NAGR wants to be taken seriously, they need to do something about this issue and sooner than later.

We attempted to get in touch with NAGR both through their website and through a Facebook message. As of the time we went public with this story we had only gotten return messages from the Facebook message. About 4 hours after we sent the message we received a link from them pointing to their privacy policy. No other commentary was provided. A return message was sent stating that it was they themselves that were violating their policy. We received a one word reply. “Huh?”

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The story of April 19 from the Colorado 2nd Amendment Association (excerpt):

“Of the eighty men assembled that day, ten were wounded and eight were killed, including Jonathon Harrington, dying on his own doorstep in front of his wife and children. Five of the nine sets of fathers and sons who had assembled that morning suffered a death. Most had been shot in the back. We often think of dry history or sanitized and romantic notions of chess-set battles. But this is not what gave us the nation or the rights we enjoy. It was the terror-filled suffering, the spilled blood, the death by the thousands of people exactly like us.

“These were people who set out, not to form a new nation, but simply to have their wishes and rights respected by their government and they were often shocked to find themselves behind a musket – or at the point of a bayonet. Farmers and merchants, tavern owners and printers who believed they had the right to make their own choices in life and who were willing to face imprisonment and death to secure that right.

“Two hundred and thirty-nine years has not diminished the debt we owe them. And no passage of time will absolve us from our responsibility to preserve the spark of liberty they struck that day.”

Rachel – Another DGU from Detroit leads our stories tonight. This story is from the Click on Detroit website. Detroit police say one man is dead after a shootout between a Rosedale Park homeowner and suspected home invaders.
“Family members and the homeowner were in the basement playing video games when they heard noise upstairs and footsteps inside of the home,” said Detroit Police Sgt. Michael Woody, Detroit Police.
Police said two men broke into a home, with a third waiting in a getaway car. The duo tried to escape when they were confronted by the family in the home, on the 15000 block of Glastonbury Ave.
“There were shots fired in the home before the two suspects busted through the front door,” said Sgt. Woody. “That’s when the two suspects fired shots at the homeowner from outside, the homeowner returned fire striking the driver in the car.”
The two got away but the getaway driver was fatally hit, causing the car to crash into a neighboring home and injure a 29-year-old woman.
“I heard the crash and ran downstairs immediately,”
said Raymond Bradley, father of the crash victim. “I saw the damage and saw my daughter pinned in the bathroom she just kept saying ‘don’t leave me, don’t leave me’ and I told her ‘I’m right here with you.’”
The woman was taken to Saini Grace Hospital and treated for minor injuries. She has returned home.

John – Our next story comes from KTVU Television’s website
Richmond California i Friday morning are investigating an attempted burglary that ended with a fatal exchange of gunfire leaving the intruder fatally shot, according to authorities.
Officers responded to a Shot Spotter activation in the 1300 block of Coalinga Avenue at about 1 a.m., Sgt. Nicole Abetkov said.
When officers arrived, they found the owner of the property, a multi-use structure with a plumbing business in the front and a residence in the back, suffering from gunshot wounds to the leg, Abetkov said.
The victim, a 68-year-old man, had been woken up by his wife after she heard noises outside. The man grabbed his .45 pistol and investigated the noise. He apparently surprised the burglary suspect and shot him in the chest, according to police.
While it initially appeared that the victim exchanged gunfire with the burglar, it was later determined that the suspect fled over a fence while bleeding profusely and one or two accomplices entered to property’s courtyard and shot multiple rounds at the victim.
The victim was injured after being shot several times in the leg. The victim was alert when police arrived, but his injuries were serious enough that he was air lifted to John Muir Medical Center in Walnut Creek.
Authorities said it appeared the burglar didn’t think anyone was home. The suspect was driven to the nearby hospital where he was pronounced dead.
The three people who transported the suspect in a black SUV to the Kaiser Permanente Medical Center about a mile from the site of the shooting are currently being questioned at the Richmond police station. They say they were merely passing by and being good Samaritans, but police sources said they not only knew the suspect, but were involved in the crime and at least one of them shot the property owner.
Authorities said the victim was in serious but stable condition and is expected to survive

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Facebook message from Dave

Hey paul, I know I’m a little late with this feedback, but I just heard your rant about sheepdogs. I tend to agree with you, that my job as an armed citizen is not to save the world from bad people. But the point of the essay is not that the armed people should protect everyone else. He was addressing primarily policemen and soldiers, whose job it is to protect the population, but he also defined the sheepdog as someone who has the capacity for violence, coupled with a love of the “lambs”.

The point of the essay is to warn the sheepdogs that the sheep will fear you, because at a glance you look like a wolf. But also to reassure the sheepdogs that what they are doing is good, and right, and you should not give it up simply because some people don’t understand your motivations.

A big chunk of Grossman’s work and life mission is to help soldiers and police deal with PTSD by helping them understand that they are good people, what they were doing is good, what they’ve chosen to do with their lives is good, even if they end up having to kill someone.

In addition, even though you aren’t a sheepdog to the populace in general, you definitely are a sheepdog for your family. In Paul’s case, he has taken steps to protect his family by empowering them to get training and carry weapons themselves, but I also don’t believe that he wouldn’t employ some violence if he saw that it was needed to protect his wife.

Just my two cents, keep up the good work.

-Dave in Utah

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes. They are located by our old name, Politics and guns. Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time. Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com.. Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
John: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Paul: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John: Actually I’ve had a number of posts on Everytown for Gun Safety. Perhaps the most interesting is entitled “Houses of Everytown”. It goes on to point out the many mansions of Bloomberg plus the million dollar plus home of Shannon Watts and says that it is easy to be for gun control when you live in a secure neighborhood and are protected by armed security guards 24/7.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on the the Crusader Podcast Network.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Joining two makes you a hero. Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Lax Data Security at NAGR

By John Richardson and Paul Lathrop

 

On Friday evening we were contacted by Jeff Hulsey, a retired gunsmith from the Gulf Coast region of Texas. Jeff had a problem. Starting back in August of 2013 He began receiving emails at his personal email inbox, which is through the popular Gmail domain, that it did not appear were intended for him.

The emails were from the National Association for Gun Rights, a Colorado based 501c4 organization with the stated purpose of “Educating gun owners and gun rights’ supporters in gun rights issues both at the local and federal level”.

Jeff provided an email that he had redacted the identifying information from. The information, such as email address of the sender and the sender’s telephone number as well as any other information of a personal nature provided in the body of the email seemed to be forwarded from inside the organization. At the top of the email sent to us was a one word sentence. “Rebuttal?”

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To Jeff, this looked like a simple mistake. It looked like someone had the wrong email address and was forwarding him email incorrectly. He tried to contact NAGR and got no response. He has since received about one email a month from them following the same pattern.

What concerns Jeff is the fact that even though he is trying to point out the fairly obvious error that they are making that they are leaking personal information to an unknown source. We asked Jeff if these emails were truly unsolicited. He replied, “Absolutely unsolicited. The only dealings I’ve ever had with the NAGR were to score a couple of stickers for the side of my toolbox. I’m not even a member.”

When asked if the rest of the emails looked like the email he provided to us he stated, “Yes. It’s random questions from people who visited their “Contact Us” page, then forwarded by someone within their organization for follow-up or review. Some of them contain some very specific personal information, like the USPS worker who details which facility he works at in pursuit of an answer to a legal question.”

The privacy policy listed on website for NAGR states in part that “We have put in place appropriate physical, electronic, and managerial procedures to safeguard and help prevent unauthorized access, maintain data security, and correctly use the information we collect online.”

Jeff has tried to get NAGR to correct this situation with no results. He’s gone to his local Better Business Bureau hoping that they could get NAGR to fix this situation with similar results. Out of his frustration over the situation, he is going public with it in the hopes that Dudley Brown and NAGR can get their act together. More importantly, he says that “NAGR needs to come clean on this and admit to fumbling private data, and openly implement measures to prevent it from happening again. Scrubbing my email from their lists isn’t good enough. They need to go through every email they’ve been forwarding mail to, every list they maintain, and make sure each email on that list belongs there.”

We agree.

The National Association for Gun Rights wants to be considered a major player on the gun rights front. At least that is what you are led to believe from the daily emails that they are sending out to what must be millions on their email lists. Of course, for those of us who know better, it is just spam.

An outgrowth of Dudley Brown’s Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, they have started to try and insert themselves into the gun politics of states other than Colorado. This is often in opposition to groups like the NRA and state-level gun rights organizations.

Privacy and data security is a serious issue and needs to be taken seriously. If NAGR wants to be taken seriously, they need to do something about this issue and sooner than later.

We attempted to get in touch with NAGR both through their website and through a Facebook message. As of the time we went public with this story we had only gotten return messages from the Facebook message. About 4 hours after we sent the message we received a link from them pointing to their privacy policy. No other commentary was provided. A return message was sent stating that it was they themselves that were violating their policy. We received a one word reply. “Huh?”

 

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Personal news from each participant
Rob- Magazines. One jam and done. This one lasted about 1500 rounds and has been dropped many many times.
Tried to order ammunition online after the vendor announced a sale. I forgot my login information. Couldn’t reset. by the time the company got back to me, the ammunition was out of stock. Went to Walmart.

Rachel: My Texas Firearms Freedom news – our activists have filled up a table at a fundraiser dinner for a State Rep candidate here in Texas who strongly supports gun rights, including Constitutional Carry (TJ Fabby). That’s Tuesday, April 22, if any fellow Texans want to come, too. I’ve packed my shoot box and am ready for nearly 60 shooters for Friday’s “Ïntroduction to Appleseed” event.

John – I spent the weekend at the Mother Earth News Expo in Asheville. I wasn’t sure what to expect but I had a good time and saw a number of gun rights supporters based upon their T-shirts. I also attended a few presentations on essential life skills like making sausage and cutting up a sheep and a hog.

Paul: I am taking a new position at my company. I am going to start running regional. That means that I will only be on about ½ of the Wednesday recording sessions and starting April 26th EVERY Saturday broadcast will be live from ABN Army Surplus! This is a huge move for me. It means home time on a more regular basis and while my income might theoretically drop a small amount over time it will be far more stable.

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Rachel-36 citizens were shot in Chicago over the weekend, or about one an hour. Four of the shootings were fatal. None of them were by licensed concealed carry holders. Chicago Police Department spokesman Adam Collins blamed others by saying “..we continue to be challenged by lax state and federal gun laws.” It looks like the Chicago model of destroying jobs and disarming citizens is hazardous to your health.

Rob- As many as one million New York residents broke the law yesterday. That was the deadline to register their rifles under the New York SAFE Act. It looks like most citizens decided to practice civil disobedience rather than submit to arbitrary laws. This is a serious decision. Connecticut and New Jersey take note.

John- Barry Elliot of the youtube channel Iraqveteran died of a heart attack this weekend. Barry posted a lot of videos about guns, shooting and firearms history. He offered his insights and experience to new shooters and experts alike, from odd firearms to the outstanding. Barry hosted more than 80 episodes.

Paul -Elections have consequences, and so do votes in Tennessee. Pressure from Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam killed a bill to allow open carry of a handgun without a permit. The legislation had already passed the state senate, but Haslam had the bill killed in house committee. Remember this vote when a political party asks you for money or campaign help. These days I only donate to individual candidates or campaigns.

Rachel- The US department of justice criticized the Albuquerque police department for a pattern of excessive use of force in a practice that routinely violated people’s constitutional rights. The Albuquerque department killed 23 and wounded 14 others over 37 events in the last four years. The DOJ report said officers were not officially reprimanded after officers violently restrained, kicked or punched non-threatening individuals. Quoting the New York Times, “Many of the victims suffered from mental illnesses, and some were disabled, elderly or drunk.” The report suggested 44 remedies, but did not suggest a federal monitor of the department.

Paul- We’ve pointed out many times that concealed carry holders are more law abiding and less likely to injure the innocent than are police. I’d like the police to improve their record.

Rob- One Utah Sheriff is being proactive. Weber county sheriff Terry Thompson said he is still shaken by the murders at Sandy Hook and wants to train school staff to make sure Utah schools are prepared. Utah is one of a handful of states that allow loaded firearms on school property with a concealed carry permit — as long as the firearm remains on the employee’s person and not in their desk, purse or jacket. Sheriff Thompson said, “Our interest is to make sure our academic environments are able to protect our kids. The program actually began after teachers asked us what they can do to be prepared. A lot of parents were also coming forward to their children’s teachers asking ‘What are you going to do to protect my child?’.”

Besides granting a concealed carry permit, the classes teach Weber county educators what law enforcement’s response will be and how to best work with police, while keeping their students out of harm’s way. Some instructors took the class simply to know how police respond to an emergency. One employee said “In the end, we’re responsible for the kids we teach. In fact we always refer to them as ‘our kids.’ Nothing is more important to us than ensuring their safety.”

Utah PTA President Liz Zentner said the option to carry a firearm should be up to the school district and the individual. The next classes are scheduled for late June or early July after school closes for the year.

John- Anthony, one of our listeners sent in an email telling us about this next story. -On a different planet than Utah, former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg plans to spend $50 million campaigning against the National Rifle Association. Bloomberg is spending the cash to create a new grassroots network with members around the nation who support gun registration and confiscation. He’s calling it Everytown for Gun Safety.

Bloomberg’s initial advertisement is aimed at scaring women away from owning firearms and scaring women away from those who support a woman’s right to choose armed self-defense.

Larry Pratt, director of Gun Owners of America, said he’s not feeling the threat, however. “Bloomberg’s got the money to waste, so I guess he’s free to waste it. But frankly, I think he’s going to find out why his side keeps losing.”

Isnt’ that a contradiction for a billionaire to spend millions on a “grass roots” movement? The NRA has 5 million members who pay a few bucks a year.

Rob- Rachel, have people told you that self-defense isn’t appropriate for women?

Rachel- :mini-rant: 🙂 (more please) (remember you asked for it…..) (yep, I asked.)

Rob- Bloomberg’s group wanted to confiscate guns from any household where there was a report of domestic violence. That disarms every victim of domestic violence. I hear Laura Carno saying “Don’t you dare tell me how to defend myself!”

John – I know this might not be polite to say on the Polite Society Podcast but anti-gun politicians are like cockroaches: They hate to have the light shined on their actions. Illinois State Sen. Dan Kotowski who was the Exec Director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence prior to his being elected to the Illinois State Senate in 2007 says his town hall meeting tomorrow in Roselle is not about gun control. He is accusing the Illinois State Rifle Association of lying about it in an alert to their members. He has called their alert, “reckless, irresponsible, and dangerous.” Richard Pearson of ISRA responds that he wants the gun controllers to realize that we are out there and watching their actions. Kotowski tried to get a new Illinois assault weapons ban (sic) plus a mag ban passed last year and narrowly failed thanks to the opposition of the NRA, ISRA, and other gun rights organizations.

John- Here is a quote from a college professor and fellow North Carolinian. “The gun control extremist has at least two things in common with the Islamic extremist. He has a willingness to die for his fundamental beliefs. And he has the sanctimony to demand that others go with him.” – Dr. Mike Adams who teaches Criminology at UNC-Wilmington.

Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Kyle Coplin of the Armed Citizen Project.
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Rob- John and Rachel, do you remember Kyle when we were in Houston?

Rob- While making a delivery, a pizza delivery man was attacked by four people in Buffalo, New York. They hit him on the head and body. At least one of the assailants was masked and used a hammer to beat the driver. This delivery driver has a licence to carry concealed. He was, and used his pistol to defend himself. He shot the masked man, one 18 year old DeJuan Coleman, who is now in police custody and listed in fair condition.

John – In keeping with Paul’s dictum that nothing good happens after midnight, a Flint MI homeowner shot and killed a 17 year old home invader sometime after midnight on Monday morning after the homeowner heard the sounds of his house being broken into. The 17 year old’s body was found about a block away. His 3 accomplices are now in jail awaiting arraignment on home invasion charges. This makes the third home invasion in Flint for the month of April in which the homeowner had to respond with lethal force to a home invasion. Unlike the criminals, no homeowner was injured in these home invasions.

Rachel- Last Monday, 41-year-old Robert Trevino decided to go jewelry shopping at Harpers Jewelry Store in Elgin, Texas, just a few miles east of Austin – except, he apparently had decided he didn’t want to pay for his jewelry. He approached the owner, Juan Torres, with a hammer in his hand. Torres responded with some well-placed shots from his 12-gauge shotgun – and then, with the main burglar dead, turned his attention to the accomplices in the parking lot. When he finished, two were wounded (and later taken into custody), and several others had simply fled the scene. It turns out that Trevino’s criminal record includes a burglary at this same store a couple of weeks ago. Guess this one didn’t turn out so well for him.

Paul-We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend. We’ll be right back after this Tips-and-Tricks segment with Kenn Blanchard.

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Paul- Anthony sent us this email
Funny. When I read the article, I didn’t see “gun violence” stated, but rather “gang violence.”
Huh. I must have missed something.
Love the show. Keep it up.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-79917002/
(“In his first visit to Chicago since becoming director of the FBI, James Comey said today he is “painfully aware” of the city’s seemingly intractable gun violence and plans to direct more federal resources at the problem.
Comey, who was in town meeting with staffers in his Chicago field office, told reporters in a brief news conference at the FBI’s headquarters on the West Side that new congressional funding will allow for 2,000 new hires nationally over the next year and a half.”)
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John – This email comes from Jake:

I know this would be the third week you’ve addressed this topic, but I recently read this interesting article and thought I’d pass it along.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26921743
This study claims that violence related to video gaming is correlated with how frustrating the video game is, and not how violent it is. Games modified to have counter-intuitive controls or where the player was not given a tutorial on how to play were the ones that produced violent behavior, whereas there was no difference between the group that played the violent version and the one that played the neutered, non-violent one.
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Rachel- This email comes from Ken
Paul,

My Mom taught us to never point our toy guns at anyone. We only pointed our guns at make-believe bad guys. Never at our friends. It was true that the Shootin’ Shell snubbies could put your eye out, so it was a valuable lesson.

50 years between my gun acquisitions, I still hear that admonition ringing in my head. Lessons learned young do indeed stay with us. Thanks, Mom.

Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

PS Here are the 2 guns I reference. Shootin’ Shell 38 by Mattel. LCP .380 by Ruger. 50 years since my last gun!

Rob- Finally a comment off of our website from Fred:
Listen to you guys all the time. You ask for state firearm organizations well I am in Nebraska and we have The Nebraska Firearms Owners Association. (NFOA). Hard to believe Toby never mentioned it when he was there. Love the pod cast.

Thanks
Fred

I’d like to wish Paul good luck on his new political endeavor. Way to set the example for us and get involved. I think Rachel is getting through to you guys.
Keep representing gun owners in a positive light.

Rachel: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes. They are located by our old name, Politics and guns. Hot links are in our show notes.

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time. Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com.. Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on the the Crusader Podcast Network.
Also please listen to The Modern Self Protection Podcast, Ben Branham isn’t on our network, but he will be a guest on our show we record on the 26th of this month.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Joining two makes you a hero. Supporting all four makes you a super hero. (Do we get a cape?) 🙂

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, ,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rachel: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 228 – Scott Wilson

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Seg 1 Personal news from each participant Rob- Took friends and shot an IDPA match and took two friends along who’d never shot a match before. They had a great time, though I had to loan them one of my guns. (I want to remind our listeners that THIS is why you should belong to one of the gun advocacy organizations like the NRA.. so we’ll loan you guns and ammo.) lean to the right

I also went to the Ares Armor demonstration and carried a sign saying “ATF Stop Lying to US”. More from that in the news section.

I received a list of suggested podcasts from our listeners. Thank you. I also asked for feedback on how we should grow the gun culture, but no one replied yet. Please send me your suggestions.

Paul- In a very close race, I was elected as the Republican district chairman. The competition was intense (it turns out that I was unopposed). Please remember that you can watch us live every Wednesday and Saturday evening at 7:30 pm central time on Google plus and YouTube.

Rachel- Not much news on the politics-and-guns front; I’ve just been catching up a little on sleeping and eating while I plan for upcoming events. I spent today performing with 30+ middle school orchestra students as part of my musician day job. Good to keep balance in life.

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Rob- Ares Armor of Carlsbad, California was raided by the ATF last month. ATF sells gun parts and incomplete AR lowers. The ATF seized customer lists and product during the raid. Today, 150 protesters marched and waved signs in front of the Carlsbad ATF office in support of Ares.
Paul- Rob, why was the crowd there protesting?
Rob- Let’s let Dimitrios Karras, Executive Officer of Ares Armor explain it himself-
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Rachel -April 15th is the deadline to register your firearms the New York state calls Assault Weapons.  The response has been.. well. lets call it slow. Unofficial reports put compliance at 10%   Dear Governor Cuomo, this Sensible Gun Registration does not mean what you think it means.

Paul -Robert Bray, director of the Federal Air Marshal Service, is resigning after trying to acquire guns for officials’ personal use.  Bray used the Air Marshal Service and the Federal Firearms License to buy discount or free firearms.  He then gave the firearms to senior agency staff for their personal use.  I think Bray expected he could cover up the run-running because after the ATF raided his home, Bray told the local sheriff’s office and reported the guns had been stolen.

Rob -Sometimes law enforcement makes a mistake.  Los Angeles County Sheriff deputies were called to a violent domestic incident an apartment complex.  Fortunately, two of the victims escaped the apartment.  Unfortunately they were shot by LA deputies.  Fortunately, one of them lived.  Unfortunately, the deputies shot and killed one of the victims, 30 year old John Winkler.  He was a production assistant on a cable network comedy show.

Police are five times more likely than an armed civilian to shoot the wrong person. Personally, I hate it when the police shoot the hostages.

Rachel- Some other Los Angeles law enforcement officers are having other problems too.  They are breaking off the antenna that transmits their conversation in the police cars.  Don’t do as I do.. and don’t do as I say either.  A california city recently released statistics showing that police use of force drops by 60 percent when the police wore recording devices.  Contrary to media reports, armed citizens are not violent vigilantes trying to be police officers.

Paul – Some departments are smarter than that.  The Muscogee County, Georgia Marshal’s Office offers a Civilian Firearms Training class in May. The class covers the safe, legal, and responsible handling of firearms.  The course costs only $42.00, and that is a bargain.  While Georgia does not require training for a concealed carry license, I think training is essential.

Rob- From the irony file.. The recent Ft. Hood killer posted  gun control rants on his facebook wall.  I quote “It is stupid to me that anyone can have easy access to a powerful weapon without being mentally evaluated. This makes the government indirect accomplice… These bastards (doing the shooting) have perfected their way of attacking (by) studying previous massacres to gain publicity and their minute of fame as a villain. But…the media give power to those.. cowards.”

Paul- Gun Quotes from the 1700s ”False is the idea that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature … laws not preventive but fearful of crimes.” Cesare Beccaria

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Scott Wilson of Connecticut Citizens Defense League.  They put 5 thousand people on the capitol grounds!

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Rob- An Antioch, California jewelry store owner shot and killed an armed robber Friday afternoon.   Two to three robbers entered the jewelry store and drew a weapon on the store owner and his staff.  The store owner drew his own weapon and shot at the robbers.  The robbers fled.  The waiting getaway car drove off and one of the robbers fled into a nearby neighborhood.  Another robber collapsed on the sidewalk and was pronounced dead at the scene.  Police said a woman was also shot during the attempted robbery.  She was taken to a local hospital with non-life threatening wounds.

Paul- An intruder broke into a West Virginia home Thursday morning at 2am.  The homeowner lives off Route 10 in Cabel County, and shot the intruder with a shotgun.  26-year old Ray Davis fled the scene and was arrested at the local hospital.  Police said the homeowner is not facing charges at this time.  Neighbors reported that the area has been free of crime for at least the last ten years.

Rachel- An East Texas homeowner had an unfriendly visit from 40-year-old Michael Todd Brown. Brown was instructed to leave. He did – only to return a few hours later with a 9mm handgun. Reportedly, Brown began firing randomly upon arrival at the house. An argument with the homeowner ensued, and the homeowner ultimately shot and killed Brown. It’s believed that Brown was high on meth.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob- Scott Gibbons forwarded a message from the Texas State Rifle Association.  The message covered the meeting on Monday where citizens testified about open carry in Texas.  Our own Rachel Malone (applause) attended and spoke at the meeting. The TSRA mentioned that two Texas Senators spoke against open carry- Democrat Chuy Hinojosa from McAllen said he wasn’t “comfortable” with the idea of seeing folks carrying handguns.  Democrat Jose Rodriguez from El Paso said open carry sends a message of violence to youth who sit in front of video games all day.

Thank you, Scott!  Link to Texas Senate testimony

Paul- 1st email from Greg from Bremmerton

FYI, be careful not to buy truckstop junk!! I got mine from, VideoDashCam.com All his units are trucker tested.
As far as podcasts I listen to,
Brass Call, Trucker Dump, NewYorkCityGuns, Armchair Survivalist, TSP, God&Guns, PrepperRecon, RadioFreeRedoubt. I’ll do more in a later Email.
Keep up the great work.
Greg, Bremerton

Second email from Greg from Bremmerton
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/92-year-old-ww2-vet-and-armed-wife-chase-off-armed-robber-i-was-gonna-work-him-over-real-good/#
Greg, Bremerton

Rachel- Email from Chris
Thanks for a great podcast. On episode 227 a listener raised the question of toy guns and safety. The best statement I have ever heard on the subject come from Jack Spirko of the Survival Podcast. He describes how the patient protectionist anti-gunners have slowly worked towards stripping the interest from children.

If you’re interested in it check out the Survival Podcast: episode 1150 at the 1:18 mark.
-Chris

Rob- Email from Ian –
Hey guys, a note on video games… What often seems to be forgotten are two things. First, the average age of a gamer is 34 years old. Second, video games have an age rating system just like movies. The conclusion to draw is simple – video games for adults are for adults. If children are playing them, we have a parental problem.

My kid doesn’t watch violent movies, my kid doesn’t play video games rated mature. I however as an adult do both. A lot. I have been since I was a teenager and like the millions upon millions of gun owners and video game players, I have yet to commit an act of violence outside of our self defense.

Even then, do you think those gamers who have had to defend themselves with a gun didn’t throw up afterwards?

This has all happened before and will happen again, books in the early 20th century, Elvis and Rock and Roll in the 50’s, movies in the 70’s and 80’s and now video games.

It’s such a moot point. It’s looking for reasons and confusing correlation and causation to find them.

Video games now outsell movies. The statistical chances of someone that plays video games is high, hence the chances of someone doing something insane having played video games is high. But of course so are the chances that person drinks Coca-Cola.

Owning guns doesn’t make you violent. Watching violent movies, reading violent books doesn’t make you violent. Being trained by the U.S military to be violent in combat doesn’t make you violent back in society.
Just musings…
Thanks again for the show guys!
Ian Wright

Can we get Ben Branam?

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes. as podcast box.  (?)  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next classes are April 12th and 13th in Richmond Virginia. April 12th is women only and April 13th is Co-ed. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?

Rob: I have one up called “The Power of gun envy in California”.  It is up at Clash Daily, on my slowfacts blog, and it will go up at Ammoland.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Here is a shoutout to slamfire radio, but the polite society podcast has more facebook likes than they do.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,  Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rachel: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 227 – News, DGU’s and Email Feedback

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob, I’d like to go first.  I’ll be at the NRA convention.  Thank you to the listeners who contacted me by e-mail and I look forward to meeting you.  I’d like to ask our listeners a few questions and draw on their wisdom.  What are your favorite firearms podcasts?  What do you think we should do to promote the right of self-defense in our culture?  I’m looking for big and small answers meaning what should you and I do, and what should large organizations do?

Rachel- I enjoyed helping out at the Appleseed booth at the Mesquite Self-Reliance Expo last Saturday. I also had a very gratifying past few days seeing activists show up at the Capitol in support of the second Amendment.  More on that in the news segment…

John – About all that I have to report is that my new IWB holster arrived and I’m breaking it in so I can take with me to the NRA Annual Meeting. I’ll be attending the Mother Earth News Expo in Asheville this weekend to help

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John – The CCDL gun rights rally in Hartford, Connecticut had a really good turnout. While some media outlets are saying 3,000 attended, reports from those who were on the ground say it was actually between 4-5,000 gun owners who attended. David Codrea was the keynote speaker. He said it was his choice to not obey these illegal edicts. From the pictures, I saw supporters from many other states. Of course the Hartford Courant thinks this law should be a model for the nation and Gov. Dannel Malloy thinks the NRA should be pushing Obamacare.

Rob- Ares (AIR -ECE) Armor was raided by ATF agents last month after Ares secured a judge’s restraining order against the feds.  Ares scheduled a protest at the local ATF office in Carlsbad, California next Saturday, April 12th from 2 to 5 pm.  You can go to the Ares Armor website, their facebook page, or our show notes for a link.  I’ll be there this Saturday.  If you listen to the podcast, please say Hi.

John – Brian Frayne teaches concealed carry classes with Cardinal Training in Mendota, Illinois. While he could teach the classroom part there, his students would have to travel to Rockford for a shooting range. So he came up with an idea, build one of his own. And that’s just what he did. So far Brian’s helped 60 people practice shooting here at his new outdoor facility. “One of the local contractors in the Paw Paw area, they trucked in dirt and built our berms for us. And then we had the NRA come in and give us their blessing so we could insure the place,” says Brian. He says the endeavor is more of a hobby than a money maker. “Between your insurance, your liability insurance, your corporation insurance, the whole nine yards, all these (expenses) add up,” he says. But overall, business has been good for Brian, keeping him, and his range, busy…

http://www.wrex.com/story/25176284/2014/04/06/firearms-instructor-builds-range-to-meet-demand-of-concealed-carry-applicants

Rachel- We commented on the falling crime rate in Chicago, but it might be an illusion created by false reporting.  A 12-month examination of the Chicago Police Department’s crime statistics going back several years identified 10 people who were beaten, burned, suffocated, or shot to death in 2013 and whose cases were downgraded to more minor crimes, or even closed as non criminal incidents for illogical or, at best, unclear reasons.  Many police officers interviewed during the examination recounted instances in which they were told to reclassify their reports. One detective refers to police management having “magic ink” which means the power to make a case disappear.

Rob- It is a corrupt system when the police ignore crime to hide the politician’s failings.

John- Attorney General Eric Holder said on Friday that gun tracking technology is something the Justice Department (DOJ) wants to “explore” as part of its gun control efforts. Holder told a House appropriations subcommittee that his agency is looking into technological innovations. “Vice President Biden and I had a meeting with a group of technology people and we talked about how guns can be made more safe by making them either through fingerprint identification, the gun talks to a bracelet or something that you might wear, how guns can be used only by the person who is lawfully in possession of the weapon.” The Justice Department has requested $382.1 million in increased spending for its fiscal year 2014 budget for “gun safety.”

Rob- Have you noticed that these regulation always apply to civilians, but not to Attorney General Eric Holder’s Department of Justice.  He could force this on this DOJ tomorrow.  Holder is saying Smart guns for thee, but not for me.

Rachel- This from an op-ed in the Columbus Dispatch.  The gun-culture of Ohio changed dramatically.  Tuesday marked the 10-year anniversary of licensed concealed carry in Ohio.   5 percent of adult Ohioans now have their carry license.  Over those ten years, the General Assembly stopped debating if citizens could carry, and debated when and where citizens should carry.  In Ohio, as in other states, licensed civilians are exemplary.

Rob- Also for our Ohio listeners, the Buckeye Firearms Association released a list of endorsed candidates for the primary election.  The polls are open for early voting, so do your reading first.

John- Speaking of candidates.. democrat Mike Dickinson is running for Congress in against Eric Cantor in Virginia’s 7th Congressional District.  Dickenson tweeted some hateful comments about the NRA and NRA members.

-the NRA is a god awful fear mongering group and those who support the NRA are pure trash

-If you are a member or supporter of the @NRA I don’t want your support. Joining the @NRA is like joining the crybaby association

-Members of the @NRA have very low IQs. They have a trigger finger mentality.

-NRA members are “descendants of the KKK.”

There are several things I don’t like Eric Cantor, but I can’t find much to like about Mike Dickinson.

Rob- There is some good self-defense news from Tennessee today.  First, the Tennessee Senate voted for unlicensed open carry. (unlike texas)  This is critically important to protect honest firearms owners if they don’t have a concealed carry permit.  A common problem is if a homeowner defends himself with a firearm in his home, and then steps outside his home to meet the police.  There you are open carrying in public.

Rachel- Better news is that Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam signed Senate Bill 1771 into law.  This repealed the ban on automatic knives and possession of knives over four inches in length “with intent to go armed.”   The previous law was vague and often abused by prosecutors.  After the first of July there are no longer any illegal knives in Tennessee.  Last year Tennessee passed a law preempting cities from passing their own knife laws.

Rob- California State Sen Leland Yee pleaded not guilty today on federal charges that could send the Senator to jail.  Keith Jackson, a former Yee consultant and one of 29 other defendants, also pleaded not guilty at a joint arraignment.  Government agents posed as medical marijuana businessmen, a technology vendor and a man seeking a proclamation honoring a Chinatown group.  The agents paid Democrat Senator Yee for his help.

John- My history professor said people are the true constant in human history.  For that reason it is welcome news, but no surprise, that more guns continue to save lives and reduce crime.  Economist Mark Gius has a new study in the journal Applied Economics Letters that weighs in on guns and crime.  Gius documented that shall issue carry laws predict lower rates of homicide involving firearms. Gius also found that state-level assault weapons bans have no statistically significant effect on the homicide rate involving guns.

Rachel- Many of us are envious of the gun-friendly laws Arizona residents get to enjoy. But they’re not content to sit back and enjoy it – they’re still standing up for full firearms freedom. Currently, HB 2339 is making its way through the legislature. It would ensure that a Public (state and local government) establishment or event cannot ban CCW permit holders from carrying unless methods (metal detectors, security personnel, etc.) are used to determine if anyone entering is armed. You can track the bill at the Arizona Citizens Defense League site.

Rachel- The Texas state legislature is not currently in session; however, there was an Senate committee interim hearing to discuss removing barriers to the 2nd Amendment. This is quite unusual, and is a direct result of activists conducting open carry marches, petitioning legislators, and making their voice heard in other ways. Although there’s not a bill under consideration, this gives the Senate an idea of how many people might actually show up for the real deal next year. We rocked it – final count was around 50 of us, 5 of them testifying.. I’m so proud of all the activists who showed up – everyday citizens who stuck it out all day without breaks, and got up and spoke their mind. View the hearing here (start at 3:50:40). My testimony is here.

Rachel- A letter written by a soldier at Ft. Hood has hit the internet. It contains his powerful testimony of the horrible atrocity of gun-free zones. 1st Lt. Patrick Cook was in a room the gunman tried to enter; another soldier blocked the door and continued to hold it shut even after being hit fatally with a .45-caliber pistol as the gunman shot through the door. Cook writes, “Nearly a week later, I can still taste his blood in my mouth from when I and my comrades breathed into his lungs for 20 long minutes while we waited for a response from the authorities. This Soldier’s name was Sergeant First Class Daniel Ferguson, and his sacrifice loaned me the rest of my life to tell this story.”

Rob- Gun Quotes

“To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow.” Author- Jeff Snyder

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John – This is not your typical DGU. On Monday, Daniel Yealu (YAY LOO) walked into the LAPD’s Wilshire Station and West Traffic Division and opened fire on the police officers sitting behind the front desk. Yealu was reportedly angry that he had been turned down for the LAPD Police Academy. Both police officers immediately returned fire and the shooting was stopped. One of the officers was wounded in the gunfight and is in stable condition with wounds to his shoulder and side. Yealu is in the hospital in critical condition.  Contrast this with the recent Ft. Hood shooting which left 3 dead (the shooter doesn’t count) and 14 wounded. The LA shooting was stopped quickly and decisively without more officers being injured. Why? Because there were armed individuals who were able to protect themselves and their fellow officers as well as a number of non-LEOs who were attending a neighborhood council meeting in the station at the time.

Rachel- Another Detroit homeowner defended his home against robbers this morning.  Two 19 year olds smashed a window and broke into the Asbury Park home before 6AM.  The 47 year old homeowner shot the male who died at the hospital  The 19 year old female was also shot and is listed in critical condition.  Police Detroit police Seargent Michael Woody commented “I know this is a hot button topic and Detroit Police Chief Craig has addressed this issue  many times. We fully support our good Detroiters, good Americans, that are legally in possession of weapons defending their homes.  We will support our citizens in that matter. This seems to be another one of those incidents.”

Rob- Let’s contrast this with John Barbieri, the new Police Commissioner in Springfield Massachusetts.  Barbieri said, “Studies show it’s better to be a good witness than to provide an armed resistance. Unless there is convincing data otherwise, I will continue giving conceal permits based on need.”

I bet Detroit will have better success than Springfield in stopping violent crime.

John- So will the citizens of Winter Haven Florida.  The gun culture is more than an angry dad.  A man breaking into a Winter Haven home woke the entire family as he forced his way through the porch door.  By the time Michell Large forced his way to the kitchen, the mother, father and son were armed.  The first shot missed, and Large continued entering the home.  At least two more shots were fired and the intruder was killed.  The family said they did not know the intruder.  Police Chief Gary Hester said, “It’s not a very far reach to assume that if someone’s forcing their way into your residence early in the morning, they’re not there to wish you well.”

Rachel- A masked suspect entered a Lafayette, Louisiana convenience store at about 8pm armed with a revolver.  The robber demanded money, and fired one shot at the store clerk.  The store clerk  returned fire.  The suspect fled the store without any money and the store clerk was not injured in the robbery.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rachel- Email from William

Paul and crew, really enjoyed the recent podcast with the philosophical discussion on violence and video gaming.  The talk about statistics reminding me of an old story.

 

The president was working on a very hard problem and noticed his economics advisor walking in the hall. He called him in and said, “I have a very hard problem and I need some help. Can you tell me what 1 plus 1 is?”

 

The economics advisor, after thinking about it for a while replied, “I think the answer is 2 Mr. President.”

The president thanked him and got his secretary on the phone and requested his science advisor to come to his office. When the science advisor arrived he explained the problem and the scientist sat down with pencil, paper and slide rule :(I said this was an oldie!)

The science advisor finally said, “After working through the latest related Eigen function the probability density indicates that the answer is probably very close to 2.

The president thanked him and hollered to his secretary to get his chief statistician in there at once.

Upon his arrival the president said, “I’m trying to figure this out and have already got some answers but I’m just not sure. Since you deal with numbers all the time, can you tell me what 1 plus 1 is?”

The statistician got a worried look, ushered the secret service agent out of the room locking the door to the oval office, pulled all the shades and whispered in the presidents ear, “Well Mr. President, what would you like it to be?”

===

I do have a question concerning toy guns I’d like to hear your opinions on.  I’ve heard many say that they make their kids follow the 4 gun safety rules when playing with toy guns. I can’t say I disagree but thinking back, that sure would have made playing cowboys and Indians or cops and robbers very dull. I have no idea how many times I shot, and was shot by my friends.

 While I don’t remember my parents sitting me down and explaining the difference between make believe and toys, or reality and real guns. It just seems I and my friends knew the difference with regard to guns and most other things. A toy gun, blast away, even a BB gun, don’t do it. I’m not so sure that is the case now.

But then all of us had parents who actually paid attention to us. maybe that made the difference, kind of like the problem with parenting now and violence, which you all seemed to be talking about in that episode.

Times have changed and I can definitely see both sides to this. Do you think in these times kids should be allowed to enjoy play with toy guns or should the safety rules be strictly adhered to even with toys. I must keep in mind that when we do force on force with air soft guns we are certainly breaking some rules.

Opinions?

 John- Email from Scott

I’m a tanker truck driver who is very passionate about the Second Amendment my wife and I enjoy shooting all the time my wife and I are with the group in Texas called open carry Texas. It’s just like the group Rachel is in . Could you please add open carry Texas to your group of gun associations.

 Rob- Email from Daniel

Violent games/media probably does desensitize kids to violence, even if it is just a little bit of desensitization.

Being desensitized to violence isn’t the end of the world.  In fact that desensitization is irrelevant because in 99% of the population it will never manifest itself, that 99% will never act on it.

In the 1% of the population that will commit violent acts (regardless if they were or were not exposed to violent media), the fact they were exposed to violent media only aids in their desensitization to violence, making them more able to act out hyper violent acts.

So in conclusion, I think watching violent media does not make you MORE likely to commit violent acts, but those that would normally commit violent acts and were exposed to violent media, are desensitized enough to be able to carry out ultra violent acts rather than marginally violent acts.

I think a bigger factor is drugs.  Weather illegal drugs, or prescribed drugs for kids with “adhd” or “hyper active disorder” etc , play a bigger role in making people fly off the deep end and go ballistic.

Maybe bigger than that is isolation, lack of role models/ parents/ discipline.

Thanks yall love the show and LOVE the fact that yall have intelligent, civil conversations on topics you all don’t agree eye to eye with.

You can use my name if you want.

Daniel Carmona

Philadelphia, Pa

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next classes are April 12th and 13th in Richmond Virginia. April 12th is women only and April 13th is Co-ed. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Johnl: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,  Texas Firearms Freedom, Open Carry Texas, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rachel: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the weekend show…

John: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 226 – Roadgunner Podcast

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, April fifth, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and tonight we have an interview with The Un-Named Trucker of the Roadgunner Podcast
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have news, DGUs, and listeners sent in some e-mails for us to talk over, so climb aboard.
John: strap in.
Paul: and hang on! Episode 226 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now. Show intro music.

Seg 1 Personal news from each participant Rob- John and I were going to run this show by ourselves, but Paul made it home. Excuse me while I tell the dancing girls they can’t be on the shoot this time. I dry practiced during the week because I knew I’d shoot a steel competition today. I also helped a couple shop for a new gun. She has small hands. His are large. She wants to concealed carry. He wants to compete. Somebody not gonna be happy. I also received one e-mail from a listener to meet at the NRA convention, and one e-mail asking if I’d speak at a local gun group.

John – After 3 months, I got rid of the boot cast on my broken ankle and have switched to a brace. It looks like I’ll be able to go to the range again! I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemies even if they were gun prohibitionists.

Rob- John, you are a generous man.

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John – In sad news, Otis McDonald, Second Amendment champion and lead plaintiff in the case that bears his name, McDonald v. Chicago, died Friday after a long fight against cancer. He was 79. Mr. McDonald is survived by his wife Laura and their children; Chandra, Sheila, Jessie Marie and Dorsey, and several grandchildren. He was preceded in death by his son Kelvin.

Richard Pearson of the Illinois State Rifle Association may have said it best when he wrote, “I have always considered Otis as one of those people who lived everyday bravely and was not a hero because of one event but was a hero every day of his life.” Godspeed Mr. McDonald and may your soul rest in peace.

Rob- James Kaleda raised over $7500 dollars, but less than half the hoped for amount to fund his legal defense against New Jersey State Police.  Some of you asked to meet me at the NRA convention.  I’m going to ask you if you donated, so you might want to reconsider.  In short, I’m disappointed.

Paul -Chicago’s murder rate for the first three months of 2014 was the lowest since 1958. Six fewer people were murdered than in the same time frame in 2013 – a 9 percent drop – and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to Chicago Police. There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, over a 25 percent reduction.  Is it coincidence that concealed carry has come to Chicago?

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fchicago_news&id=9487263

Rob -Last week California Democrat Senator Leland Yee was charged.  This week Senator Yee and 26 others were indicted by a federal grand jury.  They will be arraigned on Tuesday of next week.  Yee is charged with six counts of scheming to defraud citizens by allegedly soliciting and taking campaign contributions in exchange for political favors.  Yee continues to receive his full salary from the California Senate.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/yee-formally-indicted-federal-corruption-charges/nfR6S/

John-TEXAS- The Texas Senate scheduled a surprise hearing on open carry.  This is short notice, as in THIS MONDAY MORNING, April 7th at 8:30 AM.  This is your chance to be heard, so be there is you live in the Austin Area.  More information is available at Texas Firearms Freedom.  http://www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com/

Paul-Also in Texas and short notice, gun advocacy group Open Carry Texas will hold a rally at a San Antonio Police substation Sunday at 1pm following what the organization says was an illegal arrest last weekend of one of its members.

Henry Vichique, 19 [sic], was taken into custody for violating the city ordinance that says, in part, that it is illegal “to carry a loaded rifle or shotgun on any public street.” Open Carry Texas believes the ordinance violates state law. The officer said he was going to follow him home to make sure he got there safely and that Vichique was not under arrest. But when Vichique acknowledged his weapon was loaded, a sergeant told the officers over the radio that a crime was committed, according to a police report. Officers then told Vichique they were going to grab his gun, which he said they couldn’t do. Vichique “made it clear he was not going to hand it over” and was subsequently stunned with a Taser, the police report states. He had five live rounds in the rifle, police noted.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Man-s-arrest-during-armed-stroll-prompts-gun-rally-5368425.php

Rob- Rachel, you get busy and Texas goes all to hell.  Why aren’t you here to read this?

Rob- Ares (AIR -ECE) Armor was raided by ATF agents last month after Ares secured a judge’s restraining order against the feds.  Ares scheduled a protest at the local ATF office in Carlsbad, California next Saturday, April 12th from 2 to 5 pm.  You can go to the Ares Armor website, their facebook page, or our show notes for a link.  I’ll be there.  If you listen to the podcast, please say Hi.

John- Here are two gun quotes written over 500 years old from Niccolo Machiavelli.

“There never was a new prince who has disarmed his subjects.  Rather, when he has found them disarmed, the prince has always armed them, because, by arming them, those arms become (his).

“When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred.”

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Segment 4 DGUs

John – The first DGU from a Chicago resident with an Illinois concealed carry permit happened early this morning. Two men dressed in hoodies accosted a man as he was walking from his garage to the door of his home around 2:40am. One of them pulled a firearm and the homeowner pulled his own firearm and fired several shots. It doesn’t appear that either of the criminals were injured but more importantly neither was the homeowner. After the shooting, police responded and determined that the man was shooting in self-defense. The man had a valid firearm owner’s identification card, a valid concealed carry permit and police were able to determine that he had completed a required concealed carry class and was properly trained, CPD News Affair Officer Michael Sullivan said.

The man is not facing charges as police search for the two males, described as a tall male and a short male. Those two face charges.

Paul-A resident who lives just south of Slone lake area of Denver Colorado shot and killed a man wednesday.  The homeowner said he shot when the man lunged at him after discovering the intruder taking things from his home.  The intruder was identified as Dwayne Kelly, age 52.  Kelly has a lengthy criminal history including burglary, domestic violence and resisting arrest, according to Colorado Bureau of Investigation records.  The homeowner was not charged by police. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25378523/man-fatally-shot-possible-self-defense-incident-identified

rob- A northeast Eugene, Oregon resident armed himself with a pistol and chased off two men who were trying to rob his home.  The incident was reported at 2:12 a.m. after the homeowner looked out his window and noticed a van parked with its headlights on. The man grabbed a .357 revolver.  Two men reportedly stepped inside the house, but turned and ran after the home’s resident pointed the gun at them.  The homeowner chased them a short distance.

http://www.registerguard.com/rg/news/local/31375711-75/police-resident-eugene-chased-intruders.html.csp

(You’ve done what you can do.  If you wanted more evidence for police then you should buy a video security system, but don’t chase the bad guys once they leave your home.)

John -A wanted felon is back behind bars in Stephens County, Georgia.  The felon was fleeing from a Georgia Department of Natural Resources ranger when the felon rushed toward a woman working in her yard.  Evidently she felt threatened and drew her handgun and fired one round near him.  The felon fled in the opposite direction and was captured by County Sheriff Deputies. http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=273269

(“Warning shots” are not a good idea.)

Paul -A wheelchair bound gun owner defended himself in Moore, Oklahoma.  An intruder jumped into his yard while Steven Ferguson was working in his sunroom.  Steve says he turned to see the intruder draw a firearm, and that is when Steve drew his and fired.  The shot shattered his back window, but the intruder jumped back over his fence and ran into an empty field.  “Shooting at someone is not fun.”

http://www.koco.com/news/homeowner-in-wheelchair-shoots-at-intruder/25322604#mid=18738900

Rob- A woman answered her door with gun in hand, and she is glad she did.  This homeowner lives between Selma and Montgomery Alabama, an her house is several hundred feet from the paved road.  It was also after midnight when 18 year old Mike Smith knocked on the front door and claimed he needed help with his broken car.  Smith forced his way into the home as the homeowner approached the door, knocking the homeowner to the ground.  Smith was armed with a knife.  The homeowner fired her handgun several times.

Smith was found 30 feet from the front door, having been dragged most of that distance.  Police picked up Bryan Vance as an accomplice to burglary and Smith’s death.  Police explained that it appears the homeowner was protecting herself and her niece and would not face charges

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2014304040026&nclick_check=1

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rob- Email #1
With regards to the discussion on video games and violence last episode: I want to see a study on video games and violence that factors in the effects of social isolation. I know from personal experience (I was bullied in middle school. Boo-hoo, pity me, right?) that social isolation makes kids withdraw from other people, and video games are a convenient escape. Most popular video games are violent, partly because we play video games to experience things we can’t do in reality (sports games aren’t popular because it’s pretty easy to go out and play football, for example). Socially isolated individuals who are heavily bullied are likely to lash out (Columbine was explicitly a response to social isolation and bullying, and most other mass murderers were bullied loners). Therefore, you see a correlation between violent video games and violent behavior. As we all know, correlation does not equal causation though – Both violence and playing of video games could be caused by social isolation and bullying.

Also, you referenced religion being an antidote to violence. This is quite the hornet’s nest, so I’ll just poke it gently by saying that 9/11, the crusades, thousands of murders of gays in america and across the world, and other atrocities are religiously motivated, too. Religion is a powerful tool that can be used to convince someone, partly because faith, by definition, can often bypass logic and evidence. This tool can be used for good or evil, much like guns. Religion isn’t inherently bad, but can be easily twisted towards evil by cultists and extremists.

Thanks for putting out the podcast, and keep asking the hard questions!
-Branth

Email #2 (Paul wants this one)
Why do you have an email? I’ve emailed you on several different occasions about different things and you never email back

John – Email #3
Paul & Crew,
Just dropping you a note to say keep up the good work. I enjoy the show and info you all give to us on a bi-weekly basis. Although a few of the staff has left in recent months the group you have put together is equally informative and entertaining. Once again, keep up the good work & I’ll give Susan all the credit for seeing to it that the show goes off without a hitch.
Thanks,
Troy & Gwen Starkey

Paul- Email #4 Email string about Trek podcast. I had emailed Ken thanking him for the recommendation.

YAY! So happy I did some good. I’m not even that big a Trek Fan, but love what these guys are doing.
Ken S.
PS Just joined NRA last week. Just bought my first gun, ever, on Thursday. (Ruger LCP)

Listener voice mail from Mark in Ohio-
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Rob’s paraphrase ‘Lots of Mass murderers play video games. They also drink milk. That said, I don’t let my girls play violent video games. My family shoots and my youngsters know firearms are both real and dangerous.”

Rob- Mark, It is nice to hear you and thank you for sending your voicemail. I think you’re doing a good job raising your children. I think you’re doing a bad job with statistics. We compare those who play video games with those who don’t. The more violent imagery children see, the more violent behavior we observe in them.

Think of video games as a cumulative mental poison.
Mark, I can send you some physical poison in a medicine bottle. It tastes sweet so your kids will like it. They might like it a lot and ask for it. I know this poison won’t kill everyone with every dose. Odds are it won’t hurt them at all this time, but the odds are absolutely certain it will kill some. The fact that this poison did not make YOU sick THIS TIME does not mean it won’t sicken many people.

Do you really want to give poison to your children and find out? You, Mark, already answered that question for you and your family. I’ll repeat what I said before; I like your answer.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Onair@politics and guns.com or  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Paul: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is in Richmond Virginia on April 12 and 13.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention from your SlowFacts blog?

Rob: I do. My message is that you gun owners rock!  The gun culture is growing despite the smears from the main stream media and millions of dollars from anti-gun politicians.  The article is called Gun Culture Turns the Tide.  It is on Clash Daily, Ammoland and my blog.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Robl: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

John: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,  Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 225 – Citizens for a Safer New Jersey

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, April 2nd. I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with John Willit and Rich Petkevis about Citizens for a Safer New Jersey.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on! episode 225 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
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John- The Connecticut Citizens Defense League has a rally scheduled on April 5th in Hartford Connecticut.  Connecticut deserves our support.  New York, Massachusets and Rhode Island gun owners are close enough to drive over.  http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally

Rob- Mail in your NRA ballot too!  Ballots must be received by April 6th.

Rachel and Tim -Fort Hood shooting- There was a shooting this afternoon on base at Ft. Hood in Texas. Latest official reports have 4 dead including the gunman and 14 wounded. The shooter was 34-year-old Ivan Lopez who is reported to have died from a self-inflicted wound. The advice given to soldiers on base was to “shelter in place”. This is just another shooting that happened in a gun-free zone, and brings back memories to troops and Texans of the last Ft. Hood shooting that happened in 2009.

Obama’s statement: “working with folks on the ground to find out exactly what happened and be sure everyone is secure, and we will get to the bottom of this.” “We’ll do everything we can do make sure the community at Fort Hood has what it needs…”

Rob- This is not workplace violence.  These service men and women were killed by political correctness.. by criminal negligence by a commanding officer.
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John -Albany, New York gun rights rally drew an estimated 3000 protesters saying repeal New York’s SAFE act that imposed magazine limits and outlawed many firearms.  The legislation takes effect in only two weeks and requires registration of all semi-automatic rifles.  http://www.wben.com/Trump–Astorino-Take-on-Cuomo-Over-NY-Gun-Control/18714252

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Rob -Colorado Sheriff’s take magazine ban to court.  Colorado’s new gun restrictions went on trial Monday as Second Amendment advocates seek to overturn the laws on grounds that they violate constitutional rights to keep and bear arms.  About 50 sheriffs said they would not enforce the new Colorado gun laws.  The state attorney general has the unfortunate task of defending Colorado’s new laws.  This trial is only a few hours old. http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/colorado-gun-laws-argued-in-federal-court/

Paul- A West Virginia Sheriff refused to turn over list of gun owners after two newspapers asked for the information as a matter of public record.  Sheriff Patrick Butler said releasing information put the public, and the gun owners in particular, at risk.  West Virginia gun owners should give the sheriff some support.

Paul, should you comply with the law in order to oppose it?

Rachel- Iowa legislators have some explaining to do.  Speaker of the House, Kraig Paulsen, yesterday used a procedural rule to bury Constitutional Carry legislation yet again and kept it from coming up for a vote. Iowa gun owners were active and heard by both sides of the isle. The ruling class.. even republicans.. don’t support the right of self-defense in Iowa.  The message to Iowa gun owners is simple;  you snooze, you lose.

Paul- California’s top hypocrite Senator Leland Yee’s arrest for conspiracy to sell firearms without a license as well as many other crimes seems to have put a chill on 2 gun control bills that he introduced. You may recall from the last episode that Yee, who was rated A+ by the Brady Campaign and was on their Gun Violence Prevention Honor Roll, was arrested and has since posted bond.The Brady Campaign’s Amanda Knox said “I am very dismayed and upset, but his actions don’t make what is good policy any less good policy.”
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Rob -We knew Washington DC was crazy, and unfortunately, here is more proof.  Mark Witaschek was tried and convicted of having inert bullets used in a muzzleloading rifle in his DC townhouse.  These are ammunition components for a rifle that doesn’t require registration in DC.  You heard that right.  You now have to register your rifles you don’t have to register so you can register the ammunition you have to register.  That is what DC law says, though it took DC lawyers four hours to figure that one out.  After the so called trial, Witaschek registered himself on DCs Firearms Offenders Registry as part of his sentence.  No one in the DC registry office or DC attorney’s office could explain if Witaschek is now prohibited from owning firearms

To offer some perspective, there were TWO murders with firearms in DC the same night that SWAT teams raided Witaschek’s house in their first witch hunt for illegal guns.  This is DC law enforcement at play while disarmed citizens bleed. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/28/mark-witaschek-surrenders-to-dc-police-gun-offende/

John- New York state issued a guide to law enforcement concerning the New York SAFE act.  The guide recommends ignoring the magazine capacity requirements since they are most likely unconstitutional. They also suggest ignoring the muzzle brake restrictions as unenforceable vague. http://www.ammoland.com/2014/03/ny-state-police-guide-revised-to-reflect-unconstitutionality-of-ammunition-ban/#axzz2x8VvsnUT

Rachel- In Georgia liberal leaning talk show host Mike Malloy had some interesting things to say on his radio show. This is a direct quote “I would like to invite one of the NRA board members, and I’ll be armed, let’s just get this over with, OK? Come on down to Georgia and I’ll be packing heat and you be packing heat or whether you want to or not, I don’t give a damn, it’s up to you. And you come, meet me someplace, and all of a sudden, see, we have stand your ground here, and all of a sudden I’m going to feel real goddamned threatened by you! And I will shoot you! If I feel threatened. The law says I can! Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha!”

John – In New Mexico on Monday, the Second Amendment Foundation won again. They had sought an injunction against New Mexico’s citizens-only CCW law and they got it. John Jackson is a citizen of Australia and a legal, and I emphasize LEGAL,  resident of the US and residing in Rio Rancho, NM. He wanted to obtain a New Mexico CCW permit. Discrimination based upon alienage or whether you are a citizen or legal resident is a constitutionally suspect. Because of this, the judge applied strict scrutiny and decided that the state of NM could not show that legal residents posed a great risk to public safety than citizens. Thus, she granted the injunction against that part of New Mexico’s law. The rest of the law stands and Mr. Jackson still has to meet all other requirements to get a permit.

Rob- Gun Quote of the day- Buy gold if you want a good return on your investment.  If you want a good return on your freedom, buy lead! John Kirkwood

Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with the interview with John Willit and Rich Petkevis from Citizens for a Safer New Jersey.  right after this advertisement for Concealment Solutions.

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Rachel- Chicago citizens with carry licenses are not the only ones armed at home.  A Chicago police officer was at home with his 7 year old daughter during the middle of the day.  Men knocked at his front door and the officer ignored them thinking they were salesmen.  They weren’t.  They parked their van next to his house and then tried to force their way through the door.  The officer says one of the men drew a gun and the officer defended himself.  The injured man was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn in serious-to-critical condition.

John – Police in Denver [CO] are investigating a shooting that occurred Tuesday afternoon... According to police, a homeowner shot a juvenile burglary suspect, who suffered injuries that aren’t considered life-threatening. “The homeowner was at home at the time and he heard some glass breaking and went on down,” said Sgt. Patrick Theriot from the Denver Police Department. The homeowner told CBS4’s Stan Bush the 17-year-old burglary suspect broke in through a back window of his him, lunged at him, and he shot him in the shoulder. The teen was who was reported to be in good condition was arrested. CBS-4 characterized the Colorado Castle Doctrine as “the make my day law”. Typical media bias.

Paul- Green light. gotta run. (err drive)

Rob- A Muskogee [OK] man shot and killed a robber last Saturday night.  Kyle Flood, age 30,told police that his 46 year old neighbor Dana Lewis knocked on his door and told Flood three men were burglarizing her home and needed help. Flood went inside his home and retrieved his pistol before he stepped back outside.  Three men were outside his neighbors home and Flood told the men to leave. Instead, the three men instead him.  Flood again told them to leave until one of the men came toward him in an aggressive manner.  Flood fired one shot at the man’s chest and all three suspects fled.

Police found the man a short time later in a nearby alley.  The injured burglar was transported to Eastar Hospital and died in hospital care.  Initial investigation shows Flood acted in self-defense.

Rachel- As defensive weapon carriers, we often hear the advice, “Carry 24/7 or guess right.” The obvious conclusion is that it’s impossible to guess right – but apparently, one woman did just that. A woman in Dallas, TX has had her CHL for 3 years but never carried. She decided to carry for the first time last week…..and that was the day she needed it. She was a witness as Kim Lamphone, a fellow rider on a DART train, was confronted by a shady-looking character who said, “Lady, I’ve got a gun; give me your bag.”  The armed bystander showed him her Glock and 23-year-old Jamil Karoma ran. It was later determined that Karoma had a BB gun. As for this witness….she has decided to not take her chances, and will be carrying more often from now on.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.  We have a tips and tricks segment with Kenn Blanchard.

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Rob- Listener e-mail discussion
We had a voice mail, but Paul pulled away from the truck stop and has it with him. We will cover it this weekend.
Email from Ken
Hi, Paul.

To the one of you who said you are a Star Trek fan, if you aren’t listening to the Missionlog podcast, produced by Rod Roddenberry, you are missing a huge piece of the Star Trek universe. It’s almost like a Christmas present each and every week, as they review, discuss, and critique one episode at a time, or interview cast and crew.

They just finished TOS and currently are doing the cartoon series. Next will be Next Gen and the movies. They are doing it one episode at a time, and will get it all done in about 11 or 12 years from now!

Available on their website, or iTunes, and probably other places, too.
Ken
Laveen, AZ

Rob- Facebook message from Chad
Question for Rob – how do you dry fire a 1911?

John- Facebook message from Mick Swagger (former cast member)

Paul,
I know this is a little bit late but in Ep: 221 you rant about sheep dogs and you rant that you do not carry for others just for yourself and your family. I understand that you would rather be a good witness for the victim but MLK jr says this “The first question which the priest and the Levite asked was: “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?” But… the good Samaritan reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?””

Rachel: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time. Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us. Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

 

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

 

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.