Episode 224 – Andrew Rothman, Joe Kalil and Rants

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded Saturday March 29th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have a return interview with Joe Kalil from Protect Our Students and Teachers.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also talked with Andrew Rothman of Minneota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance. So climb aboard!
John: Strap in!
Paul: And hang on! Episode 224 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant

John: I am going to pre-empt Rob a bit. I made my contribution to James Kaleda’s legal defense fund on Wednesday. I engaged in a bit of multi-tasking during the show!

Rob- Dry practiced. My local tea party asked me if I could get a gun donated so they could raffle one off on April 15th. I had to give them a refresher on California gun laws.

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Seg 2- News
John- Rob has a speech, a lecture, a tirade. He is about to espouse, advocate, lecture and pontificate. Oh, No. Here is his rant.

Rob- Young boys and girls who play videogames are more likely to think and act in aggressive ways. That is old news, but it was reconfirmed with a study of more than 3,000 schoolchildren in Singapore. Published in the pediatric journal of the American Medical Association, the research sampled children over the course of three years. Frequent use of video games was linked to higher rates of aggressive behaviors and thoughts. The participants’ average age was 11 at the start of the study, and three-quarters of them were boys. The study also found that answers were similar between boys and girls, and that parental involvement was not likely to change the likelihood of violent behavior. http://news.yahoo.com/video-games-linked-aggressive-behavior-kids-203144445.html

This simply confirms what I’ve thought for a long time.  (More notes at Fantasy Violence and Fantasy Solutions)

John: The first thing I’d say about this study is that it was of schoolchildren in Singapore. Given the cultural differences between Singapore and the United States, the applicability of the study to American kids has to be called into question. They are a multi-ethnic society crowded into a very small space.

Next, I’d like to add a personal observation based upon Barb’s nephews Kyle and Aaron. They both have played Halo thousands of hours each. In fact they have played Halo professionally in both team and individual competitions. Between the two of them, they have literally won hundreds of thousands of dollars. Indeed, in the Halo 4 Global Championship, Aaron was the champion and took home $200,000.  With such exposure to a first-person shooter game such as Halo, if you are to accept the AMA study findings at face value, they should be rather aggressive and even violent. Nothing could be further from the truth. Kyle is a college graduate and Aaron in a junior majoring in chem engineering. I think it goes back to the parents and how they are raised as well as the expectations. Aggressive, violent anti-social would not have been tolerated by their parents and they knew it.

Paul: I would like to remind everyone that we aren’t looking to ban video games, and if you listen to this show you will see that I think that they may be a small benefit to society. The numbers of people who are affected negatively by these games is tiny, and they do supply a bonding of sorts for my boys and I. Like alcohol there can be therapeutic effects and they can me abused. Parenting is the key.

 
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Seg 3 Interviews
-Andrew Rothman from Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance and
-Joe Kalil from Protect our Students and Teachers
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Segment 4 DGUs

Paul- James Kaleda needs us fund his legal defense against New Jersey.  Do it here, and I will ask when I meet you. I did! http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund

John- The Connecticut Citizens Defense League has a rally scheduled on April 5th in Hartford Connecticut  Connecticut deserves our support.  New York, Massachusets and Rhode Island gun owners are close enough to drive over.  http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally

Rob- Mail in your NRA ballot too!  Ballots must be received by April 6th.

John- We don’t have a lot of details in tonight’s first DGU, Early Friday morning a group of thugs invaded a home in North Beaver Township, Pennsylvania. The three attackers proceeded to pistol whip one of the residents of the home, who during the attack was able to retrieve his rifle and opened fire on the attackers. All of whom immediately fled. a neighbor reported “ I heard 3 shots, quick ones. Then staggered there were 3 more after that.” One of the attackers wound up at a local hospital where he is in critical condition.The other 2 have not yet been found.

Paul – This isn’t a “ New” DGU. Susan fired off a link to a story where last November an armed citizen noticed an armed robbery taking place. The armed citizen called 911 from outside the Reading Pennsylvania store where the robbery was occurring. As the robbers came out of the store he hollered at the men to stop and that the police were on the way. The thugs then pointed guns at the armed citizen. The armed citizen then drew and fired his own weapon killing the 2 who threatened him while a 3rd thug, the getaway driver, fled the scene and was arrested by police later that day. If only the story ended there. Families for the 2 criminals have threatened to file lawsuits seeking “Justice” for the violent felons. The mother of one of the two killed in while committing an armed felony stated “It’s not fair, it’s not fair. People painted a picture like he is a bad person. He is not a bad person.”  Pennsylvania does have a castle doctrine that prevents those who are injured or the families of those who are killed in a justifiable shooting from filing lawsuits against those who defend themselves.  I haven’t been able to find any more information on the outcome of the threatened lawsuits or if indeed they ever did get filed. If I can find information I will put it in a later show. Meanwhile if you want to get our blood boiling a little bit I encourage you to go watch the video, the link is in the show notes and I was HOPPING mad for quite a while after watching it.

John- A Tulsa, Oklahoma homeowner woke up to the sound of his burglar alarm.  The homeowner got his gun and then surprised a man and a young girl in his garage. The man ran away and the homeowner fired several shots but police officers don’t believe the intruder was hit.  The homeowner held the 16-year-old girl at gunpoint until police arrived and took her to jail.

This is a great example of what NOT to do.  Unless your loved ones are involved, don’t clear your house.  Call the police and let them send in a dog.  Also, don’t shoot at fleeing suspects.  This is not a game!  The homeowner should have been charged with murder had he killed the fleeing intruder. http://www.newson6.com/story/25014302/police-tulsa-man-shoots-at-burglar-in-his-home

Rob- Back to Pennsylvania, a man kicked in the front door of a York County home, only to find a woman waiting for him with her handgun at the ready.  The 31-year-old Glenville woman was alone when she heard someone trying to force their way inside.  She  trains on a regular basis and grabbed her handgun.  THEN she called 911 and reported a burglary in progress.  When the man made it through her front door, the homeowner leveled her gun and told the intruder not to come any closer.  The intruder was found sitting on the front porch of a neighbor’s home when an officer arrived. http://www.abc27.com/story/25101495/home-intruder-found-pistol-packing-woman-police-say

Paul- A 17 year old teenager from Kingman Arizona was hospitalized in critical condition after being shot while illegally entering a home through a window. The teenager walked away from the scene, but was found by police lying on the ground a few blocks away.  Paramedics took the teenager to Kingman Regional Medical Center and from there he was flown to Sunrise Medical Center in Las Vegas.  The 22 year old homeowner was not charged and released by police.   http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25092723/sheriff-teen-shot-while-illegally-entering-home

John- An off-duty Rowan (ROE-ann) County Sheriff’s Deputy was eating at the China Buffet in Salisbury (SAULS-berry), NC this past Tuesday when a masked man armed with a shotgun tried to rob the restaurant. Deputy John Kempf, Jr. confronted Sakhar Robinson, 20, showed his badge, and tried to end it peacefully. Robinson continued to threaten the customers with the shotgun whereupon the deputy shot him 3 times in the chest with his Glock killing him. The case, like all officer involved shootings, is being investigated by the State Bureau of Investigation. That said, it looks like Deputy Kempf prevented an armed robbery and protected both staff and customers.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Paul- Feedback on Facebook from Michael B

Great show guys!! Love what you said. I cringe when I hear all this “I will not comply” stuff because I know most don’t mean it. In fact I’ll bet most don’t even vote or join NRA just like you said. Anyway you said what needed to be said. That’s why I also like Paul Markel. He always tells it the way it is without worrying about hurting someone’s feelings. I love that. We need to get tough with each other. Thanks guys.

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

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Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

 

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?  I do.  This one is titled “self-defense versus political power”  Our rights are ignored by politicians who chase money from their big donors.  https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2014/03/29/self-defense-versus-political-power/

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 223- Action Shooting Radio

The video above is the “raw” recording session of the show. It is us, warts and all. The audio link above that is the REAL show.

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, the 26th of March, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with the guys from Action Shooting Radio
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun and a tips and tricks segment with David Cole.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 223 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul: The only thing gun related I got to do since the last time we recorded was to inform an officer of the Joplin PD that I was carrying. He told me thanks!

John: No gun news to report but I did book my room for the NRA Annual Meeting in Indianapolis which is being held April 25-27. If you are anywhere near Indy, I’d suggest trying to at least make a day trip of it. As Rob can attest, it is a great experience.

Rachel: Nothing much. Just staffed the Appleseed booth at the national AG&AG conference in Waco Thursday through Sunday, had my County convention on Saturday (and was responsible for some drama there), a bunch of activists I trained did better at making stuff happen in their conventions than I did in mine, and now I’m prepping for the Appleseed shoot I’m shoot bossing in San Antonio this weekend. Working with Texas Law Shield on some projects with TFF. Nothing to see here, just everyday work….

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“I will not comply” Rant

I personally love the “I will not comply” attitude when it comes to confiscation of firearms. It after all is the one final answer that we all can give that lets the politicians know the really very limited power that they do have. However there are a few things that I would like to bring out and explore around this. #1 If you say it, mean it, and know what it means. Unfortunately there are a lot of “mall ninjas” that hang around the firearms and Second Amendment arena. They want the toys, they want the cool stuff, but when it comes time to do the work they are no where to be found. These are the same people who when you ask, “Are you an NRA member?” give you some BS answer about not wanting to be on a list or being angry about something the NRA did in the mid 60’s to mid 80’s. You then ask if they are a SAF member and they give you a blank stare, trying to think of what the SAF is. A lot of these people are now the ones screaming out “Molon Labe! I will not comply!”

Let’s explore what will – and I did say WILL happen when you don’t comply.

1) – They will come for you. Eventually some form of law enforcement will show up, and if you are lucky you will get a knock on your door and your stuff will be confiscated and you will go to jail. If you are unlucky the door will explode open and the shock troops will come in and take the house or your place of business in a no-knock raid.

#2) If you think that the weapons charge is the only thing that they will charge you with (should you survive the arrest) then you are sorely mistaken. Should it come to the point where they are starting to confiscate weapons they are going to try to make all arrests look like they are going after the dregs of society. Have you ever been a little late filing with the IRS? Did you once have a little bit too much to drink before driving home and plead that down to a misdemeanor? Have you always returned every library book on time? They are going to dig VERY deep before the raid to make sure that they can make you look bad when they parade you in front of the media.

#3) The rest of the gun owning public won’t charge in and break you out of jail. At least at the very beginning the rest of us will be worried about ourselves and what we are are doing to keep our families safe. We will see the storm clouds brewing and be preparing for the storm. Let’s go back to the pre revolutionary war period. The shot heard ‘round the world was not the British regulars first attempt at confiscation. The Boston Massacre occurred 5 years before the battle of Lexington and Concord. I do not expect a 5 year build up, but it happened then, and I don’t expect 1 incident to bring the ire of 100 million plus gun owners to the surface immediately.

4) If you say it, and you mean it, know that many, many of us stand with you. Even with all that I have said, and all of the horribleness that will fall upon those that are victimised first know that there really are many of us in the 100 plus million gun owners that truly do stand with you. I know that Anthony Colandro meant it when he said it. There are many more whom I believe when I hear them say it. I hope that soon our voices will reach the right places and true change can happen. We ARE winning the fight for our rights, slowly and with some setbacks, but we are winning. I believe there will come a time in my lifetime when the 2nd Amendment will be my carry permit, and the 14th Amendment will be my reciprocity agreement. But for now we are threatened in many areas with laws that would make criminals of us.

In every battle there are casualties. Every soldier that volunteers to put on the uniform for our country knows that they could be injured or killed in their service. What I am asking is for every gun owner to become a soldier for our rights. It could be costly for you. You could be arrested, you could lose your reputation. You could lose a lot more. Know this before taking up the cause. If you say “I will not comply” and “MOLON LABE” then in my opinion you MUST belong to the NRA and The SAF. You MUST be registered to vote and YOU MUST VOTE! We have a chance to turn things our direction this November peaceably, but of you are not participating you are nothing but a mall ninja in the 2A world wanting the cool stuff without doing any of the work that comes with it.

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News-
James Kaleda needs our support.  Do it here, and I will ask when I meet you. John?  Rachel?  Paul?  Susan?  http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund

Connecticut Citizens Defense League has a rally scheduled on April 5th in Hartford Connecticut  Connecticut deserves our support. http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally

Mail in your NRA ballot too!

Paul- A California state senator who both represents San Francisco, and who enthusiastically authored gun control legislation was arrested after he asked for campaign donations in exchange for introducing an undercover FBI agent to an arms trafficker.  The allegations against State Sen. Leland Yee were outlined in an FBI affidavit in support of a criminal complaint. The affidavit accuses Yee of conspiracy to deal firearms without a license and to illegally import firearms.  Yee is also accused wire fraud for accepting tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions and cash payments to provide introductions, help a client get a contract and influence legislation.  Yee discussed helping the FBI agent get weapons worth $500,000 to $2.5 million, including shoulder fired automatic weapons and missiles, and took him through the entire process of getting them from a Muslim separatist group in the Philippines to the United States. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-california-state-sen-leland-yee-arrested-23068331

Rob’s comment- Timothy Sullivan, a notoriously corrupt Tammany Hall politician,

John-  John Lott said “Our soldiers need protection on base.. and should be armed. Currently, soldiers on military bases are not allowed to carry guns. Indeed, the military specifically forbids personnel from carrying firearms for personal protection except when “a credible and specific threat against [military] personnel [exists] in that region.”

That sounds like the same “justifiable need” statement they use in California, New Jersey and Maryland.  That is why, during the Navy yard shooting, the unarmed soldiers, sailors  and marines could do nothing but cower as the shooter fired round after round. For perspective, military bases have relatively few military police since crime rates on bases are normally low.  And it was a similar story in 2009 at Fort Hood. Maj. Nidal Hasan was unchallenged as he stood on a desk and kept shooting down victim after victim in work cubicles at Fort Hood, Texas. http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/5795440-74/bases-ducks-military#ixzz2x6Y8Gdcu

Rachel- Don’t put your faith in judges.  Washington DC resident Mark Witaschek was convicted of having unlawful ammunition for a muzzle loading rifle.. the same rifle that does not require registration in DC.  That means you have to register your rifle that doesn’t require registration.. so you can register the rifle’s ammunition.  The judge didn’t know guns from gorillas.  Judge Robert Morin sentenced Mr. Witaschek to time served, a $50 fine and required him to enroll with the Metropolitan Police Department’s firearm offenders’ registry within 48 hours.  The case will cost Witaschek hundreds of thousands of dollars. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/26/miller-exclusive-shock-verdict-mark-witaschek-guil/

John -You may now record the police in Illinois after this court ruling from the Illinois supreme court. A non-english speaker was imprisoned for over 20 months after recording a conversation with a court reporter supervisor. http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=11655

Rob- About 150 attendees filed into Lansingburgh’s Grace Baptist Church this past Sunday to hear Pastor John Koletas’ hymn and enter a raffle to win an AR-15 rifle, the Times Union reported.

Pastor Koletas preached in front of a large American flag and had a right-to-bear-arms-text hanging on the walls of the church.  This is at least the second raffle of the month.  “We have our Constitution to protect us, but we have our liberty to protect ourselves,” Koletas said during Sunday’s service.  Churchgoers were relatively calm and quiet as they filled the pews and submitted their names for the raffle.  42-year-old Schenectady resident Ron Stafford won the rifle, valued between $800 and $1,200.

Paul -If you were so foolish as to trust an Illinois politician, please please think again.  The first batch of carry license denial letters have gone out from the Illinois State Police.  As feared, the letters  do not specify which agency filed an objection, the contents of the objection or specifically how the individual is a danger to themselves and/or public safety. In short, what we’ve got is a “may issue” licensing scheme, crafted by House Speaker Michael Madigan, where anti-gun local officials can reject license applications for any reason at all.  NRA’s lawyers are putting together their legal response. http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=11646

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John- The National Shooting Sports Foundation does not send out alerts or “take action” notices very often. In fact, they’re rare. When they do urge action, it’s usually a significant issue.  Last week the NSSF asked gun owners to contact their senators to stop Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s attempt to force the Administration into issuing an executive order banning the importation of certain semi-auto modern sporting rifles. http://thegunwriter.blogs.heraldtribune.com/16133/senators-want-exec-order-banning-import-of-semi-auto-rifles/  (Rob has a comment)

John -This is why you lock your doors and try to retreat.  A Houston firefighter returning home from a night of St. Patrick’s Day partying was shot and killed by his next-door neighbor when he tried to enter the wrong house.  27 year old Sam Keen was asked to leave the bar so his friends put him in a cab.  The cab stopped next door, rather than in front of Keen’s house. Keen couldn’t find his way home and entered the wrong house.  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/off-duty-houston-firefighter-shot-dead-by-neighbor/

Rob – Idaho is part of a growing number of states that are seeking to nullify federal firearms laws. Congratulations to Idaho on being among the first to actually pass a nullification bill. Their bill, S1332, was signed by the governor last week and applies to future federal law. Specifically, this bill is designed to “protect Idaho law enforcement officers from being directed, through federal executive orders, agency orders, statutes, laws, rules, or regulations enacted or promulgated on or after the effective date of this act, to violate their oath of office and Idaho citizens’ rights under Section 11, Article I, of the Constitution of the State of Idaho.” Violators will be fined $1,000.

Rachel –  A couple weeks ago, we had Keith Morgan from WVCDL on the show to talk about the success of their group’s intense efforts to get SB317 through the WV legislature. SB317 is the state preemption bill for gun carry laws. After we spoke, they had to engage in another battle when there was a question about whether the governor would actually sign the bill. They’ve been working feverishly to get his signature – that finally happened yesterday. Kudos to the grassroots activists at WVCDL.

West Virginia Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin’s statement: “This evening, I signed Senate Bill 317 because I support our 2nd Amendment rights, and I also see the need for uniform and consistent gun laws throughout the state. I believe this legislation will give municipalities clarity for regulating firearms in their facilities.”

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/detroit-homeowner-holds-teen-robber-at-gunpoint-until-police-arrive/25158758#.UzIo6C8by-g.facebook

John DGU- Near Detroit, a Jet’s Pizza delivery driver shot back after he was robbed at gunpoint at about 11 p.m. Saturday in Redford.  The victim was making a delivery to a residence where two men posed as customers.  One of the men grabbed the driver and the other man showed a handgun and demanded the victim’s money.  The legally armed delivery driver shot the suspects.  The uninjured driver left the area and called 911.  The robbers also fled in a waiting vehicle. One of the men was later found at a local hospital with multiple gunshot wounds, and another man was arrested Monday night, police reports said.  The injured suspect, Clarence Sanders, 27, of Detroit, was arraigned Monday in the hospital on a charge of armed robbery, according to Redford Police.

A warrant request is being prepared on the second suspect.

http://www.hometownlife.com/article/20140325/NEWS16/303250018/Pizza-delivery-man-shoots-back-after-robbery

 

Rachel DGU- An adult man was killed in a shooting in Bakersfield, California and another was escorted from a home and  placed in a police vehicle. The Bakersfield Police Department said that at about 4:51 a.m., Shawn Christian Ibarra, 35, armed himself with a breaker bar and kicked in the front door. He was then shot by another man in the house, which resulted in the death of Ibarra. Ibarra was on Post Release Community Supervision.. commonly called “early release” from prison.  Police believe the homeowners and Ibarra knew one another. http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/person-suffered-major-injuries-in-incident-in-northeast-bakersfield-police-say-032414

Paul DGU- An intruder called 911 after he was shot during a break in attempt, in Iberia Parish, Louisiana.  Charles Prince attempted to break into a balcony bedroom at a home on East Admiral Doyle Drive.  Prince woke the victim, who grabbed a handgun and fired 2 shots at Prince, hitting him once in the arm.  The homeowner called the Sheriff’s Office around 8:39 p.m. and explained that he had shot at an intruder.  Shortly afterward, the Sheriff received a 911 call from Prince who said he had been shot near the victim’s home.  Prince was transported to the Iberia Medical Center, and will be charged with Unauthorized Entry of an Inhabited Dwelling.

http://fox44.com/news/crimetracker/intruder-calls-911-after-getting-shot-during-break-attempt

Rob DGU- Michael Huston, 26, faces one count of residential burglary and one count of possession of burglary tools, both felonies, according to the Kane County Illinois Sheriff’s office. Huston broke into a house and was shot by the homeowner.  Huston was found by sheriff’s deputies a few blocks away from the burglary and taken to Delnor Community Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.  The 43-year-old homeowner was alone at home at the time, and has a valid Illinois FOID card.

http://beaconnews.suntimes.com/news/26418166-418/intruder-shot-by-st-charles-township-homeowner-is-charged-with-burglary.html

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“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” – Sigmund Freud

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Rob DGU NSF- A group of boys, one as young as 13, tried breaking into a home Sunday on Bedford Street in Detroit. His house was robbed the day before, but this time Gregory Lindsey was home. Mister Lindsey’s son was downstairs doing homework when he heard banging on the door. Outside, five or six young boys were trying to get in. The homeowner took his semi- auto 22 and ran out the front door. “Lots of them scattered, but I caught one,” Lindsey said. For 20 minutes the teen sat on Lindsey’s porch at gunpoint, until police arrived. “He was kind of scared but it’s a lesson that needs to be learned because too many kids are going to people’s houses and getting shot now… Whoever got through that door would absolutely have been shot.”

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

John, mention Dave Cole for Tips and Tricks
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Listener e-mail discussion

Paul : Charlie Foxtrot sent me a message letting me know that for those that are missing the old GRRN forums that there are new forums up at www.gunnation.us all former GRRN forum participants are encouraged to check it out.

Rachel: Email from Chris
Hi Everyone,

I haven’t had a reason to write to the show before but something Rob said on episode 222 compelled me to compose this. After mentioning the James Kaleda situation again and that his defense fund was coming up short I feel it would be wise to bring one of my few moments of shear brilliance to your attention. I call it $22 for 2A.

It really started about 2 weeks ago when the phone rang while listening to another podcast that just happened to be discussing this injustice at that exact moment . While checking the caller ID I realized the number 2 and letter A are on the same key. Thats when the light bulb came on.

Here’s how it works – it’s sort of a challenge to all those keyboard commandos out there. What you do is wait until the lottery jackpot gets a little bigger before buying a ticket, maybe leave the range with some extra ammo instead of having to buy and use an entire case each time. Take that money you didn’t spend and send $22 to the James Kaleda defense fund. I’m sure Rob will put it the show notes for those that may be google challenged.

It goes without saying that James stuck his neck out for anyone, anywhere, that owns a firearm or believes in the right to self defense. He deserves our support. I’ve donated and I don’t even live in the US.

Progressive socialism – the kind that seeks to strip you of your rights and make everyone dependant on government knows no borders. It’s like a septic pile of black goo that oozes it’s way around the world. When one nation has a brain cramp on firearms laws it would not surprise me if some faceless beauracrat at the UN is immediately spreading the word to other countries – saying…”You should try this.”. The border between Canada and the USA is really just a line on the map used to collect taxes. When something happens in one country the other is likely to follow. I don’t need to mention what is going on in Connecticut, New York, and our own issues with the CZ-858/Swiss Classic Green and Canada’s largest street gang – the RCMP.

Thanks for mentioning us and our troubles north of the 49th. It reassuring to know we’re not alone.

In the words of a great Canadian comic, Red Green, “Remember I’m pullin’ for ya; were all in this together.”.

Until next time,

Chris – Typing from the Peoples Republic of Canada.

John: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

John: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rachel: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Paul: John, do you have any post on your blog you want to mention?

John: I did a post earlier this week about the Jefferson County Arkansas Sheriffs’ Department. You know how anti-gun police and sheriffs’ departments have gun buybacks? Well, they had a gun auction that netted them over $125,000! I call it the anti-anti-gun buyback. Even better was was this statement from the JCSD: “Today’s auction provided citizens an informative, secure, and safe way to buy firearms at a bargain.” Well said, JCSD, well said.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 222 – Shooter Ready Radio, George Hill and Ken Kowalski

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, March 22nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have shooter ready radio as guests.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
George: I’m George Hill, author of Uprising USA
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, the one who REALLY runs the show here. So climb aboard!
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 222 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob: I donated to James Kaleda. Have you? I also mailed in my NRA ballot. I voted for Collandro and Hill.

John: I’m sorry I couldn’t make it on Wednesday. I had an out of town business meeting that wasn’t optional. Like Rob, I mailed in my NRA ballot which included Anthony Colandro who was on the show Wednesday.

I’d like to ask our listeners to remember Bob Mayne of the Handgun World Podcast and David Codrea, the National Gun Rights Examiner, in their thoughts and prayers. Bob is battling a serious illness ( do we want to say cancer?) and David is in the hospital recovering from two broken ribs plus pneumonia.

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Rob’s rant- Please take this to heart. This is from my friend Jay Wells. Last week her friend got tangled up with New York City. You know something is wrong when you hear the words, “I spent the weekend in jail.” This guy was visiting family in New York when the good Samaritan called 911 while he was driving because his passenger became sick and needed immediate aid. The passenger got medical attention, but the police arrived as well. Then, the law searched my friend’s vehicle. No one was inhospitable or uncooperative nor aggressive. The polite policeman in charge calmly explained about how there were times to ignore minor offenses, but they could not overlook the tool laying all by its lonesome on the console. The man spent the weekend of March 15th in jail for a pocket knife. I am surprised no one goes to jail for possession of a butter knife.

This is like a speeding ticket. The city is simply raising money by picking on travelers. Pay the fine or pay the consequence. For most of us it’s like stepping into a whole other world, a different dimension that transports you back to small town southern sheriffs who fine you “because you not from around here, are ya” I expect this from corrupt third world police, but not from New York City cops who arrive with emergency medical personnel.

Believe it. It will happen to you, and it is a felony. You will pay thousands of dollars to your New York City lawyer and more in fines to get the charges pled down to a misdemeanor.

I know something else. I know why you don’t believe this story. You don’t want to face the injustice in our own backyard. I don’t visit New York. Not even the airports. Nada.
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http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th and it is sponsored by Connecticut Citizens Defense League.  Connecticut deserves our support.

1) -In a decision released Thursday by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Baker v. Kealoha, the court followed the lead of the recent Peruta case to declare Hawaii’s restrictions on firearms carry unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.

The case was heard by the same trio of judges who sat on the earlier Peruta and Richards cases in California, which challenged the state’s restrictive ‘may issue’ policies that required concealed carry permit applicants to show “good cause” to warrant a permit. The judges, O’Scannlain,  Thomas and  Callahan, heard Baker in December 2013 and issued their findings Thursday.

Next Wednesday is the last day to file an appeal for a review by the entire court.  There is no timeline for the court to accept the case. (Rob has coments)

2) -There are also California counties who won’t wait for the judges to rule. Yvonne Freeman is 66 years old and has lived in California more than 30 years. She says the darn notice she got from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department about her concealed weapon permit application is unreasonable.  Her interview appointment was July 26 which seems more than three months away.. at first.   Then Yvonne looked closer.  “It was July 26, 2016.  I might be dead by 2016, she said.  By law, the application process can only take 90 days, which is why the sheriff’s department delays the “initial interview”.

3)- The school curriculum expanded unexpectedly at the Riverside campus of Austin Community College.  There were two separate incidents of carjacking next to the school.  That makes sense for a criminal, because while it could be a zone of overlapping law enforcement from both Austin and the college, in this case both departments were caught unaware.  The victims said two men brandishing a handgun tapped on the window and told the student to get out of the car.  Remember that campus carry is outlawed in Texas, so students are disarmed both on campus, and as they travel to school.  Those gun free school zones leave students at greater risk.  The Austin police issued an “alert” to students telling them they are likely victims.

4)- Here is a different lesson from school. Pueblo county, Colorado students went to a shooting range after studying Revolutionary War history. Well done, Craver middle school and Project Appleseed. The appleseed program has a history segment for the classroom called Libertyseeds.  These teachers took advantage of it.  They brought history alive and made sure the students learned gun safety.  Pueblo, Colorado is a long way from Boulder.

Rob’s comment- We were talking about school education on the Polite Society staff page only the other day. Dreams do come true.

5)-A local gun range is stepping up to host a crime prevention workshop. A few days ago we commented on Jitterz Java, a coffee shop that had been robbed three times in the last month, and now the baristas are armed.  Jitterz is in a neighborhood that has suffered a crime wave.  There have been eight Spokane business robberies in the last month.  Sharp Shooting gun range, as well as the Spokane County Sheriff’s Department, want people to know how to safely use their weapons. Even more importantly, they want them to know the law!  That is why Sharp Shooting wants to educate business owners about safe business practices whether they carry a firearm or not.

6)-The crazy senator from California is at it again.  Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein circulated a letter on Capitol Hill calling for a ban on importing semi-automatic rifles.  The ban reinterprets the 1968 gun control act and would target attributes like “thumbhole stocks” and “semi-automatic rifles with fixed or detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds”.  This would prohibit import of tube-fed .22 rimfire rifles.  Crazy Dianne said “Prohibit the importation of assault pistols, in addition to assault rifles.”  Dianne took her language right from the Brady Campaign by calling common handguns “assault pistols”.  The letter does not appear on her Senate.gov webpage where the people of california can read it.  We have a link to the entire letter in our show notes.

Rob has comments.  I’m sorry the fruits and nuts of California elected Feinstein.Will President Barack Obama use his phone and his pen to circumvent the legislature?

John: In other news from the US Senate, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is pushing a bill called the Media Shield Law. As part of the bill, it would define who is and isn’t a journalist and thus protected by the First Amendment’s guarantee of a free press. This bill would protect what David Codrea has long called “authorized journalists” but would not protect us here at the Polite Society Podcast nor Rob or myself as bloggers. Given that Operation Fast and Furious – the ATF’s gun walking effort – was discovered through the efforts of bloggers – or, more appropriately,  citizen journalists -, this bill is a travesty. If we had a press that was something more than an adjunct to the White House Office of Communications or Democratic National Committee, it might not be so critical. However, we don’t and it is critical that this bill be stopped. Unfortunately, it looks likes at least five Senate Republicans have bought into this nonsense. It is time to call your Senator on this one and say no.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

Gun Quotes
Our Founding Fathers were proud that Americans were trusted with arms because they knew that only when people are armed could they truly be thought of as free citizens. And that’s where the circle closes. Those who want to deprive you of your right to keep and bear arms are intending to deprive you of your freedom, period. Like the criminals their policies encourage, these elitists know that it is always best to disarm victims before you enslave them. — Charley Reese

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-Early this past Monday morning in Charlotte, NC , Issac Ray Carelock thought it would be a smart thing to do to try and force his way into his ex-girlfriend’s house by kicking in the door. Unfortunately for him, she was armed. When he pointed his firearm at her, she fired four times. Police found him dead on the porch when they arrived. The Mecklenburg County DA is examining the case to see whether any charges will be brought.

(Paul’s comment – Flowers and chocolates always work better than kicking in a door.)

-Neighbors noticed a burglary in progress and called police to a locked and unoccupied home in Red Bluff, California.  They saw a man pushing a riding lawn mower from the back yard to the road in front of the house along with a full golf club caddie and tools.  An armed neighbor intervened and safely held Camron Michael Crismon at gun point for the short time until deputies arrived.  Deputies found that Crismon, age 39, had caused damage to the residence and surrounding gates and had spray painted graffiti on the residence.  Crismon was booked at Tehama County Jail for felony burglary, possession of stolen property and vandalism.  His bail was set at $80,000.

(Paul has a comment on this one too)

-An attempted robbery in Memphis, Tennessee early Tuesday left the attacker dead.  A man and a women in their 20s were the intended victims.  They were inside an apartment complex in the Whitehaven neighborhood when a man approached with a gun and demanded their valuables.  The couple fought back instead.  The female victim grabbed the suspect’s gun during the struggle and fired several shots, striking both the suspect and her male companion.  The suspect was pronounced dead when police arrived. The male victim was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to recover.  The news reports include comments from the neighbors who have little sympathy for the dead assailant.

Rob’s comments-  Wouldn’t it be better to bring your own gun rather than have to borrow the criminal’s gun?  Also, I can hear the liberal city councilwoman from Memphis saying they need more gun control and we’d save lives by stopping these illegal gun transfers.. when a victim disarms a criminal.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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Listener e-mail discussion

Paul – From Logan on our Facebook site:

In response to Paul’s rant about the Sheep, Wolf, Sheep dog analogy. This is my take on it.

Sheep = people in condition white, “Someone will always be there to keep me safe and take care of me.”

Wolf = The bad guy, armed and dangerous with little to no moral compass.

Sheep Dog = Anyone who has taken their safety and their family’s safety as their responsibility and are alert for dangers. Not necessarily the good guy arresting the bad guys, or the good guy who “saves the helpless sheep”. While there are situations where that would be the case (Aurora, Colorado) in most situations you’re right, it could do more harm than good if you don’t know what’s really going on. And like you said, the sheep dog takes directions from the Shepherd.

Shepherd = God (or your source of guidance for your moral compass pointing to good)

Love the show, I’ve been a listener for about a year and look forward to having a chance to listen every week. Thanks for all you guys and gal do.

Rob – Jeremy from Email:

Just listening to the latest podcast (not done with it yet) I had to write about the sheep and sheepdog thing.  Wolves are not evil or bad, they do what they do to survive.  That is different than criminals that go out looking for trouble because they won’t get regular work.  That is why I have never liked that analogy.
I do agree it is an easy concept for people to understand, but has always been flawed.  That is in contrast to your wonderful show.  Keep it up!

John – Rick in Wyoming also sent an Email

How about adding my state’s freedom group to your list?  WyGO (Wyoming Gun Owners Ass.)  I listen to every show while driving, and sometimes WATCH from truck stops all over the west.  Too cool.

Rob & Rachel: I know Paul can be a rough boss, but hang in there.  The mix of personalities is great.

Keep it up, guys.

Rick in Wyoming.  (Well, sometimes I’m in Wyoming.   I’m a truck driver.)

Paul – James emailed this in:

I thought y’all might be interested to know what is going on in the Arizona Legislature this year. Here is the latest update from AZCDL:

All AzCDL-requested bills passed out of their originating chamber (House or Senate) last week and were heard in committee this week before the March 21 deadline.  With the state budget being negotiated as this is written, the session could come to an end within weeks, and so all bills must effectively be immediately ready to send to the Governor.  We will need your assistance in contacting your Legislators as bills approach Committee of the Whole (COW) and floor votes.

The following firearms bills have crossed chambers, passed out of committee and are still viable.  The status of all the bills that AzCDL is watching this session can be found on our Bill Tracking page.

HB 2103, the AzCDL-requested bill lowering the age limit for CCW permit eligibility to 19 for those with military service, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2322, which was amended in the House so that it would only provide data on mental health adjudications to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background System (NICS) system, as required by federal law, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee hearing on March 19.  As long as no further amendments are added to the current language of this bill, our position will remain neutral.

HB 2336, which clarifies that law enforcement officers cannot carry a firearm and consume alcohol at licensed liquor establishments unless in the performance of their duties, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2338, the AzCDL-requested bill that adds to the definition of Aggravated Assault the illegal taking, or attempted taking, of a legally possessed (i.e., your) firearm, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2339, the AzCDL-requested bill that would allow CCW permit holders to carry in public buildings unless everyone entering is screened for weapons, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2443, which would allow active duty military personnel stationed in Arizona to obtain hunting permits, passed out of the Senate Natural Resources and Rural Affairs (NRRA) committee hearing on March 19.

HB 2483, which would strengthen the protection of the lawful use of firearms, air guns and archery equipment on private property, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2517, which would add penalties for cities and counties violating state firearms preemption law, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2535 (amended), which would require local law enforcement to sign required NFA transfers within 60 days after receiving a request for certification, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

SB 1063, the AzCDL-requested bill that would make “no firearms” signs on public buildings unenforceable unless the statutory weapons storage requirements are followed, passed out the House Judiciary Committee on March 20.

SB 1118, dealing with criminal trespass by hunters, passed out of the House Public Safety, Military and Regulatory Affairs (PSMRA) Committee on March 12 and House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1266 (amended), which would allow judicial officials to carry non-prohibited weapons in their workplace, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13 and the House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1366 (replaced SB 1064), which clarifies that a firearm, by definition, uses a burning propellant, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13.

The following bills did not survive the March 21 deadline.

HB 2412, which would allow designated individuals meeting certain training requirements to carry firearms on K-12 school grounds, was never scheduled for a House Committee of the Whole (COW) debate or Third Read vote.

SB 1294, which would void (in Arizona) any federal law that violates the Second Amendment, was never scheduled for a Senate COW debate or Third Read vote.

As bills progress we will keep you informed via these alerts.  Watch for our Action Alerts on bills needing your help using our Legislative Action Center.

Don’t forget!  Every AzCDL member who sends the emails we generate from our Legislative Action Center will be entered into our raffles for Brownells gift certificates.

These alerts are a project of the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AzCDL), an all-volunteer, non-profit, non-partisan grassroots organization.

AzCDL – Protecting Your Freedom .

James

John – Finally we got an email from a Listener who wishes to remain nameless

http://m.wmctv.com/#!/newsDetail/25018724
Paul
This is a link to a local story. This , to me , is a perfect argument for not restricting magazine capacity. Ten shots fired and no one hit. As you often say, a little inside baseball. Since we are a relatively small suburb of Memphis, and I have family that works for the police dept. , I have had the opportunity to train with some of these guys and in my eyes, they are good. I talked to one of the guys on the swat team and asked him how this happens. His only response was that you have no way to train for the amount of stress that this puts on a person, even those with high levels of training. I don’t know if you would use
this on a show, but if you feel it is airworthy, then by all means use it. I only ask that you not use my name because I don’t know if anyone of my contacts in the pd listen, and I would not want to compromise any of my friends and family. One question about the podcast, what is going on with the timer ?
Recently, I have noticed the stated time for the show is actually shorter than the actual show. If the show says it is say 1 hour long, my timer will run to 0:00 and the show is still going strong.  Not that this is a big deal, just wondering what was up. I love the show and I love the cohorts past and present.

Keep up the good work and if you ever travel I-40 through the Memphis area I would like to meet with up and maybe buy you lunch or a cold beverage , or maybe hit the range, since there is a nice indoor range just a couple of miles off 40 with a nice big parking lot.
This email is beginning to drag, and I really need to get back to work. Thanks again for all you are doing.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John : We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association Wyoming Gun Owners Association, and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 221 – Canadians, Sheepdogs, New Jersey, and Glen Tate

Apple users! Please let us know if this fixed the issue with time encoding. We have switched to an Apple product to do our final encoding to MP3  (This took quite a bit because Paul HATES Apple)

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, March 19th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talk with Frank Fiamingo about the war on self-defense in New Jersey.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also have an interview with Glen Tate who makes a major announcement, and two crazy Canadians talking about the latest canadian firearms regulations.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: and hang on. Episode 221 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
Paul- is parked and waiting for a load.. earning a few dollars an hour.
Rachel- is working politics by night and teaching music by day. I have no time to sleep. I’m connecting political activists to their county political conventions.

Rob- I was looking at mid sized 9mm firearms. I rented the Glock 17, the Springfield XD and the CZ-75. Each is a double stack 9mm with a four in inch barrel.. yet they are very different. The obvious missing comparison is the Smith and Wesson M&P, but someone was renting that at the time.

Weight- Glock 17 is lightest of the three. The XD is slightly heavier, though the XD and Glock both have polymer lowers. The CZ has a fairly heavy steel frame and is the heaviest by far. The CZ loaded with 10 rounds was almost as heavy as my empty 1911. The perceived recoil was directly related to the weight of the gun and the CZ didn’t move much when you fired it. The CZ would be fine if you were buying a competition gun or a house gun. The Glock and XD would be much better if you were going to carry them every day for self-defense. It also means that a new shooter who is recoil sensitive should consider the heavier firearms.

The three handguns have a different shape to the stock and feel entirely different in your hand. That is the reason you want to go to a range that rents a wide selection of firearms. The back of the Glock is broad and straight. It fits in your hand as if you’re grabbing the back of a thick hardcover book. I could reach around the stock (or grip) with my thumb, but people with smaller hands would have to roll their thumb around the Glock to get the gun to fit into the web between their thumb and forefinger. When you do that, it feels like you’re grabbing the side of the gun rather than grabbing the back of the gun. In contrast, the top of the CZ grip is nicely narrow and fits well into the groove between your thumb and index finger. I thought the CZ had the best fit in that it was narrower at the top and arched to fit into your palm. The XD is between the two. The XD has a slightly arched grip which also slightly narrows at the web of your thumb. The XD was not as good as the CZ but better than the Glock.

Here are the safety features for each firearm. The CZ has a single/double action trigger and a manual safety thumb safety. The XD has a grip safety and a trigger safety like the Glock. The Glock has only a trigger safety, but it has a considerably harder trigger pull.

Those are the features of the gun that are hard to change. The feel of the trigger can be changed, but I’ll report on the stock firearm.
You could identify each gun by its trigger. XD was actually a little light at 4-4.5 pounds. The CZ in single action was intermediate, and that surprised me. The double action was only a little heavier than the Glock. The Glock was heavy at 7 to 8 pounds. Again, triggers can be adjusted by a trained gunsmith.
When it came to trigger reset, the glock was the best. I thought the XD was next and my shooting buddy thought the CZ was next. Again, the perceived firmness of the reset was proportional to the weight of the trigger pull. You simply can’t have a light target trigger with a distinct reset.

I put about 20 rounds through each gun. I started with dry fire of each firearm. Then I shot a half dozen slow fire, and then went to controlled pairs. I did not test the CZ for accuracy shooting it as a double action handgun, but I did dry fire it in double action.

I tested the time it took to get a second shot. The XD was fastest due to the combination of features; it had the lighter trigger and a fairly good reset. In contrast, the good reset of the Glock was offset by the harder trigger pull. The low recoil of the CZ was offset by its mushy reset. A trigger job could reverse these rankings, but there are limits. I was looking for a carry gun, not a target gun or competition gun. Let me be clear that each firearm is absolutely acceptable in its speed to deliver a second shot.

Controls- For each of these handguns, the slide release is much easier to use than the forward position on the 1911. That is because of better engineering and a lighter recoil spring for a 9mm handgun. With my large hands, I bumped into the slide release by accident on the XD. In contrast, I had to hunt for the magazine release button into the grip on the Glock because they blend it into the stock. You can master it with practice, and they make extended magazine release buttons for the Glock.

I’m going to include this next comment in with controls because it affects how you handle the gun. The slide of the CZ is not very deep. The slide sits on top of the frame rather than wraps around it. The CZ also has an external hammer. It was harder to do a press check on the CZ than either of Glock or the XD because I had trouble getting a good grip on the slide. I couldn’t do a press check on the CZ if the hammer was down. This could be an issue with new shooters when they are learning to manipulate the slide of their firearm. The slide would be easier to manipulate if you have smaller hands. It isn’t a big issue, but it is a difference between the firearms. You won’t notice this issue after you’ve lived with the your gun for a month.

The CZ has a double action/ single action trigger system. That means you could carry it loaded and uncocked after you manually lower the external hammer. Your first trigger pull would be harder and longer, but the second pull would be single action only. I’m used to carrying a gun loaded, cocked and locked, so I don’t see the strong advantage of the double action trigger on the CZ, particularly when the CZ has a manual thumb safety to prevent negligent discharge.

I have long arms, so all the sights were too wide for me. By too wide I mean that the front blade filled up the notch in the rear sight. That is fine for target work, but not for everyday carry. A gunsmith can change sights. A gunsmith can change the weight and feel of a trigger. So each gun could be fitted to your preferences. Oddly enough, in slow fire I was most accurate with the Glock, and I think that was because of the slight difference in the sights that were fitted to this particular firearm.

As it came out of the box, I thought the XD had the best blend of features for a new shooter.

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Opening rant: It is time that we put “Sheepdogs, Sheep and Wolves” to bed.
1) Shepherds protect the flock. Sheepdogs take orders from shepherds and are nearly worthless without the training and direction that they get from the shepherds.
2) I am not a sheepdog. I am not your (or anyone elses) protector. If I witness you getting robbed, you are going to get robbed. Unless you are in imminent danger of being killed or permanently disabled I am going to try to be a good witness and try to help the police apprehend the bad guy by being a good witness. If I think that you are about to lose your life if I don’t act, I will act IF I CAN. I don’t carry for you, I carry for me and my family. If I am carrying at the time the crime is going on it means that YOU TOO have the ability to carry if you chose to. I don’t have a super duper license that allows me to carry in every circumstance everywhere. I have a South Dakota CPP, if you are in SD or a State that has reciprocity with SD you too can protect yourself.
3) I am not a sheep. I am aware of my surroundings. I am responsible for my own defense.
4) I am not a wolf. I am a card carrying good guy.
5) Unless you have taken an oath as a police officer you could easily make things a lot worse by getting involved. Please don’t delude yourself on citizens arrest. Also, are you SURE you are about to intervene on behalf of the good guy?
6) In our community we are really big on saying “whatever happened to personal responsibility?” when someone blames McDonald’s hot coffee for their own stupidity and wins a big settlement. The same question comes about when a criminal gets off with a light sentence for a heinous crime because he was abused as a child. Where is that same question when a person becomes a victim in a free state where he or she had the legal right to defend themselves? Didn’t the victim have the personal responsibility to take care of themselves including security? Don’t get me wrong here. I DO NOT want to start blaming victims for crimes. What I am saying is that if more people were protecting themselves the criminal population would dwindle dramatically because #1 the criminals don’t commit more crimes once they are incarcerated or in a grave, and #2 Once homey sees that a few of his friends are in jail for a long time and a few more are ventilated he might start thinking that going back to school might make the rest of his time on the planet a bit safer.
7) I have been accused a bit of being a jerk, and worse, for my stance. That is fine with me. The fact is that my #1 goal is to survive for my family. A few episodes ago we had a story about 2 men who entered a house that they didn’t live in and confronted a burglar. I was asked recently what would cause me to enter a house like that. To be honest not much. If my wife or member of my immediate family were in immediate danger and I knew that the police weren’t going to be there in time, then yes, of course. The number of people I would do that for on the face of the earth number less than 20, and most of them are directly related to me.
Am I a Sheep? No. Am I a Sheep Dog? No. I am Damn sure not a Wolf or a Shepherd. I am an independent and free citizen of the United States of America. I don’t fit into the little categories that you try to make so please don’t put me there.

(Commentary – And please feel free to let me have it if you think that I am full of it)
Rob- The original sheep versus sheepdog story was a simple contrast. Now you’ve gone and made it highbrow. You went from two pieces; sheep and sheepdog. Three pieces, sheep, sheepdog and shepard. You have four pieces, complacent citizens, criminal predators, law enforcement and a trained armed citizen who is self-controlled. Your description IS more accurate. But I see two problems with it.

First, most journalists and politicians aren’t smart enough to keep the characters straight until you put costumes and makeup on them. Second, how can you scare the public with a “return to the wild west with blood flowing in the streets” story if there are four characters. Public policy needs simple victims and heros. Your version is simply too complicated to make thrilling news or sound bites.

Oh, Paul… that is a good thing.
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Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here. The Shooting portion of the class is full, however you can still get in on the 2 day citizens rules of engagement. once completing the classroom portion you can get in touch with Chaz and schedule a Mag 20 live fire and complete the mag 40.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob- Story #1 Ares Armor
Daniel Butcher is the Assistant U.S. Attorney that filed a response to temporary restraining order (TRO) obtained by Ares Armor against the ATF. He filed the response with a federal magistrate judge who allowed the raid to proceed. Butcher’s response conveniently “forgets” that the 80% lower receivers stocked and sold by Ares Armor are not generally considered firearms, according to the ATF’s own determination letters sent to numerous manufacturers over the years. Somehow, the all-important detail that the 80-percent polymer lower receivers have not been proven to be firearms didn’t seem to work it’s way into the DOJ’s “Factual Background” section of their response. I doubt the judge cares or will hold Attorney Butcher in contempt for misleading the court. If anything, Attorney Butcher sealed his nomination into a politically appointed DOJ position.

The owner of Ares Armor, Dimitrios Karras, has a sense of humor. The Ares website boasts that all of its products shipped this month have been personally inspected by the BATFE for product quality. Dimitrios is also a combat veteran. I also found out that the company pays employee bonuses in silver coins.

Paul- Oklahoma Sheriffs went to the state capitol to testify as they had in previous years.  This year, the 40 sheriffs met a surprising obstacle. They were turned away at the door because a state Senator complained they were armed.  Rather than disarm, the sheriffs went back to their counties and scheduled their testimony for another day.

(Rachel’s comments: (1) At least they were being consistent and applying the law equally to the sheriffs and to citizens, and (2) That’s *one* thing that Texas can hold over Oklahoma’s head at least for a little while longer: CHLers can carry in our Capitol building.)

Rob- http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th.  Connecticut deserves our support.

Rachel – Jacksonville College in East Texas wanted to increase campus safety, and allow employees to carry guns on campus. That’s when they hired chief of security Mike Morse, and began a security agency on campus. Morse is now teaching security officer certification, and concealed handgun classes. “We had a desire to provide courses to the community, and one of the needs we heard was handgun licenses.” Classes are available to the students, teachers, and entire community.

Paul- Armed baristas in Spokane, Washington

– Jitterz Java has had 3 break-ins in the past month
– Employees are now arming themselves with the approval and encouragement of the owner, Sara Chapel
– Employee Krystal Cogswell: “Before, I never felt an immediate threat, so I would just have it off to the side or somewhere hidden. But now I feel like if someone can see it, maybe it will just deter it right then and there and I won’t ever have to use it,” she explained.
– Customers have been overwhelmingly supportive. Only one complaint.
– Spokane Police said it is completely legal as long as the employees who are armed are 18 and older and do not have any prior convictions that restrict them from using firearms.

Rachel- It turns out that Delaware citizens don’t lose all their civil rights when they accept public housing.  This time their rights are protected by the Delaware constitution more so than the US constitution.  The Delaware Supreme Court read from the Delaware Constitution’s right to bear arms provision- “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use” and the court noted that this language may justify broader protection than that given by the Second Amendment.  It looks like some of the Delaware housing projects will comply, but some housing administrators are crafting new regulations.  Two steps forward, and one step back, but it is progress.

Rob: Gun Quotes (here are two of them, so take your pick of great women on Wednesdays)

How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.  – Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with lots of news about self-defense news in New Jersey. We start with an interview with Frank Fiamingo.  But first, here is a message a sponsor.

Seg 3 Interview with Frank Fiamingo

Rob- That was a fascinating interview with Frank.  The link to the James Kaleda defense fund is at indiegogo.com  He needs another 10 thousand dollars for his defense, and he needs it in the next ten day.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund  Please donate $10 if that is all you can afford.  Please put in something to let James know he is not alone in this battle for our rights.  (Any comments?)

The issue of firearms restrictions is not that complex.  People are not criminals because they have 15 cartridges in their magazine versus 10 rounds.  The Youtube video of 9 year old firearms competitor Shyanne Roberts testifying at the Assembly hearing went viral.  Shayanne gets it.

Here is a one minute clip from my friend Anthony Colandro testifying at the New Jersey Assembly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUE6N5q65eQ&feature=youtu.be   He states that “he will not comply” with the new firearms restrictions.  For the last 20 years we have been in an era when laws are too numerous to know or obey.  Now we are entering an era when more and more citizens deliberately refuse to comply.  (comments?)
Paul- We have to go to break.
Go to break
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Interview with Matthew McLatchey of Slam Fire Radio and Peter Dawson(Ten- X) about the Canadian RCMP gun ban.

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Segment 6 DGUs
The chat room warriors contributed this, and thank you to them- “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson

Rob- A man was shot and killed early Monday morning as he was attempting to burglarize a home northwest of Corvallis, Montana.  The resident was awakened by noises around his home shortly before 4 a.m..  When he went to investigate, he found someone climbing through a window.  When the resident ordered the man to not move, the suspect turned toward him. The resident was armed with a handgun and shot the intruder, who then jumped back through the broken window and ran away from the home.  The intruder was later found dead near the home.  The dead man, Tobias Ian Bishop, age 39, had a long criminal history and was wanted on an outstanding warrant.  Bishop had burglarized several other properties in the area and had several stolen chainsaws stashed near his van.

Paul: Police say that one man is in critical condition after attempting to break into an Apache Junction Arizona Home. Three men gathered in the back of a home when they were noticed by the homeowner on surveillance video. Those gathered out back began to kick the back door. The homeowner grabbed a shotgun and one other person inside the house was armed with a handgun. Once the second person was illuminated with a laser sight, the homeowner and the second person in the home opened fire. The 3 attackers fled. one of them, 19 year old Sal Anthony Almos only made it to the neighbors yard where he collapsed from a shotgun wound to the groin and upper legs. Almos was taken into custody, and he later told investigators that the attackers were heavily armed and had zip ties and “were ready for whatever” I am thinking that a shotgun blast to the groin wasn’t included in whatever. Also the picture on the webpage that reports the story has a mug shot of an apparently easily standing Almos, something I seriously doubt he can do while in critical condition in a hospital, so it appears that this isn’t his first rodeo.

Rachel- Police are investigating the homicide of a 26-year-old man who was shot after police say he brandished a handgun and sexually assaulted a woman. The name of the man has not been released pending notification of family members. It happened around 9:25 p.m., Thursday, in the 3800 block of North Rampart Street [New Orelans LA]. Police said the 26-year-old man approached a man and woman as they were walking. They said he then produced a gun and demanded that they walk to a building that was being renovated. Once they entered the yard, investigators say, the man sexually assaulted the woman at which time the adult male disarmed the man and fatally shot him… (Once a gain, we see how much more common it is for a criminal to get shot with his own gun, by a victim, than vice versa.) http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/man-fatally-shot-in-new-orleans/24970126

Rachel – student speaks out against being disarmed
– University of Cincinnati campus
– engineering student came across 4 students being attacked on campus, jumped in to help them
– ended up beaten, hospitalized
– “One of the victims said that the area was usually safe, so the Saturday night assault was very surprising.”
– Good Samaritan said: “I’m personally a concealed carry permit holder. I’m not allowed to carry on campus so I’m not going to do that, but at the same time if the university is not going to provide significant resources to provide us the safety we need then at least let me take care of myself with it.
– The university’s response: send out safety ambassadors to create a “welcoming and engaging environment.”
– My response: any school that fails to exercise its right to authorize carry on -campus is responsible for any harm that comes to disarmed students, staff, or civilians.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Tips and tricks segment : Kathy Jackson’s reply to our feedback on episode 220

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob: I received this from one of my readers and I like what he said. He calls it “the Equal Protection Amendment”
1. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may keep or bear any arms except those that may be borne by all law abiding competent adult citizens both in his place of residence and in the location of his office.
2. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may be protected by any personal arms he is barred from keeping under the previous article.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!  Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and give our friend Chaz over at the roadgunner podcast a listen, he just put out a great episode with Daniel shaw of Gunfightercast fame.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 220 – Joe Chetwood and Miguel Gonzalez

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Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, march 15th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have an interview with Miguel Gonzalez of “Gun Free Zone”
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Joe: I’m guest host Joe Chetwood from Crusader Weaponry
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 220 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1 Personal news from each participant

Joe Chetwood- finding my way out of boxes.

John: I just finished reading Jm Curtis’ The Grey Man: Vignettes. Jim, also known as Old NFO, blogs at the blog “Nobody Asked Me.”  The novel is Jim’s first and a great start. I highly recommend it to anyone who likes a good story that has guns interwoven through it.

Rob: I got in some dry practice with reloads and malfunction clearance.  I invited a friend over, so practice can be fun.  So was dinner, but dry practice is always a good excuse to throw a party.

Rachel: Got a CWW pin from whiskey5a today, doing online training tomorrow for Texas Firearms Freedom activists for the next convention to help move gun legislation along, and scheming for how I can clone myself so next weekend I can staff the A Girl & A Gun conference, teach at an Appleseed shoot, and be a delegate in my county convention all at the same time.

Paul is in Soux Falls and jumped home from Wisconsin.  We’re podcasting from ABN surplus.

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Seg 2- News

Paul: In Rob’s backyard, Ares Armor machines AR lowers and sells polymer lowers.  The BATF asked for its inventory and customer list.  Dimitrios Karras, owner of Ares Armor, asked for a restraining order against the ATF.. and he received it.  So far the customer list is safe.  Ares is also being harassed by a local city council for its sign that shows a modern sporting rifle.  Anti-gun bigotry is not dead in San Diego.

In late breaking news, the ATF broke into Ares Armor’s national city office and seized records. That is the real price of having a weak sheriff in San Diego County.

Rob- Idaho Governor Butch Otter signed a bill allowing people with enhanced Idaho concealed carry permits to carry firearms on state school campuses.  The law takes effect July first when anti-gun journalists forecast the streets will run with blood.  I doubt it since eight states allow some firearms onto school campuses.

John:  Retired elementary school teacher Laura Getty was diagnosed with breast cancer on Valentine’s Day. Her son Jeffrey, also a teacher, developed a lesson plan to help her conquer her fear. Since she had never fired a gun before, he took her to the Palmetto State Armory range in Greenville, SC where they live. Laura says she found it very therapeutic as all she had to do was focus on the target. Afterwards, Jeffrey sent the range a thank you note explaining the circumstances. PSA was so touched that they built up a hot pink custom AR-15 for Laura  as a gift. They also made a second one that they are raffling to raise money for her treatment. They have now put that raffle online because demand was so strong.

Rachel- Shane Kinney is an NRA member.  He is also a 16 year old and works a part time job at his local gun club.  He wore an NRA shirt to school and served a one day suspension when the school vice principal told him to turn the shirt inside out.  Shane refused.  “I’ve worn other shirts before with guns on them.  I was never asked to cover up. I think this happened because it was an NRA shirt.”  Officials at the school cited the dress code which prohibits any clothing that might incite or encourage “violent activities.”  Grand Island High School is located between Niagara Falls and Buffalo, New York.  Sounds like the school administrator flunked the Zero Tolerance for Stupid test.

Rachel – A group of over 100 Texans with CATI-TX (“Come And TAke It”) open carried their rifles and shotguns through downtown Austin during the SXSW festival again today, and I was again privileged to be among them. The light rain might have dampened our clothes and rifles, but it didn’t dampen spirits among the men, women, and children who participated. During the months that these activists have faithfully done their safe, peaceful, friendly open carry walks, the attitude of the APD has changed, and they now come out and shake our hands and even escort us to make sure no one messed with us. Hooray for peaceful, effective grassroots activism!

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On a sad note: a car plowed through barricades a couple of nights ago and killed a few SXSW participants and injured almost 2 dozen more. I guess barricades and signs don’t work so well – for banning either guns or cars….

John: We all know it is easier to ride a bicycle downhill.  It is also easier to promote a cause with a sympathetic news media to inflate your claims.  But what would the media say if they had an anti-gun rally and nobody came?  26 bicycle riders rode from Newtown Connecticut to Washington DC to carry their anti-gun message to the nations capital and provide a media moment for politicians who hate self-defense.  If you look closely at the photos of the rally, it looks like the riders and politicians were larger than the crowd.  Some of the bicycle riders said they received considerable support along the route from the New Jersey police.  Let’s see a show of hands if you’re surprised.

Anyone?

Rachel – A statewide grassroots group in California gathered over 60,000 signatures to date proposing  quote- “a state constitutional initiative ensuring the right to bear arms for all individuals and guarantee the right of all individuals to lawfully use a firearm for personal and property protection, hunting and sport shooting.” California Gun Rights is attempting to collect over a million valid signatures by the May 20 deadline. They posted downloadable copies of their petition in both legal and letter sizes for circulators to use.  California is one of only six states that lack second amendment language in their constitutions.

We have an interview with Miguel Gonzalez about the Florida bill that might permit school staff to go armed.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Seg 3 Interview with Miguel Gonzalez from the blog “Gun Free Zone”.  Miguel talks about the Florida bill that might permit school staff to go armed and how the Miami Herald lost their mind.

Ask the GunDoc questions with Joe Chetwood.
1. I have a savage 357 over 20 ga, it has a crack on the wood near the selector switch with the piece about to come off, is there any type of glue made just for this type of repair? i don’t do anything with this gun but shoot every now and then so its not critical, just want it to look right

2. I have a pt1911 ar pistol made by taurus and the grip safety does not work. The safety is a little loose at the pin that holds it in place. If i push up on the beavertail safety right under the hammer the safety works. Has anyone had this problem with theirs and if so how was it fixed without sending it back to taurus for repairs. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

3. My Thompson SMG is now back together, but I can’t use it because the ‘headspace’ is off. Is this something that can be repaired (gun is about 25yrs old), or do I have a 45cal paperweight?

4. I have a 1911 and the front sight came off at the range and I couldn’t find it. How can I figure out what height I need if I still have the rear sight?

5. I have a TCP 380. When firing, the slide isn’t cycling and it’s not feeding the next round. Could this be a future gunsmith visit or is there something I can do myself?

6. I have a gorgeous Remington 48 sc 12 gauge. It’s not ejecting the empty shells. It pulls up a new shell but still, the empty isn’t being grabbed out. Is this a common problem with this gun?

7. Type 53 nagant sight removal. I want to remove the entire front sight so I can slide the bayonet lug off, but is the front sight mount also soldered on?
Break and Shelly Sorensen when we come back.

8. Interdynamic KG-99 pistol (9mm) with a 30 round clip. When I put the loaded clip in the weapon and rack the lever to load it, it is tossing the first cartridge out on the ground. The motion of the bolt seems to be catching the first round and tossing it out or, the motion is dislodging the first round just enough that it becomes loose enough for the magazine spring is spitting it out. Or something… Any ideas what the problem may be?

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Rob: Lisa Atkin was sick in bed Wednesday morning and couldn’t go to work.  She was surprised when her three labradors wouldn’t stop barking.  Then she heard another loud noise from the front of her house and grabbed her firearm from the nightstand.  She slowly cleared her way into her home and found Joseph Baker.  She drew her weapon and told Baker to lie down on the floor while she called police.  The police arrived 23 minutes later.  The  Junction City Oregon homeowner said, “We’ve been through the Oregon Firearms Academy courses so we were trained to deal with these kinds of situations.  Twenty three minutes is a long time and while most people in town wouldn’t have to wait that long for a response, it was an incredibly quick response for where we live.” (close quote) The burglar is in the Lane County Jail facing charges of burglary, resisting arrest, menacing, and criminal mischief.

Any comments?

John:  A pizza delivery woman in Fayetteville, North Carolina made an unexpected delivery.  26 year old Ashley Marie Hurd approached a house at about 10pm and asked the man standing outside to be paid for the pizza.  A second man walked up behind her, put something against Ashley’s head and demanded money.  She drew her handgun and both suspects ran.

If I was a pizza delivery driver, male or female, in Fayetteville, I’d carry a handgun, too.

I’d also like to make a comment on this DGU. It is important to note that no shots were fired and it was the mere presence of a firearm that ended this encounter safely for Ms. Hurd.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close and listener e-mail discussion

Paul and Crew,

Got behind listening due to problems with downloading the show via itunes after the name change so these comments are over a few shows.

I. For the guy who disliked the British accent. My father didn’t care much for the British either. No idea why, something dealing with his stay during WWII. I enjoyed my too short stay in England back in the 80’s. Really fell in love with the beer, real beer; definitely not PBR. The Brits do need to take some lessons on how to season their fool Having to salt and pepper pizza to make it edible just isn’t right. I personally like the accent. Brings back memories of watching Mrs. Emma Peel in those nice leather cat suits she wore.

II. With regard to the posting of home addresses and pictures of the various congress vermin. I agree with you however we must not be too worried about taking the high road in this war. There does become a point where one must fight fire with fire. The problem is that there are very few, and mostly ineffective ways, to hold these people accountable for their malicious acts. I don’t think many states have a recall option and it is very rarely possible to hold them legally accountable for the damage and hurt they cause. Roman senators and tribunes were completely immune for their actions but at least once they left office they could be brought to account. No so with out system. They can get away with anything. Look at the disdain the state shyster Corey is getting away with in Florida.

For an interesting, and highly questionable result I suggest reading “Unintentional Consequences” by John Ross. The book is way too long and quite slow in getting started but still entertaining. I just hope it never actually comes down to that extreme. It is rather scary of how some rather radical ideas are much more commonly heard than they were just a few short years ago. In fact, if the state of Connecticut doesn’t get its act together things could quickly degenerate into something very similar and those who are truly responsible, the idiots who made the ridiculous law will never be made to really answer for all the tears that will be shed.

III. With regard to Kathy Jackson’s comments on training. I completely agree that one shouldn’t come in with the attitude that keeps them from taking suggestions on how to improve. However I don’t see the problem with people wanting validation. If one is doing something correctly I can understand them wanting conformation of that. Kind of like how you liked having your skills as a driver trainer validated. Now if they are not willing to accept correction, that is another issue.

She sounded like she really doesn’t like seeing people taking classes who seem to not really need them. Depending on the reason for that happening I don’t understand the problem. There are some who are ready and would like to take an intermediate or more advanced course but can’t due to no formal training. Many instructors and training institutions won’t let people sign up for more advanced training due to them not having any formal training. They have their prerequisites. Completely understandable but someone who managed to acquire the basic skills on their own really have no choice but to take beginning classes. They need to have their skill level formally validated if they want to continue their training. Yes, there are some, many perhaps, who just want to boost their egos, but there are some caught in the middle.

There are also those who repeat classes as a way to renew their skills. It sounded like she didn’t really like having them in her classes.

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These are just some thoughts. I thoroughly enjoy your program and look forward to each episode. Your show, along with Doc Wessons’s “The Gun Nation” are the first two I check for new episodes.

Oh, what happened to Sticks? Did I miss something?

William Harvey

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Castle Rock, Colorado.

There is a rally scheduled for saturday, April fifth from 12 to 3pm.  See the Connecticut Citizens Defense League.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I do.  The ninth circuit rendered a decision a month ago.  The decision was not acted on by the San Diego Sheriff.  There have been four THOUSAND violent crimes in San Diego in that month.  Judges and Sheriffs fiddle while citizens bleed.  The post was up at Clash Daily and I put it up at Slow Facts this morning.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, Also give our friends over at Modern Rifleman Radio a listen!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 219 – Kyle Bacon

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, March 12th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Kyle Bacon of The Search and Assess Podcast
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 219 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
John: Not much on the shooting front from me as I’m still waylaid with my ankle. I did register for my media credentials to the NRA Annual Meeting.
Rachel: Participated in the CATI-TX open carry march in downtown Austin. We did it today since the SWSX festival is going on right now. Great turn-out and lots of positive interaction – except with a Canadian gun rights activist. Also preparing to staff a booth at the A Girl And A Gun conference next week – anyone coming?
Rob: Training has to be fun, so I’m setting up a dry-practice, and dinner evening with friends. I’m also writing my next article.
Paul: Doing the firearms arm and disarm tango as I cross state lines.
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Rob- In California, the right to carry a firearm in public remains tangled in the ninth circuit court. Some counties issue a license, and some don’t. Desert Hot Springs is a town of about 30 thousand in the California Desert. The town is about 100 miles east of Los Angeles, but miles away in attitude. The chief of police in Desert Hot Springs understands the problem facing citizens. In fact, he came out for citizen self-defense. Police Chief Dan Bressler said, “There are a lot of gang members running around the Coachella Valley who are armed… I think it’s time for us to issue concealed weapons licenses to the law-abiding people of this city. I believe this will deter crime and help people feel safer.”

Thank you, Chief Bressler. You sound like the Chief in Detroit and the Sheriff of Milwaukee, so you are not alone.

Rachel- Come And Take It Texas joined the scene at the South By Southwest festival in downtown Austin today. Around 100 peaceful, law-abiding open carry activists carried their long guns up and down the streets among performing bands, food stands, crowds of festival attendees (including international tourists), and hordes of keenly interested media. CATI-TX has a great track record of conducting safe, friendly, educational walks in their mission to educate the public on their rights to carry, their responsibility to stand up for liberty and be prepared for their own defense, and the crime-stopping effect of open carrying.  If you’re in Texas, check out your local chapter at www.catitx.com. [shoutout to whiskey5a & CWW]

Rob- Is anyone else tired of schools with “zero tolerance” policies?  I think it is time we start a zero tolerance of stupidity policy!  This school south of Cleveland flunked the stupid test.  18 year old Jordan Wiser is not on a college track, but I think he is squared away.  He attended Ashtabula County Technical and Career Campus in Jefferson, Ohio.  He has already completed a law enforcement course, and received certificates for Terror Defense and Terror Recognition from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.  He has a certificate as an Emergency Vehicle Operator.  He wanted to join the military and then become an EMT/Firefighter.

That was until he posted a video about playing Airsoft on Youtube.  School officials searched Jordan and demanded his car keys.  He was arrested on felony charges and jailed for 13 days because of the small pocket knife tied to his EMT vest kept in the trunk of his car.

My god but these school administrators need to be fired.  Wake up, Ohio!

Rachel- Last week was Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day, and also the week the Illinois State Police sent out the first concealed carry licenses.  Well I was shocked at the news.  You see,   ten people were shot in Chicago this weekend, and not one of the shooters was a ccw holder.

How can that be?  Where is the blood flowing in the streets?  We were told that Chicago would become the wild west once Illinois had concealed carry.  I guess the news media and the Chicago police chief lied to us.  Illinois license holders are honest citizens.  Darn it.. another broken promise.  If you can’t trust the chief of police and the chicago papers, then who can you trust?

John-The NYPD’s sergeants union believes off-duty cops should be allowed to carry guns in NFL stadiums – and is planning legal action to get the rules changed. League officials notified team owners in September to no longer allow members of law enforcement who are not on the clock to pack heat at games. There are two exemptions – the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans – which convinced the league that Texas gun laws supersede NFL policy, sources said. In those venues, off-duty cops carrying weapons notify officials where they’re sitting – and they’re allowed admittance… http://nypost.com/2014/03/05/nypd-union-challenging-nfls-gun-ban-in-stadiums/

Rachel- Gun owners now will be able to openly carry firearms in El Paso County, Colorado parks. The Board of County Commissioners unanimously changed the rules that had banned open carry.  While the rule change allows open carry, it forbids the discharge of guns, fireworks or explosive device in a county park. Multiple board members also said they did not want to incriminate law-abiding citizens who simply want to defend themselves.

It sounds like Colorado Springs is way more than 100 miles from Boulder.

John- Global Digital Solutions, Inc. – GDSI – which is a penny stock trading on the NASDAQ OTC Bulletin Board made an unsolicited bid to buy Remington Outdoor Company aka the Freedom Group for a little over $1 billion. GDSI is involved in the so-called smart gun technology field and wants to apply their RFID and Wifi technology to guns. GDSI has a market cap of $65 million and a closing stock price today of 86 cents, up 6 cents.  Remington’s response? They called it “attention seeking in it’s worst form”. One side note is that former Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown who may have designs on running for the Senate from NH is a board member.

Rob- A few episodes ago, we reported on the Euharlee, Georgia police officer who shot and killed a teenager when the teenager answered his door carrying a Nintendo game controller.  Well Officer Beth Gatny has a troubled history.   It appears she was fired from her previous law enforcement job.  She sought disability and her claim was rejected because her claim was “not medically supported”.  She was terminated for not showing up to work.  Also, Officer Gatny shot at a suspect opening his backpack because Officer Gatny thought he was going for a gun.  The suspect was not armed, and her partner on the scene said there was no reason to think otherwise.

I hope the Euharlee, Georgia insurance policy is paid up, because this is going to be expensive.

Gun Quotes
Rick Ector has been on our show. He runs Rick’s Firearms Academy of Detroit and has some strong opinions on armed civilians living in big cities. I quote, “If anyone claims to be a civil rights activist and hates guns, he is deluded. Gun rights are civil rights.” Thank you, Rick.

Our interview segment is with with Kyle Bacon of The Search and Assess Podcast. Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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John:  Douglas County [NE] Attorney Don Kleine said no charges will be filed against a homeowner who fatally shot a 19-year-old man investigators said broke into the residence Saturday night… Authorities on Monday said Ronald Green, 66, was watching TV when he was startled by the sound of his front door flying open. Ramon R. Matlock entered the home, and Green ran to a bedroom to retrieve a revolver, authorities said. Matlock swung at Green, and Green fired a shot into Matlock’s chest and another into his lower back, authorities said. Authorities said Matlock ran out the door, but only got as far as the front yard. The Omaha Fire Department pronounced Matlock dead at the scene. Kleine said Green has been cooperating with authorities, even turning over the firearm, which is properly registered to him. Kleine deemed the shooting justified, saying that Green was fearful for his life, wasn’t the one to provoke the incident and had no place to go. Matlock’s family says the incident is a misunderstanding and that the 19-year-old wouldn’t have broken into someone else’s house without a reason.

Rachel: This is from Texas so I get to tell you about it. Last week in Houston, a husband and wife experienced a worst-case scenario that we all hope and pray we will never have to face – but thankfully, this husband was well-prepared and the story has a happy ending. Saturday night, just before midnight, the couple was confronted in a Houston parking lot by a man with a gun who demanded their belongings and cash. Acting in self defense, the husband pulled out his own gun. The result was a dead would-be criminal and an unharmed husband and wife. The case will reportedly be referred to a grand jury, but homicide detectives do not believe any charges will be filed.

Rob: Ken Guffey was in the right place at the right time, and it wasn’t all luck.  After work and on his way home, Ken called his 83 year old mother. They were talking when he heard her scream and drop the phone.  Ken was a few minutes away and entered his mom’s house with his gun drawn.  He had to fight with the intruder who threatened his mother with a shovel.  Guffey was sitting on the intruder and had a gun to the intruder’s head when police arrived.  Guffey’s mother had a heart attack while all this happened and she is recovering at the hospital.  The suspect is in custody of the Seymour, Tennessee police, but hasn’t been charged.

Rachel: A burglary suspect was shot multiple times by the homeowner, according to the Lawrence County, Ohio Sheriff’s Department. On Friday afternoon, Joseph F. Willis forced his way into a home along County Road 19 near the Kitts Hill area of Lawrence County. Investigators say during the burglary, the homeowner was in the house and had a gun. He shot at Willis multiple times, hitting him in the cheek and stomach. Willis left the house and crashed his car into a ditch about half a mile from the home. He was flown to Cabell Huntington Hospital… No charges have been filed against the homeowner. Neighbor Julie Webb says the Kitts Hill Neighborhood Watch program has been growing following numerous home break-ins in the area, and more and more neighbors have been arming themselves. She hopes this homeowner’s actions send a clear message.

Paul – An example of what NOT to do is one of our DGU’s tonight, Police in Jacksonville Alabama say that a Father-in-Law of a neighbor noticed a strange car parked at a house on Tuesday afternoon and approached the car to investigate. The car then drove off. He and one other man then entered the house and confronted a man wearing a bandana. Officers say that one of the men who confronted the bandana wearing suspect fired a shot. the suspect fled and has not been caught.

There isn’t a lot more information on this but I am begging and pleading with our listeners that unless there is a DAMN good reason to enter a house that may have been the target of a crime PLEASE DONT!!!. You put yourself in grave risk, and there is nothing good that can come of it. Call the police, watch the house and be a good witness. Let the police secure the house. Unless you are a sworn officer and have training you should not be going in, and they aren’t going in without communications and backup.

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Thanks to Curtis for that tips and tricks segment on training versus concealed carry firearms.
We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

This is our listener e-mail segment
Rob: We reported on a similar news story last episode, but listener Troy Starkey found this event for us.  Members of the Lone Oak First Baptist Church attracted over a thousand people for their Second Amendment Dinner and Celebration.  Besides providing a steak dinner, the Church raffled off 25 hunting rifles and shotguns.  Guns aren’t that scary.  One of the church members said “Evangelism is risk and we’re taking that risk to share the gospel.”  Most of the complaints were from people who read about the event online and lived out of state.  The dinner and raffle were held in cooperation with the Kentucky Baptist Convention.
Thanks, Troy!

Rachel- Listener Chris G sent in this link to our Facebook page: It seems that some in Michigan feel that it is good policy to make armed people turn their backs on criminals who have already shown that they have no respect for the law and little respect for human life. It sounds like it is time for us to get in touch with Rick Ector again and find out if this thing actually has a chance of passing in Michigan.

John: Also in our mailbag, Greg from Bremmerton sent a link about a New York City raid that seems to have a few issues. It seems that the Department of Homeland Security was lending a helping hand to the NYPD this past week by providing vehicles and personnel. Apparently the snipers providing cover for this raid did not mind using the optics on their weapons in lieu of binoculars, thereby pointing the rifles at innocent people in adjoining buildings, understandably upsetting those who were just targeted. A few things about this story, first I was not able to find any substantiation outside of the linked story and for me that makes it dubious. Second is that if the accounts in the story are true it seems that either the NYPD or Homeland Security snipers need to go back to basic firearms training and learn Rule #2.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, John, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

 

Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

 

Rachel: A Girl & A Gun is holding its national conference in Waco (right between Austin and Dallas) next week, March 20-23. It will include vendors (like me), speakers’ sessions, and live-fire training at a range. Be sure to come see me if you’ll be there!

Also, the next Zombie Biathlon at the Battle Road property in Central Texas is scheduled for April 26. Slots are going fast so sign up quickly if you want to come shoot zombies! See www.BattleRoadUSA.com

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: My post on Connecticut was picked up by Mike Vanderboegh’s blog- Sipsey Street, by JPFO, Ammoland, outdoors unlimited, the gun wire, and keep and bear arms. I got 2700 hits, not counting the people who read the article on those sites.  That means some gun owners are paying attention to Connecticut.
Hey, John?  What’s new on your blog, No Lawyers-Only Guns and Money?

John: I did have a post about efforts in at least three states to reimpose a duty to retreat on honest, law abiding citizens. The efforts to repeal stand your ground and castle doctrine laws are coming from legislators in Michigan, South Carolina, and Missouri. We’ve talked about the efforts in Missouri here in the past few shows and some of the unfortunate blowback. As Auric Goldfinger said to James Bond in the movie Goldfinger , “Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.”

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, including our good friends over at Slam Fire Radio.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 218 – Keith Morgan

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday March 8th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonight’s show we’ll talk about firearms news from the wonderful citizens and gun owners of West Virginia.
John: And I’m John Richardson, we’ll talk about defensive gun use.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and could drone on for hours about shooting another IDPA competition.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John:strap in
Rob: And hang on!
Paul: Episode 218 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
John: Nothing new from me since midweek.
Rachel: Slept in today, exhausted from the political work for Texas Firearms Freedom from the past two weeks. Yesterday attended the memorial service of Terry Holcomb, Jr., son of the gun rights activist Terry Holcomb, Sr.. Missed the CATI-Austin walk today but hope to jump in next week.
Rob: How long do I have to talk about IDPA? The competition had 6 stages and took about 80 rounds. El Presedente in 9.6 seconds. (12 shots on six targets with a reload). Barrel stage with 8 targets, 14 rounds, and you had to push two plastic barrels out of the way to get to the bad guys, 16.4 seconds. The plastic barrels were your friends who forgot to run or duck. 85 degrees F when we finished. Ahhh.

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Rob: This bad news has a happy ending.  Mary Shepard and another woman were beaten as they worked in their rural Illinois church back in 2009.  Mary has concealed carry permits in several states, but was disarmed because she couldn’t carry in Illinois.  Laws change with time.  Illinois law changed because of civil-rights activists who defend the right of self-defense and then took on the Chicago political machine.  Illinois gun owners lobby day was last Wednesday.  Mary Shepard received her Illinois carry license on Tuesday.  Congratulations Mary Shepard and Illinois gun owners.  Mary is not sure if she’ll carry in church because she remains afraid to go there during the week.

John: A push for  Bloomberg-style universal background checks failed in the Oregon State Senate this week as it failed to get out of the Senate Judiciary Committee just like it failed last year.

The chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Democrat Floyd Prozanski (PRO ZAN SKI) of Eugene, isn’t giving up his push for more gun control. He has a new bill that would give judges more leeway to deny gun rights to mentally ill people in outpatient programs. It would also require that local law enforcement be notified if someone fails a NICS check while trying to purchase a firearm. However, with time running out in the legislative session, it is doubtful it would have time to be enacted.

John: Scott Zawierucha (ZA WAH ROO CHA) believes in both free speech and gun rights. He had placed a banner of his fence in Hamburg, New York saying “New York is Not SAFE – Stop Cuomo – Preserve Your Rights”. Because of his banner, he was given a summons by the town’s zoning code enforcement officer when he refused to take it down. The town says it violates their zoning ordinance which bans signs or banners on fences.

Mr Zawierucha was to appear in court on Friday. As to the banner, he said, ““I am not taking this down. I have been targeted,”  “I’ve had nothing but positive feedback from people.”

Paul – A bill is making it’s way through the South Dakota Legislature that would make it harder for those that are mentally ill to get guns. This makes me nervous because once on a list it can be exceedingly hard to get off of it.

Paul – A Kansas City Mo state legislator is having to increase security after sponsoring a bill that essentially trashes the castle doctrine and makes a requirement that you retreat before using a gun. This is a bad bill. This is also a bill that it seems has no chance of passing in gun friendly Missouri. This is no reason to make threats. I would not be surprised if the supposed threats were entirely manufactured by the other side, but lets be certain that it isn’t one of our side that is involved.

We ARE above this. we are right, and we are winning. What we don’t need is for someone to make the other side’s argument stronger.

Rachel – The West Virginia Civilian Defense League has had an exhausting couple of weeks working to get some important gun bills through their legislature before the session ended. Their main bill was SB317, the statewide preemption bill dubbed as “One state, one law” – which would prohibit cities and municipalities from making their own restrictions on handgun carry. With deadlines looming, they passed the bill and I bet you anything they’d say it was well worth the work.

From Keith Morgan, president WVCDL:
This is a fight that’s occurred with varying intensity for 21 years. But in the past three, I’ve seen this organization explode in size, scope, and legislative influence. In 2009, Jim Mullins, myself, and two members were laughed out of Charleston’s city council. Danny Jones exact statement was “I’m not interested in talking about that.” This is where we were.

For the past two weeks, I’ve not spent a single day in the capitol alone. WVCDL members have been showing up on their own time and dime, walking the halls with us in black t-shirts, talking to legislators, explaining our point, and sometimes, arguing intensely defending our positions and explaining our logic. Members have seen so many parts of the meat grinder that is our legislature. They’ve seen our legislative friends stand at our side and fight our fight. They’ve seen our enemies come to us with smiles and lies.

Over the past two years, we’ve been in the legislature. We’ve been in the streets. We’ve held dozens of public protests and meetings, and we’ve had thousands of private conversations with friends and associates. And not only have we gotten involved, but we’ve convinced others to join us in the fight for our liberty.

Our membership loves to thank me and our board. Sean Dill‘s favorite response to that is “without all of you we’re just nine people trying to get something done.” With all of you, we are a political force to be reckoned with. And the post powerful piece of that is not the nine of us, and it’s damn sure not me. It’s the thousands of conversations that have happened on facebook, at your work, on ranges, at gun counters, and with your friends and neighbors. It is an awakening that is occurring in this state, and it is YOU that rings the alarm bell raising the apathetic from their slumber.

The next time you look at your membership card or your t-shirt, allow yourself a tinge of pride. Know that your voice is heard, and know that you’ve been responsible for changing the direction of the great state of West Virginia.”

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Rob: There is a lot more to New York state than New York City.  Grace Baptist Church in Troy, New York wants to attract new parishioners to a special Sunday service later this month.  The church sent out a flyer advertising a raffle.  The flyer reads “Win a free AR-15” and “…my peace I give unto you…” John 14:27  Yes, the winning prize is a New York compliant AR-15 rifle.

One state assemblyman supported the raffle saying the rifle is a product that is legal to sell and churches have raffles all the time.  Another Troy pastor said he has been trying to get guns out of the community.  A city councilwoman said there must be a better way to get people into church.  As usual with guns and religion, most speakers talk past each other as they try to make their own point.

I’m for freedom of religion, and for raffles.. and for AR rifles.  What’s not to like?

Gun Quotes
That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms…  Samuel Adams
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this.

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We’ve received preliminary and unconfirmed reports that the head of the Connecticut Peace Officers’ Assn has released an open letter stating that the police will not “be party to the oppression of the people of the state by enforcing an unconstitutional law.” So far 250 LEOs have cosigned the letter.

Paul: NRA letter.

Rob: There was an attempted robbery last Wednesday in Maryland.  I know that Maryland has strict gun laws, but these two guys didn’t get the memorandum.  Two men walked into a jewelry store when one of the men pulled a handgun from his waistband.  He demanded the clerk behind the counter hand over money and put jewelry into their backpacks.  That is when the store owner in the back room grabbed his shotgun and pointed it at the robbers.  They fled in an extreme hurry and were last seen driving away in a brown car.

The good news is that the store owner saved the life of the clerk and no shots were fired.  I bet the brown car matched their brown pants.

John: DGU- There was a daytime home invasion in my neck of the woods this week. In Leicester, which is a small rural community just west of Asheville, 2 men kicked in the door of a home on Dix Creek Rd No. 1 around 11 Thursday morning. The homeowner grabbed a pistol and shot one of the intruders which caused them to flee. A half hour later a man showed up with a gunshot wound at Mission Hospital. This led investigators to arrest Stacey Eugene Lail, 40, and Chico Talbert, 37, for attempted robbery with a dangerous weapon and conspiracy to commit robbery.

Sheriff Van Duncan said the homeowner was within his rights to fire at the intruders. The homeowner was fortunately not hurt in this home invasion.

Rachel: DGU- Miami’s Little Havana is a little safer today.  A security guard at Presidente Supermarket had to take on a machete wielding mad man.  Last Wednesday, the swordsman walked into the store and announced he was going to kill everyone.  They knew he was serious when he stabbed one of the customers.  The store security guard then shot the swordsman.  The report isn’t clear if the security guard pushed the attacker outside or if the attacker pursued the security guard who ran outside.  The sword wielding attacker was shot outside the store and fell to the ground.  He is listed in critical condition.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Greg from Bremmerton sent in a link about a Michigan credit union that changed an anti gun policy.  http://www.m1ccu.org/BeHeard_116.html

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, John, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

John: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

John: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new blog posts you want to mention?
Rob.  I wrote about Connecticut gun laws in an article that came out yesterday.  Politicians and judges can make bad decisions and make us less safe, or they can choose to make all of us safer.  If the judges get it wrong, then innocent gun owners could get killed by police.  At the other extreme, a wise judge could enjoin the Connecticut gun laws until the courts rule on them.  The other 700 words are at my SlowFacts blog.  John, do you have any posts you want to talk about?

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

John: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Paul: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida CarryGeorgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rachel: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 217 – Rick Ector

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday the 5th of March, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talked with Rick Ektor from Ricks Firearms academy of Detroit.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also talk about efficient firearms in our tips and tricks segment.
John: I”m John Richardson from the blog No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money (!)
so climb aboard
Rob:strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 217 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob- There is another twist in the Peruta versus San Diego court case. That’s the case that ruled ordinary citizens have the right to armed self-defense outside the home. Kamala Harris is the California Attorney General, and she declined to be part of the Peruta case.. until it was ruled in favor of citizen self-defense. Harris used to be the District Attorney in San Francisco. Now that the gun grabbers lost, Harris asked the judges on the ninth circuit to review and overturn the decision. She said city government needs the right to arbitrarily deny citizens the right of self-defense. Harris found a ninth circuit judge from… yes, from San Francisco.. who agreed with her.  There remains some hope for citizens on the left coast.

John – Today the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals released its decision in another California carry case and it was a win for carry. Richards v. Prieto was a suit against the sheriff of Yolo County, Ed Prieto, over his restrictive policy for approving concealed carry permits. The court ruled 3-0 that given Peruta, the trial court had erred in not granting the plaintiffs’ motion for summary judgment.  This lawsuit was brought by the CalGuns Foundation and the Second Amendment Foundation and was heard at the same time as the Peruta case. The 9th Circuit heard arguments in 3 cases that day concerning restrictions on granting carry permits – Peruta, Richards, and a third case from Hawaii, Baker v. Kealoha. We are still waiting for a decision that that 3rd case.

Paul – We got a comment on our website that contained a link to an interesting story off of Russia Today.  The article is well worth a read and I would like to read a few paragraphs from it.

An online initiative to soften Russian gun laws by radically broadening the legal definition of self-defense has gathered over 100,000 signatures and must now be considered by parliament.  The petition titled “My home is my fortress” was launched by the Right to Arms organization – a relatively new group that actively promotes the liberalization of gun laws in Russia. The essence of the proposal is that any resistance citizens offer to intruders inside their homes must be considered as necessary self-defense.

Currently, the law only lists as necessary self-defense the actions aimed at protection of personal safety, and against actions that threaten or could potentially threaten human lives. Charges of murder or inflicting grievous bodily harm can be lifted if the suspect proves that he was necessarily acting in self-defense. The Right to Arms initiative suggests that if a confrontation takes place inside a home between the owner and an intruder the burden of proof lies on the intruder.The activists claim that this would prevent cases in which people faced trial and sometimes conviction for protecting themselves and their families against violent aggressors.

The explanatory note posted together with the draft reads that the current situation is very unbalanced – breaking into other people’s homes is considered a much softer offence than murder or grievous bodily harm. Because of this, ordinary citizens fear to resist intruders and become easy victims.

In addition, the activists suggest broadening the legal definition of “home” and include not only the official permanent residence, but also places of temporary lodging, like hotels and holiday homes. They also suggested altering the criminal code and making unsanctioned entry into other people’s cars a crime punishable with a heavy fine or up to 2 years behind bars – currently it is only prosecuted if the aggrieved party manages to prove the intention of theft.

Rachel -The American Civil Liberties Union of Missouri filed a lawsuit today.  The case started last July when Jordan Klaffer was slapped with a court order to remove social media postings criticizing a police officer in southeast Missouri.

Klaffer often fired his gun on his own property.  Police officer Jerry Bledsoe responded to a noise complaint and confronted Klaffer. Klaffer videotaped the interaction where Officer Bledsoe demanded that Klaffer surrender his guns or be arrested.  Klaffer refused and was arrested for disturbing the peace.

Klaffer then posted recordings of the encounter on YouTube and Facebook.  Officer Bledsoe then obtaining a court order demanding that Klaffer stop posting videos, pictures, and text data criticizing the officer.  The ACLU objected and said, “A government order prohibiting criticism of government is the worst kind of censorship.”

Rob- There are risks when a University bans licensed firearms.  Students are the disarmed on campus.. and off campus.  PJ’s is a restaurant on the edge of the Ohio State university campus.  Students eat there, work there, and are also robbed there.  A robber said he had a gun and demanded money from the PJ’s cashier.  He threatened to shoot the cashier, a student at OSU, if she did not open the cash register and hand over the money.  She complied and was not injured.. this time.  Others aren’t so lucky.

John – We have an update from the NFA on that situation in Canada where the RCMP changed the classification of the Swiss Arms PE-90 Classic Green Carbine to prohibited after saying it was OK for 10 years.  Minister for Public Safety Steven Blaney will be introducing a five-year amnesty period for owners of these now prohibited firearms. This amnesty covers possession of these firearms only. It is unclear whether this is a temporary measure pending changes to the Firearms Act and Criminal Code or the end of the matter.

Paul- Also at school, three teenage students were shot at an Ohio high school last year.  Their families have sued the school for failing to address the threat and protect their children.  Putting up signs that announce the school is a gun free zone, well that isn’t enough to stop a threat.. and it isn’t enough to stop lawsuits.  We’ve had Jim Irvine and Joe Kalil on the show in the last month, and both of them train school staff to protect students.  It is time school boards listened.

John – As part of President Obama’s decrees, pardon me, I meant Executive Actions, regarding guns in the wake of the Newtown shootings, the Dept of Justice appears ready to release 3 changes to the NICS or National Instant Criminal Background Check System. The first change grants Indian tribal police access to the NICS database. The second would authorize law enforcement agencies to run background checks before returning firearms seized or confiscated during the course of investigations. And the final rule change would allow the electronic storage – a database in other words – of all denials of gun purchases that had been denied by the NICS system.

Rachel- Senator Rand Paul opposes President Obama’s nominee for Surgeon General.  Doctor Vivek Murthy is the co-founder of Doctors for America, which grew out of the campaign organization Doctors for Obama.  Quoting Senator Paul, ““We are asking Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to withdraw Murthy’s nomination.  Every other word that comes out of Murthy’s mouth or through his tweets is something condemning gun owners, condemning the NRA.”  Senator Paul said he’d filibuster Murthy’s nomination.  The NRA objects to Murthy also.  It sounds like Senator Paul needs could use our help.

Gun Quotes
The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops. — Noah Webster

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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We have an interview with Rick Ector. Rick is a firearms instructor in Detroit, and Detroit had four gun owners successfully defend themselves this week.
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Rob DGU- James Cvengaros (SVEN-GAR-OWZ) lived every gun owners nightmare. The resident of Pocatello Idaho heard the upstairs apartment being broken into. That is when (SVEN-GAR-OWZ)’s girl friend called the police.. for the first time. Then they heard a second apartment being broken into and called the police again. That is when (SVEN-GAR-OWZ) retrieved his handgun. A man then kicked in (SVEN-GAR-OWZ) door and threatened him with a machete.  The homeowner asked the man to stop several times before he fired his gun.  The assailant is in intensive care and expected to live.

 This is a horrible experience for anyone.  The best that can be said is James and his family were not hurt.  I’m sorry for all concerned, but thank you, James (SVEN-GAR-OWZ) for stopping this attack before it became worse.

John- A Fenton, Missouri woman shot at intruders who entered her home. Two men entered through the front door of her home at about 3 a.m.   Awakened by the noise, she  got up, grabbed her gun and went downstairs to investigate. She fired three shots, and the men ran away. The Jefferson County Sheriff’s Department continues to look for suspects.

Rachel: In Palm Beach Gardens Florida Police say 81 year old Rosco Rock was at home with 2 females whom he rented rooms to when a 39 year old boyfriend slashed the tires of one of the women and forced his way into the house. on Saturday March 1st.

According to investigators, Rock retrieved a handgun and shot the intruder who was arguing with the women, the intruder aggressively approached Rock and then Rock shot him. The intruder was transported to the hospital where he is not expected to survived.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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I want to share this story with you. A 10 year old is suspended for 3 days for pointing his finger gun at his schoolmate. I really thought Ohio schools were above this. I have contacted the father of this young man and offered to contact any school administrator he see fit. I find these overreactions embarrassing.  I’d like to welcome John to the show. John you’re doing great.
Marc from Ohio

We also heard from Greg in Bremmerton who wanted us to discuss the recently released  G2 Research RIP ammo.

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Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Go check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Castle Rock, Colorado.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

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Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John:    since the Canadians are listening, join CSSA and NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 216 – John McGregor

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, the first of March, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we interviewed John McGregor from the Sig Sauer Academy.
Rob: I’m Rob and we’ll also have news, defensive gun use, and a tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson.
John: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 216 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob: Shopped for a gun on Friday.
John: You were at a Law Review symposium on the Second Amendment.
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Rob -New Jersey, heads up!  The Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs told us that the State Assembly is considering a bill reducing firearms capacity to 10 rounds.  There is no grandfathering or amnesty period in Assembly bill A2006.  This legislation outlaws many tube fed 22 caliber rifles by Browning, Marlin, Mossberg, Remington and Winchester.  Remember, magazines in New Jersey are fixed.  First the state required that magazines can’t be removed.. and then outlawed the part they required be fixed to the gun.  Violation of the law is a felony with a three year minimum sentence.

John- From our colleague David Codrea, the California Department of Justice added a so called “smart gun” to the handgun roster.  Of course, the smart gun doesn’t meet the required microstamping requirements.  Cal DOJ said the gun was admitted before the microstamping requirements went into effect.  No schedule was released.

Paul- Also from David,  a knife wielding gang killed 27 people in a China train station.  109 were injured.  Eventually the police arrived and shot some of the attackers.  Once again, disarming innocent citizens does not protect them.

John- It proves that Chinese politicians care as much about the safety of their citizens as New York politicians.

Rob -So much for background checks.  A total of 9 new rifles were stolen from the gun safe at a Memphis area Wallmart.  Most of our listeners are aware that criminals use stolen guns for crime and don’t bother with registering their firearms.

Paul- Criminals know background checks won’t stop them.  If only politicians were as smart as criminals.

John -One of the first prosecutions under New York’s SAFE act was brought to court, tried.. and dismissed.  Police officers stopped Paul Wojdan when Wojdan was a passenger in a car the police pulled over for speeding.  His registered and permitted firearm was in the glove compartment.  He had more rounds in the magazine than are permitted by New York law.  Lockport City Judge William Watson dismissed the misdemeanor charges since the the magazine was searched without a warrant.  Now, Wojdan wants all six of his firearms back since the Niagara County Sheriff’s Office confiscated all of the guns listed on his pistol permit.

Rob: California Attorney General Kamila Harris requested an en banc review and reversal of Peruta V San Diego.  She is shocked that the common people want to protect themselves.  Why, law enforcement has to grant licenses to mere commoners, gasp.  Harris used to be the District Attorney of San Francisco.

Paul- Also in California, Sheriff Adam Christianson of Stanislaus County, California wrote a defense of concealed carry licenses for the local newspaper.  The court’s recent rulings have no effect since Sheriff Christianson already issued permits on a shall issue basis with licenses increasing by another ten percent last year.  The police budget is being cut and the Sheriff hopes that criminals think twice now that citizens are armed.  The biggest problem the sheriff faces with license holders is that some drive while intoxicated.  Quoting the Sheriff, “I’ve heard plenty of rhetoric about abuse, vigilantism and other predictions of doom and gloom related to the issuance of concealed carry permits. To date, we’ve not had a single incident or occurrence where that has happened.”

John: Sounds like the sheriff is smarter than the attorney general.

John- A Michigan state senator has introduced legislation simplifying the process to receive a concealed carry license.  Sen. Mike Green introduced Senate Bill 789 which would decrease the renewal fee from $105 to $90 and use the Michigan State Police to run background checks.

John: Comment on Canadian RCMP changing their regulations. On Feb 27th at 10 pm, the RCMP reclassified the Swiss Arms PE90 – the Canadian equivalent of the SIG 551 – from being either unrestricted or restricted to prohibited. 10 years earlier that had said the firearm was OK to own. The approximately 1,800 Canadians who bought one over the last 10 years have to turn them in and will not be compensated. They have suggested gun owners ask their dealers for refunds.

Rob- In Illinois, the first 5 thousand concealed carry licenses were scheduled to be printed and mailed yesterday.  These licenses are for the initial applicants who helped check out the statewide applications system.  Most of them are firearms instructors.  We should be getting pictures from our friends in Illinois by mid-week.

Paul- That reminds me that Illinois Gun Lobby Day (IGOLD) is coming up next Wednesday, march 5th.  The website is I G O L D . I S R A .org  of do a websearch on IGOLD.

John- Comment on the gun owners law seminar.  Blackman talked about 3D printing of guns.  Plans and drawings are protected speech under the first amendment.

Rob- Domestic violence victims in Kentucky could apply for an expedited permit to carry a concealed gun under a bill passed by the Kentucky House. House Bill 351 would allow the state to quickly issue concealed-carry permits for 45 days to people who have received court protective orders in abuse cases. The Senate Judiciary Committee approved a similar bill, SB 106, on Thursday.  That is some good news for people in trouble.
Paul- Gun Quotes-
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel.” —Patrick Henry
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back with listener comments after this

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Mike Vanderboegh strongly worded letter-
Paul: We had a comment on the website:
I took Robs side on Mike Vanderbough releasing names of the politicians voting for CT’s latest anti gun legislation. I completely understand where you were coming from with not releasing addresss’s.
That was until you validated your opinion. That’s when I felt stabbed in the back. You said “they did nothing wrong” until they do i.e. gun confiscation, the names and address shouldn’t be released.
That means you don’t believe that anti 2A bill CT just passed is wrong. They totally infringed our 2A rights. They already did wrong, you just pulled a Guns & ammo Metcalf moment.
That’s really bad, real bad.

John:
Rob: We disagree. Did you read Mike’s letters? You trust Connecticut gun owners with an AR, but not an address? I’m sorry, but I don’t get it.

Mike posted the names and addresses of Connecticut legislators who outlawed the AR15 and standard capacity mags. You say that Mike Vanderboegh is inciting violence by posting the names and addresses of Connecticut politicians. I think he is helping to reduce the likelihood of violence. You say he is creating a problem. I say the Connecticut politicians created the problem and Mike is trying to minimize the result.

This is how we got here. The Connecticut politicians outlawed the most common rifle in America. In legal terms, it is a firearm in common use”. Existing rifles must be registered. Most gun owners declined. These same politicians then told CT gun owners to turn in their firearms or face arrest and prosecution.

I paraphrase Mike for brevity, but this is what he asked honest gun owners to do- “First, we must — we have a moral duty to — use every peaceful way to avoid violence right up to the moment they open fire on innocent civilians.”

Mike asked Connecticut politicians to stop their war on gun owners before it turns bloody. “I am BEGGING you.. to use your power to suspend the enforcement of the new gun laws until they are ruled constitutional or not by the United States Supreme Court.”

We’ve seen police use unnecessary no-knock warrants. We report on them several times a month. We’ve seen honest citizens get killed in those no-knock entries. The blood of honest citizens is not the correct solution for a political problem, a problem the Connecticut politicians created for themselves.

I am afraid the political status quo will lead to bloodshed and I think the Connecticut politicians are to blame. Mike asked moral gun owners to hold politicians accountable for the problem the politicians created. Mike said, “People victimized by their own state authorities in an unconstitutional law.. will blame the people who sent the killers to their door.”

Honest gun owners are not a risk to public safety so there is no pressing need for police action. None. The only risk is to some politician’s reputation. THAT is precisely the problem, and some of the politicians want to mask their political failure with innocent blood. That is despicable. A police state oppressing honest citizens is not a good political solution.

Politicians work for us. They are public figures. They need to be seen and known to the public they serve. That is how the American system works. It promotes violence when government officials live in secret and are insulated from the people they serve. History has taught us that. Mike asked Connecticut citizens to walk up to the front door of these politicians and ask them to overturn their oppressive gun laws. Welcome to democracy, face to face. That is exactly what Rachel is advocating in the Texas caucuses.

If you don’t want to meet and talk to the citizens then don’t become a politician.

Speaking for myself, I don’t want the police to come between the people and the politicians. A violent police state is profoundly dangerous. We’ve seen the police step out of the way before. It is called the blue flu.

It is time for the state police to step back and stop being pawns.

We have a three segment interview coming up with John McGregor. John is an active law enforcement officer as well as being an instructor at the Sig Sauer Academy in New Hampshire.

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John- DGU-A homeowner in Pine County Minnesota heard someone unexpectedly open the door to his his  home at two in the morning.  The homeowner grabbed his handgun and confronted the intruder standing in his living room.  The homeowner held the intruder at gunpoint and called police.  When the police were arriving, the intruder reached for his waistband.  The homeowner fired and the intruder fled.  Police followed tracks in the snow and located a man hiding in a snow bank behind a tree. The man was treated for hypothermia then booked into the Pine County Jail.  A vehicle, connected to the suspect, was found nearby.

Paul- DGU- This is sad news.  A young robber died and three young people face murder charges.  Two young men attempted a robbery armed with a 20 gauge shotgun.  Two accomplices waited in a get away car.  They demanded drugs and money from a homeowner in Hubert, North Carolina.  The homeowner secured and fired his 22 caliber pistol wounding the gunman.  The four fled, but crashed their car into another vehicle while en route to the hospital.  The 21 year gunman was taken to Camp Lejeune Naval Hospital for treatment, but was later pronounced dead.

Rob- DGU- A pizza delivery driver shot and wounded two robbers Thursday night in northwest Harris County, Texas.  Two men armed with guns and wearing bandanas over their faces entered the Domino’s Pizza Parlor and demanded money.  The delivery driver was in the store at the time, and had 25 years experience as a Harris County  Deputy Sheriff.  He drew his duty weapon and fired, injuring the two gunmen.  The gunmen were transported to Taub Medical Center in critical condition.  Neither the deputy nor other Domino’s employees were injured.  A Vice President at Domino’s pizza said they have a no weapons policy, but this a very unusual situation since their delivery driver was also an officer of the law.
Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob: Listener e-mail discussion
Email from Shawn in Ohio:
Enjoyed the show. I am a resident of Ohio and a graduate of TDI’s F.A.S.T.E.R. Program sponsored by Buckeye Firearms Ass. It was great to hear your interview with Jim Ervin.
Shawn

Email from Ian:
Hi Paul, your initial reaction was not too surprising at the guy who wanted the English lady’s introduction removed. Your justification and emotional response was a pleasure to hear.

Thank you.
The reason I thank you?

I’m English, and I am also partner in a firearms training company called FAST OC down here in California… where I have had the pleasure of teaching quite a few Americans how to shoot. With my English accent.

I am also very community orientated and grow sick of the small minded idiocy of a percentage of gun owners that simply do not understand what they are saying… and how bigoted they are. It gets really weird when they are contradicting the fact that we are talking about, as you rightly pointed out, a human right. So few people seem to want to push back and explain that, and so the ignorance perpetuates itself.

Wouldn’t it be a bit weird if only American Citizens could keep and bear arms? It would make American citizens a protected class, missing the whole damn point of the 2nd Amendment!

As for Piers Morgan… I know the UK doesn’t want him back. There are two types of people back in the homeland. Those who despise Piers Morgan, and those who REALLY despise Piers Morgan.

Anyway, thanks again for making your position clear and thanks for the podcast. It’s one of the finest.
Regards,
Ian

John: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I have two of them.  One of them covers the expected backlog of carry licenses.  We expect 60 thousand applications in my county alone.

I wrote another post called Crazy Gun Laws for Us, but Not for Them.   Over and over we’re told gun regulations are essential to save lives, yet each time these public safety laws are written, public safety officers are the first to receive exemptions.  You can tell an abusive law when the politicians exempt themselves and other government employees.  That post was picked up at Clash Daily and Ammoland.  Both are on my blog.

John, do you have any blog posts that you want to talk about?  I wrote about the Canadian RCMP re-regulation at http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2014/02/interesting-controversy-going-on-in.html

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John: since the Canadians are listening, join CSA and NFA And Grass Roots North Carolina.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.