Episode 207 – Guest Host Rachel Malone

Rachel: Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Tom: Welcome to Episode 207 recorded on Wednesday, the 29th of January, 2014. I’m Sticks.
Rob: I’m Rob and on tonight’s show we have an interview with author, podcaster and firearms trainer George Hill.
Rachel: I’m guest-host Rachel Malone, instructor, writer, speaker, and gun-rights lobbyist from Austin, Texas. We also have an interview with Luke Wagner of the newly formed Colorado Second Amendment Association.
Tom: the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Seg 1
Catch up with each participant.
Rob: Setting up another new shooter’s night. Been too sick to dry practice.

Rachel: I was at the Gun Rights Across America (GRAA) rally at the Texas State Capitol January 19. I was honored to speak, encouraging participation in the legislative and elections process, and afterwards I got to carry my AR-15 in an Open Carry walk down 6th street in downtown Austin with Come And Take It Austin.

– taught a CHL class
– working with gun rights/open carry group leaders from across TX to prepare for legislation
– voted in an election for state representative in which, by 1;30 PM in my precinct, 30 people had voted. On the one hand, that’s depressing (low voter turnout). On the other hand, that’s encouraging (only takes a few people to make a difference). State Representative campaigns can be won by unknown people who know what they are about and who block walk and knock on doors during the entire campaign season.
-met with an A Girl And A Gun facilitator, also been working some with Julianna Crowder, the founder of the growing national organization A Girl And A Gun (fantastic organization!) and also the woman who first helped me shoot a gun (when I took her CHL class) and gave me a great first experience and started me on the path I’m now on
-been setting up Appleseed shoots at some new ranges
-LibertySeed events (history portion of the Appleseed)

Tom: Range time with my significant other.. and paying the bills?

Topic 1
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Seg 2- News
Rachel- a friend of mine, Kathy Perkins, was at the Come and Take It walk in Ft. Worth last weekend. The group stopped to buy Girl Scout cookies, snapped a picture, and sent it to one of the girl scout moms at her request. Well, that picture went viral, captured media attention, and garnered some rather negative response. I was so proud of Kathy, who is the founder of Moms With Guns Demand Action (a group she started in response to the gun-grabber group Moms Demand Action). Kathy did a great Fox news interview in which she explained that the CATI open carriers were friendly, just stopping for cookies, and in no way caused alarm to the Girl Scouts – as evidence by their huge smiles in the picture that started the whole controversy.  http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/24560447/viral-picture-of-north-texas-girl-scouts-guns-draws-controversy  http://www.myfoxdfw.com/video – “Girl Scouts, Guns Controversy” video inclues interview with Kathy

Rachel- Mississippi state Representative John Moore has introduced two Knife Rights bills, both aimed at passing Knife Law Preemption and removing from the list of weapons prohibited from being carried concealed specific knife types, namely “bowie knife, dirk knife, butcher knife, switchblade knife.” Mississippi is unique in allowing two bills from the same sponsor covering the same legislation. While each is worded differently, both HB 686 and  HB 897 accomplish the same goals. This is the SEVENTH Knife Rights backed legislation introduced in 2014!

Tom- A bill before Arizona lawmakers would allow school districts to arm teachers and staff who pass an approved 24 hour training course.  Supporters of House Bill 2412, including Attorney General Tom Horne, say the legislation would protect children and staff in the event of a mass shooting.  The AG said he’d like to put armed police officers in schools full time, but knows that the Arizona budget won’t support that.

Rob- Mexico essentially legalized the country’s growing “self-defense” groups on Monday, while also announcing that security forces had captured one of the four top leaders of the Knights Templar drug cartel, which the vigilante groups have been fighting for the last year.  The government said it had reached an agreement with vigilante leaders to incorporate the armed civilian groups into old and largely forgotten quasi-military units called the Rural Defense Corps. Vigilante groups estimate their numbers at 20,000 men under arms.

Rachel- An anti-gun pediatrician claims that 20 children are injured in firearms accidents each day.  To reach that number, he had to include suicides and 20 year old drug dealers shooting each other.  These numbers are far in excess of the medical statistics kept by the CDC.

Tom -Texas gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis says she is pro-gun and wants to remove restrictions on where gun owners are allowed to carry.  This should surprise any Texas voters who’ve been paying attention.  Davis received an F-rating from the NRA based on her voting record in the Texas Senate.  Davis voted against and then blocked reconsideration of bills allowing license holders to bring their firearms on college and university campuses.  Hmmm.

Rob- from the same stuff, different day file, The half dozen bad gun bills vetoed by California Governor Jerry Brown are back for reconsideration.  That included ammunition magazine and BB gun registration. The current bill proposes that all new long guns require a serial number and registration.  That leaves police being unable to tell an illegal gun from an old gun that never required registration.  California gun owners need to monitor their civil rights groups like Gun Owners of California and the Firearms Policy Coalition.  Here it comes again.

Rachel: Closing quote- “Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.”  Said on this date in 1961 by President John F. Kennedy.

Tom: We have to go to break, then we have an interview with George Hamilton Hill (also known as the Mad Ogre).  George is an author, podcaster, radio commentator and firearms instructor.  Hang on, everybody.   After George we have an interview with Luke Wagner of the newly formed Colorado Second Amendment Association.  We’ll be back after the interview and close out the show.

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Segment 3 Interview with George Hill.
Segment 4- Interview with Luke Wagner of the newly formed Colorado Second Amendment Association.

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Segment 5 DGUs
Tom DGU1  Four idiots found out that invading a San Antonio home can be dangerous and is harder than it appears in TV crime dramas.  The four fools attempted to break into an occupied apartment.  The resident told them to go away or he’d shoot.  They wouldn’t.  He did, hitting one of the intruders in the face.  The wounded man was dropped off at the hospital.. which was where the other three were arrested.

Rachel  DGU2  A robber was found on the roof of a Tulsa home where he was held at gunpoint until police arrived.  According to the police report, a small bag of methamphetamine was found on the suspect.  Ya think!?

Rob DGU3  From the Bad Cop file.  A grand jury has indicted a Charlotte police officer for voluntary manslaughter in the fatal shooting of an unarmed former Florida A&M football player.  The indictment was handed down Monday hours after a judge ruled the North Carolina Attorney General’s office could resubmit the case to a grand jury.  Investigators say Officer Randall Kerrick shot 24-year-old Jonathan Ferrell ten times on Sept. 14 as Ferrell looked for help after a car crash.
No donut for you, Officer Kerrick.

Tom DGU4 It’s cold outside.  A man entered a Sonoco gas station in Knoxville Tennessee Sunday night wearing a white facemask.  The masked man then claimed he had a gun and demanded cash.  The clerk then proved he had a weapon as he drew and pointed his weapon at the thief.  The thief was last seen running southbound at a high rate of speed from the store at 600 Ebenezer Road.

Segment 6 Show close
Tom- We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is here.  Yes, they will get you the Polite Society Podcast.

Rachel- You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Tom: That’s 605- 215- 1438.  Rachel, you have a nice voice.  Can you answer the phone for a while?

Rob- Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Tom- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in early March.

Rachel: Battle Road USA is having a Zombie Run ‘n’ Gun biathlon on April 26 in Central Texas.  This is a company I work with and I’ve participated and worked the Zombie Run.  It’s a super-cool and fun event for testing out gear.. on, and also for shooting zombies. http://battleroadusa.com/

Rob- Also check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and Please go over and check out http://www.ahib.us/ Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting is running the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Tom: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,

Rachel: don’t forget my group at Texas Firearms Freedom,  Also support the Texas State Rifle Association. and  Tennessee Firearms Association

Tom, That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob, stay safe,
Rachel, be aware,
Tom, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 206 with Kathy Jackson

Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast recorded on Sunday, the 26th of January 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: we have a full interview with Kathy Jackson, a ton of news and a few DGUs. Paul, what have you done with guns?
Paul: Practicing the gun-shuffle as I move from State to State. I’m in Illinois this morning so it is sitting next to me but I can’t carry.
Rob: I ran another girls-meet-guns evening which is a touch and talk event to take the fear out of firearms. A local journalist wants to have a gun lunch because she wants to get over her fear of firearms. I have to buy a sub compact because that size is missing from my collection. Want to loan me one, Sticks?
Topic 1
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Seg 2- News
News 1  Five people were shot and an additional three killed at the Columbia, Maryland Mall.  The shooter knew his intended victims and preliminary police reports call this a domestic dispute.  Somehow the double secret overlapping gun free zones failed.  I’m shocked to find that the gunman disobeyed both Maryland and the malls gun free zone signs.  Shocked, I say!
The solution is obviously more signs to show this is really a gun free zone.  I guess the gun-free zone was under repair and no one noticed.

News2  Connecticut legislators discuss an amnesty period after fewer than 4 percent Connecticut firearms owners registered their long guns and magazines.  Can a state prosecute ten percent of its population?

News 3  We have more arbitrary prosecution of firearms laws from the People’s Republic of Washington DC.  Mark Witaschek’s  (WHIT-A-SHEK) townhouse door was smashed in by police during a warrantless search after his ex-wife reported he had an unregistered gun in Washington DC.  No guns were found, but the police caused an estimated ten thousand dollars damage during their raid.  They later came back and found a single misfired shotgun shell and a package of plastic patches used when hunting with a muzzle loading rifle.  A judge threw out other evidence because of the warrantless search.  The shotgun shell does contain propellant, but the shell can not be fired because the primer has been struck.  The patches are neither projectiles, powder or primer.

DC government has withdrawn the charges when they botched earlier firearms prosecutions.  According to Witaschek, the DC government continues to prosecute him in order to avoid counter-charges of harassment and malicious prosecution for their obviously botched investigation.

This governmental abuse, dear listener, could happen to you.  Call your representatives and ask them to give the DC attorney general a call to stop it. Call 202-224-3121 and ask for your senator or congressman.

News 4  Smith and Wesson joins Ruger in removing their pistols from the California market due to the state’s microstamping requirements.  Only guns on the California Department of Justice approved roster may be sold or imported into the once golden state.  Existing firearms will fall off the roster during the next year.  California gun owners hope other gun manufacturers will follow the example set by Smith and Wesson.  In addition, they hope manufacturers will also deny sale of firearms or repair parts to California law enforcement agencies since the same firearms are denied to honest California citizens.

Ronnie Barrett had it right!

News 5  An audit found that Philadelphia mis-spent a half-million dollars of federal money in their city’s gun buyback program.  The program director gave himself a raise of over 85 thousand dollars, for a salary of  287 thousand dollars a year.  In addition, federal funds were used to pay 30 thousand dollars a month to rent a building that was used one day each month.  The discredited director said his salary was justified since he also fulfilled the duties of a grant manager, public relations director, office manager and outreach coordinator.  Right.  And I was a sanitation specialist when I picked up my own room as a child.

I’ll argue that ALL gun buyback money is misspent.  They are spending 2500 dollars per firearm for old, rusted shotguns.

News 6 Here is some good news from New Hampshire.  State lawmakers proposed that gun records would be exempt from state right-to-know laws under a bill that seeks to prevent the release of the names and addresses of people with concealed weapon permits.

News 7 And more good news from Colorado. We reported on this proposal in our last episode, and now a Colorado Town Lifts its ban on Open-Carry. The Castle Rock town council debated and then repealed its concealed carry and open carry restrictions. People in Castle Rock will should soon be able to openly carry guns in public buildings and parks. By a 4-3 vote, the Castle Rock town council repealed the ban on open carry of guns in those locations late Tuesday night. More than 60 residents spoke out on both sides of the issue. The council will meet again this Tuesday for a second reading of the law, but that is expected to be largely a formality. Once that happens, open carry will officially be lifted next month. This is a reminder that there is more to Colorado than Boulder and Denver.

Host asks for comments before moving on.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.
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Seg 3 Interview with Kathy Jackson
This is our first chance to catch up and collect impressions after SHOT show. What were some of your impressions. (thoughts on “booth babes”) Kathy: many of them are shooters!

Tom: How do I prepare for competition? Kathy: Take a class! A class presents the correct model so you can practice properly at home.

Paul: I know from experience in teaching truck drivers that it can take forever to unlearn a bad habit, I am guessing that is just as true in firearms? Kathy: Yes! It is harder to unlearn a bad habit than to learn the correct technique the first time.

Rob: What makes a good firearms instructor, and is an NRA certification enough? Kathy: Barely! Self-defense is a very broad subject, and a good background helps you cover the entire field and communicate it to a wide range of students. Look for an apprenticeship program for instructors.

Break

Rob: How do you overcome the “I don’t want to be the worst shooter in the class” objections that keep students from taking a training class? Kathy: Been there, and I was that student! A class is not a competition. Post on Youtube if you need affirmation. Students think everyone is looking at their performance. The world is NOT looking at your target. The students are busy obsessing over their own target. You have to show your skills with your particular problems so the instructor knows how to help you.

Kathy’s tried and true excuses- Gust of gravity pulled your shots low. Coriolis effect pushed the shots left/right. Aim high to reach your goals.

Paul: Has the economy affected the training industry much? Kathy: Social anxiety increased training. The training follows gun sales by about a year. A lower round count has actually helped students by emphasizing perfect technique rather than emphasizing a high repetition count.

Tom: You teach a lot of classes all over the US, do you do indoor range classes, and are they as effective as outdoor classes? Kathy: An outdoor range is more flexible and more comfortable with less noise.. except for bad weather. Student how have trouble moving and standing are more comfortable indoors. Indoors also allows easy “low light” training. Good training prevents poor performance, including shooting into the ceiling of indoor ranges.

Break.
Paul: About a year ago we slaughtered some sacred cows on the show, care to slaughter another? Can the habits you learn in competition get you killed in real life? Kathy: It depends. Mindset is critical. Reality requires flexibility. Practicing unrealistic actions can be dangerous. A more realistic danger is to NOT practice because you’re accepting poor performance.

Tom: Is dry fire the best practice?   Kathy: Competition spurs us to practice at home.  Practice consistently safe “dry fire”.  Look at the dry fire page on the cornered cat site.

Paul:  I really liked your pages on trigger control.  Kathy:  Sticks, re-read those pages on trigger control before the Mag40 class!

You would also learn a lot by reading Kathy’s book, Cornered Cat: a Woman’s Guide to Concealed Carry.

Paul: Kathy, I saw a LOT of off body carry options for women at SHOT show, but I know that that isn’t your prefered 1st option, can you speak to off body carry? Kathy: Off body carry isn’t for women only. Carry on body when you can, and off body when you must. Sometimes you bring an off body carry purse even when you carry on body. The purse provides a useful option and you can shift to it when necessary. Unfortunately, off body is not taught enough.

Paul: Tell us about your classes.  Kathy: I have classes starting April 4,5,6 in Castle Rock, Colorado. We have five blocks scheduled. One of the blocks covers off-body carry! The other blocks are handgun retention 1 and 2, and danger 101 and danger 102. They cover when should you shout and when should you shoot. We’ll also practice drawing from the ground.  The block structure lets the student chooses the classes most important to them.

Sticks: I know you have a womans only class coming to Arkansas in March.  Kathy: In early March- Training season is starting up soon.  Kathy: Students need at least a 380 cal handgun, a holster, and three mags or speedloaders. You may be a new shooter, but you must be comfortable with your own firearm and shooting 300 rounds. Cost is 400$ Nighthawk custom training and Jon Hodoway.

Kathy’s blog is the scratching post at her Cornered Cat website.

Host asks for comments before moving on.
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Segment 4 DGUs
DGU 1 Investigators say a man waiting outside a Sumter [SC] jewelry store to rob it at gunpoint turned the weapon on himself after an employee drew his own pistol. Police said the man tried to rob two employees of Galloway and Moseley Fine Jewelers as they opened the store around 8 a.m. Thursday. When one of the employees took out his own gun, authorities say the robbery suspect shot himself in the head after a brief standoff. No other shots were fired, and no one else was injured. Police are still investigating the shooting. (I suppose that this could have been a guy who did not want to go back to prison. However, it also could have been an attempted suicide by armed citizen and the robber may have feared that the jeweler was not prepared to fire.)

DGU 2 A 63-year-old man shot a burglary suspect in the leg about 9:15 p.m. Tuesday night when he returned to his home in the 6900 block of Puget Beach Road and found the intruder, according to the Thurston County[WA] Sheriff’s Office. The man had returned to his home with his wife, and armed himself with a handgun when he heard noises on the second floor of his home, Thurston County Sheriff’s Lt. Greg Elwin said. When the homeowner confronted the burglar at the top of the stairs, the suspect either attempted to assault, or did assault the homeowner, Elwin said. The homeowner fired a single shot which struck the suspect in the thigh, Elwin added. The 27-year-old burglary suspect was not armed, Elwin added. No one else was in the home at the time of the shooting besides the intruder, the homeowner and his wife, Elwin said… Clark said the homeowner is pretty shaken up after the shooting. The homeowner told the suspect to put his hands up, and tried to get him to give himself up before making the decision to use his firearm, he said. The homeowner only pulled the trigger after the suspect attacked him, Clark added.

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A U.S. newspaper conglomerate has considered building state-by-state databases of people who have the right to carry concealed firearms.  Civitas Media, which owns 88 newspapers in 12 states and more than 100 total publications, is planning to use public records requests to build their databases, according to an internal Civitas email obtained by the Buckeye Firearms Association in Ohio.

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Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training. She is next having a class at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in early March

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: My latest article is called “Culture and the Groundswell of Guns”, and its on ClashDaily and my blog.  The surge of firearms sales we see at SHOT show is about more than guns.  We see more people of all types involved in self-defense.  They take more training and more practice.  The popularity of programs like Top Shots and Duck Dynasty shows there is a change in our culture.

Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob will give away his M&P shield to one of his subscribers.

Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and Please go over and check out http://www.ahib.us/ Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting is running the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays and the afternoon drive!

Paul: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the mid-week show, stay safe,
Rob, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 205 – Shot Show Wrap Up

Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society.   This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Hi and welcome to the Polite Society Podcast recorded on Monday January 20th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop

Tom: I’m Tom and on tonights show we still have interviews to air from shot show

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we are still catching up on news and DGU’s from last week

Toby: It’s been so long since I’ve been here I don’t remember who I am, so climb aboard

Tom: Strap in

Paul: And hang on, episode 205 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1

Catch up with each participant and humorously ridicule the no-shows.

Host asks for comments before moving on.

We beat the RoadGunner Podcast to 1000 likes on Facebook, though only by a few hours.

Topic 1

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Seg 2- News

Tom: News #1:  From Breitbart’s Big Government.  On Friday, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo (D), who has been widely discussed as a possible 2016 presidential candidate, told Susan Arbetter of The Capitol Pressroom that “extreme conservatives” should leave the state. He said that “extreme conservatives who are right-to-life, pro-assault-weapon, anti-gay” have “no place in the state of New York.”

Rob: News #2  A Florida gun owner was stopped and searched as he drove through Maryland on New Years day.  There was no probable cause.  The Maryland Transportation Authority Police stopped a him because he had out of state plates and had a concealed carry permit in Florida.  They searched the car and no gun was found after a two hour roadside search.  Yes, this violates federal law.  Of course no charges will be filed against the officers for the illegal stop.

This is another reason to avoid vacation or work in Maryland.  Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York and New Jersey are already on my “do not travel” list.

Paul: News #3 Maine state police cleared their backlog of applications for concealed carry.  Governor Governor Paul R. LePage announced Friday that the Special Investigations Unit within the Department of Public Safety has cleared a backlog of more than 5,000 concealed weapon permit applications since this summer.  This is approximately a 50% increase from 2012.  Way to go Maine State Police, and Maine firearms owners!

Tom: News #4  Speaking of building up a backlog, the number of applications from Cook County Illinois has passed through the 10,000 mark, and that is from Cook county alone.  Statewide applications are accumulating at about 1000 per day.  Now the applications have to be processed, and I wonder if the Illinois application process mymics Obamacare!

Rob: news #5  Approximately 90 thousand guns and magazines were registered in the wake of Connecticut’s new gun laws.  The Connecticut State Police estimated they have a backlog of over 62 thousand registrations waiting to be processed.

Paul: News #6  There is some good news in Idaho.  Chief Judge B. Lynn Winmill of the United States District Court for the District of Idaho issued a preliminary injunction stopping the Army Corps of Engineers from banned possession of firearms on lands under its control.  The judge found that the law applied when the campers are in their tents as well as outside.  The judge left his ruling open for appeal.

Tom: News#7 The Castle Rock, Colorado mayor wants open carry in city buildings. Castle Rock would not be the first city in Colorado to allow open carrying in its facilities.  There are several Colorado cities and towns without bans.  The existing ban in Castle Rock applies to more than just town hall. It governs all town facilities, including parks and the recreation center.

Host asks for comments before moving on.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Paul: DGU#1 has a happy ending with no shots fired.  Two thieves smashed display cases with a hammer in a Gwinnett County jewelry store near Atlanta.  That is when the store owner drew his handgun and demanded the thieves stop.  They grabbed a watch, but dropped it as they fled.  Don’t bring a hammer to a gunfight, and I’m sorry the businessman had his store broken up.

Tom: DGU#2  Involves three young men in their 20s breaking into a Louisville, Kentucky home.  The homeowner was an elderly woman, but she had her 20 year old son there taking care of her during the breakin.  Her son secured a firearm and shot at the intruders, wounding one of them.  The wounded burglar stopped at a nearby gas station and asked for help.  Detectives are continuing the investigation before  pressing charges, but it appears the intended victim did not know the intruders.

Rob: DGU#3 didn’t end well for retired Florida police captain Curtis Reeves.  Reeves was charged with second-degree murder after he shot 43-year-old Chad Oulson to death Monday afternoon.  The victim refused to stop sending a text message to his 2-year-old daughter’s day care provider while both the murderer and victim were sitting inside a movie theater.  The retired captain claimed that the victim threw popcorn at him and that justified the use of lethal force.

Given the way police often have murder charges dismissed, I don’t know if the chief will be convicted even though his actions sound egregious.

Seg 5 Show close

Any extra short topics or humor

Listener e-mail discussion

Email in tonight from Mike in NJ

In Episode 204 you had a story about someone named Marcus Hook in Chester, PA. Being from close to this area, I know that Chester and Marcus Hook are two towns in close proximity to each other between Philadelphia and Delaware. So, the good guy’s name sounds suspicious to me.

Also, I’m disappointed in the show name change. I can see that the show is mainly guns and some politics, but this is what set the show apart from a hundred other gun shows when searching for podcasts. FWIW, “Polite Society” is a good name if you must take “Politics” out.
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Mike in NJ

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You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Tom: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and operators are standing by.  We should get the operators a chair ‘cause we don’t pay them enough to stand up all day.

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training. She is next having a class at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton Arkansas on March 1st and 2nd.

Tom: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and Please go over and check out http://www.ahib.us/ Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting is running the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump.

Tom: We have a new local group on the scene.  We welcome the Colorado Second Amendment Association as a new statewide second amendment organization.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Colorado Second Amendment Association, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the mid-week show…

Rob, stay safe,

Tom, be aware,

Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.

Outro and disclaimer

Episode 204 – with Allen Gottlieb, Pete Brownell and Kathy Jackson

Rob: An armed society is a polite society.. and welcome to the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: We’re recording today’s episode on Sunday, the 19th of January, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, on this show we have an interview with Allen Gottlieb and Pete Brownell
Paul: and we have a lots of news and DGUs as well as the return of Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat segment, so climb aboard.
Rob: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 204 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news- recovering from SHOT show.

Topic 1 BIG NEWS! The Polite Society Podcast will be running on http://www.ahib.us/ Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting is a West Virginia internet radio station that has been focusing on local high school sports and is expanding to include topical talk radio. We will be the morning drive show, on from 7 to 9 am weekdays eastern time!

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Seg 2- News
Paul: News #1 – Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein said he is developing an anti-gun movie with actress Meryl Streep. Weinstein said “I’ll make a movie that makes the National Rifle Association wish they weren’t alive.”  Texas Senator Ted Cruz said “The Hollywood liberal elites, they have their view of things,” “Left-wing propaganda films” rarely do well at the box office and Senator Cruz predicted the movie would be a flop.
My thought is that the same guy who produced ultra-violent movies like Pulp Fiction, Halloween 3 and Kill Bill is suddenly a pacifist and against common citizens having tools for self-defense. The NRA trains firearms safety councilors, “Don’t Be a Victim” instructors, and puts on Women On-Target seminars. I can smell the hypocrisy from here.

Rob: News #2 One of Bloomberg’s MAIG cronies gets sent to jail for a gun crime.  Despite impassioned pleas from family and friends of former Marcus Hook Mayor James Schiliro, a Delaware County Court judge on Monday sent him to jail. Schiliro was sentenced to 10 to 20 months for an alcohol-fueled episode last February in which he had a police car bring a former neighbor – a 20-year-old to whom he said he was attracted – to his home, made him drink wine, and refused to let him leave for 31/2 hours. During the encounter, Schiliro threatened to kill himself and fired a gun into a stack of papers. The man eventually left and later called police… Schiliro is a past member of Bloomberg’s front Mayors Against Illegal guns, also known – thanks to several members of this sort – as Illegal Mayors Against Guns. Schiliro was among 600 local lawmakers who signed a letter to Congress calling for gun-control legislation. His name was dropped from the letter and the MAIG website after his arrest in March.

Paul: News #3 The vast majority of New York county law enforcement has refused to support the New York SAFE act.   Some of the act was declared unconstitutional.  A year after the law was passed, the mandatory registration scheme lacks necessary database software in a failure too reminiscent of the Obamacare website.  Law enforcement officers said the law would do not reduce crime, but could easily trap honest gun owners.

Rob: News  #4 Ruger says it is being forced out of California for sales of its semi-automatic pistols.  “We’re being forced out of the state by the California Department of Justice,” said Ruger CEO Mike Fifer. “The DOJ insists on microstamping, which doesn’t work, and is denying you your rights to have access to these guns.”
California law enforcement agencies are exempt from these state requirements.

Paul: News #5 Very Long time listeners to the show know that I have been incensed by the “Fast and Furious” scandal that the Obama administration wants to go away. This is the DOJ and BATFE operation where guns were intentionally allowed to “walk” across the border after being sold to known straw purchasers.

Now comes word via Forbes Magazine that the whole thing may have been set from the beginning as a secret agreement between the Obama administration and the Sinaloa drug cartel. The Sinaloa would provide information on other drug gangs in return for the US government leaving them to do their business.

The Obama administration has a long history of picking winners and losers economically, now it seems that they are doing the same with terrorist drug smugglers and enemies of governments that border us as well.

Host asks for comments before moving on.
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Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after the interviews to go over some defensive gun use stories.
Seg 3 Interviews Allan Gottlieb and Pete Brownell
Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat Quick Tips
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob: DGU#1  In Chester PA, a robbery victim pulled a weapon on his attacker outside a Chester bar early Sunday, fatally shooting him. A 31-year-old Chester man with a history of previous arrests was armed with a handgun when he tried to rob 22-year-old Marcus Hook about 12:55 a.m.  Hook had a permit to carry a concealed weapon and exchanged fire with the robber, who carried the gun illegally. Both men were wounded and taken to a local Medical Center.  The robber was pronounced dead at the hospital, while the intended victim and successful self-defense victor was in serious condition.

DGU#2  A male suspect is in stable condition after being shot during a home invasion Saturday night in south Houston [TX], police said. According to the Houston Police Department, the suspect smashed in the front window of the Houston home with a piece of concrete just before 11 p.m.   The homeowner heard the noise and grabbed his gun. He then saw the suspect at his front door. The homeowner shot one time through the window, hitting the suspect in the stomach, police said. The suspect tried to get up and come after the homeowner, who then shot him a second time. The suspect was hit in the hand with the second shot. He was then taken to Ben Taub Hospital in serious but stable condition, police said.

DGU#3  A homeowner shot and killed an intruder in his home early Friday morning. It happened after 3 a.m. at the North-West Phoenix suburb.  The 77-year-old homeowner woke up to discover an intruder in his home. The homeowner grabbed his shotgun and fired once. The suspect, identified as 30-year-old William Thomas Mackey, was pronounced dead at the scene. Police spokesman said Mackey did not appear to be armed. One neighbor who heard the shot said she didn’t think much about it because crime has become a common occurrence in the neighborhood.  Police will forward the case to the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office for review after they conclude their investigation.

DGU#4 Also in Phoenix, Arizona, a 70 year old jewelry store owner put a young robber in the hospital.  The woman in her late twenties entered the store in a northern Phoenix suburb and tried to rob the store at gunpoint.  The store owner shot the thief several times and she fled the store.  The intended victim was slightly injured while the thief is hospitalized in critical condition.

DGU#5 From The Blaze and sent in to us from multiple listeners.
An armed man entered a Orrville, Ala., Dollar General on Thursday, waved his gun in the air and threatened to kill everyone, AL.com reports. Though motive is unclear, he never got the chance to hurt anyone because a customer carrying a concealed handgun neutralized him with a deadly shot.

Dallas County Sheriff Harris Huffman Jr. told WSFA-TV that the gunman held a cashier and customer at gunpoint, forcing them toward a break room area. It was at this point that the customer reportedly drew his firearm and shot the suspect one time in the chest. The entire incident took less than five minutes, police say.  The gunman was pronounced dead on the scene.

The sheriff said the customer is not currently facing any charges over the shooting death, however, investigators are working to confirm he had a valid concealed carry permit. Open carry is legal in Alabama, but a permit is required to carry a concealed handgun.

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Any extra short topics or humor
Listener e-mail discussion

Email from Marc in Ohio
I know you guys are busy with shot show but I just had a chat with my kids about the scenario of an active shooter in their school. Maybe you can touch on this in the future.

I asked my kids what they would do if someone came to the school shooting. They answered, the school calls out a code word like “Red” (to protect their actual code I’m using “red”). They turn off the lights close the curtains and hide quietly together in a corner.

I asked them to pretend to be the shooter for a minute. Your intent is to shoot kids. Where do you find kids at a school. They said classrooms. I asked them if it’s easier to shoot a moving target or one holding still. They answered a moving target is harder to hit. Is it easier to hit 10 small targets spread out or all the targets in a small single pile. I asked them why would they hide where a bad guy would expect to find them and hold still in a large group. My kids stared at me in wonderment.

I have instructed my kids to leave the building at any cost. I think it’s better to leave and get to a phone to call the police. Running from a shooter is better than holding still. Being away from the group would be my preference.

Another thing to consider is the school isn’t going to tell the kids what’s happening. It’s going to be hard for my kids to make a judgment call that goes against the teachers.

I have had some active shooter training from the local Sheriffs office. The sheriff told us they won’t do anything other than set up a Perimeter until a swat team arrives. That could take an hour in my remote burg. I don’t want my kid hiding defenseless for an hour. Why is the first instinct a lock down? As you can see I strongly disagree on the lockdown idea in an active shooter situation.

What are your guys thoughts?
Marc from Ohio…..again.
Rob: I have an opinion.  The sheriff is 10 years behind and the huddle and pray response is no long considered best practice.  Law enforcement is now trained to immediately enter the building, and potential victims are not trained to exit immediately.

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Tom: That’s 605- 215-1438 and operators are standing by.  Or they were before they threatened to go on strike because of low pay.

Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register at http://nighthawkcustomtraining.com/classes.html

Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.

Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump.

Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Polite Society Podcast. Until the Monday show…

Rob, stay safe,
Paul, be aware,
Rob, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 203 – Interviews from SHOT Show

We had SO MANY interview from SHOT Show that we are going to have to run them on a few shows. This is the first. Interviews from –

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Coast Lighting

Coast Knives

Crossman

Daniel Defense

Flashbang Holsters

Legacy Arms

G Products

HAVA

International Supplies

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Eposode 198 with Valinda Rowe and Jeff Knox

Paul: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Friday, January 10th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also talk with our guest Valina Roe about Concealed carry coming to Illinois, and Jeff Knox about the simple things we can do to make schools safer. So climb aboard.
Paul: Strap in
Rob: And hang on, episode 198 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Catch up with each participant and humorously ridicule the no-shows.
Host asks for comments before moving on.
paul went to GunUp in Sioux Falls and bought some more Glock 40 mags. I fell in love with a 30 cal Bullpup.
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Seg 2- News
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Rob- Colorado Republican state Sen. Ted Harvey wants to allow school teachers and staff to seek training and then bring firearms into school with them.  Senator Harvey has a son in high school and his wife is a school teacher.  He said the latests shooting cemented his opinion.  The latest Colorado school murders were stopped in 80 seconds by an armed school resource officers and an unarmed security guard.  “I don’t want my wife and child to be sitting ducks,” Harvey said.
One student was murdered in this latest attack.  Maybe she would have been saved if staff were armed.

Paul – At the other extreme, Democrat State Senator Kevin de Leon from California says it is a public danger to let common citizens buy ammunition without a background check  and his new legislation proposes to fix that problem.
Ah..what problem is that, Senator?  Ignore that fact that most drug gangs import thousand of pounds of contraband each year.  Ignore that millions of rounds of ammunition routinely move across the border for legal purposes.  This security theater will sell in California.  Senator de Leon has a future with the TSA when he leaves office.
Oh, did I mention that you would need to pay a yearly fee to purchase ammunition in the once-golden state?

Rob- This next news story is a two-fer.  First, Bloomberg has tossed 30 thousand dollars into the Washington state campaign for gun control by backing initiative 594.  The initiative requires a background check for all firearms transfers, without exception.  We’ve discussed the legal that come up from such measures when  young people under supervision shoot a gun belonging to someone else because they are not old enough to legally own firearms.
Second, the Washington news paper, the Daily Olympian, ran an editorial blaming the NRA (who has not contributed to the campaign) but ignoring Bloombergs donations.  Why let the truth get in the way of a good opinion column.

Paul- The civil rights group Wisconsin Carry is suing the city of Madison Wisconsin over the city’s prohibition of carrying firearms on public transportation.  Quote, “We do know that people who live in high-crime neighborhoods tend to be lower income and tend to rely on mass transit, so for those people to be prohibited from carrying is really a disservice to them and puts them at greater risk.”  That sums up the bigotry of citizen disarmament.

Rob – Heading south from Wisconsin, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel decided not to appeal a federal judge’s ruling that allows gun shops in the windy city.  “The courts have been clear from the Supreme Court on down as it relates to people’s access to guns.”  The mayor asked the judge for a six month delay so he and the city council can draft regulate gun shops, but Emanuel wouldn’t specify any of the regulations he has in mind except the gun shops shouldn’t be near schools.
By my calculation, that puts the gun shops a half-mile out in Lake Michigan.

Paul – This in from the Politics-and-Guns legal department, the Second Amendment Foundation and Association of New Jersey Rifle & Pistol Clubs today asked the U.S. Supreme Court to hear the appeal in the challenge to New Jersey’s unconstitutional carry laws.
The petition was prepared by attorneys Alan Gura and David Jensen to resolve the court split on the right to bear arms for personal protection outside the home.  Scott Bach said, “So far the U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear the issue in other cases, but this case may be different due to the extreme nature of New Jersey’s law, which effectively denies law-abiding citizens their fundamental right to self-defense outside the home.”

Rob -From our Good-Cop file, Officer Lee Smith of the Florence Alabama Police Department offers free gun safety classes to those interested in concealed carry.  Smith said the classes started seven years ago. We want to educate everyone who makes the choice to carry a firearm for defense.  We want to give them all the tools to make them safe and the community safe.”  Gun safety classes are divided into three levels offered monthly, and hundreds of residents have taken the courses.
That is proactive community policing.  Good job.

Paul- From our Bad Cop file, witnesses came forward after a Sheriff’s deputy shot 13 year old Andy Lopez of Santa Rosa, California.  The 8th grader was carrying a toy rifle when deputy Erick Gelhaus called the teenager.  The boy turned and the deputy fired eight rounds, killing the boy.  Witnesses say there was only three seconds between the deputy Gelhaus calling out to the teenager and when the deputy started shooting.
The boy’s parents filed a federal lawsuit against Gelhaus and Sonoma County seeking unspecified damages.

Rob- Russel from Kansas sent a link to us to a post from Canada’s National Firearms Association

Help needed. In aid of an Ontario Court case where the crown is taking issue with the number of firearms held by an individual (over 50), I am in urgent need of photographs of Canadian gun rooms/collections. While it is helpful if the person(s) providing such photos was willing to identify him or herself, it is not strictly necessary. The defence wants to demonstrate to the court that it is not unusual for some firearms collectors to own large numbers of firearms. If you can take a few photos of your gun room/collection to aid in this effort, please send them directly to me at: Sheldon_Clare@shaw.ca Neither the owner nor the firearms need to be identified – the point is to demonstrate that there is widespread ownership of large numbers of firearms in Canada.
The time frame is urgent as this will be in court in by January 15.
Thanks,
Sheldon Clare,
President
Canada’s National Firearms Association

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.

Seg 3 Interview with Valinda Rowe, spokesperson for Illinois Carry
Congratulations on CCW to Illinois and Gun stores to Chicago
You’ve been in this struggle for many years. How did it start?
Bring us up to date.
CCL licenses can now be applied for in Illinois, but the law is let’s just say a little less than clear. Is there an easy way to find out where someone who is able to get a CCL can and can’t do?
Cook county thought they would inconvenience gun owners, but they also inconvenience gun owners in every legislative district.
Can you talk a little bit about IGOLD, what it is and why it is more important than ever?
How can gun owners in Illinois learn about Illinois Carry?
The process of application and 16 hours of training.
$150 in application fees.
Do instructors already have their license?
How much does training cost? About $100 for concealed carry. Another $100 for the NRA basic handgun safety course.
Read more about Illinois Carry at http://www.illinoiscarry.com/

Record with Jeff Knox, director of the Firearms Coalition
Schools- walk through for the unthinkable
Is the front and back entrance to campus alarmed?
Can you secure the door?
Can you summon help?
Can you stop people from seeing into the room?
Has the staff discussed how they should respond?
Has the staff ever exorcised their plan?
If the windows are large or low set, do the windows remain a barrier after being shot?
A large and low set window is a locked door where any bullet acts as the key!
Are there video feeds so that hallways can be seen from a central office and/or remote police station?
Are there armed responders on campus?
Are there armed responders in the neighborhood?
Have the armed first responders had an annual drill on campus just like a fire drill?
See more of Jeff at http://www.firearmscoalition.org/
and at http://www.wnd.com/author/jknox/
Host asks for comments before moving on.
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Segment 4 DGUs and Show close
The DGU last Friday in Vista California-
After talking to the restaurant owner who shot two thieves, the first news reports were inaccurate. The two thieves got out of prison in mid-December. They had already robbed two other stores at gunpoint before they entered this restaurant. The employees of the other stores were not armed. The thieves discharged their weapons in one case to make the clerk open the cash drawer. This time was different.

I met with the employees and some of the customers who were in the restaurant during the robbery. The thieves entered the rear of the restaurant through a rear door that is normally locked. They gained entry by waiting until one of the employees left and then threatened the employee at gunpoint to let them in. The thieves next confronted the owner’s wife who was in the kitchen. The tone of her voice was enough to make the owner suspicious, and he retrieved his firearm. The firearm was a 45 loaded with 8 rounds.

The owner was reluctant to shoot, and yelled for the thieves to drop their guns. They turned toward him rather than drop their weapons, so he fired. They ran. He fired again as they pointed their weapons behind them. Four of his eight rounds hit, though one was a through shot that remained on premises.

The owner did not want to be recorded. He did want to go shooting. I’ll try again when we get back from shot.

Any extra short topics or humor
Listener e-mail discussion

Paul: We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is coming.

Rob: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Paul: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and operators are standing by.

Paul:Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014  Registration is open.

Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Connecticut Citizens Defense League

Paul, we will probably change the show name.  Any thoughts?

Paul: That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns. Until the mid-week show from SHOT…
Rob, stay safe,
Paul, be aware,
Rob, and we’ll see you down the road.