Thanksgiving for Me

Every year you get a multitude of Thanksgiving greeting sating something schmaltzy and wrapping up with “Happy Thanksgiving!” Rather than do that this year I thought I would do this a little more long form.

First, I am thankful that we still live in the freest country on the planet. While things are not prefect here, we have it a lot better than most of the rest of the world. To be in poverty in America is nothing like being in poverty in the rest of the world. If you are in poverty here you likely live in a single family dwelling, and a single family is in that dwelling. In that dwelling there is running water, heat, electricity and even cable TV.

Next, I am thankful that we have men and women who protect and defend this country it is said that less than 10 percent of the US population has ever sworn the oath to defend our nation. I am grateful for those that have. They truly are the reason we remain.

On a more personal level I want to thank the listeners to our show. I started the show back on February of 2011 hoping to help to make a difference. I knew politics. I have been a political junkie for as long as I have been able to understand the process. I thought I may be able to find a few that agreed with me and reach a few here and there. What has happened to the show over the last almost 2 years has been amazing, and humbling.

I want to thank those that have come on board to help with the show, both past and present. Each one has brought their own personality and flair to the show. Raquel, Toby, Mick, Brian, Tom (Sticks), and Rob have all been huge helps with the show and it would have remained a tiny show with a few dozen listeners if they had not helped it grow.

Thanks also goes to the sponsors of the show. Last fall the show was growing, but financial problems were creeping up and I had to make a decision, sell advertising or shut the show down. Not only did the advertisers step up big time, listeners responded in a big way as well.

On a closing note I want to pull back the curtain and give thanks to a few people in my personal life. My kids are amazing, even though they are all grown, and are now giving Susan and I grandchildren. I have found that once they become adults my job as a father isn’t done, but only takes on a different perspective. It’s a good thing I enjoyed the job to start with.

Finally I am thankful for my beautiful wife Susan. We haven’t had a perfect marriage. There have been bends and twists and rocks aplenty in our road, but earlier this year she said after all our problems and issues that she still loved me enough to say “I do” again. I truly would be lost without her and my life would be a total and complete mess.

I have so many blessings to be thankful for this year, I only hope your list of blessings is as rich and fulfilling as mine is to me.

Paul

Episode 183 – Rachel Malone

Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast. I’m Paul Lathrop
Tom: I’m Tom and on tonight’s show we have an interview with Rachel Malone
Toby: and I’m Toby So climb aboard.
Tom: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 183 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.

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Topic 1- Catch up with each participant

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Senator Chuckie Schumer wants to continue the ban on undetectable guns.

Do the right thing in Ohio and you may end up in jail with your weapon confiscated.  An Ohio man will finally get his legally-owned pistol back nine months after police confiscated it following his controversial arrest in February.  He was never convicted of any crimes and his arrest occurred after he called police to report a potential crime in progress.  The city of Cleveland reportedly agreed this week to settle the federal lawsuit filed by Derrick Washington over what he says was the illegal seizure of his .38-caliber handgun. Police had refused to return his gun even after a city prosecutor refused to press charges due to a lack of evidence.

We have some friends in the San Francisco PD.   Gun rights advocates challenged a newly signed San Francisco law that bans ammunition magazines holding more than 10 rounds and gives owners 90 days to hand them over to police.  The San Francisco Veteran Police Officers Association, represented by attorneys from the National Rifle Association, filed a federal lawsuit Tuesday against the ammunition limit signed Nov. 8 by San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee, a Democrat.  (More here)

“There are lots of bad guys and gangs out there with guns coming out of their ears,” said plaintiff Larry Barsetti, who retired in 2003 after 32 years with the San Francisco Police Department. “What leads people to believe if you put law-abiding citizens at a disadvantage by limiting their magazine rounds, that somehow that makes them safer?”

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Chris sent this in to the show’s Facebook page, and we have been seeing it pop up all over the place.  Police are still trying to piece together the events of Monday night after a woman was attacked and then fired shots into the crowd of teens that assaulted her.  Beulah Montgomery, who just turned 60 yesterday, says she was walking home after purchasing lottery tickets when she says a group of teens, 7 of them, approached her. Montgomery initally thought they were going to attempt to steal her purse but says she was instead hit by one of the individuals as a second attempted to hit her. That’s when she grabbed her gun.

“All I could feel was pain and I said to myself I had made it to 60 and I wanted to at least see 61,” she recalled. “Then I started praying and I asked the Lord to guide my hands” Montgomery says she then reached into her purse and and shot in the direction of the teens and they started to flee. However two of them didn’t make without being hit. 

Second DGU- Lexington [KY] police say a would-be robber was foiled Friday afternoon when he was shot by the owner of the Marathon Food Mart. The shooting was self-defense, and the owner was not charged, said Lt. Mark Brand. Brand did not release the identity of the owner or the man who was shot. The injured man was taken to University of Chandler Hospital, and will be in police custody… The owner of Marathon is protected under the castle doctrine, which says a person is not obligated to retreat from somebody breaking into their home or vehicle. The 2006 law says someone is entitled to use deadly force if they “had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.” It also applies if a person is attacked in a public place “where he or she has a right to be.” Roberts said self-defense situations aren’t rare and are seen when people are trying to protect themselves or their property…

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Listener e-mail discussion
From Michael
Paul,
I found your comments on Derringer type pistols to be spot on.  In the stressful event of a lethal force self defense encounter I would much rather have a weapon that has a higher capacity than two rounds. In addition, the manual of arms required to operated this type of firearm is cumbersome under the best of conditions. Every Derringer type pistol I have encountered requires the hammer to manually cocked followed by a very hard trigger pull to discharge the firearm. This complexity would only be compounded in a stressful situation.   This is just my opinion so take it for what it is worth.
Thank you for producing one of my favorite podcast.
Respectfully,

Michael C.
NR/Critical Care Transport Paramedic

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Paul, I need to admit that my wife loves me most. That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show…
Toby: stay safe,
Tom:, be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 182 – David Nash

Paul: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded Wednesday the 20th of November, 2013. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Tom: I’m Tom, and on tonight’s show we have an interview David Nash
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also talk about a Defensive gun use from California as well as 2 other DGU’s, so climb aboard
Sticks: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 182 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news.

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9th circuit issues ruling involving a 2 step inquiry to see if a law infringes on the 2nd amendment.

Eric Holder must provide Fast and Furious documents.  The state can now appeal each request on its merrits.

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Rob: From the Modesto Bee- A good DGU in California.
Albert Anthony Liberini was shot by two homeowners protecting their children.  He was arrested last July in a Modesto public park for possession of drug paraphernalia, possessing a pipe bomb and for giving false names to law enforcement. This time, Liberini eluded police in a car stolen in Modesto earlier in the day.  The police chased the stolen car into Riverbank before breaking off the pursuit. Police believe that Liberini then drove into the country and broke into the home.

The homeowner said, “We didn’t know if the intruder had a gun or what. It never crossed my mind that I might get shot. But I would have taken a bullet as long as he didn’t get through me to the children.”

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Tom : FAIRFIELD, Alabama – A man was shot to death while allegedly trying to attack someone inside a vehicle in the parking lot of a Fairfield apartment complex at 4:44AM, police said. Family members identified the man who was killed as Harvey Lee Ray Jr., Fairfield Police Chief Leon Davis said. The shooter’s identity has not been released.

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Paul: News from the Seattle area- Police said the intruder drove up the driveway at a high rate of speed, broke through a steel gate, mangling it, and then crashed into a car parked in the driveway at 11PM.  The driver then went to the house, pounded on the door, broke some glass and forced his way in. The 67 year old homeowner was punched several times as he fought with the intruder.  At some point, the homeowner was able to reach for his gun and shot the man three or four times, killing him, deputies said.  Deputies said the intruder never said anything to the homeowner as he was breaking in and fighting with him.

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Comment off the website:
Paul : Gentlemen,
The FN FAL is spectacular weapon originating in Belgium in the mid 50’s. 7.62 NATO, robustly built, accurate and wildly popular with NATO countries, with exception of the US. Basically what everyone else in NATO used instead of the M14. My military friends from Britain, Africa and Middle East love this gun like many of us older folks love the M14. Also known as the L1A1 in some variants. The one I have has had the trigger worked over, a compensator type flash suppressor and a very handy folding carrying handle roughly in the center on top. Not a light weapon. Mine has never failed to operate or misfed in any way. Get on board fellas! These are supremely excellent firearms!

Chuck expat in the Russian Federation

Email from Greg in WA,
I am looking forward to the app, I have many on my phone & tablet, I don’t mind having to pay for them, the only one I am “reluctant” to cough up the $150 for is the CoPilot truck app, though I did pay the $10 for the car app.

In the last podcast, Sticks mentioned that he is armed from the time he gets up til he goes to bed& so did you, but what about packing in bed?? You have handled my “pillow buddy”, only two shots, but my 1911 is within reach. You all talk about your semi-auto’s& revolvers, but I don’t hear any podcasts talk about the pro’s & con’s of the derringers,  I like my “little” Bond Arms Snake Slayer.
Greg, Bremerton WA  http://bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/snake-slayer/

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Join your local civil rights group like NJ2AS, Illinois carry, Illinois rifle association, Arizona citizens defense league, Texas rifle association, Texas Firearms Freedom, Buckeye Firearms.  (And if we left your group out, that means you didn’t e-mail us yet.)  Join a local group even if they are in an adjacent state.
Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Sticks, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 181 – Derrick with Prepper Press

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Open: Welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Sunday, 17 November, 2013.  I’m Paul Lathrop
Sticks: I’m Sticks and on todays show we have an interview with Derrick of Prepper Press
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also have a news segment and several defensive guns use stories,, so climb aboard
Sticks: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 181 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
Show read and intro music.

Seg 1
Catch up with each participant and humorously ridicule the no-shows.
Tom changes his name.  Host asks for comments before moving on.  Tom scheduled a class at  Rangemasters in Memphis in February. (Cathy Jackson, Tom Givins, John Farnam, John Hodaway)
Rob: political meetings, but no firearms.
Shoutout to Gun UP.  They have 22 cal ammunition in stock.
Toby is doing “field work” at a gun show.

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Paul:I want to talk about Dick…. Metcalf. Yes he has a first amendment right, but it isn’t better than mine, or anyone elses.  Dick was the technical editor at “Guns and Ammo” magazine.  He posted a discussion asking how the right of self-defense should be limited.   Dick wanted to find the line between regulation and infringement.   That sounded too much like “reasonable common sense restrictions to promote gun safety” to the readers of Guns and Ammo.  Bob Mayne podcasts at Hand Gun World, but funds the show with his own money.  Bob can say anything he wants.  So can Dick Metcalf, but we don’t have to pay for it.

Rob: Another reason to leave California- The California Supreme Court refused to hear CalGun’s challenge to a county regulation which banned firearms in parks.. even for those licensed to carry a firearm.  What can I say.

Rob: A slight ray of hope for the left coast- California Gun Control Advocate Senator Ronald S. Calderon was stripped of committee assignments on Tuesday.  Calderon is under federal investigation for taking 88 thousand dollars in bribes. The Senator is a Democrat from Montebello and also lost a leadership post with the Legislature’s Latino Caucus.  Claderon is against civilian self-defense and supported several of last years the anti-gun bills.

Tom: Yet we have good news from North Carolina- Concealed handguns will now be allowed on playgrounds in Asheville. At Tuesday night’s city council meeting, members voted to amend an ordinance that prohibits concealed and carry permit holders from bringing their firearms to all city parks. Members say they had to go against their beliefs on the issue because they had to comply with state legislation passed earlier this year. The ordinance now allows permit holders  to have their guns on playgrounds, green-ways, bike trails and athletic fields that do not have a scheduled event taking place.  Good work by the pro-gun group Grass Roots North Carolina.

Rob: Where is a woman likely to be attacked?  Yeah, when she runs in a park!

Tom: More NC news-  A controversial gun law took effect on October 1. It lets people with concealed permits carry their handgun into bars and restaurants that serve alcohol…as long as they don’t drink any. Owners of restaurants and bars that don’t want guns in their business must post a sign. And those who have posted signs have drawn the ire of the gun-rights group Grass Roots North Carolina. GRNC is listing on its website restaurants that post these no guns signs. The group doesn’t want gun owners to patronize these restaurants. But don’t call it a boycott, says GRNC president Paul Valone…
Nicki Goeser is a local victim of a homicide in a bar.  Her book is How Gun Control Helped a Stalker Murder my Husband

Paul:Class 3 guns may be coming to MI

The Michigan Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday unanimously approved legislation that would lift the state’s ban on short-barreled shotguns and rifles. Senate Bill 610 would align Michigan with more than 40 other states that allow residents to own such guns if they meet federal requirements.
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/2013/11/michigan-senate-panel-approves.html

Paul :From our friends over at JPFO, MAIG loses another member!
Oro Valley Mayor Satish Hiremath resigned from an organization of mayors who oppose illegal firearms under pressure from a gun-ownership-rights group that called for him to make the move. Hiremath joined Mayors Against Illegal Guns (MAIG), a group with 1,000 mayors in 46 states, more than a year ago. He announced Nov. 6 in an email to the Star that he had resigned.
“I am aware of the efforts of members of Arizona’s criminal justice community and our state Legislature, and I support their direction. It is apparent that MAIG differs from the focus of our state leaders, which is consistent with my views,” Hiremath wrote in the email.

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Rob: DGU1- A pizza delivery driver drew his gun to stop an armed robbery.  Police arrested three suspects accused of robbing a pizza delivery driver of chicken wings Tuesday night in Donora [PA]. According to police, the incident was reported just before 10 p.m. on Short Street. Hal Perry, who works for Italian Pizza Village in Belle Vernon, told police he was approached by three men who demanded money… Perry told detectives that one of the men searched his pants pockets and one searched the vehicle for money. He said the men took off with the chicken wings, valued at almost $18, when he pulled out a gun. “I didn’t know if (the one searching me) had a knife so I took a couple steps back, bent over and drew my weapon. As soon as they saw that, they took off running. As they left they threw something. It turned out to be a pellet gun.

Tom: DGU2- Police say a woman in her 60s shot and killed a man in his 20s early Thursday morning. Homicide detectives are still investigating a shooting death at a home in the city’s east side near East 68th Street and The Paseo [Kansas City MO]… According to police, a woman in her 60s answered a knock at her door and a man who she didn’t know asked for someone the woman had never heard of. When she told him he had the wrong house, the man reportedly forced his way inside. Once inside, the woman told police the man sexually assaulted her.  After the attack, police said the woman claimed the man started to leave the room and she was able to get a hold of a gun she had and shoot the intruder.  Police released the woman while they continue to investigate. It will be up to prosecutors to decide if she will face charges.

Paul: DGU #3- Relatives of an armed robber are upset with the good samaritan who stopped a robbery in progress.  Here is some background.  Adric White was busy robbing a Family Dollar Store in Mobile Alabama.  White ordered the store clerk to kneen on the ground while White pointed his gun at the store clerk’s head.  That is when a good samaritan told White not to move, but the robber turned and pointed his firearm at the good samaritan.  That was when the samaritan shot White.  Mobile Police also arrested 19-year-old Tavoris Moss as an accomplice to the robbery.

White’s family says the samaritan should have walked away since the robbery didn’t concern him.  White was out on bond for a previous armed robbery of the Oyster House restaurant.  The mother of the clerk held at gunpoint in the Oyster House robbery said this time White got what he deserved.  The samaritan had his concealed carry permit for the last four years.

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Paul:Listener e-mail discussion

From Greg:

Not guns but you may find this worth covering,  what’s next????

http://m.kirotv.com/news/news/seattle-police-have-wireless-network-can-track-you/nbmHW/

Greg, Bummerton (Bremerton)

 

In February, the Seattle Police Department announced it bought what’s called a “mesh network,” that will be used as a dedicated wireless network for emergency responders. What SPD did not say is that the network is capable of tracking anyone with a device that has a Wi-Fi connection.

“They now own a piece of equipment that has tracking capabilities so we think that they should be going to City Council and presenting a protocol for the whole network that says they won’t be using it for surveillance purposes,” said Jamela Debelak of the American Civil Liberties Union.

A spokesperson for Seattle Police said the network is not being used right now. A draft policy is being reviewed by the city attorney’s office and will eventually go before the City Council.

At this point I would like to run the audio that Greg sent in a few weeks ago that should have aired then.

Rob: From Tenexx (yes THAT tenexx as in ten in the X-ring) for those that listen to Slam fire radio)

 Gentlemen; while the M1 Garand, the Springfield M1A and AR10 platforms
are all excellent examples of Main Battle Rifles that could be used for
Appleseed Rifle Markmanship, I was surprised to hear that no one mention
the FN FAL.

Before I escaped to Canada, I owned a FAL for all of 6 months before it
was confiscated along with all other centerfire rifles in Britain at
that time. It is a rifle that I would dearly love to own again but it is
on the prohibited list here in Canada.

Best regards,

Peter  AKA Tenexx on Slamfire Radio,
Ontario, Canada.

From Jason

Tom:Check out a 6.5 Grendel ar15. Flat shooting out to 1000 yards. Light recoiling. Plus it’s still an ar15.

 Tom: From Jessy in South Dakota,

Sioux Falls school board votes unanimously to NOT allow the pledge of allegiance in high schools. http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/pledge-of-allegiance-voted-down-by-sf-school-board/?id=155989

 Rob: From Bryan Bolivar Facebook messages with the show

  • Bryan W Bolivar

    • Listener Mark from Ohio can bite me too. Oh, and don’t forget to tune into Canadian Service Conditions Radio and Modern Rifleman Radio. LOL

  • Yesterday

  • Politics and Guns Podcast

    • We will remind them in about 2 to 3 months when another episode comes out.

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    • Touche. Actually CSCR has episode 46 in the can and will be released on the weekend. Likely we will be recording MRR next week. At least I think we will.

Remind listeners that is they sent in an email for suck up for swag that they need to email their mailing address to onair@politicsandguns.com to get the swag, and Bryan’s dog poo is on it’s way!

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Paul: I want to thank the each of the advertisers on the show. Without them the show would never happen. For those of you who are long time listeners you know that about this time last year I was on the verge of shutting the show down. I had run out of money to make this hit the air and needed to find another way to get this paid for or shut it down. One by one some FANTASTIC people and companies stepped up and have kept the show coming to you.

Another bit of thanks needs to go to you, the listeners, when the sponsors came aboard you responded BIG TIME. That is why they are still here and the show still comes to you twice a week. Just a gentle reminder, when doing business with one of the sponsors of the show, please let them know that you appreciate them participating and keeping the show coming to you.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob: Our listeners inspired my article- “The Larger the Citizen, the Smaller the State”  Every time we support a local charity, the state gets smaller.  When we home school or support a private school, the state is smaller.  When we defend ourselves and our families, the state is smaller.   Sticks, when you support your local rescue association, the state is smaller.  The small things you do add up.  Thank you.

The counterexample is that Oakland California increased their gun regulations, and armed robberies increased 24 percent from last year.  Even TV news crews bring their own armed security when they go on the bay area stories.  I doubt the bay area citizens are smart enough to make the connection.

Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.

We’ll have Android and IPhone apps ($2) by the end of the week to automaticly get our podcasts.

Join NRA, SAF, GOA and JPFO, at least two of the four. Join your local civil rights group like NJ2AS, Illinois carry, Illinois rifle association,Arkansas Carry, Arizona citizens defense league, Texas rifle association, Buckeye Firearms.  (And if we left your group out, that means you didn’t e-mail us yet.)  Join a local group even if they are in an adjacent state.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 180- More Appleseed and Defensive Gun Use

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Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast this is the mid-week show for the 2nd week of November,  I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk about retired New York police commissioner Ray Kelly
Sticks: I’m Sticks and we also talk about defensive gun use, so climb aboard
Rob: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode # 180  of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
Show read and intro music.

Seg 1
Obamacare by morning audio from CMA’s.
Sticks talks about his first Appleseed as an instructor in training and the cool location called Direct Action Response Center and a recent video made there by Mitch Rossell called A Soldier’s Memoir.
Rob:  Appleseed is more than shooting.  What history topic did you present, Sticks?

Rob:  Sticks had a good example in his Appleseed shoot. It sounds like 25 participants dragged two shooters to Rifleman.  I had a similar experience at a training class where we supported each other and got some of us to qualify.  You cheer for each other, and that is an advantage of a larger class.
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Thoughts and prayers to those in the Philippines.
Oil production is above imports – Obama takes credit.

Topic 1
Here is an encouraging survey of law enforcement officers on the street for their view of armed citizens from April 2013.  Here is a summary of the survey at the SlowFacts Blog.

Safety tip from the website “The truth about guns”– Don’t wear earbuds as you run.  You might as well wear a blindfold.

Contestant number one in our crazy woman of the day contest is Shannon Watts from Moms Demand Action.  She called a membership drive and 4 moms showed up in Dallas, Texas.  So did forty men, women and children of Texas open carry.  This caused Ms Watts some distress.

Watts explained that Open Carry Texas is “like the Taliban and could feasibly have planned to open fire… You never know with these mass shootings. I don’t know who these people are.” Watts also suggested that Open Carry Texas was full of people who might rape the women involved in Moms Demand Action.
She may be our winner.  Can anyone top that?

Retiring New York City police commissioner Ray Kelly wants an armed, ¾ of a million dollar security detail to keep him safe.  Kelly also has a New York City firearms permit.  I guess Ray and his family is more important than your family.

Clayton E. Cramer is an author as well as a statistician.  He looked at background checks and murder rates.  It turns out that the murder rate went up in some states and down in some states as background checks came and went.  The conclusion is that background checks are minimally effective and inconsistent at best.

Roving band of Anti-Gun petitions signature gatherers in Washington were caught on video telling people to make up an address.  You can’t buy integrity by the hour.

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Sticks- Best DGU ever.  Relatives were looking for 29-year-old Bethany Arceneaux after receiving reports of her abduction from the daycare center where her child stayed.  A relative heard Bethany scream from an abandoned house.  The relative then shot the man stabbing Bethany.  The deceased had a child with Ms Arceneaux. Lafayette Parish, Louisiana.

Rob DGU #2
This is my nomination for the DGU of the day.  This is described as a domestic dispute gone wrong.  Investigators were called just after 3:30 a.m. Tuesday to the home in Nauvoo, Alabama and found Nicholas Stimpson, age 26, with a gunshot wound.  He reportedly showed up at the residence armed with a weapon, kicked in the front door and when he entered the residence, the homeowner shot and killed him.  No charges have been filed against the homeowner, who was not identified.

Paul- DGU #3  emailed From Jeff in Ohio
November 5- A man confronted two robbers as they left a Reading, Pennsylvania convenience store.  The robbers pulled their guns on the man who then shot them in return.  The two robbers died on the scene.  The family of the robbers were surprised, but the store had been robbed several times before.

Sticks- DGU #4
College students fend off an intruder who has a long criminal history.  One student retrieved his handgun which caused the intruder to leave.  The students are now on probation by Gonzaga, University. (Double secret probation?)  The students live off campus in University owned housing.  Here is a poll to tell Gonzaga that they are crazy for sanctioning students for defending themselves off campus.

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Rob- Email 1 from Marc in Ohio
I can’t believe you’re letting a Canadian win. I like Stycks idea of sending a bag of dog pooh but I think that would fail. As slow as Canadian Mail is, there would be no stench when it arrived. send him a chocolate shaped 1911. Then he can say he’s open carrying while he eats it.

Thanks for making my day a little brighter. I enjoy all the ribbing. I truly thought Rob would stay above all the insults. He really took the cake when he said Toby was getting a new wife. It’s good to see you guys are warping his mind towards the dark side:)

I considered not sending an address in protest to Bryan winning a prize. I think Since Mark Vanderberg is asking for donations, I’d like to pay my prize forward to the GRRN. Can you send it to Mark Vanderberg so he can use it to raise funds?

I think your show needs a team photo. Keep me in mind if you guys make that happen. I’d love an autographed picture. I’d really like to hear all of you guys in the same room hamming it up over drinks. That would be fantastic audio.
Thanks guys
Marc in Ohio

Paul- Email 2 from Marc in Ohio
It seems former Canton, Ohio police officer Harless comes out with cash in fist, retired badge and neutral recommendation. Scream at a CCW holder, search a car without securing your suspect and threaten to shoot the suspect. This gets you a cash prize? I

Sticks- Email 3 From Mike in NJ
2 comments from Saturday’s episode.
It’s NJ that doesn’t allow hunting with a rifle, not PA.
Also, for the guy looking for a history book, I recommend one that says that the depression was in the 30s, not the 20s.
Mike in NJ
Oops. Glad you were listening, Mike.

Fellow otr driver, John K, asked us about history books for a reluctant adolescent reader-  The Story of US.
Paul Revere’s Ride By David Fisher,  The Battle Road by Charles Bradford.  Lexinton and Conchord. Boston 1775.

Paul Revere’s Ride

Boston 1775

For recent history how about western history- Narrow Gauge in the Rockies

Rob has a question.  Who purchased “self defense insurance”? I can’t carry in California, but after reading the news for a few weeks, I think the insurance might be worthwhile even for home defense situations.  http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/  I’m asking my fellow hosts and our listeners about their experience.  Please e-mail me. Rob@politicsandguns.com

List emails to contact us Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, or Onair to reach all of us.
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Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Radio Network and Modern Rifleman Radio.  Give the Roadgunner podcast a listen.

Join NRA SAF GOA JPFO, at least two of the four.
Join your local civil rights group like NJ2AS, Illinois carry, Illinois rifle association, Arizona citizens defense league, Texas rifle association, Buckeye Firearms.  (And if we left your group out, that means you didn’t e-mail us yet.)  Join a local group even if they are in an adjacent state.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Sticks, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 179 – The All Guns Show

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Paul: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast for Saturday November9th 2013 I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and Tonight’s show is a ALL GUNS show!
Paul:  we all had a conversation about Toby’s next gun purchases,
Rob: And we had a talk with the hosts of the new Modern Rifleman Radio show,
Paul: so climb aboard
Rob: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode # 179 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Paul is at home while the truck is in the shop.  He can dry practice with a little more room than in the truck!  Rob went to a second amendment activist workshop, but hasn’t touched a firearm.

Defensive Gun Use:
From My Fox Phoenix dot com
PHOENIX (AP) — Authorities say a homeowner in north Phoenix has shot a suspected burglar.  Phoenix police haven’t released the name of the 44-year-old suspect yet, but say he’s hospitalized in critical condition.
The unidentified homeowner isn’t expected to be charged in Friday afternoon’s shooting.  Police say the suspect jumped a fence and tried to get in the home about 3:30 p.m.  He was stopped by the homeowner, who shot him several times.  The suspect ran off and police believe there was a woman waiting nearby to pick him up.  Police later got a call from a Phoenix-area hospital saying the suspect had been brought in for treatment.
They say charges are pending against the suspect if he survives.

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Listener e-mail discussion
John writes,
“I would like to get a suggestion on history books I can read and pass on to teenage nephew. I was never big on history but I know and remember more than is currently being taught. I read part of a social studies book my nephew has when he asked for help with home work. It just pathetic they brushed on points of revolution, only said civil war was about slavery, and Great Depression was in the 1920 no material on why’s who’s and how got through.
“Would like to say I enjoy your podcasts found them about 6 months ago and have learn some information and has cleared views on something’s  thank you.”
John K
Fellow otr driver.

List emails to contact us Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, or Onair to reach all of us.
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Rob lists new articles from his website  https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2013/11/07/your-feelings-about-guns/
Accidental gun deaths are a fraction of a percent of all accidental deaths.  What about guns used to kill on purpose?  Self-defense homicides are also a fraction of a percent of all intentional deaths.  That means our gun laws are ineffective because the laws only apply to the fraction of a fraction of a percent of the homicides committed by us honest gun owners.  And WE are not the problem.  Even if it makes you feel better, hating us won’t solve the other 99 percent of the problem.

Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network.  Give the Roadgunner podcast a listen.

Join NRA SAF GOA JPFO, at least two of the four.
Join your local civil rights group like NJ2AS, Illinois carry, Illinois rifle association, Arizona citizens defense league, Texas rifle association, Buckeye Firearms.  (And if we left your group out, that means you didn’t e-mail us yet.)  Join a local group even if they are in an adjacent state.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show.. stay safe,
Rob: e aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
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Your Feelings About Guns

Thank you for allowing me a guest post.  Here is an article for our undecided friends.  Paul and I thought you might enjoy the graphics about firearms risks.
-RM

“Your Feeling About Guns”
Some people feel guns are bad and they feel better if they hate gun owners.  I beg you to keep things in perspective if you hate guns.  Most gun haters claim guns are an accident waiting to happen.  I guess so, but walking down the street is an accident waiting to happen also.  Let me show it to you.  Drunk drivers are a far bigger risk than guns.

accidental death 2010

People who fear and hate firearms say guns are only used by bad people.  I need to remind you that good people use all kinds of tools to protect and save others.  In fact, the first thing we do is call a good man with a gun when trouble happens to those we love.  For all the laws we pass to restrict honest gun owners, they are not the source of violence in our society.  Licensed carry holders are the most law abiding of citizens.

firearm homicide 2010

We’re missing something even with these charts.  Our perspective is incomplete and we’re only looking at half the picture.  These charts don’t show the many lives saved from public violence by civilians with guns.  These charts don’t show the hundreds of millions of disarmed people murdered by their government and in ethnic genocide.

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Cry for them if you have a heart.  And yes, genocide happens here in the US.  I want good men to have guns.

If you’re a hater, the best I can do is try to change your mind.  Changing your heart is up to you.

~_~_

Statistics from the Federal Center for Disease Control  courtesy of Stranger at Extreno’s Alley, DefensiveCarry.com  and collected by the author.

~_~_

Rob

Episode 178 – Troy Grice and Kings Custom Coatings

Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast for Wednesday, November 6th 2013,  I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have an interview with Troy Grice who wrote the book “Indivisible: With Justice for Some”.  We also have an that Sticks with the guys at Kings custom coatings
Paul : so climb aboard
Rob: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode #178  of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Catch up with each participant
Oregon open carrier Kevin Hall stopped open carrying after he filed the lawsuit. “I stopped because my personal belief is, if you open carry, you have to be willing to say no to police and sometimes that results in being arrested and being detained,” he said. “Since I had one lawsuit going on, I didn’t want another one.” The insurance carrier for the city of Corvallis paid Mister Hall $5,000.  That settled civil lawsuit following a federal judge’s opinion that Hall was unlawfully detained and searched by a city police officer. http://www.gazettetimes.com/news/local/open-gun-carrier-wins-settlement-in-corvallis-unlawful-detainment-case/article_ef72b1e6-4369-11e3-8c96-0019bb2963f4.html

A sheriff and DA got it right, but one Alabama police chief got it wrong.  A hard nosed chief took the law into his own hands and arrested a licensed concealed carry holder. Fortunately, the Bibb County DA’s office indicated no interest in prosecuting the concealed carry holder named Clay Winguard.  The story goes downhill as only a southern police chief can take it.  The chief asked the school board to ban Winguard from all school property.  http://www.examiner.com/article/alabama-s-new-gun-law-tested-and-justice-prevails

Also having trouble at school, a vet and mom was banned from school for having a CCW permit in Georgia and posting it on Facebook.  The timeline is unclear.  She may have posted her CCW on the school’s FB page AFTER she had a disagreement with the principal.  http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/12-On-Your-Side-Banned-from-childs-elementary-school-for-Facebook-picture-229770981.html

We’re On Your Side after a parent says she is being banned from her daughter’s elementary school after posting what she says is a harmless picture on Facebook. She says she found out she was forbidden after getting a call from the board of education.  12 On Your Side: Banned from child’s elementary school for Facebook picture?

Election year politics bring charges against Tech Sgt Pinkerton. “You’re supposed to call 911” and die. Another reason to have Self Defense insurance even if you don’t carry in public. Let’s see if we can find a site to fund this guy.  http://misguidedchildren.com/justice/2013/11/maryland-man-shoots-home-intruder-charged-with-murder

Maryland Man Shoots Home Intruder: Charged With Murder
“Why didn’t you call 911?” This is the only argument the State of Maryland has against Matthew Pinkerton. Matt is a Technical Sergeant in the U.S. Air Force. He shot and killed a home intruder by the name of Kendall Green, just before his wife reached 911.

Note that Sergeant Pinkerton did retreat after Green broke through the front door.  The Sergeant did so even though there is no duty to retreat inside one’s own home according to Maryland law.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_self-defense_in_Maryland#Duty_to_Retreat_and_the_Castle_Doctrine

Also, the prosecution has the burden of proof that the shooting was NOT self-defense. So far the prosecutor is either hoping for a plea deal under threat of an expensive trial or hoping for a gullible jury.

I Hope She’s Right about the First Part: Sen. Dianne Feinstein said Sunday she wants to renew her efforts to pass gun-control legislation in light of the Los Angeles airport shooting but that her bill would not stand a chance of passage because of opposition from the gun rights lobby. “I think there is a hammer lock on the Congress by the gun owners and gun people, and it doesn’t matter,” the California Democrat told CBS’ “Face the Nation.” Feinstein said the gun used in the attack Friday that killed a TSA worker was not designed for use by the general public, but for military and police personnel only. However, the Smith & Wesson .223-caliber rifle used by the attacker is widely distributed and one of the most popular firearms among gun owners in the U.S. Feinstein, who authored the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013, said she did not know if the weapon had already been outlawed in her state. (For someone who is trying to Californicate the rest of the nation, you’d think that Feinstein would know that such rifles – unless mildly encumbered with the “bullet-button” magazine release – are already banned in her home state, along with the magazine designed to hold more than ten rounds.)  http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/feinstein-gun-control-los-angeles/2013/11/03/id/534501

Sheriff in New York wins reelection with opposition to Cumo’s anti-gun laws.  “I won’t enforce it” http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/elections/safe-act-stance-helps-howard-win-3rd-term-as-erie-county-sheriff-20131106

A good guy with a gun defended his apartment from two intruders staging a robbery attempt in Fort Wayne Indiana.  http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/indiana-resident-shoots-and-kills-1-of-2-armed-robbers-during-home-invasion/

The anti-gun mayor of Morrisville, NC was defeated on Tuesday.  Congratulations mayor Mark Stohlman.  http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/11/05/3344531/incumbent-mayor-loses-in-morrisville.html

The Washington State Supreme Court has issued a ruling affirming that will legal gun carriers may bring their firearms into Seattle public libraries.  Some librarians thougth they derved a gun-free zone of their own.  The state supreme court disagreed. http://gunssavelives.net/news/washington-supreme-court-guns-are-allowed-in-seattle-libraries/

A shout out to a friend of the show.  In October, Charles Heller stepped down from the board of directors of the Arizona Citizens Defense League.  charles was on the board for 8 years and we him for his service. http://www.ammoland.com/2013/11/charles-heller-steps-down-as-director-of-arizona-citizens-defense-league/#axzz2jueqD6s0

My friend Dave Cole wrote about the sad history of disarming our military men and women on base. To disarm our warriors is wrong.  Our military bases are another example of the mythical “gun free zone”.  Dave’s article is at Gun Rights Magazine.com http://gunrightsmagazine.com/warriors-disarmed/

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Unconsentual drug search at Gila Regional medical center.  http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2013/nov/06/chronicle_amnovember_6_2013

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/06/police-forced-a-second-man-to-have-invasive-surgery/

Rob: I was listening to an old episode of “gun talk”. The host, Tom Grisham, said that how much he likes a gun comes down to the part he touches… the trigger!  Amen to that. Trigger, accuracy and reliability. I don’t care if the outside looks like rusted crap.  I was also thinking of Toby’s gun problem with his wife Melissa. He wants sustained fire at a distance. Toby, that is what a partner is for. Dude, you don’t need more gun, you need more friends!  How about a couple Ruger Scout rifles and learning some teamwork?

List emails to contact us Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, or Onair to reach all of us.

Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network.  Give the Roadgunner podcast a listen.

Roadgunner mag 40 class

Join NRA SAF GOA JPFO, at least two of the four.

Join your local civil rights group like NJ2AS, Illinois carry, Illinois rifle association, Arizona citizens defense league, Texas rifle association, Buckeye Firearms.  (And if we left your group out, that means you didn’t e-mail us yet.)  Join a local group even if they are in an adjacent state.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Sticks, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
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