Episode 398 – Cover Your ASP

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest John Corriea

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Amanda Suffecool

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday January 13th 2017 , I’m Paul Lathrop

Gary:… so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

Paul : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 398 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Gary

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

(February 11 & 12, 2017 MAG20 in Austin, TX)

(June 24 & 25, 2017 Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. 9am-5pm both days. Richmond, IL)

(August 10-13, 2017 MAG40 in Sioux Falls, SD)

(August 26 & 27, 2017 Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)

 

Break

2- News 1

National Carry Reciprocity Update

The Washington Free Beacon published an article with further details related to Representative Richard Hudson’s (R-NC) proposed reciprocity legislation.  This news outlines Rep. Hudson’s intent that the Act will recognize both resident and non-resident licenses or permits.  He stated that he has, “confirmed this with legislative counsel and Judiciary Committee staff.”  The bill has over 100 co-sponsors.

 

Imagine that you live in New Jersey, Washington D.C. or Orange County, California.  You have given up hope to obtain a carry permit since you are not one of the privileged class.  If this bill passes with the author’s stated intent, you would be able to obtain a permit from a free state and be allowed to carry in your own state.  

 

Forum Shopping is a frequent tactic in the legal profession to try cases in an area where the chances of a favorable outcome are the most likely.  Many large businesses are incorporated in Delaware because of their favorable laws.  Why shouldn’t the average citizen have the opportunity to obtain freedom from the most favorable venue?

 

It is no wonder that Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation has applauded Rep. Hudson for inclusion of non-resident permits in the legislation.  There is little doubt that the gun control lobby will pull out all of the stops to ensure this legislation is not successful.  It is our job to ensure there are consequences for politicians determined to infringe open our rights.  Just say no to gun free zones, magazine capacity restrictions, trigger weight requirements and any other ludicrous schemes meant to turn law-abiding citizens into criminals.

 

Gary –

Paul – I alluded to this last week. GET YOUR CCW NOW! Utah- Arizona-Florida etc

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Loretta Lynch: U.S. Attorney’s Office Worked ‘Around the Clock’ Against Chicago ‘Gun Violence’

Amid reports that lax prosecution is one of the chief enablers of Chicago gun crime, Attorney General Loretta Lynch says the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Illinois has worked “around the clock” against Chicago “gun violence.” Moreover, in the past few years, the NRA has pointed to a lack of federal prosecutions as a weak link in the fight against Chicago gun crime.

 

Gun Quotes

As far as I’m concerned, ARs are for all practical purposes military weapons. But before any of my gun-rights brothers accuse me of betraying the cause, let me follow up with this statement: there’s nothing wrong with the fact that they’re military weapons. It’s a good thing. – Chris Hernandez

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest John Correa of Active Self Protection

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3- Interview 1

 

4- Interview 2

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Trying to Rob Gun Store

You’ve got to be brazen or stupid – or a large amount of both – to rob a gun store. A pair of robbers tried their luck at Dixie Gun and Pawn in the Atlanta, Georgia area. The results were entirely predictable.

           Video of Dixie Gun and Pawn Robbery


The video contained in the show notes is very instructive. It shows two masked men entering the store with guns drawn and pointed at the two workers inside. The video starts with one employee with his hands up and the store owner with his back to the thugs. When the owners recognizes the situation, he turns, retreats slightly and comes up with his 1911. He targets the closest threat, who is pointing two pistols at him. Both men fire, but the owner’s shots immediately drop the robber onto his back motionless. It seems the first shot

was a critical central nervous system hit and the perp was dead before he hit the ground. Three quick shots drive the other thief out the door. The entire incident took only 11 seconds, the actual shooting — less than 5.   

 

The two workers likely survived because the store owner knew what he was doing and performed his tasks effectively and efficiently. His actions speak of training and practice. Most importantly, he had his life-saving equipment on his hip when it was needed – for the first time in 30 years.

 

POGO, you never know.   

 

How’s That Rehabilitation Working Out For Yah?
A Sarasota County, Florida homeowner was forced to shoot and kill a home invader in self defense. The man and his family returned home when they were attacked by a man with a baseball bat. The owner shot the intruder in self-defense.  

Glenn Edward Oliver, 30, died inside his victim’s house. This violent career criminal had recently been released from prison after a 10 year sentence for armed robbery with a firearm and car-jacking. His prison time and five year probation apparently did little to deter him from his chosen profession. A profession that threatened the lives of others.

 

Oliver was accorded victim status by the Gun Memorial website, which described him as one “Lost to gun violence on January 8, 2017 in Sarasota, Florida.” There was no mention of the family that he threatened with serious injury or death.

 

Dr Sowell’s DGU

Dr Thomas Sowell has retired. For as long as we can remember, Dr Sowell has been a contrarian voice of reason and rationality. The respected economist and Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institute wrote widely on a host of subjects, never failing to bring his unique clarity and communication ability to the issue. Now, the 86-year-old, small “L” libertarian has hung up his pen. In one of his last columns, Sowell took on the New York Times and their bigoted, fictitious image of legal gun carriers. He lays out a convincing argument for the law-abiding, armed citizen and disassembles the Times’ lies. Almost as an aside, he reveals that he has used a gun in self-defense. Yes, Dr Sowell has had a DGU!

 

In Dr Sowell’s words: “The only time I ever pointed a gun at a human being, it was when someone was sneaking up toward me from behind a shed in the middle of the night. I never fired a shot. I just pointed the gun at him and told him to stop. He stopped.” <unquote> In this, the exceptional Dr Sowell becomes rather ordinary; as in the vast majority of DGUs a shot is never fired. The victim’s firearm causes the criminal to rapidly reevaluate the situation, usually resulting in a decision to be elsewhere as soon as possible.  

 

We wish Dr Sowell a long and happy retirement. He will be devoting himself to his photography, which is featured at his website. His black and white photographs are truly stunning. We also thank him for his last column on the fallacy of gun control and highly recommend it to our listeners. The link can be found in the shownotes.  

Don’t Torque Off the Old Gal

In another of our continuing “Don’t Torque Off an Ol’ Gal” series, a feisty 74-year-old Texan puts the fear of Grandmother in a thug.   

 

Rebbie Robertson was watching TV when she was startled by an armed intruder.  Not one to take an interruption to her shows lightly, she grabbed a .38 on a nearby table and pointed it at the bad guy, who quite understandably ran for his life. Putting the robber to flight wasn’t enough for the cranky septuagenarian, so she ran after him firing her gun. There was no doubt in her mind; “I tried to kill him! Anybody break in on me I’m going to kill them! He going to kill me or I’m going to kill him!” Unfortunately for her house, her aim wasn’t quite as well developed as her outrage.  


Police aren’t certain if ol’ Deadeye actually hit the intruder, however they’re continuing to look for the criminal, who might still be running. You just don’t dare torque off an old grandmother!  

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

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1st email

 

I have just recently learned about and started listening to the Polite Society podcast.  Good stuff.

Here are a few thoughts from the prepper interview:

I am a huge proponent of using a .22lr rifle.  I disagree that auto loaders are more complex than a bolt action or lever action rifle.  I have disassembled (and reassembled) multiple Ruger 10/22 rifles.  They are pretty simple.  They are also quite effective.  Why?

An autoloader allows for a much faster followup shot than a bolt action or lever action and I have seen very few malfunctions, maybe one out of a thousand rounds, all of which could be cleared by nothing more than cycling the bolt.  Using quality ammunition is important.

I can carry a case (5K) rounds of .22lr (CCI MiniMags preferred) under one arm.  A single tin (440 rounds) of 7.62x54r is a bit tougher to carry. https://www.faclevents.org/austin-tx-1-day-14jan2017

In a survival situation, I would be willing to hunt even deer with a .22lr.  Mind you, the deer in Texas run kind of small.

In a long term survival situation, rounds of .22lr would make a good currency, with each round being of fairly small denomination.

While not great in defending a position, it’s still enough to discourage attackers at 100+ yards.

So, while I don’t think it is a solution to everything, I would not be surprised if a .22lr turned out to be the most often used round in a survival situation.

And, as a followup, I highly recommend classes from the Appleseed Project (Hi, Rachel) as the best and most cost effective introductory rifle marksmanship training.  So much so that I have a standing offer to pay for a friend of mine to take a weekend class.

Keep up the good work, I have been enjoying the podcasts.

— Matt

 

Jake from Iowa wrote in:

 

On the subject of National Carry Reciprocity, Rachel expressed doubts that this was something we want the federal government getting their hands into.  I generally share her caution about government, and really respect and appreciate her principled approach to things, but I disagree – I think that in order to respect the constitution, the federal government MUST institute national reciprocity.  

The justification would be under the “full faith and credit” clause of the constitution, which requires states to respect the documents issued by other states, such as drivers licenses, marriage licenses, etc.

Politicians are certainly known for “creative” interpretations of the constitution, such as the much-abused interstate commerce clause, but the full faith and credit clause can only honestly be interpreted in our favor – It could not be used to justify forcing more strenuous qualifications for permits on the states.  One could maybe create several “levels” of carry permits, and argue that, say Utah’s carry permit is only equivalent to California’s “basic” carry permit, so you can’t carry in a bunch of places until you get some kind of prohibitively expensive “enhanced” permit, but even that would be progress.

 

Right now, I have an Iowa carry permit but work in Illinois.  It is literally impossible for me to get an IL carry permit because IL will not issue one to IA residents, nor will they honor my IA permit, except in my vehicle.  This is a pretty blatant denial of rights, and is unconstitutional both on 2A grounds and based on the full faith and credit clause, and I would love to see them slapped down on this.

 

Thanks,

-Jake from Iowa

 

And Carl also wrote in.

 

Hello,

Recently Rob published an article regarding the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) and its naïve stance on firearms.  I am here to say that I am a member and elder of that denomination and I agree with Rob.  For many years, PCUSA has been against any gun that isn’t used for hunting.

PCUSA is rife with members who whole-heartedly support the 2nd amendment.  The problem is that the leadership is stuffed with liberals.  This was confirmed to me by my old friend and college roommate, a retired Presbyterian pastor and United States Navy chaplain who retired with the rank of Commander.  He is about as disgusted with the situation as I am.

PCUSA advocates for ministry to people who have been affected by gun violence.  OK, it is good to do that for people who have been affected by violence of any kind.  But they also call for (http://www.pcusa.org/news/2014/6/19/assembly-acts-decisively-gun-violence-abortion-tax/):

  • opposition to legislation that exempts gun manufacturers and marketers from legal liability and/or financial accountability for the medical and security costs of predictable gun misuse and availability to criminals, the unstable, and the self-destructive;
  • opposition to “stand your ground” and other legislation that may entitle gun owners to shoot before taking alternative measures (such as relying on law enforcement and/or other de-escalation techniques) in perceived defense of persons or property;
  • encouraging church sessions and PC(USA) entities that own property to declare their particular premises and gatherings to be gun-free zones;
  • raising the age for handgun ownership to 21;
  • supporting legislation to ban semiautomatic assault weapons, armor-piercing handgun ammunition and .50-caliber rifles; and
  • advocacy in support of state and federal legislation to regulate ammunition.

I have stayed Presbyterian for a few reasons, one of which is to possibly promote change from within.  PCUSA has progressively removed itself from the Bible in many areas.  Now I am tired.  Maybe I should go back to my Lutheran roots (attention Lloyd Bailey!).  Or my wife’s Baptist roots.

Thanks for listening to my rant.

Carl

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 397 – National Reciprocity?

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment:

3- Interview Segment Guests Joey and Allison from Passionate About Prepping:

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday January 5th, 2017  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the nevada law requiring universal background checks that cannot be enforced.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we will talk about a possible national concealed carry reciprocity act

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a Texas deputy sheriff wasn’t carrying a gun, luckily his wife was. So climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 397 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- sdgs podcasts.  We are in process of adding another concealed carrier to the household.  Gun, holster, permit.  Now she has to go take a class with Rachel.

Rachel – range time with my ARC practice group, growing the TFF community and website, teaching classes. Pretty sure I found my life partner…..my Glock 19. Check out my videos on Constitutional Carry and 3 things we must do to pass gun legislation. Be sure to show up to the Capitol on Friday, Jan. 13 at 3pm on the South steps if you can be in Austin….rally sponsored

Also, had a wonderful surprise on Christmas break!!!

Gary

Paul/Susan

Rachel- MAG20 in Austin Feb 11 and 12!

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Break

 

2- News 1

Another win in the courtroom

Residents of Lower Merion Township, Pennsylvania received an early Christmas present from the Commonwealth Court.  In a 2-1 ruling, the appellate court ruled in favor of an injunction prohibiting the Township from enforcing a local gun ban.  

 

The suit filed by Firearm Owners Against Crime centers around a law enacted by the township in 2011.  This example of “we know better than you” legislation creates a $600 fine for carrying firearms on town-owned recreational property.  In fact, vast segments Pennsylvania government believe they know better than their subjects.  The Township’s rulers enacted this infringement in defiance of the state’s preemption law.  

 

Fortunately, two members of the Commonwealth Court’s three judge panel actually rule based on the law.  These judges agreed that refusing this injunction “would sanction the Township’s continued statutory violations.”

 

Unfortunately, the ruling was not unanimous.  The dissenting judge, Dan Pelligrini, cannot seem to understand the language of the statute.  The general rule is stated that, “No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms…”  The court of original jurisdiction in this case also agrees with Judge Pelligrini.  Only courthouses and schools are prohibited by statute.  We hope this ruling will help to overturn Philadelphia’s illegal banning of firearms in city parks, as well.  

 

If former attorney general, Kathleen Kane, was not serving time, there is no doubt she would agree with Judge Pelligrini.  Kim Stolfer, president of FOAC, stated that, “these local laws are crimes just like burglary and assault and should be handled as such but District Attorney’s shirk their duty to enforce the law.”  

 

We are fighting nanny state legislators, activist judges and politically motivated district attorneys throughout our nation.  Current events have demonstrated that victory can be achieved through the ballot box.  However, a measure of personal accountability for public officials may help prevent their constant attempts to infringe upon the rights of the law abiding citizenry.

 

Rob-  The local pro-rights group who brought this suit can hold the local politicians liable.  Let’s see if politicians are above the law.

 

National concealed carry reciprocity bill introduced.

A bill has been introduced in the house that would finally make national concealed carry reciprocity a reality. The bill, (H.R.-38) mandates that if you have a concealed carry permit from one state that it is good in all states. No requirement for any kind of training is in the initial form of the bill.

Paul-

Rob-  It is not up in PopVox yet (popvox.com).  I’m still worried about prohibiting firearms rather than carry licenses.  Do you own a CA or NJ compliant gun, mag, ammunition, gun safe…?  

 

Rachel-I’m glad it includes constitutional carry states. I still have concerns. Will it get messed up with amendments? Will it distract us from other gun issues like Rob mentioned? Will it be largely ineffective due to gun-free zones or other restrictions? Is it the even the place of the federal government to do this? If they can allow it they can also disallow it. I believe it’s a states issue that should stay with the states.

Full text: https://hudson.house.gov/uploads/Concealed%20Carry%20Reciprocity%20Act%20of%202017.pdf

 

Chicago sets a new record (and it isn’t something to be proud of)

2016 was a record setting year for the windy city. However this record is one they most likely didn’t want. 795 homicides and 4378 shootings were recorded in the city last year. This despite being among the cities with the most stringent gun laws in the country. President-elect Trump took to Twitter to show his displeasure with Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel. Trump tweeted “If Mayor can’t do it he must ask for Federal help!”

 

Chicago politics and a strong backlash against police have combined to create a situation where police are afraid of becoming the next viral video and have become much more hands off. This has allowed the murder rate to climb even higher than those of New York City and Los Angeles, both of which are larger cities.

 

Remember that Nevada “Universal background check” law?

Residents of Nevada have something to be happy about in the new year. The bill supported by the Bloomberg group that passed narrowly in November is written so poorly that it cannot be enforced. On December 28th the Nevada attorney general issued an opinion that the language of the bill as written makes people go through an FBI background check, except the FBI doesn’t do them in NV, the state police do. The FBI won’t (after a signed agreement that gave the NV state police the ability) and the law doesn’t give the state police the ability to act in the FBI’s place. That’s what you get when bad laws are written by people from other states that know nothing about how things work in your state.

 

Rachel-this is why it’s important to read the actual text of the bill – not just what the media or author say about it

Rob- Bloomberg paid $35 per vote in nevada, to win by one half of one percent.

 

Gun Quotes

The essence of good marksmanship is self-control, and self-control is the essence of good citizenship. It is too easy to say that a good shot is automatically a good man, but it would be equally incorrect to ignore the connection. – Jeff Cooper

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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3- Interview 1

 

4- Interview 2

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

Robber sets gun down and gets shot

According to ABC 15 in Phoenix a 17 year old armed robber decided to rob a convenience store. The young thug walked in and pointed a gun at the clerk and demanded money.  When the clerk obeyed and handed over the contents of the register the young robber placed his gun on the counter to take the money. That is when the clerk drew and fired his own gun. The robber fled after being shot, but collapsed in the street outside. He was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to survive. Shockingly, police say that this is not the armed robbers first crime.

 

A DGU goes as well as can be expected.

An Austin, Texas man was understandably concerned on Christmas day when he heard a door close in his home. You see this man lives alone. Dennis Rainford, 39, had gained access to the home through the garage. The homeowner took out his gun and when the intruder passed by his bedroom door the homeowner pointed his gun at him and told Rainford to get out of the house.

 

Police found Rainford wearing a Santa hat and arrested him.

 

Rob- The grinch didn’t stop this christmas.

 

Wear the damned thing!

Our final DGU was emailed to us by one of our listeners, thank you Carl!

A Texas deputy Sheriff and his wife were on their way to a weekend deer hunt when they stopped to get gas. While the deputy was walking back to his car 2 men pulled into the gas station in a red pickup truck and approached and began beating the Deputy.  They had the deputy on the ground and one of them was kicking him in the face while the other was trying to get to his walet.

 

Luckily the Deputy’s wife had her handgun. She drew and began firing at the thugs as she exited her vehicle. The Deputy was then able to get to their vehicle and retrieve his gun and add to his wife’s fire on the retreating thugs.

 

The stolen vehicle that was used in the assault was discovered a few days later by the houston fire department, however no arrests have yet been made.

 

Rachel- Dude. You live in Texas, you’re on your way to a hunt, I’m sure you drive a truck….what the heck is wrong with you…keep your gun on! Good thing his wife had his back!

 

Rob- Multiple shots fired and all were misses.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-  Armed civilians saved lives in december

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/armed-civilians-saved-lives-in-december/

 

For new gun owners- the first steps are the biggest (your first firearms class)

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/the-first-steps-are-the-biggest-what-you-discover-in-your-first-self-defense-classes/

 

Human rights versus california politicians- which right of self-defense do we have?

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2016/12/29/human-rights-versus-california-politicians-which-right-of-self-defense-do-we-have/

 

The good news review of 2016 for gun owners.

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2016/12/26/the-good-news-review-of-2016-for-gun-owners/

 

Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John Richardson has a number of good posts at his blog, only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Paul- We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 394 – Texas Constitutional Carry?

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

 

3- DGU Segment: 

4- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition and a proud founding show on the Self Defense Radio Network. We are recording this show on Sunday, November 27th.  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we talk about the attorney General of Massachusetts, who said that Massachusetts law is what she says it is.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll talk about how Texas can win all the things that other states already enjoy.

John: I’m John Richardson and we’ll also discuss about the moves for Constitutional Carry in multiple states.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we have an update on the concealed carrier that saved a cop …. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 394 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Carried every day.  Posted another episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories with Jenna Meek as my instructor.  I joined Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio.  I had my family home for thanksgiving, and I got to take my brother shooting.

John- I’m sorry I missed the last show. It was due to what I call the Olivia Daycare virus which hit all of us. I was a guest on Cheryl and Dan Todd’s Gun Freedom Radio the weekend after the election. Gun Freedom Radio In gun news I finished assembling my AR pistol. It is a mixture of used and new parts which is typical of most of my ARs. Finally, we’ve had a number of wildfires all over WNC. I’d like to thank the firefighters from around the country that have responded. With luck, we’ll get some good rain this week.

Rachel- Can’t believe it’s been 6 weeks since I was on the show??? ON the other hand, feels almost like 6 months

  • Florida trip: MAG-30 and MAGIC (shoutout to Tracy for the motivation to go!)
    • Gear requirements: full setup (gun, holster, mags/speedloaders & holders) for primary gun, primary gun mirror image, back-up gun (smaller carry gun), revolver, and spare gun.
    • MAG-30: several single speed quals, double speed, triple speed
    • MAGIC: 5-10 normal single speed quals; single speed with mirror image, revolver, and back-up gun; quad speed
    • 4k rounds primary gun
    • David Maglio (https://www.facebook.com/david.maglio/) – can’t say enough good things about his instruction and the way he structures his courses for maximum value for each round.
    • 9mm and Glock 19 won for me – end of my experiment trying to prove others are better.
    • Quad speed: didn’t know I could shoot so fast accurately
    • Personal best in consistency and growth
  • LTC classes: for little guns — Bersa Thunder fails, Ruger LCP/LC9 works, S&W Shield wins
  • S&W Shield: good (works great, easy function – go without the thumb safety), bad (fewer rounds for carry), ugly (broken spring – known issue, but S&W *did* overnight me another after I pressed them about it)
  • Subscribe to TFF YouTube channel….. #constitutionalcarry here we come!

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Paul: ***

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In her opinion, a Democrat Attorney General can’t violate the second amendment.

Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey told a federal court her recent ban on the sale of “Massachusetts-compliant” semi-auto rifles is both within the scope of her duties and complies with the US constitution. In July, Healy declared she was banning the sale of “copycat” rifles.  These rifles shared any common parts such as triggers or bolt carriers with AR-15s, AK-variants and others on the Commonwealth’s prohibited “assault weapons” list.  This led to a rush on stores by gun owners seeking to buy the newly prohibited models, as well as pushback from lawmakers and regulatory agencies. Finally, in September, four gun dealers and a firearms trade advocacy group filed suit in federal court seeking to overturn the new rules. This week, the attorney general’s 53-page response was that the legal challenge is without merit and should be dismissed.

The lawsuit brought against Attorney General Healy raised several objections.

Heally’s ruling is inconsistent with Massachusetts law,

It is unconstitutionally vague, and can be read in a way that violates the Second Amendment.

Healy replied that the allegations should be dismissed, because she is tasked with interpreting Massachusetts law, and that any strain placed on the Second Amendment “imposes no significant burden on the rights of law-abiding individuals to possess a firearm for self-defense in the home.”

Rob- She pretends that the Heller and McDonald cases don’t exist.  States can interpret the Second amendment as a right of the state to bear arms, and that there is no individual rights to bear arms in the home.

John – She is trying to ride this to the governor’s office. I find it very sad that a lesbian fails to see how firearms such as these actually protect the LGBTQ community from abusers. She needs to talk to Erin Palette.

Gary –

Paul – Does anyone know if the SAF is involved?

Rob- Healy is talking to her donors, not her voters.

The news media has noticed an increase in gun sales to minorities, gays, and women. They are trying to portray it as a reaction to the election of Donald Trump. Comments?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/trump-s-victory-has-fearful-minorities-buying-guns-n686881?cid=sm_fb

Rob-

Gary –

Rachel-Many of us had an inciting incident or encounter that woke us up to the possibility that we could need to protect ourselves, and made us want to carry a gun. If this is what woke them up, then good. I want more people awakened and taking personal responsibility.

John- Larry Correia has come out with a guide for liberals  interested in gun ownership.  –http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/11/14/a-handy-guide-for-liberals-who-are-suddenly-interested-in-gun-ownership/

Constitutional Carry: South Dakota, North Dakota, Texas, …..who’s next?

http://www.kfyrtv.com/home/headlines/ND-Legislators-Proposing-Constitutional-Carry-Bill–378448941.html

http://www.guns.com/2016/11/18/texas-lawmaker-to-seek-constitutional-carry/

FAQ on constitutional carry: http://www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com/how-well-do-you-understand-constitutional-carry/

How would you explain Constitutional Carry?

Did you know that 20% of states allow it?

Does the data show more or less violent crime in those states?

What about needing a permit for reciprocity?

When can we get Constitutional Carry in Texas?

3 things we cannot fail to do: COME to hearings (commit now!), CALL your reps (now, and during session when bills get “stuck”), and CONNECT with TFF or another organization for action alerts

John

Rob- Politicians appeal to their narrow voting blocks and their political donors.  With gerrymandering, politicians choose their voters, not the other way around.  Politicians want to drive their political opponents from their states.  We are seeing the big sort as people chose their politicians by moving to another state.

Paul

Rob- End of year donations?

Gun Quote – Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. Thomas Jefferson

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with defensive gun use.

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Update to CCW Carrier’s Save of a Florida Cop – CCW Carriers Assisting Cops
Last week, we covered a story that was developing as we recorded: a CCW holder had saved the life of a police officer being attacked alongside a Florida highway. Praise for the man who shot the attacker off the deputy was immediate and profound. And a local area gun store immediately put a very tangible sign of their appreciation in the hands of the hero.

As a natural part of the investigation, the police took the good samaritan’s handgun into evidence. It will likely remain there for months, if not years. Mark Williams, of the Shoot Straight gun store in Fort Myers, acted to ensure the good guy will continue to have a self-defense gun. Shoot Straight, with the blessing and assistance of the Lee County Sheriff, gave the man a new Springfield XDS.

According to Sheriff Mike Scott; “In a day and age where race is a near-instant focus for media and other pundits in police incidents, the fact is that this hero happens to be a man of color who stopped another man of color from further harming or killing a white cop; thereby reminding us that black lives matter, blue lives matter, and indeed all life matters. We at your Sheriff’s Office remain proud to serve and focused on the mission.”

We also applaud the CCW holder, as well as Shoot Straight and the Lee County Sheriff’s Department for their civic duty.  This is just another reminder that the police and the citizens are on the same team and can and should work in support of one another. This has been a hard week for law-enforcement, with five officers shot in the line of duty, two fatally. We stand with those that stand to “Protect and Serve”.   

Gas Station Clerk v. Armed Serial Robber

A robber attacked and shot a gas station attendant before being fatally wounded himself. Matthew Brown, 20, was in the midst of a Tallahassee, Florida crime spree when he stopped to prey at a Sunoco gas station. He demanded money from the clerk, and backed-up his demands at the point of a gun. The two fought over the gun and the clerk was hit by a round fired from Brown’s gun. The wounded clerk made it to a firearm hidden under the store’s counter and got off a shot in defense of his life. That shot left Brown dying on the station’s floor.  

Police believe Brown committed at least 10 other armed robberies in the past week. The silver Cobra handgun found near the body was seen at the other robberies, as was the distinctive upscale back-pack Brown carried. Brown’s get-away driver was arrested with clothing and zombie and clown masks also linked to the robberies. Kendrick Herring, 26, had been convicted of second-degree murder before being set free on a technicality. He had also served time for felony battery and cocaine possession. Herring was charged with armed robbery, possession of marijuana and cocaine, and murder while engaged in a felony offense. He is being held without bond.

The clerk is expected to recover from his wound. It is no stretch to say hIs use of the gun possibly saved his life.  

Rob- Let’s not confuse success with good practice.

75-Year-Old Shoots Home Invader
A 75-year-old man used a gun to defend his life during a late-night invasion of his Detroit home. One suspect died at the scene, the other is still on the lam. The homeowner awoke around 3 am from noises at his back door. According to police, he found two suspects standing inside his home. The man fired twice, hitting one, who collapsed and died in the home’s backyard. His partner ran off and has not been captured. Both invaders were described as males between 16 and 18.  

Police say the incident remains under investigation.  

CF- Homeowner is in a very difficult position, with intruders in his home and the Detroit Police’s response time measured in many minutes or even hours. Still, it would have probably been better to bunker down in a safe room.

78-Year-Old Grandma Defends Her Life With a Gun

Elaine Stiehl, 78, was preparing to take a nap when she heard suspicious noises from the front of her Atlanta area home. The feisty old grandma grabbed a gun, loaded it and stepped into the hallway. She found two strangers in that hallway. Seeing the gun, the two turned tail and ran from the house into a SUV driven by a female accomplice. The trio sped off but were later caught on the highway. Police recovered two guns (one was stolen), power tools and fur coats.  The criminal masterminds, all looking like an anti-Meth advertisement, have been booked for burglary and theft by receiving stolen property.

As we learned decades ago, you just don’t mess with Grandma’s nap!

Rob- Was grandma good or lucky?

Rob-

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Well, for better or for worse, we now have a President-Elect Trump.  I’ll leave off of discussing exactly how I feel about that man, but suffice to say that while he is no Clinton, he’s absolutely not my favorite.

I know a lot of us in the gun community are breathing a sigh of relief now.  I understand that.  I would also encourage us to still be mindful of our liberties, both the 2nd amendment and the rest of them.  The Democratic party is learning a harsh lesson about expanding executive power – A strong executive is all well and good, until the winds of change turn against you, and the powers you just enacted turn to your political opponents.  In that spirit, we should all be cautious if Trump turns out to be as authoritarian as he presented himself on the campaign trail – All of our liberties may be at risk if he succeeds in “reforming” libel laws and punishing political opponents, let alone the implications of his “carried out on a stretcher” comments.  We should also be cautious that in our current (and entirely legitimate) fear about Jihadism and radical Islam, we don’t do permanent damage to the institution of religious freedom.  

The grand irony here is that many Democrats are beginning to know why we conservatives have been harping on separation of powers, limited government, and the right to bear arms.  Now that the balance of power is shifting away from their side, they’re looking to these principles, which they snidely ignored and derided before, to protect their liberties.  I have had 2 friends, both transgender, call me up and ask me some questions about the process of becoming armed.  Since this is nearly half of the trans people I know, I think it shows a sudden and decided shift in opinion.  While I think their fears are overstated, we need to understand that for many people, the fear they feel is real, partly because of things Trump said, and partly because of the vastly distorted image of him the media portrayed.

If we really want to safeguard our 2nd amendment rights, I would encourage gun owners to be welcoming to liberals just now warming to the idea of bearing arms.  Too much of our political discourse today is meme-based facebook snark-fests and straw-man misrepresentation of opposing views, and quite often we have no real understanding of why anyone could honestly hold different opinions.  Your show has a history of civil, informed discussion that I would like to see take hold in more places, and your listeners could be a force for change, especially if they are there when these two sides meet at the gun counter.  Listen, inform, be helpful, and help them to learn that the 2nd amendment is their right, too, and they should guard it every bit as jealously as we do.

-Jake from Iowa.

Gary –

I forgot to mention:

Perhaps the most important opportunity we have if liberals begin to show up at ranges and gun shops is to change their minds about Trump voters.  They have been sold a bill of goods that Trump and all of his voters are hateful, racist, mysoginistic xenophobes.  That’s a lie, and in every small interaction we have with people from the other side of the fence, we have a chance to prove it, if only we can stay civil, helpful, and -dare I say it? Compassionate.

-Jake from Iowa

Rob- Trump did more for the acceptance of smaller government in one week than the Libertarian party accomplished in 40 years.

Paul – I said it when the news story was brought up, but will say it again, welcome to the club to any and all that have joined us as gun owners.

Rachel-thank you Jake for the compliment to the show. I appreciate our informed, civil discussions also.

The Pentagon just issued a new policy to allow personnel to apply to carry concealed, personal weapons on military installations!

The federal building prohibition in the U.S. Code still stands, unless specifically excepted by the authority granting permission to carry.  Other locations on a military installation, including possession in cars, would be covered and allowed under this policy. The individual services now get busy writing their own implementing instructions.  It isn’t clear if all commanders will grant authorization to carry, but this policy change sure opens the door to allow it.  Our new President may open the doors further if he delivers on his campaign promises.

Unfortunately, while this is a step in the right direction, it does nothing for most military members in “may issue” states, and states that rarely issue carry licenses to nonresidents (such as Illinois).  

As expected, the arming authority must ensure applicants “Meet applicable federal, State, local, or, as applicable, host-nation requirements to carry a firearm. Proof of compliance may include a concealed handgun license that is valid under federal, State, local, or host-nation law in the location where the DoD property is located.”

Many military members will remain unable to protect themselves because of absurd host state attitudes toward self-defense.

Policy is here, in Section 4:

‪http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/521056_dodd_2016.pdf

Thank you,

Kevin (in Illinois)

Rob- an executive order can fix this.  We can change which bases are staffed.  Hint.

Paul- I was going to say what rob just did, but will go a bit farther

Gary-

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob-  I talked about reciprocity between states.  The article is called-  ”Are guns legal in your town, but not next door?”

I wrote a paid article for Second Call Defense.  We see lots of gun owners who imagine they are safe because they own a gun.  A gun does not make you safe.  Your habits make you safe.  That article is called ”Voodoo Gun Owners and Superstitious Self-Defense”

Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

John- We in the gun culture overall won on Election Day. That said, we need to be on our toes as the gun prohibitionists are not quitting. A case in point is the push for so-called “smart guns”. The National Institute of Justice released their final specifications for such technology if it is to be used by law enforcement. This was in response to President Obama’s Executive Memorandum to Justice, Homeland Security, and DOD ordering to research the technology. Moreover, gun controllers are shifting their attention to the states where they have had more success. We need to be aware and be ready to crush their moves wherever and whenever it comes up.

Gary- We’d like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul – Shot show

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, Rachel, Susan,Charlotte, and Rob,  Until the next time…

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

Rachel: and we’ll see y’all down the road.

Episode 393 – Election Fall-Out

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- Interview Segment: Guest Bob Mayne

5- Gun Review

6- DGU’s:

7- Email and Show Close

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition and a proud founding show on the Self Defense Radio Network. We are recording this show on Tuesday November 15th 2016  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we can’t stop talking about the election results.

Matt: I’m Matt Martin and we’ll talk about competition shooting.

Charlotte: I’m Charlotte Foxtrot tonight we’ll give a review of the Ruger LC9s

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a concealed carrier that saved a cop’s life .. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

Matt : and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 393 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Carried every day.  I carried, and my wife took her CCW class.

Gary-

Charlotte- Exploring a new way to carry

Matt – Working up a Black Powder load to reliably run a glock 17 as a follow up to a previous video. https://youtu.be/yuE0jkq4_1o

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It is Good to be Number One

The truth must be repeated numerous times to overcome a constant harangue of lies being told to shape public opinion.  That is true whether the subject is healthcare, global warming or gun rights.  The comrades in the establishment media would have us believe every narrative that provides for government solutions at the cost of individual liberty.  

The UK’s Telegraph, hardly a right-wing publication, recently published an article with some interesting findings.  One unsurprising fact is that the US leads the world in per-capita gun ownership at a rate of 112.6 per 100 residents.  It is good to be number one!  However, as AWR Hawkins noted, America, “does not even crack the Top 10 when it comes to firearm-related deaths.”  Have you seen the establishment media’s headline coverage of this?  Of course not!  Don’t forget the fact that America’s murder rate dropped significantly during a period of surging gun purchases.

Other gun-loving citizens can be found in the second country on the list, Serbia.  Relatively favorable gun laws and a recent history of war in the region explain the high ownership rate of 75.6 firearms per 100 Serbians.  When was the last time you heard about an epidemic of violence there?

Switzerland, Sweden and Norway also made the top ten list.  Are these countries dealing with blood flowing in the streets?  They seem to be doing better than their French counterparts who are strictly limited when it comes to gun ownership.  It may surprise you to find that Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Iraq are also in the top ten.  

Leading the list of countries with the highest rates of firearms-related deaths is Honduras.  The highest incidence of gun-related deaths in the world is 67.2 per 100,000 annually.  That is a 0.067% chance that an average Honduran will be killed by a person using a firearm.  

Rounding out the top ten are eight other Latin American countries and one African nation.  Only one nation, Uruguay, appears in both lists; number eight in ownership and number 10 in deaths.  This country has a population slightly lower than that of Connecticut,  The article does not provide the relative percentage of toddlers in the Uruguayan population.

This is just another story in the long list of unreported facts that are being withheld from your neighbors.  Why?  Because this story shows that more guns correlates to less crime.  Also, it might be politically incorrect to point out that crime rates in Latin America seem a little high.

Roundtable on Presidential Election

Topics

 

  • Trump won and has changed his tone a bit, what does that mean for gun owners?
  • What does the election say about mass media and the new media.
  • Several pro-gun bills waiting in the wings, what should move first?
  • Remover suppressors from NFA.  Reciprocity.
  • What can Trump do without waiting for legislation?
  • This election shows how fragile our liberties really are.  Three million illegal aliens in a popular vote that was decided by less than one million votes.- RM

 

Paul, Rob, Charlotte, Gary, Matt

Gun Quote – “Can shooting the guy in the stomach kill him? Sure, but probably not in your lifetime.” – Tom Givens (talking about shot placement in a gunfight)

#2  Look, I dunno how to tell you this, buster, but you just can’t go around shooting down light aircraft with a handgun. – Captain Mitchell of the Las Vegas PD in Rockford Files, season 1 episode 2 timestamp 46:30

3- Guest Bob Mayne – competition

Our guest tonight is the co-founder of the Self Defense Radio Network and host of the Handgunworld and Today’s Survival podcasts. Bob is also a personal friend of mine and someone who I look up to when it comes to firearms application. Bob, thanks for joining us!

In a show before the election took over all conversation in the nation I mentioned that I was not a big fan of competition and though that it wasn’t necessary for a gun owner to be in competition if they practiced often and got quality training.  You and I have had conversations over the phone about this since then and I wanted to bring you on to give the listeners your take, so if someone owns a handgun for self defense and carries on a regular basis do they need to compete?

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with defensive gun use.

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4- Far Side of the Gun Counter

The Far Side of the Gun Counter

Ruger LC9s

In every podcast we recommend the listeners carry a gun for their protection. POGO! However, we rarely discussed the hardware itself – we were always too smart for that.  Well, with this inaugural episode of The Far Side of the Gun Counter, we’re correcting that brief diversion into sanity with our review of Ruger’s LC9s concealed carry pistol.

Obvious Stuff:

        The LC9s (Light Compact 9 – striker) is Ruger’s offering in the concealed carry 9×19 market. At first glance the Ruger LC9s is a small to medium-sized pistol with a black polymer lower and a matte blued slide. It tapes in as 6” long and 4 ½” tall, with conventional 3-dot sights. It tips the scales at only 17.2 ounces unloaded. The mag holds 7 rounds of 9, one more than the Glock 43. The trigger bears the mark of the striker with a Glockish dingus protruding from the face. The slide incorporates some deep and usable serrations at the rear. Fit and finish are typical Ruger’s high standards and certainly acceptable. The firearms corners and edges are nicely rounded and streamlined for discreet carry. All in all, it’s handsome-looking pistol.

The LC9s also feels good in the hand. At 9/10 of an inch of width, the well textured grip is thin enough for small hands. And the longish grip and the pinkie extension on the magazine make it comfortable for big paws. The gun points well and the controls are nicely placed and usable, although necessarily small. With the proper technique, the gun is easy to load, cock and unload.  The trigger has a long, light take-up, then a moderate final pull and let off. Our test sample, Charlotte Foxtrot’s Raspberry LC9s (yes, the girlies love their pink), has a measured 5 ¼ pound trigger pull. The reset is moderate, with a faintly audible click. In our humble opinion, the trigger is well suited for a firearm meant to be carried. And it happens to be one of the best striker-fired triggers out there.

Offerings:

        The pistol comes in three basic configurations. The first is the LC380, which incorporates the old gaw-dawful shrouded hammer firing system stolen from the Ruger LCP, from which it also swipes the anemic .380 ACP cartridge. With the .380 in a 9mm sized pistol and the horrific trigger, this pistol is chock full of suck and fail. Yea Olde Gonne Shoppe had a LC380 when it opened, and it’ll probably still be there when the store closes many years in the future. If a plus-sized .380 is desired, consider the Walther PPK – which has all sorts of style points to boot.  

        The second configuration is the basic LC9s.  It also comes with a left side external safety and a magazine disconnect. The safety is nicely recessed and would be difficult to engage accidently. If you engage it on purpose – well, that’s your problem. The magazine disconnect “safety” is just plain annoying. A witness hole is provided for checking the status of the barrel chamber. The pistol is sold with one 7 round magazine, an orange plastic dummy magazine and an unpadded gun rug. The dummy magazine satisfies some insane New Jersey regulation, but it’s very useful for practicing magazine changes and dry firing. When this version was introduced, it immediately received significant praise, especially when compared to the low bar set by the prior hammer-fired version.

To make the third configuration of the LC9s, Ruger got over their well-known fear of liability lawyers and did the unthinkable: they actually eliminated some so-called safety features. Ruger dropped the magazine disconnect and external manual safety to create the LC9s Pro. Many self-defense instructors recommend against the thumb safety and magazine disconnect for a self-defense firearm. In a life-or-death situation, the pistol simply has to work, work now, and work every time. Fumbling around with an external safety or dealing with a partially dropped magazine could take the remainder of a lifetime. With those deletions, the Pro is the definitive version of the pistol and our overwhelming recommendation for the best LC9s.   

Accessories:

As you’d expect, there’s a lot of options and accessories for this popular pistol.  Ruger has 14 additional SKUs, for colored, camoed, engraved, and otherwise tarted-up pistols that can be bought from the various firearm distributors. The poor pistol is even offered in Hospital Puss Green by TALO. There are lasers and lights and holsters and aftermarket sights in abundance. What we certainly recommend are the extended capacity mags for the necessary reloads. Ruger offers 9 round extended magazines; and ProMag has their well-regarded 10 rounders. We favor SnagMag’s vertical pocket magazine holsters. Another of our favorites is the Talon black granulate grip applique, for an enhanced grip.

Shooting:

        We found our LC9s to be an excellent shooter, accurate and reliable. The pistol shot to the point of aim at 7 yards. We’ve had no failures though about 300 mixed rounds of ball and hollow-point. The long grip allowing for a three fingers hold makes the pistol very controllable.  Managing the trigger reset was a simple task – this gun would be easy to shoot fast and accurately. Although we haven’t benchrested it yet, the LC9s looks to have more than acceptable accuracy for a self defense pistol.     

       

Summary:

       In our not so humble opinion, the Ruger LC9s Pro is one of the better concealed carry handguns out there. It combines the respected 9mm cartridge, an 8 round capacity, excellent overall ergonomics with quality and shoot-ability.  All for a good price. You just can’t go wrong.  

Rob-  How does the LC9s reset compare to glocks?

Matt- Video Handgun actions matter in recoil. https://youtu.be/lJyWfWREv1c?t=2m41s

Gary-

Paul –

Charlie Foxtrot
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Rob-

Concealed Carrier Saves a Cop’s Life

A Lee County, Florida deputy was about to lose his life. He was flat on his back being beaten mercilessly by the attacker above him. Then — a good samaritan appeared, and like the Biblical Good Samaritan, he was armed.   

The deadly attack started with a high speed chase. Deputy First Class Dean Bardes saw a driver dangerously using the left hand breakdown lane to speed past a traffic jam. After a chase in excess of a hundred miles per hour, the deputy pulled the car over near the I-75 Corkscrew Road exit. The driver leapt from his car, pulled the deputy from his cruiser, and began savagely beating him. According to a witness, “He just kept beating him and beating him, throwing him to the ground and punching him in all different directions.”  

As the armed man continued to thrash the deputy; a civilian acted. The licensed concealed carrier ran up, yelling for the attacker to get off the officer. In the words of another witness, “The guy that protected, shot the bad guy, was a guy that pulled over on the ramp and saw the guy beating the officer. He pulled out his gun.” With the deputy yelling “shoot him, shoot him, shoot him,” the CCW carrier again order the attacker away. When the attacker did not stop his assault, the civilian fired. “I heard like three shots. He fell down on top of the police officer,” said a witness. “After a moment, the police officer rolled him back over, got on his mic, then rolled over back on the ground besides the guy.”

The injured deputy was hospitalized and later released. He was seen wearing bandages and hugging other deputies as he left the hospital. The attacker died after receiving advanced first aid alongside the freeway. Any further information on the attacker is being withheld until the man’s next of kin can be notified. The good samaritan was unhurt. The Sheriff’s Department investigation is ongoing, but the CCW carrier is not expected to be charged.     

When seconds count, a concealed carrier can be there. Well done, sir. Well done indeed.  

Gary –

Rob- I wonder if the sheriff wants us to stand by, make a phone call, and be a good witness?  Thank you for protecting the life of innocents.

Paul-

Sheriff Wayne Ivey – https://youtu.be/t7ZG8SqaqgE

Two Toughs Threaten to Kill a Tougher 73-Year-Old

Two St Louis thugs surprised a 73-year-old puttering around in his closed garage. When one robber put a gun to the homeowner’s head and forced him back, the elderly gentleman pulled his pocketed handgun and fired. News helicopter video showed Jonathan Warren (18) of Florissant, and Lonnie Middlebrook (20) of Ferguson, Missouri lying motionless by the walk-in doorway of the garage, a thick stream of blood running into the alley.  

Witnesses heard 7 or 8 shots. Police recovered two firearms at the scene, in addition to the homeowner’s. One criminal’s gun was reported stolen several days earlier by the Florissant Police Department. The initial police investigation indicated that the shooting was in self-defense and the victim was not expected to be charged with any crime. The homeowner wisely refused to discuss the shooting with the media.

The elderly gentleman is said to be devastated by the incident. The retired fireman has lived in the home for decades and is known as a “super, super nice person.” Neighbors knew he was an avid hunter, but he was never seen carrying a firearm. But he may have seen crime before; neighbors believe he has been robbed at least once. Many of his neighbors are certain the homeowner wouldn’t have opened fire unless he was in fear for his life.

POGO saves another innocent life.

Rob- One news article I read said the homeowner only fired five times.  Note that trained police only hit their target with one out of five shots.  This homeowner hit his target center of mass 5 times.

Paul – good on the homeowner for keeping quiet with the media.

Rob- There is a huge impulse to talk when we’re scared after a frightening event.

Armed Civilian Saves Stabbing Victim

A 26-year-old woman is alive today because a good man with a gun acted to save her life. Summoned by the victim’s 911 call, police arrived minutes later at a Garner, North Carolina apartment house to find the young woman collapsed and bleeding in the parking lot. Her savior stood nearby; her attacker cowered in her apartment. The victim was transported to a local hospital, as was her assailant. There, Randolph Maurice Davidson, 32, died from multiple gunshot wounds. His victim underwent emergency surgery and will likely survive, but will need to remain in the hospital for a week or more.    

“My daughter would be dead if it weren’t for (the armed neighbor),” according to the victim’s mother. The 26-year-old man was in his own apartment when he heard a woman’s screams, he grabbed his gun and went outside to help. He found Davidson using a large kitchen knife to stab the woman. That attack had started when ex-boyfriend Davidson broke into the victim’s apartment, grabbed a kitchen knife, and attempted to kill her. She escaped to the parking lot, but Davidson caught her and resumed his attack. The neighbor was forced to shoot several times in order to save her life. Mortally wounded, Davidson stumbled back into the victim’s apartment, where he was later found by police.

The neighbor was roundly praised for his actions. According to police, no charges have been filed and the neighbor is not in custody.

When seconds count, 911’s help is only minutes away. However, a civilian’s firearm was there in those deadly seconds to make every bit of difference in a young woman’s life.    

* Randolph Maurice Davidson
A CCBI Photo

Matt –

Paul – I want to contrast this with the bunker in mentality.

Another Hero Brings a Gun to a Knife Fight

A CCW holder prevented multiple murders when he used his firearm to stop and detain a madman. Daniel Williams arrived at a Cedar Falls, Iowa apartment house to find a fresh slice of hell. Adam Scott Jacobsen, 28, attacked tenant Jeffrey Miller, 62, and William’s girlfriend, Denice Bennett, 47; stabbing both with a large knife. Williams stepped out of his car, pulled his gun, and ordered Jacobsen to the ground. The suddenly sane madman complied and remained on the ground until police arrived. Williams even had the presence of mind to holster his gun before the police showed up.  

Both victims were hospitalized. Miller is in critical condition with 24 stab wounds. Apartment manager Bennett endured eight stabbings; her condition is not known at this time. CCW carrier Williams was uninjured. Jacobsen was arrested and charged with two counts of attempted murder. The judge had set his bond at $1 million before the knifeman was hospitalized for medical and psychiatric treatment. The prosecutor thoughtfully requested paper restraining orders to prohibit Jacobsen from contacting his victims. The Chief Public Defender then asked the court to put everything on hold because of serious concerns about Jacobsen’s competency.

      Jacobsen’s competency was well known to the legal system. His last run-in with the law came when he attacked a woman tenant in another hotel he was staying at.  He hit, choked and threw her to the ground hard enough to knock her out. He later left voicemail messages threatening to beat her, rape her, and kill her and her children. For those acts he was convicted of a misdemeanor assault causing bodily injury and first-degree harassment, and sentenced to not more than two years in prison. However, he was soon back on the streets; credited with time served and paroled. There was no mention of any court appointed treatment for his obvious mental condition. In a recent rambling Facebook screed worthy of a tenured Urban Studies professor, he stated; “Yeah I’m (expletive deleted) crazy, bipolar scizo. Yeah I have thoughts of hurting myself and others.” Chillingly, he bragged about committing murders and not getting caught – and never, ever getting caught for his future murders.

The lesson here is clear: carry every day. You never know when you’ll meet with an “(expletive deleted) crazy” who’s been kicked free by the legal system to spread his insanity and horror amongst the public.  

POGO. POGO hard!

Adam Jacobsen

Booking Photo

Pizza Hut and the Decline of Western Civilization Very early in a Charlotte, North Carolina morning, three violent, armed criminals burst into a Pizza Hut restaurant. An employee reacted to the deadly situation with his legally possessed concealed weapon. The employee fired at an invader; fatally wounding 28-year-old Michael Grace. His two accomplices left Grace to die on the restaurant floor; they fled and have not been located. There were no customers in the closed for the night restaurant and none of the workers were harmed.

Pizza Hut placed the employee on leave pending completion of the official investigation. Pizza Hut’s corporate policy on employees carrying firearms varies by franchise location, and the specifics of the Charlotte franchise are not known at this time. Grace’s weapon was recovered at the scene; other facts support the contention of self-defense. As of now, police have not determined if the employee will face any charges. “The investigation is still ongoing,” a statement from CMPD read, “any new information will be released by Public Affairs.”

The parents of Michael Grace showed no such restraint, calling for the employee to be immediately jailed. “Why in the hell did this guy have a gun?” demanded Temia Hairston, the mother of the deceased Grace. “If there was to be a death, it was not the place of the employee at Pizza Hut. That is the place of law enforcement.” While admitting his son’s crime, Michael Grace Sr. said; “Even a criminal has a right, to a degree.”

A parent’s grief is certainly understandable. However, in a videoed interview, the angry parents stretched the bounds of reality. Excusing their son’s criminal actions, they said he had fallen on hard times and resorted to crime to provide for his own child. “It was an act of desperation, but I do not believe that Michael would have hurt anyone.” Hairston even said the shooting may have been personal, alleging past conflicts with restaurant employees. “This wasn’t a body shot. This was a head shot. My son was shot in the left side of his head just behind his ear. A head shot is personal,” opined Hairston. As if any shot isn’t ultimately personal.

Grace’s parents conveniently ignored the fact that their son had a deadly weapon in hand during the commission of a violent robbery. A reasonable man would have probably believed that all the elements of justifiable self-defense action were there: the ability, opportunity and intent to cause great bodily harm. Given that, there is no one to blame for their son’s death but their son. It’s all too easy to imagine a plaintiff attorney whispering those falsehoods, half truths, excuses and allegations; filling the ears of the parents with outrage and promises of large monetary awards.   

Many self-defense instructors warn about the civil lawsuit phase of a defensive shooting. Relatives who haven’t spoken to the deceased in decades may suddenly feel a deep, personal loss. A loss that could only be healed by a large amount of cash. The lawful concealed carrier should be aware of this unfortunate reality. Options in education, planning, and self-defense insurance should certainly be pursued.

Forewarned is forearmed.

Paul

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I had sent you several emails regarding the election. I never thought he had a chance at winning the electoral college. You guys were right, and I was wrong! The first time I thought you guys might be right was when the lines were longer than I’ve ever seen here in small town PA. I did my part and voted for trump even though I don’t personally like the guy.

So now we have the house, senate, presidency, and most of the governors, at least for two years. We need to keep the pressure on to get some of our rights back.

Thanks for all you do, and keep up the great work.

Neil  

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Can Trump Protect Gun Owners with His Phone and His Pen?

-Republican Politicians Have to Deliver.. or “You’re Fired”

Miscalculations of the 2016 Elections

-Not Quite Ready for Concealed Carry was posted at 2nd Call Defense.

Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

Gary- We’d like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, Rachel, Susan,Charlotte, and Rob,  Until the next time…

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

Charlotte: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 392 – We’re Back!

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- Election coverage

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Saturday, November 5th  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: We have to talk about elephant in the livingroom.. Or is that the ass in the whitehouse.  We’ll comment on the upcoming elections.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about how the US isn’t the most violent country on earth.

Charlotte: We talk about the former attorney general of PA getting led out of a courtroom… in handcuffs.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a restraining order that is a piece of paper that doesn’t stop bullets .. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 392 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Carried every day.  I’ve been investigating local ranges that rent handguns.

John – The most important thing I did this past week was vote. Barb and I voted this past Sat morning. We voted pro-gun down the line. In other news, I was a guest on the AR-15 Podcast along with Michael from the Competitive Rifle Podcast. We discussed the election, who we thought would win, and what would be the outcome under either Trump or Hillary. I will also be a guest this afternoon on GunFreedom Radio. Other than that, the only “gun related” stuff I did was place a couple of ammo orders. I wanted to avoid the feeding frenzy if, god forbid, Hillary wins. You can’t be too prepared. Gary, you’ve talked about defensive ammo in the past. What are your current recommendations?

Lucky Gunner Self-Defense Ammo tests.

Gary-

Charlotte-

Paul: LOTS of driving and starting to move our household.  I guest co-hosted with Rob on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio.  (laura carno, chris cerino, sean mahoney)

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2- News 1

You will take what the Dictator gives you, and like it!

On November 4, Newsweek published a rather disturbing article.  It provides one of the possible strategies that could be used by President Clinton to strip you of your Constitutionally protected rights.  Even Newsweek admits that Clinton has clearly stated her gun control agenda.  Her “public position” appears “reasonable” and “moderate,” while her “private position” is far more Draconian.  

Of course, one might expect President Clinton to begin this attack through the use of executive orders.  The only problem is that President Obama has overused that tactic to the point where such measures may be ineffective in the near term.  The strategy outlined by Newsweek involves the use of appointments to the Supreme Court and the ATF.  Of course, we all heard Mrs. Clinton state that she believes the Court got it wrong on the Heller decision.  So, it is just a matter of slipping through a liberal justice to overturn this decision and remove an individual right to keep and bear arms.  Isn’t it funny how Roe v. Wade must be treated as settled law, but Heller is up for grabs?  Dictators gonna dictate.  Congress becomes irrelevant.  

The second prong in this attack was suggested by Representative Etsy (D-CT).  She stated President Clinton could stack the leadership of the ATF and CDC.  The purpose of this is propaganda driven.  It would allow for a revised interpretation of the Dickey Amendment, which limits research into gun-related violence.  

It is our hope that hearing the words “President Clinton” several times will motivate you to do everything you can to stop this from happening.  Our representative republic has never been so overtly jeopardized.

Rob-  I wrote about Clinton disarming america at- “President Clinton’s Gun-Free America”

John – The control of the administrative agencies is critical.

Paul – I like the sound of Inmate Clinton rather than President Clinton

Gary-

Rob- Gut and amend-
Gary- Mike Bost

Rob- war of government vs government

Paul-

Rob-

Apprentice – Campaign Edition

The free enterprise system is alive and well at another packed Trump rally in Hershey, Pennsylvania.  A young woman, only identified as Ariel, realized there were more people at the rally than could possibly fit into the venue.  So, she sold some paper targets to those who couldn’t make it into the rally.  The targets were reasonably priced at two for $5.  A picture of Mrs. Clinton’s face adorned the target with the tag line, “Chipping away at your Gun Rights Since 1993, Killary Rotten Clinton.”  She earned $3,750 in just two hours!

Of course, Twitter was ablaze with indignation from the usual suspects.  Of course, they are silent when it is revealed that Democrats pay people to incite actual violence at Trump events.

Ariel, You’re Hired!

John – We had something similar in NC except it was Sen. Richard Burr.

BREAK

Pennsylvania AG sentenced and cuffed in courtroom  Former Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane was hand picked for her position and heavily funded by the Clinton political establishment.   She was being groomed to run for the Senate.  That has changed.. Probably, now that Ex Attorney General Kane was sentenced and lead from the courtroom in handcuffs.  She was sentenced to 10 to 23 months for two felony counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and seven misdemeanor charges.  She also received 8 years of probation.  Kane did not testify at her trial.  She resigned in August.

Kane joined the clinton campaign in 2007.  She ran for state attorney general in 2012.  She won with the help of the Clinton  establishment.. And a 2 million dollar contribution from her husband’s trucking firm.  Kane took office in 2013 and divorced her husband in 2014.

Prosecutors said that Kane’s paranoia ruined morale in the 800-person prosecutor’s office as well as the wider law enforcement community.  Kane damaged relationships between Pennsylvania Federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies.

“Through a pattern of systemic firings and Nixonian espionage, she created a terror zone in this office,” said Erik Olsen, a career prosecutor who’s now the chief deputy attorney general.

Bloomberg is also funding Kane’s replacement, Josh Shapiro. Mr. Shapiro is a former Pennsylvania State Representative and is the current chairman of the Montgomery County (PA) Board of Commissioners. Shapiro is the Democratic nominee for Attorney General of Pennsylvania.

Comment – John – I understand Bloomberg put up about $600K for her election. He’s only spending $250K on Shapiro – that is still 1 out 9 dollars invested in the AG campaign for both Dems and Reps.

Gary –

Paul -I wonder who her ex is going to vote for?

John – It’s about power.

Stolen guns from Coast to Coast-  Criminals don’t care about background checks and gun laws.  Thieves took hundreds of guns from a store in Longs, South Carolina.  The thieves struck as most residents took shelter from Hurricane Matthew.  About 225 guns were stolen from Five Star Guns.  Store owner Daniel Honeycutt thinks the crime was planned in advance. Honeycutt said a wall filled with AR-style rifles was completely stripped and gun cases were smashed to pieces. Shattered glass was scattered throughout the shop.  http://www.guns.com/2016/10/13/over-200-guns-stolen-from-sc-gun-shop-during-hurricane-matthew-video/

The problem of stolen firearms isn’t confined to the east coast.  Some 10 thousand guns are stolen each year in California.  Each year, over 150 of the stolen firearms come from California law enforcement agencies.  California politicians propose to make vulnerable Californian’s more vulnerable by requiring that honest citizens lock up their guns.

Rob- That is a great step backwards.

Paul- looking at the west coast thefts… I thought only police and military should have guns

Rob- Locking up a gun.. Like they required in the Heller case?

Gary- Gun Quotes- More: Those who are capable of tyranny are capable of perjury to sustain it.  Lysander Spooner

Roundtable on Presidential Election

Who do you think will win?

Charlotte-

Paul – Trump in a landslide

Rob-  Clinton steals the election while the Obama Department of Justice looks the other way.

Gary-

Rob- that is a feature, not a fault

John-

Rob-

What do you think will happen for gun owners if Hillary wins?

Paul – Supreme Court of the United States/Justices/Age/

83 years (March 15, 1933)

Ruth Bader Ginsburg

68 years (June 23, 1948)

Clarence Thomas

62 years (June 25, 1954)

Sonia Sotomayor

61 years (January 27, 1955)

John Roberts

78 years (August 15, 1938)

Stephen Breyer

56 years (April 28, 1960)

Elena Kagan

66 years (April 1, 1950)

Samuel Alito

80 years (July 23, 1936)

Anthony Kennedy

Rob- You will not live long enough to see the Clinton disaster set right.

John –

Gary –  

What do you think the impact will be if Trump wins?

Rob- Trump tries to trim the administrative state, and gets opposition from both the Republicans and Democrats.

John – Establishment will be aghast. Courts are a win for us.

Gary –

Paul – I have heard time and again “we need an outsider” Trump is THE quintessential outsider

Charlotte – Trump’s traction is spreading.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with defensive gun use.

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Mini-Mart Shoot-Out

The clerk of a Fort Lauderdale mini-mart was shot in the face by a vicious criminal. However, because the clerk had a gun, he was able to end the attack and survive. Surveillance video shows a man in a fright mask and skeleton gloves immediately sticking a gun in the clerk’s face and vaulting over the counter. As the clerk ran out of the video frame, he was closely followed by the gun-waving attacker. Almost immediately, the thug was back in view and falling to the floor, his gun skittering several feet away. He laid stunned for several seconds, then pulled the mask off, shakily got to his feet, and stumbled back the way he came. However, he left a pool of blood on the floor. The clerk had connected with several shots to the chest.

Curtis Sanders, 30, was later arrested and taken to the hospital where he was listed in stable condition. As could be expected, Sanders was a career criminal, having served five years on four burglary and two grand theft convictions. Counts of armed robbery, attempted murder, and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon will be added to his already considerable rap sheet.

Thankfully, the clerk’s injuries were not life-threatening, even though he had to be hospitalized. It is very likely his use of the gun saved him from additional injuries or even death at the hands of the violent criminal. We should note that the felon took several center mass hits and was still able to shake them off and make good his escape. Listeners should be aware of the ability of the human body of overcome trauma, at least in the short term. Shape your post-shooting response accordingly.  

Rob- Not carrying on body.  When seconds count, your gun should not be several seconds away.

John – It is amazing what a burst of adrenaline will do.

Gary – Your gun is not a magic talisman, you need to learn other self-defense skills

Paul – Just because you have been shot doesn’t mean that you are out of the fight

Winning the Limp to 911

A quiet night’s slumber was interrupted by the sounds of breaking glass in a Topeka, Kansas home. Startled, the woman homeowner grabbed her 9mm and left the safety of her bedroom to investigate. (Cue the horror movie music. Investigating an intrusion is NOT a good idea.) She found her neighbor, the aptly named Bruce Jolly, disarming her security system. There could be only one possible explanation, so she shot Jolly in the arm and hip.  

The no longer Jolly escaped, giving the homeowner time to win the race to 911. Jolly himself called 911, claiming he was the victim of a shooting and was hiding at a neighbor’s house. Police kindly picked him up, took him to the hospital, — and then arrested him. Hardly unexpectedly, police found drugs in Jolly’s system. The homeowner later opined; “The drugs were what allowed him to survive the shot because it was a hollow tip.” Seems there’re a lot of things Methed up in Topeka. In the jury trial, Jolly was convicted of aggravated burglary and given a sentence of less than five years. It came out in the trial that the intruder had a machete while in the house, causing the homeowner to correctly wonder what could have happened if she didn’t have a gun.

The woman says she has learned a lot from her Jolly encounter and hopes others do too. “You don’t have to have a conceal and carry to have a gun in your home, and why wouldn’t you want to protect yourself? In this, we certainly agree with her.  

Gary- Don’t investigate a bump in the night.  Let the police do that.

Paul- Let’s please get some training.

Rob- Clearing a house scares me to death.  What do our listeners think?

Long Distance Violation of Restraining Orders
A distance of twenty five hundred miles meant nothing to a jilted lover. The multiple restraining orders offered no more protection than the paper they were printed on. The victim’s panicked 911 call failed to immediately bring the cops. What made a difference was a gun in good hands when the stalker burst into the expensive home and opened fire.


The trendy San Francisco suburb of Los Altos Hills was the scene of the potential multiple killing. A woman had fled there to escape the attentions of William Brady III, 43, of Georgia. Brady found her in California, and walked up to the home armed with a handgun. His approach was seen, and while the woman frantically dialed 911, her male relative armed himself.  

Brady knocked down the door and immediately began shooting at the three occupants. The male resident returned fire, hitting Brady several times, forcing him from the home. Deputies, backed by a SWAT Team and an armored vehicle, arrived many minutes later to arrest the wounded Brady. When he is released from the hospital, the ex will be charged with attempted murder. Neither the woman, nor her relatives were injured. Police say the shooting was an obvious case of self-protection. Even near Baghdad by the Bay, the armed homeowner will not be charged with any crime.

The woman should be thankful that when distance, restraining orders and 911 calls all failed, her relative had the tools to successfully defend her life. Tools that trendy San Francisco progressives are trying to eliminate from the hands of law-abiding citizens.

Rob-  Hard to get a ccw in California.  

John – It is as if the politicians assume that you will become a sniper shooting an intruder at hundreds of yards.

Charlotte – Been there – Done that

Gary –

Paul – I LOVE the fact that none of the victims will not be charged. If I remember the story correctly the defender used a shotgun

Rob- They

Crime and Punishment at Frisko Freeze

An armed man threatened two others in a car at a Tacoma, Washington burger stand — and paid with his life. Witnesses heard three or four gunshots, followed by more shots 30 seconds later. The gunfire had employees ducking behind the milkshake machine and patrons fleeing the parking lot. A “friend” (in most states that would be an accomplice) drove Terry Webb, 26, to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead. A woman has been arrested, but her role in the attack has not been released.

The investigation is proceeding, but Officer Loretta Cool, of the Tacoma Police Department, has already said the victim was right to carry his weapon and to defend himself. Tacoma police, in their role as armed historians, used a new tool to create a 360-degree scan of the area and develop a computerized model of the scene. Police have released little other official information. The armed citizen was not arrested, and it is not expect that the victim will face any charges as it seems a clear case of self-defense.  

Even in the parking lot of a landmark burger stand, trouble can find you. it’s important to always be armed. Having the foresight to carry his firearm might have saved a man and his friend from injury or death.

POGO. Now more than ever.

Gary –

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I find it worth noting that we are lucky to be having the discussion about a Permit to Carry holder being too restrained versus the opposite. This took place at a Walmart in St. Cloud not too long after a legitimate knife wielding terrorist attack injuring 8 or so. In light of that you would predict people would be fearful and much more trigger prone.
-Clayton

Thanks to this and other podcasts I have been listening to for the past few years, I found myself knowingly increasing my threat level the other evening.

We were out to dinner at a small Chinese restaurant.  I was sitting such that I was facing the front where the counter is.  This is where you would pay your bill or would pick up takeout.  The doorway was to my right, separated by a low wall that allowed me to see anyone entering from the shoulders and up.  A man walked in wearing a hoodie with the hood up even though the outside temperature was near 80 degrees.  That was the first thing that got my attention.

My mind started planning and considering options: 1) where is the nearest exit?  2) what can the expression on the face of the employee serving this guy tell me (we were facing each other)?, 3) is my handgun in a good position for a draw?, 4) where would I have to be to get a clear shot without endangering others?, 5) is there a danger to anyone in the business next door?

As it turned out, the guy was just in the mood for Chinese.

Kick it around ladies and gentlemen.  Give us all more to think about, please.

Stay safe.

Carl

Rob- Good work, Carl.  You’re thinking things through ahead of time.

Paul – I like the thinking that Carl is doing. I try to do this in all public places from time to time

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

There is a news blackout on Hillary Clinton’s crimes.  The FBI investigation goes unreported on the big three networks.  I wrote about the little people who took down hillary clinton and refused to be silent.  LIttle people like the New York vice squad and FBI evidence technicians.  That article is called “Revolt of the little people.”  Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  And at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

There are two blog posts I’d like to highlight. The first features some good news. According to a recent Gallup poll, over 60% of Americans would oppose a new assault weapons ban. This is an all-time high and quite a change as it is a reverse of where it was in year 2000. The second post highlights some news out of the Obama Administration that should anger everyone. Listeners may remember that the VA reports any vet who needs help managing his or her finances to the FBI’s NICS check system as a prohibited person. This case involves a vet who manages his own finances and was secretly put on a finance watch list that still led him to be denied when he went to purchase a firearm. The VA isn’t Dean Wormer with his double secret probation. It is an agency that should give the vets it supposedly helps due process.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Gary- We’d like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, Rachel, Susan,Charlotte, and Rob,  Until the next time…

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 391 – When Seconds Count

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1- Open and Personal News Segment: 

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3- Interview Segment 1: R.P. Ruggero

4- Geeks Gadgets and Guns talks about Samsung

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on October 16th, 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we talk with author R. P. Ruggerio about his third and last book in the  series “Brushfire Plague”.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Houston 9-1-1 operator who continually hung up on people – even in life and death situations.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll give you the death toll from shootings in the “gun-free” city of Chicago.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we will talk about a criminal that brought a bat to a gunfight…. So climb aboard,

Rachel: strap in

John: and hang on!

Paul:  episode 391 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob –  I got in some dry practice before I went to the Texas Firearms Festival.  I got to see the lovely and talented Rachel Malone in person.. As well as Dr. John Edeen, Scott and Mandy Gibbons, Tracy Thronberg and the Roberts.  What is the most popular concealed carry handgun?  They were not there to try.

John – The only thing gun related that I’ve done this week was think about assembling my AR pistol lower. I had planned to do it yesterday but other stuff needed to be done. I did register for the SHOT Show and have tried to register Barb for her Media Badge. If you are friends with me on Facebook you know the difficulties I’ve been having with that. I’m more than a little disgusted and if I was less restrained I’d say something that would get this podcast an explicit rating.

 

Rachel

  • Pecos – made it all the way without DQing a single stage (DQ’s are when you don’t make all the hits before the time runs out). Lesson: training works. Train physically AND mentally, exactly how you want to perform. I didn’t perform at my best, but my worst (tired, hot, not feeling well) was plenty good enough.
  • CSAT Instructor Course – it was a challenge to shoot the standards. Very proud of getting this certification. Lessons: (1) sometimes less is more in teaching. Give fewer points and make sure they’re taught and applied thoroughly. (2) I like the way that the pistol standards give no room for error. You have to do everything mechanically correctly. (4) I’ve been shooting .40 this year as an experiment. I struggled with the fast shots and one-handed shots, and ended up switching to 9mm to make the standards. .
  • Texas Firearms Festival – glad I got to run the rifle range today. Lessons: (1)  gadgets and optics don’t make up for crappy shooting. Better to have a plain stock rifle and have solid fundamentals. (2) I was impressed with Gunwerks guys and ATX Armory – they seemed the most squared-away and on the same page as I am. I want to attend a Gunwerks distance rifle course.

 

Gary

 

Paul/Susan –

 

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1- Houston – We have a problem

A 9-1-1 operator is accused of intentionally hanging up on callers during emergencies simply because she was not in the mood to help. Crenshanda Williams has been charged with interference with an emergency telephone call. Williams had been employed as a telecommunicator with the Houston Emergency Center since July 2014, and supervisors began to notice that her logs revealed an abnormally high amount of “short calls,” with a duration of less than 20 seconds. Supervisors investigated the recorded call logs, and found that Williams had disconnected thousands of calls between Oct. 2015 and March 2016. Williams raised suspicion on March 12 when she allegedly hung up on several callers – one call was ended immediately after she picked it up. During another call, an operator — identified as Williams — is heard answering “Houston 911, do you need medical, police or fire?” When the male caller responded, “This is a robbery,” Williams is heard sighing before hanging up. Investigators tracked down the robbery/shooting caller, who confirmed someone hung up the phone the first time he called in, frustrating him, and he had to call back a second time. By the time police arrived, a person was dead. Investigators said that the following day, Williams hung up on several more people, including a security officer who was attempting to report a dangerous street racing incident. The operator, again identified as Williams, said “Houston 911, do you need medical, police or fire?” The caller only had time to say “This is officer Molten. I’m driving on 45 South right now and I am at ……” before Williams ended the call. Although the call was disconnected, the recording captured Williams saying, “Ain’t nobody got time for this. For Real.” The officer called in again, and a different 911 operator picked up and assisted him. Investigators reached out to the officer, who also confirmed the “hang up call” on that day. Police say Williams admitted to disconnecting the calls because she “did not want to talk to anyone at that time.” Investigators said Williams’ actions prevented and interfered with the callers’ ability to request assistance during an emergency and charges were filed against her. Williams’ bond was set at $1,000.

 

Rob- This is why I like the private sector.  We get to fire people in the private sector. The government wants us to depend on them?

Rachel-

Paul – She needs to spend time in jail

John – A year and one day –

 

2-The Ferguson Effect

 

A Chicago police officer pulled up to an accident scene earlier this month and nearly lost her life when dealing with the people involved with the accident.

 

The female officer, a 17 year veteran of the CPD got into a physical confrontation with a man who was high on PCP and decided not to use her firearm although the man beat her head into the pavement repeatedly until she lost consciousness.  

 

Her superintendent spoke to the Chicago Tribune and stated ”As I was at the hospital last night, visiting with her, she looked at me and said she thought she was gonna die, and she knew that she should shoot this guy, but she chose not to because she didn’t want her family or the department to go through the scrutiny the next day on national news”

 

While we understand what she was thinking we have to mention that she very well could have died and when she lost consciousness she lost control of her firearm, thereby effectively giving it to a VERY bad guy.

 

John – I find this very sad. What would have family have gone through if she had died?! That would have been far worse.

Rachel – Lesson for us: think about this very thing before you ever put on a gun. If you can’t overcome these obstacles, if you know that, in the worst case scenario when your life is on the line, you wouldn’t choose to pull the trigger, then don’t carry a gun.

 

3- 7 killed, 32 wounded in Chicago weekend shootings 10/15/2016, 01:48am

Seven men were killed and at least 31 others have been wounded in shootings across Chicago since Friday evening.

The weekend’s most recent homicide happened Saturday morning in the Little Village neighborhood on the Southwest Side.

Rob- Why should it change?

 

4- Gun Control 101

There has been a wealth of information about the Clintons provided by Wikileaks during the month of October.  It should come as no surprise that the establishment media chooses to ignore these revelations.  You know, Donald Trump made some inappropriate comments 11 years ago!  There just isn’t enough time in a 24 hour news cycle to cover both stories.

 

One of these issues was discovered in the email communications of Hillary’s campaign manager, John Podesta.  Clinton and her staff were working on an essay for Marie Claire magazine to further their gun control agenda.  The emails being exchanged made it clear that Clinton and her staff were selectively discarding gun uses that did not further their agenda.  According to AWR Hawkins of Breitbart News, a story about a shooting where a black man, Jordan Davis, was killed by a white man did not make the cut because they assumed the incident was racially motivated.  This case is summarized in Andrew Branca’s, The Law of Self Defense.  Davis’ killer was convicted of numerous charges, including murder.  However, Davis was involved in escalating the confrontation and allegedly pointed a shotgun-like object and threatened to kill the white man.  The focus of the article was supposed to be about domestic abuse victims.  Selective use of data to further an agenda is stacking the deck and inappropriate.  

 

Clinton also asserted that “thousands of children die” from guns.  This is another case of manipulation of facts.  Gang members aged 15 to 17 that are involved in criminal activity are included in these figures.  However, the statistics are presented to give the impression that they are speaking of the deaths of innocents.  You can say that cats kill people if you include lions and tigers.

 

Rob- vet your media.

John – I think the Instapundit has had it right.

 

4- Interview  R. P. Ruggerio Book three of the series “Brushfire Plague”

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5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Don’t Bring a Bat to a Gunfight

“Have you ever been hit on the head by a bat?” That was the question the bat-wielding Philip Keys, 30, asked a 22-year-old couple in a St Cloud, Minnesota Wal-Mart parking lot. When Keys closed with the retreating couple and raised his bat to strike, the husband pulled his legally possessed CCW and ordered the attacker to drop his bat.  

Showing more sense than his appearance would indicate, Keys let loose the bat and fell to the parking lot. Repenting his sanity, he got up and walked away. He was allowed to leave by the CCW Permit holder. No shots were fired, and the victims were unhurt. Police later arrived, located and arrested Keys, who could face second-degree assault charges.  

Although all the elements of a justifiable self-defense shooting were there: Ability, Opportunity and Intent, the husband first chose to rely on his shouted orders and the sight of the gun to stop the attacker. From the reports, Keys seemed well within the Tueller Limit when commanded to stop, putting the CCW carrier at significant risk of injury or death. Fortunately, the unstable man did stop, giving this DGU the best of all possible outcomes: an attack safely ended without a shot being fired.  

We commend the couple for their actions in the attack: they were situationally aware and moved to distance themselves from the threat, and when retreat was no longer possible, and the requirements of the Deadly Force Triad had been exceeded, the CCW carrier used his weapon to dissuade the criminal. The man exhibited considerable humanity in giving the attacker one more chance. He then correctly allowed the batman to leave. Even more, the man had the foresight to obtain his Concealed Carry Permit and then to carry his firearm, even though he and his wife were only going to a “safe” Wal-Mart.

 

Well done, people. Well done, indeed.  

I think we can certainly chalk this up as another win for POGO.  You listening Bloomberg?      

 


Photo courtesy of the Stearns County Jail

Paul – Great use of restraint.

 

You CAN’T Have it Your Way!!!

Two young adults and three juveniles found they couldn’t Have it Their Way in an Indianapolis, Indiana Burger King. Their city-wide string of nine violent armed robberies in three days came to a halt when one man interrupted their spree. Fate was kind to the victims, the public-spirited citizen happened to be a concealed carrier and just happened to be a firearms instructor.  

The five entered the Burger King in hoodies and masks and carrying guns. One juvenile immediately pointed his gun at a cashier and demanded money. The CCW carrier had seen the quintuple putting on their masks and followed them inside. When the workers were   threatened, the instructor acted. As he ordered the robbers to the floor, one armed juvenile turned toward the customer, who opened fire. In the exchange of fire, the robber fired one to the instructors five times, who connected with a superficial wound to his opponent’s arm. The criminal dropped his firearm and ran from the Burger King.  He was followed by his four accomplices, one who also dropped his gun. The citizen, and all the the employees and customers in the restaurant were unhurt in the gunfire.  

 

The five were later arrested by Indianapolis police. Four of the master criminals immediately confessed their crime spree to the police. We wonder if the fifth was at the hospital being stitched and doped up. All five could be charged with felony armed robbery and kidnapping. The wounded juvenile could face an additional felony charge of attempted battery by means of a deadly weapon.

 

Police commended the actions of the firearms instructor, as do we. He could have certainly taken the safer, and probably wiser, path of simply being a good witness. However, this sheepdog chose to act to protect the innocents. Well done, sir.   

 

Rob- Again, was this well practiced defender wise or lucky?

 

Paul – what are you doing following robbers into a robbery site?

 

Rachel – agreed with both. Also, sometimes gut feelings are true. But in a life or death situation, you’d better be REALLY sure you can trust your gut feeling before doing something like this. In the end, #wewerentthere.

Gary –

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Rob-

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Hey Paul let me know if you need me to come with and climb around caves so you don’t hurt your back looking for antique Japanese rifles! 😉

-Clayton

Congrats on the Shield 9mm, Paul! I tell customers at the range I’d buy three if I could justify the spending, I have six different ways to carry them! -Clayton

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Thanks for having Charlie Cook on the show! Charlie, I am proud of you for furthering your instructor skillset. Very cool of you being known for shotgun riding!

 

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Working hard to keep those recipes off the air, thanks for appreciating me Gary! -Clayton

 

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All,

Thanks for the coverage of GRPC; I was registered last year and unable to attend. Dallas would certainly make things easier for me in 2017.

 

To add to the the “can of worms” John mentioned, anyone interested in this subject should check out Krisanne Hall’s podcasts at krisannehall.com. Search for “convention” in the upper right corner of her site and you’ll find her five part series on this subject. She references the Congressional Research Service’s opinions on the subject and notes that Congress has not been ignoring this possibility. Evaluate her opinions for yourself, but the series is well worth a listen by anyone who wonders about the effectiveness of such a convention or how it might function.

 

Also, I am completely against a national reciprocity agreement. Anytime we invite government, especially the Federal government, into our business it ends up badly for freedom. We are simply asking for a subsequent congress or regulatory agency to establish a system that we will regret. As much as a pain as it is now, far better in my opinion to let gun states be gun states, and not force them under a big umbrella with the likes of CA, NJ, MA, or HI. It won’t end well for gun owners. I would rather see this issue worked at the state level with mutual agreements.

 

Todd

San Diego

 

Paul – The 14th amendment should be  

 

Rob- Are we going to play hardball back?  What has playing by the rules brought us?

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Hi all!

Thanks for the GRPC coverage, much appreciated from all of us who couldn’t make it.

It was interesting to hear your George Zimmerman interview. He’s always been painted as a loose cannon, yet he sounded very polite and relatable. I am grateful he was able to help Paul through his struggle with an evil prosecuting attorney.

Also appreciate you folks dishing out political advice to people who think their vote doesn’t matter! Even if you can only make a difference in your local government, that adds up!

I appreciate the coverage on Mr. Falconer stopping the terrorist in St. Cloud. That one hit home for me, I’ve been to that mall! I have a lot friends in St. Cloud.
The attack had a few silver linings around here: showing the world an IDPA shooter saving lives with his skill set was a good one!
A substantial number of sheep-people realized things like this can happen anywhere and that they didn’t have a way to stop maniacs with knives unless they got some training and acquired weapons of their own.
I feel it also got a lot of criticism off the backs of people like us who already carry. I just had a friendly encounter with two police officers in Champlin, Minnesota, after which they referenced the mall stabbing and said they appreciated me being armed.

Stay polite but stay dangerous!
-Clayton
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We had a listener send us this link http://m.startribune.com/vikings-fan-in-wisconsin-stabbed-7-times-in-altercation-over-inflatable/396670751/

 

Even though it is not a DGU I wanted to mention it in the listener feedback segment.

 

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I’ve not yet been so, uh, inspired to STOP the podcast playing in my ears and immediately go to my email machine and send you a note.  At 1:37:00 in episode 390 (GRPC episode), John said, “The key thing to remember about a convention of the states is that they can propose anything, any changes, they have no rules. Once you have a convention of the states anything can be proposed, including getting rid of the Second Amendment.”  This is correct.  However, your unstated–but glaringly obvious–belief is that these proposals can come out of the convention of states as new law by conventional fiat.

 

WRONG

 

What you are thinking of is a Constitutional Convention, the likes of which we have had only once.  A convention of states is merely a way for the STATES to propose Constitutional amendments.  So far, only the Congress has proposed amendments.  The states have never done so, even though clearly given the authority by the Constitution through a convention of states.

 

Every amendment that is proposed by the convention of states must go through the exact same process of getting ratified by three-quarters of the states’ legislatures.  That process will keep every bad idea (and probably most good ideas) from ever becoming ensconced in our great Constitution.  A convention of states is NOT “opening a can of worms.”

 

Please, John, do not pass along faulty information that shows yourself ill-informed.  Instead, advocate for a convention of states since there are so many issues that our corrupt Congress would NEVER propose, including term limits for law-makers and judges and requirements for balanced budgets.

 

With all due respect and admiration,

 

Chris

John – I’d like to respond to Chris since I’m mentioned in his email. His presumption that I thought anything proposed by a Convention of the States became instantly law is erroneous. Having taken two semesters of Constitutional Law in college I know as well as he does what Article V specifies. However, I still do think that a Convention of the State is a can of worms and I don’t think this is ill-informed. As reasonable people,we will continue to have a difference of opinion.

 

Rachel- I wasn’t present for the discussion on the last episode, but I’ve had plenty of conversations on the subject. I am not in favor of a constitutional convention, or an Article V convention (many people distinguish the two). There are lots of reasons, so I’ll just mention one right now: people. What people exactly is it who would be involved in this convention of the states? (probably some sort of delegates….chosen by the people….let me think, isn’t Congress made up of delegates…chosen by the people?) What people would be writing amendments? What people would be responsible for ratifying and enforcing these? In short, why do we think a new system or set of rules or amendments will make a difference? If the people of the United States have gotten us where we are now and are keeping us here, I don’t believe a new system is really going to change that. I was raised in a cult that was obsessed with always creating a new system. Anytime things were messed up, a convention was called and new principles and systems were taught. We implemented them rigorously. It never fixed anything. A new system will not fix broken people.

 

That having been said, I could be wrong. Either way, you are absolutely entitled to your own belief, and I still support your efforts to create change in the way you believe is most effective. If we end up with a convention of the states, I absolutely hope it ends up well.

 

Paul

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about babysitting.. And carrying around small children.  The article is called “Guns and Kids- should you be armed around children”  It was my first article for the blog at  Second Call Defense.  My articles are up at Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog No Lawyers Only Guns and Money

 

I want to give a shout-out to Buckeye Firearms for their great use of technology to advance gun rights. They have a smart phone app that will tell you who the pro-gun candidates are by putting in your address. The other important blog post of the week concerns the support for the universal background check initiative on the Nevada ballot by a number of casino chains in Las Vegas. 15 out of the 24 official hotels for the SHOT Show are owned by companies that have donated between $25 and $50K each to the gun control effort. If Question 1 passes, the SHOT Show should and must be moved out of Las Vegas. You can’t reward the enemies of freedom. Check the post to see if your hotel hates freedom.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Paul – SHOT or NRA?

 

We are a proud founding member of the Self Defense Radio Network, We would like to suggest that you listen to other shows on the network as well like…

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank R P Ruggerio for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Festus, Craig, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 390 – GRPC After Action

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- GRPC After Action

4- Interview Segment 2: George Zimmerman

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Saturday, October 8th, 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have a guest interview with George Zimmerman.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about how the Federal agents had local police to send them license plate scans … from gun shows.

Charlie: I’m Charlie Cook, and we will also talk about a big 2nd Amendment win in the 9th circuit.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we will talk about the terrorist attack in Minnesota that was stopped by a good guy with a gun. So climb aboard,

Charlie: strap in

John: and hang on!

Paul:  episode 390 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

(Paul- Rachel is away this episode, so we’ll start with Rob.  How have you been since GRPC.

 

Rob- I went to the range.  We had the bay to ourselves so we could conduct a little move and shoot exercise.  I bought a new outside the waistband holster from Concealment Solutions.  It is the sidewinder pro, and it is much more comfortable than my old holster.  I also got a horizontal magazine pouch from Blade-Tech.  I had fun with Bill and Greg on The Firearms Chat.  I’ll be on Armed Lutheran Radio with Lloyd Bailey this Tuesday.  I had a great time with Jeff and Robyn Street at the Gun-Rights Policy Conference, and I had Jeff on the recent episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  September was a new record month so thank you to our new listeners.  Paul and I will host Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio on Monday evening October 17th.

 

John – Since GRPC I was a guest on Bill Chachkes’ The Firearm Chat talking about the riots in Charlotte and how the pistol purchase permit forced people to see other means of self-defense. On Sunday, Barb and I will be working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth at the Asheville Gun Show. Our statewide elections are very close and the pro-gun candidates need all the help they can get.

 

Charlie

Gary

 

Paul/Susan Paul is back to working after GRPC – new shield – range report. Susan recovering from surgery.

 

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2- News 1

Big Brother is at it again.  According to a recent Wall Street Journal article, federal agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement have conceived a plan to monitor you.  It seems that the feds were utilizing data from license plate cameras at gun shows in Southern California.  Perhaps they are trying to close the infamous “gun show loophole?”  Of course, many Second Amendment advocates are concerned about this apparent violation of Fourth Amendment protections.  

 

Even the ACLU stated that this, “highlights the problem with mass collection of data.”  The agency is viewing two completely legal activities (purchasing firearms and crossing a border) to determine who is likely to be involved in criminal activity.

 

Erich Pratt of Gun Owners of America, expressed his group’s opposition to such tactics.  He stated, “information on law-abiding gun owners ends up getting recorded, stored, and registered, which is a violation of the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection act and of the Second Amendment.”  

 

Other people quoted as objecting to this practice include the gun show’s CEO and John Chigos, CEO of PlateSmart Technologies, Inc.  When a company selling these products believes this is targeted abuse of the technology, you can be fairly certain these practices are questionable.

 

An internet search of the topic revealed that The Department of Homeland Security issued a Privacy Impact Assessment related to this type of activity.  The document provides flowery language regarding training, privacy risk and limitations.  However, it is clear that ICE intends to use such data, “to help locate the subjects of enforcement actions and investigations.”  It also states that they will not create a database from these activities.  How many of you believe that?

 

John – Could you imagine if pro-gun people scanned license plates and posted them on the Internet after a Moms Demand event? The media would be all over it.

Rob- ICE runs guns to Mexico.  ICE can’t find illegal immigrants, but they can find my license plate at a gun show.  President Obama has weaponized another branch of government.

Gary –

John – The answer to your question is that ICE crafted this plan in 2010.

 

2- News 2

There is some good news coming out of the courts this week.  The U.S. District Court for the Northern Mariana Islands rendered a generally favorable Second Amendment ruling.  This is refreshing after the disappointing 9th Circuit ruling on the Peruta case.  

 

The case was filed by Paul Murphy, a persistent man as you’d expect from an Army Ranger and war veteran.  Murphy challenged seven aspects of the Commonwealth’s statutory law including:  Licensing and registration, storage at home, large capacity magazines, rifle calibers above .223, an “assault weapon” ban, transporting operable firearms and a whopping $1,000 tax on handguns.

 

Chief Judge Ramona Manglona cited the “plain language” of the Second Amendment as well as the Heller and McDonald decisions in her ruling.  Although she upheld a ban on concealed carry by citing Peruta, she upheld the right to open carry.  Judge Manglona recognized that the Commonwealth cannot create limitations to public carry that result in virtual elimination of the right to bear arms.  The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals seemed to miss this logical conclusion in its Peruta decision.

 

Manglona struck down the “assault weapons” ban as it relates to rifle accessories.  These accessories include pistol grips, thumbhole stocks, folding or telescoping stocks, flare launchers, flash suppressors and forward pistol grips.  In an unusual display of common sense, the judge pointed out the folly of banning accessories that increase one’s ability to shoot accurately.  Yes, it really is desireable for the shots to hit their intended target!

 

The Commonwealth’s $1,000 handgun tax was struck down with particularly strong language.  The Court stated, “The power to tax is not just the power to fund the government, it is the power to destroy.”  Judge Manglona recognized the tax, “comes close to destroying the Second Amendment right to acquire ‘the quintessential self-defense weapon.’”  The Commonwealth’s gun registration system was also eliminated as it was deemed unjustified on the grounds of public safety.

 

On a negative note, the judge did uphold the ban on magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds.  The reasoning for this decision is familiar; it could reduce deaths in mass shootings.  Although we do not agree with this particular aspect of the ruling, as a whole, this decision is a big win for the good guys and gals.  If only more Federal court judges would apply the law as thoughtfully as Judge Manglona.

 

John – We were VERY lucky on this case. As Paul said, Mr. Murphy represented himself.

Rob- I thought he was represented by the SAF?

 

Gun Quotes- I want a government small enough to fit inside the constitution.  Harry Browne

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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3- GRPC report

Rob- Part of GRPC is absolutely inspiring. We see champions of human rights from across the US and in fact around the world.  Then we hear Sidney Powell, Esq., author, Licensed to Lie: Exposing Corruption in the Department of Justice

4- Interview 2 – George Zimmerman

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) We are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Because: Texas!
Four men attempted to rob a Conroe, Texas jewelry store, and received a very Texas-like welcome.   

 

The four men in black entered the store with guns drawn; demanding jewelry, purses and valuables. As an employee drew a gun, one or more of the attackers opened fire. Multiple employees, probably three or more, returned the thugs’ fire. The tables were definitely tipped in their favor when Jeffrey Turner, of Jeff’s Jewelry, added his AK-47 to the fracas.  

According to Conroe Police Lieutenant Dorcy McGinnis; “There was a lot of gunfire.” That’s really an understatement, as news video shows glass blown out of the doorway and many bullet holes in the store’s plate glass windows. Some of those holes appeared to be Texas-sized. Three criminals fled in a Dodge Charger, leaving the fourth’s body, the one who was the first to fire, in the shattered doorway. The getaway car was abandoned, and the escapees are still on the loose. Thankfully, none of the store’s customers or employees were hurt in the gun battle.


This is not the first time Jeff’s Jewelry has been robbed. Two years ago, a plumber’s van backed up to the store before opening time. Five men jumped out and used sledgehammers to break down the doorway. They stopped when they saw an employee grabbing a shotgun. Yelling; “They’ve got guns! Let’s get out of here!”, they ran away. That important lesson was lost on this latest group of criminals. Jeffrey Turner certainly learned from the experience, and brought in the additional firepower of an AK-47 to better defend his customers and employees. All those who decry the so-called assault weapons should reflect on what this good gun in the hands of a good guy did: it served to successfully defend the lives of innocent victims.

 

   All criminals should think twice about robbing a jewelry store in Texas. Crime doesn’t pay, especially when it might just get you a Texas-sized reception with some very capable civilian firearms.

Charlie-have you seen that “shopping in texas video” where someone pulls a cork from a bottle and everyone draws their guns?

Rob- Family were employees.  They needed their guns to protect themselves.

John – Shows why you need a standard capacity magazine – that is more than 10 rounds.

Paul – And the employees only dropped ONE of the bad guys.

Charlie- isn’t that how Massad Ayoob started out?  As for high cap mags, I tell students bad guys have friends.

Rob- The store employees need training and practice to save their family.

John – We forget about the impact of stress.

 

Another Night In Chicago:

Meanwhile, in The City of Peace, that violent burg known as Chicago, a motorist was forced to defend his life when assaulted by two armed thugs. The 22-year-old victim was sitting in his car with another man when two men with pistols threatened them and demanded their money. The concealed carry permit holder reacted, shooting one of the robbers in the head. Treamel Gray, 23, died at the scene.


The coroner ruled the death as a homicide. But, unlike the vast majority of the killings in Chicago, this one was a justifiable homicide, and the police will not file charges.   

 

Treamel Gray’s Facebook page provides a window into the life — and perhaps death — of the man. Gray’s Facebook username was TKillar and his page features a profile picture of Gray and a friend pretending to point guns at the viewer. We do know that a legally possessed weapon allowed two men to survive the attack of TKillar.

 

Rob-

 

A Gunnie Saves Lives in Jihadi Mall Attack

With a cry to Allah in his throat and a knife in his hand, a man rampaged through a St Cloud, Minnesota mall, leaving a bloody trail of ten victims. The Somali immigrant, dressed in his security guard uniform, asked some if they were Muslim before stabbing the victims with a large knife. Others were brutally knifed without a word. One man stepped into that desperate situation and ended what is now known by everyone, but the Feds, to be a terrorist attack. Surveillance videos show the suspect striking at the defender, who fired his CCW firearm in return. The attacker got up to resume his attacks three times before the final shot.

 

Jason Falconer is the man who ended the Jihadi attack. Officials and the media quickly button-holed him as a police chief. But, he’s much more than a cop: He’s a gunnie! One of us. And we can – and should – be more like him.  

The established media could have easily provided a fuller picture of this hero, but it was left up to new media to provide the real story: Falconer was a small-town police chief and a current part-time cop. However, that is only a small part of the man. His full-time job is managing Tactical Advantage, his shooting range offering sales, gunsmithing services and personal security training. He’s also an IDPA competitor and three-gun shooter. And he’s a dedicated concealed carrier.  But mostly, he’s a sheepdog, someone who’s dedicated a large portion of his life to improving his capabilities and helping those around him. And in this, we can all certainly be like him.  

 

Radical Islamists (there, Mr. President, we said it for you,) were quick to embrace the mall knifeman and claim responsibility for the attack. This homegrown terrorist was apparently radicalized and instructed via the internet by ISIS. Social media and Google Drive are delivering ISIS’ glossy terror magazine, Rumiyah, to potential jihadis worldwide. The on-line magazine suggests a campaign of knife attacks designed to attain a reasonable kill count, advising that “the more gruesome the attack, the closer one comes to achieving the desired objective to terrorize an entire nation.” The Islamist terror converts are asked to prey on small crowds, or individuals walking alone in a street, park, forest, beach or quiet neighborhood.

It’s obvious to most that this “open-source jihad” is an active and growing threat in America. As already noted, these distributed attacks are best fought by a distributed defense: that is, an armed populace. In this, Jason Falconer’s Minnesota mall example is important; it shows what a man who has trained and practiced, carrying a concealed weapon, and acting with courage and resolve can do. Falconer acted to protect his family and those around him; he is the prototypical good man with a gun doing good things. We can all do that, we can take responsibility for  our own safety and the safety of our families. We can get training and practice and carry.  And unfortunately, it looks like we will need to.

 

Jason Falconer, be like him. POGO. Now, more than ever.  


Charlie – part time police & retired police vs armed citizen

Rob-  Charlie, the media thinks all solutions come from government.  We are the solution.  IDPA Paul.  Told you IDPA was good training.

Paul – the bad guy was wearing a security guard’s uniform- that could have been a bit difficult to react to

 

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Hello–
Writing to both Tom@GunTalk and the PS folks

I live in WA state, and it’s doubtful anyone but Hillary will win here (see my reference below). A listener on Gun Talk suggested that — since he also lived in an overwhelmingly Democratic state— in order offset or potentially divide the Democrat vote in the future, he was going to vote for Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

Everyone— would you be willing to discuss this tactic on air? The goal is to make the best use of my vote to support the 2nd amendment.

Brian

 

John – I’m not sure if it makes a difference. However, it is the down ticket candidates that will matter.
Gary –

Rob-  I understand a protest vote since so many Republicans have betrayed the right of self-defense.  Where is the CCW reciprocity bill?  Where are the local republicans who use local pre-emption to promote firearms ownership?

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Hey all,

Been meaning to email about the DGU where some criminals decided to have a shootout in a Walmart parking lot. You were discussing the concept of not knowing who the good and bad guys are and Paul said something that really unnerved me. He said he’d know which ones are bad because they would be the ones running away. I couldn’t disagree more! If I find myself in the middle of a critical incident and I have a clear escape route I am immediately running away! Don’t shoot me Paul!
Especially since I live in a Duty to Retreat state. It’s required, and also a good idea.

Thanks for the show, appreciate the hard work. Stay safe, and more importantly stay dangerous.
Can I get a shout out to my friend Jeff who keeps forgetting to POGO? We ended up in downtown St. Cloud at night (the night before the terrorist attack) and he was not wearing any of his guns.

-Clayton from Minnesota

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Hey guys,
I was just wondering if you guys have ever heard about the convention of states. I think it’s Article 5 of the Constitution and what you think about it as a means to get our country back.
I’m not a new listener but this is the first time I have sent in feedback.
love the show keep up the good work.

 

Yours truly Chris

 

Rob-

John – The thing to remember it could be opening a can of worms. Anything could be proposed.

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote that “Distractions are Cheap and Elections Have Consequences.”  I took exception to the phrase freedom will prevail.  No, it hasn’t.  Freedom is fragile.  You can’t flush it away and claim you’ll recover it in 40 years.  I looked around the world where millions of people voted themselves into grinding oppression.  We’ve done that in states and cities here in the US.  Does anyone expect Detroit to recover?  How about Chicago or California?  If you aren’t sure whether to vote and be politically active, these examples of failed democracies should motivate you.  They certainly scared me.

 

I also reposted an article my wife had on “The Blaze”.  She noticed the similarities between the billionaires we have attacking the human right of self-defense and the billionaires promoting state propaganda about who we should have sex with, like sex with underage children.  That article is called Billionaires Buying the Laws They Want

 

Those articles are up at Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I did a post on Wednesday about Michael Bloomberg’s attempt to buy himself another attorney general for Pennsylvania. His previous effort turned out poorly as Kathleen Kane resigned in disgrace after being convicted of a felony. His new effort is to get anti-gun Josh Shapiro elected. Bloomberg has invested $250K in this election and that constitutes almost 10% of the monies raised by both Shapiro and his opponent St. Senator John Rafferty combined. I hope the residents of the Keystone State reject Bloomberg and his puppet Josh Shapiro. If only every one of the million deer hunters voted for gun rights than other stuff it would be a foregone conclusion.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Charlie – when can we expect more “Riding Shotgun With Charlie”? …not soon enough 😉

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Charlie for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Festus, Craig, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Charlie: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Erin Palette Part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Erin Palette Part 2

5- DGU Segment:

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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday September 12 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk with Erin Palette about gay gun owners coming out of the closet to other gays about owning guns.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Ruger’s matching program for NRA-ILA donations.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and Second News or DGU.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we talk about a good DGU where the victim was initially charged with murder … so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 389 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I ordered an ambidextrous handgun for my wife.  That means I have another gun to sell.  Sighted in my two new rifles at 50.  Now I have to move them out to 100.  Rachel and I made an advertisement for Buckeye Firearms.  Ben Branam and I put together another episode of Self-defense gun stories.  Ben is on the modern self-protection podcast that is part of this same network.

 

John – Had dinner with Prof. David Yamane of the Gun Culture 2.0 blog. We’ve had him as a guest here on the show before. I’m working on modifying the stock of a Ruger American Rifle. It’s plastic and I’m trying to stiffen it up a bit. Donald Trump was in Asheville this afternoon and early evening. Tickets were picked up very quickly. I watched part of his speech and he did mention gun rights.

 

Rachel

  • SREC meeting. Politics never takes a break. Sometimes we have to. During the times I have to take a break, I’m so thankful for those who keep working. Last weekend I was rejuvenated and ready to jump back in. While I was at the MAG-40, the Republican State Convention voted to again make Constitutional Carry the 1st legislative priority. It is the job of the SREC to make this happen, and it’s MY job (and other activists’ job) to make sure they do their job. I’m so happy to see Amy Clark, the Vice-Chair of the Republican Party of Texas, taking this job seriously. I love her plans for pushing legislative priorities. However, the plans could still get derailed. Texans, please plan to come to the December SREC meeting where plans will be settled – or, watch the livestream from home so you can stay updated.
  • Text from a friend who just got her first handgun. She’s a survivor, a victor, and I love seeing her journey of redemption.

 

Gary

Rob-

 

Paul – Susan can’t join us tonight. She is getting some rest. Been on a metric ton of radio shows and podcasts.

 

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2- News 1

Paul – Ruger made several announcements during its investor conference call and webcast In August.  Michael Fifer, the company’s CEO, announced Ruger’s Take Action campaign.  This refreshing program will provide a $5 million challenge grant benefitting the NRA-ILA.  He stated that this is being done to inspire “our customers and all freedom-loving Americans to take action in support of the Second Amendment, especially in the months leading up to the November election.”  They are matching contributions to the NRA-ILA, dollar for dollar up to $5 million.  Additionally, Ruger is donating $2 for every gun sold through the November election.  Is this in their best interest?  Of course it is.  They know the well-being of this historic American company is in serious jeopardy.

 

Only two analysts asked questions on the conference call.  It is not surprising that the CNNMoney analyst, Aaron Smith, felt it necessary to question the executives on the political topics first.  He asked, “how much of an impact … Hillary Clinton and the mass shootings [had] on gun sales…?”  He even seemed confused by the CEO’s statement that Mrs. Clinton is “actively campaigning against the lawful commerce in arms.”  He then tried asked the Ruger executives to quantify their sales performance as it relates to Clinton and the Orlando massacre.  Apparently, if you work at CNN, you must drink the Kool-Aid.

 

John – Ruger as well as Beretta, Smith & Wesson, and others are also donating significant sums to the NSSF’s GunVote campaign.

Rob-  Hillary is used to taking greenmail money.

John –  Financial industry donations – can donate to Hillary but not Trump due to Pence.

 

Rachel- Guns in Some Arizona Schools-  Defending those you love begins with the attitude that your loved ones are worth protecting. Now the remaining question is how to how to defend them.  Administrators and staff of private schools in Arizona asked the state attorney general if they could go armed at school.  The Arizona attorney general issued a ruling that any recognized member of a school safety team would be exempt from state and federal gun free school zones. The original exemption might have been put in place to allow precision rifle teams or military drill teams on campus.  It might have been written so a reenactor could bring old artifacts on campus for history class.  In any case, the law says that arms are allowed on campus with permission, and that exemption includes arms which are stored on campus.

 

Paul- There is an analogy we often talk about, between having fire extinguishers on campus and having guns on campus.  In both cases, we do what we can until the second responders arrive to help us.  That makes sense wherever we are, and is not confined to our homes.

 

Rob- That brings up a great question.  Fires take minutes to develop.  Mass murders can be lethal in seconds.  That says that time is more critical in an active shooting emergency than in a fire.  Most schools have a fire extinguisher in every school hallway and on every floor.  When seconds are precious, what does it say that we put two guns on campus and keep them locked unloaded in a safe behind another locked door in a principal’s office?

 

Gary- It says that private schools and daycare centers in Arizona have taken a first step.  We can guide them from there.

 

Rachel-I want to hear from listeners who work at schools. Does your state have a provision for you being able to carry a firearm if you obtain special permission? Have you gone to the school board (or whoever has authority to grant permission) and asked? If not, why not?

 

John – Chicago Man Pays Good Guys with Guns to Walk Streets, Preserve Safety

A Chicago citizen worried about crime is using his own money to pay for good guys with guns to walk the streets of neighborhoods and preserve safety.

 

The Chicago resident — De Mudd — says he spoke to Alderman Walter Burnett (27th Ward) before launching his plan and now pays a security company to put men with guns and handcuffs on the streets.

 

Mudd has spent $5,000 for the security “since mid-August and anticipates spending $50,000.” He says he does not mind spending the money to keep the neighborhood safe. He also stressed that he does not blame the police for the growing threat of crime in the area. Rather, he believes the police department is stretched so thin they cannot adequately patrol every part of the city.

 

Mudd also suggests that the solution he has undertaken for crime in his neighborhood is not a fix-all for every part of the city. He said, “I have solved the problem for my neighborhood, but what I’ve done is I’ve  just pushed the problem to another street corner in Chicago. That’s not the results that we, as citizens, should be looking for.”

Paul –

John – High end, wealthy,  neighborhoods in Seattle have done this while voting for gun control.

John – It would have been nice to see Mr. Mudd fund these security guards in the Southside.

 

Rob- Socialists politicians charge a fee to regulate your right to own a gun.  The state says it has the right to regulate your rights.  The state then says it can charge you a fee.  Now some politicians are saying they can charge you anything they want as the bill you for mandatory licensing, for mandatory registration or a required carry license.  The latest war on your rights is about the cost of concealed carry licenses in California.

 

The california legislature just sent a bill to Governor Brown’s desk that would let sheriffs and chiefs charge any fee they could justify.  Opponents say this legislation is an obvious attempt to limit a right by imposing undue costs.  This is particularly true in the failing state of california where most counties are struggling to pay their current expenses and their pension debts.

 

Professor John Lott pointed out that “background checks in D.C. cost $125.”  The state checks if you have outstanding traffic tickets when you get your driver’s license, and that costs pennies. This places an undue tax on the poor who live in our failing inner cities.

 

Other states have required smart guns.. Even though the so called biometric gun might cost tens of thousands of dollars.. And both law enforcement and politicians are exempt from those laws.. Of course.

 

John- This is similar to the Obama administration requiring gunsmiths to pay a 2500 dollar annual registration fee or New York City charging 4 times as much for a permit as in the rest of the state.

 

Gary- The government says it needs to regulate me, then it charges me so it can make larger political kickbacks with our tax money.

 

Rachel-So is California doing some kind of fundraiser and planning to start issuing more carry permits? Unfortunately, I think that’s too optimistic.

 

Rob-

 

Gary-Gun Quotes Liberty cannot be preserved without general knowledge among the people. John Adams

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Erin Palette.

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John – Amityville Horror: Young Man Cleared of 2nd Degree Murder In Defending His Mother

A young New York man experienced his own version of an Amityville Horror when he was charged with 2nd degree murder after defending his mother from a violent attacker.  Tephonte Smith, 18, shot Rashad Woolridge, 28, in the neck with a 12 gauge.  Minutes before, he had stopped a fight between his mother, Stephanie Sims, 33, and Woolridge, her ex-boyfriend. A furious Woolridge returned 10 minutes later, yelling for Smith. He was heard to scream; “Where you at, Tephonte?” just before the fatal gunshot. Police found Woolridge dead outside Smith’s bedroom, with a handgun underneath his body. Despite every indication of a justifiable self-defense shooting, the Amityville DA charged Smith with second-degree murder. However. the charges were dismissed when the grand-jury returned a no true bill.  

 

Smith had known the deceased for the years during Woolridge’s cohabitation with his mother. The couple’s relationship degenerated into violence, and a restraining order was granted to Sims. Not unexpectedly, Woolridge ignored the paper and assaulted his ex. He then apparently brought a handgun to deal with the only thing that had effectively resisted his anger: Tephonte Smith. Fortunately, Smith had the means to counter the armed madman.   

Rob-


Paul – New Boyfriend Defends Lover From Old

In the City of Brotherly Love, the new lover killed the old in a tale more ancient than civilization itself. In this particular version of the all too common scenario, an old boyfriend was desperate to see his girlfriend, so desperate in fact that he climbed through her kitchen window at 1 in the morning. He was met by his ex — and her new boyfriend — and then pushed back out the window. LIke an eons old bad habit, the ex returned, this time using a second story window to get inside the house. There, he brutally attacked the mother of his two children. The new boyfriend came to the damsel’s rescue and shot the attacker in the chest with his gun.  

The old boyfriend died shortly afterward in the hospital. The new boyfriend left the scene before the police arrived. The police are looking for the new, saying they would like to get his statement – and maybe just a little more. As of this writing, no charges have been brought.

 

It’s a fact of the human condition that this tragedy of three parts has been around before fire. Those that think eliminating guns will somehow eliminate these crimes are sadly mistaken…. likely as deluded as the old boyfriend.

 

John – Not smart to leave the scene.

Win the race to the phone.

 

Gary – Woman Shoots Home Invader Attacking Husband

Things were looking very bleak indeed for a Port Richey, Florida homeowner when three armed men broke into his house, pointed a gun at him and demanded he drop to the floor. However, he had a couple of aces up his sleeve — his wife and a gun. As the early evening break in unfolded, the woman ran to her room for a gun. She returned to the living room and found the three standing over her husband going through his pockets. “Freeze!” she shouted, but the trio spooked and ran toward the door. At another “Freeze!” one of the intruders turned toward her with a gun. She fired, slamming a round into the intruder’s shoulder. To protect his wife, the husband jumped the wounded suspect and fought over his firearm, which discharged twice. A neighbor arrived to help, and between the two they subdued the criminal for the police.

 

Michael Jay Shackelford, 46, was arrested at the hospital and charged with home invasion robbery with a deadly weapon. That weapon was reported as stolen. Unsurprisingly, Shackelford was similarly sketchy; he was a paroled criminal with a warrant out for his arrest — for violating that parole. Police are still searching for his two accomplices, but they probably will need more than the assistance of the brave woman, her husband, and the neighbor.

 

John – Politicians ask why anyone needs a 30 round magazine and/or an AR or AK.

Rob- Teamwork can conquer all, or at least most.

Paul – POGO

Rachel- women are often expected not to have a gun or shoot. I’ve encountered that and found it frustrating. Maybe this worked in her favor.

 

Gary – Two Men Came To The Aid of a Mother: One is Hospitalized, the Other Had a Gun

Early in the afternoon, the mother of a small infant was attacked by two men in a Shawnee, Kansas Wal-Mart parking lot. While placing her young child in the car, she was stuck on the back of the head and knocked to the ground. Her screams brought a Good Samaritan to her aid. However brave, the unarmed man was no match for the two armed thugs and he suffered several gunshots wounds to the face and chest. A second citizen ran to the scene, but there was a critical difference, that man had a CCW license, training — and his gun.

 

In the ensuing gun battle, the second Samaritan hit and killed one attacker, and received a minor wound in return. The other thug ran off, and was still being sought. Photos show the dead man lying on his side, left arm over his forehead, while paramedics work on the mother and police secure the area. The woman and the wounded Samaritan were taken to the hospital in critical condition. Both victims were later upgraded; the woman is expected to be released soon, and the man was awake and alert and slated for surgery. The infant was fortunately not harmed. As of yet, police do not have a motive for the attack.

 

We can only commend the tremendous bravery of the two men that came to the mother’s aid.  However, this DGU perfectly illustrates that all the bravery and best intentions in the world are of little use unless they can be backed up by force. The second Good Samaritan, through the use of deadly force, almost certainly kept this bad situation from getting much, much worse. As a true first responder, this armed citizen and his chivalry, bravery, and foresight, as well as his firearm, is a tremendous example of our guiding philosophy of a good guy with a gun, doing good things.    

Well done sir, well done, indeed.  

Paul-

Rob- I’m glad there was video.

 

Rob- Are you armed in your car?

A concealed carry holder in Granite City, Illinois dropped off a friend late at night after work.  One report says the driver was in the car.  A second report says the two men were standing next to the car when a stranger walked up to them.  The stranger presented a gun and announced a robbery.  The concealed carry holder drew his firearm and shot the robber.  This is where the news reports start dropping details.  We do know that the local prosecuting attorney praised the victims for defending themselves.

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John – Another story says that Granite City ranks high in the number of carry permits. Given it is just north of East St. Louis.

 

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Ty writes in

 

I listened to the discussion on competition shooting with interest.  Paul made a comment that points out exactly why he should be shooting competition, he said he was “comfortable” doing what he was doing.  A good stage designer will put you in uncomfortable positions and force you to do things that aren’t easy.  It’s much different solving someone else’s problem they have presented to you.  I know many people who are excellent shots but when put under the pressure of the competition have a hard time getting shots on paper.  You are doing yourself a disservice if you don’t give it a try.

 

Ty

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I STRONGLY disagree. A Small amount of discomfort is a good thing, it makes you sharp. A large amount of discomfort (what I honestly believe that I would feel) would not at all be beneficial.

 

The last thing I need are people who have no clue about me or why I carry telling me that they know so much better than I do what I should be doing. Or strutting around with a race gun and tons of extra equipment thinking that they are better than I am.

 

I train A LOT. I practice A LOT. I have done both under pressure. I don’t need someone that is clueless except that they can score more points than I am at some game telling me that I need to do this or that.

 

I am sorry if I seem overbearing, but as you can see I am rather passionate about this. Is competition bad? Not for everyone. Am I going to go to one? Not in the near future, and if I do I will leave my gun in the holster.

 

Rachel-My lifestyle is to run toward the things that scare me and do them until I am no longer uncomfortable. I know that that is my best path to self-improvement and getting rid of fear empowers me. That’s why I started doing competition a little this year. On the other hand, I’ve seen competition shooters get very comfortable with their niche, and perhaps they need to move out of their comfort zone and make themselves uncomfortable again.

Rob- Take what you want and leave the rest.

Gary – That is not how we grow the culture Yes

Rachel-

Rob-  I found the competitors to be very welcoming.  You don’t have the right equipment, so use what you have.  You need a mag, here, use mine.

 

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Rachel- The following email has been shortened due to time constraints. Please see the website for the full email.

Dear Polite Society,

I have been listening to the podcasts for the past few months and was especially interested in your interview with Joseph LaJoy in episode 385.

Eye issues seem to be a theme among listeners, and especially for us whose eyes are not getting any younger. . . . Interestingly, Mr. LaJoy describes a big problem with notch and post sights in that the eye/brain is not readily able to effectively utilize the five different lines of the typical notch and post sight which leads to all kinds of home-made modifications. . . . What is not being addressed in a sudden, chaotic, and violent encounter is the sympathetic nervous system (SNS) response with the immediate effects of adrenalin and cortisol on vision. . . .

The Hex-Site Sighting System was designed around the science of how the visual system (the eye and the brain’s interpretation) responds under stress. The website contains a wealth of information on the science behind this sighting system and the experience of actual users. (www.goshen-hexsite.com)

I have no financial interest in Tim’s company, but I am a personal friend and a satisfied user. . . . I enjoy the podcasts and look forward to hearing more from instructors who use more “science based” principles and training methods.

Respectfully,

Alan
Henryetta, OK

 

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I helped a doctor in California write a rebuttal to a gun control article that was published in his state anesthesiologist journal.  That article is called  “Taking the cure to stop violence”  It is on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

I did a quick post this evening before the podcast. It featured pictures of people waiting to see Donald Trump’s campaign plane arrive at the Asheville Regional Airport. Unfortunately, we missed it as he arrived sooner than expected. Given Hillary Clinton’s recent comments saying that half of Trump’s supporters were “a basket of deplorables” and that they were “irredeemable”, I thought it interesting how ordinary my fellow deplorables looked. I really do think that Hillary thinks in her heart of hearts that those who don’t support her – especially those of us who believe in gun rights – are irredeemable and deplorable.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Paul – We are all flyover country people to her

Gary – We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Erin Palette for joining us today. We would like to ask you to listen to the other shows on the Self Defense Radio Network like The Gun Blog Variety Cast and Geeks Gadgets and Guns So for Charlie Foxtrot, Festus, Craig, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Paul,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Thanks everyone

 

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