Episode 293 – Opinions Changing on Gun Ownership

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, December 14th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a change in attitudes towards gun control.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and gun owners are finally getting some love in the polls.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and in DGUs we also cover a 74 year old that fought back, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 293 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- IDPA cancelled due to mud.  Dry practiced with a friend.  That included slow and perfect presentations, perfect trigger presses, and then presentations with a timer.  I continued the “isometric” exercises by holding a gun in the perfect shooting posture and grip.  I did that with the pistol and rifle.  Ouch.
John – I put on my new Magpul handguards on my lightweight AR that I’m working on. I have a Minimalist stock for it – I just need to find where I put it! Other than that, it was the end of the semester and I was grading exams, posting grades, etc.
Gary- New PD ammo finally showed up
Rob- We get to brag on Rachel, even though she isn’t here.  She was in a video where she talked about meeting Texas Governor elect Greg Abbott.
(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

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Seg 2- News
John 1-Your efforts are paying off.  We said that every gun owner is an ambassador for the right to keep and bear arms.  Gun ownership is up, and so is the opinion of our fellow americans about owning firearms.  Pew Research has polled public opinion about guns for at least twenty years.  For the first time there is more support for gun rights than for gun control.  Today, 52% say it is more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns, while 46% say it is more important to control gun ownership. Polling showed a significant dip in support for gun ownership immediately after the Newtown school murders.  Those murders occurred two years ago today.

The latest national survey asked whether gun ownership in this country does more to protect people or put people’s safety at risk. 57 percent, nearly six-in-ten of us, say gun ownership does more to protect people from becoming victims of crime, while 38% say it does more to endanger personal safety.

That is true for blacks as well as whites.  Currently, 54% of blacks say gun ownership does more to protect people than endanger personal safety.  That percentage has doubled since the Newtown murders.  By contrast, there was only a 10 percent dip in support for firearms ownership after newtown.  The difference in opinion based on political affiliation has grown over the last two years.

2-A Firearms Instructor in Georgia was told to remove his NRA Instructor hat when he went to vote.  Now he is suing the state of Georgia as well as election officials in Douglas County for violating his civil rights. Southeastern Legal Foundation filed the lawsuit on behalf of Bundy Cobb.  Mr. Cobb is an Army veteran who owns and runs a self-defense firearms school called True Aim Defense.

After producing his ID, as required at the polling place, a poll monitor told Cobb he had to take off the NRA hat in order to vote. When Cobb questioned the poll worker, he was told that wearing the hat constituted electioneering because “the NRA is perceived to be associated with Republicans.” But Cobb says his hat has nothing to do with political affiliation. He wears the hat because it promotes his gun safety instruction business.

Quote “the lawsuit seeks declaratory and injunctive relief to redress and prevent unconstitutional restrictions on free speech and free association.  If Cobb had refused to remove his hat while voting he could have been subject to a fine, arrest, and imprisonment.  Bundy Cobb represents thousands of Georgians and millions of Americans who meet their civic obligations and exercise their rights with the firm conviction that the government should not infringe on the constitutional rights of citizens, period, full stop.  This case is not about the NRA, nor is it about whether people like the NRA.  Imagine if the same election officials had forbidden a t-shirt with a labor union logo — a union that had endorsed a Democratic candidate.” close quote.

3-New York Police are mostly honest and hard working.  Some are corrupt.  Two cases have come up where it looks like police planted evidence.  The police receive a tip from a anonymous source saying someone has a gun.  A few minutes later, these police officers find a man matching the informer’s detailed description at the reported location.  A gun is discovered; an arrest is made.  In several cases involving the same officers, the gun was found in a plastic bag or a handkerchief, with no traces of the suspect’s fingerprints on the bag or the gun.

The police did not mention a confidential informer until months after the arrests and none of the informers have come forward, even when defense lawyers and judges have requested they appear in court.  The suspects said the guns were planted by the police.

Comment- From what I’ve now learned, I’m skeptical to believe a police officer if I were on a jury.

Gary- 4- A Houston police officer has been caught on video illegally harassing a Second Amendment demonstrator.  Then the officer attempted to destroy the video evidence. A Texas man was openly carrying a gun-rights poster and an AR-15 in public.  That is legal Texas.  The officer came up and questioned him. The officer asked the man for ID and the demonstrator told the officer that he did not have his identification on him.  The cop then threatened the demonstrator with arrest. The officer demanded the man take his gun off and threw his poster to the ground.

“You are going to jail for failure to ID because you can’t tell me who you are, you can’t prove who you are. I’m tired of you idiots coming out here,” the officer said. That’s when the officer realized he was being recorded.  The officer said, “Take the phone off now because we are going to erase it because you’re recording everything.”

The officer tried, but failed to delete the recording.  What the officer did was unlawful and a violation of Houston Police Department policy.  The Houston Police Department declined to comment on the incident because it is under investigation.

John Comment- Under investigation?  Sure it is.
Rob Comment- There will be no charges against the officer.

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5-If you need a victim and don’t have one, then you invent one.  That is what you do if you are the Cable News Network.  CNN reported a shooting at a Oregon Highschool.  What really happened was this.  Several students were off campus.  They attend the Rosemary Anderson alternative High School.  It is a storefront school for students who have been expelled from regular school.  About 150 students go to that alternative school.  They are students who were previously expelled, dropped out, ran away from home, or are single parents.  In what looks to be a gang shooting, five shots were fired at a group of students who were standing on the street and sidewalk next to the school building.  Four students were injured.  We don’t know if the students were part of a gang or not.  Police arrested a 22 year old suspect who is a gang member.

6- Human rights advocate Kenn Blanchard has been on our podcast several times.  Kenn produces the “Black Man with a Gun podcast”.  He was used for several quotes in a Christian Science Monitor article about open carry while black.  Kenn said he doesn’t like open carry.  It does make a political statement about the right of self-defense, but as a black man, Kenn thought it put him at risk.  Quote- “I don’t want to give a police officer that second of time to say, ‘Is he a bad guy?’ I don’t want that to be on me.. It’s the same thing since the Civil War, it hasn’t changed – we have a holdover from the sins of our fathers.”

Rob 7-Painted guns work both ways.  In theory, police know that a child carrying a painted gun is not a threat.  In practice, criminals know that too.  Police in southwest Ohio arrested a man with a loaded handgun painted bright red to resemble a toy. 23-year-old Orlando Lowery had a bright red .380-caliber semiautomatic pistol.. and 9 grams of crack cocaine. Lowery was charged with third-degree carrying concealed weapons and fourth-degree possession of drugs, both felonies. The arrest Friday came just four days after legislation was introduced in Ohio to require that lookalike guns be brightly colored or otherwise marked.

red gun
Comment- Now that is another meaning of a “Red Gun”.
Rob- California passed a colored gun law.  Same results.

Rob 8-Founded by London artist McCrow, One Less Gun is a British gun control group asking people to donate a firearm and 5 pounds to cover the destruction of the firearm. The donor will receive a thank you note in the form of a bullet casing with the serial number of the weapon destroyed etched upon it. One Less Gun says its because “1,000 people a day are dying as a result of [guns],” thus it follows in their minds that lessening the number of guns will equal a lessening the number of deaths.
Comment – Wow, I didn’t realize that they had 365,000 gun deaths annually in Great Britain!
Comment – It also leaves people defenseless against the criminal element. A cricket bat versus a thug with a firearm is not a fair match.
John Comment- I knew the British were afraid of guns.  Now I find out they are afraid of numbers too and can’t add.

Rob 9- Anti gun Governor Terry McAuliffe will call for a package of gun restrictions in Virginia.  They include renewing the state’s one-a-month limit on handgun purchases and revoking concealed-handgun permits for parents who are behind on child-support payments.  The proposals are unlikely to pass the legislature.

Gun Quotes
“I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” -Thomas Jefferson (and Gary Daugherty)
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Gary -A man was working in his upstairs home office in Antioch, California about mid day.  His wife called to tell him their home alarm system had gone off.  The man armed himself and went to check the rest of the house and the alarm system.  The homeowner came downstairs and found a man and woman going through his belongings.  He told them to leave.  They argued and he fired several shots.  The suspects fled and took some of the man’s property with them.  The wounded man was picked up at a local hospital. Both the man and woman were arrested for burglary.  The homeowner was not charged.

Gary- If you’re going to use a gun, it is best to bring your own.. except in Washington DC.  A man was being robbed in Southeast Washington late at night.  The criminal pointed a sawed off double barrel shotgun at the man.  The man took the shotgun away from the criminal and shot him. 18 year old Channel Johnson died at the scene.  The 20 year old victim remained at the scene and called police.  Johnson had a criminal record as a juvenile.

Johnson’s mother said she does not think her son tried to rob the man or that he had a gun.  She also said, Quote  “If he had the gun, like the police say, then why did he have to shoot?”

That was the first of four shootings in DC that night.

John- We’ve reported on stories similar to this one.  It ends with two criminals going to the hospital with gun shot wounds.  They were shot by an elderly home owner.  The homeowner had been burglarized before.  The homeowner shoots the intruders in his home.  The two criminals climb in through a ground floor window.  The homeowner gets his handgun and goes to investigate.  The event starts when the homeowner hears the sound of breaking glass and forced entry.  The latest example was in Birmingham Alabama.  The 68 year old homeowner did not know he’d shot the burglars and said, “I hope they are OK.”

John- An apartment resident was armed, but Brandon Bolin probably didn’t know that.  Bolin knew that he was armed before the broke into an apartment in Columbus, Ohio.  Bolin forced his way into the apartment and was confronted by the resident late at night.  The resident shot Bolin, who died inside the apartment.  Nineteen year old Bolin was also involved in a fatal street brawl last year.  No charges have been filed against the resident.

Rob-Two young men, Marcus Gould and Leon Roberson, thought the C&S Gun and Pawn Shop would be an easy target when they went to rob it on a Saturday morning. Entering the Springdale, Arkansas store two Saturdays ago, they pulled handguns from under their sweatshirts and started to rob the store. They forced Clint Cornett to the ground. That’s when Shirley Cornett, age 74, pulled her .38 revolver and shot Gould in the arm. The robbers then fled. They brought Gould to a Ft. Smith hospital and concocted a story about him being shot in Little Rock. Police thought it was fishy and discovered the two were part of the gun shop robbery. The sweatshirts and guns were found in their car. Both are in jail charged with Attempted Capital Murder and Aggravated Robbery.

John – Unbelievably, a local business owner was upset that Mrs. Cornett defended herself! He said it wasn’t right.

Rob- We read a lot of firearms news.  This is the season when we see hunting accidents with negligent discharges.  We’ve also noticed accidents with un-holstered handguns.  Our listeners know better.  Four safety rules.  All the time.  Safety is part of being a good ambassador. Thank  you for your diligence.

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

  • E-mail from Bill

In a recent show you talked about a robber pointing his gun at the head of a kneeling employee. You asked if you would shout telling him to stop or just start shooting. I think I’d probably shout first. If I do so the bad guy would hopefully look at me and start to point his gun in my direction. When he started the gun moving he would no longer be pointing it at the head of the other person and I hope I could put some rounds in him before he got it pointing at me.

The idea, and I could easily be wrong; if I just start shooting he might react by jerking his trigger and at that range he’d likely shoot the employee in the head. I’ve always wondered if being shot, even in the head, would induce an involuntary shot. I just don’t know.

On a different topic, I want to thank you for pointing out that Texas is not a gun owners paradise. While it is better than many states it isn’t the best but has improved greatly. I remember when you couldn’t even have a handgun in your car. Many of the carry restrictions that were first written into our carry laws have been removed.

The recent issue with the Austin police chief is nothing new. When concealed carry first passed, the Austin chief at the time ordered her officers to arrest anyone carrying a gun whether they had a license or not. (Texas is one of the few must inform states.) He said the judge could let them out but she wouldn’t have people carrying a gun in her city.

What really needs to change is that bureaucrats need to be held personally responsible for their BS. Think that San Diego sheriff would be as stubborn as he is if he had to personally finance his fight instead the taxpayers having to foot the bill? Perhaps a couple of nights in his own jail for contempt of court charges would be appropriate and I bet would work wonders in getting carry licenses issued.

Bill

-Conspiracy theory report.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I wrote about Sandy Hook in an article called “Looking dead children in the eye”.  I also noticed how much best practice has changed over time.  I wrote about that in “A brief history of violence”.  They are up at my blog, at Clash Daily and at Ammoland.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Rob, John for Gary for joining us today.  John and Rob, will you be on the midweek show?
Rob- I’ll be there.  Regis Giles will join us to talk about her new movie.
John- I’ll be there too, and Stephen Halbrook will join us.
Paul- I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 292 – DGU’s Galore

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, December 10th, 2014.  I’m Rachel Malone.
Rob- I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we’ll talk about our own Rachel Malone meeting the governor elect of Texas.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a disabled Marine who is happy he has a holster in his walker. , so climb aboard.
Rob: strap in
Rachel- and hang on!  Episode 292 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rachel meets the governor elect of Texas.Rachel Abbott

Rachel supports Austrian manufacturers. Glock 22

Rob has no life since the weekend.  Any book recommendations for a gunnie to add to his christmas list?

  • The Grey Man: Vignettes and The Grey Man – Payback – Jim Curtis
  • The law of self-defense – Andrew Branca
  • Deady Force- understanding your right of self-defense. – Massad Ayoob
  • Hands off my gun- Dana Loesch

John- We were banished from the baby shower, so this weekend my son-in-law’s dad and I put together my carbon fiber lower from Tegra Arms. I still have to replace the handguards and stock but right now it is coming in at 6 lb 4 oz. The upper is a Bushmaster lightweight. I changed out the A2 flash-hider with a PWS Triad flash-hider/compensator.

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Rachel- In the last podcast you had FOUR news segments.  Different weeks are different.  This time we might need that many segments to cover the defensive gun uses.  Since I’m reading the news this week, we’ll start and end with news from Texas.

1- The Texas legislature has finally accepted the idea of Texans carrying handguns openly.  Now they have to decide between competing bills, and a conflict is emerging over how far changes to the current state law should go. Alice Tripp, lobbyist for the Texas State Rifle Association, says, “We are supporting what will pass.” The TSRA is known for opposing open carry in the past, and is this year supporting some of the more restrictive and problematic open carry legislation. By contrast, newer gun groups comprised of gun owners are gaining the attention of legislators as they push for greater reform, such as  Constitutional Carry. In the last two legislative sessions, Texas lawmakers have unsuccessfully pushed to allow handgun license holders to openly carry their firearms. Five nearly identical bills that would do that have already been filed.  A sixth, from state Rep. Jonathan Stickland, a Republican, would allow Texans to carry a handgun openly without a license. 17560/u30ZArIzsUmsyFm8gCVimQ Another bill, filed today, proposes an amendment to the Texas Constitution that would remove the authority of the legislature to regulate the wearing of handguns. This paves the way for Constitutional Carry in Texas.

2- Some so called environmentalists want to stop hunting.  How else do you explain them hiding research studies.  Studies demonstrated that the lead ammunition ban in California did nothing to lower lead blood levels in the California Condor?  No one knows how the Condors are finding lead in their diet, the lead is still there years after lead ammunition was banned in the Condor habitat.  The California legislature outlawed lead ammunition anyway across the state.  The reports came out AFTER the vote, and the head of the California state Condor recovery project hid the data showing the lead ban was useless.

John- I would not look for justice from a California judge.

3- We told you that firearms owners in Washington state were not going to take the intrusive initiative 594 without protest. The bill criminalizes  common non-violent actions, like renting a nail gun at a hardware store.  It also outlaws firearms training unless the training is conducted at a licensed gun range.  Your neighbor can’t come over to your house and learn about her new handgun.  You’re forbidden to touch her gun and she is forbidden to touch yours.  A few thousand gun owners are going to break the law this Saturday at an “I will not comply” rally in Olympia.  Since you have gun owners together, we might as well bring in some speakers to rally them.  Speakers include Ammon Bundy, son of the Nevada rancher who fought federal officials earlier this year over use of public land.  Mike Vanderboegh, the citizen journalist who helped uncover the Fast and Furious scandal. Sheriff Richard Mack, the former Arizona lawman who started the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. And Washington State Representative Elizabeth Scott.  There is another protest scheduled for january 15th when the legislature is in session.

John- We used to have a country where anything that wasn’t forbidden was permitted.  Now, everything that is not permitted is forbidden.

Rob- I get it.  May I see your license for that nail gun.

4- As we reported earlier, Nevadans for State Gun Rights had challenged the universal background check initiative efforts of the Bloomberg-supported Nevadans for Background Checks over a number of irregularities including missing deadlines, lack of required affidavits, and pre-dated affidavits. Despite these irregularities, Nevada Secretary of State Ross Miller, a Democrat, certified the submission as “sufficient” and the initiative will go forward.

(Run on sentence.  Write shorter next time.)

Nevadans for State Gun Rights is not stopping their challenges. As they say in their statement, “If the Secretary of State cannot comply with his own laws and rules, the petition validation process is seriously flawed and the results and certification are invalid. The Nevadans for State Gun Rights PAC will continue to file these complaints with public officials until the law is followed.” They expect this to end up in court.

John – Going to court is expensive. We have a link to their fundraising plea in our show notes. Please contribute as we need to stop this in its tracks.

5-This week, hundreds of women in the Mexican town of Xaltianguis formed their own community defense organization .. an armed defense organization.  They want to protect their town from organized crime. They formed a group called the Union of Peoples and Organizations of Guerrero State.  The women form teams and patrol their neighborhoods of Xaltianguis.  The small town is next to Acapulco.  Unfortunately the group only has about 80 guns and the several hundred women rotate the weapons and share them between teams as they rotate on duty.  Guerrero is the Mexican state where a mayor ordered the police and drug gangs to kill 42 student teachers. No wonder the citizens want to be armed.

Rob- a living example of why citizens need to be armed.

6- Compare the brave women in Mexico with a bunch of Connecticut teachers.  Several female teachers and staff from Sandy Hook Connecticut said that armed school staff would not have stopped the murder who attacked their school.  The teachers claim that armed school staff with a handgun at short range could not have stopped an intruder with a rifle.  Really?  What about the Clackamas mall shooting where someone with a handgun stopped a madman with a rifle?  Maybe the teacher means that people couldn’t defend themselves at schools.  What about the several Oregon school shootings that were stopped by resource officers with a handgun, and the colorado school library shooting where two resource officers stopped a murder who carried a shotgun?  I guess the teachers are ignorant of the Mississippi school vice principal who stopped a rifle bearing murderer.  The Vice principal had to run to his truck because it was against school rules for him to take his pistol on school property.

Rob- Let’s accept the teachers at their word.  Handguns can’t stop a murderer with a rifle, and attacking an armed intruder is more dangerous than defense.  Then why did the school staff bother to call the police and put law enforcement at risk in a pointless exercise?

John- The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.3 The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.3.  Citizens are the real first responders.  Time is critical.  People die while we wait for the police.

Rachel- About another dozen die on average.

Rob-  These teachers are showing us a psychological reaction called learned helplessness.  Teachers and school administrators made themselves unable to protect the very children the law forced into their classrooms.  Rather than face the effects of their poor decisions, they invent a world where the horrible outcome was unavoidable.

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7-Another gun free zone was down for repairs in Chicago.  Unfortunately, the city forgot to take down the gun free zone signs and two people were shot by criminals who never read the gun-free zone signs.  Two teenagers are in stable condition after a shooting on a Chicago Transit Authority bus.  Chicago Public Transit is a gun free zone for licensed concealed carry holders, but not for criminals.  The criminal got on the bus and shot a 15 year old boy in the chest and a 15 year old girl in the leg.  Both of the victims were carrying book bags, but the shooting occurred at 10AM.

There are lots of broken gun-free zones in across Chicago this week.  38 people were shot in Chicago this week and an additional 6 were shot and killed.

John- Illinois.  Illinois.. That is the state that just made it illegal to take cell phone video of the police.

Rob- Wait a minute, John.  Didn’t President Obama, who is from Chicago, tell us that he wants ALL police to wear video monitors?  I guess video evidence is good if the police have it, but bad if we have it.  That is so.. so..

John- Political.  The word you’re looking for is political.

8-We have more news from the other city with failed gun control.  23 people were shot in New York City between early Saturday and the end of the day Sunday.  That happened in 13 separate shootings.

The Bronx leads the way with 242 people shot this year, up 26 percent from last year. In Queens, 116 people have been shot, up 5 percent, in Manhattan, 74 people have been shot, up 7 percent, and in Brooklyn, 368 people have been shot, up 14 percent.  Mayor De Blasio says crime rates are going down.

John- The mayor is right.  Crime rates ARE going down, but not for murder in gun-free new york city.

Rachel- To begin the weekend, three people were shot in East Harlem.

A few hours later, a man was shot in upper Manhattan.

Two men were fatally shot a few hours later.  They died when a motorist got out of his car and shot them both.  They were shot in the neck and the back.

A two more men were shot in Brooklyn.

Three people were shot in the Mott Haven section of the Bronx.  They include a 19-year-old shot in the arm, a 24-year-old also shot in the arm and a 29-year-old was shot in the thigh.

Later, two men got out of a car, fired more than 20 rounds and hit four people in the South Jamaica neighborhood of Queens.  Two of the victims were in critical condition.

Those are just the shootings.  That doesn’t count knife attacks in the city that also outlaws pocket knives.  Police shot a man in the Bronx after he attacked a woman with a knife.  Four people were hurt in two separate slashings on subway trains in midtown.

Rob- Isn’t gun control wonderful?

John- and knife control.

Rob- Mayor De Blasio says it works, so it must be wonderful.

Laughter

Rachel- I wish this were news, but we have more e-mails coming out that show the Obama administration is lying.  Wake up, John.  This is news.

9-The Obama administration denied it targeted gun shops by applying political pressure on banks to deny them credit.  The program was called operation choke point.  A congressional report that shows Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation regulators deliberately targeted the firearms industry.  Banks were threatened with audits and lower risk ratings if they did business with businesses that are out of official favor.

The congressional oversight report offered three primary conclusions:

  1. Operation Choke Point is an abuse of the Department’s statutory authority.
  2. While broadly concerned with all industries deemed “high risk,” the initiative is particularly focused on legal businesses.
  3. As a consequence of Operation Choke Point, banks are indiscriminately terminating relationships with legal and legitimate merchants across a variety of business lines.

This final conclusion is incontrovertible: banks are “exiting ‘high-risk’ lines of business.”  The FDIC management was taught to mention the porn industry when they testified in front of congress, but they went after gun stores.

Rob- The bureaucrats say they promise to enforce public values, while in fact, they enforce our own.  How about you enforce the law and you leave your values at home with your personal life!

10- A Florida lawmaker has filed a bill that would allow people to carry concealed weapons on the campuses of state colleges and universities. Rep. Greg Steube, R-Sarasota, said he already planned to sponsor the measure (HB 4005) before a shooting incident last month at Florida State University — but that the attack, which left three people injured and the gunman dead, helps to make his point. The bill, filed Monday, would apply to people who are licensed to carry concealed weapons. “I think it (the attack) brings it closer to home for people who think these events don’t occur in Florida, or that law enforcement can prevent them from happening,” Steube told The News Service of Florida on Tuesday. He said that although Tallahassee and university police officers reached Florida State’s Strozier Library less than five minutes after the shooting, more people could have died in that time… National Rifle Association lobbyist Marion Hammer said Steube’s bill didn’t originate with the NRA, but she supports it on the grounds that law-abiding citizens who are licensed to carry concealed weapons shouldn’t be prevented from carrying firearms in places where they may be in danger…

http://www.wptv.com/news/state/florida-lawmaker-files-bill-to-allow-firearms-on-university-campuses

11- This is our final news from Texas.  Last episode we reported that the University of Wyoming Faculty Senate voted against guns on campus.  Compare that with Student Body President Kyle Kelly signing a Student Senate act that advocates for the concealed carry of handguns in campus buildings at Texas A&M.  The Personal Protection Act allows concealed carry licensees to be able to carry handguns in campus buildings.

Student governments can’t change University policy or state law, but they advocate to administrators and legislators on behalf of the students.  The student body president said, “I have gone from being against the issue .. to now .. being in favor of concealed carry on campus.  Part of that is because what I..learned.. it would be a great thing from a rights (standpoint).. but most importantly (from a) public safety standpoint.”

Cary Cheshire authored the proposal.  He called it an opportunity to increase campus safety.

“We look at institutions of higher education across the United States and violent crime is increasing.  Sexual assault, specifically here in Texas, is rapidly increasing.  I think instead of perpetuating the victim class by telling law-abiding citizens that they can’t protect themselves, we ought to empower individuals to feel safe and to feel secure.”

Gun Quotes

“Keeping and bearing arms is not only a fundamental right; it is a fundamental duty upon which all liberty and sovereignty is based.” -Donald L. Cline

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Segment 4 DGUs

We monitor cases of defensive gun use from across the county.  For a while it seemed like things were slowing down after Thanksgiving.  Now it seems criminals are getting the Christmas Crime done early.

1-32-year-old Eugene Fredrick Quinnett walked into a Meineke Car Care Center in Fargo, North Dakota.  By the time the store manager reached him, Quinnett was opening drawers behind the counter.  The store manager questioned him and Quinnett put his hand in his jacket and said he had a gun.  The news report doesn’t say if the thief was actually armed, but the store manager drew his real gun and Quinnett ran out of the store empty handed.

The store manager gave a good description of Quinnett.  Fargo police found him at a local motel.  The thief is now in the Cass County Jail facing felony robbery charges.  He was also arrested on an outstanding warrant.  The store manager and his employees were back at work a few hours later.

2- 25-year-old Christopher Wirshup, broke through the window of the main office at Columbia Gorge Airport early in the morning.  One employee called 911 after hearing the glass break, another person in the area went to investigate the noise.  The intruder was stuffing his pockets with candy.  The intruder was so startled by an armed employee that that he threw the peppermint patties up in the air and laid down on the floor.  That armed employee was Darren Lacock.  Lacock is the service technician at the airport.. as well as being a volunteer firefighter and concealed carry holder.

When law enforcement arrived, Lacock began to withdraw his firearm that was pointed at Wirshup. “No, no, no. Keep on pointing it”, the Deputy said as he began to search the suspect.

Lacock has his concealed carry permit in both Washington State and Oregon, and he says he regularly carries his firearm.  “I’m a personal believer in being prepared.”

3- Police say a 28-year-old man broke in his 35-tear-old girlfriend’s apartment and held her captive. She escaped and frantically beat on a neighbor’s door pleading for help.

A 40-year-old man let her in, but the ex-boyfriend charged inside and attacked the man, that man got a gun and opened fire on the ex-boyfriend.

“And then I heard the first one and thought it cannot be a gunshot, and then the second one and yeah, that was a gunshot,” said Jonathan Perez.

The ex-boyfriend staggered out and made it 150 yards before he collapsed just as Scottsdale Police arrived. Rescue crews took the ex-boyfriend to Scottsdale Healthcare Osborn where http://www.fox10phoenix.com/story/27581712/2014/12/09/pd-neighbor-shoots-man-chasing-ex-girlfriend

4- A sixty-eight-year-old disabled veteran needs a walker to get around.  He was disabled several years ago after he was hit by a truck while riding his bicycle.  That doesn’t mean he is defenseless.  It only means he can’t run.  Two men tried to break into his house in Gastonia, North Carolina.  The homeowner heard someone prying the lock off his front door.  He grabbed his .45-caliber pistol and put it in a holster on his walker.  So armed, he began shuffling toward the sound at the front of his house. He flipped a hallway light on.  Before he yanked open the door, he yelled out to announce he was armed.  He briefly saw two men standing there wearing ski masks.  The Marine Corps veteran said “It was like a keystone cops scene when the two thieves saw his .45.  One ran one way up the street, and the other went the other way.”  His daughter put up a hand written note the next day.  “Enter at your own risk.”

5-A man in Red Springs, North Carolina got a call at work from his wife.  She saw a strange car sitting in front of their house as she left.  The man returned home and found a stranger sleeping in a car in front of his house.  The stranger drove away when the homeowner tapped on the car window.  The homeowner then entered his home to find two masked burglars.  One of the burglars was armed and shot the homeowner in the shoulder.  He returned fire and killed 28 year old Randal Dwight Hardin Junior.  The other intruder fled.  The homeowner called 911 for help.  He is recovering from his wound, and the police are looking for the two other robbers.

Break Back with news from texas.

6-Tyler police responded to a shooting that happened early Tuesday during an attempted burglary in Tyler, Texas. One person is confirmed to be dead.

Police say 44-year-old Luke Garrison, a Brownsboro resident, was shot while breaking into a home

There were police reports of a suspicious person trying to break into a home in Tyler, Texas.  The first attempted break in was unsuccessful.  A few days later, the elderly homeowner heard glass breaking.  He retrieved his shotgun and walked down the hall.  That is when he saw an intruder carrying a large pry bar or screwdriver.  The intruder lunged at the old man.  The homeowner shot the intruder in the left side of the chest.  Police and medical personnel found the 44 year old intruder lying inside the front door of the home.  The intruder matched the suspect description in the suspicious person report.

7- A woman was walking her dog early in the morning.  She lives in Birmingham, Alabama.  When she and the dog returned to their apartment, a robber kept her from closing the door and forced her inside.  The robber pushed her to the floor and put his hand over her mouth to silence her screams.  The woman’s husband heard the commotion and fought the robber to get him off his wife.  The wife called 911.  The husband retreated to their bedroom and grabbed his shotgun.  That is when the fight ended.  The couple held the suspect until police arrived.

John- No shots fired.

8-  A hunter in Medina, Ohio shot himself while climbing up into his tree stand.  A nearby hunter heard him scream and dialed 911.  The hunter was taken to Southeastern Med where he was last listed in stable condition.   The correct procedure when hunting from a tree stand is to empty the chamber and then raise and lower the rifle to and from the tree stand on a line AFTER you’ve secured your harness to the stand.  Also, hoist the firearm with the barrel pointed DOWN, not up at you.

Follow the four safety rules, guys. http://www.daily-jeff.com/local%20news/2014/12/07/hunter-accidentally-wounds-himself-while-climbing-into-a-tree-stand-near-kimbolton

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rachel- John, tell us about your latest post from your “No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money” blog.

John- We have talked a lot about I-594 in Washington State. Two of the ritzier neighborhoods in Seattle – Laurelhurst and Windermere – hire off-duty cops and private security guards to patrol their neighborhood. It seems Seattle leads the nation in property crime and they want to be protected. Interestingly enough, these neighborhoods voted 9 to 1 in favor of I-594 and residents including Bill Gates Sr donated almost $200K to the campaign for it. Hmmm. In other words, we’re protected and we don’t want you riff-raff to have guns.

Rachel- That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank John and Rob for joining me today.  Will you be with us on the weekend?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…  stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 291- Lots and Lots of News

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, December 7th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, and we’ll talk about the SAF starting a media blitz to stop President Obama from implementing the UN arms trade treaty
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have several listener emails to talk about
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also cover Mary Landreau losing her senate seat , so climb aboard.
Sue: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 291 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I testified in front of the San Diego Board of Supervisors on Wednesday morning.  They have open comment periods.  I got to talk for two minutes.  I said our sheriff hurts people by disarming them.  Anyone can speak at these open microphone sessions.  Have you spoken to your local representatives?

The wooden grip panels split on my pistol a few weeks ago.  The new metal grips I ordered came in and I installed them.  Of course, they needed new screw bushings because these are thin grips.  Then I needed to narrow the magwell to fit the grips.  Since I was grinding away, I smoothed the backstrap and cold blued the places where I’d worn away the factory finish.  I like the way the pistol looks.  It looks lived in and comfortable.1911 w narrow al grips small

Paul- Rachel posted some news on her facebook page.  She was invited to a legislative event for Texas Republican Senators.  She brought along a copy of the constitutional carry bill that has been pre-filed before the Texas legislative session opens.  Rachel got Governor elect Greg Abbott to sign her copy of the bill. Congratulations, Rachel.Rachel Abbott

Paul – Pickup is in the shop getting fixed, horrible rental car.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

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1-The tyrant and mass murderer Joseph Stalin said “Those who cast the votes decide nothing.  Those who count the votes decide everything.”  Well the University of Wyoming faculty senate passed a resolution that had recently been voted down by its members.

The University of Wyoming Faculty Senate and Staff passed a resolution against concealed carry on campus. The faculty and staff were polled before the vote.  Only 36 percent were against concealed carry.  7 percent wanted unlimited concealed carry. 5 percent wanted concealed carry with background checks.  A solid majority of 52 percent of faculty and staff wanted concealed carry on campus with background checks and training.  The faculty senate voted against it anyway.  When asked, the president of the faculty senate said they seldom polled their membership before a vote.  Maybe they should, but maybe it doesn’t matter since they voted against the will of the majority anyway.

Rob-comment- I thought colleges were unsafe due to rape on college campuses.  Are these professors disarming female students and exposing them to possible sexual assault?

2- On December 7th, two Sandy Hook, Connecticut teachers will appear on the CBS News program Sunday Morning to push for expanded background checks and magazine capacity limits.  Both teachers are members of a gun control group called Sandy Hook Educators for Gun Sense.  Given that this is the CBS network, the teachers will never be asked if those measures would have stopped the Sandy Hook murderer, or if they would stop other mass murderers. The Sandy Hook murderer stole his guns, thereby bypassing any background check process.  The Santa Barbara murderer bought dozens of ten round magazines when he shot students.  While it may be a noble goal to make it easier for the mentally ill to receive treatment, a Mayo Clinic psychiatrist said most mass shooters “are not mentally ill” and the crazy ones are only “recognized after the fact.”

3- Moving west from Connecticut to Pennsylvania, the state Attorney General said she will not defend the recent firearms pre-emption law passed by the Pennsylvania legislature.  This leaves the defense of the law in the hands of Governor and the Legislature.  The law allows civil rights groups to sue cities and counties over local firearms regulations.  I’m sorry, but the Pennsylvania Attorney General is a Democrat and was probably elected by anti-gun voters in Pittsburg and Philadelphia.  Elections have consequences.

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4- In national news, the UN small arms treaty will have 50 participating countries later this month.  With 50 participants, the treaty becomes binding on the countries who signed it.  Secretary of State John Kerry signed the treaty, but the treaty was never ratified by the US Senate.  American gun owners fear that President Obama will impose another executive order outlawing small arms with his phone and his pen.. and without Senate approval.  Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb threatened legal action “if the president tries to circumvent the U.S. Senate and the will of the American people.”  Second Amendment advocates have long argued that any such treaty could constitute an infringement on the right to keep and bear arms, and lead to gun registration and even gun bans in order to comply with the international agreement.Gotlieb commercial

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Gottlieb promised to file a lawsuit against the president if he takes executive action, and pointed to recent events to justify his concerns.  “He has used a lawless executive order to grant amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants without Congressional authorization, and now many people are worried that he plans to bypass Congress again, before the end of this year, with the U.N. treaty..”  SAF started a petition.

5- Republican Bill Cassidy won the election to be the next Senator from Louisiana.  Cassidy’s 15 point victory is the ninth Senate seat picked up by the GOP in this year’s elections.  That is three more seats than the party needed to take control of the chamber and it gives them a four-seat cushion going into 2016.  The question remains, how many of the GOP politicians are conservative in name only.

6- This news story was sent in by listener Anthony.  A 44 year old man boarded an Amtrak train in Chicago.  He stabbed three men and one woman.  One of the male victims was the train’s conductor.  Amtrak trains are considered public transportation in Illinois.  Therefore, the trains are rolling gun-free zones.. at least for law abiding people.  That doesn’t stop the criminals, and we’ve reported before about gang members stabbing people on train platforms.

To offer a little more perspective on Chicago, 130 citizens died from gunshots in Chicago since the Mike Brown attacked Officer Wilson across the river in Ferguson, Missouri.  Most of the Chicago victims were black.  25 more were shot and an additional five more were shot and killed this last week.  Thank you, Anthony.  That is something you won’t see on CNN.

7- There is some common sense in Illinois, even if you can’t find it in Chicago.  In Bloomington, Illinois, McLean County State’s Attorney Jason Chambers said he will use his discretion in prosecuting firearms owners.  Residents with concealed-carry permits who bring their handguns into areas exempt from weapons may not automatically face criminal charges.  Quote “Every case is different. I’m not interested in arresting everyone who makes a mistake and forgets they are carrying.”  Close quote.  The first McLean County case against a gun owner was recently filed against a Middletown man.  65 year old Patrick Davis was charged with possession of a firearm in a prohibited area and possession of a firearm while intoxicated. The charges were filed after Davis fell down at a local bar and was taken to a hospital.  The State’s attorney said he will consider if the possession of the firearms was an oversight, as well as the gun owner’s reaction to a request from the business to take a weapon outside.

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8- Hunters in Ohio could use noise suppressors on guns under certain conditions.  Some requirements for a concealed carry permit could be relaxed.  Those are two of the bills being debated in the Ohio Senate this week.  Ohio would also automatically recognize concealed weapons permits issued in other states.  Ohio would exempt individuals who have already completed state police academy training from requiring a permit to carry.  The results depend on Ohio gun owners.  Ohio Senate Criminal Justice Chairman Bill Coley said that lawmakers are still working on the final version of the legislation. He expects a committee vote Tuesday.  Senate President Keith Faber says the Senate is unlikely to vote on a measure that includes a self-defense proposal.

A bill allowing hunting with suppressed firearms passed the House earlier this year.  Suppressors would help protect hunters’ hearing.  It would also increase safety since hunters could hear each other.

Another measure reduces from 12 hours to eight hours the amount of training time required to get a concealed weapons permit.  Another bill would exempt active military members over the age of 18 from having to obtain a concealed weapons permit.

So, Ohio gun owners.. what are you going to do?  We included a link to the Ohio Senate in our show notes.

8B- New California laws required toy guns to be brightly colored.  Back in Ohio, Ohio sheriffs put out a facebook post showing a kids toy gun.  A brightly colored kid’s toy gun. The colored plastic shell hid a functioning shotgun underneath, and the Ohio Sheriff’s wanted to warn their deputies.  The point is that criminals already make their guns look like toys, and that California legislators are not so bright.

The color of a firearm can not protect us from police.  What keep us safe is law enforcement stopping to determine ability, opportunity, and jeopardy.. the same way civilians do.10846430_373779286130078_452547952988500661_n

9- We have some good news in Nevada as well.  Last week we told you the bad news about the Bloomberg anti-gun amendment in Nevada.  This week we can talk about newly designated Assembly Majority Leader Michele Fiore.  She is from Las Vegas.  She said Republicans were elected to the majority to defeat liberalism and that includes doing what has to be done to recover gun rights in Nevada.  Quote “We’re getting our gun rights back this session, period.”   Nevada residents should expect to see bills allowing concealed carry permit holders to carry guns for self-defense on Nevada college campuses.  Majority Leader Fiore also wants to see high schools reintroduce “rifle clubs” so teenagers can learn firearm safety and responsibility.  Fiore will push to repeal the blue card registration in Clark County.  The “blue card” program requires individuals who buy a handgun in Clark County to register the weapon with the police.  In addition to recovering gun rights, Fiore also plans to push a Voter ID law for Nevada.

10- The Bloomberg’s anti-gun group wanted Kroger supermarkets to ban firearms.  The Bloomberg front group said they didn’t feel safe if other shoppers were carrying.  That makes the Bloomberg group a small minority.  Kroger ignored the pressure for a gun ban, and more people shopped at Krogers.  Total sales rose 11 percent to $24.99 billion.  The company reported a 21 percent jump in quarterly profit.  That sent its stock price up 5 percent. Net income attributable to Kroger rose to $362 million, or 73 cents per share, in the third quarter which ended Nov. 8.  That is up from 57 cents per share, a year earlier.

11- Bloomberg isn’t done yet.  His astroturf group asked Oregon superstore chain Fred Meyer to ban guns.  Quote “If I owned a business, I would want to protect my employees by making it clear that you can’t openly carry” guns in the store.  The Bloomberg group will also tell you they support the second amendment.  They simply haven’t seen a gun control law they didn’t like, and think we need more restrictions on our right of self-defense.

Melinda Merrill, a spokeswoman for Fred Meyer said, “Our policy is that we follow local laws. So if it’s allowed in the municipality where our store is, then we follow the local law.”  With a good photographer, the astroturf group can turn its four members into a crowd, so look carefully at the news reports.

12- You might have missed this news about the riots in Ferguson, Missouri.  Members of Oath Keepers were guarding the crowd and stores from many of the rooftops.  The Saint Louis County Police ordered the Oath Keepers away.  Police claimed the private citizens needed a county license to act as security guards.  Once they read the county statute, the Oath Keepers laughed at it and took up their posts again.  They have been there for several nights.

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13- This next news story is to remind listeners that some of the news media are crazy.  Matthew Yglesias writes on the website Vox.  He said the reason that Michael Brown was shot was because you and I have guns.  If we were disarmed, then the police wouldn’t have to worry about criminals having guns.  If the criminal didn’t have guns, then the police wouldn’t need guns.  If police didn’t have guns, then black teenagers couldn’t grab the policeman’s gun and try to shoot the policemen.  That is why you and I killed Michael Brown.

comment- Yeah, we told you their crazy.

comment- Every policeman I know has told me to get and carry a firearm.

14- A news reporter probably said more than she intended to say about herself.  She interviewed 10 year old Shyanne Roberts.  Shyanne is a three gun competitor from New Jersey.  How did Shyanne start shooting?  Her dad is a firearms instructor.  Shyanne wanted to shoot rather than sit and watch when they were at the range.  To the reporter, this is incredible and simply unbelievable.  A responsible young gun owner is frankly beyond what the reporter can imagine.  The reporter admitted that seeing the unloaded weapons made her nervous. Quote, “Very nervous.  If my daughter was handling a gun I’d feel very nervous.”  close quote.  Shyanne answered perfectly.  When you learn to handle them safely, it’s not scary at all.  It’s pretty fun.

The reporter had to dig up an anti-rights activist who said it is irresponsible to let children know how to handle firearms because accidents can happen.

comment- The Center for Disease Control collects accident rates. They found that target shooting is safer than cheerleading.  Kathy Jackson spoke about this last week in our gun quotes.  Guns are not dangerous.  Ignorance of guns is dangerous.

15- Alan Korwin had an explanation why crime has fallen so fast in Arizona.  Arizona has hundreds of thousands of private citizens discreetly carrying firearms for the sole purpose of self defense and stopping crime.  Some are licensed.  Some carry under the law of Constitutional Carry that has been in place for the last four years.  Alan Korwin scoffs at the news media who say “police and criminologists don’t have an explanation for the dip” in homicides that statistics keep showing.

Innocent people are armed against crime.  Shooting ranges and trainers are busy educating the public.  That is why crime drops, and yet “officials” don’t recognize the results. Why do you think every state in the Union [accept New Jersey] finally has some form of discreet carry?  National statistics on the subject are overwhelmingly positive — society is safer when criminals don’t know who’s armed.  Guns save lives, guns stop crime, and criminologists don’t have clues.  That is the great trinity somehow doesn’t make the “news.”  This would be funny if it wasn’t so serious.

Gun Quotes

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves. – William Pitt, 1783

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

This DGU was sent in from our listener Scott.  Two armed  and masked men stormed into a Houston gas station and tried to rob the cashier.  We don’t know if the criminals had robbed gas stations before, but we know this gas station and this cashier had been robbed before.  This time they were armed as well.  The criminals raised their guns when the clerk told them to leave.  The clerk then shot one of the men.  Both criminals fled.  Now police are checking video and blood samples from the crime scene.  They want to compare them with a man who checked himself into a local hospital with a gunshot wound.  The store clerk was not injured.

Thank you for the story, Scott.

-A 36 year old repeat criminal climbed through a back bedroom window in a Baton Rouge, Louisiana home.  Court records show the robber had a criminal history that went back to the 1990s.  He was charged with burglary in 2003.  He was convicted and served three years in prison for possession of stolen articles 2008.  He had been arrested for several other drug charges and theft.  This time was different.  This time the resident was home in the middle of the day with his wife and children.  This time the homeowner was armed.  The homeowner confronted the burglar, and then shot him three times in the upper torso.  The burglar was taken to a local hospital where he died.  He had drugs in his possession at the time of the shooting.  No charges have been filed against the homeowner.

-Willie Johnson of Meridian, Mississippi was leaving for work Thursday morning.  He set his house alarm and notices someone nearby.  That is when a stranger with a gun ran at him.  Johnson was also armed.  He drew his gun and fired twice before the robber turned and ran away.  The homeowner installed an alarm system and put bars around his house last year after thieves broke into his house twice.  Quote “if I hadn’t had my protection and practiced doing this every day, he would have got me. He would have robbed me, maybe even killed me.” said Johnson.

-A man entered a pharmacy in Cheyenne, Wyoming early in the morning.  He demanded pain medication and pointed a handgun at the people inside the pharmacy.  The 42 year old pharmacist drew his revolver and shot the robber in the chest one time.  The robber was transported to a local hospital and is listed in stable condition.  The robbers gun was found to be a plastic toy.  The pharmacist was not charged and his name was not released.  The pharmacy reopened at noon.

Concealed carrier breaks the rules and stops a criminal.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com.  We hope you’ll share them with a friend.

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Email #1 from Jake

I believe it was episode 287 when you guys mentioned briefly that social media is a sort of echo chamber where we only tend to hear from those who agree with us.  This is very true, and I, at least, try and make a conscious effort to counteract that by reaching out and interacting with different groups (which, as a libertarian, tends to happen anyway).  Present company excepted, I think most people fall victim to this, with serious consequences for our political process.

It would be very easy for most people to go their entire lives without hearing opinions that contradict their own if they wanted to hang out on community forums, strongly biased news agencies, and only surrounded themselves with Facebook friends and Twitter followers that shared their beliefs.  We do this by instinct, and I think it’s one of the reasons we’re so polarized as a nation these days – We only hear from those who agree with us, and the only arguments from the opposing side we usually hear are straw-man caricatures passed around and beat up in one-sided discussions, which dehumanizes folks on the other side of the line – We don’t see them as logical people with rational (if misguided) views, but as evil, stupid, fascist, etc. etc.  It contributes to an us-vs-them mentality that doesn’t promote discussion, cooperation, and compromise but conflict, posturing, and ultimatums.

I try and counteract this by doing what you guys talk about almost every week – Being an ambassador for my community.  I also try and listen with an open mind.  I’ve had my mind legitimately changed on some topics, and I’ve changed several minds as well, and given others something to think about.

That’s why shows like yours are important – It’s reasoned discussion about facts.  If it’s possible to find a reasonable, rational anti-gunner who argues with evidence instead of feelings, though, I think it could be educational to host a discussion on the subject.

Thanks,

-Jake

And by the way, yes, some people do read the show notes – I’m one of them!

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Rob- Jake, you reset the standard for e-mail to the podcast.  Well said, Jake!

Jake also sent in a follow up email –

Continuing to listen through the backlog of podcasts, I heard mention of the black-on-black crime statistics.  This is one of those things that is popular to talk about in conservative circles, but my liberal friends inform me that it’s not relevant because a similar percentage of crime against white people is perpetrated by other white people.  It’s not that black people are victimizing other black people as much as it is all criminals victimizing others of the same race, probably because they tend to live in the same neighborhoods and associate with each other.  I’m a sucker for statistics, and I was convinced by the stat that 83% of white murders in 2011 were white-on-white.  I still think they’re wrong about the Officer Wilson case, but the black-on-black crime statistics don’t seem to be as relevant as we might think.

Thanks,

-Jake

And then Jeff sent this one in –

(I’m) Getting caught up on podcasts, got a bit behind with the Thanksgiving break.  Congrats on your new sponsor, that is awesome news!  I’m delighted for you and your crew!

The podcast has come a long way, I know too well that you had considered ending the process, I for one, am glad you decided not to!  Things are really starting to hum,  keep up the great work!

Be Safe!

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I was thinking about the recent elections.  We won.  Now, what do we want.  I want more freedom and less government.  I don’t want a single new law, but I’d love to eliminate a few thousand of the ones we have.  I want less.  That article is up at Clash Daily and on my blog.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

Susan: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 290 – San Diego Testimony

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  We’re recording on Wednesday, December 3rd, 2014.  I’m John Richardson
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about the charges being dropped against seven open carry demonstrators in Texas after their wrongful arrests last year.
Rob- I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s, a Kansas man admitted you’re never prepared to defend your family. So climb aboard.
Rachel: strap in
John: and hang on!  Episode 290 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
John- We had to delay the release of our Sunday podcast because we’d reached our bandwidth limits.  Our podcast has grown slightly longer and larger.. and we have more listeners.

John – I am working on a ultra-lightweight AR build. My carbon fiber lower arrived Monday and it is less than half the weight of a normal AR lower. I hope to get it assembled this coming weekend while hanging out with my son-in-law’s dad Jeff. We have been banished from the baby shower for my future granddaughter. I think we may also go to a local shooting range.

Rachel- Spent a while this afternoon printing up gun bills. I started to roll my eyes about the hundreds of pages of open carry bills that I have to read through and study…and then I caught myself. That’s a much better problem to have than last year’s problem. This weekend is the quarterly SREC meeting. They’ll be discussing the Constitutional Carry resolution. I’ll be there.

Rob- I testified before the San Diego County Board of Supervisors about our Sheriff’s concealed carry policies.  The Supervisors give the public a chance to speak every few weeks.  You get two minutes.  Three of us spoke.  I’ll play the testimony during the interview segment.

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Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast news segment powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition.

1- Seven Texans were wrongfully arrested last year during open carry demonstrations at the Texas State Capitol. They were carrying black powder pistols, or – in one case – a toy revolver. None were breaking any law, however, their revolvers were confiscated as evidence and they were forced to fight court battles. Last week, they were vindicated: all charges against them were dropped.

Rob’s comment- I thought Austin was a liberal city.. and that liberals encouraged a free expression of diverse ideas and lifestyles.  Not if “pro-choice” includes the choice of self-defense.

2- Do we tell the truth when a survey calls us and asks if we are gun-owners?  Some of us do, and some of us don’t.  The way you find out is to get a list of people who have registered their firearms with the state.  Then, call these registered gun owners and ask them if they own guns.  Some will deny owning guns when a stranger calls on the phone.  That is exactly what some researchers did.  Their results suggest that telephone surveys under-report gun ownership by between one in eight gun owners to one in ten.

3- A Bloomberg-funded, anti-rights group submitted petitions demanding universal NICS checks for every firearms transfer in Nevada.  A pro-rights group read the law, and checked the petitions.  Now Nevadans for State Gun Rights asked Nevada’s Secretary of State Ross Miller to disqualify the proposed ballot measure because the petitioners didn’t follow the law.

For example, petitions were turned in Nov. 13 to the Storey County clerk.  That means proponents not only missed the Nov. 12 deadline there.  It also means the petitioners missed a requirement to submit documents to each of Nevada’s 17 county clerks on the same day.  Some petition pages also lacked a required affidavit, some were circulated by ineligible signature gatherers, and 52 signatures were dated after the Oct. 25 notary date.  The spokesman for Nevadans for State Gun Rights said they expect to find more irregularities with petitions submitted to clerks in 10 other northern Nevada counties.  Clerks in the state’s 17 counties have until Thursday to sample petitions and report any irregularities.

4- I’m not sure if this is good news, or not.  The New Jersey Attorney General’s office ruled that smart guns are not so smart after all.  That means the Armatix iP1 handgun does not start the clock on that state’s so-called “smart gun” law.  The Attorney General said, quote “After careful consideration of the iP1’s design, we have determined that it does not satisfy the statutory definition because, as a matter of design, the pistol may be fired by a person who is not an authorized or recognized user. That is, as long as the pistol is situated within 10 inches of the enabling wristwatch, it may be fired by anyone..”

Break-  We’ll be back with more news about New Jersey after this break.

5- Some older politicians are slowly learning about social media.  New Jersey State Senator Loretta Weinberg posted a picture of her trip to Israel on Facebook.  This is the same New Jersey Senator who repeatedly said she does not think New Jersey citizens should be allowed to own or carry a firearm for defense.  She said quote “I don’t like guns”.

Then she posed with two Israeli Defense Force soldiers carrying guns and Weinberg said how SAFE she felt with them.  Don’t blame the messenger.  Facebook simply let us see Senator Weinberg as the hypocrite she is.

6- Also from New Jersey- multiple home invasions of asian-indian homes.  Peter Kothari, a local activist in the Indian community, said that patience is wearing thin.

“We are scared,” Kothari said. “People in power don’t understand. I’m lucky I’m not a victim like that. I know that if I have to pass one minute with a gun on my head, how would I feel?”

Kothari said he’s working on organizing a protest or a news conference to bring attention to the community’s concerns. Despite the nearly month-long lull between invasions, Kothari said he was never entirely at ease about the chance that it could happen again.

“It’s going to happen, naturally,” Kothari said. “Once they run out of the money they will go out and do it. Somebody at some point is going to get hurt.”

http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2014/11/old_bridge_home_invasion.html

7- These are important days for gun rights in New York, and for gun rights in the rest of the United States.  Next week, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit will hear oral arguments in the case of Nojay versus Cuomo.  The case questions the New York SAFE act.  At stake is whether the Second Amendment is only meaningless rhetoric that allows the government total control over what firearms citizens may or may not possess.  The law’s backers are calling the bluff of gun owners in a very high-stakes gamble.  The anti-rights politicians are trying to force the US Supreme Court to rule whether all Americans have a constitutional right to an AK-47 and a 30-round magazine, or if guns can be regulated without limit.  They are confident that the Supreme Court is dominated by justices from liberal states with the strictest gun control laws in the country.. and that the Justices will vote “no.”

8- Jaime Caetano was beaten so badly by her ex-boyfriend that she ended up in the hospital. So when a friend offered her a stun gun to protect herself, she took it. Caetano, who is homeless, never had to use it but now finds herself at the center of a contentious Second Amendment case headed to the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. The question is whether the state law that prohibits possession of stun guns by private citizens violates the right to keep and bear arms. The court is also being asked to examine whether the Second Amendment right to defend yourself in your own home applies in the case of a homeless person.

This case dates back to 2011 when police found Ms. Caetano’s stun gun while investigating her over a shoplifting incident.  She was found guilty of violating the state’s ban on stun guns.  In her appeal, her lawyer, Benjamin Keehn, argues that a stun gun falls within the meaning of “arms” under the Second Amendment. Keehn wrote in a legal brief that the state’s ban “cannot be squared with the fundamental right to keep and bear arms.” He also argues that self-defense outside the home is part of the core right provided by the Second Amendment.

http://news.yahoo.com/homeless-womans-stun-gun-spurs-2nd-amendment-case-183705962.html

9- A U.S. Navy Gulf War veteran and his wife are challenging the constitutionality of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands Weapons Control Act.  With the help of the Second Amendment Foundation, David Radich and Li-Rong Radich have until the end of the year to submit their request for summary judgement to the federal court.  The Mariana islands are as far west of Hawaii as Hawaii is west of San Diego.  Evil is everywhere, and Mrs Radich was attacked in 2010 while her husband was deployed.  She was home alone when their residence was invaded.  She was attacked and beaten.  She suffered two broken ribs, facial contusions, along with a broken orbital bone and eye socket.

James C. Deleon Guerrero is the Department of Public Safety Commissioner in the Islands, and is the defendant in the case.  The Commissioner and his lawyer expect an unfavorable ruling from the federal judge.  They asked the Island Legislature to pass an alternative gun control law quote “swiftly and without hesitation.”

10- Rachel- Kathy Jackson gave us this lengthy gun quote- “The most important factor affecting how children deal with guns is how they are taught about them. A study of 675 Rochester, New York ninth and tenth graders contrasted children who had been socialized into gun use by their family with children who had been socialized into gun use by peers. For the children whose families had taught them about lawful gun use, the children were at no greater risk of becoming involved in crime, gangs, or drugs than children with no exposure to guns. But the children who were taught about guns by their peers were at high risk of all types of crime and improper behavior, including gun crime.”  Kathy’s take is this.  Smart parents teach their kids about the world, including how to safely use ‘dangerous’ tools like kitchen knives, hot stoves, and firearms.  Smart parents also keep firearms safely locked up where unauthorized people — including children — cannot reach them. But smart parents also remember that the most basic goal of parenting is to work yourself out of a job. As the kids grow, so should their knowledge of the world.

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this advertisement Concealment Solutions

Segment 3 Interviews
Audio from testimony before the San Diego County Board of Supervisors.  Have you testified yet?

Segment 4 DGUs

Welcome to the DGU segment of the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition.

1-A homeowner in Sedgwick County, Kansas woke early in the morning to the sound of his alarm going off.  The next sound he heard was breaking glass.  The homeowner grabbed his firearm and shot the intruder as he entered the home.  When asked if this was something he’d prepared for, the homeowner said, “No, absolutely not. Can’t say that I was prepared for it. I don’t know how you prepare for something like that.”  The burglar was taken to an area hospital for treatment of his gunshot wound. He was then arrested on aggravated burglary charges.  Two adults and three children were at the house at the time of the break-in and shooting. None were hurt.  “We’re thankful that everyone is safe,” the homeowner said.

2-A San Antonio teen robber is in the hospital with a chest wound. He had forced his way into another teen’s home intent on robbery early Monday morning. The robber and his intended victim got into a scuffle and the robber ended up being shot with his own 9mm pistol. The robber was airlifted to University Hospital and is in critical condition. Police say no charges are expected against the teen who shot the robber.

3- Domestic disputes are not pretty. Steven Swanson of New Orleans tried to run his wife and children down with his truck after arguing with his wife the Friday before Thanksgiving. She had been trying to leave following the argument. She was armed and shot him several times in an effort to protect herself and the children. Swanson died later at a local hospital. While police are still investigating the incident, no charges are pending against the wife who is a Harbor Police patrol officer.

4- An Amarillo, Texas home owner was the victim of a burglary twice in one day. The first time the thieves broke in and departed. However, when Dustin Kirkland, 26, and Ashlee Posey, 21, returned to rob again, they were met by the homeowner who was armed. He held them at gunpoint until police arrived. Prior to their arrival, the homeowner had notified police he was holding the suspects. The two were arrested and charged with burglary of a habitation.

5- Three men walked into a south city bar in Saint Louis, Missouri late at night.  They yelled for everyone to get down on the floor.  One of the robbers shot a female customer in the head.  The bar called Pooh’s Corner is a well known hangout for off duty police officers.  After the robbers started shooting, an off duty police officer started shooting back.  One of the criminals was shot in the chest, the other was shot in the eye.  Both were taken into custody.  The wounded customer at the bar was taken to the local hospital where she died of her injuries.

Here is the Glock commercial where a criminal tries to rob a cop diner.

6- I hope your Thanksgiving went well and your guests were polite.  A family in Whitmore Lake, Michigan had family over for the holiday.  A neighbor’s ram had escaped and was grazing on Mike Richard’s lawn.  First it chased the family into their house.  The ram broke a glass storm door and then tried to butt its way through their garage door.  That is when Mr. Richard shot the neighbor’s animal.  Mr. Richard says he needed to protect his mother-in-law and pregnant relative.  He also said it was a Thanksgiving he and his family will never forget.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion
-Reader Mark N. writes:

California Attorney General Kamala Harris has moved for an en banc reconsideration/rehearing of the denial of her motion to intervene in the Peruta case.   Her legal brief refers to the pending en banc application in the companion case, Richards v. Prieto.  AG Harris addresses neither why the state’s interests cannot be adequately represented by Sheriff Prieto, nor why it is that she didn’t seek to intervene in that case.

There is an explanation as to why Harris did not intervene in Richards.  The state was even named as a defendant in Richards.  The state successfully argued to be dismissed as a defendant because the state was not a proper party to the lawsuit.  The state argued that the Richards case only affected the application of the sheriff’s discretion in issuing carry permits.  The state argued that the case did not address the underlying constitutionality of the state’s may issue law.  That is the direct opposite of what Harris is arguing in Peruta.

-Ken from Phoenix writes:
Listening to the most recent DGU’s on your podcast, about a home invasion, I thought I’d send you this info. It’s about opening a door safely to see who is out there. I recently became aware of a company called Security Screen Masters and went ahead and bought them for my home here in Phoenix. Originally designed as hurricane safety screens, they are steel and aluminum, and work quite well for security. You can keep your doors and windows wide open, with the security screens locked, and the bad guy can’t get in. Yet, you have full-view to the outside. They also work as sun screens, and also keep all the bugs out, just as a normal screen would do.

Yes, they are very expensive. The installer said I was unusual in that most people don’t buy them until after their house was broken into. But, I had the money, so I got them before a crime was committed here.  It’s an added insurance policy that I pay for one time only.

How expensive? Figure what you’d consider reasonable, double it, and double it again!  My single story home cost $8,000 for all the doors and windows, averaging about $1,000 per opening. But, if you have the money, what price is security?

Here’s the link- http://securityscreenmasters.com

I get nothing out of this. I’m only a customer. But it was new to me, and maybe of interest to you and your listeners.
Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

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Rob- John, do you want to mention your post on your No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money, Blog?

I did a post about the Liberal Party of Canada and their opposition to changes in that county’s gun laws. They especially object to the bill’s switching the authority of deciding which guns should be prohibited from the RCMP to elected representatives. They call it unacceptable. It is hard for me to understand anyone wanting leave critical decisions like this in the hands of unaccountable bureaucrats rather than in elected representatives.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time.. stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 289 – Prepper Press

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, November 30th, 2014.  I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse.  On tonights show we interviewed Derrick of Prepper Press.
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop,  and boy did you listeners buy a lot of guns on black Friday!  So climb aboard.
Rob: strap in.
Paul : and hang on! Episode 289 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Welcome back to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  This is our personal news segment.

Mosin 100yds ironsRob- Shot the Mosin-Nagant and and finally sighted it in.  I must have gotten lucky, because it shot 2 minute of angle.  I don’t know that I could do that again, but I’ll let you know next time I do.  The limb-saver butt cuff makes this rifle a pussycat. Since I shot the MN, I got to take the rifle apart and clean it, and clean it again.  Imported military surplus ammunition is really dirty.  I dry practiced.  I stopped by a local gun store.  They had a good crowd the day after Thanksgiving.   The cable TV debate I was on started to run on One America News Network.

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Welcome back to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  This is our news segment.

1-Did you go to a gun store the day after Thanksgiving?  A lot of people did, and did they every buy some guns.  The national instant background check system processed three requests a second or about one hundred forty five thousand requests on Friday.  About 3000 NICS requests will require additional background searches, mostly because of incomplete court records.  The FBI will process 2 million NICS inquiries this year.  The flood of sales on Friday was three times the average number.

2-A few weeks ago, a gunman opened fire on unarmed students and staff.  The assault took place just outside the library of the University of Florida, Tallahassee.  University Security has staff on scene who checks book bags and backpacks as students enter the library.  There is virtually no security on campus outside the library perimeter.  Nathan Scott was shot during the gunman’s attack.  He is a staff member of the University Library.  He is also a concealed carry holder and a member of Students for Concealed Carry.  Scott was disarmed by University regulations which prohibit carry on campus.  An army veteran studying at the library was also disarmed by University regulations.  A law to allow concealed carry on Florida campuses was vigorously fought by then Florida republican state senator, and now FSU President, John Thrasher.  President Thrasher’s anti-rights vote has now left one student paralyzed and two others wounded.

After this shooting, anti-rights activist will demand more honest civilians be disarmed.  The attacker was a former New Mexico prosecutor who recently lost his job.  What law would stop him from receiving a firearm?

According to a study by the Crime Prevention Research Center, there have been no reported problems with permit holders in the nine states that mandate colleges allow permitted concealed handguns on campuses.

3-I’m sure you heard that the Grand Jury in Ferguson, Missouri no-billed officer Darren Wilson.  You might have heard that two New York Times reporters published officer Wilson’s address.  I bet you didn’t hear that address and phone numbers of the two reporters were then made public on Facebook.  Now Chicago based New York Times reporter Julie Bosman is calling the Chicago police at the 20th District Station  every few minutes.  She complained about people harassing and threatening her.  It seems she keeps getting fast food delivered to her address.. food that she didn’t order.  She is also getting hate calls and hate mail.  I suspect she is receiving exactly the same treatment she expected Officer Wilson and his family to receive.  Anyone wonder why she is calling those “mean racists” men who wear blue uniforms and carry guns?

Thank you, officers, for your service on Thanksgiving, and for putting up with idiots like reporter Julie Bosman year ‘round.

4-Maybe the New York Times Reporter should get a gun.. after she waits a month for the required Illinois Firearms Owners Identification Card and then waits the required period after she buys a gun.  She could go to a local gun store and buy a gun, except there aren’t an local gun stores in Chicago.  She could learn to shoot at the local range.. except the Chicago city council has outlawed gun ranges in and near Chicago.  Getting a gun is a good idea because saying that the chicago police will protect you isn’t very realistic.  The Chicago Police are able to identify the criminal in only a quarter of their murder cases, and a smaller fraction of the 2000 shootings in Chicago each year.  The Chicago Police have pulled staff from high crime areas so they can protect the well-to-do neighborhoods.

5-This story was sent in by listener Scott from Texas.  One gas station in Ferguson, Missouri was brightly lit all night while other stores were closed, dark and boarded up.  The open store also had armed guards.  Unpaid armed guards.  They were armed black men who volunteered without being asked.  Many, but not all of them, are former employees of the gas station owner.  The gas station owner is white.

At first there were some issues with the national guard, but those problems were ironed out once the national guard learned who belonged and who didn’t.  The volunteer security team open carried slung ARs and some holstered handguns.

Doug Merello owns the gas station.  He said his store would have been burned to the ground many times over if it weren’t for the armed volunteers.  Merello’s father bought the station back in 1984.

One of the volunteer guards said, “He’s a nice dude, he’s helped us a lot.”   This black volunteer lived a short distance away from the store for most of his life.  Together the volunteers chased away several groups of teenagers.  They’ve had to display their weapons and threaten the thugs who tried to rob the gas station.  That is the news about responsible gun owners you won’t see on CNN, but now YOU know.

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Welcome back to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  This is our second news segment.  Susan, what is our next story?

6-It is called regression analysis.  This is a type of statistical analysis that tries to determine cause and correlation from social science data.  Academic studies using regression analysis are where we hear academics argue if guns cause crime or if guns prevent crime.  Doctor John Lott knows the data and how statistics can be misused.  Doctor Lott recently published a rebuttal to an article in the Washington Post.  Lott explains that the data can be confusing when a long term trend of crime reduction takes place along with changes in state concealed carry law.  It isn’t a matter of black and white, but measuring the changing shades of gray.  Lott points out that states who were the first to adopt concealed carry laws had lower fees and far fewer restrictions than the states who adopted concealed carry later on.  The early states had many more concealed carry holders precisely because they imposed fewer restrictions.  Those states who were the first to adopt concealed carry also had the largest drop in crime.  Smaller reductions for the more restrictive states is exactly what the “More Guns, Less Crime” hypothesis  would predict.

Two-thirds of peer-reviewed research by economists and criminologists finds that right-to-carry laws reduce violent crime.

Comment- Anti-rights bigots make up statistics.  Will stupid Americans believe them?

7-A federal judge ordered Wal-Mart Stores to let shareholders vote on a proposal to force tighter oversight of its sale of high-capacity guns and other potentially offensive products.

A U.S. District Judge in Wilmington, Delaware said Walmart wrongly excluded such a proposal from Trinity Church, a historic Wall Street church, from its annual meeting.

The proposal ignores the 42 thousand accidental traffic deaths each year.  Does Walmart ban cars and eliminate its parkinglots?

The proposal ignores the 39 thousand accidental poisonings.  Children taste the kitchen chemicals and teenagers try grandma’s medicines.  Still, Walmarts have pharmacies and sell kitchen cleaners.

The proposal ignores the 25 thousand falls that kill us each  year.  Walmart even promotes these deaths by selling some high-heel shoes.

The proposal ignores the 2500 deaths from fire and smoke inhalation.  Walmart doesn’t offer free batteries and smoke detectors.  Instead they sell charcoal lighter fluid and cigarette lighters.

Instead the proposal focused on the 6 to 7 hundred accidental deaths from firearms.  The rate of firearms accidents is at a record low even when we use an expansive definition of accidental death.

That is too many, so be safe out there.  Take a course and practice what you were shown.  And you’re right, some judges do crazy things with the law.

8-You may remember the Muslim who murdered a soldier standing honor guard at the Canadian war memorial, and who then attacked Parliament.  The murderer was shot by the Sargeant at Arms who used to serve in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.  During that attack, most of the guards at Parliament were not armed.  Now they will be.  So will the guards at the House of Commons.  The two security forces will merge and are being retrained now to provide armed security.  A spokeswoman said she could not comment on the number of guards protecting Parliament at any one time.

9-Elections have consequences, and so do votes.  Magpul Industries announced it has opened its new facilities in Texas and Wyoming as it winds down operations in Colorado.  The Wyoming facility will also expand early next year.  Magpul plans to retain a small office in Colorado as they continue to help relocate their existing Colorado staff, and to provide regional sales support.  Magpul officials said that they will continue to support gun rights in Colorado even after moving their headquarters and production facilities out of state.

Magpul was the largest firearms company to announce it would leave Colorado after Democrat Governor John Hickenlooper signed three gun control bills in March of last year.  The company ran its manufacturing and corporate operations from facilities in Erie, Colorado.  Company CEO Richard Fitzpatrick said Texas and Wyoming were selected based on factors that included support for individual liberties and personal responsibility.  The company is known for its polymer firearms accessories.  Colorado lost the direct and support jobs from Magpul that totaled over 85 million dollars a year.

10-Speaking of bad laws and their consequences.. Washington State passed initiative 594 by 10 percent.  Few voters read it.  The law requires a firearms transfer for any use of quote “ a device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.” Close quote.  Those words were written in black and white, but will Home Depot, Walmart, Cabela’s, West Marine and countless other sporting goods and hardware stores, as well as construction companies in Washington comply with the new law?

Walmart and West Marine sell flare guns used for signaling.  These flares are required safety equipment on boats.  Now, each sale needs an authorized firearms transfer with the FFL taking possession of the item during the transfer.  Only the official owner is allowed to handle the distress flare.

Home Depot, Lowe’s and other hardware stores sell and rent nail guns.  These construction tools use a small propellant charge to drive specially hardened nails into concrete or steel foundations.  Now, each rental and each return of the tool requires a firearms transfer.  It is a state misdemeanor if a second worker touches or transports the tool on the job site.

The Washington DOT loans out an artillery gun with a road crew for avalanche control in the mountains.. or at least they used to.  Now each operator is required to complete a firearms transfer each time the equipment moves from one crew to the next.

I-594 did not use the standard federal definition of a firearm.  The way 594 is written, it isn’t clear to firearms owners if the gun’s receiver is the restricted item or if the cartridge case is the restricted item.

Gun owners have planned mass demonstrations and civil disobedience of 594.  Washington law enforcement officers have little interest seeking prosecutions under 594.  Washington initiative 594 will face a court challenge.  Some judge will determine if the poorly written initiative will be invalidated.  The question remains if an abusive law enforcement officer or prosecutor will selectively apply the law.

Gun Quotes

“President Obama has nominated U.S. Attorney Loretta Lynch to be the country’s next attorney general. Lynch is a curious choice, as she has no previous experience in running guns to Mexico.” That quote is from comedian Jodi Miller.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this.

Segment 3 Interviews

Interview with Derrick of Prepper Press

Segment 4 DGUs

1-A man broke into an Edmonds Washington house in the middle of the night.  The female homeowner woke up at 3 a.m as the intruder pounded on her front door.  She called 911 and grabbed her gun.  She thought she knew the intruder and opened the door.  When it wasn’t someone the homeowner recognized, she tried to push the intruder back outside.  That didn’t work.  The homeowner shot the intruder when he continued to force his way into her home.  Police officers arrived moments later to find the wounded intruder on the front lawn.  He was taken into custody and driven to Harborview Medical Center where he is being treated for the gunshot wound.  The woman’s husband and their 14-, 10- and 5-year-old children were inside the home, as well as a friend of the 14-year-old.  No one else was hurt.

The intruder’s friends say he’d been out drinking and was looking for friends who used to live in the house some time ago.

2-18 year old Adric White was convicted of armed robbery and facing five more counts.  He was out on bail awaiting sentencing when he tried to rob a Family Dollar store in Mobile, Alabama.  The teenager entered the store, drew his gun and waved his gun in the faces of store employees and customers while he demanded cash.  A good Samaritan with a legal concealed carry permit noticed the masked gunman lead one of the employees to the front of the store where the robber had a gun to the store clerks head while the clerk was down on his knees.  The good Samaritan sized up the situation and told White to drop his gun.  Instead, the armed robber turned toward him.  The good Samaritan shot White five times.  White survived.

White’s sister said quote “If [the customer’s] life was not in danger, if no one had a gun up to him, if no one pointed a gun at him (then) what gives him the right to think that it’s okay to just shoot someone?” Another relative said quote “You should have just left the store and went wherever you had to go in your car or whatever.”  close quote.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

We talked about Facebook blocking any company that links to a site with any firearms sales.  Listener Scott from Texas showed us the website “gunchannels.com”.  They describe themselves as a site for Firearms Enthusiasts, Shooters of all sorts, Shooting Sports Competitors, Hunters, Collectors, Manufacturers, Gun Shops and others involved in the firearms community.  There are no ads, no banners, no user tracking, and the don’t sell your click data to anyone.  It costs $1 per month.

Thank you, Scott.  I’d like to hear from our listeners who’ve used that site.

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I debated a lawyer from the San Francisco based Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.  That was on the Tomi Lahren show which airs on the One America News Network.  I don’t know if they will post the full debate on the web, but I have a partial video of the debate on my blog page and on Youtube.  If you like the video, then you might want to let Tomi know about other gun-rights topics for her to cover.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Derrick of Prepper Press for joining us today.  Rob, will you be with us next week?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Episode 288 – Doris Montrose

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast  presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, November 26th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Doris Montrose about the organization Jews Can Shoot and their firearms training classes.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about Bloomberg’s Thanksgiving diet recommendations.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Rob: Episode 288 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I got my IDPA scores.  I placed 12th out of 26th.  My time was good, but I have to study the results to find out where I lost points.  I plan to shoot Friday with friends.
John – In gun related items, I have been compiling my annual list of Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals in firearms and firearms related items. While some of these will be over by the time this podcast airs, still check them out. Some continue on into December. I have seen prices really coming down compared to last year especially with the glut of AR-15s.
Rachel- nothing guns or politics, just pies and getting ready for Thanksgiving celebrations.

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-It appears at least one shop owner in Ferguson, Missouri decided he wasn’t just going to leave his store for the violent crowds last night.  In a recorded news video, a man can be seen walking around inside of a shop wearing a clearly visible, holstered handgun.  Nearby businesses were set on fire, but protesters left this shop alone.  We can’t tell if it was the armed shop owner, or if there was some other reason this shop was undamaged.  We can say that the shops that were burned did NOT have armed security.

-A few miles away from Ferguson, about 20 men with handguns and AR-15 rifles stood around the perimeter of a small group of stores.  About 100 cars had come by throughout the night to check out the mall, but the cars turned away.   One of the store owners said, “There’s nothing in this strip mall open, so you’re going to get scrutinized.”  The strip mall had been hit by vandals soon after the shooting in August.  Not this time.

-Let me put the growth of firearms for self-defense in perspective.  Last year they renewed 800 concealed carry handgun licenses in Orange County California.  They have eight times that number waiting for initial review and approval.. and the year is not over.  The big change was that the sheriff of Orange County now allows concealed carry for self-defense.

Concealed carry in El Paso County, Colorado has been growing steadily for a decade, particularly for women.  There were about 900 women with concealed carry licenses in 2005.  Now there are eight times that many.

Nationwide, almost 3.6 percent of the total US population has a concealed carry license.  That number grows by about 12 percent a year.

-If guns cause crime, then a lot of our guns are broken.  2013 was a record year for gun sales with almost 14 million background checks recorded by the NICS system.  During the same year, the number of law enforcement officers shot and killed in the line of duty fell by 40 percent.  That great news is part of a broader trend.  Violent crime against private citizens also fell in 2013.

-And to also keep things in perspective, 18 people were shot last weekend in Chicago and three of them died from their injuries.  That makes 343 people shot and killed, 2003 shot and wounded, for a total of 2346 people shot so far this year in the gun-control city of Chicago.  No one with a concealed carry permit has been charged with one of the shootings.

-Some Ohio School Boards are not as bright as others.  A school district in Logan County discussed placing guns in schools for teachers and staff members in case of an active shooter situation. The Riverside Local School Superintendent Scott Mann said he hopes this policy could be used as a deterrent from potential threats.  Now get this next news.  School board members have discussed placing firearms secured in lock boxes around the building. Mann said he wouldn’t support having teachers carrying concealed firearms. “ I do not want guns on teachers in the classroom.  I think that’s one of the worst safety plans you can have.”

Mann advocates placing loaded handguns in its seven school buildings with each weapon locked in a box that can only be opened by a fingerprint.

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Park City, Utah is the latest Utah city to roll back firearms regulations that were not in compliance with Utah state law. Park City officials made the changes after receiving a letter from the Second Amendment Foundation. That letter informed them that they were not in compliance with the law and promised a lawsuit if things were not corrected. This is part of a 3-year effort to get rid of such regulations that conflict with state law or state and US constitutions.

-We reported last week that the Washington DC City Council was already being questioned for contempt charges after ignoring a judges ruling to issue concealed carry permits to DC residents and visitors.  The city council reviewed their licensing plans, and didn’t change them much at all.  Their big change was to recommend that houses of worship could not allow concealed handguns unless they advertise otherwise.  They also revised the appeals board who would review denied applications.  DC is set to respond to the contempt charge by December 4th and Attorney Alan Gura is to submit briefs a week later.

-Michael Bloomberg dropped a million dollars setting up shop in Nevada.  Actually, he contributed two million, but has only spend half that so far.  His anti-rights group submitted signatures to put gun restrictions on the ballot.  He had to file campaign finance  documents with the Nevada Secretary of State.  The ballot initiative will be presented to the Nevada Legislature in 2015. By law they have three options. Ignore it, amend it with a competing bill, or pass it. If it is ignored or amended, the ballot initiative will be on the 2016 ballot. After Nevada, Arizona is next in the list for Bloomberg.

-The department of social services in Craven County North Carolina is afraid of guns.  He asked to have the social services department declared a gun free zone.  He already disarmed his employees, but is concerned that the general public may be armed.  The county commissioners said they will look at placing an armed guard in the social services department.

-Another month has gone by, and there is another motion in the 5 year old case of Peruta Versus San Diego.  The 3 judge panel denied the California Attorney General’s petition for standing.  Now the Attorney General is appealing the panel’s decision to the full court.  Said another way.. the attorney general asked for a review of the decision by the full court.  Now the AG is appealing to the full court to review the decision that denied her request for a review.  Is that clear?

-In the lead up to the grand jury’s decision on Monday, quite a number of residents of the St. Louis area were purchasing firearms to protect themselves from the expected civil unrest. Many of these new gun owners were new to firearms and to firearms safety and had no training. 26 year old Becca Campbell and her boyfriend were a couple of these new gun owners. Sadly, Becca is now dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. While driving with her boyfriend on Friday night, she started waving the pistol around in the car and muzzled her boyfriend. This startled him and caused him to swerve the car. He ended up rear-ending another car and she ended up shooting herself in the head. She died later at a local hospital. Police are conducting forensic tests to confirm the boyfriend’s story.

-This is part of the Polite Society Podcast diet plan to keep you from gaining too much weight of the holidays.  Like clockwork, the bloomberg groups have put out their holiday talking points that we’re supposed to bring up with our family and friends.  Would you like a serving of guilt along with your slice of gun-control propaganda?

comment- I understand it goes well with vegan tofu turkey.
comment- how is that a diet plan.
answer- it makes me sick to my stomach, and I’d feel the same way if someone brought up an anti-rights position at my Thanksgiving dinner.

Rob- We have two Gun Quotes for you today, and they are a study in contrasts.

John- The first is by John Adams.  He said “Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense.”
Rachel- The second reads Quote “One man with a gun can control 100 without one. … Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.” that was Vladimir Ilich Lenin
Rachel- We’ll be back after this advertisement for Concealment Solutions.  Remember that Concealment Solutions is giving away free shipping on this months orders.

Segment 3 Interviews

Jews Can Shoot- Doris Wise Montrose
What is the name of your title at Jews can Shoot? President and Founder (aka “Producer”) for CJHS. Jews Can Shoot is an initiative of CJHS.
Hello, Doris.  Thank you for coming on the Polite Society Podcast.
What is the name of your organization? Children of Jewish Holocaust Survivors (CJHS) is dedicated to educating the public in the United States and abroad about the intellectual and cultural climate that led to the Holocaust.
You’re having an event.  What is it called?  (What are you doing?)
You’ve done this before.  How many times?  How many came?
Who is invited?
Why is it important they come?
Why is it important your organization makes that training available?  (Is your group unique, or are there similar organizations?  Are you local or national?)
When is your next event? (you have several)
Where is it held?
What is covered in each class?  (classroom and range work)
What are the prerequisites for each event?  (beginner or intermediate shooters?  Age and athletic ability?  Do they need to bring their own firearms?)
Who does your training?  Are they members or hired instructors?)
Matt Weintraub and Ken Elva
How much does the class cost? $150 to $175
How do our listeners learn more about your classes and contact you?
http://cjhsla.org/jewscanshoot/2014/10/28/home-defense-personal-protection-inside-the-home-sunday-nov-30-shoot-safe-learning/

Segment 4 DGUs
-A Tuscaloosa woman has a stalker.  He called her earlier in the day and threatened he was coming over to kill her.  She fired two cartridges from her shotgun when he pulled up in her driveway.  The stalker left and then called for an ambulance after being struck in the neck by the shotgun pellets.  He was treated at a local medical center where police investigators discovered his history of domestic violence.  He was charged with stalking and trying to set this woman’s house on fire last April.  Witness confirmed what happened this week, and the stalker was arrested again, charged with third-degree domestic violence harassment, and booked in the County Jail.

-The shop keeper closed the store without a problem.  JJ’s corner convenience store is in Jackson, Mississippi.  Next the shop keeper pulled the chain bar fence across the front of the store and locked the front door.  That’s when he saw someone try to climb the fence and get in.  Next the robber came to the back of the store and broke a back window to get inside.  The store owner shot the robber when he entered the store.  The robber left the way he entered.  Security cameras showed the man climb into a waiting car, but he was too weak to close the door.  The two criminals drove away and the police have not found the wounded robber.

A 13 year old family member of the shopkeeper was shot and killed in an armed robbery a month ago.

-Two robbers approached their chosen victim at sundown in Birmingham, Alabama.  They told the victim to give up his valuables.  The victim was armed, and he shot one of the robbers.  Both robbers fled the scene.  Police later found the wounded man and transported him to a local medical center for treatment.  Birmingham Police do not expect to charge the intended victim.

-A similar thing happened in New Orleans.  An armed robber demanded that his victim turn over his valuables.  The victim handed over his cell phone.  The 22 year old robber, Samuel Sims,  demanded more.  That is when the intended victim drew his concealed carry firearm and shot Sims in the chest. Sims ran away and told a nearby resident that HE was the victim of a robbery.  Police and paramedics arrived and figured out the truth.  Sims was taken to the hospital.  The intended victim is cooperating with police, and we does not face charges for his self-defense shooting.

-An early morning home invasion in rural Orange County, Indiana started when the two homeowners heard someone enter their home.  They moved their mother into a back room, and then one of the brothers went to investigate.  The intruder started a fight.  the second brother walked in to find the intruder wearing a hooded sweatshirt with a bandana over his face and holding a knife.  The intruder was hitting his brother.  That is when the second brother shot the intruder.  23-year-old Jacob Grimes died at the scene.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Doris Montrose for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time… stay safe..
Rachel: be aware..
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Episode 287 – Brandon Combs

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by Firearms Policy Coalition.  This episode is recorded live on Sunday the 23rd of November 2014, I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Obama administration’s efforts to silence reporter Sharyl Attkisson.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a couple fought back against 3 home invaders..
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we will talk to Brandon Combs, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 287 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Welcome back to the polite society podcast powered by Firearms Policy Coalition.

Paul – .Susan and I did the Rescue run. It was supposed to be all complete on Monday, it stretched into Tuesday because of weather. Went out the rest of the week and had a good time hanging out with my sweetheart yesterday.  Did some dry fire practice yesterday morning and today have been running around a ton.   We are getting closer to Shot Show and have been in the planning stage. Susan and I decided that it would be smarter to rent a car and drive down rather than flying this year. we may be doing the same for GRPC next fall.

John – We did a story earlier about the ten worst cities for knife owners. I celebrated that by buying a knife that probably would be illegal in all ten of them! It is a CRKT Heiho folder that I got off of Woot. I also ordered a carbon fiber AR-15 lower from Tegra Arms. It want to do an ultralight build and this will save some weight. I’ll report on it after I get it built.

Rob- Gun Owners of California County meeting on Tuesday.  On the “One America” cable news channel Wednesday evening discussing gun rights.  That couldn’t have happened without John and Rachel for writing up Wednesday’s show.  Had food poisoning Thursday.  Shot IDPA yesterday.  I need time to dry practice.IDPA draw good speed bad form

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Welcome back to the polite society podcast powered by Firearms Policy Coalition.

-We already knew the Obama administration keeps an enemies list.  We already knew they used government agencies to target their political enemies.  And anyone who does not support the Obama administration’s policies is considered an enemy.  Today we have more proof.  CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson wrote about the US Department of Justice running guns to mexican drug gangs.  We also knew Attkisson wrote stories that never saw the light of day because her editors wouldn’t put them on the air.  We suspected the news managers at CBS were spiking the stories to please washington politicians.  That suspicion was confirmed in a department of justice e-mail.

The e-mail was buried in the 64 thousand e-mails released on the evening before the election.  Tracy Schmaler, who headed Eric Holder’s Office of Public Affairs, said Sharyl Attkisson had already hurt the reputation of Attorney General Eric Holder.  Schmaler reached out to Attkisson’s boss at CBS to have her stories stopped.  Even though it was buried in that stack of other documents, this e-mail was probably released by mistake.  The e-mail would have been redacted, but Attkisson’s name was misspelled in the e-mail.

-Rob was on TV this week with an anti-rights advocate who claimed guns cause crime.  In truth, crime and criminal violence go up and down for a variety of factors.  Many of the factors that should cause crime are on the increase.  For example, we’ve seen high unemployment, unprecedented numbers of home foreclosures, and massive drug-related violence in Mexico.  We’ve also seen more Americans choose to own a gun than ever before.  Despite those factors, violent crime in the US, including crime involving firearms, has been going down or holding steady.  If you hear otherwise, someone is lying. http://firearmscoalition.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=752:guns-up-crime-down&catid=19:the-knox-update&Itemid=144

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-This is a followup to a story we reported on in the last episode. Thanks to a local gun dealer the Lynden Pioneer Museum in Bellingham, Washington won’t have to remove the World War 2 vintage firearms from their  exhibit entitled “Over the Beach: The WWII Pacific Theater”. They thought that with the passage of I-594 it would have been too costly to conduct background checks to comply with the law. Pistol Annie’s Jewelry and Pawn of nearby Bonney Lake, Washington has stepped in to run the background checks for free. They normally charge $40 per background check.

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-Attorney Alan Gura represented four gun owners in the Palmer v. District of Columbia case started in 2009.  This week, Gura argued that the District has not lived up to the court ordered obligations.  Yes, the district passed new laws that allow for concealed carry, but at the same time, the District made it impossible for the original plaintiffs to obtain gun-carry permits. Quote, “There is no way in the world my clients can obtain a license to carry a gun.” close quote.

Judge Scullin asked the lawyers for the District to show him statistics demonstrating that restricting gun-carry to people who have demonstrated a special need has enhanced public safety.  Assistant Attorney General Andrew Saindon said he did not have any such statistics.

Judge Scullin then asked the city and the plaintiffs for additional filings on whether the city should be considered in contempt.

-US District Ct Judge Anthony Ishii denied the request by California Attorney General Kamala Harris for an extended stay in the case Sylvester v. Harris. This case involves the 10-day waiting period for firearm purchases in California and its application to certain gun owners who have either Certificates of Eligibility or California carry permits. Judge Ishii had previously ruled this violates the Second Amendment. Harris had tried to argue that other projects had higher priority than fixing the Bureau of Firearms database. Judge Ishii didn’t take kindly to this and said, “The Court does not know how Defendant or the BOF prioritizes projects, but dealing with an unconstitutional law should be towards the top of the list.”

-We reported on the recent change in Pennsylvania law that allows gun owners to sue, and more importantly to collect monetary damages from, cities who violate the Pennsylvania firearms preemption law.  The Norristown Pennsylvania city council just repealed a four-year-old law that required residents to report lost or stolen guns within 48 hours. Norristown police Chief Mark Talbot said the revocation would not have an impact on public safety.  He said a felon making a straw purchase was “unlikely to refrain from doing it because of a local law.”

Several Pennsylvania towns have done the same thing and repealed their gun restrictions.

-Jay Leno was supposed to be the featured entertainment at the NSSF’s State of the Industry dinner. That was before the anti-gun forces including Everytown Moms, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, and the Newtown Action Alliance got involved. Under pressure from these groups he unilaterally cancelled his appearance. Leno’s people tried to claim that he was under the false impression it was a “sportsman’s show” and not “a pro-gun lobby show”. Moreover, they said he hadn’t received any money. That was a lie as the NSSF had already wired Leno over $80,000 as a deposit.

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John- This quote was sent in by Ken who lives in the free state of Arizona.  News commentator Edward R. Murrow said: “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 3 Interview

With Brandon Combs of the Firearms Policy Coalition

Segment 4 DGUs

Welcome back to the polite society podcast powered by Firearms Policy Coalition.

-A Lakewood, Washington couple in their 60s was attacked by three armed home invaders.   The robbers forced their way in as the husband answered the door. The couple was beaten, and tied up.  The thugs ransacked the house looking for valuables. The couple was able to free themselves when the robbers left them unguarded for a moment.  They retreated to their bedroom, locked the door, and retrieved a firearm. A pair of the home invaders tried to force their way into the bedroom and one of the robbers was shot and killed. Taijon Voorhees, 19, was found dead after being dumped by the others. Police arrested ninteen year old Duprea Wilson, and a 17 year old.  Both face 12 felony charges including 2nd Deg murder.

-A robber in Calumet City, Illinois thought a fake gun would do the trick when he threatened the owner of Cal City Bakery on Tuesday. The owner, however, was armed with a real handgun and shot the robber seven times.  Calumet City Police Chief Edward Gilmore said the bakery owner had a valid FOID card and no charges would be brought. Quote “..it seems the owner did everything the right way. He was in fear of his life and acted in a prudent manner to save his life and the life of his employee, based on the facts he knew at the time.”  close quote.

-Two thugs tried to rob an Eastside Indianapolis tire store on Thursday. They approached the store owner and his girlfriend and demanded money. That is when the girlfriend pulled her pistol and engaged the robbers. She received a wound to her neck while one of the robbers also was shot. Both were taken to the hospital.

-When Ronnie Green, 74, of Rosedale, CA  heard his female neighbor scream Friday evening, he armed himself and went to help. He came across Greg Miller, 51, who had been stalking the woman. Miller threatened Mr. Green with a knife and then kicked the elderly man in the chest. Mr. Green then shot the stalker in the foot. Kern County Sheriff’s deputies found Miller after he crashed his car. Miller was jailed after being treated for his gunshot wound. He was charged with stalking, elder abuse, battery, and making criminal threats. Green faces no charges for his self-defense shooting.

-A man came into the South Main Internet Café in Salisbury, North Carolina armed with a gun. He ordered everyone to get on the ground.  He then pointed the handgun in the teller’s face and demanded money from the till. The female teller dropped the money tray onto the ground and had to bend down to get the cash and stack it on the counter.  The robber put his gun on the counter while attempting to stuff the cash in his clothing.  That is when the female teller grabbed the robber’s gun, pointed it at him and fired.  She missed.  The man ran off and has not been found.  More than a half dozen people were inside the café when the attempted armed robbery happened.  No one was hurt.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

An interesting email from Ken in Arizona.

Paul, again, I apologize for hogging your email, but I keep having thoughts. Here’s my latest one:

Are we, as 2nd Amendment supporters, insane. Are they, as gun-grabbers, insane. You know how they say insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. We keep fighting to restore and preserve the 2nd Amendment, but the forces against us continue, and seem to be gaining strength in a perpetual tug-of-war.

Is it time we realize this fight will continue forever? Is it time we realize there are just some factions in this Nation who will never accept our civil rights, will never accept the 2nd Amendment, and will fight as long as we fight? A never-ending battle. I do have a solution.

Is it time we accept the reality that we have Free States and Slave States? A house divided against itself cannot stand. Perhaps we should not repeat the First Civil War, and rather than enter into a Second Civil War, we should just accept the reality and break into 2 separate Countries? The philosophies of the Liberal/Progressives are so vastly different from ours, I doubt that there can ever be, or will ever be, a reconciliation.

We in the Free States already have the Constitution that we like. It’s the Slave States that don’t like the Constitution and are trying to destroy it. Therefore, we shouldn’t secede. We should kick them out. But, however the break occurs, we are already of 2 separate minds, can’t get along, constantly struggle, and are driving ourselves crazy with a costly fight that never ends.

I know there have been proposals before, and I raise them yet again. Am I completely wrong to suggest it? Or, has the time come?

Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ
PS If we do break apart, any bets as to which Nation is successful and which fails?

John, do you have anything from your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you want to mention?

-John – I did a post on Jay Leno’s wimping out of the SHOT Show. I noted it was more than just an aging comedian cancelling out. It was another coordinated attack on the gun culture to make it an anathema. We to continue growing the grassroots and take people shooting.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Brandon Combs for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 286 – Jeff Knox and Carl Chinn

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, November 19, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we’ll have interviews with Jeff Knox and Carl Chinn.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about background check statistics from Oregon, so climb aboard.
Rob, strap in
Rachel and hang on!  Episode 286 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I went to a county gun chapter meeting for Gun Owners of California last night.  That was here in San Diego, County.  Rachel, I talked about you.  I want my worst to be good enough.  I had a TV interview about California concealed carry.  That was an hour ago.  Does that count?  I’m getting a group of friends together to shoot Saturday.

John-My news is boring. I’ve been busy with work so haven’t been able to do any gun-related stuff. That and it is frigid cold here in North Carolina. It was 14 deg. here this morning.

Rachel- In spite of the cold weather, I truly enjoyed the Battle Road pistol course that my friends Mark and Mike taught for my group of friends. Seven of us spent two days at the Battle Road range training together, and it was time well spent. It’s been too long since I actually attended a full pistol course, and it was very good to devote concentrated time to personal improvement.

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The 16 gun stores in Los Angeles would be required to digitally report ammunition sale records to the city under a proposed ordinance backed Friday by the Los Angeles City Council’s Public Safety Committee.  The rationale behind the ordinance is that it takes police too long to have to comb through the paper records that are now required. LAPD says it has completed a pilot electronic reporting program at gun shops in the San Fernando Valley, and are ready to take the system citywide.   If approved by the full City Council, the measure would make it a misdemeanor crime when ammunition retailers fail to comply with the reporting requirements.  http://mynewsla.com/government/2014/11/14/proposed-ordinance-says-gun-stores-digitally-required-report-sales/

-We now have the statistics from the Oregon State Police.  They released the data on their background check system for firearms.  You can see for yourself that the public isn’t safer after this monumental effort. The state police processed 19,901 background checks in October.

Not one of them was arrested because they were a felon or otherwise prohibited from buying a firearm. Five were arrested, but we don’t know why. Eight people were denied for reasons of “mental health” but, as we have seen in the past, sometimes the police have no idea why these people have mental health holds. None of the eight were taken into custody.  Not a one.

36 of the denials resulted in “Investigation Complete, No Action.” So almost 20% of the denials were clearly against people who should not have been denied in the first place.

196 sales were “denied.” Remember, these are the background checks that the anti-rights groups claim will save us from all evil.

http://www.oregonfirearms.org/numbers-another-embarrassment

-Continuing on with Oregon, it appears that Gov. John Kitzhaber and the Democratic majority in the Oregon House and Senate are going to make another run at universal background checks.  Sen. Ginny Burdick (D-Portland) says that “We have a working majority for background checks.” Currently, Oregon requires background checks for sales by a gun dealer or at a gun show. It is unclear if the as of yet unwritten legislation will just cover sales or will include transfers. The effort for background checks fell short in the last session of the Oregon legislature.

-I’m sorry, but the stupid runs deep.. in England.  The Lancashire Constabulary is promoting the ‘Save a Life, Surrender Your Knife’ campaign.  Lancashire officers have now given their backing to a national initiative designed to raise awareness of knife crime and encourage the surrender of dangerous weapons.  http://www.lancashire.police.uk/about-us/news/save-a-life–surrender-your-knife

-The ten worst anti-knife cities stand out for their outright persecution of honest knife owners and extraordinarily restrictive anti-knife ordinances, far more severe than even the state laws in those areas. All too often this results in unwary citizens being subject to arrest and prosecution, and loss of their knives, for having a knife that is perfectly legal elsewhere in the state.

  1.    New York, NY (majority of pocketknives will result in arrest, aggressive persecution of

knife owners, over 60,000 to date)

  1.    Philadelphia, PA (all knives are illegal to carry except when actually in use on the job)
  2.    Ocean City, MD (many common pocketknives are illegal, Catch 22 traps many citizens)
  3.    San Antonio, TX (all locking-blade pocketknives knives are illegal to carry except on the job)
  4.    Rocky River, OH (2.5-inch blade limit)
  5.    Boston, MA (2.5-inch blade carry limit, including in any vehicle)
  6.    Cleveland, OH (2.5-inch blade carry limit, registration of any sale or gift of a longer bladed knife)
  7.    Chicago, IL  (2.5-inch blade concealed carry limit, 2-inch blade limit for 18 and under, but

minor cannot legally obtain any knife)

  1.    Corpus Christi, TX (illegal to carry any fixed blade knife or a folder with a blade longer than

3-inches except when actually in use on the job)

  1.   Aspen, CO (Any concealed knife is illegal to carry in public)

More details on each of the 10 worst cities’ knife restrictions can be found at: www.KnifeRights.org/10WorstBest2014

-Continuing on with stupid, the fallout from Washington State’s I-594 continues. The Lynden Pioneer Museum of Bellingham is returning 11 World War 2 era rifles to their owners because they would be in violation of the new law if they hadn’t performed background checks on the transfer. The firearms were part of the museum’s display entitled, “Over the Beach – The WWII Pacific Theater.”

– We discussed the layoffs at the Remington Arms factory in Ilion, New York last week. The New York Daily News is reporting that Remington CEO George Kollitides told New York officials in a recent letter that one of the major reasons that they expanded in Huntsville, Alabama was because of “state policies affecting use of our product.” – in other words, because of the New York SAFE Act which forbids the sales of AR-15s made at the Ilion plant in New York State. The Cuomo administration denies the SAFE Act had any impact saying that Remington is consolidating operations from around the country in Alabama.

-This is a story of what not to do. Colorado Springs police responded to a 9-1-1 call reporting shots fired in a home. They arrived to find three people in the basement of the house. Two were taking turns shooting at glass bottles while the third watched. Christian Clark, 28, and Codie Leslie, 23 were arrested and charged with prohibited use of weapons and reckless endangerment. Police say they had also been drinking.

John – comment – I always thought a basement shooting range would be the coolest thing to have in a house but I wouldn’t be drinking and shooting glass bottles if I had one!

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-Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper said he’s willing to talk about the possibility of teachers carrying guns in Colorado schools. “I’m certainly open to that discussion,” he said during an interview with CBS4. “The ability of people to defend themselves in a world that increasingly looks chaotic (is important). There is not a parent in this state that doesn’t want to make sure we’re doing everything possible to make their kid safe.” This is somewhat surprising given the amount of money he has taken from Bloomberg to sign gun-control laws in 2013 that limited the capacity of magazines and expanded background checks for firearm purchases. Those two pieces of legislation – and the fallout from them – almost cost Hickenlooper his re-election.

-We had John Pierce on to talk about the new constitutional amendment in Alabama.  Here is a related story out of Louisiana.  Brandon LeBlanc is a human rights advocate and I salute him.  Brandon is taking aim at the Abbeville, Louisiana ordinance that forbids carrying any weapon.  In particular, Mr. DeBlanc is fighting Abbeville’s anti-gun ordinance.

Because Louisiana is an open carry state and has strict scrutiny review of self-defense, Brandon open carries and started a petition protesting the city’s ordinance.  Since then, he has gone to the mayor’s office to try to get the issue on the city council’s agenda.  “The response was, it’s going to take more than once person’s demand for it to removed for us to anything about it,” LeBlanc said.

Typically someone has to be arrested before the law will change.  If it does go to court because they want to make a test case, then they would claim that they are, that it’s protected behavior under the Louisiana Constitution, and they would very likely win and, at that point, they would strike down that law.”

http://www.katc.com/news/carrying-a-gun-is-illegal-in-some-acadiana-cities/

-A lawsuit was filed Friday in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania against Attorney General Eric Holder and BATFE Director B. Todd Jones seeking to invalidate the Hughes Amendment. The Hughes Amendment ban the transfer or possession of any machine gun made after May 1986.  Ryan  Watson and the Watson Family Gun Trust are seeking the injunction. A similar action in Texas was filed on October 30 in the case of Hollis v. Holder. This latest action differs from the first in that Watson is subject to an actual taking resulting from actions performed under authorization of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.. Mr. Watson had sought and received permission to manufacture a machine gun on behalf of the trust. They later rescinded the approval and ordered him to surrender the machine gun.

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Segment 3 Interviews

We think of religious centers as being above our daily problems.  We see them as spiritual sanctuary and a place of peace.  Carl, is that accurate?

What sort of problems to churches, synagogues, mosques and temples see?
Churches vary enormously.  They may only gather a few families on Sunday, or have thousands of people on campus every day.
Focus on the Family
New Life Church in Colorado Springs
Deadly force events in churches are the rule, not the exception.
Any Questions, you guys?
The first mass murder in a church was in 1963.  There have been 11 since.
When do pastors recognize the need for physical security?  How could a pastor manage the security for a small community like that?
Insurance companies help the churches form their security solutions.  Chuck Chadwick has lots of experience.  So does Bob Clamser- Crisis consulting international.  Dave Grossman.
What sort of events does church security have to handle?
Missionaries often leave vulnerable areas.  Missionaries forget the difficulty of working in remote areas.
What was your experience at New Life?
We don’t hear about violence in church very often.  How common is that?  (your historical data)
How has the religious community learned from your experience? (your book and classes)
Who is leading the religious security movement?  (Names, websites, courses)
Is that where we should send our pastor for more information?  Brotherhood Mutual Insurance has some free information!
Where can people find out more?
What are your next classes/books/seminars?
Close, thank you, and mention your website again.  http://www.carlchinn.com/Home_Page.html
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Jeff Knox – http://www.burr.senate.gov/public/

Background checks cover the population of new York city, 15-20 million people each year, in order to apprehend 15 to 20 people per year.  We are wasting our effort and ignoring good police methods.
http://www.wnd.com/author/jknox/

Segment 4 DGUs
-A husband and wife returned home Friday night in Hartford, Alabama.  A group of armed men approached the couple and attempted to rob them.  The husband was a licensed concealed carry holder.  He feared for his safety and the safety of his wife.  He shot one of the robbers in the face.  The others fled.  The police chief said she did not expect to file charges against the couple. http://bearingarms.com/picking-wrong-target-concealed-carrier-puts-bullet-armed-robbers-nose/

Note that the numerically larger group would presumably have been able to do whatever they wanted to the couple if the husband had not been armed.

-An armed customer in an Indianapolis pawn shop shot and killed an armed robber on Tuesday. The robber first brandished his firearm and then engaged in a gun battle with the customer. Indianapolis Metro Police identified the robber as Tyerre Allen, 25, who had recently been released from incarceration in an Indiana State Prison for – wait for it – robbery. Allen is also a suspect in other robberies in the Indianapolis area. Police have refused to identify the customer who is reportedly traumatized by the whole incident and fears retaliation. Police will be presenting the evidence to the local prosecutor’s office.

-A Cleveland, Ohio homeowner confronted a burglar in his home near midday on Tuesday. The homeowner ended up shooting the burglar in the ear and the back. The burglar is in stable condition at MetroHealth Medical Center. While police confiscated the homeowner’s firearm as evidence, they have not charged him with any crime.

-Jessica Hopper, 32, of Garvin County, Oklahoma had been arrested last week in the shooting death of her boyfriend Felix “Hammer”  Williams. Police had found him dead of a gunshot wound when they arrived on the scene. However, Ms. Hopper was cleared after police investigators listened to the open line 9-1-1 call which corroborated her story of self-defense. Ms. Hopper had called police due to a domestic argument. Williams then threatened her with a gun for calling police. When he put the gun down in another room, she picked it up so he couldn’t use it on her. This enraged Williams who started hitting Ms. Hopper whereupon she fatally shot him.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

This is an e-mail from John in Texas.

I have been thinking about the dilemma of what happened in Washington (state) and what’s on tap for Nevada. I was listening to John Lott on Armed American Radio tonight. Dr Lott is calling the money it will take to go through a FFL to do a firearms transfer a tax. We need to equate these transfer taxes to poll taxes. There may be a legal challenge to these transfer laws on that basis alone.

Also the public was duped by false information in their statements and advertisements. Could we pass laws in state legislatures punishing false ads by making the misleader pay for equal advertising time to allow for the record to be corrected. It would also put a restraining order against a law that passes under false pretenses. The state Supreme Court would have jurisdiction over any claims.

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Rachel- John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did a short post this morning about changes in carry law in, of all places, Russia. Believe it or not, but Russia has better carry laws than New York, New Jersey, Maryland, and probably most of California. They  just amended their laws to include “self-defense” as a valid reason to carry licensed weapons. Politicians in the US should be ashamed that Russians have more rights to carry than many Americans..

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 285 – Joe Chetwood and George Hill

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Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday the 16th of November 2014, I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we note with sadness the passing of Anita Ingrao.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a Michigan home invader found that crime can be deadly.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we will talk to Joe Chetwood for the ask the gun doc segment
Gary H: I’m Gary Harpster Cooking and Food Packaging for Preppers.
Gary D: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 285 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Paul – Truck drivers and grades. Thank you to Greg in Bremerton for making me aware of a YouTube video, although I need some of Gary’s blood pressure medicine now.
John – I did some more practice with my SIRT pistol and took some of Rob’s suggestions. Other than that, just work, blogging, and family stuff.
Rob- Lots of overtime at work.  A little dry practice at home.  I need to order some new gun parts.
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2:50
-It is with sadness that we report the passing  of Anita Ingrao on Thursday from breast cancer. Anita was a producer, along with her fiancee Kris Koenig, of the 2nd Amendment documentary film “Assaulted: Civil Rights Under Fire.”  The  memorial service will be held for her on Monday in Chico, California.  We knew Anita from her work in the right of self-defense.  She also loved the stars.  She and Kris produced a film “400 Years of the Telescope”, and together, they ran observatories.  Contributions are suggested in lieu of flowers to the Anita Ingrao Memorial Fund at the North Valley Community Foundation to benefit the Chico Community Observatory.  www.nvcf.org

-The Colorado Parks and Wildlife Commission turned down a proposal to ban lead-based ammunition. By a 5-1 vote, the Commission members rejected a petition presented by Paula Brown.  Brown is a part-time raptor rehabilitator.  She collected the signatures of 53 residents and four letters of support calling for the prohibition.  There is no science that links lead ammunition with environmental lead poisoning in either animals or humans.

-What if they passed a gun law, and nobody obeyed it?  Washington gun owners plan a rally to defy the newly passed initiative 594.  The new law makes it illegal to hand a gun to a friend.  They are hoping for 5500 gun owners to break the law.. peacefully.  The civil disobedience protest is scheduled for December 13 at the capitol in Olympia, Washington.  Spokesmen for the Washington State police said the protesters would not be charged with violating I594, but asked them to stay safe and follow the firearms safety rules.

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-Colt Defense is reported to be in severe financial trouble. A $10.9 million interest payment is due on Monday may be missed. If they still can’t pay the interest due by mid-December they will be in default on their $248 million bond. Bond holders could then demand immediate payment of the total debt.  According to filings with the SEC, they are blaming their “liquidity problem” on a decline in demand for the Modern Sporting Rifles and handguns. Colt Defense is the parent company of Colt’s Manufacturing Company and Colt Canada.

-Captain Jack McCauley had a good career in the Maryland State Police.  He was often promoted and moved to demanding positions.  Then something changed for Jack.  I think he lost his faith in Maryland law enforcement.  According to his affidavit from this spring’s court case, McCauley was asked a question while testifying before the Maryland House.  During testimony in the State House Judiciary subcommittee, McCauley was asked to testify if the newly enacted firearms ban would reduce crime in Maryland.   Quote “As I began to respond, I was commanded by Shanetta Paskel, the Deputy Legislative Officer for the Office of Governor Martin O’Malley, not to answer the delegate’s question.”  The trooper said he acquiesced to her request because he believed she was his superior in the administration.  Had he been allowed to answer, he would have told the delegate that the banned firearms are almost never used in crimes, that the anti-rights laws would have no effect on mass shootings since stricter mental health protections were far more effective.  Now he says “My goal is to educate the public, because the mainstream media and the governor’s office are intentionally lying to people,”

After the hearing, Ms. Paskel explained why she ordered McCauley not to answer.  The testimony “was not about policy; it is just [about] votes.”

-There is more news about Maryland assault on civilian long guns.  21 State Attorneys General filed an amicus brief opposing Maryland’s gun ban.  The brief was filed in the U.S. Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in the case of Kolbe v. O’Malley.  The States Attorneys said Maryland’s Firearm Safety Act violates citizens’ rights to keep and bear arms by imposing a ban on the possession of commonly-used weapons.  They also said Maryland law must be subject to strict scrutiny because its restrictions extend to possession of a protected weapon by a law-abiding citizen for self-defense in the home.

-The Ohio Senate had hearings this week on several bills to change the state’s gun laws.  One bill provides legal protections for residents defending themselves during violent attacks.

It would rescind Ohio’s law which requires a person to retreat before using deadly force in self-defense.  The bill’s sponsor said, Quote “The bill would allow a lawful carrier of a firearm to defend themselves so long as the person is assaulted in a place where he or she has the right to be. A person facing a life threatening situation should not have a duty to flee and hope for the best; they should have the right to protect themselves and protect their loved ones.”  The bill would also reduce the mandatory safety training from 12 hours down to four hours to get a concealed carry license.  It allows people serving in the military to retain their concealed carry licenses and accommodate out-of-state firearms purchases.  It also requires Ohio to recognize concealed handgun licenses issued by states that recognize Ohio’s license holders.

-Anti-rights politicians are off the chain in Missouri.  State House Democrats introduced an anti-gun bill which would turn gun owners into criminals by banning semi-automatic firearms.  Quote, “Any person who was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine shall have ninety days from such effective date to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution:
(1) Remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from the state of Missouri;
(2) Render the assault weapon permanently inoperable; or
(3) Surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the appropriate law enforcement agency for destruction, subject to specific agency regulations.
Unlawful manufacture, import, possession, purchase, sale, or transfer of an assault weapon or a large capacity magazine is a class C felony.
This is forced civilian disarmament.

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-Elections have consequences.  After this last election, the NRA publicly said there is “absolutely no scenario” in which they would endorse Senate majority leader Harry Reid in 2016.  The NRA refused to endorse Reid in 2010.  Reid’s push for gun control since his last election has made endorsement impossible.  Quote “Given his actions, votes, and full-throated support of the Obama-Bloomberg gun control agenda, there is absolutely no scenario where the NRA would endorse Senator Reid.”  Nevada firearms owners supported Reid’s opponent, Sharron Angle, in 2010, but the NRA never got onboard.  Some insiders felt the NRA favored Senator Reid in order to keep Chuck Schumer from replacing him as Majority Leader in the Senate.

-Maybe this is news about news, but Jeff Knox posted an article at World Net Daily.  Jeff talks about injured veterans being denied their right to own a gun because of their injuries.  I don’t mean one or two veterans.  More than 100,000 vets lost their second amendment rights because of their VA classification.  Jeff noticed that US Representative Gabby Giffords has not been forcibly disarmed after her traumatic brain injury.  There are clearly two sets of rules at play.  One set of rules is for the politically favored and another set of rules is for the people who have to pay their own legal bills.  We’ll have Jeff on the Wednesday show to talk about his article.

-Jeff Knox is from Arizona, and so is this next story.  We covered the brutal murder of a real estate agent in Arkansas.  The agent was targeted because she was a woman who often worked alone.  That prompted many real estate agents to apply for their carry licence.  This particular group of Keller Williams agents consists mostly of women, and they spent a day at the range rather than opening front doors and talking about closet space.  Jenny McCall sells houses in Tempe, Arizona.  “This particular house is vacant which would be something that somebody who wanted to hurt somebody would definitely look for.”  The more expensive, vacant homes in particular can attract criminals.  The agents try and double up for some calls, but that’s not always possible.  Now they carry concealed and spend a day at the range to brush up on their skills.

Quote, “Because we deal with such a wide variety of real estate from the high-end stuff.. all the way down to the very lowest of low..  we never know what we’re walking into,” said Kevin Craig. Some ranges in Tempe now offer monthly self-defense courses for realtors.

-A gun owner is suing the Atlanta Botanical Gardens after he was escorted off the property because he was openly carrying a permitted gun. Phillip Evans and GeorgiaCarry are bringing the lawsuit.  The Botanical Gardens allow “no weapons except as permitted by law.”  Since open carry by licensed firearms owners is legal in Georgia, Evans visited the gardens while armed.  Evans wasn’t questioned about his holstered firearm in October.  Evans came back to the gardens a week later with his wife and two children, again openly wearing his gun in a holster.  This time the management of the Botanical Gardens told him he could not have his gun with him. The police were called and Evans was escorted to his car.  The Botanical Gardens is a private organization and it operates on 30 acres it leases from the city of Atlanta.  The private organization can not deny citizens the right to tools of self-defense on the public property they use.

-Sometimes it takes a lawsuit to make the police follow the law.  A legal resident tried to get a carry permit in Boston.  The police told him he must provide either a US birth certificate or naturalization papers.  Phuong Ngo, and the group Commonwealth Second Amendment, sued the Boston police department.  The city folded.  Now the Boston Police accept passports from legal residents as documentation in the concealed carry application process. Thank you Mr. Ngo and Commonwealth Second Amendment.

-We love it when a police department promotes real firearms safety.  The Caddo Parish Sheriff’s Office, in Louisiana made us smile.  Registration is open for their “first gun” class intended for children from 8 to 12 years of age.  The four-hour class is offered in early December and early January.  The course provides basic instruction for children who may never have fired a gun but want to be able to use one safely. It’s also recommended for kids who will receive a new BB gun, shotgun, or hunting rifle for Christmas.  The Sheriff’s training academy will provide firearms if the children don’t have any.  Children are welcome to bring their own firearms like BB guns, pellet guns, .22 rifles, and small caliber shotguns, but not high-powered rifles.  BBs and 22 ammunition will be supplied.  All children will shoot at both fixed targets and skeet.  The class is free.

-A North Carolina gun shop ran an ad on Facebook.  The advertisement read-  “Shop Online and choose from the area’s largest selection of safes and vaults… on sale now through November 15!”   The ad was taken down by Facebook almost immediately.  Facebook said ads cannot indirectly link back to pages where guns can be purchased.  “The decision is final. Please consider this the end of our correspondence about your ad.”

-The Canadian Supreme Court ruled last week that airguns are to be considered firearms for all purposes in the Canadian criminal code except for registration and licensing. Thus, airguns will be subject to the same criminal code provisions dealing with careless storage of firearms. Moreover, provisions dealing with concealed firearms will now apply to airguns. This means if you put your airgun in a pocket or backpack you will be violating the law. Canada’s National Firearms Association says they will be seeking a legislative remedy to the problems caused by this ruling.

-The opposite is happening in Michigan.  Michigan lawmakers passed legislation loosening regulations on BB and pellet guns.  The legislation excludes guns that propel a projectile by gas, spring or air from Michigan’s firearm regulations.  Another bill would repeal a law making it a misdemeanor for a minor to possess a BB gun unless accompanied by an adult. The Michigan Senate passed a bill to prohibit local governments from regulating ownership of paintball and BB guns.  Municipalities could limit their use to authorized locations or on private property.

-You might remember our story about a one room school house in Colorado that raffled off a rifle to raise money for new playground equipment.  The library in Breckenridge, Texas is raffling off a limited edition rifle to raise money.  Tickets for the rifle can be obtained at the library for a $5 donation or five tickets for a $20 donation.  They want more computers for the library. The rifle was made by the Bold Ideas facility, located in Breckenridge.  The drawing for the winner is scheduled for noon on Monday, Dec. 1.

-Speaking of books, the Christmas season is coming.  We interviewed authors Brian Aitken and Jae Wells, so please remember them if you give books this Christmas.  We use information provided by author Stephen Wenger in every podcast.  We recommend his book, Defensive Use of Firearms. A great gift for any shooter is The Cornered Cat: A Womans Guide to Concealed Carry  By frequent guest Kathy Jackson. The links are in our show notes.

Gun Quotes
One of our regular email contributors Ken from Arizona sent in our gun quote, it comes from Winston Churchill

“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

George Hill and Joe Chetwood
Joe, the gun doc
Can I re-bore my 22 without customized and expensive machine tools?
No.

Why won’t my Mosin extract a fired case?
The chamber ID is either fouled or pitted.  If cleaning doesn’t work, then hang up the gun or rebarrel it.

Rust?
Steelwool!

Where can I find parts for my Savage 99?
Numrich. and use the web.

Does Mosberg make a long rifled barrel for their 12 Ga?
Ask them.

Taurus won’t cock the trigger every time.
Could be many things.  If cleaning doesn’t work, then bring it to a gunsmith.  Try Tetragon-action blaster to clean the action.

Segment 4 DGUs
-A man broke into an indianapolis house at 2 in the morning.  The house had been broken into a day earlier, but this time the owner was home.. and the homeowner was armed.  Homeowner Howard Murphy shot 39 year old Kocho Long when the intruder moved to attack him.  Long was shot in the leg and caught by police a block away.  Long was transported to  Eskenazi Hospital and remains in stable condition.

-A Milwaukee woman was attacked in the afternoon and only a few blocks from a local police station.  Even though the police were nearby, they were still too far away to help her.  She helped herself.  A robber approached the 36 year old woman and demanded her purse and valuables.  The robber drew a gun, and so did the intended victim.  She fired several times, but apparently missed.  The police were looking for the man who ran from the crime scene.

-Menominee County in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan was the scene of a home invasion on Monday. At 5am, as three young men broke in by a garage door, the 62-yo homeowner called 9-1-1. As the home invaders came in the house, the homeowner fired multiple times at them. Hayden Gagnon, 19, died at the scene. Police found his compatriots, Thomas Hartman and Matthew Franjose, after a search of the nearby woods. They both have been charged with 1st degree home invasion. The Menominee Co Sheriff said “the homeowner defended himself and his home”. While no charges are pending against the homeowner, the local DA says he plans to review the case to make sure the shooting was justified.

-You remember when the Bloomberg group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America said you don’t need a gun to go shopping.  Well, sometimes you do.  Daniel McHugh is 48 years old.  He had just walked out of a Kroger supermarket in Atlanta Georgia and got into his car.  That is when two men opened the driver side door and shot him.  Bystanders put pressure on the gunshot wound to his stomach by the time police and medical personnel arrived.  Now McHugh is fighting for his life at Grady Memorial Hospital.  He remains in critical condition.

Criminals break the law for a living.  Criminals do not obey gun laws, just as, in this case,  they refuse to obey laws against armed robbery, car theft, possession of a stolen handgun, and attempted murder.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about texas gun laws.  Texas denies the right of self-defense in many hospitals and churches.  They also treat some gun owners as guilty until proven innocent.  I want Texas to do better, and you know how texans get if you say Texas isn’t perfect.. yet.

Rob- John do you want to mention anything off of your blog No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money?

I did a couple of posts this week on Washington State’s I-594 and what to expect next. The first post dealt with the ultimate intentions of Bloomberg and his ilk. A post from Reddit makes the argument with which I agree that it is to kill the gun culture. My second post looked at the factors that made Washington State and now Nevada targets for universal background check initiatives. I ranked the states by those factors. The other states to keep an eye on are Arizona and Oregon thanks to the number of in-migrants from California.

Gary- NRA founded Tomorrow November 17, 1871
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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