Episode 264 – Andrew Rothman and Brandon Combs

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I have to apologize to our listeners. I fully intended to be on the weekend show but Charter internet went down in our area of NC. As to firearm news, I’m still waiting for my SIRT pistol. I got an email yesterday saying it was finally shipping.

Rob- Dry practice.  Plan to buy a bunch of ammunition.

Rachel- First official week of homeschool.

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John -In our last episode we reported on the shocking news that some of the mainstream media made an honest report on women in the shooting sports.  Well it happened again.  This report is from a different mainstream media outlet, and it details the tensions between law enforcement and gun control.  The network reported on both the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association and on Oathkeepers.  The article cited examples of law enforcement officers refusing to impose unjust gun laws on citizens.  They gave examples where Constitutional Sheriffs stood between their citizens and federal agents who violate the Constitution.  Yes, the article was biased toward statism, but not as much as usual.  It was on NBC news.

Rob Comment- Should we buy a lottery ticket since we are so lucky?

Rob- Radly Balko, who has long studied the misuse of SWAT teams and the militarization of the police, turned his reporter’s eye to the Shaneen Allen case for the Washington Post. He found that African-Americans like Ms. Allen are disproportionately arrested for “gun crimes” at both the local level and at the federal level. He notes that most of this can be boiled down to professional discretion as is the case of Ms. Allen. Many “gun crime” prosecutions are add-ons to other crimes such as robbery and assault. Others, like Ms. Allen, are the result of a victimless crime. He concludes, “But when enforcing victimless crimes, police and prosecutorial discretion can quickly become a tool of injustice, even of systematic oppression. Unless the laws like those in New Jersey are changed, people like Brian Aitken and Shaneen Allen will continue to be wholly at the mercy and discretion of police, prosecutors and governors- and thus subject to all the biases and prejudices of the people who hold those positions.”

Rachel- Marc Rabinoff is a retired professor of human and sports performance. He grew up in New York City and then spent over 30 years in a liberal college environment at Metro State College in Denver. He was only really introduced to firearms 2 years ago when he took a firearms training class to help get over his fear of guns. He liked it. He took more classes and has bought a number of guns including now an AR-15. Having taught for over 30 years, he has now come to the conclusion that educators, after training, should be allowed to carry concealed on campus. He attributes his change to two things: his recent firearms training AND the fact that his son started Columbine High School the year after the mass murders. He says, “if I had to confront a gunman in a classroom, I’d like to be able to do more than hide under chairs or tables and helplessly watch my students being murdered. I’d like to have the option to use the intense training I have undergone and the resulting skills I’ve amassed to save lives.” It has become clear to Dr. Rabinoff that trained teachers could possibly prevent the next tragedy from occurring.

Rob – California had a mandatory waiting 10 day waiting period between when a firearm is purchased and the buyer can take possession of the firearm.  A Federal district court ruled the mandatory waiting period is unconstitutional because it violates the second amendment.  There is why that is fascinating.  *A previous law ruled that some firearms are unusual because fewer than 1 percent of the population had them.  In this case, the judge considered the law unusual because only a handful of states have mandatory waiting periods.  *A previous law ruled that the state must disarm california residents if they exhibit a mental or physical condition making them ineligible to own firearms.  Therefore, if the citizen already has a legally registered firearm or CCW permit, then the state knows he is an eligible gun owner.  The 10 day waiting period may not be applied to all eligible gun owners since that broad restriction is not narrowly tailored to the states interests.  Background checks are sufficient.

John Comment- I wonder if California will now delay the background checks so they take 10 days.

Rachel- An ordinance in Baton Rouge, Louisiana prohibited residents from keeping firearms in their parked cars while they’re inside establishments that sell alcohol.  A Federal Judge ruled that ordinance is unconstitutional and can no longer be enforced.  Ernest Taylor, of Baton Rouge, challenged the ordinance in federal district court last September after he was charged with having rifles in his car and parking in a parking lot at an establishment where alcohol was sold. The Baton Rouge police confiscated Taylor’s rifles.  Judge Brian Jackson said the city ordinance clearly forbids the possession of firearms in any parking lot of an establishment that sells alcohol.  The judge said, “Similarly, the ordinance prohibits law-abiding citizens from purchasing and possessing firearms at any establishment that sells alcohol, thereby rendering the sale of firearms at establishments like Wal-Mart a criminal act.”  The judge scheduled a hearing on October 23nd to determine the monetary damages owed to Mister Taylor.

John – Can you imagine going to the grocery store and having to leave your gun at home because of some arcane local regulation? And this in a state that has drive-thru Daiquiri shops!

Rob- Bars sell alcohol.  So does the pharmacy and every grocery store.

Rachel- You know that Governor Rick Perry sent the Texas National Guard to secure the Mexican Border. Breitbart Texas reported that soldiers would not be allowed to carry personal weapons for self-defense while off-duty.  They are considered “on duty” 24/7, but not allowed to carry their service weapon when out of uniform.  A few days after the news article appeared, the policy was changed and the Texas Guardsmen would be allowed to carry concealed weapons while off duty as long as they were properly licensed.  That leaves the small issue of how the soldiers would be able to transport their personal weapons from their home base to the border region.  You see, personal weapons are not allowed on post, nor in military transport vehicles.

Rob Comment-  There is stupid.. and there is military grade stupid..

Rachel- A- Yep.  When you absolutely, positively need stupid.. we know who to call.

Rob- I’ve met economist Thomas Sowell and Doctor Sowell both thinks clearly and calls others out for the bad ideas.  This time he focused his scorn on the gun grabbers and he mocks their poor rhetoric when they say guns are dangerous.  According to the gun grabbers, guns cause crime, and more guns cause more crime.  Armed guards also must cause more armed attacks because US presidents with armed guards are shot at a rate far higher than unarmed civilians.  Using the logic of the gun grabbers, both celebrities like Rosie O’donnell and President Barack Obama would be safer if we left them unguarded.

Quoting Sowell, “These talking points are often based on a prevailing social vision, rather than on hard facts..  Factual evidence cannot make a dent in that vision.”

John- We have some political news from Massachusetts. The two Democratic candidates for attorney general are trying to outdo each other.  One candidate, Warren Tolman, said he would require finger-print safety technology on all new handguns sold in Massachusetts.  He thinks he could do that under his authority as attorney general.  Quote “Remember, we’re regulating an unsafe product; the most unsafe product sold today is guns.”  Unfortunately, the other candidate, Maura Healey, is nearly as bad.

Rachel Comment- Sorry, Massachusetts.

Rob- Are hte state police required to follow these gun regulations?

Rob- Is there a double standard in law enforcement?  An Orlando police officer killed an innocent woman in a downtown bar early Tuesday morning.  Orlando Police Chief John Mina said “The preliminary indication is that.. Officer Eduardo Sanguino shot and fatally struck Maria Godinez.”  The officer was responding to an intoxicated man with a gun who was outside the bar.  Officers tried a tazer on the suspect.  Officers then fired nine times.  They struck the suspect and two bystanders, one fatally.

John- Comment – You or I would go to jail for a bad shoot.  I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut this officer is exonerated.

Rachel – A father in Georgia filed a lawsuit after he says the principal at his daughter’s elementary school told him he was not allowed to bring his gun on school grounds. The lawsuit claims that the principal told Hugh Myers that he could not bring his gun onto the campus of Beulah Elementary School other than when he is dropping off or picking up his daughter. The principal allegedly threatened to have him arrested if he did otherwise. Myers’ attorney John Monroe is arguing that Myers should be allowed to bring his gun to school under a new Georgia law that took effect last month. Under the law, school districts are now able, if they choose, to allow some employees to carry a firearm on school grounds under certain conditions.  The lawsuit states that Myers frequently goes to the school to participate in his daughter’s activities, and wishes to carry a gun in case of confrontation.

John Comment- What liability has the school assumed by denying citizens the right of self-defense?

Rob Comment- I’m used to “may issue” sheriffs in California.  Now it appears we have “may issue” elementary school principals in Georgia.

Rachel – Texas governor Rick Perry’s Concealed Handgun License was suspended last week after he was indicted on charges of coercion of a public servant and abuse of power. Also because of the indictment, it’s illegal for anyone to sell him firearms or ammunition. Perry is known for being a CHL supporter and famously shot a coyote while he was jogging. His self-proclaimed position on gun control is, “I am actually for gun control: Use both hands.” If he is acquitted, his license and his ability to purchase guns and ammo will be reinstated. If he is convicted of this felony offense, he permanently loses the ability to have a CHL.

John Gun Quote – “Civilized people are taught by logic, barbarians by necessity, communities by tradition; and the lesson is inculcated even in wild beasts by nature itself. They learn that they have to defend their own bodies and persons and lives from violence of any and every kind by all the means within their power.” – Cicero

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Segment 3 Interviews with Andrew Rothman and Brandon Combs

Welcome back, Brandon Combs.  You were a plaintiff in a recent California court case contesting the mandatory 10 day waiting period after you buy a firearm.  Please tell our listeners about the case and how it turned out.

Segment 4 DGUs

John – An off-duty Dallas police officer was driving with his children last Thursday evening.  He saw a woman stop her car at an intersection.  A second car pull up beside her.  The two drivers spoke briefly, then the man in the second car got out of his car and shot at the driver in the first car.  The officer drew his weapon, and shot the assailant.  Quoting the officers in the investigation, “So far it looks like the officer did the right thing.. Remember, that under Texas state law, any person can take action to stop the deadly actions of another.”  The officer has yet to be interviewed.  The woman and the assailant are in the hospital and expected to survive.

Comment- It looks like the officer saved at least one life, and perhaps several.  Thank you, officer.

John- 89 year old Arthur Lewis was robbed a few years ago.  That time he traded shots with the thief too.  This time a thief entered the Jewelry Exchange in Lake Park, Florida.  The thief pointed his revolver at Mister Lewis.  Lewis grabbed the revolver and drew his own 38.  He fired six times striking Lennard Patrick Jervis in the arm, leg, and four times in the chest.  The thief fled.  His getaway driver asked police for medical help for the thief.  The thief is expected to survive.  The thief will be arrested once he recovers and is expected to face charges of armed robbery to a business, felon in possession of a firearm, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, and armed burglary.  The getaway driver was charged with armed robbery.  Court records show that the thief, Lennard Jervis had been arrested 20 times since 1989.

Rob -A 74 year old Omaha, Nebraska homeowner heard glass break downstairs at 1AM.  With the other three members of his family upstairs and the alarm system blaring, the homeowner grabbed his gun to investigate.  He stopped on the stairs and shouted for the intruder to leave.  When the intruder didn’t leave, the homeowner shot 29 year old Jorge Ramirez.  Ramirez is in Creighton University Medical Center and now listed in fair condition.

Rachel- This next story is from Houston, Texas where a mail carrier picked exactly the right day to stay home for a doctor’s appointment.  He heard the doorbell ring several times at about 10 in the morning.  Then someone banged on his front door.  That is when the homeowner got his gun.  He also saw an unfamiliar black Ford Mustang parked in front of his house.  The homeowner called 911.  The intruder entered the home and the homeowner confronted him. Quote “I’m telling him, get down, stop. It went bad. He kept coming toward me and didn’t want to stop.”  The homeowner shot 25-year-old Avery Powell.  Powell was out on parole and has been charged with burglary.  The homeowner said that this robbery was particularly upsetting because he was just getting a sense of security back after interrupting a home burglary four years ago.

John – A woman in Buffalo City, Wisconsin heard two men force their way through her back door at 5 am Friday morning.  They attacked the woman and threatened her at knife point.  The homeowner grabbed her handgun and fired several shots at the intruders.  The men fled.  The Buffalo County Sheriff’s department think the woman was target by the thieves.  The Sheriff’s office is asking the community for leads.

Rachel- This DGU was sent in by listener Scott.

Neighbors kept an eye out after the next door homeowner moved from his Channelview, Texas home and asked them to watch the place.  They heard glass break and the motion detector go off at about 2 in the morning.  The couple walked over, guns in hand, and found the back door broken in.  They found the burglar locked inside the bathroom.  The neighbors, husband and wife were both CHL holders.  When the burglar bolted from the bathroom, he knocked the woman into some furniture left in the home.  Both fired their handguns at the intruder.  He died in the local hospital.  Neighbors remain upset at the large number of break-ins during the last few weeks.

Thank you, Scott, for sending that in.  We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John- Email from Jeff
100% of all home invasions happen in the home.
From another in-home carrier. ;)

Rachel- Email from Greg in Bremerton

“Man scares off attempted robber of Bremerton store”
BREMERTON — The husband of a clerk at a Bremerton convenience store faced down a robber Wednesday night, pulling a gun on the suspect, who then fled, according to Bremerton police.

Officers were called to Rob’s Quick Stop, at the corner of 15th Street and Callow Avenue, about 9:20 p.m.

The suspect had entered the store wearing a bandana across his face. The clerk told the suspect to remove the bandanna, police said, but he instead pulled a gun and slammed it on the counter before pointing it at her. The clerk ducked behind the counter.

Her husband, who had witnessed the encounter, then pulled his own gun. After a brief faceoff with the suspect, both pointing their weapons at each other, the suspect fled. No money was taken.

Police believe the suspect may have gotten into a green Toyota vehicle with a blonde female driver. The suspect is described as a black or possibly Hispanic male, approximately 5 feet 4 inches tall, wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt, dark baggy jeans and black shoes.

Anyone with information about the suspect is asked to call Bremerton police at (360) 473-5228. The suspect is considered armed and dangerous, police said.

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Rob- From listener Adam Lund-

This is regarding the Jacksonville, Fla DGU.  I agree with most of what you all said until it came to the point where everyone agreed that hunkering down and covering each other would have been the prudent thing to do.  I have to ask if you all forgot about the one sentence about a child, who was in the house at the time, was unharmed.

If there is a child in the house, hunkering down and covering each other may not be an option you have.  If I hear a noise, I need to make a run through my house just to ensure the safety of my children. …Damn spoiled kids with their own rooms!

While you all may not have meant the best course of action in this instance was to hunker down in their bedroom and wait for the police to show up, this is what it sounded like.
Other than that, love the podcast!
- Adam

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John: That wraps up this episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the weekend show…

Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 263 – Charlie Foxtrot

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live Saturday August 23rd 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: I’m Rachel malone and we will talk with Charlie Foxtrot of the not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com.
Gary D: so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 263 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- Went shooting yesterday. Met a new gun and ran about 20 reloading drills to get properly introduced.
Gary- and I drove to SD
Rachel- Went shooting with friends on the spur of the moment Thursday and did some great defensive handgun training. Then I went and bought an EOTech that night. It was a great day. :)
Rob- Forgive me, Rachel. I have EOTech envy. Sorry
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Paul Went shooting

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Paul- In a ruling that impacts the legal liability of any business that establishes a so-called gun free zone, US District Court Judge R. Brooke Jackson ruled that the shooting in the Cinemark Theater in Aurora, Colorado was foreseeable. He said, “Although theaters had theretofore been spared a mass shooting incident, the patrons of a movie theater are, perhaps even more than students in a school or shoppers in a mall, ‘sitting ducks’.” With that he denied Cinemark’s motion to dismiss the many lawsuits against it which now will go to trial. Cinemark had contended that the mass shooting in Aurora was “legally unforeseeable”.

Gary-  A permit to carry does not make you a cop. This is the lesson that a Chicago-area man with an Illinois Concealed Carry Permit is learning the hard way. Ali Ozturk, 34, had tried to enter a bar in Albany Park on Monday night. The bar had a bouncer who tried to pat him down upon entering. He told the bouncer that he worked for the “Officers Div. of Adult Institutions” and then flashed a metal badge that he later admitted he got off of EBay. Ozturk was  arrested a short time later at a nearby pool hall after a witness told police he was trying to impersonate a police officer. He is now in Cook County Jail under charged with that and under a $150,000 bail.

Rob- comment- Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Paul- Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel tweeted his support and praise for the gun control efforts of Michael Bloomberg and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America on Thursday. Bloomberg has pledged $50 million to help get gun control candidates elected in November and Moms Demand is pressuring Kroger to bar law-abiding citizens from openly carrying guns (even where doing so is legal under state and local law). Emanuel himself has secured gun control measures that ban gun stores in 99.5 percent of Chicago. Which means law-abiding citizens have only “about half a percent of Chicago’s geographic area” in which they can buy a gun for defense of self, family, and property. According to the Chicago Sun Times, Emanuel is now defending Bloomberg from a growing backlash against the former NYC Mayor’s effort to control Americans’ lives via gun, food, and soda bans. The backlash was most recently exemplified by an NRA ad which calls Bloomberg out by name. On August 21 Emanuel tweeted supported for Bloomberg, combined with support for the gun control group he funds as well. He wrote, “I stand with Mike & the Moms!”, and then sent a second tweet in which he wrote: “No leader has done more to help end gun violence than Michael Bloomberg. He deserves our praise, not the NRA’s shameful attacks.”

Rachel – Living in a nanny-state changes one’s perception of “safety”. That is the only conclusion one should draw from the results of a poll in the Chicago Tribune which found 55% of the residents of Chicago felt “less safe” now that concealed carry is legal in Illinois. This finding coincides with the rise in crime in the Windy City. The poll also found support for Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy was dropping sharply as compared to the previous year.

Rob- Comment It is called a push poll.  “Do you feel safer or less safe now that citizens are allowed to carry guns in the city and crime is up?

Paul- A self-described environmentalist affiliated with the Green Party of Chicago was bent out of shape by a youth shooting range at the Illinois State Fair. This is the same shooting range that has been set up in 48 other states. Charles Paidock made his displeasure known in a letter to the editor published in the State Journal-Register of Springfield, Illinois. He had gone into the Conservation World pavillion at the fair. He says, “I expected the usual stuffed-animal exhibits and information on hunting licenses in Illinois, but I did not anticipate a traveling operation with no other apparent purpose than to inculcate children on how to use guns.” Mr. Paidock was disturbed by this and made his displeasure known to both fair officials and the Illinois Dept of Natural Resources.

Rob- This guy is trying to mainstream his hoplophobia.

Rob- The financially-troubled group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership may be merged into the Second Amendment Foundation.  The survival of JPFO was in doubt after their spring fundraising drive raised hundreds of dollars rather than the tens of thousand needed to keep the organization alive.  Some JPFO members fear that JPFO will lose its character under SAF.

SAF founder Allan Gotlieb said “They approached SAF.  We said yes because it is important to the pro-gun rights movement to keep JPFO alive and make it grow.  JPFO and SAF will issue news releases when the merger becomes final late next week or the following Monday.

JFPO will get a new board of directors and function independently.  In the past we have absorbed KeepAndBearArms.com and Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership and kept them running as they were before coming under the SAF umbrella.”

Well-known libertarian author Claire Wolfe who was a contractor for JPFO begs to disagree and went public with her disagreement on Friday night. In a series of posts at Backwoods Home, she contends any merger of JPFO with SAF would be a sell-out of founder’s Aaron Zelman’s vision.

Quoting author David Codrea, “The inescapable conclusion is, had gun owners stepped up and supported a group struggling after the passing of its founder, its rescue would have been unneeded.   http://www.examiner.com/article/announced-takeover-of-jewish-gun-group-provokes-controversy

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Gary- D.C. City Council Chairman Phil Mendelson told FOX 5 on Thursday that he will appeal the gun carry ruling, making the information public for the first time. “The whole issue of the public carrying of a firearm is very complicated,” Mendelson said. “And I believe the executive and the attorney general will continue with the appeal.” Also this week, the city asked the court for six more months to rewrite its gun laws. Right now, the city has until October 22. That’s why Mendelson said gun carry will be at the top of the agenda when the city council returns from recess. “What the court said very clearly was that a complete 100-percent ban on anybody being able to get a license to carry a handgun was unconstitutional. But there’s a gray area between 100-percent ban and everybody can carry. And that’s what we’re working through.” … (My take: The District – which already has a more onerous requirements merely to register a handgun to be kept in the home than most states impose for carry permits – is stalling and hoping that it can get away with a carry-permit system as restrictive as Hawaii’s. On top of that, it will seek to ban carry in so many venues as to make lawful routine carry impossible.)

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/26341727/mendelson-says-he-will-appeal-dc-gun-carry-ruling

Comment-  Delay, deny, and obstruct.

Rachel- In Texas, blacks are protesting police violence in a particularly Southwestern way: By invoking their right to open carry. On Wednesday, more than 30 members of the newly-formed Huey P. Newton Gun Club gathered to march through South Dallas with rifles, shotguns, and AR-15s. The group eventually entered a restaurant with their weapons while Dallas police officers were inside eating lunch. “The recent murders of unarmed black, brown, and whites across the United States of America has eradicated trust in the police,” the gun club’s website states… (Of historical interest, California’s 1967 Mulford Act – which banned the open carry of a loaded firearm in a “public place” – was a response to the openly armed “Black Panther Police Patrols” in Oakland. Governor Ronald Reagan signed the bill after about two dozen Black Panthers, armed with rifles and shotguns, attempted to enter the Assembly chamber in the State Capitol. At the time, Reagan commented,“There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” )

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/black-open-carry-in-dallas

Rob- The Clark County prosecutor said Tuesday he will dismiss a firearms-related charge against a Vancouver man who said he was merely taking Vice President Joe Biden’s advice on how to defend his property from car prowlers. Instead, the man will be prosecuted for obstructing a police officer. Jeffrey C. Barton, 53, made international news when he told journalists: “I did what Joe Biden told me to do. I went outside and fired my shotgun in the air.” That is a reference to the vice president’s answer to a question in February 2013 about home defense. Biden responded that Americans don’t need to own semiautomatic weapons because a couple blasts from a shotgun will scare off intruders. Barton’s comment, dubbed the “Joe Biden defense,” was circulated widely among Second Amendment activists, and also landed a two-minute segment on “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.” …However, the firearms charge will be replaced with a charge of obstructing a law enforcement officer, Golik said. Golik said ethical guidelines prevent him from discussing specific reasons for the new charge… Barton said Tuesday that the new charge also is groundless. “Tony Golik is desperately grasping at straws to keep his ass out of a civil suit, which he’s going to get anyway,” Barton said… (Not being an advocate of “warning shots,” I’m not ecstatic to see Uncle Joe’s cockamamie advice given any legal standing. Recall that Uncle Joe also advocated firing a shotgun through a closed door, at an unseen target.)

http://www.columbian.com/news/2014/aug/19/joe-biden-defense-case-to-see-action-vancouver/

Rob- comment- Aren’t obstructing an officer and resisting arrest, and disturbing the garbage charge that keeps the police from being charged.

Paul- Last week a Maryland District court judge said modern semi-automatic rifles are only used for offense.  That is why these firearms are not protected by the right to bear arms.  Now it is clear that some citizens are more equal than others.  The Compton California school board authorized school resource officers to carry AR-15.  The local police chief said modern rifles were necessary so police could engage targets out at 150 to 300 feet and to penetrate soft body armor.

Rob- Comment- These are only offensive weapons if YOU have them. School Resource Officers are different.

Gary- Comment- It must be the blue polyester uniforms.

Rachel- I’ve said before that you are an ambassador for the gun culture, and you are are our secret weapon.  Well here is to you and this story is to your credit.  I’ll wait until the end to tell you where the story came from.  A major media company ran a video segment on women in the shooting sports.  They noted that women form a new and growing segment of the shooting sports.  The number of women target shooting has grown by 70 percent in the last 10 years.  Women have also taken up hunting, with 3 million women taking part each year.   Women are involved in every aspect of firearms ownership, not simply self-defense.  The stereotype that the NRA has scared  women into buying guns is false.  Here is the best part- the article appeared on CBS- this Morning.

Comment- Would someone look at the thermometer and check if it is snowing in hell.

Rob- In my own backyard, a California State University San Marcos faculty member  was surrounded by SWAT cops for open carrying.. that is open carrying an umbrella on campus.

It rarely rains in California, but it did this morning.  Someone called the San Diego County Sheriff’s office to report a bald white male, wearing a black shirt and jeans and walking across campus carrying a rifle. This resulted in a shelter-in place order for some 400 staff and students going through new student orientation.  Faculty and students huddled behind doors barricaded with tables and chairs.  Thirty minutes later the umbrella-bearing teacher figured out he matched the description of the alleged gunman and he contacted police to arrange his surrender.

Comment-  Hoplophobes never check for ability, opportunity and demonstrated intent.  We are raising a generation of paranoids and law enforcement who feel justified shooting someone if they carry something that could remotely look like a firearm.  We need to fight for hearts and minds.

Rachel comment – if only they had a CATI-California open carry group to help show them what rifles actually look like, so they didn’t confuse them with umbrellas.

Gun Quotes
“An attack on a hunter is an attack on all hunters, is an attack on all gun owners. Respond accordingly.” Michael Bane – Gun & Hunting Culture 2.0

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Segment 3 Interview
With Charlie Foxtrot.  This article drew some attention when I discussed the several riots I’ve seen.    Here is his facebook page.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- A home invasion ended in gunfire in a east Harris County [TX] apartment Thursday morning. Deputies were called to a shooting at the Saddle Ridge Apartments on Woodforest just before 7am. Sgt. Gary Harrison says during that home invasion, the man who lives inside the apartment shot one of the suspects in self-defense. That young man was airlifted to Ben Taub Hospital. Three suspects were involved. One other was taken into custody. The third fled the scene once gunfire erupted. Investigators are looking into whether these suspects were responsible for any earlier incidents in the area. http://abc13.com/news/resident-shoots-suspect-during-home-invasion/275001/

Gary- A 73-year-old Lilburn [GA] woman shot through a door as a burglar approached her bedroom and then she chased him out of her house, continuing to fire, according to a police report…According to a report on the incident obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Thursday, Douglas said someone rang her doorbell around 9:45 p.m. on Aug. 3. She looked out her bedroom window and spotted a truck parked nearby in the middle of the intersection of Falconhurst Drive and Hewatt Road. Douglas called 911 and waited. Moments later, however, she heard glass shattering and then the pottery she placed in front of her backdoor breaking so she grabbed her gun. According to the report, Douglas stayed in the bedroom but she “could see light from a flashlight getting closer from under the door. When she heard the doorknob turn, she fired one shot through the door. “She then heard a scream on the other side of the door and the subject fled downstairs. Douglas went downstairs and saw the subject in the kitchen looking for the back door. She fired several more shots in the general direction of the subject as he ran outside.” While detectives were still investigating at Douglas’s house, Jamie Christoper Lewis showed up at the Eastside Medical Center in Snellville with a non-life threatening gunshot wound to the chest. He was charged with burglary… (All’s well that ends well but I’d have waited until he opened the door.) http://www.ajc.com/news/news/gwinnett-woman-73-chases-burglar-suspect-from-home/ng6y3/

Paul- An Ashley Avenue woman told police she fired her gun at two teens who tried to rob her at her home Wednesday night. Charleston [SC] police responded to the woman’s home at 1311 Ashley Ave. about 10:20 p.m. and found several bullet holes in the wall and window, according to an incident report. The woman told detectives she was getting out of her car with her child in her arms when two teens with guns approached her from the rear of the apartment building. The teens ordered her into the house. Once she was inside, she ran into her bedroom, put her child on the bed and grabbed her gun, the report says. She walked into the living room where the teens were standing and started shooting, prompting the teens to run out the door. No one has been arrested, Charleston police spokesman Charles Francis said.. http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140821/PC16/140829844/1177/police-charleston-woman-shot-at-teens-who-tried-to-rob-her-at-gunpoint

Rob- A jewelry store employee shot at a suspected robber Thursday afternoon at the Asian Garden Mall. The incident occurred around 12:25 p.m. inside Tick Tock Watches in Westminster [CA]   Two men wearing ski-type masks and hooded sweatshirts entered the store, then used a hammer to break glass on a display case.  They then grabbed the merchandise. One witness reported that one of the men may have been armed with a gun.  A store employee pulled out a weapon and fired two shots at the robbers. The robbers fled the store, possibly with some merchandise, but police don’t know whether either was struck by the gunfire.. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/store-632397-collins-robbers.html

Gary- This is a tragic news item with a message.  A San Bernardino policeman remained in a medically induced coma today.  The man who assaulted the police officer was killed by the policeman’s patrol partner.  31 year old Patrolman Gabriel Garcia, 31 was in extremely critical condition in Colton, California.  Garcia is a highly commended, six-year veteran of the department who has spent much of his career on patrol duty.  His father, Ron Garcia, is a captain with the department.  Garcia and his partner- a trainee on the job for just two months – stopped to talk to a group of people standing outside a home on a cul de sac when one of group pulled a gun and opened fire.  Officer Garcia was struck three time.  Garcia’s partner fired at least 30 rounds and wounded the gunman.  The 38 year old assailant died at a hospital. Two other men at the scene were arrested and jailed.  One was held on suspicion of attempted murder, possession of an assault rifle and possession of a sawed-off rifle.  Another was was arrested in connection with outstanding traffic warrants.

Rob-  Here is a take-away: criminals don’t fight fair.  Several people attacked these officers.   The average number of people involved in an assault or strongarm robbery is 2.3 against one.  The defending officer reloaded and kept firing to neutralize the threat.

Gary- Comment- tell me again why a single citizen in California only needs 10 rounds to defend themselves?

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about some proposed California gun laws.  It turns out the new gun violence restraining orders have an unusual provision.  These restraining orders can deny access to “sensitive areas”.  Think about that.  We know our legislators are crazy and are clearly a danger to themselves and others.  That means we can put their sanity on trial and keep California legislators out of the capital.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Gary: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 262 – Brandon Combs

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, August 20th, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone
Rob: I’m Rob Morse. On tonights show we have an interview with Brandon Combs of the Firearms Policy Coalition.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on!
Gary: Episode 262 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rachel- Testified at a hearing for a proposal to allow alcohol sales at Texas gun shows. More on that in the news section, but essentially, I tried to take a big picture look at the proposal and address the lack of validity of TABC establishing these regulations, rather than the stupidity of the regulations themselves. Since I was on, we successfully ran Academy 31 – our girls’ camp – and then broke our A/C unit (in Texas in August) and are looking forward to having that replaced tomorrow. :)

Rob- I did some dry fire on the move. I donated some money to put billboards up in Atlantic County, New Jersey. That is where Shaneen Allen is being prosecuted. Also, my article about modern rifles being outlawed in Maryland was mentioned on Armed American Radio.

John- I’m am waiting for my SIRT 107 to arrive. M&P version of the SIRT training pistol. I think it shipped on Monday! I may be able to have a report on it by the weekend. Like Rob, I donated some money to help publicize Shaneen Allen’s case.

Gary- Another training class on Sunday. I have an ongoing training class for me scheduled for next month.

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Gary- Here is a chance to bring some needed justice to New Jersey.  The Second Amendment Foundation, Tom Gresham of Gun Talk, and the NJ2AS are working together on the Shaneen Allen case.  They are putting up billboards asking citizens why the County Prosecutor wants to put Shaneen Allen into prison for 10 years.  Add a note “New Jersey Billboards” when you donate at the Second Amendment Foundation website.

Rob-  I donated.

John – And so did I.  Donations are tax-deductible.

Rachel- Open Carry Texas has received a lot of criticism in the last few months.  One comment was that Open Carry Texas only walks in rich white conservative neighborhoods.  The implied criticism is that armed defense is only for rich white people.  Open Carry Texas thinks self-defense is for everyone, so they planned a walk in Houston’s fifth ward.  Democrat Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee was quite upset, perhaps because the crime ridden fifth ward is part of her district.  The congresswoman said, “On behalf of many thousands who live in this community that are minding their daily business, Open Carry’s efforts need to stop, need to be canceled, they need to end.”  Some residents of the fifth ward threatened Open Carry Texas.  I guess the Progressive Congresswoman’s tolerance of diverse opinions and practices stops at armed self-defense.  Fortunately, groups like the Armed Citizen Project and Open Carry Texas will exercise their freedom of speech and freedom of assembly without the Congresswoman’s approval.

John- Comment- they can and they will advocate for self-defense for everyone.

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Gary- SYRACUSE, N.Y. — One hundred and five people will be laid off at Remington Arms in Ilion, New York.  The layoffs are part of Remington’s plansto move two assembly lines to Alabama, which was announced in May.  Original reports said there wouldn’t be any job losses in anti-gun New York.  Those reports were wrong.

Rob- Last week Massachusetts passed more laws that restrict the sales of long guns.  This week, Savage Arms announced it will lay off 95 people from its plant in Westfield, Massachusetts.  The 120 year old firm has been in and out of bankruptcy for about the last 30 years. It is now owned by Alliant Technologies who also makes Federal ammunition.

John-Comment-  maybe the timing is only coincidental.

Rob- Comment- Maybe.

John- Gordon Jenkins was mayor of Monticello Village, New York.  This mayor from the Hudson valley area was also part of the Bloomberg group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, or as John calls it, Mayor Bloomberg’s Illegal Mayors.   Mayor Jenkins is now in the Sullivan County Jail along with Building Inspector James Snowden.  Charges related to the demolition of the old village court building.  Both men face felony charges of receiving bribes, criminal mischief, and two counts of conspiracy.  They are also charged with misdemeanors of official misconduct, criminal nuisance, and under the Department of Environmental Conservation law, endangering public health or safety.  Mayor Jenkins was also charged with the felony of intimidating a witness in connection with a separate incident in Fallsburg, New York.

Rachel- It was a tough weekend in nearby New York City, the gun control capital of the eastern seaboard.  19 people were shot on Saturday and Sunday.  Two died of their gunshots and two remain hospitalized in critical condition.  This brings the number of murders up to 678 from 605 recorded this date in 2013.

Rob- Also in New York City.  Mayor Bill de Blasio announced a $12.7 million “Gun Violence Crisis Management System”.  The plan uses gang members as “violence interrupters”.  This comes as the city faces a 12 percent uptick in shootings this year.  Remember that the overall rate of criminal use of firearms is falling across the rest of the US.  Also remember the experience of Chicago, where recycled gang members continued their life of crime once they were being paid as “violence interrupters”.

Speaking of the failed program in Chicago:

Gary – New evidence has emerged that contradicts Governor Quinn’s claim that he shut down a failed and mismanaged “Neighborhood Recovery Initiative.”  Instead, House and Senate leaders and members of the Legislative Audit Commission, are pointing to a last-minute $20 million lump sum allocation buried in the state’s labor department budget. They are calling for an accounting of what appears to be a virtually identical re-branding version of the scandal-plagued program.

Rob- The California legislature is working on laws that would allow the government to seize your firearms if someone says you’re violent or mentally disturbed, or a danger to yourself or others.  It seems that even experts have a hard time telling who is at risk of violence and who isn’t.

John – The high school student who murdered another student at his suburban Denver, Colorado high school last year had been deemed “not a high-level of threat” after shouting a death threat against his debate coach three months earlier.  Disciplinary records show that the murderer was allowed to return to class less than a week after the murderer was demoted from captain of the debate team and said he would kill the coach.  Documents show the murderer showed no remorse for making the threat.  The murderer planned to kill the debate coach when he entered Arapahoe High School on December 13th with a shotgun, a machete and homemade bombs.  The murderer killed a 17-year-old girl before taking his own life in the school library as security officers closed in.

Rachel- Comment- They misjudged this teenager and people died as a result.

Rob Comment- True, but they also disarmed the school staff and people died as a result.

Rachel Comment- Yeah.

Rachel- A Texas school district gave the final approval for armed staff in the classroom.  The Sadler and Southmayd Consolidated Independent School District adopted the armed staff program back in April.  The Board selected a group of teachers and staff from a list of volunteers.  The volunteers underwent a psychological evaluation and 24 hours of specialized concealed carry training over the summer.  Monday night, the Board reviewed the results and approved the newly trained staff members to carry on campus.  School Superintendent Tommy Hunter said the district would not to reveal which staff may be armed.  “We don’t want to help potential shooters.. The teachers are going to know who is armed, but the student body is not.”

Rob- 24 HOURS?

Rachel-The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission held a public hearing yesterday to consider testimony on proposed regulation changes. TABC was approached by the Dallas Safari Club, who wanted to be able to sell alcohol at events where guns are also sold. The original understanding was that the new rules would require all gun shows and other events where guns were displayed or transferred to follow strict new regulations in order to allow alcohol to be sold, whether or not they actually sold alcohol. An announcement at the hearing

suggested that the commission is backing off and now offering a proposition where event planners could choose to not sell alcohol and still go with the former regulations. The events in question would include gun shows as well as fundraising banquets, raffles, or historical reenactments. The restrictions include a ban on any live ammo (gun shows with no ammo for sale, anyone?), firearms that must stay dissembled and out of the hands of the public (so you can’t handle a gun before buying it, and the transfer must occur later). Sounds like a stupid way to run a gun show to me….

I testified at this hearing, along with a dozen other gun rights leaders from the Texas open carry movement, other gun rights lovers, and – on the other side – Dallas Safari Club and Moms Demand Action Bloomberg representative.

Rob- What about NRA banquets where guns and alcohol are routinely present.

John- Gun Quotes

“No tendency is quite so strong in human nature as the desire to lay down rules of conduct for other people.”
– William Howard Taft

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

Gary-  While this story is a defensive gun use, it can almost be considered a “Why I Carry” story as well, because the victim may have been able to avoid hours of abuse if a firearm was more accessible.

Ivy Winter Reutzel-Morrell alleges that Anthony Ray Tullis, 25, who also lived in her home, took her into a bedroom and assaulted her for over five hours.  Tullis also threatened Reutzel-Morrell’s life during the altercation.  Fortunately, the victim was able to gain control a rifle during the terrifying incident and shoot the suspect. He was dead by the time authorities arrived.  This also backs up Paul and my assertion of pants on, gun on.

Rachel- Comment- or for women, skirt on, gun on.

John – A 38 y.o. Shasta County, California man with a criminal history went to a birthday party for a child that he shared with his ex-girlfriend Amanda Rizer. He became enraged to find Matthew Robinson, 32, of Redding also in attendance at the party. Robinson had recently started a relationship with Ms. Rizer. The unidentified former boyfriend left the party but returned 20 minutes later declaring he was going to take the child. He advanced on Robinson who fired a warning shot from his .38 revolver. The ex-boyfriend then went to his car and retrieved what appeared to be a 9mm pistol and pointed it at Robinson. Fearing for his life, Robinson shot the ex-boyfriend once in the chest. The ex was transported to Mercy Med. Center in Redding where he later died. Deputies said the 9mm pistol turned out to be a replica and that they have determined that Robinson fired in self-defense.

Rob Comment – Don’t fire warning shots and don’t threaten someone who you know has an actual firearm with a toy gun. Neither are a good idea!

Rachel-  Innovative Optique sells glasses and sunglasses in Fox Point, Wisconsin.  The store had been robbed before.  The store owner expressed his concern for his safety and for his employees.  At about noon on Friday, 22 year old Joshua Drake of Milwaukee tried to rob the store at gunpoint.  The gunman fired, and an armed employee shot back and killed him.  The thief was pronounced dead at the scene.  The employee wasn’t hurt.

Rob- A Phoenix, Arizona woman pulled into her driveway.  The 63 year old driver was approached by a 23 year old Michael Medina.  Medina approached the driver’s door and asked to use her phone.  She said no, and Medina dragged her out of the car and threw her to the ground.  Then he got into her car.  A couple who lives next door saw the suspect walking up to their neighbor and thought something was wrong.  The woman went up to the vehicle and opened the passenger side door.  She was knocked to the ground as the carjacker drove away.  The man saw his wife knocked to the ground and fired several shots at the suspect in the vehicle.

The suspect fled the area in the vehicle, but he crashed and died a short distance away.  The carjacker did not know the victims.  Both the car owner and the neighbor were briefly hospitalized for bruises and head injuries.

Gary- 21 year old Michael Williams Little had broken up with his 18 year old girlfriend, Ashley Womack, a few weeks ago.  Little was a police cadet and went to his ex-girlfriend’s home near Knoxville, Tennessee.   Cadet Little argued with the family.  He left and came back with a handgun.  He then shot a family friend, his ex-girlfriend, and his ex-girlfriend’s mother.  The ex-girlfriend’s brother retrieved a 22 caliber rifle and shot the gunman several times.

The family friend was dead when authorities arrived.  Little was pronounced dead when he arrived at the hospital.

John Comment-  I’m glad the police are not the only ones who have a gun.

Gary Comment- I bet the victims wish they were carrying.

John- You would sleep during the day if you work nights.  That is why a homeowner was startled awake at 2 in the afternoon as Justin O’neal Hall kicked in his front door.  The homeowner woke to see the intruder standing in his livingroom.  He also recognised Justin Hall from high school.  They exchanged words, and the homeowner told Hall he was going to grab his shoes before they went together and examined the damage to his front door.  The homeowner grabbed his shoes.. and his pistol.  He held Hall at gunpoint until police arrived. Hall was charged with second-degree burglary and police believe he may be connected to other recent home break-ins in the area.  I noticed the newspaper already had his picture on file.

Rob- Comment-  A perfect case of armed self-defense with no shots fired.

Rachel Comment-  No, it would have been perfect if he’d been armed when he came out of his bedroom.

Gun check: it may or may not be 10PM where you are….regardless of the time, do you know where your gun is?
Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John – Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I have an article out on disarming crazy people.. like our California politicians.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John – I had a post regarding a comment by the former NYC Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Baden. He was employed by the family of Ferguson, MO teen Michael Brown to perform an independent autopsy. He determined that Officer Darren Wilson had shot Brown 6 times in the front of the body. He made that comment that ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times,”.  The reality is that in a self-defense situation, you shoot as many times as is needed to stop the threat whether it is one, six, or 26 shots.

Gary – Check out my new website at www.FirearmSI.com

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Gary: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 261 – Kyle Bacon

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 16th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have Kyle Bacon of the Search and Assess Podcast with us tonight.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Gary: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 261 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – I was in a loaner truck this week as my regular truck had some MAJOR repairs needed. I wish that I had known that it was going to die on Sunday as I basically took the day off to enjoy with my wife. I didn’t edit the podcast, instead I thought that I would find the time to do the editing and uploading of the show when I had some downtime during the week.

The truck that I got for a loaner truck didn’t have AC power and I had to rely on a tiny power inverter that I use for charging cell phones in my pickup. My laptop that I use for the show totally overwhelmed the inverter and I wasn’t able to power up and edit the show.

Rob – I met with an instructor for some more teaching instruction. Other than that I shot dry fire.

John – I picked up my Ruger Security Six revolver on Monday from my local dealer. It is a 2 ¾” stainless .357 Magnum with nice checkered grips.
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Paul – Tonight I want to talk a bit about 2 stories that seem extremely dissimilar however I promise that I will tie them together at the end so please bear with me. Many of you know that I am a NASCAR fan. Last weekend, right about the time that we were wrapping up recording the weekend show there was a horrible accident at a race track in rural upstate New York. A young local race car driver was killed in this accident. Now not to sound crass, however this is something that happens about once a month during racing season somewhere in the United States. Racing is a dangerous sport by it’s very nature, and sometimes racers give their lives in pursuit of the sport that they love. Two things are a little unusual about this incident. First is that the young man who died, 20 year old Kevin Ward, was out of his race car and walking on the track. Second is that the car that hit him was driven by three time champion and  NASCAR superstar Tony Stewart.

The media climbed all over this and was all but calling Tony Stewart a murderer. Video of the wreck played over and over on ESPN showing (in poor taste in my opinion) the death of this young man.  Even in sports media the fix was in pushing hard on Mr Stewart. What wasn’t right about this was this, it truly was an accident. If you were to watch the video of the incident you can see that the young racer, clearly upset, gets out of his race car and approaches oncoming traffic from the right side. The sprint cars that these racers were driving on this dirt track have extremely limited visibility on the right hand side. there is no way that at the angle that the young racer approached Stewart that he could have been seen.

In all but the media that is dedicated to racing, Stewart was vilified. A small group of media that covers racing full time tried valiantly to point out the situation, and even though the local sheriff’s office repeatedly stated that although the investigation is ongoing it looked as though there was no criminal intent and that no criminal charges looked to be filed, the media smelled blood in the water and went after Stewart with vicious intensity.

How does this relate to anything we talk about on the podcast on a regular basis you might ask? Well also about the time that we were wrapping up the weekend show last week another thing happened in Ferguson, Missouri. In this event 2 young males walked in to a convenience store and committed a strong arm robbery. they stole about $50 in cigars and assaulted a clerk. When a police officer contacted the 2 males there was a struggle and at least one shot was fired inside the officer’s police cruiser and one of the males died. Once again in this example there were a couple of things that made this story exceptional . First there were witnesses that claimed that the young man “had his hands up” and second because the police force is a majority caucasian force and the young male was black it was an easy story to insert race into.

I listened to reports of both incidents on satellite radio as I drove this week. The initial reports of the Ferguson story stated that when the officer (who has been named by the police department but out of our respect for the officer we will not name) approached 2 young men and attempted to get out of his car the 2 men attacked him pushing him back into his car and attempting to get his gun from him.  However once riots began all reporting that attempted to produce facts in the mainstream media died away almost instantly.

Now let’s look a little bit at the “witnesses”. One was the cousin of the deceased. The other was known to the deceased. Do you think that they might have a little bit of a case to make up a story? I heard that ONCE in a broadcast on satellite radio and then never again. This includes listening to what I would call fairly reliable news sources such as Fox News and BBC America.

In both stories I think everyone involved would have been much better served by a reporting of the facts and an plea to allow a true investigation to reveal the facts in the case. Unfortunately we got neither. I haven’t heard any reports of fatalities in the Ferguson area and that is a good thing, What I have seen is a display of a militarized police force that is very good at escalating the situation and a community that has been whipped into a frenzy at least in part due to inaccurate reporting.

Where I am going with these 2 stories is this PLEASE be careful where you get your news. Look for multiple sources and look for inconsistencies. I am sure that back in the days of Walter Cronkite that the tools were not available that we have now to do our own research and to find things as quickly as we can, however that is one of the blessings that we have now.

I can state as the owner and executive producer of the podcast that we do make every effort to be sure that the news that we present to you is accurate. I am very appreciative to all of you who listen to us for news and commentary. We will continue to do our best to get you the best information we can, and with your help sending us links and opinions in email I know that we will not fall prey to the “get the story quick to get listeners” disorder that seems to have fallen on the mainstream media,

Rob- Journalists sell the excitement of a headline.  There should be more to the news.  It isn’t clear if the news crews care what really happened on the street so long as they get and keep eyes on their advertisements. Armed civilians with a badge versus unarmed unbadged civilians.

Paul- There were riots in Ferguson, Missouri after a teenager was shot by a policeman.  There was also looting and buildings burnt to the ground.  After that, firearms sales in local gun shops increased by 5 to 10 fold.  Local citizens became concerned for their own safety when local convenience stores were burned down.  Citizens are buying everything from handguns, to rifles, to shotguns.  People who already own firearms were back go buy ammunition.  Customers who normally save up and pay with cash were putting the purchases on their credit cards.  One gun-store owner put it this way.  The good news is  that people are taking personal responsibility for their own well-being.  Citizens are admitting that even the best law enforcement can’t be everywhere for everybody.  It is also sad that we need to protect ourselves from our neighbors.

John – comment – they are even buying AR-15s for home defense even though Judge Catherine Blake said they had no use for home defense. Could it be that these people know something she doesn’t?

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John-  Police face a difficult job.  That job may be impossible in some of our larger cities.  A gang member describes the streets of New York.  Families are broken.  Working citizens and shopkeepers are harassed and disarmed by the city.  When he looks around, the only figures with any power are the armed drug gangs.  The kids on the street have figured out that only the fools obey the law.  That attitude is the result of failed economic and social policies.  That attitude will lead to high rates of violent crime, and it isn’t a problem that law enforcement can fix.

Rob Comment- I can relate to that, because my local government is seems like it is never out to help me, only to regulate and tax me.

John- In Washington DC, an off duty detective was shot in an attempted hijacking.  Another officer was shot during the search for suspects.  The municipal policy of disarming the citizens without a badge means criminals never fear their victims.. even if they victims are off duty police.

67 people were shot this week in Chicago.  New York City has stopped posting statistics on its shootings and murders.

Rob Commnet- Is that the most transparent administration on the east coast?

Gary- Mario Alejandro, 33, of Woodbridge, New Jersey is a Marine.  He served in the 2003 invasion of Iraq.  Last week he wore a T-shirt saying, “Keep Calm and Return Fire.”  Above the lettering was a modern rifle colored in red, white and blue.  Mr. Alejandro was stopped by a security guard at Six Flags amusement park because of his shirt.  The guard asked him to remove his shirt or buy a shirt and put it on to cover his T-shirt.  Mr Alejandro refused the request.  The guard checked with park management and then insisted Mr. Alejandro leave the park.

Alejandro said no veteran deserves the same treatment he encountered.  Quote “I fought for this country.  I laid in a hole for 36 hours with no sleep, and had friends die for this country and so the people here could have the freedom to [do] things like visit amusement parks. So when they told me that I couldn’t come in there with my family because of my shirt — a patriotic shirt — it hurt a lot. No other veteran should ever have to experience that.”  Six Flags entertainment operates 17 amusement parks. You can contact them here from the link in our show notes.

Rob- These words, “common sense gun-control”, they do not mean what you think they mean.  Our example of the day is from Representative Gabby Giffords.  She proposed a five step plan to stop gun violence.  Here are a few of her ideas-

Idea Two: “Authorize law enforcement to remove access to guns, with court oversight and plenty of protections to prevent abuse of this authority.” The owner of the guns would “only” get them back once he or she was “no longer a danger to themselves or others.”

Idea Three: “Require schools, including colleges and universities, to report violent or suicidal people to a court or administering agency.” These people would also have their firearms confiscated, but “could regain their firearms access…after a certain period of time.”

Idea Four: “Allow courts to issue ‘Gun Violence Restraining Orders.’” These result in temporary gun confiscation.

Idea Five: “Temporarily ban those who have been involuntarily hospitalized from purchasing or possessing firearms.”

I did not hear her mention mandatory reporting of the mentally ill by the county and state to the federal NICS system.  According to Giffords, common sense gun-control means confiscation.  You know, given the way most elected legislators act, they should be disarmed for mental illness.

Paul- Any of us with children know that kids take better care of their own toys than they do of other children’s toys.  It looks like the police in Des Plaines, Illinois have lost some of the AR style rifles they were given from the Defense Department.   The Des Plaines Police Department could be facing a federal investigation into the disappearance of two semi-automatic rifles.  Police Chief William Kushner admitted he doesn’t know where the two M-16A1 rifles went.  The weapons were given to the department in 2002 as part of a federal program to equip law enforcement agencies with military surplus weapons, and to help combat terrorism and drugs.  An internal audit required by the Defense Department failed to locate the two rifles earlier this year.  Chief Kushner, who took over as chief two years ago, said poor bookkeeping and widespread access to the armory are to blame for the guns’ disappearance.  He expected a closer look at his records and procedures from the Law Enforcement Support Office and Defense Logistics Agency, which manage the surplus property program.

John- Two bills advanced in the Michigan Senate that advance the right of self-defense.  Bill SB 977 passed in the state Senate, and helps active duty military maintain their Michigan Concealed Pistol License.  Many active duty Michigan citizens were losing their CPL because they could not apply for renewals in person.  The bill requires county clerks to accept applications and return renewals by first class mail.  This would also allow deployed military personnel to carry off base if their duty station has reciprocity with Michigan.

The next bill, SB 979, passed in the Senate Judiciary Committee by a 3 to 1 vote.  The bill realigned Michigan’s definition of “firearm” with the federal definition; such that “firearm” would be redefined to mean “any weapon which is designed to, or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by action of an explosive.” SB 979 also creates a separate definition for air guns. It also preempts local units of government from regulating air guns and spring guns on private property where authorization is given by the owner and the possessor takes precautionary measures to ensure that the projectile remains within the bounds of the property.

Both bills will be taken up when the legislature reconvenes in September.

Comment- It is probably worth calling your legislator’s office.

Rob- Here is more state news.  Governor Deval Patrick signed bills into law that further regulate long gun in Massachusetts.  The bills require Massachusetts citizens to receive permission from their police chief before they may purchase a long gun.  The bill requires that the chief appear in court to explain his denial of a Firearms Owners Identification Card.  It does not establish what constitutes good cause for denial or acceptance.  That means a potential gun owner must be willing to go to court to buy a gun.

The governor invited gun control activists to the signing ceremony and did not invite groups like the Massachusetts Gun Owners Action League.

Gary- Moving down to Connecticut, state Senate Minority Leader John McKinney lost his bid for the Republican candidacy to face Democrat Governor Dan Malloy in November. Senator McKinney was one of the architects of Connecticut’s restrictive 2013 gun laws.  Business man Tim Foley beat the incumbent senator by 11 percentage points.   Foley publicly supported citizens’ rights to bear arms.  Tens of thousands of Connecticut gun owners helped support Foley and helped get out the vote in this low turnout primary.  They lifted Foley to victory in all but one CT county.

Paul- Moving over to Minnesota.. You might remember last October when the National Football League issued a “no guns” policy at their events.  The Dallas Cowboys immediately announced that they would not obey that policy.  Now a judge has struck down the policy for off-duty Minnesota police officers.  Two police organizations challenged the rule, arguing that NFL policy cannot preempt state law. Police groups argued that even off-duty officers need to be armed at Vikings games, to protect themselves and the public.  The judge’s ruling applies only in Minnesota.

 

Comment- Why are citizens with badges at greater risk than citizens without badges?

 

Rob- Just when you thought that police officers were allowed to carry everywhere, we get to talk about Dallas, Texas.  Employees at the AMC 30 Theaters in Mesquite saw a police officer’s gun when the officer bent down to pick up a ticket he dropped.  The officer showed his badge and offered to show his ID, but the theater manager asked him to leave.  It seems we have not learned a thing from the Aurora Colorado murders in a gun free zone.

Gun Quotes -Paul- “In a perfect world, you wouldn’t need guns. This is not a perfect world.” – Sheriff Ben Johnson, Volusia (VO-LUSHA) County, Florida

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Hand to hand is as old as man.  I study Kungfu.  Stay on your feet.

Segment 4 DGUs

John – A Jacksonville, Florida man and woman are in stable condition after a shootout with a home invader on Friday morning. A child in the house at the time was unharmed. The suspect, 21 yo Trevel Yates, however is dead.

The pair had just woken up when they heard a loud noise of someone breaking in the back door, Sgt. Michael Paul reported. The 50-year-old man fought with Yates and was hit several times with a blunt object. The man retrieved a firearm and exchanged gunfire with the suspect. The 60-year-old woman also got a gun and shot at the suspect.

WWRS?  What would Rachel Say.  Carry all the time or guess right.

Rob- A Visalia man is dead after being shot by a woman inside her home, Visalia police said Thursday morning.  The shooting took place after the woman had been attacked by a man she knew, police said.  46-year-old Albert Pena was declared dead at Kaweah Delta Medical Center about an hour later, Sgt. Damon Maurice said.  The woman, whose name was not released, was also injured and was taken to the hospital where she was treated and released… She and Pena were in a relationship and got into an altercation in which Pena assaulted her several times, police said.  While being assaulted, she got a gun from inside the home and shot Pena several times, police said.  She was not arrested and cooperated with police, Maurice said.  The case, which police said appeared to be self-defense, will be forwarded to the Tulare County [CA] District Attorney’s Office for review.

Gary- This Huntsville, Alabama home invader must have thought a life of crime would be easy. However, when the person he attempted to rob responded with his own firearm early Sunday morning, the unidentified home invader beat feet. Not only did he flee but he dropped both his gun and wallet as he was exiting.

Paul- This is the kind of DGU I like.  Four women were sitting outside at a Tacoma, Washington wine bar.  51 year old Robert Anthony Rashe brushed up against their table, and one of the women asked him to step back.  Rashe flipped over their table and hit the women in the mouth, knocking lose one of her teeth.  A male customer saw the fight from inside the wine bar.  He stepped outside and told Rashe to leave the women alone.  Rushe pulled out a 12-inch-long knife and walked toward the man.  An employee of the wine bar saw the group frozen in place and facing Rashe.  Rashe held the knife in a fighting stance.  The employee pulled his concealed handgun.  He then ordered Rashe to drop the knife and lie on the ground. The police found Rashe held at gunpoint when they arrived.  Rashe was charged with two counts of second-degree assault, and one count of third-degree malicious mischief.

Rob-  No shots fired, and don’t bring a gun to a knife fight.

John- They are lucky Rashe was a crazy amatur.  A trained professional with a knife could have cut all of them.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob- This is from one of our listeners. He said, “Remember those “I am Trayvon” T-shirts? You know what we need? How about some T-shirts that say, “I am Shaneen”.

Ken S. from Phoenix in the Free State of Arizona.

Gary-
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Hey Paul,
Thanks for the talk on the show.
I guess I worded my last sentence wrong. It’s not necessarily that I think we shouldn’t have the 2 parties that we do, I just hate that, for the most part, we are almost forced into one or the other because, as you mentioned, it’s really the only way to make change. It’s just a conundrum when you have to vote for someone that disagrees with something you are for, based on the fact that they are for 80% of the rest of your views, or you could vote for someone that agrees 100% with you (I know, not gonna happen), but by doing that you are basically just wasting your vote.

Thanks Paul,
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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about the judge’s decision outlawing modern rifles in Maryland.  The judge says  modern rifles are too lethal for civilians who don’t wear a badge.  She said modern rifles are only used for assault, and not used for defense.. yet, according to the judge, it is permissible that civilians with a badge carry these same modern rifles.  The judge is wrong.  The articles are up at ammoland and the SlowFacts blog.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 260 – John Lott

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, August 13th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Doctor John Lott about his recent conference covering Concealed Carry on Campus
Rob: we have our weekly self-defense news and stories of defensive gun use.
John So climb aboard,
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on! Episode 260 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob- I had to leave the last episode early.  I was a line coach for an event with 40 new shooters.  The San Diego Young Republicans had a “firearms, alcohol and tobacco night.  The event was written up and posted to Brietbart California.  They had a good time.  I heard “Ooo, I like that!” at the range AND at the bar.

John-  They always said the ATF should be a party, not a government agency.

Rob- I also booked my flight to Chicago for the Gun Rights Policy Conference.  I was a little disappointed at the hotel.  I thought the hotel could manage a room for four guys, but they can’t.

John – Having listened to Rob give reports on dry firing with his SIRT pistol for many months now, I knew I wanted a SIRT pistol but I didn’t want the Glock model. I now have a SIRT 107 Beta on the way to me. It is the pre-release model of the SIRT shaped like a Smith and Wesson M&P. I’ve been waiting for them to release the M&P model for a long time and my prayers have been answered!

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John – Four Chicago Police Officers were charged with reckless neglect in the line of duty.  The police were standing next to Mr. Vaughn when another man called out angrily to him. Vaughn picked up a stick for self-defense.  The police ordered Vaughn to drop the stick, and he did so.  The other man then ran to Vaughn and beat him to death with a baseball bat.. within feet of the police.  The police failed to protect an individual they had disarmed.  They turned a potential danger into an actual one.

Rob – If you have to point a loaded firearm at someone during a road rage incident, make sure you are a Los Angeles police officer.  The officer was photographed as she drove with her gun drawn and pointed at the drivers-side window.  The victim gave the photograph to the police and the image went viral.  I’m sure the female officer will be investigated and absolved by the LA police department’s office of internal affairs.  You or I would go to jail for the same offense.  Furthermore, police officers are three times MORE likely to commit murder than a concealed carry permit holder.

John – Chicago Police Chief Garry McCarthy said law-abiding gun owners are corrupt and endanger public safety when they lobby for their right of armed self- defense by contacting elected officials.  Chief McCarthy made his comments on the recorded radio show “Connected to Chicago”.  Chief McCarthy is the top law enforcement officer in the shrinking city of Chicago.  Chicago skews its reporting of sexual assault so it is hard to compare violence rates city to city.  Chicago’s murder rate makes it the 13 most violent city in the US as of 2012.  Where statistics are available, they show concealed carry holders are many times more law abiding than the average citizen.. and that included Chicago’s police department.

Chief McCarthy doesn’t like either the first amendment or the second amendment.

Rob- Some TV news crews are not that smart.  A Washington DC news crew had their van burglarized as they tested a new phone application that mapped bad neighborhoods.  The crew went to a bad neighborhood and interviewed the neighbors.  While they asked the neighbors if it really was a bad area, their news van was robbed of cameras, computers and a reporter’s purse.  San Francisco and Oakland news crews now have their own security team after being robbed many times.

Comment- Isn’t a Conservative simply a Liberal who’s been mugged?

John – Listener Chris Gillespie mailed in this story.  Police arrived to find four juvenile males being followed by two adults.  Earlier, the young men asked one of the adults if he was carrying.  The adult said “No.” and the young man knocked him out and robbed him.  A neighbor called police.  Two of the four juveniles were booked and taken to jail.

Chris said “This is why I am suspect of people who I don’t know asking if I carry.”

Rob- A friend of mine wrote an article in the Richmond Times Dispatch.  Gabriella Hoffman said Washington DC will be safer once the DC City Council repeals their handgun ban.  She said that if you make DC laws more like Virginia’s, you will get the lower crime rates enjoyed by the citizens of Virginia.  Virginians can both open carry and concealed carry.  Good writing, Gabriella!

John – U.S. District Judge Catherine C. Blake issued a ruling on the most popular firearms in America.  She said that AR and AK style rifles are dangerous and unusual firearms.  Therefore, the second amendment does not protect the owners of ARs and AKs from any government regulations.  The ruling applies in Maryland.  Judge Blake was appointed by President Bill Clinton. To make her ruling she relied upon junk science coming from an assortment of anti-gun academics while dismissing the fact that an AR is in common use.

Comment- The judge is doing her master’s bidding.

Rob -The times are changing.  A report carried by Buckeye Firearms points out that an insurance company promised to raise the insurance rates on a church.. because the church had not instituted an armed security team.  This is particularly interesting because some states make it a felony to carry a licensed concealed firearm into a church, while other states say nothing about it at all.  At least a few insurance companies noticed the benefits of armed self-defense!

Comment- About time.

John -There are more crazy anti-self-defense laws being proposed in California.  Bill 1609 would require a citizen who lives in two states to transfer his own firearms through a federal firearms dealer each time he moves between residences.  He would have to wait the required 10 day “cooling off period” to take possession of his own firearms when he re-enters California.  Oppose this bill and give California some love.  Contact the Firearms Policy Coalition here and give them a few clicks of the mouse.

Rob – Billionaire and former New York City Mayor MIchael Bloomberg spent a few hundred thousand dollars trying to defeat Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke.  Bloomberg didn’t like it when Sheriff Clarke asked his citizens to train themselves for armed self-defense until his deputies arrive.  A mere hundred thousand dollars is pocket change for Bloomberg.  Outside groups spent over a half million dollars to defeat Sheriff Clarke.  That amount of money was far more than either candidate spent on their own campaign.  It wasn’t enough, and Sheriff Clarke won another four year term, winning the election by 4 percent.

Gun Quotes- John- “Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again; poor fools. And their grand-children are once more slaves.” – D. H. Lawrence

Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interview with Doctor John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center

Biography-  Dr Lott earned a PhD in economics from UCLA.  He taught and did research at institutions including the Yale Law School, Stanford University, UCLA, the Wharton Business School, Texas A&M, Rice University, the United States Sentencing Commission, the University of Chicago. the State University of New York at Binghamton, the University of Maryland Foundation at the University of Maryland, and the American Enterprise Institute.  Doctor Lott also contributes to Fox News.

His books include  Uncertainty and Economic Evolution, More Guns, Less Crime, The Bias Against Guns, Straight Shooting, Freedomnomics, Obama’s War on Jobs and Growth and What We Can Do Now to Regain Our Future, and Dumbing Down the Courts: How Politics Keeps the Smartest Judges Off the Bench.  I’m sorry, Doctor, but I have to cut your biography short so we have more time for you to speak.

Dr. Lott, you just concluded your Students for Concealed Carry on Campus National Conference.  Congratulations on the conference.  How large was the event?

Could you briefly outline the major speakers and topics (an outline of the conference)

Significant statements from each speaker/panel-
College students as children vs life-long learning
John, please ask this- Will you continue the event next year?
What is holding you back, more applicants/attendees or more money?
Where can our listeners learn more about the event?
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/08/more-videos-from-students-for-concealed-carrycrime-prevention-research-center-conference/

Segment 4 DGUs
Comment on Lott interview.

Rob – Several men tried to break into an apartment in Garland, Texas.  They kicked in the door and were met by an armed occupant.  Both sides opened fire before most of the intruders ran away.  One of the intruders, 18 year old Michael Paxton, was motionless on the floor of the apartment.  He was transported by ambulance, but died in route due bullet wounds.  No one else was injured.  Authorities believe the occupant of the apartment did not know the intruders.

John -An armed thief stole money from an Albuquerque, New Mexico smoke shop.  The clerks didn’t resist the thief.. the first time.  The thief came back a few minutes later and was extremely angry.  He again threatened the clerks.  This time a clerk presented his firearm and shot the thief. The thief was dead at the scene by the time law enforcement arrived.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show… stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 259 – Military Surplus

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 9th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Ken Kowalski of Rimfire Podcast.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also talk with Fil Thy about military surplus rifles
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster. We have our regular news and DGUs, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 259 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
JohnsonJohn – I had planned to go to the range today to sight in a couple of rifles. However, we had tons of rain. Probably as much as Rob gets in half a year out in California.

Rob – I took one of my new students to several ranges so she could see what is out there for sport training.  She saw a steel shoot, IPSC, USPSA and an IDPA match.  That was this morning.  I have to leave the show early for a private training class tonight.  It is called an ATF event; shooting, then drinks and cigars.

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Paul- You might remember that principled man of the people, Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper.  The Governor made another unplanned confession on video.  It turns out that Colorado sheriffs often earn less than their deputies.  This is because there are separate pay scales for hourly employees and for elected officers.  Hickenlooper said he agreed the pay gap was a problem.  Hickenlooper also said his hands were tied because his big donors, his bundlers, told him not to touch this issue in an election year.

This proves that campaign money talks in Colorado, and voters get lip service from governor Hickenlooper.

John- Governor Hickenlooper also said he was for the right of self defense.. before he was against it.

Paul- There was a recent conference in Washington DC discussing concealed carry on campus.  The bad news is that many campus administrators oppose armed self-defense.  The good news is that we don’t have to speculate how young armed men and women behave.  The administrators have fears, while we.. have.. data!

There have been no reported problems with permit holders in the nine states that allow permitted concealed handguns on campuses.  Those states are Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Wisconsin.  In addition, Michigan and Texas provide data on permit revocations based on the permit holder’s age.  Experience shows that college age permit holders are as responsible or even more responsible than older permit holders.

John- Here is some perspective on that data from Florida and Texas. The rate of all crimes committed by police is about 6 times higher than the rate for concealed license holders in Texas.. and the rate is about 10 times higher than for license holders in Florida.  Much of the gun control debate focuses on things that might possibly go wrong.  Thanks to the work of Doctor John Lott at the Crime Prevention Research Center, now we know.

CC revocation by age

 

Matt- You said that Florida CCL holders are safer than Texas licence holders when compared to the police.  I looked at the data, and I can hear Rachel tell us that CCL holders from Texas are much safer than those from Michigan.  Yay Texas!

Matt- Campus administrators think they are a law unto themselves.  Boise State University in Idaho has a policy asking students and faculty to call 911 if they see a gun on campus – even if the firearm is carried legally.  Parrish Miller, a policy analyst for the Idaho Freedom Foundation, said “This is just such an outrageous policy.  We wouldn’t accept this at any other place in our society.”  Miller is concerned about the school’s insistence that students or faculty who see exposed firearms should call the police, who will then check if the weapon carrier holds the proper license.

John- I guess the school want us to call in the location of all the police on campus.  Yeah, sometimes the police wander off to the donut shop and get lost.

Paul- This story is about Maryland’s war on women.  It is easier for a Maryland business owner to get a concealed carry license because he carries cash, than for a woman to receive a license because she fears she may be attacked by an ex-lover.  More Maryland women have recently applied for state permission to own a handgun, but they are seldom allowed to carry for defense of themselves or their family.

Matt- That is bigotry against women and gun owners.

John- It looks like former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is going after any pro-gun politician he can find. Bloomberg’s anti-gun political action committee just bought $150,000 in ads to target outspoken gun rights activist Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke.  In response to the news of Bloomberg’s ads, Clarke said in a statement: “I trust the voters. The voters can’t be bought.”  The ad buys by Bloomberg’s PAC come on top of $400,000 in media ads purchased by the Greater Wisconsin Committee to try to beat Clarke, who is seeking his fourth term in Tuesday’s Democratic primary election.  Wisconsin gun owners, Sheriff Clark needs your help.

Paul – One does not need to be a Wisconsin resident to help out Sheriff Clarke. Plus this goes to show that it isn’t just Republicans who care about gun rights.

John- I dislike noisy neighbors, so this is good news.  Hunters in Florida may soon be able to shoot without waking the dead in several adjacent states.  A proposal from the Florida  Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission would allow hunters to legally use mufflers on their firearms when they hunt deer, turkey, gray squirrels, rabbits, quail and crows. Supporters say they can protect hunters’ hearing and irritation to their neighbors.  Opponents say we must muffle our vehicles so they don’t bother people, but muffled firearms are a danger to everyone because we won’t be deafened by them.  The proposal will be considered during the Commission’s meeting in September.

Paul- Firearm mufflers are required is several countries, and outlawed by some states in the US.

Paul- Can you shoot as well as a retired police officer?  The Los Angeles Police Department instituted a qualification course so they could grant concealed carry licenses to retiring officers. The course is fired at a man sized B-27 target at a distance of 7 yards.  There is no time limit to shoot the 10 round qualification.  All rounds impacting anywhere on the body and head will receive full value and rounds impacting upon the arms are half value.  A score of 70 percent is required to pass.

John- New Jersey Assemblyman Ron Dancer introduced a bill to bring some relief to gun owners traveling through New Jersey.  Quote “The sentences are mandatory. There’s no discretion with the judge or the court, no discretion, mandatory prison term.  It is unreasonable for anyone to be expected to be aware of all of the nuances of every gun law in every state.”

Dancer’s bill would give judges the option of not sending someone like Shaneen Allen to prison if the person from out of state is caught with a gun in New Jersey.

Paul- In Arizona, the police need a reason to frisk and search for firearms during a routine contact with a citizen.  The Arizona Supreme Court ruled that police cannot frisk a citizen unless they think the person is engaging in criminal behavior and is armed and dangerous.   The high court wrote that “police interactions with members of the public are inherently fluid, and what begins as a consensual encounter can evolve into a seizure that prompts Fourth Amendment scrutiny.  A reasonable person would not have felt free to disregard (the command to be frisked) from a law enforcement officer.. Officers must reasonably suspect both that criminal activity is afoot and that the suspect is armed and dangerous.”

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“God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.” – Daniel Webster

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Paul: Davion Smith is familiar with violent crime.  He had a lengthy arrest record.  The 14 year old Davion Smith was already a convicted felon with two convictions for armed robbery, a conviction for battery on a public or school employee, and a conviction for domestic burglary.  Smith and two others were taunting Virgis Canteen after Canteen accused them of robbing his apartment in Lakeland, Florida.  The argument escalated and Smith drew a handgun.  Smith is not allowed to have a handgun because of his age.  Smith is not allowed to have any firearm because of his prior criminal convictions.  Mr. Canteen was hit twice and then returned fire. The teen was pronounced dead at 8:25 p.m. at Lakeland Regional Medical Center.

Matt-The Wayne County, North Carolina, Sheriff’s Office says a woman will not face charges after shooting an alleged burglar at her home early Thursday morning. It happened around 4:30 a.m. on Providence Church Road in Goldsboro. Deputies said 28-year-old Paige Ham heard a noise at the back of her home and saw a lock was missing from a storage building out in the backyard. Ham had a roommate call 911 and went out with a gun to see if anything was stolen. That’s when 28-year-old Christopher Todd Brogden allegedly rushed out of the building towards her. Ham fired her gun, hitting Brogden. He was last reported in stable condition at Vidant Hospital in Greenville… (All’s well that ends well. Arizona does not adjust for daylight savings time so I’m uncertain how readily one could see that a lock was missing from a storage shed in North Carolina at 4:30 a.m. without illumination. How much risk would have there been in simply awaiting the response to the 911 call?)  http://abc11.com/news/woman-shoots-alleged-burglar-in-goldsboro/246910/

John – Kayla Walker of Enigma, GA  has a message for people who are the victims of a home invasion – fight back with everything you have. In her case, it was a hammer, a shotgun, and her hands. Tuesday afternoon, two men forced their way into her new home where she resided with her 10 month old son. After one man knocked her to floor and then straddled her shouting racial slurs, she head-butted him, grabbed him in the privates, and then choked him semi-unconscious. He revived after she pushed him off of her and starting fighting her. That’s when she hit him several times with a nearby hammer in the head and ribs. She then ran, grabbed her son, and retrieved her shotgun. “He said, ‘This is my new house. I’m here to stay.’ I said, ‘Not at this residence.’ I put the gun to his face and the gun clicked and he ran,” she said. Walker told deputies that she tried to shoot the intruders, but there was no shell in the chamber of the gun. She reported that the man ran away through the woods, leaving a trail of blood behind him. While she had a number of bruises from the incident, she nor her son suffered any serious injuries.  She has since ID’ed one of the men involved in a police lineup.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Brandon Combs sent us a link to his Buzzword Bingo game. We have the link in our show notes.fpc-buzzword-bingo1-791x1024

Rob, wrote about the DC City Council and how they responded to the Palmer case.  The article is called A Special Kind of Stupid in DC.   The article is up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and Rob’s blog, SlowFacts.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Matt: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Episode 258 – Joe Kalil, Brandon Combs, Frank Fiamingo, John Pierce

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, August 6th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we’ll talk with Joe Kalil from the organization Protect Our Students and Teachers.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have Brandon Combs with us from the Firearms Policy Coalition.
Paul We also talk with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS about The Shaneen Allen situation, and of course we have our weekly news and stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 258 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob- My article about Shaneen Allen was mentioned on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.

John – Nothing new with me other than work has suddenly gotten really busy. I shouldn’t complain as busy means more money as I’m on commission.

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Rob- Police work is hard, and I hate it when the police get it wrong.  LA county deputies were looking for Cedric Ramirez.  Ramirez was wanted for parole violations.  Ramirez saw the deputies and fled.  He also shot at them.  He fled through a stranger’s home.  When one of the occupants tried to escape, the occupant was shot three times by one of the deputies.  The father of eight died at the scene.  This is the second time this year that LA county sheriffs deputies shot the wrong person in a hostage situation.

John- This law enforcement officer gets it.  The Harnett County, North Carolina sheriff expressed his concern about a recent spike in violent crime.  He asked residents to arm themselves.

Over a hundred people packed the Spring Hill United Methodist Church during a community meeting on crime.   Sheriff Larry Rollins told the crowd that the violence is fueled by gangs and drugs. “When I am out with my family, even though I am a cop, I don’t go anywhere without a gun.. I want my deputies at your house just as fast as they can when you got a problem, but you better be able to take care of business until we get there if you have to protect your family.”

Several speakers urged the residents to call deputies if they see something suspicious, and to keep a sharp eye out for themselves and their neighbors.

Paul –  A small town police chief is facing big time trouble after he pulled his gun out twice at city hall.  One time the pointed it toward a city councilman. Security video taken inside Blakesburg, Iowa City Hall shows Police Chief Bob Lewis pointing a gun toward a city councilman.  City Councilman Bill Hinshaw says, “It may have been a joke, but somebody who is in a position of authority…it’s something that never should have been done.”

Rob – You or I would be in jail for such behavior.  If we did that, we would lose our ability to own firearms removed for life and probably spend time in jail.

John – Do you remember the man arrested at the Phoenix airport for carrying an AR?    I gave him a hard time, and Rachel said we should wait and see what really happened.  The man was a political protester, and a doctor.  Yesterday he issued a long statement and here is part of it-

“I consider myself a freedom activist and a responsible American citizen. I respect the rule of law.  I am an educated and responsible gun owner who has earned the legal right to have a concealed weapons permit. I have received extensive training in the safe handling of firearms as well as the substantial legal responsibilities that accompany firearms ownership. I enthusiastically support the rights of my fellow Americans to peacefully and responsibly keep and bear arms. I also strongly oppose the irresponsible use of firearms by anyone. I take my constitutional rights and the constitutional rights of all people very seriously, and I believe those rights need to be exercised and protected or they will be lost.

“I am a political activist.  My purpose in walking around the airport with my AR-15 rifle was to make the point that a peaceful citizen can openly and responsibly carry a firearm – including an AR-15 – for the protection of themselves and their community. I wanted to help educate the public and employees at the airport on this point by allowing them to observe a peaceful person responsibly carrying an AR-15 while doing things that people normally do there, like waiting and drinking a coffee.

“I chose to make this lawful political demonstration at the airport because there are few places in our society where the contrast between our liberties and their erosion is so stark. On the one side of a line on the floor, in the shopping area, we are relatively free, and can safely keep and bear arms. On the other side of that line we have the TSA, a large federal bureaucracy which completely disarms people and subjects them to gross invasions of their privacy, simply because those people want to travel somewhere.

“As I was making this political statement, I was careful not to disturb or endanger anyone.  At all times I was extremely careful to ensure my firearm was never pointed at anyone. In addition to carefully handling my firearm, the safety was engaged at all times. I have no plans to repeat this demonstration as I believe I have now made the important point that peaceful and responsible people can safely be trusted to handle firearms, even AR-15′s, even at the airport. There is never anything to fear from peaceful responsible gun owners.  That is all I have to say.”

Rob- I thought the guy was a nut.  I was wrong and Rachel was right; I should have waited to pass judgement.

John – We can still argue if the protest was effective in changing minds to our side.

Rob- The National Shooting Sports Federation is the lobbying and research group for the US firearms industry.  They recently released a report on the trends in firearms ownership.  The report shows Gun Culture 2.0 in full bloom.

48 percent of today’s first time gun buyers are women.
Women most often purchased a gun for self defense or self-sufficiency.
Most first time gun buyers are between 22 to 30 years old and live in the suburbs.
Of all first time gun buyers, 87 percent said they bought a firearm for home-defense and 76 percent for said it was for self-defense. There is obviously some overlap.
First time buyers spent about $500 on their first gun.
The most frequent purchase was a semi-automatic handgun, followed by shotguns, and then revolvers.

John- No rifles?  This must make the appleseed instructors cry.. or work harder.

John – Our neighbors to the North are working on changing their gun laws…for the better. In late July, Canada’s Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney announced that the Government planned to introduce the “Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act” which is designed to cut red tape for legal gun owners. The new rules would create one license to both own and purchase firearms, make transporting firearms around an owner’s home province less restrictive and bar provincial chief firearms officers from denying guns from citizens under the “any reasonable condition” clause.“I am impressed by the way the firearms community and law abiding citizens are abiding by the law,” Blaney told Sun News. “For these people we need to cut red tape. … The firearms community is abiding by the law, and are exemplary citizens.”

Paul- Here is a shout out to some local activists.  An anti-gun group planned a booth at the National Night Out in Arlington Heights, a suburb in Cook County, Illinois.  National Night Out is focused on crime prevention, and is an opportunity for police and other emergency personnel to mix with local residents.  The Illinois State Rifle Association planned a counter protest.  After the event organizers heard of the counter protest, the anti- gun group withdrew their application.

Tom Gresham calls this the “don’t shrug” policy.  We will lose our rights if we sit back and accept the lies told by the anti-self-defense groups.  An activists is someone who won’t shrug and say “Someone else should fix this.”  If not you, then who?  If not now, then when?

Welcome to being an activist, Brother.

Rob- This is why I’m an activist.   20-year-old Dartmouth student says she may have to give up her Ivy League dream and drop out of school because the prestigious college won’t allow her to carry a gun — to protect herself against a predator.

Taylor Woolrich said Dartmouth administrators told her they won’t let her carry a gun on campus, even though she lives in fear of a man who has been stalking her since she was a high school student in San Diego.  Campus police asked her to stop calling them for escort service as she moves about the campus after dark.  Now she confines herself to her dorm.  She took out a restraining order. Her stalker was recently arrested after he came to her home in San Diego.

John- The stalker is 67 years old.

John- Speaking of anti-gun-groups.. you may have heard of “Nevadans for Background Checks”. The group is pushing to get a ballot measure on the Nevada ballot that would mandate background checks for private firearms sales.  With a name like that you’d think such a group was a home-grown, grassroots effort to bring more gun control to the desert. And you would be wrong. It is another astroturf effort by the Bloomberg financed Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors. Author David Codrea did some excellent sleuthing on the group, and its ties to Bloomberg are solid. For example, the PAC registration form filed with the Nevada Sec. of State’s office lists one Tara Paone as President. Ms. Paone is one busy woman as she is also the Treasurer for Everytown as well as the Director of a similar effort in Washington State. This is just another example of how instead of being a bottom’s up movement, gun control is a top-down effort by “our betters” to put their stamp on our lives and rights.

Rob – Who knew that Bloomberg money is the fertilizer of to grow Astroturf.

John – Finally, a couple of items from Missouri – one bad and the other good. Listeners may remember that in Episode 255 we reported on the efforts by Mayor Sly James to ban open carry within the city limits of Kansas City. Last Thursday, the KC City Council voted 9-0 to officially ban open carry within its city limits. This ban may be short-lived as the MO Legislature will meet in September to decide whether to override Gov. Jay Nixon’s veto of a bill that would have prohibited KC’s actions.

Paul- Now for the good. Yesterday, voters in the Missouri voted by a 2-1 margin to approve Amendment 5 which declared that the right to keep and bear arms is an “unalienable right” and that state government if obligated to uphold it. The fair ballot language that accompanied the ballot said: A “yes” vote will amend the Missouri Constitution to expand the right to keep and bear arms to include ammunition and related accessories for such arms. This amendment also removes the language that states the right to keep and bear arms does not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.” Approval of the measure led Bloomberg’s Moms to say that it was “a gun lobby-backed proposal that could gravely undermine public safety.”

Rob- I guess if you are an astroturf organization you wouldn’t know real grassroots action even if it bit you. And congratulations to the people of the Show Me State for standing up for their gun rights.

John – The amendment also mandates strict scrutiny.

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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John Pierce- http://johnpierceesq.com  NFA lawyer.  Could DC impose an anti-gun carry permit system and remain within the judge’s ruling?

Politicians spoke publicly for a restrictive policy.  Not as restrictive a Maryland’s policy.

Brandon Combs- Tell us about the Firearms Policy Coalition.  What is going on in California anti-gun legislation?  AB 1014, SB 808, SB 53, SB 580

How do we find out more?  www.demandrights.org

Frank Fiamingo- Apply national attention to New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for the unjust prosecution of Shaneen Allen.  Look for Frank on Kenn Blanchard’s Black Man With a Gun, Tom Gresham on GunTalk, and Mark Walters at Armed American Radio.  Go to NJ2AS.com and click on Shaneen’s picture.  Also, call Governor Christie at 609-292-6000.

Joe Kalil from Protect our Students and Teachers.

Segment 4 DGUs

Paul- Burglars will often return to a house they’ve robbed and try to rob it again.   A home in Stanton, Delaware was vacant and being repaired.  Neighbors said it had been broken into, and taken over for parties.  The female homeowner and her son arrived at 6 AM Tuesday morning and found someone inside her home.  The intruder fought with the homeowner.  Fortunately, the homeowner was armed.  She shot the assailant once in the lower body, and the assailant fled.  Police found him in a near by trailer park.  He was captured and is awaiting charges.

One neighbor said “It’s awesome. If someone was going to break into my house I’d want to do the same thing. You’ve got to protect yourself.”

Rob- A Norristown, Pennsylvania resident was awakened at 1:30 AM as 22 year old Daryl Marquis Evans was pounding on his door.  The homeowner brought his gun with him as he answered.  As the door opened, Evans pointed his gun at the homeowner and and started making demand.  The homeowner fired six times, striking Evans in the chest, pelvis and leg.  Evans fired once, but the homeowner was not reported as injured.  Evans died at the scene.  Evans was a convicted felon and was wanted on outstanding warrants for drugs and robbery in Montgomery County at the time of the shooting. The DA said he would not file charges against the homeowner.

John- Three men came to a home in Wellington, Florida seeking the homeowner’s son.  The homeowner met them and they argued.  One of the men presented a knife and threatened the homeowner with it.  The homeowner presented his firearm and shot the assailant.  The three men fled to Palms West Hospital, one of them with a non-life-threatening gunshot wound.  They were taken into custody and the wounded suspect was then taken to St. Mary’s Hospital.  Criminal charges are pending against all three of the suspects.

Rob- Who is going to say it?

Paul- I will.  Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

Paul- It was late morning when four masked men tried to rob a Baltimore, Maryland business at gunpoint.  The business owner drew his own gun and shot one of the robbers in the leg.  All four fled and police recovered the handgun that did not belong to the business owner.  None of the customers or store employees were hurt.

Rob Comments- more than one assailant.  bad shot placement.  we don’t know if the business owner had the firearm on him or had to retrieve it from under the counter.

Rob- Don’t mess with these brothers.  They both operate bodegas in New Haven, Connecticut.  One store was robbed by a gunman carrying a rifle.  While the police were at the first store, the store owner got a call from his brother saying he had been robbed as well, only this time the store owner defended himself.  The police rushed to the second store.  An ambulance transported the thief to Yale-New Haven hospital where he was pronounced dead.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Email from TJ:

Hi Paul,

You seem to be a very religious man, but you also seem to be a very respectful and logical man, so I feel asking you this should get an explanation, other than pure feelings and emotion. If you chose not to address it, I respect your decision.

In the Declaration of Independence, it’s stated that all men “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”, but, as an atheist, my question is this: Who endows me my unalienable rights? I know we hear the argument of “God-given rights”, but what about the rest of us that don’t believe?

Religion seems to go hand-in-hand with a lot of gun owners’ ideals, but I guess I am in some sort of gray area in my political beliefs. That’s why I think the two-party system is nuts. You can’t just lump people into two perfect, cookie-cutter categories.

Thank you Paul,

TJ Gauthier
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Rob- Comment- You are endowed with rights by your nature. You are endowed with rights because of of the type of creature you are.
John – Even though the Declaration referred to god given rights, I think philosophers refer to them as natural law and natural rights.

The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 257 – Joe Chetwood

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 2nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Joe Chetwood of Crusader Weaponry.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, We also have our usual self defense news
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we also cover todays DGU’s
Rachel: so climb aboard
Gary: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 257 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob- Last night I spent two hours in SIRT training with a new shooter. The student lives in California but spent the last few weeks reporting from the Texas border. She had an intense interest in self-defense after that experience. I had to break the bad news to her that we live in a “may issue” county in a “may issue” state. A Utah and Florida non-resident permit will give her most of what she needs.

Rachel- You mean the old story that the police will protect you.. and that our border is secure didn’t impress her?
Rob- Well, it left an impression all right.

Paul- Our new dogs are home!
Gary Daugherty wanted me to mention that Firearm Safety Institute is holding a concealed carry class August 16th and 17th in Villa Park Illinois. this class qualifies for Arizona and Florida non resident ccw classes. runs from 9am to 5 pm, you can register through the website or call 702-557-1644.

Rachel- Getting ready for Academy 31, my girls’ camp.

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Rachel- The watchdog group Judicial Watch sued the Department of Justice.. and won.  A federal court ordered the DOJ to turn over an index of materials related to the “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal.  The Obama administration first withheld the documents by claiming they were covered by executive privilege.  The judge said the content of the documents might be covered by executive privilege, but the public has a right to know who was involved in the discussion of Operation Fast and Furious.  The court ordered a detailed listing of all documents that the DOJ withheld from Congress along with an explicit justification for each withholding.  The documents are due October first.

Paul- I wonder if the DOJ will ask for delays until after the election.

Rob- Massachusetts gun owners lost their right to purchase a long gun even if they are not a prohibited person.  Police chiefs now have the unrestricted right to deny permission before Massachusetts citizens may purchase a long gun.  In theory, police chiefs must appear in court within 90 days to defend their reasoning for the denial of a license to a certain individual.

Paul- DC appealed and was granted a stay in the case of Palmer versus DC.  This case was brought against DC because they had a blanket prohibition on citizens carrying in the district.  Now politicians will go to work on DC gun owners.  The obvious political solution is that DC will allow the police chief to deny permits to anyone she wants.  That “may issue” or “good cause” solution, as practiced in New Jersey, has repeatedly passed legal review.

DC can also apply unusual regulations when they grant reciprocity.  For example, the district could deny reciprocity to a state because the state issues a firearms license for too long a period, has different domestic violence or different drug laws than DC.  Even if the laws are similar between DC and the state seeking reciprocity, the reporting requirements might be different.  Any excuse will do when you want to deny civil rights.

Rob comment- So DC could grant an annual firearms license with bizarre training requirements?

Yep. They could also demand that ammunition be certified by the police department. All this is before DC starts creating a labyrinth of “sensitive gun free zones”.  There are many ways to undermine the rights of DC citizens to protect themselves.

Rachel- I know we report on the unusual level of violence in Chicago, but there were only 19 people shot last weekend, and 54 shot this week so far, so that hardly makes the news.

Paul- Move along.  Nothing to see here.  These are not the self-defense statistics you’re looking for.

Rob- If you go to the country, then please leave the city behind.  William Baker was walking his dogs on Friday night on his property in rural Arco, Idaho.  That is where the owner of the neighboring KOA Campground approached him about having his gun holstered on his hip.  Someone had gone to the campground’s owner and complained about Baker walking armed. The campground owner Angela Dishman said they are just doing what they think is best for their business.  “We have tenters who … were scared to death, they had children, they had pets, they had families and they were scared.”

Baker says he wasn’t a threat and he wasn’t doing anything illegal open carrying as he walked his dog.

Rachel comment-  If you want to live in your over-regulated, gated Mc-Mansion with its Home Owners Association.. then don’t go out to the countryside.

Paul Comment- I knew someone who was terrified of dogs.  I told them not to buy one.

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Paul- Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Author John Bradshaw.

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Paul- Witnesses in Tamassee, South Carolina say Bradley Payne and a homeowner were arguing outside when Payne threatened the homeowner.  The homeowner retreated to his home and told Payne not to enter.  Payne jerked open the screen door and entered the home before being shot in the hip by the homeowner.  The homeowner called 911.  No charges were brought against the homeowner.

Rachel- A homeowner grabbed her gun when she heard someone attempting to break into her Manatee County, FL home while her husband was out playing bridge.  The suspect had used a rock to break part of the Logans’ door and they seem to have fled once they realized there was an armed person inside the home.  She said, “I don’t know what was going on in my mind. Honestly all I wanted was my gun.  When I called 911, she kept saying put the gun down. Put the gun down and I said I’ll put the gun down when I see the police.”

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul- Email 1 Ken in AZ writes

Paul, I was listening to Hickok45′s latest “radio show”. He was talking about  the Civil War, and it got me to thinking. Isn’t it interesting how the firearm manufacturers were located in the Free States, 150 years ago. And today, the ones up North are leaving, and moving to the new Free States in the South. Such a coincidence that firearms are made in Free States? Maybe the South will rise again!

Ken
Phoenix, AZ

Rob Email #2 also from Ken in AZ

Paul, over the weekend, including one DGU on your show (from last week), there were 2 news items where criminals involved in home break-ins were shot by home-owners defending themselves. In both cases, the news reported the medical status of the “victims” who had been shot.

Something needs to be done to educate the news media about who isn’t a victim and who is. There’s a fundamental mind-set that’s out-of-whack and needs to be pointed out and needs to be changed when this kind of bad reporting keeps happening.

Stating what’s obvious to us, but not to the news media: The criminal isn’t the victim of the home break-in shooting.
That’s all for today.

Ken
Phoenix, AZ (free state)

Rachel e-mail # 3- This from another listener-

Below is a link to an article I found ludicrous and illustrates the extreme to which some anti-hunters are willing to go.  Thought it would make good material for your discussions.

I haven’t vetted the article to see if it is legit yet; but even if it is a hoax, it is just too good not to pass along.
Really enjoy the podcasts!
Thanks,
Randy

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Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about “A Few Honest Men in America”.  We are our country’s conscience.  We sometimes think that the police and government determine right and wrong, but I found the thousands of times governments have turned a blind eye to mob rule.  We’ve had hundreds of cases of mob attacks and thousands of mob murders.  The article is at Clash Daily and at SlowFacts.

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

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Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 256 – More Palmer vs DC News

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, July 30th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have our self-defense news.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about defensive gun use.

Rachel: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!  Episode 256 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I’ve registered for GRPC, booked my room, and bought my plane ticket.

Rob- Is Barb joining you this year?

Life is in the way of training.  I’ve been boxing up a few thousand pounds of books as we do some home repairs.  Went to a gun store while a friend bought a small Walther for his wife.

Rachel- Not much action on guns or politics – mostly just turning things down because I’m too busy. I *have* gotten some planning done for an introductory firearms course I’m teaching at a girls’ camp I’m leading next week.

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Seg 2- News

John – The District of Columbia was granted a stay in the Palmer case. While they had requested a 180-day stay, Judge Frederick Scullin, Jr. only granted them 90 days. The plaintiffs had previously said they wouldn’t object to a 90-day stay IF the city used that time to  enact remedial legislation within that time that was consistent with Constitutional standards.

Residents and visitors to DC did have a couple of days in which they could provide for their self-defense before the decision was stayed.  As we discussed on Saturday, the city is weighing its options and could very well appeal the decision.

Rob- I had a few thoughts on this.

  • I learned that one of the defendants in the Palmer case did not live in DC.  That is why the judge ruled that visitors retain the right of self-defense when they visit DC.  The judge therefore required that DC grant reciprocity so non-residents can carry.  That moves us much closer to universal reciprocity.
  • The DC law that was struck down regulated concealed carry.  DC still has bizarre laws about magazine capacity.  Unless I’m a registered DC gun owner, it remains illegal for me to have a spent cartridge case somewhere in my car because that is an unlawful ammunition component.  Of course I can’t register my firearm unless I’m a DC resident    I assume those crazy laws still stand and are ready to trap any gun owner passing through DC.  Travelers beware.
  • Another thought is that it took five years to get a judicial decision.  Too bad it didn’t take four years for the judge to grant a stay.

Rachel- Nothing bad happened on the one evening when DC residents could legally take their guns for a walk?  The Potomac River did not run red with blood?

No

No gun owners from Pennsylvania and Virginia robbing the disarmed people of DC?

No

No columns of smoke rising from the armed riots?

No

No guys running around like Mad Max and the Apocalypse?

Not that I’ve seen.

I didn’t think so.  I guess DC was a little like Texas for a few hours.

John- DC was more like North Carolina, because we can open carry.

Rachel- We try to bring you accurate news affecting self-defense.  We do not bring you propaganda or fantasies.  It looks like the National Broadcasting Corporation does exactly that.  The anti-gun media couldn’t let the defensive gun use story of Psychiatrist Silverman go unchallenged.  NBC ran a hit piece masquerading as news where they interviewed psychiatrists about the efficacy of armed self-defense.  Here are the money quotes.  The headline was “ Experts say Psychiatrists with Guns Likely More Harmful Than Helpful”.  From the article, quote “The idea of a psychiatrist having a weapon in his desk is entirely new to me. I haven’t heard of anything like it before.”  “My guess is that arming psychiatrists is more likely to be harmful than helpful.”  close quote.

There is no need to for these so-called experts to remain ignorant or offer us their guesses.  We have many years of self-defense experience under real-world conditions.  At worse, the data shows that armed citizens cause no harm, and save lives at best.  A psychiatrist claiming otherwise is.. crazy.

Comments – Doctors, heal yourself first.

Rob- If you say stupid gun laws in Burlington, I’d think of the Burlington, Vermont city council.  Had you said Burlington, Iowa, well you’d be right too.  The Burlington City Council considered regulations demanding city permission for children to have toy guns, replica guns and BB guns in public.  Violators would be subject to a 500 dollar fine.  It would  also demand that toy guns be carried in a gun case when transported in a car.   The excuse was that it was better to outlaw toy guns than train police to determine opportunity, intent, and capability rather than shoot on sight.  This is extremely strange because we require Iowa concealed license holders to determine opportunity, intent, and capability on a daily basis, and we think nothing of it.  The Des Moines County Attorney is probably at fault for tolerating this stupidity, though the regulation was finally voted down by the city.

John - We recently reported on the case of Dr. Lee Silverman, a psychiatrist in the Philadelphia area, who used a personal handgun to end an attack in a hospital. He had been shot and a co-worker killed by the psychotic gunman. We speculated at the time whether or not Dr. Silverman would be fired. Good news – he won’t. Here is the statement from Mercy Health Systems on their Facebook page:

“We are thankful for the swift action of Dr. Lee Silverman, Dr. Jeffrey Dekret, John D’Alonzo and the other colleagues and visitors who took brave and difficult action during yesterday’s tragic event. We extend our condolences to Theresa Hunt’s family, and we are praying for Dr. Silverman’s speedy recovery. We look forward to Dr. Silverman’s return to serving patients at our hospital. We will do all we can to support the victims during this difficult time.

We continue to work with the Delaware County authorities to understand fully the details of the event. We are reviewing our policies and procedures to ensure a safe environment. We are committed to serving as a compassionate and healing presence in our communities, and we are grateful for the outpouring of community support.”

Rachel-  The patient had a gun because he was a crazy criminal.  The doctor had a gun because he wasn’t a crazy criminal.  The gun grabbers want the doctor disarmed so only crazy criminals have guns.  Does that make you feel safer?

Rachel- There is a culture change about the right of people to defend themselves.  The female host on The View ran an anti-gun ad from Everytown for Gun Safety.  They agreed it was an extremely emotional and effective ad showing a mother being shot during a custody dispute.  The conversation didn’t stop there.  Three of the hosts went on to say they had or wanted a gun in their home for protection.  They experienced the fear of a break-in or a stalker, and they wanted more than a phone for protection.  They counselled the one host who was afraid of guns with children in the home.  “Lock it up, and take a class to learn how to use it, but get a gun.”

Rob- Yes, we are bragging.  I saw an article in the Washington Post where they finally covered the story of Beretta moving from neighboring Maryland to Tennessee.  We covered that story weeks ago.  Use small words and talk slowly when you explain a story to the Washington Post.

Rachel- Alabama Attorney General Luther Strange is taking some heat for existing firearms legislation.  The AG supports legislation to ban the open carry of firearms in polling places. There were at least three cases where people open carried at the polls for the recent primary election.  That was when the Attorney General’s Office advised that government buildings that already ban guns can prohibit them when those locations double as polling places but the decision on whether to allow guns rests with the owners when voting takes place in churches or other private property.  Strange added that whatever stands he takes on proposals before the Legislature, he has to make sure they are constitutional. He cited a court ruling in the District of Columbia over the weekend striking down a law prohibiting people from having guns in public.

Rob- This sounds like either gun owners being stupid by open carrying at the polls, or anti-gun citizens deliberately provoking more gun regulations.  But wait, there is more.

Rachel- Phoenix police officers arrested a 54-year old man Friday after he pointed his AR15 rifle in the direction of two people at Sky Harbor International Airport.  The Tempe, Arizona man told officers he went to Sky Harbor International Airport to buy a cup of coffee and had no other business at the airport.  This gun owner has been at the airport with his rifle before.  In November 2013, several people alerted officers a man armed with an AR15 was standing in the baggage claim area apparently waiting for a passenger to arrive. At that time, the man was not charged; he did not commit a crime by simply carrying the weapon into the common area of the airport.   The recent incident was different because he took the rifle from his shoulder and muzzled two people.  The 54-year old gun owner now faces two counts of disorderly conduct with a weapon which is a felony.  I bet there is video that shows what our gun owner did.

Rob- I want gun owners to be great ambassadors.

John- Oklahoma lawmakers say that colleges and universities would be safer if students, faculty and staff were allowed to carry on campus.  University administrators disagree.  Rep. John Enns and Sen. Ralph Shortey argue that licensed gun owners should be able to protect themselves on state campuses. Enns said statistics show 20 percent of students will be assaulted at some point during their four years on campus. “I hear from a lot of parents of college kids, and I hear from college kids, as well,” he said. For anyone to say our college campuses are safe, that’s totally not true.” Currently, a licensed gun owner can carry a weapon on campus only with the written consent of the college president.

Oklahoma listeners, and those who have children who might attend Oklahoma schools should weigh in with their support.  Gun free zones are not safe for children.

Rob- It sounds like your voices were heard by Washington DC legislators.  Gun retailers are no longer on a hit list deemed “high risk” by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.  Federal banking regulators formally removed firearms dealers and manufacturers from the list of “high risk” industries being punished as part of the Obama administration’s “Operation Choke Point.”  Richard Osterman, the agency’s acting general counsel, admitted to the American Banker newspaper Monday that the no fund list had been “misinterpreted” by financial institutions… “If you empower the government to pick winners and losers within lawful enterprises, then there’s no place to stop.”

John- Rob, it could have been us.. or it could have been the porn industry shutting down “operation choke point”.  The political results aren’t that clear cut.

John- Connecticut gun owners are getting active and not taking gun restrictions lying down.  After spending a year holding protests and challenging the law through the court system, politically active gun owners in Connecticut have focused their efforts on the Aug. 12 primary.  They want to help Greenwich businessman Tom Foley defeat state Senate Minority Leader John McKinney in the race for the Republican nomination to run for governor. Republican Senator McKinney enraged gun owners with his soft support of armed self-defense.  Scott Wilson is founder and the president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League and we’ve had him on the Polite Society Podcast before.  Wilson said  “we’re eager to see John McKinney out of this race as soon as possible.”   80 members of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League became voting delegates to the Connecticut Republican Party convention where the party chose Foley over McKinney.

North east gun owners have a few weeks to get busy.

Rachel- You can have a bad day in a gun friendly state.  The cops raided the wrong house in Portsmouth, Virginia.  The homeowner saw a bunch of guys dressed in black on his front porch.  Then one of the uninvited visitors pointed a rifle at the homeowner and painted a laser on the homeowner’s shirt.  The homeowner got his gun and shot through the window, and ran out the back.  That is when police identified themselves and the homeowner dropped his gun.  The police pressed charges against the homeowner, and a jury threw the charges out. Now the  homeowner is free to sue the city.

Rob-I hope the homeowner wins a huge lawsuit.  This swat team should be fired along with their supervising officer.

John- Gun Quotes- “The maintenance of the right to bear arms is a most essential one to every free people and should not be whittled down by technical constructions.”    - Supreme Court of North Carolina, in State v. Kerner, 1921. This is the decision that is the basis for the right of North Carolinians to open carry firearms in the state.

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 3 Interviews

Rob’s apologies.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel-  A Madison County [TN] homeowner shot a 16-year-old boy who was breaking into his house, wounding the teen, according to the Sheriff’s Office. About 10 a.m. Sunday, the Madison County Sheriff’s Office received a 911 call about the burglary in progress in the 1400 block of Denmark-Jackson Road. The investigation revealed that the homeowner saw a young man walk past his front window, the Sheriff’s Office said in a news release. A short time later the homeowner heard tapping at the back bathroom window. He then saw a brick being thrown through the window. As the burglar was entering the bathroom window, the homeowner shot at him, authorities said. Deputies came across the young man while canvassing the area. He had two gun shot wounds to the arm and was taken to a local hospital. He was charged with aggravated burglary. They are still looking for another burglar.

Rob- Ayatollah Mohammad was charged with domestic violence on Tuesday.  By Wednesday, the police removed Mohammad from a home in Locust Fork, Alabama where his ex-girlfriend lived.  Mohammad didn’t take the hint.  It appears Mohammad walked the seven miles back to the home to resume his attack.  The ex-girlfriend’s son was on the scene, and the 14 year old son shot Mohammad when he came at his mother.  The case will be presented to the grand jury but no charges are expected.

John – I will admit to being a little conflicted about this next DGU. Five men were seeking to elude police in Linn County, Iowa. They were being chased by police when they crashed into a Solon resident’s front yard and took off on foot. Two bystanders, Tim Moore and Scott Eastwood, who lived in the neighborhood saw them hiding drugs and a firearm in Moore’s yard. Eastwood, a CCW holder, and Moore then chased them down in a pickup truck, listened to their false story, played along with them, and when they got them into the truck, Eastwood held them for cops at gunpoint. Police soon arrived to take them into custody and the five were charged with interference with official acts with injury on a peace officer. Other charges may be pending.

Rachel – Benjamin Beaudoin, 34, of Mendota Heights, Minnesota ended up bloody after he botched a home invasion. That should have been his lesson. However, he then decided to invade the home of 72 y.o. Ethel Himes in Ray, a far northern Minnesota town, and he began to choke the elderly lady. Her son, Brad, came upon the scene and went to get his handgun. He was followed and attacked by Beaudoin. He was able to stop the attack by shooting and killing Beaudoin. No charges have been filed against Mr. Himes. Beaudoin’s family is saying he had a traumatic brain injury as a teen and was a recovering alcoholic who was struggling with powerful migraine headaches and an undiagnosed mental illness. This supposed brain injury did not stop Beaudoin from graduating both high school and Bemidji State University with a degree in … psychology.

John-  Robbery is dangerous, even if there are four thieves trying to rob one man.  It is dangerous because you never know who is behind the counter of the store you’re trying to rob.  In this case, three men and a get-away driver waited in their white SUV for the store manager to arrive with small bills from the bank.  They attacked the store manager as he stepped from his car at this Houston Convenience store/gas station.  Mayura Dissanyake works as a store clerk, but he didn’t stand and watch.  Instead, he jumped in and beat three of the criminals.  When he isn’t selling coffee and gasoline, Mayura is a semi-professional fighter in mixed martial arts.  After the other thieves drove off, Mayura beat one of the thieves so he would stay still until the police arrived.

Rob- That clerk is always armed, though not with a firearm.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rachel- This in from a listener in Arizona.

I was aware of the NRA, and joined a couple of months ago when I decided to support gun-ownership and gun-rights. I had heard of the Second Amendment Foundation, but had no idea it was as important as the NRA, or, in light of Saturday’s court ruling, I had no idea of the important work it is doing and the results it is getting until now.

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the NRA, GOA, and SAF are different organizations.

Rob- Thanks to listeners Greg Tabor and Anthony Lucafo for their news and DGU tips.  It is great to have you at our back.

Rob- The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

By the time this episode goes online, I’ll have another article out that compares how New Jersey lets millionaire sports celebrities go free after they assault someone, and how New Jersey jails single moms who drive through their state with a legal firearm.  That is third-world justice.  The article will be up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog.

John, do you have anything on your blog, Only Guns and Money you want to tell our listeners about?

Impressions on the win in Palmer v. DC.

Rachel- Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the weekend show…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 255 – The Palmer Decision

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live from ABN Army Surplus on Saturday, July 26th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Bob Mayne of the Handgun World Show about some training coming to Sioux Falls next spring.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 255 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – Shout out to Jason at Concealment Solutions, Watching a trucker that was almost concealed carrying. Working to get the house set up for our new family members.

John – No range time since Wednesday but I did read an excellent article that would go along well with our DGUs. It was about “spot shooting” and how it could improve your shooting. Or as the author’s 83 year old father told a would be robber, do you want it in the teeth or the belly.

Rachel- I’ve been sitting here all week fondling gun parts and was super excited about sharing with y’all my new AR upgrade that was supposed to happen today. Unfortunately, I had a friend with a medical emergency and ended up spending last night at the ER and today taking care of kids. Some things take priority. The gun parts will just have to wait.

Rob- I had two hours of SIRT training on Friday, and a five hour IDPA competition this morning. You’d rather end on a strong stage.. but I didn’t. I was disappointed in my last stage after I had to restart because the afternoon wind blew the targets over. :-(

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Segment 2- NEWS News_Partner_white

Paul-We have a bit of breaking news a few hours ago as we record this the US District Court for the District of Columbia struck down the complete ban of carry in Washington DC.  From Alan Gura’s blog, the court stated that “In light of Heller, McDonald, and their progeny, there is no longer any basis on which this Court can conclude that the District of Columbia’s total ban on the public carrying of ready-to-use handguns outside the home is constitutional under any level of scrutiny. Therefore, the Court finds that the District of Columbia’s complete ban on the carrying of handguns in public is unconstitutional.”

This is a MONSTER win. I don’t expect things to change overnight, but this is DEFINITELY a step in the right direction.

Comments – John – This case has dragged on for over 5 years. Alan Gura even went to the US Ct of Appeals twice seeking to get Judge Frederick Scullin to issue a decision one way or another. I agree that this is a fantastic win for gun rights and the right to carry in the Nation’s Capital. George Lyon, one of the plaintiffs, urged Mayor Vincent Gray and the City Council “to swiftly enact a concealed carry law”.

Rob- We will see how this plays out.  I have several friends in DC who should concealed carry.  It is bizarre that it took five years for the court to reach this decision.  That was a political delay, not a judicial one.

John – With election season starting to heat up after the primaries, the NRA Freedom Action Foundation has announced that Chuck Norris will be the honorary chairman of the Trigger the Vote campaign. This campaign seeks to make sure that gun owners and gun rights supporters are registered to vote. Even though voter registration has become ridiculously easy over the years, you still can’t vote unless you are registered.

Comments-?  Remember R Lee Earney and his get out the vote series?

Rob – The city of Kansas City, Missouri wants to ban open carry within its city limits.  Mayor Sly James – Sly is a great name for a politician, by the way – said, “the sight of open carry is something that people could find too intimidating.” The Missouri Legislature had passed a bill that would have prevented cities from prohibiting open carry by those with CCW licenses. As we recently reported, Gov. Jay Nixon (D-MO) vetoed that gun rights bill. The legislature will meet in September to try and override the veto.

Comments- Rachel(comment)- it’s up to Missouri gun owners to make open carry non-intimidating.

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Rachel – First Lady Michelle Obama was in Chicago on Thursday where, as listeners to the podcast know, we often speak about shootings and murders that happen despite their gun control laws. After decrying the role of money and special interests in politics, Mrs. Obama told attendees at a Democratic fundraiser who paid up to $20,000 a couple to attend to dig deep in their pockets. She said electing Democrats would put kids first and help eliminate gun violence (sic) in her hometown. She didn’t have anything to say about cracking down on the gangs who are behind most of the shootings in Chicago. Go figure.

Comments-Rob- is gun violence a fault or a feature of Chicago machine politics.

John – Boston Police Commissioner William Evans evidently didn’t get the message from Vice-President Joe Biden. That’s because he said in an interview with public radio WGBH that “For the most part, nobody in the city needs a shotgun. Nobody needs a rifle.” He was responding to a question about gun permits in Massachusetts. He, like too many police chiefs in the Bay State, want the ultimate authority to say who can or can’t exercise their Second Amendment rights. I seem to remember that it was a move by another person in authority in Boston that triggered a war. That person was General Gage in April 1775 and the war was the American Revolution.

Comments-?  Rob- an only one!

Rachel- I actually think I agree with the police commissioner, in a way. For the most part – most days – you don’t need a shotgun or rifle to defend yourself.  But you never know when you will.

Rob- It is an election year and some Colorado Representatives are now reading the poll numbers.  Colorado legislators felt that they could do anything they wanted once they were elected.  That was when they rammed through new gun control laws and before three Colorado Senators were removed from office.  Those gun control bills were actually pushed through by Democrats to keep guns away from those with criminal backgrounds.  The legislative research committee said that about 420,000 background checks each year would stop criminals from getting guns.  Democrats allocated $3 million to the state agency in charge of handling all the projected extra reviews and checks, the Colorado Bureau of Investigations.  A year later, and the agency’s only performed 13,600 reviews — roughly 7 percent of what was predicted.

“I’m going to be asking some questions because I want to be a good steward of our tax dollars,” said Democratic Rep. Rhonda Fields, who nonetheless stood by the law and expressed optimism with its future, AP reported.

Paul- The first recall in Colorado was of Senate Leader John Morse.  Morse also ran a ballot initiative to make it harder to recall legislators.  That effort couldn’t gather the signatures to make the ballot.  There was a separate ballot initiative that did gather enough signatures.  That measure was to ban concealed carry on campus.  After looking at more poll numbers, the backers decided NOT to put the campus carry ban bill on the ballot.

Rachel (comment)- Last episode, we interviewed Luke Wagner of Colorado 2nd Amendment Association. They’re a great example of regular citizens doing extraordinary work to significantly change their state for gun rights.

John – They still have elections.. even in Cook County, Illinois.  Chicago area residents will vote if Illinois should impose an assault weapons ban and universal background checks required sell anything firearm related.  Both are non binding referendum designed to provide political cover for democrat legislators.

Paul – Just to let you know that they don’t have a justice system in New Jersey.  Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice was not prosecuted after he knocked his fiancee unconscious in an Atlantic City casino.  Instead, Rice received a two game suspension from the NFL.  Contrast his treatment with Shaneen Allen who was a licensed firearms owners and tried to drive through New Jersey.  She is facing three years in jail for a felony weapons violation.. from the same prosecutor who diverted Ray Rice to family counseling.

Rachel- Gun Quotes
“A man’s rights rest in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.”
- Frederick Douglass

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Segment 4 DGUs

We have had multiple emails pointing us to tonight’s 1st DGU.

John – DOCTORS ARE known for saving lives – but rarely do they do it with a gun.

But that’s exactly what happened yesterday, authorities said, when a psychiatrist, Dr. Lee Silverman,  returned fire on a patient who had shot him in the head and had fatally shot a caseworker Theresa Hunt  at the Sister Marie Lenahan Mercy Wellness Center in Yeadon, Delaware County.

“Without a doubt, I believe the doctor saved lives,” Yeadon Police Chief Donald Molineux said. “If he [the doctor] wasn’t armed . . . this guy could have went out in the hallway and just walked down the offices until he ran out of ammunition.”

This DGU is making national news because it involved a doctor and a hospital. The psychotic patient involved had both a criminal record including firearm violations and a history of suicide attempts. How he obtained the pistol is not known but Pennsylvania has background checks on private sales of handguns.

Paul

Rachel- It is not incongruous for a doctor, one known for saving lives, to carry a gun. Those fighting for hospital carry should bookmark this story and pull it up as needed.

Rob- The hospital’s gun free zone was broken.  The doctor fixed it.  I wonder if the doc makes house-calls!  Please leave a comment at the hospital website to thank the doctor for saving lives.

Paul-

Listener John P ( not going to try to attempt the name it will get butchered) sent in this DGU story.

Reading straight from nbcconnecticut.com

Two brothers fought off and helped detain a 15-year-old armed intruder who tried to rob them early Wednesday morning in New London, police said.
A teen, wearing a hockey mask and carrying a knife and a loaded gun, invaded a home on Crystal Avenue just before 3 a.m. on Wednesday, according to police.
Richard and Kevin Dennis were asleep when the teen broke in, but woke up and acted quickly.
Richard went toward the teen.
“That’s when he hit me in the head with the gun. Then I picked him up and he started wailing on my back with the butt of the gun,” Richard said.
Kevin got a gun to help his brother, and told the teen to drop his weapon and stay still.
“I heard my brother say, ‘Kevin, I need help. He has a gun.’ When I heard that, (I) grabbed my gun and went flying through the door,” Kevin Dennis said.
The teen did drop his weapon.
“He dropped it the moment he saw me. I got mine. The fight was over. It was night and day,” Kevin Dennis said.
When police arrived, they arrested the intruder.
The teen was charged with home invasion, burglary, second-degree assault with a firearm, first-degree threatening and carrying a pistol without a permit. His name has not been released because of his age.The resident who was assaulted had minor injuries, but declined medical treatment, police said.

Rob- This was a 2:30 am burglary. I wonder about the toxicology report. This kid is lucky to be alive. Can you imagine if you saw an armed intruder in YOUR house? The homeowner showed a ton of restraint!

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Listener e-mail discussion

Ken in Arizona sent a second email about Target
Paul,

After hearing you read my Target email on the podcast, and following Gary’s comments about a business has the right to “ban” guns on their private property, I felt a need to further explain my position.

I know that Target’s policy is only a request for people to not carry their firearms inside their stores, just as Chipotle and Starbucks have “requested” the same. I could still legally concealed-carry in their stores. However, we are in the fight of our lives to keep our Constitutionally protected rights. (Note that I didn’t say “Constitutional rights”, there’s a big difference. But I digress.)

For a business to not be in complete support of our rights and to try to appease the PC/gun-grabbing/anti-freedom/Progressive crowd, just isn’t good enough any more in this struggle. We are, indeed, in the fight of our lives, the fight for our lives, and to accept and support a business that isn’t 100% with us is supporting our adversaries, if not completely, then at least partially. And partial support is still support, and just no good any more.

We need strong voices who publicly, loudly, and firmly state their support of The Constitution, and not voices who appease, compromise, equivocate, and preach “feel-good” fantasies and “reasonable” policies that make everyone happy and are “inclusive”, “reasonable”, and “common sense”.

It’s time for Truth, Justice, and The American Way. We’ve reached the time when nothing short of that will do.

Regards,
Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

Here’s extra comment that you can ignore. It’s just how I got here.

PS I am new to this cause and new to firearms. Sandy Hook is what woke me up. Why didn’t anyone stop the madman, I wondered. It was only Sandy Hook when I learned about “gun-free zones”. The insanity of such a policy was immediately obvious and distressing. They are a perfect way to make more victims. I discovered the entire shooting community and the other side of gun-ownership and gun-rights that I never knew existed, being a product of the mainstream media for 60 years. My ignorance was profound. My education has been eye-opening and equally as profound. My disgust with our “leaders” and the “4th Estate” is huge, and growing every day with my ongoing education. Thank goodness for new media, the internet, podcasts such as yours, and the time I have in retirement to devote to these issues. Unfortunately, most Americans are as I was for all those years, too busy to stray outside the mainstream, and therefore, brainwashed to the agenda of the powerful and omni-present mainstream media.

I see this fight we are in as one fueled by ignorance. Once people become educated, we will be back on the right track. It only took me a couple of months to counteract 60 years of learned ignorance. But our media and our politicians are not about education, so I’m not hopeful that our struggle will be over any time soon. As a digression, look at Common Core. Teach all the kids from the same playbook, and you limit ideas outside that playbook.

As another digression, look at the recent illegal immigration being encouraged by Washington and The White House. What better voting block than millions of new voters who don’t even speak the language. That’s a pretty clever way of keeping the voters ignorant. It’s criminal what they are doing. Keep fighting! Preserve, protect, and defend, indeed!
(Gee, I sound pretty radical, even to myself! Well, so be it.)

PPS I hope you keep us informed on the new doggies.

Rachel- The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that has seats available is September 13th and 14th in Culpepper Virginia. Also remember that in September is the couples class in Centerton Arkansas with Jon Hodoway.  Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I do.  I live in San Diego.  San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said he will protect us and we have no need to protect ourselves.  Somehow Sheriff Gore overlooked the thousand of crime victims in June.  As usual, most of the victims this month are unarmed and defenseless. Sheriff Bill Gore says he may not issue licenses to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense.  In contrast, many other California Sheriffs do exactly that.

Paul-? Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.