Episode 345 – Detroit Citizens Arming Themselves

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/345.mp3

Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Sean Sorrentino

Cornered Cat Quick Tip:

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

PAUL: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday August 23rd 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

JOHN: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Detroit’s police chief urging citizens to arm themselves.

RACHEL: I’m Rachel Malone and in one of our DGUs a 14-year-old successfully defends himself and his younger siblings.

SEAN: I’m Sean D. Sorrentino of GunBlog VarietyCast and I’ll be a guest co-host today.

GARY: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s… we have a story from Chicago… so climb aboard

SUE: strap in

JOHN : and hang on!

PAUL:  episode 345 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

GARY – What training do you have coming up? My next class is an Illinois FCCL certification course on September 19&20 for the full 16 hour course or Sunday the 20th for 8 hours if you meet the prerequisites. You can sign up on my website www.FirearmSI.com. Of course last weekend I was in the Cornered Cat class with the added bonus of a handgun retention class with DON STAHLNECKER

 

JOHN – The classes I teach at WCU started this week so I’ve been pretty busy with that. I did meet with a client yesterday and our conversation turned to guns. Turns out Tom qualified Expert with the M16A1 when he was a Combat Engineer in the Army Reserve in the 70s.

 

The class with Paul Carlson and Grant Cunningham in North Carolina tentatively scheduled for this fall that Doc Wesson and I were trying to put together is being put on hold. I think we may try for the Spring instead. Doc’s work schedule and not enough solid interest contributed to this.

 

RACHEL – my sister’s wedding yesterday. Still trying to catch up on sleep from the last few weeks and organize my life for this fall. Made all my reservations for GRPC! Got an email invitation to their range day event – is anyone else doing that? I might…

 

SEAN – I shot an IDPA match yesterday! I need a better ammo budget. That’s really a lot of fun.

 

PAUL – Cornered Cat class. Improved although I only did a bit of shooting on Sunday. Unlike Rob, I need to add more live fire. I found some things that make my grouping a LOT better.

 

BREAK

Seg 2- News

 

Chief Craig Effect: Detroit Citizens Arming Themselves In Face of Rising Crime Emailed in by Listener Anthony L

On the mean streets of Detroit, embattled citizens are arming themselves for their own protection with the approval and support of Police Chief James Craig. In a city plagued by crime, unemployment, shrinking police numbers and decades of single party rule, many of the remaining citizens are trying to take back their city. Handgun registrations and CCW permits have increased notably.  

 

“There’s definitely been a “Chief Craig” effect,” said Rick Ector, a firearms instructor, business owner, blogger and friend of this show. His support and endorsement has been helpful. Ector said that he and other instructors have seen a steady rise in locals looking to get a permit, to protect themselves either on the street or in their homes. Ector noted that legally armed residents are having an effect. “Home invasions have gone down,” he said. “A huge reason was that there was a huge spate of homeowners using their guns against intruders. More people have guns and it’s making burglars cautious.”

 

Rick said women are driving the growth in his business. “It used to be that we would only have one or two women in a class,” he said. “Now we are seeing much, much more. In the largely African-American city, residents are increasingly supportive of civilian armament. “If anyone should have the right or need to carry a gun, it should be the African-American community,” Philip Smith, founder of the National African American Gun Association, told Reuters.

 

Seems like this is one more lesson that can be learn from the rise and fall of Detroit. If only they were willing to listen.  

 

Sean – The real terror of this is the lack of control. Anti-gunners don’t want low crime, they want high control.

 

Rachel – I appreciate those who make the gun world much easier for women to enter and thrive in.

John – what threatens the gun controllers even more that it is African Americans

Paul – going to reach out to Rick Ector this week for next weekend’s show

An Alabama Sheriff just doesn’t get it

 

Russell County Sheriff Heath Taylor thinks that regardless of whether you qualify for a concealed carry permit that HE  should be the one who decides if you get it.  Taylor was quoted in a Breitbart piece saying that “We know things that the computer can’t tell us. We know things about our citizens. We know who’s going through a divorce. We know who’s in a bad time, who may be drinking too much, who may be abusive, but hasn’t necessarily crossed the line of a crime. But in our opinion, they don’t need a pistol permit” This following a theater shooting that we covered a few weeks ago where the gunman got a pistol despite several disqualifying factors that should have stopped him in the NICS check system. What the sheriff didn’t say is that the same things that should have stopped the gunman from getting a gun through NICS also would have allowed any sheriff to disallow the carry permit.

 

John – this makes me think of the NC sheriffs and the pistol permit system.

Sean – So he’s saying that he has a list of citizens he’s put on double secret probation?

Rachel – I know many people who would think this is a great idea. They don’t realize that this line of thinking will come back to bite them….and their grandkids.

Gary – They are doing this in Illinois, we are shall issue but any law enforcement agency can deny permits.

Paul –

Sean – Judge

 

Gabby Giffords and Starman Kelly Redefine Gun Control as Gun Responsibility

In an Orwellian redefinition of the term, Gabby Gifford and her opportunistic husband Mark “Starman” Kelly are claiming that they are not supporters of ‘gun-control’, but rather favor ‘gun responsibility’. Despite never meeting a gun-control effort they didn’t like, they now say they do not support ‘gun-control’ in the traditional sense of the phrase. With a profound grasp of the obvious, Kelly said that nobody likes to be controlled. He went on to say that the gun control group he and Giffords launched simply supports “basic principles” to keep communities safer.

 

This is an indication of the success the gun-rights community has earned; the term “gun-control’ now has a negative connotation with most of the public. The terms gun-safety and now gun-responsibility are simply efforts to get around the public’s evolving understanding. Giffords and Kelly’s statement is a nuanced, and deceitful, acknowledgement of our gains.  

 

As Kurt Schlichter said to the antis; “Screw You”.  Giffords and Kelly are urged to again substitute a word.   

 

Gary –  Government forcing ‘Gun Responsibility’ IS ‘Gun Control’

John – I’m reminded of our interview with Jeff Knox regarding the VA and SSA. Shouldn’t Gabby Giffords actually be a prohibited person due to brain injuries.

Gary –

Paul – unfortunately I saw in the news this week that Giffords has had a US Navy ship named after her. I think that it is unfortunate that a ship made for fighting is named for a person who is against our rights.

Sean –  Gun Ban, Gun Control, Gun Safety, Gun Responsibility: You can say poop, feces, or night soil, but no matter what you call it, it tastes just the same .

Rachel- this is true Sean, but it’s also true that those who control the narrative have a significant edge. Maybe we’ve successfully given gun “control” a negative connotation…let’s also make sure we’re the ones who successfully define gun responsibility.

 

Break

 

Senators Ask For Extra-legal Delay of Firearms Purchases

In a coordinated anti-rights assault, thirteen anti-gun U.S. senators have asked Bass Pro Shops and Cabela’s to refuse to release firearms to customers whose background checks aren’t completed within three business days. Michael Bloomberg’s Demanding Mommies is also making the same demand of Gander Mountain and Sportsman’s Warehouse. And, U.S. Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) and Brady Campaign president Dan Gross urged the same from firearm dealers nationwide. Thankfully, the retailers have so far not responded to the demands.

The largely ineffective Brady Handgun Violence Act of 1993 requires initial background checks to be completed within three business days. The three day limit is there so as to not violate the Second Amendment toooooo much. If the automated check is not completed in time, the retailer is allowed to release the firearm. If granted, these extralegal requests would deny a fundamental right as the result of bureaucratic delay. The threat of deliberate delays is clear.

 

We applaud the retailer’s decision to resist the pressures of the legislators and activists. We support those that support us.  

John – I have just three little words for these retailers – Smith. And. Wesson. They should remember what happened S&W when they entered an agreement with the Clinton Administration.

Sean – The 3 day limit was put there on purpose…

Rachel- everybody, do your part. Be proactive in getting to retailers and encouraging them to support our rights.

Gary- I carry these

Sean – No Secret boycotts

John – Delta and their ban on trophies

 

AMERICANS SUBDUE GUNMAN ON FRENCH TRAIN

One serves in the Air Force, another recently served in Afghanistan in the National Guard, another is studying physical therapy in Sacramento – and these 3 Americans are being hailed as heroes for tackling & disarming a gunman they happened to encounter on a high-speed Amsterdam-Paris train.

Air Force serviceman Spencer Stone remained hospitalized Saturday after being stabbed, though the Pentagon said the injury was not life-threatening. another passenger was wounded by a handgun in the attack.

The French Interior Minister said the American “were particularly courageous and showed great bravery in very difficult circumstances.

The attacker did not fire his automatic weapon but did wound one man with a handgun and another with a blade. The suspect is a 26-year-old Moroccan.

It’s unclear whether there was a political motive to the gunman’s actions. Counterterrorism police are leading the investigation and are questioning the attacker,

 

Sean – Let’s not forget the fourth member of our band of “have a go heroes,” a

Gary – I have to quote the NRA “Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns”

 

Paul – A reminder that it is weren’t for the French in the 1770’s we would likely still have a monarch

 

Gun Quotes

 

“#Black Rifles Matter” — Michael Bane

 

It doesn’t require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires to people’s minds. — Samuel Adams

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Sean D. Sorrentino of the GunBlog VarietyCast

 

How did you come up with idea for your podcast?

Do you have a particular focus such as gun rights or training?

 

Did you have trouble getting gun bloggers to agree to record segments for the show?

 

Bio-Break

Segment 4 DGUs

 

14 Year Old Defends Siblings From Home Invaders

Faced with two home invaders, a 14 year old did everything he had to do: He hid his six year old twin siblings in closets, got his father’s cell phone…. and he grabbed his rifle.  When one of the intruders opened the closet where he was hiding, the thug found himself not facing the expected frightened child, but the muzzle of the young man’s firearm. “I had my gun loaded and ready to shoot, but when he saw me he just took off running,” young Andrew Mason related. Andrew’s father said “He’s excellent. He did everything perfectly. He couldn’t have done better, and he’s actually a hero,”

 

The proud papa had done pretty well himself. Kiewa Mason recounted that “I believe in the right to bear arms, and it’s not like he was foreign to it. We go to the shooting range quite often. We go to the Clark County (Las Vegas) shooting range quite often. Kiewa Mason said his family has practiced for this scenario.


The two thugs were videoed by the home’s security system. They are well known to the neighborhood and are expected to be arrested soon.

Our congratulations to the two Mason men; Well done, well done indeed.

 

Rachel – gun safety storage, authorized use

Gary – Similar law here in Illinois.

Paul – Good on the father for teaching the child that once someone is running away not to shoot.

 

Sean – Something jumps out at me when I look at a picture of the young man with the rifle.

 

Four Teenagers Shoot Homeowner and at Wife Holding a Six Month Old Baby

In a bone-chilling reminder of why we arm ourselves, a Georgia family had to endure the nightmare of a home invasion by four armed men.  Michael Lash answered a teen’s plea for the loan of a car jack. Once the door was opened, four males forced their way inside. In the fracas, Lash was shot twice in the legs. The thugs then fired at his wife holding their six-month-old daughter. The shot fortunately missed. Their two year old son was unharmed in the incident.

 

Whitney Lash was talking to a 911 operator before the first shots rang out. However, the cops arrived far too late to apprehend the suspects, who remain at large. The horrifying 911 recording can be found at the link in the show notes.      

Listeners are reminded to NEVER open the door to someone they do not know. If they appear official, confirm their identity by a call to their organization. And please take heed of the many stories we present of armed homeowners successfully defending their lives with a firearm.

 

Gary – Four invaders and they want to limit our magazine capacity to 7 or 10 rounds.

Sean – Locked screen door. Barriers between you and intruders.

Sean – Pretext

 

Defensive Gun Use: Shop Owner Refuses To Be Robbed, Takes Robber’s Gun And Shoots Him With It

 

Andrew Hepburn was lucky when two robbers entered his CAD Auto Parts in Fort Lauderdale, FL. Lucky because he was able to take away one of robbers’ guns and use it to defend himself.

 

Conrad Bloomfield, 36, of Lauderhill and his accomplice entered Hepburn’s auto parts shop and demanded he get on the ground while they began robbing the shop. When Hepburn was slow to get on the ground, Bloomfield began to pistol whip him. It was then that Hepburn took the robber’s gun and turned it on him. He ended up shooting Bloomfield 5 times in the chest. The accomplice did wound Hepburn in the exchange of gunfire. Fortunately, Hepburn is expected to have a full recovery while Bloomfield is in critical condition.

 

John – this is another story illustrating why you need to be armed.

Sean – Saw this video

Rachel- fighting is a mindset: the will to survive

Paul – never give up if you still have consciousness

 

Defensive Gun Use of the Day: More Chicago CCW Success

 

Ever since Illinois became the last state in the country to allow concealed carry, we’ve seen reports of legally-armed citizens defending themselves against armed criminals. Here is another one of those stories that happened late Thursday. A 24-year-old man, legally carrying a concealed firearm, was walking down the street with a woman when two suspects approached them with a handgun and announced that they were being robbed . . .

As a response, the 24-year-old drew his firearm, as did one of the armed thugs. Both men fired. The permit holder was shot in the leg, while the suspect was shot in the chest.

Both were taken to the same hospital where the permit holder is in stable condition. The suspect, however, is in critical condition and, if he makes it through his injuries, will be facing numerous charges.

Paul – shot placement

Sean – What constitutes a “Win?”

Rachel- too often, it’s not about the wallet. That may be the pretext, but things can escalate quickly.

Paul – I carry 2 wallets

Rachel- there’s always the wallet holster…

Sean – I ain’t here for no gunfight

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Segment 5 Show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Our first email is from Chris in North Carolina

 

Hey All,

(Caution! wall of text below.  Feel free to edit as necessary for brevity as desired)

I have been meaning to drop you one of those oh-so coveted fan emails for a while now but marriage, a new job, and moving to North Carolina got in the way of things.  I wanted to express my appreciation to everyone for all the time and effort put into the show each week. Those of you on air and those who work behind the scenes (I’m talking about you Charlie Foxtrot) are doing amazing work.  I eagerly anticipate the release of each show.  I savor the knowledgeable,
insightful and sometimes irreverent commentary you and your guests provide.  You are my go-to podcast for my short commute each day.

I am a native born Minnesotan so a comment in episode 343 caught my attention.  You mentioned a very wise hesitancy to render aid to the aggressor in a DGU that happened in Minnesota.  I know Paul travels through the “California of the north” so I thought I’d mention this.
Some states have laws with severe penalties that may be interpreted to require you to foolishly put your life in danger a second time and render aid if you’ve used deadly force to stop someone threatening your life.

Of course there are conditional statements in the verbiage of the law making use of what I like to call “lawyer speak” (a.k.a. weasel words) that can be interpreted to allow you to not rendering physical aid if you are still in fear of your life.  However, as we have seen there is a concerted effort by the media and most liberals to misinterpret these passages in a way that is NOT advantageous to a victim who chooses to defend themselves.  The _potential_ exists that you may be prosecuted for not going beyond calling the cleanup crew to help someone who just tried to kill you.

I personally believe no person should ever be required by the power of the state to do more than call the police and let the trained professionals approach a violent offender.  Depending on the prosecutor you could be at risk if you do not.  Here is a link to the statute .  I hope this helps people make an informed decision if they should ever have to do the unsavory duty of defending themselves or loved ones.  https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.662

P.S. I’m sure John is wondering, yes for the time being, I do live in Cary, the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees.

Sincerely,

Chris in North Carolina
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Sean – Welcome to the Massachusetts of Dixie

Paul – MAG 40

Sean – Law of Self

John – In other words, you don’t have to be Minnesota Nice to a criminal.

 

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Next up is Bud who sent this one in

 

I really enjoy listening to The Polite Society Podcast.  I listen every week and always check for new podcasts during the week.  The DGU’s are very interesting and there are only a couple of gun shows that even discuss items like this.  As much as I enjoy the show, I do have a couple of suggestions for making it even more interesting.

 

I would love to hear you have Dr. John Lott on the show and just let him discuss facts about gun deaths, crimes and state laws in America.  It seems like every time someone has Dr. Lott on their show they only allow him to answer specific questions and then rush him to provide an answer.  I always get the feeling that he had much much more to discuss, but show times didn’t allow him to speak.

 

If the show time doesn’t allow for Dr. Lott to discuss the details of his research, then make the time, extend the length of the show or make it a two or three part series.  I’m sure that other subscribers/listeners are just as interested in his research as I am and this would provide a lot of information for gun owners to use in conversations with those on the fence about guns.  I think that Massod Ayoob would be just as interesting. *** Just ask them a question or two to get the conversation started and then turn them loose.

 

Another guest that I’d love to hear from is someone like Michael Bloomberg or the leader of Mothers Against whatever. **  It would be interesting to hear just how people like this think and/or process information.  I wouldn’t allow them to misstate the facts about guns, as a matter of fact it would be good to hear how they actually handle the facts.

 

These are just suggestions about shows that I believe would be highly listened to podcasts and quite possibly make national news that could put “The Polite Society Podcast” in the must listen to podcasts of many people.

 

Thank you,

Bud

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John – We have had Dr. Lott on the show a while back. Perhaps it is time to get him on again.

Sean – GET GAIL!

Rachel- Wanna find out “how they actually handle the facts”? Sounds like they handle facts by avoidance…ignorance is bliss?

 

John – I’d love to have Shannon Watts on to explain why she opposes campus carry when her daughter goes to  a school where they have campus carry.

 

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We also got an email from Clayton

 

Hey folks, I heard y’all begging for emails so I decided to pipe up and educate you a bit.
While Minnesota did drop several states from our recognized reciprocity, (we only recognize permits that include live fire in the class qualification) we have been making large breakthroughs in pro gun legislation. We are moving in the right direction at a pretty good pace! While California is sliding deeper and deeper in the opposite direction.
We have no magazine capacity limit, no ammo purchase limit, no limit on number of firearms carried, our permit allows rifle and shotgun carry, no thumb safety requirement, no god forsaken bullet buttons, and we can even carry guns in the woods without a permit.
(It literally says “in the woods” in the statute. Ha) There are A LOT of hunters here.

 

 

Minnesota just legalized suppressors, hunting with them, and stripped the government from the ability to confiscate weapons during a declared emergency. (We didn’t even know they had that power since we have no earthquakes or hurricanes! Apparently a legislator snuck it in around May)
We stripped the requirement to notify the Capitol of intention to carry on grounds too. There is no language in our laws about open or concealed for our carry, so I like to open carry for comfort, speed, and to be a pleasantly polite ambassador to the public for responsibly armed citizens like us.

I know those are common things for Southerners but I just wanted to remind you we aren’t as Liberal as the “Twin Cities” want you to believe. We have nearly 200,000 issued permits here and it’s growing fast.
I’m proud to be an NRA member, (an unnamed organization) permit to carry instructor, and (an unnamed number of) guns owner!

 

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John – Now why doesn’t MN recognize NC because we meet their class and shooting requirements.

 

Gary – Rob can’t be with us but he is still writing. He posted yesterday about the train shooting in France. You can see that post at https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/ John you have a new post this week right?

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Sean for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time? Rachel: yes! I’m back in the swing of things!  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Sue: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 344 – The ATF Thumbs Their Nose at FOIA Requests

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/344.mp3

Pre-show announcement:

Open and Personal News Segment: 

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest David Cole

Interview Segment 2: Guest Paul Valone

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  We’re recording on Sunday, August 19th, 2015.  I’m Rachel Malone.

Melody: I’m guest host Melody Lauer.  Today we talk with David Cole about sport hunting and gun confiscation.  Yes, they want your guns.

Amber: I’m guest host Amber Kunau.  We interview Paul Valone of Grass Roots North Carolina about new gun laws.  North Carolina is a better state for gun owners after the passage of House Bill 562.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Second Amendment Foundation and Calguns suing the city of San Jose.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives said it is not a government agency so it does not have to answer a freedom of information request.

Melody: Really?

Rob: Really

Melody: so climb aboard

Amber: strap in

John : and hang on!

Rachel:  episode 344 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal gun news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I left my day job so I could focus on the moving to Louisiana.  I’ve been working every day for the last month.. so yesterday I took time to go shoot my glock 19.  Now I need to dry practice. I go make noise at the range when I want to feel better about my shooting. I dry practice in silence when I want to be a better shot. On Monday I was on the Lock and Load Radio program with Bill Frady.   I wrote and read news for Kenn Blanchard at Black Man with a Gun.  I’d like to thank our listeners.  We had more downloads in the last thirty day than we had in the entire first year of the podcast.  This week we had our biggest download day ever.

 

How was your week, John?

 

John- Not too much gun related news this week. As many people know, I teach financial planning as an adjunct instructor at a local university. I spent a day on campus going to meetings and getting stuff ready for my first class on Monday. Teaching these classes gives me some found spending money to use for Second Amendment related activities. So you might say the anti-gun University of North Carolina system is paying for me to go to Phoenix for GRPC – they just don’t know it!

 

What’s your news, Amber?

 

Amber-  Your gun news.  (Mention where our listeners can find your classes, your writing…)

Took my mom shooting.  She went from being afraid of guns.. to wanting to buy one.  She already has her Wisconsin CCW.

Amber: Melody, what have you been doing?

 

Melody- Your gun news  (cheap purses need to die?) (Mention where our listeners can find your classes, your writing…)  Limatunesrangediaries.

 

Melody- Rachel, you’ve been away from the show for a while, and I understand you do a lot of first aid/ first responder training too?

 

Rachel- I have a lot of medic friends, and a lot of friends interested in wilderness survival, including medical training. I join them for training sometimes, and I run logistics for the medical training events that they teach, so I’ve picked up a lot from them.

 

My news:

  • Academy 31 gun class for 15 girls, many beginners
  • bought a new gun – S&W shield
  • Michael Adam memorial service
  • Zombie Run is canceled/Battle Road ended
  • going to Pecos Run & Gun in the Sun as a range officer in September

 

Rachel- That wraps up our personal news segment.  We’ll be back with more news after this message.

 

Break

Seg 2- News

 

John The  US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives claims that the Freedom of Information Act does not apply to them.  They said the ATF was not a government agency.  Attorney David Hardy from Tucson and his client Len Savage asked for copies of the ATF’s internal documents.  Savage wanted written copies of agency guidelines describing which firearms are legal and which are prohibited.  The ATF said they don’t have to tell.

 

Rob- I wonder if the judge will believe that I’m not a human so I don’t owe taxes.

Rachel- walks like a human, talks like a human.

 

Rob Edward Rodriguez suffered a schizophrenic episode.  His wife called police.  The police declared that Edward could be a danger to himself or others.  Then the San Jose police hospitalized Mr. Rodrigues for a psychiatric evaluation.  On the suspicion of his mental illness, police also seized Misses Rodriguez  firearms.  The San Jose police later refused to return the firearms and moved to permanently confiscate them.

 

The Second Amendment Foundation and the Calguns Foundation filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court on behalf of Lori Rodriguez challenging San Jose, the San Jose police department, and the officers who seized her firearms under the state’s Welfare and Institutions code.

 

President of the Second Amendment Foundation, Alan Gottlieb, said  “The City of San Jose or any other California jurisdiction simply cannot be allowed to seize someone’s legally-owned property because of the actions of a spouse or some other third party.  We have looked at the state code and have serious concerns about the policies and procedures in San Jose. Lori Rodriguez should get her firearms returned.”

 

“The San Jose city attorney acknowledged that Lori Rodriguez could go out and buy more firearms because she is not a prohibited person.  We think she should get her own firearms returned, and that this continued deprivation of her property needs to stop immediately.”

 

The lawsuit seeks to compel the city to return firearms to Rodriguez, to pay damages and court costs. They also seek an injunction against the city and the police department to prevent future violations.  http://www.courts.ca.gov/opinions/nonpub/H040317.PDF

 

Rachel Also from California, the California Governor signed a bill backed by both political parties.  The new law should prevent unfair gun seizures and defend the rights of gun owners.  The law allows a person subject to a gun violence restraining order to transfer their firearms to a licensed dealer for safekeeping, rather than turn them in to police.  The bill passed with a unanimous vote in both the California House and Senate.  The recent california gun violence restraining order bill has been called the “turn in your neighbor” law.

 

The bill was sponsored by Southern California Assemblywoman Melissa A. Melendez from Lake Elsinore.  She said, “Today, we witnessed a rare victory for gun owners across California.  By allowing a trustworthy alternative for gun owners to maintain possession of their firearms, we are preventing any unjustified gun grab against those who may be unfairly targeted by bogus allegations.”

 

Even a gun owner convicted of a felony still has the right to sell off their gun collection and state law should be modified to accept that.  Assembly Bill 950 will take effect Jan. 1, 2016

 

Melody Our next story comes from Marlboro, Maryland.  Barvetta Singletary works in the White House. She is a special assistant to President Barack Obama and an acting House legislative affairs liaison. Singletary was also dating a Capitol police officer.. until she took his gun and shot at him.  

 

You and I would have legal charges stacked to the moon.  I’m thinking attempted murder, grand theft, possession of an unregistered firearm, negligent discharge of a firearm in a public place, brandishing, reckless endangerment and assault on a police officer.

 

If that makes sense to you, then you’re wrong too.  Miss Barvetta Singletary was charged with a single count of attempted domestic violence.

 

Rob Comment-

 

John- Remember that this is the same white house who says that you as a private citizen act irresponsibly and only the police and government should have guns.  Yikes.

 

Rob Leaving southern Maryland, this next story comes from nearby Washington DC.  The District of Columbia government agreed to pay 75 thousand dollars in legal fees to attorney Alan Gura.  Gura successfully challenged the District’s prohibition on carrying firearms in public for self-defense.  

 

U.S. District Court Judge Frederick Scullin Junior struck down the city’s ban on concealed carry.   That was two years ago.  Judge Scullin also rejected DC’s request  to reconsider the case.  Gura originally asked the court for about 50 thousand dollars in fees, but he continued to bill as the District contested Scullin’s ruling.  

 

The district of columbia has already paid Gura 1.5 million dollars for the Heller case brought to the US Supreme court.

 

John Then there is Seattle where the City Council unanimously approved a new tax on the sale of firearms and ammunition.  The council adopted the tax that was modeled after a similar measure in Cook County, Illinois.  The tax adds $25 for each firearm sale, plus 5 cents per round.

Human-rights activists promised to sue on the grounds that the city doesn’t have the authority to impose the measures.  Sergey Solyanik, owner of a Seattle gun shop called Precise Shooter, told the council the tax would simply prompt customers to travel to nearby cities to buy guns.  He said, “The only real purpose of this legislation is to run gun stores out of Seattle.”

 

Rob- There is firearms law preemption in Washington State.

 

Rachel- Does your church have a shooting range?  The Rocky Mount United Methodist Church in Jemison, Alabama has one now. It started as an overgrown gully behind the church, but now it is the site of firearms safety training for church members and for police proficiency exercises.  The police also it to teach civilian safety classes.  

 

Pastor Phillip Guin said “We had quite a number of church members.. that had purchased guns, but didn’t know how to use them.  Churches say a lot about gun safety, but why not do something about it?”

 

It took a few years, but the safety training morphed into the Rocky Mount Hunt and Gun Club as a way to try and bring more members to the church.  Quoting the pastor again as he pointed at the red clay backstop,

 

“”We wanted to come up with some different ideas to help our church grow, and we thought this would be a unique ministry to offer to the community.  Really, the whole purpose of this range is to provide recreational and gun safety in a warm, loving, Christian environment.  Who’s to say that church can’t happen right here.

 

The police have another training course scheduled on the range in October.

 

comment- Paul Markel talked about Faith and the Patriot last week.  Paul said christians should not be pacifists.  Before that, we had Jeff and Robyn Street on the show.  They offer free firearms training classes at their church on Tuesday nights.

 

comment – this is remarkable given the UMC Gen Conf has statements backing gun control. They have also called for all UMC churches to be gun free zones.

 

comment (Rachel)- I have mixed feelings…

 

comment (Melody)– steak and shoot

 

comment( Rob) I was drawn to the firearms community by a local church that pulls fathers and sons out to the desert for their Desert Shoot Out.

 

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Rachel We saw police retreat in the recent burning of Baltimore as they left “room to riot”.  We saw Ferguson, Missouri burn a year ago.  This last week, Oath keepers refuse to let Ferguson burn again.  Heavily armed and armored members of oath keepers were standing on the streets of Ferguson during the anniversary of the riots. They protected journalists and property owners.

 

It is legal to open-carry arms in Missouri if you have your concealed carry permit.. and the Oath Keepers did.  They also had a background as military police and first responders.  Despite their qualifications, Saint Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar described the Oath Keepers‘ presence as “both unnecessary and inflammatory.”

 

Melody The Oath Keepers were not alone in being an armed presence in Ferguson.  The Ferguson Market and Liquor Store was looted twice last year.  This year the employees were armed with shotguns and handguns.  On the anniversary of the Ferguson riots, they let customers into the store, allowing only one or two at a time.  Video shows store employees standing inside the store with shotguns held at the low ready.  Later that night, there were shots fired down the street and the crowd moved toward the market. Armed employees standing outside the store directed the crowd away.  There were no shots or injuries.. and the market was open as usual the next day.

 

Rob A former county judge was sentenced for selling at least 60 guns without a license.  Some of the guns went south into Mexico. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Western District of Texas announced Friday that Judge Timothy L. Wright was sentenced to 18 months in federal prison and $15,000 in fines as part of a plea agreement.  He pled to dealing in firearms without a license and making false statements to federal agents. Judge Wright had been warned by ATF agents last September not to engage in the business of selling guns until he obtained a federal firearms license. While Wright did indeed file for an FFL, but he continued buying and reselling guns while waiting for his license to go through.  He made straw gun purchases for third party buyers.  After the judge received his FFL, he made at least three private sales to felons who were prohibited possessors.

 

Comment- tell me again that the government is here to help me and ignorance of the law is no excuse.

 

John We have some great news from Michigan.  Michigan has strong laws preempting local branches of government from writing their own firearms laws.  A Genesee County judge ruled a father can openly carry his pistol inside his daughter’s elementary school.  Circuit Judge Archie Hayman ruled in favor of Kenneth Herman and gun rights advocacy group Michigan Open Carry.  Ken Herman’s daughter goes to a local elementary school.  Herman filed a lawsuit against the School District because he was told to leave the school while trying to pick up his daughter.  Herman was openly carrying his pistol.

 

The school district went further and declared all of its properties to be a weapons-free zone.  The district sought to have the lawsuit dismissed.   They argued that state law allows districts to enact policies to safeguard students and, therefore, allows them to institute firearm bans.

 

Michigan state law allows people with concealed pistol licenses to openly carry their firearms in schools.  The judge agreed with Mister Herman and Michigan open carry saying the ability to create local weapon policies is beyond the district’s authority.

 

Rob Comment- A citizen can carry on school property if they have a concealed carry permit.  Concealed carriers can also open carry.  Therefore a concealed carrier can open carry as they pick up their child at school.  I see that it is legal.  Is this the way to win hearts and minds?

 

Comment- Open carry was necessary in order to force a lawsuit against the school’s self-imposed gun free zones.

Rob- Open carry in Louisiana.

 

Rachel Gun Buybacks In Boston A Failure Boston Mayor Martin Walsh started a gun buyback program when he got into office. The plan offers those who turn over guns to the police a gift card with values ranging from $100 to $200. It appears that the people of Boston are smarter than their mayor gives them credit.

 

So far in 2015, the number of guns turned in for a gift card is one. That contrasts with last year when 400 firearms were exchanged for gift cards. Perhaps the people of Boston understand that they need to protect themselves. This year to date there have been 136 non-fatal shootings. This is a 43% increase over the prior year.

 

Despite Mayor Walsh saying that the city needs to redouble its efforts on the gun buyback program, it would appear that the people of Boston recognize the effort as having no impact on the reduction of crime.

 

John- Alex, I’d like to buy home made pipe guns for $100

 

Rob – You know the song says one is the loneliest number. Let’s hope it stays that way.

 

For those of you in the New Jersey Area, the New Jersey Second Amendment society is collecting signatures to recall senate president Steve Sweeney.  They are working the next two weekends.  Please lend them a hand.

August 22  http://www.recallsweeney.com/recall_sweeney_signature_gathering

August 29 http://www.recallsweeney.com/recall_sweeney_signature_gathering_20150829

 

LInks are in our show notes

 

comment- and on facebook.

 

comment- at at NJ2AS.com

 

Melody Gun Quotes That leads us right into our quote this week.  “The freedom enjoyed by any society rests not on the Constitution or the bill of rights, but on the willingness of ordinary people to stand up for themselves.”  That is by author Lee Harris.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interviews of David Cole and Paul Valone.

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Segment 3 Interviews

David ColeDave Cole joins us to talk about his article- wake up for fudds.

A “Fudd” is a gun owner who only owns hunting guns, and believes that by sacrificing the more “tactical” style of firearms to gun control, his deer rifles and his duck guns will be left alone. If this describes you, I’d just like to ask you a question: Do any of you watch the news? Are you paying ANY attention at all?

 

Type “Cecil the Lion” into your search engine.  Go ahead and read some of the news stories, and better yet, read the comments. Once you’ve seen the vitriol and insanity surrounding this topic, come back here and tell me that you really believe that your hunting guns are safe. Tell me that the people making these comments believe you have any right to hunt and by extension, the guns you hunt with.

 

We’ve seen a huge public condemnation of female hunters like Kendal Jones and Regis Giles.  They are lightning rods for the hate of anti-hunters.

http://blackmanwithagun.com/a-wake-up-for-fudds

 

Paul Valone of Grass Roots North Carolina re house bill 562

 

Paul Valone is the President of Grass Roots North Carolina which is one of the most effective state-level Second Amendment organizations in the country. Paul, Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast.

 

  1. House Bill 562, euphemistically called the Second Amendment Affirmation Act, was recently signed into law by Gov. Pat McCrory. Could you first tell us what we as gun owners won in the bill?
  2. Now for the downside – two of the major parts of the original bill were a patient privacy component and the end to the Jim Crow-era pistol purchase permit system. Both were eliminated on amendments from Republicans. What, in your opinion, was responsible for this?
  3. Gun ban organizations such as Bloomberg’s Everytown, Gabby Gifford’s Americans for Responsible Solutions, and the Brady Campaign were dead set on the elimination of the pistol purchase permit system and claimed victory when they weren’t eliminated. Did they really get a victory or was it more the power of the sheriffs’ lobby? Can this be used against the opponents of the bill?
  4. Where do we go from here? It has been mentioned that there will be primary challenges to some of those Republicans who voted to keep the pistol purchase permit system.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Carrying a firearm isn’t easy.  Consider the conflicting advice given by law enforcement officials after these three events.

 

Rachel 1- A Charlotte North Carolina homeowner came home to find two thieves in his house.  It was mid afternoon and the homeowner shot one of the intruders before the thieves fled.  A neighbor told police where one suspect was hiding.  The other suspect drove away.. and crashed his car due to loss of blood.  Both suspects are now in police custody.

 

Ho, hum, just another defensive gun use, but I’ve saved the best part.  The Charlotte Mecklenburg police announced this advice if you find an intruder.  You should never fight back. Their biggest piece of advice, do not resist or frighten the criminals.

 

John- Charlotte lives up to its reputation.. again!

 

John 2- Louisiana sheriff’s deputies responded to a domestic violence call.  They found the back door of the home smashed in and the body of 45-year-old Monica Butler Johnson in the back yard.  She had been beaten to death.  Mrs. Johnson worked through the legal system to protect herself from her estranged husband. She obtained a restraining order last month.

 

Ascension Parish Sheriff Jeff Wiley said this murder case shows the limits of our legal system to protect victims, and that he can not protect victims 24/7.

 

Quoting the sheriff- “ Get your concealed weapons permit. Learn how to safely handle a weapon, learn how to safely store a weapon, and when you’re in a situation like this shoot him in your back yard before he gets in your house. Drop him. I mean, I’m serious. Take the extremes necessary to live a life where you don’t have to worry about your kids and your life.”

 

Ascension Parish District Attorney Ricky Babin also released a statement.  “The State of Louisiana has a statute in place for justifiable homicide. It states that a homicide is justifiable when committed in self defense by one who reasonably believes that he is in imminent danger of losing his life or receiving great bodily harm.

 

Rob- That doesn’t sound like Charlotte.

 

Melody 3- This doesn’t sound like Alabama either, but it is.  A Birmingham police detective was pistol-whipped with his own firearm.  He was beaten until he lost consciousness.   He hesitated to use force because he didn’t want to be accused of needlessly killing an unarmed man.  Quote “I hesitated because I didn’t want to be in the media like I am right now.”  The six-year police veteran said he didn’t shoot the man who attacked him during a traffic stop because of the critical news coverage following recent police shootings.

 

Rob- this matters.  A patrol officer carries different equipment than a detective.  An officer might have pepper spray, a wand, a tazer, his duty weapon and maybe a backup gun.  He has the ability to escalate his use of force.  The detective isn’t equipped that way.  He is one gun and done.

 

Comment- the detective is equipped more like a private citizen.

 

comment- Those are three divergent views of justifiable self-defense.  That is why the knowledge of your local law enforcement is important.  What do the local prosecutors think.. and should you be actively involved in electing better district attorneys?

 

Rachel Comment- Those are extreme examples.  The officials who advocated pacifism are at odds with officers on the street.  More than 91 percent of the officers who answered a poll at Police One supported concealed carry by civilians because it reduces crime.

 

John Comment- this is a serious question.  You can buy firearms owner’s insurance, but some of the plans won’t pay you unless you actually shoot someone.  That means you could have to pay for the lawsuit if you only draw your weapon and don’t pull the trigger.  I bring this up because Target department stores are suing the four heroes who stopped a crazy man from stabbing a teenage girl inside a Target store.  Listener Jacob Lee brought that story to our attention.

 

Comment- These stories of defensive gun use are supposed to make us think.. and I have to think about insurance.

 

Rob Fortunes change quickly in Las Vegas.  A man and his date arrived at their apartment complex after dark.  That’s when three men approached the couple.  The men held the couple at gunpoint and demanded the woman’s purse.  The couple stepped from their car, and rather than give up the woman’s purse, the man pulled a firearm of his own.  He shot the armed thief.  The thief’s two accomplices ran from the scene.  The thief later died at a local hospital.

 

News crews interviewed neighbors in the apartment complex the next day.  One neighbor said she’d already visited a gun store to get a firearm of her own.

 

Rachel This next article is sent in by listener Scott.  A man in the Dallas, Texas area was at home with his two children.  He was startled when two men broke through the side door of the home with a pry bar.

 

The homeowner said he was scared until he saw two men walking through his home.  The homeowner grabbed his rifle.  quote “I stood there and shot him. And, as I shot him, his friend pushed him down on the ground and ran out.” close quote

Both thieves escaped, but the wounded thief called 911 asking for help.  Police are ready with a warrant for his arrest, when the thief is released from a local hospital.

 

The homeowner said, he did what came naturally.  “I was just thinking to protect my family and protect myself, and that’s what I did today.  I got my 8-month-old little boy here.”

 

Rob- One thief tripped his friend to make

 

John Marcel Dixon is 21 years old.  He pointed a handgun at an older man on the streets of Wilmington, Delaware.  Dixon threatened to kill the older man and then opened fire.  He missed.  The victim drew his licensed handgun and shot back.  Dixon fled.  The victim notified police.

 

Dixon soon arrived at the hospital with a gunshot wound to the leg.  He was charged with first-degree reckless endangerment, possession of a firearm by a person prohibited, and carrying a concealed deadly weapon.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  We also have the audio verson of each individual segment for you.  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

Rob- Before we go to e-mail, we received some feedback on our stories of defensive gun use.  A firearms instructor played our DGUs for his students.. and then asked them how they would respond if they were in the same situations.  Could they get to their firearm in the middle of the night?  Could they present their gun while driving?  Did they have a flashlight near their bed, or could they lock their bedroom door?  Had they practiced shooting in low light without their glasses?

 

Melody- Those questions gave me some homework.

 

Rachel- We’ll be back with listener e-mail after this break.

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

John We received an e-mail from Liston Matthews.  We had Liston on last episode and he offered this correction.

 

Quote- I had one fact wrong in our interview, and want to correct the record. I mentioned that it is a felony to carry into a prohibited area in Tennessee. That is only partially correct. The felony charge applies only to government buildings, to government schools and to private schools.

 

It is a misdemeanor charge for carrying in other prohibited areas, with the maximum fine being $500.00.

Thanks again,

Liston

 

Rachel- Listener Marty Kutolow sent in this comment about the social security administration and the veterans administration labeling people as mentally defective if they don’t manage their own finances.

 

Marty writes- Well, I’d imagine DeNiro and Trump and a whole slew of current CCW holders in New York City don’t manage their own finances.  They all have business managers who do that mundane stuff like paying the rent.

Guess they’ll lose their gun rights.  No?

 

Thanks, Marty.

Comment- Laws made for the rich, and separate laws for us.

 

Rob- Listener Clayton sent us this message.

Hey folks, I heard y’all begging for emails so I decided to pipe up and educate you a bit.

Minnesota did drop several states from our recognized reciprocity.  We only recognize permits that include live fire in the class qualification.  We have been making large breakthroughs in pro-gun legislation. We are moving in the right direction at a pretty good pace!

 

We have no magazine capacity limit, no ammo purchase limit, no limit on number of firearms carried, our permit allows rifle and shotgun carry, no thumb safety requirement, no god forsaken bullet buttons, and we can even carry guns in the woods without a permit.  (It literally says “in the woods” in the statute. Ha) There are A LOT of hunters here.

 

Minnesota just legalized suppressors, hunting with them, and stripped the government from the ability to confiscate weapons during a declared emergency. (We didn’t even know they had that power since we have no earthquakes or hurricanes! Apparently a legislator snuck it in around May)

 

We stripped the requirement to notify the Capitol of intention to carry on grounds too. There is no language in our laws about open or concealed for our carry, so I like to open carry for comfort, speed, and to be a pleasantly polite ambassador to the public for responsibly armed citizens like us.

 

I know those are common things for Southerners but I just wanted to remind you we aren’t as Liberal as the “Twin Cities” want you to believe. We have nearly 200,000 issued permits here and it’s growing fast.

I’m proud to be an NRA member, a permit to carry instructor, and own a number of guns.

 

Comment- Thank you, Clayton.  Please keep working on your friends in the city so they come around.  Also, the state of Minnesota recently established reciprocity if you have a class 1 license from North Dakota.

 

Comment (Rachel)- Just another reminder, there are lots of ways to measure the gun-friendliness of a state

 

John This is from Kevin in Illinois.

I enjoy listening to you on the Polite Society Podcast.  Thank you for the contributions you make to the show and to furthering our 2A rights.

 

I live in Illinois as a military non-resident.  I’ve been very active attempting to get this state to allow nonresidents to obtain concealed carry licenses (CCLs).

 

I want to bring to your attention the administrative code changes proposed by the Illinois State Police.  Of specific interest to many of us is the redefinition of “substantially similar” that would theoretically allow residents of many other states, beyond the current four states of HI, VA, NM, and SC, to apply for a concealed carry license.  

 

Here’s the catch: If the resident’s home state doesn’t maintain a database of VOLUNTARY admissions into a mental health treatment facility, then the applicant must be evaluated annually by a mental health professional who certifies he or she isn’t a danger to him/herself and others and hasn’t been voluntarily admitted into a facility over the past 5 years.  

 

Honestly, how practical is this? I can’t imagine a mental health professional being willing to sign the dotted line unless that professional has a pre-existing relationship with the applicant.  Most applicants will never otherwise visit one over the course of a lifetime.  Furthermore, the cost to maintain an Illinois CCL will greatly exceed the $300 application fee since an annual visit to a mental health professional will now be factored into the cost as well.  And for those of us in the military, will Illinois require the mental health professional who signs the annual certification to be licensed to practice in the applicant’s state of residence?  If so, military members would need to make an annual visit “home” instead of relying upon their local Military Treatment Facility to provide this evaluation.

 

The proposed changes and an address to send comments were published last week in the Illinois Register.  Relevant pages are posted here: http://illinoiscarry.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=57760&p=929654

 

Regards,

Kevin Culp in Illinois

 

Rachel- Comment- Thanks Kevin.  It sure sounds like the Illinois State Police are busy pleasing their political masters in Chicago.  Thank you, Kevin, for all you do.

 

Rob-  Is that a business opportunity.  Unless they define the professional requirements, I can go into business issuing mental health certificates for Illinois online.  They have as much meaning as a Las Vegas marriage certificate.

 

John- I notice a pattern here.  Paul asked for e-mail.  Then, Paul misses an episode, and we get e-mail.  We report: You decide.

 

Rachel- We are going to the Gun Rights Policy Conference. The conference is in Phoenix at the end of September.  We plan to live stream the event.  We’re getting help from the Second Amendment Foundation and from Ammoland.  We’ve almost collected enough money for the equipment… and someone asked what we would do if there were any funds left over.  We had two competing ideas.

 

One was to donate any excess money to the Second Amendment Foundation.. while Gary Daughtry proposed we use the money to build the Polite Society Podcast waterslide in Phoenix.

 

John- See, we have no shortage of ideas.

 

Rachel-  Right.  We’ll give the money to SAF, but you’re invited to send in your ideas of how we should use it.

 

Rachel- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

President Obama said the lack of new gun-control laws was his biggest frustration. Barack is too modest. He has massively larger failings than gun-control. Obama simply wants gun-control as a media distraction to his growing list of political failures.  That article is up at Clash Daily and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John do you want to mention your posts at No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money?

 

I did a post noting that this past July was the highest July on record for NICS checks. It looks like people are seeing the pen and phone efforts of President Obama on gun control and are reacting to it.

 

This post and others can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

John:- Melody and Amber, do you have any articles you want to mention?  Where can our listeners follow you?

 

Melody- “Do you want a job?” is up at Limatunes Range Diaries.

You can find it at https://limatunesrangediaries.wordpress.com/

On Facebook, look for Limatunesrangediaries.

September 19 in Johnston, Iowa

 

Amber: Amber Kunau on Facebook

 

Charlie Foxtrot usually writes our show-notes.. but hs is moving this week.  Once he get settled again, look for his blog “not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com”

 

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank David Cole and Paul Valone for coming on the show for their interviews.  We have to thank Melody Lauer and Amber Kunau for joining us today as co-hosts.  John and Rachel, will you be with us next week?  I’m looking forward to it.  Next week I’ll be moving, but Paul, Susan and Gary should be back.

Melody.  So until the next time…

Rachel: stay safe.

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 342 – Guests Galore

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Jeff Street

Interview Segment 2: Guest Liston Mattews

Interview Segment 3: Guest Paul Markel

Interview Segment 4: Nebraska Firearms Owners Association

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded DAY/DATE, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with INTERVIEW about SUBJECT.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about TEASE FIRST NEWS STORY

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s .. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode XXX of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Gun Quotes

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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David Cole- Dave Cole will join us to talk about this article- wake up for fudds.

A “Fudd” is a gun owner who only owns hunting guns, and believes that by sacrificing the more “tactical” style of firearms to gun control, their deer rifles and duck guns will be left alone. If this describes you, I’d just like to ask: Do you people watch the news? Are you paying any attention at all?

Just go and Google “Cecil the Lion.” Go ahead and read some of the news stories on the topic, and better yet…read the comments from readers. Once you’ve seen the vitriol and insanity surrounding this topic, come back here and tell me that you really believe that your hunting guns are safe. Tell me that the people making these comments believe you have any right to hunt and by extension, the guns you hunt with.

http://blackmanwithagun.com/a-wake-up-for-fudds

 

Segment 4 DGUs

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/08/11/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-lake-highlands/

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 342 – More Chattanooga Fallout

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/342.mp3

Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment: 

Interview Segment 1: Guest Bill Frady 

Interview Segment 2: Guest Tony Simon

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday August 2nd, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and tonight we’ll cover a wide range of topics with Bill Frady of Lock n Load Radio.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we also interview firearms instructor Tony Simon from Simon Says Train.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we’ll bring you news of Lieutenant Commander Timothy White who tried to defend his men during the attack on the navy reserve center in Chattanooga, Tennessee.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 342 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

John – Unlike our last podcast, I don’t have tons of gun news. No Quiet Riot Tours this week and no suppressor shoots. I did order some parts for a couple of retro AR builds I’m working on.

 

More importantly, I’ve bought my plane ticket, reserved my room, and registered for GRPC in Phoenix.

 

I do have some more news on the class that Doc Wesson and I are hoping to have this fall in NC with Grant Cunningham and Paul Carlson. It will be in mid to late October and will include up to 3 days of training including defensive pistol, defensive revolver, and a carbine day.

 

-Rob- Work, eat, sleep.  No fun.  I got to talk with George Hill.  John, you convinced me to stay another day at GRPC.

 

Gary- I must be recovering, I’ve got some cabin fever. I went to the range this morning and put 8 14 round magazines of self-defense ammo through my Para without a malfunction, so that gun will take it’s rightful place as my everyday concealed carry gun.

 

Paul – Live from Central California. Don’t have the new truck yet, but do have a new student. We are delivering tomorrow and then off to the land of cheese. Only had a little time at home, so no range time for me, and have been so busy with training the new student that I don’t have time for dry fire practice.

 

Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat class in 2 weeks, we are down to 1 seat left for the 2 day Cornered Cat class, and still have seats for the 4 hour handgun retention class friday evening.

Break

Seg 2- News

 

John- Two Military Members Fired Personal Weapons at the Chattanooga Terrorist

One of the heroic elements of the cowardly Chattanooga terror attack was two of our military taking the fight to the Islamic terrorist. A Marine and the site’s Commanding officer fired their personal pistols at a terrorist armed with a AK-47, possibly wounding him and very likely saving many other lives. They paid a heavy price for their heroism; the yet unnamed Marine died in the assault and Lt. Cmdr. Timothy White may face charges from his own government.

 

Allen West reports that the United States Navy is bringing charges against Commander White for illegally discharging a firearm on federal property. Since the Clinton era, military personnel have been banned from carrying weapons on federal military property. White could be relieved of command, lose rank, and might even face a dishonorable discharge.

 

Rob- Lieutenant Commander White’s wife said this- “He values human life enough to protect his sailors and others. I am honored to be his wife and stand by him 100 percent.”  She gets it.  I couldn’t have said it better, and thank them both.

To do this to a hero shows the level of anti-gun insanity that pervades the the current administration and the personnel they’ve placed in the upper ranks of the military. A petition on the White House website has been started to asks Obama to honor the men who fired their personal weapons. The petition must reach at least 100,000 signatures by Aug. 28 in order to force a response from the White House. That is a worthy goal.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/honor-our-service-members-who-used-their-personal-firearms-fight-back-against-terrorist-attacker-chattanooga

 

Paul – Florida grants permits in a hurry to military service men

Florida Agriculture Commissioner Adam Putnam said active and retired military service members get top priority when applying for their concealed carry licenses.  The expedited process is in response to the murders in Chattanooga, Tennessee.  The announcement by the agriculture commissioner expands upon an executive order issued by Florida Governor Rick Scott. The executive order included a requirement that preference be given to members of the Florida National Guard when applying for concealed-weapon licenses.

 

Rob- Fast and Furious scandal Arms Garland, Texas Terrorist

It looks like the federal government helped arm many of the latest crop of notorious killers. From the San Francisco pier murderer, to the Emanuel AME killer and the Lafayette movie shooting, all have involved questionable failures of federal systems. Now, another instance has been added to that string of failures: one of the Garland, Texas terrorists may have been armed with a pistol involved in the Fast and Furious scandal.

 

Nadir Soofi, killed during the Draw Mohammad attacks, used Lone Wolf Trading Co. to obtain a pistol. Lone Wolf was a part of a federal sting operation known as Fast and Furious that deliberately gave thousand of guns to narco-terrorists. This DOJ/ ATF operation was at best criminally negligent — and at worst treasonous.  Hundreds of Mexicans and two Americans died because of the weapons. The Obama administration was able to delay the investigation long enough for Eric Holder to leave office.

Soofi’s NICS check was initially delayed for a seven day investigation. For reasons unclear, the hold was lifted after 24 hours and Soofi was allowed to buy his 9-millimeter handgun. When he died, Soofi and his terrorist partner had three pistols on their bodies. The FBI has not released if the Fast and Furious pistol was in his possession the night of the attack. Neither have they explained the reason Soofi was allowed to purchase it. We only know of the Fast and Furious connection because of the Lone Wolf owner’s statements.  Senate investigators are demanding answers, raising the chilling possibility that a gun sold during the botched Fast and Furious operation ended up being used in a terrorist attack against Americans.

It all sounds like the stuff of tin-foil wearing conspiracy theorists.  Except for the abundant evidence of this administration’s wide-ranging efforts to eliminate firearms from the public. Keep your powder dry – we’ve got 18 months (hopefully) of this persistent danger.

 

Gary – Dr. John Lott talked about our frustrated president.  Hours before the latest shooting at a movie theater in Louisiana, President Obama complained in a BBC interview about his greatest failures.  What the president considers to be his greatest failures and what WE consider to be his greatest failure are entirely different lists.

 

President Obama considers his greatest failure to be his inability to pass gun control measures.  Obama offers no explanation for why the worst mass shooting during his presidency occurred in Europe, not in the US.

Obama didn’t explain why many European countries have a higher frequency of attacks and a higher death rate from mass public shootings than we see in the United States.

Not once during his interview did Obama explain how his gun control proposals would have stopped any of the attacks he has spoken so passionately about. The expanded background checks Obama has advocated wouldn’t have stopped a single one of the attacks that occurred during his presidency. The killers either passed background checks and bought the gun legally or stole the guns. With these killers planning their attacks far in advance, anywhere from 6 months (Charleston and Aurora attacks) to more than 2 years (Newtown and Santa Barbara), it is hardly clear why one would expect these rules to matter.

Obama also refused to acknowledge what many worry might serve as a magnet for these attacks: so-called “gun-free zones.”

 

Rob- I noticed that professional journalists don’t ask the obvious questions.

 

John – 100 LA Killings in 100 Days/ LA City Standard Capacity Magazine Ban

Apparently, some of the 120,000 active gang members in the Los Angeles area have started a friendly little contest on Twitter: they’ve challenged the city’s gangs to kill 100 people in 100 days.

 

The Daily Beast reports that this past weekend in South Los Angeles, the surge in violent crime was evident, and was likely tied to the Twitter hashtag of 100Daysand100Nights. Los Angeles Police Department administrators conveniently blamed the public’s fears on social media.  They said the violence and random slayings were not unusual in the City of Angels.

 

Los Angeles politicians continued to ignore the city’s real problems.  The hard-left LA City Council voted unanimously to further disarm law-abiding citizens. Their new ordinance would make it illegal to possess standard-capacity magazines within city limits. California has long had a ban on new magazines holding more than ten rounds. However, magazines owned before the ban were grandfathered in, something the media is disingenuously calling a loophole. Law-abiding LA residents will have 60 days to move the magazines or surrender them to the police.

Many pro-rights groups point out that this ban will obviously do nothing to diminish gang murders in the sanctuary city. The NRA and  CRPA are threatening lawsuits challenging the ordinance’s violation of California’s preemption law and the illegal takings arising from the law.

And they wonder why we continuously fight so hard for our gun rights.

 

Rob- I don’t think the gangs are going to obey the new gun laws any more than they obey the laws against robbery, drugs, prostitution and smuggling illegals.

 

Paul- Private companies must follow the law.. even in Nashville.

The city of Nashville contracted with concert promoters to run their public amphitheater.  The private company banned firearms.  Members of the city council in Memphis and Nashville said they wanted to extend the gun ban to many of their public parks.  Tennessee state law says public facilities must be open to licensed carriers.  The Tennessee attorney general said the venue remains a publicly owned property even if it is being run by a private company for a special event.  Quote, “Since a county or municipality no longer has the authority to prohibit handgun carry permit holders from possessing handguns in public parks and other recreational facilities, a county or municipality cannot convey or delegate any such authority to anyone else, either directly or indirectly.”

 

Rob- A new law went into effect the 1st of August in Louisiana that states that persons who are under a protective order for abuse are banned from possessing firearms, and if they are convicted of domestic violence are prohibited from possessing a firearm for 10 years. This is partially troubling because a protective order is VERY easy to attain, and can be granted without your attending a court hearing.

John- Rob’s next project.
John- Anniversary of Michael Brown’s Death
A word to the wise: This August 9th will be the first anniversary of the highly politicized shooting death of Michael Brown. Policemen have been warning shop owners in north St Louis about plans for civil disobedience in the days around the anniversary.

 

 

Gary- Gun Quotes- The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.  H. L. Mencken

 

Break

Segment 3 Interviews

Bill Frady of lock n load radio.

I’ve been on his show.

Discussion of major gun news issues.

Recruitment center shooting. Civilians mindset of using a firearm to safely flee, vs LEO/Military mindset to close and stop the threat.

Barack Obama’s gun frustration

Are we are winning or losing our firearms rights?

lock and load radio vs podcasts

bad- radio depends on critical equipment

good- radio provides syndication

good- radio offers a way for the listener to respond in real time

good- radio is a la cart

good- podcast is on demand and free

 

Paul-

Tony Simon of Simon Says Train

Tony, you have an event coming up called “The 2nd is for Everyone, when and what is that and could you talk about it a little please?

Tony, talk about your classes?  Where are they offered?  Who instructs with you?

You also helped in the recall of Senator Steve Sweeney.

2A activism by Tony Simon

You talked about the many sides of the NRA

SAF

JPFO

GOA

NJSAFE conference

Will we see you in Phoenix?

Where can people learn more about Simon Says Train and read your articles?

gun and gear review podcast- http://firearmsinsider.tv/podcast/

Where can our listeners find you? https://instagram.com/simonsaystrain/

http://www.online-instagram.com/user/simonsaystrain/1940421175

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Paul- Our first story is from Philadelphia.  A 19 year old appeared drunk or high on drugs when he told a group of older men to get off his block.  The 19 year old then pulled a gun and shot at the group.  One of the men had his concealed carry permit.  When the shooting was over, the 19 year old had fired twice and missed.  The concealed carry holder fired three times and hit the attacker in the neck, arms and abdomen.  The concealed carry holder called police, remained on the scene, and filed a report.  The 19 year old ran, but soon turned himself in at Temple University Hospital.  He is in critical condition.

 

Gary- Home Invader Shot – And Runs To Neighbor For Help

An estranged boyfriend tried to violently force his way into a woman’s Indianapolis, Indiana home. The woman’s brother, acting to defend his sister and her two children, shot the suspect as the door came crashing down. Instead of slinking off into the night like any other self-respecting dirtbag, the ventilated lover ran to a neighbor’s for help. The brother and then the police caught up to him there.

While this might seem like yet another Friday Night Folly, it does hold an important  lesson for the armed citizen. According to Massad Ayoob, the criminal or the deranged often feel wronged when the victim doesn’t play by their version of the rules. The real victim should be the first to notify the police to ensure that they have the first opportunity to claim victim – and justified shooter – status.

 

John- Burglar tries, tries again and is then shot
Jefferson Clement was having a frustrating night. He had tried unsuccessfully to jimmy three windows in his Augusta, Georgia apartment complex. The simple locks defeated the hapless thief. However, he did not let these setbacks dissuade him. No: he tried, tried again. And got shot for it.

The fourth window was unlocked. Unfortunately for the intrepid freelance tax-collector, the apartment was occupied by a resident with a gun. Ol’ Jeff was urged back out the window with a .380 hole in his leg. Clement was arrested at the hospital and will be charged with four counts of attempted burglary.

It’s refreshing to see signs of initiative in a Millennial. We wish this young man every success is his chosen career. NOT.

Rob- A Home Invader Disguised as a Cop is Shot by Homeowner
A Delaware man was shot and killed while disguised as a police officer and committing a home invasion near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Jamil A. Salahuddin, 34, of Wilmington, and another man also in a police uniform pointed guns at a man and a woman as they returned home just before midnight. They forced the couple inside and tied them with zip ties. The homeowner broke free and grabbed for Salahuddin’s gun. In the struggle, the male victim was shot in the arm and leg, but managed hit Salahuddin’s several times in the body and twice in the head. Salahuddin died at the scene; his accomplice fled.

Many of Salahuddin’s friends praised him as a “a great father, son, and husband.” However, he had a long police record for drug possession, forgery, resisting arrest, impersonation, receiving a stolen firearm and other gun offenses. In March 2014, he was arrested once again for a slew of felonies including firearm charges. He was scheduled to appear in court on those charges on Sept. 21 when he died assaulting the couple.

 

Residents were rocked by the incident. It is not know why a Delaware man would drive 90 miles to a sleepy little Pennsylvania town to commit a home invasion. There is no known connection between criminals and victims. Police have given no details about the police uniforms.

 

We can speculate that the criminals were planning something especially heinous, and literally wanted to distance themselves from the crime. We must also question why this hardened criminal was free to threaten the lives of innocents. Stay armed, stay observant; evil can come from very far away.

 

Paul- Texas Minister Shoots Assailant

(Whoever does this should read it as a Southern Baptist preacher.  Sell it!  If this is too cute, I can rewrite. Let me know.)

 

Finally, Pastor Benny Holmes was doing the Lord’s Work when he surprised an early morning burglar in his Baytown, Texas church. Lee Marvin Blue Jr. had several laptops on him when he met the pastor.  Pastor Holmes had arisen from the sleep of an innocent when he heard someone in the church. “I commanded him to stop twice, and he didn’t. So fearing for my life, I did what I had to do.”

It wasn’t lightning from the heavens, but a handgun that smote the sinner. Junior was pierced through the shoulder and fell prostrate in a pool of his own blood. “I led him through the sinner’s prayer while he was on the floor,” Pastor Holmes said. “He repeated the sinner’s prayer after me. And that was about it. I’m going to go visit him.” The many times repeat repentant sinner was borne up on the wings of a Life Flight helicopter and spirited to a hospital with non-life threatening injuries. This is not the first time the pastor’s rod has been the cause of salvation. He had previously assisted a package thieving Grandmother from the error of her ways by holding her at gunpoint for the police.

 

You gotta love Texas.  Say Hallelujah!

(And yes, I AM going to Hell. Consigned there by the Nuns decades ago.)

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Segment 5 Show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

HB 562 passed the NC Senate on Tuesday. It was our gun rights bill that gave us some, but not all, of the things we sought. The major thing that didn’t get through was the elimination of the pistol purchase permit system. Gun control groups are saying it was due to their pressure. This is a joke because it was due to power-hungry sheriffs reluctant to give up power and law & order Republicans who kow-towed to them. That said, I have no hesitation of saddling these Republicans with praise from gun banners as it won’t make their constituents very happy. Perhaps a few of them will see the error of their ways and perhaps a few will be defeated in primaries. We’ll see.

Rob- you took names?

John- Yes.

You can find these posts and more at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

Paul- We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bill Frady and Tony Simon for joining us today.  Rob, John, Gary, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.

 

Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 341- Louisiana Theater Shooting

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/341.mp3

Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Jeff Knox

Interview Segment 2: Guest Dr. John Edeen

Interview Segment 3: Guest Sebastian of www.pagunblog.com

Interview Segment 4: Guest John Willett of Bear Arms Show

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday July 26th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with John Edeen from Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about another theater shooting,  this one in Louisiana.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and I’m looking forward to discussing some great listener email.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a woman that is fortunate she called her father before she called 911.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 341 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I shot IDPA yesterday.  I was shooting my single stack 1911 since I brought a friend along and he was shooting a similar gun.  We had a stage that started with you sitting down tying your shoe when the buzzer went off.  The stages included a good mix of movement, accuracy and speed.  It was 96 degrees when we left the range, but I figured I’d better go play in the heat since I’m moving to Louisiana.  I reserved a room for the Gun Rights Policy Conference which is in Phoenix on September 25, 26 and 27.  I’ll join Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio tomorrow morning.

 

John – Finally, I have some gun news! I spent yesterday with my friend Jeff at SilencerCo’s Quiet Riot Tour held in Franklinville, North Carolina. It was a chance to fire a number of firearms with a variety of suppressors. I shot everything from a suppressed Browning Buckmark .22 pistol to a Benelli shotgun with the Salvo suppressor. My impression is that SilencerCo did the the event which had about 200 attendees as both a promo for their suppressor and as an educational event to teach people about suppressors.  I think my favorite was an AR-15 in .300 Blackout shooting subsonic ammo. It felt and sounded almost like you were firing a suppressed rimfire rifle.

 

Sean Sorrentino of the GunBlog Variety Cast was also there. We recorded a number of little spots for his podcast and did a wrap up with our impressions of the event and suppressors. Look for that to be released in the next two weeks or so.

 

Rob- a question

Rachel- No gun news this week. I’ve been watching 5 kids while their parents are out of the country. I believe my own life is worth protecting, but adding in a bunch of kids definitely raises the stakes and makes me work that much harder. That kind of responsibility makes me glad I already have solid habits of carrying a gun, being aware of surroundings, and thinking ahead to keep everyone safe.

 

Rob- that is a great attitude.  thank you!

 

Gary- gun news

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

Seg 2- News

Paul-  Lead Story – Lafayette Theater Shooting

Leading our news this week, unfortunately there has been another case of multiple murders in a gun free zone., this time in Lafayette Louisiana. On Thursday evening the 23rd a 59 year old psychopath started shooting people in a theater. Twenty minutes into a screening the gunman, who as usual we will not name here, opened fire in the Grand 16 theater in Lafayette. Unfortunately 2 women lost their lives and 9 other people were injured.

 

CNN is reporting that the killer bought his gun legally, however this cannot be the case. In the same story they state that the killer was the subject of a restraining order. That restraining order would disqualify the perpetrator from purchasing a gun under the Lautenberg Amendment that took effect in 1997. Also in 2008 the murderer was involuntarily committed to a mental institution “because he was a threat to himself and others”. This would further disqualify him from owning a firearm. In fact, according to the Columbus Georgia Ledger-Enquirer the murderer was denied a pistol permit in 2006.  That said, the states may not have reported his mental health status and criminal record to the federal NICS system.

 

As we all expect by now, the theater where the shooting took place is a gun free zone. The theater management posted on their website that quote “Possession of firearms or weapons of any kind regardless of whether openly or concealed, with or without a permit” are prohibited.

 

That means this multiple victim murder was doubly impossible.  A crazy person got a gun.. which is against the law.. and a person intent on murder broke the movie theater’s regulations.. the same regulations that disarmed honest movie goers.

 

That proves that gun control didn’t word, can’t work and will never work. Before any more restrictions are placed on firearms and firearms owners, we MUST look in to why those restrictions already in place are failing.

Discussion

 

Rob- Doing the same mistake over and over and expecting a different result is insane.  When the gun haters keep telling us that gun-control is the answer, the fundamental question isn’t about gun control.. but about control.

 

John-  Barack Obama says that US Gun Laws are His “Biggest Frustration”

Listener Anthony Lucafo sent us a story from BBC.com that summarizes thier interview with President Obama. the major quote from the story from Obama is “  You mentioned the issue of guns, that is an area where if you ask me where has been the one area where I feel that I’ve been most frustrated and most stymied it is the fact that the United States of America is the one advanced nation on earth in which we do not have sufficient common-sense, gun-safety laws. Even in the face of repeated mass killings.

And you know, if you look at the number of Americans killed since 9/11 by terrorism, it’s less than 100. If you look at the number that have been killed by gun violence, it’s in the tens of thousands. And for us not to be able to resolve that issue has been something that is distressing. But it is not something that I intend to stop working on in the remaining 18 months.”

Discussion – (I KNOW there are bound to be reactions to this one)

 

Rob- The list from the federal center for disease control has firearms way way down the list as cause of death- Heart disease, cancer, chronic lower respiratory diseases, accidents, stroke, Alzheimer’s, diabetes, influenza, pneumonia, and suicide are way more deadly.  The number of accidents with firearms is 0.5 percent of all accidental deaths.  For children it is about 1 percent.

 

Of those deaths by firearm, suicide are the vast majority.  Looking around the world, and across the united states, the rate of suicide is independent of firearms ownership.

 

Rachel- We talked about the murder at two military recruiting offices that took place a few weeks ago. We thought that the order to disarm the military came from the president.  It did, but each general officer can accept or reject that order.  That means a general in charge of recruiting decided it was better for the general or admiral to risk his men’s’ lives than to oppose his president.  That is sad, and certainly cause for the officer to be dismissed.

 

Representative Scott Rigell sent a letter Wednesday to Defense Secretary Ash Carter requesting that he end a Pentagon prohibition on military personnel carrying firearms to and from defense installations. He had 70 members of congress join him.  The Virginia Beach Republican has argued that service members must be able to protect themselves in transit and at recruitment centers, noting the fatal shootings of four Marines and a sailor in Chattanooga, Tenn., last week. The letter asks Defense Secretary Carter to give base commanders the authority to allow service members to carry concealed weapons as long as they abide by state and local laws.

http://hamptonroads.com/2015/07/70-sign-rigells-call-lifting-gun-ban

 

Rob- This is a little off-topic.  We talked about citizens protecting the military, and that is happening across the country.  I found examples from 12 states.

 

Rob- I was thinking about the attack in Chattanooga during a recent competition.  Marines were attacked in their office by a civilian with a rifle.  The defenders have a huge advantage.  They know their surroundings.  They out number the attacker and can wait for the attacker to come to them.  The person is a fool or is lying if they say the Marines were doomed so it doesn’t matter if they were armed.

 

Gary- guns and ammo magazine came out with their best states for gun owners.  Making lists is an easy article to write, and this list is different than their list of the best states for concealed carry.  They weighed a number of factors including right-to-carry, right to own “black rifles”, presence of the Castle Doctrine, National Firearms Act prohibitions, and a catch-all miscellaneous column.

 

Counting up from the bottom, Washington DC, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and Hawaii were the worst states for gun owners.

 

Counting down from the top, Arizona, Vermont, Alaska and Utah were the best.

 

Paul – I think that this is a little skewed. South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, and North Dakota all VERY gun friendly and weren’t very high up (yes my nose is bent a little bit out of shape.

 

Rachel- it’s almost impossible to rank states for gun friendliness since there are so many parameters.

 

Rob- You might remember a legal challenge to Washington State gun laws.  That challenge was dismissed.  The judge said the law was probably illegal and unenforceable, but no one had been arrested for it yet, so he let the law stand.

 

Ohio Carry won’t let that happen in Cleveland.  Earlier this year, the Cleveland city council passed a series of anti-gun measures. These included establishing a gun registry similar to those used to track sex offenders.  The city also required registering personal firearms and reporting lost and stolen guns to the police.  Ohio Carry filed a lawsuit against the city citing violations of Ohio’s preemption laws.  Ohio Carry plans an armed rally at Cleveland City Hall the day the ordinance goes into effect.  They will conduct private party sales without informing the Cleveland Police Department.

 

Quote, “This event is to show the city of Cleveland and any other city in Ohio that we will not comply with illegal laws; that we will not be bullied into compliance for political agendas.  This is our civic responsibility, and we will make our voices heard.”  Ohio Carry said they would follow up any arrests at the rally with civil lawsuits.

 

Rachel- This is important.  We’ve seen politicians bury us in selectively enforced laws and regulations.  The pick the laws to enforce on their political opponents.  We’ve seen open refusal to comply with firearms registration in Connecticut, New York, and now in Ohio.

 

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Paul- I guess they didn’t mean it after all.  A temporary emergency gun ban was imposed by the City of Columbia South Carolina.  They wanted to disarm protesters rallying around the State House after the state banned the Virginia battle flag.

 

The city council passed the local ordinance banning weapons within 250 feet of the state house.  Penalties included a $500 fine and up to 30 days in jail.

 

State Attorney General Alan Wilson says the ban was an illegal encroachment on Second Amendment rights, and one the city had no power to pass in the first place.  The city then repealed the ordinance.

 

Rob- There is nothing so permanent as a temporary government action.  How much would the city have been fined for arresting someone under that ban?

 

Rachel- If you don’t want protesters, why not just ban banning flags?

 

John- Since we’re talking about pre-emption, we have some good news out of Alabama. Alabama Governor Robert Bentley said he ordered that signs banning weapons at Alabama rest stops be taken down.  Alabama preemption law gives the legislature control over firearms regulations.  Alabama department of transportation said they would remove the signs.

Rob- I wonder who whose idea it was to put the signs up?

 

The Alabama Department of Transportation said their regulation which reads, “No person other than a duly authorized law enforcement officer shall enter any Alabama Department of Transportation building with a firearm… without the written permission of the Director.”

This is the provision the agency used to justify the “no weapons allowed” signs at rest areas along Alabama’s interstates and highways.

 

Comment- It is hard to trust a bureaucrat when they always twist a law to suit their politics.

 

Rachel- Democrat Presidential Candidate Martin O’Malley called on Congress to ban “the sale of assault weapons” and “[establish] a national gun registry.”

He also said it is time to “[increase] inspections” on gun shops and mandate that gun owners lock up their guns in their homes.

 

Martin O’Malley instituted new gun laws as governor of Maryland and as mayor of Baltimore.  Crime went up after he signed license requirements for firearm owners, mandated training, background checks, bans on assault weapons, and a ban on “high capacity” ammunition magazines.

 

Rob- The usual record of an anti-rights politician.

 

Gary- Gun Quotes

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars. Unknown

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview of John Edeen and Jeff Knox.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Dr. John Edeen – www.DRGO.us  – http://drgo.us/?p=1708

 

Dr. Edeen, you wrote in your article on DRGO.us that the recent shootings in Chatanooga are not nessesarrily an isolated incident, and that they are part and parcel of the disarming of our military while stationed stateside. Can you talk a little bit about the article?

 

John E: I wrote this article because I was especially angered by the senseless murder of 4 marines and one sailor. I spent the better part of 10 years as a Navy physician and surgeon. Two years were spent on the USS Peleliu (LHA-5), an amphibious assault ship that transports marines to where they need to go and supports their mission. I have taken care of thousands of sailors and marines. This act of war was directed against our unarmed military personnel because of a policy enacted by President GHW Bush in 1992. This policy directs that all military personnel be unarmed except of Military Police and security personnel.

 

Rob- The end of the cold war and the peace dividend.

 

Since then, there have been several attacks against recruiting centers and military installations. In 2009, two Army recruiters in Little Rock, AR were attacked by a recent convert to Islam, one of them fatally. Later that year, 13 soldiers were killed and 32 wounded by a Muslim Army psychiatrist at Ft. Hood, TX. In 2013, 12 sailors were killed at the Washington Navy Yard by a man with a psychiatric history. There was also the case of a former marine, a recent convert to Islam, who opened fire on a Marine recruiting center in Chantilly, Va and a Coast Guard recruiting center in Woodbridge, Va. Between 2011 and 2015 several attacks were thwarted by law enforcement.

 

We know that gun free zones do not protect against mass murder, they are preferred targets. It is immoral and irresponsible to keep these killing zones in place. Military leadership needs to immediately remove the gun free zones  and allow our Armed Forces to protect themselves. It turns out that there were two responsible people at the Reserve Center that day. Apparently, the commanding officer, LCDR Timothy White and one of the marines that was killed had personal sidearms and returned fire on the murderer. It is unknown whether any of that fire hit the terrorist, but it certainly altered the attack, possibly saving lives.

 

Also, several state governors have lifted the ban in their states and have begun arming Reservists while on duty. Bravo to them.

 

I want to thank listener Anthony Lucafo for emailing us a Fox News story, that story basically says that the pentagon isn’t listening. The major quote from the story by the Pentagon Press Secretary Peter Cook  states”While we greatly appreciate the outpouring of support for our recruiters from the American public, we ask that individuals not stand guard at recruiting offices as it could adversely impact our mission, and potentially create unintended security risks.” Dr Edeen, would you care to comment about that quote?

 

John E.:  This is more politically correct B.S. You must remember, Generals and Admirals are political animals. They don’t get to that level unless they have political savvy. We know that the current administration does not respect the Second Amendment and is willing to sacrifice lives in pursuit of their political ends. They have systematically forced out senior officer that do not share their political ideology.   If they really wanted to support the mission of recruiting, they should allow the trained marines, sailors and soldiers to be armed and make sure they are trained in the use of sidearms. Most marines and soldiers are riflemen. If I were a potential recruit, I would be more impressed with a GYSGT in his dress blue uniform with all his medals and a sidearm strapped around his waist and an M-4 rifle at hand, rather  than a recruiter with a military haircut and a civilian suit who is disarmed. The biggest unintended security risk is an Islamic terrorist left unopposed. I would rather risk an unintentional discharge of a weapon than an intentional attack.

 

rob- political solution to political problem.  Call the general/admiral unfit for service.

 

DR EDEEN, ANY COMMENTS ON POLITICAL MOVES TO ALLOW CARRY IN TEXAS HOSPITALS??

http://www.mediaite.com/online/texas-lawmaker-it-makes-no-sense-not-to-allow-guns-in-hospitals/

 

John E.:  Unfortunately, the Texas legislature session for 2015 has concluded. They were able to get several pro-rights bills signed into law, gun free zones in hospitals didn’t make it through the process.  Representative Springer’s HR 695, which would have allowed Concealed Handgun License holders to carry in public hospital and required private hospitals that prohibited concealed carry to post armed security at each entrance, died in committee without public testimony. The next legislative session isn’t until 2017. We still have work to do on this front.

 

I’m looking forward to seeing you guys at the Cathy Jackson course in a few weeks. I will also be at GRPC in September. Paul, how are you doing on your campaign to fund the purchase of your sound equipment to stream GRPC live?

 

WRAP UP AND PROMOTE THE WEBSITE DRGO

 

Jeff Knox- http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/no-guns-for-social-security-recipients/

Rob- I understand that the ATF had plans to disarm these social security recipients.

 

The disarmed military members who have a payee.  Now they are trying the same action with Social Security.  If this passes, then anyone who receives government benefits would lose their right of armed self-defense if they have a payee.

 

http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/sporting-purpose-language-in-law-unconstitutional/

Everything is banned except arms with “sporting purpose”.

 

Rob- politics as usual.  Read government powers defensively in light of how they can be abused.

HR-2710 https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/114/hr2710

Will we see you at GRPC?

Where can we find Jeff’s writing?

 

Sebastian – Shall not be questioned – www.pagunblog.com

Sebastian, the main reason I asked to to come on today was a post you had a few weeks ago titled “Again, They Are Coming For Your Guns”  the post was about an Australian article stating how it was good and wholesome to take guns away, could you talk a bit about your post and the article it was talking about.

 

I also seen on your blog that you have a post up from Friday Titled “Derision of the ‘Good Guys With Guns’”  It may be possible that there were 2 of the military who were attacked who did fight back with personally owned sidearms. The anti rights side is almost gleeful over the fact that they apparently did not stop the bad guy instantly.  I want to read just a little bit of a quote from your post. You wrote “Aside from being highly disrespectful to the fallen Marine’s service and sacrifice, no one ever argued that a gun is a guarantee that you’ll prevail over a bad guy every time. “

 

One more post I want to talk about was one you posted on July 20th, In it you point out that Adam Weinstein in an article on The Trace thinks that the military shouldn’t be armed. I took a look at the article, and sure enough right in the subtitle “Most armed service members are not trained to neutralize active shooters, and putting more loaded guns in their hands creates its own risks.” These people really are living in a fantasy land aren’t they?

 

John Willett-  Bear Arm Show-

New Jersey Second amendment and firearms education conference  NJ-SAFE

Conference is October 3rd.  NJ speakers, Vineland NJ, Cumberland County College.

http://www.beararmsshow.com/nj-safe-conference-announcement/

https://njsafecon.net/

$10 to attend.

A GRPC-east

RTSP, Gun for Hire, simulators, Henry Repeating Arms, Advocacy Groups, Second Amendment Women.

Speakers and panel discussions.  Shaneen Allen, Steffon Josey-Davis, Tony Simon, Evan Nappen, Scott Bach.

Where can we find Mike and John Willett?  http://www.beararmsshow.com/

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Rob- A young woman heard three men break into her home just after noon.  She barricaded herself into a back room and called her dad.  I don’t know what the police response time is in East New Orleans, Louisiana, but it is important that she called her dad before she called 911.  Her dad was armed and he also knew who belonged in his home.  He chased the three thieves out of his home at gunpoint.  One of the thieves turned back toward the homeowner as he ran across the back yard.  That is when the homeowner fired.  The wounded thief jumped the fence, but collapsed on the street.  He was arrested by police.  They found stolen property in his pockets.  The wounded thief was taken to the hospital.  No charges have been filed against the homeowner.

 

Paul- We talked about the elderly needing to protect themselves.  In this case, a man in his 50s entered a home in King County Washington.  He attacked the owner’s room mate who was 65 years old.

 

The 70-year-old homeowner shot at the attacker.  The homeowner told police that he fired five shots from his 9mm handgun, but was not sure if he had actually hit the man.

 

The 50 year old intruder used to live at that address.  15 minutes after the attack, a man called 911 saying he’d been shot. The  wounded man was the assailant, and he’d been shot twice in the shoulder and upper torso.  He was taken to Harborview Medical Center. He will be booked on assault charges when he is released. No charges have been filed against the 70-year-old homeowner.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/70-year-old-man-shoots-intruder-during-attack/nm3Y3/

 

Paul- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

John- Email from Tennessee Junior

 

First off, long time; first time:) thank you all for the time and effort put into the shows, they are quality and enjoyable.

Question 1:  my edc sidearm is an M&P in 357 sig, I have a couple thousand rounds for it and try to train yearly, practice weekly and dry fire every day or two including drawstroke etc.  Any suggestions on this caliber? And,  is it time to bite the proverbial bullet and move to 9mm? The rounds are pretty pricey and nearly impossible to find locally, but I run across Internet deals reasonably often and shoot Speer lawman fmj and carry Speer gold dot jhp. Same point of impact in both so I try to stay with these.  I do still have plenty of the ammunition as of now,  but. …. the purchase was made when the Tennessee highway patrol moved to the caliber,  and I do shoot it proficiently, yet the future is the concern.  Also, I carry 2 extra mags for a total of 46 rounds, so capacity isn’t really of import in my humble opinion….

2nd, with the large scale mob style attacks perpetrated recently I’ve been considering a long gun such as my Wyndham AR to take with me in the work van. I am in the vehicle A LOT, traveling extensively, but concerns arise with storage of the proverbial”truck gun”in a work van.  When taken in the past, the weapon has been in a locking case and the case is chained and locked to the vans supports and covered, but access is terribly slow and the access inconvenience is making this a problem.  Any suggestions on this dilemma?

And finally,  it’s time for a new gun belt. I’ve been utilizing a belt by better belt company when I got an old faithful holster a few years ago, the stitching is going away as I slide the double mag carrier etc.  on it daily, who makes the best edc leather belt?  I’m in business casual so the instructor belts etc won’t work, I must stick with a black leather belt for business camo, what say you? Pictures attached for reference etc.

Thanks in advance for any help you may provide, keep up the good fight.

 

TNJR.    (“Tennessee Junior”)

 

Rob- 357 sig is a fine cartridge.  It is a necked down 40 cal.  Keep it if you like to shoot it.

Rachel- Don’t switch cartridges just because somebody disses yours. Shoot what you like. Also, there is no perfect cartridge. Choose what best fits your needs. Training on your gun is the most important; sounds like you’re doing a good job there.

 

Carbine?

Escape first.  Go to the rifle later.

 

Rob- Jason Christianson sold me my gun belt.  TJ, could you try a paddle style mag pouch?

 

Email from Austin in Wichita

 

Gary- Hello fellow 2A enthusiasts,

I have a best friend, spotter and shooting partner who is taking a summer road trip this summer with his wife and and brother in law.  The beginning and end to his trip I find to be ironically comical, as he is leaving our home state, Kansas, home of constitutional carry and ever improving freedom for our 2nd amendment rights and ending in California.  Quite a change for our freedoms that we don’t agree with but nevertheless we must obey the laws of the land.

I have used my Legal heat app on my phone to see that our state has reciprocity in every state along is route with the exception of his end destination state. However I am having difficulty finding how he is to store and transport his firearm until he returns to the land of the free once again. I know the gun and ammo must be stored and locked separately while in a vehicle, but not if he must have it registered to bring it into the state. As well I am unsure if he is allowed to load and carry once at his in-laws home on private property or if it still must stay locked away.  My initial response is to make excuses and send the in-laws a card but that is no longer an option.

I would appreciate any help you can provide and I am a huge fan of the information you provide that the other media outlets overlook, ignore and twist to meet their own agendas.

God Bless

Austin

Wichita, KS

 

The legal heat app is here- http://www.mylegalheat.com/

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

 

Rob-  Hi, Austin.  I’ve some references for you.  The State of California Department of Justice Office of the Attorney General has a web page called Traveling with Firearms in California.  Calguns also has a page on  transporting firearms.  Unfortunately, California allows local preemption, so there may be local laws that also apply.  We have the links in our show notes.  https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel, http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transporting

 

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

I wrote another post about citizens defending military recruiting centers.

 

I read the bloomberg propaganda after the movie shooting in Lafayette, Louisiana.  I went back and read their old press releases after each shooting in a gun free zone.  They sounded crazy to me so I wrote about them.  These articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot word press dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money?

 

When the gun prohibitionists put out a picture or new media announcement of a victory for their side, we need to take it was a grain of salt. A case in point was a picture from the Demanding Mommies thanking Academy Sports and Outdoors, a large big box store sporting goods chain, “for their gunsense”. It was part of their new “NoChecks, NoGuns” campaign which is aimed at convincing people that a delay in a NICS check should be the same as a denial. Academy Sports, as a matter of long-standing corporate policy, has only released firearms after an approval from the FBI. While we may disagree with it, it important to note that they didn’t do it as some sort of appeasement to the Bloomberg folks. It is, as I called it, a false victory.

 

You can find this post and others at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 340 – Terrorism Strikes Our Marines

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/340.mp3

Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Ed Levine

Interview Segment 2: Guest Alexander Roubian

Interview Segment 3: Anette Wachter:

DGU Segment 1:

DGU Segment 2: 

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, July 19th, 2015 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk about the military service members shot in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a new proposal by the Obama Administration to add even more people to the NICS prohibited list.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and I’ll be giving a tribute to one of my first and strongest shooting mentors, Michael Adam.

Anette: I’m Anette Wachter, the 30 cal gal, and I’m headed to Camp Perry for the world long range shooting championships

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about defending yourself as you sit in your car, so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 340 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Last Sunday I spoke on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.  Tuesday morning I spoke on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady. We talked about the Kate Steinle murder in San Francisco.

 

I wrote and read the news for Kenn Blanchard on his Black man with a gun podcast.

 

Intro to guns for a neighbor.  Studied Louisiana firearms laws and started giving away my reference books on California gun law.

 

John – This week was taken up mostly with work. Nothing gun related except for blogging. Even though I had free time, I didn’t even practice dry firing. I’m a slug, what can I say. However, next weekend, I am going to demo day held by SilencerCo. It is part of their Quiet Riot Tour and we’ll get a chance to shoot a number of weapons including submachine guns and SBRs that have been suppressed.

 

I would also like to note with some sadness that one of my favorite podcasts has ridden off into the sunset. Of course I’m talking about the Gun Dudes. They have decided after 340 episodes to call it quits. I wish them the best.

 

Rachel- This week my shooting community was stunned by the sudden tragic passing of Michael Adam, also known as Scout. Michael was a long-time Appleseed Master Instructor and also the co-founder of Battle Road. He’s been a guest here on the podcast, talking about our history and heritage. He was one of the best people I’ve known, and he heavily influenced all his shooting students, not just in the world of shooting, but also in the way he saw them as people and gave them hope and light and encouragement that reached to the very depths of their souls.

 

I can’t even begin to describe the breadth and depth of his impact on those he came into contact with, both those from Texas and all over the US. I can only try to sum up briefly some of what he mean to me personally.

 

Michael Adam taught me to shoot; to be an instructor; to value, respect, and care for those around me; to work harder and go farther than I thought I ever could; to never stop learning.

 

He warmly welcomed everyone I brought out to Davilla for Appleseed and Battle Road courses with a rare kind of hospitality and care. He brought together a team I was honored to be a part of. He always had stories to share, always crazy ideas for another great Zombie Run obstacle that he’d try to get Mark to agree to smile emoticon, and always a heart bigger than I remembered the last time.

 

His sudden passing leaves an immense hole in many lives, and my life will not be the same without Scout around. But his life left a lasting impact on everyone around him, and my life is not the same because he was a part of it. For that, I am grateful.

 

Gary-

 

Anette-

 

Paul: New to me truck that I have for a few weeks. I am driving a Volvo, and it has enough room I can actually dry fire in the truck.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

(Ed levine is waiting on skype!)

Break

 

Seg 2- News

John reads

Service Member Shootings in Chattanooga
The staff of the Polite Society Podcast would like to express our sincere condolences to the family and friends of the five Service members killed at the Navy Operations Support Center in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Godspeed Gunnery Sgt. Thomas J. Sullivan, Staff Sgt. David A. Wyatt, Sgt. Carson A. Holmquist, Lance Cpl. Squire K. Wells and Petty Officer 2nd Class Randall Smith. Rest in Peace. Well done.

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Our thoughts and prayers are also with the two men wounded in the attack. Another attack in this unacknowledged but escalating war on the United States.

Governor Asa Hutchinson quickly acted to allow Arkansas’ Service personnel a chance to fight back by authorizing Arkansas National Guard Adjutant General Mark Berry to arm full-time military personnel. Arkansas National Guard bases will no longer be gun-free zones. Hutchinson acted in the memory of Arkansas’ native son; Sgt. Wyatt, who was killed in the terror attack. Then, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott announced he’s authorizing Texas National Guard Adjutant Gen. John Nichols to arm troops at facilities across the state in response to the deadly shooting rampage in Tennessee. Now, Gov. Mary Fallin has authorized the state’s adjutant general to arm full-time Oklahoma National Guardsmen at military facilities in Oklahoma.  Where our military men and women remain disarmed by executive order, armed Americans have been spontaneously showing up to protect those who protect us.

It seems that common sense is staging a comeback in these troubling times.

.

John – I just read this morning that Indiana Gov. Mike Pence has authorized the Indiana National Guard and their recruiting stations to have armed personnel.

Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/07/19/while-obama-looks-the-other-way-citizens-and-governors-defend-military/

 

Will obama make recruiting centers gun free zones?

 

A New Class of Prohibited Persons

The LA Times reported on Saturday morning that the Obama Administration will be proposing that Social Security recipients – retirees and those that are on disability – who need help managing their money will now be included in the FBI’s NICS check system as prohibited persons.

 

Given that there is no reliable way to identify those recipients who have mental conditions, Alzheimers, dementia, disabilities due to brain injuries, etc., the Social Security Administration is proposing to use the VA standard. This standard is that anyone who has trouble managing their own financial affairs and needs a fiduciary is a prohibited person and is reported to the FBI for inclusion into the NICS database.  These people would be included in the category “mentally defective.”

 

Mental health professionals, advocates for the disabled, and people who support gun rights say this is not right. “Someone can be incapable of managing their funds but not be dangerous, violent or unsafe,” said Dr. Marc Rosen, a Yale psychiatrist who has studied how veterans with mental health problems manage their money. “They are very different determinations.”

 

Comment – John – I am furious over this. My mom died after suffering Alzheimers for years and now my mother in law is suffering from it. This proposal robs them and others of what shred of dignity they have left. As for stopping so-called “gun violence”, when was the last time you heard Grandma involved in a mass murder.

 

Comment- Rachel – I often encounter people who think measures like these are a great step forward. I can often change their minds simply by asking the question: who gets to decide who’s not allowed to have a gun, and what gives them that right?

 

Last week, Maine Governor Paul LePage signed constitutional carry into law.  Maine is the eighth state that does not require a permit to carry concealed weapon.  Constitutional carry applies to all non-prohibited persons over 21 years of age, or over 18 and in the military.  Quoting one maine legislator, “You can open carry in Maine now. All this does is allow open carry gun owners to put on a jacket.”

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Gary-  We have two pieces of good news to report from Oregon. First, the Oregon Supreme court said that law enforcement could not routinely ask if a citizen had a firearm on their person without probable cause.  In this case, the citizen was stopped for J-walking.  Concealed carriers in Oregon do not have a duty to inform a police officer when they are stopped.

 

The second news story is that the anti-gun Democrat House Majority Leader Val Hoyle will no longer face a recall.  Pro-rights groups collected enough signatures to force Hoyle into a recall election, but the recall stopped when Hoyle announced she was leaving office.  Well done Oregon gun owners.   [We did this last week]

 

-Mayor Stephen Reed was indicted.  The Mayor of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania was charged with hundreds of counts covering some 17 separate charges of of theft, bribery and fraud.  Why would we cover the prosecution of a democrat mayor of Harrisburg, pennsylvania.  Mayor Reed is a proud member of Bloomberg’s Mayors against illegal guns.. also known as illegal mayors against guns.

 

Reed used the former Harrisburg funding Authority as a political ATM and withdrew hundreds of thousands of dollars charged to “administrative fees.”

The Mayor bribed members of Harrisburg City Council to pass questionable city bonds.

The Mayor is also charged with taking funds from the city Parking Authority, the Civic Baseball Club and the city School District.

 

With a record like that, Mayor Reed could run for office in Chicago or Trenton.. once he gets out of prison.

 

So far the decision as to whether Catholic churches in Chicago will open their doors to licensed concealed carry holders is left up to each church.  The Catholic Conference of Illinois says it is studying the matter.  Last week Chicago Archbishop Blase Cupich said he supports banning licensed concealed carry holder from entering his churches.

 

Quote “I know that in many dioceses there are policies that firearms are not permitted in churches, and I think that’s that’s only reasonable.. I surely would be supportive of not having any firearms in our churches.”  close quote.

 

From what I read, a Catholic church in Chicago will open its doors to a criminal illegal alien, but turn away a licensed concealed carry holder.  Hmm.

 

Comment – MDA of NJ is starting a Twitter campaign to get Pope Francis to endorse their campaign for “gunsense”.

 

Rob- Church liability?

 

-I wonder if Chicago Archbishop Cupich reads reports from John Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center.  Last week Dr. Lott summarized recent trends in concealed carry, and here is the news we can use.

 

-You know that concealed carry is growing in popularity.  Since President Obama was elected, the number of concealed handgun permits has grown from just under 5 million to almost 13 million today.

-Not only that, but the rate of growth is increasing each year.  Last year the number of permits grew by a record 15% , and this is while more states adopt constitutional carry and don’t require permits.

-The murder rate fell by 25 percent during that same period showing that our guns don’t cause crime.

-Today, the national average is that one out of 19 adults has a permit to carry.

-In five states the licensed carry rate is more common than one in ten adults.

-In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry almost everywhere.

-The face of concealed carry is changing.  Since 2007, permits for women have increased by 270% while permits have only grown by 156% for men.

Evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.

That is good news.

– As you would expect, the number of federal background checks set a new record in June.

 

Rachel- Gun Quotes-

Prohibiting the means of self-defense is clearly the same as prohibiting the right of self-defense.  Unknown Author

 

You know what is really (screwed) up? That Michael Bloomberg and Shannon Watts have more firepower with them than the Marines had in Chattanooga.

Miguel Gonzalez

 

So what symbol of hate needs to come down in Chicago to stop the violence there?

George Hill

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Ed Levine from DC carry-  Ed Levine talks about the murder of Kevin Joseph Sutherland on a Washington DC metro train.

What happened.

media coverage

gun free zone

stay of issuing cc permits in DC

 

Alexander Roubian from nj2as-

Sweeney recall

fear from NJ citizens

85 year old ww 2 vet

reason for fear- event was cancelled

 

gun ranges won’t support the recall

 

more signature gathering events

weekends

mid-week

 

protest ban a sweeney’s house

website- contact events: New Jersey Second Amendment Society

recall sweeney.com  http://www.recallsweeney.com/

 

Anette Wachter-

bolt action 308 155 gr, iron sight, sling support

1000 yds

read the mirage before trusting the flags (every 100 yds along the range)

rifle- rpi quad lock action, stock- jim cloward, kreeger barrel, warner sights.

single and team event, crew served weapon

Palma and Long distance

Palma requires a 3.5 lb trigger.

Precision rifle is more of a sniper layout, magazine feed and uses optics.

Leupold mark 6 (3 to 18 power)

mirage

coriolis effect

wind (flags, mirage drift, near wind, far wind0

elevation

spin drift

 

Rob- Segment 4 DGUs

 

Could you defend yourself as you sit in your car?

Our first story starts late at night in Nashville Tennessee.  A 74 man had just gotten into his car when two teens robbed him.  They took his cell phone and demanded he get out of his car.  The elderly man climbed from his car.. and drew his concealed carry pistol.  He shot one of the robbers but missed the second.  The second robber ran.  The elderly man held the wounded thief for police.  Police are looking for the thief who took the man’s cell phone, but police already determined the shooting was in self-defense.

 

Do you think you’re ready for a gunfight?

Four men pulled up to a convenience store.  The getaway driver stayed in the car while the other three put on masks, drew their guns and stormed into a Super K convenience store in Houston, Texas.  The thieves grabbed a customer and used her as a human shield.  The thieves demanded money from the clerk behind the counter.  Then they beat the clerk when he did not comply fast enough.  Another stove employee heard the robbery and walked into the store from the back room.  He drew his handgun and shot two of the three thieves.  All three fled to their waiting get-away car.  The two wounded criminals later died in a local hospital.  Police are still looking for one of the robbers.  The clerk required stitches to the back of his head.

 

The store owner said most of the employees are armed because the store had already been robbed within the previous month.  Are you ready to take on three armed men?  This store owner didn’t have a choice.

 

Red Molly
A Tallahassee couple’s waking nightmare was a man outside their bedroom door screaming I’m gonna kill you! I’m gonna kill you! She grabbed a phone; he grabbed a gun. The gun got to the scene a lifetime quicker than the cops. The wide-eyed, frothing invader was only five feet from the homeowner when he fired. Struck in the chest, Jarod Clemons, 27, staggered out the smashed front door and back into the night, where he died.

Mr Clemons had had a busy night. It started with a hit of a new street drug Molly, a synthetic variant of Ecstasy cut with unknown substances. It involved jumping from his girlfriend’s moving car, seeking help in a police station, breaking out of an ambulance on the way to a hospital, terrorizing a neighborhood, and finally throwing a planter through the front door of the house where he met his end.

 

In the past year, ERs have seen a sharp increase in patients taking Molly. “Somebody who comes in on Molly is actively psychotic. They’re usually very combative.” said an ER  physician. Our listeners should be aware of the growing threat of the many, new synthetic street drugs. The people they encounter may be impervious to pain, stronger, faster, more aggressive and far less rational than the ordinary criminal. This situation has reminded one cop of the bad old days of Angel Dust, only worse.

 

Man Stops a Firearm Robbery With Open Carry Weapon

“I was at the counter buying bullets with my cousin and I heard some loud bangs. I look up and they are just loading up weapons from the counter and then they run off and my instincts kicked in.” Joey Tapley followed the three robbers outside the store, pulled his open carry weapon and stopped one of the thieves. “I told him drop the gun man, mine is loaded, just drop the gun. We made eye contact for a second or two and he dropped two guns and ran,” Police later arrested the three teenagers and an unidentified woman.

Tapley carries a gun openly and says his effort wouldn’t have been possible without Governor Brownback’s approval of the open-carry law that took effect on July 1.

While we applaud the results of Tapley’s actions, we must point out that he took an awful lot upon himself. As no lives were being threatened, many self-defense instructors would advise the armed citizen not to get involved in these situation. The risks are huge. Things could have gone south very quickly, as they did in the following DGU:
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John- Customer Follows/ Shoots Robber
An early morning trip to a New Orleans gas station turned  into a fight for survival for an armed citizen attempting to stop a robbery suspect. The thief got the stations cash as well as the man’s wallet. The victim went to his car, retrieved a firearm, and confronted the escaping robber.  Shots were exchanged and the thief collapsed after running a few steps. The criminal is in critical condition and will be booked on two counts of armed robbery, possession of stolen property and possession of illegal narcotics if he survives.

Again in this instance, the armed citizen acted when there was no active threat to himself or others. He put his life, his future, his family and his finances all on the line. Many jurisdictions would not look kindly upon these actions. The man luckily survived the shootout. It’s unknown if he will have similar luck with the legal system.

 

For all of us that carry a firearm in public, it’s up to us to educate ourselves and decide in advance what we would do if we were confronted by a similar situation.

 

Vietnam Vet Shoots Robber
Sometimes, you just have to do what you have to do. A Vietnam Vet found himself in the proverbial box one afternoon. His trip to a Sycamore, Georgia gas station was altered with the words; “Put the money in the bag!” Don Rogers looked up and saw a man pointing a pistol at the clerk.

 

With another’s life and his own in obvious danger, Rogers acted. He pulled his CCW. “When I did, he looked over at me and turned my way and I fired a shot. And he grabbed his side and then I fired two more shots before he got out the door,” Rogers said.

 

A shaken Rogers related; “Well, I was hoping nothing like this would ever happen, but I was glad I had my weapon with me… I just did what I had to do.” The store clerk says Don Rogers may have saved his life. Turner County Sheriff Andy Hester observed; “These people that’ll go out and do this kind of stuff need to realize – it ain’t always gonna fare to their favor, just because they’re a predator.”

The predator and his female accomplice called 911 from three miles away. She’s in jail as an accessory to armed robbery, he’s in a Macon hospital in critical condition. A gas station clerk and Don Rogers are alive and well — he just did what he had to do.

 

A Robber’s Here, Daddy

Out of the mouths of babes… A three year old toddler startled his father with the words “A robber’s here, daddy.” Seconds later, the Eldorado, Ohio homeowner faced a masked, obscenity-shouting gunman. Forced to protect the five members of his family, the man shot once, hitting the intruder in the chest. Police found the robber unconscious in the home’s front hallway. He died at nearby hospital. The parents say they did not know the 22-year-old criminal.

Stay armed, stay alert, and stay safe out there – it’s an increasingly dangerous world.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

I wrote about Taxing Washington State Politicians.  The Seattle City Council wanted to tax law abiding gun owners because of the harm criminals do with guns.  I proposed a new tax on all politicians because of the harm some politicians have done.

 

I have a second series of posts wrote about armed citizens standing guard outside military recruiting centers and armories.  These articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland,  and at my blog, slow facts dot word press dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors has started a campaign to get Cabela’s to not release firearms purchases after the three day period if the NICS check comes back as “delay/hold”. As I said in my blog post, has anyone from that organization ever bought a firearm at Cabela’s? I have and they have the most comprehensive process for gun sales I’ve ever seen. It is computerized, it involves double checking entries, and it involves managers. Moreover, according to the FBI itself, a person is assumed to be eligible to purchase a firearm unless they find a disqualifying factor. A delay or hold means the FBI wants to check a little deeper but they haven’t found a reason to deny the person. Under Federal law, after three days, the dealer is allowed to transfer the firearm. It is not an “incomplete check” as stated by the gun prohibitionists.

 

You can find this post and many more at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank alexander roubian from the new Jersey second amendment society, Anette Wachter- the thirty call gal, and Ed Levian from dc carry for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 339 – Melody Lauer

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/339.mp3

Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Melody Lauer

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Saturday July 11th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Melody Lauer about Sheepdog Mommas.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the gun used in a California shooting that was stolen… from a federal agent.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a group of thugs try to break into a store that sells class 3 firearms, they made a big mistake.

I’m Natalie Foster, and we find out why background checks didn’t stop the AME church murderer. So climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 339 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob-  Eddie eagle, dry practice,

John – I spent a few hours today at the local gun show working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth. I think we signed up 5 new members. We also handed out an alert asking people to contact their NC State Senators. We are asking the Senate to restore the parts cut out of the gun rights bill that passed the NC house last month. Ending the pistol purchase permit system and making sure that docs cannot require you to answer written questionnaires on gun ownership were key parts of the omnibus bill.

Doc Wesson and I are working to organize a 2-3 day training class in the Greensboro area of North Carolina this fall. A date has not been set. It will feature Grant Cunningham and Paul Carlson. There will be a segment on defensive handgun use, defensive revolver, and possibly one day on carbines. If you are interested, see the show notes for contact info for me and Doc.

Other than that, I’d like to ask listeners to keep my mother in law Grace in their thoughts and prayers. She is moving from a rehab facility to a nursing home this coming week. Barb will be leaving in the morning for St. Louis to help with the move.  (John – If your wife needs anything, be sure to give me a call. Dan)

Natalie- http://www.nrawomen.tv/love-at-first-shot  New season with Julie Golob coming out soon.

Gary-

Paul- Busy week. Lots of running, we record this one on Saturday evening and I need to leave again Sunday morning. I usually run Monday through Friday, with an occasional Saturday morning. My boss needs me to fill in on running nationally again for a few weeks so I might need to take a few weeks off from the show. I will stick my head in if I can, but no guarantees. I have a GREAT team around me and I know if I cannot make it in they will do a good job.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

Mention Go Fund Me for GRPC equipment/  http://www.gofundme.com/fg2dhw

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Seg 2- News

The first 2 stories are related to the failure of background checks. 1 they never would have been utilized 2 they failed, we could mention something in the throw to Susan.

Kathryn Steinle’s Killer Used a Federal Agent’s Gun

It now looks like the government that enabled Kathryn Steinle’s killer to be on that San Francisco pier — also armed him. This adds a bitter, ironic twist to an already tragic event. Leaked information has tied the .40 caliber Glock murder weapon to a Bureau of Land Management Ranger. The Ranger was in San Francisco on official business when his automobile was burglarized. The police did not start an investigation on the gun theft until after Steinle’s murder. The Bureau of Land Management is coordinating with the San Francisco Police, but there is very little official information at this time. Why the wildland agent was in San Francisco and why the pistol was left unattended have not been disclosed.

The Steinle murder has ignited a firestorm over immigration policy, sanctuary cities, lax sentencing, parole and recidivism. Police, Sheriffs, ICE bureaucrats, city officials and politicians are desperately trying to smear one another. Predictably, San Francisco Representative, House Minority Leader and sanctuary city supporter Nancy Pelosi wasted no time before once again demanding more gun control. She opined that Congress has a moral responsibility to act. Unfortunately, that moral responsibility does not seem to extend to the wholesale violations of the country’s laws.

Obama’s White House has been largely silent on Kathryn Steinle’s killing, her illegal alien murderer, and the serious problems of sanctuary cities and current immigration policy.

FBI Background Check Allowed Charleston Emanuel AME Church Killer To Buy Gun – Emailed in by Listener Anthony L

FBI Director James B. Comey admitted that the FBI’s NICS system failed and allowed the Charleston Emanuel AME church murderer to buy his firearm over the counter. The breakdown resulted from several FBI and local law enforcement errors. There were failures in the human component as well as the design of the NICS database. Comey has ordered a 30-day review of procedures and processes that led to the failure. FBI agents in South Carolina have met with the victim’s families to explain.

The killer’s admission to a felony drug crime should have been noted in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). That admission should have red-flagged the killer’s application. According to Comey, information had been incorrectly entered in into the FBI’s databases. In addition, South Carolina law enforcement agencies confused the situation or did not respond in a timely manner. “It’s not clear why that happened,” Comey said of the errors, “but it made a big difference.” As a result of the “highly improbable“ bureaucratic errors, the killer’s NICS check did not reject him, and he walked out of the gun store with a pistol.

The failure is worrisome, as the $100 million a year system failed to do what it needed to do. There is a growing body of evidence that the NICS system actually catches very few criminals, who normally get their weapons from uncontrolled back-alley purchases. In a prior year, only 11 criminals were successfully prosecuted through the NICS system. That’s about $9 Mil per conviction. One hundred million could pay for a lot of cops on the street, doing a lot more to fight crime. Instead of giving the gun-control community pause, these shortfalls have only resulted in more strident calls for gun-control, including every gun sale to go through the NICS system.

It is heartbreaking to realize that the nine AME parishioners in essence relied upon the false security of the NICS check at the cost of their lives. They believed the failed gun-control measures would keep them safe. Safe from the very evil they knew existed.

Gun-walking, much?

New Jersey is at it Again

Chris Christie’s New Jersey is at it again: bringing the full weight of the state against an innocent CCW carrier.

Brian Fletcher mobilized his crew to help repair cell phone tower damage in Trenton, New Jersey. He left his North Carolina home in less than an hour, responding to an emergency plea from New Jersey. There, he was approached by a police officer. Fletcher handed over his ID and as a good North Carolina citizen, naturally informed the cop that he had his CCW in his work truck.

Ignoring Fletcher’s critical disaster relief work and NC CCW permit, the cop arrested and charged him for carrying a firearm, a Class 2 felony in the Garbage State. We now think that if a New Jersey cop approaches, you should only give him your name, rank and serial number, as you are in enemy territory.

Fletcher is now at home in North Carolina, free on a $25,000 dollar bond. His lawyer is trying for pre-trial intervention and hoping for a pardon. We wish NJ governor Christie would shake off his food coma and do the right thing. We hope he immediately frees an innocent man, rather than waiting for the right time in his presidential campaign.  And big guy, fix your damn state’s insane gun laws NOW, or you can choke on your overfed political ambitions.

Rob- pro tip- check your luggage and pants cuffs!

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Backdoor Gun Restrictions In Denver

Gun restrictions can come from a variety of directions.  Thanks to some fine investigational work by our own John Richardson, we now know that the City of Denver has modified the International Fire Code to limit the amount of small arms cartridges in a residence to 10,000. This Denver specific amendment was first instituted in 2008 with little notice. NSSF tests have shown that modern firearm cartridges in any amount are no danger in a fire. The IFC does contain a limit of 10,000 primers; which is reasonable, as primers are explosive in bulk.

It is not known why Denver made the nonsensical amendment. However, our Denver listeners might just want to inquire – loudly. Other listeners might want to keep an eye on their local Building Code bureaucrats.

In the show notes we have the text of Denver’s amendment.

SECTION 3306 (2008)

SMALL ARMS AMMUNITION

Add Section 3306.4.3 as follows:

3306.4.3 Small arms cartridges. No more than 10,000 small arms cartridges shall be stored in any Group R (Residential) occupancy

John – I am still trying to find out if the Denver addition is part of the 2015 revision of the IFC. Many cities adopt the IFC in its totality into their own building codes.

Rob- Sporting Ammunition and the Fire Fighter: What Happens When Ammo Burns? – SAAMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SlOXowwC4c

Seattle’s Worst: Proposal to tax gun sales and ammunition purchases

The power to tax is the power to destroy. That seems to be what Seattle City Council President Tim Burgess is about with his proposed $25 per firearm and 5 cents per round of ammunition tax. It should be obvious, even to a politician, that people will just go outside the Seattle limits to make their firearm and ammo purchases. City gun stores would suffer and close, making it more difficult for residents to exercise their Second Amendment Rights, which is likely the real intent.

Burgess justifies his sin tax with the old refrain of gun violence expense. No mention was made of the expense that could come with NOT having a gun. Any tax revenues would be used to fund gun violence prevention programs. Historically, these programs have largely been ineffective boon-doggles.

The NSSF and Alan Gotlieb are already planning their Seattle lawsuits. Larry Keane of the NSSF said “The NSSF will vigorously oppose this misguided attempt to blame the lawful and regulated commerce in firearm and ammunition products for the violent acts of criminal,”

Alan Gottlieb said “It looks like we will get to sue Seattle again and notch another win,” “We have already sued them under the Washington preemption law and won before. They make winning firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time fun!”

We wish Alan Gotlieb all the fun he can handle!

Rob- The city council said guns cause problems, so gun owners should pay. Are the police immune from these taxes?  I want to tax the politicians for all the unemployment they cause?

Drive to Recall Oregon Democratic Leader Ends as She Will Step Down

A move to recall Democratic House Majority Leader Val Hoyle over gun control legislation was halted when the lawmaker announced she was stepping down. Hoyle announced that she was leaving her House leadership position and will focus “on getting out of the building.

The petition drive had collected enough signatures to force a recall. However, a complaint had been filed challenging the petition circulation as improper. Given the expense of fighting the allegation, and that the recall has largely met its desired goals, the Hoyle recall was ended to focus resources on the recall of two other anti-gun legislators.  Oregon!!!!

Lynne Russell Opens Fire at the Chattering Class – Also emailed in by Anthony L

Lynne Russell is rapidly become the Poster Girl of many gunnies.  Relieved that her hero husband will survive his five gunshot wounds, she has turned her guns on the chattering class that’s making much of the Motel 6 shoot-out.

She described the attack in detail, and her and her husband’s actions, then Russell really opened up:

“The United States of America is a great country. You can debate absolutely anything, whether or not it has merit, and whether or not it’s any of your business. But guns? There’s nothing to debate. Throw out all the numbers and expert opinions. I’ve got your expert right here, and it’s called EXPERIENCE.

Now, ask me how I feel about the Right to Bear Arms. Here’s the truth:

  1. Criminals will always have guns, this is not about them.
  2. Americans have a constitutional right to bear arms. Humans have a right to defend themselves. If we didn’t have the Second Amendment, we would create it.
  3. You can’t control everything; but if it makes you feel better, go with a simple law preventing violent offenders from buying firearms. Make it “violent” offenders rather than “white collar” offenders, or most of Capitol Hill won’t be allowed to own them.
  4. Get a gun, get legal, be responsible, trust yourself. Don’t trust yourself? Then don’t carry. But for God’s sake then, shut the (fudge) up about it, because that’s where your involvement ends.”

All we can say is: You GO Girl!

Cuomo Shelves Background Checks On Ammo Purchase

In one of those Friday afternoon news dumps that politicians hope you miss, New York State and its anti-gun governor Andrew Cuomo have decided to suspend the requirement for background checks for ammunition purchases. While Cuomo made these background checks a key part of his NY SAFE Act, he ordered a key aide to sign a memorandum of understanding with the State Senate Majority Leader, Republican James J. Flanagan suspending the checks. The memorandum citing “the lack of adequate technology,” said the database “cannot be established and/or function in the manner originally intended at this time.”

In other words, Cuomo finally realized that trying to do background checks on a box of .22 LR was a boondoggle that wasn’t going to work. Democrats in the State Assembly and Senate criticized the move calling it “an ill-advised end run around the Legislature and the Safe Act.”

Natalie foster- Gun Quotes – “I’m not a “CCWer”, I’m not an “OCer”. I’m not in your Jets or your Sharks. I’m not a Sheepdog. My gun has less emotional freight or symbolic significance to me than my watch and only slightly more than my shoes. It’s a thing I carry around so that, should the necessity of fool-shooting be forced upon me, I will have something with which to shoot said fools.” — Tamara Keel

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

http://jezebel.com/mommy-get-your-gun-an-investigation-of-mothers-packing-1711447307

Melody Lauer-

Are guns a hazard to children?

Why do moms want guns in the home?

What does it take to be safely have a firearm in the home?

Why do we hear such polar extremes?

Segment 4 DGUs

Chicagoland Police Chief – Gun possessors are potential murderers.

Despite recent success, when faced with explaining a bloody 4th of July weekend,  Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy knew just who to blame – the law-abiding gun owner.  “It’s real simple,” he said, “Gun possessors are potential murderers. If they don’t learn a lesson for carrying the gun, they keep carrying the gun. They get into an argument, now instead of fighting, they shoot.” McCarthy said there need to be stricter gun laws and blamed “the gun lobby” for the lack of political motivation to pass them.

All this was said in light of a man with 45 criminal convictions, including a recent arrest for gun possession for which he only spent a single night in jail. That man, a high ranking gang member, was involved in a gang shoot-out that killed his son. McCarthy said the system failed the seven year old boy. We can clearly see that Chicago’s failed legal system desperately needs revising. The Second Amendment does not.

I think we all know who is simple.

Rob- Who is this cop calling a risk?  licensed gun owners are more law abiding than the police?

Victim Selection Process Fail: Houston Gun Store

Two, perhaps three, criminals decided on an adventure at a Houston area gun stone. They were obviously planning on acquiring firearms without going through the NICS background check. What they didn’t plan on was the owner of the Class 3 Weapons gun store meeting them at the door. The owner fired his shotgun, killing one of the burglars. The other ran away, followed by a hail of pistol shots. That man is still on the loose.

This is the second time in recent memory that the gun store had been robbed. Several months ago a vehicle had been used to break through the store’s wall. Police are questioning the owner and have not indicated if he’ll face charges. The case is expected to be referred to the Houston Grand Jury.  When asked about the robbery of a gun store, the police spokeswoman merely shrugged and said “It’s Houston.”

Rob- When does shooting at criminals become a competitive sport?

74 year old man with CCW shoots two teenage attackers

74-year-old Larry Dean Claybaker was getting into his car in Nashville when he was robbed by two teenage thugs. They took his cellphone and told him to get out of the car.  That’s when Claybaker pulled a pistol from his pocket and fired one round at each suspect.

Keion Andreas Hayes, 17, was hit in the stomach. He was held at gunpoint until the police took him into custody. His accomplice ran away with Claybaker’s cell phone and has not been arrested. Hayes will likely face juvenile court after he is released from the hospital. Police said Claybaker will not be charged as he was legally carrying concealed and acted in self-defense.

Two young thugs against a 74 year old man… we think that is more than sufficient disparity of force. Well done, Larry, excuse me, Mr Claybaker.

Man Shoot Ex-Boyfriend

A tony, gated Maryland neighborhood was the scene of a shooting early Monday morning.  The resident called 911 around 2:30 a.m. to report that he had just shot someone who was breaking into his home. Police found thirty year old Craig Ivan Corbin Jr. of Baltimore at the scene, killed trying to climb through a window. Police say the two individuals had a prior romantic relationship.

Police have not said if they will charge the resident.

Woman Shoots Abusive Boyfriend

Faced with a dangerously abusive boyfriend, a New Orleans woman retrieved her gun and shot the man. Randy Johnson spent the Fourth brutally abusing, hitting, pinning and strangling his girlfriend. She broke up their relationship with a shot to his groin. (aaaaaaaaaaaaaa)

Johnson was hospitalized with a gunshot wound to his… err… Johnson.  He was released from the hospital on July 5 and booked on one count of domestic abuse battery by strangulation.

The woman’s gun certainly made a difference In her life. It may have also made a difference in her attacker’s.  However at this time, it is not known if Randy Johnson will be changing his name to Rhonda Johnson.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Email from Lynn D

I love your podcast. Don’t change a thing. I like the relevance and the slight irreverence

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/07/04/is-that-common-sense-gun-control-or-more-spin/

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/07/09/the-golden-age-of-self-defense-training/

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/07/10/voters-guilty-in-young-womans-murder/

Ammoland, Clash Daily, and my blog slow facts dot word press dot com

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I want to refer listeners to a short post I did on Friday. I found a highly ironic photo of Hillary Clinton pushing more gun control while campaigning in Iowa. The backdrop is an Iowa state flag which features the motto: “Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain.”

That and other posts can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Episode 338 – Lots of California News

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, July 5th, 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with Anna Maria Hoffman from counter cultured.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about former California Sen. Leland Yee’s guilty plea to his arms smuggling charges.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a former CNN anchor that is happy they don’t follow the CNN rhetoric on guns.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll hear great news about Kansas that makes all of us Texans a bit jealous.  So climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 338 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Cleaned some guns.  Dry practice.  Bill Frady commented on one of my articles on his Lock and Load Radio program.

 

John – I’m baaack! What I thought was going to be a one week absence from the show turned into two weeks due to my mother-in-law suffering a fractured pelvis. She is on the mend and is in an acute rehab facility.

 

While I was gone I got to meet Charlie Foxtrot in person. We had a great time over lunch. I couldn’t thank him enough for all the help he has been to us on the podcast. As an aside – and Rob will be interested in this – Charlie has a really nice classic open cockpit sailboat.

 

Doc Wesson mentioned me on the last Gun Nation podcast. We are trying to get Grant Cunningham and Paul Carlson to a class in NC.

 

In gun related stuff, I presented my nephew with a Ruger 10/22 in stainless for his combined 18th birthday/HS graduation gift. The rifle was one that my late father-in-law had set aside for him. I just added a nice red dot sight on it. Grant was very excited to get it. I’ve also started to re-read John Ross’ classic book about the gun culture entitled Unintended Consequences.

 

Gary- Had a strange exception from FedEx on some ammo LuckyGunner.com was helpful with information about that. Helped some former students with their IL FCCL applications. Cleaning guns I have to put another 100 rounds through with no malfunctions before I switch over to the Para.

 

Rachel- Last weekend I instructed a ladies-only rifle marksmanship course at Battle Road. We set this up for some folks from A Girl & A Gun. They’re the best. I always love hanging out with those ladies. I knew it was going to be a great weekend when I was standing at the gate in the pouring rain to welcome them on the first morning, and they all came rolling in in their trucks and jeeps with big smiles on their faces, ready to work rain or shine. And we had a good deal of both! We instructors noted several differences with this line: lots of yoga mats, not so many shooting mats; almost all centerfires (mostly AR-15’s), carts for gear, and of course a different dynamic that comes with the female-only courses. Can’t wait to have the Girl & A Gun ladies out again for another shoot.

 

Meanwhile, we’re gearing up for more Battle Road courses this fall. There’s our Zombie Run on October 10, which is already around half-way full. Besides that, we’re looking at a precision rifle course to learn the math and science behind those sniper shots, some intro to firearms and self defense courses geared toward women, CHL classes, and as always, our normal tactical pistol and shotgun classes. I’d like to remind our listeners that we offer specialized courses tailored to your group, and we also love doing private courses. Let us know how we can help you out.

 

I’m also preparing for the 2-week girls’ camp that I lead, Academy 31. It is August 2-14 this year and I will be teaching firearms to all the girls who come.

 

Paul-  I need to apologize to the listeners. I did not finish editing the show Sunday night before I HAD to get to bed, so took the laptop with me to go to work on Monday. I figured that I would get some time monday or Tuesday to finish editing the show and get it uploaded, yeah right. I did not finish it until Wednesday evening, and what was supposed to be a mid week show did not release until after I got home on Saturday.

 

I had a GREAT time shooting with friends on Saturday morning. We had 5 new shooters! Well almost, 2 of the 5 had shot before, but not for more than 5 years and so we counted them in as among the newbies. 3 of them actually took their first handgun shots yesterday. This has brought about a bit of a dilemma for me.

 

I was fortunate enough to be considered among the most trained handgun shooters in our informal gathering so it fell on to me to do a safety briefing and help the newer shooters out.  I absolutely fell in love with helping them.

 

One thing that I have always asserted is that I am NOT a firearms instructor. I got involved with handgun shooting to protect myself and my family and started the podcast because I thought that I could help make a difference in the direction that our nation was headed. I don’t like to follow. One reason that it took over a year and a half for us to start doing DGU stories is that I didn’t want to do the same thing that The Gun Dudes and Cam Edwards did on their shows.  In the same vein a  LOT of podcast hosts are trainers, and again I have never wanted to follow the pack.

 

Now having said all that I am actually considering going through the steps to become an instructor. I truly loved helping out the new shooters take their first steps and would like to be able to do more of it.

 

I got a chance to put a few magazines worth of ammo through the H&K VP9 while I was at the range. Talk about a SWEET gun! I do not like the mag release on it, but that is about the only thing that I can say negative about the gun. On slow fire at 15 feet the group that I fired could have been covered by a half dollar coin. 15 feet rapid fire could have been covered by a dollar bill, one that had been cut in half. I don’t know how but H&K has defied the laws of physics, they made a lightweight full size double stack 9mm that has next to no recoil and feels great in your hand.

 

Kathy Jackson class coming to Sioux Falls on August 15th and 16th. We are extending the free handgun retention class for paid class members until July 10th. If you email Susan@politicsandguns.com to register and pay for your class by July 10th you get the 4 hour handgun retention class for free. this class is a $50 value.

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Anti-gun Cali Senator Yee Guilty of Corruption

California Senator Leland Yee has long been a thorn in the side of many of the state’s citizens.  He was a San Francisco hard leftist, unrestrained free-spender, and a virulent anti-gunner even by California’s wild standards. He was given an A+ rating by the Brady Bunch and named to their Gun Violence Prevention Honor Roll. So, it was a bit of a surprise when the Feds arrested the powerful, well-connected politician for corruption and gun-running.

 

In an 88 page indictment, Yee was accused of providing automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenades to California’s extremely violent Chinese drug gangs. He was also accused of money laundering, murder-for-hire, and drug distribution.

This week, Yee and several confederates pled guilty to a single count of racketeering conspiracy. He could face a quarter million dollar fine and twenty years in prison. HIs primary criminal partner, tong leader Raymond “Shrimp Boy” Chow, was not part of the plea deal. Also not included were the gun-running, money laundering, murder-for-hire, and drug distribution charges. There’s hope that these charges are being deferred to assure Yee’s cooperation in a widening investigation of California’s endemic political corruption. It is also possible that these charges will be dismissed in a dysfunctional legal system.

We can only wish Leland Yee a long and healthy life behind the bars of a Federal maximum security prison.  With lots of his political friends for company.

 

Woman Killed by Paroled Illegal Alien With Multiple Felonies, Multiple Deportations

Kathryn Steinle, 32, was shot to death at a popular San Francisco tourist spot, a victim of political correctness as surely as if the elites themselves pulled the trigger. The man charged with her murder is a hardened thug, an illegal alien deported five times, and a criminal with seven felony convictions to his record, four of them involving narcotics. He was on parole for yet another crime. Francisco Sanchez, 45, is a reprehensible man, an evil man. Yet, he was allowed to traverse the border and country seemingly at will, stay here illegally, and largely avoid any significant punishment for his crimes. The first day of July, a man that should have been behind bars or a thousand miles away, took a gun he wasn’t allowed to have as a felon, in a city that is largely a gun-free zone, and went to a tourist attraction looking for someone to kill. There, without a word, he shot a random stranger through the heart.

Sanchez’ latest outrage started in March, when he was turned over to San Francisco police on an outstanding drug warrant by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. ICE officials issued a detainer at that time, requesting notification prior to his release so arrangements could be made to take custody. However, ICE knew that San Francisco had declared itself a “sanctuary city” and that the request would not be honored. ICE effectively, cynically washed their hands of him. Sanchez was also in violation of his ongoing Texas parole. His legal status, his prior convictions, his parole violations didn’t matter: San Francisco released him on an unsuspecting public.

A few weeks later, Katy Steinle, a beautiful, vibrant young woman lay dying in a pool of her own blood, begging her distraught father to help her.

 

There can be no better – or worse – reason why we fight for our Second Amendment Rights. No greater proof of why we must be our own first responders. We. Are. On. Our. Own. We cannot afford to do otherwise. Not when our own governments favor criminals over the law abiding. Not when feel-good sentiments trump reason and justice. Not when our governments seek to remove our most effective means of self-defense against the evil they nurture.

 

TV News Crews Robbed at Gunpoint While Filming Story of San Francisco Pier Shooting

Further illustrating just how well San Francisco’s draconian anti-gun policies are working; several TV news crews were robbed at gunpoint while filming the story of Kathryn Steinle’s shooting death at the San Francisco Embarcadero. Three males in dark clothing, one with dreadlocks, participated in the early morning attack. They drove a late-model BMW with aftermarket rims and no license plates. The armed attack resulted in several injuries and a significant loss of TV station property. This seem completely implausible, as San Francisco is almost entirely a gun-free zone.

 

It’s hard, okay – impossible, not to indulge in a bit of schadenfreude.  The city’s media have long been eager supporters of Frisco’s many harsh and intrusive anti-gun laws. Law-abiding citizens find it difficult to legally possess a firearm for protection even within their own homes. The lawless find no impediment, as the TV news crews can testify. Our glee is somewhat tempered, as this event will undoubtedly lead to still more ineffective anti-gun proposals to limit the rights of the law-abiding. But, that’s life in Baghdad by the Bay.

 

Kansas is Now a Constitutional Carry State

As of July 1st, Kansas is a Constitutional Carry state! The recent NRA backed bill provided for permitless concealed carry became effective the first day of July. Kansas already enjoyed open carry.

Congratulations, Jayhawkers! You’ve made us proud!

 

Rachel: OK, NRA. You backed permitless carry for Kansas? What about Texas?

 

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One in Three ‘Muricans Owns Guns

Columbia University recently published a study on gun ownership. Interestingly, the study was performed by an assistant professor of of epidemiology. That’s the science that studies the patterns, causes, and effects of disease conditions. Could it be… biased? Yet, the study found mostly positive results for gun owners. The study holds that one out of three Americans owns a gun. Ownership by state ranges from Alaska’s high of 61.7 percent to the lows of Delaware’s 5.2 percent. Most gun owners were white males 55 and above (guilty!) and the majority were married (Guilty and sentenced to life.)

 

Anti-gunners have claimed for years that rising gun sales, soaring concealed carry applications, and record breaking background check figures all indicate that gun ownership was shrinking. The  2014 General Social Survey study claimed that approximately 1 in 5 Americans owned a gun and that the number was diminishing.

 

None of the studies seem to take into account that Americans often refuse to admit to owning a gun when asked by an unrecognized voice on the telephone (Oh so guilty!)

 

‘Muricans Don’t Want Gun Control Discussed in 2016 Elections

A Suffolk University/USA TODAY survey finds that Americans do not want gun control to be a significant portion of the 2016 election discussions. The survey was performed just a week after the attack on the Charleston Emanuel AME church. 52 to 43% do not want further gun control discussions. Similarly, 56 to 40% do not believe expanded background checks would reduce mass shootings.

The Suffolk study comes months after the PEW study that found the majority of Americans supported gun rights rather than more gun control: 52 to 46%. The Suffolk study supports the PEW study and further confounds the challenges by Bloomberg and the Huffington Post.

You know, it’s a bit disconcerting, although nice, to be in the majority for a change.  ;^)’

 

Chris P. Cream Christie Creates Panel to Delay Changes to NJ Gun Laws

Showing none of the aggressive, decisive behavior he’s known for around the buffet table, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has created a panel to recommend possible changes to New Jersey gun laws. This is a rather transparent way of avoiding any of the substantive changes he could make to New Jersey’s abusive and unConstitutional gun laws. Christie is obviously feeling a little pressure in his ample hindquarters from the Carol Bowne killing. Her tragic death points a finger at New Jersey’s deliberate mishandling of the CCW permit process.

 

Show friend Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society believes that Christie could write an executive order accepting self-defense as a justifiable need to carry arms. Christie could also address the unlawful delays in answering the request for a CCW.

Christie’s use of the advisory panel is just a way of providing cover while he attempts to position himself as a conservative presidential candidate. It is disingenuous in the extreme, disrespectful of the memory of Carol Bowne, and smacks of contempt for lawful gun owners and the Second Amendment. It will be a cold day in the fat farm before many gun owners vote for Christie. Choke on your overfed ambitions, big guy.

 

What to Do When Your Doctor Asks About Your Guns
Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership  (DR GO) is out with recommendations of what to do when your doctor asks about your guns. Surprisingly, they don’t recommend lying like a rug, but instead favor a graduated response ranging from a polite refusal to answer the questions to submitting a complaint to the doctor’s licensing board. It’s all very interesting reading, especially when the Feds have access to everyone’s medical records. The link can be found in the show notes.

 

damn lies and statistics

The tyrant Joseph Stalin famously said “Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.”  The same can be said of statistics when the United States murder rate is compared to other countries.

 

For example, England and Wales do not count murders in their statistic unless there’s a conviction. The U.S. could cut its murder statistics in half simply by adopting the same practice.  That shows that country to country comparisons are hardly comparing apples with apples.  What these statistics won’t show us is that the trend in homicide with a firearm have been going down in the US as gun ownership increased, and going up in Britain as they banned civilian ownership of handguns.  Gun-related crime has doubled in England and Wales in the past ten years.  While the armed homicide rate in the US dropped by 40 percent over the last 25 years.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/bogus_gun_control_successes_uk_edition.html

 

Gun Quotes for the 5th of July

Rachel- Posterity! You will never know, how much it cost the present Generation, to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make a good Use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it. John Adams, second president of these United States.

 

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CNN Anchor Saved By The Gun

Thank you to listener Anthony for sending this in.

It’s fortunate that two former CNN On-Air personalities didn’t believe the anti-gun rhetoric spouted by their past employer. CNN anchor Lynne Russell and her correspondent husband Chuck de Caro were robbed late one night in an Albuquerque motel. Their assailant was a convicted criminal wanted for violating his Memphis parole.

 

Russell had left the hotel room to get something from her car. Tomorio Walton surprised Russell with a gun to the head and forced her back into the room, throwing her on the bed and demanding her valuables. de Caro emerged naked and dripping from the shower into that desperate scene. Russell relates; “The man was just wild. He was pointing the gun, and the way that he was acting, it was as if he’d done it before. I suddenly realized that it wouldn’t bother him at all to pull the trigger.” Fortunately, both Russell and de Capo were concealed carry permit holders and had their firearms in the motel room.
For a time, it looked like the thief would be content with de Caro’s briefcase. But he turned around and opened fire. “My husband returned fire. And he’s a better shot.” said Russell. Police reported that multiple rounds were fired by each man. de Caro was hit twice in the abdomen and once in the leg. However, he was indeed the better shot, as the assailant stopped his attack and staggered into the parking lot, where he died. de Caro was taken to an area hospital and is expected to make a complete recovery.

Many media outlets reported that Russell and de Caro had CCW permits. Although, the ever-partisan New York Times hid the the fact of their CCW permits in the story’s last paragraph. CNN conveniently forgot to mention that their former employees were legally carrying firearms. However, we will commend Russell and de Caro for recognizing that the Cable New Network’s anti-gun agitprop was and is the stuff of nonsense. Believing that idiocy can get you killed — on the street — or in a Motel 6.

 

One Dead, One Wounded, Five Saved in Las Vegas

Using the ol’ “My car is broken, can I use your phone?” ploy, a woman tricked a child into opening the front door of a Las Vegas home.  Her armed accomplice rushed past Tiffany Carter, AKA Tarnesha Harris, who had forced the door and grabbed the child to silence him. Armed with a stolen pistol, Willie M. Pro ran down a hallway and kicked open the door of a bedroom.

That’s when their carefully planned home invasion was literally blown off the rails.

Behind Door Number One was Jesus Sanchez. Jesus was armed. Jesus! (You shouldn’t include the exclamation. It was too tempting for an itinerant wordsmith. ;^)’  ) Pro staggered back into the hallway, wounded. However, he still had his handgun, and with the child nearby and in danger, Sanchez fired another telling shot. The badly wounded suspect dropped his pistol, turned and ran toward his getaway vehicle.

 

The 12-year-old managed to get Harris’ hands from his mouth and scream for help. A  mother’s instinct drove Sofia Velado from her bedroom. The obsessively-focused Harris ran into the room to steal Velado’s purse. Once back in the hallway, Harris struggled with Velador, forcing several shots by Sanchez. Finally breaking off her attack, the wounded Harris crawled to the car and escaped. But not before Sanchez fired a shot from an AK-47 at the fleeing felons.

Police arrived at the home several minutes later to find Sanchez outside, standing guard with his AK-47. Fortunately, he immediately followed the cops’ instructions and dropped the rifle. While evaluating the confusing scene, police received a call from a hospital about two people with multiple gunshot wounds. Willie M. Pro died from his wounds. Harris was flown to a trauma center in critical condition.

 

Tarnesha Harris will likely survive her gunshots. She has been booked for conspiracy, attempted murder, home invasion and robbery, all with a deadly weapon. She and her deceased accomplice were found to possess extensive criminal records, although relatively little punishment. Thanks to the actions of Jesus, the Velador family survived their hellish home-invasion.

There’s a lot to be learned from this chaotic self-defense situation: Never allow a door to be opened for a stranger. Have a weapon at the ready. Criminals may stick to their goals even when the stuffing has hit the fan. Pistols are not guaranteed stoppers. When you can, go for the long-gun. Follow the cops’ commands immediately. And when the criminals break off their attack and are no longer a threat, for dog’s sake, let them go. All that being said, we unreservedly commend Sanchez for his actions which saved the four other members of his family.

 

Man Shoots Grandma and Pays for It

Degarrian Santonia Coleman, 31, was driving with his grandmother in Charlotte, North Carolina Tuesday morning when he got into an argument with her. The argument became heated and Coleman shot his grandmother in the leg causing her to crash her car into a telephone pole. Hearing the crash, Steve Sellers, a former Mecklenburg County prosecutor, came out to investigate.

 

He saw Coleman still holding the gun on his grandmother. Sellers told Coleman to drop the firearm and when Coleman didn’t, shot him. Both Coleman and his grandmother were taken to Carolinas Medical Center where Coleman later died. His grandmother is expected to recover.

 

While the case is being reviewed by the Mecklenburg County District Attorney’s Office, North Carolina law allows you to intervene if someone’s life is being threatened.

 

Rob- Pro-tip- Don’t shoot your driver.

 

Alabama Home Invasion Goes Bad….For The Home Invaders

Two armed home invaders kicked in the door of a Tuscaloosa, Alabama apartment on Monday afternoon. This awoke the tenant who was sleeping in his second-floor apartment. Fortunately, he was able to arm himself with a handgun. The would-be victim shot one of the alleged burglars, and both suspects ran out of the apartment and jumped over the second floor railing trying to flee the scene.

 

Courtney Campbell, 24, died of his wounds in the parking lot of the complex. His accomplice, Marcus McCall, 25, broke several bones in his jump but was still able to drive away. The tenant immediately called police with a description of McCall and the getaway car. They stopped him less than a mile away. He was booked after treatment for his injuries at a local hospital.

 

McCall is charged with 1st Degree Burglary as well as Felony Murder. The murder charge comes because his accomplice died in the commission of the crime.

 

Police do not intend to charge the tenant. Alabama’s “stand your ground” law allows people to use deadly force against a burglar who is about to use deadly physical force. The head of the Tuscaloosa Homicide Unit said that both Campbell and McCall were armed and had covered their faces with a bandanna and a hoodie. He also also said the tenant appears to have known one of the home invaders.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Last week I wrote an article about the fantasy of gun control.  I said gun control advocates were crazy.  This week I wrote about the reality of gun control and said gun control advocates were liars.  The article is titled “Is That Common Sense Gun Control.. or More Spin?”  I also reposted articles by Kurt Hofmann and Russell Smith.  I recommend them.

My next article is about this golden age of self-defense instruction, and I’d like to thank Kathy Jackson for the sanity check, and thank Mark Richardson at the NRA for the statistics.  You can find my articles at Ammoland, at Clash Daily, and on my blog at Slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog, No Lawyer – Only Guns and Money you would like to talk about?

 

We have talked about the efforts to recall NJ Senate President Stephen Sweeney a number of times. The effort caught the attention of the newspapers in New Jersey. As with most stories relating to gun control, they had to have a comment from the gun prohibitionists for “balance”. I think the guy that they quoted, Bryan Miller of Ceasefire NJ, must have had the taste of sour grapes in his mouth. He said that having 200 people at the NJ2AS event wasn’t “an impressive number”. Actually, I think he was jealous because the gun grabbers never get that many people at their events even when they pay them and bus them in.

 

You can read this and other posts at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Anna Maria Hoffman for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Episode 337 – Are You Hurting Us?

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Episode 336 – A Florida Police Chief Says Women Shouldn’t Carry

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded 28 june 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Carl Chinn about physical security in churches.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty we will hear from Dan Roberts about the drive to recall New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

Paul: and hang on!  Episode 336 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Went to the range and practiced.  Spoke on Lock and Load radio with Bill Frady on Friday.  Mentored a student at a first shots course for medical professionals.  That taught me a few new tricks.  My browning 22 pistol eats federal but not American Eagle.. which are made by the same company.

My Florida carry permit came in the mail.

 

Gary – Ordered Sherry’s Concealment Solutions holster and we did some reloading practice with speed loaders.

 

Paul – Did some more looking at campers this morning. not much gun related. been absorbing the news of the week.  Looking at ordering a new belt for Susan to use at the Kathy Jackson class.

 

Rob- Did you consider Jason’s belts?

 

There are 2 things that I want to address before we go off into the news segment, although they both are technically news that relate to guns.

 

First is the statement by the pope that came out just about the time we were supposed to go to air last week and so we weren’t able to properly vett the story to make sure that it was a real story.  It was a real story.

 

I was born and raised in the Catholic church. I now consider myself a Christian not connected to any particular church. I believe in the bible and not what people have inserted as “doctrine”  I would like to read some of the pope’s comments as reported on Ammoland.com

 

Pope Francis spoke with a group of young people at a rally of thousands at the end of the first day of his trip to the Italian city of Turin.

Francis started by attacking the Right to Keep and Bear Arms as well as accusing the allies during World War Two of being complicit in the killing of Jews, Christians and homosexuals.

Francis issued his toughest condemnation to date of the weapons industry, saying.

“If you trust only men you have lost,” he told the young people in a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics after putting aside his prepared address.

“It makes me think of … people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn’t it?” he said to applause.

He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries (gun owners), saying “duplicity is the currency of today … they say one thing and do another.”

Francis also built on comments he has made in the past about events during the first and second world wars.

He spoke of the “tragedy of the Shoah,” using the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.

“The great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn’t they bomb (the railway lines)? (end of ammoland story)

 

There is something that I believe his holiness has forgotten, that evil does exist in the world. Edmund Burke is quoted as saying “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” The pope seems to be like the liberals who are at work right here in America, he thinks that if we click our heels three time and say there is no place like home that everything will be alright.

Ladies and gentlemen, everything will not be alright. American, and indeed world history is replete with examples of disarmament leads to slavery or even worse death.

 

I am sorry that a man (and the pope is a man) is in charge of the catholic church that I grew up in and had a great deal of respect for. Popes are supposed to serve a lifetime, I will never wish ill on any human, however I can only hope that this man decides like his predecessor that the papacy is too much for him and retire early. I would like to say to my fellow Christians to pray like it depends on God and prepare like it depends on you.

 

The armory of the Swiss Guard who protect the Vatican.

 

Secondly there was a major ruling from the Supreme court late in the week that proclaimed through the 14th amendment that all states must allow gay marriage. What does this have to do with guns? Well there are many that are saying that with the language in the ruling that the 14th amendment would also require a concealed carry permit issued in one state to be accepted by all. And I have to say that there are strong arguments for this. I would like to caution our listeners strongly, that right now that is a THEORY, not tested in court. I will not be the test case, I encourage you not to as well. The SAF is tuning up right now to introduce lawsuits to that effect.

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

Seg 2- News

 

Police chief advocates civilian disarmament in Saint Petersburg, Florida.

Two Tampa Bay Florida real estate agents were robbed at gunpoint this month.  One was shackled at her hands and feet while the attacker made ransom demands to the victim’s husband.  Police admit that agents have a dangerous job.  St. Petersburg police Chief Tony Holloway said real estate agents, particularly women, should not arm themselves because the criminal would only take their gun and use it against them.

 

Paul- Wait a minute.  Female agents are the same as any other women in their ability to defend themselves.

 

Rob- Maybe Florida laws are different.  I have a Florida carry license instructor to talk with us.

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Dramatic Rise in Crime After UK Ban Guns

The blog Extrano’s Alley has an interesting analysis of the increase in violent crime after the UK’s total ban on handguns and severe restriction on all other firearms. The ban was a knee-jerk reaction to their Dunblane massacre. It is certainly interesting reading in light of the efforts attempting to capitalize on the Charleston tragedy. The link can be found in our show notes.

 

NY State Residents Disobeying Cuomo’s Registration Scheme

“One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”  From his cell in the Birmingham jail, Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote those words that are being taken to heart by New York State residents. Only 24 thousand of New York State’s 20 million residents have registered their so-called assault weapons since Cuomo’s SAFE act took effect in 2013. Less than 45 thousand rifles have been registered. Law enforcement estimates there are 1 million assault weapons in the state. The citizens are engaging in civil disobedience even though failure to register is a felony, punishable by up to four years in prison.

 

Cuomo rammed his SAFE Act though the legislature weeks after the Sandy Hook tragedy. The act was an anti-gun activist’s dream: a ban on high-capacity magazines, universal background checks, stolen gun reporting, safe storage, mental health provisions, warrantless firearm seizures, ammunition sales checks, as well as the key registration requirement. Tellingly, NONE of the provisions, even if followed exactly by the madman, would have prevented the shooting at Sandy Hook.

 

“Many people have been calling for a full repeal of the SAFE Act. It would appear the people have just bypassed the legislature and simply repealed it on their own,” said Tom King, of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association. Communities and LEOs outside of New York City seem to be ignoring or openly challenging the Governor’s draconian law.

While we cannot tell New York’s residents to resist this unjust law – that would be illeeeeeeegal – we can certainly applaud the State’s residents who are adhering to Thomas Jefferson’s words; “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”

 

Rob- 950 THOUSAND New York gun owners told the Governor to shove it.  Cuomo is only the Governor of Albany and New York city, but not the rest of the state.
More Anti-Gun Stupidity

Leading Democrat adviser Bob Shrum led with his tongue when he opined that the Emanuel shooting would have been a “horror” if the black parishioners were armed. On MSNBC’s The Ed Show, Shrum said QUOTE “I cannot imagine the horror that could have occurred if people were sitting around with concealed weapons, this thing started, and you have a full-scale gunfight.” END QUOTE

The mind boggles. Experience shows that resisting a madman significantly decreases the death toll. Even if unsuccessful, the nine still would have died. And the concealed carrier would have died on their feet, rather than on their knees.

Taking Shrum at his word, the advisor to Teddy Kennedy, Carter, Gore and Kerry would rather see the parishioners completely disarmed, defenseless and good little victims, rather than fighting for their lives. As insane as this sounds, this IS one of the anti’s core beliefs. They believe that it is somehow morally preferable to be the victim, rather than acting in self-defense. As rational beings, we absolutely reject this dehumanizing belief.

 

Rob- Gun prohibition is a superstition, and the anti-rights advocates live in a fantasy world.

Bill to Restrict Home Assembled Firearms Proposed
Another in our Cavalcade of Legislative Stupidity, this one somehow not authored by Carolyn Maloney, is the Home-Assembled Firearms Restriction Act of 2015. This bill would prohibit of the sale of certain firearm receiver castings or blanks, assault weapon parts kits, and machine gun parts kits (what?) and prohibit the marketing of the items on any medium of electronic communications. The parts would be banned as hazardous products under the Consumer Product Safety Act. Enforcement would come via the Federal Trade Commission. It would eliminate the home hobbyist who assembles a completely legal firearm out of commercially available parts.

The bill mentions semi-automatic rifles and semi-automatic pistols, and is an unique thrust in the effort to disarm Americans. Our response should be the same. However, the amount of tar and feathers involved would certainly be an environmental disaster.  HR- 376

 

Collectible Firearms Protection Act.

Not all legislation sinks to the level of Carolyn Maloney or Mario Cuomo. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) recently introduced H.R. 2611, the “Collectible Firearms Protection Act.” This bill would reverse the Obama/ Kerry State Department’s decision blocking the reimportation of M1 Garands and M1 Carbines from South Korea. The completely legal firearms would then be sold commercially to the American people. The Obama administration also opposes legislation to allow the CMP to sell the Army’s excess 1911s. All these firearms were paid for by the American taxpayer, and we would like to remind our rulers that we own them.

You can contact your U.S. Representative to support this legislation by using the NRA/ILA’s  “Write Your Lawmakers” tool or calling (202) 224-3121.  You can also register your opinion at Popvox.com

 

 

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker To Sign Two Bills Expanding Gun Rights

In a clear victory for gun-rights advocates, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker signed bills to eliminate the state’s 48-hour waiting period for gun purchases and to allow off-duty police officers to carry concealed weapons on public school grounds.

Congratulations Cheese-Heads!

Rob-  Let me get this right.  The school staff would call the police if the school was attacked.  They call the police because the police carry guns and could stop the attack.  Somehow, this bill was considered a great act of political courage to allow the police to carry their guns in school before the attack?  This is not a moment for congratulations but for shame.  I want to find the idiot politician who told the police they could not go armed in our public schools.

 

No guns in Post Office parking lots

(Denver, Colorado) – In yet another decision that thumbs its nose at the Supreme Court’s landmark D.C. v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago rulings, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals held today that the Second Amendment does not protect gun rights outside of one’s home. The case, Bonidy v. United States Postal Service, challenged the statute (39 C.F.R. § 232.1(l),) which prohibits the storage and carriage of firearms on USPS property. The district court decision found that the law was unconstitutional as applied to its prohibition on guns in parking lots, but not the ban on carry inside government buildings.

 

Gary – As I was reading this my thought was what about the people that are walking to all prohibited locations. Don’t they have the right to self-defense?

 

Gun Quotes  No Kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. James Burgh

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Grant Cunningham- http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/miss-police-open-carry-laws-kept-us-from-arresting-shotgun-toting-man-who-terrorized-walmart-shoppers/?utm_content=buffer62f47&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

http://www.wxxv25.com/news/local/story/Gulfport-Police-Arrest-Two-Men-in-Walmart/OpGpr3m360eVCbs98-AZ9w.cspx

 

“The possession, carrying and use of firearms require not only training and skill, but intelligence and responsibility. When persons act with deficiency in intelligence and responsibility, it can be both dangerous and unlawful.” Police Chief Leonard Papania of Gulfport, MS said.

 

Doug Ritter–  http://kniferights.org/ at 4 central time

Doug Ritter is Chairman and Executive Director of knife rights.  Welcome back to the show, Doug.  Knife rights are never safe when the legislature is in session.  You’ve had some wonderful successes this year.  Please tell our listeners about them.

Maine, Nevada, Oklahoma, Texas pre-emption.

 

Knife with a CCW, so you could carry a gun.. but not a knife in Illinois?

 

Work to do in New York, even when republicans did not support a pro-knife bill.  Massachusetts, New Jersey,

 

What do you think of Evan Nappen’s book.

 

Carl Chinnhttp://www.carlchinn.com/ at 4:30 central time.

You’ve studied violence in Churches.  You were on the scene for a violent attack in the lobby of Focus on the Family.  You also were working at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs when it was attacked.  Since then you’ve kept an exhaustive list of violent attacks that occur on church property.

 

Tell us about the path a church takes to address physical security.  What are the steps to success?  I’m guessing the subject gets brought to the church board or leadership team.  What happens next?

 

Is an active defense similar to concerns the church already faces such as medical first responders and physical security?

The church leadership gathers information to understand the problem?

They select staff to address it?

Staff brings them a proposal?

Outside training?

On site training?

Ongoing recruitment?

What does the church have to do to succeed long term?

 

I was at a large local church, and to put one security person behind each gathering would take 20 volunteers.  What about the men’s group that meets mid week?  The new mom’s group?  A successful church is filled with life all the time.  That means you need volunteers from every group.

 

We’ve had almost a thousand attacks on churches in the last 5 years.  To me that is a wake up call.  Talk about the pastors and leadership teams who won’t address security.  What excuses do they use to justify inaction?

 

Why do security teams fail long term?

 

Dan Roberts-

New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney faces a well deserved recall drive that started yesterday.  An hour after the New Jersey Second Amendment Society announced where they would rally to start the recall, the venue owner called them up and cancelled on them.  They had that venue and date reserved for the last two months.  Several other venues refused the group fearing political retribution from the democrat controlled bureaucrats.

 

350 people showed up to collect signatures.  It was raining on the signature gatherers as they went house to house.  Many homes were empty  since the power has been out in some areas for several days.  Surprisingly, some union members and government employees were eager to sign the recall while anyone who needed a permit to operate their business refused to sign.  About a quarter of the people on the list signed the petition to recall Senator Sweeney.

 

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”  and New Jersey citizens are afraid of their government.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Domino’s Driver Shoots Assailant  
Just after midnight, a Hollywood, Florida Domino’s driver was forced to defend his life with a firearm. Two men attacked the driver in a robbery attempt. The driver pulled his gun and fired six shots at the men, killing one of them. Breitbart News reports that at least eight Domino’s drivers had been shot–three of those killed–since the start of 2012. Many more have been assaulted, kidnapped or raped.

Domino’s Pizza will not comment on the ongoing investigation. Domino’s continues their policy of barring drivers from being armed for self-defense. We continue to feel there are other pizza restaurants.

Benihana Shoot-Out
The North Dallas Benihana’s parking lot was the scene of an armed robbery and  shootout this week. Two people were leaving the upscale Japanese restaurant when they were approached by a man asking for a lighter. The man then slipped on a mask and pulled a gun from his waistband. A victim retrieved his firearm from his vehicle and six to eight shots were exchanged. The robber was pronounced dead at an area hospital, the victim is in stable condition.

Both men were young black males. It is not known if this was a targeted crime or random. Police are focusing on a white Camaro in the parking lot, found with a handgun nearby. Neither police nor Benihana employees are forthcoming. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Homeowner Shoot Armed Car Burglar
A Milwaukee, Wisconsin man was forced to shoot a car burglar in self defense.  The man challenged a thief burglarizing his car. The thief pulled a gun and the  car owner pulled one right back and shot. The thief ran away and was arrested in an area hospital. The DA will decide if charges will be pressed against the car owner.

Police Arrive to Find a Hog-Tied Suspect
While not strictly a DGU, the following shows that we are the weapon, the gun – or a vase – are the tools.

A Kenosha, Wisconsin man heard “that noise” very early in the morning. He found a man climbing through an upstairs window, who asked the home-owner if he wanted his grass cut. Justifiably outraged at the aggressive sales tactic, the homeowner brained the door-to-door salesman with a nearby vase. Police arrived to find the man hog-tied with a garden hose. The twenty-two year old is charged with burglary, theft and disorderly conduct. He is also the suspect in a recent string of local burglaries.

While we never want to be in a self-defense situation, the ability to smack a pushy salesman, even a pretend one, is certainly tempting.

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

We had Jeff Street on the show before.  He and his wife offer free firearms training at their church.  They have a Special Event coming up in the Naples Florida area.

 

Jeff writes-
We will have a guest speaker Naples Criminal Defense Attorney Donald Day
He is also a “Self Defense Attorney” affiliated with the Armed Citizens Legal defense network.
The topic will be “Defending yourself in Florida with a Weapon: The Law from A-Z”.

When:
Tuesday July 21st 2015 from 6:30pm – 8:30pm

There is no charge but Donald asks that all make some contribution to the NRA or Sign up for the Armed Citizen Legal Defense Network.
Space is limited.  Call or text to make your reservations.  239-641-6140

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- It has been a busy week at the slow facts blog.  I wrote four articles covering the murders in Charleston and having guns in church.  I also posted a fairly long article talking about the marketing aspects of gun control.

 

Anti-rights advocates offer an emotional appeal to an idealized fantasy they call gun control. The ideology of disarmament has many aspects that make it easy to sell.

 

Those articles are up at Ammoland, Clash Daily, and on my blog at Slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look him up at not one more gun law dot blog spot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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