Episode 330 – We’re Back!

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 24th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with John Pierce about Washington DC gun owners taking a step toward concealed carry.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we finally get a chance to talk with our own Rachel Malone about her progress supporting open carry legislation in Texas.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s, a neighbor did more than be a good witness, he saved his neighbor next door from an ongoing attack and abduction. Of course the good guy had a firearm and a concealed carry permit.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 330 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

John – Last weekend, I went to a family reunion. I got to see cousins whom I hadn’t seen in 30 years or more. Afterwards, we took time to visit the cemetery in which my dad and my grandparents were buried. Being this is Memorial Day weekend, I want to recognize those who served our country and died in its service. I think it is important to remember these men and women. My dad didn’t die while on active duty but did have to take a medical retirement due to non-combat health issues. I do think he had a reduced life span due to the stresses of his service as have many other veterans.

 

On the firearms front, I added a Spanish FR-8 to the collection thanks to Ken S., a fellow NC gunny, I met through Facebook. The FR-8 is a Mauser 98 design adopted by Spain in the 1950s. Given they didn’t have enough CETME auto rifles, some Spanish soldiers were issued these rifles which had some of the same features as the CETME including being in the 7.62 Nato caliber.

 

Gary- Shot the AR and the Para with no malfunctions.

 

Rob– It has been a while.  It is good to hear you again.  I shot the chiappa rhino revolver when I was down in Louisiana.  I bought and shot the Browning 1911-22 for my students with small hands.  (use of external safties) Competed in two IDPA matches.  One with my 1911 and the second with my Glock 19.  That was fun and I learned a lot.  John, I added the slightly extended magazine release and slide release to my 19.  I like the combat sights.  Thank you for those suggestions.

 

Got my concealed carry permit from Arizona.  I also had two awards at a dinner we had with the San Diego Chapter of Gun Owners of California.  One was a service award.  They also had a shooting simulator at the banquet. I won a T-shirt for having the best time that hour.  In fact I was the third or fourth fastest shooter competing, but sometimes it pays to be lucky and shoot after the rush.

 

I was on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady.  I’ll be on his show again next Friday to talk about one of my blog articles.  I also finished a book by gun blogger Jim Curtis.  I finished the first book in his Grey Man series.

 

Susan-   Didn’t take the Beyond Concealed Carry class, but got to meet Bob and Ben and went to dinner. Getting ready for the renaissance festival.

 

Paul – Took the Beyond Concealed Carry enhanced class. Had a great time and and learned a bunch. I want to thank Bob Mayne and Ben Branam for coming up and teaching and everyone who attended.  (I want to talk a little point shooting here.)

 

Problems replacing the magazine while in the holster. If you have a failure don’t quit moving! (Jamming drill while in static line)

 

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Seg 2- News

 

-A federal judge said Washington DC is again breaking the law.  A year ago DC was told its laws denying concealed carry were unconstitutional.  Then the city passed permit regulations that were so restrictive only one person in four thousand would be granted a concealed carry permit.  Judge  Frederick J. Scullin Junior said that was probably illegal and issued an injunction against DC’s regulations.  Quoting Judge Scullin,

 

“The District of Columbia’s arbitrary ‘good reason’/’proper reason’ requirement.. goes far beyond establishing.. reasonable restrictions. Rather, for all intents and purposes, this requirement makes it impossible for the overwhelming majority of law-abiding citizens to obtain licenses to carry handguns in public for self-defense, thereby depriving them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms.” End quote

 

It is unusual for a judge to issue a preliminary injunction.  The case isn’t out of court yet, but it is a small step towards recognizing the right of self-defense for DC citizens.. and for visitors to DC.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/federal-judge-says-dc-gun-carry-law-is-unconstitutional/

DC Police chief Cathy Lanier said of the ruling “It’s not a huge impact for us. We haven’t had a huge number of applicants,” Chief Lanier said during an interview Tuesday on NewsTalk with Bruce Depuyt. “Our residents have been pretty clear this is not something that they wanted. A very small number of D.C. residents have applied for concealed carry.”

 

Rob- people are the same.

 

-Besides hearing cases for the district of columbia, Judge Scullin hears cases for the northern district of New York.  Before he became a lawyer and a judge, Judge Scullin served active duty with the United States Army as a paratrooper, airborne ranger, and as an infantry commander with the 173rd Airborne Brigade in the Republic of Vietnam.  What do you think Judge Scullin might do to the New York SAFE act and the concealed carry laws in New York City?

 

-We have another court case to talk about.  The US Supreme Court in an unanimous decision said someone convicted of a crime may sell their guns to a third party so long as the accused never takes possession or control of the firearms.  The case started when a border patrol agent was convicted of smuggling drugs.  The FBI seized the agents guns, and then refused to sell them to a third party.  The court said the FBI acted illegally and that they must release the firearms for sale or transfer.  I guess some parts of the government have to obey the law after all.

http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/breaking-supreme-court-issues-decision-on-felons-gun-rights/

 

-We received news that United Parcel Service recently changed its policies.  UPS will no longer ship silencers.. even to FFL licensees.  This has always struck me as bizarre.  The US outlaws the same mufflers that are required for hunting in other countries.  We restrict mufflers that are sold over the counter in Europe.  Until our government comes to its senses, check how you ship your silencers.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/ups-refuses-to-ship-firearms-suppressors-used-for-hearing-protection/#axzz3aMQOUmRf

 

-We’ve seen some state legislatures pass new firearms restrictions.  That is why we have to ask if background checks work at all?  Last week was national law enforcement week.  Of all the officers shot and killed last year, half of them were shot by felons who were prohibited from having a firearm.  The criminals used stolen guns so the thugs never went through a background check.  Criminals simply don’t obey the law.  If background checks don’t stop criminals, then who is inconvenienced and perhaps deterred from buying a firearm?  Gun laws only inconvenience honest gun owners.  Is that failure a flaw in the law.. or is it a feature that was designed in from the start?

http://www.examiner.com/article/question-for-antis-how-do-you-background-checks-on-stolen-guns

 

Gary- I can hear it now.  Some fool is saying we should pass a law requiring criminals to obey the law.

Rob- The anti-rights politicians want to leave my family at risk so that crime pays.. and then the politicians want the police to fight crime.

 

-We have another story about a proposed gun law that won’t work.  New Jersey Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman is 70 years old.  She is a Democrat and was elected last year.  She introduced a bill in congress to restrict the sale of ammunition online.  The bill requires you to buy ammunition from federally licensed ammunition dealers.  It requires these dealers to confirm the identify of their customers with a photo identification.  It also requires the dealers to tell the US attorney general if anyone purchases more than 1,000 rounds within five consecutive days.

 

Rob- I typically order large lots of ammunition to reduce their shipping costs.  Do I become a terrorist of the month?

 

This bill will do nothing to stop crime or terrorism.   A terrorist can simply buy 100 rounds a day for days on end.. or buy from several different distributors.  In addition, our borders are wide open and millions of people and millions of pounds of drugs cross the border each year.  Smuggling ammunition to criminals would never be noticed.  Congresswoman Coleman’s bill has not chance of passage, but it will earn her campaign dollars from Bloomberg.

http://bearingarms.com/new-jersey-democrat-pushes-federal-ammunition-registration-scheme/

 

Rob- Could Obama impose this with an executive order?

 

Break –  I want to run the GRNC audio here  Let’s talk a bit about it before we run it.

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Democrats Urge Background Checks on All Guns Sold At Gun Shows

Some of Bloomberg’s other useful idiots have reintroduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act. This old bill once again claims to close the nonexistent gun show loophole by requiring background checks on all gun purchases. However, this bill hides a devious twist: it requires the transfer to be reported to the US Attorney General. That’s the office once controlled by Eric Holder, now under Loretta Lynch, that has become one of the most politicized and lawless of the federal government.

 

This bill, like the Jersey Democrat’s bill to create a database of ammunition purchasers, is part of the push by anti-gun Democrats to identify the armed citizen. The reasons behind their efforts must be chilling for those that still believe in the Bill of Rights. Please contact your Representative and urge a no vote on this insanity.

 

John – I’m ashamed to say Carolyn Maloney is a NC native.

 

-Our friend Jeff Knox pointed out that the impossible has happened.  The media tells us that gun owners are both dangerous AND impotent.  We’re called dangerous gun nuts who could kill hundreds of people.  We’re also told that a citizen with a discretely carried handgun is powerless to stop a violent criminal or terrorist.  Jeff points out where the impossible happens time and again.  It happened in Garland, and Chicago, and at the New Life Church in Colorado, and at dozens of other examples of firearms used for self-defense.  It IS possible to stop violent criminals, stop terrorists and stop deranged individuals bent on hurting innocent people.  That is to meet the attacker with deadly force. While a handgun is not the best option in a pitched gun battle, there’s an old saying that the best gun in a gunfight is the one you have, because the gun you don’t have is not going to do you any good.   Jeff’s article is up at World Net Daily.  The link is in our show notes.  http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/more-fairytales-guns-used-to-save-lives/#29JOXC3y88wISmvk.99

 

-Some of the media understands firearms.  Author Katie Pavlich writes at Town Hall.  Katie reports on a very liberal Texas woman who bought a gun.  The Texas lady made her choice to own a  gun because of two factors: Personal security and fun.  The liberal Texan had five burglaries at her home.  The break ins cost more than money; they stole her piece of mind.  To quote her, I would wake each time a squirrel ran the perimeter of my backyard fence, convinced someone was coming for me. My dreams were all of victimization, or revenge.  Close quote.

 

Then she bought a gun, and everything changed. First, she was shamed by her fellow liberals when they found out she was a gun owner.  Second, she also felt safe living in her home again.  The gun resting on her nightstand became her sleep aid.  We could have told her, but I glad she learned before she was injured.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/05/22/a-liberal-woman-admits-she-has-a-gun-and-its-awesome-n2002120

 

Gary- This is the power of taking someone shooting.  Their own experience pushes away the media myths.

Rob- I’m interested that her liberal tolerant friends wouldn’t tolerate her owning a gun.

 

Feral Youth

A Brooklyn McDonald’s was the scene of an attack that is unfortunately becoming too common. A pack of youths turned on a man trying to break up a fight between two girls. To shouts of KILL HIM!, twenty to forty school-aged teens beat and kicked the man, putting him into the hospital with life-threatening injuries. Several McDonald’s employees and another man were also assaulted. The attack was recorded by a boy shouting “Kill him right now!” and laughing. He posted the scene on Facebook, where it went viral.

No arrests have been made. Community activists are, of course, appalled, as required by their trade.  A Brooklyn mother said she’s disgusted and scared for her children. “To see something like that … it’s scary.”

It is scary – especially to someone who may be faced with a pack of these feral youths. Be aware, plan ahead – and avoid places where these types of kids congregate.

 

-Here is some good news from Oklahoma.  The legislature recently passed a law allowing trained school staff to carry on campus.  The bill’s sponsor was Representative Jeff Coody.  He said, “..the thinking has always been that if we eliminate guns, it makes it a safer place. The only problem is you cannot eliminate those (people) who are not willing to comply with the law. A gun-free zone is a target(…), a soft target.”  Representative Coody’s bill was supported by the Professional Oklahoma Educators.  These educators said the bill quote “(gives) options to school districts to protect their students.We cannot play games anymore. These are the lives of our children.” close quote.  The bill passed in the Oklahoma Senate by a vote of 40 to 5 and it passed the House by a vote of 82 to 12  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/21/oklahoma-legalizes-arming-teachers-and-staff-on-school-campuses/

 

Rob-  That is great news because of the reason they passed the bill.

Paul- It sounds like Oklahoma is catching up with Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, South Dakota and Wisconsin.

 

-There is more good news from Minnesota.  Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton signed several pro-rights bills into law.  At first the governor threatened not to sign these bills.  These bills had bipartisan support and the governor signed them.

 

  • Minnesota now recognizes concealed carry permits from several other states.  It now has reciprocity with 15 other states up from only 4 states.  That includes North Dakota citizens with a class-one permit.
  • They legalized firearms mufflers so gun owners can both own mufflers and use them for hunting or sport shooting.
  • They allow carry permit holders to bring handguns into the state Capitol area without requesting permission in advance.  In this case the Capital included a ten block by ten block area, but not anymore.
  • These new laws restricted the government’s ability to seize firearms from the public after a state emergency is declared.  This limits the ability of the police to seize firearms unless the person is arrested … and an arrest requires probable cause.
  • They allowed the purchase of long guns from any state.

Congratulations to Minnesota gun owners and the MInnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance.  Well done. http://www.keyc.com/story/29135382/gov-dayton-signs-public-safety-bill-containing-controversial-gun-provisions

 

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-A similar law passed last week in Florida.  Florida Governor Rick Scott signed a bill allowing Florida residents to carry concealed firearms –without a permit– during an emergency evacuation.  This permitless carry lasts for 48 hours. The 48-hour period may be extended per the governor.

 

-Laws matter.  Chicago politicians created gun-free zones.  Chicago politicians created drug prohibition.  Chicago politicians crushed industry with high taxes and regulations.  That is a well known recipe for disaster.  49 people were shot last weekend in Chicago.  I’m sorry. http://gunsnfreedom.com/gun-control-fail-chicago-had-49-shot-over-past-weekend/5138

 

-We have two more judicial rulings to report.  The first said that legal open carry is not probable cause for a police officer to make an arrest.  The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that open carry is not justification for an officer to stop, arrest, identify and question an individual.  The judge went further.  He said that the officer’s qualified immunity did not extend to detaining an individual who was lawfully open carrying a firearm.  That means officers can be sued and they are personally liable for court costs and damages.  That decision, if it stands, would put some teeth into the law protecting firearms owners.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-bernick/federal-appeals-court-to_b_7284562.html

 

-Listener Anthony Lucafo emailed us the link for this story. A 5th grader is in a bit of trouble in his New Jersey public school. It seems that he brought some ammunition to school. Ammunition for a NERF gun.  While pulling a late slip out of his pocket a foam projectile designed to be fired from a Nerf gun fell to the floor in front of a teacher. This violated the school’s zero tolerance policy for weapons. However as the late Billy Mays would say “but wait theres more!” our young nerf gunslinger had MODIFIED the ammunition! Our young nerf marksman had stuck a toothpick into the round so that it would stick when he fired the round towards the ground! That made the nerf ammo now a “self contained weapon” by the school’s definition. Of course the school immediately moved to expel the obviously dangerous young man, but eventually decided that a 5 day in-school suspension would suffice along with a mark on the student’s “permanent record”

 

Paul – zero tolerance means zero intelligence. It is the single most lazy way to administrate any group.

 

-Let’s end the news on a positive note.  A New Jersey Appellate court ruled that cities in New Jersey may not require added forms from firearm applicants beyond the forms that the state requires.  This is the third such decision from the New Jersey appellate court.  I hope we can now prosecute government officials who unlawfully harass New Jersey firearms applicants with additional paperwork.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/no-added-gun-forms-courts-slaps-down-nj-towns/#axzz3a9uSbGwI

 

Gun Quotes

One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Martin Luther King, Junior, in his letter from Birmingham Jail

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.  We have interviews with Rachel Malone and John Pierce coming up.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Rachel Malone– Licensed open carry passed in both the Texas House and Texas Senate.  Then the senate passed the house bill.  This was the bill Rachel was working on for the last four years.  The Senate passed an amendment so open carry is not probable cause.  One concern was racial profiling of open carriers.

Does it include a provision that removes qualified immunity if a police officer arrests someone who is openly carrying?

This open carry bill may require confirmation in the Texas House.

Thank Don Huffines.  Tell him we have his back.

The bill would take effect 1 Jan 2016.

Some Senators will take credit, but will deny they let the bill sit.

They will claim that open carry barely passed, so constitutional carry is out of reach.  We’ll bring constitutional carry when the legislature meets again in two years.

 

Rachel has been working with her younger brothers and homeschooling them.  She has been busy with 40 hours of music rehearsal.  Summer break starts in a few weeks.

Rachel missed the zombie run.  She hopes to run it in the fall.

 

John Pierce on DC ruling

The law offices of John Pierce

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

So You Woke Up Stupid This Morning?

“Honestly: That is one less guy I got to worry about bothering my mom when she’s out grocery shopping,” That’s how an Atlanta resident summed up his use of a firearm to stop a robbery.  He had pulled into a store’s parking space when a scruffy 61-year-old man slipped into the passenger seat and announced the car-jacking. The victim pulled his firearm and held the perp facedown on the asphalt until the police arrived, all the while laying down a line of smack talk. Our favorite: “So you woke up stupid this morning?”  When police arrived, you can see the victim wave them over and put his gun down. The police officer shakes his hand before slapping the cuffs on the suspect.

This textbook, and stylish, DGU was recorded on several cell phones; it’s the 21st Century after all. We add our commendations to this everyday hero – he’s a good son.

 

Armed robber changed his mind and wished concealed carrier a good day.

-A 49 year old concealed carrier had finished his dialysis appointment at a doctor’s office and was on his way to his car. A young man came out of the woods near the clarkston michigan doctors office carrying a revolver and demanded the concealed carrier’s wallet. at this point the concealed carrier drew his own gun and asked the 20 year old hispanic male “do you really want to do this?” The would be armed robber told his intended victim to “have a nice day”, then turned and ran back into the woods.

 

-A Pennsylvania woman was abducted and assaulted by her ex-boyfriend for over 20 hours.  The woman escaped and ran outside at about 10 in the morning.  Fortunately, neighbors heard the victim scream when she was attacked again in her backyard.  Rather than simply be a good witness, one neighbor grabbed his handgun and stopped the attack.  Neighbors moved the victim to the front yard to wait for an ambulance.  The attacker was held at gunpoint until police arrived.  The attacker was charged with Criminal Trespass, burglary, and Attempted Homicide.  The gun owner said he would do the same thing again in a heartbeat with no second thoughts and no reservations.  He has his concealed carry permit.

http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carrier-rescues-hostage-captures-naked-attacker/

 

-A man broke into a Memphis home at two in the morning.  The family woke up when they heard breaking glass.  The homeowner grabbed his gun.  When he found the intruder standing inside his home, the homeowner shot the intruder in the head.  The intruder was taken to the hospital in critical condition.  Police have not filed any charges against the homeowner.

http://bearingarms.com/memphis-home-invader-stopped-homeowner-gun/

 

-We’ve all heard the joke about criminals failing the victim selection process.  Well this is one of those stories.  Two men tried his carjack a doctor in Jackson, Mississippi.  The doctor was getting ready to attend a shooting competition and was loading up his truck.  The doctor was taken by surprise.  He was ordered at gunpoint to drive to a nearby bank and withdraw some cash.  The doctor complied, but was able to grab one of his handguns.  He shot and killed one of his attackers.  The other attacker fled on foot.  The shooter had the presence of mind to neither pursue a fleeing criminal nor shoot him as he fled.

http://www.kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2015/05/thugs-try-to-rob-competitive-shooter.html

 

Another Triumph For California’s Legal System

What can you say to a Redding, California woman who was forced to defend herself against a likely armed sex offender, freshly paroled from a weapons charge, wearing a GPS bracelet, probably high on an illegal substance, who had just escaped from deputies holding him at gunpoint? You can only shake your head at the awesome effectiveness of the California legal system.

 

Parolee Dillon Carmelo escaped deputies by reaching into his clothing as if he was going for a gun and fleeing into the neighborhood’s backyards. The deputies informed those nearby of the dangerous felon on the loose. Against the advice of California’s elite, resident Jennifer Doolittle armed herself and went into the backyard to get her dogs inside. There, she was confronted by Carmelo, who popped over a fence and moved toward her acting as if he was reaching for a weapon.

 

Doolittle fired several times, striking Carmelo and stopping the attack. Carmelo continued to struggle until subdued by a Sheriff’s K-9. It is not known at this time if the woman will be charged. A civil suit is almost a certainty.

Several of the Polite Society’s staff can attest to California’s collapsing catch-and-release legal system. It’s why we urge every citizen to be armed, trained and aware. It’s also a big part of why California wants desperately to disarm it’s citizens.

 

Break

 

Don’t torque off the old guy part 1
A 77 year old homeowner was in the shower recently when he heard strange noises. He got out of the shower to see what was going on and came face to face with 2 burglars. Apparently our guud guy had a handgun close to him in the shower as he exchanged gunfire with the burglars killing one and the other was sent to the hospital, but the condition of the second bad guy wasn’t known. One boy next door became concerned and called his father. The youngster told his dad that there were police everywhere and he had locked himself in the house. Another neighbor told reporters that she had recently been a victim of a burglary and had lost $80,000 in jewelry. The neighbor said of the homeowner who defended himself  “I think he’s 100 percent correct,They went to burglarize his house. And it’s not the first time he was burglarized.”

 

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys (Plural/ Nonsexist) part 2

Once again, we bring you a Tale of the Old Guys. Showing that it’s important to work together in a marriage as well as in a self defense situation, a couple of retirees successfully fought off two armed attacker at their Thomaston, Georgia home. Only a month before they had endured a home-invasion where they were tied-up and robbed at gunpoint. It seems that assault only made them mad — and ready for the next attack.

 

When the wife opened the garage door in the morning, the same two suspects ran at her from the nearby woods, waiving handguns. The Old Gal drew her own gun and whistled a couple of rounds at the suspects. The Old Guy ran to the porch and added his own fire against the suddenly unenthusiastic robbers, who reversed course with all due haste.

Kashif Mohammad, 20, and Daitrelle Saffo, 21, were arrested exiting the woods. They are facing a slew of felony charges, including Armed Robbery and Kidnapping. It is certain they’ll remember one critically important lesson: Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy — and Gal.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion No email this week, but I ran across this story that is somewhat related to our struggle. What if you called 911 and no one came AT ALL? http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=29060#.VWICK0_BzGf

 

A truck driver is involved in a  sideswipe accident. gets the truck under control and rolls to a stop almost a mile down the road. He calls 911 and reports the incident and complains of heart attack like symptoms No one responded to his 911 call. Nine hours later he is found by a driver that works for the same company.

 

-Also before we go to blog posts I want to encourage our listeners to call their Senators and DEMAND that they let the current version of the so-called patriot act die. The current funding for Big Brother is listening is ending at the end of this month and RINO Mitch Mcconnell is fighting hard for reauthorization. There has never been any evidence that any of this debacle has helped to apprehend 1 single terrorist, or jaywalker for that manner. It is time for it to go call (202) 224-3121, you don’t even have to know who your senators are, just the state you live in. (if you don’t know your state might we suggest that you live in the state of confusion and you can see the doc for meds for that.)

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

1- I talked about the twenty thousand gun laws that don’t work, and why Politicians want to write more of them.  Politicians sell themselves in the media as in order to get campaign cash.  https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/prohibiting-firearms-for-political-profit/

 

2- Gary, you had your mom on the show.  She and Doris Montrose inspired me to write an article.  Supporting the right of armed self-defense is not a black and white issue.  You don’t jump from hating every gun owner to lobbying for firearms rights.  I counted about twenty steps in between.  Changing someone’s mind is moving them by one small step.. but first you have to listen to them to know what they believe. https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/how-to-change-minds-about-self-defense/

 

The articles are up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and at slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog  you would like to talk about?

 

Since the last show, the issue of ridding North Carolina of our pistol purchase permit system has started to attract a lot of attention. The gun prohibitionists along with the NC Sheriffs Association are fighting to keep the law. Bloomberg is funding a media campaign to keep the law. I wrote a somewhat provocative post entitled, “If you support a law based on racism, are you a racist?” There is no question that the law mandating pistol permits was drafted with the intent to keep African-Americans unarmed and subservient to the white, segregationist Democrat power structure of NC. My conclusion is that supporting a law based upon such heinous intent does make you at least a little bit racist.

 

My blog can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Rachel and JOhn Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 329 – Mother’s Day

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 10th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a rock star who says we need to fight back against ISIS terrorists.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and for Mother’s Day we will talk to my mom. so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 329 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

John – I played hooky on Friday afternoon and went to our local Wildlife Resources Commission range. I got to test out my new ultra-lightweight AR-15 and my Ruger LC9s Pro You do have more felt recoil with a very lightweight AR but it was not objectionable. Even during rapid fire, I was able to stay on target easily. I did run into some trouble with the feed with the magazines. PMags were generally fine but I had trouble getting the first round to feed with the GI-type mags. After the first round feed, then no more trouble. As for the Ruger LC9s, I ran a box of ammo through it without any failures. I still have some more to go before it has passed the reliability test for being a carry gun. As I wasn’t shooting for accuracy but reliability, I’ll have to leave how accurate it is until a later report. I will say that I love the trigger.

 

End of pers news segment – Paul – I have had ownership of GP2AS.com and the corresponding facebook page for a while and just do not have the time to give them. I am not looking to sell them, I am looking for someone to take them over. I want to be clear, there are expenses to the website and if you offer to take over YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE. Email me if you would be interested in taking over those domains.

 

Also I would like to remind our listeners that we are trying to raise money for some additional equipment to live stream GRPC 2015 in Phoenix. We have a go-fund-me page set up and are about halfway to our goal, but it is getting closer and we haven’t been mentioning it lately..

 

http://www.gofundme.com/fg2dhw

 

Break

 

Seg 2- News


The Who’s Pete Townshend Won’t Get Fooled Again

Us old farts now have one more reason to like Pete Townshend, guitarist of the long-running supergroup: the Who.

 

On the eve of the Who’s 50th anniversary tour, Rolling Stone asked Townshend about the threat of Islamic radicals. The rockstar related; “I do think it’s very important that we keep our ammunition ready. I do feel there is nothing to worry about as long as we’re willing to protect ourselves. Whether it comes to our door in a Charlie Hebdo scenario or in a 9/11 scenario, we need to keep calm and to honor our own sense of values and justice and law and the way that we want to live.”

Townshend also called Huff Post’s Arianna Huffington “A dimwitted woman.”

It’s obvious that Pete Townshend Won’t Get Fooled Again.

 

John – I wonder if his “Shotgun will sing the song”?

 

Federal Judge Throws Out SAF Challenge to Washington’s I-594

A Federal judge has thrown out the Second Amendment Foundation’s lawsuit challenging Washington’s Bloomberg inspired Universal Registration scheme. I-594 is a poorly written law, designed to confuse the law-abiding and potentially criminalize the everyday use of firearms. There is no agreement in the law-enforcement arena on how this vague law should be enforced, if at all.

 

The George W. Bush appointed judge did quite a few legal pirouettes in declaring that the plaintiffs had no standing. The plaintiffs were denied standing as they were not being prosecuted or at immediate risk of prosecution. The fact that gun owners in Washington were intimately affected by the overbroad law was ignored. By the judge’s logic, a citizen would need to be charged with violating the law before they would have standing in court.

 

Alan Gottlieb, of the Second Amendment Foundation, expects to appeal. “It is mind boggling that a law-abiding citizen evidently must put their civil rights, not to mention their clean criminal record, at risk before a court can rule whether a law is constitutional,” Gottlieb observed. “Because the state has refused to prosecute violators does not diminish the constitutional threat of this law,” he stressed. “This is 2015, not the Dark Ages.”

 

Gottlieb and his legal team will continue to pursue justice in this case.

 

Oregon Prepares to Enact SB 941

Bloomberg’s Universal Registration mischief has surfaced in another state. Oregon’s SB 941, largely based on the anti-gun Colorado and Washington laws, has passed both legislative houses and is now on Governor Kate Brown’s desk. The signature of the hard-left governor is certain, probably only being delayed to arrange the celebratory press event.

It is expected that the Oregon bill will create the same uncertainty and confusion that Bloomberg inflicted on Colorado and Washington. The reaction is also likely to be the same, with lawsuits, protests, recalls, and a political shift toward the right.

 

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Oklahoma May Soon Allow Trained Personnel to Carry in School

Many have noted that salt water seems to cause insanity. This certainly explains coastal Washington, Oregon, California, New Jersey and Miguel Gonzalez of Florida. (Hey, Miggy!)

 

Landlocked Oklahoma is exhibiting significant signs of sanity in passing a bill that would allow trained personnel to carry arms on school grounds.  The Oklahoma House voted in favor of legislation allowing a school district’s board of education to designate a school employee to attend an armed security guard training program or reserve peace officer program and pay for the training. The legislation has only to be signed by Governor Mary Fallin for it to become law. The governor has not indicated if she will sign the bill, but she has previously backed gun rights expansion in the state.

 

Hopefully, Sooners will soon be able to actively protect their most important treasures.

 

South Carolina May Be Poised To Enact Permitless Carry

Constitutional Carry is rapidly gaining momentum. South Carolina’s House recently passed a bill on its second reading allowing permitless carry by the margin of 90-18. The bill is likely to pass a third reading, and  then go before the state Senate where it will face challenges. Governor Nikki Haley has said that she would sign a constitutional carry bill, so she would presumably sign a partial reform such as this one.

 

This bill is not constitutional carry, as it does not allow open carry. South Carolina is one of only six states that prohibit open carry.  A powerful Republican Senate committee chair has said that open carry personally offends him. We urge all South Carolinians to tune-up this curmodgeon and immediately contract their other political representatives in support of this bill.

 

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North Carolina’s Demanding Moms Are Worried

Bloomberg’s astroturfing Demanding Moms swept up all the hoary old platitudes when they visited the North Carolina Legislature this week. Their panties are in a wad over a bill to remove the sheriffs’ criminal background checks of pistol permit applicants. The sheriff checks are an unnecessarily expensive step as they duplicate the federal automated NICS background checks.

 

We urge all North Carolinians to immediately contract their political representatives to support HB 562. You might also ask your sheriff why he opposes it..

 

John – I’d like to expand on this a bit. The pistol permit purchase system was put into place in 1919 with a wink and a nod. It was designed to keep undesirables from obtaining handguns. In 1919 North Carolina that meant blacks, union organizers, Yankee carpetbaggers, and the like.

 

ATF accepts the pistol purchase permits as a substitute for the NICS checks. A study in 2013 by the Charlotte Observer showed that there were over 60 people in one county alone who had been issued pistol purchase permits who were now prohibited individuals. The permits are good for 5 years from date of issue and, until 2 years ago, sheriffs were not required to keep track of the people who had been issued them. The objection that some sheriffs have now to ending the permit system – which they won’t admit – is that they will lose a source of revenue separate from what is given them by county governments.

 
Designer of 3-D-Printed Gun Challenges Feds
For a variety of telling reasons, the ability to print out firearms using common 3-D printers and everyday materials has frightened the government.  With his Liberator, Cody Wilson has designed an all plastic gun that could be made in a 3-D printer. Within days of its internet release, the Obama State Department claimed a violation of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations and ordered the plans removed from the website.  Now the government has seized ownership of The Liberator. (Irony, much?)

 

This week, the Second Amendment Foundation has filed a lawsuit against the government charging the violations of  Wilson’s First, Second and Fifth Amendment Rights. The government is engaging in behavior that denies Wilson’s due process. The SAF is compelled to file the action because the bureaucracy is evidently playing games and it’s time for these agencies to behave. SAF also wants to publish the information about three-dimensional printing of firearms on its web site as educational material for its 650,000 members, supporters and general public.

 

Wilson’s goal was to invalidate the government’s “unconstitutional” hold on gun technology. Alan Gottlieb of the SAF contends: “The right to keep and bear arms includes the ability to acquire or create arms. John Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, states that “3-D printers mean an end to any gun control. The government is not going to be able to ban magazines for guns, or ban guns themselves, and the notions of background checks would be even more impossible to do. I understand why government wants to regulate this, but it is too late. Technology moves faster than government.”

 

We wish them Godspeed.

 

Jesse Jackson blames full-auto AK-47s for Chicago Violence

 

Rev. Jesse Jackson, his Rainbow PUSH organization, and the Demanding Mommies held a demonstration outside of Chuck’s Guns in suburban Cook County, Illinois. Between the gun prohibitionists and a counter protest by members of the Illinois State Rifle Association, there were about 100 people there. Jackson blamed the violence in Chicago on full-auto AK-47s and other such full-auto weapons, saying, “There is no place in the city streets for AK47s, there’s no place for full automatic weapons.  Street gangs are more well armed than the police are.”

 

We don’t know where Jesse gets his facts but of the 125 murders year to date in Chicago, none were committed with a full-auto firearm of any sort. We won’t go into the fact that full-auto weapons have been regulated by the National Firearms Act since 1934.

 

Gun Quotes

 

The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops. — Noah Webster, (1787).

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

Garland Texas Policeman Stops Terror Attack

This week saw terror come again to American soil. Two ISIS affiliated terrorists sought to kill hundreds of people expressing their free speech rights by drawing the Prophet Mohammad.  The attack was stopped cold, ended by a policeman with a tremendous amount of bravery and skill — and a commonly available pistol.

 

A sixty-year-old Garland, Texas traffic cop responded to the gunfire that wounded his partner. From the available reports, he advanced into their rifles, wounding one terrorist, killing the second, then shot the first one again as he reached for a backpack possibly containing explosives. Details are very sketchy at this time, but in overhead pictures it’s possible to see the trail of shell casings left as the policeman took the fight to the terrorists.

 

There are lessons aplenty in this incident. It appears now that the dead were not directly sponsored by any foreign terror organization. That is not the good news it may seem. The two were radicalized through social media, choosing to achieve ISIS’ ends on their own. ISIS infected malcontents could appear anywhere across the US in large individual numbers. With ISIS training camps a few miles from the deliberately opened southern border, better arms and training could easily be provided to enhance the skills of those sorry individuals.

ISIS boasts that they have 71 soldiers in 15 different states, with targets in 5. By chance or design, those five states are amongst the most gun restrictive. Concealed carry would be limited there, along with other defensive advantages of the gun culture. Several commentators have noted how much the Garland situation looked like an IPSC stage. Could Texas’ vibrant gun culture have contributed to the success of the gentleman? Would an anti-gun environment have hurt?  We know which way we would bet.

Garland is very much an everyman’s triumph. An aging traffic cop armed with a common Glock pistol defeated two armed and armored terrorists. He is the very definition of the heroes in our Don’t Torque-Off the Old Person series. The skills and equipment to make a difference are well within the grasp of the common man and woman. All of us will need to take them in hand. We need to get armed, frequently train, practice, carry everywhere, and stay alert. There is no telling where we will be when the balloon goes up the next time.

 

Armed Citizen Saves Police Officer
An armed citizen acted to save a police officer being beaten by a dangerous criminal. During a foot chase of a home robbery suspect, the policeman had his baton taken and used against him. The officer was hit on the head as many as twelve times, causing a large gash. Into that desperate situation stepped a citizen, who shouted at the thief to stop. The citizen backed up his demand with a drawn gun.

 

The suspect and his confederate were placed under arrest.  The downed officer was taken to the local hospital. He was later released and is expected to make a full recovery.

 

We certainly commend the civic minded civilian hero for his actions and bravery.

 

Home Invader Shot By Hunter

In a suburb of Boulder, Colorado, a home-invader ignored a really big clue, and paid for his inattention. Roberto Zamora, 19, was stalking the well-to-do neighborhood that night. Several homeowners had already called 911 about his attempts to break into their homes. The house he finally choose for his adventure was odd, as it had a trophy visible to all: a magnificent Elk head mounted high on the wall. Most would have taken this as a clue that the house had a firearm along with someone who knew how to use it. Many robbers would have shied off. Not this criminal.

 

Zamora made his intentions clear by trying to break-in a rear window. The homeowner armed himself while his wife added to the 911 calls to the cops. Zamora reversed his attack and burst through the glass front door. The victim was knocked to the ground, there was a struggle, a shot, and Zamora fell dead with a single bullet wound to the chest.

The homeowner and his wife spoke to 911 again. The owner calmly told the dispatcher he had shot the suspect. “Everything’s fine. You just need to get the cops here.” The victim held onto his gun until told to put it down by the 911 dispatcher. When the cops finally arrived, the owner told them he shot because he feared for his life. The Boulder District Attorney’s Office will determine if the shooting falls under Colorado’s Castle Doctrine, dismissively referred to as the “Make My Day” law by much of the local media.

 

Even in this upscale neighborhood, the cops arrived a lifetime too late. When they did finally arrive, they were simply historians, armed for their own protection. The homeowner’s decision to arm himself possibly — probably — saved him and his wife from serious injury or death at the hands of a seemingly unstable intruder.

 

Police Shoot Victim of Home Invasion

The Initial armed citizen/ police contact is fraught with danger. Especially when shots have been fired and the adrenalin is screaming in everybody’s viens.  A Hollywood, South Carolina homeowner was shot in the neck by responding deputies when he failed to put down the firearm in his hands.

Deputies were called to the home by reports of an ongoing armed home invasion. They observed two cyclist pedalling away from the scene, but naturally focused on the man at the backdoor with a gun. In the first confusing seconds, the man was ordered to drop the gun, and then shot by a deputy when he did not comply. In the ambulance, the homeowner said he had been in a gunfight with two men who escaped on bicycles. He had been on the phone with the 911 operator for about nine minutes, but dropped the line to defend himself. Another 911 call from a woman reported shots fired.

One of the cyclists has been caught and charged with first-degree burglary and attempted murder. The homeowner has been operated on, but his condition is not known at this time.

What is known, that in the chaotic situation that is a self-defense shooting, it’s important to realize that the cops cannot know what is going on or who the players actually are. It is absolutely essential that the victim not appear threatening. The police orders are to be followed immediately. Plan accordingly.

 

Armed citizen not going to be charged after review of a January shooting in a Waffle House.

 

Back in January we covered a shooting in a Waffle house restaurant. At the time it wasn’t certain whether the man who defended himself would be charged. After a thorough review the Florida state’s attorney’s office announced this week that they will not charge Jerharrd Williams in the case.  There is video of the shooting that was released, and it looks as though Mr Williams was going “by the book after the shooting. Even to the point of after the shooting and the danger had passed he laid down the gun and called police.

 

WWII Vet Tunes-Up a Punk – DTOOP  (This Goes Last in the DGUs)

Finally, in another of our continuing “Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy or Gal” series, we have the heartwarming story of an older gentleman doing his part to help educate the youth of America.

 

A 95-year-old Manchester, New Hampshire resident saw a young man eyeing him in the local pharmacy. The observant old guy wasn’t too shocked when the thug tried to rob him in the neighboring credit union parking lot. The thief made repeated grabs for the wallet kept in a zippered pocket. That wallet was precious to victim, it contained a credit card, license and his grandchildren’s pictures; to him, worth fighting for.

Did we mention the Old Guy was a World War II veteran, a soldier, and had fought on Bloody Okinawa?

 

“He wasn’t very aggressive — but I was.” Arthur Kemberis remembers. “I probably hurt him a little bit.” Indeed. The thug got tuned-up several times with Arthur’s metal walking cane; taking 3 or 4 thumps to the shoulder. A passerby finally intervened, saving the feckless thief from additional embarrassment. He’s still on the run, but the police have an excellent surveillance photo of the punk.

After all that he’s endured, Old Guy Arthur isn’t taking any more chances; “My .357 Magnum will be with me all the time.” A note to thieves thinking about preying on the Greatest Generation: It’s dangerous to Torque-Off the Old Guy.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Comment from the Website: Mark Hookum commented on our last episode.

 

Thank you for all you do, I live in Minnesota and I’ve heard my guys from the Minnesota groups on your show, ( Andrew Rothman ) I actually listen to your show over and over. Don’t take this wrong, I listen to your show as I drift off to sleep because I almost feel I know your people and you are just comforting , I also listen at least once at work to make sure I catch the whole podcast in full, to make sure I hear everything said, Thank you ALL

 

Rob wanted us to mention one of his slow facts blog posts he made this week. He wrote about the 7th Circuit decision that we covered last week and extrapolated that the ruling could FORCE people to buy guns as the majority opinion in the Pew Research poll showed that people felt safer in the home when there was a gun there. They used opinion in the decision, but used the minority opinion.  Therefore since the wrong opinion was used it could be turned and force those that do not believe in guns to possess them. That is our VERY short synopsis of his column, go read it for yourself at slow facts dot wordpress dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

Congressman Mike Rogers of Alabama has offered an excellent amendment to the act which funds the Dept of Defense. He is proposing that the approximately 92,000 1911s that the government still has in storage and which costs them about $200,000 annually to store, be transferred to the Civilian Marksmanship Program for sale. I think this proposal is worthy of our listeners support. Of course, you have to meet certain marksmanship standards and be a member of a CMP affiliated club to be able to purchase anything from the CMP.

 

This post and others can be found at onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 328 – Laura Carno and Jeff Street

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 3 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with Laura Carno about her post, “no, I will not shut my pie hole”.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Baltimore riots.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a homeowner uses a handgun to defend themselves after their home was burglarised for the second time in a week…  so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 328 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Gary- Waiting for my AR to arrive by mail.  Added lights to my safe.  I’m going to hear Sonal Shah speak.

 

John – I had a hearing exam on Monday. I have tinnitis or ring in the ears that is due to exposure to loud noise when I was younger. I did something stupid but that was common back then – I shot without hearing protection. Now I have both ringing in the ears and high frequency drop out. I’m sure there will come a time when I need hearing aids. In other firearm related personal news, I finally weighed the lightweight AR I built. Without optics and a backup rear sight, it comes in at 5 lb, 12 oz. With those attached, I’m still only at 6 lbs 2.7 oz. I just need to find time to try it at the range! I’m also gathering parts now to make a retro style AR. This AR building is addictive!

 

Rob- I was in Los Angeles earlier this week, so I dropped in and heard Alan Korwin speak.  Alan owns and runs Bloomfield press.  He wrote many books and has a great blog called page nine.  Doris started the group, Children of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and the group Jews can shoot.  Alan spoke about what to do after you’ve defended yourself.  That was interesting, and the audience was interesting.  Also, Doris gave me a great hat.  I shot IDPA and mentored another group of doctors for their first shots.  Someone brought a FN 5.7 and they let me shoot it.  It is loud, but doesn’t have much recoil.

 

Paul – RANT

 

I need to go off a bit here. I had a friend and dedicated fighter for our rights post a video to my wall asking if he knew who the person was that was in the video that he posted. The video was of a single person doing an “open carry” demonstration of the sidewalk in front of the federal courthouse in Sioux Falls. The video came in 2 parts and never showed the face of the person who recorded the video. I did not recognize the voice of the person and so I replied and said that I didn’t although the kid was a bit of a ummm jerk. I said worse on Facebook, but I keep the show very family friendly.

 

It turns out that I do know the person. They replied on Facebook and let’s just say that the butthurt was strong in that one.

 

Let me take just a minute here and let me let you know how I feel about open carry, although for many of you this may be a bit of going over well trodden ground I think that it is important.  Actually let me read a post I made to facebook and I will continue on after that.

 

I support your Second Amendment rights, I believe that you have the right to posses and peacefully use any weapon that you can afford. This includes everything from the 10-22 to the F-22. I also support your 1st Amendment rights to say whatever you feel, to worship whatever God you believe in and associate with whomever you chose to.

My hobby and part time side business ( Polite Society Podcast) relies and advocates heavily on both of those rights guarantees the Constitution offers.

However if you are one of those that are being a jerk about your 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, doing some of the myriad of things that hurt us. Things such as open carrying in a manner that causes public alarm; carrying a rifle in a place of business (some leniency given to those in Texas and other states where open carry of handguns isn’t allowed);, or making videos while egging police on just to hopefully make a “YouTube celebrity” out of yourself while using a fake name you are hurting us badly.

I use my real name both here on Facebook and on my show. I don’t hide behind some made up moniker. If you cannot put your real name to what you are doing, if you would not be proud to have your social media posts displayed to your parents, to your preacher, to your doctor or to your grandchildren (whether or not they agree with you) then PLEASE for the love of God DON’T post them!

A lot of people have “friended” me on Facebook because of the show. Thank you to all of you who have, even if I haven’t met you personally or interacted with you often. If you think that I might be referring to you in this post then it’s possible that I am. I beg of you to please look at what you are doing and think to yourself “Is what I am doing going to alarm someone who may be neutral to our fight and make them think that the other side may be right?” (end of FB post)

 

I support your right to open carry. I open carry my handgun while at home. I have participated in organized open carry walks. If done correctly open carry can be a powerful tool to help us. If done incorrectly it can be a tool for Bloomberg’s demanding mommies, CSGV (coalition to stop gun violence, and the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence? )and others to point and say “look at the loonies that they have! Even worse, it can make the average citizen who votes, and is neutral to our side turn away from us.

 

While you are open carrying EVERYTHING that you do is magnified. If you are polite and respectful, if you are dressed well and well groomed, and if you inspire confidence in those around you that helps us.

 

If however you are a jerk to those that you interact with, if you are untidy or unkempt, or most importantly if you instil fear you are doing more damage than demanding mommies or the brady bunch ever has.

 

Again I ask, if your actions could be seen to intimidate PLEASE think twice about doing them.

 

Rob- We are ambassadors.  Are you a good ambassador who will appeal to the average citizen?

 

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Seg 2- News

 

Paul- Leading the news we have conflicting statements from Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake.

 

The mayor said the following in a press conference when things started to get ugly in her city. (Audio clip #1)

 

After getting some criticism she then decided that she never actually said that at all, and that we were just twisting her words. (audio clip #2)

 

-Paul- this is classic Progressivism. She is going on as if nothing ever happened. Making it up as she goes along. I would suggest Mayor Rawlings-Blake that you mark the block that your personal residence is on as a place set aside as room to destroy That sounds like a better balance to me than places where hard working people are trying to make a living.

 

We are going to take a quick side trip here. while perusing Facebook one evening I came across a video that puts the Police violence thing in perspective. Here is some audio. (Audio clip #3)

 

-Paul-  A couple of things about this caught my attention. First that they looked not just at deaths but at all charges of excessive force by officers, Second that they broke things down by contact.

I am one that doesn’t respond well to percentages and so did some of my own math on the figures they presented. If 2000 people are contacted in one form or another by police 1 person will file an excessive force complaint. Of all the complaints only 8 percent had merit, so if police were to contact 25000 people on average only 1 complaint of excessive force would have any merit. That is a DAMN good track record.

 

Rob- there are 20 gang murders for every gun related homicide that involves a policeman.  The vast majority of the police involved shootings are ruled to be justified by self-defense.  That puts violence into perspective.

 

Rob-  Taxes and regulations in Baltimore drove businesses out of the city.  Unemployment jumped.  Addiction rose to record levels.  Fatherlessness rose as young men could not find jobs and start families.  People who still had jobs left Baltimore because of increasing crime.  The price and quality of housing crashed, just as it has in Detroit.  While all of this was happening, the city, state and federal governments poured extraordinary amounts of money into housing projects and schools.  Now a black drug addict whose mother was a drug addict was injured by a mostly black police force controlled by black politicians.  People rioted and burned stores owned by koreans. Government policies killed Baltimore.. and now they are looking for someone to blame.  The politicians will blame racism.. and propose the police wear body cameras.

 

Let’s also ask every elected official to wear body cameras too.. with another camera placed in their office.  That is leading by example.  Anything else is politics as usual.

 

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John-

Waiting periods

There are several myths about gun control.  The first is that waiting periods save lives.  A waiting period is the delay between purchasing a firearm and taking possession of it,.  It has been called a “cooling off” period that could stop impulsive actions.  That doesn’t make sense if the buyer already owns a gun.  That is what a Federal Judge said in California, but California politicians appealed the judge’s decision anyway.

 

One Wisconsin lawmaker finally had the courage to state the obvious about waiting periods.  Wisconsin Senator Van Wanggaard served as a traffic investigator and graduated from the Racine police academy.  He said waiting periods don’t work.  Studies backed him up.  Waiting periods don’t change the overall suicide rate or homicide rate.  Some studies found a decrease in violence while other studies found an increase in violence associated with waiting periods.  The results hinge on a critical distinction, are we disarming a violent criminal.  or a potential victim.  The proposed change in Wisconsin law eliminating waiting periods goes to the Wisconsin Assembly and then, hopefully, to Governor Scott Walker for his signature.

 

Background checks fail again

Background checks are another gun-control myth.  Making honest gun owners re-register their firearms is somehow going to stop criminals from getting a gun.  Would it stop car theft if we had to go to the department of motor vehicles so I could drive your car?  Mandatory background checks are being proposed in the Oregon legislature.  Background checks are already mandatory in Washington state so we can see if they are effective.

 

Despite their gun prohibitions, the impossible happened this week in Thurston, Washington.  A high school student brought a gun to school and started shooting.  He was tackled by a teacher, and no one was injured.

The student was sixteen years old, so couldn’t own a gun.

The student was on probation, so couldn’t touch a gun.

Thank goodness Washington State has mandatory background checks so the student couldn’t take someone elses gun.. but he did.  Detectives say the student wanted to commit suicide by cop.

It looks like gun prohibition doesn’t work, but that won’t stop bigoted anti-rights politicians.

 

– In New York state, any pretext is good enough for another firearms restriction.   Now an Amish man is suing New York because of state gun laws.  New York requires a background check whenever guns change hands.  The background check requires a photo identification card.  The Amish don’t have photo identification, so now they can’t buy or sell guns in New York.  Tell me again who new york laws are protecting us from?? from the Amish?

 

– In Vermont, Bloomberg’s anti gun groups were pushing for mandatory background checks each time you took possession of a gun.  They spent almost 138 thousand dollars promoting the legislation.  Pro-rights groups spent only 20 cents for every bloomberg dollar.. and the pro-rights groups won.  There are no mandatory background checks in Vermont.  That took work from vermont gun owners.  Well done!

 

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Rob- 7th Circuit Upholds Assault Weapon Ban

On Monday, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an Illinois city’s ban on so called assault weapons and high capacity magazines. This stunning ruling specifically dismisses the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and recent case law and instead relies upon the presumed feelings of the public. The majority of the three judge panel held that “if a ban on semi‐automatic guns and large‐capacity magazines reduces the perceived risk from a mass shooting, and makes the public feel safer as a result, that’s a substantial benefit.” In other words, if some the public can be convinced that the ban could make them safer, it’s OK; facts be damned. It’s hard to imagine a more incoherent legal justification.

In his dissenting opinion, the third panel judge wrote that the ruling is “at odds with the central holdings of Heller and McDonald: that the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home.”

 

This issue will almost certainly go before the Supreme Court at some time. For the citizens of Highland Park, Illinois, and of this nation, we can only hope it’s soon.

 

John – Why do I have the song Feelings running through head. “Feelings, nothing but feelings, oh, oh, oh”

 

Gary- Two  judges side with the politicians to give them more power.  Judges say all it takes is a good sounding headline to justify disarming the public.  The uninformed public will “feel safer” after they read the political spin.

 

Anti-Gun Researcher Refuses to Debate Dr. John Lott

The research director for Bloomberg’s astroturfing Everytown for Gun Safety, recently refused to debate gun law researcher John Lott. While we can’t blame Bloomberg’s mouthpiece for being chicken, after all, Dr. Lott is a force of nature with facts and statistics, his refusal to talk face-to-face is telling: antis just don’t have the facts on their side.

 

C-SPAN invited both gentlemen to discussed a recent Pew Research Center study that found more Americans now think protecting gun rights is more important than controlling gun ownership. Everytown’s Mr. Alcorn declined  to appear at the same time as  Dr. Lott, resorting to personal attacks to explain his refusal. Alcorn was allowed to appear after Dr. Lott, completely eliminating every possibility of give and take.

 

Lott said he was disappointed someone from Everytown wasn’t willing to discuss the Pew Center’s findings. The Pew study showed Americans who had once worried about crime and favored strict gun control, now wanted no more laws or even to loosen gun restrictions. “In short, we are at a moment when most Americans believe crime rates are rising and when most believe gun ownership — not gun control — makes people safer,” wrote Pew’s Andrew Kohut. “Every country in the world that’s banned guns has seen an increase in murder rates,” said Dr. Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center and the author of “More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws.” Lott said that with more stories about defensive gun use being distributed in the new media, people are catching up to research on the issue. He reiterated that predictions of gun control advocates have never come to pass.

 

Spreading the word of lawful defensive gun uses is a big part of what we do here at the Polite Society Podcast.  It seems we are helping to make a difference.

 

Michael Moore Relies on the 2nd Amendment?

Big screen fabulist, virulent anti-gunner, noted hypocrite and left-wing barking moonbat Michael Moore may be supporting Michelle Obama’s claim that chronic obesity can lead to early-onset senility.

 

Very early Thursday morning, the big chunk took to Twitter to demand the immediate release of every African-American in prison for drug or nonviolent offenses. For his next belly-flop into insanity, Moore imperiously demanded that all police instantly disarm. Oddly enough, he justified that stupidity by noting; “We have a 1/4 billion 2nd amendment guns in our homes 4 protection.” Although true, that’s very odd reasoning from someone who wants the public’s firearms seized at gunpoint by the police. However, apparently even that blind pig can find an acorn of 2nd Amendment truth once in a while.

Go to bed Mikey, you’re drunk on yourself.

 

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Gun Quotes

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. Upton Sinclair

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Jeff Street teaches firearms safety at his church.

First Baptist Church Naples

3000 Orange Blossom Drive

Naples FL 34109

 

Do you charge? Free.  Can’t charge when we use the church buildings.

How long have you been teaching at the church? About 2 years

How many attend the classes? 10 – 45

What is the goal of the class? This class is a great refresher for those current firearm owners and a wonderful introduction for those who are seeking information to start their firearm journey.

Emphasis on Dry Practice Training drills you can do at home to improve your fundamental skills including but not limited to grip, stance, trigger press. We also work on safe handling while drawing from holster, strong hand to off hand gun transitioning, etc. We also discuss personal defense ideas and issues. Mindset, The Law and Physical Skills.

What equipment do you use?  Blue Guns, SiRT Laser Pistols, Train Safe Barrel Blocks, Clearly marked dummy ammo (no live ammo is allowed in the classroom), LASR software from centroloutions using Infrared cameras and infrared SiRT pistols.

What is the overall reception to the training? They like it very much.  They also come to our live fire classes at LouLand Gun Club.  We put on Scoot and Shoot events at least twice a month.  The scoot and shoot is competition with yourself.  Some come to improve their competitive skills and some come to practice their self-defense skills. Some do both on the same day.

What are your credentials?  We have instructor certifications from; the NRA, Defense Training International John Farnam, RangeMaster Tom Givens, and Gabe Suarez.

 

Contact Jeff Street at Step by Step Gun Training

http://stepbystepguntraining.com/drypracticeclass/

 

Laura Carno’s blog post on legislative stategy-  No, I Will Not “Shut My Pie Hole!

Laura’s other websites are-

I am created equal.

Laura Carno.com

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

(WHY DO WE WANT TO LIST EXAMPLES OF WHAT NOT TO DO? -ROB)
I see it as part of our charter to teach and inform. I think it is an important story, as long as this type of issue is not overdone. However, I could certainly be wrong – I’m married after all.  😉 Dan

 

XX- The news media won’t call it a defensive gun use, but we saw it in Ferguson, Missouri.  We saw it again this week in Baltimore, Maryland as well.  We saw stores smashed, looted and burned during riots.  We also saw store owners protect their businesses by standing there with a firearm.. and with no shots fired.

A Baltimore Sun reporter left his Crips gang member protection and was maced by a looter demanding his cell phone. The attack was stopped when the reporter ran to a store owner with a shotgun.  More guns, less crime.

 

Tennessee Homeowner Shoots Robber

An East Knox County, Tennessee homeowner was startled awake early Wednesday morning by the sound of breaking glass. From his bedroom, the homeowner saw an intruder climbing through a living room window. The owner fired once, and the robber fell backwards. Police found the perpetrator dead on the porch.

The late James Melvin Vinson had accumulated an extensive criminal record in his 40 years, including multiple theft and drug charges. At the time of his final crime, he had two outstanding warrants; for theft and for violating the parole that put him back on the street once again. Mr Vinson was the very definition of an outlaw; largely unrestrained by the legal system.

 

The homeowner is not expected to face charges. Under Tennessee’s Stand Your Ground law the man was within his rights when he used a gun to defend his home and his family.

 

Misuse of a Citizen’s Firearm

With rights come responsibility. A North Carolina man failed to use his rights responsibly in a shoplifting incident at a store. A man ran from the Beasley Power Equipment store with a pilfered a chainsaw. The thief jumped into a vehicle with two others while being pursued by the store owner’s son. They sped off after the son brandished the pistol and ordered them to stop. Two shots were fired at the departing vehicle and the driver was hit in the head. The store employee reported those facts to a 911 operator, along with an admission that he had seen no firearm. Their conversation, of course, was being recorded.

 

Our DGUs usually show the proper lifesaving use of firearms. For educational purposes, we do comment when their use could have been better. As such, we must point out when someone is legally and morally wrong when employing a weapon.

 

Most states hold that firearms can only be used in the defense of one’s self and others. A fleeing thief is simply not a danger to the CCW holder. Only a few states allow deadly force in defense of property; North Carolina is probably not one of them. In any case, a chainsaw cannot be equated with a human life. The pistol owner simply should not have fired in that situation. He should have been a good witness and reported the license plate numbers to the police.

The driver has been hospitalized in critical condition, his two confederates charged with felony theft. At this time, the shooter is under investigation by the district attorney. The shooter and his business will almost certainly face civil lawsuits. Self-defense classes like Massad Ayoob’s MAG 20 would have would have certainly made this mistake less likely.

 

Homeowner Shoots Two in Second Home Invasion in a Week

In the warped world of the criminal, they can come to feel they own something merely by desiring it. This can lead to repeated, seemingly improbable, attempts to possess the thing. This may be what happened to a California homeowner this week.

 

In the normally peaceful Pittsburg, California neighborhood, a homeowner shot and killed two home invaders Friday evening. This was the second time in a week that their home had been a burglarized. In the earlier incident, four people had been arrested. At this time, it is not known if the two deceased were somehow related to the earlier incident.

 

A neighbor wondered if there was a the connection between the two home invasions. “There’s no way of knowing,” he said. “They broke in and ransacked the place, and maybe they saw something they liked and came back.”  “If I was in (the homeowners) position, I would have done the same thing,” he said.

 

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Paul-

Salt Lake City Warning Shot

A his and her burglary team broke into a pricy Salt Lake City area home Monday morning. Alerted by the family’s dog, a neighbor called 911 and the homeowner grabbed a gun. At one point, the homeowner fired a warning shot, chasing the duo out of the house – and straight into the arms of the arriving police. Authorities report that the suspects have previous criminal histories.

 

Warning shots are rarely a good idea. The self-defense use of a firearm is usually limited to life or death situations. If the victim has time for a warning shot, almost by definition the situation cannot be that critical. That bullet has to go somewhere, perhaps threatening someone in the home or some distance away. And the victim has thrown away a significant portion of their life-saving device’s resources.

 

Quality formal training may have kept the homeowner from making this possible error. That being said, we commend the homeowner, the neighbor and police for the happy resolution to this home invasion.

 

Store manager shoots would-be robber in East Houston

The manager of an East Houston Cash-n-Carry was assaulted in the front door of his store Thursday morning. A robber put a gun to his back and demanded his cash. It apparently wasn’t the manager’s first rodeo, as underneath the package in his arm – he held a legally concealed handgun.

 

In that extreme situation, the manager used his gun and put two or three shots into the chest of the armed robber. The robber died at the hospital. An accomplice may have fled the scene in a getaway vehicle.

 

The robber paid the ultimate price for nothing, as the manager’s bag didn’t contain the hoped-for cash, instead only toiletries. To the good, the manager was able to stop the theft of his own life through his foresight and preparedness.

 

Utah CCW Stops Carjacking

 

A Utah CCW holder stopped a carjacking at a Macy’s in Orem, Utah on Saturday and ended a crime spree. The unidentified CCW holder, a 31 y.o. male,  had been shopping and came out into the parking lot to see a woman screaming as she was being pulled out of her Mercedes. The carjacker had stolen a truck earlier and was “trading cars”. The CCW holder ordered the carjacker out of the car. The carjacker then lunged at the man and tried to take his firearm upon which he was shot and killed. Police are treating this as a legitimate use of deadly force and are not charging the CCW holder. The carjacker, whose name is being withheld pending an autopsy, was wanted on several felony warrants. Police are searching for two other accomplices who fled.

 

Houston CCW Stops Carjacking

Wednesday evening a man was sitting in his vehicle in downtown Houston when two men asked for a ride. The motorist naturally refused and the two men left, but they came back. At gunpoint, the driver was ordered to kneel behind the car. When both men got in, the victim drew his legally possessed CCW and fired at the driver. The 30 year old carjacker died a short distance away, his accomplice escaped on foot.

 

The case will be referred to the grand jury to determine what, if any, charges will be filed.

 

Man Shoots Attacker With Attacker’s Gun

And lastly, a hapless New Orleans thief was shot with his own gun after his armed robbery attempt went dramatically sideways. The intended victim was having none of the assault, won the struggle for the gun, and immediately employed it in self-defense.

Good on the victim for turning the tables on the feckless thief. However, it’s usually best if you bring your own concealed weapon, rather than relying on the perpetrator to supply one for you.

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

We got this comment on our website and we thought that we would share it.

 

Great show. I was surprised to hear that more firearm genre radio programs could not be recalled, so allowe me. There is the “Lock Stock and Daria” out of Rhode Island (local), “On Target” broadcasting out of Illinois (local), Georgia Carry.org out of Atlanta (Local), now these are just off the top of my head. But you all are correct Gun Talk was the first nationally (key word) syndicated radio show and it was decades before they were challenged. As with National Media’s bias towards gun self defense stories, what they are not realizing or unwilling to realize is that local media has to report such events in their news cycle. What happens is average Joe one night watches the local channel 5 and learns of a single mother with two kids suffer a home invasion possibly ending with death, the following week average Joe watches a story of an 85 year pistol packing Ethel putting six in a bad guy saving her sick husband’s life. Now average Joe starts to think, and begins to talk to friends and so on and so on, the whole time national media sit in their New York bubble believing they are controlling the message, and fortunately with new gun friendly media that is no longer a true statement.

Keep pumping them out, I’ll keep listening.

 

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I asked the question, How Does a Business Survive a Riot?  We saw it in Los Angeles.  We saw it in Ferguson.  Now we’ve seen it in Baltimore.  I have answers from Charles Heller, Dave Cole, Miguel Gonzalez, George Hill, Stephen Wegener, Ben Branam and Layla Sumners.  You can find their answers at SlowFacts dot wordpress dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

I just want to quickly mention two posts that are related. First, I posted about Lonnie and Sandy Phillips. They were the plaintiffs who are now liable for attorneys’ fee for having sued Lucky Gunner and Sportsman’s Guide. We expressed some sympathy for them in the podcast last week. Turns out they are Brady Campaign employees and have been since 2013. Second, I did post the first of my Bad Apple Lawyer series featuring Prof. David Kairys who developed the public nuisance theory that was used in many municipal lawsuits against gun makers.

 

Both of these and more can be found at my blog. The address is onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday April 26th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk About Cleveland taking a backward step for our rights.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a Pew research poll that is giving the Bloomberg clan a bit of a migraine.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s an Illinois resident stops a possible mass shooting, yes he had a concealed carry permit. So climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 327 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Rob- I made a guest appearance on Armed American Radio last sunday.  Wrote news for Kenn Blanchard on Black man with a gun.  Went to a local meeting for self-defense activists on Tuesday.  Heard Ed Peruta speak at a local Tea Party meeting, and wrote two articles for Ammoland and ClashDaily.  My night job is feeling like my day job.

 

John – I just spent the weekend visiting with my granddaughter Olivia Grace. It is amazing how much she has grown in a mere 3 weeks or so since I have seen her last. The semester is winding down and papers to grade are piling up. I love the teaching, I tolerate the grading. With regard to gun stuff, Gary will be interested in this – the lightweight AR is done. I thought I needed to trade out the buffer tube but it is just because the Mission First Tactical stock is tight on it. I still need to zero it before I do a review and blog post on it.

 

Paul – More work on audio book. Did some dry fire practice specific to the draw. I wanted to find out how what I normally wear as cover garments work with drawing. I found that a hawiian shirt does a great job of concealing and a great job of not getting out of the way when I draw. A photographers vest does a FAR better job of getting out of the way, but it is a “shoot me first” vest.

More work on the home studio. it is almost where I want it for the audio setup.

Working on ordering stuff for the bob mayne/ben branam class.

 

Gary – Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

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Seg 2- News

 

–We’ve heard anti-gun groups say that firearms ownership is falling.  They claim that record gun sales are going to fewer and fewer gun owners, and that the majority of people are calling for gun control.  New polling data from Pew research calls that claim into question.  In fact, the poll discovered a huge shift in public opinion about the right of self-defense.

Today, and for the first time, more Americans support the right of self defense instead of asking for more gun control.  52 percent say that protecting gun rights is important while only 42 percent say the government should do more to control firearms ownership.

There are several reasons for our changing opinions, though not all of them make sense.  63 percent of us think crime is rising.  In fact, crime rates continue to fall, with current crime rates falling to only a quarter of the crime rate of the early 1990s.  We have a distorted perception of violence in society.

Perhaps that is why today 63 percent of us say a gun in the home makes us safer.  Ten years ago we were in a 50/50 tie on that issue.

comment- I didn’t know we had that many listeners, but someone is changing hearts and minds.

 

-Here is another measure of the changing view of firearms.  A priest in a Detroit suburb now wants his parish to take a concealed carry class.  Father Edward Fride wrote to his parish and scheduled a concealed carry class at Christ the King parish.  Father Fride was a pacifist.  He ministered to military veterans and their families.  It looks like the influence went both ways, since the Father is known for recruiting new vocations to the priesthood.. and Father Fride is now studying martial arts.  He said it hurt to imagine an innocent person being hurt while all he could do was watch.  The father was overruled by his bishop, so the next concealed carry classes won’t be held at the parish.. for now.

 

-There is more news on the culture front.  Catholic College students have traditionally been more supportive of social justice rather than supporting the right to keep and bear arms.  That is changing.. at least in anti-gun Washington DC.  The student government at Catholic University voted for concealed carry on campus.  The vote for armed self-defense won by a margin of 16 to 11.  Catholic U has policies and practices that are both liberal and conservative.  The school is located in the Northeast quadrant of Washington, DC.  There are many news articles about students being robbed on campus and off campus, and they say a conservative is simply a liberal who’s been mugged.

 

-Campus carry isn’t academic or theoretical.  We can examine real world experience.  We see the effects because Colorado had campus carry for the last 12 years.  There was only one reported incident.  That was by a university employee and no one was injured.

 

Census data from the 1990s surveyed rape victims and victims of attempted rape.  26 of these victims said they used a firearm for self-defense.  The armed women stopped their attacker in every case.  They were neither raped nor injured after they presented a firearm.  That tells us what to expect on campus.

 

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-We have more news from Washington DC.  A gunman walked onto the steps of the US capital.

(Sound effect- GASP)

I know you’re shocked, but the gun free zone signs failed to stop the armed man.  This disturbed individual committed suicide with a shot to his head.  That means that the law abiding citizens were at risk.. from those who do not obey the law.  You’d have to be crazy to think that plastic signs stop violence.  The Capital was locked down for two hours after the shooting.

 

-We have a bit of unexpected sanity to report from Maryland.  The Maryland legislature repealed their ballistic imaging program.  Ballistic imaging looks at the microscopic abrasions formed on a shell casing as it is fired.  It turns out the case marks change as the gun gets dirty, as ammunition changes, and as the gun wears and springs fatigue.  Ballistic fingerprinting has never been used to solve crime.  maryland stopped funding the program several years ago, but gun owners were still required to submit shell casings of new firearms.  Not any more.

 

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Now we have to ask if New York is smart enough to learn from Maryland and stop their own unsuccessful ballistic database.. and let’s ask if California will foolishly try to implement microstamping by looking at the mark left by the firing pin on the primer.  I don’t know if they are as smart as the politicians in Maryland. http://www.nssfblog.com/maryland-ends-ballistics-imaging-program-and-provides-a-lesson/

 

-Politics is as much about appearance as performance.  The director of safety in Cleveland said as much.  Michael McGrath proposed new gun laws and openly admitted they might not do any good.  They were passed by the Cleveland city council.  Quoting the mayor, “the legislation was not designed to stop gun violence” to begin with. Instead, he hopes it will “encourage responsible gun ownership.”  Here are the new laws that reflect the council’s values:

  • Outlaw carrying a concealed deadly weapon or handgun, unless the person is a police officer or a person who holds a license to carry a concealed weapon.
  • Requires a person who sells or transfers a gun, and who is not a licensed gun dealer, to report such transactions to police
  • Requires an owner to report a lost or stolen gun to police.
  • Creates a gun offender registry, requiring people convicted of gun crimes to register their names with Cleveland’s Safety Director.
  • Prohibits the display, marking or sale of a facsimile firearm and prohibits brandishing a facsimile firearm in the presence of law enforcement or with the intent to frighten people.
  • Prohibits the negligent transfer of a firearm to a felon or intoxicated person.
  • Sets restrictions for firearms in the hands of minors and restricts discharging firearms in public areas, including schools, churches, cemeteries, playgrounds, and parks.
  • Requires owners to safely store firearms to keep them from being stolen or out of the hands of children.

 

Gary- sounds like they must make crime illegal.

Rob- sounds like a politician who wrapped his anti-gun bigotry in feel-good public relations.

 

-Sometimes the anti-rights politicians lose.  Park carry is now legal in Tennessee.  Some city officials who had preempted discreet carry complained about the new law.  Officials like Knoxville Mayor Madeline Rogero ignored the attacks that occurred in the disarmed victim zones known as her parks.  Maybe that was because Mayor Rogero has an armed security detail of her own.  They forget that most Tennessee cities let armed citizens travel without restriction in city parks.   The anti-rights politicians were projecting their hoplophobia and ignoring real world experience with gun owners.

 

Here is a shout out to Tennessee gun owners and legislators.  You did the right thing.

 

-Senator Ted Cruz is running for president.  When he spoke in New Hampshire, Senator Cruz said, “I think it’s very important to have a public discussion about why we’re denying our soldiers the ability to exercise their Second Amendment rights (on military bases).” Currently, only law enforcement and security personnel are permitted to carry weapons, while soldiers are strictly prohibited from being armed on post.  That prohibition was signed by President George Herbert Walker Bush. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/ted-cruz-2016-second-amendment-gun-rights-117133.html?hp=rc3_4

-Speaking of candidates.. another presidential candidate was at the NRA annual meeting.  Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush bragged about his record and said, Quote “Today there are well over 1.3 million law-abiding Floridians with a valid concealed weapons permit, 1.3 million. That’s the most in the nation – nearly double that of the second state, which is Texas. Sorry, Gov. Perry.”  Close quote.  The number is closer to 1.4 million.  A key factor is the ease and reciprocity granted through non-resident Florida permits. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/apr/15/jeb-bush/which-state-most-gun-permits

 

-This good news will still make you cry.  In 2010, four gang members charged into a southern California jewelry store and rushed the staff.  The thugs were armed with hammers and clubs.  The store owner was armed with a pistol.  He shot the robbers.  One died, but the store owner was sued by the family of the dead robber.   Even though the police said the store owner defended himself and the store staff from a deadly threat, California law allows anyone to file a lawsuit at any time for almost any reason.  It took six years to obtain a full dismissal of the case against the store owner in California.

 

Comment- Who has CCW insurance?  http://email.nraila.org/articles/20150419/california-armed-robber-s-lawsuit-against-jewelry-store-robbery-victim-thrown-out-of-court

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-Pennsylvania isn’t like California.  Three Pennsylvania state representatives set up a seminar to inform gun owners of their legal rights and responsibilities.  Representatives Seth Grove, Kate Klunk, and Kristin Phillips teamed up to hold the event May 2.  An attorney will cover Pennsylvania’s concealed carry laws and a  police officer will discuss how to safely interact with the law enforcement.  The seminar is free.  There are no training requirements for a Pennsylvania CCW. http://www.eveningsun.com/local/ci_27934639/concealed-carry-seminar-planned-may-2

 

-This story is from the Chicago area.  Two Arlington Heights police officers who were found guilty of constitutional violations and ordered by a federal jury to pay a resident $80,000 in damages for illegally searching his home and seizing his guns.  Art Lovi lost his wife to cancer.  He was talking to his therapist for grief counseling.  Lovi made a threat against a doctor who misdiagnosed his wife’s cancer years ago.  The therapist reported the threat to the Arlington Heights Police Department, although she added she did not believe Lovi was a threat to himself or others.

A few hours later, Lovi got a call from police, who asked if he had any weapons in his home. Lovi told them yes, he had a valid FOID card and three antique firearms, including a musket that was more than 100 years old, but that he had no ammunition.  That night officers showed up at Lovi’s house, where he says they entered without a warrant and confiscated his weapons.  The next day the police told him he had to have a psychiatric examination.  Lovi’s lawsuit says police threatened that if he didn’t go into the ambulance willingly, they would handcuff him and physically put him in the ambulance. Lovi was released later that day after a medical evaluation determined he was not a danger to himself or others. Lovi was never arrested or charged with a crime.  He says he tried to get his guns back several times, but it wasn’t until two months later, when he hired an attorney to help him, that the guns were returned.  He then filed a civil rights lawsuit and two years later a jury found Arlington Heights police officers guilty. If the jury decision stands appeal, Illinois law says the individual officers would be responsible for paying those damages. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150417/news/150418731/

 

Parents of Aurora Victim Might Pay $220k For Frivolous Lawsuit

With backing from the Brady Center, the parents of an Aurora, CO mover theater shooting victim sued four online retailers for selling equipment and ammunition to the shooter. Claiming that the firms should have somehow known the mental state of the purchaser, Sandy and Lonnie Phillips sued for unspecified damages and changes to business practices.

At the time of the suit, many noted that a federal law, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act of 2005, protected firearms firms from lawsuits based on the acts of their customers. Colorado had a similar law, but added a provision that allows defendants  to recover their fees and costs from unsuccessful plaintiffs. The lawsuit was always a longshot, and it failed in federal court. In dismissing the case, the judge ruled that the defendants may collect appropriate damages from the plaintiffs and their attorneys. In the resulting fee application, the Brady Center was specifically named for fostering the political lawsuit.

 

Defendant Lucky Gunner requested that the judgement be recovered equally from the Phillips and their attorneys. As the Phillips were represented by both their attorneys and the Brady Centers’, there is a possibility that the Brady’s might have to pay something for their abuse of the legal system. One can only hope.

 

While we deeply sympathize with the Phillips over the tragic loss of their daughter, we would remind them of the old proverb: If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

 

Threats Coming to Our Door

We have several international terrorism stories that may have direct impact to this nation.

 

In Italy, police are working to round up eighteen Islamic terror cell suspects. Nine suspects have already been arrested; another nine are being sought, some may have escaped the country. Prosecutors believe they were behind a failed 2010 plot to attack the Vatican as well as a Pakistan market bombing that killed more than a 100 a year earlier. It is not known what they were doing in Italy.

 

Italian officials are responding to the threats of the Islamic State group to conquer Rome and destroy the Vatican. Security has been beefed up at the Vatican, but there is no information about any specific threat.

 

In France, a Jihadi accidently shot himself in the leg, foiling plans for attacks on two churches. Police followed a trail of blood to a car were a stash of weapons including a Kalashnikov was found.  More weapons and evidence of the terrorist plot were seized from the suspect’s home. DNA evidence ties the suspect to this week’s murder of a woman near the French capital. Police are searching for the others involved in the plot.

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls warned that his country was facing an unprecedented terrorist threat.

 

Eight miles south of the Texas border, a Mexican military personnel identified an ISIS Terror Training Camp. The heavily-defended camp sits in the Mexican state of Chihuahua, a haven for drug cartels. Another sits across from Columbus, New Mexico. The Examiner reports that Obama is aware of ISIS and other Islamists in Mexico but is ignoring the threats to avoid compromising his amnesty program.

Islamist have openly bragged about targeting Western civilization. The military, malls, and now religious congregations are on their list. Their plans have brought them to Europe and now North America. As Americans, Christians and Jews have been targeted, it is up to us to be ready.

 

Paul-  I want our listeners to know we send our staff to the far corners of the earth to cover stories.  Rob had to drive about an hour to hear Ed Peruta speak to a tea party group.  Tell us about it.

 

Rob-  It was tough, Paul.  You used to live in south San Diego County.  Ed Peruta spoke in Ramona California.  He spoke at the Ramona Tea Party event held at the Ramona Mainstage.  I ordered a hotdog and beer while we listened to Ed.

 

Ed now runs a news service covering breaking stories in the North East.  He also does legal investigations for Attorney Rachel M Baird http://rachelbairdlaw.com/ in Torrington, Connecticut.  Ed is also a director at Connecticut Carry.

 

Let me give you some background about Ed.  He joined the marines when he was 17 years old to fight in Vietnam.  He is deeply patriotic and supports law enforcement.  He was a policeman for two years.  He was dismissed because he did not shoot a black man when he was running away.  Ed also hates dishonest policemen and politicians.  He is skeptical about every claim made by a government official.

 

He has a firearms permit in Connecticut, Utah and Florida, but getting a permit is not about guns for him.  It is about the constitution.  You can get a hearing to have food stamps in Connecticut, and you must have your hearing within 60 days.  They can stall you for two years to get a permit in Connecticut.  That makes Ed angry.

 

Ed has several apartments across the country, including one in San Diego.  Ed was living in his motor home with his wife when they visited San Diego one winter.  He spoke to the local gun shops and asked about a concealed carry permit.  Then he did what any investigator does, he read up on the suspects and interviewed them.  He read about “good cause” in San Diego and recorded his two interviews with the San Diego deputies.  He expected to be turned down.

 

At first the NRA, SAF and CRPA didn’t help him.  Ed paid the first 15 thousand dollars of his own legal bills to get the case to trial.  The NRA funded his case on appeal.

 

Ed has a permit in Connecticut.  Notice these similarities between Connecticut and San Diego.  Connecticut has 3.5 million people.  San Diego County has 3.3 million.  Connecticut covers 5, 500 square miles.  San Diego County covers 4,500  square miles.  The population and population density is very similar.  Connecticut has 203 thousand concealed carry permits, or 4.5 percent of the population.  San Diego has 1200 permits, or .04 percent.

 

Ed is in his mid sixties.  He said, I may not get to see the case settled, but I hope you will!  The legal case, Peruta VS San Diego will change the lives of 60 million americans.

 

Here he is after his talk.

Paul, play audio (Insert quote)

He was as comfortable with a tea party group as he is giving legal testimony.

 

(who???) Gun Quotes-  If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. Samuel Adams

 

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Rob- Let me comment on Jews can shoot.  Some of my friends feel they need to be perfect instructors before they take a friend shooting.  Doris would like to be perfect, but progress is more important than perfection.  She is a teacher and a student.  She has some lectures in mind with police officers, assistant district attorneys, and defense lawyers.  That should be interesting.

 

This story was emailed to us by listener and frequent email correspondent Anthony L. Thanks to all of our listeners who frequently email us to let us know about stories that they think we may be interested in! You knew this next story was bound to happen in Chicago.  A licensed concealed carry holder was also a driver for Uber.  He was waiting in the Logan Square area while a group of people walked in front of his car.   That is when Everardo Custodio began firing into the crowd. The Uber driver pulled out a handgun fired six shots and hit Custodio.  No other injuries were reported.  The Chicago Police chief said concealed carry holders were a danger to the public, but this Uber driver is a better shot than Chicago and New York police officers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-uber-driver-shoots-gunman-met-0420-20150419-story.html/

 

Homeowner Defends Himself From Driveway Robbery

A Conway Arkansas homeowner effectively and somewhat exuberantly defended his life Monday night. Two men interrupted James Allen’s walk toward his car and demanded money. He drew his CCW, but the robbers shot first and missed. Mr Allen then performed a fighting retreat behind a hail of 20 bullets. The altercation left holes in a neighborhood house and Mr Allen’s car. Fortunately, no one was injured and unfortunately, there have been no arrests.

The value of suppressive fire has long been known by the military. And while we will not argue with success, Mr Allen’s neighbors might have appreciated a bit of restraint. We must reiterate that a shooter is morally and legally responsible for every round he or she fires.

 

A Self-Defense Shooter is Shot in Self-Defense

A woman learned the harsh fact that a self-defense situation doesn’t stop with the shot.

 

The Huntsville, Alabama woman was forced to shoot when her armed estranged husband invaded the house she shares with her mother. When the police arrived, she was standing in her garage holding a shotgun. When ordered to drop the gun, the woman, who could have been in shock or partially deafened, turned toward the cops with the gun. At least one officer fired. The woman is expected to survive, her ex is in critical condition.

 

Self-defense instructors point to the first contact with the police as an especially dangerous time. If possible, someone should meet the cops and explain the situation. Again, if possible, no gun should be near the victim’s hands; it should be either holstered or put on the ground well away from the perpetrator. It goes without saying that the victim should be as non-threatening as possible and immediately follow the cop’s instructions. If there is a doubt, slowly getting flat on the ground with hands spread would seem to be a good course.

Shopper Interjects Himself Into a Family Feud

A simple trip to the grocery store got a lot more complicated for a Little Rock, Arkansas man Wednesday. Walking out with his groceries, the man identified as Gene saw an elderly man being attacked by seven younger men. He  could not ignore that situation, so he dropped his groceries and drew his concealed weapon. He stopped the attack – and provided all CCW carriers with a learning opportunity.

 

The altercation Gene had injected himself into did stop. However, another shopper dialed 911 and reported him as a man waving a gun. Others hung around a potential gunfight taking video and pictures. The men told him this wasn’t his fight and to put his gun down. When the police finally arrived, both the attackers and the victim had long since fled.

 

Gene had involved himself in a situation that most cops dread: a family feud. The old man was being set upon by his nephew. What looked like a serious attack might have really been a loud, somewhat physical argument. Fortunately, Gene maintained his composure and kept his finger outside the trigger guard and alongside the pistol.

 

Several bystanders indicated they would have also have acted as Gene did. So, what would you have done?

Self-defense philosopher Michael Bane strongly cautions about getting involved in someone else’s problem. It is almost impossible to correctly grasp a situation at a glance. Is that man wrestling a woman a rapist — or a husband trying to restrain his wife from hurting herself? Michael urges people to first ensure the safety of themselves and their loved ones, and only then act as a good observer for the cops.

Although we certainly tip our hat to Gene and his decision to help an elderly gentleman, we must reiterate that as concealed carriers we are not law enforcement; rather, we are sheepdogs protecting a very small flock.

 

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Gal

A kindly old Fort Worth grandmother proved she was made of much sterner stuff than her age would suggest.

 

Jewell Turner, 74, rolled down her minivan window to help a stranger asking for directions. That stranger put a knife to her throat and demanded the contents of her purse. The Old Gal thought about what was in her purse, briefly considered her deceased husband’s switchblade, but instead choose the handgun. “I just reached down, got the gun and turned around and pointed it to his face. And I told him; ‘You back off, or I’ll blow your head off.’ “

 

Turner said she felt taken advantage of by the man, who preyed upon her sense of kindness. “This let me know there is a dark side,” Turner said. “I noticed there was a dark side in me, too. Because when I first pulled that gun on him I actually wanted to shoot him. But I stopped and thought about it. I just hope they find him before he hurts somebody, or somebody hurts him.” Somebody like a steely-haired grandmother.

 

As for that very, very lucky stranger, the pistol-packing granny remembered that “…his eyes got big and he just backed up and he took off walking down the street like nothing happened.” No doubt resolving to never again Torque-Off an Old Gal.

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Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about a new gun ban at San Diego’s Petco Park where the Padres play.  The local police and the team owners don’t want concealed carriers in the park.  Now they won’t let off-duty law enforcement officers into the park either.  It is a political decision, not a security decision.

 

I also wrote about the new Pew Research poll we covered in the news.  It made me laugh at the news media.  The news media sensationalize crime and violence.. and then they seem surprised when their viewers think we live in an unusually violent world.  It comes as a shock to the journalists, but an armed society is a polite society. Take an example from the NRA convention.  Even the police could relax when 80 thousand gun owners had their back in Nashville.

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

I have started my blog series Bad Apple Lawyers. It will profile the attorneys who are behind the lawsuits intended to curtail gun rights. Many of these lawyers are with large law firms and they are donating their legal expertise pro bono or free to the Brady Center and other groups. Lawyers and others who practice lawfare on the Second Amendment need to be exposed for the anti-civil rights bigots that they are. The first to be profiled will be law professor David Kairys who’s theories were used in many of the early lawsuits in the 90s and early 2000s.

 

You can find this and other posts at onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.  (Paul – Rob did a lot of excellent work this week – as he and Gary and John do most weeks. CF)

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 326 – Jason Christiansen, Billy Johnson, and Crayle Vanest

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday April 19th, 2105, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with film maker Billy Johnson about his documentary called Protecting Liberty.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Crayle Vanest of students for concealed carry.. and talk about another failure of a gun free zone on a college campus in my home state of North Carolina.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a daughter takes her father’s advice and it likely saved her life.. so climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 326 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Rob- They advertise the NRA annual meeting as 9 acres of guns and gear.  That misses the point.  There are acres of experts waiting to meet to you.  I talked with Col. David Grossman, John Lott, Michael Bane, Anette Wachter, Rick Ector, Jim Clark, Joyce and Bill Wilson, Katie Pavlich, Cam Edwards, Tom Gresham, Mark Walters and his family, Julianne Versnal and Alan Gottlieb, David Jensen, Tatiana Whitlock, Laura Carno, Tim Schmidt, Billy and Rachel Johnson, Jim Curtis, Mike Vanderboegh, Dean Weingarten, David Cole and the bloggers.  I listened to Rob Pincus, but didn’t get to talk with him.

 

I added a customized sight to my Mosin-Nagant.  Then I sold a gun, bought a gun, and ordered a gun belt.

 

John-I’m not sure if I talked with as many people as Rob but I did talk with a lot. The NRA Annual Meeting was great for catching up with old friends as well as making new ones such as Richard Johnson of Guns Holsters and Gear.  Unfortunately there are too many old friends to mention or we’d never finish the show. I was invited to the rollout of the new Glock 43 and got to shoot it. It is a solid little gun that should sell well but should not be considered a beginner’s gun. I also attended the Annual Firearms Law Seminar which was time well spent. It gave me the idea to start a series of blog posts called Bad Apple Lawyers which is a play on the Brady Center’s Bad Apple Gun Dealer lawsuits. I think it is past time to call out the attorneys at “Big Law” who are donating their time pro bono to curtail our 2nd Amendment rights.

 

My only regret is that I didn’t get enough time on the show floor to see more of the gun collector displays. Those historical firearms tell a story and I didn’t get to hear all of it.

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

 

Bob Mayne/Ben Branam May 16th-17th www.Handgunworld.com to register

 

Kathy Jackson – August 15th-16th Susan@politicsandguns.com

 

Chaz Murray asked me to let everyone know that he is having a class in Utah July 24th and 25th Rumor has it that one or more of the Gun Dudes might attend, or they might not.

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-Maine Governor Paul LePage signed a law legalizing automatic opening knives. Freshman Representative Joel Stetkis helped pass the bill.  The new law takes effect 90 days after the legislature adjourns, so we can’t really give you a date at this point.  Automatic knives are now legal for civilians without restriction in 27 states, and legal with various restrictions in 10 more.

 

College’s Gun-Free Zone Failure

All the laws, policies, surveillance cameras, campus security, no-guns signs and gun-free zones failed to save a college employee’s life.

 

Ron Lane, a long-time employee at Wayne Community College in Goldsboro, North Carolina was shot and killed Monday morning. Armed with a rifle, a former student stalked the victim across the gun-free zone and finally cornered him in a campus bathroom. There, a single shot ended the employee’s life. The alleged killer escaped and was eventually captured on a beach in Florida.

 

School was in session at the time of the murder. A student reported that her teacher moved them to a corner of the classroom, turned off the lights, and barricaded the door with a table. Innocents cowering in the dark without any real protection is a chilling metaphor for what comes from the sheep-like reliance on gun-free zones.
We call on our bureaucratic managers to recognize that evil will not stop at the edge of a fantasy. Gun-free zones only ensure that the law-abiding will be helpless to resist the lawless. It’s a tragedy that people will die – have died –  because of that fiction.

 

John – This was a targeted attack. The killer, whose face and head are covered with Nazi and white supremacy tattoos, was not going to be deterred by mere signs.

Oregon Legislatures Pushing Gun Sale Background Check has Citizens Pushing Recall

Bloomberg’s billions are making gun-control inroads in the Oregon state legislature. A long delayed universal background check bill patterned after the Bloomberg inspired Colorado fiasco has passed the Oregon Senate. Just like in Colorado, this initiative has riled the populace. Just like in Colorado, certain legislatures are feeling the hot breath of recalls.

Three petitions for recall have been filed against the anti-gun bill’s cosponsors and the Democrat leader of the Oregon House, who expects to move the bill quickly though her chamber. The petitions are not restricted to gun rights complaints, but encompass other issues such as education funding. Other recall petitions are surely possible. Sufficient signatures must be collected before a special election is called.

Like Colorado, the recall efforts come from grass-root sources. The two small organizations are aware of each other, but only connected informally. There is the possibility of funding from gun-rights organizations.

Although these efforts are in their infancy, they are following the same unlikely peoples protest that occurred in Colorado. We wish them the incredible success of Colorado.

 

Also in Oregon (and thanks to listener Anthony L. for emailing us the story)

At least one sheriff doesn’t plan on enforcing the background checks if the proposed measure that passed the senate does indeed become law. Sheriff Dave Daniel, from Josephine County has stated that “I can’t enforce that law, so therefore it won’t be enforced,” He continued, “I have felonies going on daily in Josephine County. That’s my priorities.”

 

If it becomes law SB941 would require background checks for all firearms sales, including private sales. It would make a sale without a background check a class b misdemeanor.

 

Our Old Friend Dudley Brown is at It Again.

 

Speaking of Colorado, it appears our old friend Dudley Brown is at work again. Brown, who heads both NAGR and Rocky Mtn Gun Owners, wants the Colorado magazine size limit repealed, all or nothing. There was a move that many Democrats could support that would raise the size of the mag limit to 30 rounds. In other words, virtually all standard capacity handgun magazines and 99% of AR mags would become legal again. However, anything other than a complete repeal wasn’t good enough for Dudley and any compromise which would have helped Colorado gun owners went down the tubes. To make matters worse, Dudley has promised primary challenges to 5 Republicans who voted to abide by House rules after a House committee rejected the Senate bill that would have lifted the ban. The Colorado Springs Gazette notes in an editorial regarding Brown and RMGO that they are, “notorious for launching primary challenges against pro-gun conservatives, replacing them with ineffective activists who reject incremental victories and the art of compromise.”

 

John – Incrementalism or taking what you can get this time is how the gun banners have achieved so much over time. We in the gun rights movement are stupid if we don’t learn that lesson. In military terms, full frontal attacks rarely succeed unlike flanking attacks.

 

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NICS Mentally Defective List Is 99.3% Vets

 

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is asking Attorney General Eric Holder to explain the content of the NICS mentally defective list. Specifically, he wants to know why the list consists primarily of veterans and their families. The Congressional Research Service estimates that 99.3% of all names submitted to the NICS System’s mentally defective category come from the Veterans Administration even though all Fed agencies can submit names. Grassley wants to know the review process used to ensure that these names were properly put on the list as they have been singled out for deprivation of the Second Amendment rights. Grassley goes on to say “VA reports individuals to the gun ban list if an individual merely needs financial assistance managing VA benefits. Although the VA process is not designed to regulate firearm ownership, it results in veterans and their loved ones being barred from exercising their fundamental, Constitutionally-guaranteed Second Amendment rights.”

 

Police Officer Denied Medical Treatment

 

In what can only be considered a case of extreme hoplophobia,  Plymouth, Ohio police officer Wayne Liggett was denied treatment at the Walk In Urgent Care Center in Mansfield because, get this, he was carrying his firearm. The Center is posted against concealed carry but Ohio law exempts police officers from these prohibitions. Officer Liggett had sought treatment for his eye because he was seeing floaters and flashes. Instead of treating Officer Liggett, the urgent care center called the Mansfield Police Department who told him to come out of the treatment room with his hands up and then handcuffed him. After confirming Officer Liggett was indeed a police officer they returned his weapon. However, he was still denied treatment and escorted from the building. His eye condition was later diagnosed a retinal tear for which he has had two surgeries. This whole incident has Plymouth PD Chief Charles Doan very concerned saying, “”Officers carry to be prepared, and citizens do too. If you have a concealed carry and get hurt, are they going to say, ‘Get him out of here?’ ”

Magpul does it right!

 

At SHOT Show this year Magpul industries announced that they were starting to ship magazines for the glock 17 9mm. The mags received good reviews and left many gun owners wondering when they would be available for the .40 and .45.

 

This week Magpul released a statement titled “OK we screwed up.”

 

There seem to be issues with the new mags feeding into Glock 19’s and 26’s. Magpul not only immediately let the problem be known, they found a fix and started production on the fix immediately. They are going to replace the magazine body of every one sold so far. They expect new magazine bodies to be shipped May 5th. That is customer service and integrity. Remington are you paying attention?

 

Wal-Mart wins against an anti rights church

 

On Tuesday a federal appeals court issued a ruling that Wal-Mart can continue selling firearms and ammunition. This after a small church in New York filed suit trying to force the retailer to stop selling firearms that can accept a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. The church had bought a few thousand shares of Wal-Mart stock went to court to try to force more oversight and make it harder for Wal-Mart to sell the guns. It should be noted that although buying a few thousand shares sounds impressive, the church actually owned less than one one hundredth of 1 percent of the company.

 

Gun Quotes

If you think a federal universal background check is going to keep criminals from buying guns from each other, then I’d like to know why it hasn’t prevented them from buying drugs from each other? Sean Davis writing at The Federalist

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Billy Johnson and his documentary project called Protecting Liberty.

Crayle Vanest of students for concealed carry foundation.

Jason Christiansen of Concealment Solutions.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- I donated to both Billy Johnson’s kickstarter campaign.. and to students for concealed carry foundation.  Come to think of it, I’ve donated to Jason Christiansen too.

 

Daughter Actually Listens to Father – Possibly Saving Her Life

“Honestly, I mostly carry it because my dad wanted me to. Now I’m glad I listened.”

The unlikely decision to listen may have saved a young Indianapolis, Indiana woman from injury or worse. Crystal was on her way home from a grocery store late Friday night when she was surprised by three men. ‘Shut up, be quiet, don’t say anything’ and the one here had a weapon,” said the victim. When one man made a grab for her, she started shooting, hitting one and forcing them all to flee. Police later arrested an 18 year-old with a gunshot wound to the shoulder. They’re still looking for the other two. Police found items in the suspects’ SUV from an apartment take-over robbery earlier that night. In that crime, the suspects pistol-whipped a defenseless woman.

 

Crystal has some advice for women: “Learn how to protect yourself if you don’t know how. Be more aware. I wasn’t paying attention to my surroundings at all.”

I wonder if her father would share some secrets on getting a woman to listen?

Man Defends His Three Children From a Crazy in WalMart

A man used his licensed CCW to defend himself and his three children from an unprovoked attack in a Yakima, Washington WalMart.

Security video shows a 30 year-old transient suspect picking up an aluminum bat and striking the victim on the shoulder. No words had been exchanged between the two, they did not know each other; the attack was completely at random. Compounding the danger, the victim’s three children were within easy striking distance.

Faced with a potentially deadly situation, the victim drew his .357 SIG pistol. Store security heard a man in the sporting goods department shouting “Get on the ground!” and found one man pointing a pistol at another — who was indeed on the ground. Police arrived minutes later to arrest the proned-out assailant, who remains in jail on a $30,000 bond.

We certainly applaud the CCW holder for his foresight and his measured, textbook response to this desperate situation.

Phoenix Man Shoots Assailant Pistol Whipping Him

In a textbook Failure in the Victim Selection Process, as defined by Massad Ayoob, a 22 year-old thug was shot by the man he was pistol-whipping.

 

Early Sunday morning, three men were walking across a Phoenix bridge when a stranger approached, pulled a handgun, and pistol-whipped one of them. The victim pulled his own handgun and fired several shots, striking the assailant at least once. The alleged criminal expired at the scene.

The investigation is still on-going, but it seems to be a case of justifiable self-defense.

Home Invasion Crime Spree Ended By Homeowner With a Gun

A string of violent home invasions was ended by a homeowner with a gun.

Two men went on a home-invasion crime spree in Madison, Wisconsin Friday morning. Their string of crimes included armed breaking and entering into three homes and an assault on a 90 year old woman. It ended with a struggle and a shot fired.

 

Police were too late to help the first two residents. However, an armed citizen made all the difference in the third. At 10 in the morning, 911 received a panicked phone call from a woman locked in her bathroom. She had heard the sounds of a break-in and her husband had gone to investigate. Invader and homeowner struggled and a shot was fired. The criminal dropped his weapon and was detained at gunpoint by the husband. The robber’s accomplice fled, but was nabbed before the getaway car got too far.

We applaud the bravery of the homeowner. His actions successfully protected his wife and stopped a string of armed home-invasions – which could have very well lead to additional injuries or even deaths.

 

However, we need to point out that most self-defense instructors would recommend – if possible – holing up armed in a safe area and forcing the criminals to come to them. All the homeowner’s possessions aren’t worth their lives. The cops will get there — eventually.

Home Invasion, Robbery, Kidnapping and Rape Ended by Neighbor’s Shot

If you don’t have a gun – it’s best to know somebody with a gun.

 

Early this past Sunday morning, three violent criminals splintered the front door of a sleeping Gadsden, Alabama woman. Looting the house wasn’t enough for one thug, he put a gun to the woman’s head and viciously raped her. Even that wasn’t enough, he continued to beat her while demanding all of her money. The desperate woman concocted a story that a neighbor down the street had the money.

 

The invader dragged the woman to the neighbor’s door at gunpoint. She pounded and pleaded for the unknowing man to give her the money, telling him that she was being threatened. The neighbor saw the gun and punched in 911. However, the thug didn’t give the cops the time to arrive. He yelled for the neighbor to hang up, punctuating his demands with two shots, and then aimed his gun at the 59 year-old man. That man was armed.

The neighbor’s single shot hit the rapist in the chest. The thug ran a short way, then collapsed in a heap and died.

The woman was taken to the hospital, the neighbor to police headquarters, the thug to the morgue. It was found that the dead criminal had packed a lot of violence into his 17 years. Police have not released the dead man’s name or a description of his two accomplices. The Etowah County DA’s office said they are reviewing the case to determine if any charges will be filed against the good samaritan. At this time the investigation is ongoing.

 

Stay aware, stay capable, stay safe out there — it’s a dangerous world.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email # 1

 

Hi All,

I don’t think listener Ken in Phoenix can equate the “gun show loop hole” with “selling guns to felons”.  Closing the “loop hole” does not ensure felons will not be able to buy firearms.  Closing the “loop hole” does ensure additional fees, time, and steps to registration for the law abiding.  The only dangerous sales that are “closed” at that point are the very rare number of private sales by law abiding sellers to someone without personally knowing the buyer or checking their CHL.  Those could be eliminated by encouraging, (not requiring) those the law would realistically effect to ensure the buyer is a not a felon.  What if we opened up the NICS check to private individuals to have the option (not requirement) to check on the background of a potential buyer, WITHOUT having to fill out a 4473?

BG check to registration is a far leap, I will give Ken that, but they are not 2 separate things . Currently there is a buyers name DOB and birth city, tied with an approval number; written on a 4473; that also contains make model and SN of a firearm and an address where that firearm could be found.  It’s a big leap but it is feasible to use that as a defacto registration.

One final point.  No tin hats here. I don’t believe Feinstein is gonna come a knockin’ across the country , “Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in”. VERY unlikely.  What is likely and is happening with more regularity is when someone says “That Paul guy and his wife Susan are hot heads, the only proof of that is my opinion. They can be disarmed of every firearm they have bought on a 4473 if tell the state my opinion”.

Dan from Philly

 

Email #2

 

I just thought I’d write in about the discussion you had on background checks and the “gun show loophole” prompted by the listener e-mail.

 

I understand the confusion about the loophole the listener expressed, and you are correct – It is already illegal to knowingly sell a gun to a felon.  The issue is that it’s difficult if not impossible to know who is and is not a felon when you’re exchanging e-mails on a local listings site or chatting with someone at the range.  Dealing only with those with CCW permits greatly reduces your potential buyer pool, so most transactions don’t take place with that kind of restriction, in my experience.

 

I share your fear of a de-facto gun registry, but what if instead we just had a registry of who is NOT allowed to own guns?.  Everyone else, gun owners, anti-gunners, and every schmo on the street who hasn’t even thought of buying a gun would have the same mark on their license or other ID, and only those who were specifically prohibited from owning guns would have an identifying mark.  After all, felony convictions are public record, and there’s no right to privacy on those that I’m aware of.  This proposal would basically just take what is public record and make it more easily accessible to people on the street.  In return for this concession, I would expect universal CCW reciprocity and a loosening of the restrictions on NFA items like suppressors and short barreled firearms.

 

You could of course still have people cheating the system with fake ID’s, but even now people can cheat the system the same way by stealing an ID of someone else and lying on the 4473 form, or even faking a CCW permit to get out of the background check entirely (in some states).

 

Thanks, and keep on truckin’

-Jake from Iowa

 

Rob- I want to comment on a discussion you had last week.  Ken wrote in and said-

“A private sale, be it at a gun show or in my back yard, without a background check, is a loophole in selling firearms, since background checks are required by licensed retailers but not by private individuals. When I say I am for closing the “gun show loophole”, I want to make sure guns aren’t being sold to felons.”

 

Ken, I have to criticize you, not for your intentions, but for your methods.  What you propose doesn’t work.  We know it doesn’t work.  You said “I want to pass a law that criminals will obey.. and if it doesn’t work, I’ll pass another law.”  No amount of firearms prohibition has been effective in disarming criminals.  You have disarmed honest men and women.  You’ve also enabled anti-rights politicians who claim their unending stream of prohibitions might “save one life” somewhere someday.  Ken, I know you are thoughtful, so I’d like you to find a firearms regulation that has shown to be both effective and the least intrusive means to achieve the claimed result.

Paul, I want to argue with you.  You complain about a background check where a federal registry is possible.. and you’re ok using a concealed carry permit where a federal registry is a certainty.

 

Paul- Send us a note if you’ve promoted the right of self-defense.  We’ll give you a shout out on the podcast.

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I met amazing women at the NRA show.. and the media largely ignores them.  We have brilliant and beautiful advocates for the right of self-defense.  That article is posted on Ammoland Clash Daily, and on my blog at Slowfacts.wordpress.com.

 

John what is new on your blog, No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money?

 

John – I’d like to point out a case before the California Supreme Court. I learned of it from Brandon Combs of the Firearms Policy Coalition. California AG Kamala Harris is trying to say that an opened Swiss Army knife is the legal equivalent of a dirk or dagger. Knife Rights and the Second Amendment Foundation have filed a shared amicus brief in the case. Even if we don’t like the defendant, knives are tools and that principle needs to be defended.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.  http://notonemoregunlaw.blogspot.com/

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Billy Johnson and Crayle Vanest for coming on the show today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday April 12th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and on tonights show we will talk with Bob Mayne.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and we’ll talk about some 2nd Amendment legislation from Mississippi, Arkansas AND Maine!

Sue: so climb aboard

Gary: strap in

Paul: and hang on!  Because episode 325  of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

 

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State Gun Rights Advancements

 

There have been many states gun rights advancements this week:
First, Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant signs pro-Second Amendment reform legislation. The new NRA-backed laws will reduce concealed carry permit fees, allow permitless concealed carry in purses and briefcases, and streamline enhanced carry training requirements for active military and veterans. Other key provisions of the measures include protection from federal over-regulation of commonly-owned rifle ammunition, lowering the age requirement for a carry permit from 21 to 18 for National Guard or Reserve unit personnel, and clarifying limits on where cities and counties can regulate enhanced carry permit holders.

 

Congratulations Mudcats!

 

Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson has signed  ”Shall Certify” legislation which compels Chief Law Enforcement Officers (CLEO’s) to certify ATF National Firearms Act paperwork for any applicant who is not a prohibited possessor by state or federal law. Arkansas becomes the eighth state to enact “Shall Certify”.

 

We congratulate the NFA Freedom Alliance for their excellent work, as well as the citizens of Arkansas.

 

Sowee, Razorbacks!

 

Continuing this Gun Freedom Spring, Maine lawmakers are considering abolishing a concealed carry permit requirement in the state. Maine allows Open Carry without a permit, but requires someone to have a permit if their jacket covers their gun. The bill is a way of telling Maine residents that lawmakers are not going to treat you like a criminal if you put a jacket on.

Sound great! Get on it Maineiacs!

 

Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam has signed legislation that allows workers to sue their employers if they are fired for storing guns in cars parked on company lots. This law specifies that the companies’ 4th Amendment property rights cannot trump the 2nd Amendment rights of the employees.

 

Congratulations to all Tennesseans.

Torrance Police Department’s Theft of a Gun Collection

A Federal lawsuit shoots down Torrance PD gun restoration policy.

 

The Torrance, California Police Department is liable for the failure to return a man’s firearm collection and its eventual destruction. For nearly three years, TPD kept 17 firearms worth $15,800, ignored two court orders to return them, and finally destroyed the collection. In that collection were several irreplaceable family heirlooms. This high-handed arrogance will cost Torrance $30,000.

 

It should have cost them much more.

 

Torrance resident Michael Roberts had surrendered his firearms early in 2010 when a temporary restraining order was filed against him. When the TRO was lifted, Roberts asked for his firearms. Citing Cal DOJ’s Law Enforcement Gun Release letter, Torrance PD refused. The DOJ’s letter wrongly implies that police should not return guns unless the person can document their ownership and the gun is in the DOJ’s database. The law simply does not allow the DOJ to impose those bureaucratic hurdles.

 

“It’s been an ongoing problem for years, said attorney Chuck Michel, who filed the federal lawsuit. Cities such as San Francisco and Oakland have also been sued based on the same erroneous interpretation, and those cities settled their cases and revised their procedures.” Roberts’ dilemma in dealing with a law enforcement agency that doesn’t follow the law is fairly common, said a CRPA spokesman.

 

The lawsuit alleged a malicious motive on the part of the department, which willfully disobeyed judicial orders in order to punish Roberts for not yielding to Torrance PD’s unlawful registration policy. A settlement was reach for more than the value of the firearms and requires a change to TPD’s policies. Unfortunately, it’s the citizens of Torrance that will pay the bill. Although It is hard to see this as anything but theft under the color of authority, police and city officials will not personally answer for their disregard of the law.

 

The citizens of Torrance might just want to take a hard look at their government: it seems it’s no longer a servant, but a terrible master.

 

[Rob may have had some experience with Torrance. Charlie Foxtrot certainly has, and pretty much considers them all <Expletives Deleted>.]

 

‘Boma’s Heart is Broken – Here’s Hoping Mooseshell Breaks His @$$
With his habitual obsessive use of I, me and my, Obama announced through ABC News that he hasn’t given up on gun control.

Speaking to ABC News’ chief Health and Medical editor, Obama once again blamed Sandy Hook on firearms, ignoring the mental illness that many see as the real cause. He blamed Congress, the gun lobby, the NRA and its “intense” members (Guilty!) for the resisting his laws. Obama promised to take steps toward tougher gun policies by administratively tightening up background checks, then oddly free-associated gun control with illegal drug runners. He expressed an intense desire to “chip away” on the NRA’s hold on Congress. He even brought up the tired ol’ cliche that “most gun owners recognized the need for “common sense gun safety laws.” “

 

It may be telling that Obama choose to be interviewed by the fawning Dr. Richard Besser on a location festooned with medical devices and…  errrr… unmoving (dead?) patient readouts. Obama might be returning to the old theme that firearms must be controlled as a medical health risk. He seems to be running out of ideas as well as time.

Obama has less than two years to affect gun control and the other hard-left Progressive causes he longs for. These next two years may well be the most dangerous ever for the Republic and the Constitution. Obama’s desperation for a legacy may prompt further unconstitutional executive orders. We must be eternally vigilant. And Intense.

‘Boma Wins Gun Salesman of the Year – Again
Typifying this misadministration’s talent for unanticipated consequences, Obama’s push for gun control backfired as the firearm industry’s demand soared.

In 2013 – the latest data available – more than 10.8 million firearms were manufactured, double the total three years before. Obama’s attempt to capitalize on the Sandy Hook tragedy encouraged a significant amount of buyer purchases, as did the gun control efforts in states like California, Colorado and New York. An unprecedented amount of  first time buyers responded to the now or never realities by entering the gun culture with a purchase.

 

“The surge in firearms sales in 2013 reflects both a long-term upward trend in shooting sports participation and [a] particular concern that year that law-abiding gun owners and those interested in purchasing a firearm for the first time could face tougher restrictions affecting access to and selection of firearms,” said Mike Bazinet, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

 

Dr. John R. Lott Jr., president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, said polling shows a fundamental shift in attitudes. Americans increasingly believing that the right to bear arms must be protected and increasingly see guns as a way to make homes safer.

 

Another measure of the change in firearms popularity is the steadily increasing number of concealed carry permits, which are said to have tripled over the last few years. Nationally, concealed carry permits have grown from 4.6 million in 2007 to more than 12 million now, according to Dr. Lott.

 

Americans Refusing to Feel Guilty Over Self Defense  
In an on-air editorial, Fox News’ Greg Gutfeld opined that the establishment media’s gun control arguments are increasingly falling on deaf ears because Americans refuse to feel guilty over using guns for self-defense. Many have simply realize that there are seconds–and frequently, agonizing minutes–between the time they dial 911 and the time police arrive.

Breitbart News recently reported that concealed carry is surging in the black community, and no less a prominent figure than Detroit Police Chief James Craig explained that this is a historic shift. Craig explained that Detroit residents have simply come to realize that good guys with guns really can protect their own lives and the lives of their neighbors.

NRA Throws Down Against Hillary
“I vow on this day the NRA will stand shoulder to shoulder with you and good, honest decent Americans and we will stand and fight with everything we’ve got. And in 2016, by God, we will elect the next great president of the United States of America and it will not be Hillary Rodham Clinton,” said at last week’s NRA Annual Meeting by Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre.

 

“She will not bring a dawn of new promise and opportunity. It would be a permanent darkness of deceit and despair forced upon the American people.” LaPierre said Clinton has long been a threat to Second Amendment rights. “She’s been coming after us for decades,” he said.

 

LaPierre did not mention any Republican presidential candidates, rather he focused on Hillary’s unsuitableness for the office. “One day America will elect a woman… not because of her gender but because of her character and integrity and moral fitness to hold the highest office in land,” LaPierre said. “That is how a candidate should be judged.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.

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Northeast Harris County Texas Suppressive Fire

The Internet often asks just how many rounds should be carried in a self-defense firearm. The answer is: just one more than you’ll need.

A Northeast Harris County, Texas man needed a lot of rounds to defend three children and a woman from two trigger-happy home invaders. He was asleep on the couch when the criminals kicked open the door and came in firing. The man grabbed a handgun and returned their fire. Not too effectively, as the uninjured suspects ran to a waiting car and took off. The resident, who’s apparently a little grumpy when woken, continued to fire at the departing car. He expended about 10 rounds defending the lives of the occupants.

While our hero’s marksmanship wasn’t the best, his swarm of bullets did accomplish the goal. However, it should be noted that each bullet has a cop and a lawyer attached to it – the shooter is morally and legally responsible for every round fired. So – if possible – a little restraint on the trigger finger is warranted. And, if the threat has ended, and the criminals are running away screaming like little girls, don’t chase them into the street and continue to fire – get some coffee, dude.

Texas Woman Shoots (Now) Ex-Boyfriend

Don’t mess with Texas. Especially with the Texas dames.

 

A couple brought their violent argument to a Houston area gas station. The man jumped in and out of the car several times, hit the driver in her face, and forced the woman from behind the wheel. The man then attempted to crash the vehicle. Fearing for her safety, the woman shot the crazy, now ex-boyfriend, wounding him in the leg.

The suspect was taken to the hospital, and the woman was questioned by the cops.  Currently the police believe the shooting was justifiable self-defense. The district attorney has the final say, but the woman is not expected to be charged.

Third World Problems – Here

Reminiscent of lawlessness in Africa, South America and the Middle East, someone may be attempting to stop cars in the Louisville, Kentucky area. Late one night, a driver encountered a blockade of several cones across the roadway. When the driver got out to remove them, he was approached by three or four people. Happily, the driver had the foresight to go armed, and the potential assailants ran when the driver pulled his gun. Police were unable to find the highway bandits. Chicago police have reported several similar incidents.

 

Law enforcement warn individuals that if they approach a completely barricaded roadway to follow these simple steps:

 

  1. Lock your vehicle doors and Call 911 immediately (911 will know if there is an issue with the road being closed)
  2. Turn around and use an alternate route if possible, or wait in a secure area for law enforcement to arrive or advise that it is clear.

    We would add a 3rd: Stay aware and stay safe – and carry your legal concealed carry firearm.

    It’s a dangerous world out there.

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“Don’t trust politicians. Trust the NRA.” – Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke to the NRA Leadership Forum

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email #1

 

Paul,
I listened to episode 323 and during the 2nd news segment, the subject was the Oregon background check S.B. 941 and an amendment to the bill which would have eliminated the need for state background check. The amendment was submitted by Senator Kim Thatcher would have prohibited persons identified as such on their Oregon drivers license or state issued ID card. Senator Thatcher’s amendment was later dismissed without discussion and S.B. 941 passed out of committee and will receive full senate vote next week. My concern that you dismissed the thought outright “it’s a solution looking for a problem” and “I would support neither of them”. I understand No Compromise and sometimes its just plain stupid. All it takes is a supermajority and bam you lose more rights like what is happening in Oregon now. S.B. 941 will be voted on next week then on to the Governor for signing. Who loses? The law abiding citizens of Oregon. I bet in a couple months that they would be grateful to have the prohibited persons inconvenienced in having to have their license marked. The No Compromise zealots in Washington state refused to vote for a competing bill I-591 to offset the odorous background check bill I-594 and called Allan Gotlieb a turncoat. That’s right the No Compromise folks called the man that runs the organization that has done more of the 2nd Amendment in the courts labeled a turncoat.
Later in the show you were asked how you would make a private sale of a firearm? You answered by asking and making a copy of their concealed carry permit and drivers license. Well I guess your not going to sell any firearms to non-CCL persons. Would a drivers license that has information if the person is or is not a prohibited person do the same. I think it would solve a problem for me because if I sell a firearm I’m going down to the local pawn shop and paying the $20.00 transfer fee just for my own piece of mind. Paul I understand that the 2nd Amendment is your permit to carry, purchase what have you it’s the other 319 million people you need to convince and they all have their faces stuck to a phone with drool oozing out their mouths.
I always enjoy your show and wish it was a full show twice a week. I also like hearing Rob on both your show and Ken Blanchard’s “Black Man With a Gun” show. Thanks

Jim R
Richmond Hill GA

 

Email #2 – from Phoenix

 

Paul,

We will have to agree to disagree on this. Perhaps it is just semantics, but I think your premise is wrong. A private sale, be it at a gun show or in my back yard, without a background check, is a loophole in selling firearms, since background checks are required by licensed retailers but not by private individuals.

When I say I am for closing the “gun show loophole”, I want to make sure guns aren’t being sold to felons. It’s a huge leap from “background check” to “registration of every firearm”. These as 2 separate things. You can run a background check and never list the firearm in a “gun registry database”.

If we all agree that it’s the bad person and not the bad gun that commits the crime, I don’t see how checking out the criminal record of an individual before selling him the gun is a problem. On the other hand, registration of any gun is a bad thing.

Just my opinions.

Ken S
Phoenix, AZ

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

 

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, April 5th, 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and on tonights show we will talk with Paul Carlson from Safety Solutions Academy.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Chris Christie’s pardon of Shaneen Allen.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about a former boyfriend that used a brick and the current boyfriend that used a gun.. so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Because episode 323 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Gary-  Surefire shot timer.

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Rob-

We have waiting periods in California, so I got my Glock19.  I also ordered new holsters for it, from Jason at Concealment Solutions. I’m looking for suggestions about replacement sights.  Anyone?

 

I went to sell a gun and order another gun, but I was reminded I can’t buy another handgun for the next 20 days.  Welcome to california with its one gun a month rule.  I was able to put a deposit down on a small 22 handgun for students with small hands, so the range will hold it for me.  I can finish the order and application when I’m back from the NRA convention.   Mailed in my Arizona and Utah non-resident CCW applications.  Read news for Kenn Blanchard.  I wrote an article about campus carry and interviewed Amber Kuneau about campus carry.  I contacted Doug Ritter and Kathy Jackson for interviews.  I promoted Dr. John Lott’s fundraiser on my blog.

 

I also had something strange happen on my blog.  Somebody in a forum reposted one of my old articles.  That sent about 600 people over to my site to look at it.. and I have no idea where they came from.  Not a clue.

 

John – I’ve been doing a lot of work and home related stuff so that I won’t have to worry about it this coming week with the NRA Annual Meeting. We’ve had my older stepdaughter and her husband here visiting over the Easter Weekend. It’s great to have family here over the holiday.

 

There is always too much to see and do at the Annual Meeting. I will get to test out the new Glock 43 on Thursday but can’t go to the Dr. John Lott event due to a conflicting event.

 

Paul – Working hard on the audio book. made progress in turning the podcast into a real business.  Recorded interviews already  for the show and am getting ready to head out tomorrow for another week of work. I really wish I could attend the NRAAM, but unfortunately it isn’t in the cards for me this year.

 

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

 

Bob Mayne and Ben Branam Handgunworld.com

Kathy Jackson  Susan@politicsandguns.com

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Seg 2- News

 

Christie Pardons Shaneen Allen

Exhibiting none of the decisive aggressiveness he’s shown around the buffet tables, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has finally done the right thing and pardoned Shaneen Allen.

 

Shaneen Allen and SonsBurlington County Times

Eighteen months ago, Allen was arrested for mistakenly taking her concealed carry pistol into New Jersey. Allen was pulled over for a minor traffic offense, and, as an honest citizen, she immediately informed the officer that she was carrying a weapon. The cops’ reactions were likewise immediate, they slapped on the cuffs and charged her with multiple felonies.

 

The single mother of two spent the next 46 days in jail when Prosecutor James McClain decided to make an example of her. Even though Allen had a clean record, he denied her a diversion program and threatened to crush her with the full power of the state. She faced a miserable future of more than 11 years in prison. All for an offense without intent, nor victim.

 

However, festering corruption like Jersey’s can rarely stand continuous attention: Weeks later, McClain cynically sent a woman-beating professional football player into the same diversion program he denied Allen. That travesty caused gun rights organizations, and the odd podcasters and blogger or two, to ignite a nation-wide firestorm. McClain had to ungracefully back-down and let Allen into the diversion program.

 

Now, still feeling the residual heat, Christie has pardoned Allen. However, the insane laws that jailed her remain in force. Hundreds of other law-abiding citizens, like Brian Aitken, are destroyed for similar petty violations of the state’s draconian, unconstitutional, gun laws. Christie has done nothing to stop those injustices.

 

You can choke on your Presidential ambitions, big guy.

 

Gary – I read the pardon, and find it interesting that the Governor can revoke the pardon at anytime, but a Presidential Pardon can not be revoked ever.

 

 

Listener Anthony sent this in by e-mail.  Governor Brownback Signs Permitless Carry Into Law.  Here is a look at the other end of the political spectrum with a governor that does support the rights of his citizens: Kansas Governor Sam Brownback signed permitless concealed carry into law.  Five states have now adopted Constitutional Carry.

We reported on the bill’s passage through the legislature last week. The Kansas bill enjoyed strong bipartisan support in both legislative branches as well as broad popularity with Kansans. Now, Gov Brownback’s signature has made it law. Opponents were quick to quibble with the freedoms – and corresponding responsibilities – inherent in the bill. Predictably, some of the loudest screeching was from Bloomberg’s Demanding Moms. Disputing the Second Amendment deniers, Brownback noted that the state’s experience with concealed carry has been both positive and safe.
Again, Congratulations Jayhawks!

(Paul- Insert applause sound effect here)

 

 

FBI Director Supports Concealed Carriers

FBI Director James Comey was testifying before a House Committee when he expressed support for Concealed Carriers.  Comey stated – under oath – that in his decades long law enforcement career he’s never had a problem with concealed carriers.  He seemed genuinely supportive of the armed citizen.

Although his political masters can’t be happy about that comment, we applaud FBI Direct Comey for his integrity and honesty.

Operation Choke Point

Last week we discussed the Misadministration’s Operation Choke Point, which abuses the regulatory process in order to deny financial services to businesses that they feel are objectionable. Politically incorrect firms such as the tobacco, coal and gun industries have been illegally targeted.

 

In Florida, there’s strong indications that the operation is still active. American Gun & Pawn recently received notice that the Suntrust Bank would be closing their accounts within 10 days. No reason for the closure was given; the business is said to be an exemplary customer with perfect credit and no overdrafts.

The owner demanded an explanation. A bank representative wasn’t sure why Suntrust was closing his account, but they did know that a lot of gun shops had received similar letters all across the country. It was a corporate decision. The gun store owner plans on talking to an attorney.
In a society where bakers are forced by law to make cakes, how is this possible? Oh… right… a pen and a phone.

 

 

Sarah Brady Dies
Sarah Brady, wife of James Brady and head of the anti-rights Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has died. Her life was tragically altered by a madman’s attack on President Reagan. Her husband, James Brady, was severely injured while in service to this country. The staff of the Polite Society Podcast would like to extend their sincere condolences to Sarah Brady’s friends and family.

 

 

Eddie Eagle

In an effort that actually protects the youth of America, the NRA’s Eddie Eagle GunSafe® program has now reached 26 million children in all 50 states. The nonpartisan program instructs school children on what to do if they encounter a firearm. The Stop! Don’t Touch! Get an Adult! training has certainly contributed to the plunging accidental death by firearms rates.  We congratulate the NRA for their excellent program and their community spirit.

 

 

The District of Columbia Drops Concealed Carry Appeal
The NRA and the SAF report that the District of Columbia has dropped its appeal of a federal judge’s ruling last July that struck down the city’s ban on carrying firearms in public. The case, known as Palmer v. District of Columbia, declared the ban on carrying firearms outside of the home to be unconstitutional.

Unfortunately, the District’s decision is not the rush to sanity that it seems. The city is dropping it defense of Palmer to focus on defending its new concealed carry law against constitutional challenge. SAF founder Alan Gottlieb noted that the District’s current carry law is already being challenged.

 

Under the present scheme, permit applicants must provide a good reason for carrying a firearm, and the police chief gets to decide whether that reason is valid. So far, few applicants have been approved, Gottlieb said, and that is “a fundamental flaw. No public official should enjoy that kind of sway over a citizen’s right to bear arms. It creates a manifestly unfair system that is wide open to abuse and favoritism, as we’ve seen in New York, California and elsewhere that insiders and elitists can get permits, but average citizens are routinely given second-class consideration, or no consideration at all.”

We wish Alan Gottlieb Godspeed!

Comment- Rob- Ask your congressman to disapprove the DC carry law.

 

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More Guns = Less Crime — Even in California

California’s inmates continue their appetite for handguns despite all their betters do to frustrate their wishes.  California Department of Justice statistics show an increasing rate of legal handguns purchases, while gun violence, which largely involves handguns, has continued to fall.

 

In his blog piece, attorney Chuck Michel of CalGunLaws.com discussed the discordinate trends within California.  Contrary to claims made by the gun banning politicians,  California’s plummeting gun violence rate has no statistical relationship to the new gun control laws. The new gun control laws greatly inconvenience the law abiding gun owners and buyers, but had nothing to do with the declining crime rate. Mitchel credits the new crime control laws.

 

In 1993, California voters passed a pair of laws over the objections of their progressive politicians. The Three Strike and 10-20-Life laws gun use law took many career criminals off the streets. As a result of that time-honored formula, crimes rates declined. Predictably, California’s politicians are working to blunt the teeth of those laws.

Ah, California.

 

 

The following ain’t mine.  Dan

 

SKIP

RAW!!!                                                                             Arrest Of School Shooter’s Dad Shows Fatal Flaw Of Gun Control Measure, Says CCRKBA

 

 

  • (NEEDS EDITING) BELLEVUE, WA – Today’s arrest of Raymond Lee Fryberg, father of Marysville Pilchuck gunman Jaylen Fryberg, on charges of illegally purchasing the pistol used in that shooting demonstrates the fatal flaw of so-called “universal background check” legislation, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said.

“Apparently,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, “a permanent protection order issued against Fryberg back in 2002 never made it into the National Instant Check System (NICS). Penalizing all law-abiding gun owners because a system is flawed does not prevent crime from happening, nor does it keep the wrong people from getting their hands on guns.”

The government alleges that not only did the elder Fryberg provide false information on the Federal Form 4473 when he bought the Beretta pistol his son used in the October shooting, he also allegedly bought four other firearms at various times. It is not known why information about the protection order did not appear in the NICS system, but Fryberg’s status as a disqualified person apparently never showed up during NICS checks. But he apparently knew the protection order was still in effect months before he bought the handgun, and so did the tribal court.

“Instead of spending millions of dollars on initiative campaigns aimed at back-door gun registration,” Gottlieb observed, “Michael Bloomberg and other wealthy anti-gun elitists could better spend their money lobbying Congress to either fix the NICS system or scrap it altogether. Indeed, if billionaire gun prohibitionists really wanted to do something useful with their money, they could donate it to the government to pay for the fixes, including better data entry.

“We won’t forget,” he added, “that Nick Hanauer, the chief proponent of Initiative 594 last year, sarcastically joked on social media after the Marysville Pilchuck tragedy that ‘we need more school shootings’. It was a despicable attempt to exploit the shooting, and it is now painfully clear that the measure he and his elitist friends sold the public would not have prevented what happened.

“Buying elections to pass unenforceable laws that don’t prevent crimes creates a false sense of security that is dishonest to its core,” Gottlieb concluded.

 

 

There is some common sense in Oregon.  Gun rights advocates have long asked for pre-approval to buy guns.. and conversely, a mark on a drivers license that shows who is not permitted to buy firearms.  The Oregon gun owner registration bill was stalled.  An amendment proposed by Senator Kim Thatcher would eliminate the onerous background check requirements on private transfers, and replace them with a system whereby only prohibited persons would be identified.

 

This is how it works.  If you are a prohibited person, your driver’s license would include an indicator, just as it does now for corrective lenses or organ donors. Non prohibited persons would have no change on their license. If you wanted to transfer a firearm you would only need to see the back of the recipient’s driver’s license or state ID card. If there is no prohibiting mark, then the transfer is made without a background check.  There are no fees, no registration and no paperwork. There will be no record of the transfer and no list of guns or gun owners.

 

Firearms transfers at dealers would have no changes, except a dealer would have the advantage of knowing beforehand that a person was going to be denied and could save himself the time and expense of running the check.

 

-There is more news from Oregon.  The mandatory background check bill was proposed by state Senator Chuck Riley.  Riley won election by 280 votes.. after he accepted $75 thousand dollars from Bloomberg.  Now there are plans for a recall effort to remove Senator Riley.  Just like Colorado, citizen activists are  researching the recall process, reaching out to volunteers, and contacting prospective candidates to take Senator Riley’s vacant seat.

 

comment-Rob- They turned away 68 citizens who wanted to testify against the bill.

comment – John – But allowed Dan Gross of the Brady Campaign and Gabby Giffords to testify.

 

 

Nigerian Massacre  (This news should go last)

And finally, this week brought us a sickening object lesson on why arms are necessary in a world where evil thrives. The Islamic extremist group al-Shabab proudly massacred 148 people in a Kenyan college. After killing two guards at the gate, the four terrorist were free to roam the school, killing as they pleased. Christian’s were specifically identified for slaughter; Muslims were allowed to go free. Police responded within minutes, but were unfortunately far too late. The murderers were eventually cornered in a school dormitory where, with no more innocents left to kill, they suicided. They left behind chaos and blood-soaked horror.

 

This atrocity was organized by the same al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists that assaulted Nairobi, Kenya’s high-end Westgate shopping mall. Sixty seven lives were taken in an attack that lasted four days. Many lessons became obvious: No less than the secretary-general of Interpol recommended an armed citizenry as a way of protecting people from mass shootings. He noted that it was virtually impossible to stop killers from getting weapons, and that you can’t have armed police forces everywhere. He further stated that you have to ask if an armed citizenry more necessary now than it was in the past, with an evolving threat of terrorism?

 

Unfortunately, Interpol’s recommendations were too easy to for governments to ignore.

Terrorism experts expect that these type of attacks will certainly come to American soil. Al-Shabab boasts that “No amount of precaution or safety measures will be able to guarantee your safety, thwart another attack or prevent another bloodbath.”

The armed citizens of this nation disrespectfully disagree. We arm, we practice, we carry, and we resists our government’s efforts to disarm us in face of these, and many other evils.

Stay safe out there. It’s a dangerous world.

 

 

-Rob, you have some personal news you wanted to share.

Rob- I’m getting together with some friends at the NRA convention and I want you to join us.  I’m meeting with editor Katie Pavlich, author Brad Thor, commentator Dana Loesch, rocker Ted Nugent, John Lott, Mark Walters, Tom Gresham, Tim Schmidt, and Nikki Goeser. We’re having a stand up buffet and dessert. It is from 6:30 to 9pm Friday evening at the downtown Hilton next to the convention center. You can also shoot with these celebrities the next morning. There is a fee. Proceeds support Doctor John Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center. Check his website Crime Prevention Research Center. ORG for tickets.

 

Gun Quote of the week.  This was sent in by Ken from Arizona.  “I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.”  That was General Douglas Macarthur.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

 

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

Armed Citizen Saves a Woman Being Carjacked

From Smyrna, Georgia comes an event where an armed citizen saved a woman from death or serious injury. The man ran toward the fracas and fired a shot at a carjacker, likely saving the woman who was on the car’s hood. The shot hit the thief in the shoulder, stopping the car.

Our congratulation to the CCW holder, he acted to preserve a life. But, we have to question the sanity of the woman who jumped on the hood of her car.
Do you think our hero used a Glock?  (Smyrna is the headquarters of Glock USA.)

 

Woman Uses Firearm to Save her Brother
A woman used her firearm to save her brother during a home invasion at 3:40 AM in the mean streets of Detroit.

Awakened by the scuffle downstairs, the woman grabbed her gun. She fired several times, wounding one of the two attacking her brother.  Both assailants ran off. Several minutes later, a 21 year-old appeared at a local hospital, where he is now listed in critical condition. Predictably, the shootee did not mention any home invasion, but told police that someone shot him on Chandler Park and he called his cousin to take him to the hospital. Riiiiiight.

Neighbors interviewed about the incident said they would have done the same thing. They also encouraged every Detroit homeowner to get a concealed carry permit so they can have a gun with them not only in the house, but outside.

 

 

Never Bring A Box Cutter to a Gunfight
A Tennessee store owner is lucky to be alive after having his throat slashed with a box cutter. The owner of Discount Tobacco and Beer was assaulted by a man with a long criminal history as well as a razor. The unprovoked slashing attack barely missed the owner’s main artery. Desperately injured, he was still able to draw his permitted conceal carry firearm and shoot to stop his attacker.  The man was later found dead a short distance away by police.
The store owner is not expected to face any charges.

 

 

Never Bring A Brick to a Gunfight
In Harris County, Texas, a love triangle turned deadly for the jilted lover. The ex-boyfriend showed up at a woman’s house with a brick to threaten her and her new boyfriend. In that potentially deadly situation, the new boyfriend shot and killed the assailant.

Witnesses said the ex attempted to throw a brick at the boyfriend, prompting the shooting. It gets messy, as the new BFF may have been outside investigating a noise when the shot was fired. The police investigation is ongoing, but at this time it doesn’t appear that the new beau will be charged.

 

Never Bring A Replica to a Gunfight
A woman and her accomplice were foiled in their attempt to rob two men lured in by promises of a cheap Playstation. The two men met Natasha Brady, 22, but wisely declined her instructions to go behind the house. That’s when Brady’s accomplice appeared with a gun and demanded their possessions. However, one of the buyers was armed, and squared-off at the robber… who dropped his pistol and ran. The pistol was later found to be a replica. Likewise, the Playstation box contained only a brick. Brady was arrested for robbery and her feckless accomplice is still being sought.

Good on the men for exhibiting true gun-sense. In the future, however, they might want to patronize a store where getting robbed is only a figure of speech.

 

 

Don’t Torque-off the Old Guy (DTOG) III

Finally, in Oklahoma a seasoned citizen defends his wife and himself when three criminals invade their home. As his screaming wife was taken to a back room by a masked intruder holding a gun to her head, another intruder ordered Eddie Gilmore to get on the floor.

 

Bad move, bad guy.

 

“I got over between the couch and the coffee table and when I did I went down and put my arm on the coffee table to kind of hide myself and I pulled the drawer open because I had a gun in there.” Old Guy Gilmore came up shooting in every direction he could (his words), hitting two of the crims. The suspects fired back, but neither Eddie nor his wife were hurt. “They could’ve killed her and come right in here and killed me if I hadn’t had a gun.”

 

The suspects were picked up later, and it seems that they were simply bored and randomly looked for a home to rob. It can be a scary thing when criminals are bored. It’s good thing to be able to scare the criminals right back.

 

Dead-eye Eddie did notice some important things that didn’t happen: “I had some reloads in this one gun and they misfired…next time they won’t misfire.”

Rule Number 1 of a Long Life: Don’t Torque-off the Old Guy.

 

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email #1 from Ken in Phoenix.

 

Could you guys talk a bit about the Gun Show Loophole on one of your upcoming shows. From what I’ve read, there is indeed such a thing. But every 2A and firearms podcast I listen to, everyone is emphatic that there isn’t. Somehow, the two sides are reading (or interpreting) different things. It can’t be both at the same time, so, would you folks try to clear this up once and for all. Much appreciated.

Thanks.
Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

Comment- The gun show loophole is a pejorative term used by anti-rights advocates.  Every state and federal law that applies outside a gun show also applies inside a gun show.  Dealers are required to use background checks at a gunshow just as they do at their bricks-and-mortar store..  If the state does not require a background check for private party sales, then two individuals can meet at the gun show and conduct a private party sale.. usually outside the gun show.  You’ll often see someone carrying a rifle over their back with a flag sticking out of the barrel.. and the flag says “for sale”.  In contrast, some states require all firearms sales to be through a licensed dealer.

 

Some media propagandists claimed that most vendors at the gunshow were operating without federal and state firearms licenses and conducting unregistered sales.  That is technically true.. if you count the vendors selling drinks, food, T-shirts, toys, jewelry, knives, rifle scopes, gloves, books, cartridge magazines, ammunition, backpacks, gun bags and gun safes.  Most of the gun show isn’t about guns.

 

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about concealed carry on campus.  The anti-rights lobbyists lied about the bills in the state legislatures.  The propagandists phrased the question like this- Should the pimply-faced delinquent who went off to college and got stoned the first time he was away from home.. be given a gun to play with at school?  That isn’t what the law says. That isn’t what we see concealed carriers do.  The article is up at Clash Daily .com and at my blog; Slowfacts.wordpress.com.

 

John tell us about your blog?

 

I had a post up on Friday discussing the DC Attorney General’s decision to dismiss their appeal of the Palmer case. I noted that DC will dig in their heels on 2A rights much like the segregationists did in the 1950s and 60s South.

 

Rob- John, that approach has worked in California.  They will claim that demanding good cause is within the law.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.

Paul: until the next time…

Rob: stay safe..

Gary: be aware..

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 322 – David Yamane and John McGregor

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Episode 321- Dr. John Edeen and Jews Can Shoot

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded  Sunday March 29th , I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk about Lucky Gunner  winning a lawsuit

John: I’m John Richardson.  We interview Doris Montrose and Lucy Thomas of Jews Can Shoot.  We also have interviews with Dr. John Edeen and Rachel Malone.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty.  We report on gun confiscation in Arizona, and a wheelchair bound man who defended himself from three home invaders.. because he was armed.. so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 321 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- 20 new doctors and nurses had their first shots with us on Saturday.  We paired them up 1 on 1 with volunteer mentors.  One of my students had hands so small she could barely reach the trigger on a Ruger mk II .22.   Different guns for different people.  The volunteers came from the San Diego Chapter of Gun Owners of California.  Our monthly first shots events are fully booked for the next four months.  I interviewed Dr. John Edeen.  He was on Armed American Radio last week, and is Gun Talk with Tom Gresham today.

 

John – It is hard to believe that the NRA Annual meeting is just two weeks away. I’ve registered for the NRA’s Annual Law Seminar on Friday and am looking forward to hearing speakers including Mas Ayoob, Stephen Halbrook who has been been on the show, and Glenn Reynolds, the Instapundit. That is about it for firearms news for me. I’ve been busy with work this week with a 2-day trip to Baltimore. Given Maryland’s anti-self defense gun laws, it was just as well that I never left the hotel.

 

Paul- Rachel called in, but can’t join us today.

 

Helped my son move this morning. We have our office/studio back!

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Seg 2- News

 

Arizona Vet’s Firearms Confiscated

Imagine losing your Constitutional Rights by nothing more than the word of a feuding neighbor. Rick Bailey, a disabled veteran, is living this nightmare in Glendale, Arizona.

 

For several months Bailey has been involved in a landscaping dispute with his neighbor, Dustin Moss. Things came to a head when Bailey called police to report a strong odor of chemicals coming from his neighbor’s. The next day, Moss went before a judge and claimed that Bailey had threatened to shoot him – sometime in the past. Bailey vehemently denies the charge and there are no prior police complaints.

 

Despite these very shaky grounds, Judge Baxter issued a protective order. The judge also attached a separate injunction to confiscate all of Bailey’s firearms. The same day, the Glendale police department confiscated Bailey’s lifetime gun collection. Within the collection was a World War 2 era M1 Garand valued at $5,500, and a Winchester 1897 pump shotgun.

The laws that took Bailey’s guns away are the same type of “Gun Sense” laws that anti-rights groups are pushing nationwide. If this trend continues it could be truly dangerous to our rights. A Go Fund Me page has been set up to assist Mr. Bailey with the legal fees he’ll likely encounter attempting to recover his guns. We wish Mr. Bailey all the best.

(Here’s hoping (against hope) that the Glendale Police Department is taking adequate care of that Garand.)

Rabbi’s Demand: Let Jews Defend Themselves from Terrorism  

It’s hard to believe that 70 years after the Holocaust, European Jews are again facing a foe bent on their extermination. Islamic extremists (there, I said it) are conducting targeted attacks on Jewish communities across Europe.

However, things might be different this time.

Rabbi Menachem Margolin, head of the Rabbinical Centre of Europe and the European Jewish Association, is calling for Europe’s firearm policies be reformed to enable Jews to defend themselves against terrorists. Police forces have been largely unable to stop the specific attacks. Europe’s restrictive laws prevent the law-abiding from owning or carrying firearms for self-defense. Terrorists, who acquire guns on the black market, laugh at such laws. It all sounds too familiar.

America’s gun owners appaud the efforts of European Jews, indeed all Europeans, to arm themselves in face of the rising terror threats.

 

Never again.

Chicagoland’s First Concealed Carry Anniversary
A year ago, Illinois became the last state in the nation to permit concealed carry. In a year, 92,000 residents have received their CCW licenses. Despite all the editorial ink spilled on the street, blood did not flow in the Wild, Wild West of Chicago. In the year. there have only been a couple incidents involving legal gun owners that have created headlines. Most notably, a positive one, where a CCW holder shot and wounded a man firing into a crowd on Chicago’s Far South Side.

 

Elwood Police Chief Fred Hayes, who previously opposed the law, said he noticed suburbanites with concealed carry licenses seem to be less fearful of crime and more confident in community safety. Law-abiding citizens (are) adjusting their fear level by confidence and knowledge.” Hayes said he stopped opposing the concealed carry law when he realized that the past year has not resulted in the level of violence some anticipated. In his opinion, the past year is a good indicator that the current law works well in Illinois.

 

However, politicians spring eternal; a number of Chicagoland state legislators contend that a year may not be enough time to tell how effectively it works or whether it will require future changes. Other disagreements about the law’s nuances will likely take center stage, specifically around who should be denied a permit, whether businesses should continue to have to post a “no guns allowed” sign, or whether to expand or shorten the list of more than 25 types of establishments where guns are not yet allowed, such as schools and airports.
Hmm, seems concealed carry is working in Illinois; just like in the other 49 states.  Who would’ve thought?

Kansas May Adopt Constitutional Carry
Kansas may become the fifth state to embrace Constitutional Carry after the Legislature gave final approval Wednesday to a bill backed by the NRA. Governor Sam Brownback’s office did not say what he planned to do, but he has signed every major gun-rights measure sent to him since taking office in January 2011.

 

The Republican-dominated Kansas Legislature has strong gun-rights majorities in both chambers, and Senate Majority Leader Terry Bruce was the bill’s leading sponsor. The NRA joined the Kansas State Rifle Association in pushing for it, while the state chapter of the increasingly irrelevant Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence sought to block it.

Congratulations, Jayhawks!

Gun Debate Heats up in Senate Budget Battle
As the Senate debates the federal government’s 2016 budget, Republicans and gun advocates are pushing for a number of amendments that would expand concealed-carry laws and block the Obama administration from issuing what opponents call a “backdoor” ban on guns. “We expect more gun-related showdowns in the next 72 hours than in the next nine months combined,” the Gun Owners of America wrote in a message to supporters asking them to call their senators about these issues.

The recent attempt by the ATF to ban certain types of armor-piercing ammunition used in AR-15 rifles is still fresh in the minds of many Republican lawmakers. Senators James Inhofe and David Vitter are pushing an amendment that would prohibit the ATF from attempting to ban bullets that are primarily used by hunters and sportsmen. Inhofe is also offering other pro-gun amendments prohibiting the Obama administration from establishing a national firearms registry and barring the government from pressuring banks to close gun shops’ bank accounts. Senators Lamar Alexander and Steve Daines are offering an amendment that would stop the Fish and Wildlife Service from cracking down on antique guns containing ivory.

Please contact your Senators in support of these efforts.

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California Judge overturns three judge panel in the Peruta case

Judge Sidney Thomas was the dissenting opinion in the three judge panel hearing the case of Peruta versus Gore.  Ed Peruta asked for a concealed carry permit in San Diego California.  San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said Peruta did not have a good cause to be issued a permit.  The three judge panel sided with Ed Peruta.  Judge Thomas disagreed.  Late last year Judge Thomas became the chief judge of the ninth circuit.  He requested that the full circuit re-hear the case.  He ordered that the decision of the three judge panel be ignored.  He further decided that the California Attorney General, Kamal Harris could speak for Sheriff Gore.

 

Judge Thomas was appointed by President Clinton.  Thomas coordinates which of the judges on the 9th circuit will hear the case.  That means the fix is in, since you determine the judicial outcome by selecting which judges who will hear the case.  Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation said quote “We expected the Ninth Circuit to decide to hear our case en banc. I believe that this case will be finally ruled on by the Supreme Court.”

 

Since judge thomas’s ruling, the Orange county sheriff has stopped processing concealed carry permits.

 

John- The lawsuit was originally brought in San Diego County. To offer some perspective, both San Diego and Orange County have a larger population than 20 US states.  Yeah, Orange county is larger than Iowa.

 

Rob- And San Diego County is slightly smaller than Connecticut.

 

Paul- Only Orange county doesn’t get a senator, and 20 states do.

 

A short history of Concealed Carry   An article in the Idaho Statesman gives us a condensed history on concealed carry.  Notice how things have changed in the last 30 years.

The number of states with that denied all concealed carry shrank from 16 to 0, though some of those states still have a de facto-ban on civilians carrying firearms.

The number of states with a discretionary “may issue” policy shrank from 25 states down to 9 states.

States that have a “shall issue” policy rose from 8 to 36.

States allowing concealed carry without a permit rose from 1 to 5.

During the same time period, the rates of both total homicides and gun homicides have fallen by about half.

 

The Quebec minister of public security said the provincial government will create their own firearms registry for rifles.  The canadian supreme court ruled that the federal government can destroy their registry and is not required to give the data to the province of Quebec.  The provincial minister of security said quote “The premier has taken steps to put in place a Quebec gun registry with or without the federal gun registry data. There will be a Quebec registry.” close quote.  A federal court found their gun registry illegal.

 

Now Canadian advocates for armed self-defense will have to fight the Quebec government in court.

 

The Florida House Stands its ground

Some Florida cities asked for a law letting them outlaw shooting on private property.  Florida state Representative Darryl Rouson, a Democrat from Saint Petersburg, proposed such a bill.  The Florida House Criminal Justice Subcommittee killed the bill citing existing law that makes gun owners liable for any damage or injury they cause.  There is a difference between damage and a disgruntled neighbor who complains about hearing shooting next door.

 

Paul- It doesn’t matter if you are shooting for recreation, for training, or in self-defense; you are responsible for everything that happens until the bullet you fired comes to a stop.

 

DC told to join the United States

Florida senator Marco Rubio and Ohio representative Jim Jordan introduced legislation to revise the firearms laws in Washington DC.  The bills require “shall issue” of concealed-carry permits to residents and visitors who are not criminals.  DC residents would be able to purchase firearms in neighboring states.  The legislation allows private citizens, companies, and public agencies in the nation’s capital to determine whether they want to allow firearms to be carried on their property.  The bill also pre-empts DC re-regulation of firearms.  I’m sure the DC city council is shocked that mere citizens would want the freedom to protect themselves.

 

Paul- Oh, the horror.  How will those poor DC politicians run their municipal political campaigns without Bloomberg money?

 

New Jersey Mayor suggest firearms safety in public schools

Deborah Cope is mayor of Bass River Township, New Jersey.  She is president of the New Jersey Conference of Mayors.  She also owns and shoots handguns.  Mayor Cope asked for legislation reinstating firearms safety training in New Jersey elementary schools.  Quote “We talk about drugs, alcohol, sex, texting, bullying in schools.. but firearms safety got pushed off to the side, and we’re not talking about it with kids like we used to.” close quote.  Mayor Cope also wants to present her idea to reinstate gun-safety programs in schools during the New Jersey Conference of Mayors.  That conference is scheduled for late in April.

Operation Choke Point
In any regulated environment, there’s an obvious temptation for the bureaucrat to make things worse based on their feelings. Ever face a DMV employee that hates you? When that temptation to influence becomes a government mandate, fundamentally wrong things can happen.

 

The Obama administration’s Operation Choke Point seeks to restrain businesses they find objectionable. Using bank regulators, they choke off the objectionable’s access to loans, bank accounts, checks, credit card processing, and other necessary financial services. Payday loan firms, casinos, tobacco distributors, porn — and gun firms have all been targeted. These firms are all engaging in legal commerce – and are being punished because they are politically incorrect to this administration. The Obama administration has weaponized the regulatory process, a blatantly illegal abuse of regulatory power.

Operation Choke Point is a clandestine operation. Holder’s Department of Justice has denied Operation Choke Point’s existence — and has promised never do it again. However, many legal businesses have and are feeling the choking grip of this operation.

 

Mike Schuetz, owner of Hawkins Guns LLC, in Wisconsin, told Fox that he had audio recordings between himself and Heritage Credit Union. The recorded conversation revealed that Schuetz’s recently opened bank account had been closed because Heritage Credit does “not service businesses that deal in guns and ammunition.” Other small business owners like Schuetz are claiming their livelihoods have suffered under Operation Choke Point.

 

Congressional hearings over the DOJ’s Operation Choke Point were set to begin Tuesday. Schuetz hopes the hearings will put an end to the DOJ program and hold accountable those who put it in place. “It’s a sad day in America when this kind of things happens…” said Schuetz.

 

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Demanding Moms Choke on Kroger
During a March 25 appearance on CNBC’s Squawk Box, Kroger CFO Michael Schlotman said the retail food chain will not comply with the demands of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, especially as those demands touch on changing store policy to disarm open-carry customers in states where openly carrying a gun in Kroger is legal.

 

“(W)e follow local laws [and] we ask our customers to be respectful to the other people they are shopping with. And we really haven’t had any issues inside of our stores as a result of that.”

 

By the way, on December 8 Breitbart News reported that Kroger’s profits rose 21 percent after refusing to ban guns. Mess with us, will you?

 

A  judge defends online ammunition sales

Jessica Ghawi was one of the victims in the Aurora movie theater murders.  Jessica’s parents, Sandy and Lonnie Phillips, sued online ammunition sellers saying they did not screen the murderer from buying equipment and ammunition.  US District Judge Richard Matsch said no.  The companies are protected by the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.  The judge also ruled that the defendants, meaning online sporting goods companies like Lucky Gunner and Sportsman’s Guide,  are entitled to an award of reasonable attorney fees and costs.”  The Brady campaign paid to bring the lawsuit, so I wonder if it will be the parents money or bloomberg’s money that pays the legal bills.

 

Comment – John – I just received an order from Sportsman’s Guide that included ammo! I’m also a Lucky Gunner affiliate.

Dr. Lott says the FBI numbers were skewed before the election

Dr John Lott at the Crime Prevention Research Center, said the latest statistics from the FBI contain numbers that are misleading at best and deliberately fudged at worst.  Quoting Doctor Lott, “The FBI put out a clearly incorrect set of numbers on public shootings shortly before the November election last year.  I have been reading FBI reports for 30 years and I have never seen anything like this.” close quote.  The FBI took its numbers from news reports rather from more accurate law enforcement crime data.  A counter report by the CPRC shows that if the biases and errors were corrected, the Bureau’s data would show that the annual growth rate for homicides in mass shootings had been cut in half.

A Washington State school board learns its lesson

The Kiona-Benton School Board in Washington State voted Monday night to allow designated school administrators to carry guns on campus.  They would provide an extra level of security for students and staff.  School Superintendent Wade Haun said, “I think the big takeaways are the fact that our students will be better protected and our staff will be well-trained and we will continue to train other staff members as well in other ways to keep our kids safe.”  School officials will take training and the school district will cover the costs. The board had earlier approved paying for firearms training for school administrators.

 

Last year, school officials in Toppenish, near Yakima, Washington also approved arming staff on campus.  Critics say armed staff don’t belong at school, but those same critics ignore the fact that criminals continue to ignore “gun-free zone” signs.

 

Paul- They call the police because the police have guns.  Well.. duh.

Paul- That brings up this weeks Gun Quote- “The theory of the gun-free school zone is that mass murderers won’t bring guns if teachers and parents don’t bring theirs.”

 

John- That reminds me, the movie Safe Haven comes out on the Sportsman’s Channel on April 1st.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interviews segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Dr. David Yamane

Joining us today is Dr. David Yamane who is a sociologist at Wake Forest University. He is a California native and received his doctorate from the University of Wisconsin.  His most recent research has been into Gun Culture 2.0 and he has a blog by that same name.  David will be teaching a new class this fall at Wake Forest entitled “Sociology of Guns”. Today he’ll talk about his introduction to firearms and how this has led to his research into the gun culture. As an aside, he strings tennis rackets professionally and was named the “Stringer of the Year” for 2014 by Tennis Industry Magazine.

 

Were firearms a part of your growing up in California?  How were you introduced to firearms? How did this lead to your interest in studying the gun culture and especially gun culture 2.0?

How would you define Gun Culture 2.0?

Are there other scholars you respect?

Many approach the study of firearms from an advocacy perspective, either pro or con. Could you tell us how your approach is different?

Your research interest is in studying legal gun ownership and use (as opposed to the the focus on crime, deviance, and social problems that dominants the social scientific literature on guns). Could you talk about that a bit?

How have your colleagues reacted to your research interests in firearms.?

What do you think of the campus carry debate?

Will we see you in Phoenix at GRPC?

 

Rachel Malone

Dr. John Edeen

 

Jews can shoot-

Welcome back to the podcast, Doris Montrose.  Doris advocates armed self-defense to Jews in Los Angeles.  You’ve offered lectures, training, and group visits to gun stores and ranges.

Intro to firearms

intro to armed self-defense

how to test-drive, select, and buy a firearm for self-defense

advanced classes teaching us how to move and shoot.

You have one of your students with you.

Lucy Thomas-

Lucy, why did you seek training?

What training have you taken?

Where are you in your decision to own a firearm and learn armed self-defense?

How common is your experience among jews in the LA area?

What next?

Doris, What is next for Jews can shoot?

How do our listeners find out  more about Jews can shoot?

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Man in a Wheelchair Kills Two Home Invaders
A wheelchair bound man successfully defend his life after three men broke into his apartment in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Even though he is partially paralyzed and only has use of his hands, he was able to resist the three armed attackers with a firearm. Two of his attackers died at the scene, the third escaped with his life.

The resident’s mother said that her son did the right thing, he had to shoot the men. “I’m surprised my son made it out of there.”

Sadly, this is not the first time the man has faced armed intruders. In 2011, a group of home invaders shot him seven times while he was still in bed. That attack sentenced him to life in the chair.

A Close Shave in a Philly Barbershop
Talk about a close shave: if it wasn’t for a concealed carrier walking into a barbershop at just the right moment, several adults and children could have died.

 

Eight to ten people were in a Philadelphia barbershop when Warren Edwards refused to “chill out” and began shooting. A customer who had just walked into the shop pulled his legally carried concealed weapon and shot Edwards several times, at least once in the chest. Edwards died on route to the hospital.

 

“The person who responded was a legal gun permit carrier,” Philadelphia police department Cpt. Frank Llewellyn said, according to CBS Philly. “Could have been a lot worse if it wasn’t for this guy who responded and basically saved a lot of people in there,”

 

The concealed carrier turned himself in at a police precinct. It is unknown if he will face any charges, but it is believed that the shooting was a case of self-defense.

 

Once again it should be noted: when seconds count – the cops are only minutes away.

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy II
In another of our continuing “Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy” series, a seasoned citizen captures a Cobb County, Georgia bank robber.

 

The military veteran was in a Wells Fargo bank when he saw a holdup in progress. The unnamed CCW holder ran to his car where he retrieved his pistol. Feeling his oat fiber, he tackled the young punk and held him at gunpoint until the police arrived.

A passerby observed that “I immediately knew by the way the man was standing, his stance, he was in control of the situation.” A nearby resident applauded the old guy for taking charge of the situation. “It’s wonderful that someone is willing to take action and show the bad people out there, you can’t do this and we’re going to stand up for what’s ours.”

It must be noted that no matter how heroic, most self-defense instructors would not recommend that a CCW holder get involved in this type of a situation. There was no immediate threat to life, and things could have gone very bad very quickly. That being said, we certainly applaud this hero, and award him our Old Guy of the Week.

13 Year Old Fights Off a Larger, Stronger Predator

Although this self-defense situation doesn’t involve a firearm, it does show that We are the weapon – the gun is only one of many tools.

 

A 13 year-old Pontiac, Michigan girl was walking home Saturday night from Walgreens when she was attacked by a predator. “Some man yelled at me, he was like, ‘Hey,’” she said. “I turned around and I started speed-walking. And then he ran behind me and pulled me back into the bushes.” The girl said the man was strong; tightly grabbing her arms. “I was scared,” she told the news channel. “He just pulled me into the bushes and kept saying ‘come on.’ I was just fighting back because I was scared.”

 

“And then I kicked back at him and he loosened up.” She kicked back at him three times – in his groin.

 

We pause while the male listeners finish wincing.

 

Oakland County Undersheriff Michael McCabe said the girl did the exact right thing in that situation.“ Pretty good thinking on her part, she did the right thing,”he said. “She screamed and yelled and kicked. He went down and she ran away.”

 

Now, that’s Girl Power!

 

Not in my used car lot you don’t

A masked gunman walked into a used car dealership in Chattanooga, Tennessee.  The robber held the store employees at gunpoint and demanded cash.  What the robber got instead was a bullet in the chest from an armed employee.  EMTs transported the robber to a nearby hospital where he died.  Police have closed the investigation, but have not released the robbers name while they notify the next of kin.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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