Episode 379 – Peruta Decision Fallout

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Alan Gottlieb

4- Interview Segment 2: Gene Hoffman

5- Shayna Lopez Rivas

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

 

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, June 10th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Alan Gottlieb from the Second Amendment Foundation about recent court decisions saying there are no rights for civilians to be armed in public.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Gene Hoffman of the CalGuns Foundation about judges and California politics.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have Shayna Rivas with us again.  She talks about Campus Carry and Crazy colleges.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about someone that brought Nunchucks to a Gunfight .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 379 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Went to upstate New York last weekend and didn’t carry.  Carried at home, and at work, and dry practiced.  I have some training opportunities coming up the next two weeks.  I’m not sure if I’ll be with you next week, but I’m sure to miss the week after when I go to Ohio to train with Dr. John Edeen and Paul Carlson at Safety Solutions Academy.

 

John – I finally did something that I’ve been talking about doing for a long time – I bought a suppressor. It is the SilencerCo Omega 7.62 which allows me to use it on everything from my AR-15 through and including my FAL. A suppressor not only cuts down on the noise but it helps tame recoil. I’m sure the ATF is going to be overloaded with Form 4s from trusts as trusts will be required to submit fingerprints and pictures after July 13th. Given that, I probably won’t take possession until Christmas! Now if only the Hearing Protection Act is passed so I can get a $200 tax refund!

Rob- would your sheriff sign?

 

Rachel- shot and taught – music and guns

 

Gary – https://www.facebook.com/SourceFedNews/videos/1199514293432055/?pnref=story

Very interesting video: The history of Trump and politics https://youtu.be/ZJyIztXX3Bs

 

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

Paul- Liberal apologists said that no one wants to take our firearms.  Well this Democrat official said she does.  Democrat National Platform Committee member Bonnie Schaefer says she does not believe anyone should have a gun.  In a video released this week, Committee member Schaefer said gun control efforts have to go beyond keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people and criminals.  Quote “I really don’t personally think anyone should have a gun.”  Close quote.

Schaefer was appointed to the Democrat Nominating Committee after she donated large sums of money to Democrat candidates.  Money talks, and gun owners can hear it loud and clear. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/08/dnc-platform-member-nobody-gun/

 

John – How do you know a politician isn’t lying? Their lips aren’t moving!

 

John – There are a great number of new gun laws being passed in the California this legislative session.  The political actors read like a post office wanted poster.  Last year it was anti gun California state senator Leland Yee who was convicted on charges of bribery and gun running.  This year, President of the California Senate, Kevin De Leon is the author of at least four anti-rights bills that unfairly burden honest gun owners.  Senator De Leon is also named 47 times in a current FBI probe for official corruption and bribery.  http://patch.com/california/highlandpark-ca/senator-kevin-de-len-named-in-fbi-affidavit-alleging-corruption

 

Comment- Elected officials are exempt from these new gun laws. http://joeforamerica.com/2016/06/california-gun-laws-apply-not-california-royalty/

 

Comment- California seems more like New York all the time.

 

Rob- California legislatures routinely take the money from the firearms transfer fees and concealed carry fees, and then say they don’t have enough people to perform background checks in a reasonable time.  The are dishonest at best.

 

Rob- We continue to seen record gun sales month after month and the trend continued.  This May eclipsed the sales record set for May a year ago.  With almost 2 million background checks each month, this is the 13th month for record firearms sales.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/record-gun-sales-continue-may/

 

John – A thought I don’t want to think about but imagine what the rush would be like if Hillary was elected. It would make the post-Newtown surge look like small potatoes. Not just ARs and magazines but you’d have people fighting over Hi-Points.

 

Rob- If she is elected, the NICS background check server will go down.

Paul – I don’t think that it will take that long. I think it will happen the day after the november election

Gary –

 

Gary – This is a political year, and we hear wild charges leveled against firearms owners.  We’re told that the violence in Socialist controlled cities is the fault of honest gun owners and lax gun laws.  The failed city of Chicago suffered 69 shooting victims while New Orleans had 37 victims spread over 23 armed robberies over the Memorial day weekend.  It is odd that we don’t have these problems in nearby cities who elected conservative politicians.  We have to note that it isn’t NRA members shooting up Chicago and New Orleans. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/01/democrat-run-new-orleans-23-armed-robberies-2-murders-memorial-weekend/

 

John – The problem is always someone else’s fault if you’re the mayor of a failed city.

Rob- That was for memorial day weekend

 

Rachel- We have some good news from the State Supreme Court of New Hampshire.  The court unanimously invalidated a regulation preventing non-residents from qualifying for a New Hampshire carry license.  The regulation required that non residents already possess a carry permit in their home state. The regulation unfairly discriminated against residents of anti-rights states which make it impossible to obtain a permit.

 

The court said “ By requiring nonresidents to submit proof of their resident state licenses, the administrative rules effectively import into New Hampshire law requirements different from those set forth (by the state legislature.)”

https://anjrpc.site-ym.com/page/WINinNHNonResCarry

 

Rob- Lots of people travel to New Hampshire and want to carry in that state, yet can’t receive a concealed carry permit from their local judge or sheriff.

 

John – I know a Canadian or two who has applied for a non-res. NH permit. They might even be gun podcasters.

 

Paul- We know lots of anti-gun politicians who have bodyguards.  In a similar vein of hypocrisy, the director a recent anti-gun film broke several federal firearms laws in an effort to show how easy it is to get around firearms law.  While criticizing honest gun owners, the producer of the film “under the gun” sent subordinates to make illegal straw purchases and make illegal purchases across state lines. The producer said the guns , and now also the evidence, were destroyed by Arizona law enforcement.  That isn’t likely since Arizona law enforcement is required to put their surrendered or seized firearms up for auction.  Those guns might now become significant collectors items.. When the feds are done using them as evidence for the prosecution. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436400/katie-couric-gun-documentary-likely-violated-federal-law

 

Rob- I love the smell of irony in the morning, but I doubt the Obama Administration is going to prosecute any anti-rights journalist.  Obama’s department of justice ignored similar violations.

Gary –

John –

Paul – I think that that documentary is just about as much a documentary about guns as “This is Spinal Tap” is about rock music.

 

Gun Quote

Rachel- “Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.”  by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman and Shayna Rivas.

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3- Interview- Alan Gotlieb:

  1. Peruta
    1. 2AA doesn’t apply to civilians
    2. No right to bear arms in public
  2. JPFO
  3. GRPC- record reservations.
  4. Illinois Lawsuit about non-resident permits

 

4- Gene Hoffman-

9th ignored the constitution and our arguments.  They ignored the historical record and used overturned rulings in their arguments.

Rational basis labeled as strict scrutiny.

Open carry, but there is no open carry.  The court dodged the fundamental issue.

 

“..that the protection of the Second Amendment does not extend to the carrying of concealed firearms in public by members of the general public..”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/436408/peruta-loss-ninth-circuit-second-amendment-advocates

 

4A- Shayna Lopez Rivas–  Welcome back, Shayna.  You are a student at Florida State University- Tallahassee.  Last week you told me about a man who used to work for the college of social work.  This university employee threatened to use shoot his his co-workers.  This employee literally created a “hit list”.  Now this troubled man has been re-hired by FSU in a different college.  At the time the threats were made, the university police said they did not have any actionable charges.

 

FSU refuses to protect us and claims sovereign immunity after we’re victimized on campus…but then goes ahead and re-hires a disturbed man who threatened to kill university faculty and staff members?

 

“You don’t need a gun b/c we’ll protect you.  BUT, we will create a dangerous situation and if it goes bad, we’ll claim NO responsibility for it.”  This, my friends, is why we NEED campus carry.

 

I want this on record. If something happens to me while I’m at work, someone make this University bleed. Don’t settle, money is no matter, it’s the principle behind it all. The school wants to play games with my life, with our lives.  Let’s make sure they go to trial and make sure to expose this administration for what it is.

 

Rob- What does your local sheriff say?

 

5- DGUs

Rachel – Don’t Bring Nunchucks to a Gunfight

“I told him he’s an idiot. I pointed my gun at him. He kept making progress toward me, swinging his nunchucks and that’s when I shot him.” Those are the words of man who defended his wife from an attack by a violent ex-husband.

A couple were relaxing on their Indiana back patio after celebrating their tenth anniversary when a car pulled up. Her ex had blatantly violated a restraining order and a No-Trespassing sign. He got out swinging the deadly nunchucks. “My thoughts were, ‘He’s going to try and beat me up or kill me with these nunchucks, then go take it out on my wife’,” said the husband. However, the man stood firm in defense of his family. “I reached for my gun. He gets out of his car in a rage. You could see it in his eyes.”

 

As the ex ran toward him swinging the nunchucks, the husband opened fire.  The ex was hit six times and is now hospitalized in critical condition.  

The wife described the shooting as “bittersweet.” “I give all my love and appreciation to my husband. He did a phenomenal job and he’d do it again for his family. That’s the kind of man he is.Unfortunately it came to this. No, I do not wish death upon nobody. I don’t want him to pass away. But, he is in the situation he’s in because he put himself there.”

Police say because he was acting in self-defense the husband is not facing criminal charges at this time.

 

Paul –  Another win for POGO. If the man had not been carrying while at home after a celebration, the crazy ex could easily have inflicted severe injuries or worse on the couple.

John –

Gary –

Paul – buying limes in Britain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063954/Asda-tell-chef-You-buy-lime–classed-weapon.html

 

Rob- A pharmacy owner in Levittown, Pennsylvania was prepared.  He had a security camera system installed.  More important was that the store owner was alert and aware at 10 in the morning.  The pharmacist was processing paperwork on a quiet Friday when he saw a man wearing a halloween mask get out from the passenger side door of a minivan.  The driver remained in the car with the engine running.  The masked man also carried a shotgun.

 

The thief entered the store and turned toward the pharmacy counter.  The store owner shouted for the thief to stop.  The thief advanced and jumped over the pharmacy counter with his shotgun.  The pharmacist fired several shots and struck the armed robber.  The robber collapsed on the floor.  Police arrested the waiting accomplice.  There were no other customers or staff in the store at that time.

 

The robber had a bundle of zip ties in his pocket.  The robber was prepared.. And so was the store owner.  The store owner had worked previously for a major pharmacy chain in a bad neighborhood.  There he had to be unarmed due to company policy.  He was determined to be armed when he opened his own business.

 

Paul- That video system paid for itself. We had a story a few weeks ago about a dash cam that may have saved the day

Rob- This pharmacy owners had more time than most victims.  Even then, there was no time to get a gun from a safe.  He had seconds to respond with the tools on his body.  He wore a gun and saved his life.

 

Gary- California Marijuana Dispensary Robbers Shot

In a story that could only happen in California – well, also in Colorado, Oregon, etc., etc. – two men attempted to rob a Medical Marijuana Dispensary – and got a chronic dose of lead for their troubles.

 

Two masked men, wearing body armor and carrying what the proudly ignorant LA media described as “assault rifles” <kaff> tried their luck at a legal marijuana dispensary. According to the store owner, “They were there to kill us.” He’d seen them breaking down the store’s door on surveillance cameras. Forewarned, the owner was able to use a handgun to stop the attack, putting both men into the hospital in critical condition. The pair is not known to have fired any shots, and no one else was injured in the attack.

Video shows the owner walking around outside his business, directing the cleanup and the patching of the many windows with gunshot holes. A street littered with an armored vest, bloody clothing and used medical supplies was also shown. The owner, who could be described as a “hard dude”, was not arrested, and has not been charged with a crime, although the investigation is on-going.


Rachel- The video system again made a difference. Awareness is half the battle.

John – These businesses do so much cash business that they are the new targets just like the old targets of pawn shops and liquor stores.

Gary-

Rob- The video kept him out of jail because the police saw that it was clearly self-defense.

John- Death in a Sleepy Little Burg

Two young men unfortunately made the mistake of their lives when they allegedly invaded a home and then threatened the resident. Incidents of this type are a rarity in the sleepy little Springport Township in Jackson County, Michigan. Police say the two 18-year-olds were involved in a Breaking and Entering when some sort of altercation occurred with the resident outside the home. Both men were shot and killed and found lying close by in the yard. The investigation is continuing, awaiting the autopsy reports and results from the Michigan State Police Crime Lab.

 

The two were no strangers to the police. They had accumulated a host of charges in their few years, ranging from marijuana possession to weapons offenses. As could be expected, one of the teens was on probation after receiving a suspended sentence for larceny, the other was out after an arrest last month for the same offense. The two criminals may also be responsible for a rash of property crimes in the neighborhood. At this time, charges are not likely against the homeowner.  

Deadly crime can occur anywhere — even in “safe” locations.
Stay armed, stay vigilant, stay capable.  

Rob- Amen

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I noticed that several anti-rights California politicians were under investigation just as they were passing anti-gun bills.  I wrote an article called “Are All Anti Gun Politicians Corrupt  The answer is that too many of them are corrupt, and they’ve been caught.  I posted several articles this week at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland, and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

Paul

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

Since we’ve already discussed California, I will only point out that gun rights activists are punching back twice as hard against Gavin Newsom’s ammo background check initiative. I did a post like I do every year on D-Day. A child born on D-Day 1944 would now be 72 years old and hopefully retired. If it was a boy, he might have served in Vietnam as a young lieutenant. If it was a girl, she’d might have been my 3rd grade teacher. My father was a veteran of WW2 as were the fathers of many of my classmates. My point is that even though a lifetime has passed since D-Day we should never forget the awesome sacrifice of those 18, 19, and 20 year olds on that cold day in June 1944.

 

John-  That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman, and Shayna Lopez-Rivas for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 378 – Things get Weerd

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1- Open and Personal News Segment: 

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Weerd Beard

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, June 3rd , 2016.  I’m Paul Lathrop.

John: I’m John Richardson and we will be talking about Bloomberg and Hillary.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone about Bloomberg trying to buy a Referendum in Nevada.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a concealed carry holder helped stop a mass shooting in Houston. So climb aboard.

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 378 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

John – I did two important things today. I voted in a primary/election and Barb and I signed the paperwork that created our NFA trust this afternoon. It was a “canned” trust which I hope is OK. I wish our old friend John Pierce was licensed to practice law in NC so I could have gone to him. His cost is reasonable and he knows his stuff. It is a shame that we have to go to this trouble to buy a product that enhances our hearing safety, is not abused criminally, and is the same as a muffler for a car or lawn mower. I just hope Congress actually acts on the Hearing Protection Act of 2016 and removes suppressors from the NFA.

 

Rachel- Lots of music work, finishing up the semester by accompanying end-of-the-year studio recitals.

  • Politics: listened to the livestream of my county Republican Party executive committee.  Lessons:
    • Livestreaming is a game-changer. Use it.
    • Robert Morrow was duly elected, without election fraud, like it or not. (Most don’t.)
    • His election could be a positive thing – authority getting redistributed, more people more involved, the county in general paying more attention
  • Guns: taught a friend to shoot. She is the victim of a home invasion a few months ago and has determined to never again be defenseless. Ordered an Accuracy 1st level for my distance rifle. Because an indiscernible 3-degree cant at 1,000 yards throws a .308 175gr SMK off 24.7”.

 

Gary-

 

Paul-

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 

Everytown Endorses Hillary

 

I know our listeners will be shocked (shocked, I say!) to find out that Bloomberg’s minions at Everytown and Moms Demand Action just endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. According to the endorsement, they plan to support her in both the remaining primaries and the general election. The timing of this comes as Bernie Sanders may have taken a lead in the California primary which will be next week. Everytown spokesperson Erika Soto Lamb insisted that their endorsement was the organization and not Mr. Bloomberg’s.

 

Chris W. Cox, chairman of the NRA’s Political Victory Fund, said “gun control groups are endorsing Hillary Clinton because they believe that she will work to eliminate individual gun ownership in this country.”

“The Second Amendment is on the ballot this November. Hillary Clinton does not believe that law-abiding Americans have the right to use a firearm to protect themselves in their homes,” he said.

John – Hillary Clinton makes no bones about the fact that she is our enemy. I don’t love Donald Trump nor particularly like him. However, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I will take Donald Trump at his word that he will protect the Second Amendment.

Rachel- I see what you’re saying, John. And I certainly don’t want Hillary to be president. But I just will not vote for Trump. I don’t trust him, and I don’t want to give any support to the idea that it’s ok for the Republican party to nominate him.

Weer’d: All the antis are hitching their wagon to the Clinton Campaign simply because it’s ALL they have after Martin O’Malley dropped out of the race.

Paul

John I live in a purple state. I just don’t see that I have a choice.

Paul – Gary Johnson

Speaking of Bloomberg

Since we are speaking of Bloomberg, it has come out today that his gun control campaign in Nevada has just purchased every bit of available TV advertising in the Las Vegas market for both the months of September and October. This cuts out everyone who might want to publicize an opposing message.

Bloomberg and his minions, Nevadans for Background Checks, are pushing a referendum that would mandate universal background checks for any transfer of a firearm. It is important to point out that “transfer” in Bloomberg terms is not selling someone a firearm and transferring ownership. Rather, it is the physical transfer of a firearm. That means if you and a friend are at the range and he or she wants to try out your new pistol, legally they would have to go through a background check before you could hand it to them. And then for them to hand it back to you – your own firearm – you would have to go through a background check. The goal of this referendum is not to prevent criminals from getting firearms. The goal is to kill the gun culture so that in time the Second Amendment becomes meaningless.

Gary –

John – I think NSSF should make it known to every casino and hotel owner that the SHOT Show will never, ever be in Las Vegas again if this referendum passes. If any of our listeners will be visiting Vegas between now and November you need to tell every maid, every Blackjack dealer, every Uber or cab driver that you and your money won’t be coming back if it passes.

 

Paul – SHOT Show is the 4th or 5th largest trade show that Vegas has.

 

Rachel- I want us to steal a page from Bloomberg’s book. I want us to think BIG. I want us to go for that crazy long shot that everyone thinks is impossible. I want us to go as far or FARTHER in our direction than they go in their direction. Instead of just trying to put up a defense, take the offense, dream big, and make it happen.

 

Weer’d: These are also the people who always talk about how great the gun laws are in Australia and the UK….both places that got registration that was ONLY used for confiscation.

 

Murder-Suicide at UCLA

 

This Wednesday the UCLA campus went into full lockdown for many hours due to an “active shooter” on campus. The active shooter turns out to be a disgruntled former graduate student from India who killed his mechanical engineering dissertation advisor Prof. William Klug. The killer had accused the professor of stealing some computer code. After shooting the professor, the murderer then took his own life in a murder-suicide. A note left at the scene asked police to check on his cat in Minnesota. This note led police to search his home in Minnesota where they found a “kill list” and the murderer’s dead wife who had been shot two days earlier. Prof. Klug was on the kill list as was another UCLA professor who escaped harm.

 

It goes without saying that UCLA is a gun-free zone. Earlier this year, the California legislature passed a bill that prevented carry permit holders – that rarest of rare things in California – from carrying on campus. California also has very tough gun control laws including a 10-day waiting period. None of that prevented the killer from going on campus and killing his dissertation advisor. Of course that did not stop anti-gun legislators and celebrities from saying more needed to be done.

 

Gun Quotes

“If you teach your kids how to shoot, when to shoot, what to shoot, and where to shoot, freedom will easily be maintained.” – Erin Canales

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Weer’d Beard

 

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3- Interview 1-

Boberg

http://sqrpt.com/2016/06/03/sqrpt-2016-moar-hog/

http://www.weerdworld.com/

 

5- DGUs

Rachel – Concealed Carrier Battles Potential Mass-Murder In Houston
Insanity came suddenly to a suburban Houston area strip mall one Sunday morning. Without warning, a man started spraying rounds from an AR-15. Shots and screams pierced the morning; glass shattered and fell. A car crashed into a boat trailer, others raced away with blown-out windows and shot-up sheetmetal. A gas pump exploded into searing flames. Victims lay screaming where they fell. In that chaos, several citizens found the strength to challenge the madness; strangers helped the wounded to safety, a Boy Scout was prepared and saved a life while literally under the gun, and a licensed concealed carrier drew his weapon, and advanced on the madman.  

Bryon Wilson, 30, abandoned the safety of his neighborhood clothing store to fight back, running toward the madman while firing his carry weapon. Only, the murderer had a rifle, and Wilson had only a concealable pistol. The man connected with his return fire, and Wilson staggered away, heavily wounded. The murderer then returned to his evil task, finally dying under a hail of police bullets. However, Wilson did successfully distract the madman, taking him out of his carefully rehearsed fantasies, confusing and disorientating him, making him think, slowing him down; all of which granted precious seconds to those in danger. Many likely owe him their lives. As a result of the actions of Wilson, and all the other heroes, only one victim died, instead of the massive body count the madman obviously hoped for.

Wilson’s heroics came at a terrible personal cost; he was struck three times, falling with two broken legs and a shattered shoulder. Although surviving his ordeal, the family man faces years of hospitalization and rehabilitation. He may not be able to walk for two years. A friend wondered about “all the bills piling up, no way to work, no money coming in, medical bills…” The friend is setting up a GoFundMe account to help with this hero’s rehabilitation. We urge our listeners to say thank you to this Brother of the Gun, concealed carrier and sheepdog. And just maybe help him in his hour of need, as he helped all those strangers that Houston morning.

 

Gary – Talk about getting inside his OODA loop, making him think, reevaluate, hesitate? And how desirable it would have been to have another CCW carrier respond – or for one of the business owners to have a pistol, a shotgun, or…. another rifle.  

John – Something to worry about – Wilson was first identified as an accomplice – only later cleared as a Good Samaritan.  In these chaotic situations, Blue on Blue is a very real concern.

John – Would-Be Carjacker Shot in Downtown St. Louis
This one hits a little too close to home for our colleague CF: just outside the St Louis Cardinal’s stadium, two young men were shot in a carjacking. The truck owner received a grazing wound to the leg, the carjacker is in unstable and critical condition.  

This latest instance of downtown violence occurred when the 20-year-old carjacker walked up the street to a man waiting in his truck for his girlfriend to finish work at a popular eatery. The criminal pulled a gun and ordered the driver out of the truck.  The man complied, but drew his own gun as the thief entered the vehicle. Shots were exchanged, and the truck lurched down the street until it slammed into a tree.

The truck owner’s night continued to get worse as the carjacker’s accomplices roared up and shot at the victim. The well-armed victim was able to return fire and hit their vehicle. The same two drove their buddy to the hospital. One was arrested there, the other criminal, described a young woman, eluded the police in a foot pursuit. St Louis Police are continuing to investigate the crime.  

A few things stand out in this situation: The criminals were working as a team, with the confederates in an overwatch position, ready to take out a resisting victim. The crime was especially bold, coming just days after city officials had promised yet again to increase security downtown after a young mother was carjacked, killed, and her young child thrown from the car. That crime occurred about a block away from this carjacking. Finally comes the demonstrated need for a capable weapon; a limited capacity revolver or pistol would have made resistance to the second group less effective, perhaps at the cost of the victim’s life.  

Stay armed, stay aware, stay capable — it is an increasingly violent world.

Rachel- As dangerous as I know it is to sit in a parked car, I am still guilty of doing just that. This story is a reminder to do that as little as possible. And, when I need to sit and wait for someone, I resolve to be vigilant in watching my surroundings.

Paul
John –
Gary – Taking a Long Knife to A Gunfight

Two men took a machete to a home invasion. Unfortunately, (for them), they were also bringing a knife to a gunfight.

 

A Fayetteville, North Carolina homeowner confronted the pair of invaders and their machete. Fortunately, he was also armed, and armed with a better weapon. He shot the machete-wielder in the abdomen – and both criminals ran to escape in a tan vehicle.  

The uninjured homeowner called the police and provided descriptions of the suspects and their vehicle. Armed with that significant clue, the cops found the car in a Clinton hospital parking lot, and arrested both men.  The homeowner’s name and address were withheld for his safety.

 

Paul – Man Shot And Killed Within Neighbor’s House

A Indianapolis, Indiana couple will not face charges for killing their neighbor. The couple were startled awake to find their neighbor James Neal inside their home. There was a struggle for a shotgun, and the man and woman both fired several times at Neal. The home invader died at the scene.  

The deceased invader was said to suffer from seizures and could been disorientated when he entered the couple’s home. However, his actions make the foregoing speculations moot. Per the investigators, the couple shot James to defend their lives, each other, and the child in their home.

 

Rachel – Assault Threats of Death and Rape and Murder

Four violent, armed thugs invaded a woman’s home, demanded money and threatened to kidnap, rape and kill. They punctuated their threats with the gunfire that may have proved their undoing.

When the 39-year-old woman homeowner answered her door in the Georgian afternoon, the thugs burst in, put a gun to her head, and ordered her not to look up. When her teenage daughter entered the room, the mother looked at her, and a thug put a bullet near her head. “You think I’m [expletive] kidding?!” he yelled.

 

“They started making sexual remarks about raping her, it was terrible,” her mother told the news. “He hit her in the head with the gun and put it in her mouth and told her to stop crying or he was going to blow her head off.” At one point, the men threatened to take the teen with them and rape her.

 

As they left, one thug shot at the daughter, missing her face by mere inches. In their  rush to get away, the thugs encountered a neighbor who had heard all the gunshots and armed himself. One of the criminals shot at the neighbor and he shot back. He expended all 15 rounds in his magazine, hitting one gunman. The gang made good their escape, but they had to dump the wounded thief at a local hospital, where he was arrested. The others were arrested at the address associated with car license number provided by witnesses. The heroic neighbor was hit twice. Fortunately his wounds were not life-threatening.

Without the firearm, the gang could have been free to continue to rob, and perhaps indulge in rape and murder. But the brave neighbor  – and his firearm – helped end their spree.  

 

Paul – GET TRAINING

Rachel-

 

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Only one email this week.

 

All,

 

There is a statue in Austin, TX that I believe captures the heart of the reason for our 2nd amendment.  Rachel could give more detail, but the statue depicts Angelina Eberly warning the town that her government, led by Sam Houston, was attempting to overstep its bounds.  I saw this statue for the first time last October and fell in love with it.  For something that does not move, there is a lot of action depicted.

 

And as another salute to Texas history, there is the story of the Gonzales cannon (I got the shirt.).  That story is similar to the story of the Battle of Thermopylae.

 

I really enjoyed expanding my knowledge of the history of Texas during my visit.

 

And for Rachel, “Keep Austin weird!”.

 

Carl

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog No Lawyers -only guns and money

 

John- While I posted a few things, there is nothing that I’d consider “major” or that important to talk about. I’d just urge listeners to go to onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com on a regular basis to see what I’ve posted.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Weerd Beard for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rob, Susan, and Rachel,

 

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rachel: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 377 MAG 40 AAR and Interviews

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Craig DeLuz

4- Interview Segment 2: Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin 1

5 – Interview Segment 3 Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin 2

6 – Interview Segment 3 Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin

7- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, May 27, 2016.  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the NRA annual meeting.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Massad Ayoob

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a baptist minister saved a 9 year old girl from a kidnapper.. so climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 376 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob-  I carried most of the week, including the NRA convention.  Met a lot of old and new friends.. I also received a copy of Greg Hopkins’ book, “A Time to Kill”.  We had Greg on our show last episode as he talked about the christian commandments for self-defense. I was on Armed American Radio with Mark Walter.  I was also on Lock and Load Radio when John Edeen and I joined Bill Frady.

 

I made a mistake on my podcast and called one of the defenders an “old man”.  I didn’t think anything of it.  I think of myself as an old man, but one of my listeners e-mailed me and said I should have called him an “elderly man”.

 

I’ve been traveling a lot and I feel old.  Paul, I don’t know how you live away from home.

 

John – Like Rob, I attended the NRA  Annual Meeting. It was like old home day in the press room seeing all the bloggers and podcasters I’ve met over the year. I also got to meet Charlie Foxtrot and his wife Kris.  We spent a few days extra in Kentucky and Barb figured up we visited a total of 9 distilleries.  I think we learned a little something at each of them. Because it is not wise to consume alcohol and carry, I didn’t always carry while in KY.

 

I want to give a shout-out to listener Nathan Carrier who recognized me on the KY Expo Ctr floor. We read an email that Nathan sent seeking ideas on how to get his wife involved in shooting and he wanted to thank us for our help. He and I will probably get together to go shooting in NC.

 

Gary-

 

Paul- MAG 40 was a HUGE success! We are 90+ % sure that there will be another next year.  I would like to thank Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin for their generous time and attention that they gave everyone.

 

NRA annual meeting is in Atlanta, April 27-30, 2017

 

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NRA Convention-

There were 80 thousand NRA members inside the Kentucky Exposition Center.  Speakers included Ted Nugent, Rand Paul, and Donald Trump.

 

A conservative estimate puts 10 to 30 thousand armed individuals in one room .. at one time.  As the NRA advertisements say, that is “freedom’s safest place”.  

 

The Socialist news media said the NRA disarmed its members.  The news media did not tell you that the one room where presidential candidates spoke is controlled by the US secret service rather than the NRA.  It was the secret service who banned guns for that one event.  The Secret Service had people check in their umbrellas, knives, and e-cigarettes.

 

Comment- The civil rights organization Knife Rights provided lockers to store your pocket knives.  Thank you, Doug Ritter.

Gary- Rob and John, what did you think of the NRA meet-up?

 

Rob- The NRA annual members meeting is an 11 acre brain bank. I am so impressed by the people in the self-defense community. I met many of the people we’ve had on the polite society podcast.  There were about 40 paid demonstrators from Bloomberg’s front groups.  They were surrounded by Louisville police.

 

Paul- was that to protect us.. Or to protect them?

 

Rob- The demanding mommies were outnumbered 2000 to one.  I think it was to protect them.

 

John- Let me say a few things about the annual meeting. Miggy.  Unlike the SHOT Show which is held in a series of rooms, the NRA is in one big room. To quote Donald Trump, it was HUGE!  Once your feet got tired, and they will, then you could hear world experts talk about international terrorism, domestic politics, historical firearms, or self defense.  You simply could not see and hear everything in three days. You couldn’t even meet and visit with all your friends in three days.  Then there was the Bourbon Trail and the Urban Bourbon Trail and the Craft Bourbon Trail.

 

Rob- Let me comment on what I didn’t see.  A number of nationally known journalists and second amendment supporters were not there.  That is bizarre.  Both The Blaze, The Washington Times, and Ammoland have dedicated reporters who covered firearms issues .. and they were not there.

 

John- However, I did see Charles C. W. Cooke and Jim Geraghty of the National Review, Liz Shield from PJ Media, and even Major Garrett, Chief WH Correspondent for CBS News, in the media room.

 

NRA endorsed Donald Trump

The NRA annual convention isn’t really a political rally.  It is largely about guns and gear.  There is so much more to learn once your feet get tired.  

For instance, President Barack Obama said honest gun owners are violent freaks who put Americans in danger.  Doctor John Lott documented how President Obama lied about gun owners.

 

Rand Paul guns in every school-

 

Senator Rand Paul also spoke at the NRA convention.  He said, “Look, I’ve got children. I can’t imagine one of my kids being killed at school by a deranged killer. But, as a physician, I was trained to solve problems, to get beyond emotions and find answers,” Paul said. “I think one way to try to avoid these senseless killings would be to announce, once and for all time, that no school, no movie-theater, no supermarket in America will be left defenseless.”

 

Senator Rand Paul also corrected President Obama.  Senator Paul said we are clinging to our guns, our religion, AND our ammunition.

 

Senator Paul also said that gun rights are under assault from progressive politicians. Quote, “It’s as if the other side doesn’t even think there is a Second Amendment.”

 

The Second Amendment is vital to the Bill of Rights. “Our defense of the Second Amendment should always remind liberals that the right to bear arms is right next to the right to free speech, to the right to practice your religion and the right to freely associate with your friends and neighbors. We should never let them relegate the second amendment to any second tier or rights,” Paul said.

 

Senator Paul asked the NRA to also defend the First Amendment as well as the second. . “If we diminish one iota the right to free speech, we risk not having the voice to defend the right to bear arms,” Paul said.

 

In an after speech interview, Senator Paul said, “.. African-Americans need self-defense just as much as other people.  I would find it worse if we said to cities that are predominantly African-American: ‘You can’t buy guns.'”

 

During his speech, Candidate Donald Trump said Secretary Hillary Clinton acts as if she is above the law and immune from prosecution.  At the same time, Secretary Clinton thinks our children don’t deserve armed protectors.  If you were at the NRA convention, then you would have heard Colonel David Grossman explain why our children, our schools and our hospitals are in desperate need of armed protection.

 

Hillary said over and over that she wants to eliminate our right to keep and bear arms, but you could also hear the mainstream media lie for Clinton and say she didn’t say what we heard her say.

 

Donald Trump is Mister Let’s Make A Deal.  Trump spoke clearly and simply.  He said the second Amendment is NOT negotiable.

 

Donald Trump spoke at the NRA convention on Friday.  The NRA endorsed him that same day.  With an extremely diverse membership, the NRA wants to unite the United States in their support of Donald Trump.

 

John – There has been a lot of criticism of the NRA’s endorsement of Trump. I posted an article from Politico on my Facebook page and had literally 75 or more comments on it. My take is that the NRA is pragmatic and thought it better to be an early endorser who gets noticed than a late endorser that gets ignored.

Rob- A candidate who hates our right to bear arms vs a candidate for whom we have only mild support?  I’m an ABC voter.  Anyone but Clinton. Laura Carno posted an article that said you don’t get the candidate you want, you get the candidate the majority supported.

John – There is no perfect politician. If I wanted the perfect candidate it would be an amalgam of a number of the candidates like Rand Paul, Cruz, Trump, Carly, etc.

 

Yahoo’s infomercial hosted by Katie Couric and paid for by Bloomberg

Yahoo media’s newswoman, Katie Couric, starred in an anti-gun infomercial.  That isn’t surprising.  What is surprising is that Yahoo News claimed to be objective.  

We’re not surprised when a criminal lies on the witness stand.  We are surprised when the judge lies.  I guess times have changed and we should no longer be surprised when the news media sells us purchased propaganda as fact.

 

Couric’s producer severely edited the response from gun owners to distort their meaning and their reaction to Couric’s questions.  Also, the show recorded a four hour interview with crime expert Dr John Lott.  They didn’t use a minute of the interview because the data did not support their anti-gun bias.  Reporter David Workman tells us why Yahoo News went to such lengths to distort the record.   Workman examined the Bloomberg groups who funded the film.

 

They include Everytown for Gun Safety, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, Americans for Responsible Solutions, Sandy Hook Promise, the Violence Policy Center, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, States United Against Gun Violence, Purpose Over Pain, the San Antonio Area Foundation and the Seattle-based Alliance for Gun Responsibility.

 

Comment- The reported documentary was a Bloomberg infomercial.  Yahoo news is now a pay for play news outlet.

 

John – Couric has been widely criticized in the conservative press. More importantly, she was taken to task by the Washington Post and NPR. Once you’ve lost NPR….

John- It goes to show why it is so important to have your own recording of an interview when dealing with the mainstream media.

 

DC must issue permits.  DC AG ignores law.

The Washington, D.C. attorney general, Karl Racine, ordered the DC police to ignore an order from the US district court.  Judge Richard Leon had ordered the city to issue concealed carry permits without relying on the city’s “good reason,” justification, and to immediately update the forms to eliminate that question.

 

The city’s good reason justification is an excuse to reject an honest civilians request to get a permit.  The applicants are then only allowed to be armed inside their homes.  Open carry is outlawed.

As open-carry is completely prohibited, the inability to get a permit to conceal-carry means no one is allowed to bear arms outside his home without the permission of the D.C. government.

For instance, according to the D.C. government, living in a “high-crime area” is not considered a “good enough” reason to want to be able to defend yourself. This is hardly the strict scrutiny applied to the other enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights like the First Amendment.

 

Reporter Devin Watkins tried to register in person, and was rejected.  The Attorney General’s office said he could file a complaint online.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/27/d-c-circuit-temporarily-suspends-order-requiring-d-c-to-issue-concealed-carry-permits/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

Comment- contempt of court?

Comment- US Marshal’s service?

 

Gun Quotes

“America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

 

So the political motto should be “make america good again”

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Massad Ayoob and Craig DeLuz(

 

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3A- Massad Ayoob

 

3B- Massad Ayoob

 

4-Interview 2 with Craig DeLuz of the Firearms Policy Coalition

 

Action item: Call, email, fax California House and Assembly to Vote NO on the Gunpocalypse bills!

Contact Info and more on the bills:  www.Firearmspolicy.org

Main one to contact: Speaker Anthony Rendon

Message: Vote NO on the Gunpocalypse bills

 

Especially egregious bills: SB1332 and AB156 – sponsored by Assemblyman Kevin McCarty and Senator Kevin de Leon – ammo registration. Requires license to sell ammunition, application to be able to purchase ammo, creates record of ammo purchases, opens the door to tracking

 

Confiscation of standard-capacity magazines – any magazine that holds more than 10 rounds (SB and AB)

 

Several bills banning AR-15s or any semi-auto centerfire rifle that has a detachable magazine

 

All these have passed the Senate. Some could go straight to the governor, others will go to the Assembly.

 

Stop the Gunpocalypse bills now!

 

5- DGUs

 

Man of the Cloth and a Man of the Gun
It was a desperate, terrifying situation, a 9-year-old Tennessee girl was abducted by a madman, the girl’s uncle. Heeding the cries of the desperate family, a Baptist minister joined three others in the wilderness, part of a search that included hundreds more. The four searched for three days, riding their ATVs almost a hundred miles over rough terrain. Losing daylight, they decided to check just one more area in a remote valley… And there they found little Carlie Trent, clutching a teddy bear, miraculously alive! They also found the uncle, and because the Man of the Cloth had teamed with a Man of the Gun, the kidnapper was captured and held for the authorities.  

Carlie Trent was hospitalized as a precaution after her ordeal. Surrounded by celebrating searchers, her four saviors were were rightfully called heroes.  

 

For those saying that one cannot be a Christian and own a gun, they should look very hard at this situation…. Guns, in the hands of good people, do good — if not great — things.  

 

Rob- I’m bothered that some media said this was not a defensive gun use.  Yes, it was.  The firearm made a critical difference, and probably prevented violence.

John – This DGU made the news while we were in KY.

 

To Protect His Son, Texas Man Shoots Robber in Drive-Thru
Would you like lead with that?-

We’ve all heard gun owners make this excuse.  I’ll only carry a gun when I go some place dangerous. Is a few blocks from a police station a dangerous place?   Is a McDonalds drive through a dangerous place?  Is 2pm in the afternoon a dangerous time?  They were this time, and thank goodness this dad had a gun in Houston, Texas.

 

A 37 year old man was sitting in his truck and waiting in the fast food drive-through line.  His 4 year old son was strapped into the car seat behind him.  A stranger walked up and put a gun to the driver’s side window.  We don’t know if the robber wanted cash, or wanted the truck.  We do know that the two men fought while the driver was still inside the vehicle.  The driver presented his legally owned firearm and shot the robber three times.  The gun owner then stayed at the scene and called police. We know the gun owner also contacted his wife, and his attorney.   The gun owner’s wife came to pick up their child.  His lawyer said the criminal had two prior drug arrests.

 

Rob- So a person is walking by your car.  Does his bag hold a happy meal, or a 9mm?

 

Can  you drive away?

 

Paul – Normally a McDonalds is only dangerous to your taste buds… and your cholesterol level

 

John – Or waistline. Many of these drive-thrus are restricted places in terms of movement.

 

Can you draw while you’re sitting on your gun?

 

Sometimes, trouble that isn’t even your’s comes calling….

All these years of DGUs have taught us that you always have to be ready, for trouble can come anywhere and at any moment.

 

Trouble came crashing into the high-rise Houston office of a tax consultant one afternoon. A client at a mental health clinic had what was charitably called ‘a mental episode.’ Police said the man was “Yelling, making demands, kicking on the doors, kicked in the glass door, totally damaged”. Photos show the heavy glass doors shattered and twisted. The mostly female staff of the clinic retreated behind locked door, prompting the man to take his rage next door to the tax consulting office.

 

The patient allegedly lunged at the owner of the business. In fear of his life, the owner fired one shot, killing the violent intruder. The businessman is said to be a licensed concealed carrier. Police continue to review the video from the many security cameras within the building, but for now, there have been no charges filed.    

 

Elderly Man Uses Gun To Defend Wife and Himself, One Attacker Dead

A 71-year-old homeowner and his wife were startled awake by several men kicking in his front door down. Paul Morgan got the gun he keeps near his bed and went to the front door. He warned the  men to stop, but they continued.  In fear for his wife’s and his life, he opened fire through the door.

 

Police finally arrived and found one suspect lying dead on the sidewalk. The deceased was identified as Haciel Plancarte Vasquez, 36. Police said Morgan will not face charges in connection with the incident.

 

Morgan stated that he shot in order to protect himself and his wife: “I didn’t have no choice but to stop him cause I wasn’t going to let him come in here and hurt me. I couldn’t take that chance. You know anytime someone coming in your house at one o’clock at night — got nerve enough to try to break in your house — you know they probably have something going to kill me and her both. I couldn’t take that chance.” <unqoute>

Arm yourself – you can’t take that chance.  

John – Shooting thru the door isn’t encouraged. We don’t know if it was a heavy door or a glass.


Love Triangle – Road Rage – And a Gun
Finally, from blogger Miguel Gonzalez’s South Florida, comes a tale of a love triangle that hit reverse – several times. This incident proves that Miggy isn’t the craziest Florida Man, not by a longshot.   

Claudens R. Germain, 27, chose the 4 AM hour to visit his ex-girlfriend’s Port St. Lucie home uninvited. Pounding on her door, he woke up his ex – and her new boyfriend. After some time, Claudens apparently went away in frustration. The FNG (See what we did there?) left a bit later, driving off into the early morning. However, the unidentified man found himself pursued, cut off and forced to a stop on the street. Sure that he was being robbed, the paramour armed himself with his legally possessed handgun and left his car to confront the other driver. Of course, that driver was our old friend Claudens. The two exchanged words, spit, and a forearm to the head. Ol’ Claud returned the favor by gunning his car in reverse and ramming it into his rival’s vehicle several times. The victim fired his gun into the rear window of Claud’s car.

The shattering glass prompted Germain to jerk forward about 60 feet, but he stopped — and once again slammed the car into reverse, this time aiming for the victim. The victim’s car took most of the hit, but the victim was knocked to the ground and injured. As he fell, he put a single round into the driver’s side door. Ol’ Claud finally got that hollow-pointed message and drove away. However, his victim’s dash-cam had recorded the details of the assault and Germain was arrested at his home several hours later.    

Germain collected an impressive amount of charges in his predawn escapade; he was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without intent to kill, criminal mischief — property damage, hit and run with injury; and leaving the scene of a crash involving property damage. He remains in jail in lieu of a 27 thousand dollar bond.

The gun and the well placed shot likely convinced the crazed ex-boyfriend to end his attack, possibly saving the life of the new boyfriend. As we’ve noted before, a car is a terribly effective weapon. It took another effective weapon to end the threat.

Guys, any comments about the victim’s tactics – or lack of same?  

 

Paul

Rob- I’m glad the new boyfriend had a dash camera because it looks bad as you shoot into the back of a car.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Listener voice mail –

 

Email from Craig in Houston

 

Greetings from Texas!
Your show is a great source of information.  Thank you for all of the effort!

It seems the current political atmosphere, at the Federal level, is very threatening to our Second Amendment rights.  With Mr. Obama trying to build a legacy with his pen and his phone and Mrs. Clinton having been very clear about her desire for Australian gun control, I fear there could be severe consequences for everyone.  How dire do you believe the situation is?

All the best,
Craig in Houston
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Paul – congress is EVERYTHING!

Rob- Paul, you’re right.  We can replace the US government every two years.  Paul, you’re wrong.  The US supreme court is everything if Hillary can appoint 5 new justices.

John – Unlike Obama, Clinton has much more political skills esp. wJith Congress.

Gary –

John – Gary’s right. Remember Bill Clinton had a Republican congress after 1994.

 

John writes in about a few topics on previous episodes

 

Hi guys,
Wanted to comment regarding a couple of emails that you talked about last episode.

First, on Dean’s experience at his carbine class… As to how he should respond to such an experience, I would suggest that he go onto his favorite online forum and write an honest AAR about his experience. My training buddy and I have been doing the same for a few years now and it provides a good resource for other students to search out and is also valuable as a reference for us to look back on as we pursue new training goals.

I’m not trying to come to the defense of the unnamed instructor, but a couple of observations… Most carbine courses I’ve ever taken, it has been suggested to show up with a zeroed carbine. Now, to be sure, a few minutes of class will be devoted to a discussion of carbine zeroes as well as confirming zeroes with live fire, but how long is an instructor supposed to hold up the rest of the class for two students who may not have shown up prepared? In that instance, perhaps “good enough” was indeed good enough to move on to other coursework. Also, in every class I’ve taken (except for at the Sig Academy), policing of brass at the end of class has been standard and expected. As good ambassadors of the sport and training, it is incumbent on us to leave a range facility better than we found it.

Having said that, it sounds as if Dean really did have a horrible training experience. I wouldn’t train with that instructor… If Dean is looking for some really solid carbine fundamentals, I would suggest Kyle Defoor, Mike Pannone, or Paul Howe.

Second, in response to Jake’s inquiry about carrying while on a bicycle, I would suggest that he look at the Hill People Gear Kit Bag. I bought one when I was looking for a solution to carry while using a backpack with a waist belt, and the kit bag excels in a variety of scenarios. They make a runner’s version which may be more appropriate to his needs. I use mine for everything from backpacking to kayaking. As well, Contact Concealment makes the HPG Holster that is specifically designed to work with the kit bag.

Take care and keep up the good work!
John
John – Good idea to look for AAR and reviews of a class and instructor.

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Aaron wants to talk about POGO (pants on gun on)

 

I’ve been a listener to the podcast for over a year now, since the inimitable Anthony Colandro mentioned it on his podcast. Thanks for your hard work and diligence!

 

I sadly dwell within the People’s Republic of New Jersey. Though my wife and I are looking at property across the border in PA, the only place I can be armed is in my home. I currently have a AR-15 that I built for CQB in a safe under my bed, and around the house I often wear a Smith & Wesson Shield in 9mm with an IWB holster. The reason it’s “often” worn and not “always” is because I have a hard time building the habit of putting it on when I get home from work. I’m very much a morning-routine person, and an evening routine like this is difficulty for me to form when I get home from work and try to distract the kids while my wife is putting dinner on the table.

 

So, first, any tips on how to remedy this?

 

Rob-

John – Wear an empty holster

 

My second issue is that I typically change into sweats or gym shorts around the kids’ bed time. Are there any holster options for this mode of dress? Or do I simply need to man up and wear my regular pants until I hit the hay.

 

Rob-

Aaron

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And Charles wants to talk about Catholicism and the right to keep and bear arms.

 

Polite Society,

Enjoyed the discussion on self defense and being a Christian. One of the things that I as a Catholic have found myself doing time and again is being an apologetic for the faith and having to explain how the Pope can be Fallible and Infallible.

Pope Francis like anyone else is a man that from time to time can find himself walking off the reservation, as he did in Turin at a youth rally making the now infamous “you cannot own guns and be a Christian”. This of course is a bad interpretation of the speech which was in Italian, but I’ll come back to that later.

The only time Pope Francis is infallible is when he is talking on matters of “faith and morals”, this is important to distinguish because when he is making an ex-cathedra statement there is a strict formula to adhere to and an ass load of  Cardinals to ensure it is not contradictory to Cannon Law or dogma.

So when Pope Francis goes native in which in this case as an Argentine Socialist he can be, and has been fallible, or as some would say mistaken. Now Pope Francis is a smart man and he is very aware of the existence of Cathecism 2263 through 2267, and would never make a statement contrary to this cannon from his position of infallibility.

The Catholic Church have had some bad popes that have tarnished the Chair of Peter, some sought power, monetary and sexual gains. We have had A LOT of good and righteous Popes, where Pope Francis falls in this spectrum only God knows.

Catholics have anti-gun Cardindals, Bishops, Priest, and  Parishners and yes they have been running with this like no ones business. Father Flagler of Chicago to name one, and i said in my text we have a name for them, Kennedy Catholics. However there are many more pro-gun pro-second amendment Catholics.

So let me come back to the lost in translation statement that the media and many others took as a Catholic endorsement to gun control. When the Pope made his statement the original language was Italian.

And here is Lori Janeski on the blog “Catholic Geeks” to better explain.

“Se ti fidi solo degli uomini, hai perso! Imprenditori che si dicono cristiani e fabbricano armi: quello dà un po’ di sfiducia!

 

The important word here is the one that has been translated as “weapons” in the English versions of his statement: armi.  This is mostly accurate, but still deceptive, because it means “any weapon of violence,” and it doesn’t come across with the same meaning in English.  When we say “weapons” these days, we mean “guns” most of the time.  “Armi” also where we get the word “army,” of course.  If he meant “pistol,” as the lamestream media seems to interpret his statement, he would have said “pistola” or “fucile,” the latter including rifles.  The more common word he would have used would be “carabina,” which is where we get the word “carbine.”  It’s also why the Italian military/national police are called “Carabineri.”

Oh, by the way, “armi” includes swords.   So he’s condemned sword manufacturers, too.

So, if you look at the whole statement (which no one wants to do when they’re trying to make it sound like he said something he didn’t), you can see that when he says “weapons,” he probably means something very different from “guns.”

Lori Janeski goes on to write:

“Immediately after he says that about weapons, he says:

They say one thing and do another. Hypocrisy … But we see what happened during the last century: in 1914, or rather in 1915 precisely. There was the great tragedy in Armenia. Many people died. I do not know how many, but certainly more than a million. Where were the great powers of the time? They looked away. Why? Because they were interested in war: their war! And those who died, they were second class people, human beings. Then, in the 1930s and 1940s, the tragedy of the Shoah. The great powers had photographed the railway lines that carried the trains to the concentration camps, such as Auschwitz, to kill Jews, and also Christians, Roma, homosexuals, to kill them there. But tell me, why did they not bomb them? Interests! And soon after, almost at the same time, there were the lagers in Russia: Stalin … how many Christians suffered and were killed. The great powers divided Europe like a cake. Many years had to pass before reaching a certain ‘freedom’. There is the hypocrisy of speaking about peace and producing arms, and even selling weapons to this one, who is at war with that one, and to that one who is at war with this!

 

Oh, look at that.  He’s talking about arms dealers and genocide, not privately owned legal firearms.  The “great tragedy in Armenia” was a genocide attempt.  The “Shoah” is the Holocaust.  Stalin slaughtered how many Russians, again?

Francis isn’t talking about you or me owning a legal firearm for sports, hunting, or self-defense.  He’s talking about war and genocide.  Did he say that clearly?  No, but as we have seen before, this is a personal problem of his, where he says things off the cuff that come back to bite him in the butt, and make the media and paranoid Catholics everywhere lose their minds.

Given the combination of his use of the Italian word “armi” and the rest of his statement, I don’t think there’s anything for us legal gun owners to worry about.  The media, once again, has taken it out of its real context and perverted his already unclear meaning.  That’s Francis’ fault for not being clear, but that doesn’t make him the Antichrist.”

Lori Janeski said it better than I ever could. So, Paul and crew, I hope that I have changed some attitudes about the Catholic stance on self defense, yes there are anti-gun Catholics but no where near the level of the Amish.

Best Regards,

Charles from Kansas

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And Carl wants to talk about a Statue in Texas

 

All,

 

There is a statue in Austin, TX that I believe captures the heart of the reason for our 2nd amendment.  Rachel could give more detail, but the statue depicts Angelina Eberly warning the town that her government, led by Sam Houston, was attempting to overstep its bounds.  I saw this statue for the first time last October and fell in love with it.  For something that does not move, there is a lot of action depicted.

 

And as another salute to Texas history, there is the story of the Gonzales cannon (I got the shirt.).  That story is similar to the story of the Battle of Thermopylae.

 

I really enjoyed expanding my knowledge of the history of Texas during my visit.

 

And for Rachel, “Keep Austin weird!”.

 

Carl


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- John and I were part of a huge experiment last weekend.  We found out that guns DO NOT cause crime.  In fact, guns reduce crime.  John, I.. along with 20 thousand other responsibly armed civilians squeezed 160 man- years of concealed carry into three days at this year’s NRA annual meeting.  None of us was violent.  None of the guns on display attacked anyone.  If guns cause an epidemic of gun violence, then NRA members are the vaccine.

 

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland, and at my blog  slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog only guns and money

 

John- The official attendance was 80,452. That was second only to the 2013 Annual Meeting in Houston. Now to the blog. I have two posts up about the NRA’s endorsement of Trump and Trump’s position on the Second Amendment. I listened to Trump’s full speech and it was very strong on the Supreme Court, self-defense, carry laws, and gun-free zones. As to the NRA endorsement of Trump, I think in terms of practical pragmatic politics they didn’t have a choice. On one side you have Heartless Hillary and on the other is a guy who has come around to our position. They aren’t 100% sure what Trump will do but they know full well what Hillary will do. There has been criticism of the NRA’s endorsement but critics need to get over it and work to defeat Hillary.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests)

Massad Ayoob and Craig DeLuz for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Rob- I won’t be with you next weekend.

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 376 – Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Troy Clopton

4- Interview Segment 2: Greg Hopkins

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday May 5th 2016 (Still getting over my May the 4th hangover), I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and on tonight’s show we will talk with Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins about Guns and the Christian faith.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about promoting guns on college campus.. Without being arrested.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s A young man tried to rob a concealed carry holder with a bb gun.  You can guess how that ended..  so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 376 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I created a new website called Everyone for Gun Safety.  Some Washington Lawyers suggested I stop using my old wordpress site Everytown for gun safety.  And I’m reading three gun books.

 

John – Barb and I had a great weekend at the East TN Blogger Shoot. We met up on Friday night for dinner with Dennis giving us a tour of his holster workshop. Then on Saturday we spent all day at the range despite torrential rain later in the day. There was a lot of “here, try this pistol” or “may I try your .357 mag lever action” throughout the day. We had great food, great company, and a great time. Then yesterday I had coffee with Andy Langlois who runs the Scout Rifle Forum and is the maker of the Ching Sling.

 

Gary – Getting ready for MAG40

Paul/Susan Final week before MAG 40. Really getting rushed with preparations.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

There is room for liberty on campus.. Even in Texas.  Nicole Sanders and a fellow activist were recruiting students on the Brenham campus of Blinn College to join Young Americans for Liberty, a student organization Sanders was forming. The two held signs for an hour and a half outside of the student center. One sign read “LOL,” with the Obama presidential campaign logo replacing the “O,” and another sign stated, “Defend Gun Rights on Campus.”

After they were done recruiting, Sanders and her friend went into the student center, where they were approached by an administrator and three armed campus police officers. The administrator told them they needed “special permission” to collect sign-ups for their club and display their signs. The official then added, “I don’t know that you can get special permission” to advocate for gun rights, explaining that she was not against guns, but “on campus, I’m not so sure.” Sanders later requested clarification from a different administrator, who sent her copies of two college policies, one of which required that student organizations request permission a month in advance and gain approval from four administrators for any on- or off-campus expressive activity.

 

The contest about who is allowed to speak and carry signs ended with Blinn College paying 50 thousand dollars for damages and attorney fees.

 

Well done.. And let’s “Defend Gun Rights on Campus.”

John – Good for Nicole. Too bad Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal, a NRA A+ rated Republican, didn’t listen to her. He vetoed campus carry yesterday which had easily passed the GA Legislature.

 

Another record month of background checks

According to AWR Hawkins over at Breitbart April set the 12th record month in a row of background checks for retail gun sales.  Background checks performed in April was 2,145,865. That beats the previous April record of 1,742,946, which was set in 2014. This streak should continue, and if it looks like Hillary may actually win her bid for the White house expect to see it explode, and another round of gun and ammo shortages hit your local gun store.

 

Rob- 23 percent year to year is substantial growth.

 

Sheldon Silver gets a 12 year sentence

Former New York state assembly speaker and one of the authors of the New York SAFE act Sheldon Silver was sentenced to 12 years in prison this week for corruption. In addition to the prison term Sheldon was ordered to repay 5.2 million in ill gotten gains and pay a 1.75 million dollar fine. Sheldon must report to the prison by July 1st to start serving his sentence.

Paul

Rob- Convicted felon Sheldon Silver was a very strong supporter for Hillary Rodham Clinton

Gary – Unfortunately you are the only person saying it, we won’t see that in the press.

 

Obama going after gun rights through Social Security.

Katie Pavlich over at Townhall is reporting that the Obama administration is trying again to push through a requirement that all recipients of Social Security that get their benefits through a third party be submitted to the federal NICS system and have their 2nd amendment rights stripped. This is a trap that will possibly ensnare millions of Social Security recipients who may for convenience decide that they would like some help with their financial affairs. This is a move that we have reported on before, but it looks like the Obama administration is getting serious about moving forward on this quickly.

 

John – Adding another 4 million people to the NICS banned list makes me angrier than you can image. It is unconscionable to these people and to veterans who fought for this country.

Gary –

Rob- Some of them are ill or undergoing medical treatment.  If you ask someone to pay your bills while you’re undergoing chemo then you lose your right to own or be near a firearm.

 

Beating on the Chicago “EL”

A student was attacked on the CTA Blue Line in broad daylight – and she says other people on the train just watched as she was beaten. (WLS)

 

Chicago DePaul student Jessica Hughes was on her way home when she was attacked while sitting in a rail car near the Blue Line stop at Harrison and Kedzie. The attack happened around 10am on Thursday morning.

 

“If you were seeing someone else getting abused, wouldn’t you want to step in?” Hughes said.

 

Hughes said that perhaps more painful than the beating she took at the hands of two robbers while riding the “L”, is that fellow passengers who saw the attack, did nothing to stop it.

 

“I was yelling for help. There were two other guys on the train and they did nothing. They just watched as he beat me,”

 

Her 19 y.o. Attacker wanted her iPhone and started beating her when she would not let go. His female accomplice then punched her in the face before fleeing at the next stop without the iPhone.

 

Hughes suffered a broken nose but is recovering at home. She is not sure when or if she will take the train again given the attack.

 

Police said they are looking at surveillance video as they continue to search for the attackers. So far, no one is in custody.

 

Rob- People watched as this young woman was beaten in broad daylight .. in a gun free zone.

Gary –

John – Gary, Is pepper spray also banned?

 

Gun Quotes-  This one is from Michael Beard.  Michael said, “I would agree that clearly, no law is going to prevent criminals from getting handguns or any kind of weapons they want.. You can’t stop criminals from getting guns”  Michael Beard was the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins.

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4- Interview 1-Troy Clopton of god and guns podcast

 

5- Interview 2- Greg Hopkins about Guns and the Christian faith. He is the author of A Time to Kill: The Myth of Christian Pacifism

Rob- You sound certain.  Why is this contentious?

 

6- DGUs

 

We’ve got a number of self defense stories – unfortunately, with more than usual lessons to be learned.

 

Real vs. Fake Gun – Which One Wins?

A Millennial brought a BB gun to a gunfight — and whadayaknow — lost.   

The Boston area teen offered to sell a dirt bike to a 31-year-old man. They settled on a 700 buck price and agreed to meet in a quiet, family neighborhood to complete the deal.  However, the 15-year-old had something other than honest capitalism in mind; he packed a realistic looking BB gun.

When the teenager produced the gun, there was an immediate struggle for the weapon. During the fight, the victim was able to get to a pistol he had in his truck. He fired three times, striking the crook once. The ventilated criminal ran off, but collapsed nearby.  Police arrived to take the thuglet to the hospital, where his condition has not been released due to his age. He will eventually be charged with Armed Robbery While Masked. The investigation is continuing, but to date no charges have been filed against the victim, who is licensed to carry a gun. The victim wisely refused to discuss the shooting with local media. The area’s residents seemed generally supportive of the victim, despite the gunplay that shattered their neighborhood’s quiet.


When looking at this incident, we must again reiterate the dangers of these Craigslist type of sales. Please be hyper-aware and utilize police parking lots to make the transactions, if possible. And if licensed, it is nearly always better to carry on body, instead of nearby. Leaving the gun in the truck could have proved disastrous to the gentleman. For the Millennial, we hope he will learn something from this experience and straighten out… We can always hope.  

 

Paul – Play stupid games win stupid prizes – POGO

Rob- Consider the options.  The gun is usually real, not a bb bun.  Carry, because you don’t know when criminals will attack you.

 

80-Year-Old Stops Brutal Attack By 25-Year-Old

Talk about disparity of force: a 25-year-old intruder with a large knife was stabbing a 75-year-old man on the floor. Fortunately, his 80-year-old wife had an equalizer.

 

Investigating the late-night sounds of a door being kicked in, the woman found her husband on the floor, with a man with a large knife standing over him. She ran to a bedroom and got a gun and shot the attacker several times, saving her husband from additional wounds. He was airlifted to Seattle hospital with several abdominal stab punctures, but is expected to survive. His assailant did not.


Police determined that the criminal (excuse us: the person involved in the <quote> “Justice” <end quote> system) lived several miles away from the couple’s’ rural Snohomish County, Washington home. Police believe the perpetrator did not know the victims; this seems a random crime; perhaps the house was chosen for it’s remote location.   

 

We certainly commend the woman’s courage and skill. However, we will point out that several precious seconds could have been saved it the couple were wearing their firearms. We will continue to advocate for POGO: Pants On – Gun On, even if you are living your Golden Years in the beautiful Washington countryside. This is just one more instance where the possession of a firearm by law-abiding citizens prevented a tragedy that could well have included multiple murders.



Can you hear us now, Bloomberg?  

 

John – While the intruder may not have known his victims, I wonder if he went after them for drugs. Elderly people tend to be on more medications.

Pregnant Couple In Stand-Off With Armed Burglar
A young Tennessee couple faced a nightmare situation: a Mexican Stand-off with an armed intruder.


The couple returned home one evening and found several broken windows. They somehow decided to search their home with guns drawn. It was hardly surprising that they found a man in a closet, and that he had a gun. In a scene reminiscent of the classic The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly climax, the three faced each other over drawn guns. The couple recognized their 20-year-old neighbor and the woman’s pink handgun he was pointing at them. The criminal threatened the couple with death unless they disarmed, they refused and called 911. Making the best of an insane situation, the operator told the couple to stay on the phone and “keep your gun pointed. That way, if he shoots, you fire also.” <unquote>  Oy. <unquote>

 

When deputies arrived, they tried negotiating with the suspect still inside the house. The cornered criminal even called 911 to talk to the cops. “He counted down from 10. We heard “7”, then we heard a pop.” The suspect had taken his own life.

When analyzing this situation, there’s one very big DON’T DO! Never enter a building where a criminal is suspected of hiding. That’s for the police; they have the training, equipment and manpower to do that very dangerous task. Clearing a building can and does get people killed, even trained professionals. These two, and their unborn child, are VERY lucky they survived.

Stupidity kills. Even if Darwin happened to be looking the other way this time.  

 

Rob- Let’s look at what they did right.  They were carrying, and they did not lower their guard.

 

Boy Shoots a Home Invader, Who Cries Like a Baby

A Talladega, Alabama boy shot a home invader, making him cry like a widdle baby.  Chris Gaither, 11 was home alone when a burglar broke in. Scared, he grabbed a handgun and called for the burglar to leave the house. It seems the boy was surprised by the intruder coming down the stairs. The crook told the boy he was going kill him with all the usual colorful expletives.   

 

According to the news reports, the intruder made it to the front door before the boy started firing. The crook trundled across the yard and was about to jump a fence before the boy’s 12th and last round hit him in the leg.  “I shot through the hamper he was carrying,” Gaither said. “it was a full metal jacket bullet. It went straight through the back of his leg. He started crying like a little baby.” <unquote>

 

Police have not released the name of the suspect, nor his condition in the local hospital. Gaither’s mother believes the man has robbed their house before. The young marksman gives his stepdad all the credit for his shooting skills.

It goes without saying that we commend the bravery of the boy. However, we will once again reiterate that if the criminal is running away, the law in Tennessee and most states does not allow the victim to fire. Additionally, full metal jacketed bullets usually have no place in a self-defense firearm. Still, when this stout-hearted lad turns 18, we hope he gets his CCW, along with some additional training.

 

Paul – In SD the parent is liable (financially) for the actions of their children.

 

Rob- Good that he was armed.  Good that his parents exposed him to firearms and decided he was mature enough to use them.  Bad that he fired at a fleeing criminal.  The youngsters use of force may be justified since the criminal threatened him with death or great bodily harm.

 

John – I would make sure that the young man get some more training. If he only hit him with one out of 12 rounds, he needs more marksmanship training plus knowing when to not shoot.

 

CCW Intervenes in a Domestic Dispute Shooting — And is Killed
And finally, come a very harsh, very real aspect of our concealed carry life, one we feel our listeners need to take to heart.

T.J. Antell, 35, witnessed a domestic dispute turn to gunfire outside a Arlington, Texas Walgreen’s. Ricci Bradden, 22, shot his wife Quinisha once in the ankle and jumped in his truck to escape. Former Marine Antell ran to his own truck for his weapon and attempted to stop Bradden. The Army soldier got out of his truck, slapped down Antell’s firearm, and shot him in the head. The father of three died in the Walgreen’s parking lot in front of his wife, Crystal.  

 

“He went into protective mode. He’s a father, he’s protective by nature,” Antell’s pastor, Marc Lowrance, told reporters. “And he thought he could help everyone involved, and tragically it went a different way.” <unquote>

Tragic is a gross understatement. There’s nothing about a CCW license or training that guarantees a happy outcome. A very brave man put his life on the line attempting a citizen’s arrest of an armed and fleeing suspect. And unfortunately, he lost that bet, to the detriment of his family and to all of us that no longer have the company of such a fine man. One of the absolute rules of the armed citizen is that if you do not need to act to save life or limb, You. Should. Not. Act. Please honor the memory of T.J. Antell and keep that in mind. And maybe, spare a moment in prayer for this outstanding man and his family.  

Godspeed, T.J. Antell. Rest in Peace, Marine.  

 

Gary –

John –

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Hello again from the Steel City!

 

Wanted to share my thoughts on a class I took over the weekend here in Pittsburgh. My skills with a carbine are somewhat lacking so I decided to take a “Carbine 1”: course taught locally here in the area. Class was $350 bucks. This is a rather long winded email, so feel free to edit this to fit for time purposes or as needed.

 

Here is what I was told via their web site.

 

TOPICS COVERED WILL BE:

  • Firearms Safety Rules
  • Developing Proper Situational Awareness
  • Carbine Zeroing
  • 7 Fundamentals of Carbine Marksmanship
  • Carbine Reloads and Malfunction Clearing
  • Carbine to Pistol Transitions
  • Proper Use of Cover and Concealment
  • Threat Discrimination
  • Standard and Non-Standard Shooting Positions
  • Shooting While Moving
  • Night Shoot / Low Light Exercise

 

Well let me say the course was not what it was built up to be. I could give you a blow by blow of the course but I’ll just give you the lowlights here.

1) We were told to bring a minimum of 500 rounds. After day one, he out loud questioned if 500 hundred rounds would be enough, then when all was said and done, Ii personally only got to shoot about 350 rounds (we all shot the same amount so I am sure most had extra ammo at the end. Some even went to the gun store to buy more after day 1 based on his comments.

2) His demeanor ranged from wanting to be our buddies more than teach us to downright belittling one student who was struggling.

3) Some brought his stated minimum number of 3 AR magazines then were criticized for not having enough and slowing the class down.

4) Several things we were to cover were simply not done. Two people said they needed to zero their rifles, he took about 15 minutes to help them then just said “Well that is good enough, you can work with that” The “7 fundamentals of carbine marksmanship” were not covered except for him to name them out to us on the firing line. We did ZERO malfunction drills. ZERO. Cover and concealment were not covered. All shooting was done standing on the firing line for all shooting. No shooting and moving. No night shoot.

5) the last hour and a half were spent with him giving his list of AR’s and equipment he recommends. And when i say recommends, if your not using what he uses, it’s junk. Example. “All pistols other than the Glock series and the S&W M&P series are junk.” Student who owns a Sig 226. “What about Sig’s?” Instructor “Sig’s are over engineered junk”.  Another example “The only AR you should get should be made by one of 3 companies. Bravo Compnay, Lurue. Or Colt. Anything else is junk.” Now mind you, I am smart enough to see the errors in his statements, but most of the class was nodding their heads and literally taking notes. One person behind me spoke to his wife (also attending the class) about his need to trade in this existing AR for one that the instructor mentioned.  

6) The instructors Bravo Company AR repeatedly jammed during class. He blamed this on new magazines he was trying out. I gave him one of my milspec Brownell mags to use to complete a drill he was trying to show us, The gun jammed again. At this point he performed the mortar technique to attempt to clear it and broke his stock then went into a tirade about  it.

7) He gave a long and rambling history of the AR which included many errors including that the US military adopted the AR15 as the M16 in 1957. His history also skipped the M-14 going direct from the M1 Garand to the M16.

8) We also were told at the end of the class that we as students had to pick up all the brass and place them in several buckets he had. When I mumbled out loud that he was probably going to reload our brass for himself, he heard and said, “Oh i donate all this to a local boy scout troop, they take it to be recycled”. OK fine, whatever. I doubt it but a paying customer should not have to be down on his or her knees for 30-45 mins of my class time picking up brass.

The class was an extreme disappointment. the instructor kept moving different parts of the class around and generally didn’t seem to have a grasp of what he was trying to accomplish. mind you, this guy has been in business for years. His main goal seemed to be to stroke his own ego. And the sad part is, many of the students were gladly signing up for his “Carbine 2” class offered later this year.

 

So how does one respond when you go to a class that is clearly not what we expect? Should I just consider this water over the dam and drop it? How can we as the consumer protect ourselves from getting sucked in by a slick website or someone promising all the right things in their ad’s.

Dean

Rob- the best recommendations are from students who’ve had a wide range of training.

John – ask other instructors who you trust to recommend someone in your area.

 

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Last episode, you talked briefly with Grant Cunningham about carrying while on a motorcycle, and I have recently had a related topic come up – Bicycle carry.

 

I recently moved to a metropolitan area and landed an office job, and in an effort to keep a spare tire at bay, I’m going to take up bicycling for exercise.  Since I am in a large city, I would like to be able to carry while I’m on a bike, but my traditional IWB at 5:00 prints like a Deskjet when I’m bent over my bicycle, and clothing can ride up over it easily.  The fanny pack mentioned last episode sounds like a good idea, but does anyone else have experience with other carry methods that might work as well?  It needs to be resistant to clothing riding up over it, as well as the jostling you might expect if I take a bicycle over a curb or a busted-up sidewalk, and I would like to be able to wear reasonably light clothing while exercising.

 

Thanks,

Jake (from State Farm)

 

John – http://www.thewilderness.com/safepacker-concealment-holster/

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Hi folks,

I just wanted to add to the conversation from the last podcast about shooting from bed.  I gave this some thought in our house.  I realized that my position in bed could have me firing at my daughter who is in line with me, 2 drywall walls away.  I have seen lots of ballistic penetration videos where this arrangement could be a real problem.  Now, will I be able to consider this alignment given the sleep inertia that Paul discussed?

 

Thanks for the great podcast.

 

Doug

Savage, MN

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We got some text messages as well

 

A quick reporting regarding alien gear cloak tuck 3.0. Worn for 3 weeks, the metal insert began to cut the top where the leather and neoprene backing are stitched together. Relatively comfortable and had to change to metal clips as the plastic ones provided initially were not secure. Warranteed,but obviously would happen again so ordered a stealth gear. They are 45 day lead time, but I’ll send word once it’s tested etc.

TNJR (Tennessee Junior)

 

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Afternoon crew,

 

Since I don’t own an AR (yet) my wife says I can have one under two conditions.

  1. Get a gun safe
  2. She wants one too

God I’m blessed 😊

I don’t know anything about gun safes other than I don’t want a cheap one that anyone can break into and I don’t want to break the bank either. Any recommendations on which brands you all like, what to look for in a quality safe etc etc would be helpful.

 

P.S. I need to hurry up and get this before Killary gets in office next January.

 

Thank you

JP

 

CF: Worn an Alien Gear CloakTuck 3 almost daily for 6 months without a problem. Hmm. As for safes, I honestly believe Liberty Safes are the best value for the money: great safes and a greater company supporting them. (Full Disclosure: I’m the Liberty Safe Captain at the Gonne Shoppe. But, I’ve had a Liberty FatBoy Jr. in my basement before I started working there.)  

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Regarding Richard’s shot timer question from episode 374, tell him to check out the Shotmaxx

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From Jeff in Florida-

I heard you talking about using blue guns with students.  When I have a student point a blue gun at my right eye to check their sight alignment,  I make it very clear that this is an instructional exception.  In my opinion, and from my observation, the students then get it; better than they would have, the importance of muzzle awareness.

 

Rob- use a mirror.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I’m writing about the lives that gun owners saved in April.  Those articles will be up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog “only guns and money”

 

I have two blog posts of note that I’d like to highlight. The first was about Rev. Rob Schenk saying you can’t be pro-life and pro-gun. I disagree. The second was this morning and I confessed to being a liar. However, I lied when asked by my new internist’s medical office asst if there were any guns in the home. I said no because it was none of their business. Besides, I own firearms not guns so you could say that technically I didn’t lie.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

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Episode 375 – Interviews with Larry Piekarski and Grant Cunnigham

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest  Larry Piekarski

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Grant Cunningham

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday April 28th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk about a gun buy-back event in Chicago, and a gun sell-back in Arizona

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with  Larry Piekarski about using SIRT pistols in training

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we also welcome back Grant Cunningham for an interview tonight.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU segment we talk about a DGU gone very wrong   .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 375 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I recorded another episode of SDGS.  Bloomberg wants my website, Everytown for Gun Safety.wordpress.com.  If there are lawyers in the house I want them to call me.  I was on lock and load radio with Bill Frady.

 

John – Barb and I will be taking off on Friday afternoon for the East Tennessee Bloggershoot held in Oak Ridge, TN. I have been busy assembling what firearms I want to take. The event is being organized by Dennis Badurina of Dragon Leatherworks. You may have seen some of his work on the TV shows NCIS and NCIS New Orleans. It will be fun to catch up with bloggers who I haven’t seen since the NRA Annual Meeting in Nashville.

 

Rachel – I went to the range TWICE! The second time, all the pistol bays were occupied with a Steel Challenge match. They let me jump in and shoot a stage. I had enough fun that I intend to go back next week for the whole thing.

 

A note for anyone attending the Republican Party of Texas state convention in Dallas in May: Conventions are chaotic and confusing. There are a few ways you can make an impact instead of wandering aimlessly and having no idea what’s happening. (1) Attend about 4 cycles (over 8 years) and eventually pick up on how it works.  (2) Tag along with someone you trust and do what they do. You’ll still never really figure it out but hopefully if they voted right then you did too. (3) Get some training ahead of time and get things done the first time (or, this time). I recommend Jeremy Blosser’s FANTASTIC training. Video link: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/85953256

 

Gary –

Friend of the show, Miggy wrote a blog post this week about some Oklahoma instructors encouraging the legislators to pass a bill requiring more firearm training. As John Lott has said training requirements and expensive permits most affect the people that are most likely to need a firearm to protect themselves.

 

Rob- Choose your own training and trainers.

 

Paul/Susan – Paul – shot some to prepare for the MAG 40 , Had a court date and things went VERY well

http://gogetfunding.com/fellow-advocate-needs-your-help/

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 

Obama Continues To Press Pro-Criminal Initiatives   (Charlie’s Rant) (News/ Editorial)

During these endless months of Obama’s Long Goodbye, our boyish President seems unconcerned with the faltering economy, imploding Obamacare, Islamic terrorism, or an incoherent Foreign Policy, but is focused on fundamentally transforming the criminal’s place in American society.

 

Obama has long ranted about the number of minorities in prison, blaming a racist society instead of the perpetrators. He blamed the police for the imbalance, and through the DOJ’s regulations created the Ferguson Effect and Fetal Policing. Now, Loretta Lynch’s DOJ is requiring judges to throw away the law when dealing with minority criminals.

 

His administration is working to force the mainstreaming of felons, allowing them federal jobs, unfettered housing access and pushing toward restored rights, despite the very real risks of these criminals. He’s pardoned hundreds of violent drug dealers and reduce the sentences of hundreds of thousands more. It does appear that criminals are Obama’s latest prized and protected demographic – at an obvious cost to law-abiding Americans.  

 

In his latest Saturday Weekly Address, Obama continued to champion the felons. Delivered in his usual condescending tone, da Prez lectured the nation on the unfairness of criminal justice system and again pushed the need to radically reform American society. As is his wont, he threw out several unsupported claims, misrepresented statistics, all leavened by a smattering of  bald-faced lies. A prime example is his declaration that  “We know that simply locking people up doesn’t make communities safer.” We certainly do NOT know that. His statement is shown to be a lie by decades of experience with targeted enforcement, mandated sentencing, three-strikes laws, and . It was a tour-de-force of every misguided policy from this administration.  

 

     As in all of Obama policies, the question is “Why?” It’s easy to see the racialist motive: the Democrat minority coalition is showing some deep fractures, and the long solid black and Latino vote is showing signs of straying. More insidious are the efforts to radically remake American society by undermining as many institutions as possible. Regardless, these policies will likely remake America in the image of Chicago, New York, Baltimore, Philadelphia and San Francisco where Progressive policies have already resulted in a crime riddled environment.  And if Obama and Hillary can disarm the nation as they want, our country could be a very dangerous place indeed.  

Stay armed – stay vigilant – stay capable. Now more than ever.        

 

Rob- President Obama supports any demographic group who predominantly votes democratic.  That is the Chicago way.  The president doesn’t mind breaking the law to do so.

John – We have seen the start of this in Virginia with Gov. Terry McAuliffe just pardoned 200,000 felons and restored their rights including voting.

Paul

Gary –

 

What if we had a well publicized gun buy-back program in Chicago.. And the criminals ignored it.  You see, criminals don’t’ get their guns from honest gun owners.  People who don’t shoot are the ones who turn in old 22 rifles in exchange for gift cards.  I’m sorry to burst your anti-gun bubble, but criminal don’t use 22 caliber bolt action rifles to commit crimes..but the boy scouts use them to teach gun safety to beginning shooters.  Which group are you disarming with a gun-buy back?

 

Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said “Many of the people who would come to a gun buy-back event aren’t the ones causing problems.”  We call that a firm grasp of the obvious.

 

Rob- Political theater to promote politicians!

John –

 

Meanwhile, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio was selling the guns he collected from criminals.  He then used the $140,000 in gun sales to buy ammunition for his volunteer posse.  Well, he bought some radios as well as nearly 500 cases of ammo in 9mm, .45, and .223.  The guns were sold to gun stores and from there to private purchasers.

 

Rob- See, no 40 cal.

 

Colorado Democrats Kill Repeal of Large Cap Mag Ban

 

There was hope that Colorado’s large or standard capacity magazine ban would be repealed. The Colorado Senate had voted to repeal the ban in mid-April. The bill then was sent to the House State, Veterans, and Military Affairs Committee which would have to approve it before it could go to the whole House of Representatives. Late on Monday night, this committee killed the bill on a party line vote. The committee is headed by Su Ryden who is also the House Majority Whip.

 

John – Ryden is now running for the State Senate. I wonder how much money she’ll get from Bloomberg for her campaign.

 

Long time publisher of gun magazines Harris Publishing shutting down

 

If you are in the checkout line at a convenience store or grocery store, or are perusing magazines to take aboard the next flight, you have probably looked over or bought a Harris Publications magazine. Some of the titles they publish are Combat Handguns, Guns and Weapons, Survivors Edge and Tactical Weapons among many others. Today they announced that they are shutting down as of April 29th. This is an unfortunate sign of the times as publishers everywhere are competing with the likes of blogs, YouTube and Podcasts. It is unfortunate that a large name in the gun world is shutting the doors.

 

John – It’s sad and it’s not sad. Publications like Recoil which is aimed at a younger audience seem to be doing well. Likewise, more narrowly tailored publications like Handloader, Rifle, and American Handgunner seem on solid footing. This announcement merely shows that the market works.

 

DOJ To Post “Smart Gun” Request for Comment Tomorrow

 

The Department of Justice is seeking public comments on their test procedures to “to determine whether the addition of a smart gun technology does or does not significantly reduce the reliability of the firearm system compared to existing firearms.” It will be posted to the Federal Register on Friday, April 29th and comments will close 45 days later. They are calling this the Gun Safety Technology Challenge.

 

John – My suggestion is just to follow the Four Rules. In the meantime, I think it is time for our listeners, especially those that are engineers, to submit comments. Rob, that means you!

 

Rob- Marketers lie.  Start with legislative security details and school resource officers where THEIR children go to school.  Start with LEOs.

 

John –

 

Gun Quotes  The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. – Thomas Jefferson

 

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4- Interview 1 –  Larry Piekarski

SIRT Pistols – Firearms Training at Gunsense.  SIRT training.  iMarksman system.

 

Larry, we recently had a conversation about using SIRT pistols in conjunction with training and you told us that you have some experience with that. How have you been using them?  NRA basic pistol.

 

Rob- Do you let your students move with the SIRT pistol?

 

Rob- Lasers are good for distance shooting at night.

 

5- Interview 2 – Grant Cunningham

 

Motorcycles and guns-

You don’t have a third hand to use a firearm when you’re on the road.  There is a lot of keyboard heroes who give bad advice.

Bikes have an advantage in acceleration, deceleration, maneuverability and size.

Suburbia offers you an advantage because a bike can create distance.  Pull into a gas station.  Distance is your defense.

Consider cross draw when you’re riding.. Or a fanny pack.

 

6- DGUs

 

Store Owner Fires a McLatchy, Causing Armed Robbers To Flee

The owner of Bridgeport, Connecticut minimart found himself staring down the barrels of two robbers. He returned the favor, with interest – causing the two thugs to flee for their lives.

Two masked and hooded men walked into the store with their guns already drawn. As they stepped inside, one even cocked his weapon. Before words could be exchanged, the store owner reached for his gun and fired a warning shot into the ceiling, sending the bandits stumbling outside. “How am I gonna be scared because when you do a business you’re not supposed to be scared of anything. You make a living,” said the owner, Mohamed Yasir. A licensed firearm holder confronted the suspects outside the store and shots were exchanged. Apparently, none of the shots connected with anything but the store’s window.

 

Yasir has been there before, he’s been robbed 8 times in 25 years. The last time was just four weeks ago. “I know they came to rob me, they came to shoot me or whatever but always you for to protect yourself. I got family to feed,” Yasir said. The resolute storeholder had already shot two assailants in the past.

 

Bridgeport Police Captain Brian Fitzgerald said; “We would like our victims or store clerks to just cooperate and hand them the money. But in this case, you have people coming into your store and they’re armed, you have a means to defend yourself, you believe your life is in immediate threat then obviously you have a right to defend yourself.”


While we commend store owner Yasir for his bravery, a warning shot while under the gun cannot be recommended. In that deadly situation, the first shot should have been aimed to stop the attack. And the passerby who injected himself into a situation that was rapidly ending was also foolhardy. If you don’t absolutely need to fire to save your life YOU. DON’T. NEED. TO. FIRE. Yasir might also want to think about a safer location for his business. Someday, he might not be so lucky.

Foresight and training, people. Get some.  

 

Rob- The gun stays in the holster until it needs to work.


Paul

Rachel- Texas penal code chapter 9, use of force – “A threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor’s purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.”

 

Jilted Lover Breaks Into Woman’s Home – And Gets Shot

Last week, we told you about an ex-boyfriend’s obsession that led to a crime spree of home-invasions, kidnapping, arson, interstate flight, multiple assaults, and an attempted murder that was finally ended by a good samaritan with a gun. This week, we bring you a similar story; however, one where the gun was used at the beginning – to a much happier end.   

A jilted Columbia, South Carolina area man decided to visit his ex-girlfriend very early one Sunday morning. He didn’t ring the doorbell; he broke in through a window. However, the intruder found that his former paramour and future victim had an… “acquaintance” staying with her. And that man was armed.

In defense of their lives, the replacement shot the invader in the upper body. The attack stopped almost before it had begun. Police arrived to take the ex to the local hospital, where his condition has not been disclosed. Investigators are trying to determine if there was domestic abuse in the former couple’s past.

The new boyfriend is not expected to face anything but praise for stopping this assault in the name of love.  

 

Rob- We’ve heard stories like this before.  Move on.

 

Three on One Home Invasion – Criminal Gets the Slug
Three thugs have been charged with armed home invasion and attempted murder. The trio fired several shots within the home, but it was the homeowner that landed his response.  

Just outside Youngsville, Louisiana, three thugs tried an early morning home invasion. They surprised a sleeping homeowner who was awake enough to hit one of the criminals in the exchange of gunfire. The suspects escaped to a hospital, where they were arrested by police. The one suspect’s wound was minor enough, and all three were charged with attempted second-degree murder in addition to aggravated burglary.

It should be noted that the homeowner’s firearm allowed him to survive a surprise home invasion by three armed and prepared thugs, winning his life against fearsome odds. Without the firearm, the homeowner would have been at the non-existent mercy of the three criminals; a clear validation of the need to be armed.

You listening, Hillary?  

 

Rob- Would that work in California where a firearm has to be locked when not in use?

Gary –

John – A Clinton utopia? Is that a new name for Hell?

Paul – Sleep inertia

Rachel- yes

 

One Suspect Dead, One Wounded in Home Invasion
An 80-year-old man shot two robbers who had forced their way into his home.  One of them was taken to the hospital, the other to the morgue.

The elderly gentleman opened his Fairmont, West Virginia door to a distraught young  woman pleading to use his phone in an emergency. His chivalry was abused when two unseen, black-clad accomplices forced the open door and threatened the man with a pistol. In that desperate situation, the homeowner pulled his own gun and shot the two suspects. Police arrived to find one man lying in the road with a gunshot to the face and neck. He was pronounced dead at the scene. His partner was found across the street suffering from an abdominal wound. The 23-year-old female shill escaped but was later captured by the police. Their pistol was found to be a realistic airsoft or BB gun.  

John Grossklaus, 28, will survive his injury. He has been charged with robbery, with many other charges to follow. He has also been booked for an earlier strong arm robbery that put the victim is the hospital. That earlier assault, in partnership with the deceased, occurred a mere 30 minutes before the home invasion. Unsurprisingly, the burglar, Grossklaus, has also been charged with parole violations. Whitney Kabiru, 23, was charged with robbery and conspiracy.

 

In their press release, police stated the homeowner had reason to believe that his use of force was necessary to defend himself against a perceived imminent use of unlawful deadly force. No charges are expected for elderly man.

We can certainly learn a lot from this encounter. The firearm allowed an elderly man to stand against two younger, more powerful, more violent men. On body carry allowed an immediate, lifesaving response. Wearing the gun even late in the night at home (POGO) kept a bad situation from becoming even worse. And finally, DON’T allow anyone you don’t have reason to trust access to your home – especially after midnight. The elderly gentleman’s civility could have cost him his life – except for the equalizer of his firearm.

 

Paul – I want to reiterate the on body carry importance

 

A Bad Shoot Will Likely Cost a Homeowner and Benefit a Criminal

Most of our DGUs usually feature stories where the victim uses a gun correctly to defend lives. We would be remiss if we didn’t also include instances where a firearm was used incorrectly, in this case to the detriment of the victim and the benefit of the criminal.     

 

In Portland, Indiana, a criminal convicted of burglarizing a garage is suing the homeowner who shot him. David McLaughlin, 33, fired at the thief running from his garage. One of the bullets hit David Bailey, 31, in the left arm as he ran down the alley. A Jay County Superior Court jury found McLaughlin guilty of criminal recklessness in the shooting of the fleeing suspect. He was sentenced to 60 days in jail, with four months of home detention. The criminal Bailey was given a sentence of only three-years home detention with no jail time.

Now, Bailey is suing homeowner McLaughlin for “serious and permanent damage” to his arm, asking for “a monetary award in an amount sufficient to compensate for all damages.”

 

The use of a firearm is a very serious business. In most states, self-defense is the ONLY reason deadly force can be allowed. Defense of property is seldom a sufficient reason. As a rule, only an immediate, credible, realistic threat to life or limb can justify a shooting. And if the encounter has ended, and the suspect is trying to escape, the armed citizen cannot fire. Adequate training, like Massad Ayoob’s MAG 40, would have informed the man of what he could — and most importantly must not — do. That training could have saved an honest man a jail sentence and having to give his money to a crook.  

 

Paul – Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it

Rob- You can’t let your emotions drive your trigger finger.  Training will teach you when not to stop.  Advanced practice will reinforce that decision.

Rachel- I’ve been told Texas law allows greater use of force (including deadly force) to protect property than any other state (or most others). Still, know the law and know what is worth deadly force to you. (http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm, subsection D)

Gary –

John – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

 

Rob- insurance

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Jake wrote in about Ham Radios

 

You guys briefly mentioned the Baofeng handheld radio last episode in the context of emergency preparedness.  As someone who recently got into ham radio for prepping purposes and who got a Baofeng, I wanted to elaborate on what you guys were saying a bit.

 

With handheld radios in general and the Baofeng in particular, you need to understand the limits of your equipment.  You will not be using this rig to talk to China, or even the next town over.  Your effective range with this unit is perhaps 3-6 miles, or around 40-80 miles if you are on high ground or talking to a repeater that has good line of sight, though this is all extremely dependent on terrain.  Still, the frequencies it can listen to are in common use by police and rescue units, and radios like this are often used in disaster scenarios.  It also can listen to FM radio and NOAA weather stations, which are very useful for natural disasters.

 

Regarding licensing, there is a specific exemption in the FCC rules that allows anyone to use any radio equipment if it is the best way to save someone’s life or safety, regardless of licensing.  That said, much like the DGU you discussed last week, you don’t want your first time using your emergency equipment to be during a crisis.  The Baofeng can be difficult to operate and program, and takes a lot more expertise than your little walkie-talkies you used as a kid.  Without a license, it is impossible to verify if you programmed the radio right, so while you can certainly listen, you won’t know if anyone can hear you talk until it’s too late.  The technician license to operate the Baofeng is very easy to get, though, and costs less than $20, so if you plan on using one for emergencies, PLEASE get a license and learn how to use it.  This has the side benefit of putting you in contact with other operators who can help you learn and maybe give you some suggestions as to your next step.

 

Keep up the good work,

Jake from Iowa

 

John – I agree. Get the license. I did – KJ4HTR or Kilo Juliet 4 Hotel Tango Romeo in Ham-speak. Ham Clubs will train you how to use your radio and radios in general. The American Radio Relay League and their members want to help.

Gary –

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-  I was sick this week.  So I’d lay in bed for a few hours and then post on my blog.  I wrote about honest New Yorkers having to bribe police in order to get a gun.  I wrote about government officials in the United States and in France saying they citizens should be disarmed and wait for help if they are attacked.  Those articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog-  slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog, only guns and money

 

Sorry to hear that you were sick! I posted a story on Saturday morning about actor Brad Pitt co-hosting an event for the Brady Campaign. This is the same Brad Pitt who gave Angelina Jolie a $400,000 indoor shooting range for their French chateau. This plus some earlier statements gave the misimpression that Mr. Pitt was “good” on guns. Actually, he believes in gun for him and none for you peasants. I’d say this makes him a hypocrite. While I hate to toot my own horn, my post was published 2-3 days before Breitbart and other sites picked up the story.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Larry Piekarski and Grant Cunningham for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 374 – Bob Mayne Talks Training

Full Episode Download:  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/374.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment 1:

3- News Segment 2:

4- Interview Segment 1: Guest Bob Mayne

5- Interview Segment 2: Guest Bob Mayne

6- DGU Segment 1:

7 DGU Segment 2:

8- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday April 21st 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Instructor and Podcaster Bob Mayne about teaching self – defense.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a judge who allowed the Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue forward

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we find out that apparently you CAN get a CCW in New York City, if you pay the price..

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU segment we have another “Don’t torque off the old guy story! .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 374 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I did not carry all day every day.  I was traveling and I also had to take my wife to the hospital.  She is fine, but I had to leave my gun at home each time I was in the waiting room.  That left me thinking of the doctors I know who are disarmed at work every day.  I’m still reading the two books on the second amendment.. And carrying almost every day.  We put out another podcast this morning of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  The firearms instructor for this episode was Tony Simon. We had our 6 thousandth download.  Oh, and I was on the Lock and Load Radio program with Bill Frady  As you might expect, we talked about self-defense gun stories.

 

John – I’ve started reading Laura Carno’s new book How Government Ruins Everything and I like it. Having sent in my tax returns on Sunday night, it makes me grit my teeth thinking of all that money being wasted. On a happier note,  I will be attending a gathering of gun bloggers in East Tennessee the weekend after next organized by Dennis Badurina of Dragon Leatherworks. I’m trying to decide what to bring in the way of firearms. We will be spending Saturday at the range. I’m still trying to decide what to bring beyond an AR or two and a couple of revolvers. Any suggestions?

 

Rachel

  • Much less busy….only like 55 hours of work this week, 1 kid, no football.
  • Almost made it to the range. Well, drove into it, almost made it out of the car to shoot.
  • Considered buying ammo for this really cool course I have coming up in South Dakota
  • Met with an activist to coach her on getting stuff done at the RPT state convention. Realized that’s the kind of thing I live for: helping people find processes to use their skills to accomplish their goals to give their lives meaning. <3

(Bullet strikes again. 😉 )

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Instructors spend time at the range but don’t always get to shoot </3

Ben Branam shared this video on Facebook and what starts as an investigative stop of someone walking down the highway turns into a suicide by cop incident. While the article has many good points, there is one aspect not covered. As we all learned in our concealed carry or MAG40 classes, human nature is to want to explain what happened, but we need to shut up. As a fellow officer removes the officer involved in the shooting from the immediate scene 7:35 into the video the officer starts to explain what happened. The probably senior officer quickly tells him to stop talking, there will be time to talk about it later, as this is what officers are trained to do.

Rob- Would the officer been as accommodating to a civilian involved shooting?

 

Paul/Susan – Paul – My student tested out and got his own truck yesterday. I am really proud of this guy. He had some real challenges, but worked really hard while he was with me and did what it took. I have rarely had a student with such a great working attitude.

 

He had the truck driving equivalent of training scars. In a truck you NEVER press on the throttle while you let the clutch out. That’s a great way to ruin a heavy duty clutch in a hurry. Even from a dead stop fully loaded uphill the truck has enough torque at idle to start you rolling just by letting the clutch out. This guy had driven gas engine clutch transmissions all of his life, including racing mud trucks. A gas engine by and large doesn’t have enough torque to do that, so for all of his driving life he had been pressing the accelerator as he let out the clutch, thereby making the truck rock and jolt when he did it in the big truck. It took a LONG time but we were finally able to get that habit broken and a more positive one in place.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

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2- News 1

 

Judge allows suit against Sandy Hook gun maker to advance

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/04/14/not-good-connecticut-judge-rules-sandy-hook-families-lawsuit-against-remington-can-proceed-n2148700

 

A Connecticut judge ruled Thursday April 14th that a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the gun used in the Sandy Hook shootings, and other companies, can move forward.

A Connecticut Superior Court judge denied a motion to dismiss the lawsuit against the companies involved in the manufacturing, distribution and sale of the rifle used in the deadly 2012 shootings.

Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings on Dec. 14, 2012 to kill 26 people in less than five minutes. The families of the victims, which included 20 children, have sued the maker, distributor and seller of the rifle, arguing that the military-style gun should have never been available for civilians to purchase.

Connecticut State Judge Barbara Bellis rejected the gun companies’ argument that a 2005 federal law can protect gun businesses from civil lawsuits.

“We are thrilled that the gun companies’ motion to dismiss was denied. The families look forward to continuing their fight in court,” Josh Koskoff, the plaintiffs’ lead attorney, said in a statement.

Remington Arms Co., the manufacturer of the rifle, is named in the suit. Also named is Camfour Inc., a distributor of firearms, and the now-defunct Riverview Gun Sales, a dealer in East Windsor, Conn., that sold the rifle to Lanza’s mother in 2010.

Both sides of the case went back to court Tuesday April 19.

 

Gary – The trial trial begins on April 3, 2018 in two years with monthly meetings at the courthouse plus depositions and discovery; costing money, money and more money. Shortly after then we will hear the tragedy of the families that brought this suit having to pay the legal fees of Remington, although with this judge, she may ignore the law on that point as well.

 

John – I wouldn’t get too upset about it. All she said was that her court did have jurisdiction. The plaintiffs can still seek a motion to strike which would stop the suit in its tracks.

http://www.pagunblog.com/2016/04/14/connecticut-ruling-not-as-bad-as-first-feared/

 

Rob- A maryland court ruled that ARs are exotic.. Even though they are the most popular rifle sold.  This is a judge ruling that there are two classes of US citizens.  Government agents can have automatic rifles, and civilians can’t.

 

Paul – even if this judge rules and finds for the plaintiffs it is likely to be struck down on appeal

John – I’d point out the Maryland ct was a Federal ct and the CT court was at the state level. In the past, the US Atty would have moved to have the case to Federal court.

Rob- Well funded plaintiffs will target small business in order to set a precedent.

It is official: You can get away with SWATting in Ohio. from Miggy

A special prosecutor is refusing to charge Ronald Ritchie for the deceptive 911 call that he made that left two people dead in Beavercreek, Ohio in 2014. Put bluntly, Ritchie’s false claims SWATted John Crawford to death, and he’s going to get away with it. A special prosecutor declined to prosecute the 911 caller who reported a man waving a gun in a Beavercreek Wal-Mart before police fatally shot the shopper, who’d picked up an air rifle from a shelf.

Special Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier released the decision on Monday.

In his decision, Piepmeier stated that a Green County grand jury heard all of the evidence of the shooting on Aug. 5, 2014, including the actions of the caller, and had the authority to indict anyone they believed had criminal culpability in the shooting, including the caller. However, the grand jury did not bring charges.

Piepmeier also said, “The original call was basically, ‘I’m at the Beavercreek Walmart and there is a man walking about with a gun in the store.’” The remainder of his conversations was mostly answers in response to questions from a dispatcher.”

Piepmeier’s findings state that the charge of making false alarms requires that the defendant knew the information he was transmitting was false, but Piepmeier did not find any evidence that the caller knew any of the information was false.

Put bluntly, Piepmeier is full of crap.

Ritchie had to know he was exaggerating when he claimed that Crawford was loading the rifle, as the magazine on the BB gun was fixed, and molded into the frame.

Ritchie had to know he was exaggerating—I’d go so far as to opine that he was intentionally lying—when he claimed Crawford pointed the BB gun at people. It simply did not happen in the store’s security camera footage, which was synched to Ritchie’s 911 call.

Thanks to Ritchie’s deceptive call, officers thought they were responding to a real threat instead of a guy holding a product that the store sold who was benignly talking on the phone. As a result, Beavercreek police officer Sean Williams shot Crawford to death while Crawford was on the phone. Security camera footage suggests that Crawford never even knew anyone was there until Williams’ slammed two bullets through his body. A woman named Angela Williams was in the store and panicked when she heard the officer’s gunfire and attempted to flee the store with her children.

Williams had a heart attack and died, another death we can attribute to Ritchie’s deceptive call.

Vile, rabid gun control groups like the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence actively advocate the practice of SWATting gun owners. By refusing to prosecute Ritchie, Special Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier is effectively “green-lighting” SWATting in Ohio.

When the next innocent person is SWATted to death in Ohio, hold the gutless Piepmeier accountable.

 

John – Not that I like race baiters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton but why weren’t they involved in this case. A black man was SWATted by a anti-gun white guy. Oh, wait. They favor gun control. Never mind.

Rob- We know the police have no duty to protect.  Do police have any duty not to shoot the innocent?

Gary –

John – I just hope Crawford’s family sues the pants off of the SWATter.

 

Rejoin-

The French interior minister spoke this week.  He said that the ministry had learned important lessons from the violent muslim attacks on Paris and on Brussels.  The minister guaranteed that police and military anti-terrorism units would now respond to any militant attack in under 20 minutes.

 

Excuse me?  20 minutes?  20 minutes is a very long time.  Twenty minutes is long enough for any terrorist organization to take control of any concert venue, any soccer stadium or any major hotel.  They could have killed hundreds of people in 20 minutes.  They could have planted bombs and prepared hardened position in 20 minutes.  It sound to us that the interior minister didn’t learn his lesson at all.

 

Comments- The french make such sweet promises, and don’t keep them.

Rob- the lesson for the french people is that their government finds them expendable.

Gary – an armed citizenry are the distributed defense that is always at the scene of the crime.

Rachel – The french could invite a US pizza chain to also deliver guns.  That way they would arrive in less than 10 minutes.

Rob- Amazon can deliver guns by drones to disarmed French citizens.

 

The Obama Administration’s gun running operation called “Fast and Furious is back in the news. After years of delay, Judge Amy Berman ordered the Department of Justice to produce documents for Congress. The DOJ finally produced 20,000 pages this month.  These documents show the corruption we’d always suspected.

 

Here is a recap before we describe the recent revelations.  The Obama administration used the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the State department to run 2000 guns to Mexican drug gangs.  Those guns killed hundreds of Mexican citizens and several US border guards.

 

Obama refused to release documents when the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform tried to investigate.  Recent documents show the extraordinary lengths to which senior Department officials went to keep information from Congress. Further, the documents reveal how senior Justice Department officials—including Attorney General Eric Holder—intensely followed and managed an effort to carefully limit and obstruct the information produced to Congress.

 

Attorney General Eric Holder and his subordinates:

  1. Repeatedly claimed the charges of gunwalking in Arizona were false and refused to adjust the official position even after documents and evidence showed otherwise.
  2. The Obama administration politicized decisions about how and whether to comply with the congressional investigation.
  3. The US department of justice methodically devised strategies to redact or otherwise withhold relevant information about the scandal from Congress and the public.
  4. The DOJ tried to isolate the fallout from the Fast and Furious scandal to ATF leadership and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona.. Even though the senior officials knew about the operation.
  5. The Obama administration called itself the most transparent administration in history, yet it created a toxic culture of animosity towards congressional oversight.

 

Gary – We know of a border agent killed because the gun was left at the scene, how many more where the criminal took the gun with him.

 

John – I’d like to recognize the role that bloggers David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh played in forcing F&F into the open. Mike, by the way, is in his last days. His docs have given him 4 week or less to live. Please keep him and his family in your prayers.

 

Rob- Socialists in Congress and the media repeatedly told us that this was partisan Republican muck-raking.  It wasn’t.  Evidence shows that whistleblowers were right.

 

It isn’t what you know that counts in New York City.  It is who you know, and how much you pay them, that counts.  Our regular listeners know it is hard to get a permit to own a gun in New York City.  It is impossible for ordinary people in the city to get a license to carry a firearm in public.  That rule has exceptions for people who are large political donors and for celebrities, but many of these people rent their own armed security details anyway.  Lesser human beings like us have to pay off the police.

 

In this recent case, they paid an orthodox Jew who helped other orthodox jews and other business owners get firearms and concealed carry permits.  What they wanted was what we all want, and what most of us in the rest of the United States already have.  They wanted the right to keep and bear arms to protect themselves, their family, and their colleagues.  In most states that takes a permit application and a couple of dollars.   In New York city, it takes a couple months and a pocket full of money for bribes.

 

Both the middleman and the corrupt police officers were charged.

 

Rob – New York has a may issue permit scheme.  That means it is up to the discretion of the law enforcement officers if they will, or will not, issue a permit.  That scheme was  used New York City to deny guns to minorities.  Now it is used for bribes.  The may-issue system works for the police.  It works for politicians, and for those with wealth and power.  I have to ask, is bribery a fault in the system, or was it there all along, for years and years, exactly by design?

 

Gary – You and I don’t want corruption, or should I say, more corruption, in the New York City Police Department.  It isn’t clear that anyone with a permit committed any criminal act other than having to ransom their rights back from the city.  Who is guilty here, the person who took their rights, or the citizen who bought them back?

 

Paul- I have a prediction.  The citizens will be charged and convicted.  The police officers will keep their jobs. And the judges will look the other way and continue the May-Issue permit system.  That is how prohibition works.

 

If you think that our universities are full of anti-gun professors, you would be right. The Chronicle of Higher Education is like the Wall Street Journal for universities. In an article listed under “Advice”, a professor from an unnamed western college using the pseudonym Myrtle Lynn Payne admits she is conflicted about writing a letter of recommendation for teacher credentials for Sarah. You see, Sarah has shot an AK-47 and (gasp) liked it. Moreover, she plans to get her concealed carry permit. While Payne had promised Sarah the letter, now she is unsure because she doesn’t know if she is a gun right advocate or if she is in touch with her emotions. So she is asking her colleagues what to do. What should we tell Myrtle?

 

John – I have a solution for Myrtle – resign! She is at that college to educate students and not to indoctrinate them. BTW where did she get the name Myrtle? It was my aunt’s name and no girl born in the last 50 years has been named Myrtle.

 

Rob- I agree with John.  The professor is intolerant of a diverse student body.  The professor can’t control her bigotry and she should resign or be forced to leave the faculty.

 

Rachel- I could write a book about all the problems that led to this issue. Instead I’d just like to say, it’s sad that shooting a firearm and enjoying it is such a shocking and strange thing in someone’s mind.

Rob- You write it, Rachel.  John and I will post your rant on our blogs.

 

It’s not just the professors that are anti-rights on the nation’s campuses

 

Back on April 13th some students at the University of South Alabama were holding a protest. Nothing new here right? Well this was an empty holster protest to bring to light the fact that students were defenseless while on campus. One of the students, D.J. Patten, the president of the local chapter of Students for Concealed Carry, was interviewed by campus policeman David Turrpa. Turrpa told the student that since he had been a student there since 2014 he knew that there were rules prohibiting weapons of any kind on the campus, then despite the fact that there are no rules saying that holsters are not allowed on campus he proceeded to cite Patten for violating the student code of conduct by engaging in activities that threaten the safety of the campus community.

 

Two days later, after the video of the incident surfaced on YouTube, the chief of campus police called Mr. Patten to tell him that the citation should never have been written and that it was withdrawn. An internal investigation into the matter is being conducted by the campus police and officer Turrpa has been suspended without pay for 5 days.

 

Paul – please check our show notes and look at the YouTube video. The attitudes shown by the campus police are horrific. I was expecting them to draw down on the 2 students at any second at the beginning of the video. Both of these officers need much more than a 5 day suspension they need to have their next job entail the words “would you like fries with that?”

 

Rob- One of the shows recent guests has recently been elected as chapter president for Students for Concealed Carry in Florida.  Congratulations to Shayna Lopez Rivas.

 

Gun Quotes

If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. ~ George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796

 

Gary – I found this definition of Usurpation; A wrongful seizure or exercise of authority or privilege belonging to another; an encroachment. Boy those founding fathers had a way with words that needed no explanation and yet our rights are being usurped almost daily by the President, judges and lawmakers alike.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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4- Interview 1 – Bob Mayne

What makes a good trainer, and why it is important for the trainer to continue to train and to take outside instruction?

Instructors need to train to keep their skills sharp.. At least once a year.

There are advanced techniques.. Techniques that are more than the basics performed to a higher standard.

 

For someone aspiring to become an instructor, at what point should he consider himself ready to begin teaching? How can he measure his mastery and assess his readiness to begin teaching??

 

Comments on instructor classes vs. mentoring method to become an instructor?

 

Why do students finally seek training?

Bob

 

5- Interview 2-

Bob Mayne unhooked

SA vs DA

Blame Ben Branam Sig229 legion

Single action/double action test

How do students select their training? (hollywood or reading M Ayoob?)

 

What student questions perplex you?

 

What teachers inspire you?

 

What students inspire you?

Those who are willing to learn and try

 

Do most of your students practice between classes?

 

The guns should your students should avoid.. But don’t?

A gun that doesn’t work and a gun they can’t run.

 

Bob, I’m going to bug you again about coming to teach in WI/IL

Rob-

6- DGUs

ARMED BYSTANDER STOPS HOME DEPOT TIRE IRON ATTACK

 

A man stopped two men assaulting a security guard in the parking lot of a Home Depot hardware store in Texas. Armed with a pistol, the man held one of the two men at gunpoint until police arrived. The other man was able to flee the scene.

The Home Depot called the local Amarillo, Tex. police about a robbery, but before they were able to get to the hardware store things had already turned from bad to worse, reports local ABC affiliate 7 News.

The police confirmed suspect Ricky Solis, 35, took power tools from the store without paying for them. A Home Depot loss prevention officer approached Solis in the parking lot, who tried to make a run for it.

The guard caught Solis and a fight broke out between the two when a second suspect arrived to help Solis. The second man kicked the guard in the face then went back to his car to get a tire iron.

That’s when help arrived: an armed citizen. Drawing his pistol on the two assailants, he ordered them to get on the ground. The second suspect turned away, got back into his vehicle and fled, but not Solis, who was taken into police custody as soon as they arrived.

Police haven’t released the Good Samaritan’s name but said he kept Solis on the ground at gunpoint while the loss prevention officer used his own cuffs to detain him. No shots were fired and no other people were harmed.

The security guard suffered light injuries that did not need medical attention. The property was returned to the store, and the Amarillo police are still on the lookout for the second suspect who remains at large.

This is a reminder that private, and even public security forces are not always adequate and that no security is faster than personal security.

“This is hardly the first incident at Amarillo, Tex. Home Depot stores,” writes Bearing Arms. “Police arrested Brett Austin Leake after he stole merchandise and fought back against the loss prevention officer who tried to detain him”

“Police were again called to the Georgia St. store when Clifford Wayne Clardy was caught stealing merchandise and began to fight the loss prevention officer who confronted him.”

 

Paul

Rob- from start to finish-

 

Kidnapped Jeweler Shoots Driver and Passenger in Car

There’s a knock on your Henderson, Nevada home just after midnight. There’s a dark sedan parked out front with California plates. Two men say they have your employee zip-tied in the back. There is an implied threat of violence. They want you to come with them. Now.

What do you do? This is Vegas, do you gamble with your life?

 

It’s rarely a good idea to go anywhere with a kidnapper. Far too often, changing locations with a criminal directly leads to additional violence or death. Many self-defense instructors identify a demand to move as the point where you make your stand for your life, and fight.

However, the owner of a jewelry business voluntarily went with the kidnappers. But, there was another element swinging the probabilities in this life-or-death game. Unbeknownst to the criminals, the man had a hidden ace up his sleeve, or probably inside his waistband. Even at home after midnight, the jeweler still carried his concealed firearm. The kidnappers hustled their victim to the car, never expecting he was armed. When they inexplicably seated the jeweler in the back seat with his employee, the die was cast. The car didn’t make it out of the neighborhood before the jeweler drew his weapon and shot the driver and the other kidnapper in the front passenger seat.


The driverless car careened into the side of a house and caught fire. The jeweler and his coworker made it out – the two criminals did not.  They were pronounced dead at the scene from multiple close-range gunshots. In this high-stakes poker game, we’ll bet the shots were to the back of the head. Police are speaking with the two survivors and trying to get to the bottom of what happened. It should be obvious that in Sin City Las Vegas, there are a lot of questions still to be answered.  

What is known is the importance of POGO(™): Pants On – Gun On. Carrying a gun late at night in the home looks like it just might have saved this man’s life as well as his employee’s.  

POGO(™), it’s just not for the funny pages anymore.

 

Paul – I want to re-iterate something here. If you are confronted by a bad guy and they want to take you somewhere the time to act is NOW! You likely will never get another chance. The chances of you coming out of it alive are extremely slim. The chances of you coming out of it alive and unharmed are so close to 0 as to be indistinguishable. The bad guys made a major fatal mistake. They let the good guy sit behind them and did not search him for weapons. The good guy here got extremely lucky.

 

Good thing? Pants on gun on. I already covered the bad things. Anyone else want a crack at this one?

 

Home Invasion Stopped by Armed Neighbor

A Spring, Texas woman and her children were threatened with death by an armed robber who boldly strolled into their home. One of her boys escaped the invasion and ran across the street for help. That help came holding a gun. Many minutes closer than the cops, the armed neighbor ran to the defense of the family. He fired several shots, forcing the robber to flee for his life and saving the family. Sean J. Robbins, 28, was arrested several blocks away and has been charged with aggravated robbery and burglary.

We certainly commend the good samaritan for coming to the aid of his neighbors. His heroics came at a significant risk to his life, liberty and wealth. By stepping up, the neighbor saved the family from robbery or much, much worse. Good on you, sir! Yeehaw, Texas! This selfless act is part of the real West that comes with the free, unabridged ownership of firearms.

 

You listening, Shannon?    

 

Paul

Rob- swatted?

 

Two Good Samaritans Stop a Home Invasion And Beating

Two good samaritans heeded the desperate cries for help coming from a home in a quiet Erie, Pennsylvania suburb. They acted decisively, saving the two homeowners and a kidnapping victim, stopping an interstate crime spree, and wounding the suspect to ensure his final capture. And it was a firearm in law-abiding hands that made it possible.

Kyle Johnson, 25, started his violent spree by assaulting ex-girlfriend Brandi Shakir, 23, a week ago, leaving her with a broken eye socket and two black eyes. Shakir already had a restraining order against Johnson, who gained a felony assault warrant with the beating. None of that paperwork made the slightest bit of difference when he abducted Shakir and torched her mother’s house. Police had been searching unsuccessfully for Johnson and Shakir since Monday morning.  

Johnson travelled about 100 miles up the Lake Erie shoreline, where Tuesday morning he broke into a random home in an upscale Erie, Pennsylvania neighborhood. He confined Shakir in the home’s basement, and the violent felon severely beat the woman homeowner with a tire iron and slashed her with a box cutter. Her husband returned shortly afterward and also fell under the fists of the thug. His cries for help were heard by two brave samaritans, who ran toward the desperate situation. Fortunately, at least one of the neighbors carried a gun. During the altercation, Johnson was shot twice, in shoulder and the leg. The powerfully-built Johnson broke free and ran down a ravine where the partially lame man was finally captured. He was hospitalized and booked for attempted homicide, with many other charges pending. Shakir was also hospitalized, but released later. The female homeowner is still in critical condition with severe, life-threatening blunt force trauma to the head. Her husband was treated and released. It is not known if the good samaritans were injured.   

In a round of mutual governmental butt-patting, the FBI, US Marshals, several police agencies, the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification, CECOMS, and the Ohio turnpike toll booth workers all held press conferences to congratulate themselves and each other for almost ending the crime spree. The pivotal role of the courageous neighbors was largely ignored by the agencies and the establishment media. We suspect it was the critical, correct use of a civilian firearm that caused the media to turn a blind, progressive eye.


Or…. could it be….Shannon?   Or her puppeteer, Bloombie?  

Rob- time is critical.  You’re not equipped to react if you don’t have a firearm on your body.

John – It is good that it happened in PA and not just a bit more up the Lake Erie shoreline in New York where a carry permit would have been harder to obtain.

Absolutely true!

Paul –

Bob

 

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy!

And finally, here’s another in our fan-favorite Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys series.

Ol’ John Adams started shooting relatively late in life. In fact, he waited until he was 61 before pulling his first trigger. His first target — was an armed criminal.

It was just another slow night at Adams’ Lexington, Tennessee liquor store. That is, until two armed masked men walked in and punched him in the nose. The duo’s’ opening gambit was the typical “I’m gonna rob you, I’m gonna rob you.” “Yeah, right,” thought the jaded old dude. Then — he got slugged in the face. And THAT torqued him off; “I can hurt you if you do crazy stuff to me,” the grizzled Adams said. “I can’t deal with you hitting my mouth.”

 

He did deal with the life-threatening situation by grabbing a hidden pistol and whistling a slug in the general direction of the thug. “I’m 61, and this is the first time that I’ve ever shot a gun,” admitted Adams. “No wonder I shot the wall, but I really meant to hit him.” <unquote> He really meant to hit him a second time when the grumpy old man chased the pair out onto the street and fired once more, effectively doubling his firearms experience. The light-skinned criminals escaped the rampaging old guy in an older-model Camaro. Still frothing, Adams said, “He hit me like I was a piece of crap.” However, Adams’ two shots likely stopped the quote from being any worse; as in; “He killed the <bleep> out of me.”    

 

While we certainly applaud this geezer-riffic self-defense use of a gun; waiting until an armed confrontation before taking your first shot ever is DEFINITELY not recommended. Training and practice would certainly have helped even the odds when this old guy got torqued-off.  

 

Paul – I am glad that the good guy is okay, however 2 things. #1 get some training! #2 when the bad guys are running away it is time to stop shooting.

John – No one was getting his Pappy van Winkle bourbon!

Funny, CF

 

Rob- Having a gun does not armed for self-defense anymore than owning an instrument makes me a musician.  You must take instruction, train and practice.  It is easy.

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Voicemail —-

 

Gary – http://www.tarnhelm.com/magna-trigger/gun/safety/magna1.html

Rob – I think you’re trying to solve a training problem with hardware.  If you can’t hold, operate or aim a gun then firearms might not be for you.  There are 22 magnum semi-auto that I hope you’ll consider.

Rachel: make your decision based on your experience, not merely research. If someone recommends a revolver because he doesn’t think you can operate a semi-auto, test that out yourself.

 

Listener Text message

 

Hello all. I just wanted to take a minute and thank you all for the great job you do on the podcast. Have been listening since before you changed the name. Paul, if you ever get out to Rancho Cucamonga in Southern California at the T/A truck stop, I’d love to take you to dinner I am only a couple miles north of there. Thank you for putting out the gun policy coalitions interface on what’s happening in California. Susan, sorry I missed your birthday. I am blind sheepdog on Facebook and have a great time listening to see what you guys are doing. Good luck with mag 40 it seems like a lot of fun wish we could get him out here, but it’s kind of lost cause I think

 

Continuing, Paul I know you hate the term sheepdog. However, I need to be the sheepdog for my family even though I lost my eyesight 10 years ago. With the background as a gunsmith for 30 some odd years and a believer in preparation. It is I who am spearheading the keeping of food and water for the family and protection equipment and am also an extra class ham radio operator. We lost Charlie foxtrot a while back to the Midwest but we have to hold around here too. All the best to all of you. The name is John.

 

Paul – Mas will be in Sacramento November 30 through December 3rd with a MAG 40. I put a LINK in the show notes.

Gary –

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Hello gang,

I really enjoy your show and listen backwards (first the current show, then
the last show I haven’t already heard – I’m now on show 345 from August
30th) to make sure I’m current and am catching up on older shows too.

My purpose for writing is this. I’m looking for a shot timer that would be
able to “hear” the shots of an Airsoft (BB pellet) gun. I use one, along
with paper targets, in my garage, to practice my draw, aim and trigger
control. I’ve tried using a Pocket Pro II shot timer but it doesn’t catch my
shots consistently. I have an Apple iPhone App (Sorry about that Paul),
called “Free Shot Timer” that has sensitivity adjustment, but it, too
doesn’t register my shots consistently. Has anyone heard of a product or App
that would be able to pick up the sounds from this practice gun?

Many thanks,

Sent from my iPhone – Richard in  Kent, WA

 

Rachel- Richard, that is the perfect type of question to throw to our listeners.  Let’s see if someone in the listening audience has an answer for Kent.  What shot timer can hear an airsoft gun?

Rob- can you use a remote microphone to catch the airsoft sound?

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote an article about California’s new gun control legislation.  California allowed local pre-emption so cities and counties could pass their own gun laws.  As you might expect, these gun control areas are heavily socialist.  And, they are experiencing a crime wave.  More local regulation, more local crime.  One of the reasons the state politicians now spread these failed local policies across the state is to hide their failure at a local level.  The article is called Spreading Failure for Profit- the politics of California gun control.  My articles are at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland and at my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I did a blog post today suggesting that the Palestinian Authority should be given state representative status to UNSCAR. The  UN Trust Facility Supporting Cooperation on Arms Regulation is the United Nations agency in charge of managing the Arms Trade Treaty which impacts small arms and ammo with stuff like reloaders being licensed. If given state representative status, then the United States, by law, cannot support their funding. Given Obama how loves left-wing, terrorist supporting Arabs, I might just get my wish.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Rob and Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear Charlie on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Episode 373 Laura Carno

 

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1:  Laura Carno

4- Interview Segment 2: Craig DeLuz

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, April 14th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson and on tonight’s show we talk with Craig DeLuz of the Firearms Policy Coalition about proposed California firearms legislation

Jenna: I’m Jenna Meek and we will also talk with Laura Carno about her new book.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we will talk about the Northern Marianas Islands passing a one thousand dollar per handgun tax .. so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 373 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

JENNA – I have been teaching (when the weather allows, spring in CO is crazy!), writing, I finally got to take a class with John and Vicki Farnam a couple of weeks ago.

 

John – As I mentioned on the last podcast, I was going to spend the weekend at the Mother Earth News Fair in Asheville. I did and I had a good time. It attracted everyone from hippies in dreadlocks to vets who are into prepping and everyone in between. The only thing that could have made it better is if they had one building devoted to guns! I learned how to tan leather with and without the fur, how to make ginger beer, and, best of all, how to set up a small still.

 

In gun news, I had an order of AR lowers arrive one of which is going to be made into an AR pistol. It won’t exactly be a SBR but it will be as close as I can come without spending $200 and waiting 6 months! I do have a question for our listeners – has anyone ever used one of the pre-made NFA trusts that many of the dealer peddle for $120 or so? I’m debating going that route before July and the changes coming down the road.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

http://www.firearmsafetyinstitute.com/

 

Paul/Susan

http://gogetfunding.com/fellow-advocate-needs-your-help/

http://www.concealmentsolutions.com/

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Live promo – Concealment Solutions deal of the day.

 

Tease Northern Marianas story

 

2- News

Northern Marianas passes a strong anti gun law.

Last week we reported that the Marianas Islands had had their ban on handguns struck down. So they did what any freedom hating government would do, they imposed a $1000 per handgun tax. Although that was only the beginning. The new law that was passed unanimously in the Commonwealth Senate and signed by the Governor also creates a ban on all carry outside the home and creates a licensing system. Also banned are centerfire rifle cartridges larger than .223 and shotgun shells larger than .410.

 

Not to worry, the SAF is on the case. Allan Gottlieb told Guns.com that “Our SAF legal team is working on the next step. It seems that the anti-gun rights politicians never learn”

 

John – I fail to see how a tax of $1000 on a $500 handgun is constitutional. The power to tax is the power to destroy.

 

Colorado trying to roll back magazine restrictions

 

In a move almost the polar opposite of what we just reported from the Pacific Islands, the state of Colorado’s Senate passed a bill that would eliminate the magazine capacity restriction that became law recently. The bill now moves to the Colorado House. NRA-ILA is requesting that if you live in the Rocky Mountain state that you get in touch with your representative and urge them to support Senate bill 113.

 

Jenna-

 

After backing out of the presidential race Chris Christie actually does something almost right!

 

Guns.com reported on Monday that New Jersey Governor Chris Christie issued new guidelines for obtaining a handun license.  One of the several reforms listed in the story was the adding of “Serious threats” to the list of qualifying circumstances in the states may issue permitting process. Up until now the process should have been referred to as may, but almost definitely will not issue.

 

It is too early to tell whether this will actually make a difference in the state, but time certainly will tell. We would like to remind our Garden State listeners that as with any executive order these can be changed on a whim by the next Governor and so it is crucial to stay involved and keep working to elect pro gun politicians.

 

John – Christie seems to be getting better even though his Presidential ambitions have been shot down.

 

Virginia Governor Terry Mcauliffe is asking to get bitch slapped.

 

Bob Owens over at bearingarms.com reports that Virginia Governor Terry Mcauliffe vetoed legislation that would have allowed people who are victims of domestic violence and have a restraining order to get an instant carry permit.

 

Now victims of domestic violence must wait the far too long 45 days for the Virginia system to grind its way through the process of issuing a permit before they can defend themselves outside the home.

 

John – The only good thing I can say for Virginians is that they can open carry legally without a permit.

 

Tease Laura Carno interview

 

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3- Interview 1-  Laura Carno

 

Tonight’s first interview is with Laura Carno. Laura has been a guest here many times and even helped co-host so most of our listeners should know her. Laura wrote a new book that just released. The title of the book is “Government Ruins Nearly Everything: Reclaiming Social Issues from Uncivil Servants “ Laura, thanks for coming back on the show.

 

First please tell us a little bit about your book. What are the “social issues” you cover?

 

Reducing gun violence is of interest to our listeners, tell us more about your approach to that.

 

You have been getting great reviews on Amazon, I would like to touch on just a few of them.

 

I made a big mistake when I bought this book…I ONLY BOUGHT TWO COPIES! Now I need to go back and buy some more to send to my friends.

What’s not to like about Laura Carno’s “Government Ruins Nearly Everything.” I liked the Parents Know Best section; I liked the Free Market section; I liked the Strong Marriages section. Actually, I liked the entire book.

Laura mentioned that Millennials want their freedoms. But I’ve observed Millennials want “free stuff.” Which is it? Someone has to pay for it. Laura gets it!

“Government Ruins Nearly Everything” is a must read for anyone who really cares

 

Second review

 

Clear thinking, chapter after chapter. Laura talks the right way about issues that usually get folks riled up. And when folks are riled up, they don’t listen to each other. She looks for real answers to some of the thorniest problems we face.

Laura frames issues in a way that’s bigger than a single topic, and gives real ideas for solutions that most people (politicians, especially!) are overlooking.

Practical, thought-provoking, optimistic, and surprisingly compassionate

 

It looks like you are getting fantastic feedback, I hope that the book’s sales are going as well as the reviews.

 

How long did the book take to write?

 

Are there more books on your horizon?

 

Where can people buy your book?

www.LauraCarno.com

http://amzn.com/0692672753

 

Tease Craig DeLuz interview

4- Interview 2-

 

5- DGUs

 

Home Invader Shot and Killed, Accomplices Charged With His Murder
An attempted invasion of a Columbus, Ohio condo resulted in the death of one robber and murder charges for his two accomplices. Nathaniel Easley, 24, was shot in the resident’s condo, staggered out into the complex and collapsed. Khomary Rand, 23, and Deshawn Lovejoy, 26, left their comrade on the pavement, but were arrested driving very erratically to elude capture, according to police. They have been charged with murder due to their participation in the crime that resulted in Easely’s death. During the altercation, a dog was also shot. The condo resident has not been charged nor identified for his or her protection.  

As an apparent result of his choices, Easley left behind his daughter; Nari “Elle, his parents and two siblings.

 

Elderly Man Shoots Invader
An elderly Missouri man had his lunch interrupted by three home invaders prepared for violence. Fortunately, he was dining with a firearm.

 

The man saw someone pull up very close to the house in a truck. The trio immediately started breaking down the front door. The startled resident ran back to the table where he had left his handgun. During that time, the three thugs broke open the door which was only held partially closed by a safety chain. The elderly man fired what he described as a warning shot and saw the pickup truck speed away.

In those confused moments, the homeowner arrived to find a man lying on his front porch. Police arrived a short time later and pronounce the man dead from a gunshot wound to the head. The deceased was found wearing gloves with an aluminum baseball bat nearby. The elderly man did not know the attacker, but the homeowner may know of him or his associates. Police are searching for the other two, and are fairly certain they know who they are.

By the evidence, it now seems that the elderly man prevented a robbery and perhaps much worse. Even though his shot was described as a warning shot, police believe he fired in fear for his life. At this time, the house guest is not expected to be charged; but the investigation is ongoing.

Warning shots are seldom a good idea. However, it seems this time the warning shot delivered a very pointed message, one that was justified by the facts.  

 

Paul –

 

Crime Spree Thwarted By Store Employee With a Gun
A criminal’s crime spree was interrupted by a store employee and her gun.  At least five Dayton, Ohio business had been robbed in short order by the same thug. However, things changed when he tried to rob the Sundeck Tanning Salon. Saying “I don’t want any trouble, just give me all the money,” the thief got only a gun to the face as the employee said I don’t think you’re going to get that money today.

 

The business owner said his employee was a little shaken, but it wasn’t enough to stop her from protecting their business. “She was really upset, but she’s not going to give up our money. This is our season. We’re a small family business. This is what we live off of and she’s not going to give that up.”

We applaud the woman who protected her herself and business with a gun, all without having to fire a shot. You listening out there, Shannon?  

 

Man Turns Gun on Home Invader

A 51-year-old Rochester man got home in time to defend his 16-year-old daughter from three invaders. However, in the gun-controlled paradise of New York State, he had to obtain the gun he used from one of the thugs.  

Around 10:30 at night, three masked and armed robbers broke into the home and began assaulting the young girl. The homeowner came home to this desperate situation. During the altercation, he was chased into a backyard and shot in the leg. The owner continued to fight and was able to wrestle a gun away from one of the thugs. That gun was used to incapacitate a suspect.

Police on patrol nearby heard the gunshot and were able to take the teenaged suspect into custody. The thug was hospitalized with facial injuries. The homeowner was hospitalized with non-life threatening injuries to his lower extremities. The victim’s daughter was also hospitalized for facial injuries. The two remaining invaders remain on the loose.

 

We congratulate the man for defending his daughter and his life. However, we wish he had the legal ability to carry and employ his own gun, rather than having to get one from the criminal. A criminal, who by the way, had no problem illegally possessing a gun in anti-gun New York.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Before we get to the email discussion, I want to ask a few things. First PLEASE keep emailing, calling, and texting! The email address is onair@politicsandguns.com. The Phone number to text or call to leave a voicemail is 605-215-1438. We really do need more feedback.

 

We got a voice mail from Mel in the midwest

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

John – I don’t have any particular blog posts this week I want to point out. I’d just ask the listeners to go to onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com to find my blog.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now.  NOW, damnit!)

 

;^)’

 

Jenna: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Johnl: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Episode 372 – Interview with Alex Kincaid and we get a little crazy in News 1

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- News 2 Segment

4- Interview: Alex Kincaid

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday April 7th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk with Alex Kincaid about recent court decisions affecting Idaho gun laws.

John: I’m John Richardson, We will also talk about my former home county in North Carolina that wanted to ban carry in county buildings and parks.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll announce two more states which have passed Constitutional Carry!

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our Defensive Gun Use stories, a woman interrupts a burglar who is coming into her child’s bedroom window, so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 372 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob-  I carried every day and all day.  Dry fired at home and live fired at the range.  Released another episode of self defense gun stories with Jeff Street, and we had our 4000th download today.  I’m reading a book on the second amendment by William Weir.  I also received Laura Carno’s book, “Government ruins nearly everything”.  Voted for NRA board of directors.  Ballots are due May 1, so mail them now.

 

John – Since I was last on, I spent Easter with my granddaughter who is growing by leaps and bounds, blogged some, and worked. Oh, and I won an auction for a rifle that I think was made by the great gunsmith and wildcatter P. O. Ackley. I put my bid in not expecting to win and now it is being shipped to my local FFL. The rifle is in .256 Newton which means I will be reloading for it. The caliber dates from 1916 and was one of the first to break the 3000 ft/sec. Barrier.

This weekend I’ll be going to the Mother Earth News Fair. I know it sounds like Hippie Central but it does draw a lot of preppers. My sister in law will have a booth selling kid’s books.

 

Rachel – 3 weeks down, 1 to go for spring football (and having two kids around). Last week of middle school choir rehearsals and performances. Not a lot of sleep or shooting. However, I did swing by the A Girl & A Gun meeting a couple weeks ago, and I’ve taught several LTC and Beginner Pistol classes for Texas Tactical Training Institute. More scheduled: April 16 and 18.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

http://www.firearmsafetyinstitute.com/

 

Rob- South Africa dry fire vs flinch.

 

Paul/Susan

Computer issues – if you are registered for the MAG 40 in May, please email me so I have your contact information again.

http://gogetfunding.com/fellow-advocate-needs-your-help/

http://www.concealmentsolutions.com/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/A-M-S-Trucks-Brandon-SD/145650185531142?fref=ts

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Live promo – Concealment Solutions deal of the day.

 

2- News

 

Obama Administration Pro-Crime Initiatives

In the past weeks, the Obama administration has released a series of actions that have direct bearing on the citizens. Largely avoided by the media because of the third-rail nature of the racial politics, these initiatives certainly affect the safety of the Nation’s law abiding.  

First, Obama commuted the sentences of another 61 criminals. Most were involved in distribution of large amounts of illegal drugs, but one in five were also sentenced in part for gun crimes. Many others had their gun crimes dismissed as part of the plea deals that put them in prison. Those 61 join another 187 criminals who have benefited from Obama’s hypocritical approach to crime, where he is hard on the law-abiding gun owners and soft on the actual criminals.

Then, Obama’s Department of Housing and Urban Development issued a decree saying refusing to rent based on a criminal record is a form of racial discrimination. The Fair Housing Act is silent on criminals, but because Blacks and Latinos are arrested at a significantly higher rate than whites, HUD has stretched the law so landlords can no longer use a criminal record to screen applicants. The fact that a criminal record is often a predictor of other undesirable traits must be ignored according to the Federal bureaucracy. Landlords and mortgage providers who violate the administrative decree could face fines in the millions of dollars, depending on the scope of the alleged violations.

 

 Most troubling is the Obama’s Department of Justice’s nine-page letter to judges around the United States, warning them to limit prosecution of criminals, particularly those of minority status, or risk the loss of federal funding. Municipalities failing to toe the line could see the same type of federal investigations that Ferguson, Missouri endured after the police shooting of black teen Michael Brown. The fact that those shootings were largely found to have been justified, and the municipalities targeted are mostly minority controlled is ignored by the Obama administration.  

 

Obama’s new soft on crime approach directly affects the fabric of American society. It goes against the rule of law and most of the best practices of law enforcement. It reverses the Broken Window policing that has been shown to be so effective. Critically, it extends the hands-off “Ferguson Effect” that is responsible for so many inner city deaths in St Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland, LA and Chicago. Now, the entire nation is subject to the same enforced chaos. The eventual results are easily predictable.

 

We have alway suggested that our listeners should be prepared to defend their own lives, for when the government can not — or deliberately will not – defend them. Stay armed, stay vigilant, stay capable. Now, more than ever.

 

Rob-  $elective enforcement is like “may issue”.  It is a way to get campaign contributions and kickbacks.

John – Most violent crime is tried at the state level. I’d tell Loretta Lynch to keep her money. I’ll stop there because my next comment would not be appropriate for family friendly show.

 

NJ2AS Gets a Check From New Jersey
This had to have hurt the gun-controlled paradise of New Jersey: The so-called Garden

State had to cough-up a check to the New Jersey 2nd Amendment Society. Show friend Frank Fiamingo’s organization received a 100 thousand dollar check for legal fees associated with the state’s refusal to provide a Firearm Investigative Manual in an Open Public Records Act request. New Jersey refused the request in 2011, prompting the lawsuit and damage award. This is the first time in New Jersey history that the state had to write a check to a Second Amendment organization for legal fees. The NJ2AS will continue to fight for additional fees owed it, as well as the full, unredacted Firearm Investigative Manual.

 

You go, Frank!

 

John – I love it when anti-gun governments have to cough up cash to 2A organizations. The only part that bothers me is that it comes from all taxpayers and not just the government officials who broke the law.

rachel

Gary

Paul- let me bring you back up, Florida says that individual mayors and city and county representatives can be held personally liable for pre-empting state gun laws.

 

Last Handgun Ban in the United States Defeated

Another one bites the dust: the very last one. The last jurisdiction in America to ban handguns had its ban overturned. The Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands lost it’s prohibition of handguns in federal court. The court found the law violated the plaintiffs’ individual right to possess a handgun or other firearm for self-defense as guaranteed by the Second and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution. The plaintiff was attacked and beaten, resulting in injuries including two broken ribs, facial contusions, and a suspected broken orbital bone and eye socket. The court understandably found the law limited the plaintiff’s’ ability to protect themselves and their family in the event of violence.

 

Let’s see: sunshine, blue water, white sand, coconut drinks, and freedom — what’s not to like!

 

John – Saipan is the largest island in the Northern Mariana Islands. Let’s remember the over 3,000 Marines who died fighting for it during WW2 so that now they have the same constitutional rights as every other American.

 

Rachel

 

Idaho Approves Constitutional Carry

Formerly famous only for potatoes, Idaho now has another claim to fame: it is now the ninth state to adopt Constitutional Carry! Governor Butch Otter signed Senate Bill 1389, the NRA-endorsed permitless carry legislation. On July 1st Idaho will become the ninth state to recognize a citizen’s ability to possess a concealed handgun for self-defense without government-mandated permitting and fees.

 

Congratulations, Mashers!

Rachel:  http://alexkincaid.com/index.php/law-blog/post/the-four-year-rickety-road-to-permitless-carry-in-idaho-how-the-people-of-idaho-made-it-happen

 

Iowans Approve Suppressor Act
Not to be outdone by Idaho’s sudden rush to sanity, Iowans have secured their ability to have suppressors. Governor Terry Branstad just signed the Hearing Protection Act, House File 2279, into law. In the past, Iowans have been denied the use of the commonly available safety equipment that reduces the sound of a gunshot. After three solid years of effort, the bill was passed through a split legislature, powered by a grassroots campaign of social media, e-mails, phone calls, letters and visits. Iowans now can apply to the federal government for the 200 dollar tax stamp, the same as the other 41 states allowing suppressors.   

Congratulations to the Iowa Firearms Coalition! We’re heartened that they are seeing this victory as only the first step in protecting and enhancing Iowa citizens 2nd Amendment Rights.  

John – Now it is time that the US Congress pass the Federal Hearing Protection Act.

Rachel – suppressors are the polite way of shooting

John – I did a blog post a few years ago that suppressors selling for as low as $39 in New Zealand.

 

Mississippi Votes For Constitutional Carry
After all the above stories, it’s easy to Imagine Mikey Bloomberg reaching for that gallon bottle of aspirin he keeps on the back of his golden commode. This story from Mississippi can only make it better! The Mississippi House has voted 85-35 to concur with Senate amendments to House Bill 786, sending the legislation to Governor Phil Bryant (R) for his expected signature.

 

The legislation has advanced despite months of misleading attacks by Bloomberg and his anti-gun shills in the Everytown for Gun Safety and Demanding Mommies groups. The legislation also prohibits state or local enforcement of federal executive orders or agency regulations not approved by Congress which conflict with the Constitution of the United States or the Mississippi Constitution. The act also allows church authorities to designate enhanced carry permit holders or those with military or law enforcement backgrounds to protect places of worship and receive the benefits of the state’s Castle Doctrine.

All in all, quite a package, Mississippi. Congratulations! And Mikey, save some aspirin for Shannon.  

 

Rob- Now I have to read the bills in the Louisiana legislature and see if we can get suppressors legalized.

Rachel: I was hoping Texas could make top 10 or 20…at this rate, we’ll be lucky to make top 45 for Constitutional Carry.

John – Thanks to the Senate committee which added constitutional carry to the bill and to the House for agreeing to these amendments.

 

Haywood County North Carolina Blinks

Citizens must be forever on-guard when their governments are in session. The good commissioners of Haywood County were considering an ordinance to ban all open and concealed carry in county buildings and parks. That was, until approximately 400 gun rights activists packed the meeting in a show of 1st and 2nd Amendment Freedom. Bloomberg’s astroturf North Carolinians Against Gun Violence failed to put up any credible presence, giving the day to the energized Grass Roots North Carolina group. The county quickly announced that the Haywood County Board of Commissioners will not take any action at their regularly scheduled meeting of Monday, April 4, 2016 on the proposed ordinances for Carrying of Concealed Weapons and Displaying of Firearms …

Congratulations to the GRNC and the pro-gun activists that saved Freedom in the North Carolina county!  Keep up the pressure until the commission drops the proposed ordinance entirely.  You can’t ever turn your back on those bastards.

 

John – I lived in Haywood County for 32 years before Barb and I got married. The commissioners also had under consideration an outdoor shooting range ordinance. It was so strict that virtually nowhere in the county would have qualified. What makes this even worse is that all police ranges would be exempted. This was because they would have been out of compliance with the new law which required the range be 300 from the property line and ¼ mile to the nearest occupied building.

 

While I didn’t attend the meeting, I did email the commissioners. I did get a response from Commissioner Kevin Ensley, the lone Republican on the board, who said he was in favor of carry in county buildings and parks.

 

Rachel: at my LTC classes, students always wonder “why that quirky restriction, and not another?” The legislature doesn’t examine every possible law they could make and pass what they want; they make their decision based on the small groups that make the most noise. Let’s be sure that’s us.

Rob- amen.  Stand up and make noise.

John – You nailed it.

Gun Quotes

 

John Kennedy, writing in 1960 posited “fears of governmental tyranny” as the impetus “which gave rise to the Second Amendment” to begin with. And although he believed it “unlikely” that such tyranny “[would] ever be a major danger to our nation,” he said “the Second Amendment will always be important.”

We’ll be right back with an interview with Alex Kincaid discussing recent changes to Idaho gun laws.

 

NEWS 2 – already recorded and edited –

 

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3- Interview 1- Alex Kincaid

Alex is a firearms attorney, public speaker, second amendment advocate and author of Defending Your Right to Defend Yourself  Welcome Alex, did I get that right?

  1. Alex, Congratulations to Idaho for enacting permitless carry.  Someone posted an article saying that permitless carry is trouble for Idahoans.  Could you explain that article and your response?
  2. In Illinois the carry law says I can drive right onto school property with my concealed firearm, would this still be a federal violation for Illinois gun owners?
  3. Massad Ayoob makes a distinction between constitutional carry and permit less carry how do you see that issue?
  4. Permitless carry only applies to Idaho residents.
  5. Where can our listeners find out more about you?

 

4- Interview 2- Brandon Combs

 

5- DGUs

 

Dallas Fort Worth Woman Shoots One Invader – And Runs Out of Ammo

Many internet commandos point out that the average self-defense gunfight last less than 3 rounds. They use that fact to justify firearms with reduced round capacity. A Dallas-Fort Worth woman learned the fallacy of the law of averages when two invaders broke down her door.  The 61-year-old woman grabbed her gun and shot one of the intruders in the stomach. However, she ran out of bullets shooting at the second suspect. The uninjured burglar attacked her and beat her severely. “He must of heard me clicking it because that’s when he came back and beat me up really bad,” said the woman. The woman suffered a concussion and her face was covered with cuts and bruises. All in all, she probably got off very lucky.

Saul Guzman, 21, was found in a hospital being treated for a non-life threatening gunshot wound to the stomach. Police found a second suspect, Pedro Guzman, also 21, sitting in his car across the street from the hospital. Investigators also found a stolen purse connected to a different burglary inside a trash can nearby. Both suspects were charged with Burglary of Habitation, Felony Theft or Assault, Theft of Firearm, and Burglary of Vehicle.

 

The victim said she is installing a security system at her home and will be buying another gun. “I hope other women will take note,” she said. “I am glad I was able to defend myself.” We’re glad she will be buying another gun; we hope that gun will have more capacity – you just never know when you will be the one of the 50% that exceeds that average round count.

 

Rob- The average number of attackers is 2.3, so the homeowner was lucky she didn’t face 3 attackers.  Missed shots don’t count.  Studying these examples of defensive gun use helps you stay focused and stay on target.  And gut shots are quite lethal, but not immediately incapacitating.

 

Paul is that 5 or 6 shot revolver really enough?

Rachel: we reported recently on a woman who ran out of ammo with a shotgun without hitting her target. She and her infant twins thankfully still escaped with their lives.

 

Mother Shoots Intruder in Baby’s Room

An intruder got between a momma bear and her cub, and paid the price. An Indianapolis, Indiana woman heard the sounds of a break-in coming from her baby’s room and armed herself. She surprised the man coming from the room, where he shot first. She returned fire and hit the suspect multiple times. Police took the burglar to the hospital where his condition is unknown. Neither the woman nor her child was injured. William Barnes, 38, has  been charged with burglary with a deadly weapon, taking property by force or threatening the use of force while armed, battery by means of a deadly weapon and carrying a handgun without a license.

Police said this type of incident was very rare in the area, which is mostly quiet and residential. The robber was most unusual, as he carried zip ties and a walkie-talkie.  Police said they will be investigating this incident aggressively.

 

Rob- The homeowner called her husband, then got her gun.  That dithering gave the intruder time to enter the child’s room.  If she was carrying she might have stopped him from entering the house.

 

Paul – Walkie talkie means more people were likely involved

 

Craiglist Date Ends in Gunfire

Now, just who could have seen this coming?  A sexcapade engineered through Craigslist ended in robbery and gunfire. Early Saturday morning a man met met a woman outside a duplex after connecting online. He was walking to an apartment with the woman, when 19-year-old Steven Hurston allegedly appeared with a gun and told him to hand over his money. The victim drew his CCW and fired at Hurston, killing him. The victim called police standing over the robber.  

 

Chattanooga Police say a local couple has been enticing strangers for sex on websites like Craigslist and Backpage. The woman was probably working with Hurston. Police believe this could be the same couple responsible for at least four other incidents since December.

 

Paul – play stupid games win stupid prizes

Was the woman caught?

Son Defends Mother – and Memory of Father – In Home Invasion

History repeated itself 50 years later when a shot was fired during a home invasion.  This time, it was the invader who suffered the gunshot wound. A 54-year-old Chicago man who had lost his father to a home robber 5 decades in the past, defended himself and his 88-year-old mother when a man tried to break into the home’s window.  “I heard the gunshot,” Tate said. “And then my son called me, ‘Momma, somebody tried to break in the window.'” Police followed a trail of blood and found the 36-year-old wounded man two blocks away. The wounded man was taken to a hospital with a .22 caliber injury to his arm.

 

The uninjured woman said several of her siblings and children have been killed in gun violence. However, she is glad her son was there and armed with her pistol. “My son said he wasn’t going to let that somebody come in that window. He knew those boys came in the house and killed his father. He wasn’t going to let somebody come in the house and kill me.” However, the old girl said that the intruder was lucky. If she had been the one shooting, she would have shot through the window and hit him in the chest.

 

Paul – Good on them- but let’s think about a larger caliber than .22.

 

Chicagoland Street Robbery Fatal to Thug

Also from the mean streets of Chicagoland comes a tale of three men, two guns, and a CCW license.

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Email from Alan in New Jersey

 

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As a resident of a state (NJ) that has a de facto ban on civilian Concealed Carry, what are your thoughts on a “trunk gun”? In accordance with NJ law, I can have an unloaded long gun, in a “secured bag or package” in my vehicle at all times. Handguns are unfortunately trickier, as we are only legally allowed to have them in our vehicle if we are going to/from a gun shop or shooting range.

 

My opinion on the idea of a trunk gun is that it’s largely worthless, in that if i have the opportunity to escape a situation to grab my rifle from the car, then i have the opportunity to escape the situation PERIOD. If i’m in a mobile situation, it’d be impossible to get to the weapon, charge it, and get it into action and ALSO if the vehicle is still mobile, then getting out of there is the #1 option.

 

Thanks for listening, and i’m thoroughly enjoying the podcast.

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Rob- I agree with you, Alan.  

Paul – School active shooter.

Gary –

Rachel – didn’t we have a DGU where the guy defended himself with a trunk gun successfully? Like Paul said…why not have the option? For daily regular carry though, find other legal options

John – In other states, if you are allowed to have a pistol in the car, this might be the case where an AR-15 pistol could come in handy. It would be essentially a PDW.

 

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David from Ohio wrote in as well

 

Dear Polite Society,

Over Easter weekend we spent time with my wife’s sister’s family on both days. Her sister let’s call K and her husband J.  J is definitely middle to the left and comes from a very liberal family so we don’t talk politics much during the holidays. Anyway, Saturday we were talking about the Brussels attack and K and J said (paraphrasing), you have guns. If there is ever an emergency, we will bring our 4 kids over to your house and you will protect us. To which I tried to play it off. Now it is important to point out that J is a doctor so having someone with medical training would be good. But neither have any knowledge of firearms or self defense so handing them a gun would just be dangerous. On Sunday J started talking about how Garland was a good pick for the Supreme Court because he is a “middle of the road” candidate. I told him I thought Garland was a horrible choice and it goes right along with Obama’s anti-gun stance. He replied that I should hope he gets the nomination because Hillary will put someone even worse in. I ended the conversation. So to recap, nominate someone who wants to take guns away. But in case of emergency, run to the person that has them for protection. After all, it’s not your responsibility to protect yourself and family. Yup, sounds liberal to me. Keep up the good work.
David from Ohio

 

Rachel- As humans, we’re all inconsistent in some way. This kind of inconsistency is easy for us to spot in others. On the positive side, maybe this inconsistency will give you an opening to soften them more to the idea of firearms ownership and use as a positive thing. Maybe they’ll eventually get training themselves to take responsibility for their own kids’ safety.


Rob- Ask them why they want to run to you and your house?
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Todd emailed in a comment about a previous episode.

 

Comment from last week’s show. The 2183 stamp is on the face of the follower; you don’t have to disassemble the mag. However, there may be another solution. I was having trouble with 124 gr HST +P in my G19. I had approx 2300 rds through the gun. I asked the local LE Glock rep about the followers and he recommended a new RSA (recoil spring assembly). He mentioned that in his experience, a new RSA fixed most feeding problems. Sure enough, that fixed my issues with the HST’s. I’m still using 2183 followers in all my CA mags.

 

Incidentally, if you simply feel like you have to replace them, give Glock a call. They will probably send you a few free of charge.

 

Todd

 

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A Text came in from JP

 

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Hey guys & gals, I have a DGU question. After you stop a home invasion and you call the police. What would you advise your family to say to the police? I know you’re suppose to say very little to the police until after I talk with my attorney but my family, what are they suppose to say? I can see how what they say may help or hurt me unintentionally in my defense.

 

Rob- same rules apply.

Rachel – GREAT point. Talk with your family ahead of time and tell them this.

Gary –

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about the messy reality of self-defense and about a few of the times armed civilians saved lives in March.  That article and more are posted at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John – It’s been a long show so I just want to point briefly out a post I did today. It is called Every Picture Tells A Story, Part V. It shows the growth of shall issue and permitless carry since 1986. Look at the charts. We are winning.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rachel: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 371 Brussels Terror Attacks

 

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- News Segment

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday March 24th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the Muslim attacks in Brussels Belgium.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our Defensive Gun Use stories, a landscaper walked into a building to face an active murderer.. so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 371 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Carried every day. Got to meet with friend of the show, Doctor John Edeen.  Posted the next episode of Self Defense Gun Stories.  We had our 2000th download.

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

http://www.firearmsafetyinstitute.com/

 

Rob- Do you get requests for advanced training?

Rob- So the only time they will want a gun is when the police are not there?  That is too late.

 

Paul/Susan

http://gogetfunding.com/fellow-advocate-needs-your-help/

http://www.concealmentsolutions.com/

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Live promo – Concealment Solutions deal of the day.

 

2- News

 

Brussels Terrorist Attacks

Once again, citizens of Western civilization have felt the barbaric sting of Islamic terrorism. In Brussels, Belgium, the capital of the European Union, three or more powerful bombs ripped through airport check-in areas and a subway station. Thirty four people died and two hundred and fifty were injured, many of them seriously by the shrapnel loaded bombs. There is a possibility that the attacks specifically targeted Americans as the American embassy is near the subway station and the airport bombs were located near the counters of nation’s airlines. Families of American servicemen and missionaries were injured in the attack and there are still Americans among the missing. In an official release, ISIS quickly claimed credit for the rush-hour attacks. It is thought that two of the bomber remain at large and could be hiding in the many large Muslim enclaves throughout Europe.

The staff of the Polite Society Podcast certainly express our sincere condolences to the citizens of the many nations affected by the attacks. However, we must point out some harsh facts: The Muslim extremists responsible for the attacks were freely admitted and fostered by the leaders of the nation they turned on. The same leaders have been doing their very best to disarm their citizens, making them helpless in the face of the threats their leaders allowed. European politicians have created a danger that their ideology forbids responding to effectively. They have also ensured that their citizens cannot defend their lives in this de facto guerrilla war – and their governments can not or will not defend them. It will be the people that suffer – their leaders will most certainly escape what they have wrought.

As Americans, we must recognize the dangerous similarity to our situation. Our leaders are admitting a host of unverified refugees and have effectively opened our borders to all. At the time of the attacks, Obama was in Cuba, making nice to Communists who in saner times were listed as state sponsors of terrorism. He was quick to damn any call for additional actions against the hostile Islamic elements festering on American soil. And our political leaders on the left are certainly hostile to the arms that could defend the people against enemies foreign and domestic.   

This is one of the very reasons our Founding Fathers specifically acknowledged the right to keep and bear arms in the Constitution. And why we must fight so hard to maintain that right. Our elites may not – probably will not – be there for us.   

Rob- Muslim terrorists turned to using bombs once they faced guns from armed citizens.

 

England Puts Every Firearm Owner in a Terrorist Database
The British government demanded the personal details from every single person with access to firearms and put them in a database with known terrorists. All those with access to firearms have had their personal data transmitted to the police. The information is then run through the Police National Computer, local force intelligence databases, the Police National Database (to look up the history of properties associated with that person), and Special Branch’s records. There is no oversight of what happens to the personal data once it is in the police’s hands. More than 1 in 65 of the entire UK population is now on a state database alongside known terrorists.


This excess is the natural consequence of a surveillance society, where the law abiding are subject to ever increasing levels of examination and control. However, those outside the law, the criminals who are the actual problem, are relatively untouched. It is always far easier for the government to control those who do not need to be controlled. Think about that when yet another law is proposed to more tightly track and control the lawful firearm owner, ignoring the real threat.

 

Rob-

 

Professor Freaks Out When She Spots Guns

A professor at the University of North Dakota went into her safe space and panicked in fear when she spotted two figures in camouflaged uniforms with guns outside her classroom. Cowering beneath her desk, she called 911 —  and was told it was just ROTC cadets performing a scheduled exercise. Her relief turned to rage when informed the ROTC would be exercising on campus for the next couple of weeks .

 

In a rather overblown, poorly written letter to the editor, the associate professor of English said she’ll be “calling 911 for the next couple weeks—and I will. Every time. It’s not my job to decide whether people carrying guns at school are an actual threat.” The special snowflake called the ROTC’s actions highly inappropriate and irresponsible. She fumed that ‘We’re already under financial and emotional attack. We don’t need to feel under physical attack, too.”

 

If she does unnecessarily call 911 in the coming weeks, we hope UND authorities take appropriate action. Somehow, we doubt if they will.

 

Paul – This is funny, but incredibly sad. This woman is partially responsible for teaching our young people.

Rob- This behavior reveals a very immature adult.  I can’t condone her overwrought outrage masked by her academic credentials.

Gary –

 

Rob –

 

Throw to break at end of discussion

 

2nd News


Win For the Second Amendment and Non Gun Arms

In a unanimous decision, the Supreme Court has extended the Heller and McDonald decision to arms that are not firearms. In 2011, Jaime Caetano was convicted of having a stun gun in her purse. She was carrying the stun gun because an abusive ex-boyfriend had put her in the hospital and was continuing to harass her at her place of employment despite several restraining orders. The case made it to the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts, who ruled the conviction must stand because a stun gun is not the type of weapon that is eligible for Second Amendment protection. Massachusetts considered stun guns as dangerous and unusual modern weapons that were not in common use at the time of the Second Amendment enactment.

The Supreme Court’s 8-0 decision strongly rebuked the Massachusetts court for its flawed reasoning.  They ruled that judgment is inconsistent with Heller‘s clear statement that the Second Amendment extends to arms that were not in existence at the time of the founding. The Supreme Court vacated that judgment and ordered the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts to rehear the case.

 

In the strongly worded opinion signed by Justices Alito and Thomas states that “The Commonwealth of Massachusetts was either unable or unwilling to do what was necessary to protect Jaime Caetano, so she was forced to protect herself. To make matters worse, the Commonwealth chose to deploy its prosecutorial resources to prosecute and convict her of a criminal offense for arming herself with a nonlethal weapon that may well have saved her life. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court then affirmed her conviction on the flimsiest of grounds. According to author Alito, “If the fundamental right of self-defense does not protect Caetano, then the safety of all Americans is left to the mercy of state authorities who may be more concerned about disarming people than about keeping them safe.”

Well said, Justice Alito — well said.  

 

Rob- NY knife laws.

 

Supremes Decline to Hear Case on Carrying in Post Office
It’s not all good news from the US Supreme Court: a case challenging the US Postal Service’s ban on guns in their buildings and parking lots will not be heard by the Court. The Colorado case backed by the NRA, Firearms Owners Against Crime and Firearms Industry Consulting Group was denied, effectively making the parking lot ban the law of the land. It is now up to Congress to address this pressing issue.

 

Rob-  It is amazing that you can exercise your first amendment rights in a post office, but not your second amendment rights.  Not even in the parking lot.  Any you don’t have a choice but to use this government monopoly.

 

Obama’s Supreme Court Nominee Has Anti-Gun Rights Record

Judge Merrick Garland, nominated by Obama to fill the Supreme Court vacancy, apparently has a very weak record on the Second Amendment. In the past, he has upheld a Clinton administration effort to store gun-buyers’ records. He also attempted to reconsider the landmark case that would eventually become Heller, which eventually established the Second Amendment’s protection of a personal right to bear arms.

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Garland is probably the most anti-gun Supreme Court nomination in decades, according to  Brian Rogers, executive director of a conservative group conducting opposition research on the Judge. Other conservative groups are poring over Judge Garland’s 19-year record on the D.C. court and are saying he will likely take a decidedly liberal view on issues such as abortion, the environment and executive authority. The Wall Street Journal has opposed Garland’s nomination on the grounds that he is a friend of big labor and regulators, not small businesses.

It is important that supporters of the Second Amendment contact their US Senators and demand that Garland’s nomination not be acted upon. Urge them to stand on the same principles that Obama, Biden and Reid once espoused. It is essential that Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell not be given the chance to roll-over once again.  

 

Gun Quotes

Every study on crime and or firearms proves time and time again, that 99.99999% of American gun owners do not commit crimes or use our firearms in any dangerous or improper way.

Ted Nugent

 

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3- Interview 1- not this week

 

4- Interview 2- not this week

 

5- DGUs

Saved by another employee– Joseph Curry drove up to the Jacksonville, Florida landscape company where he worked.  People were running from the building yelling that another employee was shooting people inside.  Curry got out of his car and stepped into the building with his gun.  That is when Curry met the armed attacker holding a pistol in his hands.  Evidently the attacker’s gun had jammed, and the attacker was heading outside to get a baseball bat from his truck.

 

Curry told the attacker to drop the gun.  The attacker saw Curry’s gun.  The attacker dropped his gun and ran. Curry let him go.   The attacker was arrested by police a few blocks away.

 

Rob- stopped mass murder?  No shots fired.  Hard to know where your shots might end up.

 

Thief is Shot And Killed – Relatives Defend Him:  How’s he gonna get his money?
This story is an unfortunate commentary on our society: a young thief lost his life burglarizing a home and his relatives were quick to justifying his actions, asking how he’s gonna get his money?  

A 53-year-old woman was alerted to a home break-in by her security system. Arriving before the cops, she saw Trevon Johnson, 17, climbing from the rear of her house. An altercation ensued, and the licensed concealed carrier shot and killed the alleged thief. Police said the homeowner was taken to a police station for questioning and is cooperating with detectives.

 

The shooting has been divisive in the community. Johnson’s relatives were very vocal in their defense of his actions. His cousin Nautika Harris said, “He was not supposed to die like this. He had a future ahead of him. Trevon had goals… “What’s wrong with her,” demanded Johnson’s sister Nisha Johnson. “She did not have to shoot him.” “You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood,” said Harris. “You have to understand… how he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school?” Expressing similar sentiments, the Washington Post published an article all but demanding her arrest.  The article incorrectly compared Johnson’s shooting to the Trayvon Martin shooting.

The state’s attorney’s office must now decide if it will file charges against the homeowner. Florida does provide protections for its homeowners who confront intruders.  

It’s a sad situation all around. We remind our listeners that a self-defense shooting is just that; it’s not acceptable to shoot to defend property. However, the homeowner may well have been justified if the burglar made a threatening move toward her. However, the local social norms are damning her regardless of the actual situation. We must all be aware of these dynamics.    

 

Seeking Revenge, an Intruder Gets Only a Bullet

Seeking revenge on his old lover, a man broke into a Macon, Georgia area home.  However, he only got a bullet. Police found the woman’s brother in the backyard pointing a gun at a prone man dressed in all black. Blake Elliot Herman, 34, had entered the home using a key possibly stolen from the woman’s purse. The brother heard a noise from his sister’s room; opening the door he saw a man in the doorway. The two fought and Herman broke free, running out of the backdoor with the brother on his heels. During the chase, the brother claims Herman reached into his pocket. Thinking the man held a gun, he fired in fear of his life.

The man in black was hit in the leg. Herman will be charged with burglary when he is released from the hospital. The brother was not injured and no one else was at home.  

Brother With Gun: 1 — Jilted Ninja: 0

 

Rob- Why do you chase a fleeing suspect?

Teen burglars greeted by gunfire Near Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
Four teenaged burglars entered a Pittsburgh Pennsylvania area home late one night. Two of the thieves were shot by the man living in the house. This being the 21st Century, the occupant and one of the thieves immediately posted about the altercation on Facebook.

A wounded 13-year-old suspect was found a half mile away, collapsed and bleeding. The other wounded 16-year-old suspect was found nearby. Their two similarly aged accomplices escaped, but returned to the scene to watch the police and were arrested there. One of those cherubs posted a live Facebook video from the back of a police cruiser where he was heard insulting police and talking about how the others were shot. Not to be outdone, the 21-year-old burglary victim posted on Facebook “Thank God for the right to bear arms” and “I kept my house safe” and “took all six shots out of my little .380 to keep my family safe.”  The four young idiots were taken to a juvenile detention facility. The 21-year-old resident hasn’t been charged. Police say he may have had a right to defend himself under the state’s Castle Doctrine.

Training, people; get some. It may save you from doing, saying, or, dog forbid, posting something stupid.  

A Baylor student loses only his cellphone, a PlayStation and an iPad
In another of our Cavalcade of Idiots, a Baylor University student was extremely lucky to lose only his cellphone, PlayStation and iPad. He met two men to finish a Craigslist deal to sell his electronics. The two told him they needed to go to a nearby home to get the money for the purchase. Driving to a house in the student’s car, the two drew guns when the trunk was opened to display the merchandise. Somehow having the foresight to have secreted a gun in the trunk, the student drew and forced the thieves to run off with their loot of electronics. One thief turned and fired, hitting the car. Waco and Baylor officers were still searching for the two suspects.

Brains, people; get some.

Rob- This student may have been disarmed because he lived in a gun free zone on his college campus.

 

Woman Saves Her Life With a .357

JoShanda Odems heard an insistent knocking on her Nashville area apartment door shortly before noon. Smartly using only the peephole, she saw a man she did not recognize. She retreated to a bedroom closet and called 911. She also grabbed a .357 revolver, an act that just may have saved her life.  

The man broke into the apartment, and when he came to the closet where Odems was hiding, she put the 911 operator on hold — and shot the intruder. Trenton Hartman, 24, showed up at a local hospital sporting a probably really impressive gunshot wound to his shoulder.  Hartman has been charged with aggravated burglary, with a bond set at $100,000. He was already free on bond for a felony theft charge involving stolen lottery tickets.

 

Gee, Shannon Watts, do you think that gun might have empowered that woman – and saved her life?  

 

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Before we get to the email discussion, I want to ask a few things. First PLEASE keep emailing, calling, and texting! The email address is onair@politicsandguns.com. The Phone number to text or call to leave a voicemail is 605-215-1438. We really do need more feedback. It has been 2 weeks since we recorded last and we only have a few emails and no voice mail or texts. I often say kiddingly that I will read spaghetti recipes if we don’t have listener feedback well guess what? (rattle some paper) I have some ready!

 

Also please if you want your email read on the air email it to onair@politicsandguns.com, not to Paul. I get a TON of email every day, and I do try to go through it when I am working on show notes and see if there were any that are supposed to be read on the air, but the chances of me missing it is really good.

 

Finally it came up in a recent show where I asked how many grains were in a chevy. A friend texted me and told me that if you had a large compact or small mid sized sedan (4500 lbs) that you are driving about 31.5 million grains of automobile.

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Comment off of the website

 

Thanks for the show. Great info, as usual.

As to the gentleman who commented about not being able to draw his weapon while riding his motorcycle; Paul was pretty spot on… at that point evasion is your best bet. As a rider, you must always be in the “defensive” mindset. Even the smallest car is several times your mass, and has a hard candy shell to boot. Irritating another driver is a very good way to get an up close and painful demonstration of several immutable laws of physics.

I have been riding for many years, and shooting for many more, but I cannot foresee a time when one would ever have to defend oneself while motoring down the road on a bike. Your assailant would merely have to wait until you put yourself in a ditch while trying to steer, aim and fire.

For that matter, I cannot imagine a good reason to do so in a car, either.

Be careful out there,

God Bless,

Ed

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/local/100193390-story

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Jake from Iowa wrote in:

 

I just wanted to share with you guys my own excitement over a resounding legislative win in Iowa.  Iowa Senate recently passed HF2279, a suppressor legalization bill that also mandates a CLEO sign-off if a candidate is not prohibited from possessing a firearm.  It passed by an incredible 46-4 margin, and when it was passed by the house some time ago, it passed by a similarly impressive 74-24 margin.  It’s not officially law yet, but soon it’s off to the governor to sign, and there are indications that he will sign it, so I’m optimistic!

 

I’m also wondering if any of the cast are also buying an AR or two now that the prices are back down – I recently found an irresistible deal on a little 16″ carbine, and I have it well set-up with a free-float handguard, Vortex Sparc II red-dot, and Magpul MBUS sights, and the whole setup will be brand new and under $900, which is pretty hard to beat.  I’m skeptical they’ll ever get much lower than they are now, so I’m gonna build my dream gun (or guns) now!

 

Enjoying the show as always,

– Jake from Iowa

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Jerry wrote in again:

 

Thank you for addressing my question on appendix carry.

 

We always talk about shooting your carry ammo. Last week I shot several rounds of my carry 9 mm hollow point and found that they often fail to feed in my Glock 19 when the magazine is nearly empty or the slide lock is released. The bullet hangs up on the feed ramp due the the angle of the follower. A little Internet research suggests that the 10 round magazines with a follower stamped “2183” are known to have a feed problem, especially with hollow point cartridges. New followers are less than $4 and perhaps can be obtained free from Glock.

 

For years my Glock ate everything jacketed I fed it without complaints. From now on I will periodically shoot my carry ammo, and at least a full magazine each time. Fortunately I found the problem at the range not on the street. I’m guessing the click of an unexpectedly empty chamber is one of the loudest sounds a gun makes.

 

Thanks!

https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?8902-how-bad-do-10-round-glock-19-magazines-suck/page3

http://s6.photobucket.com/user/G2034/media/Follower.jpg.html

 

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Pat sent the next one:

 

Hello all,

 

I often hear people lament that all they hear about the candidates are the media soundbites that they are spoon fed along with a desire to find out more real details about the candidates positions and records. I wanted to introduce you to a website that I have supported for many years where there is a wealth of information on major and minor candidates.  Positions, voting records, ratings by a range of special interest groups and much more.  I have found it to be a very unbiased source of information.

Check out www.votesmart.org.

Really like the podcasts, in particular the news and DGU segments.  I had the pleasure of meeting Charlie Foxtrot at a Patriots Day Appleseed event in Missouri.  He really can turn a phrase.

I am very much looking forward to attending the MAG40 this May in Sioux Falls.  I hope that I will get a chance to meet in person a few of the people I listen to each week.

Pat

 

I wrote about rating sites here-

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/21/it-takes-minutes-to-judge-the-candidates/

Paul – www.wallbuilders.org

www.votesmart.org.

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Ida sent in our final email/

 

How can I find local beginner training in Georgia?  I occasionally go to a great Gun range, Governors Club, but I can’t find training like the courses you talk about.  It seems they are all out of state which is not an option for me.  Seems crazy I can’t find training when it seems just about everyone has a gun out here in the country.

Thanks

Ida

http://www.nrainstructors.org/search.aspx

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Rob- ?? http://www.usacarry.com/directory/category/firearm-instructors/georgia-firearm-instructors/

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote how California laws target honest gun owners  That and more are posted at Clash Daily, on  Ammoland and on my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2016/03/hydraulic-tests.html

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Episode 370 – West Virginia Gets Permitless Carry

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/370.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment Kieth Morgan WVCDL:

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, March 10th, 2016. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Keith Morgan from the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Bloomberg’s decision not to run for President.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and West Virginia has constitutional carry.. again.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s an 8 year old calls his dad.. to report a robbery in progress.. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 370 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- carried every day.  Made political donations, including SAF and CPRC.

 

John – I have been fighting a cold since last week. Today was the first day I actually met with clients again. I hope my voice will survive the podcast!

 

I did encourage a client this morning who wants to get both into target shooting and get his NC CHP. In the healthcare field you have to be so careful about what you say given the number of anti’s so it is a relief when a client says the right “code words” and you can discuss handgun options for a new(er) shooter.

 

Rachel

  • back’s better, groups are worse. Really glad for a great instructor who figured stuff out over email.
  • Texas Law Shield seminar at Cabela’s in Buda….2nd Tuesday of every month, 6:30-8:30. Free legal advice!
  • LTC classes – Waco March 20, Austin March 26. Also doing private coaching.

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

 

Paul/Susan – Susan and I went out shooting subcompacts to see what she wants for her next carry gun.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News

 

Bloomberg Will Not Run For President
In a rare moment of lucidity, anti-gun gadfly Michael “Big Gulp” Bloomberg has indeed gulped and decided he will not run for president. His aides predicted a Bloomberg independent ticket could only be competitive on the Left Coast, Florida and the North East. Writing in his Bloomberg View opinion website, he lamented that even if he won the most popular votes (as if that was even remotely possible), he could not win the necessary electoral college votes. The once self-described Republican New Yorker (sound familiar?) stated “There is a good chance that my candidacy could lead to the election of Donald Trump or Senator Ted Cruz. That is not a risk I can take in

 

good conscience.” Unfortunately, he seems quite willing to risk a Hillary presidency.  

 

It should be noted that Bloomberg’s presidential pronouncements were remarkably free of his usual anti-gun rantings. Perhaps ‘iz ‘oner has grasped that the anti-gun stance is a losing one, even as he urges others to preach gun-control. It does seem very likely that Bloomberg will continue to try to influence the elections through his financing of anti-gun candidates and platforms. We can only wish him continued failure.  

 

Paul : Bloomie looked at a bit of history and realised that he didn’t want to be Ross Perot and this time hand the presidency to the Republicans. Look for this to be a bit soon should Hillary actually be indicted.

 

John – I prefer to think of him as the Ralph Nader of year 2016. Nader took just enough votes away from Al Gore in certain states that George W. Bush won. Of course, Gore’s pro-gun control stance didn’t help either.

 

Rob- Hillary will not be indicted.

 

West Virginia Will Have Constitutional Carry!

The West Virginia legislature wasted no time in overriding Governor Tomblin’s veto of the Constitutional Carry bill. In a combined 87-44 vote, the legislators overwhelmingly supported the very popular permitless carry bill, far exceeding the simple majority required. The bill will now become law in 90 days. Then, West Virginia will become the 8th Constitutional Carry state.

The Democrat governor and many of the state’s law enforcement officials cried big crocodile tears over the lack of weapons training in the bill. The media tried to hype the fear of untrained civilians and predicted the usual rivers of blood in the streets. The public and the legislators obviously looked at the peaceful record of the seven preceding Constitutional Carry states, and rejected those alarmist fears. Acknowledging the desirability of training, the bill authorizes a $50 tax credit for anyone getting permit type training. The bill also increased the criminal penalties for using a gun and for felons in possession of a firearm. Sounds like a great, hardheaded and effective anti-crime bill to us.  

We congratulate the citizens of West Virginia!

 


Paul – West Virginia has firearms preemption laws.  The state does not have arms preemption laws.  That means cities can make up laws and arrest you for your pocket knife.  New bills are in the West Virginia legislature to protect honest knife owners.

 

Rob- it isn’t the knife laws alone, it is also the enhanced sentencing you might receive if you have a knife in your possession.  Suppose you went out with friends so you deliberately left your gun at home.  The designated driver is sober, but a frustrated policeman says one of the passengers was carrying a knife, “a lethal weapon” while intoxicated.  Unfortunately, we’ve seen too many police departments fishing for cash on the backs of honest citizens.

 

Rachel- Governor Earl Ray Tomblin issued a statement expressing unfounded concern for law enforcement safety. He doesn’t seem to prioritize rights or safety of citizens.

 

John – According to the American Knife and Tool Institute, the WV law will allow you to carry a knife open or concealed IF you are 21 or above but like Paul & Rob say, local knife laws are a problem.. They are also working on a Federal law entitled the Knife Owner’s Protection Act which would also transport of knives between jurisdictions where they are legal to own. It would work similar to the way the FOPA *should* work.

 

MICHIGAN FORCES NEW OBLIGATIONS ON FIREARMS OWNERS

Michigan senator Coleman Young II (the second) introduced a bill demanding that gun owners carry 100 thousand dollars in liability insurance. The bill excludes all public officials like mayors, city councils, police officers, deputies, probation officers, wardens, bailiffs, judges, prison guards, animal control officers, and even meter readers.  It also exempts legislative security details, both on the job and off. The bill also establishes a new tax on gun owners who pay the insurance fee.

Rob= The liability insurance is specific to Michigan, so your nationwide self-defense policy doesn’t count.  This is also another fine that will be charged to out of state gun owners if they are stopped by the Michigan police.  Legislators make laws for them and separate laws that apply to us.  

 

(A Little) Rationality in California

Even in the fever-pit of California, reason can sometimes rear its beautiful head. The Folsom Cordova Unified School District has admitted that certain, select staff members are allowed to possess guns on campus. As the superintendent stated; “The safety of our students, staff, and families is our number one priority, and our narrow practice of allowing select, law-abiding employees to securely store and access a firearm in the event of an emergency is a legal and appropriate safety measure given the unfortunate reality of violence in our society today.” The approved staff are checked and trained to a higher standard than the state’s CCW carriers.  

 

This ability to effectively defend the children has been in place for six years without a problem. It remains to be seen if such an intelligent policy will be allowed to remain in California “education” system.  

 

Rob- Folsom is near Sacramento.. And miles away.

 

Ohio Sheriff says put armed staff and officers on campus-  A 14 year old boy brought a gun to school and injured two students.  That is certainly a sad event.  What is remarkable is the response by Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones.  The Sheriff said,  “You’d better have a school resource officer in your schools. If you don’t…parents, you should demand it. Teachers, you should demand it. …You’d better have armed security in the schools. My school resource officer was there and prevented this from being worse, since the kid ran out the door as soon as the resource officer arrived. He didn’t stay in and keep shooting.”

 

Rachel-If one armed resource officer is good, multiple armed, prepared, responsible teachers and staff are even better in the quest to keep our children safe.

Rob- Amen!

 

Gun Quotes-  The greatest danger to American Freedom is a government that ignores the constitution- Thomas Jefferson

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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3- Interview 1

Keith Morgan, President, WV Citizens Defense League

 

-Tell us about your good news!

Constitutional Carry effective June 5 for anyone 21 and over who is not prohibited from firearms possession. Prohibited places include schools. Private property owners may ask you to leave;

-What do WV residents (and travelers) need to know about the Constitutional Carry in WV?

Started in 2007 as response to

-What were carry laws before WVCDL and what have your members accomplished?

Passed 15 laws since 2013 – open carry in woods; statewide preemption; Constitutional Carry

– What were the obstacles this session?

5 lies repeated in media: start preemptively countering these in your state.

    • Officer Safety. Officer training teaches officers to assume citizens are carrying. CC may guard against complacency which gets officers killed.
    • “They’re gonna let anybody carry a gun.” Drug dealers, domestic abusers, etc. are still prohibited from possession and thus prohibited from legal carry
    • “Training requirements saves lives.” Compare data on negligent and accidental shootings. Differences are negligible per CDC data

 

  • Abolishing the licensing system. License remains in place and an option.
  • We already have open carry, so why do we need constitutional carry.

 

Biggest opposition was from WV sheriffs.  The sheriffs use the license fees as a slush fund.

 (Sounds like Florida.) Or North Carolina with pistol purchase permits.

– What elected officials do we need to thank? Leadership. Senator Bill Cole, Charlie Trump, Tim Armstead, Josh Nelson

 

– What’s next?

 

4-

 

5- DGUs

 

1- Home invasion Birmingham Alabama  An 8 year old boy named DJ arrived home a few minutes early from school.  DJ let himself in the house.  A few minutes later, DJ heard three young men trying to get in the house through the front door.  DJ ran upstairs.  He also hid under his bed, called his dad, and then called police.  DJ’s dad usually meets him when he comes home from school, so his dad was already on the way home when he got DJ’s call.

 

The father was already armed when he arrived home.  The homeowner found three young men in their 20’s inside his home.  He shot one of them and the other two escaped.  Police arrived moments later.

 

Chief Deputy Randy Christian of birmingham ala. said “ There are.. activities in this life that increase your chances of losing yours. Kicking in a door and entering someone’s home with criminal intent is one of them. Thank God this little boy and his dad are ok.”  The couple lived in the home for 10 years.  Now their son wants to move.

 

Rob- Fire exit from upstairs?

 

2-Realtor meets thieves in an unoccupied  home.  A realtor in Nashville, Tennessee was looking for a home to buy.  He and his wife entered this newly built home.. to find out that they were not alone.  Two men had pried open the back door and were ransacking the upstairs.  

 

The realtor put his hand on his gun, but did not draw it.  That was when a thief with gang tattoos on his neck and hands came down stairs.  The husband and wife made small talk and said they were going to look at the back yard.

 

That is where the realtor called police.  The two thieves had left by the time police arrived.  The officer said that many of the new homes had been broken into.

 

Elderly couple attacked by two men in their 20s– It was a little after 8:30 in the evening.  A 65 year old man and his wife were walking home from their business in the Queen Village neighborhood of Philadelphia.  The couple had lived there for 40 years.  They passed two young men on their walk.  One of the men said “What are you looking at?”  The couple stepped back, but moments later the two young men attacked them.  The old man was knocked down and kicked.  The old woman was hit as well.  From the ground, the old man drew his licensed firearm and shot his two attackers.

 

The elderly man was taken to the hospital with cuts and bruises on his face, head, neck and chest.  The two young men went to the hospital with gunshot wounds and are in stable condition.

 

Rob- It is hard to present a gun when you’re laying on your back.

 

John – Violent criminal actors can be set off by virtually anything. In this case, one of the young men thought he was justified in attacking as he was “dissed”.

 

Paul – Kathy Jackson complacency post

 

Robbed at a corner store in downtown Philadelphia.  This second story also happened in Philadelphia.  A driver and his passenger stopped their car at a corner convenience store at 5:30 in the evening.  The driver was first approached by a man selling drugs.  The driver ignored the seller, and the seller went away.  A group of men then moved toward the car and surrounded the vehicle.  One of the group lay across the hood of the car.   A man opened the car door from the outside.  The driver saw he had a gun tucked into his waistband.  The driver then presented his own firearm and shot the intruder.  The two people in the car drove away, called police, and returned to the scene.  They met uniformed police and told them what happened.  The driver has a permit to legally carry a firearm.  The intruder was shot four times, twice in each leg.

 

Rob- selling drugs is called a clue.

 

Robber shot after failed home invasion  A couple heard a man pound on their front door just after midnight.  The visitor claimed he needed help and needed to use the phone.  Once the couple opened their front door, the stranger pushed his way into the home and presented his firearm.  The intruder gathered items to steal while he held the young man and women who lived in the home at gunpoint.  The robber moved them from room to room, and the male homeowner picked up his own gun.  The homeowner shot the robber.  The robber ran outside.

 

There were several recent robberies in the area by a man who fit this physical description.

Family shoots and kills escaped murderer holding them hostage

Forgive us if this sounds like the plot to a bad TV movie, but a mother and father shot and killed an escaped murder suspect holding them and their child hostage.  The Vicksburg-area family’s nightmare started early in the morning when the man was surprised at his car by Rafael McCloud, 34. McCloud had been running from the law for more than a week after escaping from the Warren County Jail, where he was being held as a capital murder suspect. He had put a jailhouse shank to the throat of a guard to make his escape.  

 

It seems the same shank was used to force the fleeing felon’s way into the house, where he tied up the man and his wife – and then stabbed the man and repeatedly struck the woman on the head. The man got free and then opened fire along with his wife, hitting and killing McCloud.  The husband was taken to the hospital with minor injuries, his wife and child were uninjured.  

 

McCloud was in jail on suspicion in the 2015 death of Sharon Wilson, 69. He had been indicted on charges of capital murder, sexual battery, rape, arson, home invasion, being a felon in possession of a firearm and grand larceny auto theft. Wilson’s body was found by ghost hunters at the abandoned Kuhn Hospital in Vicksburg.

 

There are some very bad people out there. Stay alert – stay armed – and stay dangerous.

 

Boy Carjacker Shot

In North Miami Beach, a boy barely in his teens played an adult game and paid an adult price. The alleged criminal was one of four youths that approached a car stopped at a light in the midnight hour. The passenger saw a revolver in a thug’s hands and fired two shots through the car’s closed window. The boy was hit in the abdomen and was airlifted to a hospital emergency room. He is expected to survive. His accomplices ran away.

The woman driver wisely moved the car a short distance away, the police were called, and the pair remained near the scene awaiting the authorities. Police found the boy, said to be a runaway, still lying on the pavement. When he recovers, he will be charged with attempted carjacking with a firearm. The passenger is not expected to be charged. Detectives said he was afraid for his life and was protecting himself and his girlfriend.

It may seem unjustly harsh to shoot a mere boy, but once that boy had decided on a dangerous criminal act, the boy’s age became irrelevant. He chose to commit an adult crime and therefore risk the adult consequences. We do hope that the bullet hole becomes a turning point in his life.  

 

John – In the great line from My Cousin Vinny, “these yutes”.

Rachel- This is the kind of scenario we need to think through before it happens. If our lives were being threatened by a young teen, and deadly force is legally justified, what is morally justifiable in our own personal codes? You don’t want to hesitate in a life or death situation because you haven’t considered something this important.

John – Rachel brings up great points. Many drug dealers use 13-14 year olds because they will be tried in the juvie system.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Text message #1 and #2

 

i@x0* @Ref 368 lol did I just hear someone blow their nose? Today’s Sesame Street was brought to you by the word mute.

I will be buying the book, I have a niece

i@x0*!@ that has told her dad she wants to carry concealed by her 21st birthday. This will supplement the cornered cat blog, and Massad’s book

Oh forgot this Chuck from kansas

 

Absolutely you can use a tool bag, very durable, love my TUFF bag.

Chuck from Kansas

 

CF – I use a 10 dollar Husky tool bag from Home Despot. It’s lasted alot longer than my high dollar Midway range bag. Although, it’s sadly lacking in Tacticool. But then again, so am I.  

 

Text Message #3

Hey guys and gals I enjoy your show. 1st questions is what grain 9m ammo do you suggest for self defense?

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/#9mm

 

  1. I have been shopping around for self defense coverage but there are a lot pick from. What I’m not interested in are the ones that will reimburse you. Other than Armed Citizens Defense League I heard one of the co-host on a past show mention he had CCW Safe. How has that worked out for him?

 

Thanks

JP

 

Second call defense

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Rachel: Texas Law Shield for Texans – get a discount code (there are lots; mine is “ttti”)

US law shield for the rest of us

 

This week’s email

 

Hi everyone,

I am looking for some advice on adopting the motorcycle life without hurting my pewpew life!
I bought a bike over the winter but have not yet purchased any protective riding gear. Have any advice or know a resource for best ways to carry while on a bike and with gear on? I’m not afraid to open carry; unless it’s raining!

I’ve been carrying a gun for about five years now and am a big fan of OWB strong side holsters with a thumb break.

Follow up discussion:
It was also recently brought to my attention that I wouldn’t be able to use the gun in my right hand while holding the accelerator since it is on the right side of the handlebars. This could be a major concern if I were to become a mobile DGU on the open road. I guess that means I need to practice left hand use for riding? I appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks again for everything you all do for us.
-Clayton

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We have a comment off of our website we would like to share as well.

 

I’m a week behind on this comment but at nearly 3 hours(!) it took me a while to get through this whole podcast. Another very educational show and worth the time investment.

A couple of thoughts inspired by the Kathy Jackson interview. In terms of the importance of gun trainers being good communicators, SHE PRACTICES WHAT SHE PREACHES!!! I saw her one time live, at the Tactical Conference in Memphis, and she gave not just the best presentation there, but one of the best presentations I’ve ever heard anywhere. Unfortunately, it has been in gun classes that I have been subjected to some of the worst presentations also. So people in the gun training industry or community should take her advice.

Speaking of the gun training industry, the idea of certifying gun trainers is an interesting one. We see Kathy Jackson doing it, the Second Amendment Foundation has established a training arm, the Association of Defensive Shooting Instructors, the National Association of Certified Firearms Instructors, the USCCA. These are all interesting responses to the proliferation of gun trainers and training, the public’s desire to know that their trainers know what they are talking about, and the gun training industry’s desire to regulate itself beyond what the NRA does. If y’all have any thoughts about this development in firearms training, I’d be interested in hearing them. (Or if you’ve already discussed, can you reference the episode?)

 

http://bearingarms.com/crybully-james-yeager-responds-tactical-response-negligent-discharge/

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I reposted an article by Travis Beck.  He wrote about teaching your children about firearms.  I also posted the first four episodes of the Self-Defense Gun Stories podcast.  625 downloads.  Now I have to find a few thousand more listeners.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John- Nothing major this week. I have a few new posts up which can be found at  only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Keith Morgan for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.