Lax Data Security at NAGR

By John Richardson and Paul Lathrop

 

On Friday evening we were contacted by Jeff Hulsey, a retired gunsmith from the Gulf Coast region of Texas. Jeff had a problem. Starting back in August of 2013 He began receiving emails at his personal email inbox, which is through the popular Gmail domain, that it did not appear were intended for him.

The emails were from the National Association for Gun Rights, a Colorado based 501c4 organization with the stated purpose of “Educating gun owners and gun rights’ supporters in gun rights issues both at the local and federal level”.

Jeff provided an email that he had redacted the identifying information from. The information, such as email address of the sender and the sender’s telephone number as well as any other information of a personal nature provided in the body of the email seemed to be forwarded from inside the organization. At the top of the email sent to us was a one word sentence. “Rebuttal?”

sample3-NAGR

To Jeff, this looked like a simple mistake. It looked like someone had the wrong email address and was forwarding him email incorrectly. He tried to contact NAGR and got no response. He has since received about one email a month from them following the same pattern.

What concerns Jeff is the fact that even though he is trying to point out the fairly obvious error that they are making that they are leaking personal information to an unknown source. We asked Jeff if these emails were truly unsolicited. He replied, “Absolutely unsolicited. The only dealings I’ve ever had with the NAGR were to score a couple of stickers for the side of my toolbox. I’m not even a member.”

When asked if the rest of the emails looked like the email he provided to us he stated, “Yes. It’s random questions from people who visited their “Contact Us” page, then forwarded by someone within their organization for follow-up or review. Some of them contain some very specific personal information, like the USPS worker who details which facility he works at in pursuit of an answer to a legal question.”

The privacy policy listed on website for NAGR states in part that “We have put in place appropriate physical, electronic, and managerial procedures to safeguard and help prevent unauthorized access, maintain data security, and correctly use the information we collect online.”

Jeff has tried to get NAGR to correct this situation with no results. He’s gone to his local Better Business Bureau hoping that they could get NAGR to fix this situation with similar results. Out of his frustration over the situation, he is going public with it in the hopes that Dudley Brown and NAGR can get their act together. More importantly, he says that “NAGR needs to come clean on this and admit to fumbling private data, and openly implement measures to prevent it from happening again. Scrubbing my email from their lists isn’t good enough. They need to go through every email they’ve been forwarding mail to, every list they maintain, and make sure each email on that list belongs there.”

We agree.

The National Association for Gun Rights wants to be considered a major player on the gun rights front. At least that is what you are led to believe from the daily emails that they are sending out to what must be millions on their email lists. Of course, for those of us who know better, it is just spam.

An outgrowth of Dudley Brown’s Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, they have started to try and insert themselves into the gun politics of states other than Colorado. This is often in opposition to groups like the NRA and state-level gun rights organizations.

Privacy and data security is a serious issue and needs to be taken seriously. If NAGR wants to be taken seriously, they need to do something about this issue and sooner than later.

We attempted to get in touch with NAGR both through their website and through a Facebook message. As of the time we went public with this story we had only gotten return messages from the Facebook message. About 4 hours after we sent the message we received a link from them pointing to their privacy policy. No other commentary was provided. A return message was sent stating that it was they themselves that were violating their policy. We received a one word reply. “Huh?”

 

Screenshot_2014-04-19-18-38-49

Frank Fiamingo and Kyle Coplin

Personal news from each participant
Rob- Magazines. One jam and done. This one lasted about 1500 rounds and has been dropped many many times.
Tried to order ammunition online after the vendor announced a sale. I forgot my login information. Couldn’t reset. by the time the company got back to me, the ammunition was out of stock. Went to Walmart.

Rachel: My Texas Firearms Freedom news – our activists have filled up a table at a fundraiser dinner for a State Rep candidate here in Texas who strongly supports gun rights, including Constitutional Carry (TJ Fabby). That’s Tuesday, April 22, if any fellow Texans want to come, too. I’ve packed my shoot box and am ready for nearly 60 shooters for Friday’s “Ïntroduction to Appleseed” event.

John – I spent the weekend at the Mother Earth News Expo in Asheville. I wasn’t sure what to expect but I had a good time and saw a number of gun rights supporters based upon their T-shirts. I also attended a few presentations on essential life skills like making sausage and cutting up a sheep and a hog.

Paul: I am taking a new position at my company. I am going to start running regional. That means that I will only be on about ½ of the Wednesday recording sessions and starting April 26th EVERY Saturday broadcast will be live from ABN Army Surplus! This is a huge move for me. It means home time on a more regular basis and while my income might theoretically drop a small amount over time it will be far more stable.

Break
advertisement ABN

Seg 2- News

Rachel-36 citizens were shot in Chicago over the weekend, or about one an hour. Four of the shootings were fatal. None of them were by licensed concealed carry holders. Chicago Police Department spokesman Adam Collins blamed others by saying “..we continue to be challenged by lax state and federal gun laws.” It looks like the Chicago model of destroying jobs and disarming citizens is hazardous to your health.

Rob- As many as one million New York residents broke the law yesterday. That was the deadline to register their rifles under the New York SAFE Act. It looks like most citizens decided to practice civil disobedience rather than submit to arbitrary laws. This is a serious decision. Connecticut and New Jersey take note.

John- Barry Elliot of the youtube channel Iraqveteran died of a heart attack this weekend. Barry posted a lot of videos about guns, shooting and firearms history. He offered his insights and experience to new shooters and experts alike, from odd firearms to the outstanding. Barry hosted more than 80 episodes.

Paul -Elections have consequences, and so do votes in Tennessee. Pressure from Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam killed a bill to allow open carry of a handgun without a permit. The legislation had already passed the state senate, but Haslam had the bill killed in house committee. Remember this vote when a political party asks you for money or campaign help. These days I only donate to individual candidates or campaigns.

Rachel- The US department of justice criticized the Albuquerque police department for a pattern of excessive use of force in a practice that routinely violated people’s constitutional rights. The Albuquerque department killed 23 and wounded 14 others over 37 events in the last four years. The DOJ report said officers were not officially reprimanded after officers violently restrained, kicked or punched non-threatening individuals. Quoting the New York Times, “Many of the victims suffered from mental illnesses, and some were disabled, elderly or drunk.” The report suggested 44 remedies, but did not suggest a federal monitor of the department.

Paul- We’ve pointed out many times that concealed carry holders are more law abiding and less likely to injure the innocent than are police. I’d like the police to improve their record.

Rob- One Utah Sheriff is being proactive. Weber county sheriff Terry Thompson said he is still shaken by the murders at Sandy Hook and wants to train school staff to make sure Utah schools are prepared. Utah is one of a handful of states that allow loaded firearms on school property with a concealed carry permit — as long as the firearm remains on the employee’s person and not in their desk, purse or jacket. Sheriff Thompson said, “Our interest is to make sure our academic environments are able to protect our kids. The program actually began after teachers asked us what they can do to be prepared. A lot of parents were also coming forward to their children’s teachers asking ‘What are you going to do to protect my child?’.”

Besides granting a concealed carry permit, the classes teach Weber county educators what law enforcement’s response will be and how to best work with police, while keeping their students out of harm’s way. Some instructors took the class simply to know how police respond to an emergency. One employee said “In the end, we’re responsible for the kids we teach. In fact we always refer to them as ‘our kids.’ Nothing is more important to us than ensuring their safety.”

Utah PTA President Liz Zentner said the option to carry a firearm should be up to the school district and the individual. The next classes are scheduled for late June or early July after school closes for the year.

John- Anthony, one of our listeners sent in an email telling us about this next story. -On a different planet than Utah, former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg plans to spend $50 million campaigning against the National Rifle Association. Bloomberg is spending the cash to create a new grassroots network with members around the nation who support gun registration and confiscation. He’s calling it Everytown for Gun Safety.

Bloomberg’s initial advertisement is aimed at scaring women away from owning firearms and scaring women away from those who support a woman’s right to choose armed self-defense.

Larry Pratt, director of Gun Owners of America, said he’s not feeling the threat, however. “Bloomberg’s got the money to waste, so I guess he’s free to waste it. But frankly, I think he’s going to find out why his side keeps losing.”

Isnt’ that a contradiction for a billionaire to spend millions on a “grass roots” movement? The NRA has 5 million members who pay a few bucks a year.

Rob- Rachel, have people told you that self-defense isn’t appropriate for women?

Rachel- :mini-rant: :) (more please) (remember you asked for it…..) (yep, I asked.)

Rob- Bloomberg’s group wanted to confiscate guns from any household where there was a report of domestic violence. That disarms every victim of domestic violence. I hear Laura Carno saying “Don’t you dare tell me how to defend myself!”

John – I know this might not be polite to say on the Polite Society Podcast but anti-gun politicians are like cockroaches: They hate to have the light shined on their actions. Illinois State Sen. Dan Kotowski who was the Exec Director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence prior to his being elected to the Illinois State Senate in 2007 says his town hall meeting tomorrow in Roselle is not about gun control. He is accusing the Illinois State Rifle Association of lying about it in an alert to their members. He has called their alert, “reckless, irresponsible, and dangerous.” Richard Pearson of ISRA responds that he wants the gun controllers to realize that we are out there and watching their actions. Kotowski tried to get a new Illinois assault weapons ban (sic) plus a mag ban passed last year and narrowly failed thanks to the opposition of the NRA, ISRA, and other gun rights organizations.

John- Here is a quote from a college professor and fellow North Carolinian. “The gun control extremist has at least two things in common with the Islamic extremist. He has a willingness to die for his fundamental beliefs. And he has the sanctimony to demand that others go with him.” – Dr. Mike Adams who teaches Criminology at UNC-Wilmington.

Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Kyle Coplin of the Armed Citizen Project.
advertisement Concealment Solutions
Seg 3 Interview with Kyle Coplin of the Armed Citizen Project

Advertisement Roadgunner Mag 40

Segment 4 DGUs
Rob- John and Rachel, do you remember Kyle when we were in Houston?

Rob- While making a delivery, a pizza delivery man was attacked by four people in Buffalo, New York. They hit him on the head and body. At least one of the assailants was masked and used a hammer to beat the driver. This delivery driver has a licence to carry concealed. He was, and used his pistol to defend himself. He shot the masked man, one 18 year old DeJuan Coleman, who is now in police custody and listed in fair condition.

John – In keeping with Paul’s dictum that nothing good happens after midnight, a Flint MI homeowner shot and killed a 17 year old home invader sometime after midnight on Monday morning after the homeowner heard the sounds of his house being broken into. The 17 year old’s body was found about a block away. His 3 accomplices are now in jail awaiting arraignment on home invasion charges. This makes the third home invasion in Flint for the month of April in which the homeowner had to respond with lethal force to a home invasion. Unlike the criminals, no homeowner was injured in these home invasions.

Rachel- Last Monday, 41-year-old Robert Trevino decided to go jewelry shopping at Harpers Jewelry Store in Elgin, Texas, just a few miles east of Austin – except, he apparently had decided he didn’t want to pay for his jewelry. He approached the owner, Juan Torres, with a hammer in his hand. Torres responded with some well-placed shots from his 12-gauge shotgun – and then, with the main burglar dead, turned his attention to the accomplices in the parking lot. When he finished, two were wounded (and later taken into custody), and several others had simply fled the scene. It turns out that Trevino’s criminal record includes a burglary at this same store a couple of weeks ago. Guess this one didn’t turn out so well for him.

Paul-We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend. We’ll be right back after this Tips-and-Tricks segment with Kenn Blanchard.

Advertisement NJ2AS
Tips and tricks segment with Kenn Blanchard
Advertisement
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion

Paul- Anthony sent us this email
Funny. When I read the article, I didn’t see “gun violence” stated, but rather “gang violence.”
Huh. I must have missed something.
Love the show. Keep it up.

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-79917002/

(“In his first visit to Chicago since becoming director of the FBI, James Comey said today he is “painfully aware” of the city’s seemingly intractable gun violence and plans to direct more federal resources at the problem.
Comey, who was in town meeting with staffers in his Chicago field office, told reporters in a brief news conference at the FBI’s headquarters on the West Side that new congressional funding will allow for 2,000 new hires nationally over the next year and a half.”)
==========================
John – This email comes from Jake:

I know this would be the third week you’ve addressed this topic, but I recently read this interesting article and thought I’d pass it along.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26921743

This study claims that violence related to video gaming is correlated with how frustrating the video game is, and not how violent it is. Games modified to have counter-intuitive controls or where the player was not given a tutorial on how to play were the ones that produced violent behavior, whereas there was no difference between the group that played the violent version and the one that played the neutered, non-violent one.
=========================

Rachel- This email comes from Ken
Paul,

My Mom taught us to never point our toy guns at anyone. We only pointed our guns at make-believe bad guys. Never at our friends. It was true that the Shootin’ Shell snubbies could put your eye out, so it was a valuable lesson.

50 years between my gun acquisitions, I still hear that admonition ringing in my head. Lessons learned young do indeed stay with us. Thanks, Mom.

Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

PS Here are the 2 guns I reference. Shootin’ Shell 38 by Mattel. LCP .380 by Ruger. 50 years since my last gun!

Rob- Finally a comment off of our website from Fred:
Listen to you guys all the time. You ask for state firearm organizations well I am in Nebraska and we have The Nebraska Firearms Owners Association. (NFOA). Hard to believe Toby never mentioned it when he was there. Love the pod cast.

Thanks
Fred

I’d like to wish Paul good luck on his new political endeavor. Way to set the example for us and get involved. I think Rachel is getting through to you guys.
Keep representing gun owners in a positive light.

Rachel: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes. They are located by our old name, Politics and guns. Hot links are in our show notes.

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time. Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com.. Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on the the Crusader Podcast Network.
Also please listen to The Modern Self Protection Podcast, Ben Branham isn’t on our network, but he will be a guest on our show we record on the 26th of this month.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Joining two makes you a hero. Supporting all four makes you a super hero. (Do we get a cape?) :)

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, ,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rachel: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.
Outro and disclaimer

Episode 228 – Scott Wilson

.

Seg 1 Personal news from each participant Rob- Took friends and shot an IDPA match and took two friends along who’d never shot a match before. They had a great time, though I had to loan them one of my guns. (I want to remind our listeners that THIS is why you should belong to one of the gun advocacy organizations like the NRA.. so we’ll loan you guns and ammo.) lean to the right

I also went to the Ares Armor demonstration and carried a sign saying “ATF Stop Lying to US”. More from that in the news section.

I received a list of suggested podcasts from our listeners. Thank you. I also asked for feedback on how we should grow the gun culture, but no one replied yet. Please send me your suggestions.

Paul- In a very close race, I was elected as the Republican district chairman. The competition was intense (it turns out that I was unopposed). Please remember that you can watch us live every Wednesday and Saturday evening at 7:30 pm central time on Google plus and YouTube.

Rachel- Not much news on the politics-and-guns front; I’ve just been catching up a little on sleeping and eating while I plan for upcoming events. I spent today performing with 30+ middle school orchestra students as part of my musician day job. Good to keep balance in life.

Break
advertisement ABN
Seg 2- NewsNews_Partner_white

Rob- Ares Armor of Carlsbad, California was raided by the ATF last month. ATF sells gun parts and incomplete AR lowers. The ATF seized customer lists and product during the raid. Today, 150 protesters marched and waved signs in front of the Carlsbad ATF office in support of Ares.
Paul- Rob, why was the crowd there protesting?
Rob- Let’s let Dimitrios Karras, Executive Officer of Ares Armor explain it himself-
(recording)

Ares ATF demo SW

 

Rachel -April 15th is the deadline to register your firearms the New York state calls Assault Weapons.  The response has been.. well. lets call it slow. Unofficial reports put compliance at 10%   Dear Governor Cuomo, this Sensible Gun Registration does not mean what you think it means.

Paul -Robert Bray, director of the Federal Air Marshal Service, is resigning after trying to acquire guns for officials’ personal use.  Bray used the Air Marshal Service and the Federal Firearms License to buy discount or free firearms.  He then gave the firearms to senior agency staff for their personal use.  I think Bray expected he could cover up the run-running because after the ATF raided his home, Bray told the local sheriff’s office and reported the guns had been stolen.

Rob -Sometimes law enforcement makes a mistake.  Los Angeles County Sheriff deputies were called to a violent domestic incident an apartment complex.  Fortunately, two of the victims escaped the apartment.  Unfortunately they were shot by LA deputies.  Fortunately, one of them lived.  Unfortunately, the deputies shot and killed one of the victims, 30 year old John Winkler.  He was a production assistant on a cable network comedy show.

Police are five times more likely than an armed civilian to shoot the wrong person. Personally, I hate it when the police shoot the hostages.

Rachel- Some other Los Angeles law enforcement officers are having other problems too.  They are breaking off the antenna that transmits their conversation in the police cars.  Don’t do as I do.. and don’t do as I say either.  A california city recently released statistics showing that police use of force drops by 60 percent when the police wore recording devices.  Contrary to media reports, armed citizens are not violent vigilantes trying to be police officers.

Paul – Some departments are smarter than that.  The Muscogee County, Georgia Marshal’s Office offers a Civilian Firearms Training class in May. The class covers the safe, legal, and responsible handling of firearms.  The course costs only $42.00, and that is a bargain.  While Georgia does not require training for a concealed carry license, I think training is essential.

Rob- From the irony file.. The recent Ft. Hood killer posted  gun control rants on his facebook wall.  I quote “It is stupid to me that anyone can have easy access to a powerful weapon without being mentally evaluated. This makes the government indirect accomplice… These bastards (doing the shooting) have perfected their way of attacking (by) studying previous massacres to gain publicity and their minute of fame as a villain. But…the media give power to those.. cowards.”

Paul- Gun Quotes from the 1700s ”False is the idea that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature … laws not preventive but fearful of crimes.” Cesare Beccaria

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Scott Wilson of Connecticut Citizens Defense League.  They put 5 thousand people on the capitol grounds!

advertisement Concealment Solutions
Seg 3 Interview with Scott Wilson.

Advertisement Roadgunner Mag 40
Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- An Antioch, California jewelry store owner shot and killed an armed robber Friday afternoon.   Two to three robbers entered the jewelry store and drew a weapon on the store owner and his staff.  The store owner drew his own weapon and shot at the robbers.  The robbers fled.  The waiting getaway car drove off and one of the robbers fled into a nearby neighborhood.  Another robber collapsed on the sidewalk and was pronounced dead at the scene.  Police said a woman was also shot during the attempted robbery.  She was taken to a local hospital with non-life threatening wounds.

Paul- An intruder broke into a West Virginia home Thursday morning at 2am.  The homeowner lives off Route 10 in Cabel County, and shot the intruder with a shotgun.  26-year old Ray Davis fled the scene and was arrested at the local hospital.  Police said the homeowner is not facing charges at this time.  Neighbors reported that the area has been free of crime for at least the last ten years.

Rachel- An East Texas homeowner had an unfriendly visit from 40-year-old Michael Todd Brown. Brown was instructed to leave. He did – only to return a few hours later with a 9mm handgun. Reportedly, Brown began firing randomly upon arrival at the house. An argument with the homeowner ensued, and the homeowner ultimately shot and killed Brown. It’s believed that Brown was high on meth.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Advertisement NJ2AS
Tips and tricks segment with Kathy Jackson.
Advertisement
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion

Rob- Scott Gibbons forwarded a message from the Texas State Rifle Association.  The message covered the meeting on Monday where citizens testified about open carry in Texas.  Our own Rachel Malone (applause) attended and spoke at the meeting. The TSRA mentioned that two Texas Senators spoke against open carry- Democrat Chuy Hinojosa from McAllen said he wasn’t “comfortable” with the idea of seeing folks carrying handguns.  Democrat Jose Rodriguez from El Paso said open carry sends a message of violence to youth who sit in front of video games all day.

Thank you, Scott!  Link to Texas Senate testimony

Paul- 1st email from Greg from Bremmerton

FYI, be careful not to buy truckstop junk!! I got mine from, VideoDashCam.com All his units are trucker tested.
As far as podcasts I listen to,
Brass Call, Trucker Dump, NewYorkCityGuns, Armchair Survivalist, TSP, God&Guns, PrepperRecon, RadioFreeRedoubt. I’ll do more in a later Email.
Keep up the great work.
Greg, Bremerton

Second email from Greg from Bremmerton
http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/92-year-old-ww2-vet-and-armed-wife-chase-off-armed-robber-i-was-gonna-work-him-over-real-good/#
Greg, Bremerton

Rachel- Email from Chris
Thanks for a great podcast. On episode 227 a listener raised the question of toy guns and safety. The best statement I have ever heard on the subject come from Jack Spirko of the Survival Podcast. He describes how the patient protectionist anti-gunners have slowly worked towards stripping the interest from children.

If you’re interested in it check out the Survival Podcast: episode 1150 at the 1:18 mark.
-Chris

Rob- Email from Ian -
Hey guys, a note on video games… What often seems to be forgotten are two things. First, the average age of a gamer is 34 years old. Second, video games have an age rating system just like movies. The conclusion to draw is simple – video games for adults are for adults. If children are playing them, we have a parental problem.

My kid doesn’t watch violent movies, my kid doesn’t play video games rated mature. I however as an adult do both. A lot. I have been since I was a teenager and like the millions upon millions of gun owners and video game players, I have yet to commit an act of violence outside of our self defense.

Even then, do you think those gamers who have had to defend themselves with a gun didn’t throw up afterwards?

This has all happened before and will happen again, books in the early 20th century, Elvis and Rock and Roll in the 50’s, movies in the 70’s and 80’s and now video games.

It’s such a moot point. It’s looking for reasons and confusing correlation and causation to find them.

Video games now outsell movies. The statistical chances of someone that plays video games is high, hence the chances of someone doing something insane having played video games is high. But of course so are the chances that person drinks Coca-Cola.

Owning guns doesn’t make you violent. Watching violent movies, reading violent books doesn’t make you violent. Being trained by the U.S military to be violent in combat doesn’t make you violent back in society.
Just musings…
Thanks again for the show guys!
Ian Wright

Can we get Ben Branam?

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes. as podcast box.  (?)  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next classes are April 12th and 13th in Richmond Virginia. April 12th is women only and April 13th is Co-ed. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention?

Rob: I have one up called “The Power of gun envy in California”.  It is up at Clash Daily, on my slowfacts blog, and it will go up at Ammoland.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Here is a shoutout to slamfire radio, but the polite society podcast has more facebook likes than they do.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,  Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rachel: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 227 – News, DGU’s and Email Feedback

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob, I’d like to go first.  I’ll be at the NRA convention.  Thank you to the listeners who contacted me by e-mail and I look forward to meeting you.  I’d like to ask our listeners a few questions and draw on their wisdom.  What are your favorite firearms podcasts?  What do you think we should do to promote the right of self-defense in our culture?  I’m looking for big and small answers meaning what should you and I do, and what should large organizations do?

Rachel- I enjoyed helping out at the Appleseed booth at the Mesquite Self-Reliance Expo last Saturday. I also had a very gratifying past few days seeing activists show up at the Capitol in support of the second Amendment.  More on that in the news segment…

John – About all that I have to report is that my new IWB holster arrived and I’m breaking it in so I can take with me to the NRA Annual Meeting. I’ll be attending the Mother Earth News Expo in Asheville this weekend to help

Break

advertisement ABN

Seg 2- NewsNews_Partner_white.jpg

John – The CCDL gun rights rally in Hartford, Connecticut had a really good turnout. While some media outlets are saying 3,000 attended, reports from those who were on the ground say it was actually between 4-5,000 gun owners who attended. David Codrea was the keynote speaker. He said it was his choice to not obey these illegal edicts. From the pictures, I saw supporters from many other states. Of course the Hartford Courant thinks this law should be a model for the nation and Gov. Dannel Malloy thinks the NRA should be pushing Obamacare.

Rob- Ares (AIR -ECE) Armor was raided by ATF agents last month after Ares secured a judge’s restraining order against the feds.  Ares scheduled a protest at the local ATF office in Carlsbad, California next Saturday, April 12th from 2 to 5 pm.  You can go to the Ares Armor website, their facebook page, or our show notes for a link.  I’ll be there this Saturday.  If you listen to the podcast, please say Hi.

John – Brian Frayne teaches concealed carry classes with Cardinal Training in Mendota, Illinois. While he could teach the classroom part there, his students would have to travel to Rockford for a shooting range. So he came up with an idea, build one of his own. And that’s just what he did. So far Brian’s helped 60 people practice shooting here at his new outdoor facility. “One of the local contractors in the Paw Paw area, they trucked in dirt and built our berms for us. And then we had the NRA come in and give us their blessing so we could insure the place,” says Brian. He says the endeavor is more of a hobby than a money maker. “Between your insurance, your liability insurance, your corporation insurance, the whole nine yards, all these (expenses) add up,” he says. But overall, business has been good for Brian, keeping him, and his range, busy…

http://www.wrex.com/story/25176284/2014/04/06/firearms-instructor-builds-range-to-meet-demand-of-concealed-carry-applicants

Rachel- We commented on the falling crime rate in Chicago, but it might be an illusion created by false reporting.  A 12-month examination of the Chicago Police Department’s crime statistics going back several years identified 10 people who were beaten, burned, suffocated, or shot to death in 2013 and whose cases were downgraded to more minor crimes, or even closed as non criminal incidents for illogical or, at best, unclear reasons.  Many police officers interviewed during the examination recounted instances in which they were told to reclassify their reports. One detective refers to police management having “magic ink” which means the power to make a case disappear.

Rob- It is a corrupt system when the police ignore crime to hide the politician’s failings.

John- Attorney General Eric Holder said on Friday that gun tracking technology is something the Justice Department (DOJ) wants to “explore” as part of its gun control efforts. Holder told a House appropriations subcommittee that his agency is looking into technological innovations. “Vice President Biden and I had a meeting with a group of technology people and we talked about how guns can be made more safe by making them either through fingerprint identification, the gun talks to a bracelet or something that you might wear, how guns can be used only by the person who is lawfully in possession of the weapon.” The Justice Department has requested $382.1 million in increased spending for its fiscal year 2014 budget for “gun safety.”

Rob- Have you noticed that these regulation always apply to civilians, but not to Attorney General Eric Holder’s Department of Justice.  He could force this on this DOJ tomorrow.  Holder is saying Smart guns for thee, but not for me.

Rachel- This from an op-ed in the Columbus Dispatch.  The gun-culture of Ohio changed dramatically.  Tuesday marked the 10-year anniversary of licensed concealed carry in Ohio.   5 percent of adult Ohioans now have their carry license.  Over those ten years, the General Assembly stopped debating if citizens could carry, and debated when and where citizens should carry.  In Ohio, as in other states, licensed civilians are exemplary.

Rob- Also for our Ohio listeners, the Buckeye Firearms Association released a list of endorsed candidates for the primary election.  The polls are open for early voting, so do your reading first.

John- Speaking of candidates.. democrat Mike Dickinson is running for Congress in against Eric Cantor in Virginia’s 7th Congressional District.  Dickenson tweeted some hateful comments about the NRA and NRA members.

-the NRA is a god awful fear mongering group and those who support the NRA are pure trash

-If you are a member or supporter of the @NRA I don’t want your support. Joining the @NRA is like joining the crybaby association

-Members of the @NRA have very low IQs. They have a trigger finger mentality.

-NRA members are “descendants of the KKK.”

There are several things I don’t like Eric Cantor, but I can’t find much to like about Mike Dickinson.

Rob- There is some good self-defense news from Tennessee today.  First, the Tennessee Senate voted for unlicensed open carry. (unlike texas)  This is critically important to protect honest firearms owners if they don’t have a concealed carry permit.  A common problem is if a homeowner defends himself with a firearm in his home, and then steps outside his home to meet the police.  There you are open carrying in public.

Rachel- Better news is that Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam signed Senate Bill 1771 into law.  This repealed the ban on automatic knives and possession of knives over four inches in length “with intent to go armed.”   The previous law was vague and often abused by prosecutors.  After the first of July there are no longer any illegal knives in Tennessee.  Last year Tennessee passed a law preempting cities from passing their own knife laws.

Rob- California State Sen Leland Yee pleaded not guilty today on federal charges that could send the Senator to jail.  Keith Jackson, a former Yee consultant and one of 29 other defendants, also pleaded not guilty at a joint arraignment.  Government agents posed as medical marijuana businessmen, a technology vendor and a man seeking a proclamation honoring a Chinatown group.  The agents paid Democrat Senator Yee for his help.

John- My history professor said people are the true constant in human history.  For that reason it is welcome news, but no surprise, that more guns continue to save lives and reduce crime.  Economist Mark Gius has a new study in the journal Applied Economics Letters that weighs in on guns and crime.  Gius documented that shall issue carry laws predict lower rates of homicide involving firearms. Gius also found that state-level assault weapons bans have no statistically significant effect on the homicide rate involving guns.

Rachel- Many of us are envious of the gun-friendly laws Arizona residents get to enjoy. But they’re not content to sit back and enjoy it – they’re still standing up for full firearms freedom. Currently, HB 2339 is making its way through the legislature. It would ensure that a Public (state and local government) establishment or event cannot ban CCW permit holders from carrying unless methods (metal detectors, security personnel, etc.) are used to determine if anyone entering is armed. You can track the bill at the Arizona Citizens Defense League site.

Rachel- The Texas state legislature is not currently in session; however, there was an Senate committee interim hearing to discuss removing barriers to the 2nd Amendment. This is quite unusual, and is a direct result of activists conducting open carry marches, petitioning legislators, and making their voice heard in other ways. Although there’s not a bill under consideration, this gives the Senate an idea of how many people might actually show up for the real deal next year. We rocked it – final count was around 50 of us, 5 of them testifying.. I’m so proud of all the activists who showed up – everyday citizens who stuck it out all day without breaks, and got up and spoke their mind. View the hearing here (start at 3:50:40). My testimony is here.

Rachel- A letter written by a soldier at Ft. Hood has hit the internet. It contains his powerful testimony of the horrible atrocity of gun-free zones. 1st Lt. Patrick Cook was in a room the gunman tried to enter; another soldier blocked the door and continued to hold it shut even after being hit fatally with a .45-caliber pistol as the gunman shot through the door. Cook writes, “Nearly a week later, I can still taste his blood in my mouth from when I and my comrades breathed into his lungs for 20 long minutes while we waited for a response from the authorities. This Soldier’s name was Sergeant First Class Daniel Ferguson, and his sacrifice loaned me the rest of my life to tell this story.”

Rob- Gun Quotes

“To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow.” Author- Jeff Snyder

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this advertisement

advertisement Concealment Solutions

Advertisement Roadgunner Mag 40

Segment 4 DGUs

John – This is not your typical DGU. On Monday, Daniel Yealu (YAY LOO) walked into the LAPD’s Wilshire Station and West Traffic Division and opened fire on the police officers sitting behind the front desk. Yealu was reportedly angry that he had been turned down for the LAPD Police Academy. Both police officers immediately returned fire and the shooting was stopped. One of the officers was wounded in the gunfight and is in stable condition with wounds to his shoulder and side. Yealu is in the hospital in critical condition.  Contrast this with the recent Ft. Hood shooting which left 3 dead (the shooter doesn’t count) and 14 wounded. The LA shooting was stopped quickly and decisively without more officers being injured. Why? Because there were armed individuals who were able to protect themselves and their fellow officers as well as a number of non-LEOs who were attending a neighborhood council meeting in the station at the time.

Rachel- Another Detroit homeowner defended his home against robbers this morning.  Two 19 year olds smashed a window and broke into the Asbury Park home before 6AM.  The 47 year old homeowner shot the male who died at the hospital  The 19 year old female was also shot and is listed in critical condition.  Police Detroit police Seargent Michael Woody commented “I know this is a hot button topic and Detroit Police Chief Craig has addressed this issue  many times. We fully support our good Detroiters, good Americans, that are legally in possession of weapons defending their homes.  We will support our citizens in that matter. This seems to be another one of those incidents.”

Rob- Let’s contrast this with John Barbieri, the new Police Commissioner in Springfield Massachusetts.  Barbieri said, “Studies show it’s better to be a good witness than to provide an armed resistance. Unless there is convincing data otherwise, I will continue giving conceal permits based on need.”

I bet Detroit will have better success than Springfield in stopping violent crime.

John- So will the citizens of Winter Haven Florida.  The gun culture is more than an angry dad.  A man breaking into a Winter Haven home woke the entire family as he forced his way through the porch door.  By the time Michell Large forced his way to the kitchen, the mother, father and son were armed.  The first shot missed, and Large continued entering the home.  At least two more shots were fired and the intruder was killed.  The family said they did not know the intruder.  Police Chief Gary Hester said, “It’s not a very far reach to assume that if someone’s forcing their way into your residence early in the morning, they’re not there to wish you well.”

Rachel- A masked suspect entered a Lafayette, Louisiana convenience store at about 8pm armed with a revolver.  The robber demanded money, and fired one shot at the store clerk.  The store clerk  returned fire.  The suspect fled the store without any money and the store clerk was not injured in the robbery.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Advertisement NJ2AS

Tips and tricks segment with Dave Cole

Advertisement

Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Rachel- Email from William

Paul and crew, really enjoyed the recent podcast with the philosophical discussion on violence and video gaming.  The talk about statistics reminding me of an old story.

 

The president was working on a very hard problem and noticed his economics advisor walking in the hall. He called him in and said, “I have a very hard problem and I need some help. Can you tell me what 1 plus 1 is?”

 

The economics advisor, after thinking about it for a while replied, “I think the answer is 2 Mr. President.”

The president thanked him and got his secretary on the phone and requested his science advisor to come to his office. When the science advisor arrived he explained the problem and the scientist sat down with pencil, paper and slide rule :(I said this was an oldie!)

The science advisor finally said, “After working through the latest related Eigen function the probability density indicates that the answer is probably very close to 2.

The president thanked him and hollered to his secretary to get his chief statistician in there at once.

Upon his arrival the president said, “I’m trying to figure this out and have already got some answers but I’m just not sure. Since you deal with numbers all the time, can you tell me what 1 plus 1 is?”

The statistician got a worried look, ushered the secret service agent out of the room locking the door to the oval office, pulled all the shades and whispered in the presidents ear, “Well Mr. President, what would you like it to be?”

===

I do have a question concerning toy guns I’d like to hear your opinions on.  I’ve heard many say that they make their kids follow the 4 gun safety rules when playing with toy guns. I can’t say I disagree but thinking back, that sure would have made playing cowboys and Indians or cops and robbers very dull. I have no idea how many times I shot, and was shot by my friends.

 While I don’t remember my parents sitting me down and explaining the difference between make believe and toys, or reality and real guns. It just seems I and my friends knew the difference with regard to guns and most other things. A toy gun, blast away, even a BB gun, don’t do it. I’m not so sure that is the case now.

But then all of us had parents who actually paid attention to us. maybe that made the difference, kind of like the problem with parenting now and violence, which you all seemed to be talking about in that episode.

Times have changed and I can definitely see both sides to this. Do you think in these times kids should be allowed to enjoy play with toy guns or should the safety rules be strictly adhered to even with toys. I must keep in mind that when we do force on force with air soft guns we are certainly breaking some rules.

Opinions?

 John- Email from Scott

I’m a tanker truck driver who is very passionate about the Second Amendment my wife and I enjoy shooting all the time my wife and I are with the group in Texas called open carry Texas. It’s just like the group Rachel is in . Could you please add open carry Texas to your group of gun associations.

 Rob- Email from Daniel

Violent games/media probably does desensitize kids to violence, even if it is just a little bit of desensitization.

Being desensitized to violence isn’t the end of the world.  In fact that desensitization is irrelevant because in 99% of the population it will never manifest itself, that 99% will never act on it.

In the 1% of the population that will commit violent acts (regardless if they were or were not exposed to violent media), the fact they were exposed to violent media only aids in their desensitization to violence, making them more able to act out hyper violent acts.

So in conclusion, I think watching violent media does not make you MORE likely to commit violent acts, but those that would normally commit violent acts and were exposed to violent media, are desensitized enough to be able to carry out ultra violent acts rather than marginally violent acts.

I think a bigger factor is drugs.  Weather illegal drugs, or prescribed drugs for kids with “adhd” or “hyper active disorder” etc , play a bigger role in making people fly off the deep end and go ballistic.

Maybe bigger than that is isolation, lack of role models/ parents/ discipline.

Thanks yall love the show and LOVE the fact that yall have intelligent, civil conversations on topics you all don’t agree eye to eye with.

You can use my name if you want.

Daniel Carmona

Philadelphia, Pa

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next classes are April 12th and 13th in Richmond Virginia. April 12th is women only and April 13th is Co-ed. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Johnl: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,  Texas Firearms Freedom, Open Carry Texas, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rachel: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the weekend show…

John: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Outro and disclaimer

Episode 226 – Roadgunner Podcast

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, April fifth, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and tonight we have an interview with The Un-Named Trucker of the Roadgunner Podcast
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have news, DGUs, and listeners sent in some e-mails for us to talk over, so climb aboard.
John: strap in.
Paul: and hang on! Episode 226 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now. Show intro music.

Seg 1 Personal news from each participant Rob- John and I were going to run this show by ourselves, but Paul made it home. Excuse me while I tell the dancing girls they can’t be on the shoot this time. I dry practiced during the week because I knew I’d shoot a steel competition today. I also helped a couple shop for a new gun. She has small hands. His are large. She wants to concealed carry. He wants to compete. Somebody not gonna be happy. I also received one e-mail from a listener to meet at the NRA convention, and one e-mail asking if I’d speak at a local gun group.

John – After 3 months, I got rid of the boot cast on my broken ankle and have switched to a brace. It looks like I’ll be able to go to the range again! I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemies even if they were gun prohibitionists.

Rob- John, you are a generous man.

Paul-Break for ABN advertisement

Seg 2- News  News_Partner_white.jpg

John – In sad news, Otis McDonald, Second Amendment champion and lead plaintiff in the case that bears his name, McDonald v. Chicago, died Friday after a long fight against cancer. He was 79. Mr. McDonald is survived by his wife Laura and their children; Chandra, Sheila, Jessie Marie and Dorsey, and several grandchildren. He was preceded in death by his son Kelvin.

Richard Pearson of the Illinois State Rifle Association may have said it best when he wrote, “I have always considered Otis as one of those people who lived everyday bravely and was not a hero because of one event but was a hero every day of his life.” Godspeed Mr. McDonald and may your soul rest in peace.

Rob- James Kaleda raised over $7500 dollars, but less than half the hoped for amount to fund his legal defense against New Jersey State Police.  Some of you asked to meet me at the NRA convention.  I’m going to ask you if you donated, so you might want to reconsider.  In short, I’m disappointed.

Paul -Chicago’s murder rate for the first three months of 2014 was the lowest since 1958. Six fewer people were murdered than in the same time frame in 2013 – a 9 percent drop – and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to Chicago Police. There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, over a 25 percent reduction.  Is it coincidence that concealed carry has come to Chicago?

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fchicago_news&id=9487263

Rob -Last week California Democrat Senator Leland Yee was charged.  This week Senator Yee and 26 others were indicted by a federal grand jury.  They will be arraigned on Tuesday of next week.  Yee is charged with six counts of scheming to defraud citizens by allegedly soliciting and taking campaign contributions in exchange for political favors.  Yee continues to receive his full salary from the California Senate.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/yee-formally-indicted-federal-corruption-charges/nfR6S/

John-TEXAS- The Texas Senate scheduled a surprise hearing on open carry.  This is short notice, as in THIS MONDAY MORNING, April 7th at 8:30 AM.  This is your chance to be heard, so be there is you live in the Austin Area.  More information is available at Texas Firearms Freedom.  http://www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com/

Paul-Also in Texas and short notice, gun advocacy group Open Carry Texas will hold a rally at a San Antonio Police substation Sunday at 1pm following what the organization says was an illegal arrest last weekend of one of its members.

Henry Vichique, 19 [sic], was taken into custody for violating the city ordinance that says, in part, that it is illegal “to carry a loaded rifle or shotgun on any public street.” Open Carry Texas believes the ordinance violates state law. The officer said he was going to follow him home to make sure he got there safely and that Vichique was not under arrest. But when Vichique acknowledged his weapon was loaded, a sergeant told the officers over the radio that a crime was committed, according to a police report. Officers then told Vichique they were going to grab his gun, which he said they couldn’t do. Vichique “made it clear he was not going to hand it over” and was subsequently stunned with a Taser, the police report states. He had five live rounds in the rifle, police noted.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Man-s-arrest-during-armed-stroll-prompts-gun-rally-5368425.php

Rob- Rachel, you get busy and Texas goes all to hell.  Why aren’t you here to read this?

Rob- Ares (AIR -ECE) Armor was raided by ATF agents last month after Ares secured a judge’s restraining order against the feds.  Ares scheduled a protest at the local ATF office in Carlsbad, California next Saturday, April 12th from 2 to 5 pm.  You can go to the Ares Armor website, their facebook page, or our show notes for a link.  I’ll be there.  If you listen to the podcast, please say Hi.

John- Here are two gun quotes written over 500 years old from Niccolo Machiavelli.

“There never was a new prince who has disarmed his subjects.  Rather, when he has found them disarmed, the prince has always armed them, because, by arming them, those arms become (his).

“When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this advertisement for Concealment Solutions
advertisement Concealment Solutions
Seg 3 Interview with Chaz, the un-named chucker.
Advertisement Roadgunner Mag 40
Segment 4 DGUs

John – The first DGU from a Chicago resident with an Illinois concealed carry permit happened early this morning. Two men dressed in hoodies accosted a man as he was walking from his garage to the door of his home around 2:40am. One of them pulled a firearm and the homeowner pulled his own firearm and fired several shots. It doesn’t appear that either of the criminals were injured but more importantly neither was the homeowner. After the shooting, police responded and determined that the man was shooting in self-defense. The man had a valid firearm owner’s identification card, a valid concealed carry permit and police were able to determine that he had completed a required concealed carry class and was properly trained, CPD News Affair Officer Michael Sullivan said.

The man is not facing charges as police search for the two males, described as a tall male and a short male. Those two face charges.

Paul-A resident who lives just south of Slone lake area of Denver Colorado shot and killed a man wednesday.  The homeowner said he shot when the man lunged at him after discovering the intruder taking things from his home.  The intruder was identified as Dwayne Kelly, age 52.  Kelly has a lengthy criminal history including burglary, domestic violence and resisting arrest, according to Colorado Bureau of Investigation records.  The homeowner was not charged by police. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25378523/man-fatally-shot-possible-self-defense-incident-identified

rob- A northeast Eugene, Oregon resident armed himself with a pistol and chased off two men who were trying to rob his home.  The incident was reported at 2:12 a.m. after the homeowner looked out his window and noticed a van parked with its headlights on. The man grabbed a .357 revolver.  Two men reportedly stepped inside the house, but turned and ran after the home’s resident pointed the gun at them.  The homeowner chased them a short distance.

http://www.registerguard.com/rg/news/local/31375711-75/police-resident-eugene-chased-intruders.html.csp

(You’ve done what you can do.  If you wanted more evidence for police then you should buy a video security system, but don’t chase the bad guys once they leave your home.)

John -A wanted felon is back behind bars in Stephens County, Georgia.  The felon was fleeing from a Georgia Department of Natural Resources ranger when the felon rushed toward a woman working in her yard.  Evidently she felt threatened and drew her handgun and fired one round near him.  The felon fled in the opposite direction and was captured by County Sheriff Deputies. http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=273269

(“Warning shots” are not a good idea.)

Paul -A wheelchair bound gun owner defended himself in Moore, Oklahoma.  An intruder jumped into his yard while Steven Ferguson was working in his sunroom.  Steve says he turned to see the intruder draw a firearm, and that is when Steve drew his and fired.  The shot shattered his back window, but the intruder jumped back over his fence and ran into an empty field.  “Shooting at someone is not fun.”

http://www.koco.com/news/homeowner-in-wheelchair-shoots-at-intruder/25322604#mid=18738900

Rob- A woman answered her door with gun in hand, and she is glad she did.  This homeowner lives between Selma and Montgomery Alabama, an her house is several hundred feet from the paved road.  It was also after midnight when 18 year old Mike Smith knocked on the front door and claimed he needed help with his broken car.  Smith forced his way into the home as the homeowner approached the door, knocking the homeowner to the ground.  Smith was armed with a knife.  The homeowner fired her handgun several times.

Smith was found 30 feet from the front door, having been dragged most of that distance.  Police picked up Bryan Vance as an accomplice to burglary and Smith’s death.  Police explained that it appears the homeowner was protecting herself and her niece and would not face charges

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2014304040026&nclick_check=1

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Advertisement NJ2AS
Tips and tricks segment with Kathy Jackson.
Advertisement
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion

Rob- Email #1
With regards to the discussion on video games and violence last episode: I want to see a study on video games and violence that factors in the effects of social isolation. I know from personal experience (I was bullied in middle school. Boo-hoo, pity me, right?) that social isolation makes kids withdraw from other people, and video games are a convenient escape. Most popular video games are violent, partly because we play video games to experience things we can’t do in reality (sports games aren’t popular because it’s pretty easy to go out and play football, for example). Socially isolated individuals who are heavily bullied are likely to lash out (Columbine was explicitly a response to social isolation and bullying, and most other mass murderers were bullied loners). Therefore, you see a correlation between violent video games and violent behavior. As we all know, correlation does not equal causation though – Both violence and playing of video games could be caused by social isolation and bullying.

Also, you referenced religion being an antidote to violence. This is quite the hornet’s nest, so I’ll just poke it gently by saying that 9/11, the crusades, thousands of murders of gays in america and across the world, and other atrocities are religiously motivated, too. Religion is a powerful tool that can be used to convince someone, partly because faith, by definition, can often bypass logic and evidence. This tool can be used for good or evil, much like guns. Religion isn’t inherently bad, but can be easily twisted towards evil by cultists and extremists.

Thanks for putting out the podcast, and keep asking the hard questions!
-Branth

Email #2 (Paul wants this one)
Why do you have an email? I’ve emailed you on several different occasions about different things and you never email back

John – Email #3
Paul & Crew,
Just dropping you a note to say keep up the good work. I enjoy the show and info you all give to us on a bi-weekly basis. Although a few of the staff has left in recent months the group you have put together is equally informative and entertaining. Once again, keep up the good work & I’ll give Susan all the credit for seeing to it that the show goes off without a hitch.
Thanks,
Troy & Gwen Starkey

Paul- Email #4 Email string about Trek podcast. I had emailed Ken thanking him for the recommendation.

YAY! So happy I did some good. I’m not even that big a Trek Fan, but love what these guys are doing.
Ken S.
PS Just joined NRA last week. Just bought my first gun, ever, on Thursday. (Ruger LCP)

Listener voice mail from Mark in Ohio-
Insert recording-
Rob’s paraphrase ‘Lots of Mass murderers play video games. They also drink milk. That said, I don’t let my girls play violent video games. My family shoots and my youngsters know firearms are both real and dangerous.”

Rob- Mark, It is nice to hear you and thank you for sending your voicemail. I think you’re doing a good job raising your children. I think you’re doing a bad job with statistics. We compare those who play video games with those who don’t. The more violent imagery children see, the more violent behavior we observe in them.

Think of video games as a cumulative mental poison.
Mark, I can send you some physical poison in a medicine bottle. It tastes sweet so your kids will like it. They might like it a lot and ask for it. I know this poison won’t kill everyone with every dose. Odds are it won’t hurt them at all this time, but the odds are absolutely certain it will kill some. The fact that this poison did not make YOU sick THIS TIME does not mean it won’t sicken many people.

Do you really want to give poison to your children and find out? You, Mark, already answered that question for you and your family. I’ll repeat what I said before; I like your answer.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Onair@politics and guns.com or  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Paul: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is in Richmond Virginia on April 12 and 13.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention from your SlowFacts blog?

Rob: I do. My message is that you gun owners rock!  The gun culture is growing despite the smears from the main stream media and millions of dollars from anti-gun politicians.  The article is called Gun Culture Turns the Tide.  It is on Clash Daily, Ammoland and my blog.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Robl: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

John: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,  Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 225 – Citizens for a Safer New Jersey

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, April 2nd. I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with John Willit and Rich Petkevis about Citizens for a Safer New Jersey.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on! episode 225 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Break
advertisement ABN
Seg 2- News

John- The Connecticut Citizens Defense League has a rally scheduled on April 5th in Hartford Connecticut.  Connecticut deserves our support.  New York, Massachusets and Rhode Island gun owners are close enough to drive over.  http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally

Rob- Mail in your NRA ballot too!  Ballots must be received by April 6th.

Rachel and Tim -Fort Hood shooting- There was a shooting this afternoon on base at Ft. Hood in Texas. Latest official reports have 4 dead including the gunman and 14 wounded. The shooter was 34-year-old Ivan Lopez who is reported to have died from a self-inflicted wound. The advice given to soldiers on base was to “shelter in place”. This is just another shooting that happened in a gun-free zone, and brings back memories to troops and Texans of the last Ft. Hood shooting that happened in 2009.

Obama’s statement: “working with folks on the ground to find out exactly what happened and be sure everyone is secure, and we will get to the bottom of this.” “We’ll do everything we can do make sure the community at Fort Hood has what it needs…”

Rob- This is not workplace violence.  These service men and women were killed by political correctness.. by criminal negligence by a commanding officer.
Break

John -Albany, New York gun rights rally drew an estimated 3000 protesters saying repeal New York’s SAFE act that imposed magazine limits and outlawed many firearms.  The legislation takes effect in only two weeks and requires registration of all semi-automatic rifles.  http://www.wben.com/Trump–Astorino-Take-on-Cuomo-Over-NY-Gun-Control/18714252

Albany gun rights rally.jpg

Rob -Colorado Sheriff’s take magazine ban to court.  Colorado’s new gun restrictions went on trial Monday as Second Amendment advocates seek to overturn the laws on grounds that they violate constitutional rights to keep and bear arms.  About 50 sheriffs said they would not enforce the new Colorado gun laws.  The state attorney general has the unfortunate task of defending Colorado’s new laws.  This trial is only a few hours old. http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/colorado-gun-laws-argued-in-federal-court/

Paul- A West Virginia Sheriff refused to turn over list of gun owners after two newspapers asked for the information as a matter of public record.  Sheriff Patrick Butler said releasing information put the public, and the gun owners in particular, at risk.  West Virginia gun owners should give the sheriff some support.

Paul, should you comply with the law in order to oppose it?

Rachel- Iowa legislators have some explaining to do.  Speaker of the House, Kraig Paulsen, yesterday used a procedural rule to bury Constitutional Carry legislation yet again and kept it from coming up for a vote. Iowa gun owners were active and heard by both sides of the isle. The ruling class.. even republicans.. don’t support the right of self-defense in Iowa.  The message to Iowa gun owners is simple;  you snooze, you lose.

Paul- California’s top hypocrite Senator Leland Yee’s arrest for conspiracy to sell firearms without a license as well as many other crimes seems to have put a chill on 2 gun control bills that he introduced. You may recall from the last episode that Yee, who was rated A+ by the Brady Campaign and was on their Gun Violence Prevention Honor Roll, was arrested and has since posted bond.The Brady Campaign’s Amanda Knox said “I am very dismayed and upset, but his actions don’t make what is good policy any less good policy.”
Break

Rob -We knew Washington DC was crazy, and unfortunately, here is more proof.  Mark Witaschek was tried and convicted of having inert bullets used in a muzzleloading rifle in his DC townhouse.  These are ammunition components for a rifle that doesn’t require registration in DC.  You heard that right.  You now have to register your rifles you don’t have to register so you can register the ammunition you have to register.  That is what DC law says, though it took DC lawyers four hours to figure that one out.  After the so called trial, Witaschek registered himself on DCs Firearms Offenders Registry as part of his sentence.  No one in the DC registry office or DC attorney’s office could explain if Witaschek is now prohibited from owning firearms

To offer some perspective, there were TWO murders with firearms in DC the same night that SWAT teams raided Witaschek’s house in their first witch hunt for illegal guns.  This is DC law enforcement at play while disarmed citizens bleed. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/28/mark-witaschek-surrenders-to-dc-police-gun-offende/

John- New York state issued a guide to law enforcement concerning the New York SAFE act.  The guide recommends ignoring the magazine capacity requirements since they are most likely unconstitutional. They also suggest ignoring the muzzle brake restrictions as unenforceable vague. http://www.ammoland.com/2014/03/ny-state-police-guide-revised-to-reflect-unconstitutionality-of-ammunition-ban/#axzz2x8VvsnUT

Rachel- In Georgia liberal leaning talk show host Mike Malloy had some interesting things to say on his radio show. This is a direct quote “I would like to invite one of the NRA board members, and I’ll be armed, let’s just get this over with, OK? Come on down to Georgia and I’ll be packing heat and you be packing heat or whether you want to or not, I don’t give a damn, it’s up to you. And you come, meet me someplace, and all of a sudden, see, we have stand your ground here, and all of a sudden I’m going to feel real goddamned threatened by you! And I will shoot you! If I feel threatened. The law says I can! Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha!”

John – In New Mexico on Monday, the Second Amendment Foundation won again. They had sought an injunction against New Mexico’s citizens-only CCW law and they got it. John Jackson is a citizen of Australia and a legal, and I emphasize LEGAL,  resident of the US and residing in Rio Rancho, NM. He wanted to obtain a New Mexico CCW permit. Discrimination based upon alienage or whether you are a citizen or legal resident is a constitutionally suspect. Because of this, the judge applied strict scrutiny and decided that the state of NM could not show that legal residents posed a great risk to public safety than citizens. Thus, she granted the injunction against that part of New Mexico’s law. The rest of the law stands and Mr. Jackson still has to meet all other requirements to get a permit.

Rob- Gun Quote of the day- Buy gold if you want a good return on your investment.  If you want a good return on your freedom, buy lead! John Kirkwood

Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with the interview with John Willit and Rich Petkevis from Citizens for a Safer New Jersey.  right after this advertisement for Concealment Solutions.

advertisement Concealment Solutions
Interview with John Willit and Rich Petkevis about Citizens for a Safer New Jersey.
https://www.facebook.com/citizensforasafernj
Advertisement Roadgunner Mag 40
Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Chicago citizens with carry licenses are not the only ones armed at home.  A Chicago police officer was at home with his 7 year old daughter during the middle of the day.  Men knocked at his front door and the officer ignored them thinking they were salesmen.  They weren’t.  They parked their van next to his house and then tried to force their way through the door.  The officer says one of the men drew a gun and the officer defended himself.  The injured man was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn in serious-to-critical condition.

John – Police in Denver [CO] are investigating a shooting that occurred Tuesday afternoon... According to police, a homeowner shot a juvenile burglary suspect, who suffered injuries that aren’t considered life-threatening. “The homeowner was at home at the time and he heard some glass breaking and went on down,” said Sgt. Patrick Theriot from the Denver Police Department. The homeowner told CBS4’s Stan Bush the 17-year-old burglary suspect broke in through a back window of his him, lunged at him, and he shot him in the shoulder. The teen was who was reported to be in good condition was arrested. CBS-4 characterized the Colorado Castle Doctrine as “the make my day law”. Typical media bias.

Paul- Green light. gotta run. (err drive)

Rob- A Muskogee [OK] man shot and killed a robber last Saturday night.  Kyle Flood, age 30,told police that his 46 year old neighbor Dana Lewis knocked on his door and told Flood three men were burglarizing her home and needed help. Flood went inside his home and retrieved his pistol before he stepped back outside.  Three men were outside his neighbors home and Flood told the men to leave. Instead, the three men instead him.  Flood again told them to leave until one of the men came toward him in an aggressive manner.  Flood fired one shot at the man’s chest and all three suspects fled.

Police found the man a short time later in a nearby alley.  The injured burglar was transported to Eastar Hospital and died in hospital care.  Initial investigation shows Flood acted in self-defense.

Rachel- As defensive weapon carriers, we often hear the advice, “Carry 24/7 or guess right.” The obvious conclusion is that it’s impossible to guess right – but apparently, one woman did just that. A woman in Dallas, TX has had her CHL for 3 years but never carried. She decided to carry for the first time last week…..and that was the day she needed it. She was a witness as Kim Lamphone, a fellow rider on a DART train, was confronted by a shady-looking character who said, “Lady, I’ve got a gun; give me your bag.”  The armed bystander showed him her Glock and 23-year-old Jamil Karoma ran. It was later determined that Karoma had a BB gun. As for this witness….she has decided to not take her chances, and will be carrying more often from now on.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.  We have a tips and tricks segment with Kenn Blanchard.

Advertisement NJ2AS
Tips and tricks segment with Kenn Blanchard.
Advertisement
Segment 5 Show close

Rob- Listener e-mail discussion
We had a voice mail, but Paul pulled away from the truck stop and has it with him. We will cover it this weekend.
Email from Ken
Hi, Paul.

To the one of you who said you are a Star Trek fan, if you aren’t listening to the Missionlog podcast, produced by Rod Roddenberry, you are missing a huge piece of the Star Trek universe. It’s almost like a Christmas present each and every week, as they review, discuss, and critique one episode at a time, or interview cast and crew.

They just finished TOS and currently are doing the cartoon series. Next will be Next Gen and the movies. They are doing it one episode at a time, and will get it all done in about 11 or 12 years from now!

Available on their website, or iTunes, and probably other places, too.
Ken
Laveen, AZ

Rob- Facebook message from Chad
Question for Rob – how do you dry fire a 1911?

John- Facebook message from Mick Swagger (former cast member)

Paul,
I know this is a little bit late but in Ep: 221 you rant about sheep dogs and you rant that you do not carry for others just for yourself and your family. I understand that you would rather be a good witness for the victim but MLK jr says this “The first question which the priest and the Levite asked was: “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?” But… the good Samaritan reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?””

Rachel: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time. Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us. Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

 

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

 

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 224 – Andrew Rothman, Joe Kalil and Rants

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded Saturday March 29th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have a return interview with Joe Kalil from Protect Our Students and Teachers.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also talked with Andrew Rothman of Minneota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance. So climb aboard!
John: Strap in!
Paul: And hang on! Episode 224 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant

John: I am going to pre-empt Rob a bit. I made my contribution to James Kaleda’s legal defense fund on Wednesday. I engaged in a bit of multi-tasking during the show!

Rob- Dry practiced. My local tea party asked me if I could get a gun donated so they could raffle one off on April 15th. I had to give them a refresher on California gun laws.

Break
advertisement ABN

Seg 2- News
John- Rob has a speech, a lecture, a tirade. He is about to espouse, advocate, lecture and pontificate. Oh, No. Here is his rant.

Rob- Young boys and girls who play videogames are more likely to think and act in aggressive ways. That is old news, but it was reconfirmed with a study of more than 3,000 schoolchildren in Singapore. Published in the pediatric journal of the American Medical Association, the research sampled children over the course of three years. Frequent use of video games was linked to higher rates of aggressive behaviors and thoughts. The participants’ average age was 11 at the start of the study, and three-quarters of them were boys. The study also found that answers were similar between boys and girls, and that parental involvement was not likely to change the likelihood of violent behavior. http://news.yahoo.com/video-games-linked-aggressive-behavior-kids-203144445.html

This simply confirms what I’ve thought for a long time.  (More notes at Fantasy Violence and Fantasy Solutions)

John: The first thing I’d say about this study is that it was of schoolchildren in Singapore. Given the cultural differences between Singapore and the United States, the applicability of the study to American kids has to be called into question. They are a multi-ethnic society crowded into a very small space.

Next, I’d like to add a personal observation based upon Barb’s nephews Kyle and Aaron. They both have played Halo thousands of hours each. In fact they have played Halo professionally in both team and individual competitions. Between the two of them, they have literally won hundreds of thousands of dollars. Indeed, in the Halo 4 Global Championship, Aaron was the champion and took home $200,000.  With such exposure to a first-person shooter game such as Halo, if you are to accept the AMA study findings at face value, they should be rather aggressive and even violent. Nothing could be further from the truth. Kyle is a college graduate and Aaron in a junior majoring in chem engineering. I think it goes back to the parents and how they are raised as well as the expectations. Aggressive, violent anti-social would not have been tolerated by their parents and they knew it.

Paul: I would like to remind everyone that we aren’t looking to ban video games, and if you listen to this show you will see that I think that they may be a small benefit to society. The numbers of people who are affected negatively by these games is tiny, and they do supply a bonding of sorts for my boys and I. Like alcohol there can be therapeutic effects and they can me abused. Parenting is the key.

 
Gun Quotes
No law ever written has stopped any robber, rapist or killer, like cold blue steel in the hands of their last intended victim. — W. Emerson Wright

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
advertisement Concealment Solutions
Seg 3 Interviews
-Andrew Rothman from Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance and
-Joe Kalil from Protect our Students and Teachers
Advertisement Roadgunner Mag 40
Segment 4 DGUs

Paul- James Kaleda needs us fund his legal defense against New Jersey.  Do it here, and I will ask when I meet you. I did! http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund

John- The Connecticut Citizens Defense League has a rally scheduled on April 5th in Hartford Connecticut  Connecticut deserves our support.  New York, Massachusets and Rhode Island gun owners are close enough to drive over.  http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally

Rob- Mail in your NRA ballot too!  Ballots must be received by April 6th.

John- We don’t have a lot of details in tonight’s first DGU, Early Friday morning a group of thugs invaded a home in North Beaver Township, Pennsylvania. The three attackers proceeded to pistol whip one of the residents of the home, who during the attack was able to retrieve his rifle and opened fire on the attackers. All of whom immediately fled. a neighbor reported “ I heard 3 shots, quick ones. Then staggered there were 3 more after that.” One of the attackers wound up at a local hospital where he is in critical condition.The other 2 have not yet been found.

Paul – This isn’t a “ New” DGU. Susan fired off a link to a story where last November an armed citizen noticed an armed robbery taking place. The armed citizen called 911 from outside the Reading Pennsylvania store where the robbery was occurring. As the robbers came out of the store he hollered at the men to stop and that the police were on the way. The thugs then pointed guns at the armed citizen. The armed citizen then drew and fired his own weapon killing the 2 who threatened him while a 3rd thug, the getaway driver, fled the scene and was arrested by police later that day. If only the story ended there. Families for the 2 criminals have threatened to file lawsuits seeking “Justice” for the violent felons. The mother of one of the two killed in while committing an armed felony stated “It’s not fair, it’s not fair. People painted a picture like he is a bad person. He is not a bad person.”  Pennsylvania does have a castle doctrine that prevents those who are injured or the families of those who are killed in a justifiable shooting from filing lawsuits against those who defend themselves.  I haven’t been able to find any more information on the outcome of the threatened lawsuits or if indeed they ever did get filed. If I can find information I will put it in a later show. Meanwhile if you want to get our blood boiling a little bit I encourage you to go watch the video, the link is in the show notes and I was HOPPING mad for quite a while after watching it.

John- A Tulsa, Oklahoma homeowner woke up to the sound of his burglar alarm.  The homeowner got his gun and then surprised a man and a young girl in his garage. The man ran away and the homeowner fired several shots but police officers don’t believe the intruder was hit.  The homeowner held the 16-year-old girl at gunpoint until police arrived and took her to jail.

This is a great example of what NOT to do.  Unless your loved ones are involved, don’t clear your house.  Call the police and let them send in a dog.  Also, don’t shoot at fleeing suspects.  This is not a game!  The homeowner should have been charged with murder had he killed the fleeing intruder. http://www.newson6.com/story/25014302/police-tulsa-man-shoots-at-burglar-in-his-home

Rob- Back to Pennsylvania, a man kicked in the front door of a York County home, only to find a woman waiting for him with her handgun at the ready.  The 31-year-old Glenville woman was alone when she heard someone trying to force their way inside.  She  trains on a regular basis and grabbed her handgun.  THEN she called 911 and reported a burglary in progress.  When the man made it through her front door, the homeowner leveled her gun and told the intruder not to come any closer.  The intruder was found sitting on the front porch of a neighbor’s home when an officer arrived. http://www.abc27.com/story/25101495/home-intruder-found-pistol-packing-woman-police-say

Paul- A 17 year old teenager from Kingman Arizona was hospitalized in critical condition after being shot while illegally entering a home through a window. The teenager walked away from the scene, but was found by police lying on the ground a few blocks away.  Paramedics took the teenager to Kingman Regional Medical Center and from there he was flown to Sunrise Medical Center in Las Vegas.  The 22 year old homeowner was not charged and released by police.   http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25092723/sheriff-teen-shot-while-illegally-entering-home -

John- An off-duty Rowan (ROE-ann) County Sheriff’s Deputy was eating at the China Buffet in Salisbury (SAULS-berry), NC this past Tuesday when a masked man armed with a shotgun tried to rob the restaurant. Deputy John Kempf, Jr. confronted Sakhar Robinson, 20, showed his badge, and tried to end it peacefully. Robinson continued to threaten the customers with the shotgun whereupon the deputy shot him 3 times in the chest with his Glock killing him. The case, like all officer involved shootings, is being investigated by the State Bureau of Investigation. That said, it looks like Deputy Kempf prevented an armed robbery and protected both staff and customers.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Advertisement NJ2AS
Tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson and team tactics

Advertisement
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion

Paul- Feedback on Facebook from Michael B

Great show guys!! Love what you said. I cringe when I hear all this “I will not comply” stuff because I know most don’t mean it. In fact I’ll bet most don’t even vote or join NRA just like you said. Anyway you said what needed to be said. That’s why I also like Paul Markel. He always tells it the way it is without worrying about hurting someone’s feelings. I love that. We need to get tough with each other. Thanks guys.

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

 

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

 

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?  I do.  This one is titled “self-defense versus political power”  Our rights are ignored by politicians who chase money from their big donors.  https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2014/03/29/self-defense-versus-political-power/

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 223- Action Shooting Radio

The video above is the “raw” recording session of the show. It is us, warts and all. The audio link above that is the REAL show.

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, the 26th of March, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with the guys from Action Shooting Radio
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun and a tips and tricks segment with David Cole.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 223 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul: The only thing gun related I got to do since the last time we recorded was to inform an officer of the Joplin PD that I was carrying. He told me thanks!

John: No gun news to report but I did book my room for the NRA Annual Meeting in Indianapolis which is being held April 25-27. If you are anywhere near Indy, I’d suggest trying to at least make a day trip of it. As Rob can attest, it is a great experience.

Rachel: Nothing much. Just staffed the Appleseed booth at the national AG&AG conference in Waco Thursday through Sunday, had my County convention on Saturday (and was responsible for some drama there), a bunch of activists I trained did better at making stuff happen in their conventions than I did in mine, and now I’m prepping for the Appleseed shoot I’m shoot bossing in San Antonio this weekend. Working with Texas Law Shield on some projects with TFF. Nothing to see here, just everyday work….

Break

advertisement ABN
Seg 2- News

“I will not comply” Rant

I personally love the “I will not comply” attitude when it comes to confiscation of firearms. It after all is the one final answer that we all can give that lets the politicians know the really very limited power that they do have. However there are a few things that I would like to bring out and explore around this. #1 If you say it, mean it, and know what it means. Unfortunately there are a lot of “mall ninjas” that hang around the firearms and Second Amendment arena. They want the toys, they want the cool stuff, but when it comes time to do the work they are no where to be found. These are the same people who when you ask, “Are you an NRA member?” give you some BS answer about not wanting to be on a list or being angry about something the NRA did in the mid 60’s to mid 80’s. You then ask if they are a SAF member and they give you a blank stare, trying to think of what the SAF is. A lot of these people are now the ones screaming out “Molon Labe! I will not comply!”

Let’s explore what will – and I did say WILL happen when you don’t comply.

1) – They will come for you. Eventually some form of law enforcement will show up, and if you are lucky you will get a knock on your door and your stuff will be confiscated and you will go to jail. If you are unlucky the door will explode open and the shock troops will come in and take the house or your place of business in a no-knock raid.

#2) If you think that the weapons charge is the only thing that they will charge you with (should you survive the arrest) then you are sorely mistaken. Should it come to the point where they are starting to confiscate weapons they are going to try to make all arrests look like they are going after the dregs of society. Have you ever been a little late filing with the IRS? Did you once have a little bit too much to drink before driving home and plead that down to a misdemeanor? Have you always returned every library book on time? They are going to dig VERY deep before the raid to make sure that they can make you look bad when they parade you in front of the media.

#3) The rest of the gun owning public won’t charge in and break you out of jail. At least at the very beginning the rest of us will be worried about ourselves and what we are are doing to keep our families safe. We will see the storm clouds brewing and be preparing for the storm. Let’s go back to the pre revolutionary war period. The shot heard ‘round the world was not the British regulars first attempt at confiscation. The Boston Massacre occurred 5 years before the battle of Lexington and Concord. I do not expect a 5 year build up, but it happened then, and I don’t expect 1 incident to bring the ire of 100 million plus gun owners to the surface immediately.

4) If you say it, and you mean it, know that many, many of us stand with you. Even with all that I have said, and all of the horribleness that will fall upon those that are victimised first know that there really are many of us in the 100 plus million gun owners that truly do stand with you. I know that Anthony Colandro meant it when he said it. There are many more whom I believe when I hear them say it. I hope that soon our voices will reach the right places and true change can happen. We ARE winning the fight for our rights, slowly and with some setbacks, but we are winning. I believe there will come a time in my lifetime when the 2nd Amendment will be my carry permit, and the 14th Amendment will be my reciprocity agreement. But for now we are threatened in many areas with laws that would make criminals of us.

In every battle there are casualties. Every soldier that volunteers to put on the uniform for our country knows that they could be injured or killed in their service. What I am asking is for every gun owner to become a soldier for our rights. It could be costly for you. You could be arrested, you could lose your reputation. You could lose a lot more. Know this before taking up the cause. If you say “I will not comply” and “MOLON LABE” then in my opinion you MUST belong to the NRA and The SAF. You MUST be registered to vote and YOU MUST VOTE! We have a chance to turn things our direction this November peaceably, but of you are not participating you are nothing but a mall ninja in the 2A world wanting the cool stuff without doing any of the work that comes with it.

End of rant.
Break

News-
James Kaleda needs our support.  Do it here, and I will ask when I meet you. John?  Rachel?  Paul?  Susan?  http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund

Connecticut Citizens Defense League has a rally scheduled on April 5th in Hartford Connecticut  Connecticut deserves our support. http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally

Mail in your NRA ballot too!

Paul- A California state senator who both represents San Francisco, and who enthusiastically authored gun control legislation was arrested after he asked for campaign donations in exchange for introducing an undercover FBI agent to an arms trafficker.  The allegations against State Sen. Leland Yee were outlined in an FBI affidavit in support of a criminal complaint. The affidavit accuses Yee of conspiracy to deal firearms without a license and to illegally import firearms.  Yee is also accused wire fraud for accepting tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions and cash payments to provide introductions, help a client get a contract and influence legislation.  Yee discussed helping the FBI agent get weapons worth $500,000 to $2.5 million, including shoulder fired automatic weapons and missiles, and took him through the entire process of getting them from a Muslim separatist group in the Philippines to the United States. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-california-state-sen-leland-yee-arrested-23068331

Rob’s comment- Timothy Sullivan, a notoriously corrupt Tammany Hall politician,

John-  John Lott said “Our soldiers need protection on base.. and should be armed. Currently, soldiers on military bases are not allowed to carry guns. Indeed, the military specifically forbids personnel from carrying firearms for personal protection except when “a credible and specific threat against [military] personnel [exists] in that region.”

That sounds like the same “justifiable need” statement they use in California, New Jersey and Maryland.  That is why, during the Navy yard shooting, the unarmed soldiers, sailors  and marines could do nothing but cower as the shooter fired round after round. For perspective, military bases have relatively few military police since crime rates on bases are normally low.  And it was a similar story in 2009 at Fort Hood. Maj. Nidal Hasan was unchallenged as he stood on a desk and kept shooting down victim after victim in work cubicles at Fort Hood, Texas. http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/5795440-74/bases-ducks-military#ixzz2x6Y8Gdcu

Rachel- Don’t put your faith in judges.  Washington DC resident Mark Witaschek was convicted of having unlawful ammunition for a muzzle loading rifle.. the same rifle that does not require registration in DC.  That means you have to register your rifle that doesn’t require registration.. so you can register the rifle’s ammunition.  The judge didn’t know guns from gorillas.  Judge Robert Morin sentenced Mr. Witaschek to time served, a $50 fine and required him to enroll with the Metropolitan Police Department’s firearm offenders’ registry within 48 hours.  The case will cost Witaschek hundreds of thousands of dollars. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/26/miller-exclusive-shock-verdict-mark-witaschek-guil/

John -You may now record the police in Illinois after this court ruling from the Illinois supreme court. A non-english speaker was imprisoned for over 20 months after recording a conversation with a court reporter supervisor. http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=11655

Rob- About 150 attendees filed into Lansingburgh’s Grace Baptist Church this past Sunday to hear Pastor John Koletas’ hymn and enter a raffle to win an AR-15 rifle, the Times Union reported.

Pastor Koletas preached in front of a large American flag and had a right-to-bear-arms-text hanging on the walls of the church.  This is at least the second raffle of the month.  “We have our Constitution to protect us, but we have our liberty to protect ourselves,” Koletas said during Sunday’s service.  Churchgoers were relatively calm and quiet as they filled the pews and submitted their names for the raffle.  42-year-old Schenectady resident Ron Stafford won the rifle, valued between $800 and $1,200.

Paul -If you were so foolish as to trust an Illinois politician, please please think again.  The first batch of carry license denial letters have gone out from the Illinois State Police.  As feared, the letters  do not specify which agency filed an objection, the contents of the objection or specifically how the individual is a danger to themselves and/or public safety. In short, what we’ve got is a “may issue” licensing scheme, crafted by House Speaker Michael Madigan, where anti-gun local officials can reject license applications for any reason at all.  NRA’s lawyers are putting together their legal response. http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=11646

Break

John- The National Shooting Sports Foundation does not send out alerts or “take action” notices very often. In fact, they’re rare. When they do urge action, it’s usually a significant issue.  Last week the NSSF asked gun owners to contact their senators to stop Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s attempt to force the Administration into issuing an executive order banning the importation of certain semi-auto modern sporting rifles. http://thegunwriter.blogs.heraldtribune.com/16133/senators-want-exec-order-banning-import-of-semi-auto-rifles/  (Rob has a comment)

John -This is why you lock your doors and try to retreat.  A Houston firefighter returning home from a night of St. Patrick’s Day partying was shot and killed by his next-door neighbor when he tried to enter the wrong house.  27 year old Sam Keen was asked to leave the bar so his friends put him in a cab.  The cab stopped next door, rather than in front of Keen’s house. Keen couldn’t find his way home and entered the wrong house.  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/off-duty-houston-firefighter-shot-dead-by-neighbor/

Rob – Idaho is part of a growing number of states that are seeking to nullify federal firearms laws. Congratulations to Idaho on being among the first to actually pass a nullification bill. Their bill, S1332, was signed by the governor last week and applies to future federal law. Specifically, this bill is designed to “protect Idaho law enforcement officers from being directed, through federal executive orders, agency orders, statutes, laws, rules, or regulations enacted or promulgated on or after the effective date of this act, to violate their oath of office and Idaho citizens’ rights under Section 11, Article I, of the Constitution of the State of Idaho.” Violators will be fined $1,000.

Rachel –  A couple weeks ago, we had Keith Morgan from WVCDL on the show to talk about the success of their group’s intense efforts to get SB317 through the WV legislature. SB317 is the state preemption bill for gun carry laws. After we spoke, they had to engage in another battle when there was a question about whether the governor would actually sign the bill. They’ve been working feverishly to get his signature – that finally happened yesterday. Kudos to the grassroots activists at WVCDL.

West Virginia Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin’s statement: “This evening, I signed Senate Bill 317 because I support our 2nd Amendment rights, and I also see the need for uniform and consistent gun laws throughout the state. I believe this legislation will give municipalities clarity for regulating firearms in their facilities.”

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/detroit-homeowner-holds-teen-robber-at-gunpoint-until-police-arrive/25158758#.UzIo6C8by-g.facebook

John DGU- Near Detroit, a Jet’s Pizza delivery driver shot back after he was robbed at gunpoint at about 11 p.m. Saturday in Redford.  The victim was making a delivery to a residence where two men posed as customers.  One of the men grabbed the driver and the other man showed a handgun and demanded the victim’s money.  The legally armed delivery driver shot the suspects.  The uninjured driver left the area and called 911.  The robbers also fled in a waiting vehicle. One of the men was later found at a local hospital with multiple gunshot wounds, and another man was arrested Monday night, police reports said.  The injured suspect, Clarence Sanders, 27, of Detroit, was arraigned Monday in the hospital on a charge of armed robbery, according to Redford Police.

A warrant request is being prepared on the second suspect.

http://www.hometownlife.com/article/20140325/NEWS16/303250018/Pizza-delivery-man-shoots-back-after-robbery

 

Rachel DGU- An adult man was killed in a shooting in Bakersfield, California and another was escorted from a home and  placed in a police vehicle. The Bakersfield Police Department said that at about 4:51 a.m., Shawn Christian Ibarra, 35, armed himself with a breaker bar and kicked in the front door. He was then shot by another man in the house, which resulted in the death of Ibarra. Ibarra was on Post Release Community Supervision.. commonly called “early release” from prison.  Police believe the homeowners and Ibarra knew one another. http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/person-suffered-major-injuries-in-incident-in-northeast-bakersfield-police-say-032414

Paul DGU- An intruder called 911 after he was shot during a break in attempt, in Iberia Parish, Louisiana.  Charles Prince attempted to break into a balcony bedroom at a home on East Admiral Doyle Drive.  Prince woke the victim, who grabbed a handgun and fired 2 shots at Prince, hitting him once in the arm.  The homeowner called the Sheriff’s Office around 8:39 p.m. and explained that he had shot at an intruder.  Shortly afterward, the Sheriff received a 911 call from Prince who said he had been shot near the victim’s home.  Prince was transported to the Iberia Medical Center, and will be charged with Unauthorized Entry of an Inhabited Dwelling.

http://fox44.com/news/crimetracker/intruder-calls-911-after-getting-shot-during-break-attempt

Rob DGU- Michael Huston, 26, faces one count of residential burglary and one count of possession of burglary tools, both felonies, according to the Kane County Illinois Sheriff’s office. Huston broke into a house and was shot by the homeowner.  Huston was found by sheriff’s deputies a few blocks away from the burglary and taken to Delnor Community Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.  The 43-year-old homeowner was alone at home at the time, and has a valid Illinois FOID card.

http://beaconnews.suntimes.com/news/26418166-418/intruder-shot-by-st-charles-township-homeowner-is-charged-with-burglary.html

Gun Quotes
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” – Sigmund Freud

advertisement Concealment Solutions
Seg 3 InterviewsAction shooting radio

Advertisement Roadgunner Mag 40
Segment 4 DGUs

Rob DGU NSF- A group of boys, one as young as 13, tried breaking into a home Sunday on Bedford Street in Detroit. His house was robbed the day before, but this time Gregory Lindsey was home. Mister Lindsey’s son was downstairs doing homework when he heard banging on the door. Outside, five or six young boys were trying to get in. The homeowner took his semi- auto 22 and ran out the front door. “Lots of them scattered, but I caught one,” Lindsey said. For 20 minutes the teen sat on Lindsey’s porch at gunpoint, until police arrived. “He was kind of scared but it’s a lesson that needs to be learned because too many kids are going to people’s houses and getting shot now… Whoever got through that door would absolutely have been shot.”

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

John, mention Dave Cole for Tips and Tricks
Advertisement NJ2AS

Tips and tricks segment Dave Cole!

Advertisement

Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Paul : Charlie Foxtrot sent me a message letting me know that for those that are missing the old GRRN forums that there are new forums up at www.gunnation.us all former GRRN forum participants are encouraged to check it out.

Rachel: Email from Chris
Hi Everyone,

I haven’t had a reason to write to the show before but something Rob said on episode 222 compelled me to compose this. After mentioning the James Kaleda situation again and that his defense fund was coming up short I feel it would be wise to bring one of my few moments of shear brilliance to your attention. I call it $22 for 2A.

It really started about 2 weeks ago when the phone rang while listening to another podcast that just happened to be discussing this injustice at that exact moment . While checking the caller ID I realized the number 2 and letter A are on the same key. Thats when the light bulb came on.

Here’s how it works – it’s sort of a challenge to all those keyboard commandos out there. What you do is wait until the lottery jackpot gets a little bigger before buying a ticket, maybe leave the range with some extra ammo instead of having to buy and use an entire case each time. Take that money you didn’t spend and send $22 to the James Kaleda defense fund. I’m sure Rob will put it the show notes for those that may be google challenged.

It goes without saying that James stuck his neck out for anyone, anywhere, that owns a firearm or believes in the right to self defense. He deserves our support. I’ve donated and I don’t even live in the US.

Progressive socialism – the kind that seeks to strip you of your rights and make everyone dependant on government knows no borders. It’s like a septic pile of black goo that oozes it’s way around the world. When one nation has a brain cramp on firearms laws it would not surprise me if some faceless beauracrat at the UN is immediately spreading the word to other countries – saying…”You should try this.”. The border between Canada and the USA is really just a line on the map used to collect taxes. When something happens in one country the other is likely to follow. I don’t need to mention what is going on in Connecticut, New York, and our own issues with the CZ-858/Swiss Classic Green and Canada’s largest street gang – the RCMP.

Thanks for mentioning us and our troubles north of the 49th. It reassuring to know we’re not alone.

In the words of a great Canadian comic, Red Green, “Remember I’m pullin’ for ya; were all in this together.”.

Until next time,

Chris – Typing from the Peoples Republic of Canada.

John: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

John: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rachel: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Paul: John, do you have any post on your blog you want to mention?

John: I did a post earlier this week about the Jefferson County Arkansas Sheriffs’ Department. You know how anti-gun police and sheriffs’ departments have gun buybacks? Well, they had a gun auction that netted them over $125,000! I call it the anti-anti-gun buyback. Even better was was this statement from the JCSD: “Today’s auction provided citizens an informative, secure, and safe way to buy firearms at a bargain.” Well said, JCSD, well said.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 222 – Shooter Ready Radio, George Hill and Ken Kowalski

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, March 22nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have shooter ready radio as guests.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
George: I’m George Hill, author of Uprising USA
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, the one who REALLY runs the show here. So climb aboard!
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 222 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob: I donated to James Kaleda. Have you? I also mailed in my NRA ballot. I voted for Collandro and Hill.

John: I’m sorry I couldn’t make it on Wednesday. I had an out of town business meeting that wasn’t optional. Like Rob, I mailed in my NRA ballot which included Anthony Colandro who was on the show Wednesday.

I’d like to ask our listeners to remember Bob Mayne of the Handgun World Podcast and David Codrea, the National Gun Rights Examiner, in their thoughts and prayers. Bob is battling a serious illness ( do we want to say cancer?) and David is in the hospital recovering from two broken ribs plus pneumonia.

Break
advertisement ABN
Seg 2- News

Rob’s rant- Please take this to heart. This is from my friend Jay Wells. Last week her friend got tangled up with New York City. You know something is wrong when you hear the words, “I spent the weekend in jail.” This guy was visiting family in New York when the good Samaritan called 911 while he was driving because his passenger became sick and needed immediate aid. The passenger got medical attention, but the police arrived as well. Then, the law searched my friend’s vehicle. No one was inhospitable or uncooperative nor aggressive. The polite policeman in charge calmly explained about how there were times to ignore minor offenses, but they could not overlook the tool laying all by its lonesome on the console. The man spent the weekend of March 15th in jail for a pocket knife. I am surprised no one goes to jail for possession of a butter knife.

This is like a speeding ticket. The city is simply raising money by picking on travelers. Pay the fine or pay the consequence. For most of us it’s like stepping into a whole other world, a different dimension that transports you back to small town southern sheriffs who fine you “because you not from around here, are ya” I expect this from corrupt third world police, but not from New York City cops who arrive with emergency medical personnel.

Believe it. It will happen to you, and it is a felony. You will pay thousands of dollars to your New York City lawyer and more in fines to get the charges pled down to a misdemeanor.

I know something else. I know why you don’t believe this story. You don’t want to face the injustice in our own backyard. I don’t visit New York. Not even the airports. Nada.
=============

http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th and it is sponsored by Connecticut Citizens Defense League.  Connecticut deserves our support.

1) -In a decision released Thursday by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Baker v. Kealoha, the court followed the lead of the recent Peruta case to declare Hawaii’s restrictions on firearms carry unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.

The case was heard by the same trio of judges who sat on the earlier Peruta and Richards cases in California, which challenged the state’s restrictive ‘may issue’ policies that required concealed carry permit applicants to show “good cause” to warrant a permit. The judges, O’Scannlain,  Thomas and  Callahan, heard Baker in December 2013 and issued their findings Thursday.

Next Wednesday is the last day to file an appeal for a review by the entire court.  There is no timeline for the court to accept the case. (Rob has coments)

2) -There are also California counties who won’t wait for the judges to rule. Yvonne Freeman is 66 years old and has lived in California more than 30 years. She says the darn notice she got from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department about her concealed weapon permit application is unreasonable.  Her interview appointment was July 26 which seems more than three months away.. at first.   Then Yvonne looked closer.  “It was July 26, 2016.  I might be dead by 2016, she said.  By law, the application process can only take 90 days, which is why the sheriff’s department delays the “initial interview”.

3)- The school curriculum expanded unexpectedly at the Riverside campus of Austin Community College.  There were two separate incidents of carjacking next to the school.  That makes sense for a criminal, because while it could be a zone of overlapping law enforcement from both Austin and the college, in this case both departments were caught unaware.  The victims said two men brandishing a handgun tapped on the window and told the student to get out of the car.  Remember that campus carry is outlawed in Texas, so students are disarmed both on campus, and as they travel to school.  Those gun free school zones leave students at greater risk.  The Austin police issued an “alert” to students telling them they are likely victims.

4)- Here is a different lesson from school. Pueblo county, Colorado students went to a shooting range after studying Revolutionary War history. Well done, Craver middle school and Project Appleseed. The appleseed program has a history segment for the classroom called Libertyseeds.  These teachers took advantage of it.  They brought history alive and made sure the students learned gun safety.  Pueblo, Colorado is a long way from Boulder.

Rob’s comment- We were talking about school education on the Polite Society staff page only the other day. Dreams do come true.

5)-A local gun range is stepping up to host a crime prevention workshop. A few days ago we commented on Jitterz Java, a coffee shop that had been robbed three times in the last month, and now the baristas are armed.  Jitterz is in a neighborhood that has suffered a crime wave.  There have been eight Spokane business robberies in the last month.  Sharp Shooting gun range, as well as the Spokane County Sheriff’s Department, want people to know how to safely use their weapons. Even more importantly, they want them to know the law!  That is why Sharp Shooting wants to educate business owners about safe business practices whether they carry a firearm or not.

6)-The crazy senator from California is at it again.  Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein circulated a letter on Capitol Hill calling for a ban on importing semi-automatic rifles.  The ban reinterprets the 1968 gun control act and would target attributes like “thumbhole stocks” and “semi-automatic rifles with fixed or detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds”.  This would prohibit import of tube-fed .22 rimfire rifles.  Crazy Dianne said “Prohibit the importation of assault pistols, in addition to assault rifles.”  Dianne took her language right from the Brady Campaign by calling common handguns “assault pistols”.  The letter does not appear on her Senate.gov webpage where the people of california can read it.  We have a link to the entire letter in our show notes.

Rob has comments.  I’m sorry the fruits and nuts of California elected Feinstein.Will President Barack Obama use his phone and his pen to circumvent the legislature?

John: In other news from the US Senate, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is pushing a bill called the Media Shield Law. As part of the bill, it would define who is and isn’t a journalist and thus protected by the First Amendment’s guarantee of a free press. This bill would protect what David Codrea has long called “authorized journalists” but would not protect us here at the Polite Society Podcast nor Rob or myself as bloggers. Given that Operation Fast and Furious – the ATF’s gun walking effort – was discovered through the efforts of bloggers – or, more appropriately,  citizen journalists -, this bill is a travesty. If we had a press that was something more than an adjunct to the White House Office of Communications or Democratic National Committee, it might not be so critical. However, we don’t and it is critical that this bill be stopped. Unfortunately, it looks likes at least five Senate Republicans have bought into this nonsense. It is time to call your Senator on this one and say no.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

Gun Quotes
Our Founding Fathers were proud that Americans were trusted with arms because they knew that only when people are armed could they truly be thought of as free citizens. And that’s where the circle closes. Those who want to deprive you of your right to keep and bear arms are intending to deprive you of your freedom, period. Like the criminals their policies encourage, these elitists know that it is always best to disarm victims before you enslave them. — Charley Reese

Break
Interview with Shooter Ready Radiosrradvertisement Concealment Solutions
Seg 3 Interview with George Hill

Advertisement Roadgunner Mag 40
Segment 4 DGUs

-Early this past Monday morning in Charlotte, NC , Issac Ray Carelock thought it would be a smart thing to do to try and force his way into his ex-girlfriend’s house by kicking in the door. Unfortunately for him, she was armed. When he pointed his firearm at her, she fired four times. Police found him dead on the porch when they arrived. The Mecklenburg County DA is examining the case to see whether any charges will be brought.

(Paul’s comment – Flowers and chocolates always work better than kicking in a door.)

-Neighbors noticed a burglary in progress and called police to a locked and unoccupied home in Red Bluff, California.  They saw a man pushing a riding lawn mower from the back yard to the road in front of the house along with a full golf club caddie and tools.  An armed neighbor intervened and safely held Camron Michael Crismon at gun point for the short time until deputies arrived.  Deputies found that Crismon, age 39, had caused damage to the residence and surrounding gates and had spray painted graffiti on the residence.  Crismon was booked at Tehama County Jail for felony burglary, possession of stolen property and vandalism.  His bail was set at $80,000.

(Paul has a comment on this one too)

-An attempted robbery in Memphis, Tennessee early Tuesday left the attacker dead.  A man and a women in their 20s were the intended victims.  They were inside an apartment complex in the Whitehaven neighborhood when a man approached with a gun and demanded their valuables.  The couple fought back instead.  The female victim grabbed the suspect’s gun during the struggle and fired several shots, striking both the suspect and her male companion.  The suspect was pronounced dead when police arrived. The male victim was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to recover.  The news reports include comments from the neighbors who have little sympathy for the dead assailant.

Rob’s comments-  Wouldn’t it be better to bring your own gun rather than have to borrow the criminal’s gun?  Also, I can hear the liberal city councilwoman from Memphis saying they need more gun control and we’d save lives by stopping these illegal gun transfers.. when a victim disarms a criminal.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
Advertisement NJ2AS
Tips and tricks segment with Kathy Jackson
Advertisement
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion

Paul – From Logan on our Facebook site:

In response to Paul’s rant about the Sheep, Wolf, Sheep dog analogy. This is my take on it.

Sheep = people in condition white, “Someone will always be there to keep me safe and take care of me.”

Wolf = The bad guy, armed and dangerous with little to no moral compass.

Sheep Dog = Anyone who has taken their safety and their family’s safety as their responsibility and are alert for dangers. Not necessarily the good guy arresting the bad guys, or the good guy who “saves the helpless sheep”. While there are situations where that would be the case (Aurora, Colorado) in most situations you’re right, it could do more harm than good if you don’t know what’s really going on. And like you said, the sheep dog takes directions from the Shepherd.

Shepherd = God (or your source of guidance for your moral compass pointing to good)

Love the show, I’ve been a listener for about a year and look forward to having a chance to listen every week. Thanks for all you guys and gal do.

Rob – Jeremy from Email:

Just listening to the latest podcast (not done with it yet) I had to write about the sheep and sheepdog thing.  Wolves are not evil or bad, they do what they do to survive.  That is different than criminals that go out looking for trouble because they won’t get regular work.  That is why I have never liked that analogy.
I do agree it is an easy concept for people to understand, but has always been flawed.  That is in contrast to your wonderful show.  Keep it up!

John – Rick in Wyoming also sent an Email

How about adding my state’s freedom group to your list?  WyGO (Wyoming Gun Owners Ass.)  I listen to every show while driving, and sometimes WATCH from truck stops all over the west.  Too cool.

Rob & Rachel: I know Paul can be a rough boss, but hang in there.  The mix of personalities is great.

Keep it up, guys.

Rick in Wyoming.  (Well, sometimes I’m in Wyoming.   I’m a truck driver.)

Paul – James emailed this in:

I thought y’all might be interested to know what is going on in the Arizona Legislature this year. Here is the latest update from AZCDL:

All AzCDL-requested bills passed out of their originating chamber (House or Senate) last week and were heard in committee this week before the March 21 deadline.  With the state budget being negotiated as this is written, the session could come to an end within weeks, and so all bills must effectively be immediately ready to send to the Governor.  We will need your assistance in contacting your Legislators as bills approach Committee of the Whole (COW) and floor votes.

The following firearms bills have crossed chambers, passed out of committee and are still viable.  The status of all the bills that AzCDL is watching this session can be found on our Bill Tracking page.

HB 2103, the AzCDL-requested bill lowering the age limit for CCW permit eligibility to 19 for those with military service, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2322, which was amended in the House so that it would only provide data on mental health adjudications to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background System (NICS) system, as required by federal law, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee hearing on March 19.  As long as no further amendments are added to the current language of this bill, our position will remain neutral.

HB 2336, which clarifies that law enforcement officers cannot carry a firearm and consume alcohol at licensed liquor establishments unless in the performance of their duties, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2338, the AzCDL-requested bill that adds to the definition of Aggravated Assault the illegal taking, or attempted taking, of a legally possessed (i.e., your) firearm, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2339, the AzCDL-requested bill that would allow CCW permit holders to carry in public buildings unless everyone entering is screened for weapons, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2443, which would allow active duty military personnel stationed in Arizona to obtain hunting permits, passed out of the Senate Natural Resources and Rural Affairs (NRRA) committee hearing on March 19.

HB 2483, which would strengthen the protection of the lawful use of firearms, air guns and archery equipment on private property, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2517, which would add penalties for cities and counties violating state firearms preemption law, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2535 (amended), which would require local law enforcement to sign required NFA transfers within 60 days after receiving a request for certification, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

SB 1063, the AzCDL-requested bill that would make “no firearms” signs on public buildings unenforceable unless the statutory weapons storage requirements are followed, passed out the House Judiciary Committee on March 20.

SB 1118, dealing with criminal trespass by hunters, passed out of the House Public Safety, Military and Regulatory Affairs (PSMRA) Committee on March 12 and House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1266 (amended), which would allow judicial officials to carry non-prohibited weapons in their workplace, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13 and the House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1366 (replaced SB 1064), which clarifies that a firearm, by definition, uses a burning propellant, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13.

The following bills did not survive the March 21 deadline.

HB 2412, which would allow designated individuals meeting certain training requirements to carry firearms on K-12 school grounds, was never scheduled for a House Committee of the Whole (COW) debate or Third Read vote.

SB 1294, which would void (in Arizona) any federal law that violates the Second Amendment, was never scheduled for a Senate COW debate or Third Read vote.

As bills progress we will keep you informed via these alerts.  Watch for our Action Alerts on bills needing your help using our Legislative Action Center.

Don’t forget!  Every AzCDL member who sends the emails we generate from our Legislative Action Center will be entered into our raffles for Brownells gift certificates.

These alerts are a project of the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AzCDL), an all-volunteer, non-profit, non-partisan grassroots organization.

AzCDL – Protecting Your Freedom .

James

John – Finally we got an email from a Listener who wishes to remain nameless

http://m.wmctv.com/#!/newsDetail/25018724
Paul
This is a link to a local story. This , to me , is a perfect argument for not restricting magazine capacity. Ten shots fired and no one hit. As you often say, a little inside baseball. Since we are a relatively small suburb of Memphis, and I have family that works for the police dept. , I have had the opportunity to train with some of these guys and in my eyes, they are good. I talked to one of the guys on the swat team and asked him how this happens. His only response was that you have no way to train for the amount of stress that this puts on a person, even those with high levels of training. I don’t know if you would use
this on a show, but if you feel it is airworthy, then by all means use it. I only ask that you not use my name because I don’t know if anyone of my contacts in the pd listen, and I would not want to compromise any of my friends and family. One question about the podcast, what is going on with the timer ?
Recently, I have noticed the stated time for the show is actually shorter than the actual show. If the show says it is say 1 hour long, my timer will run to 0:00 and the show is still going strong.  Not that this is a big deal, just wondering what was up. I love the show and I love the cohorts past and present.

Keep up the good work and if you ever travel I-40 through the Memphis area I would like to meet with up and maybe buy you lunch or a cold beverage , or maybe hit the range, since there is a nice indoor range just a couple of miles off 40 with a nice big parking lot.
This email is beginning to drag, and I really need to get back to work. Thanks again for all you are doing.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John : We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association Wyoming Gun Owners Association, and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 221 – Canadians, Sheepdogs, New Jersey, and Glen Tate

Apple users! Please let us know if this fixed the issue with time encoding. We have switched to an Apple product to do our final encoding to MP3  (This took quite a bit because Paul HATES Apple)

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, March 19th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talk with Frank Fiamingo about the war on self-defense in New Jersey.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also have an interview with Glen Tate who makes a major announcement, and two crazy Canadians talking about the latest canadian firearms regulations.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: and hang on. Episode 221 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul- is parked and waiting for a load.. earning a few dollars an hour.
Rachel- is working politics by night and teaching music by day. I have no time to sleep. I’m connecting political activists to their county political conventions.

Rob- I was looking at mid sized 9mm firearms. I rented the Glock 17, the Springfield XD and the CZ-75. Each is a double stack 9mm with a four in inch barrel.. yet they are very different. The obvious missing comparison is the Smith and Wesson M&P, but someone was renting that at the time.

Weight- Glock 17 is lightest of the three. The XD is slightly heavier, though the XD and Glock both have polymer lowers. The CZ has a fairly heavy steel frame and is the heaviest by far. The CZ loaded with 10 rounds was almost as heavy as my empty 1911. The perceived recoil was directly related to the weight of the gun and the CZ didn’t move much when you fired it. The CZ would be fine if you were buying a competition gun or a house gun. The Glock and XD would be much better if you were going to carry them every day for self-defense. It also means that a new shooter who is recoil sensitive should consider the heavier firearms.

The three handguns have a different shape to the stock and feel entirely different in your hand. That is the reason you want to go to a range that rents a wide selection of firearms. The back of the Glock is broad and straight. It fits in your hand as if you’re grabbing the back of a thick hardcover book. I could reach around the stock (or grip) with my thumb, but people with smaller hands would have to roll their thumb around the Glock to get the gun to fit into the web between their thumb and forefinger. When you do that, it feels like you’re grabbing the side of the gun rather than grabbing the back of the gun. In contrast, the top of the CZ grip is nicely narrow and fits well into the groove between your thumb and index finger. I thought the CZ had the best fit in that it was narrower at the top and arched to fit into your palm. The XD is between the two. The XD has a slightly arched grip which also slightly narrows at the web of your thumb. The XD was not as good as the CZ but better than the Glock.

Here are the safety features for each firearm. The CZ has a single/double action trigger and a manual safety thumb safety. The XD has a grip safety and a trigger safety like the Glock. The Glock has only a trigger safety, but it has a considerably harder trigger pull.

Those are the features of the gun that are hard to change. The feel of the trigger can be changed, but I’ll report on the stock firearm.
You could identify each gun by its trigger. XD was actually a little light at 4-4.5 pounds. The CZ in single action was intermediate, and that surprised me. The double action was only a little heavier than the Glock. The Glock was heavy at 7 to 8 pounds. Again, triggers can be adjusted by a trained gunsmith.
When it came to trigger reset, the glock was the best. I thought the XD was next and my shooting buddy thought the CZ was next. Again, the perceived firmness of the reset was proportional to the weight of the trigger pull. You simply can’t have a light target trigger with a distinct reset.

I put about 20 rounds through each gun. I started with dry fire of each firearm. Then I shot a half dozen slow fire, and then went to controlled pairs. I did not test the CZ for accuracy shooting it as a double action handgun, but I did dry fire it in double action.

I tested the time it took to get a second shot. The XD was fastest due to the combination of features; it had the lighter trigger and a fairly good reset. In contrast, the good reset of the Glock was offset by the harder trigger pull. The low recoil of the CZ was offset by its mushy reset. A trigger job could reverse these rankings, but there are limits. I was looking for a carry gun, not a target gun or competition gun. Let me be clear that each firearm is absolutely acceptable in its speed to deliver a second shot.

Controls- For each of these handguns, the slide release is much easier to use than the forward position on the 1911. That is because of better engineering and a lighter recoil spring for a 9mm handgun. With my large hands, I bumped into the slide release by accident on the XD. In contrast, I had to hunt for the magazine release button into the grip on the Glock because they blend it into the stock. You can master it with practice, and they make extended magazine release buttons for the Glock.

I’m going to include this next comment in with controls because it affects how you handle the gun. The slide of the CZ is not very deep. The slide sits on top of the frame rather than wraps around it. The CZ also has an external hammer. It was harder to do a press check on the CZ than either of Glock or the XD because I had trouble getting a good grip on the slide. I couldn’t do a press check on the CZ if the hammer was down. This could be an issue with new shooters when they are learning to manipulate the slide of their firearm. The slide would be easier to manipulate if you have smaller hands. It isn’t a big issue, but it is a difference between the firearms. You won’t notice this issue after you’ve lived with the your gun for a month.

The CZ has a double action/ single action trigger system. That means you could carry it loaded and uncocked after you manually lower the external hammer. Your first trigger pull would be harder and longer, but the second pull would be single action only. I’m used to carrying a gun loaded, cocked and locked, so I don’t see the strong advantage of the double action trigger on the CZ, particularly when the CZ has a manual thumb safety to prevent negligent discharge.

I have long arms, so all the sights were too wide for me. By too wide I mean that the front blade filled up the notch in the rear sight. That is fine for target work, but not for everyday carry. A gunsmith can change sights. A gunsmith can change the weight and feel of a trigger. So each gun could be fitted to your preferences. Oddly enough, in slow fire I was most accurate with the Glock, and I think that was because of the slight difference in the sights that were fitted to this particular firearm.

As it came out of the box, I thought the XD had the best blend of features for a new shooter.

Break

advertisement ABN
Seg 2- News

Opening rant: It is time that we put “Sheepdogs, Sheep and Wolves” to bed.
1) Shepherds protect the flock. Sheepdogs take orders from shepherds and are nearly worthless without the training and direction that they get from the shepherds.
2) I am not a sheepdog. I am not your (or anyone elses) protector. If I witness you getting robbed, you are going to get robbed. Unless you are in imminent danger of being killed or permanently disabled I am going to try to be a good witness and try to help the police apprehend the bad guy by being a good witness. If I think that you are about to lose your life if I don’t act, I will act IF I CAN. I don’t carry for you, I carry for me and my family. If I am carrying at the time the crime is going on it means that YOU TOO have the ability to carry if you chose to. I don’t have a super duper license that allows me to carry in every circumstance everywhere. I have a South Dakota CPP, if you are in SD or a State that has reciprocity with SD you too can protect yourself.
3) I am not a sheep. I am aware of my surroundings. I am responsible for my own defense.
4) I am not a wolf. I am a card carrying good guy.
5) Unless you have taken an oath as a police officer you could easily make things a lot worse by getting involved. Please don’t delude yourself on citizens arrest. Also, are you SURE you are about to intervene on behalf of the good guy?
6) In our community we are really big on saying “whatever happened to personal responsibility?” when someone blames McDonald’s hot coffee for their own stupidity and wins a big settlement. The same question comes about when a criminal gets off with a light sentence for a heinous crime because he was abused as a child. Where is that same question when a person becomes a victim in a free state where he or she had the legal right to defend themselves? Didn’t the victim have the personal responsibility to take care of themselves including security? Don’t get me wrong here. I DO NOT want to start blaming victims for crimes. What I am saying is that if more people were protecting themselves the criminal population would dwindle dramatically because #1 the criminals don’t commit more crimes once they are incarcerated or in a grave, and #2 Once homey sees that a few of his friends are in jail for a long time and a few more are ventilated he might start thinking that going back to school might make the rest of his time on the planet a bit safer.
7) I have been accused a bit of being a jerk, and worse, for my stance. That is fine with me. The fact is that my #1 goal is to survive for my family. A few episodes ago we had a story about 2 men who entered a house that they didn’t live in and confronted a burglar. I was asked recently what would cause me to enter a house like that. To be honest not much. If my wife or member of my immediate family were in immediate danger and I knew that the police weren’t going to be there in time, then yes, of course. The number of people I would do that for on the face of the earth number less than 20, and most of them are directly related to me.
Am I a Sheep? No. Am I a Sheep Dog? No. I am Damn sure not a Wolf or a Shepherd. I am an independent and free citizen of the United States of America. I don’t fit into the little categories that you try to make so please don’t put me there.

(Commentary – And please feel free to let me have it if you think that I am full of it)
Rob- The original sheep versus sheepdog story was a simple contrast. Now you’ve gone and made it highbrow. You went from two pieces; sheep and sheepdog. Three pieces, sheep, sheepdog and shepard. You have four pieces, complacent citizens, criminal predators, law enforcement and a trained armed citizen who is self-controlled. Your description IS more accurate. But I see two problems with it.

First, most journalists and politicians aren’t smart enough to keep the characters straight until you put costumes and makeup on them. Second, how can you scare the public with a “return to the wild west with blood flowing in the streets” story if there are four characters. Public policy needs simple victims and heros. Your version is simply too complicated to make thrilling news or sound bites.

Oh, Paul… that is a good thing.
Break

Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here. The Shooting portion of the class is full, however you can still get in on the 2 day citizens rules of engagement. once completing the classroom portion you can get in touch with Chaz and schedule a Mag 20 live fire and complete the mag 40.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob- Story #1 Ares Armor
Daniel Butcher is the Assistant U.S. Attorney that filed a response to temporary restraining order (TRO) obtained by Ares Armor against the ATF. He filed the response with a federal magistrate judge who allowed the raid to proceed. Butcher’s response conveniently “forgets” that the 80% lower receivers stocked and sold by Ares Armor are not generally considered firearms, according to the ATF’s own determination letters sent to numerous manufacturers over the years. Somehow, the all-important detail that the 80-percent polymer lower receivers have not been proven to be firearms didn’t seem to work it’s way into the DOJ’s “Factual Background” section of their response. I doubt the judge cares or will hold Attorney Butcher in contempt for misleading the court. If anything, Attorney Butcher sealed his nomination into a politically appointed DOJ position.

The owner of Ares Armor, Dimitrios Karras, has a sense of humor. The Ares website boasts that all of its products shipped this month have been personally inspected by the BATFE for product quality. Dimitrios is also a combat veteran. I also found out that the company pays employee bonuses in silver coins.

Paul- Oklahoma Sheriffs went to the state capitol to testify as they had in previous years.  This year, the 40 sheriffs met a surprising obstacle. They were turned away at the door because a state Senator complained they were armed.  Rather than disarm, the sheriffs went back to their counties and scheduled their testimony for another day.

(Rachel’s comments: (1) At least they were being consistent and applying the law equally to the sheriffs and to citizens, and (2) That’s *one* thing that Texas can hold over Oklahoma’s head at least for a little while longer: CHLers can carry in our Capitol building.)

Rob- http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th.  Connecticut deserves our support.

Rachel – Jacksonville College in East Texas wanted to increase campus safety, and allow employees to carry guns on campus. That’s when they hired chief of security Mike Morse, and began a security agency on campus. Morse is now teaching security officer certification, and concealed handgun classes. “We had a desire to provide courses to the community, and one of the needs we heard was handgun licenses.” Classes are available to the students, teachers, and entire community.

Paul- Armed baristas in Spokane, Washington

- Jitterz Java has had 3 break-ins in the past month
- Employees are now arming themselves with the approval and encouragement of the owner, Sara Chapel
- Employee Krystal Cogswell: “Before, I never felt an immediate threat, so I would just have it off to the side or somewhere hidden. But now I feel like if someone can see it, maybe it will just deter it right then and there and I won’t ever have to use it,” she explained.
- Customers have been overwhelmingly supportive. Only one complaint.
- Spokane Police said it is completely legal as long as the employees who are armed are 18 and older and do not have any prior convictions that restrict them from using firearms.

Rachel- It turns out that Delaware citizens don’t lose all their civil rights when they accept public housing.  This time their rights are protected by the Delaware constitution more so than the US constitution.  The Delaware Supreme Court read from the Delaware Constitution’s right to bear arms provision- “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use” and the court noted that this language may justify broader protection than that given by the Second Amendment.  It looks like some of the Delaware housing projects will comply, but some housing administrators are crafting new regulations.  Two steps forward, and one step back, but it is progress.

Rob: Gun Quotes (here are two of them, so take your pick of great women on Wednesdays)

How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.  - Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with lots of news about self-defense news in New Jersey. We start with an interview with Frank Fiamingo.  But first, here is a message a sponsor.

Seg 3 Interview with Frank Fiamingo

Rob- That was a fascinating interview with Frank.  The link to the James Kaleda defense fund is at indiegogo.com  He needs another 10 thousand dollars for his defense, and he needs it in the next ten day.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund  Please donate $10 if that is all you can afford.  Please put in something to let James know he is not alone in this battle for our rights.  (Any comments?)

The issue of firearms restrictions is not that complex.  People are not criminals because they have 15 cartridges in their magazine versus 10 rounds.  The Youtube video of 9 year old firearms competitor Shyanne Roberts testifying at the Assembly hearing went viral.  Shayanne gets it.

Here is a one minute clip from my friend Anthony Colandro testifying at the New Jersey Assembly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUE6N5q65eQ&feature=youtu.be   He states that “he will not comply” with the new firearms restrictions.  For the last 20 years we have been in an era when laws are too numerous to know or obey.  Now we are entering an era when more and more citizens deliberately refuse to comply.  (comments?)
Paul- We have to go to break.
Go to break
Segment-
Interview with Matthew McLatchey of Slam Fire Radio and Peter Dawson(Ten- X) about the Canadian RCMP gun ban.

Seg 4 Glenn Tate pt 1
Advertisement NJ2AS
Seg 5 Glenn Tate pt 2

Segment 6 DGUs
The chat room warriors contributed this, and thank you to them- “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson

Rob- A man was shot and killed early Monday morning as he was attempting to burglarize a home northwest of Corvallis, Montana.  The resident was awakened by noises around his home shortly before 4 a.m..  When he went to investigate, he found someone climbing through a window.  When the resident ordered the man to not move, the suspect turned toward him. The resident was armed with a handgun and shot the intruder, who then jumped back through the broken window and ran away from the home.  The intruder was later found dead near the home.  The dead man, Tobias Ian Bishop, age 39, had a long criminal history and was wanted on an outstanding warrant.  Bishop had burglarized several other properties in the area and had several stolen chainsaws stashed near his van.

Paul: Police say that one man is in critical condition after attempting to break into an Apache Junction Arizona Home. Three men gathered in the back of a home when they were noticed by the homeowner on surveillance video. Those gathered out back began to kick the back door. The homeowner grabbed a shotgun and one other person inside the house was armed with a handgun. Once the second person was illuminated with a laser sight, the homeowner and the second person in the home opened fire. The 3 attackers fled. one of them, 19 year old Sal Anthony Almos only made it to the neighbors yard where he collapsed from a shotgun wound to the groin and upper legs. Almos was taken into custody, and he later told investigators that the attackers were heavily armed and had zip ties and “were ready for whatever” I am thinking that a shotgun blast to the groin wasn’t included in whatever. Also the picture on the webpage that reports the story has a mug shot of an apparently easily standing Almos, something I seriously doubt he can do while in critical condition in a hospital, so it appears that this isn’t his first rodeo.

Rachel- Police are investigating the homicide of a 26-year-old man who was shot after police say he brandished a handgun and sexually assaulted a woman. The name of the man has not been released pending notification of family members. It happened around 9:25 p.m., Thursday, in the 3800 block of North Rampart Street [New Orelans LA]. Police said the 26-year-old man approached a man and woman as they were walking. They said he then produced a gun and demanded that they walk to a building that was being renovated. Once they entered the yard, investigators say, the man sexually assaulted the woman at which time the adult male disarmed the man and fatally shot him… (Once a gain, we see how much more common it is for a criminal to get shot with his own gun, by a victim, than vice versa.) http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/man-fatally-shot-in-new-orleans/24970126

Rachel – student speaks out against being disarmed
- University of Cincinnati campus
- engineering student came across 4 students being attacked on campus, jumped in to help them
- ended up beaten, hospitalized
- “One of the victims said that the area was usually safe, so the Saturday night assault was very surprising.”
- Good Samaritan said: “I’m personally a concealed carry permit holder. I’m not allowed to carry on campus so I’m not going to do that, but at the same time if the university is not going to provide significant resources to provide us the safety we need then at least let me take care of myself with it.
- The university’s response: send out safety ambassadors to create a “welcoming and engaging environment.”
- My response: any school that fails to exercise its right to authorize carry on -campus is responsible for any harm that comes to disarmed students, staff, or civilians.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Tips and tricks segment : Kathy Jackson’s reply to our feedback on episode 220

Advertisement
Segment 7 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion
Rob: I received this from one of my readers and I like what he said. He calls it “the Equal Protection Amendment”
1. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may keep or bear any arms except those that may be borne by all law abiding competent adult citizens both in his place of residence and in the location of his office.
2. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may be protected by any personal arms he is barred from keeping under the previous article.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!  Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and give our friend Chaz over at the roadgunner podcast a listen, he just put out a great episode with Daniel shaw of Gunfightercast fame.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.