Episode 326 – Jason Christiansen, Billy Johnson, and Crayle Vanest

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday April 19th, 2105, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with film maker Billy Johnson about his documentary called Protecting Liberty.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Crayle Vanest of students for concealed carry.. and talk about another failure of a gun free zone on a college campus in my home state of North Carolina.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a daughter takes her father’s advice and it likely saved her life.. so climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 326 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Rob- They advertise the NRA annual meeting as 9 acres of guns and gear.  That misses the point.  There are acres of experts waiting to meet to you.  I talked with Col. David Grossman, John Lott, Michael Bane, Anette Wachter, Rick Ector, Jim Clark, Joyce and Bill Wilson, Katie Pavlich, Cam Edwards, Tom Gresham, Mark Walters and his family, Julianne Versnal and Alan Gottlieb, David Jensen, Tatiana Whitlock, Laura Carno, Tim Schmidt, Billy and Rachel Johnson, Jim Curtis, Mike Vanderboegh, Dean Weingarten, David Cole and the bloggers.  I listened to Rob Pincus, but didn’t get to talk with him.

 

I added a customized sight to my Mosin-Nagant.  Then I sold a gun, bought a gun, and ordered a gun belt.

 

John-I’m not sure if I talked with as many people as Rob but I did talk with a lot. The NRA Annual Meeting was great for catching up with old friends as well as making new ones such as Richard Johnson of Guns Holsters and Gear.  Unfortunately there are too many old friends to mention or we’d never finish the show. I was invited to the rollout of the new Glock 43 and got to shoot it. It is a solid little gun that should sell well but should not be considered a beginner’s gun. I also attended the Annual Firearms Law Seminar which was time well spent. It gave me the idea to start a series of blog posts called Bad Apple Lawyers which is a play on the Brady Center’s Bad Apple Gun Dealer lawsuits. I think it is past time to call out the attorneys at “Big Law” who are donating their time pro bono to curtail our 2nd Amendment rights.

 

My only regret is that I didn’t get enough time on the show floor to see more of the gun collector displays. Those historical firearms tell a story and I didn’t get to hear all of it.

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

 

Bob Mayne/Ben Branam May 16th-17th www.Handgunworld.com to register

 

Kathy Jackson – August 15th-16th Susan@politicsandguns.com

 

Chaz Murray asked me to let everyone know that he is having a class in Utah July 24th and 25th Rumor has it that one or more of the Gun Dudes might attend, or they might not.

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Seg 2- News

 

-Maine Governor Paul LePage signed a law legalizing automatic opening knives. Freshman Representative Joel Stetkis helped pass the bill.  The new law takes effect 90 days after the legislature adjourns, so we can’t really give you a date at this point.  Automatic knives are now legal for civilians without restriction in 27 states, and legal with various restrictions in 10 more.

 

College’s Gun-Free Zone Failure

All the laws, policies, surveillance cameras, campus security, no-guns signs and gun-free zones failed to save a college employee’s life.

 

Ron Lane, a long-time employee at Wayne Community College in Goldsboro, North Carolina was shot and killed Monday morning. Armed with a rifle, a former student stalked the victim across the gun-free zone and finally cornered him in a campus bathroom. There, a single shot ended the employee’s life. The alleged killer escaped and was eventually captured on a beach in Florida.

 

School was in session at the time of the murder. A student reported that her teacher moved them to a corner of the classroom, turned off the lights, and barricaded the door with a table. Innocents cowering in the dark without any real protection is a chilling metaphor for what comes from the sheep-like reliance on gun-free zones.
We call on our bureaucratic managers to recognize that evil will not stop at the edge of a fantasy. Gun-free zones only ensure that the law-abiding will be helpless to resist the lawless. It’s a tragedy that people will die – have died –  because of that fiction.

 

John – This was a targeted attack. The killer, whose face and head are covered with Nazi and white supremacy tattoos, was not going to be deterred by mere signs.

Oregon Legislatures Pushing Gun Sale Background Check has Citizens Pushing Recall

Bloomberg’s billions are making gun-control inroads in the Oregon state legislature. A long delayed universal background check bill patterned after the Bloomberg inspired Colorado fiasco has passed the Oregon Senate. Just like in Colorado, this initiative has riled the populace. Just like in Colorado, certain legislatures are feeling the hot breath of recalls.

Three petitions for recall have been filed against the anti-gun bill’s cosponsors and the Democrat leader of the Oregon House, who expects to move the bill quickly though her chamber. The petitions are not restricted to gun rights complaints, but encompass other issues such as education funding. Other recall petitions are surely possible. Sufficient signatures must be collected before a special election is called.

Like Colorado, the recall efforts come from grass-root sources. The two small organizations are aware of each other, but only connected informally. There is the possibility of funding from gun-rights organizations.

Although these efforts are in their infancy, they are following the same unlikely peoples protest that occurred in Colorado. We wish them the incredible success of Colorado.

 

Also in Oregon (and thanks to listener Anthony L. for emailing us the story)

At least one sheriff doesn’t plan on enforcing the background checks if the proposed measure that passed the senate does indeed become law. Sheriff Dave Daniel, from Josephine County has stated that “I can’t enforce that law, so therefore it won’t be enforced,” He continued, “I have felonies going on daily in Josephine County. That’s my priorities.”

 

If it becomes law SB941 would require background checks for all firearms sales, including private sales. It would make a sale without a background check a class b misdemeanor.

 

Our Old Friend Dudley Brown is at It Again.

 

Speaking of Colorado, it appears our old friend Dudley Brown is at work again. Brown, who heads both NAGR and Rocky Mtn Gun Owners, wants the Colorado magazine size limit repealed, all or nothing. There was a move that many Democrats could support that would raise the size of the mag limit to 30 rounds. In other words, virtually all standard capacity handgun magazines and 99% of AR mags would become legal again. However, anything other than a complete repeal wasn’t good enough for Dudley and any compromise which would have helped Colorado gun owners went down the tubes. To make matters worse, Dudley has promised primary challenges to 5 Republicans who voted to abide by House rules after a House committee rejected the Senate bill that would have lifted the ban. The Colorado Springs Gazette notes in an editorial regarding Brown and RMGO that they are, “notorious for launching primary challenges against pro-gun conservatives, replacing them with ineffective activists who reject incremental victories and the art of compromise.”

 

John – Incrementalism or taking what you can get this time is how the gun banners have achieved so much over time. We in the gun rights movement are stupid if we don’t learn that lesson. In military terms, full frontal attacks rarely succeed unlike flanking attacks.

 

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NICS Mentally Defective List Is 99.3% Vets

 

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, is asking Attorney General Eric Holder to explain the content of the NICS mentally defective list. Specifically, he wants to know why the list consists primarily of veterans and their families. The Congressional Research Service estimates that 99.3% of all names submitted to the NICS System’s mentally defective category come from the Veterans Administration even though all Fed agencies can submit names. Grassley wants to know the review process used to ensure that these names were properly put on the list as they have been singled out for deprivation of the Second Amendment rights. Grassley goes on to say “VA reports individuals to the gun ban list if an individual merely needs financial assistance managing VA benefits. Although the VA process is not designed to regulate firearm ownership, it results in veterans and their loved ones being barred from exercising their fundamental, Constitutionally-guaranteed Second Amendment rights.”

 

Police Officer Denied Medical Treatment

 

In what can only be considered a case of extreme hoplophobia,  Plymouth, Ohio police officer Wayne Liggett was denied treatment at the Walk In Urgent Care Center in Mansfield because, get this, he was carrying his firearm. The Center is posted against concealed carry but Ohio law exempts police officers from these prohibitions. Officer Liggett had sought treatment for his eye because he was seeing floaters and flashes. Instead of treating Officer Liggett, the urgent care center called the Mansfield Police Department who told him to come out of the treatment room with his hands up and then handcuffed him. After confirming Officer Liggett was indeed a police officer they returned his weapon. However, he was still denied treatment and escorted from the building. His eye condition was later diagnosed a retinal tear for which he has had two surgeries. This whole incident has Plymouth PD Chief Charles Doan very concerned saying, “”Officers carry to be prepared, and citizens do too. If you have a concealed carry and get hurt, are they going to say, ‘Get him out of here?’ ”

Magpul does it right!

 

At SHOT Show this year Magpul industries announced that they were starting to ship magazines for the glock 17 9mm. The mags received good reviews and left many gun owners wondering when they would be available for the .40 and .45.

 

This week Magpul released a statement titled “OK we screwed up.”

 

There seem to be issues with the new mags feeding into Glock 19’s and 26’s. Magpul not only immediately let the problem be known, they found a fix and started production on the fix immediately. They are going to replace the magazine body of every one sold so far. They expect new magazine bodies to be shipped May 5th. That is customer service and integrity. Remington are you paying attention?

 

Wal-Mart wins against an anti rights church

 

On Tuesday a federal appeals court issued a ruling that Wal-Mart can continue selling firearms and ammunition. This after a small church in New York filed suit trying to force the retailer to stop selling firearms that can accept a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. The church had bought a few thousand shares of Wal-Mart stock went to court to try to force more oversight and make it harder for Wal-Mart to sell the guns. It should be noted that although buying a few thousand shares sounds impressive, the church actually owned less than one one hundredth of 1 percent of the company.

 

Gun Quotes

If you think a federal universal background check is going to keep criminals from buying guns from each other, then I’d like to know why it hasn’t prevented them from buying drugs from each other? Sean Davis writing at The Federalist

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Billy Johnson and his documentary project called Protecting Liberty.

Crayle Vanest of students for concealed carry foundation.

Jason Christiansen of Concealment Solutions.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- I donated to both Billy Johnson’s kickstarter campaign.. and to students for concealed carry foundation.  Come to think of it, I’ve donated to Jason Christiansen too.

 

Daughter Actually Listens to Father – Possibly Saving Her Life

“Honestly, I mostly carry it because my dad wanted me to. Now I’m glad I listened.”

The unlikely decision to listen may have saved a young Indianapolis, Indiana woman from injury or worse. Crystal was on her way home from a grocery store late Friday night when she was surprised by three men. ‘Shut up, be quiet, don’t say anything’ and the one here had a weapon,” said the victim. When one man made a grab for her, she started shooting, hitting one and forcing them all to flee. Police later arrested an 18 year-old with a gunshot wound to the shoulder. They’re still looking for the other two. Police found items in the suspects’ SUV from an apartment take-over robbery earlier that night. In that crime, the suspects pistol-whipped a defenseless woman.

 

Crystal has some advice for women: “Learn how to protect yourself if you don’t know how. Be more aware. I wasn’t paying attention to my surroundings at all.”

I wonder if her father would share some secrets on getting a woman to listen?

Man Defends His Three Children From a Crazy in WalMart

A man used his licensed CCW to defend himself and his three children from an unprovoked attack in a Yakima, Washington WalMart.

Security video shows a 30 year-old transient suspect picking up an aluminum bat and striking the victim on the shoulder. No words had been exchanged between the two, they did not know each other; the attack was completely at random. Compounding the danger, the victim’s three children were within easy striking distance.

Faced with a potentially deadly situation, the victim drew his .357 SIG pistol. Store security heard a man in the sporting goods department shouting “Get on the ground!” and found one man pointing a pistol at another — who was indeed on the ground. Police arrived minutes later to arrest the proned-out assailant, who remains in jail on a $30,000 bond.

We certainly applaud the CCW holder for his foresight and his measured, textbook response to this desperate situation.

Phoenix Man Shoots Assailant Pistol Whipping Him

In a textbook Failure in the Victim Selection Process, as defined by Massad Ayoob, a 22 year-old thug was shot by the man he was pistol-whipping.

 

Early Sunday morning, three men were walking across a Phoenix bridge when a stranger approached, pulled a handgun, and pistol-whipped one of them. The victim pulled his own handgun and fired several shots, striking the assailant at least once. The alleged criminal expired at the scene.

The investigation is still on-going, but it seems to be a case of justifiable self-defense.

Home Invasion Crime Spree Ended By Homeowner With a Gun

A string of violent home invasions was ended by a homeowner with a gun.

Two men went on a home-invasion crime spree in Madison, Wisconsin Friday morning. Their string of crimes included armed breaking and entering into three homes and an assault on a 90 year old woman. It ended with a struggle and a shot fired.

 

Police were too late to help the first two residents. However, an armed citizen made all the difference in the third. At 10 in the morning, 911 received a panicked phone call from a woman locked in her bathroom. She had heard the sounds of a break-in and her husband had gone to investigate. Invader and homeowner struggled and a shot was fired. The criminal dropped his weapon and was detained at gunpoint by the husband. The robber’s accomplice fled, but was nabbed before the getaway car got too far.

We applaud the bravery of the homeowner. His actions successfully protected his wife and stopped a string of armed home-invasions – which could have very well lead to additional injuries or even deaths.

 

However, we need to point out that most self-defense instructors would recommend – if possible – holing up armed in a safe area and forcing the criminals to come to them. All the homeowner’s possessions aren’t worth their lives. The cops will get there — eventually.

Home Invasion, Robbery, Kidnapping and Rape Ended by Neighbor’s Shot

If you don’t have a gun – it’s best to know somebody with a gun.

 

Early this past Sunday morning, three violent criminals splintered the front door of a sleeping Gadsden, Alabama woman. Looting the house wasn’t enough for one thug, he put a gun to the woman’s head and viciously raped her. Even that wasn’t enough, he continued to beat her while demanding all of her money. The desperate woman concocted a story that a neighbor down the street had the money.

 

The invader dragged the woman to the neighbor’s door at gunpoint. She pounded and pleaded for the unknowing man to give her the money, telling him that she was being threatened. The neighbor saw the gun and punched in 911. However, the thug didn’t give the cops the time to arrive. He yelled for the neighbor to hang up, punctuating his demands with two shots, and then aimed his gun at the 59 year-old man. That man was armed.

The neighbor’s single shot hit the rapist in the chest. The thug ran a short way, then collapsed in a heap and died.

The woman was taken to the hospital, the neighbor to police headquarters, the thug to the morgue. It was found that the dead criminal had packed a lot of violence into his 17 years. Police have not released the dead man’s name or a description of his two accomplices. The Etowah County DA’s office said they are reviewing the case to determine if any charges will be filed against the good samaritan. At this time the investigation is ongoing.

 

Stay aware, stay capable, stay safe out there — it’s a dangerous world.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email # 1

 

Hi All,

I don’t think listener Ken in Phoenix can equate the “gun show loop hole” with “selling guns to felons”.  Closing the “loop hole” does not ensure felons will not be able to buy firearms.  Closing the “loop hole” does ensure additional fees, time, and steps to registration for the law abiding.  The only dangerous sales that are “closed” at that point are the very rare number of private sales by law abiding sellers to someone without personally knowing the buyer or checking their CHL.  Those could be eliminated by encouraging, (not requiring) those the law would realistically effect to ensure the buyer is a not a felon.  What if we opened up the NICS check to private individuals to have the option (not requirement) to check on the background of a potential buyer, WITHOUT having to fill out a 4473?

BG check to registration is a far leap, I will give Ken that, but they are not 2 separate things . Currently there is a buyers name DOB and birth city, tied with an approval number; written on a 4473; that also contains make model and SN of a firearm and an address where that firearm could be found.  It’s a big leap but it is feasible to use that as a defacto registration.

One final point.  No tin hats here. I don’t believe Feinstein is gonna come a knockin’ across the country , “Mr. and Mrs. America turn them all in”. VERY unlikely.  What is likely and is happening with more regularity is when someone says “That Paul guy and his wife Susan are hot heads, the only proof of that is my opinion. They can be disarmed of every firearm they have bought on a 4473 if tell the state my opinion”.

Dan from Philly

 

Email #2

 

I just thought I’d write in about the discussion you had on background checks and the “gun show loophole” prompted by the listener e-mail.

 

I understand the confusion about the loophole the listener expressed, and you are correct – It is already illegal to knowingly sell a gun to a felon.  The issue is that it’s difficult if not impossible to know who is and is not a felon when you’re exchanging e-mails on a local listings site or chatting with someone at the range.  Dealing only with those with CCW permits greatly reduces your potential buyer pool, so most transactions don’t take place with that kind of restriction, in my experience.

 

I share your fear of a de-facto gun registry, but what if instead we just had a registry of who is NOT allowed to own guns?.  Everyone else, gun owners, anti-gunners, and every schmo on the street who hasn’t even thought of buying a gun would have the same mark on their license or other ID, and only those who were specifically prohibited from owning guns would have an identifying mark.  After all, felony convictions are public record, and there’s no right to privacy on those that I’m aware of.  This proposal would basically just take what is public record and make it more easily accessible to people on the street.  In return for this concession, I would expect universal CCW reciprocity and a loosening of the restrictions on NFA items like suppressors and short barreled firearms.

 

You could of course still have people cheating the system with fake ID’s, but even now people can cheat the system the same way by stealing an ID of someone else and lying on the 4473 form, or even faking a CCW permit to get out of the background check entirely (in some states).

 

Thanks, and keep on truckin’

-Jake from Iowa

 

Rob- I want to comment on a discussion you had last week.  Ken wrote in and said-

“A private sale, be it at a gun show or in my back yard, without a background check, is a loophole in selling firearms, since background checks are required by licensed retailers but not by private individuals. When I say I am for closing the “gun show loophole”, I want to make sure guns aren’t being sold to felons.”

 

Ken, I have to criticize you, not for your intentions, but for your methods.  What you propose doesn’t work.  We know it doesn’t work.  You said “I want to pass a law that criminals will obey.. and if it doesn’t work, I’ll pass another law.”  No amount of firearms prohibition has been effective in disarming criminals.  You have disarmed honest men and women.  You’ve also enabled anti-rights politicians who claim their unending stream of prohibitions might “save one life” somewhere someday.  Ken, I know you are thoughtful, so I’d like you to find a firearms regulation that has shown to be both effective and the least intrusive means to achieve the claimed result.

Paul, I want to argue with you.  You complain about a background check where a federal registry is possible.. and you’re ok using a concealed carry permit where a federal registry is a certainty.

 

Paul- Send us a note if you’ve promoted the right of self-defense.  We’ll give you a shout out on the podcast.

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I met amazing women at the NRA show.. and the media largely ignores them.  We have brilliant and beautiful advocates for the right of self-defense.  That article is posted on Ammoland Clash Daily, and on my blog at Slowfacts.wordpress.com.

 

John what is new on your blog, No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money?

 

John – I’d like to point out a case before the California Supreme Court. I learned of it from Brandon Combs of the Firearms Policy Coalition. California AG Kamala Harris is trying to say that an opened Swiss Army knife is the legal equivalent of a dirk or dagger. Knife Rights and the Second Amendment Foundation have filed a shared amicus brief in the case. Even if we don’t like the defendant, knives are tools and that principle needs to be defended.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.  http://notonemoregunlaw.blogspot.com/

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Billy Johnson and Crayle Vanest for coming on the show today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 325 – Bob Mayne

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday April 12th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and on tonights show we will talk with Bob Mayne.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and we’ll talk about some 2nd Amendment legislation from Mississippi, Arkansas AND Maine!

Sue: so climb aboard

Gary: strap in

Paul: and hang on!  Because episode 325  of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

 

Ask for ideas for new logo? Send to susan@politicsandguns.com or send us a message on Facebook. 6 weeks ? (June 1st end) …. We’ll post the entries on Facebook and ask for votes to pick one. …… looking for some swag to send someone.

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Seg 2- News

 

State Gun Rights Advancements

 

There have been many states gun rights advancements this week:
First, Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant signs pro-Second Amendment reform legislation. The new NRA-backed laws will reduce concealed carry permit fees, allow permitless concealed carry in purses and briefcases, and streamline enhanced carry training requirements for active military and veterans. Other key provisions of the measures include protection from federal over-regulation of commonly-owned rifle ammunition, lowering the age requirement for a carry permit from 21 to 18 for National Guard or Reserve unit personnel, and clarifying limits on where cities and counties can regulate enhanced carry permit holders.

 

Congratulations Mudcats!

 

Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson has signed  ”Shall Certify” legislation which compels Chief Law Enforcement Officers (CLEO’s) to certify ATF National Firearms Act paperwork for any applicant who is not a prohibited possessor by state or federal law. Arkansas becomes the eighth state to enact “Shall Certify”.

 

We congratulate the NFA Freedom Alliance for their excellent work, as well as the citizens of Arkansas.

 

Sowee, Razorbacks!

 

Continuing this Gun Freedom Spring, Maine lawmakers are considering abolishing a concealed carry permit requirement in the state. Maine allows Open Carry without a permit, but requires someone to have a permit if their jacket covers their gun. The bill is a way of telling Maine residents that lawmakers are not going to treat you like a criminal if you put a jacket on.

Sound great! Get on it Maineiacs!

 

Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam has signed legislation that allows workers to sue their employers if they are fired for storing guns in cars parked on company lots. This law specifies that the companies’ 4th Amendment property rights cannot trump the 2nd Amendment rights of the employees.

 

Congratulations to all Tennesseans.

Torrance Police Department’s Theft of a Gun Collection

A Federal lawsuit shoots down Torrance PD gun restoration policy.

 

The Torrance, California Police Department is liable for the failure to return a man’s firearm collection and its eventual destruction. For nearly three years, TPD kept 17 firearms worth $15,800, ignored two court orders to return them, and finally destroyed the collection. In that collection were several irreplaceable family heirlooms. This high-handed arrogance will cost Torrance $30,000.

 

It should have cost them much more.

 

Torrance resident Michael Roberts had surrendered his firearms early in 2010 when a temporary restraining order was filed against him. When the TRO was lifted, Roberts asked for his firearms. Citing Cal DOJ’s Law Enforcement Gun Release letter, Torrance PD refused. The DOJ’s letter wrongly implies that police should not return guns unless the person can document their ownership and the gun is in the DOJ’s database. The law simply does not allow the DOJ to impose those bureaucratic hurdles.

 

“It’s been an ongoing problem for years, said attorney Chuck Michel, who filed the federal lawsuit. Cities such as San Francisco and Oakland have also been sued based on the same erroneous interpretation, and those cities settled their cases and revised their procedures.” Roberts’ dilemma in dealing with a law enforcement agency that doesn’t follow the law is fairly common, said a CRPA spokesman.

 

The lawsuit alleged a malicious motive on the part of the department, which willfully disobeyed judicial orders in order to punish Roberts for not yielding to Torrance PD’s unlawful registration policy. A settlement was reach for more than the value of the firearms and requires a change to TPD’s policies. Unfortunately, it’s the citizens of Torrance that will pay the bill. Although It is hard to see this as anything but theft under the color of authority, police and city officials will not personally answer for their disregard of the law.

 

The citizens of Torrance might just want to take a hard look at their government: it seems it’s no longer a servant, but a terrible master.

 

[Rob may have had some experience with Torrance. Charlie Foxtrot certainly has, and pretty much considers them all <Expletives Deleted>.]

 

‘Boma’s Heart is Broken – Here’s Hoping Mooseshell Breaks His @$$
With his habitual obsessive use of I, me and my, Obama announced through ABC News that he hasn’t given up on gun control.

Speaking to ABC News’ chief Health and Medical editor, Obama once again blamed Sandy Hook on firearms, ignoring the mental illness that many see as the real cause. He blamed Congress, the gun lobby, the NRA and its “intense” members (Guilty!) for the resisting his laws. Obama promised to take steps toward tougher gun policies by administratively tightening up background checks, then oddly free-associated gun control with illegal drug runners. He expressed an intense desire to “chip away” on the NRA’s hold on Congress. He even brought up the tired ol’ cliche that “most gun owners recognized the need for “common sense gun safety laws.” “

 

It may be telling that Obama choose to be interviewed by the fawning Dr. Richard Besser on a location festooned with medical devices and…  errrr… unmoving (dead?) patient readouts. Obama might be returning to the old theme that firearms must be controlled as a medical health risk. He seems to be running out of ideas as well as time.

Obama has less than two years to affect gun control and the other hard-left Progressive causes he longs for. These next two years may well be the most dangerous ever for the Republic and the Constitution. Obama’s desperation for a legacy may prompt further unconstitutional executive orders. We must be eternally vigilant. And Intense.

‘Boma Wins Gun Salesman of the Year – Again
Typifying this misadministration’s talent for unanticipated consequences, Obama’s push for gun control backfired as the firearm industry’s demand soared.

In 2013 – the latest data available – more than 10.8 million firearms were manufactured, double the total three years before. Obama’s attempt to capitalize on the Sandy Hook tragedy encouraged a significant amount of buyer purchases, as did the gun control efforts in states like California, Colorado and New York. An unprecedented amount of  first time buyers responded to the now or never realities by entering the gun culture with a purchase.

 

“The surge in firearms sales in 2013 reflects both a long-term upward trend in shooting sports participation and [a] particular concern that year that law-abiding gun owners and those interested in purchasing a firearm for the first time could face tougher restrictions affecting access to and selection of firearms,” said Mike Bazinet, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation.

 

Dr. John R. Lott Jr., president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, said polling shows a fundamental shift in attitudes. Americans increasingly believing that the right to bear arms must be protected and increasingly see guns as a way to make homes safer.

 

Another measure of the change in firearms popularity is the steadily increasing number of concealed carry permits, which are said to have tripled over the last few years. Nationally, concealed carry permits have grown from 4.6 million in 2007 to more than 12 million now, according to Dr. Lott.

 

Americans Refusing to Feel Guilty Over Self Defense  
In an on-air editorial, Fox News’ Greg Gutfeld opined that the establishment media’s gun control arguments are increasingly falling on deaf ears because Americans refuse to feel guilty over using guns for self-defense. Many have simply realize that there are seconds–and frequently, agonizing minutes–between the time they dial 911 and the time police arrive.

Breitbart News recently reported that concealed carry is surging in the black community, and no less a prominent figure than Detroit Police Chief James Craig explained that this is a historic shift. Craig explained that Detroit residents have simply come to realize that good guys with guns really can protect their own lives and the lives of their neighbors.

NRA Throws Down Against Hillary
“I vow on this day the NRA will stand shoulder to shoulder with you and good, honest decent Americans and we will stand and fight with everything we’ve got. And in 2016, by God, we will elect the next great president of the United States of America and it will not be Hillary Rodham Clinton,” said at last week’s NRA Annual Meeting by Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre.

 

“She will not bring a dawn of new promise and opportunity. It would be a permanent darkness of deceit and despair forced upon the American people.” LaPierre said Clinton has long been a threat to Second Amendment rights. “She’s been coming after us for decades,” he said.

 

LaPierre did not mention any Republican presidential candidates, rather he focused on Hillary’s unsuitableness for the office. “One day America will elect a woman… not because of her gender but because of her character and integrity and moral fitness to hold the highest office in land,” LaPierre said. “That is how a candidate should be judged.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Northeast Harris County Texas Suppressive Fire

The Internet often asks just how many rounds should be carried in a self-defense firearm. The answer is: just one more than you’ll need.

A Northeast Harris County, Texas man needed a lot of rounds to defend three children and a woman from two trigger-happy home invaders. He was asleep on the couch when the criminals kicked open the door and came in firing. The man grabbed a handgun and returned their fire. Not too effectively, as the uninjured suspects ran to a waiting car and took off. The resident, who’s apparently a little grumpy when woken, continued to fire at the departing car. He expended about 10 rounds defending the lives of the occupants.

While our hero’s marksmanship wasn’t the best, his swarm of bullets did accomplish the goal. However, it should be noted that each bullet has a cop and a lawyer attached to it – the shooter is morally and legally responsible for every round fired. So – if possible – a little restraint on the trigger finger is warranted. And, if the threat has ended, and the criminals are running away screaming like little girls, don’t chase them into the street and continue to fire – get some coffee, dude.

Texas Woman Shoots (Now) Ex-Boyfriend

Don’t mess with Texas. Especially with the Texas dames.

 

A couple brought their violent argument to a Houston area gas station. The man jumped in and out of the car several times, hit the driver in her face, and forced the woman from behind the wheel. The man then attempted to crash the vehicle. Fearing for her safety, the woman shot the crazy, now ex-boyfriend, wounding him in the leg.

The suspect was taken to the hospital, and the woman was questioned by the cops.  Currently the police believe the shooting was justifiable self-defense. The district attorney has the final say, but the woman is not expected to be charged.

Third World Problems – Here

Reminiscent of lawlessness in Africa, South America and the Middle East, someone may be attempting to stop cars in the Louisville, Kentucky area. Late one night, a driver encountered a blockade of several cones across the roadway. When the driver got out to remove them, he was approached by three or four people. Happily, the driver had the foresight to go armed, and the potential assailants ran when the driver pulled his gun. Police were unable to find the highway bandits. Chicago police have reported several similar incidents.

 

Law enforcement warn individuals that if they approach a completely barricaded roadway to follow these simple steps:

 

  1. Lock your vehicle doors and Call 911 immediately (911 will know if there is an issue with the road being closed)
  2. Turn around and use an alternate route if possible, or wait in a secure area for law enforcement to arrive or advise that it is clear.

    We would add a 3rd: Stay aware and stay safe – and carry your legal concealed carry firearm.

    It’s a dangerous world out there.

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email #1

 

Paul,
I listened to episode 323 and during the 2nd news segment, the subject was the Oregon background check S.B. 941 and an amendment to the bill which would have eliminated the need for state background check. The amendment was submitted by Senator Kim Thatcher would have prohibited persons identified as such on their Oregon drivers license or state issued ID card. Senator Thatcher’s amendment was later dismissed without discussion and S.B. 941 passed out of committee and will receive full senate vote next week. My concern that you dismissed the thought outright “it’s a solution looking for a problem” and “I would support neither of them”. I understand No Compromise and sometimes its just plain stupid. All it takes is a supermajority and bam you lose more rights like what is happening in Oregon now. S.B. 941 will be voted on next week then on to the Governor for signing. Who loses? The law abiding citizens of Oregon. I bet in a couple months that they would be grateful to have the prohibited persons inconvenienced in having to have their license marked. The No Compromise zealots in Washington state refused to vote for a competing bill I-591 to offset the odorous background check bill I-594 and called Allan Gotlieb a turncoat. That’s right the No Compromise folks called the man that runs the organization that has done more of the 2nd Amendment in the courts labeled a turncoat.
Later in the show you were asked how you would make a private sale of a firearm? You answered by asking and making a copy of their concealed carry permit and drivers license. Well I guess your not going to sell any firearms to non-CCL persons. Would a drivers license that has information if the person is or is not a prohibited person do the same. I think it would solve a problem for me because if I sell a firearm I’m going down to the local pawn shop and paying the $20.00 transfer fee just for my own piece of mind. Paul I understand that the 2nd Amendment is your permit to carry, purchase what have you it’s the other 319 million people you need to convince and they all have their faces stuck to a phone with drool oozing out their mouths.
I always enjoy your show and wish it was a full show twice a week. I also like hearing Rob on both your show and Ken Blanchard’s “Black Man With a Gun” show. Thanks

Jim R
Richmond Hill GA

 

Email #2 – from Phoenix

 

Paul,

We will have to agree to disagree on this. Perhaps it is just semantics, but I think your premise is wrong. A private sale, be it at a gun show or in my back yard, without a background check, is a loophole in selling firearms, since background checks are required by licensed retailers but not by private individuals.

When I say I am for closing the “gun show loophole”, I want to make sure guns aren’t being sold to felons. It’s a huge leap from “background check” to “registration of every firearm”. These as 2 separate things. You can run a background check and never list the firearm in a “gun registry database”.

If we all agree that it’s the bad person and not the bad gun that commits the crime, I don’t see how checking out the criminal record of an individual before selling him the gun is a problem. On the other hand, registration of any gun is a bad thing.

Just my opinions.

Ken S
Phoenix, AZ

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

 

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, April 5th, 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and on tonights show we will talk with Paul Carlson from Safety Solutions Academy.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Chris Christie’s pardon of Shaneen Allen.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about a former boyfriend that used a brick and the current boyfriend that used a gun.. so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Because episode 323 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Gary-  Surefire shot timer.

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Rob-

We have waiting periods in California, so I got my Glock19.  I also ordered new holsters for it, from Jason at Concealment Solutions. I’m looking for suggestions about replacement sights.  Anyone?

 

I went to sell a gun and order another gun, but I was reminded I can’t buy another handgun for the next 20 days.  Welcome to california with its one gun a month rule.  I was able to put a deposit down on a small 22 handgun for students with small hands, so the range will hold it for me.  I can finish the order and application when I’m back from the NRA convention.   Mailed in my Arizona and Utah non-resident CCW applications.  Read news for Kenn Blanchard.  I wrote an article about campus carry and interviewed Amber Kuneau about campus carry.  I contacted Doug Ritter and Kathy Jackson for interviews.  I promoted Dr. John Lott’s fundraiser on my blog.

 

I also had something strange happen on my blog.  Somebody in a forum reposted one of my old articles.  That sent about 600 people over to my site to look at it.. and I have no idea where they came from.  Not a clue.

 

John – I’ve been doing a lot of work and home related stuff so that I won’t have to worry about it this coming week with the NRA Annual Meeting. We’ve had my older stepdaughter and her husband here visiting over the Easter Weekend. It’s great to have family here over the holiday.

 

There is always too much to see and do at the Annual Meeting. I will get to test out the new Glock 43 on Thursday but can’t go to the Dr. John Lott event due to a conflicting event.

 

Paul – Working hard on the audio book. made progress in turning the podcast into a real business.  Recorded interviews already  for the show and am getting ready to head out tomorrow for another week of work. I really wish I could attend the NRAAM, but unfortunately it isn’t in the cards for me this year.

 

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

 

Bob Mayne and Ben Branam Handgunworld.com

Kathy Jackson  Susan@politicsandguns.com

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Christie Pardons Shaneen Allen

Exhibiting none of the decisive aggressiveness he’s shown around the buffet tables, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has finally done the right thing and pardoned Shaneen Allen.

 

Shaneen Allen and SonsBurlington County Times

Eighteen months ago, Allen was arrested for mistakenly taking her concealed carry pistol into New Jersey. Allen was pulled over for a minor traffic offense, and, as an honest citizen, she immediately informed the officer that she was carrying a weapon. The cops’ reactions were likewise immediate, they slapped on the cuffs and charged her with multiple felonies.

 

The single mother of two spent the next 46 days in jail when Prosecutor James McClain decided to make an example of her. Even though Allen had a clean record, he denied her a diversion program and threatened to crush her with the full power of the state. She faced a miserable future of more than 11 years in prison. All for an offense without intent, nor victim.

 

However, festering corruption like Jersey’s can rarely stand continuous attention: Weeks later, McClain cynically sent a woman-beating professional football player into the same diversion program he denied Allen. That travesty caused gun rights organizations, and the odd podcasters and blogger or two, to ignite a nation-wide firestorm. McClain had to ungracefully back-down and let Allen into the diversion program.

 

Now, still feeling the residual heat, Christie has pardoned Allen. However, the insane laws that jailed her remain in force. Hundreds of other law-abiding citizens, like Brian Aitken, are destroyed for similar petty violations of the state’s draconian, unconstitutional, gun laws. Christie has done nothing to stop those injustices.

 

You can choke on your Presidential ambitions, big guy.

 

Gary – I read the pardon, and find it interesting that the Governor can revoke the pardon at anytime, but a Presidential Pardon can not be revoked ever.

 

 

Listener Anthony sent this in by e-mail.  Governor Brownback Signs Permitless Carry Into Law.  Here is a look at the other end of the political spectrum with a governor that does support the rights of his citizens: Kansas Governor Sam Brownback signed permitless concealed carry into law.  Five states have now adopted Constitutional Carry.

We reported on the bill’s passage through the legislature last week. The Kansas bill enjoyed strong bipartisan support in both legislative branches as well as broad popularity with Kansans. Now, Gov Brownback’s signature has made it law. Opponents were quick to quibble with the freedoms – and corresponding responsibilities – inherent in the bill. Predictably, some of the loudest screeching was from Bloomberg’s Demanding Moms. Disputing the Second Amendment deniers, Brownback noted that the state’s experience with concealed carry has been both positive and safe.
Again, Congratulations Jayhawks!

(Paul- Insert applause sound effect here)

 

 

FBI Director Supports Concealed Carriers

FBI Director James Comey was testifying before a House Committee when he expressed support for Concealed Carriers.  Comey stated – under oath – that in his decades long law enforcement career he’s never had a problem with concealed carriers.  He seemed genuinely supportive of the armed citizen.

Although his political masters can’t be happy about that comment, we applaud FBI Direct Comey for his integrity and honesty.

Operation Choke Point

Last week we discussed the Misadministration’s Operation Choke Point, which abuses the regulatory process in order to deny financial services to businesses that they feel are objectionable. Politically incorrect firms such as the tobacco, coal and gun industries have been illegally targeted.

 

In Florida, there’s strong indications that the operation is still active. American Gun & Pawn recently received notice that the Suntrust Bank would be closing their accounts within 10 days. No reason for the closure was given; the business is said to be an exemplary customer with perfect credit and no overdrafts.

The owner demanded an explanation. A bank representative wasn’t sure why Suntrust was closing his account, but they did know that a lot of gun shops had received similar letters all across the country. It was a corporate decision. The gun store owner plans on talking to an attorney.
In a society where bakers are forced by law to make cakes, how is this possible? Oh… right… a pen and a phone.

 

 

Sarah Brady Dies
Sarah Brady, wife of James Brady and head of the anti-rights Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has died. Her life was tragically altered by a madman’s attack on President Reagan. Her husband, James Brady, was severely injured while in service to this country. The staff of the Polite Society Podcast would like to extend their sincere condolences to Sarah Brady’s friends and family.

 

 

Eddie Eagle

In an effort that actually protects the youth of America, the NRA’s Eddie Eagle GunSafe® program has now reached 26 million children in all 50 states. The nonpartisan program instructs school children on what to do if they encounter a firearm. The Stop! Don’t Touch! Get an Adult! training has certainly contributed to the plunging accidental death by firearms rates.  We congratulate the NRA for their excellent program and their community spirit.

 

 

The District of Columbia Drops Concealed Carry Appeal
The NRA and the SAF report that the District of Columbia has dropped its appeal of a federal judge’s ruling last July that struck down the city’s ban on carrying firearms in public. The case, known as Palmer v. District of Columbia, declared the ban on carrying firearms outside of the home to be unconstitutional.

Unfortunately, the District’s decision is not the rush to sanity that it seems. The city is dropping it defense of Palmer to focus on defending its new concealed carry law against constitutional challenge. SAF founder Alan Gottlieb noted that the District’s current carry law is already being challenged.

 

Under the present scheme, permit applicants must provide a good reason for carrying a firearm, and the police chief gets to decide whether that reason is valid. So far, few applicants have been approved, Gottlieb said, and that is “a fundamental flaw. No public official should enjoy that kind of sway over a citizen’s right to bear arms. It creates a manifestly unfair system that is wide open to abuse and favoritism, as we’ve seen in New York, California and elsewhere that insiders and elitists can get permits, but average citizens are routinely given second-class consideration, or no consideration at all.”

We wish Alan Gottlieb Godspeed!

Comment- Rob- Ask your congressman to disapprove the DC carry law.

 

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More Guns = Less Crime — Even in California

California’s inmates continue their appetite for handguns despite all their betters do to frustrate their wishes.  California Department of Justice statistics show an increasing rate of legal handguns purchases, while gun violence, which largely involves handguns, has continued to fall.

 

In his blog piece, attorney Chuck Michel of CalGunLaws.com discussed the discordinate trends within California.  Contrary to claims made by the gun banning politicians,  California’s plummeting gun violence rate has no statistical relationship to the new gun control laws. The new gun control laws greatly inconvenience the law abiding gun owners and buyers, but had nothing to do with the declining crime rate. Mitchel credits the new crime control laws.

 

In 1993, California voters passed a pair of laws over the objections of their progressive politicians. The Three Strike and 10-20-Life laws gun use law took many career criminals off the streets. As a result of that time-honored formula, crimes rates declined. Predictably, California’s politicians are working to blunt the teeth of those laws.

Ah, California.

 

 

The following ain’t mine.  Dan

 

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RAW!!!                                                                             Arrest Of School Shooter’s Dad Shows Fatal Flaw Of Gun Control Measure, Says CCRKBA

 

 

  • (NEEDS EDITING) BELLEVUE, WA – Today’s arrest of Raymond Lee Fryberg, father of Marysville Pilchuck gunman Jaylen Fryberg, on charges of illegally purchasing the pistol used in that shooting demonstrates the fatal flaw of so-called “universal background check” legislation, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said.

“Apparently,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, “a permanent protection order issued against Fryberg back in 2002 never made it into the National Instant Check System (NICS). Penalizing all law-abiding gun owners because a system is flawed does not prevent crime from happening, nor does it keep the wrong people from getting their hands on guns.”

The government alleges that not only did the elder Fryberg provide false information on the Federal Form 4473 when he bought the Beretta pistol his son used in the October shooting, he also allegedly bought four other firearms at various times. It is not known why information about the protection order did not appear in the NICS system, but Fryberg’s status as a disqualified person apparently never showed up during NICS checks. But he apparently knew the protection order was still in effect months before he bought the handgun, and so did the tribal court.

“Instead of spending millions of dollars on initiative campaigns aimed at back-door gun registration,” Gottlieb observed, “Michael Bloomberg and other wealthy anti-gun elitists could better spend their money lobbying Congress to either fix the NICS system or scrap it altogether. Indeed, if billionaire gun prohibitionists really wanted to do something useful with their money, they could donate it to the government to pay for the fixes, including better data entry.

“We won’t forget,” he added, “that Nick Hanauer, the chief proponent of Initiative 594 last year, sarcastically joked on social media after the Marysville Pilchuck tragedy that ‘we need more school shootings’. It was a despicable attempt to exploit the shooting, and it is now painfully clear that the measure he and his elitist friends sold the public would not have prevented what happened.

“Buying elections to pass unenforceable laws that don’t prevent crimes creates a false sense of security that is dishonest to its core,” Gottlieb concluded.

 

 

There is some common sense in Oregon.  Gun rights advocates have long asked for pre-approval to buy guns.. and conversely, a mark on a drivers license that shows who is not permitted to buy firearms.  The Oregon gun owner registration bill was stalled.  An amendment proposed by Senator Kim Thatcher would eliminate the onerous background check requirements on private transfers, and replace them with a system whereby only prohibited persons would be identified.

 

This is how it works.  If you are a prohibited person, your driver’s license would include an indicator, just as it does now for corrective lenses or organ donors. Non prohibited persons would have no change on their license. If you wanted to transfer a firearm you would only need to see the back of the recipient’s driver’s license or state ID card. If there is no prohibiting mark, then the transfer is made without a background check.  There are no fees, no registration and no paperwork. There will be no record of the transfer and no list of guns or gun owners.

 

Firearms transfers at dealers would have no changes, except a dealer would have the advantage of knowing beforehand that a person was going to be denied and could save himself the time and expense of running the check.

 

-There is more news from Oregon.  The mandatory background check bill was proposed by state Senator Chuck Riley.  Riley won election by 280 votes.. after he accepted $75 thousand dollars from Bloomberg.  Now there are plans for a recall effort to remove Senator Riley.  Just like Colorado, citizen activists are  researching the recall process, reaching out to volunteers, and contacting prospective candidates to take Senator Riley’s vacant seat.

 

comment-Rob- They turned away 68 citizens who wanted to testify against the bill.

comment – John – But allowed Dan Gross of the Brady Campaign and Gabby Giffords to testify.

 

 

Nigerian Massacre  (This news should go last)

And finally, this week brought us a sickening object lesson on why arms are necessary in a world where evil thrives. The Islamic extremist group al-Shabab proudly massacred 148 people in a Kenyan college. After killing two guards at the gate, the four terrorist were free to roam the school, killing as they pleased. Christian’s were specifically identified for slaughter; Muslims were allowed to go free. Police responded within minutes, but were unfortunately far too late. The murderers were eventually cornered in a school dormitory where, with no more innocents left to kill, they suicided. They left behind chaos and blood-soaked horror.

 

This atrocity was organized by the same al-Qaeda affiliated terrorists that assaulted Nairobi, Kenya’s high-end Westgate shopping mall. Sixty seven lives were taken in an attack that lasted four days. Many lessons became obvious: No less than the secretary-general of Interpol recommended an armed citizenry as a way of protecting people from mass shootings. He noted that it was virtually impossible to stop killers from getting weapons, and that you can’t have armed police forces everywhere. He further stated that you have to ask if an armed citizenry more necessary now than it was in the past, with an evolving threat of terrorism?

 

Unfortunately, Interpol’s recommendations were too easy to for governments to ignore.

Terrorism experts expect that these type of attacks will certainly come to American soil. Al-Shabab boasts that “No amount of precaution or safety measures will be able to guarantee your safety, thwart another attack or prevent another bloodbath.”

The armed citizens of this nation disrespectfully disagree. We arm, we practice, we carry, and we resists our government’s efforts to disarm us in face of these, and many other evils.

Stay safe out there. It’s a dangerous world.

 

 

-Rob, you have some personal news you wanted to share.

Rob- I’m getting together with some friends at the NRA convention and I want you to join us.  I’m meeting with editor Katie Pavlich, author Brad Thor, commentator Dana Loesch, rocker Ted Nugent, John Lott, Mark Walters, Tom Gresham, Tim Schmidt, and Nikki Goeser. We’re having a stand up buffet and dessert. It is from 6:30 to 9pm Friday evening at the downtown Hilton next to the convention center. You can also shoot with these celebrities the next morning. There is a fee. Proceeds support Doctor John Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center. Check his website Crime Prevention Research Center. ORG for tickets.

 

Gun Quote of the week.  This was sent in by Ken from Arizona.  “I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.”  That was General Douglas Macarthur.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

 

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

Armed Citizen Saves a Woman Being Carjacked

From Smyrna, Georgia comes an event where an armed citizen saved a woman from death or serious injury. The man ran toward the fracas and fired a shot at a carjacker, likely saving the woman who was on the car’s hood. The shot hit the thief in the shoulder, stopping the car.

Our congratulation to the CCW holder, he acted to preserve a life. But, we have to question the sanity of the woman who jumped on the hood of her car.
Do you think our hero used a Glock?  (Smyrna is the headquarters of Glock USA.)

 

Woman Uses Firearm to Save her Brother
A woman used her firearm to save her brother during a home invasion at 3:40 AM in the mean streets of Detroit.

Awakened by the scuffle downstairs, the woman grabbed her gun. She fired several times, wounding one of the two attacking her brother.  Both assailants ran off. Several minutes later, a 21 year-old appeared at a local hospital, where he is now listed in critical condition. Predictably, the shootee did not mention any home invasion, but told police that someone shot him on Chandler Park and he called his cousin to take him to the hospital. Riiiiiight.

Neighbors interviewed about the incident said they would have done the same thing. They also encouraged every Detroit homeowner to get a concealed carry permit so they can have a gun with them not only in the house, but outside.

 

 

Never Bring A Box Cutter to a Gunfight
A Tennessee store owner is lucky to be alive after having his throat slashed with a box cutter. The owner of Discount Tobacco and Beer was assaulted by a man with a long criminal history as well as a razor. The unprovoked slashing attack barely missed the owner’s main artery. Desperately injured, he was still able to draw his permitted conceal carry firearm and shoot to stop his attacker.  The man was later found dead a short distance away by police.
The store owner is not expected to face any charges.

 

 

Never Bring A Brick to a Gunfight
In Harris County, Texas, a love triangle turned deadly for the jilted lover. The ex-boyfriend showed up at a woman’s house with a brick to threaten her and her new boyfriend. In that potentially deadly situation, the new boyfriend shot and killed the assailant.

Witnesses said the ex attempted to throw a brick at the boyfriend, prompting the shooting. It gets messy, as the new BFF may have been outside investigating a noise when the shot was fired. The police investigation is ongoing, but at this time it doesn’t appear that the new beau will be charged.

 

Never Bring A Replica to a Gunfight
A woman and her accomplice were foiled in their attempt to rob two men lured in by promises of a cheap Playstation. The two men met Natasha Brady, 22, but wisely declined her instructions to go behind the house. That’s when Brady’s accomplice appeared with a gun and demanded their possessions. However, one of the buyers was armed, and squared-off at the robber… who dropped his pistol and ran. The pistol was later found to be a replica. Likewise, the Playstation box contained only a brick. Brady was arrested for robbery and her feckless accomplice is still being sought.

Good on the men for exhibiting true gun-sense. In the future, however, they might want to patronize a store where getting robbed is only a figure of speech.

 

 

Don’t Torque-off the Old Guy (DTOG) III

Finally, in Oklahoma a seasoned citizen defends his wife and himself when three criminals invade their home. As his screaming wife was taken to a back room by a masked intruder holding a gun to her head, another intruder ordered Eddie Gilmore to get on the floor.

 

Bad move, bad guy.

 

“I got over between the couch and the coffee table and when I did I went down and put my arm on the coffee table to kind of hide myself and I pulled the drawer open because I had a gun in there.” Old Guy Gilmore came up shooting in every direction he could (his words), hitting two of the crims. The suspects fired back, but neither Eddie nor his wife were hurt. “They could’ve killed her and come right in here and killed me if I hadn’t had a gun.”

 

The suspects were picked up later, and it seems that they were simply bored and randomly looked for a home to rob. It can be a scary thing when criminals are bored. It’s good thing to be able to scare the criminals right back.

 

Dead-eye Eddie did notice some important things that didn’t happen: “I had some reloads in this one gun and they misfired…next time they won’t misfire.”

Rule Number 1 of a Long Life: Don’t Torque-off the Old Guy.

 

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email #1 from Ken in Phoenix.

 

Could you guys talk a bit about the Gun Show Loophole on one of your upcoming shows. From what I’ve read, there is indeed such a thing. But every 2A and firearms podcast I listen to, everyone is emphatic that there isn’t. Somehow, the two sides are reading (or interpreting) different things. It can’t be both at the same time, so, would you folks try to clear this up once and for all. Much appreciated.

Thanks.
Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

Comment- The gun show loophole is a pejorative term used by anti-rights advocates.  Every state and federal law that applies outside a gun show also applies inside a gun show.  Dealers are required to use background checks at a gunshow just as they do at their bricks-and-mortar store..  If the state does not require a background check for private party sales, then two individuals can meet at the gun show and conduct a private party sale.. usually outside the gun show.  You’ll often see someone carrying a rifle over their back with a flag sticking out of the barrel.. and the flag says “for sale”.  In contrast, some states require all firearms sales to be through a licensed dealer.

 

Some media propagandists claimed that most vendors at the gunshow were operating without federal and state firearms licenses and conducting unregistered sales.  That is technically true.. if you count the vendors selling drinks, food, T-shirts, toys, jewelry, knives, rifle scopes, gloves, books, cartridge magazines, ammunition, backpacks, gun bags and gun safes.  Most of the gun show isn’t about guns.

 

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about concealed carry on campus.  The anti-rights lobbyists lied about the bills in the state legislatures.  The propagandists phrased the question like this- Should the pimply-faced delinquent who went off to college and got stoned the first time he was away from home.. be given a gun to play with at school?  That isn’t what the law says. That isn’t what we see concealed carriers do.  The article is up at Clash Daily .com and at my blog; Slowfacts.wordpress.com.

 

John tell us about your blog?

 

I had a post up on Friday discussing the DC Attorney General’s decision to dismiss their appeal of the Palmer case. I noted that DC will dig in their heels on 2A rights much like the segregationists did in the 1950s and 60s South.

 

Rob- John, that approach has worked in California.  They will claim that demanding good cause is within the law.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.

Paul: until the next time…

Rob: stay safe..

Gary: be aware..

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 322 – David Yamane and John McGregor

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded  Sunday March 29th , I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob- I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk about Lucky Gunner  winning a lawsuit

John: I’m John Richardson.  We interview Doris Montrose and Lucy Thomas of Jews Can Shoot.  We also have interviews with Dr. John Edeen and Rachel Malone.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty.  We report on gun confiscation in Arizona, and a wheelchair bound man who defended himself from three home invaders.. because he was armed.. so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 321 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- 20 new doctors and nurses had their first shots with us on Saturday.  We paired them up 1 on 1 with volunteer mentors.  One of my students had hands so small she could barely reach the trigger on a Ruger mk II .22.   Different guns for different people.  The volunteers came from the San Diego Chapter of Gun Owners of California.  Our monthly first shots events are fully booked for the next four months.  I interviewed Dr. John Edeen.  He was on Armed American Radio last week, and is Gun Talk with Tom Gresham today.

 

John – It is hard to believe that the NRA Annual meeting is just two weeks away. I’ve registered for the NRA’s Annual Law Seminar on Friday and am looking forward to hearing speakers including Mas Ayoob, Stephen Halbrook who has been been on the show, and Glenn Reynolds, the Instapundit. That is about it for firearms news for me. I’ve been busy with work this week with a 2-day trip to Baltimore. Given Maryland’s anti-self defense gun laws, it was just as well that I never left the hotel.

 

Paul- Rachel called in, but can’t join us today.

 

Helped my son move this morning. We have our office/studio back!

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Seg 2- News

 

Arizona Vet’s Firearms Confiscated

Imagine losing your Constitutional Rights by nothing more than the word of a feuding neighbor. Rick Bailey, a disabled veteran, is living this nightmare in Glendale, Arizona.

 

For several months Bailey has been involved in a landscaping dispute with his neighbor, Dustin Moss. Things came to a head when Bailey called police to report a strong odor of chemicals coming from his neighbor’s. The next day, Moss went before a judge and claimed that Bailey had threatened to shoot him – sometime in the past. Bailey vehemently denies the charge and there are no prior police complaints.

 

Despite these very shaky grounds, Judge Baxter issued a protective order. The judge also attached a separate injunction to confiscate all of Bailey’s firearms. The same day, the Glendale police department confiscated Bailey’s lifetime gun collection. Within the collection was a World War 2 era M1 Garand valued at $5,500, and a Winchester 1897 pump shotgun.

The laws that took Bailey’s guns away are the same type of “Gun Sense” laws that anti-rights groups are pushing nationwide. If this trend continues it could be truly dangerous to our rights. A Go Fund Me page has been set up to assist Mr. Bailey with the legal fees he’ll likely encounter attempting to recover his guns. We wish Mr. Bailey all the best.

(Here’s hoping (against hope) that the Glendale Police Department is taking adequate care of that Garand.)

Rabbi’s Demand: Let Jews Defend Themselves from Terrorism  

It’s hard to believe that 70 years after the Holocaust, European Jews are again facing a foe bent on their extermination. Islamic extremists (there, I said it) are conducting targeted attacks on Jewish communities across Europe.

However, things might be different this time.

Rabbi Menachem Margolin, head of the Rabbinical Centre of Europe and the European Jewish Association, is calling for Europe’s firearm policies be reformed to enable Jews to defend themselves against terrorists. Police forces have been largely unable to stop the specific attacks. Europe’s restrictive laws prevent the law-abiding from owning or carrying firearms for self-defense. Terrorists, who acquire guns on the black market, laugh at such laws. It all sounds too familiar.

America’s gun owners appaud the efforts of European Jews, indeed all Europeans, to arm themselves in face of the rising terror threats.

 

Never again.

Chicagoland’s First Concealed Carry Anniversary
A year ago, Illinois became the last state in the nation to permit concealed carry. In a year, 92,000 residents have received their CCW licenses. Despite all the editorial ink spilled on the street, blood did not flow in the Wild, Wild West of Chicago. In the year. there have only been a couple incidents involving legal gun owners that have created headlines. Most notably, a positive one, where a CCW holder shot and wounded a man firing into a crowd on Chicago’s Far South Side.

 

Elwood Police Chief Fred Hayes, who previously opposed the law, said he noticed suburbanites with concealed carry licenses seem to be less fearful of crime and more confident in community safety. Law-abiding citizens (are) adjusting their fear level by confidence and knowledge.” Hayes said he stopped opposing the concealed carry law when he realized that the past year has not resulted in the level of violence some anticipated. In his opinion, the past year is a good indicator that the current law works well in Illinois.

 

However, politicians spring eternal; a number of Chicagoland state legislators contend that a year may not be enough time to tell how effectively it works or whether it will require future changes. Other disagreements about the law’s nuances will likely take center stage, specifically around who should be denied a permit, whether businesses should continue to have to post a “no guns allowed” sign, or whether to expand or shorten the list of more than 25 types of establishments where guns are not yet allowed, such as schools and airports.
Hmm, seems concealed carry is working in Illinois; just like in the other 49 states.  Who would’ve thought?

Kansas May Adopt Constitutional Carry
Kansas may become the fifth state to embrace Constitutional Carry after the Legislature gave final approval Wednesday to a bill backed by the NRA. Governor Sam Brownback’s office did not say what he planned to do, but he has signed every major gun-rights measure sent to him since taking office in January 2011.

 

The Republican-dominated Kansas Legislature has strong gun-rights majorities in both chambers, and Senate Majority Leader Terry Bruce was the bill’s leading sponsor. The NRA joined the Kansas State Rifle Association in pushing for it, while the state chapter of the increasingly irrelevant Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence sought to block it.

Congratulations, Jayhawks!

Gun Debate Heats up in Senate Budget Battle
As the Senate debates the federal government’s 2016 budget, Republicans and gun advocates are pushing for a number of amendments that would expand concealed-carry laws and block the Obama administration from issuing what opponents call a “backdoor” ban on guns. “We expect more gun-related showdowns in the next 72 hours than in the next nine months combined,” the Gun Owners of America wrote in a message to supporters asking them to call their senators about these issues.

The recent attempt by the ATF to ban certain types of armor-piercing ammunition used in AR-15 rifles is still fresh in the minds of many Republican lawmakers. Senators James Inhofe and David Vitter are pushing an amendment that would prohibit the ATF from attempting to ban bullets that are primarily used by hunters and sportsmen. Inhofe is also offering other pro-gun amendments prohibiting the Obama administration from establishing a national firearms registry and barring the government from pressuring banks to close gun shops’ bank accounts. Senators Lamar Alexander and Steve Daines are offering an amendment that would stop the Fish and Wildlife Service from cracking down on antique guns containing ivory.

Please contact your Senators in support of these efforts.

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California Judge overturns three judge panel in the Peruta case

Judge Sidney Thomas was the dissenting opinion in the three judge panel hearing the case of Peruta versus Gore.  Ed Peruta asked for a concealed carry permit in San Diego California.  San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said Peruta did not have a good cause to be issued a permit.  The three judge panel sided with Ed Peruta.  Judge Thomas disagreed.  Late last year Judge Thomas became the chief judge of the ninth circuit.  He requested that the full circuit re-hear the case.  He ordered that the decision of the three judge panel be ignored.  He further decided that the California Attorney General, Kamal Harris could speak for Sheriff Gore.

 

Judge Thomas was appointed by President Clinton.  Thomas coordinates which of the judges on the 9th circuit will hear the case.  That means the fix is in, since you determine the judicial outcome by selecting which judges who will hear the case.  Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation said quote “We expected the Ninth Circuit to decide to hear our case en banc. I believe that this case will be finally ruled on by the Supreme Court.”

 

Since judge thomas’s ruling, the Orange county sheriff has stopped processing concealed carry permits.

 

John- The lawsuit was originally brought in San Diego County. To offer some perspective, both San Diego and Orange County have a larger population than 20 US states.  Yeah, Orange county is larger than Iowa.

 

Rob- And San Diego County is slightly smaller than Connecticut.

 

Paul- Only Orange county doesn’t get a senator, and 20 states do.

 

A short history of Concealed Carry   An article in the Idaho Statesman gives us a condensed history on concealed carry.  Notice how things have changed in the last 30 years.

The number of states with that denied all concealed carry shrank from 16 to 0, though some of those states still have a de facto-ban on civilians carrying firearms.

The number of states with a discretionary “may issue” policy shrank from 25 states down to 9 states.

States that have a “shall issue” policy rose from 8 to 36.

States allowing concealed carry without a permit rose from 1 to 5.

During the same time period, the rates of both total homicides and gun homicides have fallen by about half.

 

The Quebec minister of public security said the provincial government will create their own firearms registry for rifles.  The canadian supreme court ruled that the federal government can destroy their registry and is not required to give the data to the province of Quebec.  The provincial minister of security said quote “The premier has taken steps to put in place a Quebec gun registry with or without the federal gun registry data. There will be a Quebec registry.” close quote.  A federal court found their gun registry illegal.

 

Now Canadian advocates for armed self-defense will have to fight the Quebec government in court.

 

The Florida House Stands its ground

Some Florida cities asked for a law letting them outlaw shooting on private property.  Florida state Representative Darryl Rouson, a Democrat from Saint Petersburg, proposed such a bill.  The Florida House Criminal Justice Subcommittee killed the bill citing existing law that makes gun owners liable for any damage or injury they cause.  There is a difference between damage and a disgruntled neighbor who complains about hearing shooting next door.

 

Paul- It doesn’t matter if you are shooting for recreation, for training, or in self-defense; you are responsible for everything that happens until the bullet you fired comes to a stop.

 

DC told to join the United States

Florida senator Marco Rubio and Ohio representative Jim Jordan introduced legislation to revise the firearms laws in Washington DC.  The bills require “shall issue” of concealed-carry permits to residents and visitors who are not criminals.  DC residents would be able to purchase firearms in neighboring states.  The legislation allows private citizens, companies, and public agencies in the nation’s capital to determine whether they want to allow firearms to be carried on their property.  The bill also pre-empts DC re-regulation of firearms.  I’m sure the DC city council is shocked that mere citizens would want the freedom to protect themselves.

 

Paul- Oh, the horror.  How will those poor DC politicians run their municipal political campaigns without Bloomberg money?

 

New Jersey Mayor suggest firearms safety in public schools

Deborah Cope is mayor of Bass River Township, New Jersey.  She is president of the New Jersey Conference of Mayors.  She also owns and shoots handguns.  Mayor Cope asked for legislation reinstating firearms safety training in New Jersey elementary schools.  Quote “We talk about drugs, alcohol, sex, texting, bullying in schools.. but firearms safety got pushed off to the side, and we’re not talking about it with kids like we used to.” close quote.  Mayor Cope also wants to present her idea to reinstate gun-safety programs in schools during the New Jersey Conference of Mayors.  That conference is scheduled for late in April.

Operation Choke Point
In any regulated environment, there’s an obvious temptation for the bureaucrat to make things worse based on their feelings. Ever face a DMV employee that hates you? When that temptation to influence becomes a government mandate, fundamentally wrong things can happen.

 

The Obama administration’s Operation Choke Point seeks to restrain businesses they find objectionable. Using bank regulators, they choke off the objectionable’s access to loans, bank accounts, checks, credit card processing, and other necessary financial services. Payday loan firms, casinos, tobacco distributors, porn — and gun firms have all been targeted. These firms are all engaging in legal commerce – and are being punished because they are politically incorrect to this administration. The Obama administration has weaponized the regulatory process, a blatantly illegal abuse of regulatory power.

Operation Choke Point is a clandestine operation. Holder’s Department of Justice has denied Operation Choke Point’s existence — and has promised never do it again. However, many legal businesses have and are feeling the choking grip of this operation.

 

Mike Schuetz, owner of Hawkins Guns LLC, in Wisconsin, told Fox that he had audio recordings between himself and Heritage Credit Union. The recorded conversation revealed that Schuetz’s recently opened bank account had been closed because Heritage Credit does “not service businesses that deal in guns and ammunition.” Other small business owners like Schuetz are claiming their livelihoods have suffered under Operation Choke Point.

 

Congressional hearings over the DOJ’s Operation Choke Point were set to begin Tuesday. Schuetz hopes the hearings will put an end to the DOJ program and hold accountable those who put it in place. “It’s a sad day in America when this kind of things happens…” said Schuetz.

 

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Demanding Moms Choke on Kroger
During a March 25 appearance on CNBC’s Squawk Box, Kroger CFO Michael Schlotman said the retail food chain will not comply with the demands of Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, especially as those demands touch on changing store policy to disarm open-carry customers in states where openly carrying a gun in Kroger is legal.

 

“(W)e follow local laws [and] we ask our customers to be respectful to the other people they are shopping with. And we really haven’t had any issues inside of our stores as a result of that.”

 

By the way, on December 8 Breitbart News reported that Kroger’s profits rose 21 percent after refusing to ban guns. Mess with us, will you?

 

A  judge defends online ammunition sales

Jessica Ghawi was one of the victims in the Aurora movie theater murders.  Jessica’s parents, Sandy and Lonnie Phillips, sued online ammunition sellers saying they did not screen the murderer from buying equipment and ammunition.  US District Judge Richard Matsch said no.  The companies are protected by the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.  The judge also ruled that the defendants, meaning online sporting goods companies like Lucky Gunner and Sportsman’s Guide,  are entitled to an award of reasonable attorney fees and costs.”  The Brady campaign paid to bring the lawsuit, so I wonder if it will be the parents money or bloomberg’s money that pays the legal bills.

 

Comment – John – I just received an order from Sportsman’s Guide that included ammo! I’m also a Lucky Gunner affiliate.

Dr. Lott says the FBI numbers were skewed before the election

Dr John Lott at the Crime Prevention Research Center, said the latest statistics from the FBI contain numbers that are misleading at best and deliberately fudged at worst.  Quoting Doctor Lott, “The FBI put out a clearly incorrect set of numbers on public shootings shortly before the November election last year.  I have been reading FBI reports for 30 years and I have never seen anything like this.” close quote.  The FBI took its numbers from news reports rather from more accurate law enforcement crime data.  A counter report by the CPRC shows that if the biases and errors were corrected, the Bureau’s data would show that the annual growth rate for homicides in mass shootings had been cut in half.

A Washington State school board learns its lesson

The Kiona-Benton School Board in Washington State voted Monday night to allow designated school administrators to carry guns on campus.  They would provide an extra level of security for students and staff.  School Superintendent Wade Haun said, “I think the big takeaways are the fact that our students will be better protected and our staff will be well-trained and we will continue to train other staff members as well in other ways to keep our kids safe.”  School officials will take training and the school district will cover the costs. The board had earlier approved paying for firearms training for school administrators.

 

Last year, school officials in Toppenish, near Yakima, Washington also approved arming staff on campus.  Critics say armed staff don’t belong at school, but those same critics ignore the fact that criminals continue to ignore “gun-free zone” signs.

 

Paul- They call the police because the police have guns.  Well.. duh.

Paul- That brings up this weeks Gun Quote- “The theory of the gun-free school zone is that mass murderers won’t bring guns if teachers and parents don’t bring theirs.”

 

John- That reminds me, the movie Safe Haven comes out on the Sportsman’s Channel on April 1st.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interviews segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Dr. David Yamane

Joining us today is Dr. David Yamane who is a sociologist at Wake Forest University. He is a California native and received his doctorate from the University of Wisconsin.  His most recent research has been into Gun Culture 2.0 and he has a blog by that same name.  David will be teaching a new class this fall at Wake Forest entitled “Sociology of Guns”. Today he’ll talk about his introduction to firearms and how this has led to his research into the gun culture. As an aside, he strings tennis rackets professionally and was named the “Stringer of the Year” for 2014 by Tennis Industry Magazine.

 

Were firearms a part of your growing up in California?  How were you introduced to firearms? How did this lead to your interest in studying the gun culture and especially gun culture 2.0?

How would you define Gun Culture 2.0?

Are there other scholars you respect?

Many approach the study of firearms from an advocacy perspective, either pro or con. Could you tell us how your approach is different?

Your research interest is in studying legal gun ownership and use (as opposed to the the focus on crime, deviance, and social problems that dominants the social scientific literature on guns). Could you talk about that a bit?

How have your colleagues reacted to your research interests in firearms.?

What do you think of the campus carry debate?

Will we see you in Phoenix at GRPC?

 

Rachel Malone

Dr. John Edeen

 

Jews can shoot-

Welcome back to the podcast, Doris Montrose.  Doris advocates armed self-defense to Jews in Los Angeles.  You’ve offered lectures, training, and group visits to gun stores and ranges.

Intro to firearms

intro to armed self-defense

how to test-drive, select, and buy a firearm for self-defense

advanced classes teaching us how to move and shoot.

You have one of your students with you.

Lucy Thomas-

Lucy, why did you seek training?

What training have you taken?

Where are you in your decision to own a firearm and learn armed self-defense?

How common is your experience among jews in the LA area?

What next?

Doris, What is next for Jews can shoot?

How do our listeners find out  more about Jews can shoot?

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Man in a Wheelchair Kills Two Home Invaders
A wheelchair bound man successfully defend his life after three men broke into his apartment in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Even though he is partially paralyzed and only has use of his hands, he was able to resist the three armed attackers with a firearm. Two of his attackers died at the scene, the third escaped with his life.

The resident’s mother said that her son did the right thing, he had to shoot the men. “I’m surprised my son made it out of there.”

Sadly, this is not the first time the man has faced armed intruders. In 2011, a group of home invaders shot him seven times while he was still in bed. That attack sentenced him to life in the chair.

A Close Shave in a Philly Barbershop
Talk about a close shave: if it wasn’t for a concealed carrier walking into a barbershop at just the right moment, several adults and children could have died.

 

Eight to ten people were in a Philadelphia barbershop when Warren Edwards refused to “chill out” and began shooting. A customer who had just walked into the shop pulled his legally carried concealed weapon and shot Edwards several times, at least once in the chest. Edwards died on route to the hospital.

 

“The person who responded was a legal gun permit carrier,” Philadelphia police department Cpt. Frank Llewellyn said, according to CBS Philly. “Could have been a lot worse if it wasn’t for this guy who responded and basically saved a lot of people in there,”

 

The concealed carrier turned himself in at a police precinct. It is unknown if he will face any charges, but it is believed that the shooting was a case of self-defense.

 

Once again it should be noted: when seconds count – the cops are only minutes away.

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy II
In another of our continuing “Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy” series, a seasoned citizen captures a Cobb County, Georgia bank robber.

 

The military veteran was in a Wells Fargo bank when he saw a holdup in progress. The unnamed CCW holder ran to his car where he retrieved his pistol. Feeling his oat fiber, he tackled the young punk and held him at gunpoint until the police arrived.

A passerby observed that “I immediately knew by the way the man was standing, his stance, he was in control of the situation.” A nearby resident applauded the old guy for taking charge of the situation. “It’s wonderful that someone is willing to take action and show the bad people out there, you can’t do this and we’re going to stand up for what’s ours.”

It must be noted that no matter how heroic, most self-defense instructors would not recommend that a CCW holder get involved in this type of a situation. There was no immediate threat to life, and things could have gone very bad very quickly. That being said, we certainly applaud this hero, and award him our Old Guy of the Week.

13 Year Old Fights Off a Larger, Stronger Predator

Although this self-defense situation doesn’t involve a firearm, it does show that We are the weapon – the gun is only one of many tools.

 

A 13 year-old Pontiac, Michigan girl was walking home Saturday night from Walgreens when she was attacked by a predator. “Some man yelled at me, he was like, ‘Hey,’” she said. “I turned around and I started speed-walking. And then he ran behind me and pulled me back into the bushes.” The girl said the man was strong; tightly grabbing her arms. “I was scared,” she told the news channel. “He just pulled me into the bushes and kept saying ‘come on.’ I was just fighting back because I was scared.”

 

“And then I kicked back at him and he loosened up.” She kicked back at him three times – in his groin.

 

We pause while the male listeners finish wincing.

 

Oakland County Undersheriff Michael McCabe said the girl did the exact right thing in that situation.“ Pretty good thinking on her part, she did the right thing,”he said. “She screamed and yelled and kicked. He went down and she ran away.”

 

Now, that’s Girl Power!

 

Not in my used car lot you don’t

A masked gunman walked into a used car dealership in Chattanooga, Tennessee.  The robber held the store employees at gunpoint and demanded cash.  What the robber got instead was a bullet in the chest from an armed employee.  EMTs transported the robber to a nearby hospital where he died.  Police have closed the investigation, but have not released the robbers name while they notify the next of kin.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday March 22nd 2015 I’m Paul Lathrop.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about B Todd Jones stepping down as the director of the ATF.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a disabled veteran defended a pregnant woman.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also talk with George Hill about range safety instructions, so climb aboard!

John: strap in!

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 319 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- Dry practice, gun shopping and shooting.  Went to our county chapter of Gun Owners of California.  Took a class for non-resident CCWs.  I helped Kenn Blanchard with an episode.  Yesterday I interviewed Rachel Malone about texas legislation.  And I worked out.

 

Gary – I am physically ill, this week I saw the video of the fake gun store that was supposedly set up in New York City. People (actors??) went in to the store to find out information about getting a gun for self defense. The “clerk” proceeded to claim that every gun looked at was the actual gun used in a horrific tragedy, like Sandy Hook and the Walmart mother shot by her child. Then the ?customers? were interviewed after they left the store and they decided not to purchase the best tool for self-defense and they seemed to be unaware of the negative incidents involving firearms mentioned by the clerk. Of course there was no mention of the, depending on which research you believe 250 to over 2000 defensive gun uses everyday, “even a diehard gun-control advocate with any principles and common sense would admit that this fact must be given some weight.” So, fake store – lie, fake clerk – lie, fake guns – lie, gun used in crimes – lie, maybe fake customers – lie, safety training – lie by omission, defensive gun uses – lie by omission. If you have to lie to make your point you don’t have a good point. I’ve said it before and believe it bares repeating, we must only speak the truth in this argument.

 

With a total of 11 homicides and 39 additional people shot and wounded just since last Sunday in Chicago by bad people, how can any rational person think that scaring good people from getting a gun will save a life.

 

John – I had coffee on Friday with Dr. David Yamane of Wake Forest University. He is a sociologist doing research on Gun Culture 2.0 and has a gun blog by the same name. Yes, I said gun blog. He is a MAG-40 graduate among other things. He will be our guest on a future podcast next to discuss his research. Other than that, I registered for the NRA’s Annual Law Seminar to be held at the NRA Annual Meeting. I can’t believe how quickly that is coming up. Speaking of New York and ARs, I purchased an older Colt upper from a guy there. I’m wondering if he is parting out a gun due to the NY SAFE Act.

 

Paul – Interviewed on Geeks Gadgets and Guns and had a great time! – Interviewed Doc Wesson later in the day. Trying to get caught up on everything that I should have been doing for the show for the past several seeks and failing miserably. Wearing my new python gun belt from Concealment Solutions. I have been told forever (hat tip to Kathy Jackson) about getting a specific belt designed for carrying a gun. The balance and stability are SO much better than before, and I didn’t have a bad belt before.

Classes Bob and Ben on May 16th and 17th Beyond concealed carry enhanced. Looking like a sellout.

 

Kathy Jackson Aug 15th and 16th

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Seg 2- News

 

Horsehide?

 

Rob’s rant-  We’ve had e-mail from listeners who called themselves pro-gun democrats.  You can call yourself anything you want, but I notice how democrat politicians have voted to deny our right of self-defense.  That is why I’m asking our listeners who are pro-gun liberals to tell me about democrats who voted for our rights.. when their vote makes a difference.   That last part is critically important.  Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid would let democrats vote pro-gun once the speaker knew their vote wouldn’t matter.  That is why I ask you, where are these pro-gun democrats you told me about.  Where are they when it counts?

 

Not senator Joe Manchin who spoke against constitutional carry and Governor Earl Ray Tomblin of West Virginia who vetoed constitutional carry.  Not the Democrats in the virginia legislature.  Not democrat Governor Jay Nixon of Missouri.  Not democrat attorney general Kathleen Kane of Pennsylvania. Not democrat senator Harry Reid of Nevada.  I don’t see any democrats senators voting against US Attorney General nominee Loretta Lynch.  I don’t see pro-gun democrats protecting our rights in New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Hawaii or California.  I hear about pro-gun democrats in the Colorado House, but I want to see their votes.. when it counts

(crickets)

To be fair, some Republicans are hypocrites too.  We can’t get RINO legislators or the republican governor in Tennessee to support the right of self-defense.. let alone the democrats.

 

ATF Director Todd Jones Resigning
In a statement to BATFE employees and agents, BATFE Director B. Todd Jones confirmed that he is resigning. In little more than a week he will leave the Obama government for the private sector. Deputy Director Tom Brandon will serve as interim Director of the controversial agency.

Jones’ abrupt resignation comes a month after the ATF announced a ban on the popular M855 Green-Tip 5.56 ammunition. That overreach ignited a firestorm of protests from the NRA, SAF, Congress and millions of gun owners. The ATF publicly backed down, embarrassing the Obama administration. Jones then announced before a Senate committee that all 5.56 ammunition was a problem, further inflaming the gun rights community. Apparently, that level of openness couldn’t be tolerated, and the three-year director had to go.

Jones is reportedly heading to the NFL, where he will again have ample opportunities to fumble.

 

John – comment – While some are saying this had to do with the M855 debacle, I doubt it. He is going to be the investigative counsel for the NFL. To get a job like that, he was talking to them for at least the last 6 months.  The NY Post reports that the NFL sought him for their personal conduct policy and will be paying him “several million dollars” a year.

Gun Groups Rally Against Loretta Lynch
With the ATF’s proposed bullet ban on their minds, gun rights groups are making an effort to stop Senate confirmation of Obama’s choice for Attorney General. The NRA alerted its members, warning that Loretta Lynch, with her close ties to the administration, would put gun rights at risk. Other activists are hitting the pens and phones to oppose someone likely to be Eric Holder 2.0.

Lynch’s support of Obama’s lawless executive actions has troubled GOP senators, further eroding the candidates chances. Four Republican Senators must add their votes to the Democrats’ in order to confirm Lynch.  Now would be a good time to let your Senator know your opinion of Loretta Lynch as Attorney General.

 

Gov. Tomblin Vetoes Concealed Carry
Unfortunately, not all politicians respect the right to self-defense.

West Virginia Governor Earl Ray Tomblin, Democrat, vetoed SB 347 which would have given the state’s citizens the right to carry concealed without a government permit.  Citing the old claim of  putting public safety first, Tomblin scotched the bill.  He did so over the 101-33 vote of the legislature.

 

Supporters had argued the permit requirement, which includes mandated training and $100 fees, treads on 2nd Amendment rights. Delegate Mike Folk said Tomblin should have signed the bill and promises to bring the bill back next year.

 

Many citizens hoped West Virginia would join the four states that currently do not require permits for concealed carry. Better luck next year.

 

Comment- Rob- To our West Virginia listeners, better luck choosing your next governor.

Comment- John – Unfortunately, it would take a special session of the legislature to override the veto. I doubt that will happen. However, supporters including Democrats have said they will vote for it again when it comes up.

 

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Disarmed by the Maryland Legislature

-This is not a game.  The right to own a firearm is personal.  Denying that right has a terrible cost.  Listen to Jacqueline Kahn who is a rape survivor.

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Jacqueline is also an NRA firearms instructor.   She lives in Maryland where it is illegal for her to walk to her car while armed.

 

Jacqueline testified before the Maryland Senate.  Constitutional carry is worth it if it stops one single rape.

 

Representative Vasilinda (D) Backs Guns on Campus Bill
A florida legislator agrees with Jacqueline Kahn.  Florida Representative Michelle Vasilinda broke with her Democrat brethren and voted for a bill allowing concealed carry on Florida college campuses. The cause for her defection was very personal; she had used a firearm to defend herself when she was in college.

In a moving speech before the legislature, Vasilinda described how she used a firearm to stopped her rape in her apartment. She wants others to have the same ability, saying “I would vote for every woman to be able to have that tool if they so desired. The plain truth is campuses are not safe. They are gun-free zones where murderers and rapists commit their crimes without being harmed by their victims, Only the victim has the chance to actually stop the crime”, she said.

 

Representative Vasilinda should be commended for her principled stand.

Rob, there is your pro-gun democrat.

Rob-comment- It is clear I owe her a message of appreciation.  I’ll check if her vote made a difference.

 

IGOLD

Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day was last week.  Hundreds of citizen lobbyists flooded the Springfield capital in their bright yellow shirts.  They supported legislation in the Illinois General Assembly that would allow concealed carry in places prohibited under current law, such as bus stations, churches and bars.  On the other hand, Illinois gun owners are particularly concerned about recent legislation supported by Chicago’s Mayor Rahm Emanuel.  These bills include a handgun registry (HB 5831) and tax on ammunition (HB 5167).  Those bills passed out of a House committee.  We have a link in our show notes to the online  petition opposing the illinois gun grab.  http://www.opposechicagogunlaws.com/.

Good work Illinois gun owners.

 

Four Die on Way to a Open Carry Event
The Right To Bear Arms, Richmond, Virginia organization suffered a tragic loss when four of its members were killed on the way to a Open Carry event in Ohio. The four men were traveling to an Open Carry walk in Detroit when their car was involved in an accident with a semi. Three men died on the scene, the fourth man was declared dead at the hospital. The semi driver was also hospitalized.

The hosts and staff of the Polite Society podcast extend condolences to the friends and family of those patriots.

 

An Iowa lawyer walks the walk

-It is a small gun world.  I first read a blog called learn about guns about 8 years ago.  Eric Puryear is the author.  He went to school in Illinois and now lives and works in Davenport Iowa.  He is a lawyer and an NRA pistol instructor.  As you’d expect, he encourages people to responsibly own and carry firearms.  Now Eric also has his own law practice,  and, of course, Eric pays his employees.  He pays them extra if they get their Iowa carry permit and carry in the office.  That fact was written up in an NRA news article.  The NRA story was picked up by a local TV station in Davenport.  They interviewed Eric and his staff.

 

Lawyers in many towns would be afraid if it were publicly known they carried a firearm.  We do this podcast so the ownership and possession of firearms becomes a safe and ordinary event.  Thank you, Eric for protecting your partners, staff and clients.. and making gun owners a trusted part of the community.

 

Appleseed back in Colorado Schools

-Speaking of making guns accepted and ordinary, let’s take an elementary school to the range.  An elementary class from Colorado City, Colorado went to the range last year with Project Appleseed.  The students were back at the range last week.

 

The first two days of the three day class covered stories from the Revolutionary war.  Re-enactors in colonial era costume demonstrated the tools and skills used during that time period.  Lessons on firearm safety included examples of different firearms and how they worked.  The third day was spent at the shooting range where all of the students got the chance to fire rimfire rifles. Of course, the day started with a safety briefing.  Some of the kids had never shot a rifle before, let alone handled one, so it was an exciting experience for them.

 

There was one significant problem this year.  They only had space for half of the students who wanted to participate.  That is a good problem to have, and I hope they have more than one event next year.

 

Gun Quotes

George- I’m George Hill and here is our quote of the day.  “The only thing that stops evil men from doing violence, is good men that are better at it.”

 

Paul- George, thank you for your service to our country.

 

George- a pleasure and a privilege.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

 

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

New Jersey SAW- Sandra Muldoon, Shari Spivak

The second Amendment Women were busy since we talked a few months ago.  You introduce women to all the shooting sports, from introductions to firearms, to hunting and competition.  You also have your monthly practice events so women stay proficient with their firearms and see other women shooting.  That is a lot to cover.  Tell us what you’ve done lately.

Did your members have a good time?

How has your membership grown?

Your anniversary is coming up.

What is a spartan race?

Where can our listeners find out more about you.

http://www.sawshootingclub.com

https://www.facebook.com/sawshootingclub

George Hill-

We ask gun owners to be ambassadors for self-defense.  That includes introducing new shooters to the sport.  That means we set a good example by following the rules of the range.

What about when there is no range and we’re shooting on open property?  Some of us are not Range safety officers.  How do we confidently maintain both safety and fun?  The safety brief-

George, we also thought you’d like to rant about this from the EPA (grilling while armed)

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

Disabled Veteran Defends Pregnant Woman

A disabled Florida veteran protected himself and a pregnant woman from two attackers – with his firearm.

 

Coming to the aid of a pregnant woman when she was pushed, Joshua Anderson of Port Saint Lucie, Florida, earned the anger of two vagrants. The men threatened and pushed the vet — too far. They continued to threaten even after he warned them that he had a gun. Fearing for his life, Anderson shot both men in the torso.

 

Under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, the disabled veteran was within his rights to shoot his assailants. As Martin County Sheriff William Snyder sees it, Anderson clearly acted in self-defense and will not face any criminal charges. HIs attackers are both in critical condition.

 

Gun Free Zone Fail
Despite the power of a No-Guns sign and the full faith and credit of the Federal government’s many gun laws, an US Post Office in Ampthill, Virginia was robbed by two gun-toting suspects.

 

The robbers got away in a dark green SUV or pick-up truck. It is not known at this time if the truck was registered.

 

The Perfect House Guest
An invited house guest stopped four uninvited house guests from completing a home takeover robbery.

 

In the pre-dawn darkness, four robbers kick in the door of a Joplin, Missouri home. A few minute before, they had done the same thing nearby, holding a .45 Auto to the head of a terrified homeowner. This time, it was different: a house guest was armed, willing and able to resist.

 

One robber was shot in self-defense. The other three ran off, but were arrested later that day. They will be charged with their accomplices’ death under Missouri law. Police consider the guest to be a victim of the home-invasion and do not expect to charge him.

Geez, my guests only drink my good beer.

Get Offa My Lawn
A Tulsa, Oklahoma robber learned a powerful life-lesson that most of us learned very early on: Don’t P-Off the Old Guy.

 

Doug Jandebeur, 84, was leaving his business Monday night when a robber surprised him from behind. The thief slugged Jandebeur in the face and stole his wallet. He then left the victim standing and moved toward Jandebeur’s wife in the truck.

 

Big mistake.

 

“I pulled out my automatic and was getting ready to ventilate him. Once he saw my gun he decided to leave.” Jandebeur said.

 

As the thug’s face was captured by surveillance cameras, his life-lessons will probably continue when the cops catch up with him. Seasoned Citizen Doug has some wisdom for us all; “Anybody who doesn’t arm themselves is asking for trouble.”

(Note: This isn’t a DGU – but it is a powerful lesson and an important reminder on why we carry. )

 

Philly Teens Charged in Shooting Death of Man Walking Dog
In a brutal reminder that violence can come at any time; James Stuhlman, 51, was shot and killed while walking his dog. He was shot down not far from Philadelphia’s anti-gun Mayor Nutter’s residence. His three killers were hardly in their teens. Even at that young age, they had already been in trouble with the law.

 

Authorities said the three were looking for a victim that night. They attacked Stuhlman because he seemed like an easy target with his small dog. Stuhlman pleaded for his life, saying, “Please don’t shoot me. Please don’t shoot me.” But, he was shot in the chest. The three juveniles ran off without taking any of the victim’s possessions.

 

Fifteen-year-old Tyfine Hamilton turned himself in early Friday morning. Brandon Smith, 15,  and a third unnamed boy are also in police custody. Hamilton and Smith will be tried as adults, the 14-year-old as a juvenile.

 

As tragic and senseless as this act was, it could have been worse; Stuhlman often walked with his 13 year-old daughter.

 

A CCW may – or may not – have made a difference here. However, most people would have desperately wanted that option. It is a shame that Mayor Nutter is working so hard to deny them that choice. The listener may also ask why this story has gotten so little attention in the media, as it is a true “Hands Up – Don’t Shoot” situation.

Stay safe out there. – CF

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

This weeks email was sent in by Charles in Kansas

Guys…and Gal,

 

Just finished listening to episode 317 and Kathy Jackson was great as usual. Have been a listener for quite some time (3-4 years?) I was in the Politics and Guns camp myself. You all are part of a long list of podcast and among the favorites that I download every week.

 

Couple of things, and, you do not need to read this over the next podcast if you do not wish to.

 

Who is that heavy breather? this is the fourth or fifth episode that I have someone breathing in my ear and it is not sweet nothings , if I was to point a finger I would say it is John, sorry John but it is certainly not Rachel, and Rob was gone on Episode 316. I noticed also quite a bit of background noise this episode in particular, have you all gone to a more sensitive microphone? May I light heartily suggest backing away from the mic or using the mute if not actively commenting, especially during the times when it is just one of you interviewing a guest.

 

Though I am a veteran listener this is the first time I have reached out, and do not want to leave out without some positives. I consider Polite Society Podcast part of the new media that bucks the traditional methods, Podcasting has become a force of its own, just look at Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, his weekly radio program is now producing a fourth hour just for podcast listeners where he brings on his behind the scenes producers and call screener to have a 30 or 40 minute round table.

Being 47 I grew up in the late 70’s 80’s reading gun articles from greats like Massad Ayoob (may the gods preserve and pickle him for eternity) , John Taffin, Ken Hackathorn, Elmer Keith (from older magazines found in my fathers garage), and a long list of others. Comics and gun magazines were tucked between the pages of my history books.

I am glad we are where we are now, is this new era of digital media, I applaud you, Polite Society, and many others getting out there and pioneering this new territory for my informational and entertainment enjoyment. Though everyone may not be as polished, I find you certainly more earnest than traditional print. You keep producing the episodes, I’ll keep listening. Thanks for the hard work.

 

Charles Cherry

Kansas

We have a note from Dr John Edeen.  I’m signed up for the Appleseed in Fredericksburg Tx April 17-18. Paul and Susan come on down. I’ve done an Appleseed with Rachel as shoot boss. It’s worth the trip.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 318 – Reloading Podcast and Melody Lauer

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday March 15th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop. And on tonights show we will talk with the guys from Reloading Radio about getting started in reloading.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the ATF backing off of the M855 proposed ban, for now.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a Texas man defends himself against 3 armed home invaders.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also have an interview with Melody Lauer about carrying for new mothers, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 318
of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
gary- Bought a gun safe.

John – went to my 3rd gun show in as many weeks and I still haven’t found how to buy a gun through the gun show loophole. It was a very small show but still fun. Gary will be pleased to know I finally found my Mission First stock. Or I should say my wife found it. My only problem now is it is for a milspec buffer tube and it has a commercial buffer tube on it.

Rob- took a friend gun shopping.. and went shopping for myself as well. Registered for a non-resident ccw class next Saturday. Worked a gun show for 2 days and gave up two competitions to do it. I met 199 friends and one guy who pissed me off. Put new springs in my wife’s guns.

Paul: Expected to be home for a 3 day weekend, and found out on Thursday that I would only be home on Friday and would be leaving again over the weekend to cover a dedicated run.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.
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Seg 2- News

Paul- ATF Backs Down on M855 Ammo Ban – For Now
Early Tuesday afternoon, the BATFE tweeted out “You spoke, we listened. @ATFHQ plans more study on the proposed AP Ammo exemption framework.”

Listen, they did: Even the haughty, tone deaf Obama administration had to listen to the NRA, 52 Senators, 238 Representatives, 90,000 commentators, many police representatives and a huge swath of angry gun owners. They backed down. It was a stunning victory for the gun-rights coalition.

However, the ATF had only promised to withhold the regulation in order to “further study” the ban. Leaving it a possibility – in reality, a certainty – that the ban will be reintroduced in the future. Never ones to respect public opinion or the law, the administration almost immediately started to walk-back the temporary hold. According to White House spokeshole Josh Earnest, the president remains committed to common sense gun rules. Then the ATF Director told a Senate Appropriations Committee meeting that he considers all 5.56 NATO to be a threat to enforcement officers.and they hope to institute bullet bans in a “rational” manner Dozens of Democratic legislators are expected to sign a letter that will be sent to the ATF Director asking him to reconsider the plan. And Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) is pushing an Armor Piercing Bullets Act.

Many of the proposals would ban all AR-15 ammunition, relying on the old rubric of “cop-killer bullets”. By extension, almost every rifle caliber could be banned by the same faulty logic. And the Obama administration has another 22 months to work its phone and pen mischief. Gun rights advocates need to stay involved and active.

As Thomas Jefferson said; “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance of those sonsabritches.”

Rob-comment- 100 million sleeping gun owners.

John- Canadian Prime Minister Says Gun Laws Too Restrictive
Things might be getting better up there in America’s attic: Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said there are too many restrictions on gun ownership. He added that guns are something people use for recreation and the vast majority do so safely. They are important for the livelihoods of rural people, recreation and personal safety.

Harper was responding to questions about Bill C-42, the Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act. The act would curtail the discretionary authority of the Provinces’ chief firearms officers. “In some provinces, those firearms officers have exercised their authority in extremely arbitrary ways.” The legislation would also increase safety around the acquisition and use of firearms and deal with some of the bureaucracy and excessive red tape,” he said.

“We’ve brought in tough penalties for the criminal misuse of firearms,” Harper noted. “And I’m always amazed at our opponents who demand that we bring in … restrictions on law-abiding owners, but actually oppose us bringing in any penalties for people who actually commit crime using guns.”

It must be nice to have a rational chief executive.

Gary- Ohio Gun Laws Liberalized
Things are also getting better in the Buckeye State.

Ohio Governor John Kasich signed House Bill 234 into law. As of March 23rd, this bill amends a many of Ohio’s firearms laws and licensing regulations. Now, Ohioans with a concealed handgun license from another state will have that license recognized if that state has entered into a reciprocity agreement with Ohio. For new residents with a concealed handgun license from another state without a reciprocity agreement, the out-of-state license will be recognized in Ohio for six months. After that, the resident will need to obtain an Ohio CCW license.

Fortunately, the new law has also made it easier to get Ohio’s CCW license. The new law reduces the amount of training time for a CCW license from 12 to 8 hours – and removes the residency requirements. Additionally, if the requirements imposed by another state are “substantially comparable” to Ohio, the other state’s license will now be recognized.

Ohio’s definition of automatic firearms has also been changed and eliminates the de-facto ban on magazines capable of holding more than 31 cartridges. Also, Ohioans can now purchase a long gun from anywhere in the United States. Similarly, all non-Ohioans can now buy from the state’s dealers.

There is more. A detailed list of the firearm-related changes taking place in Ohio beginning March 23 can be found in our show notes. Also stay tuned for an upcoming intervew with Gary Slider of www.handgunlaw.us on an upcoming episode where we talk about these changes. (http://www.lsc.ohio.gov/analyses130/14-hb234-130.pdf.)

Congratulations Buckeyes!

Rob- Why are Gun Control Advocates So Violent?
Allegedly, anti-gun filmmaker, Skye Fitzgerald of Spin Films, attacked and hospitalized pro-gun YouTube videographer William Saunderson.

The two had met at a restaurant to discuss the unexpected anti-gun bias of Fitzgeralds’ Oregon Divided documentary, to which Saunderson had contributed. During that meeting, Fitzgerald became upset over the legal recording of the discussion. A small brawl ensued as Fitzgerald allegedly took two of Saunderson’s cameras. The fracas continued into the parking lot where Fitzgerald allegedly knocked Saunderson to the pavement, breaking his arm and shoulder. Fitzgerald then allegedly fled with the two cameras.

After taking time to Tweet about the altercation with several anti-gun Oregon politicians and a lobbyist for Michael Bloomberg, Fitzgerald turned himself in to police and was charged with several misdemeanors and a felony.

For whatever reason, there seem to be a common thread to the interactions over gun issues: gun-rights proponent facing irrational, emotional overwrought anti-gun activists. There have been too many instances where death threats, violence, illogic and emotion have issued from the anti-gunners. Fortunately, the pro-rights crowd has largely conducted themselves well.

Paul- Glock Single Stack 9mm
This coming Friday, Glock will hold a press conference at their US headquarters. The web is buzzing that Glock will finally announce their single stack micro 9mm. The long anticipated G43 is said to be just a few millimeters larger than the .380 G42, with the same 6+1 capacity.

The concealed carry market has demanded a 9mm pocket Glock for years. Even though they are very late to market, if Glock has used those years to perfect the little gun, they will have a world beater on their hands. Concealed carriers will be happily swamping the gun counters.

Full disclosure: Charlie Foxtrot has been a rabid Glock Fanboy since 1986

Gary- Here is our weekly Gun Quote. “If you think a theater filled with unarmed people against a lone gunman is scary, imagine a disarmed populace against a tyrannical government.”

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.
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Segment 3 Interviews

Reloading Podcast.
#1 What should someone know before they start reloading.
#2 Rifle reloading vs pistol reloading.

#3 what should I expect to pay for equipment. What about buying used?

#4 I have heard that you don’t save any money reloading, that in truth you just get to shoot more, true?

Melody Lauer
Melody Blogs at Limatunes’ Range Diaries – Where she records her opinions, trainings and the experiences of a wife, mother and woman with a gun. Melody decided she needed training if she was going to carry. Now she’s a firearms instructor. Her youtube channel has over a hundred videos. https://www.youtube.com/user/limalife/videos

Melody, you have three children and recently put on a training class for new parents called “Babywearing and Carrying” I saw the comments on your class and thought your experience was a litmus test of the right of self-defense. A lot of people who are not a new parent became experts on what you should do.

Melody, bring our listeners up to speed and tell them more about you..
Blogging for 9 years. Instructing for 7 years. Been a mom for 6 years. I put on the course I wanted to take about being a parent who carries. Let’s train for success.

We had a mix of moms and dads for our class.
Next course is on the 28th of March. Working on an armed parents seminar that would run 2 days.
What is the name of the range where you instruct? Crossroads shooting sports.
Where do you podcast?
Limatunes range diaries on facebook. https://www.facebook.com/LimatunesRangeDiary
Where do you blog? https://limatunesrangediaries.wordpress.com/

Segment 4 DGUs

John- Mother Defends her Daughter
A Newport News, Virginia mother used a gun to defend herself and her 2 year old daughter from a home invader. “I knew the cops would get there quickly, but maybe not get there quickly enough, and I wanted to be able to defend us.” She believes because she had a gun in her house, she and her toddler are safe today.

The woman didn’t hesitate to pull the trigger, thanks to trips to the gun range with her husband. He is a James City County police officer, and was on duty when a 25-year-old man broke a window and entered the home. The woman was on the phone with the 911 operator when the invader came at her, forcing her to shoot. The suspect was taken to an area hospital with possible life-threatening injuries. The woman and her daughter were not injured.

“Had I not been able to protect myself with the gun, I don’t know what he would have done to me,” she said. “I don’t know what he would have done to my daughter, there’s no telling, but I’ll never have to find out because I stopped the situation.”

Because of her courage, and her husband’s foresight, their little girl will grow up.

Video: Full interview with mother

Gary- California Dreamin’
A man defended four members of his family when a crazed white guy (their words) kicked in the door of their apartment and threatened them all with a shard of glass. The resident shot the intruder in both legs with one shot from a M1 Carbine, earning significant style points. The drug crazed man was found by police bleeding severely nearby. He was arrested and taken to the hospital.

During the investigation, the resident was questioned for an hour and then released. No charges are expected to be filed.

Even in crazy California, the cops can do the right thing when a resident also does the right thing.

Rob- Dallas Convenience Store Manager Shoots Two Armed Robbers
The night manager of a Dallas, Texas Stop ‘n’ Rob convenience store was forced to draw his concealed weapon and shoot two armed attackers when they assaulted an employee. One robber was shot in the arm, while the other was shot in the face. One is in serious condition, the other is critical.

Police say the shooting appears justified and the manager will not be charged.

Paul Home Invasion Leaves A Robber Dead, Homeowner Injured, and a Divided Community
A home invasion turned into a desperate fight for life, leaving an intruder dead, the homeowner critically injured, and a divided community.

In the rural Texas community of Teague, a trio of robbers kicked open a door an hour and a half after midnight. At least one of the invaders was armed, and shot the homeowner in the lower abdomen. Doug Hurst returned the fire, striking and mortally wounding one of his assailants. The criminal died in the home’s backyard, a semi-auto handgun nearby. His two accomplices ran, but were arrested within hours. Hurst is in critical condition, in a medically induced coma. The dead man’s accomplices have been charged with armed robbery, and may be charged with murder for the death of their partner, with another murder charge likely if Hurst dies from his wounds.

Disturbingly, friends and family members of deceased robber/ attempted murderer are defending him in the comments of a news article. The commentators dismiss the robbery as a bad decision or a bad choice, claiming that the felon didn’t deserve to die, and that people should be “respectful” in how they discuss him. Several have threaten people who disagree with them.

What can be said about a portion of society that no longer feels the stigma of a violent, armed invasion and attempted murder of an innocent man in his home? These are strange times indeed.

John- Woman Threatened With Dirty Needle
Things are also getting a little weird in Socastee, South Carolina. A woman at a drive-up ATM was assaulted by a man armed with a dirty hypodermic needle. The woman told police she pulled out her handgun and stuck it in the suspect’s face saying “I dare you to stab me!” The suspect didn’t dare and ran off. The woman called 911 and tried to follow the would-be robber, but lost him.

Although very long on moxie, the woman was apparently a little short on situational awareness, as surveillance cameras recorded the man lurking as she drove up. Still, kudos to her for her courage and spirit.
Gary- Homeowner and Police Shoot at Home Invaders
Police and a homeowner returned fire when two break-in bandits fired at a policeman.

A Brentwood, Florida homeowner was called at work by his two teenage children frightened by men knocking and ringing the doorbell. While the kids were on the phone the men broke open the door. The father arrived at the house at the same time as the first responding officer. They went to opposite sides of the home. The police officer confronted a robber coming out of a window, who ignored the cop’s Taser and ran into the backyard. The robber then shot at the officer, who returned fire with his sidearm. The homeowner also fired his gun.

Arriving backup found the resident and a neighbor holding a wounded suspect at gunpoint. Precisely who shot the bad guy is not known at this time. The robber’s accomplice is still at large.

It’s likely the two robbers were the ones that stole guns from the same house the day before. In the strange world of thieves, they often return to the scene of a previous crime, seeking a comfortable familiarity, an aura of a past success, and regretting the items they were forced to leave behind the first time.

Rob- Woman Shoots at Three Home Invaders
A woman defended her life by shooting at three invaders in her home on the mean streets of Detroit’s East Side. A wounded suspect is in custody and police are seeking the other two. Neighbors were very supportive, with one prior victim hoping that more people would fight back against the criminals.

Detroit police say the woman is cooperating with detectives.

Paul – Armed Robber Corralled by Wrestling Star’s Husband
And finally in the feel good story of the week; a punk was robbing a Chicago eatery when he found out the hard way a patron was a former bouncer and the husband of a World Wrestling Entertainment performer. Lee Varon grabbed the hapless robber from behind. Varon held the robber off the ground for several moments before disarming him and then body slamming him to the ground. There, he held the struggling perpetrator until police finally arrived to take him into custody.

The only possible way it could have been better is if there were a couple of deadfalls and a pile-driver or two.

As Varon’s wife, WWE star Victoria said; “I think that guy crossed the wrong person.”

Rob- comment- My friends are bouncers. They are trained not to punch if they can avoid it. Varon had situational awareness that the gunman was behaving erratically.

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John- Listener e-mail discussion

Hi guys

I Drive a tractor trailer for United Parcel Service. I’m fortunate to get many hours a day to listen to podcasts Yours is one of my favorite podcasts.
I’m going to be a little bit selfish here and make a request. Is it possible for Rob and John when they talk about their blogs to mention the web address or even include the links in the podcast description?

Happy podcasting,
Robert
Hudson Valley New York

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Gary- Hello,

I enjoy listening to your show. Thank you for everything you put into the podcast.

Your summary of the current national reciprocity bills stated that for two of them, the concealed carrier must have a license from his or her home state, or otherwise be allowed to carry in their home state without one. I don’t believe this is accurate.

All four bills, as I read them, would allow someone with a non-resident license or permit to carry in any state other than his or her resident state. So a NJ resident, for instance, with only a FL license, could carry anywhere in the nation except his/her home state of NJ.

Of course, all bills leverage the commerce clause and assume the person is carrying a firearm that has been involved in foreign or interstate commerce.

There are minor variations between them. A couple of the bills allow residents of states that can carry legally in their home state without a license (such as VT), to carry elsewhere as well, without the need to obtain a license.
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For example, S.498 says the following:

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(1) an individual who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the individual to carry a concealed firearm, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce in any State other than the State of residence of the individual that–
“(A) has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms; or
“(B) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes; and
“(2) an individual who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and is entitled and not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm in the State in which the individual resides otherwise than as described in paragraph (1), may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce in any State other than the State of residence of the individual that–
“(A) has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms; or
“(B) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes.

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A key phrase in S.498, which is mirrored in the others, is this: “…and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the individual to carry a concealed firearm…” The text refers to “a State,” not “the State of residence.” This phraseology is used in all four bills.

You’ll also note that in the bill quoted above:

– Conditions specified in paragraph 1 would qualify an IL resident with a CCL or a NJ resident with only a FL license, for example, to carry in other states. (The NJ resident would still likely be unable to carry within NJ since licenses there are practically non-existent.) This is consistent throughout all four bills.

– Conditions specified in paragraph 2 would qualify a VT or AK resident without any carry license, for example, to carry in other states, as long as they aren’t otherwise prohibited. This provision is included in S.498 and H.R.923, but not in H.R.986 nor in H.R.402.

If my interpretation is incorrect, please let me know.

Thank you,

Kevin Culp
(from Illinois)

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
I wrote an article about why the ATF backed down when they tried to ban rifle ammunition. They are afraid of waking up america’s gun owners. Let’s face it. Gun owners have been politically asleep for the last 20 years. There are 100 million of us. Even in California, gun owners could determine all statewide offices. The article is up at my blog at slowfacts.wordpress.com. All of my firearms articles are also at Ammoland. If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you’ll see me as a regular contributor.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I’d like to mention a comment of the day post featuring something by Hershel Smith of the Captain’s Journal. He said, “Here’s a warning flag to all the Elmer Fudds out there who only care about your bolt action hunting rifles, and think this stuff about AR-15s is all just a bunch of made up theater to bother pampered folk like you. They want your rifles and ammunition too. You do understand that, don’t you?” We really need to remember this is about all of us – Gun Culture 1.0 and Gun Culture 2.0, hunters and non-hunters alike, if we don’t stick together, we’ll hang together. This post and others are up at onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com

Paul:
Melody Lauer contacted us and asked us to promote a contest she is running. Take a firearms safety course, be entered to win a FREE quick-access safe. She is giving away a gun safe if participants get four hours of training.
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That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Melody-? and ?
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(Guests) for joining us today.

co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it.

Next week, Sanda Muldoon and Sherry Spivak of the New Jersey Second Amendment women will join us. So will George Hill. Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 317 – Kathy Jackson

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News Segment 1: BHO on Gun Control – Again, Legislators Protesting Obama Administration’s Attempt to Ban M855, Disarmed Concealed Permit Holder Testifies about Being Raped on Gun-Free Campus, West Virginia Senate Votes For Constitutional Carry, Slate’s Braindead Support of Gun Sale Background Checks,  Record Handgun Sales In California : http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/317.2.mp3 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”+

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday March 8th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop and on tonights show we will talk with Kathy Jackson about holsters and gun retention.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about President Obama’s visit where he said buying a gun was easier than buying fresh vegetables.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our defensive gun use stories, a man prevented his neighbor’s kidnapping.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also cover a couple who were denied being foster parents in Nevada because they had carry permits, so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 317 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I was the great enabler when I took a friend gun shopping and shooting.  She is looking for carry guns.  I brought a friend along when we shot an IDPA match.  I learned about a gun jamming because I shoved the gun into a port rather than shooting through the port.  My article on campus carry came out on Friday.  I went to a gun store and lined up some interviews.  (Don’t the rest of you wish you could go to the gun store and say it was for work!)

 

John – I worked the booth yesterday for Grass Roots North Carolina at the Asheville Knife and Gun Show. We got a number of people to sign our petition to the General Assembly to do away with the Jim Crow-era Pistol Purchase Permit system, to put teeth into our state preemption law similar to Florida, and to require sheriffs to issue carry permits to those with long ago minor infractions or behavioral issues.  As to the gun show itself, I came home with a couple of boxes of ammo and a couple of surplus M-16 stripper clip bandoliers.

 

Paul- working a TON on classes coming up in Sioux Falls and editing some stuff that will be heard here and elsewhere soon.  Daylight savings time fallacy. 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

Beyond Concealed Carry May 16-17th in Sioux Falls with Bob Mayne and Ben Branam advanced handgun training. What your concealed class didn’t teach you. www.handgunworld.com

Cornered Cat with Kathy Jackson Aug 15th and 16th co-ed class. For registration info contact Susan@politicsandguns.com

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Seg 2- News

 

BHO on Gun Control – Again (The opening sentence is a bit strong here) (Dang, kinda liked it. We can eliminate the bold section if you want. I’d also push this item into the center of the news. – Dan)

(can we not vomit- Rob)

Obama is never far from his gun control efforts. In a South Carolina college meeting, Obama again simplistically blamed guns for violence. He claimed that in some neighborhoods it is easier to buy a handgun and clips (sic) than it is to buy a book or a fresh vegetable. In reality, this observation speaks to the neighborhoods themselves and to a man that has probably not bought a gun or book in a long time. And that the vegetable he knows best is Joe Biden.

 

Comment – John – I found it interesting that in his first visit as president to South Carolina, he chose Benedict College where he knew he’d get a friendly reception rather than someplace like the University of South Carolina, Clemson, or The Citadel.

 

Rob- It is easier for a vegetable to be elected to public office than it is for a vegetable to buy a gun.. at least in California.

 

 

Legislators Protesting Obama Administration’s Attempt to Ban M855

The Obama administration’s attempt to ban the popular, inexpensive M855 ammunition is gathering significant resistance on Capitol Hill. In just a short time, fifty-five percent of the House lawmakers, including seven Democrats, have signed a letter objecting the the proposed ban. The letter urges the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF)  to abandon the attack on a bullet commonly used in AR-15 rifles.

 

This follows the introduction last week of the Protecting Second Amendment Rights Act from Rep. Tom Rooney (R-Fla.) that would roll back the ATF’s power to regulate ammunition.

 

Disarmed Concealed Permit Holder Testifies about Being Raped on Gun-Free Campus

Gun control makes the vulnerable more vulnerable. Women are among the top beneficiaries of concealed carry laws. Where gun control is stringent, crimes against women rise. This should be obvious, even to politicians.

Rape victim Amanda Collins believes having her gun could have made a difference, and she wants Nevada lawmakers to legalize campus carry for the sake of the women on campuses now. Collins told lawmakers about the moment her attacker closed in on her in a campus parking garage. “Out of the corner of my eye I could see the university police cruisers parked across the way, and in that same moment I knew that the university police offices had already closed. I knew no one was coming to help me.”

 

Assemblywoman Michele Fiore (R-Clark) is sponsoring campus carry legislation. Her bill–AB148–is co-sponsored by 18 additional Assembly Republicans.

 

Rob- There is a great video of Assemblywoman Fiore and John Lott testifying before the Nevada Senate.  The anti-gun Senators would ask a hypothetical question, like..  Isn’t it possible that a student could get drunk and carry a gun to class.  That seems dangerous to me and isn’t that what you’re advocating?  And Doctor Lott said.  ‘They don’t.  Your students could do that now, but they don’t.  They could get drunk across the street from the college while they carry, and they don’t.  We’ve looked, and concealed carry holders don’t do that.’

 

West Virginia Senate Votes For Constitutional Carry

West Virginia senators voted 32-2 in favor of a bill to eliminate the license requirement for concealed carry. Besides rescinding the permit requirement, the bill sets the age of legal concealed carry at 18 years, not 21.

 

Senators also defeated an amendment requiring a handgun safety course before carrying. The amendment was successfully opposed as a backdoor licensing scheme.

 

There was no word about any Virginian firearms liberalization.

 

 

Slate’s Braindead Support of Gun Sale Background Checks

Gabby Giffords joined Democrat lawmakers on Capitol Hill to push for background checks at gun shows as a way of stopping violence. Naturally, the NRA pointed out that Giffords’ attacker had passed the same type of background check to acquire the firearm he used to injure her. Breitbart News further showed that Giffords’ attacker wasn’t an aberration, many other killers had easily passed their background checks. Even with hundreds of millions of dollars of expenditures and the restrictions of rights of millions of gun owners, background checks were incapable of preventing these tragedies.

 

Pointing out these inconvenient truths was too much for Slate magazine. They claimed that mentioning these things was a new low and an attempt to taunt a victim of gun violence. As if political correctness should trump the open discussion of the harsh failures of the background check schemes. Perhaps Slate should check themselves for brain damage.

 

Comment – John – That same Slate writer thinks moving St. Louis to Illinois would solve its crime problem given the gun laws of Illinois. All I can say is that whenever I’m near East St. Louis, Illinois, I want to get past it as quickly as possible.

 

Record Handgun Sales In California

Handgun sales shot to a new California record in 2014, far exceeding the 1993 high of 433,000. 1993 was the time violent crime peaked in the state. Gun sales have increased dramatically nationwide and in California during the last few years following calls for more gun control. Due to California’s draconian and unworkable gun laws, many handguns are falling off the state’s Not Unsafe Handgun List and will not be available for dealer sale. California’s handgun buyers must buy now, or lose the opportunity to exercise their rights in the near future.

 

I mentioned that I took a friend shopping yesterday for a carry gun.  Some of the off roster guns are only available through person to person sales.  You still use an FFL, but the gun store can’t carry the new guns.

 

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Reciprocity in the senate and the House

You can do something for the right of self-defense. National reciprocity bills are in the Senate and the House.  Call your Senator or congress-critter and ask them to co-sponsor these bills.

 

  1. 498 – Introduced by U.S. Senator John Cornyn (R-Texas), this legislation would respect the rights of individuals who possess concealed carry permits from their home state, or who are not prohibited from carrying concealed in their home state, to exercise those rights in any other state that does not prohibit concealed carry.  This bill currently has 20 cosponsors.

(Go around the table and call out our legislators-)

Rob- no chance with my California senators boxer and feinstein

 

H.R. 923 – Introduced by U.S. Representative Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.), this legislation is the House companion bill to S. 498.  The legislation would also respect the rights of individuals who possess concealed carry permits from their home state, or who are not prohibited from carrying concealed in their home state, to exercise those rights in any other state that does not prohibit concealed carry.  This bill currently has 12 cosponsors.

Rob- Issa isn’t a co-sponsor yet.

 

H.R. 986 – Introduced by U.S. Representative Richard Hudson (R-N.C.), this bill would allow any person with a valid carry permit or license issued by a state to carry a concealed firearm in any other state that does not prohibit concealed carry.  This bill would also provide legal protection for law-abiding concealed carry permit holders against states that violate the intent of this bill.  This bill currently has 104 cosponsors.

Rob- no Issa again.

 

H.R. 402 – Introduced by U.S. Representative Rich Nugent (R-Fla.), this bill would allow any person with a valid carry permit or license issued by a state to carry a concealed firearm in any other state that does not prohibit concealed carry.  The bill currently has 76 cosponsors.

Rob- Again, no Darrell Issa.

 

Application to be foster parents denied due to CCW permits

Brian and Valerie Wilson want to become foster parents in Nevada. They are also both concealed carry permits holders. Because of this, the Nevada Department of Child and Family Services denied their application. An unnamed spokesperson for the department said they were denied because of concerns that a child could access the firearm and ammunition. The department’s regulations require that guns and ammunition be stored in separate, secure containers in any home where foster children reside.

 

Fortunately, there is hope for the Wilsons and other would be foster parents. They testified before the Nevada Assembly Judiciary Committee in support of a bill that would allow them to carry loaded firearms and to be foster parents. The bill is AB167 sponsored by Rep. Michelle Fiore (R-Las Vegas). As might be expected, bureaucrats at the Nevada Dept of Child and Family Services and at the Clark County Family Services are against the proposal.

 

rob- I was a foster parent.. and there many crazy concerns.

 

Gun Quotes The gun Quote for this episode comes from Miguel Gonzalez of the Gun Free Zone Blog. Yesterday he posted

 

 

Go Miggy!

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interviews.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Kathy Jackson- Kathy is a frequent guest and is the owner of Cornered Cat. Author of The Cornered Cat – A Woman’s Guide to Concealed Carry and world class firearms instructor.

 

We asked listeners to submit questions for Kathy,

 

Rachell Harris:  Exciting!!! Here are two questions…

 

  1. What does she think about using a .380 gun carried with hollow points for self defense, instead of bigger calibers. I currently have a s&w bodyguard 380.

 

  1. What do you think about bra clam shell holsters, like the flashbang?

 

Thanks! Love your book, Facebook posts and blog. Appreciate you making your book into an audiobook, thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Carrying with a round in the chamber – (Again, please feel free to re-word this) I am hoping that you will agree with me that I would rather someone carry with an empty chamber than not carry at all, and to anyone who has a loved one that doesn’t carry with a round in the chamber I would encourage them not to apply too much pressure to get the new person to do something that they don’t feel safe doing. Kathy, are there any exercises or other recommendations that you have to help make someone who is unfamiliar with carrying more comfortable with carrying with a round in the chamber?

 

Handgun retention. (if someone wants to re-word this feel free) Kathy, I am hoping that you can talk a little bit about Handgun retention training.  I look at retention training like this. We carry guns in case something bad happens where we need to use deadly force to protect ourselves or our loved ones. This is something that actually has a statistically small chance of happening.  I have seen people online make comments to the effect of “if you let them get close enough to take your gun you already screwed up” Can you speak a little bit about handgun retention training and why it is so critical to get that training?

 

Facebook post (training costs a lot of money)

 

Rob- Kathy, I noticed that I tend to shoot to the left when I grip strongly with my right hand.  My aim straightens out when I ease my grip with the right hand and balance it with more grip from my left hand.  Is that a common problem, and a good solution?

 

Rob- Let’s extend the caliber wars to include training.  Do you like to start new students with a 22?

 

Rob- Do you like laser training pistols?  I’ve had instructors say they only want to use real guns.  Real guns help teach respect.  Other instructors say they like to use laser pistols because they can teach a student to move earlier in their training.

 

To get info on the class in April that Kathy was talking about email: aslevans@gmail.com

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Denied a Restraining Order, Woman is Forced to Shoot Stalker

An Altoona, Florida woman says she was forced to open fire on an ex-boyfriend who was trying to break into her home.  The Lake County (FL) Sheriff’s Office documented her accusations that the boyfriend had been stalking and harassing her.

The homeowner had been complaining to authorities for months about the actions of her ex-boyfriend. She told a judge that she felt like a “prisoner” in her own home. However, the judge denied her petition for an injunction, saying she had failed to prove her case and that the stalking complaints needed to be handled by deputies.

Without that meaningless piece of paper, the woman was helpless in face of that dangerous threat. Except — she had a gun.

 

rob- the cops did all they could.. they filled out a piece of paper for her.  The rest was up to her.

 

Stalking Ex’s Not Limited To Florida

Early Wednesday morning, an Indianapolis woman was forced to shoot Anthony Santura Smith, 34, her ex-boyfriend, after he kicked in her apartment door. She and her two young children were asleep at the time. Neither she nor the kids were harmed but her ex-boyfriend was killed. While the woman did not have a protective order against Smith, there had been earlier incidents of domestic violence with the police involved. Police investigators say they are pretty confident that this is a case of self-defense.

 

Neighbor saves kidnapping victim; ‘He probably would have killed her’
The owner of a local security firm saved a kidnap and rape victim after she escaped from her assailant. He essentially stared down the suspect while calling 911 for help.

 

Fred Edwards owns Knight Vision Security.  He was at home in his apartment getting ready to go to a community meeting.  As usual, his sidearm was strapped to his hip.  That is when the kidnap victim began banging on his apartment door.  Edwards talked to the badly beaten woman outside his apartment and he immediately called 911. The kidnapper, Craig Lazon, then pulled up in the victim’s SUV.  Fred Edwards said. “He looked at me. I didn’t know what he was going to do, so I held on to my sidearm without taking it out of the holster.  I told her, ‘Don’t worry.’”

 

Lazon got back in the vehicle and drove away. Police later arrested him at a motel.  Prosecutors charged Craig Lazon, 37, of Albany, Oregon with attempted murder.  While on a week long meth binge, he tied up his wife, repeatedly beating, raping and sexually assaulting her.  Lazon left their apartment telling his wife he was making preparations to drown her. Fortunately, she escaped.

 

Here’s another example where a firearm didn’t need to be fired, or even aimed, to save a life.

 

Home invasions can be deadly for both sides.

 

Jerry Jamison, 41, was at his Oklahoma City home with his three kids on Thursday afternoon. Russell Emmerling and David Cox knocked on the door which was answered by two of the Jamison kids. The home invaders then forced their way into the Jamison home. Emmerling, 21, pulled a gun and demanded money. During the struggle that ensued, Emmerling shot Jamison three times in front of his three kids. Jamison somehow was able to get control of the gun despite his wounds and shot Cox. Both Jamison and Cox were transported to OU Medical Center where Jamison died during surgery and Cox is in serious condition.

 

Emmerling escaped in a getaway car but later turned himself into police where he has been charged with 1st Deg. Murder. Police are still seeking the getaway driver. A GoFundMe page has been set up for the Jamison children as Jerry Jamison was a single father and their sole support.

 

Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

 

The first email is from Tony,

Paul,

I would like to thank you for announcing the Black History Month Diversity Shoot on your podcast, it was a success. We introduced some new shooters to the sport and informed them of the minefield that is gun ownership in New Jersey. I am hosting another event in April, could you announce this one also? It is open to anyone that wants to shoot and learn how to fight the anti-civil rights zealots. Could you post my event on your Facebook page so people can let me know they are attending? Thank you again for your help.

The following is the announcement:

 

I am hosting the second Pro Second amendment Diversity Shoot at Gun For Hire range located in Woodland Park NJ on April 16th starting at 6:30 pm. The 50 yard indoor range will be reserved for a group of twenty participants to shoot from 7pm – 9pm. Range fees are $25 per hour.

This event is to raise the awareness of non-stereotypical firearms enthusiast to the difference they can make in New Jersey’s political scene. This event is open to all people that are pro-2A, we can only win against the gun-control zealots if we are united.

I will be there with Sean Fisher from Black Bag Resources to hand out literature and answer questions about joining the NRA, NJ2AS or ANJRPC. He and I have been or are members of all three.

The range charges $25 an hour to shoot and they have everything you need to have a great time. They have rental guns, ammo, targets, safety equipment plus range officers to help insure a safe environment for everyone. Rental and ammo are an addition fee.

Only twenty people can participate in this event due to the size of the range and safety officers available so sign up quickly.

I would like to thank Anthony Colandro from Gun For Hire for all of his help. I also want to thank Sean from Black Bag Resources.

Thank you,

Tony Simon

Simon Says Train

Simonsaystraining@yahoo.com

 

Ken in Phoenix sends the next one in,

 

Paul,

Very interesting topics when your podcast wanders sometimes. This week it was truck mirrors, ( I used to drive), Star Trek, (a fan for 50 years ), and trumpet music (I played in high school). I could relate to Grant’s comments about how old trumpets don’t work today. My trumpet was indeed from the “old days”. It was made before A440 was adopted in 1926. But, my parents got a great deal on it, not knowing there was a difference. The problem was, it could never be tuned to match the rest of the trumpet section.  I was relegated to 3rd chair, even though I was the best double and triple-tonguer of the lot!

Always enjoy the diversions from the main topics, be it trucks, trumpets, doggies, or Trek.

Ken S.
Phoenix, AZ
Always a full-show downloader
and TWIG is my second-favorite 2A podcast

PS Don’t worry about “everything on the internet not being true”. With ObamaNet, it will be regulated into “all truth, all the time”.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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