Episode 336 – A Florida Police Chief Says Women Shouldn’t Carry

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded 28 june 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Carl Chinn about physical security in churches.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty we will hear from Dan Roberts about the drive to recall New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

Paul: and hang on!  Episode 336 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Went to the range and practiced.  Spoke on Lock and Load radio with Bill Frady on Friday.  Mentored a student at a first shots course for medical professionals.  That taught me a few new tricks.  My browning 22 pistol eats federal but not American Eagle.. which are made by the same company.

My Florida carry permit came in the mail.

 

Gary – Ordered Sherry’s Concealment Solutions holster and we did some reloading practice with speed loaders.

 

Paul – Did some more looking at campers this morning. not much gun related. been absorbing the news of the week.  Looking at ordering a new belt for Susan to use at the Kathy Jackson class.

 

Rob- Did you consider Jason’s belts?

 

There are 2 things that I want to address before we go off into the news segment, although they both are technically news that relate to guns.

 

First is the statement by the pope that came out just about the time we were supposed to go to air last week and so we weren’t able to properly vett the story to make sure that it was a real story.  It was a real story.

 

I was born and raised in the Catholic church. I now consider myself a Christian not connected to any particular church. I believe in the bible and not what people have inserted as “doctrine”  I would like to read some of the pope’s comments as reported on Ammoland.com

 

Pope Francis spoke with a group of young people at a rally of thousands at the end of the first day of his trip to the Italian city of Turin.

Francis started by attacking the Right to Keep and Bear Arms as well as accusing the allies during World War Two of being complicit in the killing of Jews, Christians and homosexuals.

Francis issued his toughest condemnation to date of the weapons industry, saying.

“If you trust only men you have lost,” he told the young people in a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics after putting aside his prepared address.

“It makes me think of … people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn’t it?” he said to applause.

He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries (gun owners), saying “duplicity is the currency of today … they say one thing and do another.”

Francis also built on comments he has made in the past about events during the first and second world wars.

He spoke of the “tragedy of the Shoah,” using the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.

“The great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn’t they bomb (the railway lines)? (end of ammoland story)

 

There is something that I believe his holiness has forgotten, that evil does exist in the world. Edmund Burke is quoted as saying “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” The pope seems to be like the liberals who are at work right here in America, he thinks that if we click our heels three time and say there is no place like home that everything will be alright.

Ladies and gentlemen, everything will not be alright. American, and indeed world history is replete with examples of disarmament leads to slavery or even worse death.

 

I am sorry that a man (and the pope is a man) is in charge of the catholic church that I grew up in and had a great deal of respect for. Popes are supposed to serve a lifetime, I will never wish ill on any human, however I can only hope that this man decides like his predecessor that the papacy is too much for him and retire early. I would like to say to my fellow Christians to pray like it depends on God and prepare like it depends on you.

 

The armory of the Swiss Guard who protect the Vatican.

 

Secondly there was a major ruling from the Supreme court late in the week that proclaimed through the 14th amendment that all states must allow gay marriage. What does this have to do with guns? Well there are many that are saying that with the language in the ruling that the 14th amendment would also require a concealed carry permit issued in one state to be accepted by all. And I have to say that there are strong arguments for this. I would like to caution our listeners strongly, that right now that is a THEORY, not tested in court. I will not be the test case, I encourage you not to as well. The SAF is tuning up right now to introduce lawsuits to that effect.

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Seg 2- News

 

Police chief advocates civilian disarmament in Saint Petersburg, Florida.

Two Tampa Bay Florida real estate agents were robbed at gunpoint this month.  One was shackled at her hands and feet while the attacker made ransom demands to the victim’s husband.  Police admit that agents have a dangerous job.  St. Petersburg police Chief Tony Holloway said real estate agents, particularly women, should not arm themselves because the criminal would only take their gun and use it against them.

 

Paul- Wait a minute.  Female agents are the same as any other women in their ability to defend themselves.

 

Rob- Maybe Florida laws are different.  I have a Florida carry license instructor to talk with us.

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Dramatic Rise in Crime After UK Ban Guns

The blog Extrano’s Alley has an interesting analysis of the increase in violent crime after the UK’s total ban on handguns and severe restriction on all other firearms. The ban was a knee-jerk reaction to their Dunblane massacre. It is certainly interesting reading in light of the efforts attempting to capitalize on the Charleston tragedy. The link can be found in our show notes.

 

NY State Residents Disobeying Cuomo’s Registration Scheme

“One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”  From his cell in the Birmingham jail, Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote those words that are being taken to heart by New York State residents. Only 24 thousand of New York State’s 20 million residents have registered their so-called assault weapons since Cuomo’s SAFE act took effect in 2013. Less than 45 thousand rifles have been registered. Law enforcement estimates there are 1 million assault weapons in the state. The citizens are engaging in civil disobedience even though failure to register is a felony, punishable by up to four years in prison.

 

Cuomo rammed his SAFE Act though the legislature weeks after the Sandy Hook tragedy. The act was an anti-gun activist’s dream: a ban on high-capacity magazines, universal background checks, stolen gun reporting, safe storage, mental health provisions, warrantless firearm seizures, ammunition sales checks, as well as the key registration requirement. Tellingly, NONE of the provisions, even if followed exactly by the madman, would have prevented the shooting at Sandy Hook.

 

“Many people have been calling for a full repeal of the SAFE Act. It would appear the people have just bypassed the legislature and simply repealed it on their own,” said Tom King, of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association. Communities and LEOs outside of New York City seem to be ignoring or openly challenging the Governor’s draconian law.

While we cannot tell New York’s residents to resist this unjust law – that would be illeeeeeeegal – we can certainly applaud the State’s residents who are adhering to Thomas Jefferson’s words; “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”

 

Rob- 950 THOUSAND New York gun owners told the Governor to shove it.  Cuomo is only the Governor of Albany and New York city, but not the rest of the state.

 
More Anti-Gun Stupidity

Leading Democrat adviser Bob Shrum led with his tongue when he opined that the Emanuel shooting would have been a “horror” if the black parishioners were armed. On MSNBC’s The Ed Show, Shrum said QUOTE “I cannot imagine the horror that could have occurred if people were sitting around with concealed weapons, this thing started, and you have a full-scale gunfight.” END QUOTE

The mind boggles. Experience shows that resisting a madman significantly decreases the death toll. Even if unsuccessful, the nine still would have died. And the concealed carrier would have died on their feet, rather than on their knees.

Taking Shrum at his word, the advisor to Teddy Kennedy, Carter, Gore and Kerry would rather see the parishioners completely disarmed, defenseless and good little victims, rather than fighting for their lives. As insane as this sounds, this IS one of the anti’s core beliefs. They believe that it is somehow morally preferable to be the victim, rather than acting in self-defense. As rational beings, we absolutely reject this dehumanizing belief.

 

Rob- Gun prohibition is a superstition, and the anti-rights advocates live in a fantasy world.

Bill to Restrict Home Assembled Firearms Proposed
Another in our Cavalcade of Legislative Stupidity, this one somehow not authored by Carolyn Maloney, is the Home-Assembled Firearms Restriction Act of 2015. This bill would prohibit of the sale of certain firearm receiver castings or blanks, assault weapon parts kits, and machine gun parts kits (what?) and prohibit the marketing of the items on any medium of electronic communications. The parts would be banned as hazardous products under the Consumer Product Safety Act. Enforcement would come via the Federal Trade Commission. It would eliminate the home hobbyist who assembles a completely legal firearm out of commercially available parts.

The bill mentions semi-automatic rifles and semi-automatic pistols, and is an unique thrust in the effort to disarm Americans. Our response should be the same. However, the amount of tar and feathers involved would certainly be an environmental disaster.  HR- 376

 

Collectible Firearms Protection Act.

Not all legislation sinks to the level of Carolyn Maloney or Mario Cuomo. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) recently introduced H.R. 2611, the “Collectible Firearms Protection Act.” This bill would reverse the Obama/ Kerry State Department’s decision blocking the reimportation of M1 Garands and M1 Carbines from South Korea. The completely legal firearms would then be sold commercially to the American people. The Obama administration also opposes legislation to allow the CMP to sell the Army’s excess 1911s. All these firearms were paid for by the American taxpayer, and we would like to remind our rulers that we own them.

You can contact your U.S. Representative to support this legislation by using the NRA/ILA’s  “Write Your Lawmakers” tool or calling (202) 224-3121.  You can also register your opinion at Popvox.com

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker To Sign Two Bills Expanding Gun Rights

In a clear victory for gun-rights advocates, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker signed bills to eliminate the state’s 48-hour waiting period for gun purchases and to allow off-duty police officers to carry concealed weapons on public school grounds.

Congratulations Cheese-Heads!

Rob-  Let me get this right.  The school staff would call the police if the school was attacked.  They call the police because the police carry guns and could stop the attack.  Somehow, this bill was considered a great act of political courage to allow the police to carry their guns in school before the attack?  This is not a moment for congratulations but for shame.  I want to find the idiot politician who told the police they could not go armed in our public schools.

No guns in Post Office parking lots

(Denver, Colorado) – In yet another decision that thumbs its nose at the Supreme Court’s landmark D.C. v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago rulings, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals held today that the Second Amendment does not protect gun rights outside of one’s home. The case, Bonidy v. United States Postal Service, challenged the statute (39 C.F.R. § 232.1(l),) which prohibits the storage and carriage of firearms on USPS property. The district court decision found that the law was unconstitutional as applied to its prohibition on guns in parking lots, but not the ban on carry inside government buildings.

 

Gary – As I was reading this my thought was what about the people that are walking to all prohibited locations. Don’t they have the right to self-defense?

 

Gun Quotes  No Kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. James Burgh

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Grant Cunningham- http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/miss-police-open-carry-laws-kept-us-from-arresting-shotgun-toting-man-who-terrorized-walmart-shoppers/?utm_content=buffer62f47&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

http://www.wxxv25.com/news/local/story/Gulfport-Police-Arrest-Two-Men-in-Walmart/OpGpr3m360eVCbs98-AZ9w.cspx

 

“The possession, carrying and use of firearms require not only training and skill, but intelligence and responsibility. When persons act with deficiency in intelligence and responsibility, it can be both dangerous and unlawful.” Police Chief Leonard Papania of Gulfport, MS said.

 

Doug Ritter–  http://kniferights.org/ at 4 central time

Doug Ritter is Chairman and Executive Director of knife rights.  Welcome back to the show, Doug.  Knife rights are never safe when the legislature is in session.  You’ve had some wonderful successes this year.  Please tell our listeners about them.

Maine, Nevada, Oklahoma, Texas pre-emption.

 

Knife with a CCW, so you could carry a gun.. but not a knife in Illinois?

 

Work to do in New York, even when republicans did not support a pro-knife bill.  Massachusetts, New Jersey,

 

What do you think of Evan Nappen’s book.

 

Carl Chinnhttp://www.carlchinn.com/ at 4:30 central time.

You’ve studied violence in Churches.  You were on the scene for a violent attack in the lobby of Focus on the Family.  You also were working at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs when it was attacked.  Since then you’ve kept an exhaustive list of violent attacks that occur on church property.

 

Tell us about the path a church takes to address physical security.  What are the steps to success?  I’m guessing the subject gets brought to the church board or leadership team.  What happens next?

 

Is an active defense similar to concerns the church already faces such as medical first responders and physical security?

The church leadership gathers information to understand the problem?

They select staff to address it?

Staff brings them a proposal?

Outside training?

On site training?

Ongoing recruitment?

What does the church have to do to succeed long term?

 

I was at a large local church, and to put one security person behind each gathering would take 20 volunteers.  What about the men’s group that meets mid week?  The new mom’s group?  A successful church is filled with life all the time.  That means you need volunteers from every group.

 

We’ve had almost a thousand attacks on churches in the last 5 years.  To me that is a wake up call.  Talk about the pastors and leadership teams who won’t address security.  What excuses do they use to justify inaction?

 

Why do security teams fail long term?

 

Dan Roberts-

New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney faces a well deserved recall drive that started yesterday.  An hour after the New Jersey Second Amendment Society announced where they would rally to start the recall, the venue owner called them up and cancelled on them.  They had that venue and date reserved for the last two months.  Several other venues refused the group fearing political retribution from the democrat controlled bureaucrats.

 

350 people showed up to collect signatures.  It was raining on the signature gatherers as they went house to house.  Many homes were empty  since the power has been out in some areas for several days.  Surprisingly, some union members and government employees were eager to sign the recall while anyone who needed a permit to operate their business refused to sign.  About a quarter of the people on the list signed the petition to recall Senator Sweeney.

 

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”  and New Jersey citizens are afraid of their government.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Domino’s Driver Shoots Assailant  
Just after midnight, a Hollywood, Florida Domino’s driver was forced to defend his life with a firearm. Two men attacked the driver in a robbery attempt. The driver pulled his gun and fired six shots at the men, killing one of them. Breitbart News reports that at least eight Domino’s drivers had been shot–three of those killed–since the start of 2012. Many more have been assaulted, kidnapped or raped.

Domino’s Pizza will not comment on the ongoing investigation. Domino’s continues their policy of barring drivers from being armed for self-defense. We continue to feel there are other pizza restaurants.

Benihana Shoot-Out
The North Dallas Benihana’s parking lot was the scene of an armed robbery and  shootout this week. Two people were leaving the upscale Japanese restaurant when they were approached by a man asking for a lighter. The man then slipped on a mask and pulled a gun from his waistband. A victim retrieved his firearm from his vehicle and six to eight shots were exchanged. The robber was pronounced dead at an area hospital, the victim is in stable condition.

Both men were young black males. It is not known if this was a targeted crime or random. Police are focusing on a white Camaro in the parking lot, found with a handgun nearby. Neither police nor Benihana employees are forthcoming. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Homeowner Shoot Armed Car Burglar
A Milwaukee, Wisconsin man was forced to shoot a car burglar in self defense.  The man challenged a thief burglarizing his car. The thief pulled a gun and the  car owner pulled one right back and shot. The thief ran away and was arrested in an area hospital. The DA will decide if charges will be pressed against the car owner.

Police Arrive to Find a Hog-Tied Suspect
While not strictly a DGU, the following shows that we are the weapon, the gun – or a vase – are the tools.

A Kenosha, Wisconsin man heard “that noise” very early in the morning. He found a man climbing through an upstairs window, who asked the home-owner if he wanted his grass cut. Justifiably outraged at the aggressive sales tactic, the homeowner brained the door-to-door salesman with a nearby vase. Police arrived to find the man hog-tied with a garden hose. The twenty-two year old is charged with burglary, theft and disorderly conduct. He is also the suspect in a recent string of local burglaries.

While we never want to be in a self-defense situation, the ability to smack a pushy salesman, even a pretend one, is certainly tempting.

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

We had Jeff Street on the show before.  He and his wife offer free firearms training at their church.  They have a Special Event coming up in the Naples Florida area.

 

Jeff writes-
We will have a guest speaker Naples Criminal Defense Attorney Donald Day
He is also a “Self Defense Attorney” affiliated with the Armed Citizens Legal defense network.
The topic will be “Defending yourself in Florida with a Weapon: The Law from A-Z”.

When:
Tuesday July 21st 2015 from 6:30pm – 8:30pm

There is no charge but Donald asks that all make some contribution to the NRA or Sign up for the Armed Citizen Legal Defense Network.
Space is limited.  Call or text to make your reservations.  239-641-6140

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- It has been a busy week at the slow facts blog.  I wrote four articles covering the murders in Charleston and having guns in church.  I also posted a fairly long article talking about the marketing aspects of gun control.

 

Anti-rights advocates offer an emotional appeal to an idealized fantasy they call gun control. The ideology of disarmament has many aspects that make it easy to sell.

 

Those articles are up at Ammoland, Clash Daily, and on my blog at Slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look him up at not one more gun law dot blog spot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 335 – Kenn Blanchard and Gary Slider

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Episode 334 – Tragedy in Charleston

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, June 21, 2015  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk about the murders in Charleston, South Carolina at the Emanuel AME church.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll share good news for Texas knife owners.

George: I’m George Hill, and we’ll talk with Dan Roberts about the ongoing protests at the homes of anti-rights politicians in New Jersey.

Tatiana- I’m Tatiana Whitlock, and we also interview Carl Chinn about security in churches and synagogues..

John Edeen- I’m John Edeen, and we have our weekly news and examples of defensive gun use.. so climb aboard.

George: Buckle Up.

Tatiana : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 334 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I mentored a first shots class for a group of staffers and councilmen from San Diego City Hall.  I found out one of the mentors listens to our podcast.  Made some donations for a local initiative to re-zone gun ranges, and to the New Jersey recall effort.  I’m scheduled to be on Lock and Load radio next Friday, and to mentor another first shots class for medical professionals next Saturday.

 

Rachel-I’m so glad to be back on the podcast today! The past few months I’ve been taking care of my 10-year-old brother, as well as working through the biggest music jobs of the year. The past several weeks, my two youngest brothers, my sister Deborah, and I took an amazing vacation to Colorado and Wyoming. I attended the weddings of a couple long-time friends and we visited Pikes Peak and Yellowstone, among other thrilling sights. I also enjoyed the freedom to open carry a full-size handgun in NM, CO, WY, MT, and ID. Only a few more months and we’ll be doing that in Texas, too. This weekend I’m instructing a ladies rifle class at Battle Road (online registration here).

 

George Hill (three sentence biography and any personal gun news this week)

 

Tatiana Whitlock: I am a Mom, industrial designer, firearms student and instructor and member of the NRA Women’s Network. I am also the owner and designer of ID Target Systems which creates realistic 3D training aids for personal and home defense training. My career took a shift from fine art and design to firearms five years ago. Since then my focus has been in real world, practical application of firearms for home and self defense.

(What did you do this week, Tatiana?)

 

John Edeen: I am a Pediatric orthopedic surgeon practicing in San Antonio for the past 17 years. I am a Navy veteran have been pursuing firearms training since 2010. I am also the membership director for Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership. I have been active in the Second Amendment rights movement for two years.

 

This week I attended the Threat Centered Revolver training course taught by Grant Cunningham in Ohio. The course was hosted by Paul Carlson of Safety Solutions Academy. It is essentially Combat Focus Shooting for the revolver. If you’ve taken CFS, you will recognize many of the general principles of the curriculum. The focus is on the threat and the techniques that are taught are adapted to what your body does under extreme stress. Grant emphasizes using visual information in target selection and shoot-don’t shoot exercises. What makes this course unique is the revolver. Grant teaches the fundamentals of grip and trigger manipulation of the double action revolver first, so by the end of the course, you are doing the shooting automatically. It’s a good thing, because the second day you are using your brain in decision making. Reloading a revolver is a manual skill, with multiple steps that, by the end of the weekend you have mastered by sheer repetition. He showed us some one handed reloading techniques, both strong and weak hand, but emphasized that actual use of these techniques is unlikely in an actual defensive encounter. If you carry a revolver for personal protection, you will benefit from the knowledge you gain from this course. Much of the content of the course can be found in Grant’s book, Defensive Revolver Fundamentals.

 

Paul Carlson did a great job of organizing the course. The facilities and range were well suited for firearms training and Paul also did some instruction.

 

A bonus to the course was dinner with David Codrea. David lives nearby,  so I invited him, Grant, Paul and the other students. We had a nice dinner at The Chophouse , but the conversation was lively and stimulating…Paul

 

Susan – won’t be here for the intro she will be back home as soon as she can, but will be at least late.

 

Paul – Worked as usual this week. Definitely decided that I am going to order another barrel for the G22, going to get a .357 Sig barrel and see if I like shooting that better. That is one thing that I like about Glocks is their flexibility.

 

Nothing else gun related. Susan can’t join us at least during the first segment as she is at a meeting at her soon to be former job. She interviewed for and has been offered a job with a considerable raise in responsibility and more importantly pay.

 

We have been going out on Sunday mornings and have started looking at campers. I want a camper that I can pull behind my Dodge half ton pickup, which means that I am looking at campers on the smaller end. we have 2 absolutes that we are looking for, #1 it MUST have a bathroom (Susan’s requirement) and it MUST have air conditioning (mine)

 

>live promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Seg 2- News

 

Charleston’s Emanuel AME Church Murders
The staff of the Polite Society Podcast would like to extend our sincere condolences to the friends, family, congregation and community of the nine victims at the Charleston AME church.  We count ourselves as part of the community that is grieving their loss. We surely condemn the evil that raised its head in that holy place.

The devil goes to church too.

‘Boma Exploits the Emanuel AME Murders

The investigation of the Emanuel AME murders had barely started before Obama rushed to his teleprompter to push his agenda of division and gun control. Instead of acting to heal, he did the opposite according to Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal. “I think it was completely shameful. Within 24 hours we’ve got the president trying to score cheap political points.” Jindal observed.

 

During the seven minute prepared statement Obama said, “At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency. And it is in our power to do something about it.” Obama is mistaken in those statements – no, let’s be honest: he lied. Most, if not all, advanced countries endure mass killings – evil respects no borders. Countries like Finland, Russia, Germany, France and England, have endured these tragedies, some much worse than Columbine, Sandy Hook and Charleston together. We see mass murders with weapons in countries with far more oppressive gun laws than the US. And — Obama certainly does not have the Constitutional power in his pen and phone to override Congress and the Will of the People.

 

If one of the 12 people present had been armed, the AME massacre might have ended very differently. At fearsome odds, Aaron Guyton, Jeanne Assam, and Charl van Wyk stopped attacks on their churches. They are just a few of the pastors and parishioners who have successfully defended the lives of their flock. Unfortunately, South Carolina makes it illegal to carry a concealed weapon into a church without permission. Good people were disarmed and helpless when evil intruded into their sanctuary.

 

The host of federal and state laws also failed the victims. Official information is hard to come by, but the killer apparently was able to obtain his weapon over the counter despite his drug addiction and several felony arrests. He violated a host of laws possessing, concealing and transporting the gun. 911 also failed: the police arrived an eternity too late. The killer had enough time to taunt his victims, expend six magazines and then make good his escape. The only thing that could have stopped the hateful spree was a good guy with a gun.

Obama made his comments moments before jetting off to attend three Hollywood fundraisers and put in another round or two of golf.  At one $33,400 a plate function, Obama discussed his plans for gun control with the entertainment industry elite. After all, Matthew Perry knows everything about guns.
One of the Polite Society’s core philosophies is that good guys with guns do good things. Carry your CCW if you can, where you can, when you can. Stand as free men and women; not as victims. Stand.

 

Comments from Rob, John, Tatiana and George.

 

Rachel-Apart from legal issues, this story raises other questions that Christian/church-going gun carriers need to have considered, foremost of which, “Is it appropriate to carry in church?” I’m a Christian all week. I worship God and seek to serve Him all week. So I feel if it was inappropriate to carry at church it would also be inappropriate to carry away from church.

 

Loving and worshipping God involves valuing what He values. He created life, and that life is precious and valuable. I believe in the principle of self-defense not out of spite or vengeance or selfishness, not because I think I’m more important than someone else, but because God made me in His image and I as a person have value.

 

I believe in protecting others’ lives because they as people made in God’s image have value. This is part of loving my neighbor as myself.

 

I believe that if another person devalues human life by trying to extinguish it – for example, pulling a gun and beginning to murder people – it is good and right to protect the innocent life, even if that may call for taking the life of the killer. This is valuing justice as well as valuing life.

 

So, I see value and rightness in welcoming a stranger into one’s midst for a prayer meeting and extending the love of Christ to him, but I also see value and rightness in carrying a firearm and being ready to use it to defend life.

 

Things that we value help us make choices in living our lives. Sometimes we decide to intentionally make ourselves more vulnerable, but that’s a calculated risk. It’s a decision you make for yourself. Each of us has to weigh safety, living life, enjoying freedom, sharing and loving others.

 

Rob- This news breaks my heart and it makes me proud of you.  Everyone on this program has taken training and wishes they were sitting in that prayer circle and carrying.  It also makes me wonder about values.  On one hand we’re told that all values are the same.  In that case crazy paranoid racist rants are just a lifestyle choice.  I think values matter and this kid was crazy.

 

George?  President Obama said that in order to stop violent attacks we have to turn the legally armed US into the disarmed AME church.  That takes a heck of a speech writer to pull that one off.

 

Tatiana?- The president said we should stop 21 year olds from buying guns because they are too irresponsible.  Is he also advocating raising the age to vote?  +1 DM

 

John: My passion is to get rid of gun free zones. This unfortunate event demonstrates the futility of a law that disarms the law abiding and allows the evil actors free reign to murder unopposed. This is a moral issue. It is immoral for any legislature to leave gun free zones in place. Every time there is a mass shooting in a gun free zone, the legislature is an accessory and has blood on its hands.

 

Rob- This crazy murderer proved that magazine capacity restrictions don’t matter.

If I can be funny for a moment, the president said at his fundraiser in Hollywood that anyone could go to a gun show and buy a gun without a background check.  I bet that gave his audience some hope that they could get a gun despite their prior drug convictions.

 

George- The president is wrong.  Every gun law that applies outside a gun show also applies inside the gun show.

 

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Of Course She Did
Front running Democrat presidential candidate (gawd help us all) Hillary Clinton lost little time before calling for new restrictions on firearms in the wake of the tragedy at the Emanuel AME church in Charleston. Just as predictable was the standard anti-gun litany of “common-sense” reforms, universal background checks, keeping guns out of the hands of domestic abusers or people suffering from mental illness, or even people on the terror watch list.

Someone should tell Ms Clinton that none of her wish list would have kept the gun out of the murderer’s hands. He apparently passed the background checks they are so fond of.

 

Paul – in other news water is wet!

 

-A firearms instructor wanted to do more than be a good witness.  He wanted to prevent another crime before it happened.  The owner of Bear Beam Firearms in Tulsa, Oklahoma offers free training classes to preachers and ministers.  Charles Peters said “Protecting .. their flock is important.  Being prepared for that unfortunate event when it happens needs to take place prior to it happening. Not reacting to it afterwards.  I’ve (offered these classes) before and nobody shows up because nobody thinks it affects them.  The recent event will cause them to see how much it can affect them.”

 

Peters said he has already received calls from pastors interested in his free course and some have signed up.  He cautions anyone who seeks out a conceal carry permit, that they also need to receive proper safety training. Pastors will only need to show identification showing they’re a pastor or assistant pastor. They will still need to pay any state fees associated with the permit.

 

Comment- Rob- Why do religious leaders think it is noble to be disarmed victims?

 

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Cuomo Creates ‘Total Cluster F—k’ in Escaped-Killers Hunt
Not only is New York governor Mario Cuomo a rabid anti-gunner, a hard-left progressive, the head of an administration that’s corrupt even by New York standards, and a publicity ho(und), he’s now credited with creating a Total… err… Charlie Foxtrot (no relation) of the hunt for two escaped murderers.

With TV cameras in tow, Cuomo elbowed his way to the scene of the upstate New York prison escape. His unwelcome presence disrupted a crime scene only hours old. The ongoing search is hamstrung by competing agencies, bureaucratic infighting and publicity seeking officials. Heavily armed officers are bumbling about random patches of forest, often without coordination with other groups in the woods. Many are openly talking about the mess the search has become. As the murderers remain at large for days, now weeks, the pressure on Cuomo grows.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.

 

Texas is definitely NOT New York.  Texas Governor Greg Abbott signed a knife law preemption bill which keeps cities and counties from enacting local knife laws.  City laws such as those in Corpus Christi and San Antonio will be effectively repealed after September first. Cities are allowed to regulate possession of knives in schools, on government property or at certain public events.

 

John Edeen- Will the San Antonio city council copy Chicago and outlaw knives on public transportation?

 

Also in the good news category, Nevada changed its reciprocity laws.  Nevada now recognizes the concealed carry permits from 21 other states.  Nevada now recognizes the popular Arizona permit, but not Utah and Florida.  The Nevada legislature also eliminated the handgun registration requirements in Clark County.

 

Indiana Will Allow Short Barreled Shotguns
As of July 1st, Indiana residents will be allowed to possess shotguns with a barrel length less than 18”. The owner will still have to have the proper federal Class III paperwork for short barrelled shotguns. Which still makes no sense. Heck, Canadians can have short barreled rifles and shotguns without asking for permission and paying a special tax.

 

-In the not so good news category, the digital ridesharing company Uber now prohibits drivers and passengers from having weapons in its vehicles.  Uber made the change back on June 10.   Both Uber and Lyft are rolling gun-free zones.

 

Rachel- Does each car come with a little plastic no-guns sign on the window?  Is the driver going to wand me like a TSA checkpoint?  Seriously, I don’t want to get into a car when a thief knows I’m disarmed.

 

Rob- A regulated company can be pressured to follow ANYTHING the regulators tell it to do.

John- Can Uber be sued if the driver is attacked?

 

-Rob, you were thinking of moving from California.  Maybe you should consider Puerto Rico.  A class action lawsuit was brought by a group called “the Ladies of the Second Amendment”.  They sued the commonwealth of Puerto Rico to allow firearms purchase and carry without having to show good cause.  The Commonwealth attorney argued that having arms is a privilege and not a right. The intermediate appellate court ruled with the plaintiff citing the Heller and McDonald cases.  Puerto Ricans can now carry, open or concealed, without a permit and they no longer need a permit to purchase a firearm. The court’s ruling also abolished the gun registry in Puerto Rico. All firearms transactions will be handled in accordance with US firearms regulations.

 

Paul- Freedom is breaking out in unexpected places.  We had Ed Levine with us last week talking about non-resident permits in Washington DC.  He finally picked up his DC carry permit.  Unfortunately, this week a court imposed a stay so DC is again denying carry permits to mere mortals.

Phoney Baloney Maloney

Rep. Carolyn Maloney, D-NY, has found her nitch: the underside of the gun-control rock. This legislative session she has authored bills on the so called gun-show loophole (with a hidden registration requirement), a gun liability insurance mandate, funding for CDC anti-gun studies, and now the Handgun Trigger Safety Act. This bill would require all new handguns to utilize smart gun technology within 5 years, and the retrofit of all handguns within 10. The fact that acceptable smart gun technology doesn’t exist is probably not a bug, but a feature to her.

 

Fortunately, the above bills don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of passage in the Republican controlled House. Perhaps, her puppetmasters have other objectives. They may be laying the foundation for when the political pendulum swings to the left again. More likely, they are hoping to get these ideas out to the states and cities. Once there, each anti-gun law must be fought individually, straining the resources of the pro-rights organizations. This could be gun bans by a thousand cuts.

As always, support your local, state and national gun-rights organizations. They’re going to need it.

Bloomberg Funds New Gun News Site ‘The Trace’
Speaking of the puppetmaster: Our ol’ friend Michael Bloomberg is at it again. That Nasty Little Fascist (thank you, Michael Bane) is using his billions to try and change the debate on guns in America. Bloomy is funding a media organization to distribute news about guns. And, of course, impart that unique Bloomberg spin to the news. New York’s “Capital” said the site will be the editorial arm of Bloomberg’s Everytown for Gun Safety. He obviously hopes to become a reference source for mainstream media, like the now largely discredited Brady Bunch was in the past.
A look at “The Trace” website shows a very heavy-handed spin on gun news. The few articles that were briefed (we lacked sufficient blood-pressure medicine) were long on allegations and short on facts. Did you know that Guns Are Now the Weapon of Choice for Violent White Supremacists? If you bothered reading the article, you wouldn’t know much more.

This website does no credit to the already badly damaged standards of journalism. However, it does have that unique Bloomberg stench.

 

Gun Quotes  (give the gun quote to the person who has said the least so far)

If they think gun buybacks get guns away from criminals, then why don’t they ever do crack and heroin buybacks? That quote is from Facebook.

 

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Gary Slider of handgunlaw.us.(wednesday?)

Carl Chinn about church security

Dan Roberts about ongoing protests in New Jersey.  Steve Sweeney got his democrat city council members to bar protests in front his house.  The Recall Sweeney event is next week, June 27th.  Sweeney is using the victim card for his special needs daughter claiming the protesters frightened his family.  A mental health search takes less than a week.  Some New Jersey gun owners are afraid of political retribution.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Three men approached a resident of Hope MIlls, North Carolina as he arrived home after midnight.  The three thieves drew their firearms and demanded money.  The resident reached back into his car and drew his revolver.  He shot one of the thieves and all three of the thieves then ran off on foot.  The victim was shot in the abdomen, was taken to Cape Fear medical center, and is expected to recover.  Police found one of the thieves wearing latex gloves and with a gunshot wound to his chest.  The thief died before medical help arrived.

 

Rob- The victim was not carrying.  Three on one.  Six shots doesn’t seem like enough.

 

Atlanta, Georgia Homeowner Defends His Life Against Two Intruders
An Atlanta Homeowner was forced to overpower an attacker and then shoot him several times in defense of his life. Two men busted through his door at 3 AM. The wounded burglar was taken to the hospital where he died several hours later.

Police are still looking for the other home invader.

 

-The police tell us to be a good witness.  That sounds like good advice, but could you watch and do nothing while a friend of yours was being robbed at gunpoint?  A thief walked into a Breadbox Convenience store in Knoxville, Tennessee.  He pointed a 9mm pistol at the clerk and forced her behind the counter.   The thief didn’t see the clerk’s friend waiting in the parking lot.  The clerk’s friend grabbed his own handgun and entered the store.  That is when he shot the thief and saved the clerk.  The thief died.

 

Police called the shooting justified because of the threat to the clerk’s life.  They also reported that the thief’s gun had the serial numbers filed off.. and the police are still trying to trace where the gun was stolen.

 

Family members of the thief said the friend in the car shouldn’t have gotten involved.

Two Thugs Have a Gun Wrestled Away By A Mom (Do we really want to use this one? RM) (It certainly shows the essential will to overcome and the inadvisability of opening the door to anyone unknown – DM)  
Two thugs got between a momma bear and her cub, but did live to regret it. Barely.

A Nashville woman opened her front door to two men saying they were the police. The masked men blew in, grabbed the homeowner and demanded her money. When she was unable to give them what they wanted, they began to beat her. With her daughter looking on, she resisted and fought back. The fight rolled out onto the front lawn where she was able to grab a thug’s gun and turn it on the cowardly duo. Several shots chased them down the street. Neither suspect is known to have been hit.

The woman was taken to the hospital with cuts and bruises. Her daughter was unharmed. Police have been unable to find the hapless thugs, and have not said if the woman would be charged for firing at the fleeing invaders or if she will be allowed to keep the gun. We say she’s earned it.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about the murders at the Charleston church and the political protests in New Jersey following the murder of Carol Bowne. Also, we’ve had Amber Kunau on the show.  Amber wrote a powerful piece about the Carol Bowne’s murder and I linked to it.   10 thousand people came by my site to read them.  I want to thank our listeners for sharing these articles since most of my viewers came from Facebook.  The articles are posted at Ammoland, at ClashDaily and on my blog- Slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

Tatiana – Available online via American Shooting Journal are two recent articles that I wrote regarding merging real world training with range time practice and another about the differences between how men and women learn to shoot. http://americanshootingjournal.com/  They have received great feedback and answered many questions I receive from students and instructors alike. I am also honored to be writing for Be Ready magazine so look for articles from me regarding women’s concealed carry and big-picture training in their bi-annual publications.  More information on my training schedule, course offerings and adventures can be found at tatianawhitlock.com.

 

John- My Articles: The Unthinkable: An Active Shooter in a Hospital and A Tale of Two Shootings can be accessed through drgo.us.

 

(Ask Tatiana, George and John if they want a shout-out for their articles or activities?)

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.  He writes at his blog “Not One More Gun Law”

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Carl Chinn and Dan Roberts) for joining us today.  We have Kenn Blanchard from Black Man witha a Gun, Gary Slider of handgunlaw.us  and Doug Ritter of knife rights scheduled to join us next week.  Rob will you be with us? I’m looking forward to it.  Hopefully John, Gary and Rachel will be back as co-hosts.  Until the next time…

Rachel: stay safe,

John: be aware,

Tatiana: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 333- Yes, Virginia there really are DC carry permits!

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Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, June 14, 2015.  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with John Edeen from Doctors for Responsible gun ownership.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Ed Levine (LE VINE) about getting  your DC carry permit.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we also get to talk with the shy and soft-spoken and famous Taco Bell fan Miguel Gonzalez of The Gun Free Zone Blog.  Miggy will tell us about the new “common sense gun regulations” proposed by the department of justice.  We have all that and our usual news and stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.

Rob- strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 333 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I spoke with one of our listeners.  Tony is running some introductory training classes in New Jersey.  I had some repairs made on my Glock 19.  Shot an IDPA match.  One stage had 18 separate cardboard targets. That stage took a while to score and tape.

 

I was shooting a mix of defensive and practice ammunition.  The glock doesn’t care what it eats so far.  On a personal note, we went and heard Rand Paul speak last night.

 

John – Not much in the way of personal gun stuff to report this week. I did pick up 4 Aero Precision AR stripped lowers this week. I found a great deal on them and couldn’t resist. I think there will be more AR builds in my future! Planning what to do is half the fun.

 

Gary – Sorting brass for reloading and teaching Plus just opened the new scope for my M&P15

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Seg 2- News

 

Guns For Me, But Not For Thee
Geraldo Rivera doesn’t believe the public should own guns. According to him, the Second Amendment is blind and stupid. Oddly enough, when push comes to maybe being shoved, he becomes a believer in a firearm – for his self-defense. Covering the Baltimore riots, Geraldo could have felt uneasy about being as defenseless as one of the little people. So, the Very Important Person got some muscle – muscle with guns. What his bodyguard didn’t have was a hard-to-get permit to carry those guns in Maryland. Now, Geraldo’s bodyguard sits in jail, unable to meet the outrageous $350,000 bond.

 

While Baltimore’s mayor gave the rioters room to destroy, the politicians would not allow the citizens their right to an effective self-defense. Just as hypocritical, Geraldo was protected by the same firearms he would deny from the people

 

Blind and stupid? Well, Geraldo is certainly one to know blind stupidity.

 

We like guns.. and so do you.  A new Rasmussen poll reports that American voters overwhelming prefer living in a neighborhood where they have the option of owning a gun rather than living where nobody is allowed to be armed.  Only 22 percent of likely U.S. voters feel safer living in a neighborhood where nobody was allowed to own a gun.  Sixty-eight percent would feel safer in a neighborhood where guns are allowed.  That more than a three to one ratio.

That leads us to ask.. why aren’t they all listening to our podcast?

 

Total Recall is more than a movie.  Patricia Duffy had her recall petition approved by the Oregon Secretary of State.  She wants to recall state Senator Floyd Prozanski because of his vote on mandatory background checks for Oregon gun owners.  This recall is in Lane County which includes the liberal college town of Eugene.  You’d think that gun prohibition would succeed there, but the Lane county politicians said they would not enforce the firearms transfer law.  This is the fourth Oregon legislator facing a recall over the firearms transfer law.  Citizens have until September fourth to gather 8,700 signatures for the recall.

 

Rob- Speaking of recall petitions.. the petition drive to remove New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney is in two weeks.

 

Our next story could be called total recant.  The FBI released a report before the 2014 midterm elections that claimed mass murders were on the rise.  Criminologists looked at the report since then and said the report was deeply flawed.  The report ignored older attacks and overcounted recent ones.  Now, two of the authors have had to retract their conclusions.  The authors paid by the FBI  to write the report said the study’s “data is imperfect.  Because official data did not contain the information we needed, we had to develop our own.”

John- That is academic speak for “I made it up.”

 

Rob- The way the authors built their study, their methodology would report an increase in any event they looked for.  The authors can always go to work writing reports on global warming.

 

Break-

 

-Yes, crazy people get guns.  What are you going to do about it?  The Aurora theater murderer kept a journal.  It is now public.  The journal includes lists of possible targets, diagrams of the movie theater, and the advantages and disadvantages of mass murder, serial murder, bombs, biological warfare, attacking a theater or an airport.  It details which auditoriums in the theater complex had the fewest exits and which rooms offered the least chance he would be detected as he slipped out and in the back door.  The journal documents the murderer’s struggle with mental illness for the last ten years.  Like the jihadi terrorist, the murderer did not fear death.  He feared failure.. and would not be stopped by a plastic sign that said “no guns allowed”.  He is being tried for murdering 12 people and wounding an additional 70. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/28/theater-shooting-prosecutors-build-case-that-holme/#ixzz3d2l9WYDM

 

The Supreme Court refused to hear a court case from San Francisco.  They let stand a case that was very similar to the Heller case in DC.  San Francisco requires that a firearm be locked in a safe and inoperable whenever it is not being carried on body.

Rob- Three New York cities passed the same storage requirement law the day after the Supreme Court refused to hear the case.  Alito and Roberts blinked.

 

John- Judge Thomas spoke out against the ban and wanted to hear the case. He said the 9th Circuit’s ruling was “in serious tension” with the Heller decision. He was right.

 

Rob- as long as they are in your hands or a locked safe. A woman in San Francisco who keeps her gun in a nightstand is now a felon.. and she can’t wear it as she take her garbage can to the curb or to get her mail.  That requires a carry permit.. which she won’t get.

 

Bill to Fix Sporting Purpose Language in 1968 Gun Control Act
Representative Rob Bishop of Utah has introduced H.R. 2710, the “Lawful Purpose and Self-Defense Act of 2015″. His bill aims to fix the flawed and much abused Sporting Purposes language of the ‘68 Gun Control Act,. The bill has already garnered strong support from the NRA, NSSF, and the CCRKBA, as well as 50 co-sponsors.

 

Misdefining Sporting Purposes has led to recent ATF overreaches such as the attempted ban of the 5.56 M855 round and could threaten larger calibers and shotgun self defense loads. Most importantly, the Sporting Purposes phrase has no foundation in the Constitution. As the Supreme Court determined in DC v. Heller, the right to keep and bear arms was never written to protect hunting or target shooting.

 

Representative Bishop hopes to “…slap the over-reaching hand of the federal government and restore some of the freedoms our grandparents enjoyed.”  A NSSF representative stated that; “This is one of the most important pieces of reform legislation that the firearms and ammunition industry has seen come before Congress in recent years,”

We certainly wish Rob Bishop all the best.

 

-This is more sad news from the failing city of Chicago.  Chicago had its 1000th shooting victim this year.  If there is any good news it is this.  Not one of the victims was attacked by a concealed carry holder as the police chief alleged when concealed carry was passed.

 

Gary- That news is out of date.  I checked the statistics today, and the total number of people wounded or murdered with a firearm in Chicago is 1114 so far this year.

 

Voters in Montana could have the chance to vote to allow teachers to carry guns in schools.  This is because of the efforts of a 17-year-old junior at Whitefish High School. Chet Billi filled draft language for a proposed initiative for the 2016 ballot this week with the Montana Secretary of State. He’d like to see teachers armed in accordance with state concealed-carry laws.  A measure to legalize concealed-carry on Montana’s public college campuses passed the Montana Senate in the last legislative session, but was died in the House on a 49-51 vote.  Maybe the voters will do it themselves.

http://www.krtv.com/story/29244570/teen-launches-ballot-initiative-to-allow-teachers-to-carry-guns-in-montana

 

We discussed the proposed changes in the ITAR regulations last week. We asked you to write your lawmakers as well as submit comments. GOA has set up a comment generator where you take a cut and paste pre-written comment and send it to the State Department. This is going to be one of those proposed regulations where we need thousands and thousands of comments just like with the ATF proposal to label green-tip M855 ammo as armor piercing.

 

John – We need to bury them with comments because they have to read and consider each and every one.

 

There is lots of news out of New Jersey this week.  We have an interview coming up with Dan Roberts.  He’ll cover the ongoing protests after the murder of Carol Bowne.  Here is some good news out of New Jersey..

 

We had Steffon Josey-Davis on our show several months ago.  Davis was arrested, charged, and convicted of a felony in 2013 for accidentally transporting his legally registered handgun.  He has finally received a pardon from Governor Chris Christie.  We’re glad for Steffon, but remain worried about the two million gun owners trapped by New Jersey gun laws.

 

John- I remember Brian Aitken, James Kaleda, Shaneen Allen and Gordon Van Gilder.  There are hundreds of honorable gun owners who’ve been harassed by New Jersey law enforcement.

 

Rob- New Jersey gun laws are a problem, not the solution.  Look at the most violent cities in America.  Five of the worst 40 cities are in New Jersey.

 

John- Rob, that isn’t news.  We’ve seen the same thing before after Britain imposed firearms prohibition.  They are now the most violent country in Europe.

Gun Quotes:  Owning a handgun doesn’t make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.   Jeff Cooper

 

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Ed Levine-

Virginia Gunrights-  Most of us have visited DC.  We used to do it disarmed.  We have Ed Levine with us to talk about DC permits for residents of other states.  Welcome Ed.

What is involved in getting a non-resident permit for DC?

Ed should get his permit after his Friday class.

 

Miguel Gonzalez- talking about the state department’s new regulation regarding the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR).  Export now means “post on the internet.”

 

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Dan Roberts talks about protests in New Jersey.

There was a protest friday at Loretta Weinberg’s office.

Senator Sweeney turned his sprinklers on the protesters.. and stationed police cars right in front of the house.  40 people at Steve Sweeney’s house from 1pm to 4pm.  Sweeney has a carry permit and cops on his doorstep, but Carol Bowne was disarmed.  The NBC station interviewed NJ2AS.. but left out the remarks from Senator Sweeney.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

-A Houston woman was sitting in her car at a gas station.  A thief jumped into the passenger seat.  and put a knife in her face.  He demanded her money and her purse.  The driver told the thief she would get the money.  Instead she grabbed her pistol and shot the thief in the shoulder. The thief ran and collapsed about a half mile away. The thief is expected to recover and the driver is uninjured.

 

-Five armed men broke into a home on the east side of Detroit.  The homeowner with a concealed carry license grabbed her gun as the thieves broke in through her bedroom window.  They shot at her.  She shot at them and the thieves fled.  Unfortunately, the homeowner was shot in the foot.  She is expected to make a full recovery.

 

She was selected as a likely victim because she is receiving cancer treatment and lives alone.  The victim got a gun three years ago after her home was burglarized.  I was going to fault her marksmanship, but five against one in the middle of the night is a really tough problem.  She solved it.

 

-This next story comes to us from one of our guests, Tatiana Whitlock.  A 35-year-old woman from Portland, Maine defended herself with a handgun.  A man approached her and asked for money as she walked across the parking lot near Maine Medical Center.  She said no.  The beggar turned thief and threatened her with a knife.  The woman retreated to her car and grabbed her handgun. She pointed the gun at the man and told him to leave her alone. The man ran and the victim reported the attempted robbery and assault to police.

 

-A school bus driver saw two strangers with guns in her school parking lot.  The assailants charged her and the driver retreated to her car.  Then she took action.  She chased the two strangers with her car and called police.  Police found the two attackers high on drugs and armed with several handguns.

 

Rob- Her actions broke up their plans and gave authorities time to respond.  Good work.

 

-A robber walked into a Kansas City, Missouri, pharmacy wearing a mask and carrying a gun.  She demanded oxycodone from one of the clerks.  The pharmacist came over and asked what the woman wanted.  She said, ‘I’ve got a gun in this bag.’ to which the pharmacist replied, I got a gun too, as he pointed his 45 at the thief.  The woman ran.  No shots were fired.  Cameras captured video of the suspect and her getaway car.  Police recovered the bag the woman carried into the pharmacy, which contained a fake plastic gun.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

Scott wrote in from Houston.

I noticed on the news from New York that all the cops have 30 round magazines for their patrol rifles.  I thought the governor said no one needs a 30 round magazine.. yet only law-abiding citizen are required to have seven rounds.  Isn’t that pathetic.

 

Thank you

Scott

 

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about New Jersey judges and how they disarmed Carol Bowne before she was murdered.  Judges ruled that New Jersey firearms laws are not infringements.  Excuse me, but it isn’t a minor legal regulation when people bleed to death.

 

Usually people come to my blog page through aggregators like keep and bear arms or sites like Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  This time I received 2700 hits from facebook.   I haven’t had that before.  The posts are up at Ammoland, ClashDaily and my blog- slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

If you’re looking for firearms safety information, I updated my website everytown for gun safety dot wordpress dot com.

 

John tell us what you’ve been doing over at No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money.

 

I’d like to highlight a couple of posts that I did this week. The first was the management changes at Remington Outdoor Company. The CEO, CFO, and some directors are out. I think their problems illustrate what happens when you have financial people with no firearms manufacturing experience try to run a gun company. The second post deals with the lawsuit of Cold Steel knives against CRKT knives. That lawsuit is an example of lawfare – using the courts to gain a competitive advantage rather than fighting it out in the marketplace. The basis of the lawsuit involves CRKT advertising claims and the ego of the owner of Cold Steel.

 

These and other posts can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, June 7,2015.  I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk about growing the gun culture with instructor and podcaster Bob Mayne.
John: I’m John Richardson, and texas finally has campus carry.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty we have a guest interview with Dan Roberts from the marchers in front of New Jersey Senator Stephen Sweeney’s house.. so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 332 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob dry practiced with friends Thursday night.  Shot IDPA with my G19 friday night.  Picked up some new magazines for my small browning 1911-22 saturday morning.  I talked with John Edeen about his new 10mm version of the Sig 220.  Finally cleaned my Mosin Nagant.  (Sorry it took me so long, John.)

John – I doubt the Finns had much time to clean their Mosins when they were fighting the Red Army!  The one thing I did this week firearms related was email my local state representative, a Democrat, asking him to support HB 562, the Second Amendment Affirmation Act, as it would eventually do away with North Carolina’s pistol purchase permit system. Imagine my surprise when I got a call yesterday evening from him asking to discuss the bill. He said he was a gun owner, CCW holder, NRA member, and a hunter. He went to say there was a lot in the bill he could support and would with a few changes. He gave me his cell number and asked me to call or text him with my comments if the bill changes. I didn’t vote for him but I was impressed that he took the time to call me.

Gary – Class and more shooting

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-The Texas legislature completed the final steps for campus carry and governor Abbott signed it into law.  The new law requires Texas public universities to allow licensed concealed carry holders into dorms, classrooms and campus buildings.  College campuses have often sprawled across town, with a department building intermixed with private businesses and public roads.  Licensed concealed carry was already allowed on campus, but you couldn’t enter the school buildings.  You can in the fall of 2016.

The law allows universities to carve out gun-free zones in locations of their choice – establishing their own rules on where handguns are carried and how they’re stored. We will see what college administrators do with that loophole.  Private universities can opt out of the carry requirement altogether.

-There were 27 shootings in Baltimore over the Memorial day weekend. 19 people were robbed in New York City’s central park. Chicago had 12 people shot to death and an additional 47 shot and wounded over the same weekend.  That is a tragedy.  Baltimore, Chicago, New York.. these deep blue cities are the very model of progressive regulation.  In response to continued violence, the Obama administration called for more anti-rights controls.

The White House press secretary said, Quote “Obviously there’s some common sense things we could do – certainly passage of some gun safety laws in Congress that could keep guns out of the hands of criminals would be one thing that we could do to try to limit the violence.” Also, the government could improve the lives of citizens living in poverty stricken areas of our inner cities.  close quote.

They called it gun safety, but it is really about people control. The White House failed to tell us that assaults with a firearm are down.  That is why I have to ask this question.  There are thousands of firearms restrictions in these cities already, and the violence marches on.  Which criminals do they think will obey these new restrictions?

Even though people can’t work and raise a family in those examples of a deep blue progressive paradise, the obama administration wants to blame firearms for violence.  This week the Department of Justice said it will institute over a dozen new regulations to make it harder for law abiding gun owners to own a firearm for self-defense.

We don’t think these anti-rights laws will help our friends trying to live in the inner city.

Rob- DC had  violent weekend too. People shot = 9. People stabbed = 7.

John – It just infuriates me that the gun prohibitionists try to call what they do gun safety.

-In chicago, publicity seeking priest Michael Pfleger said the NRA was responsible for the shootings in chicago.  Pfleger was joined by Jesse Jackson and Brady Campaign president Dan Gross as they staged a rally outside Dick’s sporting goods in Chicago.

Gary- This isn’t about firearms safety.  There were 300 shootings in Chicago last month.  None of them were by concealed carry holders or honest citizens who legally bought a gun and had a background check.  My students don’t shoot innocent people on street corners.

These spokesmen are chasing dollars in a witch hunt against guns.

Rob- Lots of our deep-blue progressive cities have seen a surge in violent crime.

John – You don’t think some of those shootings might have been gang on gang, do you?

-Those gun grabbers in Chicago are not the only people seeking public attention.   A man carried his AR into Atlanta airport.  He videoed himself doing it as he trolled for the police.  A second man wore his Star Wars stormtrooper costume, complete with blaster, outside a school in Massachusetts.  He also got some police attention.  If you absolutely positively need public attention, then please enter a beauty pageant or buy a dog.  You are undermining the right of self-defense as you shock the average citizen.  You’re really working for gun grabbers like bloomberg while you feed your ego.

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-This news should make our inner cities safer.  Last week we reported that Washington, DC’s good cause requirement to get a carry permit was enjoined by a judge.  In the last few days, I’m hearing reports that ordinary citizens finally received approval to take a class and receive a DC carry permit.  DC also said licensed carry holders could carry a spare loaded magazine.

Rob- We’ll have an interview on applying for your non-resident DC permit.

-Self-defense news may seem politically partisan.  There is a reason for that, as documented by a recent Yougov poll.  Republicans were 50% more likely than democrats to say they owned a .gun.  69 percent of Republicans say the ‘average American’ can be trusted with a firearm while only 32 percent of Democrats trust the average american.  Democrats were almost three times more likely than republicans to want stricter gun laws.

The meaning is clear to me.  We need to take more friends shooting so more democrats will stand up for the human right of self-defense.

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Obama Seeks To Limit Communication About Firearms
It’s often said that those who would eliminate one fundamental Constitutional Right would have little problem eliminating others. From the NRA-ILA comes a warning of the Obama administration’s effort to restrict free speech about firearms. It reads like a tinfoil hat fever dream, but we assure you that the source is the reputable NRA-ILA. Obama is once again attacking the First and Second Amendments.

In the June 3rd issue of the Federal Register, the administration proposes “clarifying” the International Traffic in Arms (ITAR) regulations pertaining to the sharing of technical information on firearms and ammunition. Since Algore’s internet is worldwide, under the new rules any firearms data published on the web could be deemed an export of ITAR controlled information. Prior governmental permission would be needed or the poster could face 20 years in prison and a million dollars of fines. The chilling effect on free speech is obvious.

The firearm technical data would include blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation. Gunsmiths, manufacturers, reloaders, and do-it-yourselfers could all be suddenly subject to ITAR regulation. Under the proposed gag orders, your next issue of Guns and Ammo might only be a pamphlet, firearms specific websites would be blank pages. And the broad online open discussions about firearms we enjoy nowadays would only be a another fading memory of freedom.

Comment will be accepted on the proposed changes until August 3, 2015. Comments may be submitted online at regulations.gov or via e-mail at DDTCPublicComments@state.gov with the subject line, ‘‘ITAR Amendment—Revisions to Definitions; Data Transmission and Storage.” Please contact your U.S. legislators. Urge them to oppose the State Department’s attempt to censor online speech concerning the technical aspects of firearms and ammunition. You can use the NRA’s “Write Your Lawmakers” feature (link in the shownotes) or call the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 225-3121.

Please, please make your voice heard — while you still can.

Surgeon General Vivek Murthy Intends to Pursue Gun Control as a Health Issue

When Dr Vivek Murthy was being confirmed as the US Surgeon General there were a lot of questions about his sparse medical qualifications, lack of experience, untested leadership and his hardline anti-gun stance. He mollified the Senators by promising to not let his personal convictions interfere with his duties as Surgeon General.

He lied, of course.

In a recent fawning NPR interview, Murthy reiterates his statement that “guns are a health care issue.” He further states that  “Violence of all kinds is a public health issue. When you have large numbers of people dying from preventable causes, that’s a health care issue.  I want to find a way that we can reduce violence in America. … What I’m calling for is for more common sense.”

Despise Murthy’s claim of common sense, treating violence as medical issue is largely nonsensical. Common sense and statistics show that violence declines when criminals are  targeted. Regardless of facts, it is apparent that the Surgeon General will join the Obama administration’s coordinated assault on the Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

Legislation Proposes $60 Million for Anti-Gun Research
On Monday, NRA F-rated Sen. Edward Markey and our old friend Rep. Carolyn Maloney introduced legislation to authorize the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to give $60 million of the taxpayers’ money to anti-gun activists to conduct “research” promoting gun control. If approved, these studies would use taxpayer monies to promote a political agenda against a constitutionally-protected right.

We wish that if Bloomberg would like to fund additional questionably biased anti-gun studies, he would use some of his own billions rather than getting Maloney to use our tax dollars.

Rob- It won’t be approved in this congress.
Republican Representatives Preparing to Block DOJ Anti-gun Initiatives
Republican Representatives are attempting to use the Constitutional Power of the Purse to frustrate Obama’s Department of Justice anti-gun initiatives. They are preparing to use a funding bill to roll back some of the Department of Justice’s backdoor gun controls and to completely block the implementation of others.

Breitbart News has reported the DOJ’s plans to circumvent Congress with ‘more than a dozen’ new gun control regulations.  These include new limitations on who can buy or possess guns, new reporting requirements for gun dealers, and new controls on certain types of firearms. The controls also add a whole new category of persons who have to undergo background checks when estates hold National Firearm Act guns in trust.

House Republicans are planning to stop the backdoor gun control push via riders to current funding legislation. The GOP-attached riders mean the DOJ cannot get the money it needs unless the Obama administration backs down from certain gun regulations. It is not known if House Speaker John Boehner retains enough of a spine to effectively back these initiatives.

The SAF Files an Appeal in Their Challenge of Washington’s Initiative 594
Several weeks ago we discussed the SAF’s challenge to Washington’s Bloomberg Inspired Anti-Rights Initiative 594. The judge dismissed the lawsuit on what many legal scholars believe to be the shakiest of grounds. Now, the SAF has filed an appeal of the dismissal before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
“We believe an appeal will result in the case being remanded for full hearing because there are serious issues at stake,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. “Citizens should not have to actually be criminally prosecuted in order to challenge the constitutionality of a poorly-written law.”

We wish Alan Gottlieb and the SAF all the best in this important effort.

Harbor Freight Allows Open Carry In Its Stores
In a recent press release, Harbor Freight stated  “We understand that there are a wide range of views on ‘open carry’ and other policies concerning firearms. We believe these policies should be addressed by the appropriate government agencies—not by Harbor Freight Tools.” Based on that wise understanding of the situation, Harbor Freight will permit the open carrying of firearms within its stores as long as local laws are being followed.

We applaud Harbor Freight’s decision to respect the rights of all of its customers. And we must confess to a sudden urge for some more power tools…

WHO???
Gun Quote-   I carry a weapon. I got a death threat a few years ago and was really scared. But I don’t want bodyguards. I am my own security. Country singer Miranda Lambert,

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our Bob Mayne interview.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Welcome back to the defensive gun use segment

A Gun Saves a Life
In this DGU, a victim’s gun saves an innocent life. A couple walked out of a Tampa eatery and into two robbers with a gun. As the woman attempted to run, one suspect aimed his gun in her direction. The woman’s companion defended her life with his concealed carry weapon, shooting the criminal and stopping the attack.

The highwayman is in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the leg. His accomplice later turned himself into the police. The woman suffered minor injuries from falling in the parking lot. Her protector was uninjured.

Clerk Shoots at Three Armed Robbers

Three masked and armed men attempted to rob the Happy Daze Smoke Shop in Houston.  Unfortunately – for them – they did not hide their preparations any too well, and the observant clerk was ready for them. Unfortunately – for them – the clerk was armed, and he fired as the trio rushed into the store, yelling Go, Go, Go!

One of the robbers stumbled back into the parking lot, where he collapsed. His two confederates left him there to die.

It seems a clear case of self-defense, and in rights friendly Texas, the clerk is not expected to face charges.

Elderly Man Thwarts Home Invasion

A burglar entered through the window of 70 year old Ronald Dyke’s home at 2am on last Sunday. Fortunately, the Sullivan County, Tennessee homeowner was armed. Mr. Dykes said he only had seconds to react so he pulled out his gun and shot the intruder. Mr. Dykes’ home had been previously burglarized in April.

Police found the burglar at the Holston Valley Medical Center where he was seeking treatment for his gunshot wounds.

Mr. Dykes is protected from any prosecution by Tennessee’s Castle Doctrine. Sullivan County District Attorney Barry Staubus said, “It has to be a reasonable defense of your home and you have to be in imminent fear of death. If those things exist, then you have the right to defend yourself.”

Texas Woman Stops Home Invasion

A woman in Waxahachie (Wax-Ah-Hatch-EE), Texas stopped a home invasion on Tuesday afternoon. Trent Sinyard, 32, first knocked on the front door and then went to the back door where he started to kick it in. As the door broke, the homeowner shot at him through the door multiple times wounding him in the head and shoulder.

Here is where this story takes a funny turn. Relatives say Sinyard, who lived next door to the victim, was only looking for the family dog that had escaped. That must explain why sheriff’s deputies found him hiding in the attic of his mother’s home. They took Sinyard to a local hospital for treatment for his wounds and then arrested him.

A spokesman for the Sheriff’s Office had this to say about defending yourself from a home invasion. “As soon as we know something’s going on, we’re coming, but our sheriff is very adamant letting homeowners know you have a right to take care of yourself on your property.”

Woman Uses Gun to Stop Three Murderous Carjackers
A wrong turn on the mean streets of Detroit resulted in a woman desperately battling for her life. While attempting to make a U-turn, three armed thugs approached her car, jerked open the door and opened fire, putting two slugs into the door. What could have have been just another Detroit murder took a decidedly different turn when the woman emptied her CCW handgun’s 13 rounds of .357 SIG at the offenders. The hoodrats scurried away to the safety of some nearby abandoned homes.

The woman defiantly stated that; “All the residents of the city need to come together and take back this city from the thugs and the criminals that have taken over this city, and if you live in fear you’ll never bring this city back. You should be able to go anytime to get gas. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave, right? Why can’t we act like it?”

Detroit Police say she legally defended herself and, so far, it appears no one was hurt in the shooting. We sincerely applaud the woman’s moxie, but we believe she could benefit from one of Rick Ector’s Legally Armed in Detroit handgun classes to tune-up her handgun skills. Rick is training 300 Detroit area women for free.

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Listener e-mail discussion

From listener Bow in NY,

I was “lucky” enough to get a pistol permit in the state of ny. The county I’m in issues it as a “sportsmans carry” permit. Meaning I can carry to and from the range or approved hunting grounds. If I were to travel to a state that actually recognized ny permits would those states rules apply or would I be stuck with the moronic laws of my state. I mean I passed their background check and they allow me to buy guns, why only allow me to carry to certain areas?  Again only punishing the people that follow the law. Seems to be a lot of people being shot on a daily basis, funny they are no where near a range, don’t have a permit, and the guns were obtained illegally.

Thanks,
Bow
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The next email is from Peter The subject line reads “Topic idea”

Hi Guys,

Wonder if you might think about getting someone on to talk about the process of getting a non-resident DC carry permit? I live across the river in Virginia and I do have to go into the city from time to time.

Plus, it seems like now might be a good time to inundate them with a few tens of thousands of applications.

Also, when ya’ll interviewed Bob Mayne a month or two ago, you were talking about testing a gun to make sure it’s reliable before you carry. I wonder, does that still apply if it’s your first gun, or your first carry gun? It seems to me you were mostly talking about people who have a reliable carry gun they’re thinking of replacing. If you buy your first handgun, I’d think you’d want to wring it out and make sure it’s reliable, but I don’t think that should stop you from carrying it while you do.

Thanks,

Peter

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CCW reliability-

Good idea, Peter.  We have an interview scheduled for next week.

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I wrote about Carol Bowne’s murder and the recall effort to remove New Jersey Senator Stephen Sweeney.  The post is up at Ammoland, and my blog, Slow Facts DOT wordpress, DOT com.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/06/carol-bowne-murdered-by-ex-boyfriend-and-new-jersey-laws/#axzz3cOsSOleI

John do you want to your discuss any new articles at No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money?

I did a number of posts this week regarding HB 562 which would eventually eliminate North Carolina’s pistol purchase permit system. I knew the sheriffs were against it since they’d be losing power, control, and money. I didn’t expect some Republicans to vote against it in committee. It only passed out of the Rules Committee because the chairman broke the tie in our favor. All three Republican who voted against it were both endorsed by the NRA and A-rated. So much for fair weather friends.

You can find these and other posts at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com. I have also started posting gun safety videos at my Everytown for Real Gun Safety site. The address there is everytownforgunsafety DOT blogspot DOT com.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, May 31 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Alexander Roubian about the campaign to recall New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Texas finally getting open carry.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our we have a rarity, a DGU in New Jersey! .. so climb aboard (???)

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 321 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I got to shoot my Mosin Nagant again.  I had to sight the rifle in after I put a taller front sight on it.  I am a three minute shooter so far. I’d like to shoot it again shooting outdoors with a larger target at a longer distance.  I also shot my friends Browning copy of a 1881 lever action in 45-70.  That 350 grain bullet makes the Mosin feel like a 22.  It is embarrassing that the Browning front sight was a tenth of an inch too short.

 

I read the news for Kenn Blanchard’s program Black Man with a Gun.  I was also on the Lock and Load Radio Show with Bill Frady.  Bill said he’ll come on our podcast.  So will Bob Mayne next month.

 

John, what have you been up to?

 

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John – Not much to report this week. It has been mostly work since Memorial Day. I have been assembling the parts for my retro AR-15 A1. I just need the barrel to complete it. It will be a mixture of original surplus parts and some modern parts especially in the fire controls. My dad had shot Expert with the M-16 and I thought I’d like something similar to what he was issued.

 

Gary- Teaching, shot the Para again still working on FTF issues.

 

Paul – Getting ready for next weekend’s renaissance festival. meetings meetings meetings.

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

Break

Seg 2- News

 

John-

-Judge  Frederick J. Scullin Junior said Washington, DC’s regulation of concealed carry was unconstitutional.  The judge enjoined the city from enforcing those laws.  Then judge Scullin denied DC’s request for a stay in his decision.  In layman’s terms, the judge said I mean it, and I mean it now.  The second amendment foundation has filed a motion seeking contempt charges against the city.

 

The city had a chance to appeal the judge’s original decision.  One reason the city might not have appealed is that DC did not want to lose in front of a federal appeals court, and the DC law was so egregious that the could well have lost even in front of a democrat appointed judicial panel.

 

-Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin signed a knife preemption bill.  It passed the Oklahoma house by a vote of 81 to 4.   The governor signed a bill allowing automatic opening knives the previous week.  This means that common knives are legal across the state of Oklahoma.. and law enforcement can pursue violent criminals rather than chasing honest knife owners.

 

Licensed Open Carry Passes in Texas.

-The Texas senate and house passed separate open carry bills.  and then both chambers ignored open carry until the last days of this legislative session.  The Senate finally took up the house bill and passed licensed open carry.  It included a provision that open carry is not probable cause for arrest.  The concern was that texas police would arrest any black person carrying a gun.  That provision has been eliminated from the bill and both houses of the Texas legislature pass the bill on Friday. Gov. Greg Abbott tweeted, “Open Carry just passed in both the Texas House & Senate. Next destination: My Pen.

 

John – I know I have teased my fellow podcast Rachel Malone about how North Carolina is ahead of Texas on this. We have had unlicensed open carry since 1922. That said, I want to recognize all the hard work that she and other gun rights activists put in to make this law a reality. Congratulations to all 2A activists in TX who fought for this.

 

Campus Carry in Texas

A campus carry bill passed the Texas Senate by a 20-11 vote on Saturday. The bill will be taken up by the Texas House on Sunday afternoon. Gov. Abbott has said he will sign the bill when it arrives on his desk.

The bill as passed by the Senate would allow licensed carry holders carry in dorms, classrooms, and public buildings of public universities. A provision to add private universities was eliminated in a conference committee.

While schools will be able to designate their own “gun free zones”, it will be limited.

State Sen. Brian Birdwell, R-Granbury, said his legislation would allow for “very limited, reasonable prohibitions” on handguns in certain locations on university property.

He said his intent was that public college campuses would be as “permissive and accessible” as possible to handgun license holders and that universities would be as “specific and as minimalistic as possible” in defining restricted areas.

Break??? Yes

 

Rob-

Concealed Carrier Has Pistol Seized and Disassembled and Placed in Trunk.
A Coral Gables, Florida policeman noticed a CCW License, freaked out, seized the pistol, disassembled it, and placed it in the trunk. And his chief see nothing wrong with it.

 

A man and his family were driving through Coral Gables when they were pulled over for exceeding the 15 MPH speed limit. The cop notice the CCW License when getting the Driver’s License. His reaction was completely without justification. He order the driver to freeze and the officer reached in and removed the pistol from the driver’s holster. The pistol was finally returned, disassembled, in the trunk. The driver is sure he was treated as a criminal. And his police chief feels the deputy did nothing wrong.

 

Marion Hammer, executive director of the Unified Sportsmen of Florida and past-president of the National Rifle Association, disagrees. “I believe this incident involves an illegal search — without provocation — of a law abiding citizen duly licensed to carry a concealed weapon,” Eric Friday, the general counsel for Florida Carry, Inc. also has issues with the constitutionality of the search. Friday was not surprised by the allegations.

 

Friday reiterated that no driver in Florida has a duty to tell police when they are armed. “Because of repeated instances such as you are describing to me, I no longer recommend that to people today,” Friday said. “I changed my position because of misconduct such as this. … I strongly believe it’s time for the legislature to create specific penalties that apply when the rights of concealed-carry licensees are abused, or this will continue unabated.”

 

It’s a sad state of affairs when the cops mistrust and fear their obvious ally.

 

Anti-Gun Professor Dismisses California Gun Violence Restraining Orders
We’ve met anti-gun UCLA Law professor Adam Winkler before: the blog Not One More Gun Law fisked his inane HuffPo article Ferguson: With So Many Guns in America, Police Are Trained to Live in Fear. He pushes the standard snake-oil of universal background checks and scary gun bans. So it was a little surprising when he dismissed the new California Gun Violence Restraining Orders as ineffective.

 

Last year, California instituted Gun Violence Restraining Orders allowing associates and law enforcement to immediately strip a citizen’s 2nd Amendment rights with nothing more than an allegation. Patterned after the much-abused Domestic Violence Restraining Orders, the GVROs are a clear threat to California citizen’s embattled rights. A bill to punish false allegations was soundly defeated in the legislature.

The National Journal found that GVROs would not have stopped recent mass shootings. In their report, Winkler is quoted, “The truth is that it is very rare to know in advance when someone is going to be dangerous with a firearm. This is not going to make a huge dent in our gun violence statistics.”  Seems like even this stopped clock is right for once.

 

Loretta Lynch’s DOJ Will Move Forward With a Dozen Anti-Gun Regulations

The Obama administration’s Department of Justice will move forward with a dozen new anti-gun regulations The Hill reported. These proposed rules are to be enacted in the waning years of Obama’s term.

According to The Hill, the new regulations range from restrictions on high-powered pistols to gun storage requirements. There will be a renewed effort to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable or have been convicted of domestic abuse. There are rising concerns that the administration will try to disqualifying as many people as possible from gun ownership; people who may have had a problem at some time in their past, regardless of their current behaviour.

 

John Lott reports the media’s coming support of these efforts has been telegraphed by Columbia University’s weekend workshop for journalists. Fifteen of the panel’s seventeen “experts” were allegedly gun control advocates. Apparently, journalism that presents both sides of the story is long gone. Gun Safety is likely to be the media theme, a more palatable, disingenuous description of anti-gun efforts. The workshop promised a range of biased anti-rights talking points, ignoring much of the benefits and realities of an armed populace.

It’s been said many times before, but the remaining months of Obama’s reign are likely to be the most dangerous ever to the Constitution as a whole and the Right To Keep and Bear Arms specifically.

 

House Bill To Require Gun Owners To Carry Liability Insurance
One of Bloomberg’s Useful Idiots: NY Rep Carolyn Maloney has introduced a bill to require the nation’s gun owners to carry liability insurance. The Firearm Risk Protection Act, would require gun buyers to have liability insurance before being allowed to purchase a firearm, fining any owner $10,000 if found not to have it. Service members and law enforcement officers would be exempt from the requirement.
It should be obvious that requiring a citizen to purchase a service from a private entity before exercising a Protected Right strains the limits of the Constitution and common sense. Poor inner city residents most in need would be economically prevented from exercising their right to self-defense. This is far from Maloney’s first anti-gun initiative. Just last week we discussed her proposed bill requiring each gun purchase to be reported to the Attorney General.  Maloney and her puppet-master Bloomberg are clearly no friends of the Constitution.

 

John – I hate to add this but Maloney is a North Carolina native who went to New York City seeking fame, fortune, and gun control.

 

The New Nationwide Crime Wave: The Ferguson Effect

It’s been a rough ten months since the justifiable shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. And It looks like it’s going to get worse. In a Wall Street Journal commentary, the impacts of the growing anti-police sentiments of the black activists, media and Progressive politician’s are examined. Called the Ferguson Effect, it documents the restrictions on the police and the resulting dramatic increase in crime.

 

As we in the gun-rights community well know, politicians typically respond to notorious crimes and events by punishing the law-abiding. The Ferguson Effect is much of the same. After a string of highly publicized black deaths by police, usually when the suspect has resisted arrest, there has been a slew of anti-police efforts. Police have been facing new rules, regulations and policies, DOJ consent decrees, community organizers and politicized civilian review boards, all under the highly biased microscope of the media.

 

The assault on policing has resulted in a destruction of police morale. The officers realize that any interaction with a suspect, no matter how warranted, may end up destroying their lives and family. Proactive policing, typified by the very effect “Broken Window” policies, is gone, and crime has jumped. Rates of murder, assaults, and burglaries, have increased dramatically, in some neighborhoods as much as 500%. The decades long decrease in crime appears to be ending.

Unfortunately, the immediate victims of the rising urban violence are the poor of the  inner city. Their ability to live safely and climb out of that morass will be threatened by the empowered criminals. But have no fear, the violence will not stay in the ghetto: everyone must be vigilant. Further compounding their errors, politicians will take advantage of the increasing crime rates to push for the usual ineffective gun restrictions.

 

Read the attached article in the show notes, it is well worth your time. And prepare and be aware. It’s an increasingly dangerous world out there.

 

Gun Quote  (who?)

How strangely will the tools of a tyrant pervert the plain meaning of words.  Samuel Adams.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

Paul-

Woman Injured Defending Her Home

A 51-year-old woman was shot defending the occupants of her home from three armed and masked attackers. The three attackers burst through the Townsend, Delaware home and demanded money. One of the occupants was roughed up by an invader. The woman shot at an armed intruder and suffered a shot to the leg in the exchange of gunfire. The invaders fled, it is not known if any was injured. She and the roughed-up young man are in the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

 

Sometimes the cost of self-defense can be high – but worth it, especially when four lives are in the balance.

 

Intruder Shot By Woman

A Trenton, New Jersey woman was forced to defend her life with a gun. A jilted lover broke into her house and she shot him in the thigh. The lovesick and ventilated Jemoine Morris was picked up by police and taken to the hospital. He has been charged with criminal mischief. As of now, the woman has not been charged, but the New Jersey investigation is ongoing.

 

Cabby Fights Back

A Sebastian, Florida cab driver is alive and well after being held at knifepoint by two would-be robbers thanks to being armed. The two men had hailed the cab on early Saturday morning and then held a knife on the driver as they attempted to rob him. The cabby drew his handgun and shot one of the men. After the shooting, both men fled the scene. However, police were able to follow the blood trail and find them. The cabby identified the wounded man as the one who had held the knife on him. The wounded man was given medical assistance but died on his way to the hospital.

 

Wrong Movers

Two guys were helping a third guy move into his new Aurora, Colorado condo on Friday night. They were approached by three juveniles who attempted to rob the men at  gunpoint. As two of the men started to pull out their wallets, the third man pulled out his handgun and shot all three of the robbers. One juvenile died after being taken to the hospital, another is in serious condition, and a third was arrested on unrelated charges after he sought treatment for a shoulder wound at Aurora South Hospital. The movers were questioned by police and prosecutors and released without any charges.

 

Car Thief Held At Gunpoint

From listener John comes a tale of modern jurisprudence. Tye Wiegel was interrupted in the pursuit of his trade by a Willimantic, Connecticut resident.  Mr. Wiegel was attempting to steal the man’s car, parked in front of the man’s house. Wiegel declined to cease his attempts, so the resident went into his house, grabbed a handgun, and held the slow-on-the-uptake thief at gunpoint for the police.

Ol’ Tye is well known to the police and is said to be a heroin addict, no surprise there. Police stated that “This is not our first time dealing with him with car break-ins. He was just arrested not too long ago. He was also a suspect in a car break-in earlier today,” He has been charged with sixth-degree larceny, criminal attempt to commit the crime and second-degree breach of peace. For all that, he is held on only a $5,000 bond. Listeners are invited to speculate on how long this one man crime wave will remain behind bars.

 

Police said the homeowner was not hurt but cautioned other residents against confronting criminals.

Surviving a Home Invasion

Many of our DGUs involve home invasions. Unfortunately, home takeovers are becoming increasingly common as thieves become more brazen and violent.  With the home invasion, kidnapping, extortion, torture and murder of the Savopoulous family in Washington, DC, the Statfor Group has written an excellent article on Surviving a Home Invasion. The article is being offered free to non-subscribers. There is no way we could do this article justice trying to summarize it in a few words, so we urge every one of our listeners to follow the link in the show notes and read this potentially life-saving article.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Alan emailed this one in with the subject line “Holding a bad guy at gunpoint”

 

Hi,

 

Let me start by thanking you for your podcast.  I listen to several different podcasts on a variety of topics, but I rank yours among the most anticipated each week.

 

From time to time someone mentions holding a bad guy at gunpoint until the police arrive. The question I have is how do you do that?  If I were the sort of person who makes a living divesting other people of their possessions, and I were to encounter an armed person not inclined to be a victim, I believe I would simply turn my back, raise my hands in the air and say in a loud clear voice “I’m going to walk away now, I’m not a threat to you.  If you shoot me you will be convicted of murder, if you try to stop me or even touch me you will be convicted of assault.  In either case you will also end up in civil court where me or my family will sue you for everything you and your family have or ever will have.  I’m leaving now, and you would be stupid to try to stop me.” In fact, based on recent news coverage, you could almost make the same speech to a Police Officer.

 

What do you think?

 

Alan Hammock

formerly of Houston, Texas

recently moved to Virginia.

 

PS, If you ever get tired of listening to podcasts, I suggest checking out librivox.org.  They have a catalog of hundreds, maybe thousands of books that have passed into the public domain, which are read by volunteers and available free of charge.  Jules Verne, Edger Rice Burrows, all the books you were supposed to read in high school literature class, books by authors you’ve never heard of, etc.  Most books date back to the early 1900’s or before. It is quite educational listening to hundred year old books and hearing the different attitudes and cultures of the past.  Its a wonderful resource for anyone who spends a lot of time in an activity which would benefit by the addition of mental stimulation.

 

Paul – Here is what I wrote back to Alan –

 

Hey Alan,

 

Thanks for writing in!  I just got home and have added your email to our show notes for Sunday’s show.

 

A few thoughts on your email, I will of course repeat these on the show.

 

#1 if they do stop what they are doing and slowly back away, you are correct that since they aren’t a threat that you could be convicted of murder if you do shoot. However there are a few circumstance where you are morally obligated to shoot a retreating felon EVEN if the threat has stopped. If you attend a MAG40 class this will be discussed. Let me just say that the chances are so remote to the extreme to be say while the chances are not 0 they are close.

 

#2 Holding someone at gunpoint is all about control and command.  Believe me that if I were to boost my voice out good and loud in the proper tone that I can make someone absolutely believe that if they twitch in the wrong way that I am able and prepared to shoot them.

 

#3 We need to differentiate the severity of what you are attempting to stop (or in the case of our conversation have just stopped). If they have just kicked down your door and have maybe stolen something… Let them go. If they have already killed, that is another story.

 

There really is no black and white here.

 

Finally on the point of police, you do seem to have a point with that considering all of the negative publicity in the mainstream media lately, however I really wouldn’t want to be the one to try it.  😉

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/more-lethal-help-from-the-federal-government/

There were 27 shootings in Baltimore over the Memorial day weekend. 19 people were robbed in New York City’s central park. Chicago had 12 people shot to death and an additional 47 shot and wounded over the same weekend.  Our oh-so-caring politicians had to show sympathy for this flood of blue-city blood.  Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, called for more gun control.

 

I pointed out that the violence is the symptom, not a cause.  The cause is the failed policies of deep-blue cities like Baltimore,  Detroit, New York City and Chicago.  You can’t fix stupid with gun-control.

 

I also spoke to a friend of mine.  He is a local spark plug and gets things started and done.  He started one step at a time, so I wrote an article called The Painless Ladder of Self-Defense Activism.

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/31/the-painless-ladder-of-self-defense-activism/

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money you would like to talk about?

 

I just want to mention a short post I did about the Brady Center lawyers on a case in Wisconsin. They have already had to withdraw from one case because they violated pre-trial publicity rules of the Wisconsin Bar. Now it looks like they will have to withdraw from another case in Milwaukee over the same issue. Their conduct is being alleged to be prejudicial to a fair jury. It looks like another misstep by the Bad Apple lawyers from the Brady Center.

 

This and other posts can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 24th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with John Pierce about Washington DC gun owners taking a step toward concealed carry.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we finally get a chance to talk with our own Rachel Malone about her progress supporting open carry legislation in Texas.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s, a neighbor did more than be a good witness, he saved his neighbor next door from an ongoing attack and abduction. Of course the good guy had a firearm and a concealed carry permit.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 330 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

John – Last weekend, I went to a family reunion. I got to see cousins whom I hadn’t seen in 30 years or more. Afterwards, we took time to visit the cemetery in which my dad and my grandparents were buried. Being this is Memorial Day weekend, I want to recognize those who served our country and died in its service. I think it is important to remember these men and women. My dad didn’t die while on active duty but did have to take a medical retirement due to non-combat health issues. I do think he had a reduced life span due to the stresses of his service as have many other veterans.

 

On the firearms front, I added a Spanish FR-8 to the collection thanks to Ken S., a fellow NC gunny, I met through Facebook. The FR-8 is a Mauser 98 design adopted by Spain in the 1950s. Given they didn’t have enough CETME auto rifles, some Spanish soldiers were issued these rifles which had some of the same features as the CETME including being in the 7.62 Nato caliber.

 

Gary- Shot the AR and the Para with no malfunctions.

 

Rob– It has been a while.  It is good to hear you again.  I shot the chiappa rhino revolver when I was down in Louisiana.  I bought and shot the Browning 1911-22 for my students with small hands.  (use of external safties) Competed in two IDPA matches.  One with my 1911 and the second with my Glock 19.  That was fun and I learned a lot.  John, I added the slightly extended magazine release and slide release to my 19.  I like the combat sights.  Thank you for those suggestions.

 

Got my concealed carry permit from Arizona.  I also had two awards at a dinner we had with the San Diego Chapter of Gun Owners of California.  One was a service award.  They also had a shooting simulator at the banquet. I won a T-shirt for having the best time that hour.  In fact I was the third or fourth fastest shooter competing, but sometimes it pays to be lucky and shoot after the rush.

 

I was on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady.  I’ll be on his show again next Friday to talk about one of my blog articles.  I also finished a book by gun blogger Jim Curtis.  I finished the first book in his Grey Man series.

 

Susan-   Didn’t take the Beyond Concealed Carry class, but got to meet Bob and Ben and went to dinner. Getting ready for the renaissance festival.

 

Paul – Took the Beyond Concealed Carry enhanced class. Had a great time and and learned a bunch. I want to thank Bob Mayne and Ben Branam for coming up and teaching and everyone who attended.  (I want to talk a little point shooting here.)

 

Problems replacing the magazine while in the holster. If you have a failure don’t quit moving! (Jamming drill while in static line)

 

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Break

Seg 2- News

 

-A federal judge said Washington DC is again breaking the law.  A year ago DC was told its laws denying concealed carry were unconstitutional.  Then the city passed permit regulations that were so restrictive only one person in four thousand would be granted a concealed carry permit.  Judge  Frederick J. Scullin Junior said that was probably illegal and issued an injunction against DC’s regulations.  Quoting Judge Scullin,

 

“The District of Columbia’s arbitrary ‘good reason’/’proper reason’ requirement.. goes far beyond establishing.. reasonable restrictions. Rather, for all intents and purposes, this requirement makes it impossible for the overwhelming majority of law-abiding citizens to obtain licenses to carry handguns in public for self-defense, thereby depriving them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms.” End quote

 

It is unusual for a judge to issue a preliminary injunction.  The case isn’t out of court yet, but it is a small step towards recognizing the right of self-defense for DC citizens.. and for visitors to DC.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/federal-judge-says-dc-gun-carry-law-is-unconstitutional/

DC Police chief Cathy Lanier said of the ruling “It’s not a huge impact for us. We haven’t had a huge number of applicants,” Chief Lanier said during an interview Tuesday on NewsTalk with Bruce Depuyt. “Our residents have been pretty clear this is not something that they wanted. A very small number of D.C. residents have applied for concealed carry.”

 

Rob- people are the same.

 

-Besides hearing cases for the district of columbia, Judge Scullin hears cases for the northern district of New York.  Before he became a lawyer and a judge, Judge Scullin served active duty with the United States Army as a paratrooper, airborne ranger, and as an infantry commander with the 173rd Airborne Brigade in the Republic of Vietnam.  What do you think Judge Scullin might do to the New York SAFE act and the concealed carry laws in New York City?

 

-We have another court case to talk about.  The US Supreme Court in an unanimous decision said someone convicted of a crime may sell their guns to a third party so long as the accused never takes possession or control of the firearms.  The case started when a border patrol agent was convicted of smuggling drugs.  The FBI seized the agents guns, and then refused to sell them to a third party.  The court said the FBI acted illegally and that they must release the firearms for sale or transfer.  I guess some parts of the government have to obey the law after all.

http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/breaking-supreme-court-issues-decision-on-felons-gun-rights/

 

-We received news that United Parcel Service recently changed its policies.  UPS will no longer ship silencers.. even to FFL licensees.  This has always struck me as bizarre.  The US outlaws the same mufflers that are required for hunting in other countries.  We restrict mufflers that are sold over the counter in Europe.  Until our government comes to its senses, check how you ship your silencers.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/ups-refuses-to-ship-firearms-suppressors-used-for-hearing-protection/#axzz3aMQOUmRf

 

-We’ve seen some state legislatures pass new firearms restrictions.  That is why we have to ask if background checks work at all?  Last week was national law enforcement week.  Of all the officers shot and killed last year, half of them were shot by felons who were prohibited from having a firearm.  The criminals used stolen guns so the thugs never went through a background check.  Criminals simply don’t obey the law.  If background checks don’t stop criminals, then who is inconvenienced and perhaps deterred from buying a firearm?  Gun laws only inconvenience honest gun owners.  Is that failure a flaw in the law.. or is it a feature that was designed in from the start?

http://www.examiner.com/article/question-for-antis-how-do-you-background-checks-on-stolen-guns

 

Gary- I can hear it now.  Some fool is saying we should pass a law requiring criminals to obey the law.

Rob- The anti-rights politicians want to leave my family at risk so that crime pays.. and then the politicians want the police to fight crime.

 

-We have another story about a proposed gun law that won’t work.  New Jersey Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman is 70 years old.  She is a Democrat and was elected last year.  She introduced a bill in congress to restrict the sale of ammunition online.  The bill requires you to buy ammunition from federally licensed ammunition dealers.  It requires these dealers to confirm the identify of their customers with a photo identification.  It also requires the dealers to tell the US attorney general if anyone purchases more than 1,000 rounds within five consecutive days.

 

Rob- I typically order large lots of ammunition to reduce their shipping costs.  Do I become a terrorist of the month?

 

This bill will do nothing to stop crime or terrorism.   A terrorist can simply buy 100 rounds a day for days on end.. or buy from several different distributors.  In addition, our borders are wide open and millions of people and millions of pounds of drugs cross the border each year.  Smuggling ammunition to criminals would never be noticed.  Congresswoman Coleman’s bill has not chance of passage, but it will earn her campaign dollars from Bloomberg.

http://bearingarms.com/new-jersey-democrat-pushes-federal-ammunition-registration-scheme/

 

Rob- Could Obama impose this with an executive order?

 

Break –  I want to run the GRNC audio here  Let’s talk a bit about it before we run it.

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Democrats Urge Background Checks on All Guns Sold At Gun Shows

Some of Bloomberg’s other useful idiots have reintroduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act. This old bill once again claims to close the nonexistent gun show loophole by requiring background checks on all gun purchases. However, this bill hides a devious twist: it requires the transfer to be reported to the US Attorney General. That’s the office once controlled by Eric Holder, now under Loretta Lynch, that has become one of the most politicized and lawless of the federal government.

 

This bill, like the Jersey Democrat’s bill to create a database of ammunition purchasers, is part of the push by anti-gun Democrats to identify the armed citizen. The reasons behind their efforts must be chilling for those that still believe in the Bill of Rights. Please contact your Representative and urge a no vote on this insanity.

 

John – I’m ashamed to say Carolyn Maloney is a NC native.

 

-Our friend Jeff Knox pointed out that the impossible has happened.  The media tells us that gun owners are both dangerous AND impotent.  We’re called dangerous gun nuts who could kill hundreds of people.  We’re also told that a citizen with a discretely carried handgun is powerless to stop a violent criminal or terrorist.  Jeff points out where the impossible happens time and again.  It happened in Garland, and Chicago, and at the New Life Church in Colorado, and at dozens of other examples of firearms used for self-defense.  It IS possible to stop violent criminals, stop terrorists and stop deranged individuals bent on hurting innocent people.  That is to meet the attacker with deadly force. While a handgun is not the best option in a pitched gun battle, there’s an old saying that the best gun in a gunfight is the one you have, because the gun you don’t have is not going to do you any good.   Jeff’s article is up at World Net Daily.  The link is in our show notes.  http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/more-fairytales-guns-used-to-save-lives/#29JOXC3y88wISmvk.99

 

-Some of the media understands firearms.  Author Katie Pavlich writes at Town Hall.  Katie reports on a very liberal Texas woman who bought a gun.  The Texas lady made her choice to own a  gun because of two factors: Personal security and fun.  The liberal Texan had five burglaries at her home.  The break ins cost more than money; they stole her piece of mind.  To quote her, I would wake each time a squirrel ran the perimeter of my backyard fence, convinced someone was coming for me. My dreams were all of victimization, or revenge.  Close quote.

 

Then she bought a gun, and everything changed. First, she was shamed by her fellow liberals when they found out she was a gun owner.  Second, she also felt safe living in her home again.  The gun resting on her nightstand became her sleep aid.  We could have told her, but I glad she learned before she was injured.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/05/22/a-liberal-woman-admits-she-has-a-gun-and-its-awesome-n2002120

 

Gary- This is the power of taking someone shooting.  Their own experience pushes away the media myths.

Rob- I’m interested that her liberal tolerant friends wouldn’t tolerate her owning a gun.

 

Feral Youth

A Brooklyn McDonald’s was the scene of an attack that is unfortunately becoming too common. A pack of youths turned on a man trying to break up a fight between two girls. To shouts of KILL HIM!, twenty to forty school-aged teens beat and kicked the man, putting him into the hospital with life-threatening injuries. Several McDonald’s employees and another man were also assaulted. The attack was recorded by a boy shouting “Kill him right now!” and laughing. He posted the scene on Facebook, where it went viral.

No arrests have been made. Community activists are, of course, appalled, as required by their trade.  A Brooklyn mother said she’s disgusted and scared for her children. “To see something like that … it’s scary.”

It is scary – especially to someone who may be faced with a pack of these feral youths. Be aware, plan ahead – and avoid places where these types of kids congregate.

 

-Here is some good news from Oklahoma.  The legislature recently passed a law allowing trained school staff to carry on campus.  The bill’s sponsor was Representative Jeff Coody.  He said, “..the thinking has always been that if we eliminate guns, it makes it a safer place. The only problem is you cannot eliminate those (people) who are not willing to comply with the law. A gun-free zone is a target(…), a soft target.”  Representative Coody’s bill was supported by the Professional Oklahoma Educators.  These educators said the bill quote “(gives) options to school districts to protect their students.We cannot play games anymore. These are the lives of our children.” close quote.  The bill passed in the Oklahoma Senate by a vote of 40 to 5 and it passed the House by a vote of 82 to 12  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/21/oklahoma-legalizes-arming-teachers-and-staff-on-school-campuses/

 

Rob-  That is great news because of the reason they passed the bill.

Paul- It sounds like Oklahoma is catching up with Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, South Dakota and Wisconsin.

 

-There is more good news from Minnesota.  Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton signed several pro-rights bills into law.  At first the governor threatened not to sign these bills.  These bills had bipartisan support and the governor signed them.

 

  • Minnesota now recognizes concealed carry permits from several other states.  It now has reciprocity with 15 other states up from only 4 states.  That includes North Dakota citizens with a class-one permit.
  • They legalized firearms mufflers so gun owners can both own mufflers and use them for hunting or sport shooting.
  • They allow carry permit holders to bring handguns into the state Capitol area without requesting permission in advance.  In this case the Capital included a ten block by ten block area, but not anymore.
  • These new laws restricted the government’s ability to seize firearms from the public after a state emergency is declared.  This limits the ability of the police to seize firearms unless the person is arrested … and an arrest requires probable cause.
  • They allowed the purchase of long guns from any state.

Congratulations to Minnesota gun owners and the MInnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance.  Well done. http://www.keyc.com/story/29135382/gov-dayton-signs-public-safety-bill-containing-controversial-gun-provisions

 

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-A similar law passed last week in Florida.  Florida Governor Rick Scott signed a bill allowing Florida residents to carry concealed firearms –without a permit– during an emergency evacuation.  This permitless carry lasts for 48 hours. The 48-hour period may be extended per the governor.

 

-Laws matter.  Chicago politicians created gun-free zones.  Chicago politicians created drug prohibition.  Chicago politicians crushed industry with high taxes and regulations.  That is a well known recipe for disaster.  49 people were shot last weekend in Chicago.  I’m sorry. http://gunsnfreedom.com/gun-control-fail-chicago-had-49-shot-over-past-weekend/5138

 

-We have two more judicial rulings to report.  The first said that legal open carry is not probable cause for a police officer to make an arrest.  The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that open carry is not justification for an officer to stop, arrest, identify and question an individual.  The judge went further.  He said that the officer’s qualified immunity did not extend to detaining an individual who was lawfully open carrying a firearm.  That means officers can be sued and they are personally liable for court costs and damages.  That decision, if it stands, would put some teeth into the law protecting firearms owners.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-bernick/federal-appeals-court-to_b_7284562.html

 

-Listener Anthony Lucafo emailed us the link for this story. A 5th grader is in a bit of trouble in his New Jersey public school. It seems that he brought some ammunition to school. Ammunition for a NERF gun.  While pulling a late slip out of his pocket a foam projectile designed to be fired from a Nerf gun fell to the floor in front of a teacher. This violated the school’s zero tolerance policy for weapons. However as the late Billy Mays would say “but wait theres more!” our young nerf gunslinger had MODIFIED the ammunition! Our young nerf marksman had stuck a toothpick into the round so that it would stick when he fired the round towards the ground! That made the nerf ammo now a “self contained weapon” by the school’s definition. Of course the school immediately moved to expel the obviously dangerous young man, but eventually decided that a 5 day in-school suspension would suffice along with a mark on the student’s “permanent record”

 

Paul – zero tolerance means zero intelligence. It is the single most lazy way to administrate any group.

 

-Let’s end the news on a positive note.  A New Jersey Appellate court ruled that cities in New Jersey may not require added forms from firearm applicants beyond the forms that the state requires.  This is the third such decision from the New Jersey appellate court.  I hope we can now prosecute government officials who unlawfully harass New Jersey firearms applicants with additional paperwork.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/no-added-gun-forms-courts-slaps-down-nj-towns/#axzz3a9uSbGwI

 

Gun Quotes

One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Martin Luther King, Junior, in his letter from Birmingham Jail

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.  We have interviews with Rachel Malone and John Pierce coming up.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Rachel Malone– Licensed open carry passed in both the Texas House and Texas Senate.  Then the senate passed the house bill.  This was the bill Rachel was working on for the last four years.  The Senate passed an amendment so open carry is not probable cause.  One concern was racial profiling of open carriers.

Does it include a provision that removes qualified immunity if a police officer arrests someone who is openly carrying?

This open carry bill may require confirmation in the Texas House.

Thank Don Huffines.  Tell him we have his back.

The bill would take effect 1 Jan 2016.

Some Senators will take credit, but will deny they let the bill sit.

They will claim that open carry barely passed, so constitutional carry is out of reach.  We’ll bring constitutional carry when the legislature meets again in two years.

 

Rachel has been working with her younger brothers and homeschooling them.  She has been busy with 40 hours of music rehearsal.  Summer break starts in a few weeks.

Rachel missed the zombie run.  She hopes to run it in the fall.

 

John Pierce on DC ruling

The law offices of John Pierce

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

So You Woke Up Stupid This Morning?

“Honestly: That is one less guy I got to worry about bothering my mom when she’s out grocery shopping,” That’s how an Atlanta resident summed up his use of a firearm to stop a robbery.  He had pulled into a store’s parking space when a scruffy 61-year-old man slipped into the passenger seat and announced the car-jacking. The victim pulled his firearm and held the perp facedown on the asphalt until the police arrived, all the while laying down a line of smack talk. Our favorite: “So you woke up stupid this morning?”  When police arrived, you can see the victim wave them over and put his gun down. The police officer shakes his hand before slapping the cuffs on the suspect.

This textbook, and stylish, DGU was recorded on several cell phones; it’s the 21st Century after all. We add our commendations to this everyday hero – he’s a good son.

 

Armed robber changed his mind and wished concealed carrier a good day.

-A 49 year old concealed carrier had finished his dialysis appointment at a doctor’s office and was on his way to his car. A young man came out of the woods near the clarkston michigan doctors office carrying a revolver and demanded the concealed carrier’s wallet. at this point the concealed carrier drew his own gun and asked the 20 year old hispanic male “do you really want to do this?” The would be armed robber told his intended victim to “have a nice day”, then turned and ran back into the woods.

 

-A Pennsylvania woman was abducted and assaulted by her ex-boyfriend for over 20 hours.  The woman escaped and ran outside at about 10 in the morning.  Fortunately, neighbors heard the victim scream when she was attacked again in her backyard.  Rather than simply be a good witness, one neighbor grabbed his handgun and stopped the attack.  Neighbors moved the victim to the front yard to wait for an ambulance.  The attacker was held at gunpoint until police arrived.  The attacker was charged with Criminal Trespass, burglary, and Attempted Homicide.  The gun owner said he would do the same thing again in a heartbeat with no second thoughts and no reservations.  He has his concealed carry permit.

http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carrier-rescues-hostage-captures-naked-attacker/

 

-A man broke into a Memphis home at two in the morning.  The family woke up when they heard breaking glass.  The homeowner grabbed his gun.  When he found the intruder standing inside his home, the homeowner shot the intruder in the head.  The intruder was taken to the hospital in critical condition.  Police have not filed any charges against the homeowner.

http://bearingarms.com/memphis-home-invader-stopped-homeowner-gun/

 

-We’ve all heard the joke about criminals failing the victim selection process.  Well this is one of those stories.  Two men tried his carjack a doctor in Jackson, Mississippi.  The doctor was getting ready to attend a shooting competition and was loading up his truck.  The doctor was taken by surprise.  He was ordered at gunpoint to drive to a nearby bank and withdraw some cash.  The doctor complied, but was able to grab one of his handguns.  He shot and killed one of his attackers.  The other attacker fled on foot.  The shooter had the presence of mind to neither pursue a fleeing criminal nor shoot him as he fled.

http://www.kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2015/05/thugs-try-to-rob-competitive-shooter.html

 

Another Triumph For California’s Legal System

What can you say to a Redding, California woman who was forced to defend herself against a likely armed sex offender, freshly paroled from a weapons charge, wearing a GPS bracelet, probably high on an illegal substance, who had just escaped from deputies holding him at gunpoint? You can only shake your head at the awesome effectiveness of the California legal system.

 

Parolee Dillon Carmelo escaped deputies by reaching into his clothing as if he was going for a gun and fleeing into the neighborhood’s backyards. The deputies informed those nearby of the dangerous felon on the loose. Against the advice of California’s elite, resident Jennifer Doolittle armed herself and went into the backyard to get her dogs inside. There, she was confronted by Carmelo, who popped over a fence and moved toward her acting as if he was reaching for a weapon.

 

Doolittle fired several times, striking Carmelo and stopping the attack. Carmelo continued to struggle until subdued by a Sheriff’s K-9. It is not known at this time if the woman will be charged. A civil suit is almost a certainty.

Several of the Polite Society’s staff can attest to California’s collapsing catch-and-release legal system. It’s why we urge every citizen to be armed, trained and aware. It’s also a big part of why California wants desperately to disarm it’s citizens.

 

Break

 

Don’t torque off the old guy part 1
A 77 year old homeowner was in the shower recently when he heard strange noises. He got out of the shower to see what was going on and came face to face with 2 burglars. Apparently our guud guy had a handgun close to him in the shower as he exchanged gunfire with the burglars killing one and the other was sent to the hospital, but the condition of the second bad guy wasn’t known. One boy next door became concerned and called his father. The youngster told his dad that there were police everywhere and he had locked himself in the house. Another neighbor told reporters that she had recently been a victim of a burglary and had lost $80,000 in jewelry. The neighbor said of the homeowner who defended himself  “I think he’s 100 percent correct,They went to burglarize his house. And it’s not the first time he was burglarized.”

 

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys (Plural/ Nonsexist) part 2

Once again, we bring you a Tale of the Old Guys. Showing that it’s important to work together in a marriage as well as in a self defense situation, a couple of retirees successfully fought off two armed attacker at their Thomaston, Georgia home. Only a month before they had endured a home-invasion where they were tied-up and robbed at gunpoint. It seems that assault only made them mad — and ready for the next attack.

 

When the wife opened the garage door in the morning, the same two suspects ran at her from the nearby woods, waiving handguns. The Old Gal drew her own gun and whistled a couple of rounds at the suspects. The Old Guy ran to the porch and added his own fire against the suddenly unenthusiastic robbers, who reversed course with all due haste.

Kashif Mohammad, 20, and Daitrelle Saffo, 21, were arrested exiting the woods. They are facing a slew of felony charges, including Armed Robbery and Kidnapping. It is certain they’ll remember one critically important lesson: Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy — and Gal.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion No email this week, but I ran across this story that is somewhat related to our struggle. What if you called 911 and no one came AT ALL? http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=29060#.VWICK0_BzGf

 

A truck driver is involved in a  sideswipe accident. gets the truck under control and rolls to a stop almost a mile down the road. He calls 911 and reports the incident and complains of heart attack like symptoms No one responded to his 911 call. Nine hours later he is found by a driver that works for the same company.

 

-Also before we go to blog posts I want to encourage our listeners to call their Senators and DEMAND that they let the current version of the so-called patriot act die. The current funding for Big Brother is listening is ending at the end of this month and RINO Mitch Mcconnell is fighting hard for reauthorization. There has never been any evidence that any of this debacle has helped to apprehend 1 single terrorist, or jaywalker for that manner. It is time for it to go call (202) 224-3121, you don’t even have to know who your senators are, just the state you live in. (if you don’t know your state might we suggest that you live in the state of confusion and you can see the doc for meds for that.)

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

1- I talked about the twenty thousand gun laws that don’t work, and why Politicians want to write more of them.  Politicians sell themselves in the media as in order to get campaign cash.  https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/prohibiting-firearms-for-political-profit/

 

2- Gary, you had your mom on the show.  She and Doris Montrose inspired me to write an article.  Supporting the right of armed self-defense is not a black and white issue.  You don’t jump from hating every gun owner to lobbying for firearms rights.  I counted about twenty steps in between.  Changing someone’s mind is moving them by one small step.. but first you have to listen to them to know what they believe. https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/how-to-change-minds-about-self-defense/

 

The articles are up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and at slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog  you would like to talk about?

 

Since the last show, the issue of ridding North Carolina of our pistol purchase permit system has started to attract a lot of attention. The gun prohibitionists along with the NC Sheriffs Association are fighting to keep the law. Bloomberg is funding a media campaign to keep the law. I wrote a somewhat provocative post entitled, “If you support a law based on racism, are you a racist?” There is no question that the law mandating pistol permits was drafted with the intent to keep African-Americans unarmed and subservient to the white, segregationist Democrat power structure of NC. My conclusion is that supporting a law based upon such heinous intent does make you at least a little bit racist.

 

My blog can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Rachel and JOhn Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 329 – Mother’s Day

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 10th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a rock star who says we need to fight back against ISIS terrorists.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and for Mother’s Day we will talk to my mom. so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 329 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

John – I played hooky on Friday afternoon and went to our local Wildlife Resources Commission range. I got to test out my new ultra-lightweight AR-15 and my Ruger LC9s Pro You do have more felt recoil with a very lightweight AR but it was not objectionable. Even during rapid fire, I was able to stay on target easily. I did run into some trouble with the feed with the magazines. PMags were generally fine but I had trouble getting the first round to feed with the GI-type mags. After the first round feed, then no more trouble. As for the Ruger LC9s, I ran a box of ammo through it without any failures. I still have some more to go before it has passed the reliability test for being a carry gun. As I wasn’t shooting for accuracy but reliability, I’ll have to leave how accurate it is until a later report. I will say that I love the trigger.

 

End of pers news segment – Paul – I have had ownership of GP2AS.com and the corresponding facebook page for a while and just do not have the time to give them. I am not looking to sell them, I am looking for someone to take them over. I want to be clear, there are expenses to the website and if you offer to take over YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE. Email me if you would be interested in taking over those domains.

 

Also I would like to remind our listeners that we are trying to raise money for some additional equipment to live stream GRPC 2015 in Phoenix. We have a go-fund-me page set up and are about halfway to our goal, but it is getting closer and we haven’t been mentioning it lately..

 

http://www.gofundme.com/fg2dhw

 

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Seg 2- News


The Who’s Pete Townshend Won’t Get Fooled Again

Us old farts now have one more reason to like Pete Townshend, guitarist of the long-running supergroup: the Who.

 

On the eve of the Who’s 50th anniversary tour, Rolling Stone asked Townshend about the threat of Islamic radicals. The rockstar related; “I do think it’s very important that we keep our ammunition ready. I do feel there is nothing to worry about as long as we’re willing to protect ourselves. Whether it comes to our door in a Charlie Hebdo scenario or in a 9/11 scenario, we need to keep calm and to honor our own sense of values and justice and law and the way that we want to live.”

Townshend also called Huff Post’s Arianna Huffington “A dimwitted woman.”

It’s obvious that Pete Townshend Won’t Get Fooled Again.

 

John – I wonder if his “Shotgun will sing the song”?

 

Federal Judge Throws Out SAF Challenge to Washington’s I-594

A Federal judge has thrown out the Second Amendment Foundation’s lawsuit challenging Washington’s Bloomberg inspired Universal Registration scheme. I-594 is a poorly written law, designed to confuse the law-abiding and potentially criminalize the everyday use of firearms. There is no agreement in the law-enforcement arena on how this vague law should be enforced, if at all.

 

The George W. Bush appointed judge did quite a few legal pirouettes in declaring that the plaintiffs had no standing. The plaintiffs were denied standing as they were not being prosecuted or at immediate risk of prosecution. The fact that gun owners in Washington were intimately affected by the overbroad law was ignored. By the judge’s logic, a citizen would need to be charged with violating the law before they would have standing in court.

 

Alan Gottlieb, of the Second Amendment Foundation, expects to appeal. “It is mind boggling that a law-abiding citizen evidently must put their civil rights, not to mention their clean criminal record, at risk before a court can rule whether a law is constitutional,” Gottlieb observed. “Because the state has refused to prosecute violators does not diminish the constitutional threat of this law,” he stressed. “This is 2015, not the Dark Ages.”

 

Gottlieb and his legal team will continue to pursue justice in this case.

 

Oregon Prepares to Enact SB 941

Bloomberg’s Universal Registration mischief has surfaced in another state. Oregon’s SB 941, largely based on the anti-gun Colorado and Washington laws, has passed both legislative houses and is now on Governor Kate Brown’s desk. The signature of the hard-left governor is certain, probably only being delayed to arrange the celebratory press event.

It is expected that the Oregon bill will create the same uncertainty and confusion that Bloomberg inflicted on Colorado and Washington. The reaction is also likely to be the same, with lawsuits, protests, recalls, and a political shift toward the right.

 

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Oklahoma May Soon Allow Trained Personnel to Carry in School

Many have noted that salt water seems to cause insanity. This certainly explains coastal Washington, Oregon, California, New Jersey and Miguel Gonzalez of Florida. (Hey, Miggy!)

 

Landlocked Oklahoma is exhibiting significant signs of sanity in passing a bill that would allow trained personnel to carry arms on school grounds.  The Oklahoma House voted in favor of legislation allowing a school district’s board of education to designate a school employee to attend an armed security guard training program or reserve peace officer program and pay for the training. The legislation has only to be signed by Governor Mary Fallin for it to become law. The governor has not indicated if she will sign the bill, but she has previously backed gun rights expansion in the state.

 

Hopefully, Sooners will soon be able to actively protect their most important treasures.

 

South Carolina May Be Poised To Enact Permitless Carry

Constitutional Carry is rapidly gaining momentum. South Carolina’s House recently passed a bill on its second reading allowing permitless carry by the margin of 90-18. The bill is likely to pass a third reading, and  then go before the state Senate where it will face challenges. Governor Nikki Haley has said that she would sign a constitutional carry bill, so she would presumably sign a partial reform such as this one.

 

This bill is not constitutional carry, as it does not allow open carry. South Carolina is one of only six states that prohibit open carry.  A powerful Republican Senate committee chair has said that open carry personally offends him. We urge all South Carolinians to tune-up this curmodgeon and immediately contract their other political representatives in support of this bill.

 

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North Carolina’s Demanding Moms Are Worried

Bloomberg’s astroturfing Demanding Moms swept up all the hoary old platitudes when they visited the North Carolina Legislature this week. Their panties are in a wad over a bill to remove the sheriffs’ criminal background checks of pistol permit applicants. The sheriff checks are an unnecessarily expensive step as they duplicate the federal automated NICS background checks.

 

We urge all North Carolinians to immediately contract their political representatives to support HB 562. You might also ask your sheriff why he opposes it..

 

John – I’d like to expand on this a bit. The pistol permit purchase system was put into place in 1919 with a wink and a nod. It was designed to keep undesirables from obtaining handguns. In 1919 North Carolina that meant blacks, union organizers, Yankee carpetbaggers, and the like.

 

ATF accepts the pistol purchase permits as a substitute for the NICS checks. A study in 2013 by the Charlotte Observer showed that there were over 60 people in one county alone who had been issued pistol purchase permits who were now prohibited individuals. The permits are good for 5 years from date of issue and, until 2 years ago, sheriffs were not required to keep track of the people who had been issued them. The objection that some sheriffs have now to ending the permit system – which they won’t admit – is that they will lose a source of revenue separate from what is given them by county governments.

 
Designer of 3-D-Printed Gun Challenges Feds
For a variety of telling reasons, the ability to print out firearms using common 3-D printers and everyday materials has frightened the government.  With his Liberator, Cody Wilson has designed an all plastic gun that could be made in a 3-D printer. Within days of its internet release, the Obama State Department claimed a violation of the International Traffic in Arms Regulations and ordered the plans removed from the website.  Now the government has seized ownership of The Liberator. (Irony, much?)

 

This week, the Second Amendment Foundation has filed a lawsuit against the government charging the violations of  Wilson’s First, Second and Fifth Amendment Rights. The government is engaging in behavior that denies Wilson’s due process. The SAF is compelled to file the action because the bureaucracy is evidently playing games and it’s time for these agencies to behave. SAF also wants to publish the information about three-dimensional printing of firearms on its web site as educational material for its 650,000 members, supporters and general public.

 

Wilson’s goal was to invalidate the government’s “unconstitutional” hold on gun technology. Alan Gottlieb of the SAF contends: “The right to keep and bear arms includes the ability to acquire or create arms. John Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, states that “3-D printers mean an end to any gun control. The government is not going to be able to ban magazines for guns, or ban guns themselves, and the notions of background checks would be even more impossible to do. I understand why government wants to regulate this, but it is too late. Technology moves faster than government.”

 

We wish them Godspeed.

 

Jesse Jackson blames full-auto AK-47s for Chicago Violence

 

Rev. Jesse Jackson, his Rainbow PUSH organization, and the Demanding Mommies held a demonstration outside of Chuck’s Guns in suburban Cook County, Illinois. Between the gun prohibitionists and a counter protest by members of the Illinois State Rifle Association, there were about 100 people there. Jackson blamed the violence in Chicago on full-auto AK-47s and other such full-auto weapons, saying, “There is no place in the city streets for AK47s, there’s no place for full automatic weapons.  Street gangs are more well armed than the police are.”

 

We don’t know where Jesse gets his facts but of the 125 murders year to date in Chicago, none were committed with a full-auto firearm of any sort. We won’t go into the fact that full-auto weapons have been regulated by the National Firearms Act since 1934.

 

Gun Quotes

 

The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword, because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops. — Noah Webster, (1787).

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Garland Texas Policeman Stops Terror Attack

This week saw terror come again to American soil. Two ISIS affiliated terrorists sought to kill hundreds of people expressing their free speech rights by drawing the Prophet Mohammad.  The attack was stopped cold, ended by a policeman with a tremendous amount of bravery and skill — and a commonly available pistol.

 

A sixty-year-old Garland, Texas traffic cop responded to the gunfire that wounded his partner. From the available reports, he advanced into their rifles, wounding one terrorist, killing the second, then shot the first one again as he reached for a backpack possibly containing explosives. Details are very sketchy at this time, but in overhead pictures it’s possible to see the trail of shell casings left as the policeman took the fight to the terrorists.

 

There are lessons aplenty in this incident. It appears now that the dead were not directly sponsored by any foreign terror organization. That is not the good news it may seem. The two were radicalized through social media, choosing to achieve ISIS’ ends on their own. ISIS infected malcontents could appear anywhere across the US in large individual numbers. With ISIS training camps a few miles from the deliberately opened southern border, better arms and training could easily be provided to enhance the skills of those sorry individuals.

ISIS boasts that they have 71 soldiers in 15 different states, with targets in 5. By chance or design, those five states are amongst the most gun restrictive. Concealed carry would be limited there, along with other defensive advantages of the gun culture. Several commentators have noted how much the Garland situation looked like an IPSC stage. Could Texas’ vibrant gun culture have contributed to the success of the gentleman? Would an anti-gun environment have hurt?  We know which way we would bet.

Garland is very much an everyman’s triumph. An aging traffic cop armed with a common Glock pistol defeated two armed and armored terrorists. He is the very definition of the heroes in our Don’t Torque-Off the Old Person series. The skills and equipment to make a difference are well within the grasp of the common man and woman. All of us will need to take them in hand. We need to get armed, frequently train, practice, carry everywhere, and stay alert. There is no telling where we will be when the balloon goes up the next time.

 

Armed Citizen Saves Police Officer
An armed citizen acted to save a police officer being beaten by a dangerous criminal. During a foot chase of a home robbery suspect, the policeman had his baton taken and used against him. The officer was hit on the head as many as twelve times, causing a large gash. Into that desperate situation stepped a citizen, who shouted at the thief to stop. The citizen backed up his demand with a drawn gun.

 

The suspect and his confederate were placed under arrest.  The downed officer was taken to the local hospital. He was later released and is expected to make a full recovery.

 

We certainly commend the civic minded civilian hero for his actions and bravery.

 

Home Invader Shot By Hunter

In a suburb of Boulder, Colorado, a home-invader ignored a really big clue, and paid for his inattention. Roberto Zamora, 19, was stalking the well-to-do neighborhood that night. Several homeowners had already called 911 about his attempts to break into their homes. The house he finally choose for his adventure was odd, as it had a trophy visible to all: a magnificent Elk head mounted high on the wall. Most would have taken this as a clue that the house had a firearm along with someone who knew how to use it. Many robbers would have shied off. Not this criminal.

 

Zamora made his intentions clear by trying to break-in a rear window. The homeowner armed himself while his wife added to the 911 calls to the cops. Zamora reversed his attack and burst through the glass front door. The victim was knocked to the ground, there was a struggle, a shot, and Zamora fell dead with a single bullet wound to the chest.

The homeowner and his wife spoke to 911 again. The owner calmly told the dispatcher he had shot the suspect. “Everything’s fine. You just need to get the cops here.” The victim held onto his gun until told to put it down by the 911 dispatcher. When the cops finally arrived, the owner told them he shot because he feared for his life. The Boulder District Attorney’s Office will determine if the shooting falls under Colorado’s Castle Doctrine, dismissively referred to as the “Make My Day” law by much of the local media.

 

Even in this upscale neighborhood, the cops arrived a lifetime too late. When they did finally arrive, they were simply historians, armed for their own protection. The homeowner’s decision to arm himself possibly — probably — saved him and his wife from serious injury or death at the hands of a seemingly unstable intruder.

 

Police Shoot Victim of Home Invasion

The Initial armed citizen/ police contact is fraught with danger. Especially when shots have been fired and the adrenalin is screaming in everybody’s viens.  A Hollywood, South Carolina homeowner was shot in the neck by responding deputies when he failed to put down the firearm in his hands.

Deputies were called to the home by reports of an ongoing armed home invasion. They observed two cyclist pedalling away from the scene, but naturally focused on the man at the backdoor with a gun. In the first confusing seconds, the man was ordered to drop the gun, and then shot by a deputy when he did not comply. In the ambulance, the homeowner said he had been in a gunfight with two men who escaped on bicycles. He had been on the phone with the 911 operator for about nine minutes, but dropped the line to defend himself. Another 911 call from a woman reported shots fired.

One of the cyclists has been caught and charged with first-degree burglary and attempted murder. The homeowner has been operated on, but his condition is not known at this time.

What is known, that in the chaotic situation that is a self-defense shooting, it’s important to realize that the cops cannot know what is going on or who the players actually are. It is absolutely essential that the victim not appear threatening. The police orders are to be followed immediately. Plan accordingly.

 

Armed citizen not going to be charged after review of a January shooting in a Waffle House.

 

Back in January we covered a shooting in a Waffle house restaurant. At the time it wasn’t certain whether the man who defended himself would be charged. After a thorough review the Florida state’s attorney’s office announced this week that they will not charge Jerharrd Williams in the case.  There is video of the shooting that was released, and it looks as though Mr Williams was going “by the book after the shooting. Even to the point of after the shooting and the danger had passed he laid down the gun and called police.

 

WWII Vet Tunes-Up a Punk – DTOOP  (This Goes Last in the DGUs)

Finally, in another of our continuing “Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy or Gal” series, we have the heartwarming story of an older gentleman doing his part to help educate the youth of America.

 

A 95-year-old Manchester, New Hampshire resident saw a young man eyeing him in the local pharmacy. The observant old guy wasn’t too shocked when the thug tried to rob him in the neighboring credit union parking lot. The thief made repeated grabs for the wallet kept in a zippered pocket. That wallet was precious to victim, it contained a credit card, license and his grandchildren’s pictures; to him, worth fighting for.

Did we mention the Old Guy was a World War II veteran, a soldier, and had fought on Bloody Okinawa?

 

“He wasn’t very aggressive — but I was.” Arthur Kemberis remembers. “I probably hurt him a little bit.” Indeed. The thug got tuned-up several times with Arthur’s metal walking cane; taking 3 or 4 thumps to the shoulder. A passerby finally intervened, saving the feckless thief from additional embarrassment. He’s still on the run, but the police have an excellent surveillance photo of the punk.

After all that he’s endured, Old Guy Arthur isn’t taking any more chances; “My .357 Magnum will be with me all the time.” A note to thieves thinking about preying on the Greatest Generation: It’s dangerous to Torque-Off the Old Guy.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Comment from the Website: Mark Hookum commented on our last episode.

 

Thank you for all you do, I live in Minnesota and I’ve heard my guys from the Minnesota groups on your show, ( Andrew Rothman ) I actually listen to your show over and over. Don’t take this wrong, I listen to your show as I drift off to sleep because I almost feel I know your people and you are just comforting , I also listen at least once at work to make sure I catch the whole podcast in full, to make sure I hear everything said, Thank you ALL

 

Rob wanted us to mention one of his slow facts blog posts he made this week. He wrote about the 7th Circuit decision that we covered last week and extrapolated that the ruling could FORCE people to buy guns as the majority opinion in the Pew Research poll showed that people felt safer in the home when there was a gun there. They used opinion in the decision, but used the minority opinion.  Therefore since the wrong opinion was used it could be turned and force those that do not believe in guns to possess them. That is our VERY short synopsis of his column, go read it for yourself at slow facts dot wordpress dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

Congressman Mike Rogers of Alabama has offered an excellent amendment to the act which funds the Dept of Defense. He is proposing that the approximately 92,000 1911s that the government still has in storage and which costs them about $200,000 annually to store, be transferred to the Civilian Marksmanship Program for sale. I think this proposal is worthy of our listeners support. Of course, you have to meet certain marksmanship standards and be a member of a CMP affiliated club to be able to purchase anything from the CMP.

 

This post and others can be found at onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 3 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with Laura Carno about her post, “no, I will not shut my pie hole”.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Baltimore riots.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a homeowner uses a handgun to defend themselves after their home was burglarised for the second time in a week…  so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 328 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Gary- Waiting for my AR to arrive by mail.  Added lights to my safe.  I’m going to hear Sonal Shah speak.

 

John – I had a hearing exam on Monday. I have tinnitis or ring in the ears that is due to exposure to loud noise when I was younger. I did something stupid but that was common back then – I shot without hearing protection. Now I have both ringing in the ears and high frequency drop out. I’m sure there will come a time when I need hearing aids. In other firearm related personal news, I finally weighed the lightweight AR I built. Without optics and a backup rear sight, it comes in at 5 lb, 12 oz. With those attached, I’m still only at 6 lbs 2.7 oz. I just need to find time to try it at the range! I’m also gathering parts now to make a retro style AR. This AR building is addictive!

 

Rob- I was in Los Angeles earlier this week, so I dropped in and heard Alan Korwin speak.  Alan owns and runs Bloomfield press.  He wrote many books and has a great blog called page nine.  Doris started the group, Children of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and the group Jews can shoot.  Alan spoke about what to do after you’ve defended yourself.  That was interesting, and the audience was interesting.  Also, Doris gave me a great hat.  I shot IDPA and mentored another group of doctors for their first shots.  Someone brought a FN 5.7 and they let me shoot it.  It is loud, but doesn’t have much recoil.

 

Paul – RANT

 

I need to go off a bit here. I had a friend and dedicated fighter for our rights post a video to my wall asking if he knew who the person was that was in the video that he posted. The video was of a single person doing an “open carry” demonstration of the sidewalk in front of the federal courthouse in Sioux Falls. The video came in 2 parts and never showed the face of the person who recorded the video. I did not recognize the voice of the person and so I replied and said that I didn’t although the kid was a bit of a ummm jerk. I said worse on Facebook, but I keep the show very family friendly.

 

It turns out that I do know the person. They replied on Facebook and let’s just say that the butthurt was strong in that one.

 

Let me take just a minute here and let me let you know how I feel about open carry, although for many of you this may be a bit of going over well trodden ground I think that it is important.  Actually let me read a post I made to facebook and I will continue on after that.

 

I support your Second Amendment rights, I believe that you have the right to posses and peacefully use any weapon that you can afford. This includes everything from the 10-22 to the F-22. I also support your 1st Amendment rights to say whatever you feel, to worship whatever God you believe in and associate with whomever you chose to.

My hobby and part time side business ( Polite Society Podcast) relies and advocates heavily on both of those rights guarantees the Constitution offers.

However if you are one of those that are being a jerk about your 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, doing some of the myriad of things that hurt us. Things such as open carrying in a manner that causes public alarm; carrying a rifle in a place of business (some leniency given to those in Texas and other states where open carry of handguns isn’t allowed);, or making videos while egging police on just to hopefully make a “YouTube celebrity” out of yourself while using a fake name you are hurting us badly.

I use my real name both here on Facebook and on my show. I don’t hide behind some made up moniker. If you cannot put your real name to what you are doing, if you would not be proud to have your social media posts displayed to your parents, to your preacher, to your doctor or to your grandchildren (whether or not they agree with you) then PLEASE for the love of God DON’T post them!

A lot of people have “friended” me on Facebook because of the show. Thank you to all of you who have, even if I haven’t met you personally or interacted with you often. If you think that I might be referring to you in this post then it’s possible that I am. I beg of you to please look at what you are doing and think to yourself “Is what I am doing going to alarm someone who may be neutral to our fight and make them think that the other side may be right?” (end of FB post)

 

I support your right to open carry. I open carry my handgun while at home. I have participated in organized open carry walks. If done correctly open carry can be a powerful tool to help us. If done incorrectly it can be a tool for Bloomberg’s demanding mommies, CSGV (coalition to stop gun violence, and the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence? )and others to point and say “look at the loonies that they have! Even worse, it can make the average citizen who votes, and is neutral to our side turn away from us.

 

While you are open carrying EVERYTHING that you do is magnified. If you are polite and respectful, if you are dressed well and well groomed, and if you inspire confidence in those around you that helps us.

 

If however you are a jerk to those that you interact with, if you are untidy or unkempt, or most importantly if you instil fear you are doing more damage than demanding mommies or the brady bunch ever has.

 

Again I ask, if your actions could be seen to intimidate PLEASE think twice about doing them.

 

Rob- We are ambassadors.  Are you a good ambassador who will appeal to the average citizen?

 

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Seg 2- News

 

Paul- Leading the news we have conflicting statements from Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake.

 

The mayor said the following in a press conference when things started to get ugly in her city. (Audio clip #1)

 

After getting some criticism she then decided that she never actually said that at all, and that we were just twisting her words. (audio clip #2)

 

-Paul- this is classic Progressivism. She is going on as if nothing ever happened. Making it up as she goes along. I would suggest Mayor Rawlings-Blake that you mark the block that your personal residence is on as a place set aside as room to destroy That sounds like a better balance to me than places where hard working people are trying to make a living.

 

We are going to take a quick side trip here. while perusing Facebook one evening I came across a video that puts the Police violence thing in perspective. Here is some audio. (Audio clip #3)

 

-Paul-  A couple of things about this caught my attention. First that they looked not just at deaths but at all charges of excessive force by officers, Second that they broke things down by contact.

I am one that doesn’t respond well to percentages and so did some of my own math on the figures they presented. If 2000 people are contacted in one form or another by police 1 person will file an excessive force complaint. Of all the complaints only 8 percent had merit, so if police were to contact 25000 people on average only 1 complaint of excessive force would have any merit. That is a DAMN good track record.

 

Rob- there are 20 gang murders for every gun related homicide that involves a policeman.  The vast majority of the police involved shootings are ruled to be justified by self-defense.  That puts violence into perspective.

 

Rob-  Taxes and regulations in Baltimore drove businesses out of the city.  Unemployment jumped.  Addiction rose to record levels.  Fatherlessness rose as young men could not find jobs and start families.  People who still had jobs left Baltimore because of increasing crime.  The price and quality of housing crashed, just as it has in Detroit.  While all of this was happening, the city, state and federal governments poured extraordinary amounts of money into housing projects and schools.  Now a black drug addict whose mother was a drug addict was injured by a mostly black police force controlled by black politicians.  People rioted and burned stores owned by koreans. Government policies killed Baltimore.. and now they are looking for someone to blame.  The politicians will blame racism.. and propose the police wear body cameras.

 

Let’s also ask every elected official to wear body cameras too.. with another camera placed in their office.  That is leading by example.  Anything else is politics as usual.

 

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John-

Waiting periods

There are several myths about gun control.  The first is that waiting periods save lives.  A waiting period is the delay between purchasing a firearm and taking possession of it,.  It has been called a “cooling off” period that could stop impulsive actions.  That doesn’t make sense if the buyer already owns a gun.  That is what a Federal Judge said in California, but California politicians appealed the judge’s decision anyway.

 

One Wisconsin lawmaker finally had the courage to state the obvious about waiting periods.  Wisconsin Senator Van Wanggaard served as a traffic investigator and graduated from the Racine police academy.  He said waiting periods don’t work.  Studies backed him up.  Waiting periods don’t change the overall suicide rate or homicide rate.  Some studies found a decrease in violence while other studies found an increase in violence associated with waiting periods.  The results hinge on a critical distinction, are we disarming a violent criminal.  or a potential victim.  The proposed change in Wisconsin law eliminating waiting periods goes to the Wisconsin Assembly and then, hopefully, to Governor Scott Walker for his signature.

 

Background checks fail again

Background checks are another gun-control myth.  Making honest gun owners re-register their firearms is somehow going to stop criminals from getting a gun.  Would it stop car theft if we had to go to the department of motor vehicles so I could drive your car?  Mandatory background checks are being proposed in the Oregon legislature.  Background checks are already mandatory in Washington state so we can see if they are effective.

 

Despite their gun prohibitions, the impossible happened this week in Thurston, Washington.  A high school student brought a gun to school and started shooting.  He was tackled by a teacher, and no one was injured.

The student was sixteen years old, so couldn’t own a gun.

The student was on probation, so couldn’t touch a gun.

Thank goodness Washington State has mandatory background checks so the student couldn’t take someone elses gun.. but he did.  Detectives say the student wanted to commit suicide by cop.

It looks like gun prohibition doesn’t work, but that won’t stop bigoted anti-rights politicians.

 

– In New York state, any pretext is good enough for another firearms restriction.   Now an Amish man is suing New York because of state gun laws.  New York requires a background check whenever guns change hands.  The background check requires a photo identification card.  The Amish don’t have photo identification, so now they can’t buy or sell guns in New York.  Tell me again who new york laws are protecting us from?? from the Amish?

 

– In Vermont, Bloomberg’s anti gun groups were pushing for mandatory background checks each time you took possession of a gun.  They spent almost 138 thousand dollars promoting the legislation.  Pro-rights groups spent only 20 cents for every bloomberg dollar.. and the pro-rights groups won.  There are no mandatory background checks in Vermont.  That took work from vermont gun owners.  Well done!

 

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Rob- 7th Circuit Upholds Assault Weapon Ban

On Monday, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an Illinois city’s ban on so called assault weapons and high capacity magazines. This stunning ruling specifically dismisses the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and recent case law and instead relies upon the presumed feelings of the public. The majority of the three judge panel held that “if a ban on semi‐automatic guns and large‐capacity magazines reduces the perceived risk from a mass shooting, and makes the public feel safer as a result, that’s a substantial benefit.” In other words, if some the public can be convinced that the ban could make them safer, it’s OK; facts be damned. It’s hard to imagine a more incoherent legal justification.

In his dissenting opinion, the third panel judge wrote that the ruling is “at odds with the central holdings of Heller and McDonald: that the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home.”

 

This issue will almost certainly go before the Supreme Court at some time. For the citizens of Highland Park, Illinois, and of this nation, we can only hope it’s soon.

 

John – Why do I have the song Feelings running through head. “Feelings, nothing but feelings, oh, oh, oh”

 

Gary- Two  judges side with the politicians to give them more power.  Judges say all it takes is a good sounding headline to justify disarming the public.  The uninformed public will “feel safer” after they read the political spin.

 

Anti-Gun Researcher Refuses to Debate Dr. John Lott

The research director for Bloomberg’s astroturfing Everytown for Gun Safety, recently refused to debate gun law researcher John Lott. While we can’t blame Bloomberg’s mouthpiece for being chicken, after all, Dr. Lott is a force of nature with facts and statistics, his refusal to talk face-to-face is telling: antis just don’t have the facts on their side.

 

C-SPAN invited both gentlemen to discussed a recent Pew Research Center study that found more Americans now think protecting gun rights is more important than controlling gun ownership. Everytown’s Mr. Alcorn declined  to appear at the same time as  Dr. Lott, resorting to personal attacks to explain his refusal. Alcorn was allowed to appear after Dr. Lott, completely eliminating every possibility of give and take.

 

Lott said he was disappointed someone from Everytown wasn’t willing to discuss the Pew Center’s findings. The Pew study showed Americans who had once worried about crime and favored strict gun control, now wanted no more laws or even to loosen gun restrictions. “In short, we are at a moment when most Americans believe crime rates are rising and when most believe gun ownership — not gun control — makes people safer,” wrote Pew’s Andrew Kohut. “Every country in the world that’s banned guns has seen an increase in murder rates,” said Dr. Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center and the author of “More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws.” Lott said that with more stories about defensive gun use being distributed in the new media, people are catching up to research on the issue. He reiterated that predictions of gun control advocates have never come to pass.

 

Spreading the word of lawful defensive gun uses is a big part of what we do here at the Polite Society Podcast.  It seems we are helping to make a difference.

 

Michael Moore Relies on the 2nd Amendment?

Big screen fabulist, virulent anti-gunner, noted hypocrite and left-wing barking moonbat Michael Moore may be supporting Michelle Obama’s claim that chronic obesity can lead to early-onset senility.

 

Very early Thursday morning, the big chunk took to Twitter to demand the immediate release of every African-American in prison for drug or nonviolent offenses. For his next belly-flop into insanity, Moore imperiously demanded that all police instantly disarm. Oddly enough, he justified that stupidity by noting; “We have a 1/4 billion 2nd amendment guns in our homes 4 protection.” Although true, that’s very odd reasoning from someone who wants the public’s firearms seized at gunpoint by the police. However, apparently even that blind pig can find an acorn of 2nd Amendment truth once in a while.

Go to bed Mikey, you’re drunk on yourself.

 

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Gun Quotes

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. Upton Sinclair

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Jeff Street teaches firearms safety at his church.

First Baptist Church Naples

3000 Orange Blossom Drive

Naples FL 34109

 

Do you charge? Free.  Can’t charge when we use the church buildings.

How long have you been teaching at the church? About 2 years

How many attend the classes? 10 – 45

What is the goal of the class? This class is a great refresher for those current firearm owners and a wonderful introduction for those who are seeking information to start their firearm journey.

Emphasis on Dry Practice Training drills you can do at home to improve your fundamental skills including but not limited to grip, stance, trigger press. We also work on safe handling while drawing from holster, strong hand to off hand gun transitioning, etc. We also discuss personal defense ideas and issues. Mindset, The Law and Physical Skills.

What equipment do you use?  Blue Guns, SiRT Laser Pistols, Train Safe Barrel Blocks, Clearly marked dummy ammo (no live ammo is allowed in the classroom), LASR software from centroloutions using Infrared cameras and infrared SiRT pistols.

What is the overall reception to the training? They like it very much.  They also come to our live fire classes at LouLand Gun Club.  We put on Scoot and Shoot events at least twice a month.  The scoot and shoot is competition with yourself.  Some come to improve their competitive skills and some come to practice their self-defense skills. Some do both on the same day.

What are your credentials?  We have instructor certifications from; the NRA, Defense Training International John Farnam, RangeMaster Tom Givens, and Gabe Suarez.

 

Contact Jeff Street at Step by Step Gun Training

http://stepbystepguntraining.com/drypracticeclass/

 

Laura Carno’s blog post on legislative stategy-  No, I Will Not “Shut My Pie Hole!

Laura’s other websites are-

I am created equal.

Laura Carno.com

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

(WHY DO WE WANT TO LIST EXAMPLES OF WHAT NOT TO DO? -ROB)
I see it as part of our charter to teach and inform. I think it is an important story, as long as this type of issue is not overdone. However, I could certainly be wrong – I’m married after all.  😉 Dan

 

XX- The news media won’t call it a defensive gun use, but we saw it in Ferguson, Missouri.  We saw it again this week in Baltimore, Maryland as well.  We saw stores smashed, looted and burned during riots.  We also saw store owners protect their businesses by standing there with a firearm.. and with no shots fired.

A Baltimore Sun reporter left his Crips gang member protection and was maced by a looter demanding his cell phone. The attack was stopped when the reporter ran to a store owner with a shotgun.  More guns, less crime.

 

Tennessee Homeowner Shoots Robber

An East Knox County, Tennessee homeowner was startled awake early Wednesday morning by the sound of breaking glass. From his bedroom, the homeowner saw an intruder climbing through a living room window. The owner fired once, and the robber fell backwards. Police found the perpetrator dead on the porch.

The late James Melvin Vinson had accumulated an extensive criminal record in his 40 years, including multiple theft and drug charges. At the time of his final crime, he had two outstanding warrants; for theft and for violating the parole that put him back on the street once again. Mr Vinson was the very definition of an outlaw; largely unrestrained by the legal system.

 

The homeowner is not expected to face charges. Under Tennessee’s Stand Your Ground law the man was within his rights when he used a gun to defend his home and his family.

 

Misuse of a Citizen’s Firearm

With rights come responsibility. A North Carolina man failed to use his rights responsibly in a shoplifting incident at a store. A man ran from the Beasley Power Equipment store with a pilfered a chainsaw. The thief jumped into a vehicle with two others while being pursued by the store owner’s son. They sped off after the son brandished the pistol and ordered them to stop. Two shots were fired at the departing vehicle and the driver was hit in the head. The store employee reported those facts to a 911 operator, along with an admission that he had seen no firearm. Their conversation, of course, was being recorded.

 

Our DGUs usually show the proper lifesaving use of firearms. For educational purposes, we do comment when their use could have been better. As such, we must point out when someone is legally and morally wrong when employing a weapon.

 

Most states hold that firearms can only be used in the defense of one’s self and others. A fleeing thief is simply not a danger to the CCW holder. Only a few states allow deadly force in defense of property; North Carolina is probably not one of them. In any case, a chainsaw cannot be equated with a human life. The pistol owner simply should not have fired in that situation. He should have been a good witness and reported the license plate numbers to the police.

The driver has been hospitalized in critical condition, his two confederates charged with felony theft. At this time, the shooter is under investigation by the district attorney. The shooter and his business will almost certainly face civil lawsuits. Self-defense classes like Massad Ayoob’s MAG 20 would have would have certainly made this mistake less likely.

 

Homeowner Shoots Two in Second Home Invasion in a Week

In the warped world of the criminal, they can come to feel they own something merely by desiring it. This can lead to repeated, seemingly improbable, attempts to possess the thing. This may be what happened to a California homeowner this week.

 

In the normally peaceful Pittsburg, California neighborhood, a homeowner shot and killed two home invaders Friday evening. This was the second time in a week that their home had been a burglarized. In the earlier incident, four people had been arrested. At this time, it is not known if the two deceased were somehow related to the earlier incident.

 

A neighbor wondered if there was a the connection between the two home invasions. “There’s no way of knowing,” he said. “They broke in and ransacked the place, and maybe they saw something they liked and came back.”  “If I was in (the homeowners) position, I would have done the same thing,” he said.

 

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Paul-

Salt Lake City Warning Shot

A his and her burglary team broke into a pricy Salt Lake City area home Monday morning. Alerted by the family’s dog, a neighbor called 911 and the homeowner grabbed a gun. At one point, the homeowner fired a warning shot, chasing the duo out of the house – and straight into the arms of the arriving police. Authorities report that the suspects have previous criminal histories.

 

Warning shots are rarely a good idea. The self-defense use of a firearm is usually limited to life or death situations. If the victim has time for a warning shot, almost by definition the situation cannot be that critical. That bullet has to go somewhere, perhaps threatening someone in the home or some distance away. And the victim has thrown away a significant portion of their life-saving device’s resources.

 

Quality formal training may have kept the homeowner from making this possible error. That being said, we commend the homeowner, the neighbor and police for the happy resolution to this home invasion.

 

Store manager shoots would-be robber in East Houston

The manager of an East Houston Cash-n-Carry was assaulted in the front door of his store Thursday morning. A robber put a gun to his back and demanded his cash. It apparently wasn’t the manager’s first rodeo, as underneath the package in his arm – he held a legally concealed handgun.

 

In that extreme situation, the manager used his gun and put two or three shots into the chest of the armed robber. The robber died at the hospital. An accomplice may have fled the scene in a getaway vehicle.

 

The robber paid the ultimate price for nothing, as the manager’s bag didn’t contain the hoped-for cash, instead only toiletries. To the good, the manager was able to stop the theft of his own life through his foresight and preparedness.

 

Utah CCW Stops Carjacking

 

A Utah CCW holder stopped a carjacking at a Macy’s in Orem, Utah on Saturday and ended a crime spree. The unidentified CCW holder, a 31 y.o. male,  had been shopping and came out into the parking lot to see a woman screaming as she was being pulled out of her Mercedes. The carjacker had stolen a truck earlier and was “trading cars”. The CCW holder ordered the carjacker out of the car. The carjacker then lunged at the man and tried to take his firearm upon which he was shot and killed. Police are treating this as a legitimate use of deadly force and are not charging the CCW holder. The carjacker, whose name is being withheld pending an autopsy, was wanted on several felony warrants. Police are searching for two other accomplices who fled.

 

Houston CCW Stops Carjacking

Wednesday evening a man was sitting in his vehicle in downtown Houston when two men asked for a ride. The motorist naturally refused and the two men left, but they came back. At gunpoint, the driver was ordered to kneel behind the car. When both men got in, the victim drew his legally possessed CCW and fired at the driver. The 30 year old carjacker died a short distance away, his accomplice escaped on foot.

 

The case will be referred to the grand jury to determine what, if any, charges will be filed.

 

Man Shoots Attacker With Attacker’s Gun

And lastly, a hapless New Orleans thief was shot with his own gun after his armed robbery attempt went dramatically sideways. The intended victim was having none of the assault, won the struggle for the gun, and immediately employed it in self-defense.

Good on the victim for turning the tables on the feckless thief. However, it’s usually best if you bring your own concealed weapon, rather than relying on the perpetrator to supply one for you.

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

We got this comment on our website and we thought that we would share it.

 

Great show. I was surprised to hear that more firearm genre radio programs could not be recalled, so allowe me. There is the “Lock Stock and Daria” out of Rhode Island (local), “On Target” broadcasting out of Illinois (local), Georgia Carry.org out of Atlanta (Local), now these are just off the top of my head. But you all are correct Gun Talk was the first nationally (key word) syndicated radio show and it was decades before they were challenged. As with National Media’s bias towards gun self defense stories, what they are not realizing or unwilling to realize is that local media has to report such events in their news cycle. What happens is average Joe one night watches the local channel 5 and learns of a single mother with two kids suffer a home invasion possibly ending with death, the following week average Joe watches a story of an 85 year pistol packing Ethel putting six in a bad guy saving her sick husband’s life. Now average Joe starts to think, and begins to talk to friends and so on and so on, the whole time national media sit in their New York bubble believing they are controlling the message, and fortunately with new gun friendly media that is no longer a true statement.

Keep pumping them out, I’ll keep listening.

 

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I asked the question, How Does a Business Survive a Riot?  We saw it in Los Angeles.  We saw it in Ferguson.  Now we’ve seen it in Baltimore.  I have answers from Charles Heller, Dave Cole, Miguel Gonzalez, George Hill, Stephen Wegener, Ben Branam and Layla Sumners.  You can find their answers at SlowFacts dot wordpress dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

I just want to quickly mention two posts that are related. First, I posted about Lonnie and Sandy Phillips. They were the plaintiffs who are now liable for attorneys’ fee for having sued Lucky Gunner and Sportsman’s Guide. We expressed some sympathy for them in the podcast last week. Turns out they are Brady Campaign employees and have been since 2013. Second, I did post the first of my Bad Apple Lawyer series featuring Prof. David Kairys who developed the public nuisance theory that was used in many municipal lawsuits against gun makers.

 

Both of these and more can be found at my blog. The address is onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday April 26th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk About Cleveland taking a backward step for our rights.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a Pew research poll that is giving the Bloomberg clan a bit of a migraine.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s an Illinois resident stops a possible mass shooting, yes he had a concealed carry permit. So climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 327 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Rob- I made a guest appearance on Armed American Radio last sunday.  Wrote news for Kenn Blanchard on Black man with a gun.  Went to a local meeting for self-defense activists on Tuesday.  Heard Ed Peruta speak at a local Tea Party meeting, and wrote two articles for Ammoland and ClashDaily.  My night job is feeling like my day job.

 

John – I just spent the weekend visiting with my granddaughter Olivia Grace. It is amazing how much she has grown in a mere 3 weeks or so since I have seen her last. The semester is winding down and papers to grade are piling up. I love the teaching, I tolerate the grading. With regard to gun stuff, Gary will be interested in this – the lightweight AR is done. I thought I needed to trade out the buffer tube but it is just because the Mission First Tactical stock is tight on it. I still need to zero it before I do a review and blog post on it.

 

Paul – More work on audio book. Did some dry fire practice specific to the draw. I wanted to find out how what I normally wear as cover garments work with drawing. I found that a hawiian shirt does a great job of concealing and a great job of not getting out of the way when I draw. A photographers vest does a FAR better job of getting out of the way, but it is a “shoot me first” vest.

More work on the home studio. it is almost where I want it for the audio setup.

Working on ordering stuff for the bob mayne/ben branam class.

 

Gary – Smith & Wesson M&P15 Sport

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

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–We’ve heard anti-gun groups say that firearms ownership is falling.  They claim that record gun sales are going to fewer and fewer gun owners, and that the majority of people are calling for gun control.  New polling data from Pew research calls that claim into question.  In fact, the poll discovered a huge shift in public opinion about the right of self-defense.

Today, and for the first time, more Americans support the right of self defense instead of asking for more gun control.  52 percent say that protecting gun rights is important while only 42 percent say the government should do more to control firearms ownership.

There are several reasons for our changing opinions, though not all of them make sense.  63 percent of us think crime is rising.  In fact, crime rates continue to fall, with current crime rates falling to only a quarter of the crime rate of the early 1990s.  We have a distorted perception of violence in society.

Perhaps that is why today 63 percent of us say a gun in the home makes us safer.  Ten years ago we were in a 50/50 tie on that issue.

comment- I didn’t know we had that many listeners, but someone is changing hearts and minds.

 

-Here is another measure of the changing view of firearms.  A priest in a Detroit suburb now wants his parish to take a concealed carry class.  Father Edward Fride wrote to his parish and scheduled a concealed carry class at Christ the King parish.  Father Fride was a pacifist.  He ministered to military veterans and their families.  It looks like the influence went both ways, since the Father is known for recruiting new vocations to the priesthood.. and Father Fride is now studying martial arts.  He said it hurt to imagine an innocent person being hurt while all he could do was watch.  The father was overruled by his bishop, so the next concealed carry classes won’t be held at the parish.. for now.

 

-There is more news on the culture front.  Catholic College students have traditionally been more supportive of social justice rather than supporting the right to keep and bear arms.  That is changing.. at least in anti-gun Washington DC.  The student government at Catholic University voted for concealed carry on campus.  The vote for armed self-defense won by a margin of 16 to 11.  Catholic U has policies and practices that are both liberal and conservative.  The school is located in the Northeast quadrant of Washington, DC.  There are many news articles about students being robbed on campus and off campus, and they say a conservative is simply a liberal who’s been mugged.

 

-Campus carry isn’t academic or theoretical.  We can examine real world experience.  We see the effects because Colorado had campus carry for the last 12 years.  There was only one reported incident.  That was by a university employee and no one was injured.

 

Census data from the 1990s surveyed rape victims and victims of attempted rape.  26 of these victims said they used a firearm for self-defense.  The armed women stopped their attacker in every case.  They were neither raped nor injured after they presented a firearm.  That tells us what to expect on campus.

 

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-We have more news from Washington DC.  A gunman walked onto the steps of the US capital.

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I know you’re shocked, but the gun free zone signs failed to stop the armed man.  This disturbed individual committed suicide with a shot to his head.  That means that the law abiding citizens were at risk.. from those who do not obey the law.  You’d have to be crazy to think that plastic signs stop violence.  The Capital was locked down for two hours after the shooting.

 

-We have a bit of unexpected sanity to report from Maryland.  The Maryland legislature repealed their ballistic imaging program.  Ballistic imaging looks at the microscopic abrasions formed on a shell casing as it is fired.  It turns out the case marks change as the gun gets dirty, as ammunition changes, and as the gun wears and springs fatigue.  Ballistic fingerprinting has never been used to solve crime.  maryland stopped funding the program several years ago, but gun owners were still required to submit shell casings of new firearms.  Not any more.

 

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Now we have to ask if New York is smart enough to learn from Maryland and stop their own unsuccessful ballistic database.. and let’s ask if California will foolishly try to implement microstamping by looking at the mark left by the firing pin on the primer.  I don’t know if they are as smart as the politicians in Maryland. http://www.nssfblog.com/maryland-ends-ballistics-imaging-program-and-provides-a-lesson/

 

-Politics is as much about appearance as performance.  The director of safety in Cleveland said as much.  Michael McGrath proposed new gun laws and openly admitted they might not do any good.  They were passed by the Cleveland city council.  Quoting the mayor, “the legislation was not designed to stop gun violence” to begin with. Instead, he hopes it will “encourage responsible gun ownership.”  Here are the new laws that reflect the council’s values:

  • Outlaw carrying a concealed deadly weapon or handgun, unless the person is a police officer or a person who holds a license to carry a concealed weapon.
  • Requires a person who sells or transfers a gun, and who is not a licensed gun dealer, to report such transactions to police
  • Requires an owner to report a lost or stolen gun to police.
  • Creates a gun offender registry, requiring people convicted of gun crimes to register their names with Cleveland’s Safety Director.
  • Prohibits the display, marking or sale of a facsimile firearm and prohibits brandishing a facsimile firearm in the presence of law enforcement or with the intent to frighten people.
  • Prohibits the negligent transfer of a firearm to a felon or intoxicated person.
  • Sets restrictions for firearms in the hands of minors and restricts discharging firearms in public areas, including schools, churches, cemeteries, playgrounds, and parks.
  • Requires owners to safely store firearms to keep them from being stolen or out of the hands of children.

 

Gary- sounds like they must make crime illegal.

Rob- sounds like a politician who wrapped his anti-gun bigotry in feel-good public relations.

 

-Sometimes the anti-rights politicians lose.  Park carry is now legal in Tennessee.  Some city officials who had preempted discreet carry complained about the new law.  Officials like Knoxville Mayor Madeline Rogero ignored the attacks that occurred in the disarmed victim zones known as her parks.  Maybe that was because Mayor Rogero has an armed security detail of her own.  They forget that most Tennessee cities let armed citizens travel without restriction in city parks.   The anti-rights politicians were projecting their hoplophobia and ignoring real world experience with gun owners.

 

Here is a shout out to Tennessee gun owners and legislators.  You did the right thing.

 

-Senator Ted Cruz is running for president.  When he spoke in New Hampshire, Senator Cruz said, “I think it’s very important to have a public discussion about why we’re denying our soldiers the ability to exercise their Second Amendment rights (on military bases).” Currently, only law enforcement and security personnel are permitted to carry weapons, while soldiers are strictly prohibited from being armed on post.  That prohibition was signed by President George Herbert Walker Bush. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/ted-cruz-2016-second-amendment-gun-rights-117133.html?hp=rc3_4

-Speaking of candidates.. another presidential candidate was at the NRA annual meeting.  Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush bragged about his record and said, Quote “Today there are well over 1.3 million law-abiding Floridians with a valid concealed weapons permit, 1.3 million. That’s the most in the nation – nearly double that of the second state, which is Texas. Sorry, Gov. Perry.”  Close quote.  The number is closer to 1.4 million.  A key factor is the ease and reciprocity granted through non-resident Florida permits. http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2015/apr/15/jeb-bush/which-state-most-gun-permits

 

-This good news will still make you cry.  In 2010, four gang members charged into a southern California jewelry store and rushed the staff.  The thugs were armed with hammers and clubs.  The store owner was armed with a pistol.  He shot the robbers.  One died, but the store owner was sued by the family of the dead robber.   Even though the police said the store owner defended himself and the store staff from a deadly threat, California law allows anyone to file a lawsuit at any time for almost any reason.  It took six years to obtain a full dismissal of the case against the store owner in California.

 

Comment- Who has CCW insurance?  http://email.nraila.org/articles/20150419/california-armed-robber-s-lawsuit-against-jewelry-store-robbery-victim-thrown-out-of-court

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-Pennsylvania isn’t like California.  Three Pennsylvania state representatives set up a seminar to inform gun owners of their legal rights and responsibilities.  Representatives Seth Grove, Kate Klunk, and Kristin Phillips teamed up to hold the event May 2.  An attorney will cover Pennsylvania’s concealed carry laws and a  police officer will discuss how to safely interact with the law enforcement.  The seminar is free.  There are no training requirements for a Pennsylvania CCW. http://www.eveningsun.com/local/ci_27934639/concealed-carry-seminar-planned-may-2

 

-This story is from the Chicago area.  Two Arlington Heights police officers who were found guilty of constitutional violations and ordered by a federal jury to pay a resident $80,000 in damages for illegally searching his home and seizing his guns.  Art Lovi lost his wife to cancer.  He was talking to his therapist for grief counseling.  Lovi made a threat against a doctor who misdiagnosed his wife’s cancer years ago.  The therapist reported the threat to the Arlington Heights Police Department, although she added she did not believe Lovi was a threat to himself or others.

A few hours later, Lovi got a call from police, who asked if he had any weapons in his home. Lovi told them yes, he had a valid FOID card and three antique firearms, including a musket that was more than 100 years old, but that he had no ammunition.  That night officers showed up at Lovi’s house, where he says they entered without a warrant and confiscated his weapons.  The next day the police told him he had to have a psychiatric examination.  Lovi’s lawsuit says police threatened that if he didn’t go into the ambulance willingly, they would handcuff him and physically put him in the ambulance. Lovi was released later that day after a medical evaluation determined he was not a danger to himself or others. Lovi was never arrested or charged with a crime.  He says he tried to get his guns back several times, but it wasn’t until two months later, when he hired an attorney to help him, that the guns were returned.  He then filed a civil rights lawsuit and two years later a jury found Arlington Heights police officers guilty. If the jury decision stands appeal, Illinois law says the individual officers would be responsible for paying those damages. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150417/news/150418731/

 

Parents of Aurora Victim Might Pay $220k For Frivolous Lawsuit

With backing from the Brady Center, the parents of an Aurora, CO mover theater shooting victim sued four online retailers for selling equipment and ammunition to the shooter. Claiming that the firms should have somehow known the mental state of the purchaser, Sandy and Lonnie Phillips sued for unspecified damages and changes to business practices.

At the time of the suit, many noted that a federal law, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act of 2005, protected firearms firms from lawsuits based on the acts of their customers. Colorado had a similar law, but added a provision that allows defendants  to recover their fees and costs from unsuccessful plaintiffs. The lawsuit was always a longshot, and it failed in federal court. In dismissing the case, the judge ruled that the defendants may collect appropriate damages from the plaintiffs and their attorneys. In the resulting fee application, the Brady Center was specifically named for fostering the political lawsuit.

 

Defendant Lucky Gunner requested that the judgement be recovered equally from the Phillips and their attorneys. As the Phillips were represented by both their attorneys and the Brady Centers’, there is a possibility that the Brady’s might have to pay something for their abuse of the legal system. One can only hope.

 

While we deeply sympathize with the Phillips over the tragic loss of their daughter, we would remind them of the old proverb: If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

 

Threats Coming to Our Door

We have several international terrorism stories that may have direct impact to this nation.

 

In Italy, police are working to round up eighteen Islamic terror cell suspects. Nine suspects have already been arrested; another nine are being sought, some may have escaped the country. Prosecutors believe they were behind a failed 2010 plot to attack the Vatican as well as a Pakistan market bombing that killed more than a 100 a year earlier. It is not known what they were doing in Italy.

 

Italian officials are responding to the threats of the Islamic State group to conquer Rome and destroy the Vatican. Security has been beefed up at the Vatican, but there is no information about any specific threat.

 

In France, a Jihadi accidently shot himself in the leg, foiling plans for attacks on two churches. Police followed a trail of blood to a car were a stash of weapons including a Kalashnikov was found.  More weapons and evidence of the terrorist plot were seized from the suspect’s home. DNA evidence ties the suspect to this week’s murder of a woman near the French capital. Police are searching for the others involved in the plot.

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls warned that his country was facing an unprecedented terrorist threat.

 

Eight miles south of the Texas border, a Mexican military personnel identified an ISIS Terror Training Camp. The heavily-defended camp sits in the Mexican state of Chihuahua, a haven for drug cartels. Another sits across from Columbus, New Mexico. The Examiner reports that Obama is aware of ISIS and other Islamists in Mexico but is ignoring the threats to avoid compromising his amnesty program.

Islamist have openly bragged about targeting Western civilization. The military, malls, and now religious congregations are on their list. Their plans have brought them to Europe and now North America. As Americans, Christians and Jews have been targeted, it is up to us to be ready.

 

Paul-  I want our listeners to know we send our staff to the far corners of the earth to cover stories.  Rob had to drive about an hour to hear Ed Peruta speak to a tea party group.  Tell us about it.

 

Rob-  It was tough, Paul.  You used to live in south San Diego County.  Ed Peruta spoke in Ramona California.  He spoke at the Ramona Tea Party event held at the Ramona Mainstage.  I ordered a hotdog and beer while we listened to Ed.

 

Ed now runs a news service covering breaking stories in the North East.  He also does legal investigations for Attorney Rachel M Baird http://rachelbairdlaw.com/ in Torrington, Connecticut.  Ed is also a director at Connecticut Carry.

 

Let me give you some background about Ed.  He joined the marines when he was 17 years old to fight in Vietnam.  He is deeply patriotic and supports law enforcement.  He was a policeman for two years.  He was dismissed because he did not shoot a black man when he was running away.  Ed also hates dishonest policemen and politicians.  He is skeptical about every claim made by a government official.

 

He has a firearms permit in Connecticut, Utah and Florida, but getting a permit is not about guns for him.  It is about the constitution.  You can get a hearing to have food stamps in Connecticut, and you must have your hearing within 60 days.  They can stall you for two years to get a permit in Connecticut.  That makes Ed angry.

 

Ed has several apartments across the country, including one in San Diego.  Ed was living in his motor home with his wife when they visited San Diego one winter.  He spoke to the local gun shops and asked about a concealed carry permit.  Then he did what any investigator does, he read up on the suspects and interviewed them.  He read about “good cause” in San Diego and recorded his two interviews with the San Diego deputies.  He expected to be turned down.

 

At first the NRA, SAF and CRPA didn’t help him.  Ed paid the first 15 thousand dollars of his own legal bills to get the case to trial.  The NRA funded his case on appeal.

 

Ed has a permit in Connecticut.  Notice these similarities between Connecticut and San Diego.  Connecticut has 3.5 million people.  San Diego County has 3.3 million.  Connecticut covers 5, 500 square miles.  San Diego County covers 4,500  square miles.  The population and population density is very similar.  Connecticut has 203 thousand concealed carry permits, or 4.5 percent of the population.  San Diego has 1200 permits, or .04 percent.

 

Ed is in his mid sixties.  He said, I may not get to see the case settled, but I hope you will!  The legal case, Peruta VS San Diego will change the lives of 60 million americans.

 

Here he is after his talk.

Paul, play audio (Insert quote)

He was as comfortable with a tea party group as he is giving legal testimony.

 

(who???) Gun Quotes-  If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin. Samuel Adams

 

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Rob- Let me comment on Jews can shoot.  Some of my friends feel they need to be perfect instructors before they take a friend shooting.  Doris would like to be perfect, but progress is more important than perfection.  She is a teacher and a student.  She has some lectures in mind with police officers, assistant district attorneys, and defense lawyers.  That should be interesting.

 

This story was emailed to us by listener and frequent email correspondent Anthony L. Thanks to all of our listeners who frequently email us to let us know about stories that they think we may be interested in! You knew this next story was bound to happen in Chicago.  A licensed concealed carry holder was also a driver for Uber.  He was waiting in the Logan Square area while a group of people walked in front of his car.   That is when Everardo Custodio began firing into the crowd. The Uber driver pulled out a handgun fired six shots and hit Custodio.  No other injuries were reported.  The Chicago Police chief said concealed carry holders were a danger to the public, but this Uber driver is a better shot than Chicago and New York police officers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-uber-driver-shoots-gunman-met-0420-20150419-story.html/

 

Homeowner Defends Himself From Driveway Robbery

A Conway Arkansas homeowner effectively and somewhat exuberantly defended his life Monday night. Two men interrupted James Allen’s walk toward his car and demanded money. He drew his CCW, but the robbers shot first and missed. Mr Allen then performed a fighting retreat behind a hail of 20 bullets. The altercation left holes in a neighborhood house and Mr Allen’s car. Fortunately, no one was injured and unfortunately, there have been no arrests.

The value of suppressive fire has long been known by the military. And while we will not argue with success, Mr Allen’s neighbors might have appreciated a bit of restraint. We must reiterate that a shooter is morally and legally responsible for every round he or she fires.

 

A Self-Defense Shooter is Shot in Self-Defense

A woman learned the harsh fact that a self-defense situation doesn’t stop with the shot.

 

The Huntsville, Alabama woman was forced to shoot when her armed estranged husband invaded the house she shares with her mother. When the police arrived, she was standing in her garage holding a shotgun. When ordered to drop the gun, the woman, who could have been in shock or partially deafened, turned toward the cops with the gun. At least one officer fired. The woman is expected to survive, her ex is in critical condition.

 

Self-defense instructors point to the first contact with the police as an especially dangerous time. If possible, someone should meet the cops and explain the situation. Again, if possible, no gun should be near the victim’s hands; it should be either holstered or put on the ground well away from the perpetrator. It goes without saying that the victim should be as non-threatening as possible and immediately follow the cop’s instructions. If there is a doubt, slowly getting flat on the ground with hands spread would seem to be a good course.

Shopper Interjects Himself Into a Family Feud

A simple trip to the grocery store got a lot more complicated for a Little Rock, Arkansas man Wednesday. Walking out with his groceries, the man identified as Gene saw an elderly man being attacked by seven younger men. He  could not ignore that situation, so he dropped his groceries and drew his concealed weapon. He stopped the attack – and provided all CCW carriers with a learning opportunity.

 

The altercation Gene had injected himself into did stop. However, another shopper dialed 911 and reported him as a man waving a gun. Others hung around a potential gunfight taking video and pictures. The men told him this wasn’t his fight and to put his gun down. When the police finally arrived, both the attackers and the victim had long since fled.

 

Gene had involved himself in a situation that most cops dread: a family feud. The old man was being set upon by his nephew. What looked like a serious attack might have really been a loud, somewhat physical argument. Fortunately, Gene maintained his composure and kept his finger outside the trigger guard and alongside the pistol.

 

Several bystanders indicated they would have also have acted as Gene did. So, what would you have done?

Self-defense philosopher Michael Bane strongly cautions about getting involved in someone else’s problem. It is almost impossible to correctly grasp a situation at a glance. Is that man wrestling a woman a rapist — or a husband trying to restrain his wife from hurting herself? Michael urges people to first ensure the safety of themselves and their loved ones, and only then act as a good observer for the cops.

Although we certainly tip our hat to Gene and his decision to help an elderly gentleman, we must reiterate that as concealed carriers we are not law enforcement; rather, we are sheepdogs protecting a very small flock.

 

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Gal

A kindly old Fort Worth grandmother proved she was made of much sterner stuff than her age would suggest.

 

Jewell Turner, 74, rolled down her minivan window to help a stranger asking for directions. That stranger put a knife to her throat and demanded the contents of her purse. The Old Gal thought about what was in her purse, briefly considered her deceased husband’s switchblade, but instead choose the handgun. “I just reached down, got the gun and turned around and pointed it to his face. And I told him; ‘You back off, or I’ll blow your head off.’ “

 

Turner said she felt taken advantage of by the man, who preyed upon her sense of kindness. “This let me know there is a dark side,” Turner said. “I noticed there was a dark side in me, too. Because when I first pulled that gun on him I actually wanted to shoot him. But I stopped and thought about it. I just hope they find him before he hurts somebody, or somebody hurts him.” Somebody like a steely-haired grandmother.

 

As for that very, very lucky stranger, the pistol-packing granny remembered that “…his eyes got big and he just backed up and he took off walking down the street like nothing happened.” No doubt resolving to never again Torque-Off an Old Gal.

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Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about a new gun ban at San Diego’s Petco Park where the Padres play.  The local police and the team owners don’t want concealed carriers in the park.  Now they won’t let off-duty law enforcement officers into the park either.  It is a political decision, not a security decision.

 

I also wrote about the new Pew Research poll we covered in the news.  It made me laugh at the news media.  The news media sensationalize crime and violence.. and then they seem surprised when their viewers think we live in an unusually violent world.  It comes as a shock to the journalists, but an armed society is a polite society. Take an example from the NRA convention.  Even the police could relax when 80 thousand gun owners had their back in Nashville.

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

I have started my blog series Bad Apple Lawyers. It will profile the attorneys who are behind the lawsuits intended to curtail gun rights. Many of these lawyers are with large law firms and they are donating their legal expertise pro bono or free to the Brady Center and other groups. Lawyers and others who practice lawfare on the Second Amendment need to be exposed for the anti-civil rights bigots that they are. The first to be profiled will be law professor David Kairys who’s theories were used in many of the early lawsuits in the 90s and early 2000s.

 

You can find this and other posts at onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.  (Paul – Rob did a lot of excellent work this week – as he and Gary and John do most weeks. CF)

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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