Episode 366 – Maryland’s Modern Sporting Rifle Ban Stayed

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1:

3- Interview Segment 1: Dan and Cheryl Todd of Gun Freedom Radio

4- Interview Segment 2: Philip Van Cleave of VACDL

5- Interview Segment 3: Grant Cunningham Trainer Extraordinaire!

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday February 11th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Philip Van Cleave about changes in Virginia’s concealed carry reciprocity agreements… again.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Dan and Cheryl Todd about firearms sales trends

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we will also talk with Grant Cunningham about the design of the new Kimber revolver

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a valet is fired, then not fired after a Defensive Gun Use at General Motors in Michigan

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and we will talk about a federal circuit court striking down parts of Maryland’s assault weapons ban, so climb aboard!

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 366 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Carried every day.  Dry Practice once this week.  The easy way to find the concealed carriers at Mardi Gras is to look for the sober person.  Outside of New Orleans, Louisiana does not allow public drinking.  Fortunately the police look the other way on Mardi Gras.  I upgraded my NRA membership from a Life member to an Endowment member.  For a limited time that only cost $200.   I visited with Bill Frady at Lock and Load Radio and Kenn Blanchard at The Black Man with a Gun Podcast.  

 

John – Congratulations to Rob for upgrading his NRA membership. I did the same late last year. I thought with this election year coming up, the NRA could use the help.

 

Other than that, gun wise, a selection of scale sized targets arrived along with a webcam. Now I just have to get everything set up so as to use with my SIRT pistol and the LASR software.

 

Rachel

Since I was last on the podcast, I’ve been to two run n guns and shot at a bunch of different ranges.

 

  • Highlights: improvement in shooting from one weekend to the next; 55 rounds, 38 hits; all the people and great advice, nailing 500 yard shots
  • Lessons: understanding; gear (electrolyte tablets, anti-fog wipes); speed in stages – finding position, thinking more smoothly; high angle shooting; the power of mental practice (see my write-up of lessons learned)
  • Ranges/events: Best of the West – getting data at 500yds; Red’s – trying out XDS 9mm and Glock 43 with a friend; Oklahoma – Run N Gun; Ft. Davis – Run N Gun, shot my .308 for the first time
  • Plans: Cabela’s in Waco/Buda this weekend to promote classes; long-distance shooting; MAG 40

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

http://www.firearmsafetyinstitute.com/

Paul/Susan – Paul trained a different student than I was supposed to this week.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

2- News 1

 

Lead News and Opinion: Maryland’s Modern Sporting Rifle Ban Stayed

Maryland’s so-called Firearm Safety Act of 2013 has been dealt a severe legal blow. One that gives all supporters of the Second Amendment hope for change. The 4th Circuit Court of Appeals remanded the Kolbe case back to the lower court for reconsideration under Strict Scrutiny, the most demanding test in Constitutional law. The court found the case should be tried in light of the Supreme Court’s Heller and McDonald decisions, which demand the Second Amendment be considered an enumerated right. Unfortunately, the judges didn’t go further and find the law unconstitutional.

 

According to 2nd Amendment legal scholar Andrew Branca, the Fourth Circuit’s instruction to utilize Strict Scrutiny is a very important one for the Second Amendment. All of the Constitution’s enumerated rights are subject to strict scrutiny – with the current exception of the Second Amendment. If that was to change, a law would have to have a particularly compelling governmental interest. And that law must also be narrowly tailored to actually achieve that interest. That level of scrutiny almost always leads to the law in question being found to as unConstitutional.

Other Circuits have allowed the use of Intermediate Scrutiny when examining gun laws, which usually allows a law based on nothing more than a State’s contention of public interest. With this conflict in the lower courts, the Supreme Court may finally take up this issue while the ideological mix remains friendly to the Constitution. The application of strict scrutiny to the Second Amendment, would be a complete game changer on gun rights on a national scale. As Branca summarizes: If strict scrutiny is applied to almost any law, the law falls.

That would be a great day for Freedom.  

 

Rob- en banc appeal.  That is a trick the chief judge uses to overturn a minority opinion that prevails in a three judge panel.

John – If Maryland doesn’t get their request for an en banc appeal, they will appeal to the Supreme Court. Their attorney general is very anti-gun and helped get the Maryland Firearm Safety Act passed.

Rachel- somebody break this down for me. What could this mean for Maryland? for others?

Rob-

John –

 

Supreme Court Strikes Down Obama’s EPA Regulations on Global Warming
The Supreme Court has struck down Obama’s use of EPA regulations to enforce his Global Warming program. In a 5 to 4 decision split along ideological lines, the Court eliminated the requirement that companies expanding industrial facilities or building new ones must evaluate ways to reduce carbon emissions. The Obama administration failed to get similar legislation through Congress. The Justices found that the EPA lacks the authority to force the companies to comply. The ruling could also be used to challenge the EPA’s other global warming efforts.   

 

This ruling is important to the Second Amendment as the normal reluctant Supreme Court has once again struck down one of Obama’s overreaches. Perhaps this will extend to the similar anti-gun executive order excesses. It also highlights the importance of who we put in the Oval Office in 2016. The new president could conceivably nominate four Supreme Court Justices during his or her two terms. The Supreme Court and the Second Amendment hangs on a precarious balance between the Constitutionalist and those that would dismiss the US Constitution as an old, outdated document written by dead, white guys.  

 

John – I hadn’t thought of this decision in this light but Charlie is correct. It also emphasizes what is at stake in this year’s presidential election. We need a Republican president who will appoint pro-gun justices for the anticipated openings in the Court.

 

Rob-

Paul – Ruth Ginsberg is almost certainly going to

 

Corruption in the Democrat Party

We’ll briefly note the overwhelming victory of one rabid anti-gun office-seeker over another in the New Hampshire primaries. Worth noting, however, is the undemocratic Democrat party election process. Despite 60% of the vote, and a 22% margin of victory, Bernie will receive less than half of the New Hampshire delegates.

 

Under Democrat National Committee rules New Hampshire has 24 “pledged” delegates allocated by the primary vote. Sanders has 13, and Clinton has 9, with 2 currently unassigned. However, by party rule, New Hampshire also has 8 “superdelegates,” who party officials can commit to whomever they like, regardless of the popular vote. Six of those superdelegates have been committed to Hillary, with two unassigned, giving Hillary 15 delegates over Bernie’s 13. Despite a virtual tie in Iowa and a tremendous victory in New Hampshire, overall Hillary has 394 delegates to Bernie’s mear 42.

Remember, if they’ll do this to their own, what do you think they’ll do to their blood enemies?

Paul – it sucks to work hard and earn something then have it taken away right Bernie?

 

Bloomberg Mad at McAuliffe
New York billionaire, Michael “Big Gulp” Bloomberg, has his lace panties all in a wad over Virginia Governor Terry “McAwful” McAuliffe’s perceived knuckling under to the NRA and state Republicans.  

Bloomberg and his Everytown for Gun Safety group poured about $2 million into McAuliffe’s attempt to give Democrats control of the state Senate. Despite that money, McAuliffe lost all three races he targeted. Then, when his attorney general eliminated CCW reciprocity with 25 states and ignited a state and nation-wide firestorm, McAuliffe had to accept a NRA and Republican backed bill that would provide for nearly universal CCW reciprocity. McAuliffe got a few small, mostly symbolic, face-saving concessions.   

The response from Bloomberg’s anti-gun minions in the press and social media was immediate and vicious. Everytown took out a full-page ad screaming “Terry McAuliffe is Wrong.” McAuliffe, a Clintonista operative with strong ties to New York City Progressives, responded quickly. In a speech, he dismissed the criticism,saying “everybody supports [the gun deal] except one gun-safety group out of New York City.” The Virginia chapter of Bloomberg’s Demanding Mommies immediately clutched their pearls. “I’m sooooooo angry at the governor for his comments,” said the volunteer leader of the state’s Mommies affiliate. McAuliffe’s spokesman had first referred to Everytown as a “group from New York” after it launched a sharp social media campaign against the governor. Now, McAuliffe has personally characterized Everytown as an outsider group meddling in Virginia politics. And the bleat goes on.

Don’t you just love it when the Progressives eat their own. Popcorn, Miggy?  

 

John – I would urge our listeners to pay attention to the interview with Philip Van Cleave on this issue.

Rob-

Paul – Hat tip to Miguel Gonzalez of the Gun Free Zone Blog

 

Police Chief Urges People To Arm Themselves

A 73-year-old Waterville, Maine woman was brutally attacked in her house and the town’s Police Chief is urging residents to to arm themselves.  

 

Police investigators say that 32-year-old Mark Halle broke into the victim’s home, beat her and sexually assaulted her at gunpoint.  Quote “This is the type of case one could make an argument that citizens should arm themselves… That a gun in the hand will probably protect you more than someone on phone saying, ‘The police are coming,’” end quote said Waterville Police Chief Joe Massey.

 

The chief says he knows gun control is a hot button issue, but he thinks it’s worth starting a conversation with seniors about protecting themselves. We heartily agree – but an effective means of self-protection is not just for seniors.  

 

John – A reminder to our Maine listeners – Bloomberg has been very active in the state.

Rachel- I’m glad

 

NY Times Reporter Flummoxed By Polite, Knowledgeable Gun Owners

A New York Times reporter did the unthinkable and actually left Times Square to talk to actual gun owners. What he found was quite amazing — at least to a New York Times reporter. It turns out that gun owners can be law-abiding, polite, knowledgeable, well spoken, reasonable and rational advocates for firearms and the Second Amendment. Who knew?  

 

One weekend, Lawrence Downes journeyed all the way to New Hampshire to experience a “Badass Divas” class for new women shooters at the Londonderry Fish and Game Club. Under the watchful gaze of the posterized “Firearms Salesman of All Time” the reporter was immersed in the gun culture. He found his hosts (quote) “could not have been friendlier, or more serious and sincere, or less moved by my case for gun restrictions. Laws that strike me as common sense they see as ominous.” (end quote) Well… yeah. The reporter couldn’t let all of his prejudices slip, dismissing the group’s concerns about government tyranny as “paranoia.” Neither could he get away from the obvious mistakes that are distressingly typical of the mass media: breathlessly describing handling a “9-millimeter revolver” for the first time or shooting a “fully automatic rifle with a drum magazine.”  

 

<Sigh>

We must remember that Rome wasn’t built in a day – and a New York Times reporter wasn’t educated in a weekend. Read the article linked in the shownotes – you too will be astonished by what you find.  

 

John – I doubt he had the Ruger LCR in 9mm

Gun Quotes  ..a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen…   District of Columbia Court of Appeals in Warren v. District of Columbia.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Dan and Cheryl Todd, Philip Van Cleave, and Grant Cunningham.

3-  Interview 1: Dan and Cheryl Todd of Gun Freedom Radio

 

4- Interview 2: Philip Van Cleave VCDL

 

5- Interview 3 Grant Cunningham

http://www.grantcunningham.com/

http://blog.hsoi.com/

 

6- DGUs

 

CCW Holder Saves Woman Being Stabbed – And Is Fired by GM

A woman was stabbed multiple times outside General Motor’s Detroit-area Vehicle Engineering Center. She was in danger of losing her life when a car valet – a Concealed Pistol License holder – drew his firearm and stopped the attack. No shots were fired. For his heroism, Didarul Sarder, 32, was escorted off GM property and terminated.  

Sarder, a supervisor with the valet service subcontracted by GM, was let go for violating his employment contract which prohibited carrying weapons. GM had little official comment, but GM employees hailed Sarder as a hero who saved the life of their coworker. The local mayor condemned the firing as the public exploded in outrage.  Smelling that all too familiar wiff of impending disaster, GM quietly reversed course. A company spokesman said that neither GM or the valet service fired Sarder. As of now, Sarder is officially unfired.  

The two people directly involved in the incident are apparently mother and daughter. The mother is hospitalized in critical condition and the daughter is in custody. The attack is said to be domestic related.

We congratulate Sarder for his selfless actions that saved a life. We also give a hat tip to his decision to value his life and his coworker’s above his job when he decided to arm himself. We also acknowledge GM’s uncharacteristic nimbleness in getting out of the way of a public relations nightmare. However, we are very pleased to ponder the GM employee’s, mayor’s and the public’s immediate and effective support of a man with a gun. A good guy who did good things.

The times, they are indeed a changing. Particularly in Motor City.

Rob-

 

Don’t Bring a Dumbass to a Gunfight
A Florida man ignored the most important rule of gunfighting: Don’t bring a dumbass to a gunfight. Jarell Blackmon, 24, allegedly tried to rob a local mercado armed with a replica handgun. The gun the store clerk drew was most certainly not a fake, and Blackmon ran from the store bleeding from a wound in the neck. A police K-9 found the suspect hiding nearby.

Blackmon has been charged with grand theft, armed robbery, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and a few more assundry charges. He confessed to police his firearm was fake. The store clerk has not been charged, as he believed the replica was real and that his life was in danger.

 

A fake gun will rightly put this thug behind real bars.  And it just about put him in the ground.

 

CCW Holder Stops a Mass Murder
A New Orleans gas station was the scene of an argument that escalated into an attempted mass murder. A group of ATV riders had stopped for gas when Richard Macklin, 30, arrived in his car. From police reports, Mackin became enraged during an argument with the men and started firing the gun he had concealed. Three of the riders were hit. However, one victims was able to returned fire with a legally possessed firearm. By his actions, he stopped an attack that could have easily become a multiple murder. Malkin was hit in the back of the head and immediately fled. He was found several hours later being treated at a local hospital. Malkin was booked on three counts of attempted second-degree murder, illegal use of a weapon, illegal carrying of a weapon, and possession of a firearm by a felon. The “good guy”, as described by his sister, was also arrested on an outstanding warrant for a recent domestic violence incident where he displayed a handgun, threatened to kill his ex-girlfriend and then punched her in the eye.

 

The armed ATV rider has not been charged in what police described as a clear case of self-defense. His weapon was legally possessed and he had a CCW license. However, three of the riders that escaped the gunfire via their ATVs were arrested for reckless operation of a vehicle. Detectives confiscated five of the victim’s ATVs that were not street legal. New Orleans is cracking down on unlicensed vehicles on their streets, a lucrative misuse of police manpower in one of America’s most violent cities.  

We certainly applaud the man that used his legally concealed handgun to (Wait for it, Shannon Watts!) stop a mass murder.  

 

Rob-

Paul-

Rob-

John – http://www.simplyrugged.com/ecommerce/Chesty-Puller-Suspension-System.cfm?item_id=160&parent=672

 

Homeowner Shoots Burglar in the Back
We all have that friend that lives by the motto “Better lucky than good.” An Oklahoma City homeowner was certainly lucky – and hardly good – but he’s alive and will likely escape the legal repercussions of an incident with a home invader.

The homeowner was awakened very late in the night by a loud banging on his door.  He grabbed a shotgun and went to investigate. He indeed found the trouble in the form of a suspect who had entered the home. They grappled for the shotgun, and the homeowner was fortunate to retain possession. While the criminal was trying to escape, the homeowner shot him in the back at some distance. Luckily, his self-defense load was birdshot, and the burglar was not severely injured.

It all comes down to training. With the proper training, the man would likely have been informed about correct weapon and load selection, proper tactics when confronting an invader, and when it’s legally allowed to employ deadly force. We sincerely applaud the man for defending his family – but other than that, he did almost everything wrong. While he apparently will escape the criminal justice system, we doubt if he will be as lucky in the civil courts.   

There’s no substitute for education.

 

Rob- Practice  Weapons retention

 

Gun Owner Saves Philadelphia-Area Cop

A gun owner and CCW permit holder stepped into a desperate situation to save the life of an Philadelphia-Area policeman. The cop found himself surrounded and attacked by a large group of teens. “There were 40 kids. If it wasn’t for the good Samaritan stepping forward, he’d have been dead meat,” said Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood.

At 3 o’clock most weekdays, nearly 4000 kids pour out of a local high school. Last Friday afternoon, things turned ugly. An officer was trying to break-up a fight when both teenage combatants jumped him. “There’s a crowd of 40 or 50 kids watching the fight, and they all move in towards the officer. That’s when the good Samaritan, who lives on the block, came out of his house with a gun in his hand and told the teens to get away from the cop” according to Chitwood. “He had the gun in his hand, but he didn’t point it at the kids, he just told them to back off. If this guy didn’t come out and come to the aid of the officer, this officer would have had significant problems.”

 

The trapped officer suffered significant hand injuries, An officer responding to the backup request suffered a major injury to a leg. The two fighters were arrested and sent to a juvenile detention facility.

It shows you that good people on both sides of the badge can work together.

 

GARY-  

Rob-  You mean he had to do more than phone the police and be a good witness?

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener Voice mail x2

Gary –

Also you can now text your comments to the show at 605-215-1438! (Beg for email and voicemail)

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Our First Email is from Steve with the subject line Show Feedback

 

Love, love, love, that you had Jenna Meek on the show!

I always appreciate the female perspective on your show, and when Susan and Rachel aren’t available, strong personalities like Jenna fill the void nicely.

Thanks!

–Steve

 

Paul – Jenna will be coming back on the show in 2 weeks to talk about her new book!

 

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Listener Greg from Bremerton emailed us this link with the comment “Could this be a case for, know your target and what lies beyond??”

 

http://www.kiro7.com/news/22-year-old-man-found-shot-dead-at-mt-vernon-home/66165798

 

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Clayton wrote in about several topics.

 

Dear polite society,

Thanks again for another great show last week.
(Note: Feel free to use these segments separately where they are relevant. )

To address the basic pistol segment: I am a USCCA instructor. I’d like to add that very few of my students are willing to invest the time to take my full class version; about 90% of them elect to take an abbreviated private lesson from me.
Their lack of dedication saddens me. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m not allowed to tie people to chair and give them the firearms education they need!

(Rob)

(Rachel)


In regards to Susan’s gun choice. I’d like to add that I am a strong supporter of Smith and Wesson’s M&P line. The Shield or the Compact in 9mm would serve you well. I suggest you get your hands on the new PPS M2 from Walther, it is almost exactly the same size as the Shield but styled very differently. It felt like a very nice piece.

I’d like everyone’s opinion on pocket .380’s
I prefer to carry my M&P CORE when concealment isn’t important, my Shield when it’s preferred, and wonder if I should invest in a Bodyguard to carry in mythological “gun free zones”.

 

John – I like my Sig P238.

Gary –

Paul –
Thank you for having Miss Corbin on your show. The public really needs to hear her story.
What impacted me the most is she was A. disarmed by the federal government in regards to buying a handgun and having a permit to carry it, and B. that she was “safe” in her home when this stranger broke in and attacked her there.
I’m tired of ridicule for being “paranoid” and carrying my gun in the home. This is not a safe world and home invasions happen all the time. It sickens me to know stories like Kimberly’s are prolific and I applaud her for getting her voice out there while most sink back into the shadows afterwards.


Lastly I’d like to add that I too am a CDL certified driver and don’t understand why the public thinks we won’t be forced to crush them if they brake in front of us!
Very glad to hear Paul never had to disarm in any of the states he trucked through last, I hope that is a trend that happens more often.  

P.S. If you’re ever in desperate need for a second driver on your way through Minnesota, you know where to find me!

P.P.S. Hoping I can make it to Sioux Falls this spring, Mag40 would be invaluable in my training. I’m very happy to hear about how pro gun South Dakota is!

-Clayton

 

Rachel – ridicule? be patient. conceal. don’t’ make a big deal of it.
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Jeff in Texas wrote in about an email we aired previously

 

In your recent episode you replied again to Terry’s email and I wanted to share my experience about the last sentence in his email.

 

“What makes them think that firing at a target for a few moments at the range can overcome their constant training to insure that they never point a gun at someone else because they are protecting the lives of others.”

 

Let me share an experience of mine.

 

Not long ago I took a force-on-force training class,  In the first scenario I did have to pull my gun and shoot,  But I only shot once.  My instructors asked why only once,  I really didn’t know why but further into the de-brief I told them that all my training to date told me never point a gun at someone.  As a result, I held back.

 

Fortunately my instructors reminded me that I needed to get mad. Get really mad; tap into it and fight. My next two scenarios both called for a justified shoot.   And yes, I got really mad and didn’t think about the number of shots I made, I just wanted the bad guy to stop,  I fired until he did stop, even when I got shot.  

 

The fighting mind set is not a pretty thing, but knowing I can fight means I don’t have to be a good little victim.  That’s a good thing.

Jeff L

Sachse, TX

 

group therapy!

 

Note: Sachse is pronounced “Sak-see”.

 

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Nathan wrote to Susan

 

Hey Susan and gang, 1st I would like to say you all are doing a great job. I am a regular listener and had just recently found your podcast. I enjoy it very much and you have a lot of useful information. The question I have is about my wife, let me give you a run down, at first she hated guns and didn’t want them around. I went shooting with some friends and I was hooked after that. It took me a couple of years to come around an decide to purchase 1, mostly because I saw how bad thing around the world was getting and I wanted to protect my family. So I saved up and went out and got a handgun. Needless to say she was a little hesitant about it. So I brought the whole family to a friends range so they could experience what I had enjoyed. We let them try different guns that he had. Ar15, Smith & Wesson Shield 9mm and my “new gun” Smith & Wesson SD9VE 9mm. She really didn’t like the AR15 or the Shield.  She preferred the S&W SD9VE. Most of the issue was safety around the kids. Which I understood so I bought a little safe to put it in so that she felt more at ease. Since then I have gotten my CCW and have joined the NRA and am working on my Life time membership with them. I also vote as was mentioned in the last podcast. My question is how to get her more into shooting? I have taken her to the range once before as a date and let her shoot the 380’s ( I am not mean lol) she still prefers the 9mm in  a subcompact size. I now have 2 hand guns (Glock 19 and a S&W Shield 9mm) so I can carry 1 and leave 1 at home for her to protect herself and the kids. From a woman’s view how would you suggest I get her more comfortable around “guns”. I am very safety conscious and have been teaching the kids about gun safety, including my son who love to go shooting his Remington bolt action 22 that his grandfather gave him. As far as me a training class is in my near future. Any suggestions?

 

P.S. sorry about the long email and being all over the place.

 

staying safe and armed in NC

 

Nathan

 

Rachel: Let her make her own decisions

it’s ok if guns aren’t her thing

Don’t give her 380’s. 9mm is often more comfortable.

Girl & A Gun club – give her info and let her decide

Appleseed…especially Ladyseed shoots

try a fun .22 – handgun or rifle

quiet ranges, short range time

Rob- Do not push.  Eddie Eagle for the kids.  Let her take a class.  22LR.  Ruger 10-22 rifle.  Buckmark.  Ruger 22-45.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-  I wrote an article called “Unarmed and Afraid in a Gun Free Zone”.  You can find that and more at Clash Daily.  Ammoland, and at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

John – If you haven’t figured out by now, this is a presidential election year and the airwaves in primary states are full of ads. I saw such an ad featuring former Attorney General Eric Holder endorsing Hillary Clinton. She sought Holder’s endorsement because she thinks it will help her with black voters in the SC Democratic primary. This led me to write a blog post with the inflammatory title, “She approves of dead Mexicans, gun running, and murdered Federal LEOs.” When you seek an endorsement, you get both the good and the bad about the endorser. Eric Holder was the most partisan, most disgraceful, most contemptible AG in the history of this country. Hillary doesn’t care about his role in Operation Fast and Furious and his contempt for the Constitution so long as it gets her one more vote in South Carolina. Hillary doesn’t care about those that have died and those that will die as a result of Holder’s quest for more gun control. They are just more casualties in her quest for the Presidency.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

Rob- limit letters to 300 words?

leveling software?

 

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Episode 365 – Are You On All The Lists?

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/365.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Paul’s Rant

4- Interview Segment 1: David Codrea

5- Interview Segment 2: Kimberly Corbin

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, February 4th, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with David Codrea about our violent cities.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Kimberly Corban about her advocacy for rape victims.

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and we will talk about Facebook banning private sales of firearms.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU’s we have to additions to the Don’t torque off the old guy series, so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 365 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Tried to register for a course in Baton Rouge.  I’m wait-listed.  Carry every day.

 

John – Just ordered the LASR App software, mini targets, and a webcam to use in practicing with my SIRT pistol. I watched how the software worked at the SHOT Show and am convinced that practice with it will enable me to detect and correct bad habits.

 

We are heading down tomorrow night to see our granddaughter Olivia. It has been a month since we’ve seen her and who knows how much she has grown in a month!

Rob- I have lasr.  I like it.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

http://www.firearmsafetyinstitute.com

http://www.isra.org/Participate/TownHall.aspx

http://www.isra.org/Participate/WillCountyGrassRoots.aspx

 

Paul/Susan – Mini rant on driving in adverse weather conditions. Planning for MAG 40. Planning for Cornered Cat. Can’t shake SHOT crud that Kowalski gave me. Pics tomorrow for the newspaper article.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

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2- News 1

1 Facebook Bans Private Gun Sales
Facebook, the world’s largest social media website, has moved against America’s legal gun owners.  In a surprise announcement, Facebook and Instagram immediately banned posts about guns offered for sale between private parties. The ban extended to gun parts and ammunition. Offers that were all completely legal. There was no explanation of what prompted the Facebook policy change, but Obama has long railed against the legal private sales of firearms via the Interwebs; objecting to the lack of a FBI background check. White House spokesperson Josh Earnest applauded Facebook’s action, but smugly would not say if Facebook’s decision was the result of any specific request from the administration.

The impact has been immediate, broad and severe. Facebook started pulling down gun sales posts instantly. Many gun or gun-rights oriented groups were banned outright, removed for what Facebook called violations of its terms of service. Facebook has unjustly equated firearms with marijuana, pharmaceuticals and illegal drugs and groups that are hateful, threatening or obscene. Members of the Bradys, Bloomberg’s Demanding Mommies and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, as well as many so-called Social Justice Warriors swarmed Facebook, reporting anything remotely gun related. Facebook’s notorious “Ban first – ask questions later” policy resulted in the wholesale elimination of a large swath of gun groups, many with no connection to gun sales.

Facebook gun group administrators fought back by tightening their rules, eliminating questionable posts, refusing new members and changing the groups names and keywords to limit notice by the SJWs. Often, those efforts were not enough. Many gun groups are going elsewhere, to private websites, forums and friendlier social media sites like GunDistrict,  Myspace and MeWe. This fragmentation has already caused a negative impact to the effectiveness of the gun culture.

It should be noted that as a private company, Facebook has every right to regulate its business as it desires. Should they be limiting free speech about a lawful, enumerated right is an entirely different question. However, any government coercion aimed at chilling lawful conduct is at best unethical and certainly an abusive use of executive power. We must be on our guard.

 

This was a warning. Gun Culture 2.0 is in many ways a child of Al Gore’s internet. The new ability to find one another, organize and communicate significantly changed the game from when communication was largely controlled by a hostile mass-media. To illustrate: gun rights advocates have repeatedly frustrated the current administration by quickly distributing information and coordinating a response to their excesses. However, the new capabilities rely on an internet largely controlled by the left-leaning elite of Silicon Valley. Facebook CEO and majority stockholder Jeff Zuckerberg, recently anointed as the fourth richest man in the world, could indulge a whim or pressure and ban every mention of firearms, self-defense or rights on his site. Other social media sites could follow suit, effectively eliminating most firearm and rights related communication. The remaining sites and forums would also be at risk where the government controls the internet Off Switch and the UN has been given control of what goes on the world wide web. It could happen tomorrow. It’s in our best interest to begin to develop our own secure, gun and free speech rights friendly websites and communication channels.

We have been warned.  

 

Paul -(Getting my comments in the show planned out tonight while I have some time) Our main Facebook page has not been affected There was a time the day after this happened that I was having problems accessing a private group that the staff uses to discuss show topics and arrange schedules was unavailable to me, but it has returned to normal. I even belong to some “gun swap” groups that have yet to be pulled down. Has anyone personally seen anything happen on this?   

 

Charlie Foxtrot – Yep, I been closely watching it happen. I’ve seen gun sale/ trade groups eliminated, as well as AR-15 and 1911 groups that allowed no gun sale posts. Facebook even took down a 10/22 group. Dan

 

John – I’m not going to name pages but gun sales are still there. That said, I prefer to go to places like GunDistrict.com or local type sites like Carolina Shooters Club.

 

Rob- I administer a few facebook pages.  We are now very strict about who we let in as members.  Facebook faces lots of government regulation.  That means they have to toe the party line.

 

2 South Dakota Gun Permits Jump
Up there above the Arctic Circle, Paul and Susan’s South Dakota is shattering previous records for concealed carry permits. Secretary of State Shantel Krebs released a report showing the number of concealed carry permits issued in the state climbed from December’s record-breaking 2,968 to 3,879 in January.

 

Minnehaha County Sheriff Mike Milstead said the uptick is largely driven by people wanting to protect their families from violent crime and political discussion surrounding gun laws. He wouldn’t be surprised if permit number hovered around the high-side until November. “It seems like every time there is a national tragedy that sparks the gun discussion of adding additional restrictions on firearms or limiting firearms the result is a significant spike in gun sales… and people wanting to make sure they have their concealed carry permits,” Milstead said.

 

Congratulations to South Canada!  A Minnehaha, indeed!   

rob-

3 Austin bookstore offering 10 percent discount to open-carriers
In Rachel’s Texas, Austin’s Brave New Books offers a 10 percent discount to all customers open-carrying in their store. The bookstore has also hosted a symposium to help Texas residents learn more about open-carry legislation. There was also a panel of firearms freedoms activists who discussed Second Amendment activity in Texas.

Brave New Books joins Brooks Place, the Houston-area barbecue joint, who offer a 25 percent discount to customers who wear their weapons in the open.

Guns, books and barbeque make Texas – and ‘Murica! – great!

 

4 Connecticut Federal Legislators Ask Food Chain to Ban Open Carry
Three of Connecticut’s US legislators are asking the Connecticut Food Association to ban open carry in their stores. In Connecticut, carrying a handgun openly is legal if you have a carry permit, but businesses can ban the practice. The three lawmakers sent CFA a letter saying, “There is simply no reason someone would need to bring their gun with them in order to purchase milk, bread or other necessities at a grocery store. Customers should feel safe while shopping, and employees should not be fearful while doing their jobs. You have the opportunity to take a strong stance in support of creating a safe, welcoming environment in Connecticut’s food retailer.”

 

The legislators are conveniently ignoring all the times a concealed carry permit holder armed and willing to act made all the difference in a violent crime. It remains to be seen how Connecticut Food Association will respond to Blumenthal, Murphy, and Esty. We hope that CFA doesn’t ignore the lesson of Kroger Foods, who were similarly targeted by the Demanding Mommies for allowing open carry in their stores. Kroger took the principled stand of respecting the local area’s gun laws in the face of a threatened boycott. The boycott did not materialize, but the gun owner’s opposing buycott increase the chains profits by about 25%.  

The politicians should know that gun owners vote, at the ballot box and with their wallets.

 

Rob- What did I just say?  The power to regulate is the power to control.  Stores who donated to conservative causes have been driven out of business.

 

john – I’ve always despised Blumenthal as he lied about being a Vietnam vet. He was a Vietnam ERA vet. If he’ll lie about that, he’ll lie about anything.

 

5 Iowa Caucus Chicanery

We’ll briefly note the narrow win of one anti-Constitution, anti-rights, anti-gun candidate over another in the Iowa presidential caucus. Worth examining, however, is the way that victory was earned – or not earned.  It appears the Democrat caucus process is as nontransparent and questionable as Chicago elections — and no one seems to find that unusual.  

By all indications the race between Bernie and Hillary was a very close one. It came down to six contested precincts that –  improbably – had to be decided by a coin flip. A flip that Hillary won all six times. Statistically, that run of luck has only a 1 and a half percent probability of occurrence. That would be just one more in a long string of Clinton “miracles.” In addition, the Democrat National Committee is keeping the poll numbers secret. Bernie  and the public will never know how he actually did in the very important first presidential voting. How is that acceptable?

If the Progressives are willing to do that to one of their own, just what do you think they’d be willing to do to their self-described blood enemies?  We must keep a sharp eye out for voting fraud.

 

John –

3-  News 2
The Trucker’s Rant

 

Yesterday marks 4 years since I flipped the switch and recorded the first episode of the Politics and Guns Podcast.  A lot of things have changed in the 4 years that I have been doing this show, I have gone through several co-hosts,  which must mean that I am difficult to work with. Susan, would you agree with that?  We have changed the name of the show. We have positively exploded in downloads. My first week of podcasting I had 78 downloads. The first month was a staggering 487. Last month we had over 25,000 downloads.  I believe that the quality of the show has gone WAY up. I went back recently and listened to some of my first few shows and positively shuddered.  However one thing hasn’t changed.

 

There is a fairly good sized portion of our community that has something that I call “I don’t want to get on a list-itis”. If you aren’t one of our community that is inflicted with this awful affliction it’s probable that you know one or more people who are. Usually these people are preppers, or strongly identify with that segment of the population.  You have almost for certain heard them say at One time or another “well, I would, but I don’t want to get on a list”. I have found 2 groups of these people, those who claim “op-sec” and are so certain that Obama and his ilk are coming for their guns that they want to keep everything on the “down low”. They figure if they keep quiet and try their hardest to stay off the radar that the government will pass them by and not bother them. The second type is the kind of person that doesn’t want to make waves. They like their hunting or target shooting guns and don’t really care about much in the community but may have a relative or even spouse that is anti gun and they don’t want to rock the boat.

 

I have heard of people going as far as to bury guns, and in the fine words of our own Charlie Foxtrot,  “If you bury your head – and your guns – you’ve lost already. If things go as they fear – there will NEVER come a time to unbury them. Stand together, stand strong, stand firm – and the day our rights will be shattered nationwide will never come. We force the lawless administration to back down time and time again – just through expressing our concerns and anger.”

 

Let’s talk about why it is not only important to be on lists, but why we all need to be on more of them. First of all, in all levels of the government, from your home owners association  (not actually a form of government usually) to  towns and counties local boards to the federal government look at statistics and base their decisions on what will keep them in office rather than what is best for the people. So if they are considering something that hurts firearms owners and they don’t hear from anyone but Mayor Mike and the demanding mommies, they will think that that is their constituency, say goodbye to your rights However if they get a call from a few of Shannon’s  mommies in support of further regulation, and calls from hundreds of regular people who tell them they are about to make a mistake by passing those regulations, say goodbye to Mrs Watts. Having contacted anything above the HOA (and maybe even them) you will be on their list of contacts. You will also make the “list” of contacts that they maintain.  It’s quite common for my congresswoman’s staff to email me updates, this is not the re-election please send money email that everyone gets, including me, but an update on issues I have contacted her about before.

 

The next list I would love to see our listeners on is the list of campaign volunteers.  I am more than a little tired of hearing “but my guy (usually the last name Paul is in there somewhere) doesn’t have a chance”. Where do you think that people like Rand Paul get votes? They don’t personally get on the phone or go knock on doors. They have campaign workers do that. You want to get a politician’s attention?  Show up to their office as the election push is starting and talk to one of the volunteer coordinators.  Tell them that you are willing to work the phone, knock on doors,  stuff flyers, do whatever,  but the reason that you are willing to do that is solely because candidate x is fighting for 2nd Amendment rights. You accomplish 2 things here, you help spread the word about your candidate and you get the message to that candidate that their work helping us is directly helping them. Also if they know that a large base of people working to get and keep them in office will work for someone else if they don’t tow the line does a good job of keeping our cause in the front of their minds. How is this list related?  You will of course be on the volunteer list of that campaign and will get email and letters.

 

Let’s get on another list shall we? Everything I have said up till now won’t cost you a penny, but that changes here. Are you a member of a gun rights group?  The NRA is about $ 35 To join for a 1 year full price membership. The cost of a few boxes of self defense ammo.

 

This is a list we need to be on. I can hear some of you now saying “But Paul, I don’t agree with everything that the NRA does!”  I don’t either. I have had some fairly public dislike of the NRA and for about a year after Sandy Hook I would not promote them. I have come to realize that they are right more than 90% of the time. If they were a politician we would all be clamoring to get them into office. SO if you are like me, and some of the things that the NRA does rub you the wrong way get a 5 year membership. Get voting rights. We can change the NRA if there are enough of us.

 

For a second let’s think what membership in the NRA means. The NRA claims 4.5 million members. according to the most recent numbers that I could find in a quick internet search there are 3.5 million NFA items in the US as of 2012. Of course we know that there are a LOT more NON NFA firearms in the country, and since there is no national registration for non NFA items there is no real way to accurately see how many firearms owners there are. Estimates range from  35 to 45 percent of households. Now there is often more than one adult in a household, so we could see numbers as high as 125 million gun owners. That means that the largest lobbying organization in the US actually only counts about 3% of gun owners in its paid ranks.

 

This is an abomination, what do you think would happen if the NRA counted members and it were 15 million? 20 million? A little while ago there was a push happening on social media to buy a New York politician gift NRA memberships. While I do appreciate the attitude, I think that the action was not quite right. Instead of buying a membership for an Anti-Rights politician how about you buy a membership for a single mother who owns a gun and might benefit from the knowledge of the NRA publications? Or for your cousin who just got their first AR?

 

One side note here, lest you think that I am straying from my staunch support of the good folks over at the SAF. I am a proud life member of the SAF and I think that you should be a member as well. Many if not most of the recent victories that have put us back on track to regaining the full effectiveness of the 2nd Amendment have come directly as a result of lawsuits the SAF has brought.

 

Now I am going to spend some more of your money on lists. Do you REALLY want to strike fear into the Government? Buy an NFA item I said earlier that there were 3.6 million NFA items. What if we all went out and got suppressors? What if several hundred of us acquired a SBS or SBR?  These NFA items can still be legally sold as new construction to the public, with the background check and tax stamp, while the full autos no longer can be sold as new manufacture. If you buy a suppressor, SBR, or SBS the numbers go up, and the Government knows that you are active.

 

Let’s be honest here folks. The government IS NOT GOING to come door to door to take your guns. There are too many out there and the logistics alone prove the impossibility. Could we lose our rights by apathy? You bet! If we all just crawl into a corner and stay off the lists and keep our mouths shut our rights will go away. Little by little, piece by piece, regulation by regulation, law by law, .. If we are active, if we are on not just one but MANY lists, so that when put together the numbers are so overwhelming that we dare not be touched, the rights that are secured by our 2nd Amendment can not only be held, but RESTORED to what they should be.

 

Finally I am going to mention the one list that we all MUST be on. The one that has been assumed up to this point in my talk that we all are. That is the list of registered voters. If you are not registered to vote and voting you are hurting us! When the show first started I used to mention a website a lot, I think that it is time that I begin to do so again the site is http://www.wallbuilders.com/vote/ If you go there you can make certain that you are registered to vote, and you can also check to see if your buddies from the range are registered as well. Four years ago we missed the chance to change the course of the leadership for our nation. If we miss the chance this time our rights could easily be in danger of eroding again.

 

Am I on all of the lists I described? No, I am not. I am working on getting on all of them, and more, but I am on most of those lists.

 

Rob- It sounds like we’re reading the same news.

John – The most important list I’m on is the voting list. I registered to vote on April 24, 1975. It was my 18th birthday. I went down to the Guilford County Courthouse to register.

 

Rob- Gun quote- They will never outlaw all of your guns at once. But every ‘reasonable’ control they can impose without your resistance gives them one more bit of leverage to make gun ownership for you and your children and your grandchildren as difficult as possible. ~ David Kopel

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests David Codrea and Kimberly Corban.

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4- David Codrea about our Violent Cities

the war on guns

http://www.ammoland.com/2016/01/bloomberg-cities-make-top-50-list-for-worlds-most-violent/#axzz3ybNSkKZN

article at ammoland about the most violent cities in the world.  Some of them are in the US.

different world.

Gun free countries

Gun free cities

Bloomberg mayors against illegal guns

government control vs gun control

 

5 Kimberly Corban about the gun ban bigots

You were raped in May of 2006.  You suffered PTSD and had trouble staying in college.

You did an extraordinary job in helping convict your attacker.  You’re another Sherlock Holmes.  The Weld County District Attorney said you’re a role model for every rape victim.  

You became an advocate for rape victims.

Defense attorneys don’t like seeing you.  Some politicians don’t like seeing you either after you became an activist for armed self-defense.

How has your message been received.

Some listen.  Some ignore.

Kimberly Corban Survivor

 

Cheryl Todd about the anti-gun “but”ers

Dan and Cheryl Todd on Gun Freedom Radio- on the 960 the Patriot http://960thepatriot.com/  Saturdays 1:00 pm – 3:00 pm

http://gunfreedomradio.com/

 

Their gun store- AZ Firearms http://azfirearms.com/

Spike in ammo sales, but not as crazy as 2013.

Don’t like panic buying, and we have not seen it.

Also Class 3 dealers.  We don’t see a spike in class 3 sales.. not yet.

spike in NFA items?

22 long rifle is the gateway drug for new gun owners.

Every gun owner who brought friends shooting slurped up the 22?

22 magnum is hard to get

 

Their blog- http://gunfreedomradio.com/gun-freedom-radio-blog/

Don’t be a “but” http://gunfreedomradio.com/2016/02/01/138/

On NRA News Cam and Company- https://www.nranews.com/series/cam-and-company/video/cam-and-company-season-12-episode-19/episode/cam-and-company-season-12-episode-19

 

6- DGUs

Texas CCW Holder Saves Texas Deputy

Armed with a weapons-grade mustache and a concealed carry weapon, a Texas Marine veteran stopped a suspect trying to use a deputy’s gun against him. “I’m alive today because of him,” deputy Dylan Dorris, 23, said.

“Freeze!” yelled Scott Perkins as he pulled out his concealed handgun. The thug stopped the attack and fled. No shots were fired. Kenton Desean Fryer, 32, of Arkansas was captured shortly after and charged with aggravated assault of a public servant, taking an officer’s weapon, evading arrest or detention with a vehicle and driving while under the influence with a child under 15. He sits in jail on $50,000 bail.

 

Sgt. James Davenport, the supervising officer of the incident said <quote>“This day and time, a lot of people would just drive by and keep going. To see someone that will stop and help is special. This is a situation where being a license to carry holder truly did save a life.” <unquote> Perkins, who served two tours in Iraq as a Marine, doesn’t see himself as a hero. The Bastrop County Sheriff disagrees; the department plans to honor Perkins with a sheriff’s commendation for his efforts to help Deputy Dorris.

Well done, Marine. Well done, indeed!

John –

 

CCP Holder Uses Gun to Stop Three Robbers
A Virginia Beach, Virginia McDonald’s parking lot erupted in gunfire when a victim was knocked to the ground and robbed by three men. They had met in the night to transfer a cell-phone. During the purchase, one of the three sellers hit the victim in the head, sent him to the ground, then robbed him of the phone. The victim, drew his legally carried gun and fired, driving the three away.  No one was hit, and the trio was later arrested during a traffic stop and have been charged with a host of felonies and are held without bond.  

John –

 

A Gun and Domestic Violence
A woman shot and killed her boyfriend who was  armed with a weapon. Police responded to a shots-fired call at an El Mirage, Arizona home. There they found a dead man and the woman who had shot and killed him after some kind of domestic violence. She was questioned and released. Police say her adult daughter saw what happened and backed her mother’s story. Two other children were also in the home and were fortunately not hurt. Police aren’t saying exactly why the woman fired in self-defense, but they say the man had some sort of weapon.

 

Neighbors say it was obvious the couple was having trouble. The mother and the boyfriend used to argue a lot, they said, and there was a history of domestic violence at the home. “She’s a very sweet lady as far as I know–and her kids”, said a neighbor, who let her children play with the woman’s.  

Police had been called to the residence several times. Despite the official’s becoming aware of an ongoing problem, there was no resolution to the issue. Unfortunately, it seems a gun was necessary in this sad case. However, we wish things could have been resolved long before gun play was required.

 

There’s Self Defense Even in Chicago

Even on the South Side of Chicago the undeniable right to self-defense remains. A woman enduring a beating was able to defend herself against the man who had broken into her home. She used a gun to save her life.  

Reginald Brown, 30, died assaulting the homeowner, whom he knew. The case has been classified as domestic related. Brown was pronounced dead at the scene at 5:35 a.m. from a gunshot wound to the chest.

 

The woman has a valid FOID card, although that trivial fact should not matter. No charges were expected to be filed in the shooting. If so, her actions will be seen as a lawful homicide, by far the most important fact. Especially to the woman now alive because she had the ability to use a gun to defend her life.  

 

Rob-

John – Fortunately the lady was in Chicago and not Denmark.

 

Don’t Torque-Off The Old Guy — With a .45!

And finally, we bring you another two in our continuing Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy series.

Joe Milspa was enjoying his golden years in his San Jacinto, California home. Then some scum-bucket interrupted his lazy Sunday morning by using an axe to try to bust through his door. The 92-year-old man grabbed his 1911 and was approaching the door when a window was smashed in by the burglar getting into the house. Ol’ Joe reacted with all the courage and skills honed while defending this nation during World War II. “I could have shot the [insert colorful description] right in the head between the eyes. But I didn’t want to do that. I would have been in trouble.” Instead, the old guy blew a .45 caliber bullet past the intruder.

The axeman (see what we did there?) got the rather pointed message, and realizing there were seven even more pointed messages behind the first, beat a very hasty retreat. He left his axe and several other items behind. Police continue to search for the dark complexioned 20 to 30-year-old, who so far has avoided all the local donut shops. Old Guy Joe is fixing his house, then he’s off to the shooting range where he’s gone for decades.

The axeman learned, just like the Axis Powers did 70 years ago, you just don’t torque-off the old guy.  

Rob- If you’re life is in danger then you don’t need a warning shot.


Don’t Torque-Off The Other Old Guy
Finishing his lawn work, a 70-year-old Northern California homeowner tried to get into his front door, but found it locked. The on-the-ball old guy remembered leaving it open, so he drew his pocketed handgun and entered his own house through a window. Inside, he found Enrique Garza, 54, and subdued him at gunpoint. He order the gang and prison tattooed invader to <quote> “put his hands up, go outside and sit down in the front yard until police arrived.” <unquote>

 

The Fresno Sheriff’s helicopter videoed the criminal meekly sitting on the ground under guard, while the old guy waved his free arm to flag down arriving officers.

The thug should have learned you never, ever torque-off the old guy. And you get off of his lawn!

 

Paul –

 

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Voice mail –

 

Beg for emails, threaten to start sharing MY recipes.

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Terry wrote in and said that in editing his email last week we changed the meaning of the email, so here is the original unedited email

 

Could Joe Biden’s advice, “Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,” have more validity than we have given credit?

Let’s start with the reckless endangerment myth.  Below is a photo of a group of dove hunters, there are probably hunters surrounding this field all armed with loaded shotguns. But why are none of them hunkered down behind sandbags or wearing body armor for protection. The only protections they have are safety glasses, ball caps and possibly ear plugs and yet they are safe. First they are shooting small pellet bird shot, then there are field safety rules you never fire on a horizontal plane always fire up into the air. So why is it that in the city these same procedures are a hazard to everyone within 20 miles even if they are in the basement of a 2 story home? It is easy to push this line of reasoning over an urban populace that has no experience hunting with a shotgun but why would the hunting community let this go unchallenged in court.

Photo from Google search

The next shouting fit from the tactical experts you would hear is never fire warning shots if you are really in danger. But let’s look at human nature, I can’t quote figures but I think it was Lt. Dave Grossman that researched the low percentage of people in the military and law enforcement that could not shoot another human even with training and a mindset to take a life. Why would we expect an untrained civilian man or woman to overcome this natural instinct? Now I know there is a special class of men who are proven in combat but how many trainers have never fired a shot in anger but speak like they have. What makes them think that firing at a target for a few moments at the range can overcome their constant training to insure that they never point a gun at someone else because they are protecting the lives of others.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- We have a million new gun owners each month.  Welcome, but there is more to being a gun owner than buying ammunition. Spend some of your money on political ammunition rather than lead and brass.  Join the groups who defend your right of self-defense.

 

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2016/02/03/it-is-time-for-gun-owners-to-get-political/

 

Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I want to point out some good news that came in a bit late for our news segment. In an important ruling today, the 4th Circuit Ct of Appeals said the District Court for Maryland made a mistake when it used intermediate scrutiny to decide a case involving Maryland’s ban on ARs and AKs along with standard cap magazines. The District Court said Maryland could ban them. Now the 4th Circuit is saying that since it involved the Second Amendment the judge should have used strict scrutiny – that is Maryland has to have an overwhelmingly compelling reason to ban those common firearms. They have send the case back to be reheard and redecided using strict scrutiny. What they didn’t do was say the Maryland ban was null and void. It is still in effect. Bummer.

 

And because Paul insisted, I blogged about a Masterpiece Arms carbine in 9mm that is a frankenrifle. It combines a FAL lower with a MAC-10 upper, throws in a Finnish SMG 71 round drum, and finishes with a AR style handguard. I think they were made in the mid 2000s.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank David Codrea and Kimberly Corban for joining us today.  Next week we have Cheryl and Dan Todd, and Phil Van Cleave with us.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 364 – Pushing Back On Obama’s Latest Anti-Gun Executive Actions

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/364.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment:  

2- News Segment 1:

3- News Segment 2:

4- Interview Segment 1: Tatiana Whitlock:

5- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, January 28 of 2016, I’m Rob Morse

John: I’m John Richardson and on tonight’s show we will talk with Reed Snyder from the AR15 Podcast.

Tatiana: I’m Tatiana Whitlock, and we found out that the FBI stopped all appeals if you were denied a background check.

Jenna: I’m Jenna Meek and we’ll talk about the gun battles and court battles after the Obama Administration sent guns to Mexican Drug Gangs.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a robbery victim brings a hunting rifle to a gunfight .. so climb aboard

Tatiana: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

John: episode 364 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- This is our personal news segment.  Rachel is traveling to a shooting event, so she isn’t with us today.  Paul is training a new truck driver so he couldn’t join us either.  We have Tatiana and Jenna joining us today to help with the podcast.  Let’s start with John.  Welcome back from SHOT show.

 

John- Recovering after the SHOT Show. It took me a day and a half to both get there and get home.  I did get to see the Pacific Ocean on my way home from Las Vegas as well as Houston. The best part of the SHOT Show was seeing old friends and making new ones. For example, I got to finally meet Ken Kowalski of Modern Rifleman Radio and Reed Snyder of AR15 Podcast in person. I got to see our old friend Rev. Kenn Blanchard who was introducing 2AO.org which is an outreach to minorities and women. As for other old friends who I saw at the SHOT Show, I saw Tatiana there who was kind enough to pose for a selfie with me.

 

Tatiana- Hi, I’m Tatiana Whitlock director of training and development at Ann Arbor ARms Academy (A4), NRA Women’s Network member and firearms instructor. It was an honor to attend Shot Show this year and introduce A4 and our diverse offering of courses for those seeking foundational firearms, self defense and emergency preparedness education. The best part of the show of course, taking selfies with members of our community we only get to see at the yearly Shot Show Family Reunion!

 

Jenna- Hi, I’m Jenna Meek with Carry On Colorado.  I am a certified MAG Use of Deadly Force  Instructor and I teach alongside my husband in the greater Denver area. Our focus is on self-protection as a whole. We offer classes on violence awareness and avoidance, gun skills and the legal aftermath of a defensive shooting.  I was not able to make SHOT this year as my energy has been focused on a  big project, but,  I was able to take enough time off to teach a Concealed Handgun Permit class this week which a was a lot of fun.

 

Gary – Someone posted this article from Field & Stream on Facebook. As I don’t go to SHOT I try to read the articles just to get a feel of what is happening at the show. In the first paragraph the author complains about how the show has grown, which seems like a good thing to me. In the second paragraph he says that range day sounded like the Battle of Dak To, or perhaps Fallujah, with the distinctive pop-pop-pop of full-auto fire, which was extremely popular amongst all the SEAL wannabes. While I’ve never been to SHOT I did go to The Gun Store a couple of times to shoot full auto guns when I lived in Vegas, and I never wanted to be a SEAL. I just did it because I thought it was fun, the same reason I go on water slides. I just wanted to point out  that it hurts all of us when we mock any segment of our industry. I had another start to an excellent private group concealed carry class. A student that I trained over a year ago contacted me to ask about mixing ball and hollow point ammo in his concealed carry pistol.

 

Rob- Carried every day.  Dry practiced.  Went shooting.  Called a state senator in California and asked him about the delay processing Concealed Carry Applications.  He is still looking into the delays.  I helped Cheryl Todd get a blog started at GunFreedomRadio.   Was a guest on Armed American Radio for two hours, and I’m shopping for a bedside gun box.

 

Comment – Gary – Rob, I use the GunVault MiniVault Deluxe GV1000D and of course like you Rob, I train with all of my equipment and I’ve got to tell you after years of owning this safe it is still awkward to draw from it. I would recommend you look into Hornady Security Rapid Gun Safe  or V-Line 5 Button Lock Top Draw Hand Gun Safe or any other where the lid opens up completely. I also will mention that Rob Pincus is a SpokesRep for GunVault and he recommends storing a semiauto with an empty chamber because you are going to be acquiring this gun typically in a groggy state.

 

Consider a wristband/key fob.

 

John- We’ll be back with the news after this break.

BREAK

2- News 1

1 Pushing Back On Obama Latest Anti-Gun Executive Actions

Tatiana- Attorney General Loretta Lynch was called before the Senate Appropriations panel to defend Obama’s latest anti-gun executive actions. Lynch described the 80 million dollar efforts as “well-reasoned measures, well within existing legal authorities, built on work that’s already underway.” Obama’s actions include significantly broadening the definition of sellers the government will consider “in the business” of selling firearms. Even those selling a few guns online or at gun shows could be required to get their FFL license and perform background checks. Other actions include requiring doctors to inform the FBI of patients suspected of mental illness, and thus eliminating their patients 2nd Amendment rights forever.

 

Committee chairman Richard Shelby said quote “This subcommittee will have no part in undermining the Constitution and the rights that it protects.”  The Appropriations panel was largely divided along party lines. However, in another committee Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) embarrassed herself by urging her fellows to; “…Solve the problem. Let’s not get involved in Constitutional arguments.”  We fear that Mikulski is not alone in her off-handed dismissal of the Constitution.  

 

At the same time, Obama was named in the first lawsuit challenging his anti-gun executive actions. Freedom Watch accused Obama of circumventing Congress to “invent” new gun laws.  Quote “These actions are unconstitutional abuses of the president’s and executive branch’s role in our nation’s Constitutional architecture.” Also named as defendants were Loretta Lynch and Thomas Brandon, director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

 

Summarizing her testimony, Lynch told the senators she has “no illusions that these measures by themselves will end gun violence in America.” and we have to agree with her.

 

John – Given that the Clinton Admin cut down on home based or kitchen table FFLs, this seems to reverse it.

Rob- other than excusing long delays at atf and fbi

Gary –

 

john- 2 Fast and Furious 50 Cal Found in El Chapo’s Hideout
Speaking of gun control, or lack of same, Obama’s discredited Operation Fast and Furious is once again in the news. A .50 BMG rifle was found in drug warlord El Chapo’s hideout when raided by Mexican Marines, and traced back to the ATF program. The .50 caliber gun is powerful enough to take down a helicopter or stop a car in the breathless prose of the media. Obama’s administration provided the 50 cal and thousands more guns to the drug cartels as Obama tried to discredit American gun owners and gather support for additional anti-gun measures. The thousands of weapons illegally given to the cartels have been directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of Mexican citizens and two American law enforcement officers. The weapons have been found at crime scenes from Mexico to Texas, Arizona and California.

Former Attorney General Eric Holder was held in Contempt of Congress for refusing to provide Fast and Furious documents to the investigation. Holder was allowed to retire. Obama declared that the required records were covered by his executive privilege. That executive order was immediately challenged in Federal court. Now, a federal judge has rejected Obama’s assertion of executive privilege. The judge didn’t question Obama’s privilege claim, but ruled that the claim could not be sustained because of the other information the Justice Department had already released, namely an Office of Inspector General report released in September 2012.

 

The judge will hear more arguments before ordering the documents released. Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) said the Operation Fast and Furious documents could implicate Holder and his staff. It would be up to the incoming administration to choose to deal with the crimes that have cost so many people their lives. The memory of Agent Brian Terry demands nothing less.  

 

John – Even if Congress does get the documents, a lot will depend on Rep. Jason Chaffetz, the new chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, actually doing something with them. While he has talked a good game, he hasn’t been on this like Darrell Issa.

 

Rob 3 FBI stops appeals for NICS checks

The rate of gun sales has more than doubled since June.  We are selling over 3.3 million firearms a month.  That overwhelmed the ability of the FBI to process “instant” background checks.. and I put quotes around the word “instant”.  Several things are happening here.  Investigators have less time to separate you from a prohibited person with a similar name, separate you from an illegal alien who is using your social security number, and separate your information from the prohibited person that used to live at your address.  The investigators produce more incorrect rejections.  You can appeal your rejection if you think you’ve been falsely denied, but the FBI stopped processing appeals in October.

 

The FBI is breaking the law.. again.  The Brady Law that created the background check system gives the FBI 5 days to provide an explanation for the background check rejection and to correct errors in their records.  They don’t, and they won’t.  Not this Obama Administration.

 

This is why the state and local laws are critically important.  Some state laws don’t require a background check for some purchasers, say if you have a carry permit for example, or if you’re buying from another private seller.  Some states give the federal government three days to explain why you were denied.  The sale can proceed after three days unless the government provides an explanation.  Other states require that you pass the background check.  In those states, all the government has to do is stop processing background checks and then gun sales stop.

 

Rob- This bothers me.  It is time we write laws that assume the government is corrupt and incompetent.  Credit card companies process a thousand times more data than the FBI.  When was the last time their system went down?  Also, why do I have to prove that I’m not a felon?  The list of prohibited persons is small.  It would fit on a flash drive.  Again, I like the green stripe idea that shows I’m a card carrying good guy.  It acts like a concealed carry permit in that it shows you’ve passed a background check.

 

Gary –

John – Does your LA permit allow you to purchase without a NICS check?

Jenna- TX did, last I knew

 

Gary- 4 Gun owners are everywhere!

Some news media reluctantly admit there are a record number of guns being sold, but they claim that the number of gun owners is decreasing  as fewer and fewer gun owners buy more and more guns.  The data says otherwise.

 

This is from our colleague Dean Weingarten who posts at Gun Watch.  Last year, the number of legal Massachusetts legal gun owners increased nearly 8 percent.  We have this data because all legal gun owners require a state license.  Massachusetts is part of a small and shrinking minority of states that requires each gun owners to be licensed.  The number of licenses increased by 7.8 percent from this time last year.

 

There is also a hint from a related trend.  The total number of private guns in the United States has increased by about 90 million in the last seven years.  At the same time, the number of people who are willing to admit to gun ownership in national polls has varied considerably.  Some polls have shown gun ownership up, some have shown it going down.  The issue is clouded because polls ask different questions; some about whether there is a gun in the house; others as to whether the person answering the poll owns a gun.  Massachusetts serves as an example of hard evidence because the state requires a license to own a gun and we can easily count the number of licenses each year.  If more guns are going into fewer hands, the number of Massachusetts gun licenses would be decreasing.  That growth is a trend, not a fluke.  The number of gun licenses in Massachusetts increased by 66% since 2010. Other states that register gun owners also show strong increases.  In Illinois, the number has increased about 75%, from a little over 1 million in 2010, to 1.8 million in 2015.

 

It is possible, but extremely unlikely that gun ownership increased in restrictive states that license gun owners, but decreased in states with fewer restrictions.

 

Rob- What do our instructors say?  Are you busy?

 

Jenna 5- City of Lowell Massachusetts says you have to submit a written essay before you can buy a gun.  It is surprising that gun ownership has increased as much as it has in Massachusetts since some cities restrict our right to carry.  The police superintendent of Lowell Massachusetts gets to make firearms policy.  He has said you need a training course and to write an essay explaining your prior law enforcement experience or your military training before you can have a carry permit.  The accepted training courses are offered once a year, take five days, and cost over $1,100 dollars.  The city council approved the chief’s recommendations.

 

A local newspaper looked at the fraction of people with carry permits in different Massachusetts cities.  Lowell was in the bottom 20 percent.

 

Gary- Their harassment works.  John Lott said that it is the poor people who most need guns for self-defense.  Poor people are the ones who can least afford to take a week off and pay thousands of dollars to take a course, write a recommendation, pay license fees, and buy an approved gun.  That is why the number of carry permits are down.

 

Rob- This is racist.  In United States anti-discrimination law, the theory of disparate impact holds that practices in employment, housing, or other areas may be considered discriminatory and illegal if they have a disproportionate “adverse impact” on persons in a protected class.  Labor law says the difference is enough evidence and a plaintiff does not have to show intent.  A rich man can ask his lawyer to go to the courthouse and search through past applications to see what reasons the police superintendent has found acceptable and which ones he rejects.  A rich man can pay for private instruction. The poor can’t.  There are particularly severe monetary penalties when a city is shown to discriminate.

 

John- That assumes a judge actually tries the case on evidence.. and the judge doesn’t wave his hand and say this is simply another tax, and taxes are allowed.  There is no proof that any of these restrictions do anything to reduce crime.  Our friend David Jensen is already looking at the case.

 

Jenna- am I understanding that you have to have had LEO or military experience to qualify for a permit

John – Massachusetts has a series of different permits.

Rob- The rules of engagement, the justifiable use of force is different.

John- take us to break

 

BREAK

 

3-  News 2

 

john 6- US Air Force says guns allowed on Base  The air force looked at active shooters who attacked men in uniform.  Then they told their base commanders that they can authorize subordinates to carry guns on base.  There are three existing programs that commanders can use.

 

They are the Unit Marshal Program (UMP), Security Forces Staff Arming (SF) and Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act (LEOSA) programs. Under the Unit Marshall Program, unit commanders can have airman to train under Security Forces personnel and open-carry an M9 pistol at their duty location.

 

Rob- I was struck by what the air force brass didn’t say after I read the reports.  They supported open carry on duty.  They did not recommend concealed carry.  They did not recommend to carry when they are in base housing off duty.  They didn’t support licensed airmen carrying their personal weapon on and off base and to store their weapon on base.  They did not tell base commanders what they should do, only what they could do.  The air force is intensely political.  This looks like a move by the senior Air Force officers to deflect blame if there is an attack on an air force base.

 

John- This is only a political solution.  US soldiers were attacked off base in Germany at the end of the cold-war and probably will be again with the rise of ISIS.  Airmen need to defend themselves all the time and everywhere.  A good commander would care about the safety of his airmen both on and off base.

 

gary 7- Press charges so it will save one life  We’ve reported similar stories.  At the national level, we’ve seen 40 to 50 thousand people rejected for their instant background check.  The anti-rights extremists say those were 40 to 50 thousand criminals who didn’t get a gun.  They never explain why there were only a handful of convictions each year.

 

We see a similar trend in Delaware.  There were almost 12 thousand felony firearms charges filed, but only 36 hundred were ever brought to trial.  This means that violent felons served much less time than they should have.  This puts violent felons back on the street when they should be incarcerated.  We’ve seen many examples of their next victim when the thugs are released after a plea bargain.  One Delaware state senator went on the record and said there is no reason to have more gun laws when prosecutors ignore the many laws we already have.  Delaware State Prosecutor Kathleen Jennings said for every repeat criminal she can provide 50 cases where weapons charges are dropped and defendants are sentenced to longer prison terms.

 

Gary- President Obama said we need more laws to save one life.

Rob- Democrats want it both ways.  They want to be tough on crime without putting anyone in jail.

John –

 

Jenna 8- Some news services miss the real story on guns

Let’s give credit to Bob Owens at Bearing Arms for highlighting this story.  CNS news said that 70 percent of the firearms seized by Mexican authorities between 2009 and 2014 came from the United States. That’s not actually what really happened at all.  In reality only 8 percent of the guns recovered by Mexican law enforcement came from the US.  Mexico has access to the list of firearms made by US factories and sent into US distribution channels.  When the Mexican government asked the ATF to confirm that the firearm was sold through a US gun dealer, the ATF confirmed the sale 70 percent of the time.

 

I wonder who issued a talking point to say that 70 percent of the mexican guns come from the US.


John 9- Bloomberg — for President?  
Finally – we’ve got a article about America’s Nanny: Michael Bloomberg. Apparently, ex-New York mayor Bloomberg, infamous for using city government for his personal crusades against salt, fat, and dangerously sugared, high-capacity Big Gulps, is considering a run for president. He is said to be ready to use One. Billion. Dollars. of his own money in a bid for the presidency. Reportedly, he has instructed aides to prepare plans for his run as an independent.   

We pity those aides having to plan the election of one of America’s most despised men. Not only has he well-earned the disdain of America’s gun owners, he has become the pinched face of New York City progressives and nanny-staters to all of America. In polling, his negatives rank somewhere around the fungus found in public toilets.

That being said, we are completely supportive of Bloomberg’s run for the Presidency. Not only would he be too busy to mess with gun owners, but as the New York Observer calculates, his candidacy would certainly eliminate any chance Hillary or Bernie currently enjoy. Bloomberg’s candacy would certainly split the looney-left, useful idiots now expected to vote for the Democrat offering. The nation would certainly be better for the elimination of those anti-Constitutional and anti-gun pretenders.  

Run – Mikey – Run!!!

 

Rob- Gun Quotes-  Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual. Thomas Jefferson

 

Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back to talk about new gun owners with Tatiana Whitlock..

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4- Interview 1- Tatiana Whitlock

You are the training director at Ann Arbor Arms in Ann Arbor, Michigan.  We have a million new gun owners each month.  What do they need to know.

 

They need to know they are not alone.  Yes, there is a lot to learn.  The great news is that even though you’re new to guns, you can learn from other people’s experience.  

To start at the beginning there are basic, foundational, skills that are critical to being a safe and responsible gun owner. Rather that heading online I strongly suggest investing in a course with a certified and insured instructor at a reputable training establishment.

Many of the big ticket questions that new gun owners have relating to gun safety, handling, how guns and kids can co-exist safely in the home and storage are answered right out of the gate.  At a beginner level the focus is on the logistics of gun ownership and how to safely master key skills to effectively handle and use the firearm. We start at the VERY beginning: how to pick up and handle your gun, how check it’s condition to see if it is loaded, how to load, unload and reload, what to do if your gun malfunctions, and of course the fun part – the fundamentals of sight picture, sight alignment and trigger control to get you on your way to becoming a bullseye shooter!

This is where many new firearms owners start to identify which facet of our world appeals most to them. Are you interested in competition – bullseye? Self defense and concealed carry? These are two basic sides of a coin that can help you map your personal training path.


At an intermediate level we introduce students to broader skill set that gets you moving and is a whole lot of fun! A few of the topics covered involve shooting on the move and how to engage from behind and around cover. Students learn how to shoot with accessories such as handheld or weapons mounted lights in low to no light environments. One handed shooting, back up guns, essential concealed carry skills like drawing and engaging from concealment are just a few of the topics to explore.

 

To generalize what an Advanced program entails the best way to explain it is that the class is NOT about the gun. Classes encompass the HOW and the WHEN and the WHY we use a gun in the worst case scenario. These are thinking classes, decision making classes, they are intended to make good gun handlers and shooters into good problem solvers and ultimately responsibly armed citizens.

 

John –


If you are just starting the journey know there are many facets to the firearms world from shotgun sporting clays to bullseye pistol to close quarters combatives.

The most important thing is to INVEST in YOURSELF and continue to train over time. Keep your skills fresh and maintain your shooting abilities (which DO fade over time).

Do your homework on your instructor of choice. Make certain that they share your personal values and have the credentials and experience to invest your time and resources with.

Bottom line – Learning to shoot is fun!

 

Where do our listeners find out about you?

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http://tatianawhitlock.com/

https://www.facebook.com/tatiana.whitlock/

Training Schedule at Ann Arbor Arms

Kids and Guns Video on Youtube

 

5- Interview 2

Reed Snyder from AR15 Podcast.

Reed Snyder – Skype – areedsnyder – confirmed

 

Reed Snyder is the host of the AR15 Podcast, a former Marine, and a practicing attorney in Texas. Welcome back to the Polite Society Podcast.

 

AR-15s and their components were everywhere at the SHOT Show. Was there anything that caught your attention that was out of the ordinary?

 

How about stuff that has become seen to be ordinary such as rails, magazines, or stocks? Are there changes in these products that have made them stand out?

 

There were some new optics at the SHOT Show including Trijicon’s MRO red dot scope. Did you see this scope? What was your impression of it? What else in the way of optics?

 

Did you see Crimson Trace’s LINQ system which provides a wireless connection between a light/laser and the handgrip? What did you think of it?

Charlie Foxtrot who writes much of our show notes had a question – Any manufacturer suggestions for a .223 Wylde barrel, SS, fluted and 20” for a DMR-ish build?  

 

6- DGUs

 

Gary 1- Old Hunting Rifle Saves Two in a Violent Home Invasion

An old family heirloom made every bit of difference when two men burst into a metro Atlanta man’s home. The man opened his door to a dinner-time knock, and was immediately knocked to the ground and pistol-whipped by one of the intruders. The other intruder viciously went after his mother, pistol-whipping and kicking her in the side.  

The man’s attacker demanded money and dragged him from room to room with a pistol to his head. Dragged into the guest bedroom, he was thrown to the ground and threatened with death. There, things changed; “He put a gun to my head, and I just started fighting back.” In his desperate fight for life, the owner was able to grab his father’s old hunting rifle and start firing. Both criminals were hit, one died on the neighbor’s lawn, the other escaped, but collapsed in a restaurant’s parking lot and later died in the hospital.  

Obviously saddened, shaken and bruised, the victim told the news crews that; “I feel like if I hadn’t had the gun in there, this whole news story would be about me and my mother being dead in this house. I never want to hurt anybody like that, but they put me in this situation, and I only reacted to it.”

Police found badges and zip ties on the bodies and believe they were intended to be used to impersonate police officers. The homeowner will not likely face any charges. However, his mother remains in the hospital after suffering a heart attack after the assault. The attached article contains a link for donations to her medical costs.  

jenna

 

John –

 

Jenna 2- There is armed self-defense even in California-

 

A homeowner in Redondo Beach, California shot and then detained a burglar early Tuesday morning.  The homeowner and a friend were in the house when his smart phone alerted him to an intruder in his detached garage. The security camera showed a man wheeling a motorcycle out of the garage.

 

The homeowner and his friend then confronted Laurencia Gamboa, 33, who dropped the motorcycle, began to flee, then turned around, confronted the residents and that’s when the shooting occurred. Gamboa suffered a gunshot wound to the leg. He was treated at a local hospital and booked on suspicion of burglary and auto theft. Redondo Beach PD Lt. Todd Heywood said It’s unclear whether the homeowner will face any charges at this time..

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http://patch.com/california/manhattanbeach/suspected-burglar-shot-homeowner-redondo-beach

rob-

jenna

 

Rob 2b – There is armed self-defense even in Joisey

The owner of a Newark, New Jersey deli was forced to use deadly force when confronted by an armed robber. Mark Robinson, 46, was killed during his apparent robbery of the small storefront Neighborhood Deli Supermarket. According to prosecutors, Robinson went into the deli, pulled out a gun and pointed it at the owner; who fired his gun in defense of his life. Robinson was pronounced dead at the local hospital. HIs gun was recovered at the scene.

The crime and shooting were recorded by the store’s video surveillance system. No charges have been filed.. even in new jersey.

 

John 3- Hands off my groceries!

18 year old Michael Clark of Mobile, Alabama picked the wrong couple to rob of their money and groceries. His mistake cost him his young life.

Clark had a gun and approached the intended victims while they were taking groceries from their car up to their apartment. Clark showed his gun and demanded they turn over their money.  The intended victim gave Clark his wallet.  He then drew his own weapon and shot Clark.  Clark ran a short distance.  Police found his body in a breezeway between apartments where police recovered the stolen wallet and a weapon.

 

Police are calling the shooting justified.  The victim was in a place where he lawfully had a right to be. He was confronted with a dangerous situation, and he had reason to fear for his own life.  http://www.wtvm.com/story/31005640/man-kills-would-be-robber

 

gary 4- Louisville parking lot-

A woman was sitting in her car in a parking garage in downtown Louisville, Kentucky.  A man approached her, presented a knife and demanded her money.  The woman reached into her purse as if she was going for her wallet.  She pulled her gun instead and shot the man.  The man ran a few blocks and then asked for help.  Bystanders called for EMTs and the woman called for police.  She was unhurt.  The attacker is in the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

 

Rob- This was just after work, not at midnight.  We commented that thieves would try to grab a woman’s purse, so that means a thief could disarm you if you carry off-body.  here is an example where off-body carry in a purse was an advantage.  NRA convention is in Louisville, but not downtown.

 

Gary- Let’s see a show of hands.  How many of you have shot a firearm from inside a vehicle?  It is very very loud.

 

Jenna-

Rob-

Rob-

CF – Shot a SASS yearly match that featured a run down a shipping container, shooting from several windows and doors cut into the steel walls. Even with our puffball Cowboy loads, it was damn loud. When I counted for the shooter, foamies and my shooting muffs barely made it tolerable. Soooooo….. I NEED suppressors for my home defense weapons!

 

Jenna 5- Barbershop

Two masked and armed criminals invaded a Columbia, South Carolina barbershop crowded with customers and children. The thugs demanded money and repeatedly threatened everyone with violent death. Fortunately, two of the victims had CCW permits and were able to draw and shoot at the criminals, hitting one several times.

 

The two suspects ran from the barbershop. One escaped, the other dropped to the street, dying later in the hospital. None of the victims in the business were injured.

Investigators determined that one of the suspect’s weapons was stolen from a South Carolina home back in 2012.


Police do not believe they will charge the two CCW carriers who — wait for it, Shannon! — likely prevented mass-murder.  

 

Rob 6- Two Store Employees Shoot Robber
Two employees at a Deerfield Beach, Florida convenience store suddenly found themselves in a fight for their lives with an armed felon. Raymond Prescott entered the store, pointed a gun at the workers and demanded money. He punctuated his demands with a shot that barely missed Hamam Alfala, 24. The store clerk dove behind the counter and grabbed a gun hidden there. “I take the gun, I shoot then duck … Shoot, shoot,” Alfala said. “I shoot him first. It’s my life.”

 

Another employee picked up another gun from behind the counter and also began firing at the criminal. [We were] firing back and forth, employee Dexter Leon said. “The only thing I thought of was my son. It was scary.”


A least one of the workers connected with their assailant, who was pronounced dead at the scene. Detectives believe the dead criminal was involved in similar crimes in nearby counties. He had a criminal history of drug trafficking and – who would have guessed? – was currently on probation.

 



John 7- Austin TX Clerk Defends Himself – Stops Robbery – Shoots One – Two in Custody

Two criminals bit off more than they could chew at an Austin, Texas food store. One armed man walked into the store, while his partner in crime remained behind the wheel of their get away van.  Photos show the minivan equipped with a pine-scented air freshener and a baby seat.    

 

As the robbery progressed, a David’s Food Store employee drew his own weapon and shot the robber.  The wounded criminal stumbled back into the minivan, and the dynamic duo made good their escape. A short time later, the injured criminal called 911 from the minivan, asking for aid. Police hustled him to a hospital with non-life threatening wounds. Shortly afterward, A K-9 unit found the driver hiding in the neighborhood. The escape minivan was found to have several aftermarket bullet holes; it is not known who installed them. Both criminals will be charged with aggravated robbery.

 

John – I just hope that the “aftermarket bullet holes”

 

Rob- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

We’ll be back with YOUR notes and then we’ll close the show.

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

(John – can we summarize some of the longer emails instead of reading the whole things?)

(Rob.  Yes.  I agree.)

 

Gary-

1- This is more feedback from Thom

 

Update on my Hawaii dilemma- my wife was offered the job but the salary wasn’t near enough to cover the higher cost of living so we declined it.  I’m happy to report we are limiting our search to Florida, Texas, & Arizona where I can remain a free law abiding gun toting American with my gun of choice !  

As a proud member of the NRA and Second Amendment Foundation, I strongly support our second amendment rights and reject efforts to infringe on those rights.  That being said, I find myself wavering on a couple of issues.

“The Gun Show Loophole”. I realize that this is largely a fallacy and over exaggerated by the Left.  Most gun show sellers at the shows I attend are gun dealers and therefore a normal background check is completed.  However I guess at some shows individuals selling as a private party or collector can sell guns without a background check. To that end, if a seller is offering a multitude inventory of guns and does so frequently, I’d support a background check for these sales.  I feel like I’m not toting the party line, but it makes sense.  

snip <<“Internet sales”
Again often exaggerated and over reported, I am aware of some websites/pages on Facebook or Craigslist-type of ads that engage a sale between buyer & seller.  As long as these sales occur within a state, I see that as no different than any other private party sale.   I’m suspicious of the Bloomberg/Obama agenda to require every sale between private parties to go through an FFL.  There would never be a way to regulate these types of sales, even though they are enabled by Internet ads, it’s still a private transaction.>>snipp

 

Your thoughts?  
So I’m happy I get to keep my in my inventory of Glocks, H&K and S&W’s.   

Thom in Indiana

 

Rob- Comment- why does it bother you if there are private party sales?  It doesn’t bother me.  We already know that criminals don’t do background checks, so I don’t understand your concern.

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John 2- This is from Alan

 

Sorry this is a bit long and preachy, but once I get started . . .

 

The Gun Rights movement has a problem. Actually it has two problems. It is likely that anyone reading or hearing this will already agree with me that the 2nd amendment exits to ensure the people have the absolute right to keep and bear arms as a final defense against any government evolving into tyranny. The founding fathers escaped such a tyrannical government through the use of arms and wanted to ensure that future citizens of the United States would always have access to the tools to execute a 2nd American Revolution if, and when that time came.

 

I’m not suggesting that time is now.

 

Snip <<I believe, and I think most right thinking people would agree, we are far from that time. However, individuals in various levels of Federal, State and Local government, and even many private citizens, continue to try to chip away at the absolute right to keep and bear arms. Perhaps some have nefarious dreams of an all powerful government, but I think most anti-gunners simply fear the unknown. >>

 

So, as gun supporters, our first problem is that we are not very good evangelists. We gun people spend a lot of time preaching to the choir, but what is important is for every gun owner who believes in the 2nd amendment to talk to his or her anti-gun friends and introduce them to shooting.

 

Forget about trying to start a conversation about tyranny and the real reason for the 2nd amendment – you can get to that later.

 

One of the fortunate side effects of the 2nd amendment is that personal firearms happen to be the best available tools for self protection.

 

Start conversations with non-gun folks by talking about their absolute right to defend themselves, and the absolute right to have the tools to do that. This is a simpler, more concrete and personal argument. Once you’ve established some basic agreement that we should be allowed to keep and bear arms you can start teaching about the real purpose of the 2nd amendment if you want to.

 

Our second problem is that many, many gun owners DO NOT VOTE. In this upcoming election its winner take all; whichever team wins the top spot takes the whole prize.

 

SNIP For every voter who thoughtfully works through the election ballot, reviewing each candidate individually, there are probably three who simply vote straight party ticket; and if more vote “D” than vote “R”, its game over. So, you have go to vote – in self defense if for no other reason. If you are not registered to vote, get registered. And why don’t you go head now and turn in a Vacation Request to your employer for the 2nd Tuesday in November. Take the whole day off! SNIP

 

No excuses – YOU MUST VOTE.

 

I would love to see every pro-gun radio or television program, every podcast, every blog for the next 10 months start each and every program or post with a demand that all gun owners vote. Simply put, if you don’t vote, we lose.

 

Finally, one last comment: I am not crazy about some of the candidates in the current Republican presidential campaign; nevertheless, I do hereby solemnly pledge to support and vote for whomever eventually becomes the Republican presidential nominee.

 

SNIP In my youth I helped elect Bill Clinton by voting for Ross Perot. It is perhaps unfortunate, but it is a fact that the next president of the United States is going to be a member of one of the two major parties. There is no way for a 3rd party candidate to win – the deck is stacked. SNIP

 

So I solemnly pledge to support the Republican candidate and to work vigorously against any candidate who decides to run a 3rd party campaign. Down that road lies gun confiscation.

 

Alan

A Texas expat in Virginia.

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Jenna 3- This is from Terry

 

Could Joe Biden’s advice, “Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,” have more validity than we have given credit?

SNIP Let’s start with the reckless endangerment myth.  Below is a photo of a group of dove hunters, there are probably hunters surrounding this field all armed with loaded shotguns. But why are none of them hunkered down behind sandbags or wearing body armor for protection. The only protections they have are safety glasses, ball caps and possibly ear plugs and yet they are safe. First they are shooting small pellet bird shot, then there are field safety rules you never fire on a horizontal plane always fire up into the air. So why is it that in the city these same procedures are a hazard to everyone within 20 miles even if they are in the basement of a 2 story home? It is easy to push this line of reasoning over an urban populace that has no experience hunting with a shotgun but why would the hunting community let this go unchallenged in court. SNIP

 

The shouting fit from the tactical experts you would hear is never fire warning shots if you are really in danger. But let’s look at human nature, I can’t quote figures but I think it was Lt. Dave Grossman that researched the low percentage of people in the military and law enforcement that could not shoot another human even with training and a mindset to take a life. Why would we expect an untrained civilian man or woman to overcome this natural instinct? Now I know there is a special class of men who are proven in combat but how many trainers have never fired a shot in anger but speak like they have. What makes them think that firing at a target for a few moments at the range can overcome their constant training to insure that they never point a gun at someone else because they are protecting the lives of others.

Best Regards

Terry

 

Rob

Gary –

Jenna

Rob

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Rob 4- This is from Dave

Dear Paul and crew,

 

Living and working in MN can be a sub-zero experience. I cannot carry at work, so I leave my Glock in a nano-vault in my locked car. When I return home after my shift, my gun frosts up once I bring it inside. I have been carrying for 6 years and have not had a bit of rust or a dud round with my self defense ammo, which I shoot off once a year to keep fresh. (Remington Golden Saber.) Am I pressing my luck exposing my gun and ammunition to these conditions? I hate cleaning guns and do it as little as possible. For giggles, I didn’t clean my gun for an entire summer until the last IDPA match of the 2014 season. Luv my Gen 3 Glock 19.

Thanks for your podcast. It’s my favorite one.

 

Sincerely,

Dave Z.

Minneapolis

 

Rob- it is hard to argue with success.  You can always bag your gun to keep it dry until it warms up.

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John- 5- This is from Peter

Hey guys and gals,

 

Greeting from the middle of nowhere in southern Arizona.  Just listened to the SHOT show recap podcast and I’m glad you had a good time.  Thanks for taking the time to look into some of the suggestions I made (FNS-9c and Ruger LCR in .327 Federal).  I know Paul said that he found the FNS to be a nice shooter, but we didn’t get Susan’s opinion on it.  Also, is she still planning on buying the SR9c? Or did she see anything else that caught her eye?

 

I know Paul has mentioned using his Glock 22 as a trade-in towards whatever new gun Susan finally purchases, but I would advise against that.  Once Susan gets here new pistol, put her G23 in storage, that way if either one of you is forced to defend yourselves, you each have access to another firearm while the other is taken as evidence by the police.

 

Stay safe, and stay dangerous.

Peter

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Gary: Thank you again for all this e-mail.  We received three voice mails and we will include those in next week’s episode.  Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- If you like our DGU stories, I wrote two articles about armed self-defense by civilians.  I wrote about Obama’s lie when he told rape survivor Kimberly Corban that she is safer without a gun.  I also had a guest blog by Cheryl Todd about people who pretend to support the right of self-defense.  All those articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  I checked my statistics and I’ve been getting between 4 and ten thousand page views a week.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John – I want to point out a blog post that I put up on Wednesday. It is about an incredibly biased story on the SHOT Show by reporters from the British newspaper The Guardian. After first muzzling a bunch of people, Rupert Neate thought it would be cool to ask Smith and Wesson on camera if a .22 rimfire AR was like the rifle used to kill 14 people in San Bernardino. He and his videographer  were later escorted off the Sands Expo property by SHOT Show staff for violating the conditions of their admittance. What makes this story more interesting is that the Poynter Institute, a mainstream journalism foundation, severely criticized Neate and the Guardian for their biased editorializing disguised as a factual story.

 

John- That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

John- We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Tatiana Whitlock and Jenna Meek for joining us today.  We have Kimberly Corban scheduled for next week.  Maybe.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Paul, Gary, Rob, Rachel and Susan; until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 363 – SHOT Show Coverage

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John, Paul, Susan and Surprise guests talk SHOT 2016

Interviews:

Aimpoint:

Crossman

Freedom Hunters

Gun Vault

Kel-Tec

Remington

Springfield

Swab-its

Trijicon

Walther

Episode 362 – One of Our Staff Experiences a DGU

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1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment: 

3- Truckers Rant:

4- Interview Segment 1: Julianna Crowder

5- DGU Segment

6- Voicemail Segment: 

7- Email and Show Close:

Bonus: Outtake:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on January 14th, 2016.  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and the latest Rasmussen poll shows less than a third of us trust the government to administer firearms laws fairly.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Julianna Crowder from a girl and a gun shooting league.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we report on the Philadelphia mayor who says the problem is always legal gun owners when the police are shot.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a couple of robbers that picked the wrong liquor store in Chicago .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 362 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- carry every day.  Going to a gun show Saturday.  I need to dry practice.  Shame on me.

 

John – I’m back. I’m sorry I missed last week but it was good that I went to my cousin Billy’s funeral. It was quite a celebration of his life. Everyone had a story to tell about him and mostly it was about fishing. Since it was in Texas, I did see some interesting signs. There was a big red one at  Hobby Airport in Houston that said, “No Unlicensed Firearms Allowed”. Rachel can correct me but I took that to mean licensed carriers could carry in the non-secure areas of the airport.

 

I’m still not packed for the SHOT Show but I have been trying to do some dry fire everyday with my SIRT pistol. I want to be ready for Media Day at the Range.

 

Rachel – been a packed week. Didn’t even make it to the range this afternoon :( hoping to make up for that on Saturday. Teaching an LTC class Monday. Very excited about attending the MAG-40 in May! Now I need to make travel plans…

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Paul/Susan: Almost packed to leave for SHOT Show. If you have something that you want us to check out while we are down there please Email either Paul, Susan, or John and we will do our level best to get it checked out for you. My plans for the week are Monday- media day at the range. Tuesday – Initial look at everything at Shot show. Wednesday and Thursday – Reserved for the listeners. This is the time that I will be using to get the stories and information that you requested. Friday – Wrap up and getting on the road back home.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

Cop Shot In Philly: No Matter What Problem – The Answer is Always Gun-Control

A Philadelphia police officer was ambushed last Thursday night; city official’s reactions were as immediate as they were predictable.

 

Officer Jesse Hartnett was sitting in his police cruiser when a young black man in Arab-style clothing walked at him from across the street.  Screaming Allahu Akbar!, the man fired thirteen rounds from a pistol, the last few from within the cruiser’s window. Hartnett was hit three times in his left arm. Bleeding heavily, he was able to chase after his assassin and wound him in the rear, helping make his arrest a certainty. The tenacious officer was admitted to the hospital in critical but stable condition and may have permanent nerve damage in the arm, but he will survive.

Details started emerging quickly. The failed executioner confessed, saying he acted in the name of Islam. He told detectives “I follow Allah. I pledge my allegiance to the Islamic State, and that’s why I did what I did.” He shot because he believed the police defend laws that are contrary to the Koran. The attacker had several arrests and a prior felony conviction for assault with a firearm, but was paroled immediately after sentencing. He visited the Middle East several times, without appearing on a watch list. The terrorist turned evasive when asked about any others participating in the crime. Lastly, the weapon used was a police sidearm, stolen from another officer back in 2013.  

 

The investigation had barely started when Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney jumped before the news cameras.  With city and police officials staged behind him as props, Kenney stated, “In no way, shape, or form does anyone in this room believe that Islam, or the teaching of Islam, has anything to do with [the shooting of Officer Hartnett]. That claim is absolutely unsupported by what was known then or even now; and it’s likely to be just the opposite. The mayor then further bloviated; “There are too many guns on our streets and I think our national government needs to do something about that.” Even though the gun was actually stolen from the police and used by a terrorist.


It seems like whatever the problem, the answer is always gun control.  

 

comment-Rob- Political correctness got this police officer shot.  The mayor should be ashamed.. and so should the police for putting up with this mayor.

John – I’ve always wondered what happened to Baghdad Bob. Now I know. He changed his name and is now the mayor of philly.

Paul – I want to commend the officer. 3 in the arm (that we know of) and he continues to fight, and win

Audacious Executive Actions Promised By White House

Despite last week’s apparently largely ineffective slate of anti-gun actions, White House chief of staff Denis McDonough said Obama will roll out a bold set of executive actions during his final year in office. “We’ll do audacious executive actions throughout the course of the rest of the year, I am confident of that.” McDonough did not say what issues the president will attempt to end-run around Congress.

Obama is known to be focusing on immigration, judicial reform, Guantanamo, and his favorite whipping boy: guns. Obama recently told his staff he’s going to demand that everything they do in 2016 be “infused with the sense of possibility that has both undergirded this administration, but also this country,” the chief of staff said. The president also said, “I am going to be asking myself, ’why not?’ ”


Why not, indeed. We would like to remind the president of a little thing called the Constitution. We will certainly not forget.  

 

comment Rob- Obama found out that Senator McConnell and congressman Ryan will surrender faster than the french.
. John – Actually two things I like – no CLEO checkoff for NFA items and a dedication to customer service at the FBI with 24/7 NICS checks.

Rachel-oaths of office and a piece of paper called the constitution don’t have to matter to the President if they don’t matter to the people

Paul – He may not have to worry about Congress, but he better be afraid of Alan Gottlieb

A Show-Me Overturn of a Anti-Gun Veto
One of Missouri’s least distinguished governors had his veto of the pro-rights bill SB.656 overturned by the state legislature. Governor Jay Nixon’s veto was reversed in a special legislative session by a largely party-line vote. The new law prevents local municipalities from passing laws banning open carry, lowers the permit to carry age from 21 to 19, and allows specially trained school employees to carry guns while on the job.  

 

Nixon is known for his progressive and anti-gun biases. The governor swept into power on Obama’s 2008 coattails, and will thankfully be leaving along with the president. In the meantime, it’s good to see the legislature standing up to this lamist of ducks.

 

Favorite Guns of the Chicago Criminal

Police in the gun-free paradise of Chicago somehow seized the largest number of firearms used in crimes. In an article, they categorized the -whoa-  6000 guns taken from criminals in 2014.  

Turns out that Chicago criminals are often caught with quality, full sized pistols instead of the Saturday Night Specials implied by the media. Apparently, criminals prefer larger, more powerful, and more reliable handguns over smaller, cheaper, and more easily concealed ones. Not really surprising, as the underworld typically gets their guns by stealing them, and homeowners prefer the larger weapons. We will note that the guns are not gotten from Indiana gun-shows as our feckless president stated.

The study also examined the ammunition found with the pistols. Often the guns have mixed types of ammunition, and the magazines are rarely fully loaded. The study also found the criminals are increasingly disguising their guns to appear as toys. Using paint, orange muzzle tips and even hiding guns within Nerf or Super-Soakers to cause police to hesitate – perhaps at the cost of their lives. So much for the progressive thrust to make toy guns appear nonthreatening. We’ll also note that the hated evil black rifles appeared nowhere in this study.   

Know your adversaries. Be dangerous.

 

John – I looked at the infographic that accompanied the story. It was interesting. Colt .38 revolvers were up there in number. Since they have not been on the market since the late 90s, this indicates to me that they were stolen from homes.

Paul – Criminals steal their guns, so I am not REALLY surprised about this it oste 0 to steal a gun and money for a cheap gun

 

Latest Gun Poll

A January 13th poll by Rasmussen Reports found that less than one third of Americans trust the Federal government on guns. Only 28 percent of Americans “trust the government when it comes to administering” gun laws “fairly.” On the other hand, 59% of the American people do not trust the government. Rasmussen also found that “just one-in-three Americans (32%)…think stricter gun control laws will decrease violent crime.” And 15 percent of Americans believe more gun laws will actually “increase violent crime.” In a poll days earlier voters told Rasmussen they opposed President Obama’s use of executive actions to secure gun control.  In that same poll, 59 percent of likely U.S. voters said “the additional oversight” resulting from the new controls “will not reduce the number of shootings.”

Hmmm…. two out of three don’t trust the Federal government. Just what the heck are the one out of three’s thinking?  

 

Rachel-who says they ARE thinking???

 

3-  News 2

Reserved For a Trucker’s Rant.

 

(This outta be good.  😉  )

 

We normally have 2 news segments, however early this week I felt a rant brewing and as such asked Charlie Foxtrot and Rob to leave me a segment open so I could let loose a little bit. Since then 2 additional things have come up and so I am going to make the rant a little more brief than I intended initially but I still want to discuss a few points.

 

I listen to other podcasts just like you do. I have to admit that I don’t listen to pro gun podcasts nearly as much as I used to because I found myself emulating other podcasters and radio hosts. I want to be ME, not Tom Gresham, Bob Mayne, Chaz Murray, or Bryan Bolivar. (I REALLY don’t want to be Bolivar!) I do still listen to their shows from time to time, but I do try to limit it so that you get me, not an imitation of someone else.

 

Having said that I was listening to some of Bob Mayne’s recent Handgun world episodes and he started discussing gun free zones. I myself wanted to chime in and so I am taking to my own airwaves to do so.

 

I break “Gun Free Zones” down into 3 categories, private residences, public businesses, and government offices/property. Let me diverge for just a second here. We all know that there is no such thing as a “Gun Free Zone” All the person placing the restriction can hope to do is to create a free fire zone for criminals. Let’s face it, bad guys are actually hoping to find these places because they know that  they have very little chance of finding active resistance there.

 

So, let’s start off with private residences. I believe as I am sure that most of you do that the person who resides in a home has the rights to set whatever rules they wish for that home. If you want to make a rule that I cannot come in your house with my gun on, you have every right to do that. If you want to make a rule that I cannot come in your house with my pants on you can do that as well. (I would refuse to come in your house in either case, for my safety in the case of not carrying a gun, and for your mental health and total lack of eye bleach in the case of me coming in without pants.)

 

I want to make this plain that I would NEVER go against someone’s wishes and carry into their home when I know that they don’t allow it. I would simply decline to enter the house. My mother-in-law while not anti-gun has made it plain that guns frighten her. I have talked about it with her and when I go to her house I carry concealed and keep my mouth shut about guns.  Mother in law is happy because out of sight out of mind and I am happy as I am able to continue to provide my own security with the best tools available to me. Had she requested that I not carry at all in her house I would have complied and would never have entered her house again, instead inviting them to our house or like we have done on several occasions, meeting them in a restaurant or other location.

 

Next we have a larger issue, public businesses, I am sure that I am going to surprise several listeners in that I believe that a business owner has the same right. That person owns the business and has the rights to set whatever rules they wish. The beauty here is competition. I as well have the right to patronize their competitors. Problem solved, they get to have an easy target for criminals and I get to reward those businesses that respect my right to protect myself.  I want to expand this a little bit and go a little sideways here.

 

I believe that the owner of a business has the absolute right to set ALL rules of their business. The public ultimately will decide through voting with their dollars whether that businesses rules are tolerable. If a pizza parlor wants to ban guns, that is their right, if they want to ban people because they are wearing corduroy pants that is their right. I honestly believe if a modern business person decided to refuse to serve someone because of the color of their skin that that is their right as well.

 

Now hear me out on this. If a modern business refused to serve anyone based on skin color, the public in general would run away so fast that the owner would be in bankruptcy court so fast that there would be skid marks from the shoe leather going up the courthouse steps.

 

That is where we need to get with our second amendment rights. Many of our listeners were alive and I am sure some remember when there were whites only lunch counters in the south. Yes, it initially took a law to change that, but it is my belief that it would have happened anyway. Any intelligent person by the time they are an adult knows that people are people no matter what the color of skin is or the religion they practice or where they were born. There are good and bad in all forms of society. Discrimination is stupid, including discriminating against someone because they want to protect themselves.

 

The sticky part is when the business is a legal monopoly, such as the electric company, the natural gas company, cable company, things like that. I am lucky in that None of the utilities that we do business with are posted no guns, but assuming that they were I would have to think long and hard as to whether I would violate their policy. After all I have been at the electric companies office once, when we were getting service hooked up, and have actually never been to the gas companies office.   

 

Finally we get to Government lands and offices. Here we generally do not have a competitor to go to, and I honestly do not believe except for a few limited instances that they truly have the right to disarm you. I know that you are wondering what I consider a legitimate gun free zone, and that simply is this. Any place where the government supplies the armed security and every person is thoroughly searched as they enter.

 

Now, realistically this is not usually the case. The only place where I KNOW it is the case is in the jail and prison system in Sioux Falls. Neither place is a place that I am really wishing to go any time soon. Even the County and Federal courthouses here in Sioux Falls do not force ALL people to be searched and go through a metal detector. Both Judges and Attorneys can waltz right past through a special door. I don’t know about you, but I don’t believe that these people are immune from slipping a gear.

 

Now I cannot say on air that I have or that I would break any laws, and I cannot recommend that you do either. What I can say is this. When it comes to free fire criminal zones, you must balance what the risks are vs what the possible benefits are. Sometimes going into a GFZ is not optional. there are occasionally times that we MUST go in. At these times it is CRITICAL that we keep our situational awareness jacked up just a bit higher. Please no matter where you are and whether you are armed or not keep in mind where the exits are, look for cover and concealment, and look for any possible “weapons of opportunity”

 

Susan’s DGU

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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4- Interview  

 

5- Interview 2  Julianna Crowder

Hi, Julianna.  we have a huge number of new female gun owners each month.  You’ve shown that a social network of female shooters is a great way for new shooters to learn and for long time gun owners to stay active.

 

Tell us about a girl and a gun women’s shooting league.

What prompted you to start it?

What was your vision?

What is it today?

 

started in TX

years old

members

chapters near you

 

What can a woman expect if she shows up to a chapter’s event?

(Who is it for? What kind of person should come?)

 

Upcoming events (conference – about it, how to attend)

 

What is your insight on outreach to women who are just curious?

 

There are about 300 thousand new female shooters each month.  What is limiting the growth of a girl and a gun shooting league?

How can people help you grow?

 

6- DGUs

 

1 Cops: Liquor store clerk fatally shoots 2 would-be robbers, 15 and 17

Two would-be robbers were shot to death at a liquor store in the Gresham neighborhood of Chicago Saturday night. Two men walked into the store, and one of them hopped over the counter. That robber hit the clerk standing behind the counter, while the other robber remained in front of the counter. A relative of the store owner heard a commotion from upstairs and saw the robbery suspects when he looked down from a stairwell. The armed relative pulled his gun and shot the two thieves, killing them both.  At least one of them was armed with a gun.

 

Comment – Gary – Interestingly enough this was a posted gun free zone, but authorized employees can still carry.

 

Rob- another mass murder that never happened.

 

2 A Gun in the Hand Beats Two Thugs in the Door

A Memphis woman had the foresight to grab a gun when there was a 6 PM knock on her door. That foresight may have saved her life when two thugs pushed open the door and put a gun to her neck. The woman fired her handgun, hitting 22-year-old Nico Carlisle several times. He was found by police, lying dead by the front door.  His confederate escaped and has not been identified. .

The homeowner has not been charged. And probably will not be, as a neighbor confirmed her version of the shooting.  

We congratulate the woman on her armed foresight. However, we urge all of our listeners to never open a door to someone you do not know or does not have a reason to be at the house. A sturdy, locked door is always the prefered defense.    

 

3 Cheesehead Returns Home to Find Burglar

A Minnesota man returned home and found a man with a knife in his living room.  In self defense, the licensed CCW carrier drew his weapon and the burglar dropped his. The homeowner called 911 while allowing the thief to leave. Police caught Shane Fellers, 37, getting into a car driven by a female accomplice. Fellers has been charged with first-degree burglary of an occupied dwelling and burglary with a dangerous weapon, as well as a misdemeanor charge for providing a false name to a police officer. He is held on $70,000 unconditional bail.

This is a textbook case of self defense with a firearm. The homeowner had his CCW on him, no shots were fired when the criminal immediately dropped his weapon. The criminal was allowed to leave and the police did their job and made the arrest.  Congratulations to all!

 

Rob- Adrenal dump.
4 Don’t Mess With Texas
You don’t mess with a Texas Belle, as a Dripping Springs intruder found out.

A mother alone with her three children spotted an intruder in her yard by the glow of his cigarette and his truck’s dome light. She called 911, but the cops were a long way from her remote country home. And the thug wasn’t waiting.  25-year-old Randall Dorsett tried the front door, then forced his way into the garage and broke into the kitchen. “I kept telling him to get out of my house and that I have a gun.” the mother said. “He was not going to get past me to get to my children.”

 

Dorsett gave her ample reason to fear for the safety of her family and herself. Despite her repeated warnings, Dorsett would not leave. However, he could not ignore the .44 caliber hole in his belly. (ouch) Police finally arrived and took Dorsett to the local hospital, where he expected to recover. The gunshot was described as a “through and through” wound, causing no major injury to the undeservedly lucky home-invader. When he’s released, Dorsett will be arrested for burglary of a habitation. The mom demanding — no, accomplishing — action said, “I’m convinced I did the right thing. He made the choice to come into my house.” We heartily agree.  


So, Rachel, what’s your go-to caliber? A .44 Magnum, or something a bit more Texas sized?  

 

Rob-If this was not a critical wound then I’m thinking she used solid bullets rather than hollow points.  Oh, and another mass murder was prevented by a gun owner.  

Need good quality, modern self-defense loads in ALL of your duty guns.  

 

CF – The garage door into the kitchen is often the home’s weak point. Have a stout door and jamb with strong locks, especially a long-throw deadbolt. We’ll soon be putting a peep-hole into our kitchen door. We already can turn on the garage lights from within the house.

 

5- wrong number at Chicago mobile phone store

Two men entered a mobile phone store in Chicago.  They shopped for phones for a few minutes and then pulled out guns and started robbing the place.

 

One employee pulled out his handgun and shot the two robbers.  He hit one robber in the groin and the arm, and the other in the abdomen and the arm.  The thieves were able to run from the store with another store employee following them outside while talking to the police and giving a description.  The thieves drove to a nearby hospital where police took them into custody.

 

The store manager said .”I think concealed carry is a great opportunity for managers, workers and employees to protect themselves.  Our employee did a great job to protect himself and the other employee.”   A regional manager for T-Mobile, said the company allows employees with concealed carry licenses to have weapons at work.

 

Local businessmen said the cell phone store had been robbed several times in the last month.

 

Rob-  Good for Chicago shop owners.  Gary, your turn.

Gary- Hey Shannon they stopped another mass murder.

 

John – I don’t have T-Mobile but would consider them in the future.

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Voice mail

 

VM#1

Rob- You found out which merchants are on your side.  How does that reduce freedom?

VM#2

Paul – House of Cards is an AWESOME show!

Rob- we will see all kinds of crazy lawsuits

John  Hillary is attacking the PLCAA to get an edge up on Bernie Sanders

 

Paul

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Listening to your podcast I thought I would drop you a line. I am the new owner of a Springfield XDS 4.0 9mm. President Obama’s recent assault on the 2nd amendment, San Bernardino and recent break-ins in my neighborhood have motivated me to become a gun owner. Never thought I would own a gun but here I am. Looking forward to training, learning more and becoming a responsible gun owner.

Love your podcast.

Michael
Orlando Florida

 

Rob- welcome to our world.  Stay dangerous and keep learning.

John – Fantastic!

Paul – Massad Ayoob is just north of you

Rachel-congratulations!

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Hello guys and gals,

I wanted to take the time to write to you about carrying in the workplace. First off, please omit my name or change it to something else and  omit the company name if this is used on air for obvious reasons.

I have been shooting and carrying concealed since I was 21 here in Pennsylvania (I am 49 now). In the 90’s a was an elected Constable in Pennsylvania (Other areas of the country this position is called Marshall) and had to leave that line of work due to a medical issue ..

Most if not all of my employers past and present have had a strict “No weapons on site” policy. The punishment is termination of employment. Mind you, my current facility has no guard, armed or unarmed, and a simple swipe card allows access to the entire building. People also have the habit of following someone in the door on their coattails and not using one’s own access card, and the occasional person who forgets their card and asks to be let in by a fellow employee. No one seems to mind helping their friends out, but this is dangerous.

We recently out of the blue had an employee that was fired and led out of the building by management. No one knew why, Jim seemed like such a nice guy, maybe a little quiet. We came to find out that Jim was a convicted felon and had worked for the company for over 4 years before someone recognized him from a prior job, and knew of his record and reported him to the corporate office.

Several things to learn here.

1)      You never know who you’re working with and what they’re capable of. One must stay vigilant. People get the tendency to feel like their place or work is like their home and safe. It is not, unless you work with family or in a close knit group. I am quite sure those in attendance at the holiday party in San Bernardo thought they were in a safe environment at work as well.

2)     Anyone can access the building in my case, security is none existent  and I suspect that many other places of employment are the same. This is why I carry my VP9 at work despite the policy. The worst thing I’ll get is fired. My life is more important than their made up policy. I carry appendix so this works to help as most people don’t stare are other men’s crotches..

3)       Even at a company as large as mine, don’t count on them to screen their employees. My company supposedly puts all employees through a :”strict screening process”. Obviously not.

In addition, I want to express my personal policy while at work. I do not discuss firearms in any way at work. I don’t brag when I buy another AR, I don’t discuss carry loads with my friends, I don’t discuss gun control and my views on it. Being a union shop, the building is full of union left leaning employees, and the last thing I want is for any of them to have any thought that I may be carrying a firearm. I do all that out of work, on my time with my close friends.

 

Keep up the good work. Feel free to edit or alter my post in any way needed.

 

PS here is the link to this guys original crime. Unbelievable..

 

http://old.post-gazette.com/localnews/20031022bushthreat1022p4.asp

 

Name withheld at the listener’s request

Paul – I really like that VP9

John – I think staying the “Gray Man” is smart.

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Hello, there is a new Canadian firearms group the ‘Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights’.  https://firearmrights.ca/en/ if you could add it to your show that would be amazing.

 

Love the show, Keep up the great work.

 

Thanks,

Ryan

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Paul and Crew,

 

Thanks for reading my email. I think it was Jon that asked if I offered you free ammo.  Yes, if any of you come through Columbus, I will gladly pick up the range time and the provide the ammo. It’s the least I can do. I’ll even do some special hand loads if you have requests.

David

Columbus Ohio

 

Rachel

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Hello Susan,

 

I really enjoy listening to the Polite Society podcast.  You have a very sweet voice and sound very professional.  However, I have a hard time setting my volume to hear you well and not be blasted out by the others voices when they speak.  Is it possible for you to increase your mic?  You play a very important part in the show and its critical for listeners to hear what you have to say.

 

Thank you for what you bring to the podcast.  You all make a great team.

 

Thank you,

Bud

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- My latest article is about Obama’s recent gun grab.  It started with veterans who had help paying their bills.  It spread to social security recipients being disarmed.  My latest article is called “we are all veterans now”.  It is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

President Obama left an empty chair for victims of “gun violence” at the State of the Union speech. This prompted me to write a post entitled The Empty Chair Makes an Empty Gesture with the Empty Chair. This is a play on what Clint Eastwood called Obama. The number of deaths attributed to “gun violence” by the anti-gunners is 30,000 or 88 per day. I broke that number down and really looked at it. I don’t consider suicide to be gun violence any more than I consider suicide by poison to be poison violence. The real number is 31 people murdered. What is most interesting is that majority of murder victims are minorities. Blacks and Hispanics make up almost 75% of all murder victims and 70-75% of these victims are between 15 and 34. I think this strongly suggests drug and gang related violence is the key – not guns.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Rob-  I appreciate that you look behind the headlines.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Julianna Crowder for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 361 – Obama Issues Executive Orders

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/361.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment: 

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- News Segment 3

5- Interview Segment: Guest Gary Slider of www.handgunlaw.us 

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

And the RARE show outtake!

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday January 7th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk with Gary Slider of Handgunlaw.us

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have in depth coverage of Obama’s executive orders

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a 65 year old woman stops a bad guy with a gun… so climb aboard!

Rachel: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  episode 361 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- carrying every day.  Doing some physical therapy for my left shoulder.  Wrote to my local politicians about constitutional carry.

Rachel – glad the range dried up enough to shoot today! AR, prone and seated, EOTech, 200 yards. A 25-yard zero put me 2.5-3 MOA high. Made ~9” groups, holding low so as to hit center.

 

why not a 200 yard zero?

 

  • Gunpowder and Brew, Genuine Joe Coffee (in Austin), 7:30pm, Thursday Jan. 21. Topic: Texas carry/use of force law – including open carry & other changes

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

http://www.firearmsafetyinstitute.com/

 

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

2- News 1

 

Analysis of Obama’s Executive Orders

As his administration stumbles into its last year, Obama faces a faltering economy and failing domestic policy.  Obama chose to focus on his despised bitter-clingers, the nation’s law-abiding gun owners.

 

In Tuesday’s address to the nation, President Obama spent 33 minutes deriding gun owners and mentioned himself 76 times. Obama proposed a series of anti-gun actions his bureaucracy could take on its own.  This divisive president once again tried to demonize the gun-lobby, the NRA and the millions of law-abiding gun owners.

 

The White House provided a fact sheet of Obama’s executive actions.  Using that press release along with the transcript of Obama’s address, we’ve analyzed Obama’s Executive Actions. It should be noted that we are working with Obama’s carefully parsed words. It is a virtual certainty that the administration will twist the words to suit their own ends, and we ask you to listen with that in mind. All of us will have to keep an eye on these initiatives and push back strongly where our Rights are threatened.

 

 

  1.    Tighten Background Checks

 

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is making clear that it doesn’t matter where you conduct your business—from a store, at gun shows, or over the Internet: If you’re in the business of selling firearms, you must get a license and conduct background checks.

 

If you are in the business of selling guns then every sale goes through the FBI NICS background check. Period. End of story. This does not change when in a gun show or a sale at a kitchen table.  There is no gun show loophole.

 

The threat in this executive action could come by a change of the definition.  Would the Obama branch prosecute someone supplementing his income with a few well considered purchases and sales, a hobbyist buying new guns and selling the old ones, a gun owner liquidating part of his collection to pay the mortgage, or a widow selling her late husband’s extensive collection?  All of them could find themselves running afoul of this new interpretation of  a gun dealer.  More to the point, these restrictions will not stop the creep selling guns out of the trunk of his car.

 

  1.    Restrict Trusts and Corporations in the Authorization of Class III purchases.

 

ATF is finalizing a rule to require background checks for people trying to buy some of the most dangerous weapons and other items through a trust, corporation, or other legal entity.

 

In an unproven allegation, Obama stated that violent criminals are trying to buy some of the most dangerous firearms by hiding behind trusts and corporations. There is no evidence that thugs spend tens of thousand of dollars buying rare automatic weapons.  Obama simply pandered to the uninformed.

 

  1.    Obtain Complete Criminal History From the States

 

Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch has sent a letter to States highlighting the importance of receiving complete criminal history.

 

If this was an issue, why has it not been addressed in the past seven years?

 

  1.    Make the Background Check System More Efficient

 

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is overhauling the background check system to make it more effective and efficient. The envisioned improvements include processing background checks 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and improving notification of local authorities when certain prohibited persons unlawfully attempt to buy a gun. The FBI will hire more than 230 additional examiners and other staff to help process these background checks.

 

In our experience, almost every one of the electronic background checks is completed in less than 30 seconds.  The system already runs 24 hours a day, including government holidays.

 

This proposal could make it easier on the smaller FFLs who use the telephone call-in method of FBI verification. Especially since the Top Gun Salesman of All Time keeps driving the public to buy more and more guns.  Unfortunately, those additional examiners could also be used to harass legitimate firearms dealers.

 

           Congratulations on the increased notifications to local authorities when there is an unlawful attempt to buy a gun. But, why wasn’t this being aggressively pursued already?

 

comment- Rob- My local gun dealers find that each ATF agent makes up their own rules.

comment- Gary – Rob, how often does your dealer hand out guns that go over the three days without a response?

 

  1.    Focus on Smart and Effective Enforcement of Gun Laws

 

The Attorney General convened a call with U.S. Attorneys around the country to direct federal prosecutors to continue to focus on smart and effective enforcement of our gun laws.

 

We will soon witness the awesome power of a government meeting.  Or not.  Under Obama, gun prosecutions have fallen dramatically. So much for smart enforcement.  

 

comment- Rob- We’ve commented before that thugs “borrow” their guns from other gang members, from family, and from welfare girlfriends.  The justice department treated them as unreliable witnesses and did not prosecute them.

 

  1.    200 More ATF Agents and Investigators

 

The President’s FY2017 budget will include funding for 200 new ATF agents and investigators to help enforce our gun laws.

 

That’s roughly $70 million per year for new agents. In a year that includes only the last 4 months of the Obama’s administration. We’re going to bet that the House immediately round-files Obama’s suggestion during the budgeting process.

 

  1.    Already Established Internet Investigation Center (IIC) and National Integrated Ballistic Integrated Information Network (NIBIIN)

 

ATF has established an Internet Investigation Center (IIC) to track illegal online firearms trafficking and is dedicating $4 million and additional personnel to enhance the National Integrated Ballistics Information Network (NIBIIN).

 

  1.    Guns Lost and Stolen From FFLs

 

ATF is finalizing a rule to ensure that dealers who ship firearms notify law enforcement if their guns are lost or stolen.

 

The requirement to report firearms lost or stolen in transit has been an ATF rule for decades. This order will probably create an immediate notification requirement as well as demanding more frequent audits of the FFL’s inventories.

 

  1.    Renew Domestic Violence Outreach Efforts

 

The Attorney General issued a memo encouraging every U.S. Attorney’s Office to renew domestic violence outreach efforts.

 

No real way to tell what this means. However, Federal and State governments have been increasing focusing on pre-crime gun rights restrictions. As in trend-setting California, the Feds would like to eliminate gun rights from someone who could possibly be considered a threat.

 

Rachel

Paul

Rob

 

  1.  Increase Access to Mental Health Care

 

The Administration is proposing a new $500 million investment to increase access to mental health care.

 

This increase is certainly needed and welcome. However, a half a billion won’t make a dent in the mental health needs of Obama, his administration, and the Federal bureaucracy.  All snark aside, using mental health concerns, which may be unrelated to violence, biased, overblown or just temporary, to permanently eliminate 2nd Amendment rights is an escalating threat.

 

  1. Social Security Issues Eliminating Firearm Rights

 

The Social Security Administration has indicated that it will begin the rulemaking process to include information in the background check system about beneficiaries who are prohibited from possessing a firearm for mental health reasons.

 

This order would allow the Social Security Administration to eliminate firearm rights based on an arbitrary definition of incompetence.  Many of our nation’s elderly would be stripped of their firearms just when they are at their most vulnerable.

 

Obama’s Social Security Administration has already tried this dodge. Public and political outrage forced them to quickly withdraw the proposed rule. This rule should certainly be withdrawn again.  The similar Veteran Administration regulation should also be eliminated. The bureaucratic, unchallengeable, adjudicated elimination of rights should not be allowed to stand.

Paul

Rachel

 

  1. Doctors To Report Mental Health Issues to the FBI

 

The Department of Health and Human Services is finalizing a rule to remove unnecessary legal barriers preventing States from reporting relevant information about people prohibited from possessing a gun for specific mental health reasons.

 

This is perhaps the most chilling of all of Obama’s proposals: Doctors would be required to report their suspicions of mental health issues to the FBI. Their patient would then lose his or her 2nd Amendment Rights – forever. With little or no ability to appeal or the right to due process.

The executive order has a host of legal, ethical and professional problems. It intrudes into the formally protected Doctor–Patient relationship and confidentially. MDs without specialized psychiatric training would be forced to make a snap mental health judgements. As doctors under Obamacare are now de-facto employees of the government, they could be coerced to report on the slightest of suspicions, or even be given mental health notification quotas to meet.  As the doctor’s license, practice, insurance and career could be put in jeopardy if a patient is not reported as mentally ill, they will be incentivized to over-report. Worst of all, because of Big Brother’s presence in the treatment rooms and the risk of draconian gun seizures, many people will hesitate to get the medical and mental health treatment they need.          

GARY –  

 

  1.  Conduct or Sponsor Research into Gun Safety Technology

 

The President has directed the Departments of Defense, Justice, and Homeland Security to conduct or sponsor research into gun safety technology.

 

       The Progressive fantasy of smart-gun technology once again rears its ugly head. Obama even compared this fanciful technology to the fingerprint readers on smart phones.  Considering that phones are treated a lot more gently than guns – and the phone’s fingerprint readers don’t work all that well – that is a very poor comparison.

 

And given that the government will likely require a disabling backdoor to be installed in the software, this is an extremely blatant assault on the 2nd Amendment. This proposal could only come from someone used to being protected by guards with hair triggers.   

 

Rob- Let’s put a fingerprint reader on the President’s cigarette case and let him beta test it for us.

 

  1. Regular reviews of Smart Gun technology

 

The President has also directed the departments to review the availability of smart gun technology on a regular basis, and to explore potential ways to further its use and development to more broadly improve gun safety.

 

In his address, Obama also called for tracking devices to be placed in guns.  Hundreds of people, including two American law-enforcement agents, could be alive if those devices only been added to the guns Obama and Eric Holder sold to the Mexican drug cartels. Giving the government the ability to determine where the guns are – well, that couldn’t possibly go wrong… right?

 

         Obama also called for child resistant triggers. This laughable goal is one more indication of just how far the man’s thinking differs from average Americans and the Founding Fathers. He certainly would not want child resistant triggers on the guns that protect him.

 

  1. Congress Called to Support the President’s Demands

 

Congress should support the President’s request for resources for 200 new ATF agents and investigators to help enforce our gun laws, as well as a new $500 million investment to address mental health issues.

 

Hopefully, the Congress will be in no mood to support these dangerous fantasies.

 

  1. Urge manufacturers, retailers, and other private-sector leaders to explore what more they can do.

 

Because we all must do our part to keep our communities safe, the Administration is also calling on States and local governments to do all they can to keep guns out of the wrong hands and reduce gun violence. It is also calling on private-sector leaders to follow the lead of other businesses that have taken voluntary steps to make it harder for dangerous individuals to get their hands on a gun. In the coming weeks, the Administration will engage with manufacturers, retailers, and other private-sector leaders to explore what more they can do.

 

This last pronouncement is a reminder of the power of the government; the iron fist in the velvet glove. The Obama administration has been very active in using the coercive power of government to affect their goals. Actions like Operation Choke Point have hampered lawful activities that the administration found objectionable. This type of extra-legal coercion should be called out and resisted.

 

Break

Why did he say it?

President Obama’s policies have already increased crime across the United States.  These executive orders won’t change how criminals get guns.  Reducing violence was NOT the purpose of his public speech and his executive orders.

 

President Obama’s new gun restrictions would not have stopped any of the dozen recent mass murderers.  That is true even if President Obama’s orders are perfectly implemented and perfectly executed. Reducing domestic terrorism was NOT the purpose of these new executive orders.

 

We don’t have a gun problem in America.  Violence is the symptom, not the cause of our ills.  We  have a Democrat problem, not a gun law problem.  Our large failing Democrat controlled cities have crushed jobs, fueled addiction, broken families and encouraged drug gangs.  You can’t solve those problems with gun control.  

 

The public has changed their attitude towards politicians.  We don’t believe the president any longer.  Even the Associate Press pointed out that Obama’s executive orders would not have stopped the terrorism we’ve seen here in the US.  Gun control advocates have a real problem once they’ve lost the Associated Press.  The Minnesota Star Tribune said the same thing.  President Obama had other purposes in mind.

 

If the president’s orders would not stop crime or terrorism, why did Obama blame guns and gun owners?  The reason is political.  Democrat politicians can count.  They take polls and count potential voters.  This week’s NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found 73 percent of likely voters want the next president to take a different approach from President Obama’s.

 

Democrat politicians also count political donations.  Democrats needed to do something to increase their voter appeal given Obama’s consistent domestic policy and foreign policy failures.  The political play to gun control was focus group tested and tailored to appeal to a particular voting block.  Young single urban women are the largest segment who supports Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton.  Democrats need that demographic to go to the polls in record number.  They need young women to vote for Clinton, and carry other Democrats on her coat tails.

 

The other reason Obama pushed gun control is money.  The reason is campaign contributions in particular.  Democrats supported ineffective anti-gun bills because billionaires promised to bankroll disarmament Democrats.  Follow the money.

 

Comment- how do the democrats appeal to young women if they have Bill Clinton in the spotlight?

Rachel- I apologize for the irrational actions of my demographic.

 

What was the reaction to the president’s executive orders?

 

Clever pundits pointed out that the federal government broke their own gun laws by sending guns to mexican drug lords.

 

The reaction divided along party lines.  The Oakland California city council proposed more firearms restrictions on civilians.  They proposed magazine capacity restrictions and stricter storage requirements.  We’ve reported on those proposals before and how they are ineffective in reducing crime or reducing the vanishingly small number of firearms accidents.  Again, the purpose is political.

 

The Governor of Idaho signed emergency legislation nullifying federal firearms restrictions by prohibiting state enforcement of any future federal act relating to personal firearms, a firearm accessories or ammunition.  A similar bill was proposed in Arizona last week.  Alaska and Kansas already passed similar laws.  State legislators proposed constitutional carry in Louisiana, Virginia and Idaho.  An Oklahoma legislator proposed the Piers Morgan act to allow open carry without a license.

 

The NRA reported that over 7 million convicted felons are NOT reported to the FBI background check system.  Most mental health patients are not reported to the FBI.  Last year, 80 thousand individuals were denied firearms purchases due to prior convictions.  Yet, only 44 individuals were prosecuted last year.

 

Comment-Paul – you said 44 people, not 44 thousand?

 

That is right.  44 people out of 80 thousand were prosecuted for seeking to buy guns as prohibited persons.  That is less than one sixteenth of one percent.  That is a broken system of federal law enforcement.

 

Comment- Obama’s speech was written for the media and the low information voter who had never bought a gun.  If you’d ever gone through the purchase process then you know the speech was full of lies.

Paul – Obama tweet

 

-Candidate Hillary Clinton said she applauded the President’s new push, but warned any executive action was likely to fall short of the comprehensive reforms favored by most Democrat donors.  Quote “We’ve got to act, but I don’t think (what the President did is) enough and I think we’re going to have to keep pushing forward on the political front and I intend to do that, to take on the gun lobby and to work with responsible gun owners.”  Close quote.

 

Gary –

Rob- His comments remind me of a soap opera speech.

Paul – tears

-Congressional committees said they would not fund Department of Justice activities that violated the second amendment rights of US citizens.  That certainly sounds good.  The letter from congress lacks credibility after the House and Senate just funded every piece of pork that Congressman Ryan and Senator McConnell could dream up.

 

Obama’s Anti-Gun Push Causes Gunmaker’s Stocks to — Shoot Up!

The Stock Market has reacted to Obama’s anti-gun efforts and now believes that the gun maker’s profitability will… (wait for it)… shoot up!  In a terribly down market, publicly traded firearm maker’s stock prices increased strongly after Obama’s tear-stained tantrum. Smith and Wesson’s stock price rose 12% in one day. Traders are expecting the public to once again rush to gun stores to buy the product Obama is railing against. Call the increase in gun sales the usual unexpected consequences of the administration’s efforts.

Looks like the Stock Market is just one more entity that doesn’t believe Obama can be effective in anything.      

 

Writing in The Washington Post, Ann Brown, who served as chairman of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission during Bill Clinton’s presidency asked obama to regulate ammunition.


Comment- Rob- Candidate Gavin Newsom from California wanted background checks for ammunition sales.  We consume some 8 billion rounds a year.  Who, besides a democrat politician, thinks their laws will restrict criminals from getting bullets?

Paul

Rob

 

3-  News 3

 

Obama’s speech was written for the media.  That means it was pre-digested into small sound bites the media could broadcast without editing or explanation.  Sometimes life delivers lessons that even the media can understand.  Take the old phrase that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.  Washington DC Mayor Muriel Bowser called a press conference along with DC Police Chief Cathy Lanier.  They announced a new police task force to fight robberies.  The car carrying the news crew from TV station ABC-7 was parked within a few hundred feet of the press conference and within sight of the podium.  Robbers broke the car windows and stole equipment while the new task force was being announced.

 

Comment- But Chief Lanier said the police are there  to protect us?

Comment-  The Chief lied.

Comment- Another life lesson for the DC media

Comment- and the mayor and police chief.

Rachel

 

Google- YouTube had a fit of political correctness and pulled the popular channel Hickok45.  That firearms channel has almost 2 million subscribers.  The channel was back up a day later.

 

News from the other California

The Anderson high school district is in California, but an astute student would ask which California.  The city of Anderson is about a hundred miles from the Oregon border, and a world away from San Francisco and Los Angeles.  Yes, the California legislature passed a law making it illegal for licensed concealed carriers to carry on campus.  The school district dug into the law and found that they could let concealed carriers on campus with written permission.  District officials gave permission for their staff with concealed carry permits to carry on campus.  When news crews asked students, the students said they were glad the staff and teachers were armed.

Anderson police chief Mike Johnson wasn’t part of the school’s decision, but he supports having armed staff.  Quote- “It is definitely a plus to have armed, responsible people who have been vetted and can actually provide another layer of protection for the kids. That’s the bottom line, if it provides more protection for our children, how can you be against it?

 

“We need the help of the citizens, we need communities to participate. I think it’s absolutely a step in the right direction. I’ve advocated for several years that a lot of these campuses, and college campuses, in particular should have armed people on campus and should have CCW holders at least with access to weapons if they need them.  Close quote.

 

More guns means less crime

We hear about crime in America’s large Democrat controlled cities all the time.  Yet you probably didn’t hear about america’s 6th largest city.  Phoenix, Arizona has struggled like the rest of America in the Obama economy.  Arizona is called the best state for gun owners, yet Phoenix had the lowest number of murders in 30 year.  The rate of murder in Phoenix is 57 percent lower than in Chicago, Illinois.  That is despite the crazy gun laws in Chicago, Illinois.

 

Chicago has-

-A 72-hour waiting period for handguns and a 24-hour waiting period for long guns.

-A requirement for a state issued ID card to purchase or possess a firearm and ammunition.

-a locked storage requirement when you move your gun.

-Firearm sellers are required to provide a gun lock.

-Illinois Firearms seller are required to keep a record of their sale for at least 10 years.

Yet, Chicago is the Murder Capital of America with the greatest number of murders .. and it gets more dangerous each year.

 

Phoenix shows declining murder rates at the same time.

 

Rachel-

 

Open carry texas.. and no one noticed

Pictures of holstered guns suddenly appeared on New Years Day.  This wasn’t a late christmas with everyone showing off the holsters they received from Santa.  Facebook was alive with pictures.. as Texas went open carry.  And.. nothing happened.  You can take off your boots and go back to wearing flip-flops again.  There is no river of blood flooding the streets.  Nothing happened.  A few stores put up signs saying they don’t want our business.  Most of those will come down in a few weeks.  What was unusual, if you call it that, was that open carry did NOT draw comments.  Yawn.

 

That is a good thing.  It shows that gun owners are our neighbors.  We’re a trusted part of the community.  We’re everywhere whether we carry open or carry concealed.  The good news is that the acceptance of open carry is another way responsible firearms owners are reclaiming the American culture.

 

Thank you, and carry on.

 

Comment- Some churches are coming to grips with open and concealed carry.

Comment- Paul- Then there is Waffle House that always said they don’t want our money.

Comment- Rob- The Democrat Party in Texas was selling Texas 30.07 no-guns signs for 7 dollars each.

Comment- Rachel- I’m glad it isn’t a big deal. I want guns to be normal, not shocking. I like having a gun open, but I don’t want it to be the most prominent thing people notice about me. It should fit in just like any other accessory. I don’t want gun-carrying to be my identity; rather, I want to show that a gun can fit naturally and unobtrusively into anyone’s identity.

 

More gun sales

The preliminary records are in for 2015.  We had over 23 million background checks which was a 10 percent increase over the old record set in 2013.  Some states do not require a background check for every sale, so the corrected number of firearms sold is closer to 25 million.  To offer you some perspective, combining law enforcement with the US armed forces is only three million people full time equivalent.  The firearms purchased by US civilians could re-arm them eight times over.. each year.

 

Comment Rob- ‘Merica, that is what I say.

 

Comment- Paul- President Obama deserves the gun salesman of the year award.. again.

 

There are police officers and then there are police officers

Training documents for Chicago Aviation officers were recently released to the public.  The officers are told to run and hide in case of an armed criminals or terrorists in Chicago’s Midway and O’hare airports.  The officers are disarmed even though they go through the same police academy and are considered as sworn officers by the city.  A training video says, “If evacuation is not possible, you should find a place to hide where the active shooter is less likely to find you. Block entry to your hiding place and lock the door.” close quote.

 

Doesn’t that make you feel safer as you change planes in Chicago?

 

comment- rob- There has been ongoing friction between the armed chicago police and the disarmed aviation police.  The armed chicago cops treat the aviation police like rent-a-cops even though they are city employees and attended the same academy.

 

Well that is a different opinion

The Seattle City council banned knives in public.  Of course, the city was sued, and the Washington state Supreme Court ruled there is no constitutional right to carry a knife in public.  Justice Charles Wiggins said neither the state constitution nor the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution blocks the city law against carrying knives.   Quote “While almost any common object may be used as a weapon, that does not necessarily mean that possession of otherwise innocuous objects that could be wielded with malice will trigger the constitutional protections afforded to ‘arms.’”  That decision directly contradicts the ruling in 2014 from the Connecticut supreme court that ruled knives and batons are arms, and so protected by the right to bear arms and the second amendment.

 

Comment- Rob- don’t trust judges to do the right thing

Comment- Gary- donate to knife rights

Comment- Paul- elections have consequences.. like appointing partisan judges to the bench.

Comment- Rachel- Washington gun owners were inactive and let these laws stand.  Now they have the difficult task of overturning them.  You snooze you lose.

Gun Quotes

 

And …from the great Thomas Sowell: “Reality does not disappear because we don’t see it. It just hits us like a ton of bricks when we least expect it.”

 

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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4- Interview 1

Gary Slider is the research arm of http://www.Handgunlaw.us.  He has been traveling with a gun for 30 years.

Maine does NOT have constitutional carry.  You need a maine permit to carry in some of their parks.  Maine does not recognize non resident permits.  Open carry is not permitted in their state parks.  The maine laws are so complicated that many gun owners will inadvertently violate Maine’s laws.  If they are complicated by our standards, then they are beyond many law enforcement officers.

 

Virginia requires that reciprocal states provide 24-7 verification that your out of state license is valid.  There were NO documented cases where an out of state license holder committed a crime in Virginia.  Check at http://www.vcdl.org/

 

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6- DGUs

 

1- Katie and Matt Klaxon were parked at a Springfield, Missouri gas station.  Their four children were in the car.  Matt was pumping gas when a stranger approached Katie who was still sitting in the car.  The stranger opened the car door and threatened Katie with a large knife.  Katie called for Matt who then drew his Beretta pistol and told the man to leave.  The assailant said Quote “You’re lucky he has a gun,” as he closed the car door and backed away.  The Klaxon’s called police and kept an eye on the man who tried to open other car doors.  He was arrested, though no charges have yet been filed.

 

Comments-  Condition white.  Unaware of an intruder.  I can’t figure out why the man didn’t shoot.  The woman was in immediate danger from a lethal threat.  I’m thinking the time for words is over.

 

comment- Perhaps the man didn’t see the knife.

Rob- Stopped mass murder.

Rachel-

 

2- 100 pound grandma stops thug  (Oh, carp – I duplicated this with my Don’t Torque off the Old Gal segment. (the last DGU.)  Use one or the other.  Dan)  

A 65 year old Manchester, New Hampshire woman stopped to buy gasoline. She had just gotten out of work at 11:30 pm.  She noticed a dark colored sedan following her as she drove home to her apartment.  She parked as close to her building as possible.  She heard footsteps behind her as she hurried to her apartment stairway.  The mugger ran in front of her blocking her bath.  He grabbed her.  The grandmother then drew her pistol and shot the man in the chest.  He ran.  The old woman retreated into her building and called police.  The mugger  and his accomplice drove to a nearby hospital where police were waiting.

 

The woman’s firearm was taken as evidence by police.  She has her concealed carry permit.  The Mayor of Manchester called the woman to ask if she felt safe without her gun.  She said a neighbor had already loaned her one.

 

rachel-gas rules:

comment- rob-  A neighbor loaned a gun to a 65 year old grandma with a carry permit?  Oh, the Horror!  I hope they are both prosecuted for not undergoing a mandatory background check.  We need another law.. NOT!

 

Rachel-she noticed….she parked close….she heard….

 

3- Armed Florida Man Invades Home – and is Shot and Killed

On New Years Day, an armed man invaded a Lakeland, Florida home and shot at the two residents inside. He was shot and killed by the homeowner for his trouble. The criminal’s were the only injuries.  

Chevez Antwann Fiason, 24, had violent history and had just been paroled from prison in March 2015.  Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd had little compassion for the thief. “Forcing your way into an occupied residence is a bold and foolish decision – if you are foolish enough to break into someone’s home, you can expect to be shot in Polk County.”

Oddly enough, the homeowner is not expected to be charged.  

 

4- Teenager Killed Robbing a Home
A Columbus, Ohio resident was forced to defend his life during a home-invasion robbery. Police found 18-year-old Amir Kirby dead inside the home. The home owner was questioned by detectives and stated that he was defending his life when he shot the teen.  

 

The home owner has not been charged.  

 

5- Father and Son Fight Off Three Attackers — With a Gun

A father and son found themselves is an early morning fight for their lives when three attackers busted-in their Columbus, Nebraska door. The three were armed with a hammer and a sap and immediately attacked the residents. Both men were injured by blows to the face and repeatedly choked. The attack continued until the father was able to free himself and get his pistol from his bedroom.

The thieves fled rather than face a gun. The father pursued the men into the alley and fired several shots into the escape vehicle “to mark it”. (This was very much not a good idea.) Police arrived to investigate and shortly took both victims to the hospital. The investigation continues and police are asking the community for help in solving the crime. Charges have not been leveled against either man.

 

The men lived in a beautiful neighborhood, across from a golf course and a park. Now, both men are now planning to take a CCW class next month. As the son said; “People need to go back to being Americans and not only stand up for themselves, but our police officers, our friends, our families, our neighbors, our people we don’t know next to us you know, gives us a fighting chance.”

Paul – Pants on gun on

 

6- Armed thief shot at South Florida Restaurant

An ex convict walked into a south florida restaurant wearing a mask and carrying a gun.  The same man had been observed by other shop owners in the area as the thief looked for security cameras before the robbery.  Then the thief entered Captain Max Seafood restaurant in a Miami suburb.  The thief demanded money and the store clerk argued with him.  That is when the clerk presented his own firearm and shot the thief.  The thief died at the scene.  The criminal was convicted of two weapons charges in 2007 and convicted for armed carjacking in 2008.  He was released from prison in October of this year.

 

comment-Rob- are you arguing in order to talk the thief out of robbing the store.. or are you arguing as a distraction because you’ve already decided to use deadly force and are waiting for your best chance?

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Listener voicemail #1

 

Email #1   From Bob

Hello Paul,

 

I enjoy the show. I learn a lot though, sometimes there are things that are unclear because I don’t have the experience or the exposure to the far end of the gun culture.

 

Having said all that, I know you will talk about the speech the President gave. I don’t know why all the various groups are making such a fuss about what he plans to do.

 

If you believe him, he has the right to change or enforce new gun restrictions regardless of what the various states want.

For a moment let’s say he is right. If he is able to make all the changes he has proposed, it would only bring the rest of the nation in line with what we have in California.

 

But that’s exactly the problem.

Yeah that’s right …. you will have the same “rights” that we have, lucky you. Mandatory limited/small capacity mags and altered versions of what firearms were meant to be, can’t believe we can have a different version of a pistol because it has an ambidextrous safety, shouldn’t that make it more safe? See what you have to look forward to..

 

This should be one of the biggest reasons to show others why we cannot let anyone take us down that path.

 

The two comments Obama made that stuck in my mind were,

Even if these changes can’t stop the next mass shooting, we still need to do something to try.

It happens in the streets of Chicago.

 

Not sure how his ideas will change a nation if he couldn’t change just one city when he was from there. And since we have this in Calif, it didn’t stop San Bernardino.

 

Forget that he is making doctors become cops to learn about guns. I have a son who is limited in his vision, he has a good job and lives on his own.  He talks about wanting something for his apartment, a pistol wouldn’t be a good choice, a shotgun might be better. Could you imagine his doctor having to fill out a report about the blind man who has a shotgun?

I would like to hear the thoughts from the group about a national gun law. If what Obama is doing is in fact legal couldn’t a more gun friendly president make a less restrictive law that would help out those of us in place like CA or NJ. Take the best state law, add something that might actually work for safety, then make it nation wide.

 

Do a Google search about the six year old hockey fan from Canada that was put on the no fly list, and was stopped while trying to go to Boston for a New Years Day hockey game.

 

This email was long enough, next time I will include my wife’s meatloaf recipe

 

Thank you

 

comment-Rachel-

comment- rob- I like the way he thinks.  If an anti-gun president can impose new gun laws then a pro-rights president can impose gun rights.

Rob- will the left stop?

Rachel- we don’t want government working out of its proper jurisdiction, whether for good or for bad. If it’s for good, that might help us short-term. It will kill us long-term since it involves us forgoing the moral high ground.

 

Email #2 Charlie Foxtrot wanted to reply to Jake from Iowa.

 

Hey Jake,

Thanks much for your comments and suggestions.  We’re always hungry for the type of thoughtful feedback you generously provided.

“Back to the kitchen, toots” were my words and I take full responsibility for them. The intent was not to demean women, but to specifically snark Shannon Watts and her Moms Demand Action organization. I’ve no love for the Bloomberg shills portraying themselves as housemakers forced to publicly demand gun control. Their posing is a fraudulent as their message.

        I can say that I’m a strong supporter of women as full and essential members of Gun Culture 2.0. I’ve volunteered to instruct or help at many New Shooter Introduction events, as well as the NRA’s First Shots, Refuse to be a Victim and Women on Target classes. At my fun-sized job at the Ye ol’ Gun Shoppe, I take great pride in introducing women to the shooting sports and armed self-defense. And I’ve even been able to get the wife into shooting and self-defense, although the Ferguson riots a few miles away didn’t hurt either.

        That being said, my snark could certainly be interpreted as a slam against all women. However unintentional, it must be considered a negligent discharge, and I sincerely apologize to all for the slight.

 

        Thank you again for the feedback.  Let’s both keep working to introduce and incorporate women into America’s gun culture.

Charlie Foxtrot

 

Email #3 from David

 

Dear Paul, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

 

I began listening to your podcast about a year ago and I can’t wait for each new episode. I really enjoy the different personalities and points of view.

 

I am writing as you asked for emails and I wanted to offer a recent shooting experience. I have been shooting for about 20 years ever since my mother took me to a basic pistol class when I was a teenager. I enjoy shooting a wide variety of guns but especially Smith and Wesson revolvers in 357 mag. A week or so ago a friend and I were at our local range and I recognized another gentleman I have shared the range with before. He had three younger (mid to late teens) folks who he was teaching to shoot.  One of the young men was shooting a 1911 and I watched him shoot with his weak thumb crossed over behind the slide. He didn’t get hurt but the teacher was with another student and didn’t notice. I gently showed him how to hold his thumbs away from the slide and he eagerly received the advice and thanked me. I offered to let him shoot my magnum but he was a little intimidated since I was shooting some pretty hot hand loads. I switched over to some 38spec wadcutters and he put 6 rounds within 2 inches at 25 feet. He was so happy it was like Christmas and I gladly gave him the target. I also thanked the instructor for getting new shooters involved. I think we not only need to encourage new shooters but also help and thank those that do put themselves out there and take inexperienced shooters to the range. As teachers yourselves, success can be measured in smiles. Keep up the good work and thank you for all you do. If your travels ever bring you through Columbus, Ohio, I would be happy to go shooting with any or all of you.

 

David

Columbus Ohio

 

rob- David, I want a million more ambassadors like you.

 

Email #4 from Todd

 

Paul,

 

You guys were talking about online pistol courses in your recent podcast. I am an NRA instructor and had a conversation a few months ago with the NRA training folks about a “blended” course they were introducing soon where students can complete some portion of the course online and then take the instructor-led portion in person.

 

Before I could check the website this morning I received an email from the NRA stating they will be rolling out the blended basic pistol course in the first quarter of 2016!

 

I may not represent the opinion of the “old school” instructors but I see this as a good move. A lot of people can’t commit 8 hours to a training course but they can commit half of that, and as I’m in the belly of the beast (CA) I’m looking forward to teaching a couple of these courses next year and creating more safe shooters.

 

Stay Dangerous (stolen from John Farnam’s retort to an email I signed “stay safe”)

 

Todd

 

Rob-

 

E-mail number 4 from Mark

Hi & Happy New Year.

I enjoy listening to your show.  Thanks for all you do.

I live in the people’s republic of NY.  Fortunately, I’m about four hours away from NY city and many of my neighbors are gun owners.  I have a couple of shotguns, 22’s and pistols.  My EDC is a 40 cal.  I am looking for an alternative to an AR-15, since they are illegal here.  I have looked at the Ruger Mini 14, but am also considering a lever action in 357, since I have a couple of 357 pistols.  Your thoughts and recommendations?

Mark

 

Rob- Hi, Mark.  The mini-14 is a fine choice.  So is the New York compliant Black Rain Ordnance. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/03/heres-what-it-looks-like-when-a-gun-manufacturer-releases-a-new-york-compliant-ar-15/

 

Comment from the Facebook page

 

Holy crapola that was a great story about the Craigslist contractor-thief! I had chills during it when we didn’t know if the author was about to get attacked by his own gun.

I too am incredibly proud of the author for his cool head and decisions, I’m not sure I could have handled it as well as he did. But I like to open carry my full sized M&P CORE, so the bad guy probably wouldn’t try me in the first place. wink emoticon

Thanks again for the show, loved the year wrap up, and make sure you’re 1000% politically correct at every moment! *eye roll*

-Clayton from Minnesota.

(P.S. I hope Susan reads this so I can hear her say “holy crapola” on air; twice.) 😂😆

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote an article called Desperate Democrats Turn to Gun-Control Theater  My writing is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, Rachel and Susan,

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay dangerous,

Rachel: be aware

Gary: and we’ll see y’all down the road.

 

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Episode 360 – 2015 The Year in Review

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1- Open and Personal News Segment 

2- Year in Review Segment 1 

3- Year in Review Segment 2

4- Year in Review Segment 3

5- Year in Review Segment 4

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday December 31st, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll try to cover the good news from 2015.
John: I’m John Richardson, and this is our year in review show
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll tell you about a mother of four who used a gun to save herself and her children.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a TON of email and not one but TWO voicemails to go through! So Climb Aboard
Rachel: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul:  episode 360 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- carrying everywhere.  Took relatives shooting.  

John – I hope everyone had a great Christmas. We did our whirlwind trip to St. Louis and Cincy with my granddaughter Olivia. Despite being only 10 months old, she was a trouper. Barb loved her new shotgun with a purple stock that she got for Christmas. She wants to go try it out as soon as it stops raining. On another gun related note, I did my year-end donations to a variety of gun rights groups. Unlike the gun prohibitionists who get a million here and a million there from Bloomberg, gun rights groups depend on $10 here and $25 there to get by.

I received my production model SIRT pistol in today’s mail. I had the beta version of the S&W M&P SIRT pistol and this replaced it. I will have more on this in a later podcast.

On a sad note and the reason I will miss next week’s podcast is that my first cousin Billy Sheridan was killed in a car wreck just before Christmas. I would ask listeners to keep his wife Annie in your prayers.

Rachel

  • looking forward to being done with 2015 and moving on to 2016
  • Got my LTC instructor certification renewed. Preparing for a couple of private CHL classes in January
  • continuing weekly range training – preparing for Run ‘n’ Guns in Oklahoma and West Texas in a month, and practicing my open carry draw
  • There’s still room in the West Texas event – Feb. 6 at Prude Ranch. Sign up ASAP! http://westexrun-n-gun.com/ or call Bruce at 432-426-3201.
  • Licensed OC is the original bill that got me into gun rights. After 3 years of political battling, I will be open carrying a handgun in public beginning tomorrow.

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

January 9 Rifle class

January 10 first 8 hours of Illinois FCCL second 8 hours on the 17th
January 12 ISRA Town Hall
http://www.firearmsafetyinstitute.com/
Paul/Susan
Promo about upcoming training classes here.
Break

2- News 1

We looked back at 2015 and found the good news for gun owners from each week.  This is where we were.. and a glimpse of where we’re going.

  • Guns were the cool gift of Christmas 2014.  We didn’t know this until we counted up the background check data in early January, but last Christmas set another record for gun sales.  I bet we did the same over Christmas in 2015, but it will take a few months to add up the numbers and find out.
  • Seven defendants were found not-guilty of open carrying antique firearms in Austin Texas.. while they handed out pro-gun leaflets.
  • Kroger supermarkets were being boycotted by anti-gun groups because the grocery stores allowed citizens to follow local laws and carry concealed if carry was legal in that state.  Kroger’s total sales rose 11 percent.
    • Paul – Great for Kroger and thank you to all that supported them.
    • John – Not just Kroger’s but their subsidiaries such Harris-Teeter in NC.
  • The veteran’s group Oathkeepers stood fire-watch on rooftops during the riots in Ferguson, Missouri.
  • We reversed a 20-year trend early this year.  A Pew Research poll showed a majority of us now support the right to own a gun rather than supported more laws to control gun ownership.
  • A Connecticut judge said the second amendment applies to knives, mace, stun guns, and sticks.  The right to bear arms means more than guns.
  • Law enforcement officials in Washington state refused to enforce the state’s universal firearms registration scheme after thousands of honest firearms owners exchanged weapons at the state capitol.
    • Paul – we will not comply
  • Professor Eric Dietz of Purdue University built and refined computer models of active armed murderers in public places.  He found that a combination of door locks and guns was the best defense.
    • rob
    • john – It is important to note that the number of anticipated deaths drops quickly when a good guy with a gun is there. It could be an armed teacher or a school resource officer.
  • New Hampshire legislators voted to allow licensed carry in the state house.
    • Paul – no blood in the streets
  • A three judge federal panel said that a prior mental health commitment does not prohibit owning a firearm once the citizen is no longer a danger to himself or others.  The litigant was treated for depression thirty years ago when his wife left him.
  • Watchdog organizations and investigative reporters finally received government documents showing the government sent guns to Mexican drug gangs in order to justify more gun control here in the United States.
    • Paul – We knew this a while ago
  • The number of Illinois concealed carry holders exceeded 100 thousand in its first year.
  • ATF director B Todd Jones resigned.  He oversaw walking guns into Mexico and hid records from congress and from the press.
    • John – He left for a job at the NFL.
  • A federal court judge said we should be able to buy handguns across state lines.
    • texas to dc??
  • Gordon Van Gilder was arrested in New Jersey.  Fortunately, the 70 year old retired history teacher was released and not charged for possessing a 300 year old antique flintlock pistol without paperwork.
  • Missouri passed a law requiring a strict scrutiny level of review for all firearms laws.  Strict scrutiny means the state has to show that their gun control laws both work and have minimal side effects.
    • John – They joined Louisiana with this constitutional amendment.
  • Emily Miller finally got her firearms permit.  Emily is a journalist who lives and reports in Washington DC.
    • John – it is a shame that it wasn’t the single black mom from SE DC.
  • Research showed that Wisconsin concealed carry holders are extremely law abiding.  The rate of violent homicide by Wisconsin concealed carry holders is only 5 percent of the general public.

Rob- they got rid of their waiting period too.

Rachel-these statistics don’t affect our right to keep and bear arms. They DO help greatly to discredit those who assert gun carry is dangerous.

John – shows the importance of Dr. John Lott and his CRPC.

  • BREAK
  • Gun sales grew in 2014.  They set records.. even in anti-gun states like California.  NICs check data showed an increase month over month for the last several years.

Rob

John – The anti-gunners were thinking of me not the new people.

  • Firearms instructor Melody Lauer ran her first class of “Baby Wearing and Carrying”.  Melody and John Lauer have several pre-school age children.  Hurray! We finally admitted that moms both carry guns and need instruction!
    • rachel
  • Ohio adopted universal reciprocity for handgun permits.

John – The importance of this is shown by Virginia.

  • The ATF backed down from its ban on military M855 ammunition.  See what a few million phone calls can do.  Calls from 52 senators helped too.
  • A US District Judge said that online ammunition sales are legal, and the seller is not responsible for crimes committed by the person who buys ammunition.

Rob- lawsuit following the Aurora movie?

  • Kansas adopted constitutional carry.
    • rachel- TX was the 45th open carry state. We are so NOT gonna be the 45th constitutional carry state.
  • Pennsylvania resident Shaneen Allen was pardoned by the New Jersey governor for bringing her firearm with her as she traveled into New Jersey.  She was jailed for 46 days and denied a diversion program for first time offenders.

Rob- Shaneen was pardoned when pro rights groups took billboard advertisements and promoted jury nullification.

John – she also set the precedent for future out of state CCW holders

  • The number of concealed carry license holders grew from 4.7 million in 2007 to over 13 million today, or about 15 percent per year.  Given accelerating gun sales in the last month, concealed carry may clear 14 million by Easter.

John – the rule of 72 says that this number would double in 4.8 years if we can keep the same rate of growth.

Rob – in some states we overwhelmed the ability to process new applications

  • In five states, the number of licensed concealed carriers is more than one in ten adults.
  • Research showed that violent crime has continued to fall as gun ownership has soared.
  • A small church sued a Walmart to force the retailer to stop selling firearms.  The church lost.  Walmart won.. and so did we.

John – They are now going after Cabela’s to “stop selling high cap firearms” whatever that means.

Break

  • Several Oregon sheriffs refused to prosecute firearms owners under the state’s new universal background check laws.

Rob- some counties voted in referendums that forbid enforcement

  • Maine re-legalized automatic knives.  Hey, all knives matter.

John – Banning auto knives doesn’t make sense.

Rob – mom with a knife.

  • Maryland terminated their failed ballistic imaging program.  They photographed a cartridge case from each gun transferred in Maryland.  The 15 year old program was never used in a criminal conviction.
  • Most Americans saw what happens when unarmed individuals face a crowd of thugs.  If you missed the riots in Ferguson, we saw a sad repeat when Baltimore was looted and burned.

Paul – Paris and San Bernardino followed

John – The Baltimore riots took place near the Hilton.

  • A US Appeals Court ruled that open carry is not probable cause for a police officer to stop a citizen.  The judge said that the officer’s qualified immunity did not extend to detaining an individual who was lawfully open carrying a firearm.  This means officers can be sued and are personally liable for court costs and damages.

John – we need a national conversation on qualified immunity.

  • Florida now allows permit-less concealed carry during an emergency.

Rob -hurricane carry?

John – the first post-McDonald case was over any carry during emergencies

  • Minnesota legalized firearms mufflers.
  • Oklahoma allowed armed staff in schools, legalized automatic knives, and passed a knife pre-emption bill.
  • The US Supreme court ruled that we may sell our guns if we’re accused of a crime.

Rob-

  • A judge told Washington DC that it had to issue license to carry a firearm.  The DC city council then passed permit regulations that were so restrictive that only one person in four thousand could get a permit.  Again, a judge issued an injunction against DC’s regulations.  The city dropped its legal appeal.

Paul – Still only 52 permits in the city

  • Texas passed a knife pre-emption bill, open carry with a license, and passed school carry legislation.
    • rachel- yay! thanks to all the OC activists who refused to let the issue die, in spite of all the opposition and nay-sayers

Rob- AG weighted in

John – Knife Rights is a great org pushing knife pre-emption laws.

  • An Oregon legislator was instrumental in passing that states universal background check bill.  Now she faced a recall.. and resigned her seat rather than face the voters.
  • Puerto Rico allowed open and concealed carry after a court order.
  • Nevada eliminated their obnoxious handgun registration requirements if you visited Las Vegas.  Hotels on the strip still prohibit guns.

Paul – I didn’t see any no guns signs when we went to SHOT Show last year

John – NSSF however doesn’t allow firearms or ammo into the SHOT Show itself.

  • Katie Pavlich narrated the video Safe Haven about protecting our children in school.

John – I highly recommend everyone to watch this. You can find it on YouTube and on the Outdoor Channel’s website.

Rob- we have the link in our show notes.

  • Wisconsin eliminated their waiting period to buy a gun, and they allowed armed police on school grounds.

Rob- Why was it EVER illegal for police to carry on school grounds??!!

    • New York and Connecticut legislators demanded that citizens register their modern rifles.  Fewer than 5 percent of us complied .. including most police officers.
  • Break
  • A study from Columbia University found that a third of us own guns.

Rob- Columbia!???

  • California state Senator Leland Yee sponsored many firearms restrictions when he was in office.  He won awards from the Brady campaign to stop gun violence.  Senator Yee was convicted of fraud and firearms trafficking in federal court.

John – Let’s not forget his Tong friend -Shrimp Boy Chow

  • CNN commentator Lynne Russell and her husband were attacked at gunpoint.  She and her husband defended themselves with a gun.  The media covered the case since she was one of their own.
  • Cleveland Ohio imposed mandatory firearms registration. No one complied.

Paul – Are there a lot of Irish in Cleveland?

  • The two muslim terrorists armed with rifles attacked an art exhibit in Garland, Texas.  The terrorists were shot and killed by a 60-year-old traffic cop armed with his handgun.
    • John – this cop was good. He nailed these guys at 25 yards or further away.
  • The mayor of Boston started a gun turn-in program.  They had one gun turned in this year.
    • Another in NC – they got one knife and a BB gun
    • John – It was from Greensboro – my hometown.
  • Three Americans stopped a muslim terrorist on a French train.  The terrorist was armed with an AK-47 rifle and the Americans were armed with their bare hands.
  • An academic study out of Chicago showed that criminals don’t buy guns legally.. so they are never bothered by background checks.
    • Not a shocking result.
  • The Alabama supreme court ruled that open carry of a handgun is legal.
  • The countries of Russia, Panama, Israel and Brazil made legal moves toward arming more citizens to reduce crime.
    • John – Brazil has homicide number 4x than US.
  • Princeton University armed their Public Safety Officers with modern rifles.  (Hint- Princeton is in anti-gun New Jersey!!)
  • Maine became the sixth state with constitutional carry.
  • A study from the Harvard journal of law and public policy found that the more legally owned guns a country has, the lower the crime rate.
  • A Gallop poll found that 56 percent of us think concealed carry makes us safer.  Gallop also found that the NRA is considered more honest than Hillary Clinton.
  • 40 school districts in Ohio now have trained and armed school staff.
  • Billionaire Michael Bloomberg paid 2 million dollars to support two candidates in the Virginia Senate race.. and these candidates lost.
  • Sunnyvale California demanded that gun owners turn in their ammunition magazines that held over 10 rounds.  No one turned in magazines to the Sunnyvale Department of Public Safety.  Not one.
  • We’ve seen a huge surge in firearms purchases, requests for training and concealed carry applications after the numerous terrorists attacks this year.  We are adding about a million new gun owners a month.
    • John – It shouldn’t be mandatory but we really encourage it.
  • Researchers looked at historical data.  They found that magazine capacity is not a factor in the casualties from armed attacks.
  • The New York assembly leader who got the anti-gun NY SAFE Act passed in the middle of the night was convicted of fraud.  He should spend the rest of his life in prison.
    • John – I wouldn’t be surprised if Cuomo is next.
    • Gary – http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/23/new-york-lawmakers-float-bill-to-restrict-gun-ammo/
  • Law enforcement officers spoke publicly after the domestic terrorism in San Bernardino.  Dozens of sheriffs from across the country asked legally armed citizens to carry concealed.
  • The rate of concealed carry applications hit an all-time high.

Rob’s prediction- Obama will add many ineffective firearms restrictions.  The Supreme court will yawn.  More of us will train.

John – Obama will increase the cost of being a FFL, he will try to say people who really aren’t dealers are dealers. Sales and CCWs will continue to increase.

Rachel- Ditto. No specific predictions, but Obama will keep doing what he does and through his threats or actions, motivate gun owners to be more active and motivate complacent Americans to get up and buy a gun. More women will buy guns, train, and carry. As long as Americans see a threat, they will remain active for gun rights and continue to pass better laws such as open carry and permitless carry, as well as perhaps pushing more nullification-style legislation.

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6- DGUs

Four Bad Guys VS 1 Good Guy. Good Guy Wins!

The Saturday before  Christmas was an eventful one for 2 Washington DC hoodlums and their 2 accomplices from the High Point North Carolina area. The 4 decided to perform a home invasion of an occupied house in Burlington, NC. Once gaining access to the interior of the house they found the homeowner, who confronted them and then opened fire. Two of the bad guys were shot and the homeowner did not appear to be injured from the news reports we have seen. Perhaps the sweetest part of the story is that of the 4 intruders the police found one of them cowering and whimpering in the closet of an apartment after a police dog followed the scent of the bad guy to a nearby apartment complex.

Woman Saves Herself and 4 Children By Shooting at 3 Home Invaders

A mother of four used a gun to save her children and herself from three armed home invaders. Her gunfire stopped the violent criminals and panicked them into fleeing and dropping a gun on the way out. Trotwood Police found one thug on the lawn with his pistol.  

The home’s surveillance video shows the thieves splintering the back door. It also shows them running through the house past children, then roughly handling the woman and threatening her at gunpoint while demanding the money from her ex-husband’s safe. “He hit me in the head with the gun” the woman told the 911 operator. While the thugs were occupied with the safe, the woman was able to grab her gun. “I got my gun and I started shooting and they ran.”

Two of them ran away, one wasn’t able to. Police found the thug in the side yard still clutching his Tec 9 pistol. Azikiwe Presley, 29, was from the Dayton, Ohio area. He suffered a through and through gunshot wound from his left shoulder to his right, and bled out from a destroyed artery. His buddies got away and police are still looking for them. Police say they will be charged with murder in the death of their fellow criminal.

Rob-  Mom was not armed.  5 people were held at gunpoint.  She stopped mass murder.

Three against one.

In another multiple attacker home invasion, this one in Davidson County NC, three men were arrested after breaking into the home of a man who was at home sick from work. The homeowner confronted the three men and fired one shot that missed. That shot however was more than enough to convince the 3 miscreants that this was not the house that they were looking to burglarize. They fled into the woods, where the police found and arrested them

Detroit Gas Station Customer Kills Robber
A man’s smoking habit proved deadly to a robber. The man stopped for cigarettes at a Detroit gas station on 7 Mile Road. There he was approached by a thief who demanded everything from his pockets. The customer turned and fired multiple times at the suspect, who died from the wounds. Police are now reviewing surveillance video in the case.

The robber’s death will likely be reported as a gun homicide and one more death related to smoking.  

Home Invader Calls 911

An Oklahoma City homeowner shot a man breaking into his house. The thief ran, then realized that his wound was dangerous. However, his sadly atrophied criminal mastermind still had a bit of creativity left; so he called 911 and reported that he had been shot – in a drive-by.  

Bemused police were able to put the homeowner’s shooting report and the ventilated man a block away together. Witnesses say the thief was a young male, perhaps 18-19. He is recovering at a hospital and will later be booked into the Oklahoma County Jail. The homeowner believes he’s the same suspect who broke into his home before. “There’s nothing but thieves around here,” a neighbor said. “That’s how this area is right now. It used to be real good.”

This incident show the absolute need to be the first victim to call 911.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Voice mail 1- FPID card in New Jersey.  PPP card to buy a pistol, 1 every 31 days.  Can’t get a concealed carry permit in New Jersey.

Voice mail 2- Mel- Louisville sluggers kill more murders than long guns.-

COMMON MURDER WEAPONS

http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/most-shocking/the-10-most-common-murder-weapons-in-the-united-states/?view=all

FBI HOMICIDE DATA- https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_weapon_2008-2012.xls

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Hello from northern California!

I have been a listener of the PSP since I first started on my path to concealed carry in April of 2014. I love the show and the work you guys are doing, I’ve learned something new every episode.  I really like the DGUs and more so your individual discussions and reasoning about them.  I listen to your show as a whole and i like the entire format of it.

I wonder now with the San Bernardino terrorist attack, how it will affect CCW in CA.  I would think there would be a dramatic increase in applications.  It will be interesting to see the CCW numbers next year, such as % increase over this year.  Unfortunately I fear that as citizens realize they are ultimately responsible for their own lives, the CA government will further strip their ability to defend it.

According to the Cal Guns Foundation 2013 Carry License report;

San Bernadino as a county not city, has 2,454 civilians with CCWs, thats 0.126% of the total population of 2,076,274.

My County of Yuba has 879 civilians with CCWs, 1.21% of the total population of 73,439.

Fresno County has the highest at 6,277 civilians with CCWs, 0.673% of the total population of 952,166.

California as a whole; 52,521 civilians with CCWs, 0.1383% of the total population of 37,966,471.  About 1 out of 1000 Californians are licensed to carry.  Reportedly a 14% increase overall from 2012.

Anyways….

I’ve been meaning to write in and share a personal experience I had last year with a so called carpenter looking for work on craigslist.  I wanted to share my crucial mistakes that got me into trouble and the critical thinking that got me out of it.  Fair warning, it might be a long read.  Please feel free to share as much or as little of this as you see fit, or none of it. :)  If anything, I’d be interested on your take of the situation.  Thanks for letting me ramble!

ROB

Some quick background:

I’m married.  31 years old.  Air Force veteran.   Born in Maryland and mostly raised in New Jersey.  I moved back to California, from Virginia at the end of 2013. (in hind sight, I should have bought more guns before moving)  I didn’t even own my first firearm until I was 26.  I never had a CCW permit until I moved back to CA.

Before I got my CCW, It was recommended that I carry at home to get acclimated to having that chunk of metal on my side.  Since I started that way, i just kept doing it for no particular reason other than habit.  That bit of advice truly helped, I realized the holster i had sucked all around, i broke the bad habit of constantly checking and groping my gun, and i got to see how this lifestyle works with my wardrobe.  As a bonus, my wife became a lot more comfortable with me being armed.

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LONG VERSION:

I hired a handyman from good ‘ol CraigsList to patch up some tile work in the master bathroom of my house. I figured for such a small job i could find someone who does this for a living and is probably looking for extra money side jobs. They could do it faster and better then I could. I was also hoping they could finish it before my wife returned from a girls trip and It would be a nice surprise for her to have our master bathroom back together.

The guy came over the day before and gave me an estimate that I was pretty happy with and he even offered to pick up some materials I was missing. We agree, he shows up the next day ready to go with materials and tools. One red flag, he was dropped off by his “dad”. I let it go, he showed up with everything needed to get to work and he even framed out part of the job at home the night before. At this point he seems eager and willing to work. He puts in a good days work, shows me everything hes doing along the way. I’m in and out of the house doing light yard work, getting forms emailed for college and talking with an auto shop about my broken truck.

4:30 rolls around and he calls me into the bathroom and says we have 2 problems, 1. he didn’t get any rounded corner pieces for the tile and 2. his dad needs some help with another side job they had planned. He apologizes profusely for forgetting the materials and having to leave early. He promises that there is about 2 hours of work left and he can be back first thing in the morning to finish it up. I’m a little miffed, but i haven’t paid him yet and he hasn’t asked for money yet and he really did get a lot done. Apparently his dad was at homedepot, and as luck would have it I needed other things from there so I offered to give him a ride. At first he said no its ok his dad will come back, but then he accepted my generosity. He packed up his tools while I gathered my phone and wallet and searched for my car keys. He steps out for a cigarette. About 5 minutes or so goes by, and I still can’t find my damn car keys. I pop outside and tell him to have another smoke because I can’t find the car keys, he laughs and takes a seat on my patio.

As I’m searching, I look in my night stand even though I don’t remember putting my keys there nor do I usually put them there. That’s when I noticed something seriously wrong, my loaded Ruger SR40 was missing. Immediately I get this sinking feeling and the Adrenaline starts to dump. I try to rationalize it… “Did I put it in the safe?” I check the closet safe, not there. “did I leave it in the range bag/box?” Nope, not there. Then I remember, I touched it that morning meaning to put in the safe but I didn’t feel like reorganizing to fit it in there, I purposely left it in the nightstand and at that point regret doing it. Now I know this guy on my patio has in fact stolen my loaded gun. My first instinct is to draw my LC9, and my first thought was to drop in on this guy with my gun drawn and demand my gun back.

I gave that Idea a second thought, decided heavily against it and re-holstered my gun. He wasn’t being aggressive in any way, If he had violent plans then he missed a lot of opportunities to act on them, as far as I’m concerned he doesn’t know that I know. I’m not about to start a gunfight in my house, but I will end one if need be. I go back to my safe in the closet and switch my LC9 to the small of my back and then throw my SR9c into the 4 Oclock with a spare mag in my pocket. I call 911, I describe what I think just happened, I gave descriptions of both of us and I inform them that I am armed and it is concealed on my person. He is still outside. They advise me to keep the car key search going, and also advised to keep them on the line via some ruse. I act like I’m talking to the mechanic who was working on my truck. At one point he pops back in and I very calmly apologize and tell him the auto shop called me back but I’m still looking for the car keys and give me about 5 more minutes. He agrees steps back out and lights up another one. Now I’m a little worried that he might have my car keys too. I ask the operator how long until the police are here, she says it going to be a few minutes but they are enroute. Keep in mind I’m up in the hills, and its already been about 5 minutes at this point.

A few more minutes goes by and the guy drops in again and says he has to take a quick measurement. The 911 operator hears this and says “perfect, the Deputy is pulling onto your street/driveway now, try to get outside”. I casually tell the guy I’m going to check the garage for the keys, he says cool. I slip outside to see a Sheriffs SUV pulling in, THANK GOD! 911 hangs up. I talk with the Deputy briefly, he asks about the size of the missing gun. It’s a full size 40 with a light on it. He figures the guy probably didn’t stuff it in his pants and has it stashed in his tools. He tells me to keep my distance. The Officer goes in, completely surprises the guy! This guy immediately and without being asked starts emptying his pockets for the officer. He acts like he doesn’t know why the officer is here, “this must be a mistake”, “he hired me to do tile work, I didn’t steal anything I swear it!” The Officer pats him down, no gun. The officer then takes him outside and asks more directly where the gun is. The guy denies and lies, and denies some more. The officer tells him to sit down, then starts going through his bucket of tools. I’m posted up in my patio with brick half walls and tall brick pillars, I can see all of this now but I’m still at a distance and somewhat hidden. The knuckle head stands up, the officer yells for him to sit back down, dummy turns around and starts booking it down my driveway and out my gate. I kinda chuckle a bit because I missed a good youtube opportunity by leaving my cell phone inside the house. The Officer yells for me as he’s (slowly) getting back in his truck. He says “well, looks like he wants some exercise, I didn’t find the gun on him, but I didn’t finish searching his tools, feel free to have at it, my back up is on the way, stay alert” Off he went.

I still can’t believe all this BS is actually happening, but I’m glad this hasn’t gone south. I let it sink in for a minute, then I start digging through the dummy’s stuff. Nothing in the bucket of tools. Then I notice his tile saw by the trunk of my car. I tilt it up and hear a clank, I knew what it was. I open the side of the saw where you put the water in and stuffed in there is his sweaty tile dust covered white t shirt wrapped all over my Ruger! I stopped and left it as is. The deputy came back 15 minutes later with his backup. No dummy to be found, he gave them the slip in the bushes and trees. They took my statement on the days events. Snapped some pictures of my gun crammed into the tile saw. We cracked some jokes, they looked at the work dummy did in my shower and agreed that it was actually solid work so far, followed by more jokes about who is keeping his tools (which were probably stolen). They ran his ID which he conveniently left behind. Surprise surprise, dummy has warrants for burglary! They were happy my firearm was retrieved, we were all happy no gunfight erupted in the hills, then we talked guns for a bit and had a little EDC show and tell. They promised to keep me updated and then off they went. I called my neighbors and let them know to be on the lookout. All things considered, it ended well. I wish they could have captured the guy and to date they have not.

I shared the long version with my CCW friends on CalCCW.com, Which has been a great resource for all things CA CCW and beyond:

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/experiences-stories-while-carrying/24890-if-you-dont-carry-home-consider.html

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The dummy also had the nerve to call me that night looking for his (stolen) tools.  I was very candid with my response concerning a possible outcome of him returning to my home.

Lessons learned:

Always carry when legally possible, even at home.

Always secure your firearms with strangers in the home and when you are not home.

Be calm and rational when the “it” hits the fan.

Make sure your gun safe has adequate space for your guns. I have since purchased a bigger safe.

Ask your neighbors for handyman references!

The craziest thing about this, my keys where actually in the damn car!   Somehow wedged between the seat and the arm rest.  Its a keyfob push button start, the car should have started when I first tried it.  Who knows what would have happened after that.

I definitely believe something / someone was looking after me.

Thanks again guys, take care.

Bill Clark

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It was mentioned that life memberships are $350 or $300 right now. The only thing I can find is possibly a $500 through Tom Gresham. Can you tell me where to go to get it for $300? Thanks

Jason from Texas

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Rob- take the 500 dollar deal.

Hi All,

In Episode 358 you were discussing why more people do not go for training.  I agree that one of the main reasons is the inability for our community to publicize.  In my opinion 2 big reasons are time and money.  Gary touched on this when he was counting up the expense involved in just getting a carry license in Illinois.  And especially these days with the economy in such bad shape, fewer people have the money to spend.  That $200 for a MAG-20 class or the $2000 plus accommodations and travel for a 4-day class at a major training academy is just not at the top of many people’s priority list.  After paying their periodic expenses such as healthcare insurance, a mortgage, a car payment, etc. people would prefer saving their money and their vacation days for other endeavors.

I am pro-training.  The above is just an opinion.

Carl

Love the podcast.  I listen as I drive around during the week.

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Rob-

Hi again,

I was disheartened that Rachel has had a negative experience with regard to the NRA.  Even so, I am of the opinion that if one has the money, every pro-rights person should be a member of the NRA and at least one similar local or state organization.  I know the NRA is not perfect and some cases  I wonder what the heck they are thinking but the NRA is the 800 pound gorilla that fights the political fight for us.  It is the guy that comes in the moving truck who looks like he is on the U.S. Olympic weightlifting team.  In the end, we need it.

Thanks again for a great podcast.  I really enjoy the different opinions and contributions from all of you.  I am still grateful for Rachel’s comment about her Shield mag release getting rusty.  That comment put me on the alert to pay attention to my Shield’s mag release.

Thank you all,

Carl

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A comment from the Facebook site about Virginia reciprocity

 

Jason Kirby Speaking of “gun free zones” and concerning the recent statist attack on Liberty in VA.

From the VCDL:

“1) THOUGHTS FOR OUR FELLOW OUT-OF-STATE CHP HOLDERS

First, I’d like to offer an apology to our fellow CHP holders from the 25 states that are about to lose recognition on February 1st.

All of you who have visited Virginia over the years have been exemplary and have not caused any problems within the Commonwealth.

This is NOT about you or anything you have done that was wrong.

It’s about our Governor, Terry McAuliffe, and our Attorney General, Mark Herring, who were both elected by a very small margin, and are a great embarrassment to Virginians. Neither of these individuals are reflective of the attitudes toward liberty and freedom and the values that we cherish here in Virginia. In fact, both have been referred to as “lawless” by some of our own General Assembly members, many of whom are going to work to fix the situation we find ourselves in.

Here in the Old Dominion, the anger of gun owners at what our Attorney General has done is palpable, and I cannot remember anything to match it. Herring and McAuliffe have endangered your lives when you travel here and our lives when we travel outside of Virginia. SIX MILLION CHP holders in half the country are affected!

And all this treachery was done as political payback to Michael Bloomberg for campaign contributions.

VCDL will be working to fix this problem from various angles and we will be trying to do so as expeditiously as possible. We want Virginia to be a welcoming state again for our fellow gun owners. We ultimately want to recognize ALL out-of-state permits.

Sadly, we understand if you decide you can’t visit us until we can honor your permits. I’d be a hypocrite if I said I would do so if the tables were turned.

STOP HERE

HOWEVER, you do have a few options if you still want to come visit us:

  1. Open carry is legal in Virginia – no permit required and you can open carry in most places in Virginia. Our police don’t bat an eye. VCDL’s website has a list of the places that you cannot carry. And, here’s another good reason to open carry: McAuliffe and Herring HATE open carry. But, hey, it was THEIR brilliant idea to prohibit concealed carry, so they will have no choice but to get used to a whole lot more people open carrying in Virginia!
  2. You can have a LOADED handgun in a CLOSED, but not necessarily locked, compartment or container in a vehicle. That includes a glovebox, console, and trunk as long as the compartment or container has some kind of latch. Optionally the loaded handgun can be in plain sight, on the seat or on the dashboard. Again, if concealed it MUST be in a compartment or container and nowhere else. Upon exiting the vehicle, the loaded handgun can be holstered and carried in plain view or you can unload the gun and put it in a carrying case.
  3. You can get a Utah non-resident concealed handgun permit or you can get a Virginia non-resident concealed handgun permit. For the money and the fact that Virginia’s permit has now been degraded by the Attorney General, I’d go for the Utah permit.

Whatever you do, please don’t judge our great Commonwealth based on our current Governor and Attorney General.

2) WHAT CAN BE DONE?

VCDL is working to fix “Herring’s Folly” from several angles.

  1. a) A bill on VCDL’s behalf has been introduced by Delegate Lee Ware and will be considered by the General Assembly, which convenes on January 14th (Lobby Day is on the 18th, BTW). This bill will change Virginia law to honor the CHPs from ALL states! Expect a matching bill to come from the Senate.

Yes, McAuliffe will probably veto it, but with your help, we will work to get as large a majority as possible to pass it. More on this in future legislative updates in January.

In the meantime, here is a link to the bill:

http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?161+ful+HB12

  1. b) The General Assembly’s “Power of the Purse” can be used in different ways to help with this battle
  2. c) We can possibly use the courts to override Herring and McAuliffe’s actions
  3. d) There is a petition you can sign. Yes, Herring will ignore it, but it will make a great PR item, when I say something like, “X thousand of people signed a petition against Herring’s actions.” 7,283 have signed it so far and you guys are just learning about it! Here is the link:

http://tinyurl.com/pajlh9x

  1. d) Since Herring is making our lives miserable, we can return the favor. More on this next week. Oh, and Herring is going to run for Attorney General again in 2017. I’ll bet he’ll be surprised at just how good our memories can be!

3) DON’T FORGET TO KEEP PUSHING PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO COMMENT ON MCAULIFFE’S STATE-AGENCY BAN

As of 8 PM on December 23rd, 2,818 comments have been posted. All but a handful, if that many, are against McAuliffe’s gun ban!

That’s nice, but we can do better. Get this link into the hands of others you know and get them to leave a comments opposing the ban. If you haven’t commented yet, now is a great time to do so. Click on the link and then click on “Enter a comment” to get started:

http://www.townhall.virginia.gov/L/Comments.cfm?StageID=7379

Here’s an article on McAuliffe’s state-agency gun ban and VCDL:

http://bearingdrift.com/…/abc-goes-gun-free-before…/

or

http://tinyurl.com/gpmf2nu

4) DETAILS ON THE BUSES COMING TO LOBBY DAY WILL BE READY VERY SOON

The buses are now confirmed and I will let you know where the pickup points will be, the times, and how to make a reservation. Please make this the biggest Lobby Day VCDL has ever had!

5) MARK YOUR CALENDARS: VCDL MEETING IN RICHMOND AREA ON DECEMBER 29!

VCDL will be holding a long awaited membership meeting in the Richmond area. We will meet at the Glen Allen Library on Tuesday, December 29th at 7:00 p.m. The meeting room will be open to us at 6:30 p.m. for fellowship and the meeting will begin around 7:00.

We will be discussing strategy for Lobby Day and the implications of the recent “audit” by AG Mark Herring and the Executive Order #50 issued by Gov. McAuliffe.

We will adjourn at 8:30 and those who care to will go to the Nuevo Mexico restaurant for continued fellowship.

The meeting is open to all, regardless of your membership status. In fact, we encourage you to bring people who have never been to a VCDL meeting before.

Location:

Glen Allen Library

10501 Staples Mill Road

Glen Allen, VA 23060

Time:

7:00 pm – 8:30 pm

Continued Fellowship:

Nuevo Mexico Restaurante

10282 Staples Mill Road

Glen Allen, VA 23060

www.nuevomexicorestaurante.com

FINALLY – MERRY CHRISTMAS AND MAY GOD BLESS ALL OF YOU!”

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I love your show, but I just had to write in about this one – Last episode, you were talking about Bloomberg’s Moms Demand Action group immediately finding a way to make the Paris attack another push for gun control.  It’s absurd, of course, and I was nodding along with you until you closed with “Get back in the kitchen.”

 

I really feel that sexist stereotypes like that alienate a lot of people.  I’m not a woman, but I do consider myself a feminist in many regards, and it’s part of the reason I’m so into gun rights as a political cause – I think that women should be able to defend themselves on equal footing to anyone, male or female, that decides to attack them.  I recognize that women are disproportionately targeted for violence because they are, on average, smaller and less muscular than men, so I support their right to carry tools to even that disparity of force.  I’m working on my (mostly liberal) female friends to show them the light.  When stuff like that gets said, it reinforces negative stereotypes about the gun culture as being unfriendly towards women, and that stereotype makes many women more averse to joining the gun culture.

 

Lastly, please don’t try and mimic foreign accents – It never ends up sounding right.

 

I’m still loving the work you do, and I hope to see some or all of you at a class or gun rights event sometime in the future.

 

Thanks,

Jake from Iowa

 

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Listening to episode 359 and someone said that NJ doesn’t have FOID. This is incorrect. NJ requires a card to purchase any firearm or handgun ammo. An additional permit is needed to purchase a handgun. See attached with personal info “redacted”.

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Alright folks, Clayton from Minnesota here again! My favorite spaghetti recipe is-
Just kidding. I’d like to talk about home alarms. Why is the number of people with them so abysmal, and the number who have them but don’t set them even worse? People are too lazy. They need to consider risk vs. reward. How can we kick these people in the butt to acquire and/or set their alarms BEFORE they’re broken into and left to the mercy of maniacs?

One of my biggest fears is to remain asleep during a scenario like that and leaving my gun uselessly next to me. The dog isn’t perfect, so I feel an alarm is an important tool. Thanks for your show and for your input.

-Clayton

 

Rob- false alarms are a HUGE problem.

Gary –

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Hi All,
I just listened to the Dec 26 podcast and heard Paul “begging” for emails so here’s something I’ve been researching. I currently reside in Indiana which has the Castle Doctrine, and carry permits are “Shall Issued”. In fact for only $75 I have a lifetime carry permit.  In Indiana, carry is not regulated “concealed” or “open”, meaning one can carry any way, however I always conceal carry.

Now, here’s my issue.  Next week my wife has an interview for a career advancing opportunity in Honolulu.  Needless to say, we are excited about the opportunity to move to Hawaii as I am at retirement age and can follow my wife career moves.   As you probably know, Hawaii has very strict gun laws, including gun registration within 72 hours of moving to the state.  No magazines in excess of ten rounds are allowed.  Hawaii is a  “May Issue” state, however the research I’ve done shows obtaining a carry permit is downright impossible.   You can only have your gun in your car, unloaded and in a locked case, when going to a shooting range or gunsmith.  You cannot make any stops along way.  Also, you must show your registration at the range in order to shoot.

I own six handguns and one home defense shotgun.  I have a Glock 17 with 3 17 round magazines and one 33 round mag.  I also own a H&K VP9 (fantastic gun by the way), with two 15 round mags.  I know I can purchase 10 round magazines for those guns and will do so if we move.   

I’ve been giving a lot of thought of whether I should take all my guns, or sell them (no) or leave a couple behind with family members.  I guess I’d leave the original magazines behind or keep them locked away as my research indicates it’s a possible felony to own them in Hawaii.   I also know I’ll have to change my “carry lifestyle” to something less lethal (knife, spray).  

So I’d like to hear the gang debate / discuss the following issues:

– Would you take all your guns and register them
– I know you can’t advise of breaking the law, but I’m wondering if actual gun registration in Hawaii has high compliance vs. the non compliance laws of Los Angeles and New York as mentioned in your recent podcast.
– What would you recommend as a non-firearm carry defense/Self protection.

Any input or experience on Hawaii gun laws would be appreciated, as well as your general discussion.

Thanks, and I’ll Keep you posted.
Happy New Year!

Thom
Evansville, Indiana

 

Rob- I recently moved from California.  You’re moving to the New Jersey of the Pacific.  You are choosing to be disarmed as a cost of your move.  Your call if you find it worthwhile.
Gary – http://www.hawaiirifleassociation.org/

 

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And a comment off of the website

 

Leaving this comment here because I’m not sure my email has gone through (in regards to Susan’s comments a few shows ago):

Susan,

Although I have enjoyed your show for some time now, I have never taken the time to write in. On your latest podcast, you mentioned that you had come to appreciate the SR9c after you had the chance to shoot one, and that you planned on picking one up. Will this become a carry piece for you or will it be more of a fun/range gun?

From what you said about the subject, I assume that you regularly carry a Glock (if I am incorrect in my assumption, then you have my apologies). If you carry a Glock on a regular basis (and train with it, I would suppose) then you have probably gotten accustomed to its point-and-shoot simplicity. Do you have any qualms about carrying the Ruger with its chiclet-sized safety? It’s definitely not the large, can’t-miss-it-sized lever that you would find on a 1911. Do you see yourself training to flick the safety off as you draw it from the holster, or do you think you might just carry it with the safety always off?

I am curious because I picked up a SR9c on Black Friday, but I am not convinced yet whether I will ever carry it. My normal EDC piece is either an XDS or Ruger LCR, depending on how I have to dress that day, and neither one requires me to consciously think about flipping a lever in order to get the gun ready to fire.

With respect,

Dinny in Houston

 

Rob- it is what I practice with.

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I’ve been busy.  Since this is a year end review show, the post that received the most attention was about Carol Bowne who was murdered in New Jersey called “ Murder Victim Disarmed by New Jersey Judges.   That article was visited 7 thousand times.

 

You might like the article I wrote last week about gun owners in Los Angeles.  It is called 15 minutes to stay alive.  I also have a post about first time gun owners if you know anyone who received a gun at Christmas.  Those articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog only guns and money

 

Politicians like Virginia Attorney Gen. Mark Herring rarely make rash moves like he did on concealed carry agreements without some reason. As Deep Throat said to reporters Woodward and Bernstein in All the President’s Men, “follow the money.” It won’t surprise our listeners to know that Bloomberg’s personal super PAC Independence USA was the single largest donor to Herring with over $1.2 million in ads. The only other candidate to get more from Bloomberg was anti-gun Terry McAuliffe. Herring’s actions were bought and paid for by Michael Bloomberg. This is a reminder that as we start this election year that elections matter.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank our co-hosts for joining me today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Rob,and Susan   

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Episode 359 – Changing Opinions on Assault Weapons Bans

 

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/359.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- News Segment 3

5- Interview : 

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to The Polite Society Podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, December 17th, 2015.  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Matthew Tuszynski, as student at the University of Delaware.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the changing public perception of firearms.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a Craigslist purchase gone wrong.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 359 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I got books and DVDs from the Armed Citizen Legal Defense Network.  And a new shoulder holster.  Thanks, John.

John – I finished grading all my exams, turned it my grades, and now my career as an adjunct professor has come to a close. That will give me time to actually go shooting and I won’t have to worry about missing a class when I attend the SHOT Show. Speaking of which, I got my program for it in the mail today and now just need my badge to arrive. Other than that, I’m trying to wrap business up as we are heading to St. Louis on Saturday for a whirlwind trip.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

A couple of private classes left this year. January is getting pretty booked up.

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

2- News 1

 

We’re Winning!

For the first time in twenty years, a majority of Americans oppose an “assault weapon” ban. In a New York Times poll that probably rocked the editors to their Guccis, 50% of Americans are now against a ban, while 44% remain in favor of the Clintonesque elimination of the modern sporting rifle. Since 1995, the public reversed its opinion by 16 points, an incredible amount considering this divisive, highly politicized issue.   

The poll numbers are backed by the increasing numbers of first time AR-15 buyers, ever-climbing NICS checks, long lines at the ranges, humming firearm factories, and the sadly reduced stocks of firearms and ammo in gun stores. This change has occurred in spite of the media’s steady anti-gun drumbeat, the constant demonization by the politicians, junk science studies, and Bloomberg’s millions.  The reversal has come with the steady leadership of the NRA, the brilliant legal maneuvering of the Second Amendment Foundation, and the steady rain of facts and analysis from John Lott. Mostly, the change came from the American people themselves, who must have looked at the realities of America’s rifle, and it’s role in defending the Constitution and the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

 


Rob Comment- Candidate Hillary Clinton said that voters WANT more gun control.  How is it possible that many public opinion polls say one thing and Candidate Clinton says another.

Gary- She lies.. and

 

John – In response to this, Rep. David Cicilline of Rhode Island introduced HR 4269 yesterday. While the text isn’t available, the working title says everything –  A bill To regulate assault weapons, to ensure that the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited, and for other purposes. It has 123 co-sponsors – all Democrats.

Gary

 

He’s Loosing!
In the wake of the San Bernardino massacre, Obama continues his attempts to keep guns from the hands of American citizens. As if international terrorism can be defeated by simply controlling firearms of law-abiding Americans. His administration is working on executive actions to tighten background checks, create additional classes of prohibited persons, and increase the requirements for Federal firearms licensees.

To further these goals, Obama invited our old friend Michael Bloomberg to the White House for a closed-door strategy session. “The two discussed ways to keep guns out of the hands of those who should not have access to them and what more could be done at the state and local level to help address gun violence in America,” according to the White House. Obama is obviously looking to coordinate the media mogul’s support for any sweeping executive restructuring of the firearm laws. The legality of the executive actions is questionable and would certainly be challenged in court by the Republicans and the gun- rights organizations. Despite these hurdles, Valerie Jarrett said that the executive orders would be revealed in “short order,”

We’ll be waiting, Mr Obama.  

John – More importantly, the attorneys for the NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation will be waiting!

Rob- Bloomberg wanted to know where to send a check.

 

Sen Paul’s Bill To Gut DC Gun Laws

We’ve told you before about DC Police Chief Cathy Lanier urging her city’s citizens to fight back against terrorists — while working to eliminate the firearms that would allow the citizens to fight effectively.  Now, Senator Rand Paul is fast-tracking the “Defend Our Capital Act 2015” which would gut the city’s draconian gun-control laws.

 

 Paul’s proposal would force DC to issue concealed carry permits to both District residents and nonresidents. It would also require the District to honor concealed carry licenses from other states and roll-back D.C. laws that currently restrict gun and ammunition ownership. The proposal can’t come at a better time, as a three-judge panel at the U.S. Court of Appeals for D.C. disqualified a federal judge in a ruling where he said the District’s highly restrictive concealed carry law is unconstitutional. DC’s ban on CCWs is back in force.

 

Unfortunately, Paul needs the support of at least six Democrats to move the legislation through the Senate over the threatened filibuster. Joe Donnelly was the only Democrat to vote in favor of Paul’s amendment last week; RINO Republican Mark Kirk (IL) voted against it.  

Call your Senator and urge them to support this common-sense gun law!

 

Governor Trying To Implement No Fly – No Buy in Connecticut

Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy is trying to make his state the first to ban the sale of guns to people on federal government watch lists. Claiming this as a common-sense step, Malloy would implement the ban by executive order, which he says he will soon sign.  

 

The measure, which Malloy said needs federal approval, would require state police to determine if a potential gun buyer was on the federal no-fly list or on a watchlist for people suspected of ties to terrorism. It would also revoke existing gun permits issued to people on such a list.

 

Although Malloy claims this is the right thing to do, State gun-rights groups were quick to criticize the move. “I think it is downright dangerous and above and beyond what is constitutionally acceptable,” said Scott Wilson, president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League. White House spokeshole Josh Earnest welcomed Connecticut’s move but said that the Obama administration was determined to press ahead with federal action on guns. “There are necessarily some shortcoming to that approach,” Earnest told reporters at press briefing on Thursday.

 

Shortcomings, yes; at least two. The ban would not have stopped the terror couple’s California attack as the shooters were not on any government terrorism watch list. Loving a bad idea, Illinois and California are also proposing similar laws. Many legal scholars believe these attempts would be in direct violation of Amendments Two, Five and Fourteen of the  United States Constitution. Governor Malloy would also be in violation of Article 1, Section 8 and Article 1, Section 15 of the Connecticut Constitution. The Second Amendment Foundation, among others, is promising an immediate lawsuit. It’s time to get out the checkbook to defend your rights — again.

 

Comment- rob- I think the no-fly no buy proposal is a distraction.  Look at all the gun control laws that absolutely failed to stop mass murderers.  The two muslims who attacked an art show in Garland Texas,  the murderer who shot up armed forces recruitment centers in Chattanooga Tennessee, the murderer at the Oregon community college, at colorado Springs, and now the murders at the Christmas Party in San Bernardino.  Gun control failed each and every time.  The democrats need a distraction from their failure.

 

John – I would not be surprised to see Gov. Terry McAuliffe try the same thing in Virginia. It appears that there is a definite strategy to try and end run Congress on this by going to gun-control friendly states. Or, at least, states with Democrats in charge.

 

Paul – I wonder if this is a dance with Obama

 

Gun TV  

This is going to make some anti’s heads explode: Gun TV, a channel that lets people order firearms from the comfort of their Barcaloungers, is coming to a flatscreen near you. The GTV Live Shopping Network will open for business this coming January. Viewers will be able to buy guns, ammunition, firearms accessories and related gear dressed in their fuzzy slippers. All firearms laws will be followed. Purchases will be sent to local retail stores, where customers will have to pass the federally-mandated background check before taking their firearms home. Initially, there will be six hours of GTV a week, expanding to 24/7 sometime in the first year.

Predictably, the antis immediately speed-knotted their panties. Critics (there’s always some) suggest that Gun TV could trivialize the decision to purchase a weapon, making it the equivalent of ordering a Snuggie or a Ronco Pocket Fisherman. They believe it’s not a decision you should be making at three in the morning because you are watching TV.

We could say the same thing about Snuggies.  

 

Resisting Unjust Laws

Fifty-two years ago, Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote from his Birmingham jail cell: “One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.” Today, many are heeding the spirit of Dr. King’s words and engaging in civil disobedience of what they feel are unjust, unConstitutional laws.  

New York’s draconian gun ban has been routinely ignored by the state’s residents, with compliance being estimated at less than ten percent. Connecticut’s state government passed a law demanding the registration of certain firearms, and the people of Connecticut mainly refused to comply. The city of Sunnyvale demanded that residents hand over all firearms capable of accepting magazines holding more than ten rounds — everything except revolvers and some single-shot rifles — and their citizens turned in a grand total of zero firearms. LA city’s ban on standard capacity magazines has resulted in exactly zero mags being turned into police during the grace period. Throughout the United States, citizens are refusing the mandates of their so-called leaders.

 

Political scientists call it “Irish Democracy” when a populace resists unpopular laws by simply refusing to comply with them. It is a low-grade form of civil disobedience, which can be quite powerful when practiced by a significant portion of the people. When the resistance is widespread, as during Prohibition years, the situation effectively becomes ungovernable.   

 

Gun owners are by large an extremely law-abiding group. But push them too far, and they can become rather stubborn, believing in the intent of the Founding Fathers, their natural rights, cherished freedoms, and the absolute necessity of keeping and bearing arms in this very dangerous world.   

 

John – FAA licensing of model planes.

 

Break

3-  News 2

 

DOJ slow in processing california carry applications

There has been another run on guns as people flocked to gun stores.  This is particularly true in California.  This makes some sense since California has had more than its share of mass public murders.  Its borders are wide open, and the bankrupt state is releasing convicted criminals from jail at an alarming rate.  Some gun stores reported doing four times their regular business.  The requests for background checks and concealed carry applications have also gone up.  Now there is a new bottleneck in Sacramento at the California Department of Justice.  They were always slow to run their background checks.  Now they say they will be even slower.  So tell me.  just how long can they wait as these honorable citizens wait to get the state’s recognition?  Will they wait weeks, months.. or years.

 

Even before this latest muslim attack in San Bernardino, the wait to get an interview in Placer county was 9 months.  Can you say infringed?

 

Comment- can you say lawsuit, as in a right delayed is a right denied.

 

Comment- Rob-  I left CA and had my Louisiana permit about 40 days after I got my driver’s license.

Gary-

Rob- personnel issues at cal doj

John – re FOID cards, Mishaga case

 

Church carry in California

Geof Peabody lives on the western slope of the Sierra mountains in El Dorado County, California.  Peabody trains priests, ministers and church staff for free at his gun range in Placerville.  He’s trained more than 500 people, and the list is growing rapidly.  Classes filled again early this year with the murder of nine parishioners at a church in South Carolina.  Graduates from his class are qualified to apply for a concealed carry permit, and they have.  Many of them carry in church.  El Dorado County Sheriff John D’Agostini is an enthusiastic supporter of concealed carry, and of Peabody’s training for church members.  Sheriff D’Agostini was asked if he feels safer with more concealed carry holders in his county.  Agostini said  “Absolutely. These are law-abiding people. It’s the evil criminals that are the threat.”

Rob-

 

More Video from NJ2AS

New listeners might not know about New Jersey’s attitude towards citizen self-defense.  The police delay issuing firearms purchase permits.  They refuse to issue concealed carry permits.  Judges tolerate that abuse of the right of self-defense.  Both prosecutors and judges treat honorable firearms owners as criminals.  In many cases gun owners are treated more harshly for minor violations than are violent career criminals.  This falls on deaf ears in New Jersey legislature.  The New Jersey Second Amendment Society recorded police officials giving false information to the public when citizens asked about applying for a firearms purchase permit.  Now we candid video to show police misconduct claims, and the video is being run on TV stations across the state.

 

Well done, New Jersey Second Amendment Society.  Can’t wait for your next video to come out.

Rob-

 

Kentucky scans concealed carry each month

Kentucky leads the nation in background checks.. for a simple reason.  The state runs a background check on every state concealed carry holder every month.  Now given that the state would know if IT put a concealed carriers name INTO the database, the only reason to run a background check is to see if the concealed carry holder was convicted in another state.  While it does happen, this sounds like a government make-work project riding on the back of honest concealed carry holders.

 

John- Felony crimes are rare.  Citizens with a concealed carry license commit major crimes only 5 percent as often as the general public.  This is a waste of time, and the police are already busy.

 

Rob- California sheriff was denied.

 

Break

News 3

 

Alabama AG whispers, and gun ban signs come down

Sometimes things work as planned.  Alabama passed a law allowing concealed carry in public buildings.  Some public officials thought they controlled us rather than the citizen controlling them.  The law is clear, and the Alabama attorney general received complaints about a number of no gun signs.  These misplace signs were at county offices, tax commissioners offices, county convention centers, historic buildings, theaters, hotels, city halls, public libraries, arts centers, and animal shelters.  The attorney general, Luther Strange, said the signs must come down or these government agencies would be charged in state court.  The signs came down.  As a reminder, the signs came down at public polling places too.

 

John – Our friend Liston Matthews was one who wrote in.

 

Carry at work in Oklahoma county

Some states have a different attitude towards government employees carrying at work.  County commissioners in Logan County Oklahoma said employees can carry when they are out of the office. That means a road crew or county inspector can carry for their own protection while they are in the field.  Fortunately, the sheriff agrees.  It isn’t clear yet if county employees can carry in the office as well.

 

Texas- has a gun ban problem- separate but equal.

The University of Texas has a gun ban problem.  The law requires the University to allow licensed carry on campus.  But, and it is a big but, the university can impose rules for “public safety”.  What we call public safety and what they call public safety are widely different.  Their rules allow an university employee to impose a gun free zone on their office.  The staff member then has to make themselves available to students at another location.  That means the concealed carrier has to reveal if they are carrying.

 

Comment-  On the other hand, a student who might not be old enough to carry yet, could also ask to meet with the employee outside the office.  I’d do that just to piss off the liberal professors.

 

John – Liberal professors. But we repeat ourselves.

 

Susan- True.  What the regulation does NOT DO, is require that the frightened staff member make themselves available to other STAFF MEMBERS outside the gun free zone.  The gun free zone means that the janitor has to go to work disarmed.  Texans, call your legislators.

 

Texas mass transit to call the cops on open carry

Texas law says that you can open carry on public transportation in Texas.  That doesn’t stop a public transit employee from calling the cops to file a false brandishing charge.  A memo to Dallas Area Rapid Transit employes says-

Greet the open carrier like any other passenger.

Notify Bus Dispatch/Train Control of the boarding/arrival.

Follow Bus Dispatch/Train Control instructions before DART Police arrive on scene.  Police will respond.

These rules are designed to inconvenience passengers that choose to peacefully exercise their rights to openly display a firearm in a holstered handgun.  This policy is also designed to train the public to fear open carriers.

Sounds like the open carriers need to plan trips with their own video crew until the Rapid Transit Authority remembers who they work for.

 

rob-

 

Gun Quotes

To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow. … For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding. – Jeff Snyder

 

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4- Interview 1

Delaware Student Matthew Tuszynski

College club.  University said no ammunition, then on appeal buys ammo for 2a club.

Range where you have to share, rather than rent.

Guns and ammo kept off campus.

 

5- Interview 2

 

6- DGUs

 

1 St Louis Homeowner Shoots a Home Invader

A quiet North St Louis county morning was shattered by gunshots as a homeowner defended his life from two home-invaders. The owner heard a loud banging on his front door and saw two men that he did not recognize, which prompted him to grab a gun. He was ready when the pair splintered the back door.

Shots were exchanged, and a 19-yr-old thug fell mortally wounded. His partner left him on the floor and ran. Several days later, St Louis police arrested another 19 yr old and charged him with armed criminal action, burglary and second-degree murder for the death of his accomplice. Turns out the man was already infamous for a videoed grab and run clothing robbery that knocked a 87-yr-old nun to the ground. Police will charge him with four counts of felony stealing for that crime. There is no word on what the nuns will do to him. The uninjured homeowner is not likely to face any charges as he was defending his life.  

 

Rob- cell phone, panic alarm.

 

2 Two builders tear down a thief in Cincinnati

Two Cincinnati, Ohio building contractors were working on a remodel when one of them walked out to get more tools from their truck.  The builder was stopped by a robber with a gun.  The victim turned over his wallet when the second contractor came to the door.  The thief tried to rob that man of his wallet too, but this victim had his concealed carry permit and was armed.  The victim drew his gun.  The thief fired his gun several times before he was shot and killed by the intended victim.  The two victims were not injured.  They were held by police for a few hours and then released without charge.

 

Rob- have a plan.  Know when you’ll put it into action.  Wouldn’t it have been better of both contractors were armed?

 

3 Craigslist Purchase Goes Bad

A good Craigslist deal for high-end stereo equipment turned into a bad ambush. The Tennessee-area deal turned sour when one of the three buyers pulled a gun and demanded the equipment. One victim told police that if he didn’t act first, he would have been shot. He fired all nine rounds from his weapon and hit the armed suspect at least twice. The two confederates beat feet, leaving their wounded buddy in the dust. The two victims also left and called police from a safer place. Police found the convicted felon still bleeding in the street. They later arrested the other two and will charge all three thieves with aggravated robbery. The unharmed victim is unlikely to face charges as it is believed he acted in self-defense.

Police warn about the dangers involved in these types of transactions, especially around the holiday season. They remind people to only meet in public places.

 

exchange at the PD or ATM

Paul 9 rounds and the bad guy lived

4 Don’t Bring a Toy to a Gunfight
All in all, criminals are not generally known for their intelligence. One Houston area theif just might have earned his place among the dumbest.  He attempted to rob four people – two of which were military security veterans – using a toy gun – in Texas. And yes, he was well-ventilated for those lapses in judgement.

At closing time, two men and two women were leaving the Houston club where they worked. A car pulled up with three men and at least two drawn guns. While the thieves were busy robbing a woman of her purse, one victim reached into his own car and pulled a gun. Pistolman 17-year-old Dante Grant was shot several times and then kicked in the face. One other suspect may have been hit, but he managed to get away in the car. None of the victims were injured. Grant was taken to a local hospital where he remains in critical condition. Police are still searching for his accomplices. The pistol was recovered and found to be only a pellet gun. Unfortunately, the other thieves got a real handgun from the purse of one of the women.

Off body carry fails again……

Paul – Susan

5 Then Again – Some Criminals Do Learn
Three robbers faced a sudden reversal in fortune when a CCW carrying customer acted to defend his life and the life of a cashier. They reversed their path and ran from the scene. There was no word if they were actually turning their lives around at that moment.  

The masked trio tried to rob the Newport News, Virginia Family Dollar late one night. One robber had a gun – but, fortunately, so did a customer. When the customer pulled his gun in self-defense, the three pirouetted and beat a very hasty retreat. Not before one was shouldered into a door jamb by his buddy. There were no shots fired.  

Area police are looking for the three, who are suspected in a string of similar robberies.  One guy should be really easy to identify, from the bruise that face-full of door must have left.  

6 Criminal Pushes His Luck, Follows His Victim Into Home, Gets Shot

From the Only in Nowlans Files: An auto burglary suspect was challenged by the car’s owner. Apparently a little cranky from having his work interrupted, the criminal used a large stick to beat the 62 yr-old owner. When the victim stumbled back into his house, the suspect followed. There, the injured man was able to retrieve a gun and put two into the brazen thief. Jordan Lowe is in stable condition and recovering in a local hospital. He’ll be charged upon release.  

 

 Here’s hoping the victim learned his lesson about carrying his weapon on his body. That might just have saved him a beating.

 

Pants on – Gun on.  

 

Rob

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I have four new posts out this week.  Our listeners might like to read one called “We Stopped Mass Murder”.  Many of our defensive gun use stories fit that category.  These posts are up at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I came across an editorial in the Roanoke Rapids Daily Herald that shocked me. It was an unsigned editorial representing the views of the paper’s editorial board. The shocking thing is that it was, wait for it, pro-gun. It was entitled “Guns not to blame for shootings”. It said that banning guns would stop as many shootings as prohibition stopped drinking. They closed the editorial by saying that “The arms we bear are in fact our most important militia weapons.  The difference between these journalists and the New York Times editors is that they live in the community they serve, go to church with their readers, and shop at Walmart with them. Journalism has a future and it isn’t at the big city dailies.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  

Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 358

 

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- Interview Segment 1: 

5- Interview Segment 2:

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to The polite society Podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday December 10th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Shayna Lopez Rivas  about Florida Campus Carry legislation.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the aftermath of the San Bernardino terror attack.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and a lot of sheriffs came out of the closet for concealed carry.

Bill:  I’m Bill Frady, and they left door open so I could co-host after my day job at Lock and Load Radio.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a beer thief that tried to take on a concealed carrier with a log .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 358 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Carried.  How about you, Bill Frady?

 

Bill – I built a backpack kit.. and then I found a commercial bag that fits me out.

 

John – This week has been taken up with grading exams and work. However, I did do something very important that is gun rights related. I upgraded my NRA Life membership to an Endowment Life membership. In addition, I bought a regular NRA annual membership for my wife Barb. I had put off moving to Endowment for a few years and thought the time to do it was now especially with all the attacks we are facing and are going to face from anti-gun politicians. If you are on the border, do it now because the price for all membership categories goes up January 1st.

 

Rachel

-still loving having my range so close. Open carry holster training today. Getting ready for january.

-chl class for a church group this saturday

-Gunpowder and Brew activist meetup next Thursday, Dec. 17, 7:30pm at Genuine Joe in Austin

-DPS forced my hand to renew an NRA membership I don’t want. I’m hoping it benefits some of my friends in other states where the NRA actually has been helpful in passing strong gun rights legislation.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Paul/Susan Working on the MAG 40 class, trying to line up RSOs.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

2- News 1

 

Aftermath of San Bernardino Terror Attack

We continue to learn more about the attack on the San Bernardino Holiday party. To no-one’s surprise, except perhaps Obama’s, the FBI officially classified the massacre as a terror attack. Disturbing details continue to emerge about the Islamists, their radicalization, the extensive pre-planning, communications with ISIS, suspicious money transfers, possible helpers, the weapons and their sources. Most troubling is the woman suspect. She was able to pass both the Dept of Homeland Security and FBI background checks and was allowed into the country. Neither she nor her husband triggered any administration concern, despite all their obvious red flags.

 

Obama addressed the Nation Sunday night. The speech was long on platitudes and lofty intentions and critically short of any new direction or plans. The one area that did receive considerable attention was firearms. Obama again urged Congress to be sure “no-one on the No-Fly list is able to buy a gun.” The effectivity of this list is obvious, as neither of the dead terrorists were on the list. Even with the No-Fly No-Buy law, the terror couple would have been able to buy their weapons despite the FBI background checks. Just one more failure of the thousands of gun-control laws.

 

Hundreds of thousands of Americans are on that list; trapped, as the ACLU puts it, by a virtually standardless government watchlisting scheme that ensnares innocent people and encourages racial and religious profiling. It’s so bad that the reliably hard-left LA Times joined the ACLU in demanding that the Terror Watch be fixed before it’s used to unConstitutionally deprive Americans of their rights.

Call your politicians and demand the end to this tyrannical legislation. More importantly: join and contribute to the NRA and NRA-ILA. They are taking the fight to the enemy that has chosen to fight the law-abiding gun owners instead of terrorists.  

Stay prepared, stay armed, stay aware, and stay safe. Fight anyone who wants to take your life or your rights. It’s an increasingly dangerous world out there.  

 

John – The Associated Press is reporting this afternoon that President Obama’s advisors are getting ready to present him a proposal that would allow him to expand background checks without Congressional approval. Obama’s most trusted advisor Valerie Jarrett signaled this on Wed. night in comments at a vigil for the Newtown shooting victims.

 

Rob- comment- the two muslim terrorists were not on the no fly list

Paul-

Gary-

Bill??

Rob-They added a fore-grip.

 

America Responds to the Terror Attacks

As George Will observed, Americans are voting with their feet on gun-control. Those feet are taking more and more citizens into the Nation’s gun stores. Will said, “This year on Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, 185,000 Americans got background checks for firearms. That’s a one day record in this country. So the American people have made clear what they think about the 2nd Amendment and the usefulness of owning guns.”

Firearm background checks have reached record levels. CCP applications are surging across the nation, especially near the San Bernardino attack. And the more the administration vilifies the NRA, the higher their approval numbers, memberships and donations go. We’re going to give our good friend John a shout-out: for upgrading from Lifetime to the NRA Endowment level.

 

A hundred million firearms have been sold during Obama’s administration. Without a doubt, he is the champion gun salesman of all time. Makes you wonder if he secretly heavily invested in gun company stocks – or if this is just one more “unexpected consequence“ of Obama’s failing policies.  

 

CF – At Ye Ol’ Gun Shoppe, we’re seeing a rush of first-time firearm buyers. We’ve experienced some increase in ARs and HD shotguns, but most of the new buyers are looking for pistols. Many buyers mention Paris and San Bernardino as well as Obama’s gun-control push. A common refrain is “I just need to have it. But, I’m not going to be shooting it that much.” The shooting community is going to have to guide these new shooters and welcome them into the armed and polite society.  

 

John – Prof Brian Patrick did his dissertation about how the NRA grew more when it was attacked than when it wasn’t.

Rob- It is time of us to stand up as ambassadors for the gun lobby.

Rachel-yes, and offer our alternative to fear

John – The Gun Blog Blacklist is starting a program to try and pair them up with newbies.

Rachel-Refer women to their local chapter of A Girl & A Gun – http://www.agirlandagun.org/

http://www.agirlandagun.org/

 

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Political response to terrorist attacks

Now serving number 358

Gun stores in San Bernardino, California are standing room only.. with a long line waiting outside for room to get in.  The rate of concealed carry applications increased five fold, and there is now a 1000 person backlog waiting for their concealed carry applications to be processed.

 

Rachel-I’m glad so many people are making a logical response to the danger they saw come so close. I hope that others farther away will also take responsibility for their own safety and not wait until it’s too late, or they have their own close call.

Rob-  They have to grind through that backlog.

 

Bill Why there hasn’t been or why there isn’t an explosion in training?

Rachel-there is. Take A Girl & A Gun for example.

Rob- They know how to buy, but are not familiar with instruction.

Rob- when will we see the massive online training courses for firearms?

 

Wear a star

Sheriffs across the country are going public with their support of concealed carry and citizen self-defense.  

 

-Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Maricopa County, Arizona augments his police force with a civilian posse.  “I’m asking armed citizens to make sure that if some violent activity occurs that they take action to defend themselves, and also the people around them until law enforcement shows up.”

 

Rob-

 

-The Sheriff in a small Oklahoma county said this “I encourage all who are legally eligible and trained to carry concealed weapons to do so. I do not want any of us to be helpless victims if we should fall under attack.”

 

-The Sheriff in Hughes Springs Texas said “I am asking you to help me by arming yourself.  Get a carry permit and learn to use your firearm safely.. We can’t be everywhere all the time.”

 

Rachel

-The Sheriff in Lebanon, Missouri cut the price of a concealed carry license from 100 down to 65 dollars. He said, “if (people) want to have a concealed firearm and are law-abiding citizens that they have a right to carry a concealed weapon.  It’s getting dangerous for just the common citizen because everybody that was killed in France and all those who were killed in California weren’t cops. They were just normal people, everyday walking-the-street people, and they should have a right to defend themselves.  People having CCWs, (well) you don’t know whether they’re armed or not — and you’re a little more reluctant to go in and shoot a place up or rob people.”

 

-Two Ohio Sheriffs asked citizens to get their carry permits.  Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones said, “people should get their conceal and carry permit and carry a gun where permitted. You don’t want to be that person hiding under the desk or in a closet waiting for someone to come rescue you.”

 

-Montgomery County, Ohio Sheriff Phil Plummer said much the same thing.  “I encourage all law abiding citizens to get Conceal Carry Permits,” he said. “I think it’s so important that we’re turning around the permits in 24 hours. We have to arm ourselves and protect ourselves because they’re killing our families.”

 

-Brevard County, Florida Sheriff Wayne Ivey said “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. If you are a person who is legally licensed to carry a firearm, now is a time more than ever to realize that you and you alone very well might be the first line of defense for you [and] your family.”

 

-Sheriff Helmig from Boone County, Kentucky said “I remind the people who have applied, been trained, and issued a license to carry a Concealed Deadly Weapon (CCDW) that they also have a responsibility to carry their firearm, which they are proficient with, for the safety of themselves and others.”

 

John – Notice that these are sheriffs – elected LEOs – and not big city police chiefs who are beholden to anti-gun politicians for their job.

 

Rob

 

Mayors too

Two mayors in New Jersey asked to arm ordinary citizens.  Egg Harbor Township Mayor James McCullough said “Maybe if someone had a gun during the San Bernardino shooting spree, some of the 14 innocent people would still be alive”.   Estell Manor Councilman-elect Joe Venezia said “(People) should have the right to (protect themselves). It would only be an effective tool to help law enforcement.”

 

Rob- We’ve seen gun ranges offer discount firearms training to clergy.  We’ve seen Arizona gun stores offer CCW classes with a new purchase.

 

Rob- Learner’s permit.

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3-  News 2

 

Gun Quotes

“Today we need a nation of minutemen; citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.” John F. Kennedy

 

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4- Interview 1

Are you a student?

Have you asked a radio station in Miami to talk to you?

Here is the contact info for Fl Sen Miguel Díaz de la Portilla

 

District Office

2100 Coral Way

Suite 505

Miami, FL 33145

(305) 643-7200

Senate VOIP: 44000

 

Legislative Assistants

Anabel Castillo and Julio Guillen

 

Tallahassee Office

406 Senate Office Building

404 South Monroe Street

Tallahassee, FL 32399-1100

(850) 487-5040

Senate VOIP: 5040

 

Legislative Assistant

Patricia Gosney

 

5- Interview 2

Bill Frady and his “Isis welcome wagon bag”

http://lockandloadradio.com/

med kit?

ammunition

Rob- are the contents listed online?

 

6- DGUs

 

1 Don’t Bring a Log to a Gun Fight

A 46-year-old man was challenged by several witnesses after he swiped beer and other items from a Tucson, Arizona convenience store. The man grabbed a large log and charged one of the witnesses. Faced with the deadly – however unwieldy – threat, the witness drew his concealed weapon and shot several times. The logger (see what we did there? ;^)’  ) was transported to a local hospital where he died.  

 

The witness is cooperating with police and no charges have been filed to date.

Rob- Intoxication?

 

2 Robber Won’t Ever Drink Merlot Again

Two men entered the Baltimore-area Towson Wine and Spirits shop. They weren’t looking for the perfect Pinot Noir, just some easy cash. One robber pulled a gun and pointed it at the head of the clerk, who uncorked his own gun. The 68-year-old clerk was able to shoot the criminal several times in defense of his life. Both criminals ran from the store, one escaped and the other fell to the pavement and died. The 25-year-old criminal had led a violent life before dying on the Towson street. He had been convicted for armed robbery and armed carjacking, but the system released him on parole. He had been arrested for violating that parole, but his hearing was scheduled for sometime in the Spring. In the meantime, he continued to walk free – with a gun.  


Neighbors had little sympathy for the dead criminal and only compassion for the clerk, who was described as a very friendly, knowledgeable wine enthusiast.

Police report It is permissible to carry a firearm within a business in Maryland. They also said the clerk’s firearm was legally purchased and registered. The robber’s firearm’s history is uncertain and was certainly illegally possessed by the felon. Police continue to investigate, the results will be turned over to the district attorney for the determination if the clerk will be charged. The same system turned a convicted felon loose on the populace, and then didn’t reincarcerate when the felon violated the terms of his parole. This is another clear failure of the State’s catch and release rehabilitation system — as well as Maryland’s repressive gun-control laws.    

 

Rob- This clerk had fractions of a second to respond.  He did not have time to go to the back office and open a gun safe.

John – The only concern I have for the store clerk is that it is Baltimore County.

 

3 Woman Uses Her Training – And a 45 – To Hold Off a Home-Invader

A Tennessee woman used her firearms training – and a 45 – to stop a home-invader and hold him for the police. For peace of mind, she had taken CCW training and purchased the FNH .45 handgun two years ago, but she thought she would never have to use her training. Her foresight paid off handsomely when a criminal with 40 prior arrests, one a mere six hours before, tried to break down her door.  

 

Police arrived to the touching scenario of a woman holding the criminal at gunpoint on her front lawn. “I didn’t know what he had. So I didn’t want to let him out of my sight. I didn’t want him to attack me or shoot me or do whatever,” the woman said. No shots had been fired. The feckless thief is in jail on charges of Aggravated Burglary, Theft and Burglary of a Motor Vehicle.

 

Just maybe his stay in jail will be a little longer this time.  

 

Rob- time to have a loaded gun nearby

 

4 Yes, there is a gun culture in California

53 year old Gilbert Minjares was putting his young daughter to bed when he heard crash coming from his back porch.  He put his daughter in the closet and grabbed his handgun.  A large man met him halfway to the back door.  Minjares raised his gun and the large man froze.  The homeowner backed the burglar out of the home and had him lay in the back yard.  The homeowner had to return to his home to grab his cell phone to call police.

 

Fortunately he told the police what he and the burglar looked like.  That paid off and  not one officer pointed a gun at me.”

As soon as the suspect was in custody Minjares ran back into his home to get his little girl, who he found hiding behind his clothes in his closet.

 

???win the fight to the phone?

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

We have had a BIG issue with Onair@politicsandguns.com. It is fixed but we lost quite a few emails including some really awesome ones. If you have emailed and haven’t heard your email on the air PLEASE resend it!

 

Carl wrote in with the subject line Air Guns

 

I was just wondering if any of you use airguns.  I have found that shooting an airgun in my back yard can assuage, if only temporarily, my desire to get out to the range.  Soup cans and Dum-Dum lollipops make fun, reactive targets.

 

Since the motions are the same, I can do some practicing of my technique.  My collection consists of both air rifles and air handguns.

 

And for small varmints a 0.22 springer with the proper pellet is very effective.

 

Thanks for the great podcast.  I particularly appreciate the different opinions and personalities.  Recently a comment Rachel made alerted me to initially lube and keep an eye on the magazine release of my brand new Smith & Wesson Shield.

 

Carl

Ohio

Rob- I learned with a air rifle.  I want one for instruction.

Rachel

 

Rashel wrote in with the subject line Question!

 

Love yalls show! Thank you for the great information. Thoroughly fabulous.

I have a question… Do u have any tips on traveling with a legal carry pistol? I’m going from Texas to Colorado on American Airlines. I noticed there’s legal carry with license from TX to CO… I’ll be checking bags…

Right?

Thanks!

Rashel from East Texas

Rob- give yourself time at the airport

Rachel- I had a great experience from TX to AZ. It added maybe 5min to my check-in time. Packed guns and ammo in lockboxes inside of my checked bag (ammo was inside ammo boxes), filled out their card, took it to a room where they swabbed it and scanned it (never opened it) and I was good to go.

 

Rob- baggage check in, not TSA.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- My latest article is called “We Stopped Mass Murder”.  We know the mainstream media largely ignores citizen self-defense stories.  Oddly enough, we do the same.  A concealed carry holder stops a potential mass murder whenever the stop a robbery at a convenience store.  Those articles are up at Clash Daily.  Ammoland, and my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

We have read a lot about adding the No-Fly and Terrorist Watch List to the NICS Denied category. There have been plenty of strong arguments against this on Constitutional grounds and this is good. Here is an argument against doing it from a practical perspective. Adding suspected terrorists to the NICS Denied list makes it into an early warning system for terrorists to see if they are being watched. If a terrorist wants to see if he is under suspicion, all he (or she) needs to do is try to buy a gun from a FFL. If it comes back denied, then the terrorist is forewarned and will go underground. That is not good counter-terrorism policy.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bill Frady and Shayna Lopez Rivas for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 357 – Terrorism in San Bernardino

 

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1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment 1:

3- News Segment 2

4- Interview Segment 1: Guest Psychiatrist Robert Young from doctors for responsible gun ownership

5- Interview Segment 2: Guest Radley Balko

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast  sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday December 6th 2015, I’m Rob Morse.

John: I’m John Richardson and we talk with Psychiatrist Doctor Robert Young about violence and the mentally ill, and Radley Balko from the Washington Post talking about the militarization of police.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll bring you an undercover recording where New Jersey law  enforcement tells a woman “you’re too small to have a gun.”  Can you say “infringed”!

Garyl: I’m Gary Daugherty, and we have news about the recent terrorism in San Bernardino, California.  That and our regular stories of defensive gun use .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Rob:  episode 357 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

John – It was a typical week for me. I taught, I worked, I went to a craft show with Barb. Interestingly, I’m seeing a handful of craft vendors using cartridge brass to make jewelry and other craft items. I think that’s cool and it is showing the growth and acceptance of the gun culture especially amongst women.

 

Rob- Don’t wear that in New Jersey or Washington, D.C.!

Rachel-

On a gun-related note, I participated in a webinar sponsored by the NSSF. It was meant to educate exhibitors at the SHOT Show on blog posts, photography, podcasting, and interviews. Nonetheless, I found some good stuff on there for media types like me.

Rob-

Rachel- Austin Rifle Club range work – this week was .22 at 100 yards

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

http://www.firearmsafetyinstitute.com/

 

Rob- Joined the Armed Citizen Legal Defense Network.  Carried all week. Some dry practice.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

2- News 1

 

1-Rachel- San Bernardino Terrorism

Make no mistake, it was not climate change, not a random attack, not workplace violence.  This was not simply a mass shooting. San Bernardino Was. An. Act. Of. War.  And President Obama is aggressively trying to to disarm the American People in the face of this very personal new way of war .

 

Fourteen people died and a dozen more were injured when a radicalized Islamist and his Jihadist bride invaded a Holiday party of San Bernardino County employees. They carried illegally modified AR-15s, pistols and improvised explosives. They broached  the government building’s gun-free zone, making it a hunting preserve for the violent. None of California’s hundreds of gun-control laws made one bit of difference. The terrorists were able to escaped their carnage well before the police responded. Unaccounted hours later, they died in a hail of police bullets.

 

The bleeding hadn’t stopped before Hillary Clinton beclowned herself on Twitter demanding stricter gun control. Obama lagged by only minutes when he used CBS to further divide a shattered nation and push the blatantly unConstitutional “No Fly – No Buy” anti-gun bill. The following day he ignored the obvious Islamist connections to focus on the guns. He Ignored the organization that is spreading across the Middle East like a cancer, swallowing land, people, oil and wealth. It is almost certain that ISIS reached across the oceans to put two people on their murderous path – with that reach, it can easily put any weapons or explosives in other hands if required. Yet the administration is preparing a host of gun-control executive actions to further limit American’s gun rights. Obama has scheduled time Sunday evening to discuss the terror threat. Afterwards, law-abiding gun owners will likely have no doubt just who Obama considers the real threat.  

 

The deaths and injuries in San Bernardino make us sick, not only for the loss of innocent life, but the realization that this is part of a coming wave of Jihadi terrorism in the United States. As has been said before, one of the best ways to combat this decentralized terror war is to decentralize the response – and a well-armed populace does that best. We need the Second Amendment now, more than ever. To keep it, our lives and our freedom, we will fight anyone necessary; even you, Mr Obama.       

 

John: The New York Times, often a mouthpiece for this administration, filled their broadsheet with an extraordinarily rare above the fold front page editiorial demanding gun confiscation, “for the good of their fellow citizens.”   

 

Rob- This murder took place in California, the geo-political home of the “Don’t worry, we’ll take care of you” big government.  This was a shooting in a government building, so in a gun free zone.  On the campus of a school for the disabled.. another gun free zone.  The murderers bought their weapons legally.. well, except for the dozen bombs they made.  The cosmetic modifications that made their guns illegal in California took only seconds to install.  That tells us that gun control laws don’t stop, or even delay, armed criminals or terrorists.

 

The muslim murderers used pipe bombs.  Are we going to have a background check and waiting period for plumbing supplies?

 

As immigrants, two of the murderers were vetted by the immigration service and cleared to enter the United States.  Government security checks are a joke.

 

Gary comment- The president said global warming shot up the Christmas party.  You mean he was wrong?

 

Rachel- we agree. But what will we do?

John – Democrats and other progressives in the media were extremely disdainful of the prayers that were being sent by Republican politicians. The prayers that had been requested by the survivors.

Rob-

 

2- John- POLITICAL RESPONSES TO THE SAN BERNARDINO ATTACK

There has been widespread criticism of President Obama’s response.

-Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan said California’s strict gun-control laws failed to prevent the San Bernardino mass shooting.   Quote “California has the toughest laws in the country. We probably have the second toughest (here in Maryland). It hasn’t stopped violent crime. We have more than 315 murders here in Baltimore City this year.” close quote.

-Two New York Sheriffs made public statements for licensed owners to carry concealed.

-Detroit police Chief James Craig said violent extremists were reluctant to target Detroit, as they had Paris last month, for fear armed citizens would shoot back.

“A lot of Detroiters have CPLs (concealed pistol licenses), and the same rules apply to terrorists as they do to some gun-toting thug,” Chief James Craig said. “If you’re a terrorist, or a carjacker, you want unarmed citizens.”

-Oakland University criminal justice professor Daniel Kennedy agreed that terrorists would be reluctant to attack armed citizens.  “We don’t have laboratories where we can test these theories, but there is something to the argument that terrorists want a high body count — and if they can only shoot a few people before they’re taken out themselves, it wouldn’t have the kind of impact they want.

-Ex-New York City police officer and terrorism expert Beau Dietl said he’s armed and ready to face any threat — and encouraged more citizens to do the same. “I’ve got a Glock on my hip.  If everyone was prepared to get involved, maybe we’d have fewer casualties. Even domestic terrorists hit places where they don’t think they’ll get much resistance, like movie theaters.  I think the answer is, whoever is able to carry a gun legally, it would help.”

-University President Jerry Falwell, Jr. said students should carry concealed while on campus.  It just blows my mind when I see that the president of the United States [saying] that the answer to circumstances like that is more gun control.  We have a certification class.  Take it.  Falwell believes if more “good people” had legally carried guns where terrorist attacks have happened, it could have “ended those Muslims before they walked in.”  The university’s four-hour permit class is offered by the campus police department.

-Congressman Louie Gohmert of Texas said the Obama administration has let loose criminals and massive numbers of violent terrorists in the U.S. so that the president can eventually tell people to “give up your Second Amendment rights because I let all these terrorists in.”  Close quote

-Even Time Magazine gave gun owners reasonable coverage“Assault weapons are not more powerful, they do not shoot more bullets, and they do not shoot faster. We would not be a safer society if we could eliminate all of the assault weapons because people could substitute for them non-assault weapons that are exactly the same.”

 

Rob- That is a wide range of commentators.

John – I think a lot of people are commenting with their pocket books. They are buying guns and getting CCW licenses or permits. I saw a picture of lines in seattle of people applying for their carry permits

 

Rob- black friday?

 

3- Gary- Measure to Turn the No-Fly List Into a No-Buy List Defeated in Senate.

Capitalizing on the fears surrounding the day-old San Bernardino terror tragedy, US Senate Democrats tried to pass the “No Fly – No Buy” bill that would eliminate the right to own or buy firearms for anyone finding themselves on the secret government “Terror Watch List”.  As we’ve discussed in prior weeks, Dianne Feinstein’s measure would have eliminated 2nd and 5th Amendment rights for anyone put on the list for any reason. Along with the right to keep and bear arms, due process and judicial review would end, as the reason for inclusion in the list could not be challenged or even known.  

Any reasoned analysis shows the dangerers of this legislation. The current Terror Watch List contains roughly a million Americans, many entries are in error. The list is secret, and the whys and whos that put the names there are also secret. The government has no requirement to remove or correct the information. The list is a very blunt, malformed tool.

 

There is little in the “No Fly – No Buy” legislation to prevent government bureaucrats from placing any person or group they dislike on the list. The legislation is an unConstitutional assault on the rights of Americans – totalitarian at its very core. Civil Libertarians should be screaming – but those beholden to the Progressive Left are strangely silent. Fortunately, the much maligned NRA is once again in the forefront of defending American Rights.  

The vote was 45 to 54 with only Mark Kirk of Illinois being the only Rino voting for it.  

The bill is dead, for now. However, like a bad penny – this bad bill will return.

 

The Democrats also brought back Manchin-Toomey universal background checks. It, too, was defeated. However, the margin was closer with RINOs Mark Kirk (IL), John McCain (AZ), Susan Collins (ME), and Pat Toomey (PA) voting for it.

 

John -. I watched the vote and debate on this and the Manchin-Toomey vote. An interesting argument was made against adding the no-fly list to the NICS denied list because terrorists could find they were being followed by merely attempting to buy a gun. This argument was made by Larry Keane of NSSF. I think this is something few proponents have considered.

 

Rachel-even those who call themselves conservatives, or gun carriers, support these measures. Want govt protection to feel safer. Need to take responsibility for themselves. Freedom is not safe.

Gary –

 

Rob-  MT requires universal registration.

John – I’ve looked into the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Database. It really does have very weak criteria for inclusion.

 

4- Rob- NJ2AS record sergeant’s bigotry against gun owners.. and small people

You don’t have the right to own a gun in New Jersey.  You can ask the state for permission to buy a gun.  The state has all the time in the world to think about their answer.  If and when they answer, they can say no for any reason, or really, for no reason at all.  The New Jersey Second Amendment Association recorded a number or law enforcement officers as they described how they issue permits to purchase a firearm.  Here is one of their video recordings  where a police sergeant says a citizen is too small to own a gun.

 

(Insert Audio Clip Here)

 

New Jersey citizen Carol Bowne was murdered by a criminal stalker while she waited for a permit to buy a gun.  She waited 47 days for an answer.  Carol was murdered before the state answered her request.  Carol Bowne weighed 90 pounds.  She might have died because a New Jersey Law Enforcement Officer thought she was too small to protect herself with a firearm.  The NJ2AS will release another video tomorrow.

 

John- Did you hear the Sergeant?  He said he is never overturned.. no matter what excuse he gives for denying a permit.  The fix is in between the police and the judges.

Rachel-  The New Jersey judges say the permit denials were not an infringement because someone, somewhere, at sometime was actually granted a permit to buy a firearm after they waited long enough.  Yeah, I’d say that is an infringement.

Rob- I don’t respect this Policemen.  So are the men in blue going to police their own and straighten this out so citizens are treated fairly?  I doubt it.  I hate bigots.

John – Remember that old quote – God made men, Samuel Colt made them equal.

 

5- Rachael- The Democrats KNEW they were lying about guns

Second Amendment advocate David Hardy recently went digging in the Clinton Library archives.  He came up with this money quote.  It was sent from President Jimmy Carter’s press secretary Jody Powell to the press secretary of the Clinton Administration, George Stephanopoulos.

 

Quote- ““Much as I hate to say it, the NRA is effective primarily because it is largely right when it claims that most gun control measures inconvenience and threaten the law-abiding while having little or no impact on violent crime and criminals.  I support registration in principle. But two questions need to be asked. Are the people causing the problem going to comply voluntarily? If not, do you have a way to effectively enforce compliance?”  Close quote.

 

The cover sheet shows a handwritten note.  George Stephanopoulos commented in a handwritten note as he sent the memo on to President Clinton.  Quote “This makes a lot of sense.”

 

They knew the truth about the failure of gun control for the last 20+ years.

 

Rob- The Clinton’s lost all credibility with me.

Rachel-

 

6- John- Where do thugs and terrorists get guns?

The main stream media says that honest gun owners like you and me are giving guns to criminals.  It ain’t so.  Witness the break-in at the Lincoln Stoddard Army Reserve Center in Worcester, Massachusetts.  The breakin was well-planned and bold.  A single thief broke into the alarmed building through the roof. Once inside, he cut a hole in the top of the weapons vault.  The vault was made from steel reinforced concrete.  The thief breached the vault using power tools.

 

Security video showed a man making several trips from the armory to his car.  He took at least six M-4 rifles and 10 handguns.  He left behind traces of blood.

 

Law enforcement matched the blood to 34-year-old James Morales, who is out on bail from New York State.  Morales was charged with child rape and indecent assault on a child under 14 years old.  Later investigations confirmed Mister Morales’s electronic monitoring bracelet at the scene of the firearms theft.  Morales was arrested.  He’d been at the armory recently to receive his discharge papers from the national guard.  Some of the weapons were recovered in New York City.

 

Comment ??-  You can certainly get illegal guns into the US if you can move billions of dollars of drugs and millions of dollars across the border.

 

comment-?? We’re told that civilians are the source of guns in crime, but the average time from when a gun is legally sold to a private citizen until the time the gun is used in a crime is over 12 years.

 

BREAK

 

7- Gary- NY Assemblyman Silver convicted.. is Cuomo next?

The new York SAFE act turned New York firearms owners into criminals.  Three men forced it through in the middle of the night.  Of the three, one has been convicted in court, one is on trial, and the last one, Andrew Cuomo, still sits in the New York governor’s mansion.

 

Former New York Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver was convicted of a 5 million dollar public-corruption case.  Silver’s conviction automatically removed him from office and barred him from ever holding a state position again.  Silver was found guilty of honest-services fraud, extortion and money-laundering.  He traded political favors and then lied about it.  He will probably spend the rest of his life in prison.

 

The jury is still out on New York Senate Leader Dean Skelos.  Skelos is charged with influence-peddling along with his son.

 

The federal prosecutor says Cuomo is next.  I wonder how much a New York anti-gun billionaire paid to have the New York Safe act pass in the middle of the night?

 

Rob- Silver got contracts steered to friends and took a cut.  He got property rezoned.

John- One down, two to go.

 

8- Rob- Mainstream Lies at 11 o’clock

Pity the mainstream news media.  They lose their jobs if we simply ignore them.  The BBC and Mother Jones said there were more than one mass public shooting a day in the United States.  They lied, but it is important to understand how and why.

 

It starts with FBI statistics.  The rate of mass murder has been fairly constant for years.  Under order of President Obama, the FBI redefined mass murder.  The old definition used to be four victims killed with a gun in a public place.  The Obama administration changed the number to two people in 2012.  Some archives also dropped the requirement for the homicide to be in a public place.  Some counted the murderer as one of the victims.  Those changes are important.

 

The new definition reclassified and confuses every domestic murder-suicide done in private with a mass public shooting done in a school or at a mall.  The new definition produced the expected, and the politically desired,  jump in “public shooting statistics”.

 

That still wasn’t enough.   Some of the unofficial data now comes from online news agencies instead of the FBI.  Rather than only counting the victims who were killed according to police reports, these source let Google do the work to add up the reported number of injured.  That is probably the data Mother Jones and the BBC used to inflate their news reports.   What used to be described as a Friday Night gangland drive-by in Chicago, is now a “mass public shooting”.  The news media doesn’t tell you that most of their “mass public shootings” were not murders at all.  

 

The commercial press tells their viewers what they want to believe in the simplest possible terms.  “Guns”..  “NRA”.. and “America”.. are familiar icons around the world.  The announcer describes the news as if he’s reading from child’s picture book.

 

Why lie like that?  The fact is, the United States is boring.  TV viewers would have changed the channel if the reporter told the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

 

Rachel- Like Dr. Lott says, we have to have good statistics…and then we have to use them correctly.

John – Interestingly enough, the national editor of Mother Jones had an op-ed in the NY Times saying the Times had overestimated the number of mass shootings.

Rachel- Hey, this is good news.  If the reporters told the truth all the time we wouldn’t have a polite society podcast.

Gary-

Rob-

 

9- Rachel- Black lives don’t matter if blacks pulled the trigger in democrat towns

We had three people shot at from a Planned Parenthood office in Colorado.  The media didn’t tell you that none of the patients or staff were shot.  The murderer shot from the Planned Parenthood building and shot people in parking lots up to 350 yard away.  That isn’t the story the media wants to tell.  The story was used for political purposes instead.

 

Black on black crime doesn’t make the news despite the shocking toll of dead and injured.  Right after the planned parenthood shooting, several men shot at a park full of 300 people in a gang retaliation shooting.  17 were injured.  All the gang members were black.  Five were arrested.  Most had prior records for drugs.  Bail was set at 1.7 million dollars.  That happened in New Orleans.

Chicago has similar shootings every weekend.  We don’t know why the media is silent about those shootings.  Were they silent because the victims are black, or because the politicians are democrats?

Our condolences to the citizens who must live there and the injured.

 

John – More people were injured at Sally’s Beauty Supply. Why not call

 

10- John- Doctors urged to treat gun ownership as a disease

Judith Katzburg spoke at the American Public Health Association’s annual meeting.  She spoke during a panel titled, “The Tipping Point: Activating a Public Health Movement to Address Gun Violence.”  She urged doctors to “push the agenda” securing gun control.  Quote, “We are hoping to forge a national coalition of partners to push the agenda of a public health approach to gun violence prevention forward.”  Katzburg works for Veterans Affairs in their VA Greater LA Healthcare System. Gun control proponents want to control a federal agency and implement new gun regulations unilaterally.  They can act outside the law and without the hindrances of Congress, much as environmentalists have exercised control through the EPA.

 

Rob- Your tax dollars at work. And the VA leaves vets to die.

John – Think how many vets have been added to the NICS denied list by the VA.

 

11- Gary- Pew Research – Gun Homicide Down 49%

You’d never know it listening the mainstream media or our president, but gun homicides are down 49% from their 1993 peak according to a study from the Pew Research Center.  Most Americans are unaware that gun crime is lower today than it was two decades ago, and the vast majority think it is significantly higher.  

The government statistics used by Pew don’t lie. Gun crime is decreasing even while American are buying more guns. These facts destroy the anti-gunners firmly held beliefs that guns cause crime. These inconvenient truths are probably why the media and politicians don’t want to publicize these facts. We strongly recommend that you take the time to read the pew Center’s excellent report. It’s fascinating reading. You’ll find all sorts of interesting facts the elites don’t want you to know. We’ve included a link in the show notes.

 

Rob- Is violence a required part of the news..and sold to the viewers.

John –

 

Rachel- Gun Quote–  This week’s gun quote came from journalist and second amendment commentator Bob Owens.  Bob tweeted “Seriously. Conservatives own 200+ million guns and 12 trillion rounds of ammo. If we were violent, you’d know it.”

 

Rachel- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with Doctor Robert Young and Radley Balko.

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4- Interview 1

Psychiatrist Robert Young from doctors for responsible gun ownership- drgo.us

Are the mentally ill violent?

Who are they violent towards?

Are the mentally ill less violent when they are treated?

Are the mentally ill less violent when they are medicated?

What should we do if a friend or family member is having problems?

 

5- Interview 2

Radley Balko

 

6- DGUs

 

John 1- Friday Night Death

A Friday night’s adventure resulted in murder charges for two home invaders. and a ride to the morgue for the third.  The three men decided to break down a Houston area homeowner’s door. The residents heard the noise, scattered and hid. When the criminals entered the bedroom,

the homeowner fired once through the closet door.

Arriving deputies found a blood trail, but were not able to find the suspect on scene or in any nearby hospitals.  When police stopped a car 6 miles from the burglary, they found the intruder dead in the backseat. His confederates tried to run, but were caught after a chase. The two will face murder charges for the death of the third, which occurred during the commission of a felony.  


Gary 2- Bringing a Knife to a Gunfight
A man talked his way into the hotel room of a Army soldier – and into an armed  burglary rap. The robber posed as a hotel maintenance worker checking the plumbing. He was convincing enough that the soldier allowed him into the room – where the criminal pulled a knife. The off-duty soldier pulled a gun right back and ordered the hapless thief to the ground.  Officers arrived and arrested the 43-year-old suspect on suspicion of burglary and related charges. No shots were fired.

Comment: Don’t let anybody you don’t know or haven’t verified into your personal space. Just say Hell No! And have a weapon on you. You never know when.

Rachel-off-duty soldiers apparently are better off and safer carrying

 

Rob

 

Rob- 3- Four against three – and a gun
Early in the Ohio morning, four men kicked in the front door of a Ravenna home. They rushed the two men and a woman occupying the home. However, one of the occupants had a gun, and used it to defend the trio. Two invaders  were shot and all beat a hasty retreat.  The two wounded thugs didn’t make it far before being arrested with non-life-threatening wounds. Their two confederates remains at large.

 

Rachel

Rob- know the distance and the time it takes to hit a target.

 

Rachel 4- Climbing to Their Death
Two athletic burglars climbed up a balcony and into the afterlife. The balcony lead to a Georgian apartment, which contained two residents and a gun. One suspect was found dead in the apartment, another man expired in the field behind the apartment house.

The situation is evolving and uncertain as the 911 tape has one of the roommates saying “I think that’s why I shot that guy. They were running out the door and I pulled the trigger.” Neighbors believe the roommates had been robbed the prior weekend, perhaps by the same men. Police have not released the names of the two dead and are questioning the two men who live in the apartment.

 

John 5- Detroit Area Crime Spree Ends
A wounded Concealed Pistol License holder, a security guard and the police teamed up to stop a long running crime spree in the Detroit area’s ethnic food trucks and bars.

 

The owner of the Happy Bar argued with an armed masked robber and was shot in the leg for his resistance. The owner then pulled his CPL weapon and shot the robber multiple times. The ventilated robber’s confederates grabbed him and eventually dumped him at a nearby hospital’s emergency room. Before they got away from the hospital, a security guard noted the car license plate. Police arrested the wounded robber and tracked the car to a residence where another was apprehended. The third is still on the loose.  

The thieves are suspected in a long string of food truck and bar robberies.

A bar employee also carries, claiming that desperate times calls for desperate measures. “This is Detroit, we live in Detroit,” she said. Sporting a wounded leg, the bar owner is back at work. This is Detroit, indeed.

 

Rob

 

Gary- 6 wrong apartment

A woman living in Stone Mountain Georgia was followed as she entered an apartment complex.  A man forced his way into the apartment and assaulted the woman.  That is when a man who lives in the apartment appeared with his gun.  He shot the assailant.  They then called police and remained in the apartment.  The intruder was pronounced dead at the scene.  No charges were filed against the victims.

Our web search showed several assaults at this apartment complex, but we suspect the assailant knew the victim.

 

Rachel- You will have seconds to respond if someone breaks down your door. How long would it take you to get your gun right now?

Rob- comment- Rachel, you’ve asked that before and you convinced me to carry at home.  I was talking with a trainer about this situation.  You can’t stand back and press the trigger.  You have to grab onto the assailant and hold on to put metal on meat.

 

John- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Rob- I apologize to our listeners.  A few emails slipped through the cracks while we were off a couple of weeks ago.

 

Rob-  The first one begins- Gentlemen,

 

[If you post this or use it on the podcast, please remove my last name. Thanks!]

 

In case you weren’t aware, POTUS signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2016 yesterday, including a provision for SECDEF to establish a process for commanders to allow carrying of firearms on a military installation if deemed necessary for personal- or force-protection reasons. It remains to be seen how local policies will change, since SECDEF and installation commanders have a lot of latitude in the way they implement this policy.

 

Assuming local commanders allow it (yes, a big assumption), the policy will most likely require compliance with local laws. There are many states, unfortunately, where military members still cannot obtain a carry license in their host state due to restrictive “may issue” policies or discrimination against nonresidents. My current state of Illinois is a prime example. This leaves the federal military installation’s security at the mercy of its host state, and its members unable to carry either on or off the installation. Yikes!

 

I’ve written more here if you wish to read it: http://morsel.info/?p=517

 

Happy Thanksgiving,

Kevin

John comment- In the defense department funding bill-

EPA can’t regulate lead bullets

surplus arms go to Civilian Marksmanship Program

carry on military base up to base commanders

Gary –

John –

 

Rachel- Jeff sent in this short one

 

I really appreciate your mention of the four rules of gun handling which precede each broadcast. Thank you

Jeff

 

Rachel: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about insane murderers and insane politicians.  Muslim Terrorists killed over 500 people in France this year, and yesterday, President Obama said the United States is the only country where we have public violence like a gunman shooting three people near a Planned Parenthood office.  The Democrat solution is to disarm you.. and call the terrorism “workplace violence”.  That article is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

If you or I were to use a company credit card to get a cash advance so as to gamble at a casino on company time, we’d be fired. However, if you are a BATFE Special Agent who did this, you get promoted to Special Agent in Charge of a Field Division as well as being made a member of the Senior Executive Service. The Dept of Justice Office of Inspector General’s report does not name which one of the 25 SAC’s is the culprit. It says something about the culture of a law enforcement organization when something like this is glossed over.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Rob- I wonder what that employee knows that makes them so “valuable”

 

Gary- We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Doctor Robert Young and Radley Balko for joining us today.  Paul should be back next week.  I’ll be there, John?  Rachel?  Gary?  I’m looking forward to it.  – Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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