Episode 302 – SHOT Show Pre-Show

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Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, January 18th, 2015. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob- I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we’ll talk about shooting a police chief.. three times, and not being charged with a crime.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a Pennsylvania lawmaker who wants to outlaw appleseed targets.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also have not one, not two, but three stories of defensive gun use from the gun-free paradise of New Jersey.. so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul:  Episode 302 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Paul – Stories of traveling to SHOT Show. Trucking issues caused me to get home a day late Covered a TON of ground on Friday and Saturday. Doing the arming and disarming dance. Reiterating PLEASE if you have a pro-gun or NRA advertisement on your car drive POLITELY!

John – I flew out this morning for Las Vegas and the SHOT Show. I’m not great at getting up at 5:30 in the morning but one does what one must. I’m excited to be out here in Las Vegas and am really looking forward to it. The last SHOT Show I attended was in Dallas in 1996 when it was a third its size.

Rob- chores before SHOT show.  Dave Workman posted an article about demonstrating for political change while wearing a rifle on your back.  I commented that the protesters let the media portray them as irresponsible.  The uninformed voter now thinks gun owners should not be trusted.  Sure enough, a guy answered that he didn’t care what anyone thought, he could protest and lobby the legislature carrying a rifle because that was his right.  With friends like him, it won’t be a right for long.  I read today that the Washington Senate banned open carry guns in public chambers.  Good going, guys.  Please go help Bloomberg, but stay away from the right of self-defense.

A little closer to home, I finally got a call from my county board of supervisor’s office.  We had a rapist who was recently caught after being arrested for three earlier rapes.  I called the District Attorney’s office to find out why he was out on the street.  The DA’s office didn’t call me back.  Then I called the public affairs officer at the DA’s office to ask why I didn’t get a call back.  Then I called the county board of supervisors and spoke to my supervisor’s office.  They finally called me back.  We’ll see what they tell me after they contact the District Attorney.

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Seg 2- News

1- Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation said they had no plans to file charges after the Sentinel police chief was shot three times.  The chief was conducting a raid with two other officers on a location they thought sent in a bomb threat against a Head Start office. The officers conducted a no-knock raid on the home, and the homeowner shot at police.  Once he recognized law enforcement, the homeowner surrendered.  The chief was shot three times in the chest and wounded once in the arm.  Fortunately, Chief Louis Ross was wearing a ballistic vest and is recovering from his wounded arm.

Rob- The chief AND the homeowner are lucky to be alive.

2- A Pennsylvania “lawmaker” has once more demonstrated why “political progressives” should never be trusted with elected office.  Representative Thaddeus Kirkland plans on introducing a bill that “prohibits the use of human silhouette targets at shooting ranges across the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.”  Naturally, he plans to include an exception for police officers. Whether he intends to also mandate targets they use be accompanied with the words “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot!” is left unstated.

3- The European Jewish Association represents Jewish communities across Europe.  They said jews are afraid to shop at kosher markets and attend synagogue due to violent attacks.  Quote “The Paris attacks, as well as the many challenges and threats which have been presented to the European Jewish community in recent years, have revealed the urgent need to stop talking and start acting.  We hereby ask that gun licensing laws are reviewed with immediate effect to allow designated people in the Jewish communities and institutions to own weapons for the essential protection of their communities, as well as receiving the necessary training to protect their members from potential terror attacks.”  They don’t see it as an individual right, but it is a start.

4- Toy weapons will be banned at the 2015 Central Pennsylvania Festival of the Arts.  Executive Director Rick Bryant said the board of directors voted unanimously in November to ban children from making and selling toy weapons and historic facsimiles like rubber-band guns, pop guns, swords, Nerf weapons, light sabers and any items that launch projectiles.  In the past, children have made and sold such things as bows and arrows and shields, but those items, too, will be banned this year.  Quote “We live in especially violent times.  Banning the sale of weapons at the Children and Youth Sidewalk Sale might not be a giant step in making our society less violent, but it’s a step that we can take.”

Rob- Slingshots and slings?  Is the Central Pennsylvania Festival of the Arts sponsored with ANY public money?

5- The Center for Disease Control used to be a respected government agency.  Like all government activities, it has become more political over time.  The CDCs credibility took a hit after it provided poor advice during the Ebola outbreak.  Doctors for gun ownership cites several other actions by the CDC that display the agencies anti-gun bias.  This is why Congress took away the CDC’s gun research funding.

  1. In 1995 the CDC funded a newsletter put out by the Trauma Foundation, a San Francisco gun control lobby. The newsletter called for readers to “organize a picket at gun manufacturing sites” and to “work for campaign finance reform to weaken the gun lobby’s political clout.” This was a blatant abuse of taxpayer money.
  2. In 1989 top CDC official Dr. P. W. O’Carroll said, on record, “We’re going to systematically build a case that owning firearms causes deaths. We’re doing the most we can do, given the political realities.” Scientific research should be dedicated to learning the truth, not pushing a political agenda.
  3. In a Winter 1993 publication Public Health Policy for Preventing Violence, CDC officials recommend two strategies for preventing firearm injuries: allowing only police, guards, and the military to have guns, or the outright prohibition of gun ownership.
  4. In a 1994 Washington Post article, CDC official Dr. Mark Rosenberg was quoted as wanting his agency to create a public perception of firearms as “dirty, deadly – and banned.”

6- Bloomberg’s front group asked Kroger supermarkets to ban guns.  That is cold comfort to the customers robbed at gunpoint in a Kroger parking lot in Norcross, Georgia.  An armed robber pointed a handgun at the head of a Kroger customer and demanded his valuables.  The thief took the victim’s phone, wallet and cash. The suspect also shot at the victim, but missed.  A shell casing was recovered in the Kroger parking lot.  Investigators are looking for two or three suspects, including at least one man and one woman. Witnesses said the suspects are all black and in their 20’s.

Near Atlanta, Georgia, a man was carjacked in a Kroger parking lot.  Two armed men approached the driver as he returned to his car.  They demanded his keys, and the victim complied.  The victim was shot several times as he began walking back toward the entrance of the store.  He was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital in stable condition.  Police arrested and charged a 17 year old and 20 year with the crime.  Both men had a police record.

Rob- Criminals not obeying another gun free zone?

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7- Michigan Governor Rick Snyder rejected a pair of pro-gun bills that would have done away with Michigan’s unique system of county gun boards.  In rejecting the bills, the Governor echoed concerns voiced by gun control groups over domestic violence issues. Two measures, Senate Bills 789 and 790, enacted in together would have mandated an end to the review board process. The boards function would have been replaced by county clerks.  They would issue concealed carry licenses long as the applicant met all requirements and passes a background check from the State Police.

John- This is revenge by the governor who did not get the legislation HE wanted passed this session.  Michigan listeners need to call the Governor and explain his mistake.

8- The Sandy Hook Commission set up by Governor Malloy has spent two years trying to come up with a plan to prevent another mass murder. Two Years!! Here’s the plan:

Specifically, it would prohibit both the sale and possession of any firearm capable of holding 10 rounds of more without the provision to grandfather guns that are currently registered under Connecticut’s already strict Assault Weapons Ban. This would effect a de facto ban on many guns that escaped registration after owners changed cosmetic features of their firearms. Law enforcement and military would be exempt from this ban.

0-Gary– Two years and you say you consulted experts!?! I call BS, if you talk to any expert they will tell you the bad guy stops killing when a good guy(girl) shows up with a gun. Get your head out of the sand, you can’t make laws in in your fantasies. Killing is illegal! Does any logical thinking human being think that making killing with a gun that holds more than 10 bullets more illegal will stop anybody? Of course not! Ok, let’s talk about reloading. They say people will be able to escape the killer while they are reloading. WHY! are you letting them get to the reload? As soon as bad things start happening have everything in place to try to stop it. NOW! Speaking of trying to stop it why are you going to hinder the person that is willing to train and put themselves on the line to protect children and others. You are going to force them to reload every 10 rounds?? If we are talking fantasy wouldn’t you want someone that is defending the lives of children to have a magic TV gun that never runs out of bullets? Come on Sandy Hook Advisory Commission(not one firearms expert), your report is due in three weeks, get together with real experts and come up with real solutions. I’ll give you a list to get you started; Massad Ayoob, Kathy Jackson and John Lott Jr. These people have spent their lives looking for answers.

Rob- These measures would not have stopped the murderer who beat, stabbed, shot and ran over students at UC Santa Barbara.  I’m calling them lying politicians.

9- U.S. Representative Morgan Griffith introduced a bill.  House Resolution 131 addresses the interstate transportation of firearms and ammunition for law-abiding gun owners.  It revises the Firearms Owners Protection Act that was passed 25 years ago. Specifically, 131 states that transportation of both firearms and ammunition is federally protected, as well as expand the protections afforded to travelers to include staying in temporary lodging overnight, stopping for food, fuel, vehicle maintenance, an emergency, medical treatment, and any other activity incidental to the trip. Additionally, the bill would place the burden of proof clearly on the state to show that the traveler failed to comply with the law.

Rob comment- I supported the bill in Popvox and sent a letter to my representative Darrell Issa.  I asked him to support and amend the bill.  I’d like law enforcement officers and judges to be personally liable for breaking the federal law.  I’d also like the law to cover airline travelers.

10- Do you think people would continue to get driver’s licenses if the license required a 10 day course?  What about 10 weeks?  Requiring a course is a way to tax the activity and to get less of it.  The same is true of gun owners.  Here is some recent proof.  The number of concealed carry permits issued last year in El Paso County, Texas doubled.  Why would that be?  Texas reduced the number of hours required to receive a Concealed Handgun Licenses.  The requirement fell from 10 hours to 6 hours plus range time.

We should expect the same result in Ohio which recently reduced the amount of training it requires.

Rob- That brings up an interesting comment.  You could argue for balancing test.  More concealed carry holders make mistakes with their firearms.  More concealed carry holders will also defend themselves and protect their families.  Which would we see in the news?

You could also argue that a balancing test is unfair and inappropriate.  You do not balance a civil right versus the convenience of the government.

11- Here is some homework for our listeners in Wyoming.  State representative Allen introduced the Wyoming Repeal Gun Free Zones Act. His bill, House Bill 114, would allow legal gun owners who could carry in public, to carry in public buildings building such as government offices, schools, universities and colleges across the state.   The proposed legislation would not apply to courthouses and would continue to allow private property owners to restrict concealed carry on their grounds.  That means churches and private schools could post their property as off limits to concealed carry holders.  Similar legislation was passed by the Wyoming House of Representatives in 2014. The bill failed in a Senate committee.
House leadership has yet to assign HB114 to a committee.
Wyoming gun owners, call your legislator!

12- Arizona has some bills in the works that our listeners should support.  House bill 2320 allows concealed carry license holders to remain armed when they enter state government and local government buildings.  The exception is if security guards and metal detectors are in place to screen every person entering for weapons.

House bill 2431 would establish an interstate “compact” that restricts member states from enacting firearms transfer requirements different than existing federal law.  Compacts between states supersede individual state law.  An example of an interstate compact is the uniform recognition of drivers’ licenses.  Assuming HB 2431 is enacted in Arizona and at least one other state becomes a party to the compact, a subsequent state law, or even a ballot measure, cannot override it.
Arizona gun owners, call your legislator!

Gun Quotes- “Peace is neither won nor maintained by the unarmed.”  Author L. Neil Smith.
We’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.
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Segment 4 DGUs
1- We have several stories of defensive gun use from New Jersey this week.  Our first is from Newark.  46 year old Mark Robinson walked into the Newark deli late in the evening and pointed a gun at the owner.  The deli owner quickly drew his own handgun and shot Robinson. Robinson fell to the floor and his two accomplices ran out of the store.  Robinson was taken to University Hospital and pronounced as dead.  The deli owner ran the same store for over a decade.  He had been robbed before.

Robinson’s gun was recovered at the scene.  Robinson had a criminal record that included arrests for drugs, weapons and resisting arrest.  Chief of detectives for the Essex County Prosecutor’s Office they were still investigating whether anyone else was involved with the robbery.  Police did not expect to charge the deli owner.

2- Also in Newark, two men rushed into a variety store and ordered the customers down onto the floor. The robbers threatening to shoot the customers if the owner did not give them the money from the till.  One robber held an AK-47 and fired a shot.  The female store owner grabbed the handgun she keeps behind the counter and fired at the gunman.  She hit him in the leg.  23-year-old Durell Hearn limped from the store.  His partner in crime drove him to the hospital.  Hearn and fifty year old Arthur Price were arrested at University Hospital.  They are charged with robbery, possession of a weapon for an unlawful purpose, unlawful possession of a weapon and conspiracy.  Police did not expect to charge the variety store owner.

3- A New Jersey homeowner in Cape May heard someone trying to break into his home.  The homeowner called police.  Before police could arrive, the robber broke through a glass door and entered the home.  The homeowner shot the intruder. 21 year old James Weaver was taken to AtlantiCare Regional Medical Center where he died.  The homeowner was transported to Cape Regional Medical Center where he was treated and released.  Police did not expect to charge the homeowner.

4- A citizen flagged down a policeman patrolling the north end of Hartford, Connecticut.  They said two men tried to rob a couple in a nearby building.  The robbers were armed with a rifle.  The female robbery victim took a handgun from her purse and shot one of the robbers in the arm.  At the same time police were being flagged down, one of the robbers showed up at St. Francis Hospital and Medical Center asking to be treated for a gunshot wound to his arm.  The news article doesn’t say if the suspect was arrested at the hospital and charged with a crime.  The robbery victim had her pistol permit.  The rifle turned out to be a BB gun.

5- Sometimes you just can’t wait for the police to arrive.   Ephrata, Pennsylvania police had received calls that two men were entering cars in the area.  The call came in at 2:30 AM.  A few minutes later, a woman saw someone trying to break into her car.  She walked up, drew her firearm and held the thief at gunpoint.  Police arrested 22 year old Robert LaFleur of Denver township.  The police had to Taser LaFleur to take him into custody.  The police then went to La Fleur’s car and attested 21 year old Colton Lynch.  The car contained items stolen from nearby vehicles.  The car itself was stolen from a nearby town.  Police charged LaFleur and Lynch with receiving stolen property and loitering and prowling at night.

6- Four armed men wearing masks drove up to a store in a Toyota Sequoia.  They poured into Ryan’s Convenience Store in Tulsa, Oklahoma.  The thieves knew the routine and demanded money.  This had worked for them in other robberies.  Not this time.  The store clerk was armed this time.  He shot two of the thieves and the other two fled on foot. 27 year old Brian Powell died at the scene.  He was on probation after a conviction for larceny. 16 year old Kevin Dobbs was taken by ambulance to Saint John Medical Center where he died.  Police arrested 20 year-old Lakeit Thompson. Thompson was held on six counts of robbery with a firearm, as well as two counts of attempted robbery, two counts of felony murder and a number of traffic complaints.  Thompson has been connected by police to eight separate robberies since Dec. 7th.  The circumstances behind each robbery were the same — multiple suspects armed with weapons quickly entered a store and left with money.

Police arrested 17-year-old George Williamson.  He was jailed on two counts of second-degree murder, one count of attempted robbery and two counts of armed robbery.  Williamson was connected to three other robberies.  The Toyota Sequoia was abandoned in the parking lot after the shootings.

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Listener e-mail discussion
This is an e-mail from Nate.  He says-

I’m a relatively new listener, and I want to thank y’all for your efforts. Your show is a delight to listen to and you’re serving a valuable and important mission.  I listened recently as you reported that a veteran in NY had his firearms confiscated due to being reported as suffering from insomnia depression.

Here’s my question:

While he (or others) suffer these unjust removals of our right to self-defense and right to bear arms, would it be legal for his spouse to purchase a firearm and have it in the home? At least, if they’re trained, one member of the household would then be able to defend the home if needed, right?

And in that scenario, what would be the legal consequences if during a genuine home invasion he grabbed his wife’s firearm and shot a person in self-defense?

Thanks for your insights.
Nate.

No guns in the home.
Our second listener e-mail is from Ken in Arizona

Hi, Paul. I see your comment about the podcasts taking forever to get out. How about cutting back to once a week? Most of the ones I download, especially the lengthy ones (an hour or more), like PSP, come out only once a week. Some are once a month! Better to have your great show less frequently than potentially lose it due to burnout. It’s one of my top 2 or 3, and I have a list of nearly 100 (I gave up TV so I have time for more important things now).
Ken
Phoenix, AZ
Free State of America
PS Just make sure you schedule it so Rachel is there. She adds so much to the Old Boys’ Club.

Ken also wrote this in
Hi, guys.
My other main interest, other than 2A, is railroads, any size, any scale.  Model Rail Radio is having their 100th show this weekend, 1/17/15, and folks are travelling to San Jose from all over the Country to Tom’s house for the recording. A piece of information surfaced this week that shocked me.
One of the travellers, a guy from Massachusetts, upon boarding the Amtrak train in San Diego for the trip to the Bay Area, was visited by “Amtrak police”, who searched his room and his bags! Can they do this? Can they do this in America? It has the feel of 1938 Germany or 1980 USSR. They said it was a random search, similar to the random searches at the airport. I must be missing something here, as this doesn’t sound anything like the America I grew up in, or the America millions have fought and died to protect, or the America land of the Free and home of the Brave they keep telling us about.

I was planning a train trip, now that I’m retired, but now, I think I’ll drive. Scary stuff!
Ken in Phoenix, AZ
Ken emailed this one this morning (and we are thinking about adding him to the listener feedback hall of fame)
In a comment section of a news story this week, (about the Charlie killings in Paris), I made the remark that I bet every one of those poor folks who were shot in that office wished they  were armed that day.

I got a reply, asking me to name just one time an armed citizen stopped a criminal or act of terror by carrying a gun. “It just doesn’t happen”, he said. “Not one documented example.” He had many “thumbs up” in agreement with him.

I referred him to the email newsletter from “Guns Save Lives”. It’s been a few days, but so far, no further reply from him, so I don’t know if he took a look or not.

His opinion would be surprising and not to be believed, if not for the fact that I would have said the same thing as he, just about 14 months ago, before I broke away from the Mainstream Media, found differing viewpoints with compelling facts to back them up, and started educating myself on the internet to what’s really happening out there.

I hope I’m not unusual in my viewing habits, and there are others waking up to reality. But it took me 6 decades and the free time that retirement can bring to do so. There’s a huge barrier to Truth, Justice, and The American Way out there, and it’s called Mainstream Media. It’s pervasive and powerful, with rich and powerful benefactors. We have a long, hard struggle ahead of us to right this ship.

Carry on.
Ken

They were saved by a good person with a gun.

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2013/10/26/saved-by-a-good-person-with-a-gun/

Jeff sent in this link and asked us to comment on it.

http://pcdcarry.com/index.html?m

Rob- This is like carrying a blue gun because you’re not comfortable with the thought of protecting your life.  I assume the site is a joke.  It should be.

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I’d like to say thank you.  Someone on Facebook linked to my article about criminals not obeying Washington State Initiative 594.  Whoever it was, they sent me 2500 views.  This week, I said that some gun owners don’t deserve the legal right to own guns.  These gun owners couldn’t be bothered to go to the polls to defend their rights, so too bad if they lose them.  The post is called “Do gun owners deserve to keep their guns?”  It is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my SlowFacts blog.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 301- Miko Tempski, Andrew Rothman and Matthew Chase

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, 14th January, 2015.  I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll interview Miko Tempski and talk about the SAF’s lawsuit against Washington Initiative 594.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Andrew Rothman about Minnesota Gun owners civil Rights alliance success at changing the Minnesota Concealed carry applications.
Rob: we also get to talk with Matthew Chase about carrying guns in synagogue.
Rachel: We also have our usual self-defense news and defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!  Episode 301 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- I went to a new range in San Diego.  Other than new paint, it isn’t anything special.  A couple of tall bar tables and chairs don’t make you a guntry club.  To their credit, they will let you shoot from concealment.  They will let you shoot quickly.  As they said, you must be in control at all times.  I agree.

Talking about control, another range in San Diego wanted me to take a 75 dollar training course.  If I passed their course, I would be allowed to present from the holster at their range.  It looks like we will shoot IDPA at that range starting in February.. and we won’t need to take their training course.

That brings up a topic I want to discuss with my co-hosts.  I agree with being uncompromising when it comes to safety.  In contrast, I condemn the attitude that says everything is dangerous.  I’ve met too many range officers who have the attitude that the only safe shooting is slow fire from a bench.. and the only relevant training is the training they have taken or the training their range provides.  I look forward for them going out of business.

Back to shooting, I got my IDPA scores from our local match.  I placed 11th out of 34.  I was second out of 5 shooters in Custom Defensive Pistol (read 1911).  This is what one of the stages was like if you’re not familiar with IDPA.

There were 5 targets for you to shoot arrayed in an arc at a distance of about 6 yard.  The string required two shots on each target.  You shot them in tactical sequence. Tactical sequence is also called boarding house rules.  That means everyone gets some before anyone gets more.  Each target had to be shot once before any target could be shot a second time.  To make it interesting, there was an extra target in front of you.. and you were not supposed to shoot it.  Each target wore a different color scarf.  After you loaded your weapon, you were told which color was your friend.  It sounds like this.

In that recording, the shooter’s time was 7.6 seconds, and he was faster than I was.  He was shooting 9mm.  My time was 9.4 seconds to shoot 10 shots.  I had to reload for the last shot.  I was also 1 point down.  That means one of my shots was outside an 8 inch circle in the center of the target.  Speed AND accuracy are important.

I also did some dry practice and ordered some magazines.  Magazines wear out.

John – I did nothing gun related. I’m still dealing with this upper respiratory garbage. I did start a short course of prednisone and a Z-pack. I want to be better for SHOT!!!

Rachel- I spent yesterday at the Capitol for opening day of the session, promoting Constitutional Carry….but we’re reporting on that in the news segment. Since we canceled Sunday’s podcast, I spent the afternoon printing the remainder of the 15,000 petitions with a group of Lone Star Gun Rights volunteers. Also, I got to speak to the Republican Freedom Coalition of Texas at their monthly luncheon today. I spoke on truth and injustice…the truth about gun rights that binds us together in the gun rights movement, and the injustice that spurs us to action.

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Seg 2- News

00- The 84th Legislature in Texas convened on Tuesday. Around 100 gun rights activists gathered in support of Constitutional Carry. Volunteers with Lone Star Gun Rights delivered 15,000 petitions in support of HB 195, the Constitutional Carry bill. They visited each office of the 150 representatives and 31 senators, giving each office a stack of petitions signed by their own constituents. For many of the volunteers, this was their first expedition inside the Capitol. It was the beginning of a new season of gun rights in Texas, as activists transition from open carry walks into legislative action. Activists are proud to have a strong champion in Rep. Jonathan Stickland, the author of HB 195. Stickland gave a rousing speech to the activists, thanking them for their help and pledging to push HB 195 as far as possible.

0- Texas isn’t the only state pushing Constitutional Carry bill. West Virginia may see Constitutional Carry as well this year, with West Virginia Citizen’s Defense League promoting what they call “3-22 legislation.”  It’s named after the WV Constitution’s right to bear arms clause. The bill removes the crime of carrying a concealed weapon except for persons prohibited from owning firearms. See more about the bill and sign up to receive updates at the WVCDL site.

1-I’d like to correct the record about the police response to the assault by french muslims in Paris last week.  The French police who responded on bicycles were allowed to carry guns.  The particular policemen man or may not have been carrying when they were shot.

John Cardillo spoke to his contacts in Paris.  The police were Prefecture of Paris National Police could be armed with Sig SP2022 in 9mm.  The cop was ambushed and hit with multiple 7.62 rounds. He never had time to draw his weapon.

2-Texas Senator Donna Campbell proposed a bill that would further recognize the right of self-defense.  Campbell’s bill prohibits many state and local public buildings from barring lawful concealed carry.  The bill also strips sovereign immunity from governmental officials who illegally establish disarmament zones.  The bill allows gun owners to sue those government officials for damages.  Quote, “We need to fortify our Second Amendment rights any time we can.  I think that means allowing law abiding, licensed gun owners to lawfully carry their weapons in more places.”

comment- That means Texas is finally catching up with Kansas.

3- Being indiscriminate means you can’t tell good from bad, and that is the goal of political correctness.  The latest case came from Walmart.  Stephanie Wehner took her wedding announcement photographs to Walmart.  They refused to print one of the pictures because it contained a firearm.  The big box retailer said that guns support gang culture.  The groom in the photographs is not a thug.  He helps produce online hunter’s education and safety videos.

It was only when they were questioned by the news media that Walmart changed its policy and said the local employee was misinformed.  Walmart management said it will not print a photograph depicting criminal activity or offensive language.  Firearms are not mentioned.. except by bigoted store employees.

4- This next story won’t take long.  California Senator Barbara Boxer is retiring after 20 plus years in the Senate.  That is the good news.  The bad news is that the Democrats will replace her with anti-gun California Attorney General Kamala Harris.  While serving as District Attorney in Alameda County Harris recruited other District Attorneys and filed an amicus brief in District of Columbia v. Heller, arguing that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual’s right to own firearms.  Both the old and new senators are from the San Francisco bay area.

5- Also from San Francisco, You already know that California has crazy gun laws.  San Francisco leads the list.  That city requires a firearm be stored in an inoperable condition unless it is in the owner’s possession.  That is the same rule that was found unconstitutional in Washington, DC.  Also, due to San Francisco gun laws, no one can carry concealed.  That means it is illegal to carry as you get your mail, pick up your newspaper, or turn off the sprinklers in your front yard.  No one in San Francisco can get a concealed carry permit.

You might not know that the supreme court only accepts one out of a hundred cases submitted to it.  That is why this next news item is interesting.  The highest law enforcement official in the state is the State Attorney General.  26 state attorneys general signed a petition asking the U.S. Supreme Court to review a 9th Circuit Federal Court of Appeals decision that approved the San Francisco ordinance.  The Wisconsin AG said, “We do not want this precedent to stand and create a problem for law abiding gun owners in other states.”  Maybe the supreme court will listen and take the case now that a majority of states attorneys have asked for review.

6- We’re reported stories where police broke the laws and were not prosecuted as you or I would have been.  That means we’re obliged to report when police officers are charged for breaking the law.  Two Albuquerque police officers were charged with murder.  They killed a homeless camper back in March.  The killing started a federal investigation into the Albuquerque police force.  The investigation found a pattern of excessive force.

SWAT team member Dominique Perez and former Detective Keith Sandy face a single count of open murder in the death of 38-year-old James Boyd.  Open murder allows prosecutors to pursue either first-degree or second-degree murder charges.  The officers fatally shot the homeless man who was holding two knives after an hour long standoff.  The confrontation occured in the foothills of the Sandia Mountains.  The homeless man had a history of mental illness.  Video from an officer’s helmet camera showed the homeless man surrender before he was shot.

Rob comment- We had a similar story in California where five officers beat and crushed a schizophrenic man.  They were found not guilty of a crime.  The officers and the city were found guilty of a civil offense.  The award was several million dollars.  The mayor, the police chief, and several of the officers lost their jobs.  I’ve read stories of them being shunned in town.

7- There is a lawsuit against Washington DC which claims they have deliberately denied the right to bear arms.  The new DC mayor just admitted as much.  Mayor Muriel Bowser said “You have a mayor who hates guns.  If it was up to me, we wouldn’t have any handguns in the District of Columbia. I swear to protect the Constitution and (do) what the courts say, but I will do it in the most restrictive way as possible.”
Comment- Your honor, I rest my case.
Comment- This is the same Washington DC where a young man was shot in the head so the gang thugs could steal his shoes?
Comment- That is the place.

8- State Rep. Jim Lucas filed legislation to replace Indiana’s current concealed carry permit program in favor of free and lawful unlicensed carry. The bill would replace 30 pages of Indiana’s firearms regulations with language allowing unlicensed or so-called constitutional carry.  Four other states have similar laws. “This is geared toward the innocent person. I want to remove one more obstacle in their path where they can defend themselves.
John- break

9- Utah Representative Norman Thurston wants to change Utah’s traffic laws.  Today it is illegal to bring a knife or gun onto public transportation.  He said, “You were perfectly fine walking down the street and then you get on a bus and now you’re a felon.  You’re not doing anything different. If it’s legal to be on the street, it should be legal to be on a bus. If it’s illegal to be on the street, it should be the same type of illegal to be on the bus.”  That makes sense.  Representative Thurston should hear from our Utah listeners.

10- Pennsylvania Attorney General Kane doesn’t support the right of self-defense.  She is also in trouble with the law.  A special prosecutor and grand jury said that Democrat Kathleen Kane leaked confidential legal information to a newspaper.  She released the grand jury material to a paper in order to embarrass her political enemies and rivals.  The grand jury recommended charges of perjury and contempt of court.
Rob- Those charges would usually lead to a lawyer being disbarred.  I doubt she will be disbarred or even prosecuted.

11- Turning to national legislation, Congressman Thomas Massie from Kentucky introduced House Resolution 86.  It is called the Safe Students Act.  I would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. Representative Massie said, “Gun-free school zones are ineffective. They make people less safe by inviting criminals into target-rich, no-risk environments. Gun-free zones prevent law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves, and create vulnerable populations that are targeted by criminals. A bigger federal government can’t solve this problem. Weapons bans and gun-free zones are unconstitutional. They do not and cannot prevent criminals or the mentally ill from committing acts of violence. But they often prevent victims of such violence from protecting themselves.”  Please contact your congressman and ask for his support on HR86.
Rob- I sent a letter to my representative. I use PopVox.

12- Attorney General Eric Holder said the US is at war with “lone wolf” terrorists.  The murderers in France were not lone wolves, they were known wolves.  They posted jihad videos from france for years.  The Kalashnikov automatic rifles, Molotov cocktails, grenades, a machine pistol, and unregistered handguns were all illegal according to french law.  You can easily smuggle weapons into europe if you can smuggle millions of immigrants across the border.  So I have to ask.. how is that gun-control working for you, mon ami?

As you would expect from any armed attack, the anti-rights groups used the french murders to support more gun control.

Rachel- This week’s gun quote is paraphrased from Mike Rowe- “Democracy works for those who show up.. Making sure as few as possible show up … is not a coincidence. It’s a strategy.”

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview gun use segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Miko Tempski – SAF At the end of 2014, the Second Amendment Foundation filed suit against the state of Washington’s I-594. Could you give us a brief synopsis of the case?

You have an interesting variety of plaintiffs ranging from individuals to a private security firm. How did you go about getting a group of plaintiffs with this breadth?
Where do things stand now?
One of the complaints that I’ve heard in the gun rights community is this lawsuit specifically isn’t meant to stop background checks. How would you respond to this?

Andrew Rothman- You’re the president of Minnesota’s Gun Owner’s Civil Rights Alliance.  You noticed that the state of Minnesota violated the law on their new concealed carry application.  They have since revised their application.  The state did not change it because they are Minnesota nice.  What was the problem and how did you get it fixed?
Rally at the Capitol-

Matt Chase- (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/12/bring-your-gun-to-synagogue/)
You wrote an article asking jews to concealed carry in synagogue.  You also said that the leaders of many jewish organizations took anti-rights positions.  Why do you think that is so?  You not only asked jews to carry, you carry yourself.  Thank you for your integrity.  What is the attitude of your rabbi, or did you have to shop for synagogue where self-defense was respected?

Segment 4 DGUs
1-This story is from Toledo, Ohio.  The owner of an auto detailing business saw someone trying to steal one of his cars.  He approached the thief, and the thief lunged at him with a knife.  The business owner is a licensed carry holder and was carrying at the time.  He shot at the thief, but only grazed him.  The thief ran, but was soon arrested by police.  The shop owner is cooperating with police and is not facing any charges.

2- This story could be called any time – any where – the usual suspects.  Two men tried to break into a Las Vegas home.  The area was described as law abiding.  The neighbors said they had never seen a policeman on their street.  The robbers kicked in the front door near midnight.  They were armed.  The homeowner ran upstairs and retrieved his gun.  The robber shot at the homeowner and missed.  The homeowner shot the robber several times in the chest.  Both robbers ran from the house.  The wounded robber left a trail of blood across the driveway and collapsed on the street.  The other robber escaped.  The wounded robber died at the hospital.  The dead robber had been out of jail for less than one year.  He served time for burglary, attempted armed robbery, for five separate felony cases.

3- She’s a Pistol is the name of a gun store in Shawnee,  Kansas.  Four young men walked into the store wearing hoodies and carrying a duffel bag.  The details are not clear, but they tried to rob the store at gunpoint.  They struck the female store owner in the face.  They shot the male store owner.  The store owners shot three of the robbers.  Only two of them were able to run away.  The two fleeing criminals were arrested a short distance away by police.  The three wounded criminals survived but remain in the hospital because of their injuries.  The male store owner died at the hospital. The female store owner was hospitalized overnight and released.  All four of the robbers are charged with murder, aggravated robbery or attempted aggravated robbery.  No weapons were taken from the store.

The robbers had criminal records.  one of the robbers pleaded guilty to unlawful use of a weapon and was placed on probation for three years. Another was charged with unlawful use of a weapon and assault on a police officer.  The oldest robber was 20 years old.

4- A man entered an Indianapolis clothes shop wearing a mask.  He drew a gun and demanded money from the store clerk.  The store clerk gave him the money.  As the robber left the store, the clerk started dialing the police.  The armed robber re-entered the store and threatened the clerk.  At that point another store employee drew his firearm and shot the robber in the head.  Police found the robber lying outside the store.  No customers were injured.  The robber had a record of prior arrests.

5-Four armed men forced their way into a Columbus Georgia home.  They put a gun to the head of the female homeowner.  The male homeowner heard her scream.  He shot the robber several times.  The robbers fled.  Police found the wounded robber in a nearby yard.  He was taken to the hospital for emergency surgery.  Police arrested another of the four robbers.  He was charged with home invasion first degree, criminal attempt armed robbery, aggravated assault , possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and theft by receiving stolen property.  The other two remained at large.

6- It was almost closing time at the seafood bar and grill in Houston.  Two men walked into the restaurant wearing hoodies.  They produced a gun and ordered the female store owner to hand over the cash.  She walked into the kitchen where her husband saw that she was terrified.  The robbers ordered the store owners to the floor and held them at gunpoint.. until a customer interveined.  The customer held one of the robbers until police arrived, and shot at the other robber when the robber pointed his gun back at them.  The robber escaped on foot.  The other robber was arrested by police for armed robbery.  Local merchants handed out flyers for the restaurant to help drum up business after the robbery attempt.  The female store owner said the customer’s calm actions inspired her to get her CHL.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
I wrote about the failed gun laws in Washington State.  I’m writing about most gun owners not deserving the legal right to own guns.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did a post yesterday about an effort by Bloomberg’s Everytown to influence journalists. In conjunction with the Columbia University’s Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma, they will be putting on an all expense paid 2-day workshop for 15 reporters and editors from the Southwest. It will feature their so-called experts, etc. I surmise that this is an effort to write the media narrative in AZ and NV in advance of universal background check initiatives.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Miko Tempski, Andrew Rothman, and Matt Chase for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 300 JN2AS and David Cole

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  We’re recording on Wednesday, January 7th, 2015. I’m Rachel Malone

Rob : I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we’ll talk with Frank Fiamingo, Alexander Roubian, Justin Delosh, and David Cole

Rachel, we also have news about the terrorist assault on a french newspaper.

Rachel: so climb aboard

Rob strap in

Rachel: and hang on! episode 300 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rachel- It’s been way too long since I’ve been on a podcast! I was sick with a nasty virus all Christmas week, and then traveling all of the next week. I did manage to connect with a few more reps’ offices. I’m also working with Lone Star Gun Rights to prepare for an event at the State Capitol on Tuesday, January 13. More on that later…

John is recovering from elective surgery.  He is fine, but said the anesthesia left him drunk.

Rob- Rachel, we could start our bloopers for the year by recording John.

Shot show credentials came in.  I downloaded the shot show app on my phone.  a low-cost hotel in Vegas said they had low rates the week of the convention..but Circus Circus lies in their advertising.  I made plans to shoot IDPA on Saturday and instruct at a women on target class on Sunday morning.

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1-The French satire newspaper Charlie Hebdo was attacked this morning by three muslim gunmen.  The terrorists were armed.  They killed 12 people, and asked for many of the victims by name.  They also killed a french policeman.  Like the rest of the french victims, the policeman was not armed.  The french policeman begged for his life before he was shot dead.

Rob- That is what gun control looks like.

Some news outlets are asking why this happened and how they can stop it.  The answer is simple.  Based on their own statements, muslims will stop killing once the french are dead.  French gun laws only allow owning a firearm for sport.  The permit and registration process makes New Jersey look easy by comparison.  French criminals don’t obey french gun laws any more than New Jersey citizens obey New Jersey gun laws.

The real question is why this didn’t happen before.. and why it has not happened here in the United States.  The answer is it has happened here.

We’ve had muslims attacks in Moore, Oklahoma; West Orange, New Jersey; Seattle, Washington; Skyway, Washington; Port Bolivar, Texas; Richmond, California; Boston, Massachusetts; Ashtabula, Ohio; Marquette Park, Illinois; Warren, Michigan; Waltham, Massachusetts; Houston, Texas; and Buena Vista, New Jersey.  Those attacks took place in the last four years.  Our president called them “work place violence”.  There has been only one vigilante reprisal.

Why haven’t there been more attacks in the United States?

http://blackmanwithagun.com/coming-america

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2- An army psychologist was shot in a VA clinic.  This happened in El Paso, Texas.  The clinic is a gun-free zone.  The doctor had previously filed a threat complaint against the person who later shot him.  The murderer then took his own life.  The only recorded contact between the two men happened at a grocery store several months ago.  The murderer approached the doctor and said “I know what you did and I will take care of that.”

That is when the doctor filed his complaint.

Rob- This is a two-fer.  It is a failed restraining order AND a failed gun free zone.

3-We reported when Illinois reached 100,000 concealed carry license holders in its first year.  When the law was being debated, the press told us we’d see wild-west shoot outs in the streets as gun carrying idiots fought over parking places.  They never printed a retraction, but the media owes us one.

Champaign County Sheriff Dan Walsh asked his deputies to let him know if they had any problems with concealed carry holders.  “I’ve yet to get one.” Walsh said.

Urbana Police Chief Patrick Connolly said, “..the people who are law-abiding and take the time to go to class and register and understand the concept (of concealed carry),..are going to be smart enough to handle the firearm appropriately. So, I don’t think this was something out of the ordinary.”

Danville police Sgt. Josh Campbell agreed, saying “When you’re talking concealed-carry, it’s mostly your law-abiding citizens, who don’t cause problems anyway.”

Illinois is way behind the national average for concealed carry and comes in between Nebraska and Rhode Island by percentage.  For raw numbers, it is between Louisiana and West Virginia.

4-I love it when people put their personal convictions into action.  A gun show manager in Utah organized firearms safety classes during his gun shows.   Mitch McKinlay he did it because of the number of new shooters attending his shows. “We want to make sure and give the public the opportunity to obtain professional gun safety courses.  Everyone who owns a gun, both new and longtime gun owners, can use the information and techniques taught during the classes.  We should all take the time to learn or refresh ourselves about safe and proper techniques with gun ownership.”  The safety classes were offered at no additional cost.

Rob- I bet gun sales went UP once new shoppers know how to safely accept, inspect and hold a firearm.

5-If that was a person with conviction.  Here is a story from a politician who doesn’t have any convictions.  New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said New Jersey gun control laws “might be a little too strict.” That was last month.  Now that Christie considers running for president, he says New Jersey needs more gun laws.  He wants dealers and manufacturers to make gun records available for inspection to State Police.  They would have to notify state police if their security systems fail.  Also, the dealer could be required to move the guns to another licensed location if the security system of physical security of their shop is compromised.

Rob- That is wasted effort designed to get political attention.

6-We don’t want civilians to lose their guns to criminals.  We don’t want the police to lose their firearms either.  A ‘good Samaritan’ couple returned a missing rifle to Salem New Hampshire police.  The M4 semi-automatic rifle was lost earlier that day by a Salem police officer.

The officer had left the Colt M4 Commando 5.56mm semi-automatic rifle atop his cruiser’s trunk as he headed out for patrol Tuesday afternoon.  They assume the rifle fell off during his patrol.  The officer was not identified in the news release that asked for the public’s help in finding the rifle.  The officer left the rifle in its black canvas carrying bag on the trunk of his police car.  He discovered the loss at the end of his shift.

7-Michael Bloomberg and his group of anti-rights billionaires said Initiative 594 would stop gun-crime in the state of Washington.  They were wrong.  A man walked into a Tacoma bank wearing a blue hooded sweatshirt, a face mask, gloves, and carrying a gun.  He demanded money.  The teller gave him the money in her till, and the bank robber ran away.

Comment- You mean that criminals don’t obey gun laws.. not even in the evergreen state?

No, they don’t.  Not in the people’s republic of Takoma.

Comment- Don’t tell the Washington Post.  They blamed guns for the recent attacks on police.

Comment- but what else would you expect from the Post.

8-Second Amendment Foundation opposed Washington Initiative 954.  They filed an injunction a month after the bill took effect.  We already reported that the state’s law enforcement agencies publicly admitted they can’t interpret the law.  SAF says parts of the legislation, “are so vague that a person of ordinary intelligence cannot understand their scope.” Other sections of the bill violate the Second Amendment.  For example, the law prohibits Washington residents from loaning their firearm to out of state guests or hunters while traveling in Washington.. even between family members.

Alan Gottlieb, vice president of the group, said in a statement to the press that the legislation makes it “difficult if not impossible,” for officers to enforce it due to the uncertainty of whether a change of firearm possession was exempt or not.

Rob- Superstitious gun bigots don’t care.  They want to outlaw your tools of self-defense.

9-This is a test.  How many of you have used the website Gunfacts.info?  I’ve used them as a reliable reference for years.  They conducted their research on a shoestring budget that covered their website costs.  Now they are suffering from their own success.  A growing number of visitors use their site, so their hosting costs are going up.  Guy Smith is asking for sponsors.

comment- They are a worthy subject for  your year end giving.

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Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Segment 3 Interviews

The Texas Legislature convenes on Tuesday, January 13. This marks the beginning of an intense 5-month period for which Texas gun owners have been eagerly waiting. Most of the open carry groups in Texas can trace their origins back to the summer of 2013, just after the close of a very disappointing legislative session. For the past year and a half, they have been conducting open carry marches to raise awareness and keep the issue from dying. Now they have a chance to work for legislative action.

Justin Delosh is doing just that. Justin is a grassroots liberty activist, member of the steering committee for TAG (Texans for Accountable Government), director of Lone Star Gun Rights, working to pass Constitutional Carry in Texas. Justin is here to talk about an event at the Texas State Capitol on Tuesday, January 13.

Justin, we’ve been a part of many rallies and open carry marches near the Capitol. What’s different about this event?

Justin’s website is–

When and where does this event begin?

January 13. 8AM at the south gate of the capital.  We want to flood every office.

What can we expect to be doing at the event?

Show up and be counted.

Some people won’t be able to travel or get off work to join us in Austin on Tuesday. What can they do to help the cause?

Go to http://lonestargr.com/ and sign the petition.

What can we expect during the next 5 months of session?

What are the critical points of getting gun legislation passed, and how can listeners be ready to come help?

You’ve been working and planning for the session for almost two years now. How does it feel now that it’s actually here?

Tell me about the behind-the-scenes work that’s going on right now to help make this event happen.

Tell me about the people who are working to make a difference in Texas.

Recap Jan. event (when, where, what). How can listeners connect with you, support the cause, and find information?

Thank you, Justin.

Segment 4 DGUs

– Drug use isn’t a victimless crime.  A 20 year old man knocked on a door in Castaic, California.  He was high on heroin.  He asked the homeowner for 100 million dollars and then punched the homeowner.  The 63 year old homeowner had surgery a few weeks before.  His house guest had hernia surgery the week before.  They pinned the intruder to the floor until the homeowner grabbed his shotgun.  The police arrested 20 year old Salvador Medrano on suspicion of robbery and assault. Medrano is in the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station.

– 32 year old Erica Duran broke a window at a Sante Fe, New Mexico home.  The homeowner said Ms Duran broke in and then came at him with a piece of glass.  The homeowner shot at Duran.. and missed.  Then homeowner call police.  The police picked up Duran a short distance away from the break in.  Duran is linked to several other burglaries in the area.  Duran is charged with possession of drug paraphernalia, concealing identification, felony aggravated assault, criminal trespass, and criminal damage to property.

-This is how concealed carry works in Wisconsin.  A 20-year-old inmate from the Waukesha county jail walked away from a work detail.  Then he walked into a Walgreens Drugstore.  He asked the clerk for a carton of cigarettes and to speak to a manager.  The inmate, Bretzel told the manager that he had a gun and to give him the money in the register.  The manager opened the till and walked away with his arms in the air. Bretzel then walked into a Steak and Potato restaurant and handed the cashier clerk a similar note.  “Give me all the cash in the drawer or I will shoot you.”  The clerk then reached under the counter and pulled out her black 9mm Taurus handgun.  Bretzel fled and was picked up by police.  He faces is charged with armed robbery, attempted armed robbery, escape, and misdemeanor repeat bail jumping.

comment- What a difference a firearm makes.

-An East Texas CHL carrier found himself in a position that we all try to prepare for but hope to avoid. Fredy Neal, age 65, was at a RedBox kiosk at a Walgrens in Tyler, TX when he was approached by Michael Caldwell. Mr. Caldwell and his girlfriend had just come from IHOP, where they were asked to leave after causing a disturbance. Caldwell then proceeded to create another disturbance by starting an argument with Neal at the Redbox. The situation escalated. Neal pulled out his concealed handgun. Unable to keep Caldwell from assaulting him, he fired one shot into Caldwell’s chest. Witnesses confirmed that Caldwell initiated the altercation, and Neal has not been charged or held in custody. As is customary in Texas, the case will be presented to a grand jury.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

One will come out on Friday about crime in Washington State.  Are any of our listeners surprised that criminals don’t obey the new Washington gun laws?

Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Frank Fiamingo, Alexander Roubian, Justin Delosh, and David Cole for joining us today.  Rob, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Rachel, will you join us this weekend?  Until the next time…  stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

Rachel and we’ll see you down the road.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Episode 299

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, January 4th 2015. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a veteran who lost his gun rights due to insomnia.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and it seems the criminals aren’t obeying the new gun laws in Washington State.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and tonight we interview John Pierce about mental health and losing your right to self-defense, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Because episode 299 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- I made my year end donations. I am a superhero. I also put in some dry practice. It feels like a different gun now that I replaced the springs. I waited too long to replace them. The springs I took out were MUCH shorter than the springs I put in. I buy ammunition in 1 to 2 thousand round lots. I’ll have to buy new springs each second purchase.

John – Like Rob, I made my year end donations to gun rights organizations. I spent about 4 hours yesterday working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth at the local gun show. I met some interesting folks. Unlike most gun shows, I didn’t come home with ammo but I did find a rear sight for my Savage 99 that I’m restoring. Other than that, I’m trying to fight off the beginnings of a cold so that I’ll be well for the SHOT Show in two weeks.

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Paul 1- Donald Montgomery is a navy veteran AND again a veteran police officer with 30 years of service. He rose to the rank of detective sergeant before he retired. He visited a Long Island, New York hospital for treatment of insomnia after he and his wife moved to a new home in the area. New York State Police and local sheriff’s officers knocked on Montgomery’s door five days later. They seized his four registered handguns, including his former duty sidearms. The Sheriff said he’d been repeatedly pressured by the New York State Police to assist in the raid.

Montgomery is suing Governor Cuomo, Eastern Long Island Hospital, the superintendent of state police and the local sheriff. The Sheriff said Montgomery was declared mentally defective. Hospital records say otherwise. Montgomery sought treatment voluntarily. The hospital diagnosed Montgomery as “mildly depressed and having trouble sleeping.” The records said quote, “Patient has no thoughts of hurting himself. Patient has no thoughts of hurting others. Patient is not having suicidal thoughts. Patient is not having homicidal thoughts…” and “there is no evidence of any psychotic processes, mania, or OCD symptoms. Insight, judgment, and impulse control are good.” The hospital psychiatrist told Montgomery, “I don’t know why you were referred here. You don’t belong here.”

Montgomery alleges that the hospital violated his privacy by transmitting his medical information to the State Police without his consent or knowledge. Montgomery subsequently requested a hearing to have his handgun ownership permit reinstated, but the sheriff’s department terminated his permit without a hearing. The police also denied Montgomery’s Freedom of Information requests to see what information has been placed in his file. Both the police and the hospital refused to allow him to correct any mistakes in his medical record.

Our listeners might remember that Governor Cuomo publicly stated that conservatives have no place in the State of New York. I guess retired police officers are now enemies of the state.

Rob 2- There were a number of sexual assaults this summer on and near the campus of University of Florida, Gainesville. There was also a mass shooting in front of the library at Florida State University in Tallahassee. Those are both called gun free zones under florida law. There are now bills in the florida house and senate to allow concealed carry on campus. Sean Caranna is the executive director of Florida carry. Sean said this, ““Frankly, we have had enough. Too many lives have been lost because of the illusion of safety and security associated with gun-free zones. Where colleges have allowed concealed carry, there has not been a single mass shooting.”

Rob- I’ve had a call in for Zachary at Students for Concealed Carry for a month. Maybe he’ll come on the show some time.

Paul 3- Wendy Davis ran for governor of Texas. She lost by 20 points. Now the out of work politician said she’ll probably run for office again. She has a law degree from Harvard. She said she did well fundraising inside and outside of Texas. She said her support of open carry hurt her fundraising efforts from Democrat supporters outside of Texas. Quote “What I do know is that as an elected public servant, I’ve always been true to my core beliefs. Always. And I’m so proud of that, and this was the only time I felt like I’d strayed a bit from that.” She wants local preemption so Texas municipalities could make their own gun laws. She pointed to her votes requiring background checks at gun shows when she was a City Councilwoman and her opposition as a senator to allowing guns on college campuses. Davis’s senate district is now held by tea party candidate Konni Burton.

Rob- Core beliefs?

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Rob 4- The Reuters news service ran a clickbait headline that said gun deaths by police rose 56 percent. Put that into perspective. Take out accidental death and suicide, and we’re left with 50 officers killed in 2014, 32 in 2013, and 68 officers killed in 2011. That means the homicide rate for police officers is 15 percent higher than for the general public. Blue lives matter.. just like everyone elses.

Rob- most police will retire without ever firing their firearm on patrol.

Paul 5- We have mixed news from Michigan. Governor Snyder vetoed bills that would have exempted airguns from Michigan firearms laws. That leaves us and our children at risk for owning a BB gun. The governor’s staff said he did not sign a bill making Michigan shall issue and getting rid of the county gun boards. The state legislature’s website says he signed the bill. I hope the governor signs both bills, but RINOs have disappointed me too many times before to count on them.

Rob 6- Comedian Jeff Foxworthy and singer Alan Jackson are scheduled to provide entertainment at the 2015 NRA Annual Meeting in Nashville. Shannon Watts and her Moms Demand Action are trying to bully Foxworthy and Jackson into canceling their appearances. On their Facebook page they wrote, “Alan Jackson and Jeff Foxworthy agreed to open this year’s NRA convention after the NRA pushed to arm convicted criminals, blocked federal gun violence research, and board members promoted armed insurrection. Let’s educate these celebrities on the dangerous and irresponsible policies the gun lobby supports.” Katie Pavlich thinks that Jeff Foxworthy will end up using Moms Demand Action as part of his routine for their laughable effort.

John – I would agree. And I think our listeners would find it ironic that a group that should be against bullying engages in it at every opportunity. Witness their blackmail campaign against many restaurants, Jay Leno, and Kroger grocery stores. Only Kroger has shown any spine.

Paul 7- Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel thinks guns are bad.. if you have them. Guns are great if he has them. The mayor has a sign outside his house telling mere citizens that the house is guarded by armed secret service agents as well as the Chicago police.
Rob- Mayors don’t get secret service protection!
They do if they once worked for Barack Obama.

The totals are in for the rest of the mere citizens in the gun free paradise of Chicago. In 2014, there were 388 people shot and killed, and 2231 people shot and wounded.

See, they don’t have secret service protection!

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Rob 8- Frustrated in their efforts to enact gun control at the national level, the gun prohibitionists are turning their eyes on the states. According to a recent New York Times story, following the victory for I-594 in Washington State, gun controllers are looking at up to 20 more states for ballot initiatives. The Brady Campaign views Maine, Oregon, and Arizona as the states where they could have the most success. This is on top of the effort in Nevada. While these campaigns are expensive, they now can depend upon the deep pockets of Michael Bloomberg and other billionaires. John Feinblatt of Everytown said, “Whether it’s on guns or immigration or tax reform, clearly Washington is broken. You have to influence the federal government at the state.”

John – This should be a warning to everyone that we need to be aware and to join their state-level organizations.

Rob- I donated to several California organizations.

Paul 9- They promised us that criminals would obey the law now that voters passed Washington Initiative 594. Unfortunately, the robbers get a vote more than rich gun control advocates. Three men robbed a car at gunpoint in West Seattle. The robbers demanded wallets and phones, and then pointed a gun at the driver when the three occupants complained. Thank goodness they didn’t hand the gun back and forth, or they’d be guilty of a new firearms crime.

Rob- This reminds me of the stupidity of micro-agression. We’re ignoring violent criminals while we criminalize non-violent gun owners.

John – A link to “fart raping”.

Paul- last- Author Brian Aitken is having a book signing on Tuesday, the 20th of January. The event is at the VFW hall in Whippany, New Jersey. Check the New Jersey Second Amendment society website for details.
Rob- I met Brian Aitken. I interviewed him on this podcast. I’ve donated to his fundraising campaigns. I know his story and I am reading his book. He tries to tell his story in an even handed and a light-hearted manner. I find it hard to read because I am outraged by how he was treated. You will want to meet Brian if you live near New York City.
(BRIAN AITKEN BOOK SIGNING EVENT IN NORTH JERSEY, 20 Jan 2015 7:30 PM – 10:30 PM, Location: The VFW Hall at 750 New Jersey Route 10, Whippany, NJ 07981)

Gary- Gun Quotes- “Every decent man is ashamed of the government he lives under.” said H.L. Mencken.

Rob- Henry Louis Mencken was an American journalist, essayist, magazine editor, satirist and social critic. He died the year I was born.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this
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The Texas Legislature convenes on Tuesday, January 13. This marks the beginning of an intense 5-month period for which Texas gun owners have been eagerly waiting. Most of the open carry groups in Texas can trace their origins back to the summer of 2013, just after the close of a very disappointing legislative session. For the past year and a half, they have been conducting open carry marches to raise awareness and keep the issue from dying. Now they have a chance to work for legislative action.

Justin Delosh is doing just that. Justin is a grassroots liberty activist, member of the steering committee for TAG (Texans for Accountable Government), director of Lone Star Gun Rights, working to pass Constitutional Carry in Texas. Justin is here to talk about an event at the Texas State Capitol on Tuesday, January 13.

Justin, we’ve been a part of many rallies and open carry marches near the Capitol. What’s different about this event?
Justin’s website is–
When and where does this event begin?
January 13. 8AM at the south gate of the capital.  We want to flood every office.
What can we expect to be doing at the event?
Show up and be counted.
Some people won’t be able to travel or get off work to join us in Austin on Tuesday. What can they do to help the cause?
to http://lonestargr.com/ and sign the petition.
What can we expect during the next 5 months of session?
What are the critical points of getting gun legislation passed, and how can listeners be ready to come help?
You’ve been working and planning for the session for almost two years now. How does it feel now that it’s actually here?
Tell me about the behind-the-scenes work that’s going on right now to help make this event happen.
Tell me about the people who are working to make a difference in Texas.
Recap Jan. event (when, where, what). How can listeners connect with you, support the cause, and find information?
Thank you, Justin.

Rights restoration applies state by state.
Insomnia/depression triggered clauses in the New York SAFE Act.

Segment 4 DGUs
Rob 1- This story is from Detroit, Michigan. A 44 year old man and a 40 year old woman had stopped and were sitting in their car early on New Years eve. Two men approached the car. They pointed a shotgun at the couple and demanded their wallets and keys. The man in the car has his concealed carry license and was carrying at the time. He shot one robber in the chest. The second robber dragged his accomplice back to their car and drove him to the hospital. The second robber abandoned his friend at the hospital and ran away on foot. The 23 year old robber was pronounced dead at the hospital.

Paul 2- Justin Schilling of Centuria Wisconsin was sleeping in bed early New Years morning. He woke up to hear someone pounding at his door. As he approached the door, Derek Amoroso kicked the door in and entered Schilling’s home. Schilling was already armed and told Amoroso to leave. Amoroso attacked the homeowner. Schilling shot his attacker once in the leg and groin area. Police found Amoroso lying on the kitchen floor. EMTs transported him to a local hospital where he is now listed in stable condition. Police said the homeowner is not expected to face charges in the shooting.

Rob 3- We’ve reported stories like this before. 38 year old William Bloomer got drunk at a party near Beaumont, Texas. He left on foot to go see a friend he thought lived nearby. Bloomer broke into a house and the homeowner shot him. Bloomer died of his gunshot wounds. The Orange County Sheriff’s Department has not filed any charges against the homeowner.

Rob- You’d better make plans if you’re going to get blind drunk.

Paul 4- Our next story of defensive gun use is from Katy Texas and was sent in by listener Scott. An armed robber walked into a fireworks stand on newyears eve. The getaway driver waited in the car. The robber demanded money from the employee working in the stand. The employee tried to talk the robber out of the robbery.. and then shot the robber four times. The getaway driver fled the scene. The robber was flown to a hospital and is listed in critical condition. Police think these two hispanic robbers had hit several other businesses in the last few days.

Thank you, Scott.

Rob5- 24 year old Wendell Giles was on parole. His parole officer wanted him for parole violations. The police wanted him as a suspect in eight burglaries in the North Little Rock area. A homeowner heard someone enter his home Monday morning. The homeowner called the police and grabbed his rifle. The homeowner aimed the rifle at the intruder’s head.. and the gun didn’t fire because the homeowner forgot to take off the safety. Giles fled the scene, but was arrested by police a short distance away. Giles was not armed when he was arrested.. for 9 burglaries.

Paul 6- A gun store owner got a call from his alarm company. The front door was smashed and several guns were missing from his Youngsville Louisiana store when he arrived. Video surveillance showed the thieves breaking into the store and breaking the display cases. The store owner boarded up his store and went home. The alarm sounded a few hours later and the store owner returned to find two men sitting in a car in front of his shop. They drove toward him. They struck him and the front of his store with their car. The driver then pointed a gun at the store owner. The store owner drew and fired. Police found the vehicle a few streets away. Both the driver and passenger suffered gunshot wounds. The driver was dead and the passenger required urgent medical attention after his arrest. The vehicle used by the thieves was stolen. Police found found firearms in the vehicle that were taken from the Youngsville gunshop and from other recent burglaries.

Rob 7- Clayton Dial, 23, needed money to pay his drug dealer. He thought the Kamakura sushi restaurant in Champaign, Illinois would be the place to get it this past Tuesday. Dial thought wrong. After he pulled out what appeared to be a revolver and demanded cash from the hostess, sushi chef Tetsui Miwa grabbed his sushi knife and went on the offensive. Grabbing Dial by the shoulders, he demanded to know what he wanted. When the robber saw the knife, he started running. Miwa along with two managers finally subdued Dial in the parking lot and held him until police arrived . The revolver turned out to be a pellet gun.

Miwa said later that he really didn’t want to use his sushi knife but would have if it was absolutely necessary. “It’s pretty expensive so I didn’t want to damage it or use it. I was telling him, ‘Don’t make me use this.’ As soon as the other two managers came out, I set it down to the ground very carefully because I didn’t want to damage my blade,” Dial is now in the county jail under $100,000 bond charged with attempted aggravated robbery, intimidation and aggravated battery.

Paul- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank John Pierce for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 298 – New Years Eve

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Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on December 31st 2014,. I’m Paul Lathrop…
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we have a tragic story about a mother shot in a wal-mart in Idaho, and we have a lot of listener feedback!
Susan: We also have some DGU’s to talk about, so climb aboard,
Gary: strap in
Paul: and hang on! Because episode 298 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

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1- Authorities: 2-year-old boy accidentally shoots and kills his mother inside Idaho Wal-Mart | Fox News. This is from Melody Lauer aka Limatunes
HAYDEN, Idaho – Authorities in northern Idaho say a 2-year-old boy accidentally shot and killed his mother after he reached into her purse at a Wal-Mart store and the concealed gun fired.
Kootenai County sheriff’s spokesman Stu Miller tells reporters that the shooting was accidental and occurred in the store in Hayden, Idaho, a town about 40 miles northeast of Spokane, Washington.
Miller says the woman had a concealed weapons permit. Her identity has not been released.
The Wal-Mart closed after the shooting.
Hayden is a politically conservative town of about 9,000 people just north of Coeur d’Alene in Idaho’s northern panhandle.
2- LA: CCW Fail: Gun Stolen in Armed Robbery
Another concealed carry failure happened that might have been prevented by open carry. In this rare event, a concealed carry weapons (CCW) permit holder was robbed of his defensive firearm. He was pistol whipped to the head before he could draw, indicating that his attackers did not wish to draw attention with a shot, and/or they did not wish an obvious murder. It is likely that if the victim had been openly carrying his firearm, the robbers would have chosen less dangerous prey.
Gary – We just don’t know if that is true, he may have been pistol whipped anyway.
3- Black teen disturbance Friday evening closes Chicago’s “NO GUNS” Navy Pier
You think you’ll be safe in Chicago if you just hang out in the touristy, supposedly “safe”, areas of the city?
Think again, Buttercup.
The random violence and criminal activity infects every nook and cranny in Chicago, but especially areas like the “NO GUNS” allowed Navy Pier, where gaggles of black teens began fighting amongst themselves and attacking hapless innocent tourists as part of their Christmas celebrations early Friday evening.
Police closed down Navy Pier on a busy night – one of Chicago’s top tourist destinations – because of the outbreak of violence. One worker described the scene as something out of “Braveheart”.
While many were injured, most refused treatment, except for one pregnant woman taking an ambulance to a children’s hospital.

4- It may have sounded like gunfire, but what caused hundreds of people to scatter at Chicago Ridge Mall over the weekend was apparently the sharp clang of pots or lids at a restaurant, according to police. Chicago Ridge police Chief Robert Pyznarski said Monday that a worker at a Japanese restaurant banged pots or pans to drive off people who were causing a disturbance Saturday evening. The restaurant manager insists, however, that someone dropped a lid by mistake.

Video: Unconfirmed reports of shots fired at Chicago Ridge mall
Either way, the sound sent hundreds of people yelling and running for cover in the mall. There were no injuries or arrests, but the mall closed early.

Gun Quotes
“There are no dangerous weapons. There are only dangerous men.”
– Robert A. Heinlein

“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.”
– St. Augustine

“The philosophy of gun control: Teenagers are roaring through town at 90MPH, where the speed limit is 25. Your solution is to lower the speed limit to 20.”
– Sam Cohen (inventor of the neutron bomb)

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Segment 4 DGUs

1 Our first DGU is from WKBN.com, Quoting directly from their website

PITTSBURGH (AP) – Police say a 74-year-old western Pennsylvania man fatally shot one of two men armed with axe handles who baited him out of his home in an attempt to rob him.
State police say Nicholas Dziyak fatally shot 42-year-old Robert West about 8:40 p.m. Sunday in West Pike Run Township. That’s in Washington County, about 30 miles south of Pittsburgh.
Police say they’ve jailed a second alleged attacker, 18-year-old Andrew Graseck, of Carmichaels, on charges including robbery and aggravated assault.
Police say West and Graseck cut the power to Dziyak’s property before luring him outside, where they planned to rob him over a past business dispute.
Instead, the homeowner fired at both men, killing West. Police say Graseck was arrested after a short chase.
The district attorney must determine if the shooting was justified.
2- Good guys with guns are the only thing that stops bad people with evil in their hearts from destroying innocent lives.
Yes, Virginia, the most effective thing that stops a bad guy with a weapon of some sort and evil in his or her heart is a good guy with a gun. Sometimes that good guy wears a badge. Sometimes that good guy isn’t a cop, but a licensed civilian.
Sometimes he’s even a pastor of a church – and sometimes violence is visited upon a place of the Lord:
Kissimmee, FL (Orlando Sentinel) – The pastor of a Kissimmee church shot and critically wounded an employee Tuesday morning in a shootout after he notified the man he was being fired, according to the Osceola County Sheriff’s Office. Benjamin Parangan Jr., a member of the maintenance crew for at least eight years, allegedly opened fire when he was told he no longer had a job.

3- Our next dgu comes from KLFY.com For this one we have audio from them

4- we have this one from Fargo’s WDAZ.com again quoting directly from their website.

FARGO – A passer-by with a handgun stopped four people from assaulting and robbing a 36-year-old man Monday afternoon in downtown, according to Fargo police.
Lt. Joel Vettel said one of the four knew the victim and lured him behind a building in the 900 block of NP Avenue. There, the man was assaulted, knocked unconscious and robbed of his wallet, Vettel said.
Police were dispatched to the scene about 12:10 p.m. and learned that the passer-by, who has a license to carry a concealed weapon, brandished his gun to end the robbery, Vettel said.
All four of the alleged robbers were being held Monday evening at the Cass County Jail.
Spencer St. Claire, 19, and Michael Guy, 33, were each arrested on a robbery charge. Neither man has a permanent address.
Linda Miller, 37, of Moorhead was booked on charges of robbery and felony possession of drug paraphernalia, as well as an outstanding warrant for misdemeanor assault.
Flora Eaglechasing, 42, of Moorhead was booked on a robbery charge, along with an outstanding warrant for failing to appear in court.

5- According to NBC Philadelphia, a man, identified as Angel Suarez Medero, climbed onto a second story apartment balcony in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. and broke into the home and stealing a dog from inside. Medero then jumped from a second story window with the dog.
Medero then broke into a first floor apartment and began assaulting the residents inside.
One of the residents was armed and opened fire on Medero, who still continued to fight despite suffering close range gunshot wounds.
Medero was eventually subdued and taken into custody by police. He was transported to an area hospital for surgery where he remains in critical condition.
The dog that was stolen ran away during the ordeal and is still missing. The dog, named Ollie, is a 4-year-old, penny-colored long-haired dachshund and weighs approximately 17 pounds according to the NBC report. The owner is hoping he can be found. This incident is the one of the most common types of defensive gun uses. That is, one in which no one was killed. Despite this being one of the most common types of defensive gun uses, these incidents are often not included in statistics about defensive gun uses. Many of these statistics and studies focus solely on justifiable homicides, which represent only a fraction of total defensive gun uses.

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

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Email from Braden a long time listener whom we haven’t heard from in a while.

Dear Paul,

I really enjoyed the prepper discussion you recently had on Episode 296. Thank you!!!

Regarding the shotgun suggestion and your comment to consider a 20 gauge, I had some thoughts noted below.
BTW, Massad Ayoob wrote a commentary about the virtues of the 20 gauge and calculated the reduced recoil versus yield and found it to be a good deal.

My insights are:
1) The 20 gauge seems to me to be less available or more expensive in the buckshot category (which is what is needed as a self-defense “caliber”).
2) Reduced Recoil 12 gauge buckshot ammunition is reasonably easy to shoot with all the needed bang for the buck (pun intended) and is plentiful.

So, please consider the Reduced Recoil 12 gauge ammunition since it addresses your justified recoil concerns.
(BTW, I look for Law Enforcement eight [8] pellet which seems to pattern well from a variety of manufacturers which may be due to the pellet arrangement).

One final thing, I would recommend that shotgun users go with only one gauge due to the substantial risk of putting a 20 gauge shell in a 12 gauge shotgun!
(For me, I vigorously marked, and as soon as it was possible, I got rid of all 20 gauge ammunition from a friend’s borrowed 20 gauge shotgun…too much risk).

Best regards, Braden

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Mark from Canada wrote in as well,

I really enjoy listening to PSP! As a Canadian I find the information very interesting and sometimes leaving me drooling over the ability most Americans have to carry concealed for self-defence.

Here in Canada, we supposedly have the right to self-defense but are not able to exercise that right because we cannot arm ourselves to a level that would facilitate mounting a sufficient defense against any violent attack.

I have a comment regarding the video produced by Rejina Sincic. I watched the video with my kids and one of my sons noticed that the gun was a pellet, BB, or airsoft gun. I did a quick search after having a look at the video and found that it is a Crossman C11 CO2 powered .177 BB pistol. What a joke! Fear mongering at its best!

Mark
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Gerard wrote in

Seasons Greetings Polite Society Podcast hosts,

Merry Christmas and a Happy New year to you all.

I have been a listener for a few years now and enjoy your show very much. I unfortunately live in New Jersey and know first hand how we don’t enjoy the 2A freedoms that the majority of our fellow countrymen and woman enjoy everyday. And it’s disheartening to hear it seems like every week somewhere in this country they keep whittling down your rights to keep and bear arms. If you want a taste of reality come here to New Jersey, New York, Connecticut just to name a few of the worst states. And see first hand how a law biding citizen who owns firearms fears arrest every time you pick up your firearms. Even in your own home. It only takes a phone call, picture on youtube or a tweet on twitter to get a knock or a swat team at your door here. So when you say it will never happen in my home state,Think again. It’s already there and waiting for the right time to disarm you. As we say here in New Jersey. What happens here will not stay here and its coming to you soon.

So a new years resolution for all your listeners in 2015 should be. Join your state 2A group,or NRA, 2nd amendment foundation or a state 2A group that is fighting a battle to keep 2A freedoms. And watch your politicians closely and speak up when you see them swaying to take your freedoms away. And the ones that do. Don’t vote for or Re-Elect them. As the Democrats say ” it’s only common sense”.

Keep up the the great show that you give us every week.

I wish all my gun totting brothers and sisters in this great country of ours a healthy happy and safe New Year.

Gun freedom for all.

Gerard

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We got a comment from the website

Wow, so much to comment on with this episode.
1. Thank you! This episode got me through a 60 minute bike ride in the gym. Working off my Christmas dinner.
2. Don’t tell the “Unnamed Trucker” but his podcast has, indeed, become my second favorite podcast, thanks to this one.
3. Martha McSally is a U.S. Air Force Academy graduate and former A-10 pilot and the first woman in U.S. history to fly a combat aircraft into enemy territory when she flew into Iraq. Her “bad A$$” bona fides go on and on. Check out McSally vs. Rumsfeld. Let’s hope she holds tight on 2nd amendment issues.
4. Love that you added Susan to the podcast in a prominent role. The contrasting voices, the additional exchange of ideas, and one more person to poke fun at Paul, keeps the podcast interesting.
5. I was intrigued by the dash cam discussion and it’s prompted me to consider adding one to my vehicle. There’s a lot to research on the features and capabilities. I started with a YouTube search on, “A Beginners Guide to Dashcams / Car DVR Cameras.” I’m hoping Paul can share what he currently uses, and what he’s considering as an upgrade.
6. Keep up the good work!

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And Greg in Bremerton sent another voicemail!

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Susan: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 297

 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, December 28th, 2014.  Happy new year.  I’m Rob Morse.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll tell you what Vik Khanna really wanted for Christmas.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU’s, an Oklahoma pastor protected his family against a home invader. So climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob:  and hang on! Because episode 297 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

John- Nothing gun related from me. My Christmas was spent eating great food and installing a new computer for my wife and a new larger hard drive for me. We then spent the weekend with my step-daughter and son-in-law. All in all, a good time.

 

Gary- Still here in Plano, TX visiting my parents and sister, still haven’t made it to the Guntry Club, plan is for Tuesday. Interesting fact Plano, TX is one of the few large cities that requires a college degree to become a police officer.

 

Rob- The five of us were sick for Christmas.  I got in a few minutes of dry practice with my brother, and I put in the gun springs I got for Christmas.

 

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Seg 2- News

1-We had Vik Khanna on our show before.  In He told us what he REALLY wanted for Christmas.

Dear Santa,

This year, I would like you to please bring large doses of common sense and a deeper appreciation of math and data to people who think guns are the problem. Come to think of it, if you could please give them all a certificate that allows them to go back to high school and repeat both algebra and logical reasoning classes, I would deeply appreciate it and it would probably help us all.

 

For my fellow gun-rights supporters, please bring reminders that we need to be better than our opponents. Be polite when they are rude. Be kind always in debate and action. Be of good humor when they are nothing but angry and irrational. Be consistently responsible with your firearm even though they think that’s an impossibility.

 

Finally, Santa, my kid wants to compete in 3-Gun when he’s older. Please bring me a good guide on choosing the right rifle for him. We’ve got the shotgun and handgun covered, but the rifle is new ground for us.

 

Merry Christmas to all.

Your big fan in St. Louis,

Vik Khanna

 

2- Even the Washington Post has to get into the Christmas spirit.. by pointing out that lots of guns were given as gifts.  When our listeners meet these new gun owners, please ask them when they will get some training.

 

Comment- Yes, that is hard to do since the District of Columbia has outlawed civilian ranges.

 

3-Munhall, Pennsylvania passed a city ordinance a few years ago.  The demanded that gun owners report lost or stolen weapons within 72 hours or face fines of 1000 dollars and up to 90 days in jail.  It is unclear if the penalties apply per incident or per firearm.  City  councilors repealed the ordinance due to threats of being sued.  Town solicitor Greg Evashavik said,

“Firearms are regulated by the state, and there (were) challenges raised to these local ordinances, whether or not local governments have the authority to regulate firearms. Recent legislation confirms that they may not.”

 

Several small Pennsylvania cities have done the same thing.  Democrat controlled Philadelphia and Pittsburgh are challenging the preemption law.

 

Rob- comment- Pre-emption works two ways.  Why isn’t some small Pennsylvania town ticketing drivers who are stopped without a firearm?

 

Gary 4- Legal briefs were due in the Peruta case last week.  Over 20 individuals and organizations weighed in with their reasons the full court should not review the case.  A three judge panel ruled that self-defense was sufficient reason to issue concealed carry licenses.  It was unconstitutional for San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore to demand greater reasons.  The Firearms Policy Coalition argued that the State lacks standing to defend the county’s interest in this case because it has no authority to grant, deny or revoke the licenses at issue. Those functions are expressly assigned under the law to local officers.  They further argue that the state does not have a stake in the case since they are not one of the injured parties.  The state itself denied that it was one of the injured parties when they were sued in the past for concealed carry violations.  Furthermore, California has no role in the enforcement of the

challenged policy: under California law, the State has no statutory authority to grant, deny or revoke concealed carry licenses.

 

Attorney Alan Gura argued for the Second Amendment Foundation and for Calguns in the case.  He said that the similar legal case of Richards vs Prieto was the straightforward path for an en-banc review, since the defendant, Yolo County Sheriff Ed Prieto, asked for a review while San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore had not.  Prieto could also ask for an appeal to the supreme court, while Gore would not.  Gura also argued that both the Richards and Peruta cases were suits brought against a county officials interpretation of state law rather than against the state law itself.

 

5- We commented on the crazy gun laws in Washington State in our last episode.  Most states recognize the right of self-defense to defend your life when threatened by another person.  A Washington state prosecutor charged a gun owner by claiming that the right to armed self-defense did not extend to defending yourself from attack by a dog.  An earlier trial court said the gun owner could claim a necessary defense, but that put the burden on the gun owner to prove the necessity with a preponderance of the evidence.  Claiming self-defense under Washington law puts the burden on the state prosecutor to show that the gun owner had not shown he acted in self defense beyond a reasonable doubt.  The Washington Court of Appeals sided with the gun owner and said there is a constitutional right to self-defense including killing animals where that action might violate game laws or other laws.

 

6- South Carolina representative Alan Clemmons was tired of schools with a “zero tolerance” policy toward firearms.  Clemmons drafted a bill to ensure rights of free expression are granted to school students including expression of gun-related topics. The bill requires a portion of the state-mandated study of the U.S. Constitution be devoted to the Second Amendment. It also established an annual student poster and essay contest.”  Quote “What started as school board attempts to stop students from bringing guns into school has turned into an anti-Second-Amendment movement, with significant social consequences.  We are raising a nation of children to believe that any mention of firearms, let alone their ownership, is socially unacceptable, if not evil.” close quote.

 

John 7- We often talk about safety at home.  How about at your workplace or on the public streets.  What about cases where your workplace IS the public streets?  A half-dozen Jacksonville, Florida firefighters were working on their equipment while refueling their ladder truck from city pumps.  The pumps are next to the fire station.  One of the firefighters was struck by a ricochet after the firemen were shot at in a drive by shooting.  There were bullet impact marks on the truck as well.  The fuel pumps were not hit. The fireman’s injuries did not require stitches.  The truck remained in service.

 

Rob-comment.  I understand some people are upset with a handful of police officers.  But..the millions of uniformed first responders are not your enemy.. you stupid idiot.  Don’t shoot our cops OR our firemen/EMTs.

 

8- Contained among the documents forced out by the Freedom of Information Act suit by Judicial Watch was a 60-page document that said Operation Fast and Furious was intended to foster more gun control. According to journalist Sharyl Attkisson, this document points to multi-agency participation in the operation. The participating agencies included the DEA, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the IRS, and the Phoenix PD in addition to ATF. Also was this talking point from ATF’s Public Affairs unit. “These cases demonstrate the ongoing trafficking of firearms by Mexican (drug trafficking organizations) and other associated groups operating in Arizona and the need for reporting of multiple sales for certain types of rifles in order to ferret out those intent on providing firearms to these criminal groups.” The ATF did finally get their wish and this multiple sales reporting requirement for certain semi-auto rifles is a regulation in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California.

 

John – And for ATF to get this regulation, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry had to die. That is sick.

 

9- We reported on the DGU from Charlotte, North Carolina where a 14 y.o. shot and killed a home intruder while protecting his grandmother in a past episode. Now it seems that family is being targeted for retaliation. George Wyant, his wife, and grandson were asleep on Tuesday when someone walked up to the house and fired several shots into the house. Wyant said, “My wife is scared to death, (my) grandson (is) scared to death every time they hear a noise,”. They ended up spending Christmas at another relative’s house while Charlotte-Mecklenburg detectives investigate this shooting.

 

Rob 10- Chicago Ridge Mall reopened this morning after closing early last night. There were over 100 youths in the food court where several fights broke out. Three pops were heard that started everybody stampeding for the exit.  Local news sources did not report gunfire, but Denver news stations reported shots fired. The mall is a posted gun free zone.  The police have no suspects.

 

John- Gun Quotes- “Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American…The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.”  – Tench Coxe, 1788 from Proclaiming Liberty by Philip Mullivor..

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Interveiw-

Kevin in Orange County, California.  You were not allowed to get a license until your sheriff, Sandra Hutchens, decided that self-defense was sufficient cause after the first ruling in the Peruta case.

new ccw in Orange County.  You and about 5 thousand others started carrying in Orange county this year.  Are you a new gun owner and old ccw?

Tell us about your history with firearms and concealed carry?

Expectations of the class

experience in the class

Expectations with County Sheriff’s office

experience w county sheriff

Expectations of EDC

experience with EDC

How often do you carry?

How did you work your way into carrying every day?

Other family who carry?

Encourage others to get their license in OC

http://ocsd.org/about/info/services/ccw

any help from cal guns or firearms policy coalition website?

 

Segment 4 DGUs

Rob1-Some police investigations take years.  This one didn’t take long.  Tim Vineyard lives in Oklahoma City.  Vineyard was in the newspapers back in 2011 when he wrote an open letter to the Oklahoma City Police Chief asking for fewer firearms regulations.  Vineyard is also the pastor at Windsor Hills Baptist Church.   Windsor Hills Baptist Church offered gun training sessions for its members, including children.

 

Vineyard was shopping for Christmas presents when his home alarm company called him warning of a break in.  The Pastor returned home and was attacked as he searched his bedroom.  Vineyard is a concealed carry holder.  He shot and killed his attacker.

Keontre Reese died of gunshot wounds.  Reese was awaiting trial for a previous break in.  Reese entered this home by tearing out a window air conditioner.  Reese hid in the bedroom closet when he heard the homeowner return.  Reese attacked the pastor when he entered the room.  Keontre Reese was 14 year old.

The county district attorney ruled this a case of justified self-defense.

Gary 2-I doubt this case will take much longer to no-bill this homeowner from Memphis Tennessee.  A 75 year old man came home to find three armed robbers in his home.  He told them to stop where they were.  They moved toward the concealed carry holder.  The elderly man drew his concealed handgun and fired several times.  18-year-old Jordan Mitchell and 20-year-old Melvin Atkins died from their gunshot wounds.  The 18 year old had prior arrests for aggravated robbery, felony theft, and others charges he received as a minor.  The third robber escaped.  The area has a long history of break ins and many of the residents have installed security cameras.  This particular home had been robbed before.

 

John- Also from Memphis.. A neighbor saw two men try to enter several houses in the neighborhood.  The two robbers knocked on a front door and a woman answered.  The two thugs forced the door open and put a gun to the woman’s neck.  Another occupant of the home heard them break in and grabbed his firearm.  He shot 22-year-old Nico Carlisle.   The other robber escaped.  Carlisle was pronounced dead on the scene.

 

Rob 3-Yes, Virginia, there are DGU’s.. even in Anaheim Hills, California.  This next DGU was sent in my listener Kevin from California.  Nathanael Blair had exchanged Christmas gifts with his family, and then went downstairs to move his truck into his garage.  He opened the garage door and was hit in the face with a pipewrench by a burglar wearing a skimask.  Blair climbed upstairs and locked the door to protect his wife and 3-year-old daughter.  Next he grabbed his shotgun and went back downstairs.  He shot the burglar.

 

Despite the wound, the suspect ran off. The homeowner called police and declined medical attention.  The burglar had attempted to enter several homes in the area.  The police caught the burglar a few hours later.  The burglar was being treated at a local hospital and will be charged with residential robbery following his release from the hospital.

 

Gary- If you step outside to get your car on your driveway you are in a public place according to California law.  That means you need a permit to walk to your car while you’re armed with a handgun.  Anaheim Hills is in Orange County.  The Orange County Sheriff now grants concealed carry for self-defense.  The homeowner could have had a permit and should get one now.

 

John 4-A 25 year old man was waiting in his car for his girlfriend to finish her shopping at a Walgreens Pharmacy in Madison Wisconsin.  19 year old Quincy Thompson approached the driver and pointed a gun at him.  Soon, the drivers 22 year old girlfriend came out of the store and the gunman pointed the gun at her.  This prompted the boyfriend to go for his own loaded weapon and point it at the robber. Thompson then reportedly said: “Go ahead and shoot me, I’m not afraid of you, I’m from the south side of Chicago and I’m not afraid of white people.” The couple called police, and the suspect fled. Police picked him up a short distance away.  Thompson was placed in a squad car, where he reportedly punched the windows and kicked the door from its frame.  Thompson was held on potential charges of using a facsimile firearm, resisting a police officer, two counts of disorderly conduct, possession of a laser pointer and underage consumption of alcohol.

 

Rob- comment- This is close to a drunk thug’s suicide suicide by concealed carry holder.

 

Rob- A Dallas Texas man saw a woman being beaten as she rode in an adjacent vehicle.  He drew his firearm and held the driver until police arrived.   Witnesses thought the man with a gun outside the car might have been a criminal.  Instead he was the defender.

Police arrested 28 year old MacMichael Nwaiwu. (Nwi- Wu)  He is now in the Keller jail.

 

Witnesses said, it’s amazing that in this day in age that people are willing to reach out and help.  I hope more people see this and are willing to go the extra mile for someone who like this woman, didn’t have a voice and couldn’t speak up for herself,” said Bryant.

The Tarrant County District Attorney’s Office does not believe the armed citizen broke any state laws.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.  You could save a life.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

Gary- This came from Tim in Kansas-

You asked why is this is my favorite podcast. I believe the reason is the following. The information provided by the podcast is accurate; current, accepted; understandable; applicable; and usable in real time (Actionable).

 

Wow, thank you, Tim.

 

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John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I posted an article called They Promised Us Peace about the new firearms restrictions in Washington State.  They passed more laws to stop those who don’t obey the law.  Restricting our right of self-defense does not make us safer.  Never has.  Never will.

 

Gary: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…stay safe

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!