Episode 272 – Shaneen Allen Gets Pre-Trial Intervention

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, September 24th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about self-defense news.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and defensive gun use.

Rachel: John, I already said we have news.

John, Yes, but we have a lot of news, so climb aboard.

Rachel : strap in

Rob: and hang on! Episode 272 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Rob- Cleaned all the handguns.  JPFO picked up one of my posts about my sheriff, William Gore.  That got me a few hundred hits on the website.  I went to the first meeting of a new chapter of Gun Owners of California here in San Diego.  I tried to set up an interview with a local gun store owner.  He’ll come on next Wednesday.  I toured a huge new indoor shooting range.  Dry practice.  I’d like to give a shout out to the podcast Guns Over Texas.  They mentioned our podcast the other day, and I’m a listener to theirs.

 

Rachel- nada. Just daily life. I’ll be at a BattleRoadUSA shoot this weekend testing out a new course of fire for a rifle marksmanship course, so I’ll report on that next time.

 

John – I received my new Kydex holster for my SIRT pistol. I’ve been both practicing drawing and dry firing. I’ve also been getting stuff ready for my trip to the Gun Rights Policy Conference. On a very serious note, I’d like our listeners to keep a long-time friend of the show, Bob Mayne, in your thoughts and prayers. He posted this afternoon on Facebook that he will be undergoing surgery this Friday to remove a tumor from his brain at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. He says he will have friends and family with him but he needs our prayers and support. He hopes to be home by Monday.

 

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Seg 2- News

 

John- In breaking news from New Jersey, Shaneen Allen will be allowed into a pre-trial intervention program. The Attorney General of New Jersey clarified a directive dealing with the state’s gun laws with respect to out-of-state visitors from states where their gun possession would be legal. He said that imprisonment is “neither necessary or appropriate”. Following that directive, Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain said, “”In applying the factors set out in the clarification, I determined that the defendant in this case should be offered the opportunity to be admitted into the Atlantic County PTI Program.  I have communicated that determination to the court and defense counsel.” This is great news.

 

Rachel Comment – It goes to show that when heat is properly applied, politicians will get in line.

Rob comment- what were they thinking when they prosecuted Brian Aitken?  New Jersey also needs to lighten up on its own citizens.

 

Rob- Let’s continue with good news.  When California police don’t have a crime with which to prosecute honest firearms owners.. they invent a crime.  Too often this becomes a case of he said, she said, where the judge believes the police officer despite contradictory evidence.  This time was different.  Mindy Costa was charged with transporting her firearms illegally in an unlocked case.  The police video shows that the case was locked.  In other words, the policeman lied.  The police then scrambled to find some crime with which to charge Ms Costa so the department could avoid a charge of malicious prosecution.

 

Torrance, California has a little know local ordinance that prohibited the carrying of firearms throughout the City of Torrance even if the firearms are carried in accordance with California law.  Ms Costa was transporting the firearms for self-defense, rather than work, trade, business, sport or recreation as allowed by law.  There is an exception if a handgun is carried by a concealed carry holder, but the Torrance police don’t issue carry permits.  Ms Costa’s lawyer said she would not accept a plea deal to the misdemeanor charges.  In effect, the Torrance regulation is a complete ban on the purchase, possession and use of a gun for  self-defense at home.

 

Ms Costa submitted a series of letters and dialog with the City Attorney’s Office challenging the ordinances as a violation of the Second Amendment and as being preempted under California law.  Finally, the city attorney agreed.  Costa’s lawyer said she would file a lawsuit unless the regulations were rescinded in 60 days.

 

On August 12 the ordinance to repeal the unlawful sections of their codes were brought up for a second reading as required by law and the motion passed unanimously.  This happened because one person was willing to stand by her innocence.

 

John comment- God this sounds like a corrupt southern sheriff.

Rob- it is southern California.  But Ms Costa is also from southern California.

comment-  For a while there I needed to read the article to tell if it was Torrance, California.. or Newark, New Jersey.

 

Rachel -The next news article reminds me of the corrupt Garden State of New Jersey, but in fact it is from New York.  Dwayne Ferguson is an anti-gun activist.  He lobbied for laws that make carrying a firearm on school grounds a felony.  He also brought a firearm on school grounds and was arrested.  In New Jersey they’d sentence him to a decade in prison.  In New York they’d sentence you or me to 4 years.  But things are different when you’re politically connected.  On Monday, Judge John L. Michalek sentenced Ferguson to 100 hours of community service, and a conditional discharge.

 

John comment- it is a close race to see which state is the most politically corrupt.

 

John -Another corrupt Sheriff helped change the laws in Alabama, if only be being a horrible example to others.  Aaron Williams was a reserve deputy in Washington County, Alabama.  Williams worked for the prior sheriff, William Wheat.  Williams had a permit to carry for the last 14 years.  That stopped when he supported the old sheriff in an election and the new sheriff took exception.  Sheriff Richard Stringer tore down the campaign signs of his opponent, and in some cases, replaced the signs with his own.  Then the sheriff refused to give concealed carry licenses to the opponent’s supporters.  That is why Williams recorded sheriff Stringer.  Sheriff Stringer said, “As hard as you fought me, and as many of my signs as you tore down, son … you crapped in your nest with me. Don’t you stub your toe.”

 

State Sen. Scott Beason of Gardendale credited the recording posted on Youtube with helping to pass a bill he sponsored last year that loosened restrictions on Alabama pistol permits.   Now Sheriff Stringer has less discretion to deny carry permits.  That wasn’t enough for Aaron Williams.  Williams left Washington County and moved to Mississippi.

 

Rachel comment- power corrupts, and the power to deny the right of self defense is obviously too much temptation for this small Alabama Sheriff.

 

Rob comment- This reminds me of the corrupt Milwaukee DA that scoured his department trying to find out who exposed his political vendettas.  The leaker was a lawyer who had to leave the county after he was discovered and the press harassed his elementary school age children.

 

Rob-Speaking for corrupt cities like Milwaukee and Chicago.. 36 people were shot last weekend in Chicago including 12 and 16 year old boys.  Four of them died.

 

John comment- how is that gun-control working out for you, Rahm?

Rachel comment- It works for Rahm.  It stinks for the rest of the citizens.

 

Rob-You may not like politics.  You may dislike politicians from both parties.  That is good for the anti-gun billionaires who want you to sit home and drink rather than help a candidate and make phone calls.  Billionaire Michael Bloomberg handed out endorsements this week, and the endorsements came with some sizable checks.  Among the candidates receiving backing are 32 candidates for state offices, 61 vying for House seats and 17 running for the U.S. Senate.

 

In the Senate, the group is endorsing vulnerable incumbent Democratic Senators like Kay Hagan (N.C.), Mark Udall (Colo.) and Mary Landrieu (La.), as well as Rep. Bruce Braley (D-Iowa).  Braley is battling for the seat to be vacated by retiring Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa).

 

Rachel comment- Vote check.  Tell me you’re registered to vote.

John comment – And Bloomberg isn’t the only one supporting these anti-gun incumbents with money. So are Americans for Responsible Solutions who have made them priority campaigns.

 

Rachel- And speaking of Bloomberg and his Moms Demanding Action, Alison Martin is head of the New York Chapter. In addition to being anti-gun, she seems to be ignorant of history as well. On Twitter yesterday, she was engaging in a war of words with pro-gun activists. One person noted a quote from Nazi propaganda minister Josef Goebbels saying “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.” Ms. Martin responded “Mr. Goebbels’ words are wise words to live by.”

 

John Comment – you just can’t make stuff like this up!

 

John- The National Shooting Sports Foundation did its research and reported on the expected effects of California’s ban on hunting with lead ammunition.  They presented their report at a public hearing of the Wildlife Resource Committee of the California Fish and Game Commission.  Non-lead ammunition is not available for about half of hunting calibers, and the report found the California ban will cause severe shortages nationwide. California’s ban will at least triple the price of ammunition, driving more than one-third of the state’s hunters to hunt less or stop hunting completely. The expected loss of more than 50,000 hunters in California will cause a loss of millions of dollars in salaries and in tax revenue.

 

Rob comment- votes have consequences.

Rachel comment- there is a similar lead-ban proposed in Oregon last week.  Oregon gun owners, if you snooze you’ll lose.

 

Rob-Yes votes have consequences, but different states are different.  Let me remind you that the democrat controlled legislature in Colorado passed anti-gun bills last year and also raised taxes.  Democrat Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper signed them into law.  Colorado citizens then recalled two state senators, including the democrat senate majority leader, John Morse.  Those anti- gun votes continue to have consequences.  Michael Bloomberg said thier anti-gun vote would guarantee the politicians a wave election.  And it might.. sort of.  Colorado Republican Bob Beauprez(BOO-PRAY) leads incumbent Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper by 10 points in the latest polls.  Representative Beauprez among likely voters, 50 percent to 40 percent. The two candidates are essentially even among female voters, while Mr. Beauprez has a 20-point lead among male voters at 54 percent to 34 percent. The Republican challenger also leads the incumbent by 13 points, 50 percent to 37 percent, among independent voters.  The poll has an error of plus or minus 2.8 percent.

 

Rachel comment- Senor Hickenlooper, this wave election.. it does not mean what you think it means.

 

Rachel -Since we’re talking about polls, a recent poll in Utah had some encouraging results.  Sixty-four percent of Utahns are in support of teachers carrying concealed weapons in school.  The poll was released by UtahPolicy.com. As you’d expect, appointed police chiefs in Utah took offense.  Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank agrees with the 33 percent polled who said kindergarten through 12 grade teachers should not carry concealed weapons in the classroom.  The poll surveyed 395 Utahns representing each county in Utah. Participants were asked if they thought teachers should be allowed to carry concealed weapons in the classroom, and if they were aware that Utah law allows them to do so without having to tell parents or school administration.  Four out of five thought a concealed weapon in the classroom made schools safer.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

 

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John- Legislation introduced Wednesday in the House of Representatives would dissolve the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Representative Jim Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin introduced the bill.  The bill would transfer the ATF’s responsibilities to other agencies in the Justice Department. Sensenbrenner said “The ATF is a largely duplicative, scandal-ridden agency that lacks a clear mission.  It is plagued by backlogs, funding gaps, hiring challenges and a lack of leadership. For decades it has been branded by high profile failures.”  Gun owners know that one of the notorious ATF failures was Operation Fast and Furious that walked thousands of firearms into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels.

 

Rob comment- the bill won’t pass the Senate, but I like it anyway.

John – comment – I have to disagree. It is better to keep firearms regulation under an inept agency which gets no respect than put it on the FBI who gets a pass most of the time even when they kill a mother with a child in her arms as at Ruby Ridge.

 

Rachel -All firearms bills are not equal, because some can be misused.  This is an election year, so many politicians are trying to be noticed.  They propose bills that pretend to be hard on crime.  The real question is whether the law will stop violent crime or simply turn gun owners into convicted felons.  Missouri State Senator Jamilah Nasheed intends to introduce a bill setting a ten year minimum penalty for gun crimes.  This is also a trap for perfectly innocent people going about their daily lives.  The question for Missouri gun owners is if Senator Nasheed’s bill is the usual anti- gun catch all bill that criminalizes most lawful gun uses.  I hope our listeners will keep us informed.

 

Rob -From the same people who brought you TSA and want to lose your health care information.. there have been more misadventures with the National Instant Criminal Background Check System under the Federal Bureau of Investigation.  The system was down for two hours on Friday, and had been down eight times earlier in the week.  The system started experiencing problems when the FBI implemented the Next Generation Identification system.  This new system merges facial features, scans irises, and reads palm and fingerprints to identify criminals.  All this is to replace the single Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System. The outages affected both NICS Contracted Call Centers and NICS E-Check.

 

Rachel comment- I’m sorry, please call back later.  We’re experiencing technical difficulties and your rights are unavailable at this time.

 

John -Denying rights in Washington leads us to this next story from the District of Columbia city council.  A federal district judge said the city must allow concealed carry for district residents and for visitors.  The District asked to indefinitely postpone implementing the judges ruling.  It isn’t surprising, but the judge rejected the request.  The judge went further.  District Court Judge Frederick J. Scullin Jr. denied a motion to delay the implementation of his ruling if the decision is appealed.  DC lawmakers wrote legislation that would only grant the right to carry arms to a small number of individuals.  DC citizens would first have to prove they had a “good reason” to carry a firearm. The bill’s sponsor Council Chairman Phil Mendelson said he doubts that they will have more than a couple hundred permits issued a year from now.

 

Rob comment- in other words, the DC city council adopted New Jersey legislation.

John comment-  Looks like it.  We’ll see if that satisfies Judge Scullin.

Rob comment- I read some of their speeches justifying more regulation and I had to laugh.  They cite example of example where their gun control regulations completely failed.. And then they say that is the reason they need more of the same.

comment- insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

 

Rachel -Speaking of New Jersey.. where human rights go to die. New Jersey just raised its court fees. Permits to carry a handgun would now cost $50, up from $20.  Appealing a denial of a permit to buy a handgun, which currently does not have a fee, would now cost $50,

 

Rachel Last month, we reported on the proposed Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commision rule change that would allow the sale of alcohol at gun shows but also potentially end gun shows as we know them with stiff new regulations. At the public hearing, TABC members heard testimony from a roomful of gun owners and gun groups who opposed the new rule as it was proposed. Yesterday, TABC voted to withdraw the proposed rules changes. It seems that the only people disappointed will be those with the Dallas Safari Club – the ones who originally requested this rule.

 

Rob Comment- Sometimes, having enough money DOESN’T get you want you want.

 

John -Talk about the agenda at the GRPC

the conference starts this Friday, and it is free.  Registration opens at 7pm, and then they have a free reception with a cash bar.  Here are some of the speaker’s I’m looking forward to hear, and to talk with during the breaks.

Jeff Knox, Larry Pratt, Stephen Halbrook, Philip Van Cleave, Scott Bach, Jim Wallace, Andrew Rothman, Tom Gresham, Dan Schmutter, David Jensen, David Kopel, John Fund, George Owens, John Lott, Massad Ayoob, John Edeen, Chris Bird, Gene Hoffman, Alan Korwin, Robert Young, Timothy Wheeler, Tim Schmidt, Charles Heller, David Codrea,

 

Rob comment- Anthony Colandro and John Pierce will be there too.

John comment- what about Emily Miller, Bob Owens, Kathy Jackson and Fredy Reil?

 

Rachel Gun Quotes- If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. – Winston Churchill

 

Rachel– Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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John -It’s been a while since we’ve reported on a DGU from Detroit. Yesterday afternoon around 4pm a man was working in his backyard when he caught two men trying to break into his storage building. After one of the men acted like he had a gun, the homeowner shot him in the chest with a shotgun. The burglar is reported in stable condition. Meanwhile, police picked up the other man as he tried to flee. Police say the homeowner did the right thing and had a right to protect himself. They will, however, leave the final decision to the prosecutor’s office.

 

Rob – A homeowner in Van Nuys, California found an intruder in his guest house at 11 pm.  The homeowner and the intruder fought after the intruder threatened to kill the homeowner.  The intruder hit the homeowner with a glass measuring cup and followed the homeowner towards the main house.  The homeowner grabbed his firearm.  The intruder threatened to kill the homeowner and the homeowner shot the intruder, 25 year old Grachia Nalbandyan, in the hip.  Nalbandyan then tried to steal a car to escape. He has an extensive criminal record and is on federal probation for possession of a firearm.  Nalbandyan was denied bail because the break-in was a violation of his probation.

 

Rachel -Burt’s Meat Market has been on Lyons Avenue in Houston, TX for more than 60 years. The manager said in all that time they’ve never been robbed and he’s never had to touch the gun he keeps in the store until last night.  A thief walked into the store and pointed his gun at the teenage clerk’s face.  The store manager saw the gunman from the back room.  He fired twice and struck the thief in the back of the head.  The robber stumbled out of the door and was able to run away, as the search for the robber continues.  The manager said “I looked out a window and all I could see was his hand with a pistol. I didn’t know what to do.  (it was) just spur of the moment.  I just did what I had to do. Everything happened and I did it on instinct. I was just worried about everyone else in here.”

 

John -Dog attacks can be really scary. A Spokane, Washington man found that out when a roaming pitbull attacked his 10-year old German Shepherd service dog as they walked to a store. The man, after kicking the pitbull and hitting it on the muzzle with his pistol, was forced to shoot the pitbull in the side to stop the attack. The service dog’s vest saved him from serious wounds. The pitbull was taken to an emergency vet hospital. Police say the man is not likely to face any charges for shooting the pitbull.

 

Rob- A store clerk at a Marathon gas station in Canton, Ohio faced a 3 on 1 attack and lived to tell about it. After one of the three masked robbers shot him in the leg and hip, he returned fire killing two of the three attackers. 21 year old Ronny Lawson and 23 year old Antonio Gracia were both pronounced dead at local hospitals. The third robber is still on the loose. Det. Capt. Dave Davis said that Lawson and Gracia has long criminal records and they are now looking to see if they were involved in other armed robberies in the area. The clerk who was shot is recovering from his wounds and a second clerk in the store at the time was unharmed. An interesting sidebar to this story is that the clerk that was shot was legally open carrying his pistol at the time of the attempted robbery.

 

Rachel – A thief had been burglarizing a number of condominiums in Palatine, Illinois.  A condo-owner came home late Thursday morning and found Noah Perlman in her bedroom.  Perlman was armed with a hammer and large screwdriver.  The homeowner retrieved her handgun and held Perlman for police.  The thief was charged with residential burglary, felony possession of stolen property valued at over $10,000, forgery of a stolen check, and possession of a controlled substance.

 

Rob comment- Do you really have time to get a gun from a safe AFTER you arrive home and find an intruder?

Rachel- comment- Gun check.  Where is your gun?  I have mine right here.

 

Rob- John, did you mention that you have a Ruger LCR?  I noticed that the LCR is now available for 9mm with moon clips.

John – I have the original Ruger LCR in .38 Special +P. I’d love to have the new LCR in 9mm. Moon clips will make reloads really quick.

 

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  The stories and links are a great way to introduce the podcast to a friend.

 

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Rachel- John do you want to mention anything from your blog you would like to talk about?

 

John- I just renewed my Curios and Relics FFL. What was interesting about that was a question on the renewal application. This was the first time in 18 years that I was asked if I have conducted or intend to conduct internet sales of firearms. If yes, list websites from which you conduct your internet business. I’m wondering if they was a sop to the gun prohibitionists who have been making sales of firearms using the internet a cause celebe. As I said, why this question and why now?

 

John- Rob, do you want to mention anything from you blog?

 

Rob- I’ll have an article out early next week.  It drives me crazy when people criticize women for learning self-defense.  Defending yourself is NOT enabling rape culture.

 

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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  John, Paul, Susan and I will be at the Gun Rights Policy Conference this weekend.  That means we’ll record again next Wednesday and post the podcast next Saturday if things go according to plan.  Until next time… stay safe,

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Episode 271 – How much is a suppressor in China?

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, the 20th of September, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about homemade weapons showing up in China
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Baylor university approving concealed carry on campus
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we will also have a discussion about water storage
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 271 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul- Didn’t get the show that was supposed to go out on Wednesday out on time. It released just this morning. Went shopping for a new handgun for my beautiful blushing bride Susan. She decided on the Glock 23. The store that we support with our business didn’t have one in stock so we ordered it and it should be in late this week, just about the time that GRPC starts.

Got a new Concealment Solutions holster. LOVE the Sidewinder Pro. I never thought that I would like any holster better than the Black Mamba CE however Jason outdid himself with this one. Just like the Black Mamba, this is a hybrid holster, the Sidewinder pro is a outside the waistband hybrid holster. That means that it is both leather and kydex. It also has a thumb break retention strap. I haven’t totally retired the black mamba, however I wore the new sidewinder all this week while I was on the road and I absolutely am in love with this holster. The only negative that I can find is that I have to get used to adjusting my belt to a tighter hole, however that does have the added benefit of making it look like I lost a little bit of weight!

I also have a tiny bit of a rant, if you have an NRA, SAF, GOA, S&W, Glock or other sticker on your back window of your car or pickup PLEASE drive courteously. I don’t have one on my pickup for theft deterrent reasons, but if you have one and you are driving like an idiot you are giving us all a bad name.

John – I couldn’t agree more with Paul on this. I only have my NRA Life Member sticker on my car and you have to look to see it. As for gun stuff, I had planned to take my new rifle to the range and sight it in. I didn’t get to the range but I did take the rifle apart to learn more about it. Found out it assembled on a FN Mauser action from a 1951 Belgian Navy rifle with a barrel made in Pennsylvania. The gunsmith who crafted this rifle also glass bedded the stock.

Rachel- I haven’t been doing much with politics and guns the past few days, beyond working on raising a responsible citizen to join the coming generation of polite society. I really enjoyed his team’s football game Friday – not only because we won soundly, but also because of the great sportsmanship Jordan’s team showed. They played with passion and heart, but every time after they routed the other team during a play, as soon as it was over, they were there giving their opponents a helping hand. That speaks well of becoming a great citizen.

Gary – new products available to order – including ammo.

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Paul-The state of Hawaii denied firearms permits to legal permanent residents because they were not yet citizens.  That practice was appealed and found unconstitutional.  A federal district court ruled that the practice was invalid under the Equal Protection Clause and the Second Amendment.  If the state has any concern justifying the regulation of firearms, the exclusion of legal non-citizens is not narrowly tailored to meet that concern.  The case said is was permissible to deny firearms ownership to illegal residents.  The case is sure to be appealed.

Rachel- Legal private firearms ownership is virtually non-existent in the People’s Republic of China. However, for 2,200 Yuan (about $320 US) you can get a black market Type 64 pistol with silencer and 5 cartridges. It should go without saying that Chinese gun laws are very strict. However, this story from the China Daily goes to show that even in the most authoritarian of countries, gun control doesn’t work.

John – The Student Senate at Baylor University gets it. On Thursday, they voted to approve a resolution that would allow students and others who have concealed handgun permits to carry their guns on the Waco campus. Unsurprisingly, school spokeswoman Lori Fogleman tells the Waco Tribune-Herald that Baylor officials believe allowing the guns would create security challenges. Texas law allows college students with concealed carry licenses to have guns in a locked compartment in their car on campus. Any changes would have to be approved by the University’s Board of Regents.

Paul – The gun control group North Carolinians Against Gun Violence is so desperate for publicity that they held a vigil on Friday evening for a convicted felon killed in a shootout with another man. Nigel Scarlett had been previously convicted of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and was known to be in the drug trade. According to the lawyer for the man who shot Scarlett, the man had no criminal record and shot Scarlett in self-defense after being threatened by him. He suspected Scarlett was behind the home invasion that left his cousin and her boyfriend dead.

Comment – They picked a real winner there.

Comment – Sure would have been nice if they cared as much about honest folks threatened by the likes of Scarlett and others.

Rachel – The billboards supporting Shaneen Allen that Frank Fiamingo told you about here are starting to attract the attention of the New Jersey mainstream media. My9NJ in their Chasing New Jersey segment brought attention to these billboards and had an interview with both Frank and NJ State Sen. Jeff Van Drew. Van Drew, a Democrat, is sponsoring a bill that would give judges the same discretion that Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain has. If you watch the whole episode, you can tell the news staff is sympathetic to Shaneen Allen.

John – There will be a benefit fish fry to support Shaneen Allen and her sons. The event is being held in Philadelphia on October 11th and 12. As the sponsors say, this event is to help support a single mom fighting to keep from being separated from her children over a honest mistake. If you are in the area, we’d urge you to attend.

Paul – The Republican Leader of the NJ Assembly Jon Bramnick has weighed in on the Shaneen Allen case saying, “”This is a case, where a woman with no criminal record, should not go to jail.” He acknowledges that she made a serious mistake but thinks the charge should have been something like disorderly conduct. He noted that Ms. Allen would have had no problems in at least 30 other states. Bramnick also endorsed legislation nicknamed Shaneen’s Law that would lessen the penalties faced by legal concealed carry permit holders who get ensnared in NJ’s laws. The proposed law would mandate pre-trial intervention instead of a minimum of 3 ½ years in prison.

Rachel – Thursday, Reps. Diane Black (R-TN-06) and Ted Poe (R-TX-02) introduced the FIREARM (Freedom From Intrusive Regulatory Enforcement of Arbitrary Registration Mandates) Act – legislation to prohibit the federal government from requiring race or ethnicity to be disclosed in connection with the purchase of a firearm. The ATF changed Form 4473 in 2012 to require the disclosure of race and ethnicity citing a 20-year old OMB mandate. As Rep. Black notes, failure of the purchasers to check the appropriate box can result in the ATF shutting down a dealer’s business for incomplete forms.

Gun Quotes
John – A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.(bo͝orZHwäˈzē) (middle class) — VLADIMIR ILYICH LENIN

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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John -A U.S. Army veteran who never fired a shot while serving in Afghanistan found himself exchanging gunfire earlier this week.  27 year old Shaun Cooper and his family were at home.  A teenager knocked on the door, and then began shooting into the house.  Cooper grabbed his own firearm.  The teen saw Cooper through a window, and fired at him.  Cooper shot back and dropped the teenager.  The teenager is in stable condition at a local hospital.  Las Vegas Police believe the teen was attacking the family after arguing with Cooper’s 14 year old brother.

Rachel -A man posted on Craigslist that he had a rifle for sale.  Three men came to look at it.  They examined the rifle then turned it around and pointed it at the seller.  They then tried to rob him of his valuables.  The seller pulled his handgun and told the men to lie on the ground because he knew his handgun was loaded and he knew the rifle he’d handed them wasn’t.  The seller then grabbed his rifle and ran away to call police.  The three men were arrested and booked into jail in Hanover County, North Carolina.

Paul – Our listeners understand that the right to keep and bear arms is about more than just firearms. It includes knives and swords and other implements of defense such as spears. Jimmy Wilson is an active participant in SCA – the Society for Creative Anachronism – and he keeps a short spear by his bed. And it was a short spear that he used to protect himself against a home invader in Wichita Falls, Texas on Wednesday night. The home invader, Thomas McGowan, was lucky to escape with just cuts to his hands and shoulder. As Mr. Wilson said, “I am a Christian man and I don’t want to take life, however I want to make sure that he (McGowan) understands that his life was mine to take. I let him have it.” Police found McGowan a few blocks away from Wilson’s house. After taking him to the hospital to be treated for his wounds, McGowan was charged with criminal trespass, DUI, and evading police with an automobile.

John – A man attempting to rob a Wisconsin truck driver who was working a job in San Antonio Thursday night got more than he bargained for after the trucker pulled out his firearm and used it to protect himself. Joshua McCann was in San Antonio to pick up a motorcycle and then deliver it to Michigan. The robber approached McCann saying he was a cop. When McCann asked to see his badge, the robber said he was going to steal McCann’s truck. That’s when McCann pulled his firearm and shot the robber three times killing him. Police confirmed McCann’s story with bystanders and employees of the motorcycle shop.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 270 – John Pierce

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday September 17th 2014. I’m John Richardson
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have John Pierce to discuss the Washington State firearms initiatives.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and defensive gun use, so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on! Episode 270 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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John – I really haven’t done anything gun related since last week between visiting my step-daughter who is “with child” and work. I do hope to get out this Saturday to sight in some rifles.

Rob- I went to a new range nearby that opened a few weeks ago. I’m trying to get a tour so I can review them.

Rachel- I took advantage of a break in between students to run out to the range and shoot my newly set-up AR. I knew I was gonna love it, I just had no idea it was going to be THAT much fun. It was. :)

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John -You are the first responders.  That is hardly news to our listeners, but it is wonderfully refreshing to hear it from the county coroner in Winston County, Mississippi. Coroner Scott Gregory is fed up with the rash of home and car burglaries in the Louisville, Mississippi  area.  He posted on his facebook page “sit down before you read this.  I’m not encouraging anyone to go on a killing spree. If more folks would handle their own business, I think we would stop getting these calls of houses being broken into.  I say shoot the idiots and call the coroner!”  40 year old Scott Gregory isn’t your average coroner. He’s has been a radio host for 20 years and how hosts a morning show on a classic rock station.  He was a fireman and funeral home worker and was elected coroner in 2003.

Rob – Our listeners are also the first responders to defend our rights.  We received a message from the Minnesota gun owners political action committee.  Anti-self-defense activist Gabby Giffords and her husband Mark Kelly have been spreading their anti-gun money around the Minnesota election.  Giffords and Kelly spent more than $130,000 on a direct mail campaign supporting anti-gun politicians in Minnesota.

We will lose our right of self-defense if we sit back and do nothing.  Sending 15 dollars a year to the NRA is not enough.  Are you registered to vote?  Do you support and volunteer your time to candidates who defend your human rights?  The election season is here.

Rachel – Here is more on politics.  We reported a month ago when Washington DC lost a court decision.  The court told them to allow concealed carry for residents and visitors.  Mayor Vincent C. Gray, D.C. Council Chairman Phil Mendelson and council member Tommy Wells will announce details of the gun-carry proposal today.  We know the city council will put barriers in the way of concealed carriers.  Preliminary reports show the city will adopt a restrictive “demonstrated need” approach to concealed carry.  This is modeled after the laws of Hawaii, New Jersey, Maryland and Massachusetts.

DC residents would have to complete the onerous DC firearms permit process as well as additional safety and training requirements.  City officials say the bill will meet the letter of the law since they will “provide a means for those responsible and suitable firearms owners who can show they have a legitimate need for it to obtain a permit to carry a weapon in public in a concealed manner.”  The city’s police chief would have the authority to deny concealed-carry permits to those who don’t meet the standards.  Permit holders would also be barred from carrying guns in locations including government buildings, public transportation, bars and restaurants, stadiums and places where public officials need to be protected.

John – We have sore news on Panera Cafe.  Panera came out with an anti-gun stand last week when they “requested” that patrons leave their guns at home.  You and I resent the request to be disarmed victims.  We are not alone.  A poll by CNBC proves that point again.  By a ten-to-one ratio, respondents said this decision by Panera Bread Cafes made them think worse of Panera.  Only 9 percent approved the decision.  THAT is news you won’t hear on NBC or in a press release from a Bloomberg astroturf group.

rob – Kochanski’s Concertina Beer Hall was robbed a year ago.  Three men walked into the bar and staged a robbery.  Two of them were armed.  The bar owner shot two of them and killed one of the robbers before the thieves ran away.  100 people celebrated the event this year at Kochanski’s by taking a free concealed carry training class.

Rachel comment- I read the old article about the robbery and self-defense shooting and there were hundreds of comments in support.

John comment- this really is a neighborhood bar.  This is the second concealed carry class they had in the bar.  They had the first class nine days after the shooting last year.

Rachel- Voters in Alabama will vote on a state constitutional amendment designed to protect their right to bear arms for self-defense.  The amendment would preserve their legal rights even if the Second Amendment of the US Constitution were overturned or limited by federal judges.  If federal courts said that sheriffs could deny the right to bear arms, then the Alabama constitution would limit the right of state officials to infringe the right to legally bear arms.

John – Gun Quotes

The show used to be called politics and guns, and we are a few weeks away from the next election.  Our quote is “If your answer to every failure of government is MORE government, then you are like an alcoholic trying to drink yourself sober,” said Will Spencer

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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John Pierce- Washington initiative 594.  Assault weapons bans have failed.  Assault weapons were never a problem.  Gun control advocates now want to impose “universal background checks”.   Background checks are a way to register firearms.  This also requires a background check for any “transfer”.  594 increases the waiting period from 5 days to 10 days for all handguns.  A SBR requires a transfer.  They want to make firearms ownership too cumbersome to be practical.  Every firearm in the state requires registration.  This law does not read like the rest of Washington legislation.  It looks like this law was copied from New York legislation.

-DC proposes more regulation for concealed carry.  We have a statement of intent from the DC city council.  They want a “may issue” system based on an immediate need.  You need prior police reports to justify your future need.  The need requirement was approved by the 4th circuit court.  Reciprocity would depend on demonstrated need as well.

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Rachel- Stupid runs in this family.  Three men cased a Houston convenience store.  One came back wearing a mask and waving a shotgun at the owner and his family.  That is when 20-year-old Usman Seth snatched the 9mm Smith & Wesson handgun out of his father’s hands and shot the thief.  The thief fired back while Seth yelled at the thief to drop his weapon.  Seth finally shot him again and killed him.  Paramedics removed the thief’s mask and the store employees recognized the thief.  The thief’s brother came to the store the next day and threatened to murder the family.  The store had been robbed several times before.

Rob Comment- I hope the Houston police put the fear of death into the thiefs family.

John – Comment- it won’t be long until the dead robber’s family claim he was a good person and was turning his life around.

Rob – 60 year old Todd Taylor went to his estranged wife’s home in Swatara, Pennsylvania.  He fired several times at her home with his shotgun.  He walked inside and shot through doors, wounding people barricaded inside.  The homeowner’s nephew fled the house, but then returned and shot Taylor.  The nephew then disarmed Taylor and waited for police to arrive.  County prosecutors will not file charges.

John?- An employee for an armored car company walked up to a bank in Lakewood, Washington.  He noticed a man wearing an obvious disguise standing outside the bank.  Instead of entering the bank, he contacted another armored car employee inside.  As the armored car guard approached from inside the bank, the robber drew his weapon and fired.  The guard fired in self-defense.  The robber was hit in the head and the thigh, but managed to limp to a getaway car.  The criminal was later dumped at a near by hospital and rushed into surgery.  Police are looking for the female driver of the getaway car.

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(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

I did a post on Saturday morning about an offer from the Americans for Responsible Solutions – the Gabby Giffords – Mark Kelly organization. They were giving away a copy of their new book for a donation of ANY size. I gave them $1 and think that it will cost them about $7 plus for the book and postage. As Mike Vanderboegh said, quoting Chairman Mao, it is the duty of every guerrilla to sap the strength of his enemy by existing off that enemy’s substance. As I said, that is $6 plus dollars that won’t be going to their anti-gun cause.

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 269 – Frank Fiamingo

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday, September 14th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll discuss some updates in the Shaneen Allen prosecution with Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly news and self-defense stories.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: and strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 269 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rachel- I visited with Texas GOP Chairman Steve Munisteri at a local Republican club meeting last week and reminded him about the resolution we passed at the State Convention in June to prioritize gun legislation. Hopefully he will encourage the State Republican Executive committee to take up that issue. However, it looks like we’re going to have to wait until the December meeting for that; I attended the quarterly SREC meeting yesterday and, unfortunately, gun right legislation was nowhere on their radar.

Sometimes political activism involves high-energy, fast-action, heavily-involved intense work. This weekend was quite the opposite. On the surface, nothing was accomplished for gun rights or liberty. It was the slow, behind-the-scenes work of meeting people in positions of authority and power, networking, holding them accountable, letting them know we WILL be back, and being supportive of those who have supported us in the past. Our time is all limited, and political activism can be discouraging; I believe we must each pick what we feel is the most valuable way to use our time. For me, this past weekend, that was the SREC meeting, and I’m glad I went.

Rob- Steel shoot with two new shooters. The other three friends that were supposed to join me called in sick. I chose the slow and sure approach and had one miss out of 30 targets. That was good enough to win a pin.

Paul – Had Monday and Tuesday off for truck repairs and since I want to go to GRPC I worked Saturday. That means that we record this one on Sunday. I did get some exciting gun related stuff done this week though. I secured the range for 2 REALLY cool weekends next year. We have already released that Bob Mayne and Ben Branam are coming up to do their Beyond Concealed Carry class in May, and Just this week we finalised plans for Kathy Jackson to come back to Sioux Falls next August to to another Cornered Cat co-ed class! I have one more that I am working on that I am SUPER excited about that just isn’t ready to talk about yet. I REALLY wish that I could because it is super cool, but stay tuned I hope to be able to give out details in the near future.

Had a bit of a scare when I got to SF last night. I was backing my truck into a spot at a receiver where we do drop trailer loads. There wasn’t supposed to be anyone there, and as I drove around the building there wasn’t. As I finished my back a SUV pulls around to the back of the building (where I am backing in) and has it’s bright lights shining right at my truck. (when I back I have the driver’s side window rolled all the way down and at some points in the back I am actually sticking my head out of the window as I look back) I had no night vision now, and all I could see was these bright headlights pointing at me. I stopped the truck, set the breaks, rolled the window up and grabbed my phone. After a few minutes the SUV started rolling again and when he turned his headlights away from me I could see that it was the security patrol. Just a gentle reminder, if you are around a truck that is backing at night, even your low beams can hurt the drivers eyes if you are pointing them at the truck as he is backing up. High beams will mostly blind him and really get him paranoid.

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Episode 268 – Kids and Guns

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, September 10th, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use. so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rachel : and hang on! Episode 268 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rachel- You won’t believe it. I can’t believe it actually happened….but it’s true, I finally got those parts put on my gun, thanks to a great friend’s help. My AR now has a low-profile gas block, free-float handguard, BattleComp compensator, EOTech, and a couple of Magpul add-ons. Now I really can’t wait to go out and shoot the thing.

John – Since the weekend, it has been work, work, work. I did get time this afternoon to drop into my local surplus store and now have a great first aid kit. All I need to make it a blowout kit is a chest seal.

Rob- I had dry practice and a group training session. I’ll take a group to their first steel shoot this Saturday. I’m already excited that the Gun Rights Policy Conference is two weeks away. I’ve already had a friend say he can’t go due to financial problems.

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Rachel- Arizona is a gun friendly state.  Unfortunately this is the political season and there is a gun grabber in every crowd.. even in the Arizona legislature.   Democratic Representative Victoria Steele plans to introduce a bill to making it illegal to transfer an automatic firearm to anyone under the age of 16, including at a gun range.  There is never a shortage of politicians who want to limit your access to firearms.  Let me apologize to our democrat listeners.  I know these politicians don’t speak for you.

John Comment- So kids would be confined to shooting crew served weapons that sit on a tripod?  That doesn’t make sense.

John – We reported that a California District Court judge found aspects of the 10 day waiting period unconstitutional.  A similar case has been filed in Georgia.  The organization  Georgia Carry took a county sheriff to court over a county imposed mandatory 10-day waiting period on sales of used guns.  The suit names Sheriff Richard Roundtree as a defendant and is seeking the county’s ordinance on selling used weapons be overturned. The county ordinance places a mandatory 10-day hold on used firearms before a dealer can resell them. The gun rights group maintains this violates Georgia’s preemption law that prohibits counties and cities from regulating the sale of firearms.  10 days might once have been a reasonable time to report and detect a stolen firearm.  Now it takes seconds with electronic communications.

Rachel Comment- I hope the county pays up.

Rob – Here is a city that is getting an education in human rights.  The city spends money on parades and public events.  It spends money on security provided by city employees.  The city spends taxpayer money on sanitation services provided by city employees for these special events.  The city sets up public address systems.  So there you are as a member of the  public at.. say the fourth of July Celebration in a city park.. and the city says you have to leave your right of free speech at home.  The Idaho constitution protects the first amendment for speech and assembly.  The Idaho constitution also protects the right to bear arms in public.  That is why the Idaho Second Amendment Alliance is suing the city of Coeur d’Alene.  Fortunately Coeur d’Alene City Councilman Steve Adams has made Coeur d’Alene’s local ordinance – banning all weapons at parades and public assemblies – an issue since March of this year.  Councilman Adams again asked the council to allow people attending a local parade or assembly to carry firearms.

The Idaho Second Amendment Alliance asks firearms owners to attend the city council meetings in Emmett, Fruitland, Lewiston and Mountain Home as well.

John Comment- we asked you nicely, and since that didn’t work, here is a lawsuit you get to explain  to the voters.

rachel – We’ve heard anti- gun groups advocate making a panicked phone call to the police every time they see a firearm in public.  That may now land someone in jail for lying to the police.  21 year old John Crawford called police and said a man was waving a rifle around inside a Wal-Mart store.  Crawford said the man was pointing the rifle at children and threatening them.  Crawford said the gunman had shot people and was reloading to shoot again.  Police arrived and shot the gunman.

Video records indicate the shopper was carrying a pellet rifle he was buying at Wal-Mart.    The shopper was talking with his girlfriend at the time and was in a calm state of mind.   Now the witness, John Crawford is changing his story and says the shopper was never a danger to anyone.  Before he was shot, the shopper told the police  the firearm was not real.  Investigation showed the air-rifle was unloaded and the shopper did not have any pellets for it.  All of this was captured on security video.  All of Crawford’s statements are recorded on the 911 call.  The investigation brings Crawford’s actions as well as the actions of local police into question.  Local police turned the investigation over to the Ohio Attorney General.  A grand jury convenes on September 22.

john – Turnabout is fair play, and also funny.  The corporate management of Panera Bread Cafes asked gun owners to avoid their restaurant while carrying.  In response, a shooting range posted a sign asking patrons not to bring their full carb loaded automatically glycemic Panera bread into their range.

Rachel Comment- works for me.  I can avoid Panera.

Rob Comment- I remember Panera Bread.  An Omaha, Nebraska Panera Bread store was robbed and the armed robber forced the disarmed store employees to huddle in a bathroom until he left.

Rachel comment- Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal made a public statement supporting Panera’s no gun request, Quote “Another company does the right thing.  Panera Bread asks customers to leave guns at home.”

John – Comment – that would be the same Sen. Blumenthal that lied about his service in Vietnam.

rob – Here is another case of turnabout.  This time the police are claiming that their ignorance of the law justifies a false arrest.  We told you about the Vice Principal at a Bakersfield junior high who was arrested for bringing a firearm on campus.  The police forgot to check that the Vice Principal had a concealed carry license when he brought his licensed firearm with him in his backpack on campus.  Now the police are being sued for false arrest.

Rachel- Comment- The cops are saying the law is too complicated to understand?

Rob- Comment- Yep, that is their defense.

John- Comment- These are the same cops always say “tell it to the judge”.  The vice principal will do exactly that, and the cops should lose big time.

Rob- Comment- I wish I were on that jury.

rachel – There appears to be a double standard for teacher’s misconduct in California.  In the previous example, the teacher did not break the law, but was put on administrative leave.  Here is an example of a teacher threatening students with lethal harm and her union was successful in keeping her on the job.  Consider what your sheriff would do if you said things like California teacher Krista Hodges.  Quote, “I already wanna stab some kids.  Is that bad?  So happy to be done with school for ten days, but especially to be away from the ones who truly try my patience and make my trigger finger itchy.”  I wonder why the teachers union protected this teacher but not the vice principal?

Rob- Comment- They were blinded by their anti-gun ideology.

John- comment- you or I would be in jail if we said thing like that online.

john – The California legislature passed bills requiring that air-rifles and toy guns have barrels with a bright orange muzzle.  That bill has not been signed into law, but police already found drug gangs with real firearms painted to look like a child’s toy.  The dangerously naive thinking of the proposed law is children are at risk once criminals paint their firearms to look like toys.

Rachel- comment- Politicians have never stopped grabbing guns simply because their laws don’t work.

rob – Hours ago, the Missouri Senate overrode Democrat Governor Jay Nixon’s veto of a state firearms preemption bill.  The pre-emption bill was strongly opposed by advocates of local firearms regulation like Kansas City Mayor Sly James, Senate Minority Leader Democrat Jolie Justus, and Saint Louis Mayor Democrat Francis Slay.  The vote in the senate was 23 to 8, and the bill is expected to easily pass in the state assembly.   A carry permit in Missouri already allows the licensee to carry concealed or open.  This bill also reduces the age requirement for a conceal carry permit to 19 from 21 and allows specially trained teachers to carry concealed guns in public schools.

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rachel – New York City is buying an acoustic sensor system to locate gunfire in the city.  This reduces police response time after shots are fired on the street.  The system only covers a fraction of the five boroughs.  The city hopes to have the system operating by early 2015.  The police commissioner and mayor said the system could help police reduce the rising number of public shootings.

John- Comment- These are the same city officials who disarm the citizens and make them helpless.

Rachel- comment- Yep, no concealed carry.

Rob- comment- not even a pocket knife.  New York City is officially a weapons free area.

Rachel- comment- their gun-free zone is broken.

john – Now this is a gun buyback I can support.  Ohio Carry set up tables near a gun buy-back scheduled by the Cleveland Police.  The police offered gift certificates and tickets to a minor league hockey team.  Ohio Carry offered cash. Quote “We saved about 100 guns. Anything worth saving was saved. I would say less than 10 guns of actual value made it through us to get turned in to police. If the guns weren’t worth anything, we directed them over to the police to at least get something for them. And we did encounter a couple with scratched off serial numbers that we immediately directed to the police.”

Rob- comment- Every gun that we keep guns from police buy-backs, a gun grabber sheds a tear.

John – comment – It also goes to show criminals can use gun buybacks to ditch hot guns anonymously.

rob – It worked in California, so now they gun-grabbers are trying it in Oregon.  The first hearing on banning lead ammunition is scheduled for September 16.  The Oregon House Interim Committee On Agriculture and Natural Resources will hold an “informational meeting” on lead ammo legislation.  Governor Kitzhaber behind the lead ammo ban.  It’s unclear if this legislation will start as a ban on lead ammo for hunting, or a ban on lead ammo altogether. This is a political effort, not an environmental one, so I’d ask Oregon firearms owners to become active now.  This first hearing is a political setup since it is open to the public but only invited testimony is allowed.

John- comment- the name for this is rationalization.

rachel –  The Bloomberg group Moms Demand Attention has told Kroger Supermarkets to ban firearms, or else their billionaire funder will take out advertisements against the supermarket.  They made that press release during the same week when 100 teens went on a rampage in a shopping mall and in a Kroger market.  They knocked three people unconscious and stomped and kicked one of the unconscious victims.  The store was in Memphis, Tennessee

Rob- comment- It’s called Mogadishu on the Mississippi for a reason!

john – Wait, friends, there is more.  The media outlet MSNBC ran a poll asking its viewers if Kroger shoppers should be allowed to carry handguns in the store.  83 percent of the respondents said yes.  Only one person in six said citizens bearing arms could threaten public safety.

Rachel- comment- I doubt that was the answer they expected.

Rob- comment- I bet they won’t ask that question again.

rob – The US Department of Justice is hampering an the legal investigation lead by.. the US Department of Justice.  Senior officials at the DOJ barred and delayed the inspector general from access to documents investigating Operation Fast and Furious.  The IG said “The FBI and some other department components … have refused our requests for various types of documents. As a result, a number of our reviews have been significantly impeded.”  The DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.  Operation Fast and Furious was one of the  DOJ programs that ran guns to Mexican drug cartels.  Those firearms were then used to kill mexican citizens and US border patrol agents.

rachel – Firearms sales reached a phenomenal record last year.  This year they have dropped back to the still unbelievable rates of 2012.  The National Shooting Sports Federation released its  August 2014 adjusted National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) figure of 989,337 per month.  That is the third highest August on record for the 16-year-old system, even with a decrease of 2.7 percent compared to the August 2013 NSSF-adjusted NICS figure of 1,016,559.  For comparison, the unadjusted August 2014 NICS figure of 1,538,347 reflects a 9.2 percent increase from the unadjusted NICS figure of 1,408,468 in August 2013. The adjusted NICS data were derived by subtracting out NICS purpose code permit checks used by several states such as Connecticut, Illinois, and Utah for CCW permit application checks as well as checks on active CCW permit databases.

John- comment- Gun culture 2.0 is alive and growing.

Rachel- comment- I’d heard that gun sales were down, but I didn’t believe it because I still couldn’t find 22 caliber ammunition on the shelves.

Rob- comment- I like the way you think.  One observation on store shelves is worth a stack of statistics.

john – Gun culture 2.0 is not confined to the United States.  A report from Vienna  reveals that applications for gun permits in the Austrian capital are growing and there are now 85,000 registered weapons in the city. A local woman said she bought a gun after several of her neighbours had been the victims of crime. In Austria, gun laws are much less strict than in the United Kingdom.  Many weapons that require a full licence from the police can be purchased over the counter in Austria, such as pump-action shotguns and repeating rifles.  Only weapons like handguns and semi-automatic rifles require a licence, and there were 460 new applications last year.

rob- A New Jersey lawmaker took up the case of Shaneen Allen.  New Jersey State Senator Jeff Van Drew said “In this case, we’re punishing an innocent woman who made an honest mistake, and was totally legal in her home state of Pennsylvania. I mean, honest mistakes happen, she’s a legal, law-abiding person and a mistake occurred and quite frankly the judge should have discretion and jurisdiction.” Van Drew co-sponsored a bill so cases like Allen’s can avoid the state’s mandatory jail time if convicted.  A similar bill is in the New Jersey House.

rachel – The new jersey second amendment association started their fully informed voter project this week.  They handed out leaflets across from the County criminal court in Atlantic County, NJ.  They greeted people arriving for jury duty and said “Good morning, may I give you this brochure on juror rights”.   Over all, people seem to be interested in knowing what their rights are.   They will be back next Monday to continue leafletting in Atlantic County.  They have plans to expand into all of New Jersey’s 21 counties.

rachel Gun Quotes

Those who want to reap the benefits of this great nation must bear the fatigue of supporting it.  Thomas Paine

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

John – A man was standing in line at a North Philadelphia takeout restaurant.  Another man in line drew a gun and tried to rob him.  The restaurant customer drew his own firearm and shot the robber in the neck.   The robber was taken to Temple University Hospital in critical condition. The shooter was claiming self defense. There was no initial word on any charges.

comment- action beats reaction

rob – Douglas Hudson, 36, had a protective order against him filed by his ex-girlfriend. That didn’t stop him from entering her bedroom early Saturday morning with a pistol in his hand. She awoke to see Hudson standing at the foot of her bed where she was sleeping with her current boyfriend. The current boyfriend grabbed his pistol and engaged in a gunfight with Hudson. Both men ended up being shot and were transported to UAB Hospital for treatment. Hudson died at the hospital from his injuries. He had a lengthy criminal record for cocaine trafficking as well as assault. Birmingham [AL] police are investigating the shooting as a homicide and the details will be presented to the District Attorney’s Office. Investigators did note that Hudson had made a key to her residence without her consent.

rachel – Moss Point [MS] police arrested Nicholas Buchan, 21, of Pascagoula after responding to a home invasion on Adcock Street on Friday. Moss Point Police Chief Art McClung said Buchan invaded the home of a married couple around 4 a.m. Friday morning. The home invader entered through a window but was chased out of the home by the husband who was armed. There are no reports of shots being fired. Chief McClung says the couple was able to give a good description of Buchan and provide a nickname. Buchan was later arrested for burglary.

John – A shotgun-wielding home invader was shot and killed by the homeowner early Sunday morning. The incident happened in Person County [NC].  According to Sheriff Dewey Jones, the homeowner, whom the sheriff refused to name, discovered Jonathan Ellias Ziminack, 25 in his bedroom around 5am. The homeowner pulled a pistol from beside his bed and fired one shot at the home intruder. The bullet hit the shotgun before striking Ziminack in the stomach. Ziminack was airlifted to Duke University Med Center where he died.  Ziminack’s getaway driver, Cody Alicia Bowling, 20, was charged with conspiracy to commit 1st Deg Burglary. Other charges may be pending against her.

rachel Comment – According to NC records, Ziminack was a convicted felon who was only released in January.

rob – An Omaha, Nebraska man was at home Monday morning.  A man rang the bell at the front of his house.  Before he could answer, the man came in through the front door.  The homeowner’s four year old daughter saw the man outside her bedroom door.  That is when the homeowner shot the intruder. Police Officers found Darrell Miller lying on the porch with a gunshot wound.  He was taken to a local medical center where he died.  The intruder had an outstanding warrant for his arrest.

John comment- Don’t get between a bear and her cubs, or a dad and his four year old daughter.

rachel-  We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  They are a great way to introduce our podcast to a friend.

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Kids and guns-
Kids and guns is a continuation of kids and responsibility. I added rules to child’s play. When you see kids play with monsters, you ask them where the monster went, and ask them to put the monster away in its crate when they are done playing with it. Later you ask, Where is your sword. You didn’t leave it on the floor where I’d cut myself, did you? Here, you need a scabbard for your sword. The point is that there are rules even in fantasy play.

This continues when your children shoot finger guns. Don’t point that loaded finger gun at me. Let’s check if your finger gun is loaded. You need a holster. Treat your finger gun as if it is always loaded.

Children and Firearms: raising a polite society

How do you raise a polite society?
How do you raise your kids to be the kind of citizens you want them to be….responsible, trustworthy, courteous; able to handle firearms safely and competently, understanding their purpose and use? How do you make that happen?

Same way you’d teach anything else really important that you want to instill in them: model it. Be that person. Let them see you as a safe, responsible, knowledgeable firearms owner and user in your daily life.

Considerations:
1.) Safety
2.) Privacy – consider what they will tell others. Don’t let them have information that’s not public until you trust them to keep it private.
Rob- Say that again-

Teach them to keep information private – there are some things we just don’t talk about.

As long as you don’t hinder your safety or privacy, include your children in the way you make firearms a part of your everyday life.

Safety Rules
– make them memorize as young as possible
– even before then, let them see you living out the safety rules

Handling
– Let them see you clean guns (considerations: good ventilation)
– Let them help you (age-appropriately and with supervision as needed)
– Show them how it works (age-appropriately) so it’s not a mystery
Scenario: Jordan figuring out how to reassemble, exploring the various parts and seeing how they fit together

Rob? Take the excitement away from firearms by satisfying a child’s . A dirty gun gathers no excitement. A dirty gun in pieces is less than exciting, it is repulsive. My children had to clean before they could touch. They had to clean before they could shoot.

Carrying
– start them as early as possible with toy guns, wooden sticks you’re pretending to be guns, stocks with a sling; when they’ve demonstrated safety and maturity, move to BB guns, airsoft, then actual firearms
– Teach them to do it just as you would with a real gun – using a good holster, being careful not to sweep bystanders when drawing
Scenario: children carrying play guns alongside their parents at open carry walks – follow the same safety rules
Scenario: when I’m loaning a youth shooter my 10/22 for an Appleseed shoot, I will show them how to use it and carry it safely, then I let THEM be the ones to carry it to the line.

Shooting
– Be sure it’s comfortable and enjoyable
– Noise: use plenty of ear protection
– eye protection – teach the importance
– Hot brass: they’ll experience it eventually but try to prevent it from happening the first few times
– Elbow pads, knee pads, etc.
– Fit the gun to them – shorter stocks, risers, etc.
– Gloves sometimes help
– Let them take their time – dont’ rush them
– Let them leave when they’re done – don’t force them to stay
– Food and water
– Let them handle the guns, clear them, dryfire, etc. long before a trip to the range so they’re comfortable with the gun
Scenario: Appleseed shoots are a great introduction to shooting for responsible youth shooters. Bring a group of friends and make it the cool thing to do. Go out for ice cream afterward – that’s my tradition and everyone knows they’ll have that to look forward to after a long, tiring day at the range.

Other considerations:
– It’s OK if they don’t love guns. Your goal isn’t to raise a gun nut – it’s to raise a safe, responsible citizen.
– If your kid didn’t want to read, he’d still have to learn. He may never be an English major but he still needs to learn to read fluently. That’s how I’d treat firearms training – like a mandatory school subject that they must learn, and then they can choose what to do with it in the future after they are fluent in the basics.
– Consider what things might make your children dislike firearms and try to prevent it. For example: you paying more attention to guns and shooting than you do to them; a poor experience shooting; being laughed at; guns that don’t fit well; having to go to a shooting event when they wanted to do something else.

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John – I did a post that I put up last night playing off something Sen. Harry Reid said Monday. Reid, talking about the Koch brothers, said billionaires were trying to buy our democracy. Harry’s right but he had the wrong billionaires. If you look at the amount of money put into the universal background check initiative in Washington State, I-594, you will see approximately 75% of it comes from five billionaires plus one multimillionaire heiress. Collectively, they have put in over $5 million dollars into the campaign. On the pro-gun side the largest individual donation was by a Boeing engineer and it was for $1,500. Now who are the billionaires trying to buy democracy. You decide.

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. John and Rob will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 267 – Michael Cargill, Brandon Combs and Frank Fiamingo

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, September 6th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we will talk with Michael Cargill who is running for office in Austin, Texas
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have Brandon Combs back with us to talk about new firearms laws.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly gun news and self- defense stories
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 267 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul- The truck died.. again! This time it is the AC unit. Dry fire practice. I have a sidewinder pro holster on the way.

Rob-  I’ve been busy. Business cards, ammo, dry practice, steel shoot. Wrote an article.  John, one of our listeners sent me a link to open source software that records the shot pattern from your SIRT pistol.  http://phrack.github.io/ShootOFF/  Listener John in Texas, please take note.  Oh, I edited Wednesday’s show on my day off.

John – Not much in the way of gun stuff to report since Wednesday. I did order a Kydex holster to go with the SIRT pistol. It’s hard to practice your draw without a holster unless, of course, you want to end up like Plaxico Burris.

Rob- you don’t have an M&P?

Rachel- I taught my brother how to take apart, clean, and reassemble my AR and XD. That’s the beauty of homeschooling. :) It gave me some great ideas for a tips and tricks segment on children and firearms…stay tuned for that in the near future. I’ve also been making plans for a Battle Road defensive handgun class with some friends of mine. You know you have great friends when that’s their idea of hanging out and celebrating everyone being in town together.

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John-Joseph Palumbo, co-owner of the Albion Gun Shop, released information today that New York State Police officers from the Narcotics Enforcement Unit demanded the shop’s release of all customers who purchased New York SAFE Act compliant rifles under threat of a warrantless SWAT Team Raid. Since the passing of the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (S.A.F.E.) Act, the New York State Troopers Narcotics Enforcement Unit has been delegated to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act and to handle all matters pertaining to the S.A.F.E. Act. This unit visited Mr. Palumbo on several occasions, disrupting his business, to see that Mr. Palumbo is compliant with the S.A.F.E. act provisions for licensed gun shops owners. “The New York State Police told me that my guns were NY S.A.F.E. compliant. The chief of the Medina police told me my rifles were NY S.A.F.E. compliant and in fact purchased one of the guns from my shop.” James D. Tresmond, attorney for the Albion Gun Shop, raised the possibility of entrapment. “My client disclosed to me that he would not have sold these rifles to the general public had they not been approved by the New York Division of State Police”

Rachel Comment- That makes sense that Governor Cuomo got the drug cops to enforce the gun laws.  The drug cops are usually the most corrupt unit on the police force.

Rob- Could dirty cops tie up an honest store in court and drive them out of business.

Paul -We brought you a number of pro-self-defense news articles we found in the mainstream press.  Perhaps this next news item explains why the press has changed their attitude.  In San Francisco, a TV reporter was robbed at gunpoint while he was sitting inside his Television Station news van.  The thieves took his wallet, computers and television equipment.  All this happened in “gun free” San Francisco.

Rob Comment-  Go ahead, mister news announcer.  Tell me the police will protect me.  I dare you.

Rachel- A firearms manufacturer in Oregon was suddenly blocked from processing credit card transactions.  The company that Calico Light Weapons Systems used to process the transactions said the company was involved in illegal activities.  The manufacturer denied this, and the bank would not specify what activities were illegal.  The manufacturer believes it is the latest victim of the Obama administration’s “Operation Choke Point.”  Operation Choke Point lets the Departments of Justice and Treasury block banks from servicing selected businesses.  Calico Systems recovered by partnering with McMillan Merchant Solutions.  McMillan is based in Arizona and was started by members of a firearm manufacturing company.  McMillan simply decided that it won’t be cowed by the government’s strong-arm tactics.

Paul Comment-  This sounds like more lies, denials and delays from the obama administration.

John Comment-  And the Obama administration didn’t run guns to Mexico either.. just ask the mainstream media.

Rob- comments- Calico sells springs, screws and small gun parts.  They were accused of selling firearms over the internet.

Rob- The Point Marion Police Department in Fayette County closed its doors after settling lawsuits against two police officers.  The city manager of this Pennsylvania town said “We had to lay off all the officers due to the fact that we do not have police liability insurance.”  The insurance carrier dropped the department after paying two settlements against the department’s only two police officers.  One of the officers was fired from two other nearby Police Departments.  This time the officer was sued was by the ACLU for arresting a citizen who was recording the officer on his cell phone.  The ACLU won.  Insurance premiums went up ten fold.  The city can’t afford the insurance and closed their police department.  The city is now patrolled by state police.

John- The Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA’s Civil Rights Legal Defense Fund are teaming up to sue the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas Islands in US District Court over their ban on the possession and use of handguns. The Commonwealth of Northern Marianas Islands is a US territory. As SAF head Alan Gottlieb notes, ““The Second Amendment does not just apply to the continental United States and Hawaii. It also applies to territories under U.S. jurisdiction. The issue is a fundamental civil right, not only to possess a handgun, but also to use firearms for self-defense purposes, which is currently banned in the Northern Marianas.” The Northern Marianas are located north and east of the Philippines in the Pacific Ocean and includes the island of Saipan.

Rachel Comment – It is good to see the NRA and SAF working together on this issue.
Rob- comment- Guam issues concealed carry permits.

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Paul- Speaking of the Second Amendment Foundation..  The organization Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership will officially become part of SAF.  JPFO operations will move from Wisconsin to Washington.  The new board of directors at JPFO has not been made public.

Rachel-  School started, and some things changed this fall in Idaho.  That is because Idaho became the seventh state to allow concealed carry on campus.  Oregon, Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Mississippi and Wisconsin also allow students to conceal weapons on campus.  Campus carry in Idaho requires an enhanced permit, and some 3000 permits have already been issued.  Some of the permits were issued to Idaho college students.

Rob- Comment- I’m know these laws drive some of the college administrators crazy.

John- Comment- The college administrators are crazy to oppose campus carry.  I’ve had soldiers and veterans as students in college courses.  We’d be crazy to disarm them.  These experienced adults have seen more stress and demonstrated more self-control than ANY university administrator.

Rachel- Comment- Soldiers and veterans absolutely have the right to carry on campus…along with the rest of us.

Rob- Most of us are familiar with the gun safety education for elementary school children called the Eddie Eagle program.  It is once again part of the curriculum in some Jacksonville, Florida schools.  The school allows parents to opt out of the gun safety program.  The only reason this made the news is that a parent complained.  He said he would have opted his child out of the program if he’d known it was developed by the NRA.  The program encourages children to stop when they see a gun, not to touch it, to leave the area and tell an adult right away.  School officials said the district hopes utilizing the program will help prevent tragedies that start by children playing with guns.

Paul Comment- All publicity is good publicity.. as long as they spell the name right.

Rachel Comment- again, the beauty of homeschooling: you can throw in gun safety or even shooting classes without going through any government red tape or dealing with school regulations..

John- Billionaire Mayor Michael Bloomberg knows how to pick his allies.  We criticize the mayor for his organization Mayors Against Illegal Guns.  That is because so many of his mayors have been arrested for corruption.  Once you’ll take money from Michael Bloomberg, you’ll take money from anybody.  Now we see a similar thing happen to the Bloomberg group, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.  Erika Quinn, the Oklahoma leader of Demanding Moms,  has a restraining order against her.  The restraining order bars Ms Quinn from being within 300 yards of her children and prohibits her from having firearms.  That is why it is hard for Erika Quinn to explain a picture of her holding a shotgun on her twitter page.

Rachel- comment- Gun control means training regularly.  Gun sense means taking a real class in armed self-defense.  THAT is how real moms keep their children safe.
Rob- comment  Does Twitter have throw-back thursday?

Paul- Does it feel like there are one set for rules for government officials and another set of rules for ordinary citizens?  A judge from the Fourth District Court of Appeals said that judges in the district may enter courthouses armed and may carry concealed.  The rest of us have to be fingerprinted.  The rest of us have to undergo a background check.  The rest of us have to demonstrate training and proficiency.  The rest of us are disarmed in most government buildings.

Rachel Comment- Not if you’re a judge.
Rob Comment- I read where two Califonia judges were disciplined for having sex in their chambers.
John Comment- I wonder if the judge can enter a post office while armed?

Rachel- Shaneen Allen was arrested for bringing a gun into New Jersey.  Also in New Jersey, Bonnie Oliver Allamong was prosecuted for bringing her firearm to her sisters house to protect her sister from domestic abuse.  Both are victims of New Jersey prosecutors.  Now lawyers have asked to look at the prosecution record to see if there is a consistent pattern of abusive prosecution.  Atlantic County prosecutor Jim McClain did not hand over the documents as requested by defense attorneys.

John Comment- That says something when attorneys question the impartiality of the prosecution.
Paul Comment- We have a legal system, not a justice system.

Rob- Many gun owners across the country are subject to background checks as they buy firearms and get licenses to carry concealed.  The background check is the holy grail of gun-safety for gun prohibitionists.  Recent news revealed that a terrorists fighting for ISIS passed a background check and worked as a baggage handler at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.  The MInneapolis Metropolitan Airports Commission handles security clearances and background checks for the airport.  The terrorist was recently killed while fighting in Syria.

Rachel Comment- well that makes me feel safer.
John Comment- at least he passed his background check.

John – Gun Quotes
I do not carry a pistol so I can impose my will on someone else. I carry a pistol so someone else cannot impose their will on me! – Lynn Givens of Rangemaster.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Michael Cargill 6:30 CDT owns Central Texas Gun Works, host of the Come And Talk It radio show, is also running for Austin City Council

Traffic management motivated me to run for Austin City Council.

How do you feel you’ve already impacted the Austin gun culture?  How could you continue to do so as Austin City Council member?  We live in Austin, and we have to both vote and talk to our elected representatives.  Your vote makes a difference.  Go to city council meetings and go to the state capital.  I have to have input from the citizens of Austin so I can advance their interests.  There are a lot of us who do our own research.  I can cover their back and they need to cover mine.

Frank Fiamingo 6:30 CDT
The Jersey Zone
Educate the Juror
Brandon Combs 7 pm CDT
Win, loss, tie?
What do we do now?
GRAS rollout.
You must vote, but voting is not enough.
Paying taxes and complaining won’t defend your right of self-defense.
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Segment 4 DGUs

John- The Ottumwa [IA] Police Department was dispatched to a Burglary in Progress at approximately 3:21 p.m., Tuesday. The home’s owner called police after he found a man in his basement.  The homeowner went downstairs looking for his cat.  He found a partially disrobed intruder instead.  The homeowner called police and grabbed his handgun.  42 year old Billy Ray Snow was arrested at the scene and charged with trespassing.

Rob Comment- and intoxication, I’ll bet.

Paul- A mob of teens in Milwaukee tried to rob a group of tavern employees as they were walking to their cars after closing time Monday night. Fortunately, one of the employees was legally carrying concealed and fought back. One of the attackers, a 15 y.o. with gang ties and a long criminal history including armed robbery, was killed. Police took the rest of the teen attackers into custody. Milwaukee Police Lt. Mark Stanmeyer said the group was believed to have been responsible for dozens of robberies over the last three days. No charges have been brought against the man who defended the group though he was originally taken into police custody.

Rob- that must be why Chicago politicians want to disarm everyone who goes into a bar.

Rachel- Barbara Haley called 911 after 24-year-old Jody Kudlacz (CUD lez)  allegedly broke into her Omaha, Nebraska home around 3 a.m. She was awakened by noises and found the door to her attached garage open. She grabbed her handgun, a .45 Sig Sauer P220, and followed her pitbull to her home office where they found Kudlacz hiding in a closet. He tried to get out of the situation by saying Mrs. Haley knew him. She responded, “ I said I don’t know you, shut up and quit talking to me.” She noted to the media that she wanted to control the situation. Kudlacz had been in the process of stacking stolen clothes, gift cards, and jewelry before he was found. He was charged with burglary.

Paul Comment – Interestingly, the location is just 4 blocks from the University of Nebraska – Omaha campus. And yet authorities want to keep students and staff at risk in a gun-free zone.

Rob- Joseph Cihak (See hack) awoke at 4:30am on Wednesday morning to use the bathroom when he heard noises in his Westwood Terrace North home in St. Petersburg. Police said Cihak, who armed himself, walked into his living room to find Bryan Remley, 25, going through Cihak’s belongings. Cihak said he was armed because his home had been broken into a week earlier.  The intruder started running towards the homeowner who fired two shots but missed. The homeowner ran to get a backup gun and came back to find Remley in the kitchen unable to get out. He held him there until police responded to the 911 call placed by Mrs. Cihak. While waiting, Remley told the homeowner he’d come back and mow his yard if he’d just let him go. Remley was charged with armed residential burglary and a probation violation. Mr & Mrs Cihak said they have a plan to be armed whenever they get up in the middle of the night.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

John- Ken from Arizona sent us this email

I thought this story might interest you. It encompasses registration, bans, storage, and government craziness.
Ken S.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/hundreds-of-guns-stolen-across-nsw-as-thieves-target-private-homes-and-firearms-charges-rise/story-fni0cx12-1227048229707
Commentary : It’s a story about theft of registered firearms in New South Wales Australia. It seems that criminals are still finding a way to become armed. Color me shocked.

Paul- Chris emailed in this link to a story and says that this is why he carries a gun.

http://madworldnews.com/white-missouri-couple-black-teens/

A white Missouri couple was brutally attacked outside of a Springfield nightclub by a mob of young black men, and now police are asking for the public’s help in identifying the attackers.

According to OzarksFirst, the incident happened on Aug. 22 outside of the Outland Ballroom. The victims sustained serious injuries after being assaulted by multiple black males.

Meredith Cole said she was outside of the club where her boyfriend Alex is a DJ, when she was approached by the group, who attempted to sexually assault her. Cole said she went back inside to tell her boyfriend what happened, and when they went back out to identify her assailants they were viciously attacked by the group.

KY3 reports that both of the victims had to seek treatment at the hospital for their injuries, which included a fractured ankle for Cole.

The story includes a video of the attack. You can see the video through the link in the show notes.

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I have a post where I contrast the fate of citizens in states that support the right of self-defense and in the states that deny that right.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 266 – Laura Carno and Assemblyman Brian Jones

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2014
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll have interviews with Laura Carno and California Assemblyman Brian Jones
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news, so climb aboard
Rachel strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 266 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice, buying ammunition and writing. The article I wrote about my “may issue” sheriff was picked up by Ammoland. From there it was picked up by NRA news. Scheduling some training.

Rachel- Not much news, just work and homeschooling. Enjoyed our trip to the beach last weekend and watched a great football game in which my brother’s team won.

John – My Next Level Training SIRT pistol arrived yesterday. And I love it! I have been doing some dry fire practice and trying out all the features of it.

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Rachel -John Katso was a New York prosecutor.  He prosecuted organized crime.  He prosecuted street gangs in Syracuse, and put 130 gang members in jail.  He and his family were threatened.  Katso asked for and received permission to carry a firearm.  His car was robbed in the church parking lot while Mr. Katso and his family were inside.  His firearm was taken from the car.  A few weeks later, the thieves used the stolen firearm in a strongarm robbery of an illegal gambling house.  All that happened 14 years ago.  This November, John Katso is running for congress.  Katso’s opponent says he negligently gave firearms to criminals.  Here are points to ponder;

One- Take your gun with you when you go to church.
Two- Read political comments in New York media very carefully.

John Comment- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms loses about 15 firearms a year.

Rob- A police officer in New York city stopped at a Bronx bodega on his way to work at the 44th precinct.  Three thugs beat him and grabbed his firearm.  Fortunately, they did not kill the officer.  Backup officers caught the thugs and recovered the pistol.. this time.

John Comment- The 44th precinct is where John Cardillo was a patrolman.  We’ve had John on the show.
Rob Comment- I’ve heard an officer say he can never lose a fight.  The officer can run away, but if he loses a fight then the odds are the thugs will kill him with his own gun.
Rachel Comment- Here is an important safety tip- don’t fight a police officer.

John- Welcome back from your long Labor Day weekend.  In New York City, 15 people were shot on Saturday and Sunday, and another 10 were shot on Labor Day.  4 of them died from the gunshots.  In Chicago, 33 people were shot and three of them died over the three day weekend.

Rob Comment- Ouch.  Those gun free zones aren’t working, are they!

Rachel- This phrase has become a joke, “Trust me.  I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”  The US military was going to help local law enforcement by giving them surplus military weapons.  They received M-4’s, M-14s and M-16s.  They received shotguns, handguns and armored vehicles.  As you’d expect, the local police departments are not as careful with other people’s property as they might be with their own equipment.  184 state and local police departments have been suspended from program and the entire program is under review.  Weapons are missing from police arsenals.. as well as two humvees.

In Mississippi, the Meridian Police Department was suspended from the program after their inventory showed four missing M14s.  In neighboring Arkansas, the Lawrence County Sheriff’s Department was suspended after it lost an M14 assault rifle and a night vision scope that was “damaged and destroyed” without prior approval.  The Huntington Beach, California Police Department was suspended from the program after losing an M16 assault rifle.  Quote

“The loss was discovered during an internal audit, and an investigation was inconclusive as to how that occurred.”

John Comment- I have a curio and relics license, and I don’t think the lost weapons were transferred with a 4473.
Rachel Comment- No, probably not.

Rob – This law enforcement officer knows his citizens.  Maryland politics are dominated by Baltimore and the DC suburbs.  Rural Maryland is another country entirely.  Wicomico [wy-KAHM-ih-koh] County Sheriff Mike Lewis reminded the citizens of his county that he will not violate the Constitution.  “I made a vow and a commitment.  As long as I am sheriff of this county, I will not allow the federal government to come in here and strip my citizens of the right to bear arms.”  Sheriff Lewis is mindful of keeping firearms out of the hands of dangerous felons, but also explained, “We do not need to strip law abiding citizens of their Second Amendment right to bear arms. That I get upset over. I really do.  I can tell you this.  If they attempt to do that, it will be an all-out civil war. No question about it.”

Rachel Comment- I bet he is part of the Constitutional Sheriff’s and Peace officers association.
rob Commnet- I wish he were my Sheriff.
John Comment- Yeah, but then you’d have to live in Maryland.
Rob Comment- Good point.

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John- Welcome back. The California legislature did not close business until 5am Saturday morning.  There were several proposed bills that attacked the right of armed self-defense.  Some of them died in the legislature, and some of them are sitting on the Governor’s desk waiting for his signature.  The Firearms Policy Coalition wants to flood California Governor Jerry Brown’s office with e-mails and faxes.  Give them some clicks at VetoGunControl.com  These bills establish firearms restraining orders, mandate firearms registration, and mandate a gun owner re-transfer his own firearms each time he leaves or enters the state.

Rachel Comment- Let’s give California gun owners some help.

Rob – Here is some more news from the land of the fruits and nuts.   A junior high school vice principal in California was arrested after he didn’t break the law.  Bakersfield police took 51 year old Kent Williams, into custody sometime after 9 am.  Williams is Vice Principal of Tevis Junior High School.  Assistant Superintendent Gerrie Kincaid said she immediately notified police when a district administrator called her with an anonymous tip that a staff member had a gun on campus.

Vice Principal Williams cooperated with the school resource officer and said his licensed  firearm was secured in his office.  It took the Bakersfield police several hours to conclude that no laws had been broken because the Vice Principal holds a valid Kern County concealed weapons permit that allows him to have a firearm on a school campus.  The Vice Principal remains on paid administrative leave from the Panama-Buena Vista Union School District for violating district policy by bringing the firearm on campus before he received permission from Superintendent Gerrie Kincaid.  Superintendent Kincaid said “We’re a gun-free zone.”

Rachel Comment- Evidently they are far from a gun free zone.
John Comment- A gun free fantasy zone maybe, but not a gun free zone.
Rachel Comment- Does an “anonymous tip” sound suspect to you too?

Rachel- Here’s some breaking news from Texas. Today, Michael Keoughan stood trial regarding his arrest in Andrews, TX last January when he was openly carrying a rifle. Michael is a part of Come And Take It Texas but was doing a solo walk in a new location as part of a brand-new CATI chapter. CATI-TX has stood with him through his legal harassment this year, and today he was vindicated as the jury returned the verdict: Not Guilty.

Rob Comment-  It is legal if we all do it but not legal if you open carry alone?

John – The Washington Times described the booming business from pro-gun restaurants.  There are some 57 thousand businesses that welcome the armed citizen.  The Cajun Experience in Leesburg, Virginia, has Second Amendment Wednesdays, where patrons are encouraged to either go concealed carry or open carry.  Shiloh Brew & Chew in Maryville, Tennessee gained national media attention by putting a sign in the window of her restaurant welcoming firearm owners with permits.  The Chicken Express in Bossier City, Louisiana, gave a free combo meal to patrons who showed up with a concealed carry license.   John Kavanaugh owns Kavanaugh’s Esquire Club in Madison, Wisconsin decided not to disarm his honest patrons with a “no guns” sign. Quote ”..what if a crook came in and realized he was the only one with a firearm? Why should I post that? There’s never been an issue about it. We have such a variety of customers — older, younger, a lot of families.”  Some restaurants ask their customers to disarm.  The Pit Authentic Barbecue in Durham, North Carolina, decided to  hang a “No Weapons, No Concealed Firearms” sign in the window.  The barbecue restaurant was robbed at gunpoint in May. Two employees were injured, with one ending up in the hospital. Their Raleigh restaurant is the one  that hosted Gabby Giffords on her so-called listening tour.

Rachel Comment- Gun check! Who has their gun?
Rob Comment- Podcasting makes me hungry!

Rachel- Last episode we talked about more school districts with armed school staff on campus.  This is why they are critically important.  A teenager threatened to shoot her classmates and teachers at Franklin High School near Cincinnati, Ohio.  The 15 year old student told her friends she wanted “to do a mass school shooting and end it with suicide by cop.”  Her friends told school officials and the student was arrested.  She is being held at the Warren County Juvenile Detention Center.

Rob Comments-???  I’m sad that this young lady is suicidal.  We’re lucky she was stopped in time.  I’m glad more school staff are armed.

Rob- This is a story about someone who hates gun owners.  The self-proclaimed liberal democrat Mike Dickinson sent out a tweet saying “Dear god, please use Ebola to infect the NRA and it’s various members. For they are a true virus and true terrorists in America.  There would be no funnier thing then to see the NRA members in a death clutch of their gun while dealing with Ebola.”  Dickinson used shock media to get attention before.  In July he offered 100 thousand dollars for nude photos of the hunter and college cheerleader Kendall Jones.   Dickinson also attacked the The Tea Party and Christians.

John Comment-  I don’t think reaching out as a kinder and gentler gun owner is going to help with this guy.  He hates us.
Rachel Comment- Haters are going to hate, and it isn’t about us.

John – We have discussed the impact of concealed carry on the murder rates in Chicago a number of times on the podcast. A different take on this comes from Kurt Hofmann writing for the JPFO. Kurt holds that it is unnecessary to rely upon statistics to make our case for gun rights. Kurt states, “I don’t care because fundamental human rights–and the right to self-defense must be seen by any rational, ethical person as chief among those–cannot legitimately be held hostage to a requirement for a favorable statistical outcome.” He goes on to make the point that using numbers to justify our rights tacitly surrenders those rights if the numbers turn against us. He concludes by saying that our opponents try to bolster their weak arguments using stats like “a gun in the home is 43 times as likely to kill a family member” etc and that we must be better than that.

Rachel – This might seem philosophical, but we can do that every now and again.  Some liberal politicians want us to turn in our guns.  All of them.  Those are their words, not our words.  Their  “common sense regulation” is simply a series of stepping stones to disarmament.  We’ve taken about 23 thousand such steps in the United States so far, and the gun grabbers are still not satisfied.  Let me modify that last statement; citizens will be disarmed, not the government.  In fact, as citizens are disarmed and crime soars, the police claim they need more and more arms.  We’re told again and again that officer safety is paramount.  We have another example of where totalitarian power leads.  This example comes from Iraq.  ISIS, the Al-Qaeda associated group, issued this declaration for all land under its control.   in Iraq . . .

No public gathering are allowed other than those organised by ISIS. No guns are allowed other than those belonging to ISIS and carried by its supporters.

It has been said many times that power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and it looks like ISIS is embracing that idea.

Rob- Gun Quotes- To trust arms in the hands of the people at large has, in Europe, been believed…to be an experiment fraught only with danger. Here by a long trial it has been proved to be perfectly harmless…If the government be equitable; if it be reasonable in its exactions; if proper attention be paid to the education of children in knowledge and religion, few men will be disposed to use arms, unless for their amusement, and for the defence of themselves and their country. — Timothy Dwight, Travels in New England and New York [London 1823]

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Laura Carno at 5:10 Defend Colorado, bring the second amendment supporters into this election.  Raise money and keep it in Colorado.  When was the event?  Where was the event? Who spoke?  Celebrities or candidates at the event?  How many attended?  What else is happening in Colorado politics?  Hickenlooper pardon, and Udall lied.  Laura’s I am created equal site is here, and Udall Lied is here.

Assemblyman Brian Jones of the California Assembly Republican Caucus.  The legislative session closed for the year.  The right of self defense had some wins and some losses this year.  Second amendment supporters are in the minority in the California legislature.  They fought SB 53 to a tie and it died.  Could you tell us about SB 53 and how you managed to stop the bill?

What are the other bills you managed to stop?
What anti-gun bills passed?
What should self-defense advocates do now?
Call the Governor.  Citizens in California have to vote and help get out the vote.

Here is a video of Assemblyman Brian Jones defending armed self-defense on the Assembly floor.  Here is the Assemblyman’s website, and here is his facebook page.  You can thank Assemblyman Jones by e-mail- brian@electbrianjones.com

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel-This defensive gun use story is from Orchard Park, New York.  A homeowner and his son heard unusual sounds from an upstairs room at 1am.  They saw two people dressed in dark clothing use a ladder to break into an upstairs window.  The homeowner called police.  The homeowner and his son also grabbed their firearms and held the two intruders at gun point until police arrived.    Police arrested 18-year-old Jacob Rappleye and 22-year-old Anthony Guarino.  Both are charged with attempted burglary, criminal mischief, and unlawful possession of marijuana.

Rob Comment-

Rob – Also from New York, a homeowner called police.  She said two people were trying to break into her home in Crystal Lake.  By the time officers arrived, the thieves had broken in, and one of them had been shot in the stomach.  The homeowner fired after the intruders kicked in her locked door and advanced on her and her children.  Nicholas Porcayo, 18, and Brandon Mendez, 19, were charged with intimidation, a Class 3 felony, and criminal trespass to a residence, a Class 4 felony.  Mendez was taken to an undisclosed hospital with injuries that were not life-threatening.  Mendez already has a pending case in which he has been charged with two counts of criminal damage to property of less than $300, Class A misdemeanors, and mob action, a Class C misdemeanor.  He also is under court supervision for a misdemeanor battery charge, a case in which he also was charged with aggravated battery, a Class 2 felony; resisting or obstructing a police officer resulting in injury, a Class 4 felony; and theft of less than $500, a Class A misdemeanor. Those charges were dismissed.

Rachel Comment- Another frequent flyer.

John – This is why you carry.  It happened along a walking path in Lancaster, Ohio.  Dinah Burns was walking her dog when two young white men came out of the woods along her path.  One of them held a baseball bat and said she was coming with them.  The two men were not afraid of her dog, but they fled after she drew her handgun and pointed it at them.  Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she’d only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

We’ll be back..

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Listener e-mail discussion.

Rob- I got an e-mail from listener John in Texas who recently got his pistol instructors certificate.  He also has a SIRT pistol and promised to share his training tips with me.  Congratulations, John, and I want to hear your ideas.

Rachel- Here is an e-mail from TJ

Hey everyone,
Can you guys give some tips on keeping front sight focus while transitioning between targets and shooting while moving? I tend to shift my focus from my sight to the next target and then have trouble refocusing on the front sight to make my next shot. Any tips would be greatly appreciated!

Thank,
TJ Gauthier

Rachel- practice slowly and perfectly
Rob- distance. point shoot versus slow aimed fire.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?  Only that my post on my “may issue” sheriff was picked up by NRA news.  How about you John?

John do you want to mention anything off of your Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

I wrote a post on Tuesday regarding Tamara Keele’s decision to suspend her very long-running and very popular gun blog, View from the Porch. At the heart of her decision was having to deal with a cyberstalker. I said the person involved needed to be charged, convicted, and imprisoned. While I have been informed of his name, I don’t feel it proper to state it on the podcast as that would be giving him more attention than someone of his ilk deserves.

John- Rob, what do you have up on SlowFacts?
Rob- I’ll have a post comparing self- defense in two cities.

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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the next time…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 265 – Chris Petersen

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 30, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 265 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Paul – I am looking for some help with the GP2AS. If you live south of the Canadian border, East of Montana, North of Oklahoma, and West of Illinois and are interested in helping us grow, please email me. I am mainly looking for people to help with the Facebook Site and our Website right now. Mostly just doing for the great plains what we do on the show here, just on a more regional level. I am looking for people from each state, and the more involved you are in the second amendment cause in your state the better. These are NOT paid positions, but if you ask nice I MIGHT be able to get you into the GRPC at no charge. You would have to pay for your own room and get yourself there though.

John – My wife and I took a “road trip” today to Greenville, SC to tour the recently opened Cabela’s store. While not as big as some, at 105,000 sq. ft. it was plenty big. I saw a lot of nice firearms in their Gun Library. What I didn’t see in the store was .22 LR rifle ammo.

Rob- Only work and work at home. Nothing gun related. I need to buy ammunition.

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Paul – It should surprise no one that Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey has publicly stated that he doesn’t plan on intervening in the Shaneen Allen case until it has been completely adjudicated.  Christie is quoted as having said “I don’t like to intervene in the judicial process until the judicial process has an opportunity to work its way through,” he said. “I think then and only then is it the appropriate time for a governor to consider action.”  My own editorial comment is that now isn’t the time to let up. Let’s keep pouring the pressure on Christie and the other people who have bearing on this case. The number for the Governor’s office is 609- 292-6000.

John Comment- Ms. Allen’s lawyers originally hoped to raise about 25 thousand dollars through donations.  They raised that, and more.  There are also many thousands of dollars raised to put up billboards calling out the local prosecutor and asking why the Atlantic County Attorney chose to prosecute a single black mom who had no prior convictions.  She could serve up to 11 and a half years in state prison.

You can donate at SAF.org too.

Rob -In a continuation of the theme we have had over the last few episodes, there is a positive news story in what is usually termed the mainstream media that appeared recently. An article appeared on Time.com recently that advocated teaching your children to shoot.  What is even more amazing is that this appeared AFTER news broke about a shooting instructor who lost his life in a tragic incident with a child shooting a full auto uzi recently, in fact it is mentioned right at the beginning of the article. The story is well written and worth a read.

John -Jacob Smith is a junior at the University of South Carolina.  He carries an empty gun holster around the campus as a political protest and he’s not alone. Smith belongs to USC Students for Concealed Carry.  Unfortunately there is a minor crime wave on campus to fuel their cause.  Less than a week ago, the university says a student was held at gunpoint at the Horseshoe, taken to an East Quad dorm, and forced to give the suspect money. Over the weekend, a gunman was reportedly spotted near the Russell House. Most recently, a 19-year-old was the victim of a strong-armed robbery.  University President Harris Pastides has promised more patrols of uniformed and plain-clothed officers as well as more security cameras and call boxes on campus.  However, Jacob Smith, who is also in the US Navy, proposes another solution.  Smith wants the law changed so students could defend themselves.

 

Rob – July 1st was the first day that Idaho citizens with an enhanced permit could carry concealed on the campus of Boise State University.   Students have started to show some interest in taking classes to obtain the enhanced license necessary to carry on campus.  Idaho has liberal carry restrictions for an ordinary concealed carry license.  Course work for the enhanced license covers legal education and range time.

Paul Comment- no streets running red with blood?
Rob Comment- not a drop.

Paul- A petition is being circulated that piqued my interest a group of small business drivers is circulating a petition that drivers be able to carry in order to defend themselves. It says in part that the current patchwork of laws from state to state interferes with interstate commerce. It’s an interesting take. I don’t believe that it has much of a chance until next year at least, depending on the elections this fall, however it is worth a look. Thanks to Greg in Bremerton for sending this one in.

John- Voters in Castle Rock, Colorado voted to take gun restrictions out of the hands of politicians and appointed city managers.  The votes were finally counted in the special election, and now the voters have the authority to decide if guns are welcome on city property.  From now on, only a public vote can enact a ban on open carry in Castle Rock.

Rob- And that is how it should be. It should be citizens and not bureaucrats or politicians making the decision.

Rob- Talking about votes, California legislators defeated an ammunition registration bill by the slimmest of margins. The final vote on California bill SB53 was a tie, so the bill is dead for this year.  You would need your ammunition buyers ID card to buy ammunition.  It would have required a fingerprint check to buy ammunition.  The bill would have made it illegal to buy ammunition online.  You could be arrested for picking up my ammunition from the ground at the range.

Rob- I reached out to some of the legislators, so we might get to hear from them next episode.

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John –  A tragedy happened in Omaha this week when a member of the film crew for the television show “Cops” died after being shot while filming for the show this week. Bryce Dion, a 38 year old sound engineer for the show was fatally shot while helping to film a police response to what appeared to be an armed robbery at a Wendy’s restaurant. The Omaha World Herald reported that film crews for the popular TV show wear bullet resistant vests while filming. Unfortunately a vest wasn’t enough to stop the tragedy this time.

Paul- You might remember that outdoor signs promoting firearms safety were taken down by the city of Phoenix.  Later the city lost a court case against them for violating free speech rights of Train Me Arizona.   Here is a similar situation in Washington, DC.  Project Child Safe wanted to run advertisements at major airports across the country.  The ads advocated responsible gun ownership and said, “Own It? Respect it. Secure it.”  The advertisements went up in Hartford-Springfield, Las Vegas, Little Rock, Providence and St. Louis. But Reagan National airport in Arlington, Virginia refused the advertisements.

Rob Comment- Free speech for me, but not for thee, in DC?
Paul- Comment- You’re a poet.
John- Comment- the second amendment is too political for DC?

Rob- Also in Washington DC, there was an anti-regulation article in the conservative Washington Times.  The article said that gun control is really about control, rather than about guns or the second amendment.  “(The origin of gun control) is actually the statist belief in big government. Too many activists and politicians crave the power by controlling people’s lives to the nth degree. They find fulfillment in believing that they are improving society by making better decisions than ordinary people would make.  It’s the ultimate loss of freedom when your personal safety — and your family’s — must be entrusted totally to government. Millions of Americans are saying they don’t trust government to protect them. That is why they insist upon their right of self-defense, free of government threats to restrict or remove it.”  The article is by former congressman Ernest Istook.

Paul Comment- Congressman Istook gets it!
John Comment- Think the congressman will be a the Gun Rights Policy Conference later this month?

Paul – The Clearview, Colorado Library is being sued.  The library asked Erika Sattler to leave the library after another library patron spotted the her carrying a handgun complained to a library staff member.  Erika Sattler has a concealed carry permit, but the library has a policy prohibiting weapons of any kind except those carried by law enforcement.  Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, the gun-rights lobby that was instrumental in recalling two state senators last year, is bringing the suit against the library.

Rob Comment-  The smell of bigotry is strong in the Clearview Library.

John- There are some 23 thousand firearms regulations in the United States.  Law Professor Eugene Volokh came up with a list of the laws he thought were both abusive and vulnerable to legal challenge.  The restrictions on concealed carry in public topped his list.  They affect 50 million people in California, Washington DC, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Rhode Island.

Paul -Comment- we have our work cut out for us.

Rob- Our friends in Montana can use our help.  Gary Marbut is running for the Montana House of Representatives.  He is no stranger to Montana politics.  Gary was President of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, and helped enact 64 pro-gun bills in the past 30 years. Gary was named by SAF as the Grassroots Activist of the Year, not once, but twice.  Gary has vowed to not take any money from any special interest groups, only from individual contributors. He needs your donation to mount an effective campaign.

John Comment- until the billionaires for liberty start spending, It is up to us little guys to get the job done.

John- Statistics appear to be on our side again in Illinois, or more specifically the windy city. The Blaze reports that crime rates year to year are appearing to drop even though not one single tactic has changed in policing policies during the same period. Both robberies and burglaries are down 20 percent. The only change according to The Blaze is concealed carry licenses over 83,000 licenses have been applied for, and over 68,000 have been granted in the state since January.

Rob- The chicago cops gave up on prosecuting some crime in high crime areas.  They saved police effort for the well-to-do areas of the city.

Paul – Comment: Please remember that early this year a similar story appeared and we cautioned you not to become too optimistic and that it had been a horrifically cold and brutal winter. Sure enough this summer we are seeing murders and shootings up again.Are the numbers good news, yes. However before we claim any sort of victory other than individual DGU’s lets get a few years of numbers.

Rob- All of us need to follow the four safety rules.  All of us, all the time.  A U S Border Patrol officer had a negligent discharge at their headquarters in Marfa, Texas.  Agents and staff searched the El Cosmico hotel and campground next to the headquarters looking for damage.  The agency said the negligent discharge took place during a training session.

John Comment- So federal agents don’t have super powers with a firearm?
Rob Comment- Nope.

John Gun Quotes
“It is the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made.” – Roger Sherman of CT, 1790, during a speech before the US House of Reps. Sherman was a signatory to Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution.

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob -A man trying to rob a Dairy Queen on the south side of Albuquerque, New Mexico.   He threatened the cashier with a gun through the drive through window and demanded money from the till.  The cashier gave him the money and then ducked behind the counter. The man then asked for more money. A different employee fired at the robber five times.  The thief was struck at least once and died after being transported to University of New Mexico Hospital.  No restaurant employees were injured during the incident.  No no other suspects are at large.  Police do not expect to file charges against the store employee for firing in self-defense.

Paul- A strange DGU out of Houston, A homeowner had had his home broken into 4 years ago and he stated was just getting his sense of security back. Then earlier this week he is in bed and the doorbell rings and rings and rings. Then come loud knocks at the door, and someone trying to kick the door in. The homeowner was on the phone with 911 and had his handgun. When the bad guy broke in the homeowner ordered him to leave and then to stop advancing. when the intruder did neither the homeowner shot the intruder. The intruder falls down immediately begins crying, begging for his life and asking to call his girlfriend. At last report he was in the hospital, no word on whether he was able to call his girlfriend.

John- The Indianapolis Star reports that Indianapolis metropolitan police are investigating an early morning armed robbery in which they say the homeowner fought back and a suspect was shot.  Two or three men were trying to break into the home at about 3 in the morning. The homeowner struggled with the men over a gun and shot one of the suspects.  A woman and small child inside the home at the time were not hurt.  There were bullet holes in the home’s front door and blood on the front porch and driveway.  A short time later, a man with gunshot wounds in the leg and back showed up at the Circle K gas station and was taken to a local hospital in critical condition.

Paul – Comment it doesn’t say whether the gun belonged to the homeowner or the bad guy. It is far easier to stop a bad guy if you use your own gun rather than trying to take the bad guy’s gun from him. Also if this is a case of the bad guys bringing the gun in it kind of “Shoots holes” in the theory that if you have a gun the bad guy will just take it away from you and shoot you with it.

John – As Paul often says, nothing good happens after midnight. That was the case early Friday morning in Darlington County, SC where two armed home invaders forced their way into a home just after midnight. One beat a female on the head and hit an 11 y.o. boy several times in the face while his confederate held a second woman at gun point. Unbeknownst to the home invaders, there was a male resident asleep in another area of the house who awoke and armed himself with a rifle before checking out the commotion. He exchanged fire with the home invaders. They fled but not before killing the family dog. However, Marquis Benjamin, 25, was found dead about 75 yards from the house. Deputies later picked up the other home invader, Brandon Lunn, some time later and have charged him with multiple felonies. Sheriff Wayne Byrd said he doesn’t expect any charges to be filed against the homeowner. ““It’s more a matter of defending yourself, defending your family. Providing for the protection of your own life and your own family’s life. And their well-being.”

There is no word on the condition of either the woman or boy that was assaulted at this time.

Rob- I suspect he intruder will be charged with murder.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul-  Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I live in San Diego County.  We have a May Issue Sheriff. I reported on the number of disarmed victims in San Diego County.  The article went out on ClashDaily, Ammoland and on my blog.

( DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Paul: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 264 – Andrew Rothman and Brandon Combs

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I have to apologize to our listeners. I fully intended to be on the weekend show but Charter internet went down in our area of NC. As to firearm news, I’m still waiting for my SIRT pistol. I got an email yesterday saying it was finally shipping.

Rob- Dry practice.  Plan to buy a bunch of ammunition.

Rachel- First official week of homeschool.

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John -In our last episode we reported on the shocking news that some of the mainstream media made an honest report on women in the shooting sports.  Well it happened again.  This report is from a different mainstream media outlet, and it details the tensions between law enforcement and gun control.  The network reported on both the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association and on Oathkeepers.  The article cited examples of law enforcement officers refusing to impose unjust gun laws on citizens.  They gave examples where Constitutional Sheriffs stood between their citizens and federal agents who violate the Constitution.  Yes, the article was biased toward statism, but not as much as usual.  It was on NBC news.

Rob Comment- Should we buy a lottery ticket since we are so lucky?

Rob- Radly Balko, who has long studied the misuse of SWAT teams and the militarization of the police, turned his reporter’s eye to the Shaneen Allen case for the Washington Post. He found that African-Americans like Ms. Allen are disproportionately arrested for “gun crimes” at both the local level and at the federal level. He notes that most of this can be boiled down to professional discretion as is the case of Ms. Allen. Many “gun crime” prosecutions are add-ons to other crimes such as robbery and assault. Others, like Ms. Allen, are the result of a victimless crime. He concludes, “But when enforcing victimless crimes, police and prosecutorial discretion can quickly become a tool of injustice, even of systematic oppression. Unless the laws like those in New Jersey are changed, people like Brian Aitken and Shaneen Allen will continue to be wholly at the mercy and discretion of police, prosecutors and governors- and thus subject to all the biases and prejudices of the people who hold those positions.”

Rachel- Marc Rabinoff is a retired professor of human and sports performance. He grew up in New York City and then spent over 30 years in a liberal college environment at Metro State College in Denver. He was only really introduced to firearms 2 years ago when he took a firearms training class to help get over his fear of guns. He liked it. He took more classes and has bought a number of guns including now an AR-15. Having taught for over 30 years, he has now come to the conclusion that educators, after training, should be allowed to carry concealed on campus. He attributes his change to two things: his recent firearms training AND the fact that his son started Columbine High School the year after the mass murders. He says, “if I had to confront a gunman in a classroom, I’d like to be able to do more than hide under chairs or tables and helplessly watch my students being murdered. I’d like to have the option to use the intense training I have undergone and the resulting skills I’ve amassed to save lives.” It has become clear to Dr. Rabinoff that trained teachers could possibly prevent the next tragedy from occurring.

Rob – California had a mandatory waiting 10 day waiting period between when a firearm is purchased and the buyer can take possession of the firearm.  A Federal district court ruled the mandatory waiting period is unconstitutional because it violates the second amendment.  There is why that is fascinating.  *A previous law ruled that some firearms are unusual because fewer than 1 percent of the population had them.  In this case, the judge considered the law unusual because only a handful of states have mandatory waiting periods.  *A previous law ruled that the state must disarm california residents if they exhibit a mental or physical condition making them ineligible to own firearms.  Therefore, if the citizen already has a legally registered firearm or CCW permit, then the state knows he is an eligible gun owner.  The 10 day waiting period may not be applied to all eligible gun owners since that broad restriction is not narrowly tailored to the states interests.  Background checks are sufficient.

John Comment- I wonder if California will now delay the background checks so they take 10 days.

Rachel- An ordinance in Baton Rouge, Louisiana prohibited residents from keeping firearms in their parked cars while they’re inside establishments that sell alcohol.  A Federal Judge ruled that ordinance is unconstitutional and can no longer be enforced.  Ernest Taylor, of Baton Rouge, challenged the ordinance in federal district court last September after he was charged with having rifles in his car and parking in a parking lot at an establishment where alcohol was sold. The Baton Rouge police confiscated Taylor’s rifles.  Judge Brian Jackson said the city ordinance clearly forbids the possession of firearms in any parking lot of an establishment that sells alcohol.  The judge said, “Similarly, the ordinance prohibits law-abiding citizens from purchasing and possessing firearms at any establishment that sells alcohol, thereby rendering the sale of firearms at establishments like Wal-Mart a criminal act.”  The judge scheduled a hearing on October 23nd to determine the monetary damages owed to Mister Taylor.

John – Can you imagine going to the grocery store and having to leave your gun at home because of some arcane local regulation? And this in a state that has drive-thru Daiquiri shops!

Rob- Bars sell alcohol.  So does the pharmacy and every grocery store.

Rachel- You know that Governor Rick Perry sent the Texas National Guard to secure the Mexican Border. Breitbart Texas reported that soldiers would not be allowed to carry personal weapons for self-defense while off-duty.  They are considered “on duty” 24/7, but not allowed to carry their service weapon when out of uniform.  A few days after the news article appeared, the policy was changed and the Texas Guardsmen would be allowed to carry concealed weapons while off duty as long as they were properly licensed.  That leaves the small issue of how the soldiers would be able to transport their personal weapons from their home base to the border region.  You see, personal weapons are not allowed on post, nor in military transport vehicles.

Rob Comment-  There is stupid.. and there is military grade stupid..

Rachel- A- Yep.  When you absolutely, positively need stupid.. we know who to call.

Rob- I’ve met economist Thomas Sowell and Doctor Sowell both thinks clearly and calls others out for the bad ideas.  This time he focused his scorn on the gun grabbers and he mocks their poor rhetoric when they say guns are dangerous.  According to the gun grabbers, guns cause crime, and more guns cause more crime.  Armed guards also must cause more armed attacks because US presidents with armed guards are shot at a rate far higher than unarmed civilians.  Using the logic of the gun grabbers, both celebrities like Rosie O’donnell and President Barack Obama would be safer if we left them unguarded.

Quoting Sowell, “These talking points are often based on a prevailing social vision, rather than on hard facts..  Factual evidence cannot make a dent in that vision.”

John- We have some political news from Massachusetts. The two Democratic candidates for attorney general are trying to outdo each other.  One candidate, Warren Tolman, said he would require finger-print safety technology on all new handguns sold in Massachusetts.  He thinks he could do that under his authority as attorney general.  Quote “Remember, we’re regulating an unsafe product; the most unsafe product sold today is guns.”  Unfortunately, the other candidate, Maura Healey, is nearly as bad.

Rachel Comment- Sorry, Massachusetts.

Rob- Are hte state police required to follow these gun regulations?

Rob- Is there a double standard in law enforcement?  An Orlando police officer killed an innocent woman in a downtown bar early Tuesday morning.  Orlando Police Chief John Mina said “The preliminary indication is that.. Officer Eduardo Sanguino shot and fatally struck Maria Godinez.”  The officer was responding to an intoxicated man with a gun who was outside the bar.  Officers tried a tazer on the suspect.  Officers then fired nine times.  They struck the suspect and two bystanders, one fatally.

John- Comment – You or I would go to jail for a bad shoot.  I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut this officer is exonerated.

Rachel – A father in Georgia filed a lawsuit after he says the principal at his daughter’s elementary school told him he was not allowed to bring his gun on school grounds. The lawsuit claims that the principal told Hugh Myers that he could not bring his gun onto the campus of Beulah Elementary School other than when he is dropping off or picking up his daughter. The principal allegedly threatened to have him arrested if he did otherwise. Myers’ attorney John Monroe is arguing that Myers should be allowed to bring his gun to school under a new Georgia law that took effect last month. Under the law, school districts are now able, if they choose, to allow some employees to carry a firearm on school grounds under certain conditions.  The lawsuit states that Myers frequently goes to the school to participate in his daughter’s activities, and wishes to carry a gun in case of confrontation.

John Comment- What liability has the school assumed by denying citizens the right of self-defense?

Rob Comment- I’m used to “may issue” sheriffs in California.  Now it appears we have “may issue” elementary school principals in Georgia.

Rachel – Texas governor Rick Perry’s Concealed Handgun License was suspended last week after he was indicted on charges of coercion of a public servant and abuse of power. Also because of the indictment, it’s illegal for anyone to sell him firearms or ammunition. Perry is known for being a CHL supporter and famously shot a coyote while he was jogging. His self-proclaimed position on gun control is, “I am actually for gun control: Use both hands.” If he is acquitted, his license and his ability to purchase guns and ammo will be reinstated. If he is convicted of this felony offense, he permanently loses the ability to have a CHL.

John Gun Quote – “Civilized people are taught by logic, barbarians by necessity, communities by tradition; and the lesson is inculcated even in wild beasts by nature itself. They learn that they have to defend their own bodies and persons and lives from violence of any and every kind by all the means within their power.” – Cicero

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this
Segment 3 Interviews with Andrew Rothman and Brandon Combs

Welcome back, Brandon Combs.  You were a plaintiff in a recent California court case contesting the mandatory 10 day waiting period after you buy a firearm.  Please tell our listeners about the case and how it turned out.

Segment 4 DGUs

John – An off-duty Dallas police officer was driving with his children last Thursday evening.  He saw a woman stop her car at an intersection.  A second car pull up beside her.  The two drivers spoke briefly, then the man in the second car got out of his car and shot at the driver in the first car.  The officer drew his weapon, and shot the assailant.  Quoting the officers in the investigation, “So far it looks like the officer did the right thing.. Remember, that under Texas state law, any person can take action to stop the deadly actions of another.”  The officer has yet to be interviewed.  The woman and the assailant are in the hospital and expected to survive.

Comment- It looks like the officer saved at least one life, and perhaps several.  Thank you, officer.

John- 89 year old Arthur Lewis was robbed a few years ago.  That time he traded shots with the thief too.  This time a thief entered the Jewelry Exchange in Lake Park, Florida.  The thief pointed his revolver at Mister Lewis.  Lewis grabbed the revolver and drew his own 38.  He fired six times striking Lennard Patrick Jervis in the arm, leg, and four times in the chest.  The thief fled.  His getaway driver asked police for medical help for the thief.  The thief is expected to survive.  The thief will be arrested once he recovers and is expected to face charges of armed robbery to a business, felon in possession of a firearm, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, and armed burglary.  The getaway driver was charged with armed robbery.  Court records show that the thief, Lennard Jervis had been arrested 20 times since 1989.

Rob -A 74 year old Omaha, Nebraska homeowner heard glass break downstairs at 1AM.  With the other three members of his family upstairs and the alarm system blaring, the homeowner grabbed his gun to investigate.  He stopped on the stairs and shouted for the intruder to leave.  When the intruder didn’t leave, the homeowner shot 29 year old Jorge Ramirez.  Ramirez is in Creighton University Medical Center and now listed in fair condition.

Rachel- This next story is from Houston, Texas where a mail carrier picked exactly the right day to stay home for a doctor’s appointment.  He heard the doorbell ring several times at about 10 in the morning.  Then someone banged on his front door.  That is when the homeowner got his gun.  He also saw an unfamiliar black Ford Mustang parked in front of his house.  The homeowner called 911.  The intruder entered the home and the homeowner confronted him. Quote “I’m telling him, get down, stop. It went bad. He kept coming toward me and didn’t want to stop.”  The homeowner shot 25-year-old Avery Powell.  Powell was out on parole and has been charged with burglary.  The homeowner said that this robbery was particularly upsetting because he was just getting a sense of security back after interrupting a home burglary four years ago.

John – A woman in Buffalo City, Wisconsin heard two men force their way through her back door at 5 am Friday morning.  They attacked the woman and threatened her at knife point.  The homeowner grabbed her handgun and fired several shots at the intruders.  The men fled.  The Buffalo County Sheriff’s department think the woman was target by the thieves.  The Sheriff’s office is asking the community for leads.

Rachel- This DGU was sent in by listener Scott.

Neighbors kept an eye out after the next door homeowner moved from his Channelview, Texas home and asked them to watch the place.  They heard glass break and the motion detector go off at about 2 in the morning.  The couple walked over, guns in hand, and found the back door broken in.  They found the burglar locked inside the bathroom.  The neighbors, husband and wife were both CHL holders.  When the burglar bolted from the bathroom, he knocked the woman into some furniture left in the home.  Both fired their handguns at the intruder.  He died in the local hospital.  Neighbors remain upset at the large number of break-ins during the last few weeks.

Thank you, Scott, for sending that in.  We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John- Email from Jeff
100% of all home invasions happen in the home.
From another in-home carrier. ;)

Rachel- Email from Greg in Bremerton

“Man scares off attempted robber of Bremerton store”
BREMERTON — The husband of a clerk at a Bremerton convenience store faced down a robber Wednesday night, pulling a gun on the suspect, who then fled, according to Bremerton police.

Officers were called to Rob’s Quick Stop, at the corner of 15th Street and Callow Avenue, about 9:20 p.m.

The suspect had entered the store wearing a bandana across his face. The clerk told the suspect to remove the bandanna, police said, but he instead pulled a gun and slammed it on the counter before pointing it at her. The clerk ducked behind the counter.

Her husband, who had witnessed the encounter, then pulled his own gun. After a brief faceoff with the suspect, both pointing their weapons at each other, the suspect fled. No money was taken.

Police believe the suspect may have gotten into a green Toyota vehicle with a blonde female driver. The suspect is described as a black or possibly Hispanic male, approximately 5 feet 4 inches tall, wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt, dark baggy jeans and black shoes.

Anyone with information about the suspect is asked to call Bremerton police at (360) 473-5228. The suspect is considered armed and dangerous, police said.

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Rob- From listener Adam Lund-

This is regarding the Jacksonville, Fla DGU.  I agree with most of what you all said until it came to the point where everyone agreed that hunkering down and covering each other would have been the prudent thing to do.  I have to ask if you all forgot about the one sentence about a child, who was in the house at the time, was unharmed.

If there is a child in the house, hunkering down and covering each other may not be an option you have.  If I hear a noise, I need to make a run through my house just to ensure the safety of my children. …Damn spoiled kids with their own rooms!

While you all may not have meant the best course of action in this instance was to hunker down in their bedroom and wait for the police to show up, this is what it sounded like.
Other than that, love the podcast!
– Adam

( DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

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9DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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John: That wraps up this episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the weekend show…

Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 263 – Charlie Foxtrot

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live Saturday August 23rd 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: I’m Rachel malone and we will talk with Charlie Foxtrot of the not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com.
Gary D: so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 263 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- Went shooting yesterday. Met a new gun and ran about 20 reloading drills to get properly introduced.
Gary- and I drove to SD
Rachel- Went shooting with friends on the spur of the moment Thursday and did some great defensive handgun training. Then I went and bought an EOTech that night. It was a great day. :)
Rob- Forgive me, Rachel. I have EOTech envy. Sorry
CF?
Paul Went shooting

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Paul- In a ruling that impacts the legal liability of any business that establishes a so-called gun free zone, US District Court Judge R. Brooke Jackson ruled that the shooting in the Cinemark Theater in Aurora, Colorado was foreseeable. He said, “Although theaters had theretofore been spared a mass shooting incident, the patrons of a movie theater are, perhaps even more than students in a school or shoppers in a mall, ‘sitting ducks’.” With that he denied Cinemark’s motion to dismiss the many lawsuits against it which now will go to trial. Cinemark had contended that the mass shooting in Aurora was “legally unforeseeable”.

Gary-  A permit to carry does not make you a cop. This is the lesson that a Chicago-area man with an Illinois Concealed Carry Permit is learning the hard way. Ali Ozturk, 34, had tried to enter a bar in Albany Park on Monday night. The bar had a bouncer who tried to pat him down upon entering. He told the bouncer that he worked for the “Officers Div. of Adult Institutions” and then flashed a metal badge that he later admitted he got off of EBay. Ozturk was  arrested a short time later at a nearby pool hall after a witness told police he was trying to impersonate a police officer. He is now in Cook County Jail under charged with that and under a $150,000 bail.

Rob- comment- Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Paul- Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel tweeted his support and praise for the gun control efforts of Michael Bloomberg and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America on Thursday. Bloomberg has pledged $50 million to help get gun control candidates elected in November and Moms Demand is pressuring Kroger to bar law-abiding citizens from openly carrying guns (even where doing so is legal under state and local law). Emanuel himself has secured gun control measures that ban gun stores in 99.5 percent of Chicago. Which means law-abiding citizens have only “about half a percent of Chicago’s geographic area” in which they can buy a gun for defense of self, family, and property. According to the Chicago Sun Times, Emanuel is now defending Bloomberg from a growing backlash against the former NYC Mayor’s effort to control Americans’ lives via gun, food, and soda bans. The backlash was most recently exemplified by an NRA ad which calls Bloomberg out by name. On August 21 Emanuel tweeted supported for Bloomberg, combined with support for the gun control group he funds as well. He wrote, “I stand with Mike & the Moms!”, and then sent a second tweet in which he wrote: “No leader has done more to help end gun violence than Michael Bloomberg. He deserves our praise, not the NRA’s shameful attacks.”

Rachel – Living in a nanny-state changes one’s perception of “safety”. That is the only conclusion one should draw from the results of a poll in the Chicago Tribune which found 55% of the residents of Chicago felt “less safe” now that concealed carry is legal in Illinois. This finding coincides with the rise in crime in the Windy City. The poll also found support for Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy was dropping sharply as compared to the previous year.

Rob- Comment It is called a push poll.  “Do you feel safer or less safe now that citizens are allowed to carry guns in the city and crime is up?

Paul- A self-described environmentalist affiliated with the Green Party of Chicago was bent out of shape by a youth shooting range at the Illinois State Fair. This is the same shooting range that has been set up in 48 other states. Charles Paidock made his displeasure known in a letter to the editor published in the State Journal-Register of Springfield, Illinois. He had gone into the Conservation World pavillion at the fair. He says, “I expected the usual stuffed-animal exhibits and information on hunting licenses in Illinois, but I did not anticipate a traveling operation with no other apparent purpose than to inculcate children on how to use guns.” Mr. Paidock was disturbed by this and made his displeasure known to both fair officials and the Illinois Dept of Natural Resources.

Rob- This guy is trying to mainstream his hoplophobia.

Rob- The financially-troubled group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership may be merged into the Second Amendment Foundation.  The survival of JPFO was in doubt after their spring fundraising drive raised hundreds of dollars rather than the tens of thousand needed to keep the organization alive.  Some JPFO members fear that JPFO will lose its character under SAF.

SAF founder Allan Gotlieb said “They approached SAF.  We said yes because it is important to the pro-gun rights movement to keep JPFO alive and make it grow.  JPFO and SAF will issue news releases when the merger becomes final late next week or the following Monday.

JFPO will get a new board of directors and function independently.  In the past we have absorbed KeepAndBearArms.com and Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership and kept them running as they were before coming under the SAF umbrella.”

Well-known libertarian author Claire Wolfe who was a contractor for JPFO begs to disagree and went public with her disagreement on Friday night. In a series of posts at Backwoods Home, she contends any merger of JPFO with SAF would be a sell-out of founder’s Aaron Zelman’s vision.

Quoting author David Codrea, “The inescapable conclusion is, had gun owners stepped up and supported a group struggling after the passing of its founder, its rescue would have been unneeded.   http://www.examiner.com/article/announced-takeover-of-jewish-gun-group-provokes-controversy

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Gary- D.C. City Council Chairman Phil Mendelson told FOX 5 on Thursday that he will appeal the gun carry ruling, making the information public for the first time. “The whole issue of the public carrying of a firearm is very complicated,” Mendelson said. “And I believe the executive and the attorney general will continue with the appeal.” Also this week, the city asked the court for six more months to rewrite its gun laws. Right now, the city has until October 22. That’s why Mendelson said gun carry will be at the top of the agenda when the city council returns from recess. “What the court said very clearly was that a complete 100-percent ban on anybody being able to get a license to carry a handgun was unconstitutional. But there’s a gray area between 100-percent ban and everybody can carry. And that’s what we’re working through.” … (My take: The District – which already has a more onerous requirements merely to register a handgun to be kept in the home than most states impose for carry permits – is stalling and hoping that it can get away with a carry-permit system as restrictive as Hawaii’s. On top of that, it will seek to ban carry in so many venues as to make lawful routine carry impossible.)

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/26341727/mendelson-says-he-will-appeal-dc-gun-carry-ruling

Comment-  Delay, deny, and obstruct.

Rachel- In Texas, blacks are protesting police violence in a particularly Southwestern way: By invoking their right to open carry. On Wednesday, more than 30 members of the newly-formed Huey P. Newton Gun Club gathered to march through South Dallas with rifles, shotguns, and AR-15s. The group eventually entered a restaurant with their weapons while Dallas police officers were inside eating lunch. “The recent murders of unarmed black, brown, and whites across the United States of America has eradicated trust in the police,” the gun club’s website states… (Of historical interest, California’s 1967 Mulford Act – which banned the open carry of a loaded firearm in a “public place” – was a response to the openly armed “Black Panther Police Patrols” in Oakland. Governor Ronald Reagan signed the bill after about two dozen Black Panthers, armed with rifles and shotguns, attempted to enter the Assembly chamber in the State Capitol. At the time, Reagan commented,“There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” )

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/black-open-carry-in-dallas

Rob- The Clark County prosecutor said Tuesday he will dismiss a firearms-related charge against a Vancouver man who said he was merely taking Vice President Joe Biden’s advice on how to defend his property from car prowlers. Instead, the man will be prosecuted for obstructing a police officer. Jeffrey C. Barton, 53, made international news when he told journalists: “I did what Joe Biden told me to do. I went outside and fired my shotgun in the air.” That is a reference to the vice president’s answer to a question in February 2013 about home defense. Biden responded that Americans don’t need to own semiautomatic weapons because a couple blasts from a shotgun will scare off intruders. Barton’s comment, dubbed the “Joe Biden defense,” was circulated widely among Second Amendment activists, and also landed a two-minute segment on “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.” …However, the firearms charge will be replaced with a charge of obstructing a law enforcement officer, Golik said. Golik said ethical guidelines prevent him from discussing specific reasons for the new charge… Barton said Tuesday that the new charge also is groundless. “Tony Golik is desperately grasping at straws to keep his ass out of a civil suit, which he’s going to get anyway,” Barton said… (Not being an advocate of “warning shots,” I’m not ecstatic to see Uncle Joe’s cockamamie advice given any legal standing. Recall that Uncle Joe also advocated firing a shotgun through a closed door, at an unseen target.)

http://www.columbian.com/news/2014/aug/19/joe-biden-defense-case-to-see-action-vancouver/

Rob- comment- Aren’t obstructing an officer and resisting arrest, and disturbing the garbage charge that keeps the police from being charged.

Paul- Last week a Maryland District court judge said modern semi-automatic rifles are only used for offense.  That is why these firearms are not protected by the right to bear arms.  Now it is clear that some citizens are more equal than others.  The Compton California school board authorized school resource officers to carry AR-15.  The local police chief said modern rifles were necessary so police could engage targets out at 150 to 300 feet and to penetrate soft body armor.

Rob- Comment- These are only offensive weapons if YOU have them. School Resource Officers are different.

Gary- Comment- It must be the blue polyester uniforms.

Rachel- I’ve said before that you are an ambassador for the gun culture, and you are are our secret weapon.  Well here is to you and this story is to your credit.  I’ll wait until the end to tell you where the story came from.  A major media company ran a video segment on women in the shooting sports.  They noted that women form a new and growing segment of the shooting sports.  The number of women target shooting has grown by 70 percent in the last 10 years.  Women have also taken up hunting, with 3 million women taking part each year.   Women are involved in every aspect of firearms ownership, not simply self-defense.  The stereotype that the NRA has scared  women into buying guns is false.  Here is the best part- the article appeared on CBS- this Morning.

Comment- Would someone look at the thermometer and check if it is snowing in hell.

Rob- In my own backyard, a California State University San Marcos faculty member  was surrounded by SWAT cops for open carrying.. that is open carrying an umbrella on campus.

It rarely rains in California, but it did this morning.  Someone called the San Diego County Sheriff’s office to report a bald white male, wearing a black shirt and jeans and walking across campus carrying a rifle. This resulted in a shelter-in place order for some 400 staff and students going through new student orientation.  Faculty and students huddled behind doors barricaded with tables and chairs.  Thirty minutes later the umbrella-bearing teacher figured out he matched the description of the alleged gunman and he contacted police to arrange his surrender.

Comment-  Hoplophobes never check for ability, opportunity and demonstrated intent.  We are raising a generation of paranoids and law enforcement who feel justified shooting someone if they carry something that could remotely look like a firearm.  We need to fight for hearts and minds.

Rachel comment – if only they had a CATI-California open carry group to help show them what rifles actually look like, so they didn’t confuse them with umbrellas.

Gun Quotes
“An attack on a hunter is an attack on all hunters, is an attack on all gun owners. Respond accordingly.” Michael Bane – Gun & Hunting Culture 2.0

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Segment 3 Interview
With Charlie Foxtrot.  This article drew some attention when I discussed the several riots I’ve seen.    Here is his facebook page.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- A home invasion ended in gunfire in a east Harris County [TX] apartment Thursday morning. Deputies were called to a shooting at the Saddle Ridge Apartments on Woodforest just before 7am. Sgt. Gary Harrison says during that home invasion, the man who lives inside the apartment shot one of the suspects in self-defense. That young man was airlifted to Ben Taub Hospital. Three suspects were involved. One other was taken into custody. The third fled the scene once gunfire erupted. Investigators are looking into whether these suspects were responsible for any earlier incidents in the area. http://abc13.com/news/resident-shoots-suspect-during-home-invasion/275001/

Gary- A 73-year-old Lilburn [GA] woman shot through a door as a burglar approached her bedroom and then she chased him out of her house, continuing to fire, according to a police report…According to a report on the incident obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Thursday, Douglas said someone rang her doorbell around 9:45 p.m. on Aug. 3. She looked out her bedroom window and spotted a truck parked nearby in the middle of the intersection of Falconhurst Drive and Hewatt Road. Douglas called 911 and waited. Moments later, however, she heard glass shattering and then the pottery she placed in front of her backdoor breaking so she grabbed her gun. According to the report, Douglas stayed in the bedroom but she “could see light from a flashlight getting closer from under the door. When she heard the doorknob turn, she fired one shot through the door. “She then heard a scream on the other side of the door and the subject fled downstairs. Douglas went downstairs and saw the subject in the kitchen looking for the back door. She fired several more shots in the general direction of the subject as he ran outside.” While detectives were still investigating at Douglas’s house, Jamie Christoper Lewis showed up at the Eastside Medical Center in Snellville with a non-life threatening gunshot wound to the chest. He was charged with burglary… (All’s well that ends well but I’d have waited until he opened the door.) http://www.ajc.com/news/news/gwinnett-woman-73-chases-burglar-suspect-from-home/ng6y3/

Paul- An Ashley Avenue woman told police she fired her gun at two teens who tried to rob her at her home Wednesday night. Charleston [SC] police responded to the woman’s home at 1311 Ashley Ave. about 10:20 p.m. and found several bullet holes in the wall and window, according to an incident report. The woman told detectives she was getting out of her car with her child in her arms when two teens with guns approached her from the rear of the apartment building. The teens ordered her into the house. Once she was inside, she ran into her bedroom, put her child on the bed and grabbed her gun, the report says. She walked into the living room where the teens were standing and started shooting, prompting the teens to run out the door. No one has been arrested, Charleston police spokesman Charles Francis said.. http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140821/PC16/140829844/1177/police-charleston-woman-shot-at-teens-who-tried-to-rob-her-at-gunpoint

Rob- A jewelry store employee shot at a suspected robber Thursday afternoon at the Asian Garden Mall. The incident occurred around 12:25 p.m. inside Tick Tock Watches in Westminster [CA]   Two men wearing ski-type masks and hooded sweatshirts entered the store, then used a hammer to break glass on a display case.  They then grabbed the merchandise. One witness reported that one of the men may have been armed with a gun.  A store employee pulled out a weapon and fired two shots at the robbers. The robbers fled the store, possibly with some merchandise, but police don’t know whether either was struck by the gunfire.. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/store-632397-collins-robbers.html

Gary- This is a tragic news item with a message.  A San Bernardino policeman remained in a medically induced coma today.  The man who assaulted the police officer was killed by the policeman’s patrol partner.  31 year old Patrolman Gabriel Garcia, 31 was in extremely critical condition in Colton, California.  Garcia is a highly commended, six-year veteran of the department who has spent much of his career on patrol duty.  His father, Ron Garcia, is a captain with the department.  Garcia and his partner- a trainee on the job for just two months – stopped to talk to a group of people standing outside a home on a cul de sac when one of group pulled a gun and opened fire.  Officer Garcia was struck three time.  Garcia’s partner fired at least 30 rounds and wounded the gunman.  The 38 year old assailant died at a hospital. Two other men at the scene were arrested and jailed.  One was held on suspicion of attempted murder, possession of an assault rifle and possession of a sawed-off rifle.  Another was was arrested in connection with outstanding traffic warrants.

Rob-  Here is a take-away: criminals don’t fight fair.  Several people attacked these officers.   The average number of people involved in an assault or strongarm robbery is 2.3 against one.  The defending officer reloaded and kept firing to neutralize the threat.

Gary- Comment- tell me again why a single citizen in California only needs 10 rounds to defend themselves?

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Gary: and we’ll see you down the road.