Episode 383 – A TON of Listener Feedback

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1- Open and Personal News Segment: 

2- News Segment:

3- Listener Feedback Segment 1

4- Listener Feedback Segment 2

5 Listener Feedback Segment 3

7- DGU Segment:

6- Show Close:

1- Introduction

 

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on 21 July, 2016.   I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk about the fatal attacks on police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we talk about an armed homeowner who stopped not one, but two armed robbers who kicked in his front door.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a ton of email .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  episode 383 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I carried every day.  I also had an interesting discussion with Tatiana Whitlock.  Some of her students hesitate to defend themselves.. but these same students are absolutely committed to defend others. I didn’t understand that.. until I thought of my grandmother.  Grandma probably wouldn’t have protected herself, but she’d run over anyone who tried to hurt one of us.  Something to think about.  I spoke on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady.  I talked to Dan and Cheryl Todd at Gun Freedom Radio, and I released episode 22 of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  Have a new book from Chris Bird titled “Surviving a Mass Killer Rampage.”

 

Rachel

A LOT of shooting!!!!!

  • Best of the West thousand yard steels
  • Regular practice with the guys at my range. Different mindset of competition training.
  • Oklahoma run ‘n’ gun last weekend. This year I’ve done extensive training and practice with pistol and long distance rifle, so I was very pleased that my best stages were those two. (.40 and magnification helped…..)
  • Distance competition this weekend in south Texas….I’ll get to see what my failings are so I can work on them!
  • Made travel plans for Kathy Jackson’s instructor course. Super excited!

 

Rob- Tap-Rack-Flip helps.  I had a qualification test where I had a malfunction, cleared it, and still made the time.

Rachel, is Best of the West the range where we’ll have the Texas Firearms Festival in October?

Gary- One of my students in my Illinois ccw class was a listener.

Rob- lists of rules- https://everyoneforgunsafety.wordpress.com/2016/04/29/firearm-safety/

Paul/Susan – T-shirts, Shooting with a fellow driver. Getting ready for Kathy Jackson classes. Was on the Politics Daily Podcast

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

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2- News 1-

 

Yet again this week we must lead off the news talking about Police being gunned down in cold blood. This time in Louisiana. In an ambush style attack a murderer killed 3 officers and injured 3 more in Baton Rouge. This came a week and a half after another single killer murdered 5 officers in Dallas. The murderer, who hailed from Kansas City was killed in the attack by a shot from a SWAT marksman that according to CNN was at “more than 100 yards and without a clear line of sight.”

 

There is really too much detail to get into in a short blurb in a podcast, but we do want to point out one heartbreaking fact. One of the officers who was killed posted this to facebook a few days before he was gunned down in cold blood.

 

Rob- you won’t have safe neighborhoods if you shoot your police.  Bizarre position where socialists want to take your guns, they tell us that police shoot black people,  and yet only the police should have guns.

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208172102718066&set=a.1493575257126.2072019.1166382007&type=3&theater

 

We should mention that the officer that posted that, was black. It seems that black lives don’t matter if they wear a blue uniform.

Black Lives Matter Intruder Shot by Off-Duty St. Louis County Officer

A young Black Lives Matter supporter took his rage into the home of a St. Louis County Policeman. Maddened by an apparently unrelated internet argument, the young man attacked his neighbor the cop. After demanding to be let in and being refused, Tyler Gebhard, 20, threw a 112 pound planter through the rear door and was about 10 feet inside when he met his fate. His family heard the officer shout “get down, get down, get down,” then shots. The off-duty officer shot to protect his wife, two children, and mother-in-law. Gebhard was hit twice in the chest and died in the local hospital.     

 

The investigation is still ongoing, but police chief Jon Belmar said “I don’t think the officer had a choice — I honestly don’t.” The situation was “a very difficult position to be in.”

 

Gebhard’s uncle said; “He walked over there and into a gunfight. When he got there, he was met with a gun and the guy killed him.” The uncle believes a Facebook argument about Black Lives Matter triggered his nephew to take on the nearest cop. The investigation found the deceased Facebook page full of “anti-law enforcement and anti-white” threats. “(His posts were) erratic, sporadic, and some are very threatening and menacing.” Gebhard’s Facebook account also referenced police shootings of black men and the killing of five officers in Dallas. Some arguments featured warnings of a “race war.”

 

A police investigators said the internet posts are “All over the place. It puts on display the type of mental and/or emotional crisis he was going through.” Gebhard’s family said the young man suffered from bipolar disorder and schizophrenia and had a history of not taking his medications.

 

It is a tragedy that the life of a promising young man ended in a haze of mental illness and hate. However, in these difficult times, we all must be aware of what the current environment can do to the unstable, excitable, mentally ill or those seeking personal gain.  And we must be prepared.

Stay safe out there – it’s an increasingly dangerous world.

 

Rob-  Gebhard didn’t walk into a gunfight.  He broke into someone’s home and advanced on the homeowner.  Gebhard committed suicide by homeowner.  I’m sorry he skipped his medication.

 

Rachel

Gary-

Rob- I went out of my way to say thank you to the deputies and patrolmen I’ve met.

 

Gun Quotes-  For a people who are free and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security. -Thomas Jefferson: 8th Annual Message, 1808

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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3- Interview 1

 

4- Interview 2

 

5- DGUs

 

Two on One – the Resident Wins

Five adults and an infant can be thankful to be alive and unharmed after their Palm Coast, Florida home was invaded by two armed and violent men. In the words of a resident, “(T)he next thing I know my door is being kicked in and and I see a gun in my face.” Another heard demands for money.  

 

Darien Corbett, 21, told investigators that he tried to hold the door while he retrieved his own handgun. “I opened the door and he pointed it and I just closed my eyes and shot twice and then my gun stopped working.” Those two shots were enough. Victor James Betty, 28, dropped to the floor. His accomplice, Carl Devore, 19, fled without getting any of the money or drugs they came for. Betty died at the scene and Devore later turned himself into the police. He will likely face second-degree murder and attempted home invasion robbery charges.

 

The Sheriff’s office would not say if the resident will be charged. They are discussing the matter with the State Attorney’s Office to see if charges are warranted. However, under Florida’s Castle Doctrine, a resident is allowed to defend their home.  

 

Paul – All is well that ends well, however PLEASE never close both eyes when you have a gun in your hands.

 

Rob- Disparity of force.  Lethal threat, imminent risk of great bodily harm.

 

The Rapist Next Door
This next DGU shows the importance of being armed, the futility of restraining orders, and the sheer callousness of the authorities that would demand you rely upon that powerless piece of paper.  

 

Early on a Saturday night, an ex-boyfriend tried to force his way into a woman’s home.  He banged on the windows and doors and eventually kicked open a door and gained access to the home. The homeowner fired several times, and her assailant turned and ran a couple of hundred feet before collapsing. Patrick Dewayne Decker of Leitchfield, Kentucky was pronounced dead at the scene. In defending her life, the victim did not rely on a worthless restraining order, but her pistol, and put several rounds into her attacker’s chest.


Decker’s ex-girlfriend had an domestic violence order in place. However, the order was recently changed to allow Decker to live in his parent’s home, which — was next door to the woman’s house. At that time, the authorities knew that Decker had an extensive criminal record that included burglary, rape, kidnapping and assault. Incredibly, callously, the authorities permitted that violent felon to live next door to the woman the restraining order was supposedly meant to protect. In that insane scenario, his ex-girlfriend naturally feared for her life and the life of her 11-year-old son. Fortunately, she was ready when the all-too-predictable happened.

You should be also.

 

Paul – Is a piece of paper enough? In this case it wasn’t.

Barefootin’ to a Gun — and Safety

A quiet night alone with Netflix instantly turned into anything but for a young Boise, Idaho woman. Julie Dietz, 36, found herself jumping from her couch to her door to respond to her neighbor’s cries for help. “Because of my field, because of some of my training, I didn’t go running out there,” said Dietz, an experienced state correctional officer. She cracked open her front door to appraise the situation. The boy gasped out that he had been shot. He was in obvious distress, bleeding out from bullet wounds to the chest and hand.  

 

Dietz ordered the boy to drop the handgun he was cradling badly. He complied and then collapsed on the porch. A trained EMT, Dietz applied pressure to the chest wound to stem the flow of blood while calling 911. Things got infinitely more complicated as the boy’s mother and sister ran toward her house screaming; “He’s got a gun! He’s going to kill us!” The “he”, a former boyfriend of the neighbor, then emerged from their house. Comprehending the radically changed nature of the threat, Dietz ran back into her house for her own personal firearm. She could not trust the one the boy had carried.  

Pistol in hand, she directed her neighbors into her basement, as the assailant went to the his truck for an AR-15 style weapon, which he used to shoot up Dietz’s entryway. She ran barefoot through shards of glass to take up a defensive position behind a wall at the top of the staircase. With a commanding view of her shattered doorway, she waited, bleeding, gun in hand, for the assailant. However, the ex stayed by his truck with its stash of weapons and ammunition: he was waiting for the cops to arrive. The madman, the head of custodial services at the Boise VA Medical Center, took his own life after shooting a responding officer. That officer was saved by his bullet-resistant vest – as the boy was saved by Dietz’s first-aid.  

 

As we analyzed this situation, it became abundantly clear that this woman did everything exceedingly well. Taking advantage of her varied training, experience, and probably a double helping of intellect and iron core, she went from couch potato, to medical tech, to protector, to aggressive defender seamlessly, as the situation and threats rapidly evolved. Perhaps we could fault her for not carrying in her home and for opening the door unarmed; but her courage, decisiveness and leadership overcame the deadly challenges and allowed her to save the lives of her neighbors and herself.

In her own words: “I was ready to protect us, if necessary. I can’t imagine how much worse I would be feeling if I didn’t have my own handgun, if I would have been sitting there waiting for him to finish us off,” Dietz said. “So that’s (what) I’m very thankful for.”

We can be thankful for the lessons she provided us. Well done, Ms. Dietz, well done indeed.

Gary –

Rob- Advanced self-defense is knowing when you can safely retreat and when you need to advance and stop a threat.  It isn’t a perfect science.  It isn’t an equation.  Practice recognizing those situations.

Rachel-yes. Know yourself.

 

Don’t Bring an AK-47 to a Waffle House Fight

You don’t mess with a Texan’s enjoyment of his scattered, smothered, and covered hashbrowns, as a young Dallas man found out. Antione Devon Cooper, 26, decided that 2:30 am Thursday was a good time to practice some free-lance tax collecting at the local Waffle House. He brought along an AK-47 to ease the transactions. Cooper made the IRS proud, efficiently robbing the restaurant as well as several customers. He then smoothly made his way out into the parking lot.  

However, one customer, fearful that his wife would drive into the middle of that scene, followed Cooper out of the Waffle House. The customer called out to the robber, who turned and pointed the AK-47. Shots rang out, but it was the customer, with his legal CCW pistol, who made the hits. Cooper collapsed to the asphalt, and was taken by police to the hospital, where he remains on life support. The customer was not arrested.     

We can only applaud the man’s defense of his wife, and marvel at the courage it took to face an AK-47 with a pistol. His success indicates that he had some tactical skills that allowed him to even the odds successfully. We’ll also note in passing that Waffle House is an AK-47 free zone.

Guys (and gal)?  

Rob- Can you make hits at 2:30 at night with your firearm.

 

Attorney Shot After Invading Old Guy Couple’s Home

And finally, we have yet another in our fan favorite “Don’t Torque off the Old Guys” series.

 

Years ago, Charles Dickens wrote “The law is an ass.” If so, this attorney is definitely the hole.   ;^)’   Chattanooga attorney, Matthew Jack Fitzharris, 29, was charged with a host of crimes including aggravated assault against the elderly, making terroristic threats, entering an automobile or other motor vehicle with intent to commit theft or felony, and burglary, simple assault and criminal damage to property. He had a busy, busy night.  

 

The attorney carried something in a blanket when he invaded a sprightly old couple’s home. When Alice Hanshaw demanded the the stranger leave, he responded with “I’m not leaving your (bleeping) home.” Quite reasonably, she threatened to shoot him. “You won’t shoot me,” replied the slow-on-the-uptake Fitzharris. She responded with “My husband was a Marine and he will shoot you,” and gave Delbert Hanshaw the gun.

 

That motion before the court carried, and Fitzharris beat a hasty retreat, saying; “I’m sorry, I have the wrong house.” However, he soon recanted, returned, grabbed the blanketed items, and ran up the back stairs to where the Hanshaws’ niece lived. From the top of the stairs Fitzharris hurled plants and threats to “(bleep) y’all up.” Failing to climb onto the roof, the counselor ran back down the stairs, tried to hit the old guy and gal, and then ran toward the their front door.

 

The remarkably restrained former Marine said, “If you don’t leave, I will kill your ass.” The remarkably stupid Fitzharris replied “You don’t have any bullets.” A McLatchy into the ground proved him wrong. As all good attorneys would, Fitzharris ignored that contrary evidence and lunged at the old guy. As all good Marines would, the old guy put two rounds into Fitzharris. Just before midnight, police found the wounded lawyer sitting in his car. He was loaded (I’ll say) into an ambulance and taken to a hospital and then to jail with a cast on his arm. Fitzharris’ mouthpiece, attorney McCracken Poston (you just can’t make this (bleep) up) said that a suspected psychological problem may be at play. (Really?)

It just goes to show you that even an attorney shouldn’t torque off an old guy, especially when he’s a Marine, and even more especially when the old guy’s wife is feeding him guns and orders.  

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Voice mail #1

Dominant eyes

 

Rob- Lots of tricks. Don’t let this stop you.

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Text message #1

Any advice on carrying and shooting w weak hand? Wife hasn’t been carrying and shooting. The safety on her Shield is too much for her to trip w her thumb. She has an sp101. But the holster is for right side.

 

Rob- Hmm.  Ambi safety?  A glock swap?

Rachel-shield without a safety….lots of dry fire….be very conscious of your grip & trigger

Gary –

 

Email # 1

My wife and I had an enlightening experience last weekend while camping. A black bear, about 300 pounds, came into our campsite at 1:15 am and was sniffing around the edge of our tent. Seeing its silhouette as it worked its way around completed the adrenaline dump.

 

My wife was fairly composed through the whole event and we talked about it afterward. I asked her what her plan was and she said she was trying to be as invisible  as possible. I asked what she would have done if that didn’t work and the bear got into the tent.  She thought about it and admitted that she never wanted to be completely unable to defend herself again.

 

After the adrenaline dump wore off we both agreed that being invisible is rather ineffective as one’s only action- for both two and four legged predators. I will tread lightly but help my wife find the right  options for her. For me though it’s pretty much pants on gun on from now on.

 

– Jerry

 

Rachel-kudos to you for your approach. Conversation, but letting her make her decision.

Gary –

Rachel-regardless of what handgun would work on a bear, that kind of wake-up experience can be valuable in making you think and prepare for other scenarios

Rob-

 

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Email #2

Howdy everyone,

Thank you for reading and commenting on Brian’s email regarding vision.  It inspired me to share my journey related to this topic.

When I was about eight years old, I was excited to shoot my first BB gun off of my grandfather’s back porch.  Since I am right handed, I shot the Red Rider right handed.  But my granddad noticed that I was craning my head over so I was able to line up the sights with my left eye.  It turns out I am left eye dominant.  So, I learned to shoot left handed.  My grandad, who was a lefty, even gave me his .22 that ejects from the bottom so I wouldn’t have brass flying in front of my face.  That rifle is one of my most cherished possessions.

About seven years ago I got into handguns.  So, I thought I had to shoot pistols left handed, too.  I purchased a pistol with ambidextrous controls for that reason (shouldn’t all pistols have them anyway?).  When I obtained my CHL, I purchased a left handed holster.  Then, I learned that I didn’t have to shoot pistols left handed.  But, when shooting right handed, I have found that a Weaver stance helps me to ensure the handgun comes up to my dominant left eye.

As was mentioned by others, I also have to deal with over 50 eyes.  Fiber optic sights have intrigued me, but I have another issue.  Being red-green color blind, I don’t know what to expect.  Let’s just say that there are times that the color red or orange blends into a green backdrop.  So, I avoid those colors whenever possible.  Wardrobe decisions are another topic!

At this point I carry stock sights.  But, I have purchased a new pistol with an RMR.  It is basically a full size version of the compact model I now carry.  

Currently I am running a 1,000 round trigger job on the new one.  I have a new Cobra OWB holster and Jason made sure it would accommodate the red dot.  It is a nice set up!  

Thank you for all that you do!

Craig
Houston, Texas

 

Email #3

Look forward to every show. Much as I could use yet another Gagh recipe, here’s a family recipe to satisfy you guys’ Tex-mex cravings. Created by my Houston-born-and-bred mother after my dad was stationed at Malmstrom AFB in Great Falls, Montana, back in early ’60’s. Back then, there were no Mexican restaurants – a real shock to the family. Of course,  now one can get pretty decent Tex-Mex, or a variant thereof, most anywhere. Back then, we were on our own.

 

Have not made it in a long time – my s.o. won’t touch beans – so am not positive of the cooking specs.

 

In a lasagne dish, lay corn tortillas.

Add chili – preferable “Wolf” brand   WOLF BRAND CHILI Old West Cowboy Western Vintage TV Commercial

Layer chopped onion, cheese, torts, more chili, onion, then top with cheese.

Bake till onions soften and cheese melts – maybe 30 minutes at 325?

Serves Mom, Dad, three boys, but only once – no leftovers were ever seen!

 

Basically, Mexican lasagne. But 55 years ago, we called it Mom’s Mexican Mess.

 

-Frank

 

Email #4

Hi all,Mark Saunders

www.PBase.com/Saunders_Photography

A few months ago I had asked for you opinions about getting an AR-15 or a 357 lever action rifle for home defense.  Well, I bought a NY compliant, not so scary, AR-15.  It was made by a local firearms mfg/dealer, www.specopmfg.com.  It has a Spikes Tactical lower and a Lucid red dot scope.  It shoots well and I’m glad I got it.  

Here’s a photo of it:

 

Keep up the good work that you do.  I enjoy listening to the show.


Mark

 

CF: Congratulations, Mark. NICE rifle. And I’d REALLY like to know how you like the Lucid for close to moderate distance work.  .

 

Email #5

Hello All,

 

I am contacting you yet again in a desperate attempt to avoid another recipe.

 

This topic is with regard to traffic stops as you had discussed in a recent episode.  One aspect of traffic stops that was not discussed is when a child or spouse regularly drives a vehicle that is registered in your name and you hold a concealed carry license.  They must be educated and reminded often regarding how to act and why.  This can be especially true when the driver does not look like the name on the registration.  For instance, my daughters do not look like a “Carl”.  An officer might be comforted (or should be) to know that he has stopped a person who has been through a background check, but if the driver in no way resembles the name on the registration, he would most likely be in a heightened state of awareness.

 

My daughters were also reminded to never, ever, submit to a request to search the vehicle.  If it is a direct order from the officer, then they understood that they should not resist.  They have nothing to hide, but who knows what a passenger or former owner of the vehicle might have left in there.

 

Also, if you allow someone to use your vehicle, be sure to remove anything firearm related.

 

Thanks again for the work all of you do.

 

Carl

 

As an aside, I listen to the podcast as I drive to some of my work locations, as far away as a whole 1.5 hours, which is nothing to a truck driver.   For very long drives I suggest downloading audiobooks from the local public library.  My wife and I recently made a trip to Asheville, NC and were entertained by the likes of Agatha Christie and Isaac Asimov.

Gary –

 

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Email #6!

First off, love the show!

My question to you is about “gun control”. I have been a self defense , personal responsibility, advocate for my entire life and now believe that the battle is not at all about guns, but rather control. Yes, I realize this is a sound bite, but really what does this mean?
    I believe there are leaders and followers, leaders are a pain to work with. They always want to think, and manage their own lives. From a herd management standpoint, these mavericks need to be cut out of the herd. But how?

     Color?     No. There are thousands of independent, responsible, self managing people of color.

    Age?      No. Some of the most motivated, independent people I know are young people. Liberty is not just for the Greatest Generation.

     Education?   No.
     Income?      No.
     Rural vs urban?     No.
     Pick up truck ownership?  I don’t think so.

   But, gun ownership? Now that’s an idea!
What better way to segregate the herd?

Gun registration ?  Or herd segregation?

 

Email #7:

Rachel,

 

This is [name withheld] from a conversation on June 15th!  So sorry for not getting back that day!  I feel horrible!

 

So I texted you about the broadcast previous to June 15th where one of the other hosts had chided you a little about not being willing to vote for ‘the least evil’ candidate. ‘Sure he’s not the best, but you have to vote for Trump because the alternative is electing XX.’

 

Anyway, I am right there with you.  I really believe the two parties have a collusion together, otherwise, why do they both keep presenting poor candidates? Like I don’t really see Clinton as a candidate that can get elected(unless all out election rigging takes place), and so America is left with Trump.  And he is quite Liberal, and in many ways not conservative at all(except maybe in protecting big business and profits/tax writeoffs), but so many Republicans are falling in line so obediently because ‘the alternative is so horrendous.’  So we end up begging for a poor candidate and can’t really complain when he does crappy stuff.  And instead, when he does crappy stuff, we just blame it all on the other party and say ‘see, his hands were tied. they wouldn’t let him get anything passed. they wouldn’t compromise or cross the party isle. etc etc etc.’

The exact argument happened at the previous election, and I wasn’t at all thrilled with Romney, and most Conservative Americans weren’t either……But the alternative: “another term of Obama, was so HORRIBLE” that again, we were fear mongered into voting for the ‘lesser of two evils’

 

I didn’t, and I won’t this time.  I will vote my conscience if there is a good candidate out there (third party or whatever), or I will place NO vote for presidential candidate.

 

Until Americans of both parties, but especially of the conservative side, start to protest and refuse to eat the slop the party puts forward(and I fully believe that even, ‘outsider Trump’ is fully vetted and approved by the party decision makers) then we will cease to get a single GOOD candidate and will only receive the candidate most likely to move forward the party leaders’ agenda.

 

Again, my apologies for not getting this to you ‘in a timely manner’.   Keep up the good work you are doing!   My wife and family appreciate individuals such as yourself and the others on the PS podcast for educating, promoting and actively doing those things that our nation so desperately need!!

 

I am doing a little, our family (mostly my boys and I) have a YouTube channel that is a mild attempt at an alternative to modern culture entertainment crap.  We aren’t all that developed yet, but have a couple videos that have done well.  And we are learning a lot in the process.  It is the Healthy Family Variety Channel: http://youtube.com/c/HealthyFamilyVarietyChannel

 

Thanks again, and maybe we will get my wife into one of your courses/Events in the future!

 

Sincerely,

[a listener from Texas]

 

Rob- Write yourself in.  I wrote about it here.  He Found the Perfect Candidate

 

Paul : I will once again say that if you don’t want to vote for a president I can understand that however I would urge you to PLEASE vote for a pro gun congressperson and senator.

 

Rob- Here are the states where votes count .. and shut up about politics for the next 40 years.

 

Rachel-

 

Gary-

 

Rob- I’ve seen skewed results depending on who the poll-takers call. The difference lies in polling registered voters vs likely voters.  You can determine the polling results by choosing your sample.

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote an article saying that the Orlando murders were a wake up call for the LGBT community.  Government won’t save us.  There were so many failures that left the victims disarmed and vulnerable.  My articles are up at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

 

Paul and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 382 – Officer Down in Dallas

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/382.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment: 

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Marty Hayes from ACLDN

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Pete from the Gunshow Loophole Tour

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

 

Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on, 2016.  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the attacks on Dallas Police.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Marty Hayes of the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we talk about a self-defense story where four robbers attacked a single person, but the victim was armed.. So climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 382 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Carried every day.  I’ve taken some training recently.  I wrote down my weaknesses and then dry practiced to make them better.  Last Sunday I was on the Gun Talk radio program with Tom Gresham.  Thursday, I recorded a segment with Ben Branam on his Modern Self-Defense podcast.  I put out another episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  Yesterday I recorded an interview with Bob Mayne on his Handgun World podcast.  I want to ask our listeners for their suggestions. Is there a flash hider that had fine slots in it and would reduce noise or direct noise away from the shooter without being called a suppressor?

 

Paul

 

John – I spent Saturday afternoon working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth at the local gun show with Barb. We talked to a number of people. I was a bit surprised that it wasn’t packed given the events in Dallas and all the talk about gun control. I also e-filed two ATF Form 1’s for permission to build a .22 and a .45 silencer. I think a lot of people are or were rushing to do this as the website kept crashing on me. I finally did it at 5am on Saturday morning when I was up answering the call of nature.

 

Gary

 

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

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2- News 1

 

Leading our news this week is the shocking attack on Dallas Police officers.

 

It is with heavy hearts that we must report that an attack on Friday evening July 8th claimed the lives of 5 Dallas area law enforcement officers. While details are still a little unclear as of Sunday morning when we record this, it appears as though a single gunman took a long gun and ended the lives of the police officers who had been working to try and maintain order during a Black Lives Matter protest.

 

Keeping with our long standing policy of not naming mass killers on our show, we do however note that the person being named as the killer had no criminal history, and according to police appears to have acted alone.

 

According to published reports the killer was apparently upset over shootings in Louisiana and Minnesota where people were killed in confrontations with law enforcement. He stated during a standoff with police that his goal was to kill white people, especially white police officers.

 

Bristol Tennessee has seen Black Lives Matter violence as well this week. While only killing one person, the thug in this case went on a walking tour of Bristol and wounded many. On this killers Facebook page was found much racist rhetoric as well.

 

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims of these horrific assaults.

 

Rob- I thought it was revealing that the Dallas protesters hid behind the police once shots broke out.  Being poor and black is hard.  Most of those problems are not caused by the police.  If the cops wanted to hurt blacks, then the police would stop responding to crime in black areas.   Unfortunately we are seeing copycat attacks across the US.

 

John – So much of what is first reported is wrong.

Paul – It is more important than ever that you get armed and get trained

Rob- Second reports that the long gun was an SKS.

Gary –

John – I do have trouble with the use of the robot and the bomb.

Rob- I don’t.

Paul – I don’t either, the guy was saying that he had bombs “all over the place”

 

-Here is a side of the black community we don’t see often enough.  WHAT IF we stopped trying to get guns off the street of our large cities, and instead started licensing young men to legally carry a gun.  Maj Toure has a campaign called Black Guns Matter.   Toure is a young African American man who grew up in North Philadelphia.  He carried a gun illegally and later became an official, dues-paying NRA member and legal gun owner.

 

Quote “The stigma, especially in an urban environment like Philly, is if you have a gun, you’re either law enforcement or the bad guy.  What we’re trying to do is say that just because you have a gun doesn’t make you the bad guy.  But while you have your firearm, which you have the right to have, you have to be a responsible, card-carrying good guy.”  close quote

 

And a card-carrying good guy includes those people protecting themselves against a bad guy breaking into their home, or a bad guy shooting up a public space.  Quote, “there is no difference between a white gun culture or black gun culture.. Our aim is to try to get more people on the side of the informed gun culture” close quote.

 

John – Rick Ector is doing the same sort of work and training in Detroit.

Rob-  Toure isn’t the first, but it is great to hear him promote responsible gun ownership in the black community.

 

Gun Quotes-  Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King Jr.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back to talk with Marty Hayes of ACLDN

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3- Interview 1 Marty Hayes – Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network

Firearms Academy of Seattle

4- Interview 2 Pete – Gun Show Loophole Tour

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5- DGUs

 

CCW Carrier Shoots Knife Wielding Hostage Taker

In just a few seconds, a gas station customer had to make the most difficult decision — and shot of his life.

 

A man robbed an East Ridge, Tennessee Kangaroo gas station and convenience store. Along with cash and cigarettes, the thief grabbed a female employee, pressing a large knife to her neck. He dragged her into the parking lot – likely to a horrible fate. However, a sharp eyed customer had realized the store was being robbed and retrieved his firearm from the car. On the store’s front sidewalk, the robber, still holding the woman at knife point, confronted the armed citizen. In that awful scenario, the man reacted and shot several times, hitting the assailant. The career criminal died, the woman hostage was unharmed.   

 

East Ridge Police Captain Tim Mullinax was quick to call the citizen “lucky.” The facts certainly speak otherwise. Self-defense guru Michael Bane talks about “delivering the shot.” That is, having sufficient equipment, training and practice to make the shot that must be made. In using the gun precisely to eliminate the threat and save the woman, this citizen certainly ”delivered the shot.” It was a horrible risk, if the hostage had been injured, the citizen would have faced jail time. Despite what the Captain said, it was the woman who was lucky – that citizen put his life, liberty and finances on the line for her safety.     

 

Rob- I wonder if the citizen shot IPSC or USPSA.  I read that the police would have prosecuted the hero if he missed.  A policeman would have been excused if he missed.

Paul – I have trained and practiced to take that shot. I would encourage our listeners to as well.

Rob- That should get us out range.

 

Four Against One On the Mean Streets of Detroit
Four robbers on one victim isn’t all that unusual on the mean streets of Detroit.  However, this time it was different: the victim had brought along a friend, his conceal carry weapon. When the four thugs approached the off-duty security guard, demanded his money and then hit him on the head with a baton, he pulled his licensed concealed firearm and shot. A 21-year-old fell and his three buddies left him there on the street. The unnamed criminal remains hospitalized in serious condition.

Another win for POGO!

Rob- the security guard was walking from the bus to a friends house.  The thugs had robbed a woman earlier that hour.

Paul – I don’t know if I would have waited until being struck

John – took a bus? Think about if it had been in Illinois.

 

Not a Rose Garden

We never promised you a rose garden – or one that was crime free. A romantic walk through a Eugene, Oregon rose garden put a young couple in harm’s way. During their stroll, they were approached by a man asking for money. When Jason Rorex refused, the man pulled a knife. Rorex flashed a gun. Realizing he had just brought a knife to a gunfight, Adolfo Rodriguez, 29, pocketed his knife and walked away. The police were called and arrested the slow moving Rodriguez. He will possibly face armed robbery charges.   

 

Rorex and his date were relieved that he had his pistol that day. He doesn’t always carry, but after the recent events in Orlando, he started openly carrying.

POGO: you’re doing it right!  And Shannon – this is a DGU without a shot fired, just like the vast majority of DGUs. Yes, toots, they do happen. A lot.  

 

Paul – possibly face robbery

Rob- I’ll only carry if I have to go someplace dangerous.  This was the middle of the day, busy park.  Yeah, carry everywhere.

 

The Gun Is a Tool — You Are The Weapon
A Toledo, Ohio robbery perfectly illustrates the old maxim that a gun is just a tool – you are the weapon. While buying a drink at Circle K, Michael Keith was surprised and forced into his own car at gunpoint. Matthew Johns threatened that he would shoot his victim’s legs off if he didn’t move. Keith obviously decided that the only way to make a bad situation worse was to go with the attacker; kidnappings don’t usually end well. In Keith’s words; “I wasn’t going to die tonight.” The only way out was to resist – totally.

 

Keith’s opening gambit smashed Johns’ head against the car window. That worked spectacularly, and Keith forced both of them out of the car and onto the ground. During the scrum, Johns dropped his gun, which Keith quickly used to bash his opponent’s head. “I wasn’t going to do anything. I was just hitting him in the head with it since I wasn’t going to shoot him. And he tackled me up against the pole that’s over there and when I started screaming out for help.” <unquote> At that moment, Johns decided he was done with this – and ran.

 Police arrested Johns sometime later. He will be charged with aggravated robbery and felonious assault. Keith was treated for minor injuries and released.

Well done, sir! Sometimes, like our anti-gun opponents, we focus too much on the firearm. But the gun is only a tool. It is the user’s will to survive, to defend, to overcome, to win that’s important. And that will can triumph even without the use of a firearm.

 

Bagged an armed bad guy, without being armed, no shots fired…. Well done, indeed.

Paul – a gun can still be used as a club

 

Who need Medical Marijuana – It’s Colorado!

Combine an accused felon, a janitor, a robbery on a university campus (hey, that never happens!), a foot pursuit, sagging pants, takeout, a good samaritan, bushes and a choke hold and you get this confusing tale from confused Colorado.  

Kaleb Caddy, 24, stopped by an university area eatery after a Colorado Rockies <spit> game. Bringing the food back to his car, he was treated to the sight of a young man, a wallet in one hand, trying to run while hobbled by his sagging pants. Then an older man, blowing hard, staggered up and asked for help. He was chasing the man who robbed him at gunpoint on the University of Northern Colorado campus.

Caddy took up the chase after grabbing his own handgun from the trunk. Saggy Britches escaped over a fence, but still found himself under Caddy’s gun. “I told him to freeze. I pointed my firearm at him. I told him to drop the wallet and wait for the police,” Caddy said. The thief obliged, but spooked when Caddy put his gun in his pocket.  Caddy chased and tackled the thief into some bushes, and ended the short struggle with a wrestler’s choke hold he learned in high school. When the police finally arrived, they took Ronald Lee Gonzales, 24, into custody. Gonzales had been out on bail for just a week after a felony menacing arrest. The busy Gonzales was due back in court in a couple of weeks.  

While we applaud the civic mindedness of Caddy, it’s obvious that he risked an awful lot in chasing an armed criminal. The gun was later found to be a replica, but that only matters in hindsight. No lives were being endangered, so a carrier probably should try to stay out of the mess. And when Caddy captured and held the criminal… well, there are ways to do that better. Fortunately, everything came out for the best. But, before Caddy chases the next person with their pants around their ankles, we sincerely hope he gets some training.  

 

Paul – we are NOT the police

John – I just want to know how the guy got over the fence with sagging pants!

Rob- I know how the guy felt when you realize the robber victimized and old guy.

Gary –

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Voice Mail –

 

Email #1

 

Dear Polite Society,

Here’s a large multi-part email you can address over the course of multiple episodes if needed!

I am so sorry to have neglected my duties of writing in emails. I would personally like to apologize to the entire listener base for having to endure Paul’s recipe and specifically apologize to Gary. I will try to never let you down again!


I had, however, left a message for a little discussion on the Polite Society’s facebook messenger I was hoping would make the air! The massacre in Orlando led to some polarizing discussions on social media: I was wondering if the cast had any advice discerning when people are worth debating and when you should consider them a lost cause.. I lost much sleep over this.

I liked the sound of Project Blazing Sword, I certainly will be offering my services to anyone in need for free basic firearm safety training.
I agree that my time is worth something and I need to be paid for my more extensive classes like my six hour Permit to Carry.

Thanks for inviting those Geeks onto the show to ramble on about their gadgets and breaking a plethora of sound barriers, that was pretty entertaining. Special Thanks to Matt for *almost* giving me credit for lending out the gun Pat used to take 2nd place at Mag40!

I’m going to stand behind Paul on his comments towards the DGU where the armed citizen had a 1 in 15 hit ratio. I’d remind the audience that every bullet fired has a lawyer attached to it. Where did those other 14 go? Was the shooter certain of their stopping point? If he couldn’t get more than 1 out of 15 to land, I doubt that. We owe it to society to have judicious marksmanship. Know your abilities and do not exceed them when lives are at stake.

I hope everyone is taking advantage of low ammo prices and plentiful availability before the election, I sat myself down and took inventory of my reserves.
I’d like to bring attention to the #AmmoCanChallenge issued out by Paul Markel on Student of the Gun Radio. What we are supposed to do it purchase an empty 50BMG sized steel ammo can and fill it with loose training ammo before September 1st. No cardboard, plastic trays, foam, etc. I don’t want to hear people complaining if the shelves are empty around election time!

Thanks for everything y’all do. Stay safe out there; stay dangerous!

-Clayton

P.S. Over 3,000 of the emails thanking Gary were from me.

Rob- training ammo, or sd?

 

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All,

I just wanted to point out that as early as June 16 the Buckeye Firearms Association offered to help educate the LGBT on firearms and self-defense – for free.

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/self-defense-class-offered-lgbt-community

BFA is a great organization.  In 2012 they also responded to the danger to our children by : http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/armed-teacher-training-program-provide-free-training-educators

From that article, “The program will begin by accepting 24 teachers. All expenses, including class tuition, ammunition, and lodging (which are expected to total approximately $1,000 per teacher), will be paid by Buckeye Firearms Foundation and outside donations.”

Carl

 

Rob- a gun range in Houston offered free training for LGBT also.

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Hello,

 

I hope you all are well. I was wondering if you had some insight on the following scenario.

 

When a criminal attacks a law abiding citizen, and the citizen must respond with deadly force and succeeds to stop, but not kill the criminal, does that fact that the criminal will likely seek revenge at a later time factor into the magnitude of deadly force that should be used?

 

I’m  guessing that legally, the potential for future harm cannot be rational for responding to a current active threat, but I struggle a little with this scenario. When I hear all the DGU’s that end with the criminal being hurt, but not killed, I wonder about the future safety of the intended victims, and was curious to hear your comments.

 

Thank you very much. Love the show!

 

Regards,

 

Brian

Joshua, TX

 

Rob- You can’t use information you don’t know at the time.

John – I agree with Rob. You shoot to stop not necessarily kill.

Paul – when properly applied deadly force is well… deadly however hot all situations end up as expected

Gary –

John – I’ve been reading Nobel laureate Daniel Kahneman’s Thinking Fast and Slow.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote an article thanking our listeners. I’m grateful because they know violence exists.  They studied how we are attacked and how we might respond.  Armed Americans considered how they would respond to violence if they were with family, with friends, or alone.   They visualized how they would escape or stop the threat until law enforcement arrived.  Armed Americans know murderers can be stopped.  There is a lot that everyone can learn from Armed America, but for now I’ll say thank you.  That article and more are at Ammoland and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

Paul

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John- Since we last recorded I’ve posted a number of blog posts. There are two I’d like to point out. The first ties in with the email from Carl above. I noted that there is a new LGBTQ PAC called the Pride Fund to End Gun Violence (sic). I find it very sad that a gay-oriented organization would be so anti-self-defense and anti-self-reliance. I look at the work that that Erin Palette has done with his Operation Blazing Sword as well as the work that Pink Pistols does and then there is this. I just make you want to shake your head. The other post I would like to point out is about the blood dancing of the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence (sic). Less than 2 hours after the murders of police officers in Dallas when we really knew nothing they were blaming lax gun laws in Texas for the murders. Their commenters were also blaming, of course, the NRA and surprisingly libertarians and the Koch brothers. I find this blood dancing disgusting as I hope do all civilized people.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Paul –

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Recipe choices – Asparagus Macaroni Loaf, Head cheese, Jellied Chicken, Vienna Sausage Shortcake, Pickle Stretcher Salad, or Klingon Gagh (Gawk)

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Marty Hayes from ACLDN and Pete from gunwebsites.com) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Sue: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 381 – FASTER Program

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1- Open and Personal News Segment 

2- News Segment 

3- FASTER Program

4- Why the TSA must go

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

 

Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Saturday, July 2nd, 2016.  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show I’ll talk about teachers who are armed with bullets and bandages in the classroom.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a subway murderer in Chicago with 45 prior arrests.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about another nightclub shooting…with a difference… so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 381 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Thank you for putting out some great episodes while I was off getting blisters.  I trained with Chris Cerino.  That class was put on by the Buckeye Firearms Foundation’s FASTER program that trains school teachers to carry guns and bandages in the classroom.  Trained with Paul Carlson and got to shoot with Dr. John Edeen.  I spoke on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady, and I put out two more episodes of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

 

John – I missed being on the last show because I was touring colleges in North Carolina with my niece Grace. We visited my alma mater Guilford College and had a private tour of Wake Forest University by Prof. David Yamane – GunCulture2.0 blog – who has been on the show in the past. Guilford’s campus looked similar but I’m afraid it is infested with SJWs. (Proposal to have professors publicly confess their racism)

 

Rob- This Grace is not Olivia Grace we’ve heard so much about.

 

In better news, I finished assembling my Charlie Foxtrot DMR AR-15. Last summer I got to meet Charlie in person and something he said about Designated Marksman Rifles spurred my interest. I bought virtually all the parts over the year on one sale or another. I plan to take it out Monday to sight it in and wring it out. I am also thinking of sending in a Form 1 to the ATF to build my own suppressor. I’ve been doing a lot of reading on it and it is easier than you’d think.

 

Gary

 

Paul/Susan Range trip last weekend. New glasses.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here. I plan on asking each co host why they train. Leaning toward we all train in case the worst case scenario happens. I plan on pushing the handgun retention class because this is the worst of the worst case scenarios.

 

Break

2- News 1

 

Who said the Police will protect you?  CTA Killer of Young Mother Had 45 Prior Arrests.

In The City of Peace, aka Chicago, a young mother of two was brutally murdered, while fellow subway passengers recorded the assault on their smartphones. No one came to her aid as she begged for mercy while being stabbed repeatedly by her ex. Finally, he slit her throat. Jessica Hampton, 25, bled her life out onto the dirty floor of a Chicago Transit Authority subway car. Her alleged killer, Arthur Jones, 29, has been charged with murder, as well as aggravated battery of a police officer and attempting to disarm an officer. He is being held without bond. Finally.

 

Finally, because Chicago is complicit in her murder. Chicago authorities long ignored the obvious threat of this man and his crimes. Jones had accumulated 45 arrests in his short life, and yet was still allowed to prowl the streets. His record includes an arrest last year for carrying a knife in the same Chicago subway. However, the Cook County State’s Attorney declined to prosecute that crime, as well as a host of others.

 

In the Anti-Gun Paradise of Chicago, the citizens are largely disarmed and powerless, while criminals are free to roam amongst them, unrestrained by the same government.

 

We are on our own – there is no one else for us.

Paul – Gary correct me if I am wrong, but even if she had a concealed carry permit and a gun she wouldn’t have been able to carry on the train right?

 

Rob- She is another victim of Illinois’ anti gun politicians and the voters who put them in office.  Damn them.  Here is video of the news story.

 

Paul – I am disgusted by the people who took video and did not help

John – It is a failure of prosecutors who fail to put away violent criminal actors. Anita Alvarez should be ashamed of herself.

 

You think the governor did this for your safety?  Missouri Governor Vetoes Constitutional Carry

Missouri’s outgoing Governor has vetoed the state’s Constitutional Carry bill. Widely perceived as “Obama in a Pillsbury Doughboy suit,” Jay Nixon denied permitless carry to the state’s citizens, as well as a enhancements to the Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine laws. Bill SB 656 would have also given members of the military extra time to renew their carry permits. Nixon’s leftist lean was reinforced by the Bloomberg shills of Everytown with Demanding Mommies who funded the disingenuous advertising campaign.  

 

It’s likely the Missouri Legislature will vote to override the veto in September. However, the bill was passed in the Senate with a just a single vote greater than needed for an override. Happily, the margin in the House was much larger. It is a certainty that Bloomberg money will again flow into the state to buy Senate votes and advertising. That being said, the Ferguson-stained Governor is in his last year and is not popular with the Legislature nor the voting public. The Constitutional Carry bill continues to enjoy significant support in the populace.

 

Paul –

John – Outside of parts of St. Louis and KC, the state is pro-gun.

Tennessee says gun free zones will now cost the property owner.  If a gun owner in Tennessee has a permit to carry, disarms himself to enter a gun free zone, and is injured by an attacker, then the gun owner can sue the person or entity who stripped them of their right to self defense.

 

Here are the requirements-  You can demand restitution if-

You were authorized to carry a gun at the time of the incident

You were prohibited from carrying a firearm due to the posting of a gun-free sign

And, the property was not required to be posted by state or federal law and the property owner posted the no-gun sign by choice.

 

Would our Tennessee listeners see if there is still a sign outside the Waffle House restaurants that says to leave your guns outside?

 

Paul – GREAT job Tennessee,

John – I see a new opportunity for plaintiff’s/personal injury lawyers here!

 

There is more to say about gun free zones.  The mass murder at a gay nightclub by a muslim was a tragedy.  President Obama said it would have been even worse if the people inside the nightclub were armed for their own defense.  When asked, Hillary Clinton rejected armed self-defense and continued her call to disarm civilians.  In contrast, Donald Trump called for the end of gun free zones.  The American people agree with Trump.

 

-45 percent of registered Democrats think that more concealed carriers would help stop terrorism.  

When asking all americans, we agree by a two to one ratio.

-Law enforcement is a stronger advocate for an armed defense.  Eighty-six percent of full time law enforcement officers who responded to a police-one survey said allowing legally armed citizens to carry guns would reduce casualties when murderers attack gun-free zones.

-The MSNBC network ran a poll asking if people should be allowed to carry guns in public.  The ratio was 22 to 1 in favor of civilians being armed.

 

Police and civilians know the truth.. And Socialist Politicians continue to deny it.

 

John – I want to recommend listeners check out the most recent episode of Mad Dogs and Englishmen podcast. They point out how the US and foreign media covered the attack. US = Mass shooting; BBC = terrorist attack.

 

Paul – I want to mention that the MSNBC poll was not scientific. But does point out how much more passionate we are than the other side

Greg Ellifritz – RSS https://feeds.feedburner.com/ActiveResponseTraining

http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/

 

But wait, there is more about gun free zones- A California School Board now welcomes concealed carriers onto their campuses.  The board of the Kern County High School District was unanimous.  Any concealed carry holder can ask the school superintendent to carry on campus.  Once they receive that permission, concealed carry holders can carry on any  high school campuses, any district property and at any school-sponsored events.  One of the school board trustees said, “..I think the superintendent is pretty clear.  He would need a good reason to deny somebody.”

Unfortunately, the school board policy does not include school employees.  The vote on arming school employees comes next month.

Rob-

 

Gunpocalypse

 

In late breaking news, yesterday California Gov. Jerry Brown signed six out of 11 anti-gun bills hastily passed by the California Assembly. While he vetoed “ghost guns” and stolen firearm notification, he signed bills that create a registry of ammo owners, ban loaning of guns between family members and friends, ban the bullet button, adds non-violent misdemeanors as a prohibiting factor for gun purchases, and, last but not least, bans possession of all magazines with more than a 10-round capacity.

 

Our friends at the Firearms Policy Coalition have much more on this debacle.

 

Rob- They outlawed semi-auto rifles that have removable magazines.  There is already a work around.  You replace the mag release with a new part that makes your AR-15 california legal again.  The link is in our show notes.

Gary –

Rob- I propose a U-Haul Reload.

 

Gun Quotes- Democrats are unlikely to talk Republicans out of gun ownership because it comes off as ‘Put down your gun so I can shoot you.’  Scott Adams (Dilbert)

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back to talk about trained teachers saving lives in schools.

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Rob about FASTER Program-

 

This is a range report, but it isn’t about a new gun.

I spent several days with a group of Ohio teachers who want to protect their students.  These teachers learned to stop an armed attack in their schools.  The training program is called Faculty/Administrator Safety Training and Emergency Response (FASTER).  The Buckeye Firearms Foundation in Ohio sponsors FASTER and pays for the advanced training.

 

The school teachers learned to treat the injured.  Rather than shelter in place and wait for the police and EMTs to save them, these teachers became the good guy with a gun and bandages.  The training program is a success.  Today, the volunteer organization that trains teachers doesn’t have enough money to train everyone who wants instruction.  These men and women do it for love and they need our help to do more.

 

Most of us would risk our lives to protect our own family. These teachers go the extra mile: they risk their lives for someone else’s children.  They train now, on their own time, so they are ready to be an anonymous protector when they are needed.  The training course I took was full of exactly the people we want to defend our children.  They were school board members, police officers and janitors.  I saw school administrators, teachers and staff from both public and private schools.  Now they are the first responders when a murderous mad man tries to hurt our children.

 

I had a beer with a school principal who said this, “I’m a teacher.  Parents trust me with their children’s lives.  I can’t hide behind a locked door and let these kids die.”  I believe him.

 

It costs the teachers time and money.  Before they are accepted into the program, the teachers and staff usually get their concealed carry permits on their own.  The teachers also buy their own firearms and holsters.  The FASTER training from Buckeye Firearms Foundation is usually a prerequisite to carry a loaded firearm on campus.

 

The teachers and volunteers from Buckeye Firearms do it for love.  Only love could make them shake with emotion during a mock exercise in a high school.  Their hands go where their heart leads.

 

We walked into a school where we were going to conduct force on force training.  I was standing next to a teacher who whispered,

 

“This looks just like my school.  Is this the day I have to use bare hands and improvised weapons to stop an armed murderer in my school?”

 

Here are some facts you need to know.  We need these armed teachers everywhere.  24 percent of active shooter incidents are in schools.  Teachers and staff are already fighting back.  60 percent of the active shooters die or are killed before police arrive.  For bad reasons, we deny the adults at our schools the right to protect the children entrusted to their care.   We attract murderers to our schools by disarming the good guys.

Fires don’t belong on campus, but we have fire extinguishers and fire drills.  Cuts and bruises don’t belong on campus, but we keep first aid supplies at hand.  Trained responders belong on campus so our children and teachers are protected and rescued when murderers attack them.  It really is that simple.

 

“Would you rather the murderer shoot students or engage a defender?”

 

Emergency Medical Technicians taught the class about emergency trauma care.  Adults can bleed-out from a treatable injury in seconds.  We have a minute to restore breathing.  Children have less.  Seconds count, and the reality is that police and EMTs are many minutes away.  Give the killer more time and he will kill more people.  Trained responders can stop the killing and save the injured.  The sooner the attacker is stopped the more people are saved.  Time is everything.

“Paramedics didn’t treat the injured at the Sandy Hook Elementary School for 45 minutes.  It took them over three hours to deliver aid after the Orlando nightclub murders.”

 

About 600 teachers and staff have already taken this training.  All but two Ohio counties have sent school staff for FASTER training.  We already have thousands of man-years of real world experience with armed staff so we know the program is safe and effective.  The program is a model for other states.  Then the program ran into a new problem.

“FASTER isn’t about guns in schools.  FASTER is about saving lives.”

 

The Buckeye Firearms Foundation pays for the training classes.  They pay for the ammunition in the basic classes.  They pay for lodging away from home. They pay for the trauma kits that teachers take back to school.  Today, the donations aren’t coming in fast enough to meet the demand for training.  Isn’t that a good problem to have?

 

Buckeye Firearms Foundation is a non-profit organization.  For obvious reasons, the Buckeye Firearms Foundation is reluctant to take government funds.  Their teacher training program needs help from each of us today.

 

These teachers will save lives and we all want to do that.  Here is our chance.  Make a donation.  Here are the links where you can learn about the FASTER program and donate.  After you donate, ask your company and your civic clubs to become regular donors too.

“If not me, then who?  If not now, then when?”

 

These school teachers are willing to pay with their lives to protect our children.  You can afford a few bucks a month to train them.

 

4- Interview 2

 

Paul – Rant about TSA

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/horror-tsa-beats-disabled-girl-bloody-memphis-airport/#st_refDomain=www.facebook.com&st_refQuery=/

 

Rob- TSA is security theater.  Screening fails 95 percent of the time to find firearms and explosives deliberately placed in luggage.

 

The rules don’t make sense.  As a legal gun owner, I can’t carry a loaded magazine in your checked and declared gun case.  Paul does the gun dance as he goes into different states.  When you fly, you have to do the ammo dance as you load and unload your self-defense ammunition.  Bring your own ammo case that secures each cartridge.  I have to find out if I can wear my magazine carrier and holster through the TSA check point.

 

John – Where do you attack? Chokepoints! Shunning.

 

5- DGUs

 

Another Nightclub Shooting – With a Difference

There was yet another attempted mass murder at a nightclub. However, this time there was no pile of bodies. The difference? One of the intended victims had a gun.

Jody Ray Thompson got into a tiff with another man outside South Carolina’s Playoffz nightclub. His response was to pull a gun and fire multiple rounds at the crowd in front of the nightclub. Three victims fell from the impact of the bullets. A fourth drew his legally concealed carry weapon and returned fire, hitting Thompson in the leg; taking him down and out of the fight.  

It took arriving deputies a significant amount of time to determine who the actual attacker was. Witnesses and video recording finally implicated Thompson and exonerated the CCW carrier.  The licensed carrier will not be charged and Thompson will face four counts of attempted murder, possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime, and unlawful carrying of a weapon. Happily, the three wounded will recover from their injuries.  

Of significant interest is the establishment media’s reaction to the near tragedy. Initial reports breathlessly announced another nightclub shooting and eagerly tallied the number of victims. Then, as the inconvenient truth became apparent, the story was rapidly dropped down the memory hole. A legal CCW holder stopping an assault just doesn’t fit their narrative.

We, however, are happy to bring you this important news, even if the elites would rather not have you hear it.  

John – From T-Rex Arms on responding to a mass shooting/terrorist attack:  https://www.facebook.com/trexarmskydex/videos/1788035428099801/

 

Rob-  Murderers are vulnerable.

Paul – tunnel vision can work for you too

 

Father Shoots Daughter’s Ex in the Leg

A daughter will always be daddy’s little girl. An elderly Albuquerque, New Mexico father showed the truth in that statement when he stood between his adult child and an armed and violent ex-boyfriend.  

Lee Brandenburg, 40, had a long record of threatening his ex-girlfriend. The threats so unnerved the woman that she moved in with her father. That didn’t matter to Brandenburg, who busted through the home’s front window. It should have, as the home’s 76-year-old resident was armed – and he shot the intruder several times in the leg .  

 

Police finally arrived to take the wounded Brandenburg to the hospital. After his release, Brandenburg will be charged with aggravated battery and — possibly —  for violating the restraining order. The father will not be charged.

Parenting: You’re doing it right.

 

Rob-  Was that intentional that he shot in the legs?

 

Elderly Woman Shoots a Juvenile Intruder on the Porch
A 76-year-old woman was forced to shoot when three juveniles attempted to break into her home. Dayton Police Lt. Mark Ponichtera told of arriving to find a male “who had been shot in the porch.” (Getting shot in one’s porch is no fun.)  The police responded to the scene after a 911 call where the elderly victim said; “A man is breaking into my house. They broke out my window and lit up my screen. I shot a shot and I don’t know whether I hit one or not.”

She had indeed connected with a criminal. The suspect was rushed to a hospital with grave, life-threatening injuries. The other two suspects fled, but were tracked by a K-9 to a nearby home and arrested. Police say they have recovered some important evidence.

 

Under Ohio’s Castle Doctrine law, if someone unlawfully enters or attempts to enter an occupied home, the citizens are presumed to have acted in self defense, and will not be second-guessed by the State. Fortunate, as It was the elderly woman acting in self-defense, with a gun, that allowed the her to save herself when far overmatched by three young hoodlums.  

 

Rob- You must know your target before you shoot.  And down here in the south, we keep our porches covered.

 

Paul – I want to reiterate what Rob said, also you could go to prison if your round goes into the wrong target.

 

Woman Finds Monster Under Her Bed – And Shoots It

The monster-under-the-bed is a childish fantasy. A Nashville woman learned a restraining order can be a dangerous fantasy when she found a real life monster under her bed.  


The woman discovered the unwelcome guest when she returned from telling her neighbor to beware of her ex-boyfriend. He was dangerous and had already caused the police to be called to the home. At that moment, the ex was taking advantage of the installation of an alarm system to sneak in the open house and hide under the bed. A restraining order and three prior violations had done nothing to restrain him.

In the woman’s words, when she saw her ex-boyfriend under her bed, she knew it was either her or him. Fortunately, she could supplement the useless restraining order, and…. she shot him. The ex sustained non-life threatening wounds and will be charged with the prior violations of the restraining order as well as additional offenses. Police indicated that the empowered victim shot in self-defense and should not face charges.  

Gee, sometimes a horror fantasy has a happy ending.  

 

Rob- Charlie Foxtrot does our writing.  Well done for putting this monster under the bed story together.

Shoot-out, Aisle Three!
You can get anything you want at Wal-Mart. Apparently that includes money, drugs and a gunfight. And if you’re lucky, you’ll also get a pair of brave concealed carriers.  

 

A quiet Sunday afternoon’s drug deal in the Augusta, Maine Wal-Mart’s parking lot went seriously sideways, resulting in an exchange of gunfire between the two cars parked side by side. One man got out to take the fight to the other car.  However, that fight was stopped by two armed shoppers who had been watching the fracas develop.  

Police arrived minutes later to take official control of the situation. All participants refused medical assistance, even though bloody trails could be seen amongst the scattered shell casings. The four have been charged with a variety of offenses, including heroin trafficking, reckless conduct with a firearm, aggravated assault, providing heroin, and (hey, who could have guessed:) parole violations. Two additional suspects are said to have fled into the woods and are being sought. The two good Samaritans have not been charged, although the investigation is continuing.  

 

“I’m proud of my husband for what he did, for stepping in and getting involved and making sure people were safe,” said Carrie Chavvane. Licensed concealed carrier Daniel Chavanne was leaving the store with his wife and kids, and took matters into his own hands. Another armed shopper came to Chavanne’s aid.

Police complimented the bravery of the two civilians. “In this case, it turned out fine and they did prevent anything further from happening,” said Lt. Massey. However, the police do not encourage armed interventions. “We don’t know as we get there who’s who.”  Something to think about when responding to a developing situation which could require lethal force. Sometimes discretion IS the better part of valor.

 

We sincerely applaud the courage of the two men.

 

Gary –

Paul – If I am not certain of who is the good guy is I am not certain that I am going to open fire. I very well may try to stop the situation

Gary- Recognize the good guys.

Rob- Mall shooting at Trolley Square, Utah.  The two defenders recognized themselves.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Hello,
I hope you are all well. I’ve been getting serious about using my Glock 19 for self defense, instead of just square range plinking, so I’m kinda starting over with the basics and trying to learn the right way to do things. I’ve never had formal training (I did take the NRA basic pistol class with my wife, and the LTC class, but neither taught me how to shoot), so I signed up for a two day class in August on defensive handgun use and trauma care, to jump start things. I’ve been practicing each week at the range on sight alignment and trigger pull, but this is where I have a nagging question. Are you suppose to shoot with one eye open or two? I realized that I have only been using one, but doing a little research on the web and asking the Police Officer that runs the range I go to, leads me to believe I should be shooting with both eyes open.  I could really use some constructive input.  I recently tried shooting with both open, and well, I didn’t do too well.  But, I am willing to retrain myself if I can figure out the proper way to do it.

Another question, maybe for another episode, has to do with over 50 shooting with regards to using the sights when you can no longer bring the front sight into sharp focus, any tips? I’m over 50, so mentally focusing on the front site is possible, but it is just a blur. I did put oversized speed sights on my G19, which help me with sight alignment (large blurry diamonds rather than blurry stock sights), but this has all been a challenge.

Thank you very much. The podcast is great; I really value the diverse backgrounds of everyone on the show, it adds a lot to each topic you discuss.

Regards,

Brian K
Joshua, TX

 

Rob- Thank you for getting training and getting your concealed carry license.  I use two eyes open at close range.  I am very right eye dominant.  One eye at distance, and I don’t know when or how I transition.  You can shoot accurately by having a focus on the target and with the sights out of focus.  I’m going to consider a red-dot reflex sight for us old people.

 

Paul – It depends on how dominant your eyes are.

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http://www.tacticalrx.com

 

John – Here is the company I used http://www.decot.com/ for shooting glasses.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote an article about armed teachers in schools.  I also wrote about the armed civilians who stopped mass murder in May.  Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I have a number of posts up regarding the goings on in Washington and Sacramento and gun control post-Orlando. I would like to point out a post called Be Prepared that discusses gun free zones and your options if you have to be in one. I’m not saying to break the law but you should know the laws in your state and any states in which you are traveling. I also pointed out that no guns doesn’t have to mean no weapons.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Recipe choices – Asparagus Macaroni Loaf, Head cheese, Jellied Chicken, Vienna Sausage Shortcake, Pickle Stretcher Salad, or Klingon Gagh (Gawk)

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Sue: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 380 – Orlando

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Robyn Street

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Cheryl Todd

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

 

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday June 24th,2016  I’m Paul Lathrop

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and on tonight’s show we will talk about the Orlando massacre and some of the fallout.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a TON of listener feedback! .. so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

Paul : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 380 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Matthew Martian: Sabots in 30-06 to reach MACH 4 LFDResearch.com

Heinrich Thies: Building a vacuum forming table to make ballistics gel molds, and working my second job designing rifles for JARD inc.

 

Gary

https://www.facebook.com/ISRATownHallNW/

 

Paul/Susan

 

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2- News 1

 

Orlando Massacre: Radical Islam is at War With Us. And So is Our Government.   

     It’s been two months, and it’s happened again: a Muslim with links to the Middle East, radical Islam and terror organizations has killed on American soil. Forty-nine innocents have died, with a like number injured. The Administration, Progressive politicians and the media immediately leapt to the attack – not against this growing threat of domestic Islamic terrorism, but against their old blood enemy: the Nation’s lawful gun owners.

 

  Politicians and activists piled before the cameras, demanding their usual “common sense” nostrums with practiced ease. They scrupulously avoid more than a passing reference to the fanaticism at the attack’s core. Our Feckless Leader whined about being criticized for never using the words Radical Islam – while still never actually using the words Radical Islam. However, he’s very definitive about the unconstitutional secret gun ban list and reviving the ineffectual Clinton assault rifle law. Hillary danced through the blood to slam her opponent for supposedly <quote> “engaging in inflammatory, anti-Muslim rhetoric that made the country less safe.” <unquote> She also waved the bloody shirt at gun owners and the NRA.

 

  The media has gleefully hyped the firearm involved in the tragedy, incessantly scoring the Orlando attack as the largest gun massacre. They’re following the administration’s line to focus on the gun and not the terrorist. They’re refusing to provide the context of the Paris, Brussels, London and Russian terrorist attacks. They’re even ignoring the largest night club massacre, where an immigrant used just a single gallon of gasoline to sacrifice 87 victims. It just doesn’t fit their narrative. Orlando wasn’t even near the toll of the largest American mass killing.

 

   The Left’s long running hoplophobia is in full flame: They’re trying to make sweeping changes based on a tragic incident that is thankfully extremely rare.  Nonsensical “common sense” solutions, are flying around at the speed of opinions. The left is intent on destroying the Enumerated Rights of hundreds of millions of Americans in the demonstrated ridiculous hope of keeping arms from jihadists who are supported by terrorist organizations able to span the globe. After all, the terrorist in Paris and Brussels had no trouble getting fully automatic weapons and explosives.

 

It’s going to get worse – much worse. The Administration, Progressive and media attacks will escalate. As will the terrorist attacks. Weapons will be most needed exactly when they are being threatened by the left. Fight the threat that the administration is importing, assisting and enabling. Fight the threat that political correctness will not challenge. Fight the madness that the Progressives will allow to destroy us. Ensure that our political leaders still retain enough backbone to fight for the Constitution and the citizens. Call your Senators and Representatives. Join the NRA. Fight for our future. Fight.  Now – because there will be no then.  

 

By the way: the largest American mass murder we mentioned before? That was in South Dakota, at Wounded Knee; where 150 Native American men, women and children were killed by the US Government. The attack came as the Indians were being disarmed.  Something we should all think about.   

 

Paul : 202-224-3121 The congressional switchboard Congress is back in session July 5th. Democrats have been losing their minds screaming and crying and the media is pulling out all the stops to cover the banality. PLEASE call and keep calling your senators and congress critters. Tell them that if they vote for anything that will limit any of their rights that the next time they are up for election you will work for their opponent NO MATTER THE PARTY. Make it clear that if they don’t stand for your freedom you will stand against them when it comes election time.

 

Charlie Rangel – We deserve guns – You don’t

 

One of the loudest voices to restrict sales of guns using a super secret list that you cannot get off of is Charlie Rangel. This week in an interview with Fox News Rep. Rangel stated that while common people of his district did not need guns, he certainly needs them to protect him. This is one of the clearest pictures of hypocrisy that we have seen.

 

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3- Interview 1 Robyn Street

 

4- Interview 2 Cheryl Todd

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5- DGUs

 

After the tragedy in Orlando, self defense stories have been extremely hard to come by.  

 

A Gun Saves Lives in a New York City Bar

It was a very late night in a downtown Queens bar. Three patrons were settling down to some serious drinking in the 4 o’dark hour. Then Andrew McClean, 24, and his pistol, walked into the Parkside Pub.

McClean started his crime by robbing the bar’s till; then he turned on the patrons. One of the customers was a disabled 69-year-old man, who probably looked everything like a pushover. However, that man was a retired ex-cop with 7 years of New York’s mean streets under his belt. And that apparent easy mark concealed a firearm – a rarity in the Gun-Free Zone of New York.    

As the thug approached waving his gun and threatening to kill, the targeted ex-cop pulled out his .38 revolver and shot once. McClean fell, hit in the head. The seven-time loser, with an arrest record for heroin, died on the barroom floor. The ex-cop was not charged with any crime. It seems a retired NYPD cop can carry a concealed weapon, unlike the vast majority of New York’s disarmed citizens.  

That gun made every bit of difference in that New York City bar, as a gun in the Orlando nightclub could have. Gun Free Zones are a mass murderer’s playground.   

Matt

Paul

Brought a Knife to the Gunfight

A-37-year-old man wouldn’t take “Get the Hell Out” for an answer when he confronted a homeowner in his living room.

 

The 60-year-old homeowner spent some time in his San Bernardino, California backyard early Saturday morning. When he returned inside, he found Timothy Mackay, a scruffy local transient, standing in his living room. The owner demanded that the man leave several times. Instead, the intruder advanced on him while waving a large hunting knife. Faced with being spitted on the knife, the homeowner got his gun and fired. Hit in the abdomen, Mackay collapsed on the floor, where he was found by police still clutching the large knife.    

 

Mackay, who is well known to local police, will face “appropriate” (unquote) charges after he is released from the hospital. No other information was provided about the homeowner. At this time, the victim has not been charged.  

 

Thug Tries to Rob a Harmacy

A Waynesboro, Pennsylvania pharmacy was the scene of a dangerous assault when an armed masked man demanded drugs and money. From the very start, he was violent, aggressive and very threatening to the businesses’ employees. A witness outside the building saw him leveling his gun at several people inside. It worsened as the robber became increasingly angry over the limited amount of money in the till. The workers cowered as the thug repeatedly cursed and pointed his gun at them. Then, the criminal collapsed to the floor.

A pharmacy employee, fearing for his coworker’s lives, had pulled his concealed revolver and opened fire. The employee connected with several of his four shots; his opponent was not as skilled. The still unidentified criminal was admitted to a Waynesboro hospital and then life-flighted to York Hospital, where he remains in critical condition.   

 

The concealed carrier was uninjured in the gun battle. His coworkers all escaped injury. The police must determine if the shooting is allowable under Pennsylvania’s self-defense law. As of yet, no charges — on either side of the gun battle — have been brought.

 

Paul

 

Only in Floriduh

Finally, it can get pretty weird down there in Miggy-landia, otherwise known as Central Florida. All that strangeness just means that you have to be more prepared, not less. A Florida woman was tested and survived — with literally no room to spare.  

 

A 54-year-old Ocala, Florida woman suddenly found herself facing a 27-year-old man pounding on her door, demanding to be let in. Denied, he kicked in the door and chased the woman upstairs. She locked herself in her bedroom, and then retreated again to the bedroom closet as the invader breached the bedroom door. There, the man paused to removed his shorts, which he had previously defecated in. With nowhere left to go, the terrified woman crouched behind the thin closet door. As the criminal battered his way through, she grasped at her last straw…. and shot the bastard in the gut.  

Alerted by 911, police found a naked Victor Alex Etherington hiding behind the bedroom door, punctuated by the .22 pistol shot. He was secured in intensive care after surgery, and will likely survive. As you might expect, Etherington was pretty well intoxicated. Police think the invader could have lived in the home when he was 15, but he and the current owner did not know each other. Police have not been able to determine why Etherington broke into the home or attempted the assault. Charges are pending.


POGO could have certainly helped in this near tragedy, as would a larger caliber gun. While a 22 certainly beats harsh words, it lack the physical stopping power of the traditional 9mm, 40 and 45 self-defense loads. Still, we’ll bet she is very happy that she had the 22 pistol when it was all that was between her and a a naked madman.  

 

Paul

Matt

Heinrich

 

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Hi Folks,
Marty from NYC here. I’ve written in before. I used to be an anti gun liberal and now I’m a pro gun activist (still liberal). I try to get people I know to slightly shift their way of thinking if not flip them a full 180 degrees.

I know many of the rebuttals to the silliness espoused by anti gunners but this one has me stumped.
How can we prevent guns from getting into the hands of people with mental issues?  I have not heard one logical, beginning to end, well thought out answer that covers all of the facets of the problem including who can tell authorities that someone is emotionally disturbed (an abused spouse or an abusive spouse for instance), adult children or parents, doctors (and what questions can doctors ask children or any patient? What prevents an anti-gun doc from blowing something (like a parental argument that in a child’s eyes might be construed as WWIII or someone saying they were despondent over a death or loss of a job), into a reason for gun confiscation?  How about if an adult seeks help for some life issues and a doc sees this as being unbalanced and reports to LE?  What about people on meds who could stop taking them?  What about mentally disturbed people living in a home where other adults keep guns?

I’ve had all these questions and more asked of me and I hope you can tear this apart with some good answers. Weerd mentioned some measures that the antis keep shooting down, (no pun intended), but give us some examples.  Let’s put a big chunk of politics back into the podcast.

Keep up the good work. Great interview Mas and Gail.

Also a comment on the DGU where 15 shots were expended with only one of three gunmen being hit. Without any more details it’s hard to blame the shooter’s lack of training. We weren’t there and although it sounds like a terrible hit ratio, no info about:
how many times that single gunman was hit?
were the shots made from cover?
were people running towards, away or laterally (gunmen or good guy)?
Was he waiting for a safe background before unleashing a volley of hail mary shots?
Also not clear from the story if these thugs were fleeing the scene which brings up other questions.

Marty

Paul


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Hey, Paul. If you could leave my name out if you read this on air, I’d appreciate that. You guys were talking about warning shots in a recent episode. I wanted to share a story of my wife’s relative. I don’t know the exact details, but the gist is:
He was disabled in a wheelchair, and home alone. A man tried to break in, so he yelled that he had a gun and fired a shot through the window. The round ended up hitting and killing a neighbor. He was sentenced to prison for the death. It was a somewhat distant family member, so I’m not sure of the sentence, but from what I gather he either spent a long time in prison, or died there. The family insists that he was wrongly prosecuted, because he was in a wheelchair, and it was “just an accident”, but it’s hard for me to not blatantly disagree with the family when it comes up. I do like your idea of shooting between your feet, or in his case maybe next to the wheelchair, if it’s absolutely necessary, but I’m generally in the camp of “if deadly force isn’t justified, neither is firing the gun, and if it is justified, then aim for the threat.

 

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I don’t often post or speak about out and out political thoughts. Those who know me know my politics run center-right on most matters, and they also know I am a staunch supporter of the 2nd amendment. I will say right now, more “gun control” will do nothing to stop the type of attack that occurred in Orlando. If someone is determined enough to do damage, they will, regardless of their access or availability to get a weapon. Ban “assault weapons” you say? If we were to go back to what was available during the so called Clinton era ban, this guy would have still been able to do the damage he did. If guns were magically whisked away and melted down, this guy still would have been able to employ any number of things to kill 50 people in the blink of an eye. The Tsarnaev brothers used slow cookers packed with explosives. Are we banning slow cookers? Timothy McVeigh drove a rented truck up to a building and blew it up with a bomb made from fertilizer and killed 168 people. Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik got their guns from a neighbor who was either complicit in their crimes or just a complete dumb ass, regardless, they were able to gain access to the weapons they needed, even in one of the most restrictive gun control states in the nation and they killed 16 people.

 

Evil exists in the hearts of men. It is not something we can legislate away. Unfortunately, our rights as an American can be by our ill-informed members of our elected Government. There is a quote from a former Obama administration official,

 

You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before-Rahm Emanuel

 

I suspect this will be the though for those on the left after the tragic event in Orlando.

Well I have one in return.

 

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

 

Dean

 

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I’m probably too late to make the first show after the shooting, but I had a couple of ruminations I wanted to share.

 

I was absolutely disgusted by the murder of nearly 50 of my people in Orlando, and the wounding of nearly 50 more.  One of the reasons I carry is because my childhood experiences with bullies taught me that nobody but you can secure your own safety, and reading about Matthew Shepard in my youth made me realize just how serious such violence could be as an adult.  As both a member of the LGBT community and a concealed carrier, I am used to looking over my shoulder, but this shooting brought a whole new urgency and immediacy to it.

Almost worse than the shooting itself was my frustration and despair with many members of my community.  I simply could not understand how a community who is so used to worrying about their own safety against attack would not even consider arming themselves.  Instead, I saw an immediate politicization of the attack, using it to continue to pick at wounds, both old and fresh, between the LGBT community and religious conservatives, when by rights they ought to be finding common ground in denouncing this attack.  It was very difficult to see my LGBT community under attack by a toxic and dangerous ideology and have them lash out at the very thing that could keep them safe.

Recently, though, I heard of Operation Blazing Sword, and witnessed the veritable explosion of activity on the Pink Pistols facebook page.  Pink Pistols, the LGBT firearms rights organization, has climbed from around 1,500 members to 6,300 members and counting, and there is such a flurry of activity there that I am having a hard time keeping up with it.  I’m beginning to dust off my old dreams of starting up a local chapter now that there is such renewed interest.

Operation Blazing Sword, for those of you who haven’t heard, is a project that aims to connect LGBT people with people in the area who are willing to provide some firearms familiarization, or even actual training, for free.  Most new gun owners got started by asking a friend who shoots to take them to the range, but many in the LGBT community have literally zero friends who are gun owners.  This project allows them to find that friend.

Lastly, I don’t know if you heard about the #shootback posters in Hollywood.  Someone printed a bunch of stickers and posters with a rainbow flag overlaid with the gadsden snake, with “#shootback” printed on the bottom.

These three things make me think people in the LGBT community are beginning to wake up.  I’ve heard anti-gunners speculate that the political activism machine that is the LGBT community could potentially take on the “gun lobby” and win.  I have no idea if this is true, and I don’t care to find out.  What I ask you is, what could they do working together to restore and safeguard our gun rights?

 

Thanks,

Jake from Iowa.

 

Heinrich

Gary

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Finally Todd wrote in JUST before we started recording today.

 

You mentioned a legal marijuana shop that protected themselves by firing on 2 armed and armored thugs as they were breaking in.

 

While it’s legal in the state, the video is also proof of federal law violation of having guns and illegal drugs together. The Obama administration is only ignoring the federal marijuana laws unless it suits them.

 

I hope, for the store owner, that the feds don’t hear about it or decide not to act.

 

Also, if you’re going to read a recipe on the air …. you need to finish it.

 

I really enjoy the show, keep up the good work.

 

http://www.jardinc.com/

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 379 – Peruta Decision Fallout

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Alan Gottlieb

4- Interview Segment 2: Gene Hoffman

5- Shayna Lopez Rivas

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

 

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, June 10th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Alan Gottlieb from the Second Amendment Foundation about recent court decisions saying there are no rights for civilians to be armed in public.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Gene Hoffman of the CalGuns Foundation about judges and California politics.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have Shayna Rivas with us again.  She talks about Campus Carry and Crazy colleges.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about someone that brought Nunchucks to a Gunfight .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 379 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Went to upstate New York last weekend and didn’t carry.  Carried at home, and at work, and dry practiced.  I have some training opportunities coming up the next two weeks.  I’m not sure if I’ll be with you next week, but I’m sure to miss the week after when I go to Ohio to train with Dr. John Edeen and Paul Carlson at Safety Solutions Academy.

 

John – I finally did something that I’ve been talking about doing for a long time – I bought a suppressor. It is the SilencerCo Omega 7.62 which allows me to use it on everything from my AR-15 through and including my FAL. A suppressor not only cuts down on the noise but it helps tame recoil. I’m sure the ATF is going to be overloaded with Form 4s from trusts as trusts will be required to submit fingerprints and pictures after July 13th. Given that, I probably won’t take possession until Christmas! Now if only the Hearing Protection Act is passed so I can get a $200 tax refund!

Rob- would your sheriff sign?

 

Rachel- shot and taught – music and guns

 

Gary – https://www.facebook.com/SourceFedNews/videos/1199514293432055/?pnref=story

Very interesting video: The history of Trump and politics https://youtu.be/ZJyIztXX3Bs

 

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

Paul- Liberal apologists said that no one wants to take our firearms.  Well this Democrat official said she does.  Democrat National Platform Committee member Bonnie Schaefer says she does not believe anyone should have a gun.  In a video released this week, Committee member Schaefer said gun control efforts have to go beyond keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill people and criminals.  Quote “I really don’t personally think anyone should have a gun.”  Close quote.

Schaefer was appointed to the Democrat Nominating Committee after she donated large sums of money to Democrat candidates.  Money talks, and gun owners can hear it loud and clear. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/08/dnc-platform-member-nobody-gun/

 

John – How do you know a politician isn’t lying? Their lips aren’t moving!

 

John – There are a great number of new gun laws being passed in the California this legislative session.  The political actors read like a post office wanted poster.  Last year it was anti gun California state senator Leland Yee who was convicted on charges of bribery and gun running.  This year, President of the California Senate, Kevin De Leon is the author of at least four anti-rights bills that unfairly burden honest gun owners.  Senator De Leon is also named 47 times in a current FBI probe for official corruption and bribery.  http://patch.com/california/highlandpark-ca/senator-kevin-de-len-named-in-fbi-affidavit-alleging-corruption

 

Comment- Elected officials are exempt from these new gun laws. http://joeforamerica.com/2016/06/california-gun-laws-apply-not-california-royalty/

 

Comment- California seems more like New York all the time.

 

Rob- California legislatures routinely take the money from the firearms transfer fees and concealed carry fees, and then say they don’t have enough people to perform background checks in a reasonable time.  The are dishonest at best.

 

Rob- We continue to seen record gun sales month after month and the trend continued.  This May eclipsed the sales record set for May a year ago.  With almost 2 million background checks each month, this is the 13th month for record firearms sales.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/record-gun-sales-continue-may/

 

John – A thought I don’t want to think about but imagine what the rush would be like if Hillary was elected. It would make the post-Newtown surge look like small potatoes. Not just ARs and magazines but you’d have people fighting over Hi-Points.

 

Rob- If she is elected, the NICS background check server will go down.

Paul – I don’t think that it will take that long. I think it will happen the day after the november election

Gary –

 

Gary – This is a political year, and we hear wild charges leveled against firearms owners.  We’re told that the violence in Socialist controlled cities is the fault of honest gun owners and lax gun laws.  The failed city of Chicago suffered 69 shooting victims while New Orleans had 37 victims spread over 23 armed robberies over the Memorial day weekend.  It is odd that we don’t have these problems in nearby cities who elected conservative politicians.  We have to note that it isn’t NRA members shooting up Chicago and New Orleans. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/06/01/democrat-run-new-orleans-23-armed-robberies-2-murders-memorial-weekend/

 

John – The problem is always someone else’s fault if you’re the mayor of a failed city.

Rob- That was for memorial day weekend

 

Rachel- We have some good news from the State Supreme Court of New Hampshire.  The court unanimously invalidated a regulation preventing non-residents from qualifying for a New Hampshire carry license.  The regulation required that non residents already possess a carry permit in their home state. The regulation unfairly discriminated against residents of anti-rights states which make it impossible to obtain a permit.

 

The court said “ By requiring nonresidents to submit proof of their resident state licenses, the administrative rules effectively import into New Hampshire law requirements different from those set forth (by the state legislature.)”

https://anjrpc.site-ym.com/page/WINinNHNonResCarry

 

Rob- Lots of people travel to New Hampshire and want to carry in that state, yet can’t receive a concealed carry permit from their local judge or sheriff.

 

John – I know a Canadian or two who has applied for a non-res. NH permit. They might even be gun podcasters.

 

Paul- We know lots of anti-gun politicians who have bodyguards.  In a similar vein of hypocrisy, the director a recent anti-gun film broke several federal firearms laws in an effort to show how easy it is to get around firearms law.  While criticizing honest gun owners, the producer of the film “under the gun” sent subordinates to make illegal straw purchases and make illegal purchases across state lines. The producer said the guns , and now also the evidence, were destroyed by Arizona law enforcement.  That isn’t likely since Arizona law enforcement is required to put their surrendered or seized firearms up for auction.  Those guns might now become significant collectors items.. When the feds are done using them as evidence for the prosecution. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436400/katie-couric-gun-documentary-likely-violated-federal-law

 

Rob- I love the smell of irony in the morning, but I doubt the Obama Administration is going to prosecute any anti-rights journalist.  Obama’s department of justice ignored similar violations.

Gary –

John –

Paul – I think that that documentary is just about as much a documentary about guns as “This is Spinal Tap” is about rock music.

 

Gun Quote

Rachel- “Never Forget, even for an instant, that the one and only reason anybody has for taking your gun away is to make you weaker than he is, so he can do something to you that you wouldn’t allow him to do if you were equipped to prevent it. This goes for burglars, muggers, and rapists, and even more so for policemen, bureaucrats, and politicians.”  by L. Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman and Shayna Rivas.

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3- Interview- Alan Gotlieb:

  1. Peruta
    1. 2AA doesn’t apply to civilians
    2. No right to bear arms in public
  2. JPFO
  3. GRPC- record reservations.
  4. Illinois Lawsuit about non-resident permits

 

4- Gene Hoffman-

9th ignored the constitution and our arguments.  They ignored the historical record and used overturned rulings in their arguments.

Rational basis labeled as strict scrutiny.

Open carry, but there is no open carry.  The court dodged the fundamental issue.

 

“..that the protection of the Second Amendment does not extend to the carrying of concealed firearms in public by members of the general public..”

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/436408/peruta-loss-ninth-circuit-second-amendment-advocates

 

4A- Shayna Lopez Rivas–  Welcome back, Shayna.  You are a student at Florida State University- Tallahassee.  Last week you told me about a man who used to work for the college of social work.  This university employee threatened to use shoot his his co-workers.  This employee literally created a “hit list”.  Now this troubled man has been re-hired by FSU in a different college.  At the time the threats were made, the university police said they did not have any actionable charges.

 

FSU refuses to protect us and claims sovereign immunity after we’re victimized on campus…but then goes ahead and re-hires a disturbed man who threatened to kill university faculty and staff members?

 

“You don’t need a gun b/c we’ll protect you.  BUT, we will create a dangerous situation and if it goes bad, we’ll claim NO responsibility for it.”  This, my friends, is why we NEED campus carry.

 

I want this on record. If something happens to me while I’m at work, someone make this University bleed. Don’t settle, money is no matter, it’s the principle behind it all. The school wants to play games with my life, with our lives.  Let’s make sure they go to trial and make sure to expose this administration for what it is.

 

Rob- What does your local sheriff say?

 

5- DGUs

Rachel – Don’t Bring Nunchucks to a Gunfight

“I told him he’s an idiot. I pointed my gun at him. He kept making progress toward me, swinging his nunchucks and that’s when I shot him.” Those are the words of man who defended his wife from an attack by a violent ex-husband.

A couple were relaxing on their Indiana back patio after celebrating their tenth anniversary when a car pulled up. Her ex had blatantly violated a restraining order and a No-Trespassing sign. He got out swinging the deadly nunchucks. “My thoughts were, ‘He’s going to try and beat me up or kill me with these nunchucks, then go take it out on my wife’,” said the husband. However, the man stood firm in defense of his family. “I reached for my gun. He gets out of his car in a rage. You could see it in his eyes.”

 

As the ex ran toward him swinging the nunchucks, the husband opened fire.  The ex was hit six times and is now hospitalized in critical condition.  

The wife described the shooting as “bittersweet.” “I give all my love and appreciation to my husband. He did a phenomenal job and he’d do it again for his family. That’s the kind of man he is.Unfortunately it came to this. No, I do not wish death upon nobody. I don’t want him to pass away. But, he is in the situation he’s in because he put himself there.”

Police say because he was acting in self-defense the husband is not facing criminal charges at this time.

 

Paul –  Another win for POGO. If the man had not been carrying while at home after a celebration, the crazy ex could easily have inflicted severe injuries or worse on the couple.

John –

Gary –

Paul – buying limes in Britain http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2063954/Asda-tell-chef-You-buy-lime–classed-weapon.html

 

Rob- A pharmacy owner in Levittown, Pennsylvania was prepared.  He had a security camera system installed.  More important was that the store owner was alert and aware at 10 in the morning.  The pharmacist was processing paperwork on a quiet Friday when he saw a man wearing a halloween mask get out from the passenger side door of a minivan.  The driver remained in the car with the engine running.  The masked man also carried a shotgun.

 

The thief entered the store and turned toward the pharmacy counter.  The store owner shouted for the thief to stop.  The thief advanced and jumped over the pharmacy counter with his shotgun.  The pharmacist fired several shots and struck the armed robber.  The robber collapsed on the floor.  Police arrested the waiting accomplice.  There were no other customers or staff in the store at that time.

 

The robber had a bundle of zip ties in his pocket.  The robber was prepared.. And so was the store owner.  The store owner had worked previously for a major pharmacy chain in a bad neighborhood.  There he had to be unarmed due to company policy.  He was determined to be armed when he opened his own business.

 

Paul- That video system paid for itself. We had a story a few weeks ago about a dash cam that may have saved the day

Rob- This pharmacy owners had more time than most victims.  Even then, there was no time to get a gun from a safe.  He had seconds to respond with the tools on his body.  He wore a gun and saved his life.

 

Gary- California Marijuana Dispensary Robbers Shot

In a story that could only happen in California – well, also in Colorado, Oregon, etc., etc. – two men attempted to rob a Medical Marijuana Dispensary – and got a chronic dose of lead for their troubles.

 

Two masked men, wearing body armor and carrying what the proudly ignorant LA media described as “assault rifles” <kaff> tried their luck at a legal marijuana dispensary. According to the store owner, “They were there to kill us.” He’d seen them breaking down the store’s door on surveillance cameras. Forewarned, the owner was able to use a handgun to stop the attack, putting both men into the hospital in critical condition. The pair is not known to have fired any shots, and no one else was injured in the attack.

Video shows the owner walking around outside his business, directing the cleanup and the patching of the many windows with gunshot holes. A street littered with an armored vest, bloody clothing and used medical supplies was also shown. The owner, who could be described as a “hard dude”, was not arrested, and has not been charged with a crime, although the investigation is on-going.


Rachel- The video system again made a difference. Awareness is half the battle.

John – These businesses do so much cash business that they are the new targets just like the old targets of pawn shops and liquor stores.

Gary-

Rob- The video kept him out of jail because the police saw that it was clearly self-defense.

John- Death in a Sleepy Little Burg

Two young men unfortunately made the mistake of their lives when they allegedly invaded a home and then threatened the resident. Incidents of this type are a rarity in the sleepy little Springport Township in Jackson County, Michigan. Police say the two 18-year-olds were involved in a Breaking and Entering when some sort of altercation occurred with the resident outside the home. Both men were shot and killed and found lying close by in the yard. The investigation is continuing, awaiting the autopsy reports and results from the Michigan State Police Crime Lab.

 

The two were no strangers to the police. They had accumulated a host of charges in their few years, ranging from marijuana possession to weapons offenses. As could be expected, one of the teens was on probation after receiving a suspended sentence for larceny, the other was out after an arrest last month for the same offense. The two criminals may also be responsible for a rash of property crimes in the neighborhood. At this time, charges are not likely against the homeowner.  

Deadly crime can occur anywhere — even in “safe” locations.
Stay armed, stay vigilant, stay capable.  

Rob- Amen

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I noticed that several anti-rights California politicians were under investigation just as they were passing anti-gun bills.  I wrote an article called “Are All Anti Gun Politicians Corrupt  The answer is that too many of them are corrupt, and they’ve been caught.  I posted several articles this week at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland, and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

Paul

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

Since we’ve already discussed California, I will only point out that gun rights activists are punching back twice as hard against Gavin Newsom’s ammo background check initiative. I did a post like I do every year on D-Day. A child born on D-Day 1944 would now be 72 years old and hopefully retired. If it was a boy, he might have served in Vietnam as a young lieutenant. If it was a girl, she’d might have been my 3rd grade teacher. My father was a veteran of WW2 as were the fathers of many of my classmates. My point is that even though a lifetime has passed since D-Day we should never forget the awesome sacrifice of those 18, 19, and 20 year olds on that cold day in June 1944.

 

John-  That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Alan Gottlieb, Gene Hoffman, and Shayna Lopez-Rivas for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 378 – Things get Weerd

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1- Open and Personal News Segment: 

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Weerd Beard

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, June 3rd , 2016.  I’m Paul Lathrop.

John: I’m John Richardson and we will be talking about Bloomberg and Hillary.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone about Bloomberg trying to buy a Referendum in Nevada.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a concealed carry holder helped stop a mass shooting in Houston. So climb aboard.

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 378 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

John – I did two important things today. I voted in a primary/election and Barb and I signed the paperwork that created our NFA trust this afternoon. It was a “canned” trust which I hope is OK. I wish our old friend John Pierce was licensed to practice law in NC so I could have gone to him. His cost is reasonable and he knows his stuff. It is a shame that we have to go to this trouble to buy a product that enhances our hearing safety, is not abused criminally, and is the same as a muffler for a car or lawn mower. I just hope Congress actually acts on the Hearing Protection Act of 2016 and removes suppressors from the NFA.

 

Rachel- Lots of music work, finishing up the semester by accompanying end-of-the-year studio recitals.

  • Politics: listened to the livestream of my county Republican Party executive committee.  Lessons:
    • Livestreaming is a game-changer. Use it.
    • Robert Morrow was duly elected, without election fraud, like it or not. (Most don’t.)
    • His election could be a positive thing – authority getting redistributed, more people more involved, the county in general paying more attention
  • Guns: taught a friend to shoot. She is the victim of a home invasion a few months ago and has determined to never again be defenseless. Ordered an Accuracy 1st level for my distance rifle. Because an indiscernible 3-degree cant at 1,000 yards throws a .308 175gr SMK off 24.7”.

 

Gary-

 

Paul-

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 

Everytown Endorses Hillary

 

I know our listeners will be shocked (shocked, I say!) to find out that Bloomberg’s minions at Everytown and Moms Demand Action just endorsed Hillary Clinton for president. According to the endorsement, they plan to support her in both the remaining primaries and the general election. The timing of this comes as Bernie Sanders may have taken a lead in the California primary which will be next week. Everytown spokesperson Erika Soto Lamb insisted that their endorsement was the organization and not Mr. Bloomberg’s.

 

Chris W. Cox, chairman of the NRA’s Political Victory Fund, said “gun control groups are endorsing Hillary Clinton because they believe that she will work to eliminate individual gun ownership in this country.”

“The Second Amendment is on the ballot this November. Hillary Clinton does not believe that law-abiding Americans have the right to use a firearm to protect themselves in their homes,” he said.

John – Hillary Clinton makes no bones about the fact that she is our enemy. I don’t love Donald Trump nor particularly like him. However, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I will take Donald Trump at his word that he will protect the Second Amendment.

Rachel- I see what you’re saying, John. And I certainly don’t want Hillary to be president. But I just will not vote for Trump. I don’t trust him, and I don’t want to give any support to the idea that it’s ok for the Republican party to nominate him.

Weer’d: All the antis are hitching their wagon to the Clinton Campaign simply because it’s ALL they have after Martin O’Malley dropped out of the race.

Paul

John I live in a purple state. I just don’t see that I have a choice.

Paul – Gary Johnson

Speaking of Bloomberg

Since we are speaking of Bloomberg, it has come out today that his gun control campaign in Nevada has just purchased every bit of available TV advertising in the Las Vegas market for both the months of September and October. This cuts out everyone who might want to publicize an opposing message.

Bloomberg and his minions, Nevadans for Background Checks, are pushing a referendum that would mandate universal background checks for any transfer of a firearm. It is important to point out that “transfer” in Bloomberg terms is not selling someone a firearm and transferring ownership. Rather, it is the physical transfer of a firearm. That means if you and a friend are at the range and he or she wants to try out your new pistol, legally they would have to go through a background check before you could hand it to them. And then for them to hand it back to you – your own firearm – you would have to go through a background check. The goal of this referendum is not to prevent criminals from getting firearms. The goal is to kill the gun culture so that in time the Second Amendment becomes meaningless.

Gary –

John – I think NSSF should make it known to every casino and hotel owner that the SHOT Show will never, ever be in Las Vegas again if this referendum passes. If any of our listeners will be visiting Vegas between now and November you need to tell every maid, every Blackjack dealer, every Uber or cab driver that you and your money won’t be coming back if it passes.

 

Paul – SHOT Show is the 4th or 5th largest trade show that Vegas has.

 

Rachel- I want us to steal a page from Bloomberg’s book. I want us to think BIG. I want us to go for that crazy long shot that everyone thinks is impossible. I want us to go as far or FARTHER in our direction than they go in their direction. Instead of just trying to put up a defense, take the offense, dream big, and make it happen.

 

Weer’d: These are also the people who always talk about how great the gun laws are in Australia and the UK….both places that got registration that was ONLY used for confiscation.

 

Murder-Suicide at UCLA

 

This Wednesday the UCLA campus went into full lockdown for many hours due to an “active shooter” on campus. The active shooter turns out to be a disgruntled former graduate student from India who killed his mechanical engineering dissertation advisor Prof. William Klug. The killer had accused the professor of stealing some computer code. After shooting the professor, the murderer then took his own life in a murder-suicide. A note left at the scene asked police to check on his cat in Minnesota. This note led police to search his home in Minnesota where they found a “kill list” and the murderer’s dead wife who had been shot two days earlier. Prof. Klug was on the kill list as was another UCLA professor who escaped harm.

 

It goes without saying that UCLA is a gun-free zone. Earlier this year, the California legislature passed a bill that prevented carry permit holders – that rarest of rare things in California – from carrying on campus. California also has very tough gun control laws including a 10-day waiting period. None of that prevented the killer from going on campus and killing his dissertation advisor. Of course that did not stop anti-gun legislators and celebrities from saying more needed to be done.

 

Gun Quotes

“If you teach your kids how to shoot, when to shoot, what to shoot, and where to shoot, freedom will easily be maintained.” – Erin Canales

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Weer’d Beard

 

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5- DGUs

Rachel – Concealed Carrier Battles Potential Mass-Murder In Houston
Insanity came suddenly to a suburban Houston area strip mall one Sunday morning. Without warning, a man started spraying rounds from an AR-15. Shots and screams pierced the morning; glass shattered and fell. A car crashed into a boat trailer, others raced away with blown-out windows and shot-up sheetmetal. A gas pump exploded into searing flames. Victims lay screaming where they fell. In that chaos, several citizens found the strength to challenge the madness; strangers helped the wounded to safety, a Boy Scout was prepared and saved a life while literally under the gun, and a licensed concealed carrier drew his weapon, and advanced on the madman.  

Bryon Wilson, 30, abandoned the safety of his neighborhood clothing store to fight back, running toward the madman while firing his carry weapon. Only, the murderer had a rifle, and Wilson had only a concealable pistol. The man connected with his return fire, and Wilson staggered away, heavily wounded. The murderer then returned to his evil task, finally dying under a hail of police bullets. However, Wilson did successfully distract the madman, taking him out of his carefully rehearsed fantasies, confusing and disorientating him, making him think, slowing him down; all of which granted precious seconds to those in danger. Many likely owe him their lives. As a result of the actions of Wilson, and all the other heroes, only one victim died, instead of the massive body count the madman obviously hoped for.

Wilson’s heroics came at a terrible personal cost; he was struck three times, falling with two broken legs and a shattered shoulder. Although surviving his ordeal, the family man faces years of hospitalization and rehabilitation. He may not be able to walk for two years. A friend wondered about “all the bills piling up, no way to work, no money coming in, medical bills…” The friend is setting up a GoFundMe account to help with this hero’s rehabilitation. We urge our listeners to say thank you to this Brother of the Gun, concealed carrier and sheepdog. And just maybe help him in his hour of need, as he helped all those strangers that Houston morning.

 

Gary – Talk about getting inside his OODA loop, making him think, reevaluate, hesitate? And how desirable it would have been to have another CCW carrier respond – or for one of the business owners to have a pistol, a shotgun, or…. another rifle.  

John – Something to worry about – Wilson was first identified as an accomplice – only later cleared as a Good Samaritan.  In these chaotic situations, Blue on Blue is a very real concern.

John – Would-Be Carjacker Shot in Downtown St. Louis
This one hits a little too close to home for our colleague CF: just outside the St Louis Cardinal’s stadium, two young men were shot in a carjacking. The truck owner received a grazing wound to the leg, the carjacker is in unstable and critical condition.  

This latest instance of downtown violence occurred when the 20-year-old carjacker walked up the street to a man waiting in his truck for his girlfriend to finish work at a popular eatery. The criminal pulled a gun and ordered the driver out of the truck.  The man complied, but drew his own gun as the thief entered the vehicle. Shots were exchanged, and the truck lurched down the street until it slammed into a tree.

The truck owner’s night continued to get worse as the carjacker’s accomplices roared up and shot at the victim. The well-armed victim was able to return fire and hit their vehicle. The same two drove their buddy to the hospital. One was arrested there, the other criminal, described a young woman, eluded the police in a foot pursuit. St Louis Police are continuing to investigate the crime.  

A few things stand out in this situation: The criminals were working as a team, with the confederates in an overwatch position, ready to take out a resisting victim. The crime was especially bold, coming just days after city officials had promised yet again to increase security downtown after a young mother was carjacked, killed, and her young child thrown from the car. That crime occurred about a block away from this carjacking. Finally comes the demonstrated need for a capable weapon; a limited capacity revolver or pistol would have made resistance to the second group less effective, perhaps at the cost of the victim’s life.  

Stay armed, stay aware, stay capable — it is an increasingly violent world.

Rachel- As dangerous as I know it is to sit in a parked car, I am still guilty of doing just that. This story is a reminder to do that as little as possible. And, when I need to sit and wait for someone, I resolve to be vigilant in watching my surroundings.

Paul
John –
Gary – Taking a Long Knife to A Gunfight

Two men took a machete to a home invasion. Unfortunately, (for them), they were also bringing a knife to a gunfight.

 

A Fayetteville, North Carolina homeowner confronted the pair of invaders and their machete. Fortunately, he was also armed, and armed with a better weapon. He shot the machete-wielder in the abdomen – and both criminals ran to escape in a tan vehicle.  

The uninjured homeowner called the police and provided descriptions of the suspects and their vehicle. Armed with that significant clue, the cops found the car in a Clinton hospital parking lot, and arrested both men.  The homeowner’s name and address were withheld for his safety.

 

Paul – Man Shot And Killed Within Neighbor’s House

A Indianapolis, Indiana couple will not face charges for killing their neighbor. The couple were startled awake to find their neighbor James Neal inside their home. There was a struggle for a shotgun, and the man and woman both fired several times at Neal. The home invader died at the scene.  

The deceased invader was said to suffer from seizures and could been disorientated when he entered the couple’s home. However, his actions make the foregoing speculations moot. Per the investigators, the couple shot James to defend their lives, each other, and the child in their home.

 

Rachel – Assault Threats of Death and Rape and Murder

Four violent, armed thugs invaded a woman’s home, demanded money and threatened to kidnap, rape and kill. They punctuated their threats with the gunfire that may have proved their undoing.

When the 39-year-old woman homeowner answered her door in the Georgian afternoon, the thugs burst in, put a gun to her head, and ordered her not to look up. When her teenage daughter entered the room, the mother looked at her, and a thug put a bullet near her head. “You think I’m [expletive] kidding?!” he yelled.

 

“They started making sexual remarks about raping her, it was terrible,” her mother told the news. “He hit her in the head with the gun and put it in her mouth and told her to stop crying or he was going to blow her head off.” At one point, the men threatened to take the teen with them and rape her.

 

As they left, one thug shot at the daughter, missing her face by mere inches. In their  rush to get away, the thugs encountered a neighbor who had heard all the gunshots and armed himself. One of the criminals shot at the neighbor and he shot back. He expended all 15 rounds in his magazine, hitting one gunman. The gang made good their escape, but they had to dump the wounded thief at a local hospital, where he was arrested. The others were arrested at the address associated with car license number provided by witnesses. The heroic neighbor was hit twice. Fortunately his wounds were not life-threatening.

Without the firearm, the gang could have been free to continue to rob, and perhaps indulge in rape and murder. But the brave neighbor  – and his firearm – helped end their spree.  

 

Paul – GET TRAINING

Rachel-

 

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All,

 

There is a statue in Austin, TX that I believe captures the heart of the reason for our 2nd amendment.  Rachel could give more detail, but the statue depicts Angelina Eberly warning the town that her government, led by Sam Houston, was attempting to overstep its bounds.  I saw this statue for the first time last October and fell in love with it.  For something that does not move, there is a lot of action depicted.

 

And as another salute to Texas history, there is the story of the Gonzales cannon (I got the shirt.).  That story is similar to the story of the Battle of Thermopylae.

 

I really enjoyed expanding my knowledge of the history of Texas during my visit.

 

And for Rachel, “Keep Austin weird!”.

 

Carl

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog No Lawyers -only guns and money

 

John- While I posted a few things, there is nothing that I’d consider “major” or that important to talk about. I’d just urge listeners to go to onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com on a regular basis to see what I’ve posted.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Weerd Beard for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rob, Susan, and Rachel,

 

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rachel: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 377 MAG 40 AAR and Interviews

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Craig DeLuz

4- Interview Segment 2: Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin 1

5 – Interview Segment 3 Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin 2

6 – Interview Segment 3 Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin

7- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, May 27, 2016.  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the NRA annual meeting.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Massad Ayoob

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a baptist minister saved a 9 year old girl from a kidnapper.. so climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 376 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob-  I carried most of the week, including the NRA convention.  Met a lot of old and new friends.. I also received a copy of Greg Hopkins’ book, “A Time to Kill”.  We had Greg on our show last episode as he talked about the christian commandments for self-defense. I was on Armed American Radio with Mark Walter.  I was also on Lock and Load Radio when John Edeen and I joined Bill Frady.

 

I made a mistake on my podcast and called one of the defenders an “old man”.  I didn’t think anything of it.  I think of myself as an old man, but one of my listeners e-mailed me and said I should have called him an “elderly man”.

 

I’ve been traveling a lot and I feel old.  Paul, I don’t know how you live away from home.

 

John – Like Rob, I attended the NRA  Annual Meeting. It was like old home day in the press room seeing all the bloggers and podcasters I’ve met over the year. I also got to meet Charlie Foxtrot and his wife Kris.  We spent a few days extra in Kentucky and Barb figured up we visited a total of 9 distilleries.  I think we learned a little something at each of them. Because it is not wise to consume alcohol and carry, I didn’t always carry while in KY.

 

I want to give a shout-out to listener Nathan Carrier who recognized me on the KY Expo Ctr floor. We read an email that Nathan sent seeking ideas on how to get his wife involved in shooting and he wanted to thank us for our help. He and I will probably get together to go shooting in NC.

 

Gary-

 

Paul- MAG 40 was a HUGE success! We are 90+ % sure that there will be another next year.  I would like to thank Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin for their generous time and attention that they gave everyone.

 

NRA annual meeting is in Atlanta, April 27-30, 2017

 

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2- News 1

 

NRA Convention-

There were 80 thousand NRA members inside the Kentucky Exposition Center.  Speakers included Ted Nugent, Rand Paul, and Donald Trump.

 

A conservative estimate puts 10 to 30 thousand armed individuals in one room .. at one time.  As the NRA advertisements say, that is “freedom’s safest place”.  

 

The Socialist news media said the NRA disarmed its members.  The news media did not tell you that the one room where presidential candidates spoke is controlled by the US secret service rather than the NRA.  It was the secret service who banned guns for that one event.  The Secret Service had people check in their umbrellas, knives, and e-cigarettes.

 

Comment- The civil rights organization Knife Rights provided lockers to store your pocket knives.  Thank you, Doug Ritter.

Gary- Rob and John, what did you think of the NRA meet-up?

 

Rob- The NRA annual members meeting is an 11 acre brain bank. I am so impressed by the people in the self-defense community. I met many of the people we’ve had on the polite society podcast.  There were about 40 paid demonstrators from Bloomberg’s front groups.  They were surrounded by Louisville police.

 

Paul- was that to protect us.. Or to protect them?

 

Rob- The demanding mommies were outnumbered 2000 to one.  I think it was to protect them.

 

John- Let me say a few things about the annual meeting. Miggy.  Unlike the SHOT Show which is held in a series of rooms, the NRA is in one big room. To quote Donald Trump, it was HUGE!  Once your feet got tired, and they will, then you could hear world experts talk about international terrorism, domestic politics, historical firearms, or self defense.  You simply could not see and hear everything in three days. You couldn’t even meet and visit with all your friends in three days.  Then there was the Bourbon Trail and the Urban Bourbon Trail and the Craft Bourbon Trail.

 

Rob- Let me comment on what I didn’t see.  A number of nationally known journalists and second amendment supporters were not there.  That is bizarre.  Both The Blaze, The Washington Times, and Ammoland have dedicated reporters who covered firearms issues .. and they were not there.

 

John- However, I did see Charles C. W. Cooke and Jim Geraghty of the National Review, Liz Shield from PJ Media, and even Major Garrett, Chief WH Correspondent for CBS News, in the media room.

 

NRA endorsed Donald Trump

The NRA annual convention isn’t really a political rally.  It is largely about guns and gear.  There is so much more to learn once your feet get tired.  

For instance, President Barack Obama said honest gun owners are violent freaks who put Americans in danger.  Doctor John Lott documented how President Obama lied about gun owners.

 

Rand Paul guns in every school-

 

Senator Rand Paul also spoke at the NRA convention.  He said, “Look, I’ve got children. I can’t imagine one of my kids being killed at school by a deranged killer. But, as a physician, I was trained to solve problems, to get beyond emotions and find answers,” Paul said. “I think one way to try to avoid these senseless killings would be to announce, once and for all time, that no school, no movie-theater, no supermarket in America will be left defenseless.”

 

Senator Rand Paul also corrected President Obama.  Senator Paul said we are clinging to our guns, our religion, AND our ammunition.

 

Senator Paul also said that gun rights are under assault from progressive politicians. Quote, “It’s as if the other side doesn’t even think there is a Second Amendment.”

 

The Second Amendment is vital to the Bill of Rights. “Our defense of the Second Amendment should always remind liberals that the right to bear arms is right next to the right to free speech, to the right to practice your religion and the right to freely associate with your friends and neighbors. We should never let them relegate the second amendment to any second tier or rights,” Paul said.

 

Senator Paul asked the NRA to also defend the First Amendment as well as the second. . “If we diminish one iota the right to free speech, we risk not having the voice to defend the right to bear arms,” Paul said.

 

In an after speech interview, Senator Paul said, “.. African-Americans need self-defense just as much as other people.  I would find it worse if we said to cities that are predominantly African-American: ‘You can’t buy guns.'”

 

During his speech, Candidate Donald Trump said Secretary Hillary Clinton acts as if she is above the law and immune from prosecution.  At the same time, Secretary Clinton thinks our children don’t deserve armed protectors.  If you were at the NRA convention, then you would have heard Colonel David Grossman explain why our children, our schools and our hospitals are in desperate need of armed protection.

 

Hillary said over and over that she wants to eliminate our right to keep and bear arms, but you could also hear the mainstream media lie for Clinton and say she didn’t say what we heard her say.

 

Donald Trump is Mister Let’s Make A Deal.  Trump spoke clearly and simply.  He said the second Amendment is NOT negotiable.

 

Donald Trump spoke at the NRA convention on Friday.  The NRA endorsed him that same day.  With an extremely diverse membership, the NRA wants to unite the United States in their support of Donald Trump.

 

John – There has been a lot of criticism of the NRA’s endorsement of Trump. I posted an article from Politico on my Facebook page and had literally 75 or more comments on it. My take is that the NRA is pragmatic and thought it better to be an early endorser who gets noticed than a late endorser that gets ignored.

Rob- A candidate who hates our right to bear arms vs a candidate for whom we have only mild support?  I’m an ABC voter.  Anyone but Clinton. Laura Carno posted an article that said you don’t get the candidate you want, you get the candidate the majority supported.

John – There is no perfect politician. If I wanted the perfect candidate it would be an amalgam of a number of the candidates like Rand Paul, Cruz, Trump, Carly, etc.

 

Yahoo’s infomercial hosted by Katie Couric and paid for by Bloomberg

Yahoo media’s newswoman, Katie Couric, starred in an anti-gun infomercial.  That isn’t surprising.  What is surprising is that Yahoo News claimed to be objective.  

We’re not surprised when a criminal lies on the witness stand.  We are surprised when the judge lies.  I guess times have changed and we should no longer be surprised when the news media sells us purchased propaganda as fact.

 

Couric’s producer severely edited the response from gun owners to distort their meaning and their reaction to Couric’s questions.  Also, the show recorded a four hour interview with crime expert Dr John Lott.  They didn’t use a minute of the interview because the data did not support their anti-gun bias.  Reporter David Workman tells us why Yahoo News went to such lengths to distort the record.   Workman examined the Bloomberg groups who funded the film.

 

They include Everytown for Gun Safety, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America, Americans for Responsible Solutions, Sandy Hook Promise, the Violence Policy Center, the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, States United Against Gun Violence, Purpose Over Pain, the San Antonio Area Foundation and the Seattle-based Alliance for Gun Responsibility.

 

Comment- The reported documentary was a Bloomberg infomercial.  Yahoo news is now a pay for play news outlet.

 

John – Couric has been widely criticized in the conservative press. More importantly, she was taken to task by the Washington Post and NPR. Once you’ve lost NPR….

John- It goes to show why it is so important to have your own recording of an interview when dealing with the mainstream media.

 

DC must issue permits.  DC AG ignores law.

The Washington, D.C. attorney general, Karl Racine, ordered the DC police to ignore an order from the US district court.  Judge Richard Leon had ordered the city to issue concealed carry permits without relying on the city’s “good reason,” justification, and to immediately update the forms to eliminate that question.

 

The city’s good reason justification is an excuse to reject an honest civilians request to get a permit.  The applicants are then only allowed to be armed inside their homes.  Open carry is outlawed.

As open-carry is completely prohibited, the inability to get a permit to conceal-carry means no one is allowed to bear arms outside his home without the permission of the D.C. government.

For instance, according to the D.C. government, living in a “high-crime area” is not considered a “good enough” reason to want to be able to defend yourself. This is hardly the strict scrutiny applied to the other enumerated rights in the Bill of Rights like the First Amendment.

 

Reporter Devin Watkins tried to register in person, and was rejected.  The Attorney General’s office said he could file a complaint online.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/05/27/d-c-circuit-temporarily-suspends-order-requiring-d-c-to-issue-concealed-carry-permits/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

Comment- contempt of court?

Comment- US Marshal’s service?

 

Gun Quotes

“America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

 

So the political motto should be “make america good again”

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Massad Ayoob and Craig DeLuz(

 

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4-Interview 2 with Craig DeLuz of the Firearms Policy Coalition

 

Action item: Call, email, fax California House and Assembly to Vote NO on the Gunpocalypse bills!

Contact Info and more on the bills:  www.Firearmspolicy.org

Main one to contact: Speaker Anthony Rendon

Message: Vote NO on the Gunpocalypse bills

 

Especially egregious bills: SB1332 and AB156 – sponsored by Assemblyman Kevin McCarty and Senator Kevin de Leon – ammo registration. Requires license to sell ammunition, application to be able to purchase ammo, creates record of ammo purchases, opens the door to tracking

 

Confiscation of standard-capacity magazines – any magazine that holds more than 10 rounds (SB and AB)

 

Several bills banning AR-15s or any semi-auto centerfire rifle that has a detachable magazine

 

All these have passed the Senate. Some could go straight to the governor, others will go to the Assembly.

 

Stop the Gunpocalypse bills now!

 

5- DGUs

 

Man of the Cloth and a Man of the Gun
It was a desperate, terrifying situation, a 9-year-old Tennessee girl was abducted by a madman, the girl’s uncle. Heeding the cries of the desperate family, a Baptist minister joined three others in the wilderness, part of a search that included hundreds more. The four searched for three days, riding their ATVs almost a hundred miles over rough terrain. Losing daylight, they decided to check just one more area in a remote valley… And there they found little Carlie Trent, clutching a teddy bear, miraculously alive! They also found the uncle, and because the Man of the Cloth had teamed with a Man of the Gun, the kidnapper was captured and held for the authorities.  

Carlie Trent was hospitalized as a precaution after her ordeal. Surrounded by celebrating searchers, her four saviors were were rightfully called heroes.  

 

For those saying that one cannot be a Christian and own a gun, they should look very hard at this situation…. Guns, in the hands of good people, do good — if not great — things.  

 

Rob- I’m bothered that some media said this was not a defensive gun use.  Yes, it was.  The firearm made a critical difference, and probably prevented violence.

John – This DGU made the news while we were in KY.

 

To Protect His Son, Texas Man Shoots Robber in Drive-Thru
Would you like lead with that?-

We’ve all heard gun owners make this excuse.  I’ll only carry a gun when I go some place dangerous. Is a few blocks from a police station a dangerous place?   Is a McDonalds drive through a dangerous place?  Is 2pm in the afternoon a dangerous time?  They were this time, and thank goodness this dad had a gun in Houston, Texas.

 

A 37 year old man was sitting in his truck and waiting in the fast food drive-through line.  His 4 year old son was strapped into the car seat behind him.  A stranger walked up and put a gun to the driver’s side window.  We don’t know if the robber wanted cash, or wanted the truck.  We do know that the two men fought while the driver was still inside the vehicle.  The driver presented his legally owned firearm and shot the robber three times.  The gun owner then stayed at the scene and called police. We know the gun owner also contacted his wife, and his attorney.   The gun owner’s wife came to pick up their child.  His lawyer said the criminal had two prior drug arrests.

 

Rob- So a person is walking by your car.  Does his bag hold a happy meal, or a 9mm?

 

Can  you drive away?

 

Paul – Normally a McDonalds is only dangerous to your taste buds… and your cholesterol level

 

John – Or waistline. Many of these drive-thrus are restricted places in terms of movement.

 

Can you draw while you’re sitting on your gun?

 

Sometimes, trouble that isn’t even your’s comes calling….

All these years of DGUs have taught us that you always have to be ready, for trouble can come anywhere and at any moment.

 

Trouble came crashing into the high-rise Houston office of a tax consultant one afternoon. A client at a mental health clinic had what was charitably called ‘a mental episode.’ Police said the man was “Yelling, making demands, kicking on the doors, kicked in the glass door, totally damaged”. Photos show the heavy glass doors shattered and twisted. The mostly female staff of the clinic retreated behind locked door, prompting the man to take his rage next door to the tax consulting office.

 

The patient allegedly lunged at the owner of the business. In fear of his life, the owner fired one shot, killing the violent intruder. The businessman is said to be a licensed concealed carrier. Police continue to review the video from the many security cameras within the building, but for now, there have been no charges filed.    

 

Elderly Man Uses Gun To Defend Wife and Himself, One Attacker Dead

A 71-year-old homeowner and his wife were startled awake by several men kicking in his front door down. Paul Morgan got the gun he keeps near his bed and went to the front door. He warned the  men to stop, but they continued.  In fear for his wife’s and his life, he opened fire through the door.

 

Police finally arrived and found one suspect lying dead on the sidewalk. The deceased was identified as Haciel Plancarte Vasquez, 36. Police said Morgan will not face charges in connection with the incident.

 

Morgan stated that he shot in order to protect himself and his wife: “I didn’t have no choice but to stop him cause I wasn’t going to let him come in here and hurt me. I couldn’t take that chance. You know anytime someone coming in your house at one o’clock at night — got nerve enough to try to break in your house — you know they probably have something going to kill me and her both. I couldn’t take that chance.” <unqoute>

Arm yourself – you can’t take that chance.  

John – Shooting thru the door isn’t encouraged. We don’t know if it was a heavy door or a glass.


Love Triangle – Road Rage – And a Gun
Finally, from blogger Miguel Gonzalez’s South Florida, comes a tale of a love triangle that hit reverse – several times. This incident proves that Miggy isn’t the craziest Florida Man, not by a longshot.   

Claudens R. Germain, 27, chose the 4 AM hour to visit his ex-girlfriend’s Port St. Lucie home uninvited. Pounding on her door, he woke up his ex – and her new boyfriend. After some time, Claudens apparently went away in frustration. The FNG (See what we did there?) left a bit later, driving off into the early morning. However, the unidentified man found himself pursued, cut off and forced to a stop on the street. Sure that he was being robbed, the paramour armed himself with his legally possessed handgun and left his car to confront the other driver. Of course, that driver was our old friend Claudens. The two exchanged words, spit, and a forearm to the head. Ol’ Claud returned the favor by gunning his car in reverse and ramming it into his rival’s vehicle several times. The victim fired his gun into the rear window of Claud’s car.

The shattering glass prompted Germain to jerk forward about 60 feet, but he stopped — and once again slammed the car into reverse, this time aiming for the victim. The victim’s car took most of the hit, but the victim was knocked to the ground and injured. As he fell, he put a single round into the driver’s side door. Ol’ Claud finally got that hollow-pointed message and drove away. However, his victim’s dash-cam had recorded the details of the assault and Germain was arrested at his home several hours later.    

Germain collected an impressive amount of charges in his predawn escapade; he was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon without intent to kill, criminal mischief — property damage, hit and run with injury; and leaving the scene of a crash involving property damage. He remains in jail in lieu of a 27 thousand dollar bond.

The gun and the well placed shot likely convinced the crazed ex-boyfriend to end his attack, possibly saving the life of the new boyfriend. As we’ve noted before, a car is a terribly effective weapon. It took another effective weapon to end the threat.

Guys, any comments about the victim’s tactics – or lack of same?  

 

Paul

Rob- I’m glad the new boyfriend had a dash camera because it looks bad as you shoot into the back of a car.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Listener voice mail –

 

Email from Craig in Houston

 

Greetings from Texas!
Your show is a great source of information.  Thank you for all of the effort!

It seems the current political atmosphere, at the Federal level, is very threatening to our Second Amendment rights.  With Mr. Obama trying to build a legacy with his pen and his phone and Mrs. Clinton having been very clear about her desire for Australian gun control, I fear there could be severe consequences for everyone.  How dire do you believe the situation is?

All the best,
Craig in Houston
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Paul – congress is EVERYTHING!

Rob- Paul, you’re right.  We can replace the US government every two years.  Paul, you’re wrong.  The US supreme court is everything if Hillary can appoint 5 new justices.

John – Unlike Obama, Clinton has much more political skills esp. wJith Congress.

Gary –

John – Gary’s right. Remember Bill Clinton had a Republican congress after 1994.

 

John writes in about a few topics on previous episodes

 

Hi guys,
Wanted to comment regarding a couple of emails that you talked about last episode.

First, on Dean’s experience at his carbine class… As to how he should respond to such an experience, I would suggest that he go onto his favorite online forum and write an honest AAR about his experience. My training buddy and I have been doing the same for a few years now and it provides a good resource for other students to search out and is also valuable as a reference for us to look back on as we pursue new training goals.

I’m not trying to come to the defense of the unnamed instructor, but a couple of observations… Most carbine courses I’ve ever taken, it has been suggested to show up with a zeroed carbine. Now, to be sure, a few minutes of class will be devoted to a discussion of carbine zeroes as well as confirming zeroes with live fire, but how long is an instructor supposed to hold up the rest of the class for two students who may not have shown up prepared? In that instance, perhaps “good enough” was indeed good enough to move on to other coursework. Also, in every class I’ve taken (except for at the Sig Academy), policing of brass at the end of class has been standard and expected. As good ambassadors of the sport and training, it is incumbent on us to leave a range facility better than we found it.

Having said that, it sounds as if Dean really did have a horrible training experience. I wouldn’t train with that instructor… If Dean is looking for some really solid carbine fundamentals, I would suggest Kyle Defoor, Mike Pannone, or Paul Howe.

Second, in response to Jake’s inquiry about carrying while on a bicycle, I would suggest that he look at the Hill People Gear Kit Bag. I bought one when I was looking for a solution to carry while using a backpack with a waist belt, and the kit bag excels in a variety of scenarios. They make a runner’s version which may be more appropriate to his needs. I use mine for everything from backpacking to kayaking. As well, Contact Concealment makes the HPG Holster that is specifically designed to work with the kit bag.

Take care and keep up the good work!
John
John – Good idea to look for AAR and reviews of a class and instructor.

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Aaron wants to talk about POGO (pants on gun on)

 

I’ve been a listener to the podcast for over a year now, since the inimitable Anthony Colandro mentioned it on his podcast. Thanks for your hard work and diligence!

 

I sadly dwell within the People’s Republic of New Jersey. Though my wife and I are looking at property across the border in PA, the only place I can be armed is in my home. I currently have a AR-15 that I built for CQB in a safe under my bed, and around the house I often wear a Smith & Wesson Shield in 9mm with an IWB holster. The reason it’s “often” worn and not “always” is because I have a hard time building the habit of putting it on when I get home from work. I’m very much a morning-routine person, and an evening routine like this is difficulty for me to form when I get home from work and try to distract the kids while my wife is putting dinner on the table.

 

So, first, any tips on how to remedy this?

 

Rob-

John – Wear an empty holster

 

My second issue is that I typically change into sweats or gym shorts around the kids’ bed time. Are there any holster options for this mode of dress? Or do I simply need to man up and wear my regular pants until I hit the hay.

 

Rob-

Aaron

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And Charles wants to talk about Catholicism and the right to keep and bear arms.

 

Polite Society,

Enjoyed the discussion on self defense and being a Christian. One of the things that I as a Catholic have found myself doing time and again is being an apologetic for the faith and having to explain how the Pope can be Fallible and Infallible.

Pope Francis like anyone else is a man that from time to time can find himself walking off the reservation, as he did in Turin at a youth rally making the now infamous “you cannot own guns and be a Christian”. This of course is a bad interpretation of the speech which was in Italian, but I’ll come back to that later.

The only time Pope Francis is infallible is when he is talking on matters of “faith and morals”, this is important to distinguish because when he is making an ex-cathedra statement there is a strict formula to adhere to and an ass load of  Cardinals to ensure it is not contradictory to Cannon Law or dogma.

So when Pope Francis goes native in which in this case as an Argentine Socialist he can be, and has been fallible, or as some would say mistaken. Now Pope Francis is a smart man and he is very aware of the existence of Cathecism 2263 through 2267, and would never make a statement contrary to this cannon from his position of infallibility.

The Catholic Church have had some bad popes that have tarnished the Chair of Peter, some sought power, monetary and sexual gains. We have had A LOT of good and righteous Popes, where Pope Francis falls in this spectrum only God knows.

Catholics have anti-gun Cardindals, Bishops, Priest, and  Parishners and yes they have been running with this like no ones business. Father Flagler of Chicago to name one, and i said in my text we have a name for them, Kennedy Catholics. However there are many more pro-gun pro-second amendment Catholics.

So let me come back to the lost in translation statement that the media and many others took as a Catholic endorsement to gun control. When the Pope made his statement the original language was Italian.

And here is Lori Janeski on the blog “Catholic Geeks” to better explain.

“Se ti fidi solo degli uomini, hai perso! Imprenditori che si dicono cristiani e fabbricano armi: quello dà un po’ di sfiducia!

 

The important word here is the one that has been translated as “weapons” in the English versions of his statement: armi.  This is mostly accurate, but still deceptive, because it means “any weapon of violence,” and it doesn’t come across with the same meaning in English.  When we say “weapons” these days, we mean “guns” most of the time.  “Armi” also where we get the word “army,” of course.  If he meant “pistol,” as the lamestream media seems to interpret his statement, he would have said “pistola” or “fucile,” the latter including rifles.  The more common word he would have used would be “carabina,” which is where we get the word “carbine.”  It’s also why the Italian military/national police are called “Carabineri.”

Oh, by the way, “armi” includes swords.   So he’s condemned sword manufacturers, too.

So, if you look at the whole statement (which no one wants to do when they’re trying to make it sound like he said something he didn’t), you can see that when he says “weapons,” he probably means something very different from “guns.”

Lori Janeski goes on to write:

“Immediately after he says that about weapons, he says:

They say one thing and do another. Hypocrisy … But we see what happened during the last century: in 1914, or rather in 1915 precisely. There was the great tragedy in Armenia. Many people died. I do not know how many, but certainly more than a million. Where were the great powers of the time? They looked away. Why? Because they were interested in war: their war! And those who died, they were second class people, human beings. Then, in the 1930s and 1940s, the tragedy of the Shoah. The great powers had photographed the railway lines that carried the trains to the concentration camps, such as Auschwitz, to kill Jews, and also Christians, Roma, homosexuals, to kill them there. But tell me, why did they not bomb them? Interests! And soon after, almost at the same time, there were the lagers in Russia: Stalin … how many Christians suffered and were killed. The great powers divided Europe like a cake. Many years had to pass before reaching a certain ‘freedom’. There is the hypocrisy of speaking about peace and producing arms, and even selling weapons to this one, who is at war with that one, and to that one who is at war with this!

 

Oh, look at that.  He’s talking about arms dealers and genocide, not privately owned legal firearms.  The “great tragedy in Armenia” was a genocide attempt.  The “Shoah” is the Holocaust.  Stalin slaughtered how many Russians, again?

Francis isn’t talking about you or me owning a legal firearm for sports, hunting, or self-defense.  He’s talking about war and genocide.  Did he say that clearly?  No, but as we have seen before, this is a personal problem of his, where he says things off the cuff that come back to bite him in the butt, and make the media and paranoid Catholics everywhere lose their minds.

Given the combination of his use of the Italian word “armi” and the rest of his statement, I don’t think there’s anything for us legal gun owners to worry about.  The media, once again, has taken it out of its real context and perverted his already unclear meaning.  That’s Francis’ fault for not being clear, but that doesn’t make him the Antichrist.”

Lori Janeski said it better than I ever could. So, Paul and crew, I hope that I have changed some attitudes about the Catholic stance on self defense, yes there are anti-gun Catholics but no where near the level of the Amish.

Best Regards,

Charles from Kansas

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And Carl wants to talk about a Statue in Texas

 

All,

 

There is a statue in Austin, TX that I believe captures the heart of the reason for our 2nd amendment.  Rachel could give more detail, but the statue depicts Angelina Eberly warning the town that her government, led by Sam Houston, was attempting to overstep its bounds.  I saw this statue for the first time last October and fell in love with it.  For something that does not move, there is a lot of action depicted.

 

And as another salute to Texas history, there is the story of the Gonzales cannon (I got the shirt.).  That story is similar to the story of the Battle of Thermopylae.

 

I really enjoyed expanding my knowledge of the history of Texas during my visit.

 

And for Rachel, “Keep Austin weird!”.

 

Carl


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- John and I were part of a huge experiment last weekend.  We found out that guns DO NOT cause crime.  In fact, guns reduce crime.  John, I.. along with 20 thousand other responsibly armed civilians squeezed 160 man- years of concealed carry into three days at this year’s NRA annual meeting.  None of us was violent.  None of the guns on display attacked anyone.  If guns cause an epidemic of gun violence, then NRA members are the vaccine.

 

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland, and at my blog  slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog only guns and money

 

John- The official attendance was 80,452. That was second only to the 2013 Annual Meeting in Houston. Now to the blog. I have two posts up about the NRA’s endorsement of Trump and Trump’s position on the Second Amendment. I listened to Trump’s full speech and it was very strong on the Supreme Court, self-defense, carry laws, and gun-free zones. As to the NRA endorsement of Trump, I think in terms of practical pragmatic politics they didn’t have a choice. On one side you have Heartless Hillary and on the other is a guy who has come around to our position. They aren’t 100% sure what Trump will do but they know full well what Hillary will do. There has been criticism of the NRA’s endorsement but critics need to get over it and work to defeat Hillary.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests)

Massad Ayoob and Craig DeLuz for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Rob- I won’t be with you next weekend.

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 376 – Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Troy Clopton

4- Interview Segment 2: Greg Hopkins

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday May 5th 2016 (Still getting over my May the 4th hangover), I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and on tonight’s show we will talk with Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins about Guns and the Christian faith.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about promoting guns on college campus.. Without being arrested.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s A young man tried to rob a concealed carry holder with a bb gun.  You can guess how that ended..  so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 376 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I created a new website called Everyone for Gun Safety.  Some Washington Lawyers suggested I stop using my old wordpress site Everytown for gun safety.  And I’m reading three gun books.

 

John – Barb and I had a great weekend at the East TN Blogger Shoot. We met up on Friday night for dinner with Dennis giving us a tour of his holster workshop. Then on Saturday we spent all day at the range despite torrential rain later in the day. There was a lot of “here, try this pistol” or “may I try your .357 mag lever action” throughout the day. We had great food, great company, and a great time. Then yesterday I had coffee with Andy Langlois who runs the Scout Rifle Forum and is the maker of the Ching Sling.

 

Gary – Getting ready for MAG40

Paul/Susan Final week before MAG 40. Really getting rushed with preparations.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

There is room for liberty on campus.. Even in Texas.  Nicole Sanders and a fellow activist were recruiting students on the Brenham campus of Blinn College to join Young Americans for Liberty, a student organization Sanders was forming. The two held signs for an hour and a half outside of the student center. One sign read “LOL,” with the Obama presidential campaign logo replacing the “O,” and another sign stated, “Defend Gun Rights on Campus.”

After they were done recruiting, Sanders and her friend went into the student center, where they were approached by an administrator and three armed campus police officers. The administrator told them they needed “special permission” to collect sign-ups for their club and display their signs. The official then added, “I don’t know that you can get special permission” to advocate for gun rights, explaining that she was not against guns, but “on campus, I’m not so sure.” Sanders later requested clarification from a different administrator, who sent her copies of two college policies, one of which required that student organizations request permission a month in advance and gain approval from four administrators for any on- or off-campus expressive activity.

 

The contest about who is allowed to speak and carry signs ended with Blinn College paying 50 thousand dollars for damages and attorney fees.

 

Well done.. And let’s “Defend Gun Rights on Campus.”

John – Good for Nicole. Too bad Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal, a NRA A+ rated Republican, didn’t listen to her. He vetoed campus carry yesterday which had easily passed the GA Legislature.

 

Another record month of background checks

According to AWR Hawkins over at Breitbart April set the 12th record month in a row of background checks for retail gun sales.  Background checks performed in April was 2,145,865. That beats the previous April record of 1,742,946, which was set in 2014. This streak should continue, and if it looks like Hillary may actually win her bid for the White house expect to see it explode, and another round of gun and ammo shortages hit your local gun store.

 

Rob- 23 percent year to year is substantial growth.

 

Sheldon Silver gets a 12 year sentence

Former New York state assembly speaker and one of the authors of the New York SAFE act Sheldon Silver was sentenced to 12 years in prison this week for corruption. In addition to the prison term Sheldon was ordered to repay 5.2 million in ill gotten gains and pay a 1.75 million dollar fine. Sheldon must report to the prison by July 1st to start serving his sentence.

Paul

Rob- Convicted felon Sheldon Silver was a very strong supporter for Hillary Rodham Clinton

Gary – Unfortunately you are the only person saying it, we won’t see that in the press.

 

Obama going after gun rights through Social Security.

Katie Pavlich over at Townhall is reporting that the Obama administration is trying again to push through a requirement that all recipients of Social Security that get their benefits through a third party be submitted to the federal NICS system and have their 2nd amendment rights stripped. This is a trap that will possibly ensnare millions of Social Security recipients who may for convenience decide that they would like some help with their financial affairs. This is a move that we have reported on before, but it looks like the Obama administration is getting serious about moving forward on this quickly.

 

John – Adding another 4 million people to the NICS banned list makes me angrier than you can image. It is unconscionable to these people and to veterans who fought for this country.

Gary –

Rob- Some of them are ill or undergoing medical treatment.  If you ask someone to pay your bills while you’re undergoing chemo then you lose your right to own or be near a firearm.

 

Beating on the Chicago “EL”

A student was attacked on the CTA Blue Line in broad daylight – and she says other people on the train just watched as she was beaten. (WLS)

 

Chicago DePaul student Jessica Hughes was on her way home when she was attacked while sitting in a rail car near the Blue Line stop at Harrison and Kedzie. The attack happened around 10am on Thursday morning.

 

“If you were seeing someone else getting abused, wouldn’t you want to step in?” Hughes said.

 

Hughes said that perhaps more painful than the beating she took at the hands of two robbers while riding the “L”, is that fellow passengers who saw the attack, did nothing to stop it.

 

“I was yelling for help. There were two other guys on the train and they did nothing. They just watched as he beat me,”

 

Her 19 y.o. Attacker wanted her iPhone and started beating her when she would not let go. His female accomplice then punched her in the face before fleeing at the next stop without the iPhone.

 

Hughes suffered a broken nose but is recovering at home. She is not sure when or if she will take the train again given the attack.

 

Police said they are looking at surveillance video as they continue to search for the attackers. So far, no one is in custody.

 

Rob- People watched as this young woman was beaten in broad daylight .. in a gun free zone.

Gary –

John – Gary, Is pepper spray also banned?

 

Gun Quotes-  This one is from Michael Beard.  Michael said, “I would agree that clearly, no law is going to prevent criminals from getting handguns or any kind of weapons they want.. You can’t stop criminals from getting guns”  Michael Beard was the executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins.

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4- Interview 1-Troy Clopton of god and guns podcast

 

5- Interview 2- Greg Hopkins about Guns and the Christian faith. He is the author of A Time to Kill: The Myth of Christian Pacifism

Rob- You sound certain.  Why is this contentious?

 

6- DGUs

 

We’ve got a number of self defense stories – unfortunately, with more than usual lessons to be learned.

 

Real vs. Fake Gun – Which One Wins?

A Millennial brought a BB gun to a gunfight — and whadayaknow — lost.   

The Boston area teen offered to sell a dirt bike to a 31-year-old man. They settled on a 700 buck price and agreed to meet in a quiet, family neighborhood to complete the deal.  However, the 15-year-old had something other than honest capitalism in mind; he packed a realistic looking BB gun.

When the teenager produced the gun, there was an immediate struggle for the weapon. During the fight, the victim was able to get to a pistol he had in his truck. He fired three times, striking the crook once. The ventilated criminal ran off, but collapsed nearby.  Police arrived to take the thuglet to the hospital, where his condition has not been released due to his age. He will eventually be charged with Armed Robbery While Masked. The investigation is continuing, but to date no charges have been filed against the victim, who is licensed to carry a gun. The victim wisely refused to discuss the shooting with local media. The area’s residents seemed generally supportive of the victim, despite the gunplay that shattered their neighborhood’s quiet.


When looking at this incident, we must again reiterate the dangers of these Craigslist type of sales. Please be hyper-aware and utilize police parking lots to make the transactions, if possible. And if licensed, it is nearly always better to carry on body, instead of nearby. Leaving the gun in the truck could have proved disastrous to the gentleman. For the Millennial, we hope he will learn something from this experience and straighten out… We can always hope.  

 

Paul – Play stupid games win stupid prizes – POGO

Rob- Consider the options.  The gun is usually real, not a bb bun.  Carry, because you don’t know when criminals will attack you.

 

80-Year-Old Stops Brutal Attack By 25-Year-Old

Talk about disparity of force: a 25-year-old intruder with a large knife was stabbing a 75-year-old man on the floor. Fortunately, his 80-year-old wife had an equalizer.

 

Investigating the late-night sounds of a door being kicked in, the woman found her husband on the floor, with a man with a large knife standing over him. She ran to a bedroom and got a gun and shot the attacker several times, saving her husband from additional wounds. He was airlifted to Seattle hospital with several abdominal stab punctures, but is expected to survive. His assailant did not.


Police determined that the criminal (excuse us: the person involved in the <quote> “Justice” <end quote> system) lived several miles away from the couple’s’ rural Snohomish County, Washington home. Police believe the perpetrator did not know the victims; this seems a random crime; perhaps the house was chosen for it’s remote location.   

 

We certainly commend the woman’s courage and skill. However, we will point out that several precious seconds could have been saved it the couple were wearing their firearms. We will continue to advocate for POGO: Pants On – Gun On, even if you are living your Golden Years in the beautiful Washington countryside. This is just one more instance where the possession of a firearm by law-abiding citizens prevented a tragedy that could well have included multiple murders.



Can you hear us now, Bloomberg?  

 

John – While the intruder may not have known his victims, I wonder if he went after them for drugs. Elderly people tend to be on more medications.

Pregnant Couple In Stand-Off With Armed Burglar
A young Tennessee couple faced a nightmare situation: a Mexican Stand-off with an armed intruder.


The couple returned home one evening and found several broken windows. They somehow decided to search their home with guns drawn. It was hardly surprising that they found a man in a closet, and that he had a gun. In a scene reminiscent of the classic The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly climax, the three faced each other over drawn guns. The couple recognized their 20-year-old neighbor and the woman’s pink handgun he was pointing at them. The criminal threatened the couple with death unless they disarmed, they refused and called 911. Making the best of an insane situation, the operator told the couple to stay on the phone and “keep your gun pointed. That way, if he shoots, you fire also.” <unquote>  Oy. <unquote>

 

When deputies arrived, they tried negotiating with the suspect still inside the house. The cornered criminal even called 911 to talk to the cops. “He counted down from 10. We heard “7”, then we heard a pop.” The suspect had taken his own life.

When analyzing this situation, there’s one very big DON’T DO! Never enter a building where a criminal is suspected of hiding. That’s for the police; they have the training, equipment and manpower to do that very dangerous task. Clearing a building can and does get people killed, even trained professionals. These two, and their unborn child, are VERY lucky they survived.

Stupidity kills. Even if Darwin happened to be looking the other way this time.  

 

Rob- Let’s look at what they did right.  They were carrying, and they did not lower their guard.

 

Boy Shoots a Home Invader, Who Cries Like a Baby

A Talladega, Alabama boy shot a home invader, making him cry like a widdle baby.  Chris Gaither, 11 was home alone when a burglar broke in. Scared, he grabbed a handgun and called for the burglar to leave the house. It seems the boy was surprised by the intruder coming down the stairs. The crook told the boy he was going kill him with all the usual colorful expletives.   

 

According to the news reports, the intruder made it to the front door before the boy started firing. The crook trundled across the yard and was about to jump a fence before the boy’s 12th and last round hit him in the leg.  “I shot through the hamper he was carrying,” Gaither said. “it was a full metal jacket bullet. It went straight through the back of his leg. He started crying like a little baby.” <unquote>

 

Police have not released the name of the suspect, nor his condition in the local hospital. Gaither’s mother believes the man has robbed their house before. The young marksman gives his stepdad all the credit for his shooting skills.

It goes without saying that we commend the bravery of the boy. However, we will once again reiterate that if the criminal is running away, the law in Tennessee and most states does not allow the victim to fire. Additionally, full metal jacketed bullets usually have no place in a self-defense firearm. Still, when this stout-hearted lad turns 18, we hope he gets his CCW, along with some additional training.

 

Paul – In SD the parent is liable (financially) for the actions of their children.

 

Rob- Good that he was armed.  Good that his parents exposed him to firearms and decided he was mature enough to use them.  Bad that he fired at a fleeing criminal.  The youngsters use of force may be justified since the criminal threatened him with death or great bodily harm.

 

John – I would make sure that the young man get some more training. If he only hit him with one out of 12 rounds, he needs more marksmanship training plus knowing when to not shoot.

 

CCW Intervenes in a Domestic Dispute Shooting — And is Killed
And finally, come a very harsh, very real aspect of our concealed carry life, one we feel our listeners need to take to heart.

T.J. Antell, 35, witnessed a domestic dispute turn to gunfire outside a Arlington, Texas Walgreen’s. Ricci Bradden, 22, shot his wife Quinisha once in the ankle and jumped in his truck to escape. Former Marine Antell ran to his own truck for his weapon and attempted to stop Bradden. The Army soldier got out of his truck, slapped down Antell’s firearm, and shot him in the head. The father of three died in the Walgreen’s parking lot in front of his wife, Crystal.  

 

“He went into protective mode. He’s a father, he’s protective by nature,” Antell’s pastor, Marc Lowrance, told reporters. “And he thought he could help everyone involved, and tragically it went a different way.” <unquote>

Tragic is a gross understatement. There’s nothing about a CCW license or training that guarantees a happy outcome. A very brave man put his life on the line attempting a citizen’s arrest of an armed and fleeing suspect. And unfortunately, he lost that bet, to the detriment of his family and to all of us that no longer have the company of such a fine man. One of the absolute rules of the armed citizen is that if you do not need to act to save life or limb, You. Should. Not. Act. Please honor the memory of T.J. Antell and keep that in mind. And maybe, spare a moment in prayer for this outstanding man and his family.  

Godspeed, T.J. Antell. Rest in Peace, Marine.  

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Hello again from the Steel City!

 

Wanted to share my thoughts on a class I took over the weekend here in Pittsburgh. My skills with a carbine are somewhat lacking so I decided to take a “Carbine 1”: course taught locally here in the area. Class was $350 bucks. This is a rather long winded email, so feel free to edit this to fit for time purposes or as needed.

 

Here is what I was told via their web site.

 

TOPICS COVERED WILL BE:

  • Firearms Safety Rules
  • Developing Proper Situational Awareness
  • Carbine Zeroing
  • 7 Fundamentals of Carbine Marksmanship
  • Carbine Reloads and Malfunction Clearing
  • Carbine to Pistol Transitions
  • Proper Use of Cover and Concealment
  • Threat Discrimination
  • Standard and Non-Standard Shooting Positions
  • Shooting While Moving
  • Night Shoot / Low Light Exercise

 

Well let me say the course was not what it was built up to be. I could give you a blow by blow of the course but I’ll just give you the lowlights here.

1) We were told to bring a minimum of 500 rounds. After day one, he out loud questioned if 500 hundred rounds would be enough, then when all was said and done, Ii personally only got to shoot about 350 rounds (we all shot the same amount so I am sure most had extra ammo at the end. Some even went to the gun store to buy more after day 1 based on his comments.

2) His demeanor ranged from wanting to be our buddies more than teach us to downright belittling one student who was struggling.

3) Some brought his stated minimum number of 3 AR magazines then were criticized for not having enough and slowing the class down.

4) Several things we were to cover were simply not done. Two people said they needed to zero their rifles, he took about 15 minutes to help them then just said “Well that is good enough, you can work with that” The “7 fundamentals of carbine marksmanship” were not covered except for him to name them out to us on the firing line. We did ZERO malfunction drills. ZERO. Cover and concealment were not covered. All shooting was done standing on the firing line for all shooting. No shooting and moving. No night shoot.

5) the last hour and a half were spent with him giving his list of AR’s and equipment he recommends. And when i say recommends, if your not using what he uses, it’s junk. Example. “All pistols other than the Glock series and the S&W M&P series are junk.” Student who owns a Sig 226. “What about Sig’s?” Instructor “Sig’s are over engineered junk”.  Another example “The only AR you should get should be made by one of 3 companies. Bravo Compnay, Lurue. Or Colt. Anything else is junk.” Now mind you, I am smart enough to see the errors in his statements, but most of the class was nodding their heads and literally taking notes. One person behind me spoke to his wife (also attending the class) about his need to trade in this existing AR for one that the instructor mentioned.  

6) The instructors Bravo Company AR repeatedly jammed during class. He blamed this on new magazines he was trying out. I gave him one of my milspec Brownell mags to use to complete a drill he was trying to show us, The gun jammed again. At this point he performed the mortar technique to attempt to clear it and broke his stock then went into a tirade about  it.

7) He gave a long and rambling history of the AR which included many errors including that the US military adopted the AR15 as the M16 in 1957. His history also skipped the M-14 going direct from the M1 Garand to the M16.

8) We also were told at the end of the class that we as students had to pick up all the brass and place them in several buckets he had. When I mumbled out loud that he was probably going to reload our brass for himself, he heard and said, “Oh i donate all this to a local boy scout troop, they take it to be recycled”. OK fine, whatever. I doubt it but a paying customer should not have to be down on his or her knees for 30-45 mins of my class time picking up brass.

The class was an extreme disappointment. the instructor kept moving different parts of the class around and generally didn’t seem to have a grasp of what he was trying to accomplish. mind you, this guy has been in business for years. His main goal seemed to be to stroke his own ego. And the sad part is, many of the students were gladly signing up for his “Carbine 2” class offered later this year.

 

So how does one respond when you go to a class that is clearly not what we expect? Should I just consider this water over the dam and drop it? How can we as the consumer protect ourselves from getting sucked in by a slick website or someone promising all the right things in their ad’s.

Dean

Rob- the best recommendations are from students who’ve had a wide range of training.

John – ask other instructors who you trust to recommend someone in your area.

 

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Last episode, you talked briefly with Grant Cunningham about carrying while on a motorcycle, and I have recently had a related topic come up – Bicycle carry.

 

I recently moved to a metropolitan area and landed an office job, and in an effort to keep a spare tire at bay, I’m going to take up bicycling for exercise.  Since I am in a large city, I would like to be able to carry while I’m on a bike, but my traditional IWB at 5:00 prints like a Deskjet when I’m bent over my bicycle, and clothing can ride up over it easily.  The fanny pack mentioned last episode sounds like a good idea, but does anyone else have experience with other carry methods that might work as well?  It needs to be resistant to clothing riding up over it, as well as the jostling you might expect if I take a bicycle over a curb or a busted-up sidewalk, and I would like to be able to wear reasonably light clothing while exercising.

 

Thanks,

Jake (from State Farm)

 

John – http://www.thewilderness.com/safepacker-concealment-holster/

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Hi folks,

I just wanted to add to the conversation from the last podcast about shooting from bed.  I gave this some thought in our house.  I realized that my position in bed could have me firing at my daughter who is in line with me, 2 drywall walls away.  I have seen lots of ballistic penetration videos where this arrangement could be a real problem.  Now, will I be able to consider this alignment given the sleep inertia that Paul discussed?

 

Thanks for the great podcast.

 

Doug

Savage, MN

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We got some text messages as well

 

A quick reporting regarding alien gear cloak tuck 3.0. Worn for 3 weeks, the metal insert began to cut the top where the leather and neoprene backing are stitched together. Relatively comfortable and had to change to metal clips as the plastic ones provided initially were not secure. Warranteed,but obviously would happen again so ordered a stealth gear. They are 45 day lead time, but I’ll send word once it’s tested etc.

TNJR (Tennessee Junior)

 

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Afternoon crew,

 

Since I don’t own an AR (yet) my wife says I can have one under two conditions.

  1. Get a gun safe
  2. She wants one too

God I’m blessed 😊

I don’t know anything about gun safes other than I don’t want a cheap one that anyone can break into and I don’t want to break the bank either. Any recommendations on which brands you all like, what to look for in a quality safe etc etc would be helpful.

 

P.S. I need to hurry up and get this before Killary gets in office next January.

 

Thank you

JP

 

CF: Worn an Alien Gear CloakTuck 3 almost daily for 6 months without a problem. Hmm. As for safes, I honestly believe Liberty Safes are the best value for the money: great safes and a greater company supporting them. (Full Disclosure: I’m the Liberty Safe Captain at the Gonne Shoppe. But, I’ve had a Liberty FatBoy Jr. in my basement before I started working there.)  

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Regarding Richard’s shot timer question from episode 374, tell him to check out the Shotmaxx

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From Jeff in Florida-

I heard you talking about using blue guns with students.  When I have a student point a blue gun at my right eye to check their sight alignment,  I make it very clear that this is an instructional exception.  In my opinion, and from my observation, the students then get it; better than they would have, the importance of muzzle awareness.

 

Rob- use a mirror.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I’m writing about the lives that gun owners saved in April.  Those articles will be up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog “only guns and money”

 

I have two blog posts of note that I’d like to highlight. The first was about Rev. Rob Schenk saying you can’t be pro-life and pro-gun. I disagree. The second was this morning and I confessed to being a liar. However, I lied when asked by my new internist’s medical office asst if there were any guns in the home. I said no because it was none of their business. Besides, I own firearms not guns so you could say that technically I didn’t lie.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Troy Clopton and Greg Hopkins) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 375 – Interviews with Larry Piekarski and Grant Cunnigham

Full Episode Download:

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest  Larry Piekarski

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Grant Cunningham

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday April 28th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk about a gun buy-back event in Chicago, and a gun sell-back in Arizona

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with  Larry Piekarski about using SIRT pistols in training

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we also welcome back Grant Cunningham for an interview tonight.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU segment we talk about a DGU gone very wrong   .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 375 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I recorded another episode of SDGS.  Bloomberg wants my website, Everytown for Gun Safety.wordpress.com.  If there are lawyers in the house I want them to call me.  I was on lock and load radio with Bill Frady.

 

John – Barb and I will be taking off on Friday afternoon for the East Tennessee Bloggershoot held in Oak Ridge, TN. I have been busy assembling what firearms I want to take. The event is being organized by Dennis Badurina of Dragon Leatherworks. You may have seen some of his work on the TV shows NCIS and NCIS New Orleans. It will be fun to catch up with bloggers who I haven’t seen since the NRA Annual Meeting in Nashville.

 

Rachel – I went to the range TWICE! The second time, all the pistol bays were occupied with a Steel Challenge match. They let me jump in and shoot a stage. I had enough fun that I intend to go back next week for the whole thing.

 

A note for anyone attending the Republican Party of Texas state convention in Dallas in May: Conventions are chaotic and confusing. There are a few ways you can make an impact instead of wandering aimlessly and having no idea what’s happening. (1) Attend about 4 cycles (over 8 years) and eventually pick up on how it works.  (2) Tag along with someone you trust and do what they do. You’ll still never really figure it out but hopefully if they voted right then you did too. (3) Get some training ahead of time and get things done the first time (or, this time). I recommend Jeremy Blosser’s FANTASTIC training. Video link: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/85953256

 

Gary –

Friend of the show, Miggy wrote a blog post this week about some Oklahoma instructors encouraging the legislators to pass a bill requiring more firearm training. As John Lott has said training requirements and expensive permits most affect the people that are most likely to need a firearm to protect themselves.

 

Rob- Choose your own training and trainers.

 

Paul/Susan – Paul – shot some to prepare for the MAG 40 , Had a court date and things went VERY well

http://gogetfunding.com/fellow-advocate-needs-your-help/

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 

Obama Continues To Press Pro-Criminal Initiatives   (Charlie’s Rant) (News/ Editorial)

During these endless months of Obama’s Long Goodbye, our boyish President seems unconcerned with the faltering economy, imploding Obamacare, Islamic terrorism, or an incoherent Foreign Policy, but is focused on fundamentally transforming the criminal’s place in American society.

 

Obama has long ranted about the number of minorities in prison, blaming a racist society instead of the perpetrators. He blamed the police for the imbalance, and through the DOJ’s regulations created the Ferguson Effect and Fetal Policing. Now, Loretta Lynch’s DOJ is requiring judges to throw away the law when dealing with minority criminals.

 

His administration is working to force the mainstreaming of felons, allowing them federal jobs, unfettered housing access and pushing toward restored rights, despite the very real risks of these criminals. He’s pardoned hundreds of violent drug dealers and reduce the sentences of hundreds of thousands more. It does appear that criminals are Obama’s latest prized and protected demographic – at an obvious cost to law-abiding Americans.  

 

In his latest Saturday Weekly Address, Obama continued to champion the felons. Delivered in his usual condescending tone, da Prez lectured the nation on the unfairness of criminal justice system and again pushed the need to radically reform American society. As is his wont, he threw out several unsupported claims, misrepresented statistics, all leavened by a smattering of  bald-faced lies. A prime example is his declaration that  “We know that simply locking people up doesn’t make communities safer.” We certainly do NOT know that. His statement is shown to be a lie by decades of experience with targeted enforcement, mandated sentencing, three-strikes laws, and . It was a tour-de-force of every misguided policy from this administration.  

 

     As in all of Obama policies, the question is “Why?” It’s easy to see the racialist motive: the Democrat minority coalition is showing some deep fractures, and the long solid black and Latino vote is showing signs of straying. More insidious are the efforts to radically remake American society by undermining as many institutions as possible. Regardless, these policies will likely remake America in the image of Chicago, New York, Baltimore, Philadelphia and San Francisco where Progressive policies have already resulted in a crime riddled environment.  And if Obama and Hillary can disarm the nation as they want, our country could be a very dangerous place indeed.  

Stay armed – stay vigilant – stay capable. Now more than ever.        

 

Rob- President Obama supports any demographic group who predominantly votes democratic.  That is the Chicago way.  The president doesn’t mind breaking the law to do so.

John – We have seen the start of this in Virginia with Gov. Terry McAuliffe just pardoned 200,000 felons and restored their rights including voting.

Paul

Gary –

 

What if we had a well publicized gun buy-back program in Chicago.. And the criminals ignored it.  You see, criminals don’t’ get their guns from honest gun owners.  People who don’t shoot are the ones who turn in old 22 rifles in exchange for gift cards.  I’m sorry to burst your anti-gun bubble, but criminal don’t use 22 caliber bolt action rifles to commit crimes..but the boy scouts use them to teach gun safety to beginning shooters.  Which group are you disarming with a gun-buy back?

 

Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said “Many of the people who would come to a gun buy-back event aren’t the ones causing problems.”  We call that a firm grasp of the obvious.

 

Rob- Political theater to promote politicians!

John –

 

Meanwhile, Arizona, Sheriff Joe Arpaio was selling the guns he collected from criminals.  He then used the $140,000 in gun sales to buy ammunition for his volunteer posse.  Well, he bought some radios as well as nearly 500 cases of ammo in 9mm, .45, and .223.  The guns were sold to gun stores and from there to private purchasers.

 

Rob- See, no 40 cal.

 

Colorado Democrats Kill Repeal of Large Cap Mag Ban

 

There was hope that Colorado’s large or standard capacity magazine ban would be repealed. The Colorado Senate had voted to repeal the ban in mid-April. The bill then was sent to the House State, Veterans, and Military Affairs Committee which would have to approve it before it could go to the whole House of Representatives. Late on Monday night, this committee killed the bill on a party line vote. The committee is headed by Su Ryden who is also the House Majority Whip.

 

John – Ryden is now running for the State Senate. I wonder how much money she’ll get from Bloomberg for her campaign.

 

Long time publisher of gun magazines Harris Publishing shutting down

 

If you are in the checkout line at a convenience store or grocery store, or are perusing magazines to take aboard the next flight, you have probably looked over or bought a Harris Publications magazine. Some of the titles they publish are Combat Handguns, Guns and Weapons, Survivors Edge and Tactical Weapons among many others. Today they announced that they are shutting down as of April 29th. This is an unfortunate sign of the times as publishers everywhere are competing with the likes of blogs, YouTube and Podcasts. It is unfortunate that a large name in the gun world is shutting the doors.

 

John – It’s sad and it’s not sad. Publications like Recoil which is aimed at a younger audience seem to be doing well. Likewise, more narrowly tailored publications like Handloader, Rifle, and American Handgunner seem on solid footing. This announcement merely shows that the market works.

 

DOJ To Post “Smart Gun” Request for Comment Tomorrow

 

The Department of Justice is seeking public comments on their test procedures to “to determine whether the addition of a smart gun technology does or does not significantly reduce the reliability of the firearm system compared to existing firearms.” It will be posted to the Federal Register on Friday, April 29th and comments will close 45 days later. They are calling this the Gun Safety Technology Challenge.

 

John – My suggestion is just to follow the Four Rules. In the meantime, I think it is time for our listeners, especially those that are engineers, to submit comments. Rob, that means you!

 

Rob- Marketers lie.  Start with legislative security details and school resource officers where THEIR children go to school.  Start with LEOs.

 

John –

 

Gun Quotes  The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground. – Thomas Jefferson

 

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4- Interview 1 –  Larry Piekarski

SIRT Pistols – Firearms Training at Gunsense.  SIRT training.  iMarksman system.

 

Larry, we recently had a conversation about using SIRT pistols in conjunction with training and you told us that you have some experience with that. How have you been using them?  NRA basic pistol.

 

Rob- Do you let your students move with the SIRT pistol?

 

Rob- Lasers are good for distance shooting at night.

 

5- Interview 2 – Grant Cunningham

 

Motorcycles and guns-

You don’t have a third hand to use a firearm when you’re on the road.  There is a lot of keyboard heroes who give bad advice.

Bikes have an advantage in acceleration, deceleration, maneuverability and size.

Suburbia offers you an advantage because a bike can create distance.  Pull into a gas station.  Distance is your defense.

Consider cross draw when you’re riding.. Or a fanny pack.

 

6- DGUs

 

Store Owner Fires a McLatchy, Causing Armed Robbers To Flee

The owner of Bridgeport, Connecticut minimart found himself staring down the barrels of two robbers. He returned the favor, with interest – causing the two thugs to flee for their lives.

Two masked and hooded men walked into the store with their guns already drawn. As they stepped inside, one even cocked his weapon. Before words could be exchanged, the store owner reached for his gun and fired a warning shot into the ceiling, sending the bandits stumbling outside. “How am I gonna be scared because when you do a business you’re not supposed to be scared of anything. You make a living,” said the owner, Mohamed Yasir. A licensed firearm holder confronted the suspects outside the store and shots were exchanged. Apparently, none of the shots connected with anything but the store’s window.

 

Yasir has been there before, he’s been robbed 8 times in 25 years. The last time was just four weeks ago. “I know they came to rob me, they came to shoot me or whatever but always you for to protect yourself. I got family to feed,” Yasir said. The resolute storeholder had already shot two assailants in the past.

 

Bridgeport Police Captain Brian Fitzgerald said; “We would like our victims or store clerks to just cooperate and hand them the money. But in this case, you have people coming into your store and they’re armed, you have a means to defend yourself, you believe your life is in immediate threat then obviously you have a right to defend yourself.”


While we commend store owner Yasir for his bravery, a warning shot while under the gun cannot be recommended. In that deadly situation, the first shot should have been aimed to stop the attack. And the passerby who injected himself into a situation that was rapidly ending was also foolhardy. If you don’t absolutely need to fire to save your life YOU. DON’T. NEED. TO. FIRE. Yasir might also want to think about a safer location for his business. Someday, he might not be so lucky.

Foresight and training, people. Get some.  

 

Rob- The gun stays in the holster until it needs to work.


Paul

Rachel- Texas penal code chapter 9, use of force – “A threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor’s purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.”

 

Jilted Lover Breaks Into Woman’s Home – And Gets Shot

Last week, we told you about an ex-boyfriend’s obsession that led to a crime spree of home-invasions, kidnapping, arson, interstate flight, multiple assaults, and an attempted murder that was finally ended by a good samaritan with a gun. This week, we bring you a similar story; however, one where the gun was used at the beginning – to a much happier end.   

A jilted Columbia, South Carolina area man decided to visit his ex-girlfriend very early one Sunday morning. He didn’t ring the doorbell; he broke in through a window. However, the intruder found that his former paramour and future victim had an… “acquaintance” staying with her. And that man was armed.

In defense of their lives, the replacement shot the invader in the upper body. The attack stopped almost before it had begun. Police arrived to take the ex to the local hospital, where his condition has not been disclosed. Investigators are trying to determine if there was domestic abuse in the former couple’s past.

The new boyfriend is not expected to face anything but praise for stopping this assault in the name of love.  

 

Rob- We’ve heard stories like this before.  Move on.

 

Three on One Home Invasion – Criminal Gets the Slug
Three thugs have been charged with armed home invasion and attempted murder. The trio fired several shots within the home, but it was the homeowner that landed his response.  

Just outside Youngsville, Louisiana, three thugs tried an early morning home invasion. They surprised a sleeping homeowner who was awake enough to hit one of the criminals in the exchange of gunfire. The suspects escaped to a hospital, where they were arrested by police. The one suspect’s wound was minor enough, and all three were charged with attempted second-degree murder in addition to aggravated burglary.

It should be noted that the homeowner’s firearm allowed him to survive a surprise home invasion by three armed and prepared thugs, winning his life against fearsome odds. Without the firearm, the homeowner would have been at the non-existent mercy of the three criminals; a clear validation of the need to be armed.

You listening, Hillary?  

 

Rob- Would that work in California where a firearm has to be locked when not in use?

Gary –

John – A Clinton utopia? Is that a new name for Hell?

Paul – Sleep inertia

Rachel- yes

 

One Suspect Dead, One Wounded in Home Invasion
An 80-year-old man shot two robbers who had forced their way into his home.  One of them was taken to the hospital, the other to the morgue.

The elderly gentleman opened his Fairmont, West Virginia door to a distraught young  woman pleading to use his phone in an emergency. His chivalry was abused when two unseen, black-clad accomplices forced the open door and threatened the man with a pistol. In that desperate situation, the homeowner pulled his own gun and shot the two suspects. Police arrived to find one man lying in the road with a gunshot to the face and neck. He was pronounced dead at the scene. His partner was found across the street suffering from an abdominal wound. The 23-year-old female shill escaped but was later captured by the police. Their pistol was found to be a realistic airsoft or BB gun.  

John Grossklaus, 28, will survive his injury. He has been charged with robbery, with many other charges to follow. He has also been booked for an earlier strong arm robbery that put the victim is the hospital. That earlier assault, in partnership with the deceased, occurred a mere 30 minutes before the home invasion. Unsurprisingly, the burglar, Grossklaus, has also been charged with parole violations. Whitney Kabiru, 23, was charged with robbery and conspiracy.

 

In their press release, police stated the homeowner had reason to believe that his use of force was necessary to defend himself against a perceived imminent use of unlawful deadly force. No charges are expected for elderly man.

We can certainly learn a lot from this encounter. The firearm allowed an elderly man to stand against two younger, more powerful, more violent men. On body carry allowed an immediate, lifesaving response. Wearing the gun even late in the night at home (POGO) kept a bad situation from becoming even worse. And finally, DON’T allow anyone you don’t have reason to trust access to your home – especially after midnight. The elderly gentleman’s civility could have cost him his life – except for the equalizer of his firearm.

 

Paul – I want to reiterate the on body carry importance

 

A Bad Shoot Will Likely Cost a Homeowner and Benefit a Criminal

Most of our DGUs usually feature stories where the victim uses a gun correctly to defend lives. We would be remiss if we didn’t also include instances where a firearm was used incorrectly, in this case to the detriment of the victim and the benefit of the criminal.     

 

In Portland, Indiana, a criminal convicted of burglarizing a garage is suing the homeowner who shot him. David McLaughlin, 33, fired at the thief running from his garage. One of the bullets hit David Bailey, 31, in the left arm as he ran down the alley. A Jay County Superior Court jury found McLaughlin guilty of criminal recklessness in the shooting of the fleeing suspect. He was sentenced to 60 days in jail, with four months of home detention. The criminal Bailey was given a sentence of only three-years home detention with no jail time.

Now, Bailey is suing homeowner McLaughlin for “serious and permanent damage” to his arm, asking for “a monetary award in an amount sufficient to compensate for all damages.”

 

The use of a firearm is a very serious business. In most states, self-defense is the ONLY reason deadly force can be allowed. Defense of property is seldom a sufficient reason. As a rule, only an immediate, credible, realistic threat to life or limb can justify a shooting. And if the encounter has ended, and the suspect is trying to escape, the armed citizen cannot fire. Adequate training, like Massad Ayoob’s MAG 40, would have informed the man of what he could — and most importantly must not — do. That training could have saved an honest man a jail sentence and having to give his money to a crook.  

 

Paul – Every bullet has a lawyer attached to it

Rob- You can’t let your emotions drive your trigger finger.  Training will teach you when not to stop.  Advanced practice will reinforce that decision.

Rachel- I’ve been told Texas law allows greater use of force (including deadly force) to protect property than any other state (or most others). Still, know the law and know what is worth deadly force to you. (http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/SOTWDocs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm, subsection D)

Gary –

John – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

 

Rob- insurance

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Jake wrote in about Ham Radios

 

You guys briefly mentioned the Baofeng handheld radio last episode in the context of emergency preparedness.  As someone who recently got into ham radio for prepping purposes and who got a Baofeng, I wanted to elaborate on what you guys were saying a bit.

 

With handheld radios in general and the Baofeng in particular, you need to understand the limits of your equipment.  You will not be using this rig to talk to China, or even the next town over.  Your effective range with this unit is perhaps 3-6 miles, or around 40-80 miles if you are on high ground or talking to a repeater that has good line of sight, though this is all extremely dependent on terrain.  Still, the frequencies it can listen to are in common use by police and rescue units, and radios like this are often used in disaster scenarios.  It also can listen to FM radio and NOAA weather stations, which are very useful for natural disasters.

 

Regarding licensing, there is a specific exemption in the FCC rules that allows anyone to use any radio equipment if it is the best way to save someone’s life or safety, regardless of licensing.  That said, much like the DGU you discussed last week, you don’t want your first time using your emergency equipment to be during a crisis.  The Baofeng can be difficult to operate and program, and takes a lot more expertise than your little walkie-talkies you used as a kid.  Without a license, it is impossible to verify if you programmed the radio right, so while you can certainly listen, you won’t know if anyone can hear you talk until it’s too late.  The technician license to operate the Baofeng is very easy to get, though, and costs less than $20, so if you plan on using one for emergencies, PLEASE get a license and learn how to use it.  This has the side benefit of putting you in contact with other operators who can help you learn and maybe give you some suggestions as to your next step.

 

Keep up the good work,

Jake from Iowa

 

John – I agree. Get the license. I did – KJ4HTR or Kilo Juliet 4 Hotel Tango Romeo in Ham-speak. Ham Clubs will train you how to use your radio and radios in general. The American Radio Relay League and their members want to help.

Gary –

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-  I was sick this week.  So I’d lay in bed for a few hours and then post on my blog.  I wrote about honest New Yorkers having to bribe police in order to get a gun.  I wrote about government officials in the United States and in France saying they citizens should be disarmed and wait for help if they are attacked.  Those articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog-  slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog, only guns and money

 

Sorry to hear that you were sick! I posted a story on Saturday morning about actor Brad Pitt co-hosting an event for the Brady Campaign. This is the same Brad Pitt who gave Angelina Jolie a $400,000 indoor shooting range for their French chateau. This plus some earlier statements gave the misimpression that Mr. Pitt was “good” on guns. Actually, he believes in gun for him and none for you peasants. I’d say this makes him a hypocrite. While I hate to toot my own horn, my post was published 2-3 days before Breitbart and other sites picked up the story.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Larry Piekarski and Grant Cunningham for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 374 – Bob Mayne Talks Training

Full Episode Download:  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/374.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment 1:

3- News Segment 2:

4- Interview Segment 1: Guest Bob Mayne

5- Interview Segment 2: Guest Bob Mayne

6- DGU Segment 1:

7 DGU Segment 2:

8- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday April 21st 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Instructor and Podcaster Bob Mayne about teaching self – defense.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a judge who allowed the Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue forward

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we find out that apparently you CAN get a CCW in New York City, if you pay the price..

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU segment we have another “Don’t torque off the old guy story! .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 374 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I did not carry all day every day.  I was traveling and I also had to take my wife to the hospital.  She is fine, but I had to leave my gun at home each time I was in the waiting room.  That left me thinking of the doctors I know who are disarmed at work every day.  I’m still reading the two books on the second amendment.. And carrying almost every day.  We put out another podcast this morning of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  The firearms instructor for this episode was Tony Simon. We had our 6 thousandth download.  Oh, and I was on the Lock and Load Radio program with Bill Frady  As you might expect, we talked about self-defense gun stories.

 

John – I’ve started reading Laura Carno’s new book How Government Ruins Everything and I like it. Having sent in my tax returns on Sunday night, it makes me grit my teeth thinking of all that money being wasted. On a happier note,  I will be attending a gathering of gun bloggers in East Tennessee the weekend after next organized by Dennis Badurina of Dragon Leatherworks. I’m trying to decide what to bring in the way of firearms. We will be spending Saturday at the range. I’m still trying to decide what to bring beyond an AR or two and a couple of revolvers. Any suggestions?

 

Rachel

  • Much less busy….only like 55 hours of work this week, 1 kid, no football.
  • Almost made it to the range. Well, drove into it, almost made it out of the car to shoot.
  • Considered buying ammo for this really cool course I have coming up in South Dakota
  • Met with an activist to coach her on getting stuff done at the RPT state convention. Realized that’s the kind of thing I live for: helping people find processes to use their skills to accomplish their goals to give their lives meaning. <3

(Bullet strikes again. 😉 )

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Instructors spend time at the range but don’t always get to shoot </3

Ben Branam shared this video on Facebook and what starts as an investigative stop of someone walking down the highway turns into a suicide by cop incident. While the article has many good points, there is one aspect not covered. As we all learned in our concealed carry or MAG40 classes, human nature is to want to explain what happened, but we need to shut up. As a fellow officer removes the officer involved in the shooting from the immediate scene 7:35 into the video the officer starts to explain what happened. The probably senior officer quickly tells him to stop talking, there will be time to talk about it later, as this is what officers are trained to do.

Rob- Would the officer been as accommodating to a civilian involved shooting?

 

Paul/Susan – Paul – My student tested out and got his own truck yesterday. I am really proud of this guy. He had some real challenges, but worked really hard while he was with me and did what it took. I have rarely had a student with such a great working attitude.

 

He had the truck driving equivalent of training scars. In a truck you NEVER press on the throttle while you let the clutch out. That’s a great way to ruin a heavy duty clutch in a hurry. Even from a dead stop fully loaded uphill the truck has enough torque at idle to start you rolling just by letting the clutch out. This guy had driven gas engine clutch transmissions all of his life, including racing mud trucks. A gas engine by and large doesn’t have enough torque to do that, so for all of his driving life he had been pressing the accelerator as he let out the clutch, thereby making the truck rock and jolt when he did it in the big truck. It took a LONG time but we were finally able to get that habit broken and a more positive one in place.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

2- News 1

 

Judge allows suit against Sandy Hook gun maker to advance

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/04/14/not-good-connecticut-judge-rules-sandy-hook-families-lawsuit-against-remington-can-proceed-n2148700

 

A Connecticut judge ruled Thursday April 14th that a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the gun used in the Sandy Hook shootings, and other companies, can move forward.

A Connecticut Superior Court judge denied a motion to dismiss the lawsuit against the companies involved in the manufacturing, distribution and sale of the rifle used in the deadly 2012 shootings.

Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings on Dec. 14, 2012 to kill 26 people in less than five minutes. The families of the victims, which included 20 children, have sued the maker, distributor and seller of the rifle, arguing that the military-style gun should have never been available for civilians to purchase.

Connecticut State Judge Barbara Bellis rejected the gun companies’ argument that a 2005 federal law can protect gun businesses from civil lawsuits.

“We are thrilled that the gun companies’ motion to dismiss was denied. The families look forward to continuing their fight in court,” Josh Koskoff, the plaintiffs’ lead attorney, said in a statement.

Remington Arms Co., the manufacturer of the rifle, is named in the suit. Also named is Camfour Inc., a distributor of firearms, and the now-defunct Riverview Gun Sales, a dealer in East Windsor, Conn., that sold the rifle to Lanza’s mother in 2010.

Both sides of the case went back to court Tuesday April 19.

 

Gary – The trial trial begins on April 3, 2018 in two years with monthly meetings at the courthouse plus depositions and discovery; costing money, money and more money. Shortly after then we will hear the tragedy of the families that brought this suit having to pay the legal fees of Remington, although with this judge, she may ignore the law on that point as well.

 

John – I wouldn’t get too upset about it. All she said was that her court did have jurisdiction. The plaintiffs can still seek a motion to strike which would stop the suit in its tracks.

http://www.pagunblog.com/2016/04/14/connecticut-ruling-not-as-bad-as-first-feared/

 

Rob- A maryland court ruled that ARs are exotic.. Even though they are the most popular rifle sold.  This is a judge ruling that there are two classes of US citizens.  Government agents can have automatic rifles, and civilians can’t.

 

Paul – even if this judge rules and finds for the plaintiffs it is likely to be struck down on appeal

John – I’d point out the Maryland ct was a Federal ct and the CT court was at the state level. In the past, the US Atty would have moved to have the case to Federal court.

Rob- Well funded plaintiffs will target small business in order to set a precedent.

It is official: You can get away with SWATting in Ohio. from Miggy

A special prosecutor is refusing to charge Ronald Ritchie for the deceptive 911 call that he made that left two people dead in Beavercreek, Ohio in 2014. Put bluntly, Ritchie’s false claims SWATted John Crawford to death, and he’s going to get away with it. A special prosecutor declined to prosecute the 911 caller who reported a man waving a gun in a Beavercreek Wal-Mart before police fatally shot the shopper, who’d picked up an air rifle from a shelf.

Special Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier released the decision on Monday.

In his decision, Piepmeier stated that a Green County grand jury heard all of the evidence of the shooting on Aug. 5, 2014, including the actions of the caller, and had the authority to indict anyone they believed had criminal culpability in the shooting, including the caller. However, the grand jury did not bring charges.

Piepmeier also said, “The original call was basically, ‘I’m at the Beavercreek Walmart and there is a man walking about with a gun in the store.’” The remainder of his conversations was mostly answers in response to questions from a dispatcher.”

Piepmeier’s findings state that the charge of making false alarms requires that the defendant knew the information he was transmitting was false, but Piepmeier did not find any evidence that the caller knew any of the information was false.

Put bluntly, Piepmeier is full of crap.

Ritchie had to know he was exaggerating when he claimed that Crawford was loading the rifle, as the magazine on the BB gun was fixed, and molded into the frame.

Ritchie had to know he was exaggerating—I’d go so far as to opine that he was intentionally lying—when he claimed Crawford pointed the BB gun at people. It simply did not happen in the store’s security camera footage, which was synched to Ritchie’s 911 call.

Thanks to Ritchie’s deceptive call, officers thought they were responding to a real threat instead of a guy holding a product that the store sold who was benignly talking on the phone. As a result, Beavercreek police officer Sean Williams shot Crawford to death while Crawford was on the phone. Security camera footage suggests that Crawford never even knew anyone was there until Williams’ slammed two bullets through his body. A woman named Angela Williams was in the store and panicked when she heard the officer’s gunfire and attempted to flee the store with her children.

Williams had a heart attack and died, another death we can attribute to Ritchie’s deceptive call.

Vile, rabid gun control groups like the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence actively advocate the practice of SWATting gun owners. By refusing to prosecute Ritchie, Special Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier is effectively “green-lighting” SWATting in Ohio.

When the next innocent person is SWATted to death in Ohio, hold the gutless Piepmeier accountable.

 

John – Not that I like race baiters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton but why weren’t they involved in this case. A black man was SWATted by a anti-gun white guy. Oh, wait. They favor gun control. Never mind.

Rob- We know the police have no duty to protect.  Do police have any duty not to shoot the innocent?

Gary –

John – I just hope Crawford’s family sues the pants off of the SWATter.

 

Rejoin-

The French interior minister spoke this week.  He said that the ministry had learned important lessons from the violent muslim attacks on Paris and on Brussels.  The minister guaranteed that police and military anti-terrorism units would now respond to any militant attack in under 20 minutes.

 

Excuse me?  20 minutes?  20 minutes is a very long time.  Twenty minutes is long enough for any terrorist organization to take control of any concert venue, any soccer stadium or any major hotel.  They could have killed hundreds of people in 20 minutes.  They could have planted bombs and prepared hardened position in 20 minutes.  It sound to us that the interior minister didn’t learn his lesson at all.

 

Comments- The french make such sweet promises, and don’t keep them.

Rob- the lesson for the french people is that their government finds them expendable.

Gary – an armed citizenry are the distributed defense that is always at the scene of the crime.

Rachel – The french could invite a US pizza chain to also deliver guns.  That way they would arrive in less than 10 minutes.

Rob- Amazon can deliver guns by drones to disarmed French citizens.

 

The Obama Administration’s gun running operation called “Fast and Furious is back in the news. After years of delay, Judge Amy Berman ordered the Department of Justice to produce documents for Congress. The DOJ finally produced 20,000 pages this month.  These documents show the corruption we’d always suspected.

 

Here is a recap before we describe the recent revelations.  The Obama administration used the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the State department to run 2000 guns to Mexican drug gangs.  Those guns killed hundreds of Mexican citizens and several US border guards.

 

Obama refused to release documents when the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform tried to investigate.  Recent documents show the extraordinary lengths to which senior Department officials went to keep information from Congress. Further, the documents reveal how senior Justice Department officials—including Attorney General Eric Holder—intensely followed and managed an effort to carefully limit and obstruct the information produced to Congress.

 

Attorney General Eric Holder and his subordinates:

  1. Repeatedly claimed the charges of gunwalking in Arizona were false and refused to adjust the official position even after documents and evidence showed otherwise.
  2. The Obama administration politicized decisions about how and whether to comply with the congressional investigation.
  3. The US department of justice methodically devised strategies to redact or otherwise withhold relevant information about the scandal from Congress and the public.
  4. The DOJ tried to isolate the fallout from the Fast and Furious scandal to ATF leadership and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona.. Even though the senior officials knew about the operation.
  5. The Obama administration called itself the most transparent administration in history, yet it created a toxic culture of animosity towards congressional oversight.

 

Gary – We know of a border agent killed because the gun was left at the scene, how many more where the criminal took the gun with him.

 

John – I’d like to recognize the role that bloggers David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh played in forcing F&F into the open. Mike, by the way, is in his last days. His docs have given him 4 week or less to live. Please keep him and his family in your prayers.

 

Rob- Socialists in Congress and the media repeatedly told us that this was partisan Republican muck-raking.  It wasn’t.  Evidence shows that whistleblowers were right.

 

It isn’t what you know that counts in New York City.  It is who you know, and how much you pay them, that counts.  Our regular listeners know it is hard to get a permit to own a gun in New York City.  It is impossible for ordinary people in the city to get a license to carry a firearm in public.  That rule has exceptions for people who are large political donors and for celebrities, but many of these people rent their own armed security details anyway.  Lesser human beings like us have to pay off the police.

 

In this recent case, they paid an orthodox Jew who helped other orthodox jews and other business owners get firearms and concealed carry permits.  What they wanted was what we all want, and what most of us in the rest of the United States already have.  They wanted the right to keep and bear arms to protect themselves, their family, and their colleagues.  In most states that takes a permit application and a couple of dollars.   In New York city, it takes a couple months and a pocket full of money for bribes.

 

Both the middleman and the corrupt police officers were charged.

 

Rob – New York has a may issue permit scheme.  That means it is up to the discretion of the law enforcement officers if they will, or will not, issue a permit.  That scheme was  used New York City to deny guns to minorities.  Now it is used for bribes.  The may-issue system works for the police.  It works for politicians, and for those with wealth and power.  I have to ask, is bribery a fault in the system, or was it there all along, for years and years, exactly by design?

 

Gary – You and I don’t want corruption, or should I say, more corruption, in the New York City Police Department.  It isn’t clear that anyone with a permit committed any criminal act other than having to ransom their rights back from the city.  Who is guilty here, the person who took their rights, or the citizen who bought them back?

 

Paul- I have a prediction.  The citizens will be charged and convicted.  The police officers will keep their jobs. And the judges will look the other way and continue the May-Issue permit system.  That is how prohibition works.

 

If you think that our universities are full of anti-gun professors, you would be right. The Chronicle of Higher Education is like the Wall Street Journal for universities. In an article listed under “Advice”, a professor from an unnamed western college using the pseudonym Myrtle Lynn Payne admits she is conflicted about writing a letter of recommendation for teacher credentials for Sarah. You see, Sarah has shot an AK-47 and (gasp) liked it. Moreover, she plans to get her concealed carry permit. While Payne had promised Sarah the letter, now she is unsure because she doesn’t know if she is a gun right advocate or if she is in touch with her emotions. So she is asking her colleagues what to do. What should we tell Myrtle?

 

John – I have a solution for Myrtle – resign! She is at that college to educate students and not to indoctrinate them. BTW where did she get the name Myrtle? It was my aunt’s name and no girl born in the last 50 years has been named Myrtle.

 

Rob- I agree with John.  The professor is intolerant of a diverse student body.  The professor can’t control her bigotry and she should resign or be forced to leave the faculty.

 

Rachel- I could write a book about all the problems that led to this issue. Instead I’d just like to say, it’s sad that shooting a firearm and enjoying it is such a shocking and strange thing in someone’s mind.

Rob- You write it, Rachel.  John and I will post your rant on our blogs.

 

It’s not just the professors that are anti-rights on the nation’s campuses

 

Back on April 13th some students at the University of South Alabama were holding a protest. Nothing new here right? Well this was an empty holster protest to bring to light the fact that students were defenseless while on campus. One of the students, D.J. Patten, the president of the local chapter of Students for Concealed Carry, was interviewed by campus policeman David Turrpa. Turrpa told the student that since he had been a student there since 2014 he knew that there were rules prohibiting weapons of any kind on the campus, then despite the fact that there are no rules saying that holsters are not allowed on campus he proceeded to cite Patten for violating the student code of conduct by engaging in activities that threaten the safety of the campus community.

 

Two days later, after the video of the incident surfaced on YouTube, the chief of campus police called Mr. Patten to tell him that the citation should never have been written and that it was withdrawn. An internal investigation into the matter is being conducted by the campus police and officer Turrpa has been suspended without pay for 5 days.

 

Paul – please check our show notes and look at the YouTube video. The attitudes shown by the campus police are horrific. I was expecting them to draw down on the 2 students at any second at the beginning of the video. Both of these officers need much more than a 5 day suspension they need to have their next job entail the words “would you like fries with that?”

 

Rob- One of the shows recent guests has recently been elected as chapter president for Students for Concealed Carry in Florida.  Congratulations to Shayna Lopez Rivas.

 

Gun Quotes

If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. ~ George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796

 

Gary – I found this definition of Usurpation; A wrongful seizure or exercise of authority or privilege belonging to another; an encroachment. Boy those founding fathers had a way with words that needed no explanation and yet our rights are being usurped almost daily by the President, judges and lawmakers alike.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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4- Interview 1 – Bob Mayne

What makes a good trainer, and why it is important for the trainer to continue to train and to take outside instruction?

Instructors need to train to keep their skills sharp.. At least once a year.

There are advanced techniques.. Techniques that are more than the basics performed to a higher standard.

 

For someone aspiring to become an instructor, at what point should he consider himself ready to begin teaching? How can he measure his mastery and assess his readiness to begin teaching??

 

Comments on instructor classes vs. mentoring method to become an instructor?

 

Why do students finally seek training?

Bob

 

5- Interview 2-

Bob Mayne unhooked

SA vs DA

Blame Ben Branam Sig229 legion

Single action/double action test

How do students select their training? (hollywood or reading M Ayoob?)

 

What student questions perplex you?

 

What teachers inspire you?

 

What students inspire you?

Those who are willing to learn and try

 

Do most of your students practice between classes?

 

The guns should your students should avoid.. But don’t?

A gun that doesn’t work and a gun they can’t run.

 

Bob, I’m going to bug you again about coming to teach in WI/IL

Rob-

6- DGUs

ARMED BYSTANDER STOPS HOME DEPOT TIRE IRON ATTACK

 

A man stopped two men assaulting a security guard in the parking lot of a Home Depot hardware store in Texas. Armed with a pistol, the man held one of the two men at gunpoint until police arrived. The other man was able to flee the scene.

The Home Depot called the local Amarillo, Tex. police about a robbery, but before they were able to get to the hardware store things had already turned from bad to worse, reports local ABC affiliate 7 News.

The police confirmed suspect Ricky Solis, 35, took power tools from the store without paying for them. A Home Depot loss prevention officer approached Solis in the parking lot, who tried to make a run for it.

The guard caught Solis and a fight broke out between the two when a second suspect arrived to help Solis. The second man kicked the guard in the face then went back to his car to get a tire iron.

That’s when help arrived: an armed citizen. Drawing his pistol on the two assailants, he ordered them to get on the ground. The second suspect turned away, got back into his vehicle and fled, but not Solis, who was taken into police custody as soon as they arrived.

Police haven’t released the Good Samaritan’s name but said he kept Solis on the ground at gunpoint while the loss prevention officer used his own cuffs to detain him. No shots were fired and no other people were harmed.

The security guard suffered light injuries that did not need medical attention. The property was returned to the store, and the Amarillo police are still on the lookout for the second suspect who remains at large.

This is a reminder that private, and even public security forces are not always adequate and that no security is faster than personal security.

“This is hardly the first incident at Amarillo, Tex. Home Depot stores,” writes Bearing Arms. “Police arrested Brett Austin Leake after he stole merchandise and fought back against the loss prevention officer who tried to detain him”

“Police were again called to the Georgia St. store when Clifford Wayne Clardy was caught stealing merchandise and began to fight the loss prevention officer who confronted him.”

 

Paul

Rob- from start to finish-

 

Kidnapped Jeweler Shoots Driver and Passenger in Car

There’s a knock on your Henderson, Nevada home just after midnight. There’s a dark sedan parked out front with California plates. Two men say they have your employee zip-tied in the back. There is an implied threat of violence. They want you to come with them. Now.

What do you do? This is Vegas, do you gamble with your life?

 

It’s rarely a good idea to go anywhere with a kidnapper. Far too often, changing locations with a criminal directly leads to additional violence or death. Many self-defense instructors identify a demand to move as the point where you make your stand for your life, and fight.

However, the owner of a jewelry business voluntarily went with the kidnappers. But, there was another element swinging the probabilities in this life-or-death game. Unbeknownst to the criminals, the man had a hidden ace up his sleeve, or probably inside his waistband. Even at home after midnight, the jeweler still carried his concealed firearm. The kidnappers hustled their victim to the car, never expecting he was armed. When they inexplicably seated the jeweler in the back seat with his employee, the die was cast. The car didn’t make it out of the neighborhood before the jeweler drew his weapon and shot the driver and the other kidnapper in the front passenger seat.


The driverless car careened into the side of a house and caught fire. The jeweler and his coworker made it out – the two criminals did not.  They were pronounced dead at the scene from multiple close-range gunshots. In this high-stakes poker game, we’ll bet the shots were to the back of the head. Police are speaking with the two survivors and trying to get to the bottom of what happened. It should be obvious that in Sin City Las Vegas, there are a lot of questions still to be answered.  

What is known is the importance of POGO(™): Pants On – Gun On. Carrying a gun late at night in the home looks like it just might have saved this man’s life as well as his employee’s.  

POGO(™), it’s just not for the funny pages anymore.

 

Paul – I want to re-iterate something here. If you are confronted by a bad guy and they want to take you somewhere the time to act is NOW! You likely will never get another chance. The chances of you coming out of it alive are extremely slim. The chances of you coming out of it alive and unharmed are so close to 0 as to be indistinguishable. The bad guys made a major fatal mistake. They let the good guy sit behind them and did not search him for weapons. The good guy here got extremely lucky.

 

Good thing? Pants on gun on. I already covered the bad things. Anyone else want a crack at this one?

 

Home Invasion Stopped by Armed Neighbor

A Spring, Texas woman and her children were threatened with death by an armed robber who boldly strolled into their home. One of her boys escaped the invasion and ran across the street for help. That help came holding a gun. Many minutes closer than the cops, the armed neighbor ran to the defense of the family. He fired several shots, forcing the robber to flee for his life and saving the family. Sean J. Robbins, 28, was arrested several blocks away and has been charged with aggravated robbery and burglary.

We certainly commend the good samaritan for coming to the aid of his neighbors. His heroics came at a significant risk to his life, liberty and wealth. By stepping up, the neighbor saved the family from robbery or much, much worse. Good on you, sir! Yeehaw, Texas! This selfless act is part of the real West that comes with the free, unabridged ownership of firearms.

 

You listening, Shannon?    

 

Paul

Rob- swatted?

 

Two Good Samaritans Stop a Home Invasion And Beating

Two good samaritans heeded the desperate cries for help coming from a home in a quiet Erie, Pennsylvania suburb. They acted decisively, saving the two homeowners and a kidnapping victim, stopping an interstate crime spree, and wounding the suspect to ensure his final capture. And it was a firearm in law-abiding hands that made it possible.

Kyle Johnson, 25, started his violent spree by assaulting ex-girlfriend Brandi Shakir, 23, a week ago, leaving her with a broken eye socket and two black eyes. Shakir already had a restraining order against Johnson, who gained a felony assault warrant with the beating. None of that paperwork made the slightest bit of difference when he abducted Shakir and torched her mother’s house. Police had been searching unsuccessfully for Johnson and Shakir since Monday morning.  

Johnson travelled about 100 miles up the Lake Erie shoreline, where Tuesday morning he broke into a random home in an upscale Erie, Pennsylvania neighborhood. He confined Shakir in the home’s basement, and the violent felon severely beat the woman homeowner with a tire iron and slashed her with a box cutter. Her husband returned shortly afterward and also fell under the fists of the thug. His cries for help were heard by two brave samaritans, who ran toward the desperate situation. Fortunately, at least one of the neighbors carried a gun. During the altercation, Johnson was shot twice, in shoulder and the leg. The powerfully-built Johnson broke free and ran down a ravine where the partially lame man was finally captured. He was hospitalized and booked for attempted homicide, with many other charges pending. Shakir was also hospitalized, but released later. The female homeowner is still in critical condition with severe, life-threatening blunt force trauma to the head. Her husband was treated and released. It is not known if the good samaritans were injured.   

In a round of mutual governmental butt-patting, the FBI, US Marshals, several police agencies, the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification, CECOMS, and the Ohio turnpike toll booth workers all held press conferences to congratulate themselves and each other for almost ending the crime spree. The pivotal role of the courageous neighbors was largely ignored by the agencies and the establishment media. We suspect it was the critical, correct use of a civilian firearm that caused the media to turn a blind, progressive eye.


Or…. could it be….Shannon?   Or her puppeteer, Bloombie?  

Rob- time is critical.  You’re not equipped to react if you don’t have a firearm on your body.

John – It is good that it happened in PA and not just a bit more up the Lake Erie shoreline in New York where a carry permit would have been harder to obtain.

Absolutely true!

Paul –

Bob

 

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy!

And finally, here’s another in our fan-favorite Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys series.

Ol’ John Adams started shooting relatively late in life. In fact, he waited until he was 61 before pulling his first trigger. His first target — was an armed criminal.

It was just another slow night at Adams’ Lexington, Tennessee liquor store. That is, until two armed masked men walked in and punched him in the nose. The duo’s’ opening gambit was the typical “I’m gonna rob you, I’m gonna rob you.” “Yeah, right,” thought the jaded old dude. Then — he got slugged in the face. And THAT torqued him off; “I can hurt you if you do crazy stuff to me,” the grizzled Adams said. “I can’t deal with you hitting my mouth.”

 

He did deal with the life-threatening situation by grabbing a hidden pistol and whistling a slug in the general direction of the thug. “I’m 61, and this is the first time that I’ve ever shot a gun,” admitted Adams. “No wonder I shot the wall, but I really meant to hit him.” <unquote> He really meant to hit him a second time when the grumpy old man chased the pair out onto the street and fired once more, effectively doubling his firearms experience. The light-skinned criminals escaped the rampaging old guy in an older-model Camaro. Still frothing, Adams said, “He hit me like I was a piece of crap.” However, Adams’ two shots likely stopped the quote from being any worse; as in; “He killed the <bleep> out of me.”    

 

While we certainly applaud this geezer-riffic self-defense use of a gun; waiting until an armed confrontation before taking your first shot ever is DEFINITELY not recommended. Training and practice would certainly have helped even the odds when this old guy got torqued-off.  

 

Paul – I am glad that the good guy is okay, however 2 things. #1 get some training! #2 when the bad guys are running away it is time to stop shooting.

John – No one was getting his Pappy van Winkle bourbon!

Funny, CF

 

Rob- Having a gun does not armed for self-defense anymore than owning an instrument makes me a musician.  You must take instruction, train and practice.  It is easy.

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Voicemail —-

 

Gary – http://www.tarnhelm.com/magna-trigger/gun/safety/magna1.html

Rob – I think you’re trying to solve a training problem with hardware.  If you can’t hold, operate or aim a gun then firearms might not be for you.  There are 22 magnum semi-auto that I hope you’ll consider.

Rachel: make your decision based on your experience, not merely research. If someone recommends a revolver because he doesn’t think you can operate a semi-auto, test that out yourself.

 

Listener Text message

 

Hello all. I just wanted to take a minute and thank you all for the great job you do on the podcast. Have been listening since before you changed the name. Paul, if you ever get out to Rancho Cucamonga in Southern California at the T/A truck stop, I’d love to take you to dinner I am only a couple miles north of there. Thank you for putting out the gun policy coalitions interface on what’s happening in California. Susan, sorry I missed your birthday. I am blind sheepdog on Facebook and have a great time listening to see what you guys are doing. Good luck with mag 40 it seems like a lot of fun wish we could get him out here, but it’s kind of lost cause I think

 

Continuing, Paul I know you hate the term sheepdog. However, I need to be the sheepdog for my family even though I lost my eyesight 10 years ago. With the background as a gunsmith for 30 some odd years and a believer in preparation. It is I who am spearheading the keeping of food and water for the family and protection equipment and am also an extra class ham radio operator. We lost Charlie foxtrot a while back to the Midwest but we have to hold around here too. All the best to all of you. The name is John.

 

Paul – Mas will be in Sacramento November 30 through December 3rd with a MAG 40. I put a LINK in the show notes.

Gary –

For Gary – http://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Radio-Black/dp/B007H4VT7A/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1461291630&sr=1-1&keywords=baofeng

 

Listener email

 

Hello gang,

I really enjoy your show and listen backwards (first the current show, then
the last show I haven’t already heard – I’m now on show 345 from August
30th) to make sure I’m current and am catching up on older shows too.

My purpose for writing is this. I’m looking for a shot timer that would be
able to “hear” the shots of an Airsoft (BB pellet) gun. I use one, along
with paper targets, in my garage, to practice my draw, aim and trigger
control. I’ve tried using a Pocket Pro II shot timer but it doesn’t catch my
shots consistently. I have an Apple iPhone App (Sorry about that Paul),
called “Free Shot Timer” that has sensitivity adjustment, but it, too
doesn’t register my shots consistently. Has anyone heard of a product or App
that would be able to pick up the sounds from this practice gun?

Many thanks,

Sent from my iPhone – Richard in  Kent, WA

 

Rachel- Richard, that is the perfect type of question to throw to our listeners.  Let’s see if someone in the listening audience has an answer for Kent.  What shot timer can hear an airsoft gun?

Rob- can you use a remote microphone to catch the airsoft sound?

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote an article about California’s new gun control legislation.  California allowed local pre-emption so cities and counties could pass their own gun laws.  As you might expect, these gun control areas are heavily socialist.  And, they are experiencing a crime wave.  More local regulation, more local crime.  One of the reasons the state politicians now spread these failed local policies across the state is to hide their failure at a local level.  The article is called Spreading Failure for Profit- the politics of California gun control.  My articles are at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland and at my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I did a blog post today suggesting that the Palestinian Authority should be given state representative status to UNSCAR. The  UN Trust Facility Supporting Cooperation on Arms Regulation is the United Nations agency in charge of managing the Arms Trade Treaty which impacts small arms and ammo with stuff like reloaders being licensed. If given state representative status, then the United States, by law, cannot support their funding. Given Obama how loves left-wing, terrorist supporting Arabs, I might just get my wish.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Rob and Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear Charlie on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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