Episode 401 – David Yamane

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/401.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment 

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest David Yamane: 

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest David Yamane Part 2

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

 

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday, February 15th, 2017. I’m Paul Lathrop

John : I’m John Richardson and on tonight’s show we will talk with David Yamane about guns and religion.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll talk about constitutional carry coming to New Hampshire.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a CCW holder that brought a gun to a knife fight .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 401 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob

John – I hope to get out this week and shoot the Ruger Redhawk along with a few other guns. The ammo has arrived for it – I got Fiocchi 200 grain .44 Special and .44 Magnum. It’s not cheap! As to what else I did this week in guns, let’s just say I kicked over a hornet’s nest. More on that in the blog segment.

 

Rachel – MAG-20 last weekend, Texas G.O.L.D. coming up March 2…..EVERYBODY BE THERE!!!!  We’re collaborating with the Republican Party of Texas on the lobby day they have chosen to promote the RPT priorities. We’re focusing on constitutional carry – we’ll split into teams and visit every legislator’s office. SIGN UP RIGHT NOW!!!! (and you’ll get a free t-shirt) – seriously don’t wait because I have to order them.

 

Texas GOLD info: http://www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com/txgold/

Sign up: https://goo.gl/forms/vSkSh1WrSdKK0hoz2

 

And also shoutout to our listener Jared who was doing 4-H stuff at the bay next to me last weekend and recognized my voice from the podcast and came over to say hi!

 

Gary

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

(June 24, 25th 2017.  Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced.  9am -5pm both days. Richmond, IL)

(August 10-13, 2017. MAG-40. Sioux Falls, SD)

(August 26 & 27, 2017. Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)

 

Break

2- News 1

The Constitutional Carry train is pulling into New Hampshire  

New Hampshire’s state legislature passed SB12 on February 9.  Governor Sununu has indicated that he will sign the measure.  Currently New Hampshire residents are allowed to open carry without a permit.  This law will provide the same status for concealed carry.  When passed, this will bring the total number of Constitutional Carry states to 13.  That is 26% of the country!

 

New Hampshire will then catch up with its New England neighbors:  Vermont and Maine.  Much harder battles lie ahead for the neighbors to the south.

 

Healey, again?

Just south of New Hampshire lies Massachusetts.  The Attorney General’s office of Massachusetts recently announced a new government program!  Yes, AG Maura Healey believes it is the role big government to snoop into the lives of private individuals.  This is the same Maura Healey who unilaterally reinterpreted the State’s assault weapons ban.

 

Ms. Healey worked with the Massachusetts Medical Society to, “develop informative brochures and a voluntary online training program…”  The stated goal is to make resources available for doctors, “in their efforts to prevent gun-related accidents, self-harm, and violence.”  This program will be offered to where health care providers can actually receive continuing education credit.  The program is supported by the State’s police chiefs, too.

 

This all sounds good, right?  Who could be against safety?  Ask yourself a few questions.  

 

  • If safety was the real concern, why not talk about traffic safety or storage of toxic chemicals?
  • Does a voluntary training program provide sufficient guidance?
  • Is a medical examination room really the place to talk about such things?
  • Is firearm safety really a subject you want your doctor to study with their continuing education credits?

 

Does it seem outside the realm of possibilities that this could lead to doctors reporting their findings to the government?

Paul –

Connecticut getting in on the action

Just south of Massachusetts lies Connecticut.  The State’s governor, Dannel Malloy – Democrat, has been busy working on fiscal budgets.  What better way to increase revenue than to raise the fees charged to pistol permit holders?  

 

Under his proposal, a five-year renewal will increase from $70 to $300!  First-time permits will increase from $140 to $370.  Do you really believe this is about raising revenue for the State?  The more likely scenario is that Mr. Malloy would like to price people out of their ability to legally keep and bear arms.  The governor claims the state is bringing fees in line with surrounding states.  Malloy said, “Given the amount of work that has to be done with respect to licensure we probably were not, in fact, we weren’t covering our costs.”  There is one easy way to solve the problem, Gov. Malloy:  follow the example set by Vermont, Maine and New Hampshire.  There is no cost when you do not issue permits in the first place!

 

Scott Wilson is the president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League.  He stated,  “It’s no secret that Gov. Malloy really does not care about gun rights or Second Amendment rights or gun owners in the state of Connecticut.”  Members of the CCDL began pushing back on this increase by attending the budget hearing for the Public Safety division.  Many CCDL members are concerned that they are being priced out of their rights.

 

The ability to tax is the ability to destroy.  

Paul -The poorest will be those that suffer most.

John –

Gun Quotes– Rob- One of my readers left us this.  Frank in Florida said, “Evil people will do evil things; crazy people will do crazy things; stupid people will do stupid things. Any solution to this problem cannot involve making it impossible for good people to do good things.”

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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3- Interview 1

Professor David Yamane

 

Professor David Yamane is a sociologist at Wake Forest University, home of the Demon Deacons, and has conducted research on both organized religion and the gun culture. He blogs at the always informative Gun Culture 2.0. David has just published a paper that investigates the connections between organized religion, religiosity, and personal handgun ownership. David was previously on the Polite Society Podcast in Episode 322 where he talked about his class on the Sociology of Guns.

 

Before we get into the results of your research, what first influenced you to research the relationship between religion and gun ownership?

 

Could you tell us the results of this study? Why do you think church attendance or participation is so critical here?

 

You depend upon survey data for the measures of gun ownership. With regard to the General Social Survey, do you think respondents under-report aka lie about gun ownership?

 

Most of the sources you cite in your paper are 8-10 years old or older. In your opinion, has sociology kept up with the changes in the gun culture?

 

  1. D. Vance’s Hillbilly Elegy has brought some attention to what I call Appalachian-Americans. I wonder if there is any way to study them as a separate subset from that of the South as they seem to have an even stronger culture of violence?

 

Are there any policy implication from this research?

 

4- Interview 2

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Take That From a Take Out

Once burned – twice prepared. After being robbed outside his Houston restaurant, the owner of Jeff’s Kitchen started carrying a gun. That decision served him well when he was jumped by two armed men late one Saturday night. When the men appeared from behind a garbage bin and moved to rob him, the owner drew his gun and shot.  

One man was hit in the throat and chest, the other fled the scene of the crime. The wounded man later died at a local hospital. The restaurateur was not injured. Police believe he will not be charged with any crime.

 

Paul –

CCW Carrier Brings a Gun to a Knife Fight

A CCW carrier intervened in a potentially deadly weekend fight, when two men decided that a Topeka, Kansas Wal-Mart was the place to settle their differences. Their fight was interrupted by a legally armed citizen. According to police, “He intervened, drew his firearm, and held the people to the ground basically at gun-point.”

One man was taken to the hospital for treatment of non-life threatening stab wounds. The other brawler and the armed citizen were taken to jail for questioning. The fighters have been charged with aggravated battery; the legally armed citizen was released without charges.  

While we applaud the public spirit of the citizen, we must question if he did the correct thing. Intervening in a situation where one is not directly involved is fraught with dangers, which our commentators know better than most.  Guys?   

 

Paul – we are not police however police do not carry knives for attack generally so I might have been tempted to intervene.

Rachel- when intervening in 3rd-party situation have to know the circumstances, and make the decision you know you can live with

 

Vet 2 – Thugs 0

A Vietnam vet was tested once again when two young thugs threatened him and a friend. His foes once again found that tempered steel cuts best.

 

A 70-year-old ‘Nam vet from Saint Louis was dropping off his lady-friend across the river in Venice, Illinois one fine morning (you dawg, you.) The two were saying their goodbyes when a couple of young men drove up to the car asking for directions. Predictably in that East St Louis area neighborhood, one of the men pulled a gun and demanded money. The vet pulled his own legally possessed concealed carry weapon and fired.

Police arrived to investigate the all too common call of gunshots and found Billy Dickerson, 19, dead from a head wound, and Perry Richardson, 23, suffering from bullets in his chest and arm. Richardson, no relation to our John Richardson (supposedly), was hospitalized and charged with first degree murder. Under Illinois law anyone perpetrating a felony is legally accountable for a death during the felony. Police sources disclosed Richardson and Dickerson are suspects in more than 20 armed robberies in Illinois and Missouri; one robbery occurred just an hour before the fatal encounter.

The vet and his friend were uninjured. Illinois State Attorney Tom Gibbons said that the veteran’s actions were justified based on the circumstance of the robbery and the history of the repeat offenders. “This is an example of a law-abiding citizen protecting himself, exercising his right to self-defense. This incident yesterday morning is the exact situation where the necessity for this right becomes crystal clear.”

Are you listening Chicagoland?  

 

Paul –

Drug Thief Foiled by Pharmacist With a Gun
  Finally, from John Richardson’s neck-of-the woods: An armed, masked suspect walked into the Carolina Mountain Pharmacy and demanded narcotics. “[The suspect] asked us to keep our hands where you can see them and to not handle our phones,” the pharmacist related. “And then he sort of went off on a list of what he wanted me to give him.”

 

Instead of the drugs, the suspect got a gun — pointed at him. Jared Mattson, the pharmacist/ owner, grabbed his own .40 S&W pistol, and when he racked his gun (!), the would-be thief ran off.  Mattson said he was mad at the robber, but glad the suspect chose to run. “It certainly could’ve turned out worse. You could be interviewing my wife about her dead husband just as easy.”  As of now, the suspect has not been identified.

We can hear the commentators chomping at the bit — anything you want to discuss here?  

 

Paul – NO Israeli carry!

John – It also shows the difference between a chain pharmacy and a independent pharmacy.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

1 Voice mail

 

1 text from Clayton

 

I carry a primary, two spare mags, and a backup .380 in the pocket. Defensive knife is also mandatory to me. Pocket emergency med kit too!

-Clayton

Paul – About damn time you check back in with us! 😉

Feb 10, 3:19 PMvia Google Voice

Sorry! I’ve been busy with my new girlfriend who loves shooting. 😉

Check out our His & Her’s shooting target on FB. You’re allowed to mention that on air. Ha!

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email #1 from Todd in San Diego

 

All,

 

I’ve heard several industry pundits talking about a resurgence in revolvers. I’ve always liked revolvers from an aesthetic standpoint, but I also find myself carrying and training with them more often due to a persistent wrist injury – the revolver grip simply works better for me.

 

My understanding of the bills currently being looked at for national reciprocity would require a concealed carrier to abide by all laws of that state – which might include magazine limitations, ammunition type restrictions, etc. Incidentally, it will be interesting to see if handguns not on CA’s safe gun roster would be allowed in state under a visiting permit. All that said, a revolver is probably going to be legal in nearly any jurisdiction, and the ability to shoot lead bullets like wadcutters may provide better options than FMJ in jurisdictions that restrict hollow-point bullets.

 

Manufacturers seem to be following this trend – like bullets that start with a 4? How about a five shot, 44 Special snubbie? Need more capacity? There are several eight shot 357’s on the market. Kimber and Colt are offering six shot snubbies.

 

I know there are limitations and trade-offs to any gun, but with national reciprocity looking good on the horizon, it might be of benefit to every concealed carrier to have at least one revolver in their stable.

 

Todd

 

San Diego

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Email #2 Michael talks backups.

 

I always have two spare magazines on me… one in an IWB holder on my support side (17 rounds) and another in my front pocket on my strong side (15 rounds).

 

Also, about 40% of the time, I  carry a backup on my ankle (G43) with a two spares; one in my support-side front pocket (along with a Streamlight ProTac 2L and pepper spray) and the other in a cargo pocket (along with a spare flashlight).  The spares for the G43 have +2 extensions on them, so they each have eight rounds.

 

Oh, and I have a small IFAK (Student of the Gun Pocket Lifesaver) and a folding knife in the other cargo pocket.

 

Needless to say,  I just avoid getting close to water.   😉

 

Michael

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David also writes in about backups

 

Dear PS,

You asked for ideas for back up guns and who carries one. A North American Arms Pug in a picket holster with an extra 5 rounds of 22 Mag fits just about anywhere. It gives an additional 10 rounds and while 22 Mag is not the best for stopping power, no one wants to be a test medium. Plus it provides a way to carry very discretely even in situations where caring is not encouraged. Say at a liberal relative’s house.🙂

Keep up the good work.

David
Central Ohio

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Chris talks carry and Trucking

 

Paul & the gang,

First off love the show, long time listener and it’s one of favorite shows I look forward to each week.  For privacy reasons, I request that you would only use my first name on air if you choose to air this email.

I drive truck for a living also, and my company has a strict no weapons policy. Because of this I can’t carry everyday. When I am home I carry a Glock 23 as a primary handgun with one spare magazine and I also carry a S&W j frame as a backup handgun. If it was possible for me legally, this would be my everyday carry as well.

I obtained my handgun carry permit at the earliest age available at 21, and have been carrying for 15+ years. I have attended some local training classes and I’m fortunate enough to be able to train on the local range at least 2-3 times each month where they allow drills drawing from holsters and from concealment cover. I budget and allot for 500 rounds each month for training. I am very excited about attending a MAG40 class, and would love to be able to attend the one in August in Sioux Falls but it being 17 hours away logistically I don’t know if that’s feasible.  I am however going to try my best to attend a MAG40 in 2017, that is my one main training goal for the year.

Thanks for the great show and for keeping my company out on the road, keep up the great work!

Thanks,
Chris

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Gary ummm stepped in it with this emailer

 

Really Gary?  You’re calling me out on-air?  Well it’s too late to be the next week as it is already recorded, so we will have to make due.  The crew were talking on how much gun you folks carry so I will start there. I am currently carrying a full size P320 9mm with a reload (so 17*2+1).  I have tried carrying a B.U.G., but haven’t gotten it to work well yet.

  I have also considered not carrying a reload in lieu of a med kit with tourniquet but I still haven’t gotten to a trauma class. O.C. spray is also on my list of things that my EDC lacks.  With limited personal real estate, I am going to try a primary, bug, medical, and O.C. spray, then if possible add back a reload so as to cover the widest array.   So there is your email folks, I suppose you want one for next week too…..

See you at the townhall,

Not Clayton.

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Mark talks Back ups and church

 

Hi all,

I listened to episode 399 today and would agree with the guy who said your podcast is his number one.  I look forward to each episode, especially when the whole gang is there.  I like the fact that you have a reasonable discussion, regardless of the topic, even when there are differing views.  Keep up the good work!

Paul had asked for feedback regarding spare ammo and backup guns.  In NY state, we can have 10 in the magazine, plus one in the chamber. I carry a Ruger SR40 with two spare magazines.  I do POGO with the exception of work & restricted areas.  As for a backup gun,  I haven’t yet, but have been thinking about it.  The BUG will be my Ruger LCR with 38+P in an ankle holster or pocket holster in a motorcycle vest when I’m riding.

Also, you read an email about the guy leaving his church, P-USA due to their anti gun stance.  Baptist churches tend to be more pro gun.  I’m working with one of the elders at my church to develop a security team and want to look into getting team tactics training.  We already have a few that conceal carry, but I feel we should have some training and  plan for how to respond should the need arise.

Thanks again for all you do.

Mark

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And Matt Martin of Geeks, Gadgets and guns writes in to talk optics.

 

When it comes to red dot optics for a rifle there are many good options for under $250 as mentioned on the episode Burris and vortex make good optics in that price point. When it comes to slide mounted red dots expect to spend $400-600 while there are some good options around $250-300 they are designed for rifle use not handgun and while they work and hold zero they will be electronic optics with an automatic shut off after a few hours. At this time the main 3 I would suggest considering run in the $400-600 window and will remain always on precisely what is needed for defensive use. The main 3 that meet that requirement at this time is the luapold delta point, shield rms, or a variant of the trijicon RMR. The shield rms is quite new so reliability is still being proven but the signs are good.


Matthew

 

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A different Matt writes in…

 

So, what were the first episodes that Rachel appeared in?  I would like to hear what she was saying back then.

 

— Matt

 

EPISODE 207 as guest host!

 

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Charles wants to talk training and competition

 

Polite Society Podcast,

 

Thank you for producing a high quality and enjoyable podcast.  Y’all provide a great service to the defense and firearms community, as well as the general public.  

I strongly encourage those that recommend competitions as a method of training/testing to participate in an organized force-on-force training utilizing marking rounds such as Simunitions/UTM/etc.  Every time the DGU segment comes on, think of how well a competition would have prepared the potential victim.  Then consider how much better prepared that person would be if they had gotten to work through a wide range of situations, with stress levels close to that of a critical encounter (not just a slight rise in heart rate because of a timer), and needing to work through the full process of recognizing the threat, responding to the threat, and practicing the follow through, such as simulating the call to police, providing trauma care, and maintaining situational awareness.  This type of training is second to none, and you don’t need to be military or law enforcement.  Lt. Col. Dave Grossman does a much better job at describing all of the benefits of this training than I ever could. Please find an opportunity to take a force-on-force class, and I promise the results will be exponentially more beneficial than training for shooting sports.

-Charles, East Texas

 

Rachel – the more you have trained in a specific scenario or set of skills, the more automatic that response becomes and the more your brain can focus on making decisions for this specific situation

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And our own Craig wanted to chime in about red dots.

 

Hello Friends,

 

This is in response to JP’s inquiry regarding red dots on pistols in episode 400.  If the setup he or she is working on is for a defensive pistol, there is another important consideration.  

 

One of the reasons I decided on the Trijicon RMR was the profile of the sight.  I would have loved to run the Vortex Venom due to the lower cost and their good reputation.  However, the base of the unit is so tall that it prohibits co-witnessing even suppressor-height sights.  After trolling forums, YouTube and other internet fodder, it appeared that only the Trijicon and the Leupold were short enough to accommodate co-witnessing.

 

If the pistol is not to be used for defensive purposes, knock yourself out.  But, Murphy’s Law is clear that the moment your red dot decides to take a nap will be the time you need it the most.  Personally, if I could not co-witness I would leave the red dot off of the pistol.

 

One other thing to consider is the size of the dot.  There is no way I could shoot 1 MOA (a one inch group at 100 yards) with a pistol.  It is also more difficult to acquire a small dot depending on the ambient lighting.  See if the gun shop has different models that you can view.

 

Stay dangerous!

Craig

Houston

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John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

John – As I alluded to in the introduction, I kicked over a hornet’s nest and you know what, I’d do it all over again. Microtech Knives is a well-known knife maker of high end and high priced knives. They have a location near where I live. On Sunday I drove over to where it is located and noticed a sign at the front door posting against concealed carry on their premises. It both galls and saddens me that a knife company would do that given they should be on the same side. I put up a post with a picture of their front door and the sign asking is“ it too much to expect a knife company to recognize gun rights in the same manner we in the gun culture recognize knife rights?” That got picked up by many on Facebook including photographer Oleg Volk and it was off to the races. Let’s just say I got a quick response from the company which included the sign coming down. With over 10,000 pageviews, you could say it went viral.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Dave Yamane for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Gary: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 400 – 5 Years and Counting!

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/400.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Massad Ayoob (several segments, if you would like to follow in order click from top to bottom)

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to episode 400 of the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday, February 1st, 2017 I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin about self-defense in the age of travel.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about another failed attempt by Bloomberg to impose background checks.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’re doing our 400th episode live on the Lock and Load Radio Show with Bill Frady.

Back Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s, a concealed carrier had to act when a robber put a gun in his girlfriend’s face… so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 400 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob-  Rain, heat, cold.. Carried every day, in the office and in the field.  I really like my Alien Gear OWB holster.  That might change.  I bought larger pants so I can carry IWB comfortably.

 

John – I didn’t think I’ve have much gun news this week especially since most of it was spent with work and a dental appointment to get a crown for one of my teeth. Was I ever wrong. My dentist and I always chat about guns now that I know he is a gunny. We share a love for revolvers. Out of the blue he says, “I have a Ruger Redhawk in .44 Magnum. Would you like to try it out?” I’m thinking he means to meet him at the range sometime. He leaves the room and then comes back with the revolver. He set it on the counter and it was then understood it was going home with me for a try-out until my permanent crown arrives in a month.  I always thought I had a good dentist. Now I think I have the world’s best dentist!

 

Rob- That is precisely the legal activity that mandatory background checks make illegal.

 

Rachel – run n gun in Pawnee, OK, i can’t remember what else i did, look at my facebook page because it knows.  Videos here- https://www.facebook.com/rachel.malone.TX

Gary

Paul/Susan-

Rob- Flat on your back.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Rachel- MAG20 Range in Austin Feb 11 and 12!

(June 24, 25th 2017.  Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced.  9am -5pm both days. Richmond, IL)

(August 10-13, 2017. MAG-40. Sioux Falls, SD)

(August 26 & 27, 2017. Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)

 

Break

 

7.2000 to 7.2830

 

Neil Gorsuch-

HR38- This reciprocity bill would be a huge step forward for American gun owners, particularly those who travel.  We recognize marriage licenses, so it would be step forward to recognize firearms licenses as well.

 

2- News 1- Another Failed Attempt to Impose Universal Background Checks

Rob- In November, the voters in Nevada drank the Bloomberg Kool-Aid by passing a Universal Background check scheme.  The problem is that the ballot measure contained language making it unenforceable under existing state law.

 

The Demanding Mommies also set their sights on Missoula, Montana to carry out their nefarious plans.  Councilman Bryan von Lossberg filed a universal background check ordinance in 2015 at the behest of the anti-rights group.  He said, “The point was to save lives.”  The ordinance was passed in 2016 despite thousands of emails sent to the Mayor and City Council from pro-rights individuals.

 

Fortunately, Austin Knudsen, the Speaker of the Montana House, stepped in.  He sought an opinion from the state’s Attorney General, Tim Fox, regarding this ordinance.  It was basically a legal slam dunk since Montana’s preemption statute prohibits such regulation at the local level.  Perhaps Mr. von Lossberg should have listened a year ago when attorney general Fox warned that the ordinance, “likely violates our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.”

 

Another twist to this story centers around alleged legal advice provided to the City Council.  The Montana Shooting Sports Association filed a complaint with the Montana Office of Disciplinary Counsel.  They claim that an attorney in New York City provided legal advice on this matter without being licensed to practice in the state.  Perhaps this attorney will now seek national reciprocity of law licenses!

 

Gary-

Rob- So far the Bloomberg’s been able to buy legislation half the time.  To him it is only money.

Paul – We talked with Sean Maloney last episode and he said that New Mexico was going through this as well

John – Missoula is considered a blue island in a generally red state. Hillary carried it. In the blog segment I have more on fighting back.

 

The 4th Amendment in the 4th Circuit

John – A recent en banc ruling by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals appears to have implications applicable to both the Fourth and Second Amendments.  The facts of the case surround a traffic stop that took place in West Virginia.  The defendant in the case, Shaquille Robinson, was seen loading a pistol in the parking lot of a convenience store and putting the firearm in his pocket.  This parking lot is a well known hotbed of drug trafficking.  He then entered a car as a passenger.  An anonymous citizen tipped the police about this suspicious activity.  Mr. Robinson has a felony record.

 

The police stopped the car because of a seatbelt violation.  With knowledge that the passenger may be armed, the officer frisked him.  Mr. Robinson argued in the appeal that the officer violated his Fourth Amendment rights by searching him because it was possible that he may have been legally armed.  The ruling concluded by stating that Mr. Robinson’s Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures did not apply.  The police stated that they recognized Mr. Robinson as being a convicted felon and that his responses to their inquiries regarding his identity were vague.  Also, when asked, he did not clearly answer as to whether he was armed.

 

Attorney Andrew Branca penned a Legal Insurrection article regarding this decision.  He believes we should not be too worried about its ramifications.  It is of little doubt that the set of facts in this case are not representative of the vast majority of responsible gun owners.  As Mr. Branca states, “bad cases make bad law.”  Although he does not like the finding in this case, Branca does provide some assurances that this is not the end of the Fourth Amendment for concealed carriers.    

 

The Constitution protects citizens from unreasonable searches and seizures.  Most people would be suspicious of an individual handling a firearm in a convenience store parking lot known for drug activity.  A reasonable person being asked whether they were armed would provide the police with a definitive answer.  Anyone with a felony record would know that they were a prohibited person.  

 

It is of little doubt that an individual possessing a firearm is a “substantially greater prospective threat to the officer.”  Therefore, Branca’s view is that an officer securing your firearm during a stop and returning it to you after the transaction is completed is not an outrageous burden to bear.  In other words, this is not ideal, but it could be much worse.  It is not an overt assault on the Second Amendment.

 

Chris Eger’s article on guns.com points out that this decision creates a split with a Sixth Circuit decision.  In that case police went too far while searching an individual who was legally open carrying.  This disparity makes Supreme Court review a possibility.  Given the likely makeup of the Court in the near future, this may be just one on the list of cases whereby rights are reclaimed from an overbearing government.

 

Paul- this isn’t as big of a deal as it may seem.

Gary-

John –

Gun Quotes-Rachel ? i want it

An ignorant mind is precisely not a spotless, empty vessel, but one that’s filled with the clutter of irrelevant or misleading life experiences, theories, facts, intuitions, strategies, algorithms, heuristics, metaphors, and hunches that regrettably have the look and feel of useful and accurate knowledge. Professor David Dunning

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin.

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3- Interview 1- 7:07  Massad Ayoob

6.0600 to 6.1530

Two minutes–  We’ve been involved in instruction, training, practice, and competition.  Gail and Massad, given the students you’ve seen, which would be the best place to spend our next hour?

 

6.2000 to 6.2830

Rachel- What advice do you have for someone teaching their first MAG 20.

RSO’s

Not just what we teach, but why we teach it. Adult education – not military or police (not “because it’s a doctrine”. Tell them why we teach it this way. We’re aware of other techniques – here are their strengths and weaknesses. Our techniques: here are their strengths and weaknesses. Students’ job to adapt techniques to work with their body, hand shape, firearm, and needs. Given their physical skill set and everything they bring, we might need to suggest a different gun, but never become dogmatic about our way. Goal: adapt their needs and tools to their particular body shape and size, habituation (?) physical abilities. Keep mind open and remember as an instructor, you’re not an oracle. You’re a guide. Give them directions to get to the goal the best way for them and their equipment.

 

Competition helps us know, “Can I run this gun under pressure?”

Shooting a match is not a gunfight. Reverse corollary: a gunfight absolutely is a shooting match. The person with the most time and experience running a gun under pressure will most likely win.

 

Gary- Is there a benefit to competition above just firearms handling and familiarization?

Competition is not training.. But you ARE testing your skills, both against expert and the person next door.  You get to experience some pressure.  That helps your encounters on the street, because a gunfight is a shooting match.

 

6.3300 to 6.4230

John – to continue on about the pressure of competition and gunfights, we hope never to be in a gun fight. That said, should we seek out instructors who actually have been in a gun fight? Is there a benefit to that?

 

Useful but not the core thing. Mas has never been in a gun fight. Jim Cirillo and Charles Askins. Here’s what I learned in my gun fights but here is what others have learned in their’s. They say, “My experience has validated that.” Instructors who have been in gun fights do bring something to the table.

 

Professionals learned from every experience they could find.  We stand to benefit from hundreds of years and thousand and thousands of encounters.  No one person we ever gain enough experience compared to all of our experience.  Good instructors often describe what they learned from others, and say that their personal experience verified what they learned on their own.

 

Question for Gail, In competition in general when men compete there is a lot of chest thumping and  “I am God’s gift to XYZ” have you seen something different in women’s competition?

 

Gail Pepin- Women against other women are supportive.  Women against men, men don’t like to lose.  Gail came in high-female in both IDPA matches in Nevada and Florida.

 

6.4700 to 6.5720 You can find where Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin will be at the Massad Ayoob Group website, http://massadayoobgroup.com/.

http://massadayoobgroup.com/schedule/

Mass and Gail will compete at The Pin Match in Michigan, June 9 through 16.  Come see them.

7.0600 to 7.1530

Question for either, having been around competition for a while are there trends in competition that you have seen develop over time?

 

Is there anything from competition that can be brought into our practice sessions that would be beneficial?

 

Paul-  I have done a LOT of dry fire practice, a good amount of live fire practice and a good amount of training, what should I look for when I go to my first competitive match?

 

USPSA – Run and gun.  You have to solve the problems on their own.

IDPA – concealed carry, draw from concealment, use cover

Glock shooting sports- You shoot the same match each time.  You are told how many cartridges you may load at each stage. Shoot from low ready.

 

Advice: Know the rules of the match before you go in. Go with the mindset of task instead of goal (not just “how will I finish”).  Focus on basics. Front sight, smooth roll on the trigger. Firm grip and strong stance are things you will have built prior to this skill test element. Above all, safety.

 

Each is a piece of the puzzle and gets you used to running your equipment effectively

Competitors, when in a gunfight, tend to do very well since they can reflexively, without thought, get the gun out and on target. That frees them to do the thinking required to decide if/how/when to shoot in that specific situation.

Focus on the task.  Ignore the goal (how will I place).  Focus on the basics as you test your skills.  Don’t compromise safety.  You are responsible for every shot.  No lapses allowed.

 

I’ve seen people make mistakes and will be penalized during competition.  We seldom see safety violations.  They happen, like dropping a firearm, but safety is respected.

 

Responsibility and power need to always be at an exact equal balance.

Responsibility without power is futile.

Power without responsibility becomes tyranny.

 

7.3300 to 7.4230

7.4700 to 7.5720

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Rachel- Trespasser Shot Outside Detroit Home

A Detroit area homeowner investigated noises from his detached garage. Once outside his home, he was confronted by a man claiming to have a weapon. Faced with that credible threat to his life, he pulled his own pistol and shot the intruder. The intruder died from the single gunshot wound to the back.

Police arrested the man pending completion of the investigation. The homeowner’s wife’s statements were the basis for the above description. The homeowner himself declined to talk to police on the advice of his attorney. Late today, the police announced they will not be charging the man.    

 

There’s a lot to be said about this DGU.

Guys?

 

Thoughts: 1) Wise to go outside the home to investigate?  2) Better to call the cops?  3) It is Detroit – and help is only hours – or days – away.  4) Is anything in the garage worth the homeowner’s life?  5) Better to bunker-down and wait the hours for the cops?  6) Does it matter if the sumdood was inside the fence – or outside it?  7) Seems he let his attorney do the talking for him. 8) Likely to be a civil case even though there was no criminal case.

 

John – It’s outside – leave it to the cops!

Paul – It’s RARELY a good idea to shoot

Rob- Things happen fast.  Things, and people, can turn sideways very quickly.  Plan for it.

Gary-

 

Detroit Restaurant Patron Serves Up Hot, Steaming Lead

Paul- It seems things are getting dangerous for Detroit’s thugs. An armed robber was shot by his intended victim early one night in Detroit’s mean west side. Dennis and his girlfriend, Latanya, were at E&S Carry Out Shrimp Shack when the robber walked up and demanded money. The couple and another customer immediately complied with the demands. However, when the thug threatened Latanya, Dennis acted. “It wasn’t a plan. It was just instinct. He had the gun in my girl’s face.”

 

Dennis continued, “When I saw he had the gun in her face, and I threw my wallet down and keys, he turned to look and get the money, that’s when I lit him up.” His shot hit the robber in the stomach. He then kicked the wounded thug’s gun away.  “I feel for him. I’m hurting that I had to do that, but he left me no choice.” Dennis , perhaps unwisely, further showed his compassion by giving aid to the crumpled robber.  

 

Dennis is a licensed CCW carrier. Police say that this incident is likely to be lawful self defense.   

 

Rob- The victim spoke to the media and police. Detroit prosecutors prosecuted people just like Denis. Have a plan of what to do and what to say.

Paul-

Gary-

John- http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/should-i-provide-first-aid-to-the-attacker-i-just-shot

Rachel-

Rob-

Bill-

 

7:57:20

Gary – Delivering a Lead Pizza

A southwest Philly pizza delivery man is alive today, largely because he carried a gun. Keyveat Fredericks, 36, was delivering for Chester Pizza. He got out of his car with an armload of pizzas at what turned out to be an abandoned house. The driver was immediately ambushed by a group of males. “When I turned, the gun was in my face. He came out of nowhere,” Fredericks said. The thug demanded money and pizzas.  

 

In Fredericks’ own words; “My kids. I have eight children. When I saw that gun, I said, ‘This can’t be it.’ I smacked his gun. Ran around my vehicle. I had dropped the pizzas. I heard one shot. I felt it hit me. I can tell you I felt it go through my arm. I heard it literally hit my gun that was on my side on my holster and I felt it go inside of me.”

 

The injured delivery man crouched behind his car and drew his concealed firearm.  His target was the thug who tried to kill him for just a few dollars and some food. The thug likely to try to complete what he started. “I fired once at him and he took off down the block. If it wasn’t for the gun on my hip, it would have been a lot more damage,” stated Fredericks. The rest of the robbery crew likewise made themselves scarce. Fredericks drove himself to the hospital, thinking of his family the entire time.

 

Police said Fredericks is a legal concealed carrier. They have made no arrests in the assault.  “All I was trying to do was provide for my children. It’s a job, but I don’t think I can ever do it again.” However, Fredericks is alive, possibly – probably – because he had the foresight to get trained, licensed, equipped, and finally, actually carry his weapon. He armed himself in order to protect himself and his family.

 

Paul – just because you have been hit doesn’t mean that you are out of the fight.

Rob- Being a delivery driver is one of the most dangerous occupations.  Please take care out there.

Gary –

 

Rob- Good Samaritan Tries To Stop Robbery Without a Gun

“What we have here is a robbery gone really, really bad,” according to the San Antonio, Texas police. A good Samaritan who tried to intervene is dead, another man is alive. That man was a licensed concealed carrier.

 

It started with a daylight robbery of the Kay Jewelers in the Rolling Oaks mall. In a mad-minute, a civilian attempted to stop the robbers, but was fatally gunned downed by an armed thief. Another patron, a legal concealed carrier, engaged the shooter, hitting him multiple times. The other thief fled the gunfire, thankfully removing him from the confines of the store, its customers and employees. The criminal ran from the mall, spraying bullets at shoppers as he went, hitting two.

 

Two additional mall patrons were hospitalized after complaining of chest pains or premature labor. The unidentified wounded thief was hospitalized in critical condition.

 

The running thug escaped the mall, possibly in a car driven by another accomplice. The stolen car later wrecked in downtown San Antonio, leading to the arrest of Jason Matthew Prieto, 34. Two firearms were recovered from the wreckage. Police are still searching for the third suspect. The heavily tattooed Prieto owns an extensive criminal record starting in 2001 as a 19-year-old. He’s been arrested for aggravated assault, assault, eight charges of drug possession, two charges for burglary of a vehicle, two theft charges and two charges of evading detention. Add to that impressive resume the capital murder and two counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. He might finally get the jail time a violent career criminal deserves. Police believe Prieto and his partner may also  be responsible for another recent jewelry store robbery in San Antonio.

Information is very sketchy at this time, but it seems very likely that the armed citizen may have saved lives through the use of his weapon in the midst of a chaotic robbery gone really, really bad.

 

Observation: Once a trigger is pulled, criminals tend to keep shooting.  

 

John- Intervene if lives are at stake.  Don’t risk your life for property.

 

Paul- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

John-

Text message from JP

 

Please God NO RECIPES!!!! I have to deal with it darn near every day since my wife watches the chew and food network every freaking day. I’ll send in a question or two every week if I have to. Lol

Since I’m almost 50 I’ve been seeing more and more older people with red dots on their pistols and rifles. What budget friendly red dots would you recommend for under 200 bucks? I have no plans to try long range shooting at this time. Thanks.

 

Rob- I have a reflex sight on one of my rifles.  Vortex and Burris are right at the 200 price point.

I don’t have any experience with them.

John – I have the Vortex Sparc and Surefire and a Bushnell TRS-25

Gary – http://www.dvor.com/s/73blon

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Paul- Our next email from Jerry

Dear People,

I enjoy your podcast immensely.  Thank you.  One constructive criticism I would offer is to remember that some of us are so new to the concealed carry gun world that some of your terms may be over our heads.  One I recall I believe is a five sixths twist which I assume has something to do with the markings (rifling) inside of the barrel.  I could be wrong.

But my question is regarding Russian manufactured ammo.  I have been told to stay away from it because it’s inferior.  Gun barrels blow up, etc.  Is there any truth to this?  Brands like TulAmmo and Silver Bear are mentioned.

Thank you!  And again I appreciate increasing my knowledge through listening to your podcast.

Blessings!

Jerry

 

Rob- I’ve used imported ammo, Some Russian.  Some is corrosive.  Watch that.  Don’t expect great accuracy, but most of us are making bigger mistakes than the small error introduced by our ammunition.  If you’re more accurate than imported ammo, I salute you.

Gary-

John –

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I’m been doing a lot of politics lately.  Chicago politicians blame guns for the nightly gang-murders.  I blame the Chicago politicians.  That article is call “Why Chicago is Dying, and Other Cities Aren’t”.  Earlier I wrote that “Guns Belong on Campus, and Everywhere Else”.  Those articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money?

 

John- Among the blog posts I put up since we last recorded is one that relates to our first story. Our opponents in the war for gun rights are generally the same people who push for open government when they aren’t in power. Alinsky’s 4th Rule says to make your opponent live up to their rules. Thus, whenever Mayor Bloomberg parachutes one of his minions into a city or state, we should file a freedom of information act request. They will have left a paper trail and it can be used against them just like the Montana Shooting Sports Association is doing in Missoula. It may lead to a complaint to the state bar association or it might just be bad publicity but we should always punch back twice as hard.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Massad Ayoob, Gail Pepin and Bill Frady for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob.

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 399 – Sean Maloney and Laura Carno

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Sean Maloney

4- Interview Segment 2: Laura Carno

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday January 22nd 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Sean Maloney.  Sean started Second Call Defense, and now he is running for re-election to the NRA board of directors.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Laura Carno about training first responders for Colorado Schools.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we will talk about some of the legislation that is up before congress in the new Trump administration

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and yes Virginia, there is a Second Amendment even in Chicago

…so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 399 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- You know the most important thing I did in my gun-world?  I wrote down the name and contact information of my state and federal representatives.  I also started a list of the pro-gun bills we should support and I called their local office so I’m heard.

 

I bought a new Alien Gear holster.  Reducing my firearms inventory, but shopping for more classes.  David Cole and Jenna Meek joined me for Self-Defense Gun Stories.  Tony Simon is up next.  I was on Big Gunner 81’s you-tube show.  Greg Hopkins and I were together on Dan and Cheryl Todd’s Gun Freedom Radio.  I’m still looking for help with some videos.

 

John – I have not been on the last two shows and I should explain why. My mother-in-law’s health suddenly declined a little over two weeks ago and Grace passed away on Jan. 7th. It was a quiet, peaceful, and dignified passing surrounded by her two daughters and many of her grandchildren. We buried her a week ago Thursday. Barb and I had planned to be at the SHOT Show this past week but as I wrote in a blog post life caused a change in plans. The SHOT Show will be there next year.

 

I have started a new project which I hope our listeners will help go viral. I call it 2A Selfies. It is a selfie of you holding up a list of what you want in the way of pro-gun measures from Congress and the Trump Administration. All you need is a smart phone, a Twitter account, and an Instagram account. See my post on my blog for more how-to details. President Trump likes social media so we need to play to that.

 

Rachel

Taught a few classes, gave a bunch of speeches, and read a million words (98% of the Texas gun bills filed so far).  Rally at the Capitol – speech with hecklers (see video). Next time we need LOTS more of us. I co-hosted an Open Range Day today. Lots of fun – pistol and rifles, steels, and a .50 cal for everyone to try out. I also wrote a list of a bunch of things I’m not going to do.

 

Coming up:

  • Speaking at the Wichita Falls Tea Party meeting, Feb. 2, Harley Davidson, 7pm
  • Teaching MAG-20 live fire, Feb. 11-12
  • A bunch of other stuff
  • MAG-30 in the Austin area with David Maglio, June 16-18. It’s gonna be great SO SIGN UP NOW!

 

If you’re in Texas and you don’t get my emails, sign up right now ….. www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com

 

Gary

 

Paul/Susan – Went to New Jersey again. After I got home dental surgery, that is why I sound a bit funny.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

(February 11 & 12, 2017 MAG20 in Austin, TX)

(June 24 & 25, 2017 Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. 9am-5pm both days. Richmond, IL)

(August 10-13, 2017 MAG40 in Sioux Falls, SD)

(August 26 & 27, 2017 Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)

 

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2- News 1

 

There is new legislation in Congress and the Senate.

  • House Resolution 34 would allow honest gun owners to legally carry firearms within 1000 feet of a school zone.
  • HR 38 would require national reciprocity.  That means a state would be required to recognize your out-of-state carry license including recognizing people from Constitutional Carry states.
  • Senate bill 59 and  house resolution 367 would remove suppressors from the list of prohibited items in the National Firearms Act.
  • House resolution 509 would eliminate the BATFE.

Paul – We NEED to be very active right now to push on these

John – I wish we had a companion bill in the Senate on reciprocity. I have a different attitude about BATFE.

Rob- Republicans are in control.  They are out of excuses.  They have to walk the walk, or walk the plank.

 

There is a Second Ammendment.. Even in Chicago

Writing for the 7th circuit court, Judge Diane Sykes struck down Chicago’s zoning requirements for shooting ranges and struck down Chicago’s prohibition on minors entering shooting ranges.  The Second Amendment Foundation brought the lawsuit.  You might remember that SAF sued so there was a right to carry in Illinois, then Chicago said you need training, but outlawed gun ranges in the city.

 

John- That failed, and Chicago owes SAF for their court costs.

 

Paul – The great news is that Judge Sykes is also on President Trump’s short list to fill the vacancy on the US Supreme Court.  This is really good news.  We should get a great judge on the Supreme court, and then President Trump would also nominate a young conservative to the lower court to replace Judge Sykes.

 

Rob- Here is what I’m worried about.  The court said that Chicago limited gun ranges to such an extreme degree that only 2 percent of Cook County was an eligible location for a business like a gun range.  I hope the court will decide that the proof is in the result.  I’m sure that Socialists politicians can find a way to make gun ranges unprofitable.. even if they are allowed on every street corner.  Whatever the means, I want to see the result, rather than the possibility.  There should be as many gun ranges in Chicago as there are in a comparably sized city like Houston.  If there are not, then we’re seeing the results of discrimination against gun owners.

 

John – Possibility of en banc. I heard from a person in Illinois re the suit and Judge Sykes. I can’t name him but he had an issue that might come up with Sykes.

 

State Sponsored Identity Theft

Freedom of Information Act requests are generally a good thing.  However, care should be taken when the government entity responds to them.  In October of last year, the state of California responded to such a request from a reporter with Southern California Public Radio.  The subject was Firearms Safety Certifications.  

 

California “accidentally” provided sensitive information in their response.  The “dates of birth, driver’s license numbers and California identification numbers” for 3,424 firearms instructors are no longer confidential.  

 

At least the State was kind enough to inform these instructors that their personal information had been compromised.  Does it matter that it took over two months for the notifications to be made?  The Attorney General, Kamala Harris, recommended that these people place fraud alerts on their accounts, “since driver’s license numbers are appealing to identity thieves.”  

 

Jennifer Baker of the NRA-ILA said this, “is just another example of The California Department of Justice’s disregard for the rights of gun owners.”  Do you believe the personal information of Hollywood elites would be treated with such carelessness?

 

John – Kamala Harris is now Senator Harris. Her successor is just as anti-gun.

 

Another conservative state is looking at Constitutional carry.  Alabama State Senator Gerald Allen filed a bill so Alabamians could lawfully carry guns without a permit.   Constitutional carry is slowly arriving at more and more states.  We have not seen the companion bill in the Alabama House.

 

Gary- Rachel, you better hurry, or Alabama will get there first.

 

Gun Quotes– When only cops have guns, it’s called a “police state”.

— Claire Wolfe, “101 Things To Do Until The Revolution”

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Sean Maloney and Laura Carno

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4- Interview 2

?Some talking points for Sean Maloney-

http://www.maloneyfornra.com/

  • Second Call Defense and what it does – a recent example to add color to your regular DGU segments
  • Sean will be teaching “Lethal Force and the Law” seminars at the Great American Outdoor Show February 4-12.
  • Why he ran for NRA board in the first place, and why running for re-election.
  • What makes Sean different than other candidates.
  • How he hopes to work with the grassroots for the NRA.
  • Follow him on Facebook and Twitter @SeanMaloneyNRA Website MaloneyForNRA.com
  • FASTER as a lead in to Laura – Ohio is at almost 800 school staff members trained.

4- Interview 2

Laura Carno

Rob- Laura Carno built the websites I am Created Equal, and Laura Carno.com.   You will find her there when she isn’t on Colorado radio or NRA news.  Laura is an author, and her recent book is titled, Government Ruins Nearly Everything.

Welcome back, Laura.

 

Laura’s latest project is Coloradans for Civil Liberties.  They want to train staff to be first responders in case of a violent attack on Colorado schools.  Tell us about that.

 

Laura-  Point of information to Rob, we are in the fundraising stage now so we haven’t had any classes yet. We are ready to go once the money is there. We are fundraising now!

 

We plan to learn from our friends in Ohio and start from there, changing if something needs changing. But they have 4 years on us, so we are happy to learn.

 

Rob- I’m thinking that many of the school staff in Colorado might also be on Ski Patrol, so they already know about emergency response.  They are already concealed carriers, so they are armed when they are away from work.  How much of the emergency responder training is new, and how much do you have to re-organize or refocus?

 

Public and private schools?

Daycare through college?

Adult education and vocational training?

 

You do this training at no charge to the schools.  What do you offer the staff?

 

Laura-  ???They bring their own guns and equipment.  We provide?  (ammo, lodging, training, medical crash kits for them to take home)  Bandaids for the class, and real supplies for the classroom.

 

Rob- That takes money for instructors, ranges, equipment.  How do you fund it so far?

Laura-

 

Rob- This a phenomenon unique to the United States.  We see a problem, and we get together and solve it.  I admire that about our character, but I have a concern.  I’ve been to those fund raisers.  Aren’t we trying to fund a culture of liberty with bake sales and overcooked chicken dinners?

 

Also feel free to mention that CCL is on FB and Twitter.

 

Please support Coloradans for civil liberties

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Woman Shoots Intruder After Husband Opened the Door

Brandon Robinson opened the backdoor of his Columbus, Ohio home to an 11 PM knock. The two people outside said they had been stranded by car trouble. Robinson kindly gave them the house phone. But, when he turned to go back inside, the heavily tattooed Allen Thompson pistol whipped him.   

 

Thompson’s accomplice forced his way past the stunned owner into the home, where he demanded cash from Jessica Robinson. The thug got the one thousand dollars from the Robinson’s safe. When he demanded to go into the back bedrooms, where her two young children were sleeping, Mrs Robinson went Full Mama Bear.

 

Using her pistol hidden in the kitchen cabinets, she shot the invader in the torso. “I know there’s a damn good chance we’d be dead right now if I hadn’t grabbed my gun like I did. My immediate life was in danger, so I shot.” The wounded intruder fell down the back stairs escaping from the empowered woman. Thompson, still outside, shot back at Jessica. Return fire from Brandon Robinson drove Thomson away.

Thompson was arrested at the hospital. The unnamed accomplice, possibly a minor, was admitted and arrested. Both suspect’s conditions are unknown.

Also unknown is why Brandon Robinson would open his door to a late night knock. His well-meaning actions exposed his family to dangerous possibilities. Thankfully, his wife was able to respond with the use of her firearm. However, we must question the hiding of a firearm in a cupboard with a seven-year-old in the house. On-body carry, POGO!, would have been safer for all.   

 

Guys?

Photo courtesy of ABC6

 

Possible thoughts:
Paul – Keep the door shut and locked – offer to call 911.

Rob- Concealed carry in the house.  
Safe storage of a firearm with children.

John – Kathy Jackson had 5 kids under 6. She decided the safest place to keep a firearm was on her hip.

 

Taxi Driver Stops Attack With His Gun
An unruly passenger pulled an ice pick on a New York taxi driver. He pulled his gun. There is no indication he uttered the words; “Youz talkin’ to me?”

Collin Green, picked up Katrina Green, 39, no relation.  After driving her to several stops, it became obvious she would not pay. He stopped the car and called police. Katrina became agitated and knocked the phone out of the driver’s hand and then pulled an ice pick. Both exited the vehicle and Katrina demonstrated her rage by shattering the rear window of the car with the pick. When advanced on Collin, he pulled the handgun he bought after being stabbed 13 times. “Look, don’t come any further. Don’t make me do this. I don’t want to have to hurt you.”

Reason somehow penetrated Katrina’s skull, and she calmed enough to allow Collin to drive away. Police later arrested the woman and charged her with Menacing, Criminal Mischief, Criminal Possession of a Weapon, and theft of services. Because of the damage to the taxi, the charges could be upgraded to a felony. Lt. Jon Ballard praised Collin for his actions in dealing with the situation. “The guy did everything correct. He used his handgun to protect himself but didn’t go above and beyond what was necessary.”

We too congratulate Collin Green, who could pass for funkmeister George Clinton, for his measured response — and also his foresight in buying, getting his carry license, and carrying a weapon. Driving a hack is one of the most dangerous occupations.

Another save for POGO!

 

Rachel-I wonder what was going on in his mind. I imagine it could be difficult for a man to overcome social expectations and pull a gun on a woman….even though obviously it was VERY warranted and necessary to save his life.

Rob- Disparity of force.  You don’t don’t have to press the trigger.  

Paul – New York City cabbie and he was able to get a permit? There ARE Unicorns!

John – I wish. He was upstate in Rochester.

 

Four Against One, The One Had a Gun

In a quiet, South Florida neighborhood, four armed intruders violently stormed into a home midday Saturday. The homeowner was forced to fight back against those incredible odds.

 

According to the police, the homeowner acted to defend his life and the lives of the three women in the house. His shots killed one invader and caused the other three to flee. They escaped in a green sedan and have not been located. Other than the intruder, no others were harmed. An elderly woman resident was shaken up and taken to relatives.

 

“I do have a license to carry, and it’s because of things like this,” said neighbor Jorge  Martinez.  

 

We POGO because of things like this.  

Rob- This is closer to the rule than the exception.  Robbers attack in packs.

 

Paul – For new listeners, POGO means Pants On Gun On

John – Makes me think that the pistol of choice needs to be an AR pistol with a 30 rd mag.

Rob- Who carries a spare magazine?

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

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First, an email from Carl that we didn’t get to last week.

 

Hello,

Recently Rob published an article regarding the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) and its naïve stance on firearms.  I am here to say that I am a member and elder of that denomination and I agree with Rob.  For many years, PCUSA has been against any gun that isn’t used for hunting.

PCUSA is rife with members who whole-heartedly support the 2nd amendment.  The problem is that the leadership is stuffed with liberals.  This was confirmed to me by my old friend and college roommate, a retired Presbyterian pastor and United States Navy chaplain who retired with the rank of Commander.  He is about as disgusted with the situation as I am.

PCUSA advocates for ministry to people who have been affected by gun violence.  OK, it is good to do that for people who have been affected by violence of any kind.  But they also call for (http://www.pcusa.org/news/2014/6/19/assembly-acts-decisively-gun-violence-abortion-tax/):

  • opposition to legislation that exempts gun manufacturers and marketers from legal liability and/or financial accountability for the medical and security costs of predictable gun misuse and availability to criminals, the unstable, and the self-destructive;
  • opposition to “stand your ground” and other legislation that may entitle gun owners to shoot before taking alternative measures (such as relying on law enforcement and/or other de-escalation techniques) in perceived defense of persons or property;
  • encouraging church sessions and PC(USA) entities that own property to declare their particular premises and gatherings to be gun-free zones;
  • raising the age for handgun ownership to 21;
  • supporting legislation to ban semiautomatic assault weapons, armor-piercing handgun ammunition and .50-caliber rifles; and
  • advocacy in support of state and federal legislation to regulate ammunition.

I have stayed Presbyterian for a few reasons, one of which is to possibly promote change from within.  PCUSA has progressively removed itself from the Bible in many areas.  Now I am tired.  Maybe I should go back to my Lutheran roots (attention Lloyd Bailey!).  Or my wife’s Baptist roots.

Thanks for listening to my rant.

Carl

 

Rob-  Thank you, Carl.  I’m sorry your church isn’t listening to reason.  That must be alienating, to say the least.  I hope you will find and support a church that shares your values.

 

Rachel- Thank you for your honesty.

Gary –

 

Next an email from John about show notes.

 

I have been listening to your show for about a year or so.

Many changes, lots of growth, and my favorite of the 9 I listen to.

However. I use an iPhone 6s to listen.
Whenever you mention show notes, I am unable to see them using the iPhone podcast app.

Suggestions?

I use this app as it is the best choice for all the different podcasts I listen to.

Thanks
John

 

Paul – That is entirely my fault. I will work on getting a solution in place to make this happen

Rachel – Awww we’re his favorite!

Rob- Paul, you might try the Blueberry publisher.

 

An anonymous emailer writes in

First off I would prefer that you not use my name – Only my wife and son know that I carry concealed and I prefer to keep it that way.

I try to follow John Farnam’s advice …stealth is good, don’t draw attention to yourself as a concealed carrier.

Here is my question for discussion….Do you recommend getting a few training classes under your belt before going to a MAG40.

My state concealed carry permit requires 8 hrs. of class room which includes live fire. I have done that plus 4 hrs. of club training with range qualification.

I also practice at the range every other weekend for almost a year now.

I don’t want to put out significant dollars for MAG40 and have it be too early in the process for me and not get the maximum value out of the class.

I am over 50 years old and CCW permitted I May 2016.

I really enjoy all of you on the show…I listen to you and Bob Mayne.

Thanks

 

Rachel- I think someone would find themselves behind the curve and frustrated if they attended a MAG-40 class either (1) without a good quality handgun (i.e. a tiny 380 or something that jams every other mag), or (2) without being comfortable and safe in handling the firearm (loading, chambering, manipulating, drawing, holstering, basic shooting). Other than that, you’re good. You don’t have to be a great shot. MAG is supposed to teach you to shoot – you don’t have to come already knowing everything. You sound like you’re at a place to definitely get maximum value. As far as the classroom portion (rules of engagement): if you’ve thought about the sober ramifications of carrying a gun and read some DGU’s (or listened to ours) you are ready. And once you pass MAG-20, go to MAG-30. It is AMAZING how far you can go in your shooting with just 3 days of David’s instruction.

 

Paul – I want to re-iterate what Rachel says here plus say that a lot of dry fire practice after ANY training helps

Gary –

Rachel – don’t wait to get really good instruction.  

 

Charlie Cook of Riding Shotgun with Charlie sent us a Facebook message

Hi Polite Society Podcast hosts,

I was just listening to Ep 398. It had John Corriea of ASP and Amanda Suffecool. During the email questions, someone asked about traveling on airlines with a firearm.

I’ve done it a few times. Wish I did for SHOT just to do it again. But I wasn’t going anywhere where we could carry.  

In Providence RI in 2007, someone stole my suitcase that contained 4 handguns that were properly checked and in locked, secure containers. They were gone for 2 weeks. The secure containers were broken into and the contents taken out.

The criminal got caught trying to sell my snub 38 in downtown Providence.   After he was caught, his roommate turned the guns in to the local police and called me. I was able to get the guns back. Three of them came back a week after he was arrested. The one he tried to sell was held up for the court case. We all have nicknames for our carry guns. My is The Evidence. (Hehe).

The reason my suitcase was stolen is partly on me. I went to the bathroom after I got off the airplane and before I retrieved my luggage.

So my advice on traveling on an airplane with a suitcase. Get your suitcase THEN go to the bathroom.

~ Charlie

 

Gary –

Rob –

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-  I’d like to talk to our listeners.  Thank you.  People like you saved dozens of lives in December.  I wrote about your success in my article “Armed Civilians Saved Lives”

I also helped Greg Hopkins put up the article that our listener Carl talked about.  It is called  “Liberal Churches are Confused About Evil and Guns”

That, and much more is up on Clash Daily, on Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John- The fight against traditional lead ammo and fishing tackle has been going on for years. So-called environmental groups such as the Center for Biological Diversity and Project Gutpile (I kid you not on that name) sued multiple times and always lost in the courts. As a parting gift to these groups, Dan Ashe, Director of the US Fish & Wildlife Service, issued a Director’s Order on Jan 19th mandating the elimination of lead ammo and fishing tackle on Federally owned properties within 5 years. He went further and said that lead-based shotgun shells would be outlawed for dove and upland bird hunting. This order was based upon bad science and political opportunism and without consultation with any of the state fish and game agencies. I am hopeful that the Trump Administration overturns this order rather quickly.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Rob- The older I get, the less I want the feds owning ANY lands.  None.  Nada.

 

Susan – https://youtu.be/db0nEyXK_e4

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 398 – Cover Your ASP

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest John Corriea

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Amanda Suffecool

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday January 13th 2017 , I’m Paul Lathrop

Gary:… so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

Paul : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 398 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Gary

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

(February 11 & 12, 2017 MAG20 in Austin, TX)

(June 24 & 25, 2017 Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. 9am-5pm both days. Richmond, IL)

(August 10-13, 2017 MAG40 in Sioux Falls, SD)

(August 26 & 27, 2017 Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)

 

Break

2- News 1

National Carry Reciprocity Update

The Washington Free Beacon published an article with further details related to Representative Richard Hudson’s (R-NC) proposed reciprocity legislation.  This news outlines Rep. Hudson’s intent that the Act will recognize both resident and non-resident licenses or permits.  He stated that he has, “confirmed this with legislative counsel and Judiciary Committee staff.”  The bill has over 100 co-sponsors.

 

Imagine that you live in New Jersey, Washington D.C. or Orange County, California.  You have given up hope to obtain a carry permit since you are not one of the privileged class.  If this bill passes with the author’s stated intent, you would be able to obtain a permit from a free state and be allowed to carry in your own state.  

 

Forum Shopping is a frequent tactic in the legal profession to try cases in an area where the chances of a favorable outcome are the most likely.  Many large businesses are incorporated in Delaware because of their favorable laws.  Why shouldn’t the average citizen have the opportunity to obtain freedom from the most favorable venue?

 

It is no wonder that Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation has applauded Rep. Hudson for inclusion of non-resident permits in the legislation.  There is little doubt that the gun control lobby will pull out all of the stops to ensure this legislation is not successful.  It is our job to ensure there are consequences for politicians determined to infringe open our rights.  Just say no to gun free zones, magazine capacity restrictions, trigger weight requirements and any other ludicrous schemes meant to turn law-abiding citizens into criminals.

 

Gary –

Paul – I alluded to this last week. GET YOUR CCW NOW! Utah- Arizona-Florida etc

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Loretta Lynch: U.S. Attorney’s Office Worked ‘Around the Clock’ Against Chicago ‘Gun Violence’

Amid reports that lax prosecution is one of the chief enablers of Chicago gun crime, Attorney General Loretta Lynch says the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Illinois has worked “around the clock” against Chicago “gun violence.” Moreover, in the past few years, the NRA has pointed to a lack of federal prosecutions as a weak link in the fight against Chicago gun crime.

 

Gun Quotes

As far as I’m concerned, ARs are for all practical purposes military weapons. But before any of my gun-rights brothers accuse me of betraying the cause, let me follow up with this statement: there’s nothing wrong with the fact that they’re military weapons. It’s a good thing. – Chris Hernandez

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest John Correa of Active Self Protection

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3- Interview 1

 

4- Interview 2

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Trying to Rob Gun Store

You’ve got to be brazen or stupid – or a large amount of both – to rob a gun store. A pair of robbers tried their luck at Dixie Gun and Pawn in the Atlanta, Georgia area. The results were entirely predictable.

           Video of Dixie Gun and Pawn Robbery


The video contained in the show notes is very instructive. It shows two masked men entering the store with guns drawn and pointed at the two workers inside. The video starts with one employee with his hands up and the store owner with his back to the thugs. When the owners recognizes the situation, he turns, retreats slightly and comes up with his 1911. He targets the closest threat, who is pointing two pistols at him. Both men fire, but the owner’s shots immediately drop the robber onto his back motionless. It seems the first shot

was a critical central nervous system hit and the perp was dead before he hit the ground. Three quick shots drive the other thief out the door. The entire incident took only 11 seconds, the actual shooting — less than 5.   

 

The two workers likely survived because the store owner knew what he was doing and performed his tasks effectively and efficiently. His actions speak of training and practice. Most importantly, he had his life-saving equipment on his hip when it was needed – for the first time in 30 years.

 

POGO, you never know.   

 

How’s That Rehabilitation Working Out For Yah?
A Sarasota County, Florida homeowner was forced to shoot and kill a home invader in self defense. The man and his family returned home when they were attacked by a man with a baseball bat. The owner shot the intruder in self-defense.  

Glenn Edward Oliver, 30, died inside his victim’s house. This violent career criminal had recently been released from prison after a 10 year sentence for armed robbery with a firearm and car-jacking. His prison time and five year probation apparently did little to deter him from his chosen profession. A profession that threatened the lives of others.

 

Oliver was accorded victim status by the Gun Memorial website, which described him as one “Lost to gun violence on January 8, 2017 in Sarasota, Florida.” There was no mention of the family that he threatened with serious injury or death.

 

Dr Sowell’s DGU

Dr Thomas Sowell has retired. For as long as we can remember, Dr Sowell has been a contrarian voice of reason and rationality. The respected economist and Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institute wrote widely on a host of subjects, never failing to bring his unique clarity and communication ability to the issue. Now, the 86-year-old, small “L” libertarian has hung up his pen. In one of his last columns, Sowell took on the New York Times and their bigoted, fictitious image of legal gun carriers. He lays out a convincing argument for the law-abiding, armed citizen and disassembles the Times’ lies. Almost as an aside, he reveals that he has used a gun in self-defense. Yes, Dr Sowell has had a DGU!

 

In Dr Sowell’s words: “The only time I ever pointed a gun at a human being, it was when someone was sneaking up toward me from behind a shed in the middle of the night. I never fired a shot. I just pointed the gun at him and told him to stop. He stopped.” <unquote> In this, the exceptional Dr Sowell becomes rather ordinary; as in the vast majority of DGUs a shot is never fired. The victim’s firearm causes the criminal to rapidly reevaluate the situation, usually resulting in a decision to be elsewhere as soon as possible.  

 

We wish Dr Sowell a long and happy retirement. He will be devoting himself to his photography, which is featured at his website. His black and white photographs are truly stunning. We also thank him for his last column on the fallacy of gun control and highly recommend it to our listeners. The link can be found in the shownotes.  

Don’t Torque Off the Old Gal

In another of our continuing “Don’t Torque Off an Ol’ Gal” series, a feisty 74-year-old Texan puts the fear of Grandmother in a thug.   

 

Rebbie Robertson was watching TV when she was startled by an armed intruder.  Not one to take an interruption to her shows lightly, she grabbed a .38 on a nearby table and pointed it at the bad guy, who quite understandably ran for his life. Putting the robber to flight wasn’t enough for the cranky septuagenarian, so she ran after him firing her gun. There was no doubt in her mind; “I tried to kill him! Anybody break in on me I’m going to kill them! He going to kill me or I’m going to kill him!” Unfortunately for her house, her aim wasn’t quite as well developed as her outrage.  


Police aren’t certain if ol’ Deadeye actually hit the intruder, however they’re continuing to look for the criminal, who might still be running. You just don’t dare torque off an old grandmother!  

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

605-215-1438

 

1st email

 

I have just recently learned about and started listening to the Polite Society podcast.  Good stuff.

Here are a few thoughts from the prepper interview:

I am a huge proponent of using a .22lr rifle.  I disagree that auto loaders are more complex than a bolt action or lever action rifle.  I have disassembled (and reassembled) multiple Ruger 10/22 rifles.  They are pretty simple.  They are also quite effective.  Why?

An autoloader allows for a much faster followup shot than a bolt action or lever action and I have seen very few malfunctions, maybe one out of a thousand rounds, all of which could be cleared by nothing more than cycling the bolt.  Using quality ammunition is important.

I can carry a case (5K) rounds of .22lr (CCI MiniMags preferred) under one arm.  A single tin (440 rounds) of 7.62x54r is a bit tougher to carry. https://www.faclevents.org/austin-tx-1-day-14jan2017

In a survival situation, I would be willing to hunt even deer with a .22lr.  Mind you, the deer in Texas run kind of small.

In a long term survival situation, rounds of .22lr would make a good currency, with each round being of fairly small denomination.

While not great in defending a position, it’s still enough to discourage attackers at 100+ yards.

So, while I don’t think it is a solution to everything, I would not be surprised if a .22lr turned out to be the most often used round in a survival situation.

And, as a followup, I highly recommend classes from the Appleseed Project (Hi, Rachel) as the best and most cost effective introductory rifle marksmanship training.  So much so that I have a standing offer to pay for a friend of mine to take a weekend class.

Keep up the good work, I have been enjoying the podcasts.

— Matt

 

Jake from Iowa wrote in:

 

On the subject of National Carry Reciprocity, Rachel expressed doubts that this was something we want the federal government getting their hands into.  I generally share her caution about government, and really respect and appreciate her principled approach to things, but I disagree – I think that in order to respect the constitution, the federal government MUST institute national reciprocity.  

The justification would be under the “full faith and credit” clause of the constitution, which requires states to respect the documents issued by other states, such as drivers licenses, marriage licenses, etc.

Politicians are certainly known for “creative” interpretations of the constitution, such as the much-abused interstate commerce clause, but the full faith and credit clause can only honestly be interpreted in our favor – It could not be used to justify forcing more strenuous qualifications for permits on the states.  One could maybe create several “levels” of carry permits, and argue that, say Utah’s carry permit is only equivalent to California’s “basic” carry permit, so you can’t carry in a bunch of places until you get some kind of prohibitively expensive “enhanced” permit, but even that would be progress.

 

Right now, I have an Iowa carry permit but work in Illinois.  It is literally impossible for me to get an IL carry permit because IL will not issue one to IA residents, nor will they honor my IA permit, except in my vehicle.  This is a pretty blatant denial of rights, and is unconstitutional both on 2A grounds and based on the full faith and credit clause, and I would love to see them slapped down on this.

 

Thanks,

-Jake from Iowa

 

And Carl also wrote in.

 

Hello,

Recently Rob published an article regarding the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) and its naïve stance on firearms.  I am here to say that I am a member and elder of that denomination and I agree with Rob.  For many years, PCUSA has been against any gun that isn’t used for hunting.

PCUSA is rife with members who whole-heartedly support the 2nd amendment.  The problem is that the leadership is stuffed with liberals.  This was confirmed to me by my old friend and college roommate, a retired Presbyterian pastor and United States Navy chaplain who retired with the rank of Commander.  He is about as disgusted with the situation as I am.

PCUSA advocates for ministry to people who have been affected by gun violence.  OK, it is good to do that for people who have been affected by violence of any kind.  But they also call for (http://www.pcusa.org/news/2014/6/19/assembly-acts-decisively-gun-violence-abortion-tax/):

  • opposition to legislation that exempts gun manufacturers and marketers from legal liability and/or financial accountability for the medical and security costs of predictable gun misuse and availability to criminals, the unstable, and the self-destructive;
  • opposition to “stand your ground” and other legislation that may entitle gun owners to shoot before taking alternative measures (such as relying on law enforcement and/or other de-escalation techniques) in perceived defense of persons or property;
  • encouraging church sessions and PC(USA) entities that own property to declare their particular premises and gatherings to be gun-free zones;
  • raising the age for handgun ownership to 21;
  • supporting legislation to ban semiautomatic assault weapons, armor-piercing handgun ammunition and .50-caliber rifles; and
  • advocacy in support of state and federal legislation to regulate ammunition.

I have stayed Presbyterian for a few reasons, one of which is to possibly promote change from within.  PCUSA has progressively removed itself from the Bible in many areas.  Now I am tired.  Maybe I should go back to my Lutheran roots (attention Lloyd Bailey!).  Or my wife’s Baptist roots.

Thanks for listening to my rant.

Carl

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

 

Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 397 – National Reciprocity?

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment:

3- Interview Segment Guests Joey and Allison from Passionate About Prepping:

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday January 5th, 2017  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the nevada law requiring universal background checks that cannot be enforced.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we will talk about a possible national concealed carry reciprocity act

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a Texas deputy sheriff wasn’t carrying a gun, luckily his wife was. So climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 397 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- sdgs podcasts.  We are in process of adding another concealed carrier to the household.  Gun, holster, permit.  Now she has to go take a class with Rachel.

Rachel – range time with my ARC practice group, growing the TFF community and website, teaching classes. Pretty sure I found my life partner…..my Glock 19. Check out my videos on Constitutional Carry and 3 things we must do to pass gun legislation. Be sure to show up to the Capitol on Friday, Jan. 13 at 3pm on the South steps if you can be in Austin….rally sponsored

Also, had a wonderful surprise on Christmas break!!!

Gary

Paul/Susan

Rachel- MAG20 in Austin Feb 11 and 12!

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2- News 1

Another win in the courtroom

Residents of Lower Merion Township, Pennsylvania received an early Christmas present from the Commonwealth Court.  In a 2-1 ruling, the appellate court ruled in favor of an injunction prohibiting the Township from enforcing a local gun ban.  

 

The suit filed by Firearm Owners Against Crime centers around a law enacted by the township in 2011.  This example of “we know better than you” legislation creates a $600 fine for carrying firearms on town-owned recreational property.  In fact, vast segments Pennsylvania government believe they know better than their subjects.  The Township’s rulers enacted this infringement in defiance of the state’s preemption law.  

 

Fortunately, two members of the Commonwealth Court’s three judge panel actually rule based on the law.  These judges agreed that refusing this injunction “would sanction the Township’s continued statutory violations.”

 

Unfortunately, the ruling was not unanimous.  The dissenting judge, Dan Pelligrini, cannot seem to understand the language of the statute.  The general rule is stated that, “No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms…”  The court of original jurisdiction in this case also agrees with Judge Pelligrini.  Only courthouses and schools are prohibited by statute.  We hope this ruling will help to overturn Philadelphia’s illegal banning of firearms in city parks, as well.  

 

If former attorney general, Kathleen Kane, was not serving time, there is no doubt she would agree with Judge Pelligrini.  Kim Stolfer, president of FOAC, stated that, “these local laws are crimes just like burglary and assault and should be handled as such but District Attorney’s shirk their duty to enforce the law.”  

 

We are fighting nanny state legislators, activist judges and politically motivated district attorneys throughout our nation.  Current events have demonstrated that victory can be achieved through the ballot box.  However, a measure of personal accountability for public officials may help prevent their constant attempts to infringe upon the rights of the law abiding citizenry.

 

Rob-  The local pro-rights group who brought this suit can hold the local politicians liable.  Let’s see if politicians are above the law.

 

National concealed carry reciprocity bill introduced.

A bill has been introduced in the house that would finally make national concealed carry reciprocity a reality. The bill, (H.R.-38) mandates that if you have a concealed carry permit from one state that it is good in all states. No requirement for any kind of training is in the initial form of the bill.

Paul-

Rob-  It is not up in PopVox yet (popvox.com).  I’m still worried about prohibiting firearms rather than carry licenses.  Do you own a CA or NJ compliant gun, mag, ammunition, gun safe…?  

 

Rachel-I’m glad it includes constitutional carry states. I still have concerns. Will it get messed up with amendments? Will it distract us from other gun issues like Rob mentioned? Will it be largely ineffective due to gun-free zones or other restrictions? Is it the even the place of the federal government to do this? If they can allow it they can also disallow it. I believe it’s a states issue that should stay with the states.

Full text: https://hudson.house.gov/uploads/Concealed%20Carry%20Reciprocity%20Act%20of%202017.pdf

 

Chicago sets a new record (and it isn’t something to be proud of)

2016 was a record setting year for the windy city. However this record is one they most likely didn’t want. 795 homicides and 4378 shootings were recorded in the city last year. This despite being among the cities with the most stringent gun laws in the country. President-elect Trump took to Twitter to show his displeasure with Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel. Trump tweeted “If Mayor can’t do it he must ask for Federal help!”

 

Chicago politics and a strong backlash against police have combined to create a situation where police are afraid of becoming the next viral video and have become much more hands off. This has allowed the murder rate to climb even higher than those of New York City and Los Angeles, both of which are larger cities.

 

Remember that Nevada “Universal background check” law?

Residents of Nevada have something to be happy about in the new year. The bill supported by the Bloomberg group that passed narrowly in November is written so poorly that it cannot be enforced. On December 28th the Nevada attorney general issued an opinion that the language of the bill as written makes people go through an FBI background check, except the FBI doesn’t do them in NV, the state police do. The FBI won’t (after a signed agreement that gave the NV state police the ability) and the law doesn’t give the state police the ability to act in the FBI’s place. That’s what you get when bad laws are written by people from other states that know nothing about how things work in your state.

 

Rachel-this is why it’s important to read the actual text of the bill – not just what the media or author say about it

Rob- Bloomberg paid $35 per vote in nevada, to win by one half of one percent.

 

Gun Quotes

The essence of good marksmanship is self-control, and self-control is the essence of good citizenship. It is too easy to say that a good shot is automatically a good man, but it would be equally incorrect to ignore the connection. – Jeff Cooper

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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Robber sets gun down and gets shot

According to ABC 15 in Phoenix a 17 year old armed robber decided to rob a convenience store. The young thug walked in and pointed a gun at the clerk and demanded money.  When the clerk obeyed and handed over the contents of the register the young robber placed his gun on the counter to take the money. That is when the clerk drew and fired his own gun. The robber fled after being shot, but collapsed in the street outside. He was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to survive. Shockingly, police say that this is not the armed robbers first crime.

 

A DGU goes as well as can be expected.

An Austin, Texas man was understandably concerned on Christmas day when he heard a door close in his home. You see this man lives alone. Dennis Rainford, 39, had gained access to the home through the garage. The homeowner took out his gun and when the intruder passed by his bedroom door the homeowner pointed his gun at him and told Rainford to get out of the house.

 

Police found Rainford wearing a Santa hat and arrested him.

 

Rob- The grinch didn’t stop this christmas.

 

Wear the damned thing!

Our final DGU was emailed to us by one of our listeners, thank you Carl!

A Texas deputy Sheriff and his wife were on their way to a weekend deer hunt when they stopped to get gas. While the deputy was walking back to his car 2 men pulled into the gas station in a red pickup truck and approached and began beating the Deputy.  They had the deputy on the ground and one of them was kicking him in the face while the other was trying to get to his walet.

 

Luckily the Deputy’s wife had her handgun. She drew and began firing at the thugs as she exited her vehicle. The Deputy was then able to get to their vehicle and retrieve his gun and add to his wife’s fire on the retreating thugs.

 

The stolen vehicle that was used in the assault was discovered a few days later by the houston fire department, however no arrests have yet been made.

 

Rachel- Dude. You live in Texas, you’re on your way to a hunt, I’m sure you drive a truck….what the heck is wrong with you…keep your gun on! Good thing his wife had his back!

 

Rob- Multiple shots fired and all were misses.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-  Armed civilians saved lives in december

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/armed-civilians-saved-lives-in-december/

 

For new gun owners- the first steps are the biggest (your first firearms class)

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/the-first-steps-are-the-biggest-what-you-discover-in-your-first-self-defense-classes/

 

Human rights versus california politicians- which right of self-defense do we have?

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2016/12/29/human-rights-versus-california-politicians-which-right-of-self-defense-do-we-have/

 

The good news review of 2016 for gun owners.

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2016/12/26/the-good-news-review-of-2016-for-gun-owners/

 

Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John Richardson has a number of good posts at his blog, only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Paul- We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 394 – Texas Constitutional Carry?

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

 

3- DGU Segment: 

4- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition and a proud founding show on the Self Defense Radio Network. We are recording this show on Sunday, November 27th.  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we talk about the attorney General of Massachusetts, who said that Massachusetts law is what she says it is.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll talk about how Texas can win all the things that other states already enjoy.

John: I’m John Richardson and we’ll also discuss about the moves for Constitutional Carry in multiple states.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we have an update on the concealed carrier that saved a cop …. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 394 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Carried every day.  Posted another episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories with Jenna Meek as my instructor.  I joined Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio.  I had my family home for thanksgiving, and I got to take my brother shooting.

John- I’m sorry I missed the last show. It was due to what I call the Olivia Daycare virus which hit all of us. I was a guest on Cheryl and Dan Todd’s Gun Freedom Radio the weekend after the election. Gun Freedom Radio In gun news I finished assembling my AR pistol. It is a mixture of used and new parts which is typical of most of my ARs. Finally, we’ve had a number of wildfires all over WNC. I’d like to thank the firefighters from around the country that have responded. With luck, we’ll get some good rain this week.

Rachel- Can’t believe it’s been 6 weeks since I was on the show??? ON the other hand, feels almost like 6 months

  • Florida trip: MAG-30 and MAGIC (shoutout to Tracy for the motivation to go!)
    • Gear requirements: full setup (gun, holster, mags/speedloaders & holders) for primary gun, primary gun mirror image, back-up gun (smaller carry gun), revolver, and spare gun.
    • MAG-30: several single speed quals, double speed, triple speed
    • MAGIC: 5-10 normal single speed quals; single speed with mirror image, revolver, and back-up gun; quad speed
    • 4k rounds primary gun
    • David Maglio (https://www.facebook.com/david.maglio/) – can’t say enough good things about his instruction and the way he structures his courses for maximum value for each round.
    • 9mm and Glock 19 won for me – end of my experiment trying to prove others are better.
    • Quad speed: didn’t know I could shoot so fast accurately
    • Personal best in consistency and growth
  • LTC classes: for little guns — Bersa Thunder fails, Ruger LCP/LC9 works, S&W Shield wins
  • S&W Shield: good (works great, easy function – go without the thumb safety), bad (fewer rounds for carry), ugly (broken spring – known issue, but S&W *did* overnight me another after I pressed them about it)
  • Subscribe to TFF YouTube channel….. #constitutionalcarry here we come!

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2- News 1

In her opinion, a Democrat Attorney General can’t violate the second amendment.

Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey told a federal court her recent ban on the sale of “Massachusetts-compliant” semi-auto rifles is both within the scope of her duties and complies with the US constitution. In July, Healy declared she was banning the sale of “copycat” rifles.  These rifles shared any common parts such as triggers or bolt carriers with AR-15s, AK-variants and others on the Commonwealth’s prohibited “assault weapons” list.  This led to a rush on stores by gun owners seeking to buy the newly prohibited models, as well as pushback from lawmakers and regulatory agencies. Finally, in September, four gun dealers and a firearms trade advocacy group filed suit in federal court seeking to overturn the new rules. This week, the attorney general’s 53-page response was that the legal challenge is without merit and should be dismissed.

The lawsuit brought against Attorney General Healy raised several objections.

Heally’s ruling is inconsistent with Massachusetts law,

It is unconstitutionally vague, and can be read in a way that violates the Second Amendment.

Healy replied that the allegations should be dismissed, because she is tasked with interpreting Massachusetts law, and that any strain placed on the Second Amendment “imposes no significant burden on the rights of law-abiding individuals to possess a firearm for self-defense in the home.”

Rob- She pretends that the Heller and McDonald cases don’t exist.  States can interpret the Second amendment as a right of the state to bear arms, and that there is no individual rights to bear arms in the home.

John – She is trying to ride this to the governor’s office. I find it very sad that a lesbian fails to see how firearms such as these actually protect the LGBTQ community from abusers. She needs to talk to Erin Palette.

Gary –

Paul – Does anyone know if the SAF is involved?

Rob- Healy is talking to her donors, not her voters.

The news media has noticed an increase in gun sales to minorities, gays, and women. They are trying to portray it as a reaction to the election of Donald Trump. Comments?

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/trump-s-victory-has-fearful-minorities-buying-guns-n686881?cid=sm_fb

Rob-

Gary –

Rachel-Many of us had an inciting incident or encounter that woke us up to the possibility that we could need to protect ourselves, and made us want to carry a gun. If this is what woke them up, then good. I want more people awakened and taking personal responsibility.

John- Larry Correia has come out with a guide for liberals  interested in gun ownership.  –http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/11/14/a-handy-guide-for-liberals-who-are-suddenly-interested-in-gun-ownership/

Constitutional Carry: South Dakota, North Dakota, Texas, …..who’s next?

http://www.kfyrtv.com/home/headlines/ND-Legislators-Proposing-Constitutional-Carry-Bill–378448941.html

http://www.guns.com/2016/11/18/texas-lawmaker-to-seek-constitutional-carry/

FAQ on constitutional carry: http://www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com/how-well-do-you-understand-constitutional-carry/

How would you explain Constitutional Carry?

Did you know that 20% of states allow it?

Does the data show more or less violent crime in those states?

What about needing a permit for reciprocity?

When can we get Constitutional Carry in Texas?

3 things we cannot fail to do: COME to hearings (commit now!), CALL your reps (now, and during session when bills get “stuck”), and CONNECT with TFF or another organization for action alerts

John

Rob- Politicians appeal to their narrow voting blocks and their political donors.  With gerrymandering, politicians choose their voters, not the other way around.  Politicians want to drive their political opponents from their states.  We are seeing the big sort as people chose their politicians by moving to another state.

Paul

Rob- End of year donations?

Gun Quote – Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. Thomas Jefferson

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with defensive gun use.

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Update to CCW Carrier’s Save of a Florida Cop – CCW Carriers Assisting Cops
Last week, we covered a story that was developing as we recorded: a CCW holder had saved the life of a police officer being attacked alongside a Florida highway. Praise for the man who shot the attacker off the deputy was immediate and profound. And a local area gun store immediately put a very tangible sign of their appreciation in the hands of the hero.

As a natural part of the investigation, the police took the good samaritan’s handgun into evidence. It will likely remain there for months, if not years. Mark Williams, of the Shoot Straight gun store in Fort Myers, acted to ensure the good guy will continue to have a self-defense gun. Shoot Straight, with the blessing and assistance of the Lee County Sheriff, gave the man a new Springfield XDS.

According to Sheriff Mike Scott; “In a day and age where race is a near-instant focus for media and other pundits in police incidents, the fact is that this hero happens to be a man of color who stopped another man of color from further harming or killing a white cop; thereby reminding us that black lives matter, blue lives matter, and indeed all life matters. We at your Sheriff’s Office remain proud to serve and focused on the mission.”

We also applaud the CCW holder, as well as Shoot Straight and the Lee County Sheriff’s Department for their civic duty.  This is just another reminder that the police and the citizens are on the same team and can and should work in support of one another. This has been a hard week for law-enforcement, with five officers shot in the line of duty, two fatally. We stand with those that stand to “Protect and Serve”.   

Gas Station Clerk v. Armed Serial Robber

A robber attacked and shot a gas station attendant before being fatally wounded himself. Matthew Brown, 20, was in the midst of a Tallahassee, Florida crime spree when he stopped to prey at a Sunoco gas station. He demanded money from the clerk, and backed-up his demands at the point of a gun. The two fought over the gun and the clerk was hit by a round fired from Brown’s gun. The wounded clerk made it to a firearm hidden under the store’s counter and got off a shot in defense of his life. That shot left Brown dying on the station’s floor.  

Police believe Brown committed at least 10 other armed robberies in the past week. The silver Cobra handgun found near the body was seen at the other robberies, as was the distinctive upscale back-pack Brown carried. Brown’s get-away driver was arrested with clothing and zombie and clown masks also linked to the robberies. Kendrick Herring, 26, had been convicted of second-degree murder before being set free on a technicality. He had also served time for felony battery and cocaine possession. Herring was charged with armed robbery, possession of marijuana and cocaine, and murder while engaged in a felony offense. He is being held without bond.

The clerk is expected to recover from his wound. It is no stretch to say hIs use of the gun possibly saved his life.  

Rob- Let’s not confuse success with good practice.

75-Year-Old Shoots Home Invader
A 75-year-old man used a gun to defend his life during a late-night invasion of his Detroit home. One suspect died at the scene, the other is still on the lam. The homeowner awoke around 3 am from noises at his back door. According to police, he found two suspects standing inside his home. The man fired twice, hitting one, who collapsed and died in the home’s backyard. His partner ran off and has not been captured. Both invaders were described as males between 16 and 18.  

Police say the incident remains under investigation.  

CF- Homeowner is in a very difficult position, with intruders in his home and the Detroit Police’s response time measured in many minutes or even hours. Still, it would have probably been better to bunker down in a safe room.

78-Year-Old Grandma Defends Her Life With a Gun

Elaine Stiehl, 78, was preparing to take a nap when she heard suspicious noises from the front of her Atlanta area home. The feisty old grandma grabbed a gun, loaded it and stepped into the hallway. She found two strangers in that hallway. Seeing the gun, the two turned tail and ran from the house into a SUV driven by a female accomplice. The trio sped off but were later caught on the highway. Police recovered two guns (one was stolen), power tools and fur coats.  The criminal masterminds, all looking like an anti-Meth advertisement, have been booked for burglary and theft by receiving stolen property.

As we learned decades ago, you just don’t mess with Grandma’s nap!

Rob- Was grandma good or lucky?

Rob-

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Well, for better or for worse, we now have a President-Elect Trump.  I’ll leave off of discussing exactly how I feel about that man, but suffice to say that while he is no Clinton, he’s absolutely not my favorite.

I know a lot of us in the gun community are breathing a sigh of relief now.  I understand that.  I would also encourage us to still be mindful of our liberties, both the 2nd amendment and the rest of them.  The Democratic party is learning a harsh lesson about expanding executive power – A strong executive is all well and good, until the winds of change turn against you, and the powers you just enacted turn to your political opponents.  In that spirit, we should all be cautious if Trump turns out to be as authoritarian as he presented himself on the campaign trail – All of our liberties may be at risk if he succeeds in “reforming” libel laws and punishing political opponents, let alone the implications of his “carried out on a stretcher” comments.  We should also be cautious that in our current (and entirely legitimate) fear about Jihadism and radical Islam, we don’t do permanent damage to the institution of religious freedom.  

The grand irony here is that many Democrats are beginning to know why we conservatives have been harping on separation of powers, limited government, and the right to bear arms.  Now that the balance of power is shifting away from their side, they’re looking to these principles, which they snidely ignored and derided before, to protect their liberties.  I have had 2 friends, both transgender, call me up and ask me some questions about the process of becoming armed.  Since this is nearly half of the trans people I know, I think it shows a sudden and decided shift in opinion.  While I think their fears are overstated, we need to understand that for many people, the fear they feel is real, partly because of things Trump said, and partly because of the vastly distorted image of him the media portrayed.

If we really want to safeguard our 2nd amendment rights, I would encourage gun owners to be welcoming to liberals just now warming to the idea of bearing arms.  Too much of our political discourse today is meme-based facebook snark-fests and straw-man misrepresentation of opposing views, and quite often we have no real understanding of why anyone could honestly hold different opinions.  Your show has a history of civil, informed discussion that I would like to see take hold in more places, and your listeners could be a force for change, especially if they are there when these two sides meet at the gun counter.  Listen, inform, be helpful, and help them to learn that the 2nd amendment is their right, too, and they should guard it every bit as jealously as we do.

-Jake from Iowa.

Gary –

I forgot to mention:

Perhaps the most important opportunity we have if liberals begin to show up at ranges and gun shops is to change their minds about Trump voters.  They have been sold a bill of goods that Trump and all of his voters are hateful, racist, mysoginistic xenophobes.  That’s a lie, and in every small interaction we have with people from the other side of the fence, we have a chance to prove it, if only we can stay civil, helpful, and -dare I say it? Compassionate.

-Jake from Iowa

Rob- Trump did more for the acceptance of smaller government in one week than the Libertarian party accomplished in 40 years.

Paul – I said it when the news story was brought up, but will say it again, welcome to the club to any and all that have joined us as gun owners.

Rachel-thank you Jake for the compliment to the show. I appreciate our informed, civil discussions also.

The Pentagon just issued a new policy to allow personnel to apply to carry concealed, personal weapons on military installations!

The federal building prohibition in the U.S. Code still stands, unless specifically excepted by the authority granting permission to carry.  Other locations on a military installation, including possession in cars, would be covered and allowed under this policy. The individual services now get busy writing their own implementing instructions.  It isn’t clear if all commanders will grant authorization to carry, but this policy change sure opens the door to allow it.  Our new President may open the doors further if he delivers on his campaign promises.

Unfortunately, while this is a step in the right direction, it does nothing for most military members in “may issue” states, and states that rarely issue carry licenses to nonresidents (such as Illinois).  

As expected, the arming authority must ensure applicants “Meet applicable federal, State, local, or, as applicable, host-nation requirements to carry a firearm. Proof of compliance may include a concealed handgun license that is valid under federal, State, local, or host-nation law in the location where the DoD property is located.”

Many military members will remain unable to protect themselves because of absurd host state attitudes toward self-defense.

Policy is here, in Section 4:

‪http://www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/corres/pdf/521056_dodd_2016.pdf

Thank you,

Kevin (in Illinois)

Rob- an executive order can fix this.  We can change which bases are staffed.  Hint.

Paul- I was going to say what rob just did, but will go a bit farther

Gary-

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob-  I talked about reciprocity between states.  The article is called-  ”Are guns legal in your town, but not next door?”

I wrote a paid article for Second Call Defense.  We see lots of gun owners who imagine they are safe because they own a gun.  A gun does not make you safe.  Your habits make you safe.  That article is called ”Voodoo Gun Owners and Superstitious Self-Defense”

Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

John- We in the gun culture overall won on Election Day. That said, we need to be on our toes as the gun prohibitionists are not quitting. A case in point is the push for so-called “smart guns”. The National Institute of Justice released their final specifications for such technology if it is to be used by law enforcement. This was in response to President Obama’s Executive Memorandum to Justice, Homeland Security, and DOD ordering to research the technology. Moreover, gun controllers are shifting their attention to the states where they have had more success. We need to be aware and be ready to crush their moves wherever and whenever it comes up.

Gary- We’d like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul – Shot show

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, Rachel, Susan,Charlotte, and Rob,  Until the next time…

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

Rachel: and we’ll see y’all down the road.

Episode 393 – Election Fall-Out

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/393.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- Interview Segment: Guest Bob Mayne

5- Gun Review

6- DGU’s:

7- Email and Show Close

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition and a proud founding show on the Self Defense Radio Network. We are recording this show on Tuesday November 15th 2016  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we can’t stop talking about the election results.

Matt: I’m Matt Martin and we’ll talk about competition shooting.

Charlotte: I’m Charlotte Foxtrot tonight we’ll give a review of the Ruger LC9s

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a concealed carrier that saved a cop’s life .. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

Matt : and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 393 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Carried every day.  I carried, and my wife took her CCW class.

Gary-

Charlotte- Exploring a new way to carry

Matt – Working up a Black Powder load to reliably run a glock 17 as a follow up to a previous video. https://youtu.be/yuE0jkq4_1o

Paul: ***

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2- News 1

It is Good to be Number One

The truth must be repeated numerous times to overcome a constant harangue of lies being told to shape public opinion.  That is true whether the subject is healthcare, global warming or gun rights.  The comrades in the establishment media would have us believe every narrative that provides for government solutions at the cost of individual liberty.  

The UK’s Telegraph, hardly a right-wing publication, recently published an article with some interesting findings.  One unsurprising fact is that the US leads the world in per-capita gun ownership at a rate of 112.6 per 100 residents.  It is good to be number one!  However, as AWR Hawkins noted, America, “does not even crack the Top 10 when it comes to firearm-related deaths.”  Have you seen the establishment media’s headline coverage of this?  Of course not!  Don’t forget the fact that America’s murder rate dropped significantly during a period of surging gun purchases.

Other gun-loving citizens can be found in the second country on the list, Serbia.  Relatively favorable gun laws and a recent history of war in the region explain the high ownership rate of 75.6 firearms per 100 Serbians.  When was the last time you heard about an epidemic of violence there?

Switzerland, Sweden and Norway also made the top ten list.  Are these countries dealing with blood flowing in the streets?  They seem to be doing better than their French counterparts who are strictly limited when it comes to gun ownership.  It may surprise you to find that Yemen, Saudi Arabia and Iraq are also in the top ten.  

Leading the list of countries with the highest rates of firearms-related deaths is Honduras.  The highest incidence of gun-related deaths in the world is 67.2 per 100,000 annually.  That is a 0.067% chance that an average Honduran will be killed by a person using a firearm.  

Rounding out the top ten are eight other Latin American countries and one African nation.  Only one nation, Uruguay, appears in both lists; number eight in ownership and number 10 in deaths.  This country has a population slightly lower than that of Connecticut,  The article does not provide the relative percentage of toddlers in the Uruguayan population.

This is just another story in the long list of unreported facts that are being withheld from your neighbors.  Why?  Because this story shows that more guns correlates to less crime.  Also, it might be politically incorrect to point out that crime rates in Latin America seem a little high.

Roundtable on Presidential Election

Topics

 

  • Trump won and has changed his tone a bit, what does that mean for gun owners?
  • What does the election say about mass media and the new media.
  • Several pro-gun bills waiting in the wings, what should move first?
  • Remover suppressors from NFA.  Reciprocity.
  • What can Trump do without waiting for legislation?
  • This election shows how fragile our liberties really are.  Three million illegal aliens in a popular vote that was decided by less than one million votes.- RM

 

Paul, Rob, Charlotte, Gary, Matt

Gun Quote – “Can shooting the guy in the stomach kill him? Sure, but probably not in your lifetime.” – Tom Givens (talking about shot placement in a gunfight)

#2  Look, I dunno how to tell you this, buster, but you just can’t go around shooting down light aircraft with a handgun. – Captain Mitchell of the Las Vegas PD in Rockford Files, season 1 episode 2 timestamp 46:30

3- Guest Bob Mayne – competition

Our guest tonight is the co-founder of the Self Defense Radio Network and host of the Handgunworld and Today’s Survival podcasts. Bob is also a personal friend of mine and someone who I look up to when it comes to firearms application. Bob, thanks for joining us!

In a show before the election took over all conversation in the nation I mentioned that I was not a big fan of competition and though that it wasn’t necessary for a gun owner to be in competition if they practiced often and got quality training.  You and I have had conversations over the phone about this since then and I wanted to bring you on to give the listeners your take, so if someone owns a handgun for self defense and carries on a regular basis do they need to compete?

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with defensive gun use.

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4- Far Side of the Gun Counter

The Far Side of the Gun Counter

Ruger LC9s

In every podcast we recommend the listeners carry a gun for their protection. POGO! However, we rarely discussed the hardware itself – we were always too smart for that.  Well, with this inaugural episode of The Far Side of the Gun Counter, we’re correcting that brief diversion into sanity with our review of Ruger’s LC9s concealed carry pistol.

Obvious Stuff:

        The LC9s (Light Compact 9 – striker) is Ruger’s offering in the concealed carry 9×19 market. At first glance the Ruger LC9s is a small to medium-sized pistol with a black polymer lower and a matte blued slide. It tapes in as 6” long and 4 ½” tall, with conventional 3-dot sights. It tips the scales at only 17.2 ounces unloaded. The mag holds 7 rounds of 9, one more than the Glock 43. The trigger bears the mark of the striker with a Glockish dingus protruding from the face. The slide incorporates some deep and usable serrations at the rear. Fit and finish are typical Ruger’s high standards and certainly acceptable. The firearms corners and edges are nicely rounded and streamlined for discreet carry. All in all, it’s handsome-looking pistol.

The LC9s also feels good in the hand. At 9/10 of an inch of width, the well textured grip is thin enough for small hands. And the longish grip and the pinkie extension on the magazine make it comfortable for big paws. The gun points well and the controls are nicely placed and usable, although necessarily small. With the proper technique, the gun is easy to load, cock and unload.  The trigger has a long, light take-up, then a moderate final pull and let off. Our test sample, Charlotte Foxtrot’s Raspberry LC9s (yes, the girlies love their pink), has a measured 5 ¼ pound trigger pull. The reset is moderate, with a faintly audible click. In our humble opinion, the trigger is well suited for a firearm meant to be carried. And it happens to be one of the best striker-fired triggers out there.

Offerings:

        The pistol comes in three basic configurations. The first is the LC380, which incorporates the old gaw-dawful shrouded hammer firing system stolen from the Ruger LCP, from which it also swipes the anemic .380 ACP cartridge. With the .380 in a 9mm sized pistol and the horrific trigger, this pistol is chock full of suck and fail. Yea Olde Gonne Shoppe had a LC380 when it opened, and it’ll probably still be there when the store closes many years in the future. If a plus-sized .380 is desired, consider the Walther PPK – which has all sorts of style points to boot.  

        The second configuration is the basic LC9s.  It also comes with a left side external safety and a magazine disconnect. The safety is nicely recessed and would be difficult to engage accidently. If you engage it on purpose – well, that’s your problem. The magazine disconnect “safety” is just plain annoying. A witness hole is provided for checking the status of the barrel chamber. The pistol is sold with one 7 round magazine, an orange plastic dummy magazine and an unpadded gun rug. The dummy magazine satisfies some insane New Jersey regulation, but it’s very useful for practicing magazine changes and dry firing. When this version was introduced, it immediately received significant praise, especially when compared to the low bar set by the prior hammer-fired version.

To make the third configuration of the LC9s, Ruger got over their well-known fear of liability lawyers and did the unthinkable: they actually eliminated some so-called safety features. Ruger dropped the magazine disconnect and external manual safety to create the LC9s Pro. Many self-defense instructors recommend against the thumb safety and magazine disconnect for a self-defense firearm. In a life-or-death situation, the pistol simply has to work, work now, and work every time. Fumbling around with an external safety or dealing with a partially dropped magazine could take the remainder of a lifetime. With those deletions, the Pro is the definitive version of the pistol and our overwhelming recommendation for the best LC9s.   

Accessories:

As you’d expect, there’s a lot of options and accessories for this popular pistol.  Ruger has 14 additional SKUs, for colored, camoed, engraved, and otherwise tarted-up pistols that can be bought from the various firearm distributors. The poor pistol is even offered in Hospital Puss Green by TALO. There are lasers and lights and holsters and aftermarket sights in abundance. What we certainly recommend are the extended capacity mags for the necessary reloads. Ruger offers 9 round extended magazines; and ProMag has their well-regarded 10 rounders. We favor SnagMag’s vertical pocket magazine holsters. Another of our favorites is the Talon black granulate grip applique, for an enhanced grip.

Shooting:

        We found our LC9s to be an excellent shooter, accurate and reliable. The pistol shot to the point of aim at 7 yards. We’ve had no failures though about 300 mixed rounds of ball and hollow-point. The long grip allowing for a three fingers hold makes the pistol very controllable.  Managing the trigger reset was a simple task – this gun would be easy to shoot fast and accurately. Although we haven’t benchrested it yet, the LC9s looks to have more than acceptable accuracy for a self defense pistol.     

       

Summary:

       In our not so humble opinion, the Ruger LC9s Pro is one of the better concealed carry handguns out there. It combines the respected 9mm cartridge, an 8 round capacity, excellent overall ergonomics with quality and shoot-ability.  All for a good price. You just can’t go wrong.  

Rob-  How does the LC9s reset compare to glocks?

Matt- Video Handgun actions matter in recoil. https://youtu.be/lJyWfWREv1c?t=2m41s

Gary-

Paul –

Charlie Foxtrot
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Rob-

Concealed Carrier Saves a Cop’s Life

A Lee County, Florida deputy was about to lose his life. He was flat on his back being beaten mercilessly by the attacker above him. Then — a good samaritan appeared, and like the Biblical Good Samaritan, he was armed.   

The deadly attack started with a high speed chase. Deputy First Class Dean Bardes saw a driver dangerously using the left hand breakdown lane to speed past a traffic jam. After a chase in excess of a hundred miles per hour, the deputy pulled the car over near the I-75 Corkscrew Road exit. The driver leapt from his car, pulled the deputy from his cruiser, and began savagely beating him. According to a witness, “He just kept beating him and beating him, throwing him to the ground and punching him in all different directions.”  

As the armed man continued to thrash the deputy; a civilian acted. The licensed concealed carrier ran up, yelling for the attacker to get off the officer. In the words of another witness, “The guy that protected, shot the bad guy, was a guy that pulled over on the ramp and saw the guy beating the officer. He pulled out his gun.” With the deputy yelling “shoot him, shoot him, shoot him,” the CCW carrier again order the attacker away. When the attacker did not stop his assault, the civilian fired. “I heard like three shots. He fell down on top of the police officer,” said a witness. “After a moment, the police officer rolled him back over, got on his mic, then rolled over back on the ground besides the guy.”

The injured deputy was hospitalized and later released. He was seen wearing bandages and hugging other deputies as he left the hospital. The attacker died after receiving advanced first aid alongside the freeway. Any further information on the attacker is being withheld until the man’s next of kin can be notified. The good samaritan was unhurt. The Sheriff’s Department investigation is ongoing, but the CCW carrier is not expected to be charged.     

When seconds count, a concealed carrier can be there. Well done, sir. Well done indeed.  

Gary –

Rob- I wonder if the sheriff wants us to stand by, make a phone call, and be a good witness?  Thank you for protecting the life of innocents.

Paul-

Sheriff Wayne Ivey – https://youtu.be/t7ZG8SqaqgE

Two Toughs Threaten to Kill a Tougher 73-Year-Old

Two St Louis thugs surprised a 73-year-old puttering around in his closed garage. When one robber put a gun to the homeowner’s head and forced him back, the elderly gentleman pulled his pocketed handgun and fired. News helicopter video showed Jonathan Warren (18) of Florissant, and Lonnie Middlebrook (20) of Ferguson, Missouri lying motionless by the walk-in doorway of the garage, a thick stream of blood running into the alley.  

Witnesses heard 7 or 8 shots. Police recovered two firearms at the scene, in addition to the homeowner’s. One criminal’s gun was reported stolen several days earlier by the Florissant Police Department. The initial police investigation indicated that the shooting was in self-defense and the victim was not expected to be charged with any crime. The homeowner wisely refused to discuss the shooting with the media.

The elderly gentleman is said to be devastated by the incident. The retired fireman has lived in the home for decades and is known as a “super, super nice person.” Neighbors knew he was an avid hunter, but he was never seen carrying a firearm. But he may have seen crime before; neighbors believe he has been robbed at least once. Many of his neighbors are certain the homeowner wouldn’t have opened fire unless he was in fear for his life.

POGO saves another innocent life.

Rob- One news article I read said the homeowner only fired five times.  Note that trained police only hit their target with one out of five shots.  This homeowner hit his target center of mass 5 times.

Paul – good on the homeowner for keeping quiet with the media.

Rob- There is a huge impulse to talk when we’re scared after a frightening event.

Armed Civilian Saves Stabbing Victim

A 26-year-old woman is alive today because a good man with a gun acted to save her life. Summoned by the victim’s 911 call, police arrived minutes later at a Garner, North Carolina apartment house to find the young woman collapsed and bleeding in the parking lot. Her savior stood nearby; her attacker cowered in her apartment. The victim was transported to a local hospital, as was her assailant. There, Randolph Maurice Davidson, 32, died from multiple gunshot wounds. His victim underwent emergency surgery and will likely survive, but will need to remain in the hospital for a week or more.    

“My daughter would be dead if it weren’t for (the armed neighbor),” according to the victim’s mother. The 26-year-old man was in his own apartment when he heard a woman’s screams, he grabbed his gun and went outside to help. He found Davidson using a large kitchen knife to stab the woman. That attack had started when ex-boyfriend Davidson broke into the victim’s apartment, grabbed a kitchen knife, and attempted to kill her. She escaped to the parking lot, but Davidson caught her and resumed his attack. The neighbor was forced to shoot several times in order to save her life. Mortally wounded, Davidson stumbled back into the victim’s apartment, where he was later found by police.

The neighbor was roundly praised for his actions. According to police, no charges have been filed and the neighbor is not in custody.

When seconds count, 911’s help is only minutes away. However, a civilian’s firearm was there in those deadly seconds to make every bit of difference in a young woman’s life.    

* Randolph Maurice Davidson
A CCBI Photo

Matt –

Paul – I want to contrast this with the bunker in mentality.

Another Hero Brings a Gun to a Knife Fight

A CCW holder prevented multiple murders when he used his firearm to stop and detain a madman. Daniel Williams arrived at a Cedar Falls, Iowa apartment house to find a fresh slice of hell. Adam Scott Jacobsen, 28, attacked tenant Jeffrey Miller, 62, and William’s girlfriend, Denice Bennett, 47; stabbing both with a large knife. Williams stepped out of his car, pulled his gun, and ordered Jacobsen to the ground. The suddenly sane madman complied and remained on the ground until police arrived. Williams even had the presence of mind to holster his gun before the police showed up.  

Both victims were hospitalized. Miller is in critical condition with 24 stab wounds. Apartment manager Bennett endured eight stabbings; her condition is not known at this time. CCW carrier Williams was uninjured. Jacobsen was arrested and charged with two counts of attempted murder. The judge had set his bond at $1 million before the knifeman was hospitalized for medical and psychiatric treatment. The prosecutor thoughtfully requested paper restraining orders to prohibit Jacobsen from contacting his victims. The Chief Public Defender then asked the court to put everything on hold because of serious concerns about Jacobsen’s competency.

      Jacobsen’s competency was well known to the legal system. His last run-in with the law came when he attacked a woman tenant in another hotel he was staying at.  He hit, choked and threw her to the ground hard enough to knock her out. He later left voicemail messages threatening to beat her, rape her, and kill her and her children. For those acts he was convicted of a misdemeanor assault causing bodily injury and first-degree harassment, and sentenced to not more than two years in prison. However, he was soon back on the streets; credited with time served and paroled. There was no mention of any court appointed treatment for his obvious mental condition. In a recent rambling Facebook screed worthy of a tenured Urban Studies professor, he stated; “Yeah I’m (expletive deleted) crazy, bipolar scizo. Yeah I have thoughts of hurting myself and others.” Chillingly, he bragged about committing murders and not getting caught – and never, ever getting caught for his future murders.

The lesson here is clear: carry every day. You never know when you’ll meet with an “(expletive deleted) crazy” who’s been kicked free by the legal system to spread his insanity and horror amongst the public.  

POGO. POGO hard!

Adam Jacobsen

Booking Photo

Pizza Hut and the Decline of Western Civilization Very early in a Charlotte, North Carolina morning, three violent, armed criminals burst into a Pizza Hut restaurant. An employee reacted to the deadly situation with his legally possessed concealed weapon. The employee fired at an invader; fatally wounding 28-year-old Michael Grace. His two accomplices left Grace to die on the restaurant floor; they fled and have not been located. There were no customers in the closed for the night restaurant and none of the workers were harmed.

Pizza Hut placed the employee on leave pending completion of the official investigation. Pizza Hut’s corporate policy on employees carrying firearms varies by franchise location, and the specifics of the Charlotte franchise are not known at this time. Grace’s weapon was recovered at the scene; other facts support the contention of self-defense. As of now, police have not determined if the employee will face any charges. “The investigation is still ongoing,” a statement from CMPD read, “any new information will be released by Public Affairs.”

The parents of Michael Grace showed no such restraint, calling for the employee to be immediately jailed. “Why in the hell did this guy have a gun?” demanded Temia Hairston, the mother of the deceased Grace. “If there was to be a death, it was not the place of the employee at Pizza Hut. That is the place of law enforcement.” While admitting his son’s crime, Michael Grace Sr. said; “Even a criminal has a right, to a degree.”

A parent’s grief is certainly understandable. However, in a videoed interview, the angry parents stretched the bounds of reality. Excusing their son’s criminal actions, they said he had fallen on hard times and resorted to crime to provide for his own child. “It was an act of desperation, but I do not believe that Michael would have hurt anyone.” Hairston even said the shooting may have been personal, alleging past conflicts with restaurant employees. “This wasn’t a body shot. This was a head shot. My son was shot in the left side of his head just behind his ear. A head shot is personal,” opined Hairston. As if any shot isn’t ultimately personal.

Grace’s parents conveniently ignored the fact that their son had a deadly weapon in hand during the commission of a violent robbery. A reasonable man would have probably believed that all the elements of justifiable self-defense action were there: the ability, opportunity and intent to cause great bodily harm. Given that, there is no one to blame for their son’s death but their son. It’s all too easy to imagine a plaintiff attorney whispering those falsehoods, half truths, excuses and allegations; filling the ears of the parents with outrage and promises of large monetary awards.   

Many self-defense instructors warn about the civil lawsuit phase of a defensive shooting. Relatives who haven’t spoken to the deceased in decades may suddenly feel a deep, personal loss. A loss that could only be healed by a large amount of cash. The lawful concealed carrier should be aware of this unfortunate reality. Options in education, planning, and self-defense insurance should certainly be pursued.

Forewarned is forearmed.

Paul

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion

I had sent you several emails regarding the election. I never thought he had a chance at winning the electoral college. You guys were right, and I was wrong! The first time I thought you guys might be right was when the lines were longer than I’ve ever seen here in small town PA. I did my part and voted for trump even though I don’t personally like the guy.

So now we have the house, senate, presidency, and most of the governors, at least for two years. We need to keep the pressure on to get some of our rights back.

Thanks for all you do, and keep up the great work.

Neil  

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Can Trump Protect Gun Owners with His Phone and His Pen?

-Republican Politicians Have to Deliver.. or “You’re Fired”

Miscalculations of the 2016 Elections

-Not Quite Ready for Concealed Carry was posted at 2nd Call Defense.

Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

Gary- We’d like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, Rachel, Susan,Charlotte, and Rob,  Until the next time…

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

Charlotte: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 392 – We’re Back!

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/392.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- Election coverage

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Saturday, November 5th  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: We have to talk about elephant in the livingroom.. Or is that the ass in the whitehouse.  We’ll comment on the upcoming elections.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about how the US isn’t the most violent country on earth.

Charlotte: We talk about the former attorney general of PA getting led out of a courtroom… in handcuffs.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a restraining order that is a piece of paper that doesn’t stop bullets .. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 392 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Carried every day.  I’ve been investigating local ranges that rent handguns.

John – The most important thing I did this past week was vote. Barb and I voted this past Sat morning. We voted pro-gun down the line. In other news, I was a guest on the AR-15 Podcast along with Michael from the Competitive Rifle Podcast. We discussed the election, who we thought would win, and what would be the outcome under either Trump or Hillary. I will also be a guest this afternoon on GunFreedom Radio. Other than that, the only “gun related” stuff I did was place a couple of ammo orders. I wanted to avoid the feeding frenzy if, god forbid, Hillary wins. You can’t be too prepared. Gary, you’ve talked about defensive ammo in the past. What are your current recommendations?

Lucky Gunner Self-Defense Ammo tests.

Gary-

Charlotte-

Paul: LOTS of driving and starting to move our household.  I guest co-hosted with Rob on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio.  (laura carno, chris cerino, sean mahoney)

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2- News 1

You will take what the Dictator gives you, and like it!

On November 4, Newsweek published a rather disturbing article.  It provides one of the possible strategies that could be used by President Clinton to strip you of your Constitutionally protected rights.  Even Newsweek admits that Clinton has clearly stated her gun control agenda.  Her “public position” appears “reasonable” and “moderate,” while her “private position” is far more Draconian.  

Of course, one might expect President Clinton to begin this attack through the use of executive orders.  The only problem is that President Obama has overused that tactic to the point where such measures may be ineffective in the near term.  The strategy outlined by Newsweek involves the use of appointments to the Supreme Court and the ATF.  Of course, we all heard Mrs. Clinton state that she believes the Court got it wrong on the Heller decision.  So, it is just a matter of slipping through a liberal justice to overturn this decision and remove an individual right to keep and bear arms.  Isn’t it funny how Roe v. Wade must be treated as settled law, but Heller is up for grabs?  Dictators gonna dictate.  Congress becomes irrelevant.  

The second prong in this attack was suggested by Representative Etsy (D-CT).  She stated President Clinton could stack the leadership of the ATF and CDC.  The purpose of this is propaganda driven.  It would allow for a revised interpretation of the Dickey Amendment, which limits research into gun-related violence.  

It is our hope that hearing the words “President Clinton” several times will motivate you to do everything you can to stop this from happening.  Our representative republic has never been so overtly jeopardized.

Rob-  I wrote about Clinton disarming america at- “President Clinton’s Gun-Free America”

John – The control of the administrative agencies is critical.

Paul – I like the sound of Inmate Clinton rather than President Clinton

Gary-

Rob- Gut and amend-
Gary- Mike Bost

Rob- war of government vs government

Paul-

Rob-

Apprentice – Campaign Edition

The free enterprise system is alive and well at another packed Trump rally in Hershey, Pennsylvania.  A young woman, only identified as Ariel, realized there were more people at the rally than could possibly fit into the venue.  So, she sold some paper targets to those who couldn’t make it into the rally.  The targets were reasonably priced at two for $5.  A picture of Mrs. Clinton’s face adorned the target with the tag line, “Chipping away at your Gun Rights Since 1993, Killary Rotten Clinton.”  She earned $3,750 in just two hours!

Of course, Twitter was ablaze with indignation from the usual suspects.  Of course, they are silent when it is revealed that Democrats pay people to incite actual violence at Trump events.

Ariel, You’re Hired!

John – We had something similar in NC except it was Sen. Richard Burr.

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Pennsylvania AG sentenced and cuffed in courtroom  Former Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane was hand picked for her position and heavily funded by the Clinton political establishment.   She was being groomed to run for the Senate.  That has changed.. Probably, now that Ex Attorney General Kane was sentenced and lead from the courtroom in handcuffs.  She was sentenced to 10 to 23 months for two felony counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and seven misdemeanor charges.  She also received 8 years of probation.  Kane did not testify at her trial.  She resigned in August.

Kane joined the clinton campaign in 2007.  She ran for state attorney general in 2012.  She won with the help of the Clinton  establishment.. And a 2 million dollar contribution from her husband’s trucking firm.  Kane took office in 2013 and divorced her husband in 2014.

Prosecutors said that Kane’s paranoia ruined morale in the 800-person prosecutor’s office as well as the wider law enforcement community.  Kane damaged relationships between Pennsylvania Federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies.

“Through a pattern of systemic firings and Nixonian espionage, she created a terror zone in this office,” said Erik Olsen, a career prosecutor who’s now the chief deputy attorney general.

Bloomberg is also funding Kane’s replacement, Josh Shapiro. Mr. Shapiro is a former Pennsylvania State Representative and is the current chairman of the Montgomery County (PA) Board of Commissioners. Shapiro is the Democratic nominee for Attorney General of Pennsylvania.

Comment – John – I understand Bloomberg put up about $600K for her election. He’s only spending $250K on Shapiro – that is still 1 out 9 dollars invested in the AG campaign for both Dems and Reps.

Gary –

Paul -I wonder who her ex is going to vote for?

John – It’s about power.

Stolen guns from Coast to Coast-  Criminals don’t care about background checks and gun laws.  Thieves took hundreds of guns from a store in Longs, South Carolina.  The thieves struck as most residents took shelter from Hurricane Matthew.  About 225 guns were stolen from Five Star Guns.  Store owner Daniel Honeycutt thinks the crime was planned in advance. Honeycutt said a wall filled with AR-style rifles was completely stripped and gun cases were smashed to pieces. Shattered glass was scattered throughout the shop.  http://www.guns.com/2016/10/13/over-200-guns-stolen-from-sc-gun-shop-during-hurricane-matthew-video/

The problem of stolen firearms isn’t confined to the east coast.  Some 10 thousand guns are stolen each year in California.  Each year, over 150 of the stolen firearms come from California law enforcement agencies.  California politicians propose to make vulnerable Californian’s more vulnerable by requiring that honest citizens lock up their guns.

Rob- That is a great step backwards.

Paul- looking at the west coast thefts… I thought only police and military should have guns

Rob- Locking up a gun.. Like they required in the Heller case?

Gary- Gun Quotes- More: Those who are capable of tyranny are capable of perjury to sustain it.  Lysander Spooner

Roundtable on Presidential Election

Who do you think will win?

Charlotte-

Paul – Trump in a landslide

Rob-  Clinton steals the election while the Obama Department of Justice looks the other way.

Gary-

Rob- that is a feature, not a fault

John-

Rob-

What do you think will happen for gun owners if Hillary wins?

Paul – Supreme Court of the United States/Justices/Age/

83 years (March 15, 1933)

Ruth Bader Ginsburg

68 years (June 23, 1948)

Clarence Thomas

62 years (June 25, 1954)

Sonia Sotomayor

61 years (January 27, 1955)

John Roberts

78 years (August 15, 1938)

Stephen Breyer

56 years (April 28, 1960)

Elena Kagan

66 years (April 1, 1950)

Samuel Alito

80 years (July 23, 1936)

Anthony Kennedy

Rob- You will not live long enough to see the Clinton disaster set right.

John –

Gary –  

What do you think the impact will be if Trump wins?

Rob- Trump tries to trim the administrative state, and gets opposition from both the Republicans and Democrats.

John – Establishment will be aghast. Courts are a win for us.

Gary –

Paul – I have heard time and again “we need an outsider” Trump is THE quintessential outsider

Charlotte – Trump’s traction is spreading.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with defensive gun use.

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Mini-Mart Shoot-Out

The clerk of a Fort Lauderdale mini-mart was shot in the face by a vicious criminal. However, because the clerk had a gun, he was able to end the attack and survive. Surveillance video shows a man in a fright mask and skeleton gloves immediately sticking a gun in the clerk’s face and vaulting over the counter. As the clerk ran out of the video frame, he was closely followed by the gun-waving attacker. Almost immediately, the thug was back in view and falling to the floor, his gun skittering several feet away. He laid stunned for several seconds, then pulled the mask off, shakily got to his feet, and stumbled back the way he came. However, he left a pool of blood on the floor. The clerk had connected with several shots to the chest.

Curtis Sanders, 30, was later arrested and taken to the hospital where he was listed in stable condition. As could be expected, Sanders was a career criminal, having served five years on four burglary and two grand theft convictions. Counts of armed robbery, attempted murder, and possession of a firearm by a convicted felon will be added to his already considerable rap sheet.

Thankfully, the clerk’s injuries were not life-threatening, even though he had to be hospitalized. It is very likely his use of the gun saved him from additional injuries or even death at the hands of the violent criminal. We should note that the felon took several center mass hits and was still able to shake them off and make good his escape. Listeners should be aware of the ability of the human body of overcome trauma, at least in the short term. Shape your post-shooting response accordingly.  

Rob- Not carrying on body.  When seconds count, your gun should not be several seconds away.

John – It is amazing what a burst of adrenaline will do.

Gary – Your gun is not a magic talisman, you need to learn other self-defense skills

Paul – Just because you have been shot doesn’t mean that you are out of the fight

Winning the Limp to 911

A quiet night’s slumber was interrupted by the sounds of breaking glass in a Topeka, Kansas home. Startled, the woman homeowner grabbed her 9mm and left the safety of her bedroom to investigate. (Cue the horror movie music. Investigating an intrusion is NOT a good idea.) She found her neighbor, the aptly named Bruce Jolly, disarming her security system. There could be only one possible explanation, so she shot Jolly in the arm and hip.  

The no longer Jolly escaped, giving the homeowner time to win the race to 911. Jolly himself called 911, claiming he was the victim of a shooting and was hiding at a neighbor’s house. Police kindly picked him up, took him to the hospital, — and then arrested him. Hardly unexpectedly, police found drugs in Jolly’s system. The homeowner later opined; “The drugs were what allowed him to survive the shot because it was a hollow tip.” Seems there’re a lot of things Methed up in Topeka. In the jury trial, Jolly was convicted of aggravated burglary and given a sentence of less than five years. It came out in the trial that the intruder had a machete while in the house, causing the homeowner to correctly wonder what could have happened if she didn’t have a gun.

The woman says she has learned a lot from her Jolly encounter and hopes others do too. “You don’t have to have a conceal and carry to have a gun in your home, and why wouldn’t you want to protect yourself? In this, we certainly agree with her.  

Gary- Don’t investigate a bump in the night.  Let the police do that.

Paul- Let’s please get some training.

Rob- Clearing a house scares me to death.  What do our listeners think?

Long Distance Violation of Restraining Orders
A distance of twenty five hundred miles meant nothing to a jilted lover. The multiple restraining orders offered no more protection than the paper they were printed on. The victim’s panicked 911 call failed to immediately bring the cops. What made a difference was a gun in good hands when the stalker burst into the expensive home and opened fire.


The trendy San Francisco suburb of Los Altos Hills was the scene of the potential multiple killing. A woman had fled there to escape the attentions of William Brady III, 43, of Georgia. Brady found her in California, and walked up to the home armed with a handgun. His approach was seen, and while the woman frantically dialed 911, her male relative armed himself.  

Brady knocked down the door and immediately began shooting at the three occupants. The male resident returned fire, hitting Brady several times, forcing him from the home. Deputies, backed by a SWAT Team and an armored vehicle, arrived many minutes later to arrest the wounded Brady. When he is released from the hospital, the ex will be charged with attempted murder. Neither the woman, nor her relatives were injured. Police say the shooting was an obvious case of self-protection. Even near Baghdad by the Bay, the armed homeowner will not be charged with any crime.

The woman should be thankful that when distance, restraining orders and 911 calls all failed, her relative had the tools to successfully defend her life. Tools that trendy San Francisco progressives are trying to eliminate from the hands of law-abiding citizens.

Rob-  Hard to get a ccw in California.  

John – It is as if the politicians assume that you will become a sniper shooting an intruder at hundreds of yards.

Charlotte – Been there – Done that

Gary –

Paul – I LOVE the fact that none of the victims will not be charged. If I remember the story correctly the defender used a shotgun

Rob- They

Crime and Punishment at Frisko Freeze

An armed man threatened two others in a car at a Tacoma, Washington burger stand — and paid with his life. Witnesses heard three or four gunshots, followed by more shots 30 seconds later. The gunfire had employees ducking behind the milkshake machine and patrons fleeing the parking lot. A “friend” (in most states that would be an accomplice) drove Terry Webb, 26, to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead. A woman has been arrested, but her role in the attack has not been released.

The investigation is proceeding, but Officer Loretta Cool, of the Tacoma Police Department, has already said the victim was right to carry his weapon and to defend himself. Tacoma police, in their role as armed historians, used a new tool to create a 360-degree scan of the area and develop a computerized model of the scene. Police have released little other official information. The armed citizen was not arrested, and it is not expect that the victim will face any charges as it seems a clear case of self-defense.  

Even in the parking lot of a landmark burger stand, trouble can find you. it’s important to always be armed. Having the foresight to carry his firearm might have saved a man and his friend from injury or death.

POGO. Now more than ever.

Gary –

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Listener e-mail discussion

I find it worth noting that we are lucky to be having the discussion about a Permit to Carry holder being too restrained versus the opposite. This took place at a Walmart in St. Cloud not too long after a legitimate knife wielding terrorist attack injuring 8 or so. In light of that you would predict people would be fearful and much more trigger prone.
-Clayton

Thanks to this and other podcasts I have been listening to for the past few years, I found myself knowingly increasing my threat level the other evening.

We were out to dinner at a small Chinese restaurant.  I was sitting such that I was facing the front where the counter is.  This is where you would pay your bill or would pick up takeout.  The doorway was to my right, separated by a low wall that allowed me to see anyone entering from the shoulders and up.  A man walked in wearing a hoodie with the hood up even though the outside temperature was near 80 degrees.  That was the first thing that got my attention.

My mind started planning and considering options: 1) where is the nearest exit?  2) what can the expression on the face of the employee serving this guy tell me (we were facing each other)?, 3) is my handgun in a good position for a draw?, 4) where would I have to be to get a clear shot without endangering others?, 5) is there a danger to anyone in the business next door?

As it turned out, the guy was just in the mood for Chinese.

Kick it around ladies and gentlemen.  Give us all more to think about, please.

Stay safe.

Carl

Rob- Good work, Carl.  You’re thinking things through ahead of time.

Paul – I like the thinking that Carl is doing. I try to do this in all public places from time to time

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

There is a news blackout on Hillary Clinton’s crimes.  The FBI investigation goes unreported on the big three networks.  I wrote about the little people who took down hillary clinton and refused to be silent.  LIttle people like the New York vice squad and FBI evidence technicians.  That article is called “Revolt of the little people.”  Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  And at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

There are two blog posts I’d like to highlight. The first features some good news. According to a recent Gallup poll, over 60% of Americans would oppose a new assault weapons ban. This is an all-time high and quite a change as it is a reverse of where it was in year 2000. The second post highlights some news out of the Obama Administration that should anger everyone. Listeners may remember that the VA reports any vet who needs help managing his or her finances to the FBI’s NICS check system as a prohibited person. This case involves a vet who manages his own finances and was secretly put on a finance watch list that still led him to be denied when he went to purchase a firearm. The VA isn’t Dean Wormer with his double secret probation. It is an agency that should give the vets it supposedly helps due process.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Gary- We’d like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, Rachel, Susan,Charlotte, and Rob,  Until the next time…

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.