Episode 261 – Kyle Bacon

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 16th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have Kyle Bacon of the Search and Assess Podcast with us tonight.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Gary: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 261 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – I was in a loaner truck this week as my regular truck had some MAJOR repairs needed. I wish that I had known that it was going to die on Sunday as I basically took the day off to enjoy with my wife. I didn’t edit the podcast, instead I thought that I would find the time to do the editing and uploading of the show when I had some downtime during the week.

The truck that I got for a loaner truck didn’t have AC power and I had to rely on a tiny power inverter that I use for charging cell phones in my pickup. My laptop that I use for the show totally overwhelmed the inverter and I wasn’t able to power up and edit the show.

Rob – I met with an instructor for some more teaching instruction. Other than that I shot dry fire.

John – I picked up my Ruger Security Six revolver on Monday from my local dealer. It is a 2 ¾” stainless .357 Magnum with nice checkered grips.
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Paul – Tonight I want to talk a bit about 2 stories that seem extremely dissimilar however I promise that I will tie them together at the end so please bear with me. Many of you know that I am a NASCAR fan. Last weekend, right about the time that we were wrapping up recording the weekend show there was a horrible accident at a race track in rural upstate New York. A young local race car driver was killed in this accident. Now not to sound crass, however this is something that happens about once a month during racing season somewhere in the United States. Racing is a dangerous sport by it’s very nature, and sometimes racers give their lives in pursuit of the sport that they love. Two things are a little unusual about this incident. First is that the young man who died, 20 year old Kevin Ward, was out of his race car and walking on the track. Second is that the car that hit him was driven by three time champion and  NASCAR superstar Tony Stewart.

The media climbed all over this and was all but calling Tony Stewart a murderer. Video of the wreck played over and over on ESPN showing (in poor taste in my opinion) the death of this young man.  Even in sports media the fix was in pushing hard on Mr Stewart. What wasn’t right about this was this, it truly was an accident. If you were to watch the video of the incident you can see that the young racer, clearly upset, gets out of his race car and approaches oncoming traffic from the right side. The sprint cars that these racers were driving on this dirt track have extremely limited visibility on the right hand side. there is no way that at the angle that the young racer approached Stewart that he could have been seen.

In all but the media that is dedicated to racing, Stewart was vilified. A small group of media that covers racing full time tried valiantly to point out the situation, and even though the local sheriff’s office repeatedly stated that although the investigation is ongoing it looked as though there was no criminal intent and that no criminal charges looked to be filed, the media smelled blood in the water and went after Stewart with vicious intensity.

How does this relate to anything we talk about on the podcast on a regular basis you might ask? Well also about the time that we were wrapping up the weekend show last week another thing happened in Ferguson, Missouri. In this event 2 young males walked in to a convenience store and committed a strong arm robbery. they stole about $50 in cigars and assaulted a clerk. When a police officer contacted the 2 males there was a struggle and at least one shot was fired inside the officer’s police cruiser and one of the males died. Once again in this example there were a couple of things that made this story exceptional . First there were witnesses that claimed that the young man “had his hands up” and second because the police force is a majority caucasian force and the young male was black it was an easy story to insert race into.

I listened to reports of both incidents on satellite radio as I drove this week. The initial reports of the Ferguson story stated that when the officer (who has been named by the police department but out of our respect for the officer we will not name) approached 2 young men and attempted to get out of his car the 2 men attacked him pushing him back into his car and attempting to get his gun from him.  However once riots began all reporting that attempted to produce facts in the mainstream media died away almost instantly.

Now let’s look a little bit at the “witnesses”. One was the cousin of the deceased. The other was known to the deceased. Do you think that they might have a little bit of a case to make up a story? I heard that ONCE in a broadcast on satellite radio and then never again. This includes listening to what I would call fairly reliable news sources such as Fox News and BBC America.

In both stories I think everyone involved would have been much better served by a reporting of the facts and an plea to allow a true investigation to reveal the facts in the case. Unfortunately we got neither. I haven’t heard any reports of fatalities in the Ferguson area and that is a good thing, What I have seen is a display of a militarized police force that is very good at escalating the situation and a community that has been whipped into a frenzy at least in part due to inaccurate reporting.

Where I am going with these 2 stories is this PLEASE be careful where you get your news. Look for multiple sources and look for inconsistencies. I am sure that back in the days of Walter Cronkite that the tools were not available that we have now to do our own research and to find things as quickly as we can, however that is one of the blessings that we have now.

I can state as the owner and executive producer of the podcast that we do make every effort to be sure that the news that we present to you is accurate. I am very appreciative to all of you who listen to us for news and commentary. We will continue to do our best to get you the best information we can, and with your help sending us links and opinions in email I know that we will not fall prey to the “get the story quick to get listeners” disorder that seems to have fallen on the mainstream media,

Rob- Journalists sell the excitement of a headline.  There should be more to the news.  It isn’t clear if the news crews care what really happened on the street so long as they get and keep eyes on their advertisements. Armed civilians with a badge versus unarmed unbadged civilians.

Paul- There were riots in Ferguson, Missouri after a teenager was shot by a policeman.  There was also looting and buildings burnt to the ground.  After that, firearms sales in local gun shops increased by 5 to 10 fold.  Local citizens became concerned for their own safety when local convenience stores were burned down.  Citizens are buying everything from handguns, to rifles, to shotguns.  People who already own firearms were back go buy ammunition.  Customers who normally save up and pay with cash were putting the purchases on their credit cards.  One gun-store owner put it this way.  The good news is  that people are taking personal responsibility for their own well-being.  Citizens are admitting that even the best law enforcement can’t be everywhere for everybody.  It is also sad that we need to protect ourselves from our neighbors.

John – comment – they are even buying AR-15s for home defense even though Judge Catherine Blake said they had no use for home defense. Could it be that these people know something she doesn’t?

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John-  Police face a difficult job.  That job may be impossible in some of our larger cities.  A gang member describes the streets of New York.  Families are broken.  Working citizens and shopkeepers are harassed and disarmed by the city.  When he looks around, the only figures with any power are the armed drug gangs.  The kids on the street have figured out that only the fools obey the law.  That attitude is the result of failed economic and social policies.  That attitude will lead to high rates of violent crime, and it isn’t a problem that law enforcement can fix.

Rob Comment- I can relate to that, because my local government is seems like it is never out to help me, only to regulate and tax me.

John- In Washington DC, an off duty detective was shot in an attempted hijacking.  Another officer was shot during the search for suspects.  The municipal policy of disarming the citizens without a badge means criminals never fear their victims.. even if they victims are off duty police.

67 people were shot this week in Chicago.  New York City has stopped posting statistics on its shootings and murders.

Rob Commnet- Is that the most transparent administration on the east coast?

Gary- Mario Alejandro, 33, of Woodbridge, New Jersey is a Marine.  He served in the 2003 invasion of Iraq.  Last week he wore a T-shirt saying, “Keep Calm and Return Fire.”  Above the lettering was a modern rifle colored in red, white and blue.  Mr. Alejandro was stopped by a security guard at Six Flags amusement park because of his shirt.  The guard asked him to remove his shirt or buy a shirt and put it on to cover his T-shirt.  Mr Alejandro refused the request.  The guard checked with park management and then insisted Mr. Alejandro leave the park.

Alejandro said no veteran deserves the same treatment he encountered.  Quote “I fought for this country.  I laid in a hole for 36 hours with no sleep, and had friends die for this country and so the people here could have the freedom to [do] things like visit amusement parks. So when they told me that I couldn’t come in there with my family because of my shirt — a patriotic shirt — it hurt a lot. No other veteran should ever have to experience that.”  Six Flags entertainment operates 17 amusement parks. You can contact them here from the link in our show notes.

Rob- These words, “common sense gun-control”, they do not mean what you think they mean.  Our example of the day is from Representative Gabby Giffords.  She proposed a five step plan to stop gun violence.  Here are a few of her ideas-

Idea Two: “Authorize law enforcement to remove access to guns, with court oversight and plenty of protections to prevent abuse of this authority.” The owner of the guns would “only” get them back once he or she was “no longer a danger to themselves or others.”

Idea Three: “Require schools, including colleges and universities, to report violent or suicidal people to a court or administering agency.” These people would also have their firearms confiscated, but “could regain their firearms access…after a certain period of time.”

Idea Four: “Allow courts to issue ‘Gun Violence Restraining Orders.’” These result in temporary gun confiscation.

Idea Five: “Temporarily ban those who have been involuntarily hospitalized from purchasing or possessing firearms.”

I did not hear her mention mandatory reporting of the mentally ill by the county and state to the federal NICS system.  According to Giffords, common sense gun-control means confiscation.  You know, given the way most elected legislators act, they should be disarmed for mental illness.

Paul- Any of us with children know that kids take better care of their own toys than they do of other children’s toys.  It looks like the police in Des Plaines, Illinois have lost some of the AR style rifles they were given from the Defense Department.   The Des Plaines Police Department could be facing a federal investigation into the disappearance of two semi-automatic rifles.  Police Chief William Kushner admitted he doesn’t know where the two M-16A1 rifles went.  The weapons were given to the department in 2002 as part of a federal program to equip law enforcement agencies with military surplus weapons, and to help combat terrorism and drugs.  An internal audit required by the Defense Department failed to locate the two rifles earlier this year.  Chief Kushner, who took over as chief two years ago, said poor bookkeeping and widespread access to the armory are to blame for the guns’ disappearance.  He expected a closer look at his records and procedures from the Law Enforcement Support Office and Defense Logistics Agency, which manage the surplus property program.

John- Two bills advanced in the Michigan Senate that advance the right of self-defense.  Bill SB 977 passed in the state Senate, and helps active duty military maintain their Michigan Concealed Pistol License.  Many active duty Michigan citizens were losing their CPL because they could not apply for renewals in person.  The bill requires county clerks to accept applications and return renewals by first class mail.  This would also allow deployed military personnel to carry off base if their duty station has reciprocity with Michigan.

The next bill, SB 979, passed in the Senate Judiciary Committee by a 3 to 1 vote.  The bill realigned Michigan’s definition of “firearm” with the federal definition; such that “firearm” would be redefined to mean “any weapon which is designed to, or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by action of an explosive.” SB 979 also creates a separate definition for air guns. It also preempts local units of government from regulating air guns and spring guns on private property where authorization is given by the owner and the possessor takes precautionary measures to ensure that the projectile remains within the bounds of the property.

Both bills will be taken up when the legislature reconvenes in September.

Comment- It is probably worth calling your legislator’s office.

Rob- Here is more state news.  Governor Deval Patrick signed bills into law that further regulate long gun in Massachusetts.  The bills require Massachusetts citizens to receive permission from their police chief before they may purchase a long gun.  The bill requires that the chief appear in court to explain his denial of a Firearms Owners Identification Card.  It does not establish what constitutes good cause for denial or acceptance.  That means a potential gun owner must be willing to go to court to buy a gun.

The governor invited gun control activists to the signing ceremony and did not invite groups like the Massachusetts Gun Owners Action League.

Gary- Moving down to Connecticut, state Senate Minority Leader John McKinney lost his bid for the Republican candidacy to face Democrat Governor Dan Malloy in November. Senator McKinney was one of the architects of Connecticut’s restrictive 2013 gun laws.  Business man Tim Foley beat the incumbent senator by 11 percentage points.   Foley publicly supported citizens’ rights to bear arms.  Tens of thousands of Connecticut gun owners helped support Foley and helped get out the vote in this low turnout primary.  They lifted Foley to victory in all but one CT county.

Paul- Moving over to Minnesota.. You might remember last October when the National Football League issued a “no guns” policy at their events.  The Dallas Cowboys immediately announced that they would not obey that policy.  Now a judge has struck down the policy for off-duty Minnesota police officers.  Two police organizations challenged the rule, arguing that NFL policy cannot preempt state law. Police groups argued that even off-duty officers need to be armed at Vikings games, to protect themselves and the public.  The judge’s ruling applies only in Minnesota.

 

Comment- Why are citizens with badges at greater risk than citizens without badges?

 

Rob- Just when you thought that police officers were allowed to carry everywhere, we get to talk about Dallas, Texas.  Employees at the AMC 30 Theaters in Mesquite saw a police officer’s gun when the officer bent down to pick up a ticket he dropped.  The officer showed his badge and offered to show his ID, but the theater manager asked him to leave.  It seems we have not learned a thing from the Aurora Colorado murders in a gun free zone.

Gun Quotes -Paul- “In a perfect world, you wouldn’t need guns. This is not a perfect world.” – Sheriff Ben Johnson, Volusia (VO-LUSHA) County, Florida

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

Segment 3 Interviews
Kyle Bacon of the Search and Assess Podcast
Hand to hand is as old as man.  I study Kungfu.  Stay on your feet.

Segment 4 DGUs

John – A Jacksonville, Florida man and woman are in stable condition after a shootout with a home invader on Friday morning. A child in the house at the time was unharmed. The suspect, 21 yo Trevel Yates, however is dead.

The pair had just woken up when they heard a loud noise of someone breaking in the back door, Sgt. Michael Paul reported. The 50-year-old man fought with Yates and was hit several times with a blunt object. The man retrieved a firearm and exchanged gunfire with the suspect. The 60-year-old woman also got a gun and shot at the suspect.

WWRS?  What would Rachel Say.  Carry all the time or guess right.

Rob- A Visalia man is dead after being shot by a woman inside her home, Visalia police said Thursday morning.  The shooting took place after the woman had been attacked by a man she knew, police said.  46-year-old Albert Pena was declared dead at Kaweah Delta Medical Center about an hour later, Sgt. Damon Maurice said.  The woman, whose name was not released, was also injured and was taken to the hospital where she was treated and released… She and Pena were in a relationship and got into an altercation in which Pena assaulted her several times, police said.  While being assaulted, she got a gun from inside the home and shot Pena several times, police said.  She was not arrested and cooperated with police, Maurice said.  The case, which police said appeared to be self-defense, will be forwarded to the Tulare County [CA] District Attorney’s Office for review.

Gary- This Huntsville, Alabama home invader must have thought a life of crime would be easy. However, when the person he attempted to rob responded with his own firearm early Sunday morning, the unidentified home invader beat feet. Not only did he flee but he dropped both his gun and wallet as he was exiting.

Paul- This is the kind of DGU I like.  Four women were sitting outside at a Tacoma, Washington wine bar.  51 year old Robert Anthony Rashe brushed up against their table, and one of the women asked him to step back.  Rashe flipped over their table and hit the women in the mouth, knocking lose one of her teeth.  A male customer saw the fight from inside the wine bar.  He stepped outside and told Rashe to leave the women alone.  Rushe pulled out a 12-inch-long knife and walked toward the man.  An employee of the wine bar saw the group frozen in place and facing Rashe.  Rashe held the knife in a fighting stance.  The employee pulled his concealed handgun.  He then ordered Rashe to drop the knife and lie on the ground. The police found Rashe held at gunpoint when they arrived.  Rashe was charged with two counts of second-degree assault, and one count of third-degree malicious mischief.

Rob-  No shots fired, and don’t bring a gun to a knife fight.

John- They are lucky Rashe was a crazy amatur.  A trained professional with a knife could have cut all of them.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob- This is from one of our listeners. He said, “Remember those “I am Trayvon” T-shirts? You know what we need? How about some T-shirts that say, “I am Shaneen”.

Ken S. from Phoenix in the Free State of Arizona.

Gary-
Here is an E-mail from TJ
Hey Paul,
Thanks for the talk on the show.
I guess I worded my last sentence wrong. It’s not necessarily that I think we shouldn’t have the 2 parties that we do, I just hate that, for the most part, we are almost forced into one or the other because, as you mentioned, it’s really the only way to make change. It’s just a conundrum when you have to vote for someone that disagrees with something you are for, based on the fact that they are for 80% of the rest of your views, or you could vote for someone that agrees 100% with you (I know, not gonna happen), but by doing that you are basically just wasting your vote.

Thanks Paul,
TJ

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about the judge’s decision outlawing modern rifles in Maryland.  The judge says  modern rifles are too lethal for civilians who don’t wear a badge.  She said modern rifles are only used for assault, and not used for defense.. yet, according to the judge, it is permissible that civilians with a badge carry these same modern rifles.  The judge is wrong.  The articles are up at ammoland and the SlowFacts blog.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 260 – John Lott

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, August 13th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Doctor John Lott about his recent conference covering Concealed Carry on Campus
Rob: we have our weekly self-defense news and stories of defensive gun use.
John So climb aboard,
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on! Episode 260 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- I had to leave the last episode early.  I was a line coach for an event with 40 new shooters.  The San Diego Young Republicans had a “firearms, alcohol and tobacco night.  The event was written up and posted to Brietbart California.  They had a good time.  I heard “Ooo, I like that!” at the range AND at the bar.

John-  They always said the ATF should be a party, not a government agency.

Rob- I also booked my flight to Chicago for the Gun Rights Policy Conference.  I was a little disappointed at the hotel.  I thought the hotel could manage a room for four guys, but they can’t.

John – Having listened to Rob give reports on dry firing with his SIRT pistol for many months now, I knew I wanted a SIRT pistol but I didn’t want the Glock model. I now have a SIRT 107 Beta on the way to me. It is the pre-release model of the SIRT shaped like a Smith and Wesson M&P. I’ve been waiting for them to release the M&P model for a long time and my prayers have been answered!

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John – Four Chicago Police Officers were charged with reckless neglect in the line of duty.  The police were standing next to Mr. Vaughn when another man called out angrily to him. Vaughn picked up a stick for self-defense.  The police ordered Vaughn to drop the stick, and he did so.  The other man then ran to Vaughn and beat him to death with a baseball bat.. within feet of the police.  The police failed to protect an individual they had disarmed.  They turned a potential danger into an actual one.

Rob – If you have to point a loaded firearm at someone during a road rage incident, make sure you are a Los Angeles police officer.  The officer was photographed as she drove with her gun drawn and pointed at the drivers-side window.  The victim gave the photograph to the police and the image went viral.  I’m sure the female officer will be investigated and absolved by the LA police department’s office of internal affairs.  You or I would go to jail for the same offense.  Furthermore, police officers are three times MORE likely to commit murder than a concealed carry permit holder.

John – Chicago Police Chief Garry McCarthy said law-abiding gun owners are corrupt and endanger public safety when they lobby for their right of armed self- defense by contacting elected officials.  Chief McCarthy made his comments on the recorded radio show “Connected to Chicago”.  Chief McCarthy is the top law enforcement officer in the shrinking city of Chicago.  Chicago skews its reporting of sexual assault so it is hard to compare violence rates city to city.  Chicago’s murder rate makes it the 13 most violent city in the US as of 2012.  Where statistics are available, they show concealed carry holders are many times more law abiding than the average citizen.. and that included Chicago’s police department.

Chief McCarthy doesn’t like either the first amendment or the second amendment.

Rob- Some TV news crews are not that smart.  A Washington DC news crew had their van burglarized as they tested a new phone application that mapped bad neighborhoods.  The crew went to a bad neighborhood and interviewed the neighbors.  While they asked the neighbors if it really was a bad area, their news van was robbed of cameras, computers and a reporter’s purse.  San Francisco and Oakland news crews now have their own security team after being robbed many times.

Comment- Isn’t a Conservative simply a Liberal who’s been mugged?

John – Listener Chris Gillespie mailed in this story.  Police arrived to find four juvenile males being followed by two adults.  Earlier, the young men asked one of the adults if he was carrying.  The adult said “No.” and the young man knocked him out and robbed him.  A neighbor called police.  Two of the four juveniles were booked and taken to jail.

Chris said “This is why I am suspect of people who I don’t know asking if I carry.”

Rob- A friend of mine wrote an article in the Richmond Times Dispatch.  Gabriella Hoffman said Washington DC will be safer once the DC City Council repeals their handgun ban.  She said that if you make DC laws more like Virginia’s, you will get the lower crime rates enjoyed by the citizens of Virginia.  Virginians can both open carry and concealed carry.  Good writing, Gabriella!

John – U.S. District Judge Catherine C. Blake issued a ruling on the most popular firearms in America.  She said that AR and AK style rifles are dangerous and unusual firearms.  Therefore, the second amendment does not protect the owners of ARs and AKs from any government regulations.  The ruling applies in Maryland.  Judge Blake was appointed by President Bill Clinton. To make her ruling she relied upon junk science coming from an assortment of anti-gun academics while dismissing the fact that an AR is in common use.

Comment- The judge is doing her master’s bidding.

Rob -The times are changing.  A report carried by Buckeye Firearms points out that an insurance company promised to raise the insurance rates on a church.. because the church had not instituted an armed security team.  This is particularly interesting because some states make it a felony to carry a licensed concealed firearm into a church, while other states say nothing about it at all.  At least a few insurance companies noticed the benefits of armed self-defense!

Comment- About time.

John -There are more crazy anti-self-defense laws being proposed in California.  Bill 1609 would require a citizen who lives in two states to transfer his own firearms through a federal firearms dealer each time he moves between residences.  He would have to wait the required 10 day “cooling off period” to take possession of his own firearms when he re-enters California.  Oppose this bill and give California some love.  Contact the Firearms Policy Coalition here and give them a few clicks of the mouse.

Rob – Billionaire and former New York City Mayor MIchael Bloomberg spent a few hundred thousand dollars trying to defeat Milwaukee Sheriff David Clarke.  Bloomberg didn’t like it when Sheriff Clarke asked his citizens to train themselves for armed self-defense until his deputies arrive.  A mere hundred thousand dollars is pocket change for Bloomberg.  Outside groups spent over a half million dollars to defeat Sheriff Clarke.  That amount of money was far more than either candidate spent on their own campaign.  It wasn’t enough, and Sheriff Clarke won another four year term, winning the election by 4 percent.

Gun Quotes- John- “Men fight for liberty and win it with hard knocks. Their children, brought up easy, let it slip away again; poor fools. And their grand-children are once more slaves.” – D. H. Lawrence

Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interview with Doctor John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center

Biography-  Dr Lott earned a PhD in economics from UCLA.  He taught and did research at institutions including the Yale Law School, Stanford University, UCLA, the Wharton Business School, Texas A&M, Rice University, the United States Sentencing Commission, the University of Chicago. the State University of New York at Binghamton, the University of Maryland Foundation at the University of Maryland, and the American Enterprise Institute.  Doctor Lott also contributes to Fox News.

His books include  Uncertainty and Economic Evolution, More Guns, Less Crime, The Bias Against Guns, Straight Shooting, Freedomnomics, Obama’s War on Jobs and Growth and What We Can Do Now to Regain Our Future, and Dumbing Down the Courts: How Politics Keeps the Smartest Judges Off the Bench.  I’m sorry, Doctor, but I have to cut your biography short so we have more time for you to speak.

Dr. Lott, you just concluded your Students for Concealed Carry on Campus National Conference.  Congratulations on the conference.  How large was the event?

Could you briefly outline the major speakers and topics (an outline of the conference)

Significant statements from each speaker/panel-
College students as children vs life-long learning
John, please ask this- Will you continue the event next year?
What is holding you back, more applicants/attendees or more money?
Where can our listeners learn more about the event?
http://crimepreventionresearchcenter.org/2014/08/more-videos-from-students-for-concealed-carrycrime-prevention-research-center-conference/

Segment 4 DGUs
Comment on Lott interview.

Rob – Several men tried to break into an apartment in Garland, Texas.  They kicked in the door and were met by an armed occupant.  Both sides opened fire before most of the intruders ran away.  One of the intruders, 18 year old Michael Paxton, was motionless on the floor of the apartment.  He was transported by ambulance, but died in route due bullet wounds.  No one else was injured.  Authorities believe the occupant of the apartment did not know the intruders.

John -An armed thief stole money from an Albuquerque, New Mexico smoke shop.  The clerks didn’t resist the thief.. the first time.  The thief came back a few minutes later and was extremely angry.  He again threatened the clerks.  This time a clerk presented his firearm and shot the thief. The thief was dead at the scene by the time law enforcement arrived.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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( DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

( DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

9DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show… stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 259 – Military Surplus

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 9th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Ken Kowalski of Rimfire Podcast.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also talk with Fil Thy about military surplus rifles
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster. We have our regular news and DGUs, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 259 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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JohnsonJohn – I had planned to go to the range today to sight in a couple of rifles. However, we had tons of rain. Probably as much as Rob gets in half a year out in California.

Rob – I took one of my new students to several ranges so she could see what is out there for sport training.  She saw a steel shoot, IPSC, USPSA and an IDPA match.  That was this morning.  I have to leave the show early for a private training class tonight.  It is called an ATF event; shooting, then drinks and cigars.

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Paul- You might remember that principled man of the people, Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper.  The Governor made another unplanned confession on video.  It turns out that Colorado sheriffs often earn less than their deputies.  This is because there are separate pay scales for hourly employees and for elected officers.  Hickenlooper said he agreed the pay gap was a problem.  Hickenlooper also said his hands were tied because his big donors, his bundlers, told him not to touch this issue in an election year.

This proves that campaign money talks in Colorado, and voters get lip service from governor Hickenlooper.

John- Governor Hickenlooper also said he was for the right of self defense.. before he was against it.

Paul- There was a recent conference in Washington DC discussing concealed carry on campus.  The bad news is that many campus administrators oppose armed self-defense.  The good news is that we don’t have to speculate how young armed men and women behave.  The administrators have fears, while we.. have.. data!

There have been no reported problems with permit holders in the nine states that allow permitted concealed handguns on campuses.  Those states are Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Wisconsin.  In addition, Michigan and Texas provide data on permit revocations based on the permit holder’s age.  Experience shows that college age permit holders are as responsible or even more responsible than older permit holders.

John- Here is some perspective on that data from Florida and Texas. The rate of all crimes committed by police is about 6 times higher than the rate for concealed license holders in Texas.. and the rate is about 10 times higher than for license holders in Florida.  Much of the gun control debate focuses on things that might possibly go wrong.  Thanks to the work of Doctor John Lott at the Crime Prevention Research Center, now we know.

CC revocation by age

 

Matt- You said that Florida CCL holders are safer than Texas licence holders when compared to the police.  I looked at the data, and I can hear Rachel tell us that CCL holders from Texas are much safer than those from Michigan.  Yay Texas!

Matt- Campus administrators think they are a law unto themselves.  Boise State University in Idaho has a policy asking students and faculty to call 911 if they see a gun on campus – even if the firearm is carried legally.  Parrish Miller, a policy analyst for the Idaho Freedom Foundation, said “This is just such an outrageous policy.  We wouldn’t accept this at any other place in our society.”  Miller is concerned about the school’s insistence that students or faculty who see exposed firearms should call the police, who will then check if the weapon carrier holds the proper license.

John- I guess the school want us to call in the location of all the police on campus.  Yeah, sometimes the police wander off to the donut shop and get lost.

Paul- This story is about Maryland’s war on women.  It is easier for a Maryland business owner to get a concealed carry license because he carries cash, than for a woman to receive a license because she fears she may be attacked by an ex-lover.  More Maryland women have recently applied for state permission to own a handgun, but they are seldom allowed to carry for defense of themselves or their family.

Matt- That is bigotry against women and gun owners.

John- It looks like former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is going after any pro-gun politician he can find. Bloomberg’s anti-gun political action committee just bought $150,000 in ads to target outspoken gun rights activist Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke.  In response to the news of Bloomberg’s ads, Clarke said in a statement: “I trust the voters. The voters can’t be bought.”  The ad buys by Bloomberg’s PAC come on top of $400,000 in media ads purchased by the Greater Wisconsin Committee to try to beat Clarke, who is seeking his fourth term in Tuesday’s Democratic primary election.  Wisconsin gun owners, Sheriff Clark needs your help.

Paul – One does not need to be a Wisconsin resident to help out Sheriff Clarke. Plus this goes to show that it isn’t just Republicans who care about gun rights.

John- I dislike noisy neighbors, so this is good news.  Hunters in Florida may soon be able to shoot without waking the dead in several adjacent states.  A proposal from the Florida  Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission would allow hunters to legally use mufflers on their firearms when they hunt deer, turkey, gray squirrels, rabbits, quail and crows. Supporters say they can protect hunters’ hearing and irritation to their neighbors.  Opponents say we must muffle our vehicles so they don’t bother people, but muffled firearms are a danger to everyone because we won’t be deafened by them.  The proposal will be considered during the Commission’s meeting in September.

Paul- Firearm mufflers are required is several countries, and outlawed by some states in the US.

Paul- Can you shoot as well as a retired police officer?  The Los Angeles Police Department instituted a qualification course so they could grant concealed carry licenses to retiring officers. The course is fired at a man sized B-27 target at a distance of 7 yards.  There is no time limit to shoot the 10 round qualification.  All rounds impacting anywhere on the body and head will receive full value and rounds impacting upon the arms are half value.  A score of 70 percent is required to pass.

John- New Jersey Assemblyman Ron Dancer introduced a bill to bring some relief to gun owners traveling through New Jersey.  Quote “The sentences are mandatory. There’s no discretion with the judge or the court, no discretion, mandatory prison term.  It is unreasonable for anyone to be expected to be aware of all of the nuances of every gun law in every state.”

Dancer’s bill would give judges the option of not sending someone like Shaneen Allen to prison if the person from out of state is caught with a gun in New Jersey.

Paul- In Arizona, the police need a reason to frisk and search for firearms during a routine contact with a citizen.  The Arizona Supreme Court ruled that police cannot frisk a citizen unless they think the person is engaging in criminal behavior and is armed and dangerous.   The high court wrote that “police interactions with members of the public are inherently fluid, and what begins as a consensual encounter can evolve into a seizure that prompts Fourth Amendment scrutiny.  A reasonable person would not have felt free to disregard (the command to be frisked) from a law enforcement officer.. Officers must reasonably suspect both that criminal activity is afoot and that the suspect is armed and dangerous.”

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“God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.” – Daniel Webster

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Paul: Davion Smith is familiar with violent crime.  He had a lengthy arrest record.  The 14 year old Davion Smith was already a convicted felon with two convictions for armed robbery, a conviction for battery on a public or school employee, and a conviction for domestic burglary.  Smith and two others were taunting Virgis Canteen after Canteen accused them of robbing his apartment in Lakeland, Florida.  The argument escalated and Smith drew a handgun.  Smith is not allowed to have a handgun because of his age.  Smith is not allowed to have any firearm because of his prior criminal convictions.  Mr. Canteen was hit twice and then returned fire. The teen was pronounced dead at 8:25 p.m. at Lakeland Regional Medical Center.

Matt-The Wayne County, North Carolina, Sheriff’s Office says a woman will not face charges after shooting an alleged burglar at her home early Thursday morning. It happened around 4:30 a.m. on Providence Church Road in Goldsboro. Deputies said 28-year-old Paige Ham heard a noise at the back of her home and saw a lock was missing from a storage building out in the backyard. Ham had a roommate call 911 and went out with a gun to see if anything was stolen. That’s when 28-year-old Christopher Todd Brogden allegedly rushed out of the building towards her. Ham fired her gun, hitting Brogden. He was last reported in stable condition at Vidant Hospital in Greenville… (All’s well that ends well. Arizona does not adjust for daylight savings time so I’m uncertain how readily one could see that a lock was missing from a storage shed in North Carolina at 4:30 a.m. without illumination. How much risk would have there been in simply awaiting the response to the 911 call?)  http://abc11.com/news/woman-shoots-alleged-burglar-in-goldsboro/246910/

John – Kayla Walker of Enigma, GA  has a message for people who are the victims of a home invasion – fight back with everything you have. In her case, it was a hammer, a shotgun, and her hands. Tuesday afternoon, two men forced their way into her new home where she resided with her 10 month old son. After one man knocked her to floor and then straddled her shouting racial slurs, she head-butted him, grabbed him in the privates, and then choked him semi-unconscious. He revived after she pushed him off of her and starting fighting her. That’s when she hit him several times with a nearby hammer in the head and ribs. She then ran, grabbed her son, and retrieved her shotgun. “He said, ‘This is my new house. I’m here to stay.’ I said, ‘Not at this residence.’ I put the gun to his face and the gun clicked and he ran,” she said. Walker told deputies that she tried to shoot the intruders, but there was no shell in the chamber of the gun. She reported that the man ran away through the woods, leaving a trail of blood behind him. While she had a number of bruises from the incident, she nor her son suffered any serious injuries.  She has since ID’ed one of the men involved in a police lineup.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Brandon Combs sent us a link to his Buzzword Bingo game. We have the link in our show notes.fpc-buzzword-bingo1-791x1024

Rob, wrote about the DC City Council and how they responded to the Palmer case.  The article is called A Special Kind of Stupid in DC.   The article is up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and Rob’s blog, SlowFacts.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Matt: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Episode 258 – Joe Kalil, Brandon Combs, Frank Fiamingo, John Pierce

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, August 6th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we’ll talk with Joe Kalil from the organization Protect Our Students and Teachers.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have Brandon Combs with us from the Firearms Policy Coalition.
Paul We also talk with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS about The Shaneen Allen situation, and of course we have our weekly news and stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 258 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob- My article about Shaneen Allen was mentioned on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.

John – Nothing new with me other than work has suddenly gotten really busy. I shouldn’t complain as busy means more money as I’m on commission.

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Rob- Police work is hard, and I hate it when the police get it wrong.  LA county deputies were looking for Cedric Ramirez.  Ramirez was wanted for parole violations.  Ramirez saw the deputies and fled.  He also shot at them.  He fled through a stranger’s home.  When one of the occupants tried to escape, the occupant was shot three times by one of the deputies.  The father of eight died at the scene.  This is the second time this year that LA county sheriffs deputies shot the wrong person in a hostage situation.

John- This law enforcement officer gets it.  The Harnett County, North Carolina sheriff expressed his concern about a recent spike in violent crime.  He asked residents to arm themselves.

Over a hundred people packed the Spring Hill United Methodist Church during a community meeting on crime.   Sheriff Larry Rollins told the crowd that the violence is fueled by gangs and drugs. “When I am out with my family, even though I am a cop, I don’t go anywhere without a gun.. I want my deputies at your house just as fast as they can when you got a problem, but you better be able to take care of business until we get there if you have to protect your family.”

Several speakers urged the residents to call deputies if they see something suspicious, and to keep a sharp eye out for themselves and their neighbors.

Paul –  A small town police chief is facing big time trouble after he pulled his gun out twice at city hall.  One time the pointed it toward a city councilman. Security video taken inside Blakesburg, Iowa City Hall shows Police Chief Bob Lewis pointing a gun toward a city councilman.  City Councilman Bill Hinshaw says, “It may have been a joke, but somebody who is in a position of authority…it’s something that never should have been done.”

Rob – You or I would be in jail for such behavior.  If we did that, we would lose our ability to own firearms removed for life and probably spend time in jail.

John – Do you remember the man arrested at the Phoenix airport for carrying an AR?    I gave him a hard time, and Rachel said we should wait and see what really happened.  The man was a political protester, and a doctor.  Yesterday he issued a long statement and here is part of it-

“I consider myself a freedom activist and a responsible American citizen. I respect the rule of law.  I am an educated and responsible gun owner who has earned the legal right to have a concealed weapons permit. I have received extensive training in the safe handling of firearms as well as the substantial legal responsibilities that accompany firearms ownership. I enthusiastically support the rights of my fellow Americans to peacefully and responsibly keep and bear arms. I also strongly oppose the irresponsible use of firearms by anyone. I take my constitutional rights and the constitutional rights of all people very seriously, and I believe those rights need to be exercised and protected or they will be lost.

“I am a political activist.  My purpose in walking around the airport with my AR-15 rifle was to make the point that a peaceful citizen can openly and responsibly carry a firearm – including an AR-15 – for the protection of themselves and their community. I wanted to help educate the public and employees at the airport on this point by allowing them to observe a peaceful person responsibly carrying an AR-15 while doing things that people normally do there, like waiting and drinking a coffee.

“I chose to make this lawful political demonstration at the airport because there are few places in our society where the contrast between our liberties and their erosion is so stark. On the one side of a line on the floor, in the shopping area, we are relatively free, and can safely keep and bear arms. On the other side of that line we have the TSA, a large federal bureaucracy which completely disarms people and subjects them to gross invasions of their privacy, simply because those people want to travel somewhere.

“As I was making this political statement, I was careful not to disturb or endanger anyone.  At all times I was extremely careful to ensure my firearm was never pointed at anyone. In addition to carefully handling my firearm, the safety was engaged at all times. I have no plans to repeat this demonstration as I believe I have now made the important point that peaceful and responsible people can safely be trusted to handle firearms, even AR-15′s, even at the airport. There is never anything to fear from peaceful responsible gun owners.  That is all I have to say.”

Rob- I thought the guy was a nut.  I was wrong and Rachel was right; I should have waited to pass judgement.

John – We can still argue if the protest was effective in changing minds to our side.

Rob- The National Shooting Sports Federation is the lobbying and research group for the US firearms industry.  They recently released a report on the trends in firearms ownership.  The report shows Gun Culture 2.0 in full bloom.

48 percent of today’s first time gun buyers are women.
Women most often purchased a gun for self defense or self-sufficiency.
Most first time gun buyers are between 22 to 30 years old and live in the suburbs.
Of all first time gun buyers, 87 percent said they bought a firearm for home-defense and 76 percent for said it was for self-defense. There is obviously some overlap.
First time buyers spent about $500 on their first gun.
The most frequent purchase was a semi-automatic handgun, followed by shotguns, and then revolvers.

John- No rifles?  This must make the appleseed instructors cry.. or work harder.

John – Our neighbors to the North are working on changing their gun laws…for the better. In late July, Canada’s Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney announced that the Government planned to introduce the “Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act” which is designed to cut red tape for legal gun owners. The new rules would create one license to both own and purchase firearms, make transporting firearms around an owner’s home province less restrictive and bar provincial chief firearms officers from denying guns from citizens under the “any reasonable condition” clause.“I am impressed by the way the firearms community and law abiding citizens are abiding by the law,” Blaney told Sun News. “For these people we need to cut red tape. … The firearms community is abiding by the law, and are exemplary citizens.”

Paul- Here is a shout out to some local activists.  An anti-gun group planned a booth at the National Night Out in Arlington Heights, a suburb in Cook County, Illinois.  National Night Out is focused on crime prevention, and is an opportunity for police and other emergency personnel to mix with local residents.  The Illinois State Rifle Association planned a counter protest.  After the event organizers heard of the counter protest, the anti- gun group withdrew their application.

Tom Gresham calls this the “don’t shrug” policy.  We will lose our rights if we sit back and accept the lies told by the anti-self-defense groups.  An activists is someone who won’t shrug and say “Someone else should fix this.”  If not you, then who?  If not now, then when?

Welcome to being an activist, Brother.

Rob- This is why I’m an activist.   20-year-old Dartmouth student says she may have to give up her Ivy League dream and drop out of school because the prestigious college won’t allow her to carry a gun — to protect herself against a predator.

Taylor Woolrich said Dartmouth administrators told her they won’t let her carry a gun on campus, even though she lives in fear of a man who has been stalking her since she was a high school student in San Diego.  Campus police asked her to stop calling them for escort service as she moves about the campus after dark.  Now she confines herself to her dorm.  She took out a restraining order. Her stalker was recently arrested after he came to her home in San Diego.

John- The stalker is 67 years old.

John- Speaking of anti-gun-groups.. you may have heard of “Nevadans for Background Checks”. The group is pushing to get a ballot measure on the Nevada ballot that would mandate background checks for private firearms sales.  With a name like that you’d think such a group was a home-grown, grassroots effort to bring more gun control to the desert. And you would be wrong. It is another astroturf effort by the Bloomberg financed Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors. Author David Codrea did some excellent sleuthing on the group, and its ties to Bloomberg are solid. For example, the PAC registration form filed with the Nevada Sec. of State’s office lists one Tara Paone as President. Ms. Paone is one busy woman as she is also the Treasurer for Everytown as well as the Director of a similar effort in Washington State. This is just another example of how instead of being a bottom’s up movement, gun control is a top-down effort by “our betters” to put their stamp on our lives and rights.

Rob – Who knew that Bloomberg money is the fertilizer of to grow Astroturf.

John – Finally, a couple of items from Missouri – one bad and the other good. Listeners may remember that in Episode 255 we reported on the efforts by Mayor Sly James to ban open carry within the city limits of Kansas City. Last Thursday, the KC City Council voted 9-0 to officially ban open carry within its city limits. This ban may be short-lived as the MO Legislature will meet in September to decide whether to override Gov. Jay Nixon’s veto of a bill that would have prohibited KC’s actions.

Paul- Now for the good. Yesterday, voters in the Missouri voted by a 2-1 margin to approve Amendment 5 which declared that the right to keep and bear arms is an “unalienable right” and that state government if obligated to uphold it. The fair ballot language that accompanied the ballot said: A “yes” vote will amend the Missouri Constitution to expand the right to keep and bear arms to include ammunition and related accessories for such arms. This amendment also removes the language that states the right to keep and bear arms does not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.” Approval of the measure led Bloomberg’s Moms to say that it was “a gun lobby-backed proposal that could gravely undermine public safety.”

Rob- I guess if you are an astroturf organization you wouldn’t know real grassroots action even if it bit you. And congratulations to the people of the Show Me State for standing up for their gun rights.

John – The amendment also mandates strict scrutiny.

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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John Pierce- http://johnpierceesq.com  NFA lawyer.  Could DC impose an anti-gun carry permit system and remain within the judge’s ruling?

Politicians spoke publicly for a restrictive policy.  Not as restrictive a Maryland’s policy.

Brandon Combs- Tell us about the Firearms Policy Coalition.  What is going on in California anti-gun legislation?  AB 1014, SB 808, SB 53, SB 580

How do we find out more?  www.demandrights.org

Frank Fiamingo- Apply national attention to New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for the unjust prosecution of Shaneen Allen.  Look for Frank on Kenn Blanchard’s Black Man With a Gun, Tom Gresham on GunTalk, and Mark Walters at Armed American Radio.  Go to NJ2AS.com and click on Shaneen’s picture.  Also, call Governor Christie at 609-292-6000.

Joe Kalil from Protect our Students and Teachers.

Segment 4 DGUs

Paul- Burglars will often return to a house they’ve robbed and try to rob it again.   A home in Stanton, Delaware was vacant and being repaired.  Neighbors said it had been broken into, and taken over for parties.  The female homeowner and her son arrived at 6 AM Tuesday morning and found someone inside her home.  The intruder fought with the homeowner.  Fortunately, the homeowner was armed.  She shot the assailant once in the lower body, and the assailant fled.  Police found him in a near by trailer park.  He was captured and is awaiting charges.

One neighbor said “It’s awesome. If someone was going to break into my house I’d want to do the same thing. You’ve got to protect yourself.”

Rob- A Norristown, Pennsylvania resident was awakened at 1:30 AM as 22 year old Daryl Marquis Evans was pounding on his door.  The homeowner brought his gun with him as he answered.  As the door opened, Evans pointed his gun at the homeowner and and started making demand.  The homeowner fired six times, striking Evans in the chest, pelvis and leg.  Evans fired once, but the homeowner was not reported as injured.  Evans died at the scene.  Evans was a convicted felon and was wanted on outstanding warrants for drugs and robbery in Montgomery County at the time of the shooting. The DA said he would not file charges against the homeowner.

John- Three men came to a home in Wellington, Florida seeking the homeowner’s son.  The homeowner met them and they argued.  One of the men presented a knife and threatened the homeowner with it.  The homeowner presented his firearm and shot the assailant.  The three men fled to Palms West Hospital, one of them with a non-life-threatening gunshot wound.  They were taken into custody and the wounded suspect was then taken to St. Mary’s Hospital.  Criminal charges are pending against all three of the suspects.

Rob- Who is going to say it?

Paul- I will.  Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

Paul- It was late morning when four masked men tried to rob a Baltimore, Maryland business at gunpoint.  The business owner drew his own gun and shot one of the robbers in the leg.  All four fled and police recovered the handgun that did not belong to the business owner.  None of the customers or store employees were hurt.

Rob Comments- more than one assailant.  bad shot placement.  we don’t know if the business owner had the firearm on him or had to retrieve it from under the counter.

Rob- Don’t mess with these brothers.  They both operate bodegas in New Haven, Connecticut.  One store was robbed by a gunman carrying a rifle.  While the police were at the first store, the store owner got a call from his brother saying he had been robbed as well, only this time the store owner defended himself.  The police rushed to the second store.  An ambulance transported the thief to Yale-New Haven hospital where he was pronounced dead.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Email from TJ:

Hi Paul,

You seem to be a very religious man, but you also seem to be a very respectful and logical man, so I feel asking you this should get an explanation, other than pure feelings and emotion. If you chose not to address it, I respect your decision.

In the Declaration of Independence, it’s stated that all men “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”, but, as an atheist, my question is this: Who endows me my unalienable rights? I know we hear the argument of “God-given rights”, but what about the rest of us that don’t believe?

Religion seems to go hand-in-hand with a lot of gun owners’ ideals, but I guess I am in some sort of gray area in my political beliefs. That’s why I think the two-party system is nuts. You can’t just lump people into two perfect, cookie-cutter categories.

Thank you Paul,

TJ Gauthier
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Rob- Comment- You are endowed with rights by your nature. You are endowed with rights because of of the type of creature you are.
John – Even though the Declaration referred to god given rights, I think philosophers refer to them as natural law and natural rights.

The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 257 – Joe Chetwood

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 2nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Joe Chetwood of Crusader Weaponry.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, We also have our usual self defense news
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we also cover todays DGU’s
Rachel: so climb aboard
Gary: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 257 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- Last night I spent two hours in SIRT training with a new shooter. The student lives in California but spent the last few weeks reporting from the Texas border. She had an intense interest in self-defense after that experience. I had to break the bad news to her that we live in a “may issue” county in a “may issue” state. A Utah and Florida non-resident permit will give her most of what she needs.

Rachel- You mean the old story that the police will protect you.. and that our border is secure didn’t impress her?
Rob- Well, it left an impression all right.

Paul- Our new dogs are home!
Gary Daugherty wanted me to mention that Firearm Safety Institute is holding a concealed carry class August 16th and 17th in Villa Park Illinois. this class qualifies for Arizona and Florida non resident ccw classes. runs from 9am to 5 pm, you can register through the website or call 702-557-1644.

Rachel- Getting ready for Academy 31, my girls’ camp.

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Rachel- The watchdog group Judicial Watch sued the Department of Justice.. and won.  A federal court ordered the DOJ to turn over an index of materials related to the “Fast and Furious” gun-running scandal.  The Obama administration first withheld the documents by claiming they were covered by executive privilege.  The judge said the content of the documents might be covered by executive privilege, but the public has a right to know who was involved in the discussion of Operation Fast and Furious.  The court ordered a detailed listing of all documents that the DOJ withheld from Congress along with an explicit justification for each withholding.  The documents are due October first.

Paul- I wonder if the DOJ will ask for delays until after the election.

Rob- Massachusetts gun owners lost their right to purchase a long gun even if they are not a prohibited person.  Police chiefs now have the unrestricted right to deny permission before Massachusetts citizens may purchase a long gun.  In theory, police chiefs must appear in court within 90 days to defend their reasoning for the denial of a license to a certain individual.

Paul- DC appealed and was granted a stay in the case of Palmer versus DC.  This case was brought against DC because they had a blanket prohibition on citizens carrying in the district.  Now politicians will go to work on DC gun owners.  The obvious political solution is that DC will allow the police chief to deny permits to anyone she wants.  That “may issue” or “good cause” solution, as practiced in New Jersey, has repeatedly passed legal review.

DC can also apply unusual regulations when they grant reciprocity.  For example, the district could deny reciprocity to a state because the state issues a firearms license for too long a period, has different domestic violence or different drug laws than DC.  Even if the laws are similar between DC and the state seeking reciprocity, the reporting requirements might be different.  Any excuse will do when you want to deny civil rights.

Rob comment- So DC could grant an annual firearms license with bizarre training requirements?

Yep. They could also demand that ammunition be certified by the police department. All this is before DC starts creating a labyrinth of “sensitive gun free zones”.  There are many ways to undermine the rights of DC citizens to protect themselves.

Rachel- I know we report on the unusual level of violence in Chicago, but there were only 19 people shot last weekend, and 54 shot this week so far, so that hardly makes the news.

Paul- Move along.  Nothing to see here.  These are not the self-defense statistics you’re looking for.

Rob- If you go to the country, then please leave the city behind.  William Baker was walking his dogs on Friday night on his property in rural Arco, Idaho.  That is where the owner of the neighboring KOA Campground approached him about having his gun holstered on his hip.  Someone had gone to the campground’s owner and complained about Baker walking armed. The campground owner Angela Dishman said they are just doing what they think is best for their business.  “We have tenters who … were scared to death, they had children, they had pets, they had families and they were scared.”

Baker says he wasn’t a threat and he wasn’t doing anything illegal open carrying as he walked his dog.

Rachel comment-  If you want to live in your over-regulated, gated Mc-Mansion with its Home Owners Association.. then don’t go out to the countryside.

Paul Comment- I knew someone who was terrified of dogs.  I told them not to buy one.

Gun Quotes
Paul- Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Author John Bradshaw.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 4 DGUs

Paul- Witnesses in Tamassee, South Carolina say Bradley Payne and a homeowner were arguing outside when Payne threatened the homeowner.  The homeowner retreated to his home and told Payne not to enter.  Payne jerked open the screen door and entered the home before being shot in the hip by the homeowner.  The homeowner called 911.  No charges were brought against the homeowner.

Rachel- A homeowner grabbed her gun when she heard someone attempting to break into her Manatee County, FL home while her husband was out playing bridge.  The suspect had used a rock to break part of the Logans’ door and they seem to have fled once they realized there was an armed person inside the home.  She said, “I don’t know what was going on in my mind. Honestly all I wanted was my gun.  When I called 911, she kept saying put the gun down. Put the gun down and I said I’ll put the gun down when I see the police.”

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Paul- Email 1 Ken in AZ writes

Paul, I was listening to Hickok45′s latest “radio show”. He was talking about  the Civil War, and it got me to thinking. Isn’t it interesting how the firearm manufacturers were located in the Free States, 150 years ago. And today, the ones up North are leaving, and moving to the new Free States in the South. Such a coincidence that firearms are made in Free States? Maybe the South will rise again!

Ken
Phoenix, AZ

Rob Email #2 also from Ken in AZ

Paul, over the weekend, including one DGU on your show (from last week), there were 2 news items where criminals involved in home break-ins were shot by home-owners defending themselves. In both cases, the news reported the medical status of the “victims” who had been shot.

Something needs to be done to educate the news media about who isn’t a victim and who is. There’s a fundamental mind-set that’s out-of-whack and needs to be pointed out and needs to be changed when this kind of bad reporting keeps happening.

Stating what’s obvious to us, but not to the news media: The criminal isn’t the victim of the home break-in shooting.
That’s all for today.

Ken
Phoenix, AZ (free state)

Rachel e-mail # 3- This from another listener-

Below is a link to an article I found ludicrous and illustrates the extreme to which some anti-hunters are willing to go.  Thought it would make good material for your discussions.

I haven’t vetted the article to see if it is legit yet; but even if it is a hoax, it is just too good not to pass along.
Really enjoy the podcasts!
Thanks,
Randy

http://io9.com/the-radical-plan-to-eliminate-earths-predatory-species-1613342963?utm_campaign=socialflow_io9_facebook&utm_source=io9_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about “A Few Honest Men in America”.  We are our country’s conscience.  We sometimes think that the police and government determine right and wrong, but I found the thousands of times governments have turned a blind eye to mob rule.  We’ve had hundreds of cases of mob attacks and thousands of mob murders.  The article is at Clash Daily and at SlowFacts.

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 256 – More Palmer vs DC News

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, July 30th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have our self-defense news.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about defensive gun use.

Rachel: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!  Episode 256 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I’ve registered for GRPC, booked my room, and bought my plane ticket.

Rob- Is Barb joining you this year?

Life is in the way of training.  I’ve been boxing up a few thousand pounds of books as we do some home repairs.  Went to a gun store while a friend bought a small Walther for his wife.

Rachel- Not much action on guns or politics – mostly just turning things down because I’m too busy. I *have* gotten some planning done for an introductory firearms course I’m teaching at a girls’ camp I’m leading next week.

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John – The District of Columbia was granted a stay in the Palmer case. While they had requested a 180-day stay, Judge Frederick Scullin, Jr. only granted them 90 days. The plaintiffs had previously said they wouldn’t object to a 90-day stay IF the city used that time to  enact remedial legislation within that time that was consistent with Constitutional standards.

Residents and visitors to DC did have a couple of days in which they could provide for their self-defense before the decision was stayed.  As we discussed on Saturday, the city is weighing its options and could very well appeal the decision.

Rob- I had a few thoughts on this.

  • I learned that one of the defendants in the Palmer case did not live in DC.  That is why the judge ruled that visitors retain the right of self-defense when they visit DC.  The judge therefore required that DC grant reciprocity so non-residents can carry.  That moves us much closer to universal reciprocity.
  • The DC law that was struck down regulated concealed carry.  DC still has bizarre laws about magazine capacity.  Unless I’m a registered DC gun owner, it remains illegal for me to have a spent cartridge case somewhere in my car because that is an unlawful ammunition component.  Of course I can’t register my firearm unless I’m a DC resident    I assume those crazy laws still stand and are ready to trap any gun owner passing through DC.  Travelers beware.
  • Another thought is that it took five years to get a judicial decision.  Too bad it didn’t take four years for the judge to grant a stay.

Rachel- Nothing bad happened on the one evening when DC residents could legally take their guns for a walk?  The Potomac River did not run red with blood?

No

No gun owners from Pennsylvania and Virginia robbing the disarmed people of DC?

No

No columns of smoke rising from the armed riots?

No

No guys running around like Mad Max and the Apocalypse?

Not that I’ve seen.

I didn’t think so.  I guess DC was a little like Texas for a few hours.

John- DC was more like North Carolina, because we can open carry.

Rachel- We try to bring you accurate news affecting self-defense.  We do not bring you propaganda or fantasies.  It looks like the National Broadcasting Corporation does exactly that.  The anti-gun media couldn’t let the defensive gun use story of Psychiatrist Silverman go unchallenged.  NBC ran a hit piece masquerading as news where they interviewed psychiatrists about the efficacy of armed self-defense.  Here are the money quotes.  The headline was “ Experts say Psychiatrists with Guns Likely More Harmful Than Helpful”.  From the article, quote “The idea of a psychiatrist having a weapon in his desk is entirely new to me. I haven’t heard of anything like it before.”  “My guess is that arming psychiatrists is more likely to be harmful than helpful.”  close quote.

There is no need to for these so-called experts to remain ignorant or offer us their guesses.  We have many years of self-defense experience under real-world conditions.  At worse, the data shows that armed citizens cause no harm, and save lives at best.  A psychiatrist claiming otherwise is.. crazy.

Comments – Doctors, heal yourself first.

Rob- If you say stupid gun laws in Burlington, I’d think of the Burlington, Vermont city council.  Had you said Burlington, Iowa, well you’d be right too.  The Burlington City Council considered regulations demanding city permission for children to have toy guns, replica guns and BB guns in public.  Violators would be subject to a 500 dollar fine.  It would  also demand that toy guns be carried in a gun case when transported in a car.   The excuse was that it was better to outlaw toy guns than train police to determine opportunity, intent, and capability rather than shoot on sight.  This is extremely strange because we require Iowa concealed license holders to determine opportunity, intent, and capability on a daily basis, and we think nothing of it.  The Des Moines County Attorney is probably at fault for tolerating this stupidity, though the regulation was finally voted down by the city.

John - We recently reported on the case of Dr. Lee Silverman, a psychiatrist in the Philadelphia area, who used a personal handgun to end an attack in a hospital. He had been shot and a co-worker killed by the psychotic gunman. We speculated at the time whether or not Dr. Silverman would be fired. Good news – he won’t. Here is the statement from Mercy Health Systems on their Facebook page:

“We are thankful for the swift action of Dr. Lee Silverman, Dr. Jeffrey Dekret, John D’Alonzo and the other colleagues and visitors who took brave and difficult action during yesterday’s tragic event. We extend our condolences to Theresa Hunt’s family, and we are praying for Dr. Silverman’s speedy recovery. We look forward to Dr. Silverman’s return to serving patients at our hospital. We will do all we can to support the victims during this difficult time.

We continue to work with the Delaware County authorities to understand fully the details of the event. We are reviewing our policies and procedures to ensure a safe environment. We are committed to serving as a compassionate and healing presence in our communities, and we are grateful for the outpouring of community support.”

Rachel-  The patient had a gun because he was a crazy criminal.  The doctor had a gun because he wasn’t a crazy criminal.  The gun grabbers want the doctor disarmed so only crazy criminals have guns.  Does that make you feel safer?

Rachel- There is a culture change about the right of people to defend themselves.  The female host on The View ran an anti-gun ad from Everytown for Gun Safety.  They agreed it was an extremely emotional and effective ad showing a mother being shot during a custody dispute.  The conversation didn’t stop there.  Three of the hosts went on to say they had or wanted a gun in their home for protection.  They experienced the fear of a break-in or a stalker, and they wanted more than a phone for protection.  They counselled the one host who was afraid of guns with children in the home.  “Lock it up, and take a class to learn how to use it, but get a gun.”

Rob- Yes, we are bragging.  I saw an article in the Washington Post where they finally covered the story of Beretta moving from neighboring Maryland to Tennessee.  We covered that story weeks ago.  Use small words and talk slowly when you explain a story to the Washington Post.

Rachel- Alabama Attorney General Luther Strange is taking some heat for existing firearms legislation.  The AG supports legislation to ban the open carry of firearms in polling places. There were at least three cases where people open carried at the polls for the recent primary election.  That was when the Attorney General’s Office advised that government buildings that already ban guns can prohibit them when those locations double as polling places but the decision on whether to allow guns rests with the owners when voting takes place in churches or other private property.  Strange added that whatever stands he takes on proposals before the Legislature, he has to make sure they are constitutional. He cited a court ruling in the District of Columbia over the weekend striking down a law prohibiting people from having guns in public.

Rob- This sounds like either gun owners being stupid by open carrying at the polls, or anti-gun citizens deliberately provoking more gun regulations.  But wait, there is more.

Rachel- Phoenix police officers arrested a 54-year old man Friday after he pointed his AR15 rifle in the direction of two people at Sky Harbor International Airport.  The Tempe, Arizona man told officers he went to Sky Harbor International Airport to buy a cup of coffee and had no other business at the airport.  This gun owner has been at the airport with his rifle before.  In November 2013, several people alerted officers a man armed with an AR15 was standing in the baggage claim area apparently waiting for a passenger to arrive. At that time, the man was not charged; he did not commit a crime by simply carrying the weapon into the common area of the airport.   The recent incident was different because he took the rifle from his shoulder and muzzled two people.  The 54-year old gun owner now faces two counts of disorderly conduct with a weapon which is a felony.  I bet there is video that shows what our gun owner did.

Rob- I want gun owners to be great ambassadors.

John- Oklahoma lawmakers say that colleges and universities would be safer if students, faculty and staff were allowed to carry on campus.  University administrators disagree.  Rep. John Enns and Sen. Ralph Shortey argue that licensed gun owners should be able to protect themselves on state campuses. Enns said statistics show 20 percent of students will be assaulted at some point during their four years on campus. “I hear from a lot of parents of college kids, and I hear from college kids, as well,” he said. For anyone to say our college campuses are safe, that’s totally not true.” Currently, a licensed gun owner can carry a weapon on campus only with the written consent of the college president.

Oklahoma listeners, and those who have children who might attend Oklahoma schools should weigh in with their support.  Gun free zones are not safe for children.

Rob- It sounds like your voices were heard by Washington DC legislators.  Gun retailers are no longer on a hit list deemed “high risk” by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.  Federal banking regulators formally removed firearms dealers and manufacturers from the list of “high risk” industries being punished as part of the Obama administration’s “Operation Choke Point.”  Richard Osterman, the agency’s acting general counsel, admitted to the American Banker newspaper Monday that the no fund list had been “misinterpreted” by financial institutions… “If you empower the government to pick winners and losers within lawful enterprises, then there’s no place to stop.”

John- Rob, it could have been us.. or it could have been the porn industry shutting down “operation choke point”.  The political results aren’t that clear cut.

John- Connecticut gun owners are getting active and not taking gun restrictions lying down.  After spending a year holding protests and challenging the law through the court system, politically active gun owners in Connecticut have focused their efforts on the Aug. 12 primary.  They want to help Greenwich businessman Tom Foley defeat state Senate Minority Leader John McKinney in the race for the Republican nomination to run for governor. Republican Senator McKinney enraged gun owners with his soft support of armed self-defense.  Scott Wilson is founder and the president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League and we’ve had him on the Polite Society Podcast before.  Wilson said  “we’re eager to see John McKinney out of this race as soon as possible.”   80 members of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League became voting delegates to the Connecticut Republican Party convention where the party chose Foley over McKinney.

North east gun owners have a few weeks to get busy.

Rachel- You can have a bad day in a gun friendly state.  The cops raided the wrong house in Portsmouth, Virginia.  The homeowner saw a bunch of guys dressed in black on his front porch.  Then one of the uninvited visitors pointed a rifle at the homeowner and painted a laser on the homeowner’s shirt.  The homeowner got his gun and shot through the window, and ran out the back.  That is when police identified themselves and the homeowner dropped his gun.  The police pressed charges against the homeowner, and a jury threw the charges out. Now the  homeowner is free to sue the city.

Rob-I hope the homeowner wins a huge lawsuit.  This swat team should be fired along with their supervising officer.

John- Gun Quotes- “The maintenance of the right to bear arms is a most essential one to every free people and should not be whittled down by technical constructions.”    - Supreme Court of North Carolina, in State v. Kerner, 1921. This is the decision that is the basis for the right of North Carolinians to open carry firearms in the state.

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel-  A Madison County [TN] homeowner shot a 16-year-old boy who was breaking into his house, wounding the teen, according to the Sheriff’s Office. About 10 a.m. Sunday, the Madison County Sheriff’s Office received a 911 call about the burglary in progress in the 1400 block of Denmark-Jackson Road. The investigation revealed that the homeowner saw a young man walk past his front window, the Sheriff’s Office said in a news release. A short time later the homeowner heard tapping at the back bathroom window. He then saw a brick being thrown through the window. As the burglar was entering the bathroom window, the homeowner shot at him, authorities said. Deputies came across the young man while canvassing the area. He had two gun shot wounds to the arm and was taken to a local hospital. He was charged with aggravated burglary. They are still looking for another burglar.

Rob- Ayatollah Mohammad was charged with domestic violence on Tuesday.  By Wednesday, the police removed Mohammad from a home in Locust Fork, Alabama where his ex-girlfriend lived.  Mohammad didn’t take the hint.  It appears Mohammad walked the seven miles back to the home to resume his attack.  The ex-girlfriend’s son was on the scene, and the 14 year old son shot Mohammad when he came at his mother.  The case will be presented to the grand jury but no charges are expected.

John – I will admit to being a little conflicted about this next DGU. Five men were seeking to elude police in Linn County, Iowa. They were being chased by police when they crashed into a Solon resident’s front yard and took off on foot. Two bystanders, Tim Moore and Scott Eastwood, who lived in the neighborhood saw them hiding drugs and a firearm in Moore’s yard. Eastwood, a CCW holder, and Moore then chased them down in a pickup truck, listened to their false story, played along with them, and when they got them into the truck, Eastwood held them for cops at gunpoint. Police soon arrived to take them into custody and the five were charged with interference with official acts with injury on a peace officer. Other charges may be pending.

Rachel – Benjamin Beaudoin, 34, of Mendota Heights, Minnesota ended up bloody after he botched a home invasion. That should have been his lesson. However, he then decided to invade the home of 72 y.o. Ethel Himes in Ray, a far northern Minnesota town, and he began to choke the elderly lady. Her son, Brad, came upon the scene and went to get his handgun. He was followed and attacked by Beaudoin. He was able to stop the attack by shooting and killing Beaudoin. No charges have been filed against Mr. Himes. Beaudoin’s family is saying he had a traumatic brain injury as a teen and was a recovering alcoholic who was struggling with powerful migraine headaches and an undiagnosed mental illness. This supposed brain injury did not stop Beaudoin from graduating both high school and Bemidji State University with a degree in … psychology.

John-  Robbery is dangerous, even if there are four thieves trying to rob one man.  It is dangerous because you never know who is behind the counter of the store you’re trying to rob.  In this case, three men and a get-away driver waited in their white SUV for the store manager to arrive with small bills from the bank.  They attacked the store manager as he stepped from his car at this Houston Convenience store/gas station.  Mayura Dissanyake works as a store clerk, but he didn’t stand and watch.  Instead, he jumped in and beat three of the criminals.  When he isn’t selling coffee and gasoline, Mayura is a semi-professional fighter in mixed martial arts.  After the other thieves drove off, Mayura beat one of the thieves so he would stay still until the police arrived.

Rob- That clerk is always armed, though not with a firearm.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rachel- This in from a listener in Arizona.

I was aware of the NRA, and joined a couple of months ago when I decided to support gun-ownership and gun-rights. I had heard of the Second Amendment Foundation, but had no idea it was as important as the NRA, or, in light of Saturday’s court ruling, I had no idea of the important work it is doing and the results it is getting until now.

Therefore, seeing its monumentally effective endeavors , I joined the SAF yesterday. I encourage everyone to do the same. It’s the most important issue of our time here in the USA, and if want to keep ourselves educated, safe and free Americans, we all need to support those who can best accomplish the tasks at hand. And, it’s surprisingly inexpensive to become a member. 5 years for only $50 to get our Constitutionally protected rights restored? It’s a real deal, folks.

Regards,

Ken Silva

Phoenix, AZ

the NRA, GOA, and SAF are different organizations.

Rob- Thanks to listeners Greg Tabor and Anthony Lucafo for their news and DGU tips.  It is great to have you at our back.

Rob- The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

By the time this episode goes online, I’ll have another article out that compares how New Jersey lets millionaire sports celebrities go free after they assault someone, and how New Jersey jails single moms who drive through their state with a legal firearm.  That is third-world justice.  The article will be up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog.

John, do you have anything on your blog, Only Guns and Money you want to tell our listeners about?

Impressions on the win in Palmer v. DC.

Rachel- Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the weekend show…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 255 – The Palmer Decision

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live from ABN Army Surplus on Saturday, July 26th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Bob Mayne of the Handgun World Show about some training coming to Sioux Falls next spring.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 255 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – Shout out to Jason at Concealment Solutions, Watching a trucker that was almost concealed carrying. Working to get the house set up for our new family members.

John – No range time since Wednesday but I did read an excellent article that would go along well with our DGUs. It was about “spot shooting” and how it could improve your shooting. Or as the author’s 83 year old father told a would be robber, do you want it in the teeth or the belly.

Rachel- I’ve been sitting here all week fondling gun parts and was super excited about sharing with y’all my new AR upgrade that was supposed to happen today. Unfortunately, I had a friend with a medical emergency and ended up spending last night at the ER and today taking care of kids. Some things take priority. The gun parts will just have to wait.

Rob- I had two hours of SIRT training on Friday, and a five hour IDPA competition this morning. You’d rather end on a strong stage.. but I didn’t. I was disappointed in my last stage after I had to restart because the afternoon wind blew the targets over. :-(

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Paul-We have a bit of breaking news a few hours ago as we record this the US District Court for the District of Columbia struck down the complete ban of carry in Washington DC.  From Alan Gura’s blog, the court stated that “In light of Heller, McDonald, and their progeny, there is no longer any basis on which this Court can conclude that the District of Columbia’s total ban on the public carrying of ready-to-use handguns outside the home is constitutional under any level of scrutiny. Therefore, the Court finds that the District of Columbia’s complete ban on the carrying of handguns in public is unconstitutional.”

This is a MONSTER win. I don’t expect things to change overnight, but this is DEFINITELY a step in the right direction.

Comments – John – This case has dragged on for over 5 years. Alan Gura even went to the US Ct of Appeals twice seeking to get Judge Frederick Scullin to issue a decision one way or another. I agree that this is a fantastic win for gun rights and the right to carry in the Nation’s Capital. George Lyon, one of the plaintiffs, urged Mayor Vincent Gray and the City Council “to swiftly enact a concealed carry law”.

Rob- We will see how this plays out.  I have several friends in DC who should concealed carry.  It is bizarre that it took five years for the court to reach this decision.  That was a political delay, not a judicial one.

John – With election season starting to heat up after the primaries, the NRA Freedom Action Foundation has announced that Chuck Norris will be the honorary chairman of the Trigger the Vote campaign. This campaign seeks to make sure that gun owners and gun rights supporters are registered to vote. Even though voter registration has become ridiculously easy over the years, you still can’t vote unless you are registered.

Comments-?  Remember R Lee Earney and his get out the vote series?

Rob – The city of Kansas City, Missouri wants to ban open carry within its city limits.  Mayor Sly James – Sly is a great name for a politician, by the way – said, “the sight of open carry is something that people could find too intimidating.” The Missouri Legislature had passed a bill that would have prevented cities from prohibiting open carry by those with CCW licenses. As we recently reported, Gov. Jay Nixon (D-MO) vetoed that gun rights bill. The legislature will meet in September to try and override the veto.

Comments- Rachel(comment)- it’s up to Missouri gun owners to make open carry non-intimidating.

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Rachel – First Lady Michelle Obama was in Chicago on Thursday where, as listeners to the podcast know, we often speak about shootings and murders that happen despite their gun control laws. After decrying the role of money and special interests in politics, Mrs. Obama told attendees at a Democratic fundraiser who paid up to $20,000 a couple to attend to dig deep in their pockets. She said electing Democrats would put kids first and help eliminate gun violence (sic) in her hometown. She didn’t have anything to say about cracking down on the gangs who are behind most of the shootings in Chicago. Go figure.

Comments-Rob- is gun violence a fault or a feature of Chicago machine politics.

John – Boston Police Commissioner William Evans evidently didn’t get the message from Vice-President Joe Biden. That’s because he said in an interview with public radio WGBH that “For the most part, nobody in the city needs a shotgun. Nobody needs a rifle.” He was responding to a question about gun permits in Massachusetts. He, like too many police chiefs in the Bay State, want the ultimate authority to say who can or can’t exercise their Second Amendment rights. I seem to remember that it was a move by another person in authority in Boston that triggered a war. That person was General Gage in April 1775 and the war was the American Revolution.

Comments-?  Rob- an only one!

Rachel- I actually think I agree with the police commissioner, in a way. For the most part – most days – you don’t need a shotgun or rifle to defend yourself.  But you never know when you will.

Rob- It is an election year and some Colorado Representatives are now reading the poll numbers.  Colorado legislators felt that they could do anything they wanted once they were elected.  That was when they rammed through new gun control laws and before three Colorado Senators were removed from office.  Those gun control bills were actually pushed through by Democrats to keep guns away from those with criminal backgrounds.  The legislative research committee said that about 420,000 background checks each year would stop criminals from getting guns.  Democrats allocated $3 million to the state agency in charge of handling all the projected extra reviews and checks, the Colorado Bureau of Investigations.  A year later, and the agency’s only performed 13,600 reviews — roughly 7 percent of what was predicted.

“I’m going to be asking some questions because I want to be a good steward of our tax dollars,” said Democratic Rep. Rhonda Fields, who nonetheless stood by the law and expressed optimism with its future, AP reported.

Paul- The first recall in Colorado was of Senate Leader John Morse.  Morse also ran a ballot initiative to make it harder to recall legislators.  That effort couldn’t gather the signatures to make the ballot.  There was a separate ballot initiative that did gather enough signatures.  That measure was to ban concealed carry on campus.  After looking at more poll numbers, the backers decided NOT to put the campus carry ban bill on the ballot.

Rachel (comment)- Last episode, we interviewed Luke Wagner of Colorado 2nd Amendment Association. They’re a great example of regular citizens doing extraordinary work to significantly change their state for gun rights.

John – They still have elections.. even in Cook County, Illinois.  Chicago area residents will vote if Illinois should impose an assault weapons ban and universal background checks required sell anything firearm related.  Both are non binding referendum designed to provide political cover for democrat legislators.

Paul – Just to let you know that they don’t have a justice system in New Jersey.  Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice was not prosecuted after he knocked his fiancee unconscious in an Atlantic City casino.  Instead, Rice received a two game suspension from the NFL.  Contrast his treatment with Shaneen Allen who was a licensed firearms owners and tried to drive through New Jersey.  She is facing three years in jail for a felony weapons violation.. from the same prosecutor who diverted Ray Rice to family counseling.

Rachel- Gun Quotes
“A man’s rights rest in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.”
- Frederick Douglass

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Segment 4 DGUs

We have had multiple emails pointing us to tonight’s 1st DGU.

John – DOCTORS ARE known for saving lives – but rarely do they do it with a gun.

But that’s exactly what happened yesterday, authorities said, when a psychiatrist, Dr. Lee Silverman,  returned fire on a patient who had shot him in the head and had fatally shot a caseworker Theresa Hunt  at the Sister Marie Lenahan Mercy Wellness Center in Yeadon, Delaware County.

“Without a doubt, I believe the doctor saved lives,” Yeadon Police Chief Donald Molineux said. “If he [the doctor] wasn’t armed . . . this guy could have went out in the hallway and just walked down the offices until he ran out of ammunition.”

This DGU is making national news because it involved a doctor and a hospital. The psychotic patient involved had both a criminal record including firearm violations and a history of suicide attempts. How he obtained the pistol is not known but Pennsylvania has background checks on private sales of handguns.

Paul

Rachel- It is not incongruous for a doctor, one known for saving lives, to carry a gun. Those fighting for hospital carry should bookmark this story and pull it up as needed.

Rob- The hospital’s gun free zone was broken.  The doctor fixed it.  I wonder if the doc makes house-calls!  Please leave a comment at the hospital website to thank the doctor for saving lives.

Paul-

Listener John P ( not going to try to attempt the name it will get butchered) sent in this DGU story.

Reading straight from nbcconnecticut.com

Two brothers fought off and helped detain a 15-year-old armed intruder who tried to rob them early Wednesday morning in New London, police said.
A teen, wearing a hockey mask and carrying a knife and a loaded gun, invaded a home on Crystal Avenue just before 3 a.m. on Wednesday, according to police.
Richard and Kevin Dennis were asleep when the teen broke in, but woke up and acted quickly.
Richard went toward the teen.
“That’s when he hit me in the head with the gun. Then I picked him up and he started wailing on my back with the butt of the gun,” Richard said.
Kevin got a gun to help his brother, and told the teen to drop his weapon and stay still.
“I heard my brother say, ‘Kevin, I need help. He has a gun.’ When I heard that, (I) grabbed my gun and went flying through the door,” Kevin Dennis said.
The teen did drop his weapon.
“He dropped it the moment he saw me. I got mine. The fight was over. It was night and day,” Kevin Dennis said.
When police arrived, they arrested the intruder.
The teen was charged with home invasion, burglary, second-degree assault with a firearm, first-degree threatening and carrying a pistol without a permit. His name has not been released because of his age.The resident who was assaulted had minor injuries, but declined medical treatment, police said.

Rob- This was a 2:30 am burglary. I wonder about the toxicology report. This kid is lucky to be alive. Can you imagine if you saw an armed intruder in YOUR house? The homeowner showed a ton of restraint!

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Ken in Arizona sent a second email about Target
Paul,

After hearing you read my Target email on the podcast, and following Gary’s comments about a business has the right to “ban” guns on their private property, I felt a need to further explain my position.

I know that Target’s policy is only a request for people to not carry their firearms inside their stores, just as Chipotle and Starbucks have “requested” the same. I could still legally concealed-carry in their stores. However, we are in the fight of our lives to keep our Constitutionally protected rights. (Note that I didn’t say “Constitutional rights”, there’s a big difference. But I digress.)

For a business to not be in complete support of our rights and to try to appease the PC/gun-grabbing/anti-freedom/Progressive crowd, just isn’t good enough any more in this struggle. We are, indeed, in the fight of our lives, the fight for our lives, and to accept and support a business that isn’t 100% with us is supporting our adversaries, if not completely, then at least partially. And partial support is still support, and just no good any more.

We need strong voices who publicly, loudly, and firmly state their support of The Constitution, and not voices who appease, compromise, equivocate, and preach “feel-good” fantasies and “reasonable” policies that make everyone happy and are “inclusive”, “reasonable”, and “common sense”.

It’s time for Truth, Justice, and The American Way. We’ve reached the time when nothing short of that will do.

Regards,
Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

Here’s extra comment that you can ignore. It’s just how I got here.

PS I am new to this cause and new to firearms. Sandy Hook is what woke me up. Why didn’t anyone stop the madman, I wondered. It was only Sandy Hook when I learned about “gun-free zones”. The insanity of such a policy was immediately obvious and distressing. They are a perfect way to make more victims. I discovered the entire shooting community and the other side of gun-ownership and gun-rights that I never knew existed, being a product of the mainstream media for 60 years. My ignorance was profound. My education has been eye-opening and equally as profound. My disgust with our “leaders” and the “4th Estate” is huge, and growing every day with my ongoing education. Thank goodness for new media, the internet, podcasts such as yours, and the time I have in retirement to devote to these issues. Unfortunately, most Americans are as I was for all those years, too busy to stray outside the mainstream, and therefore, brainwashed to the agenda of the powerful and omni-present mainstream media.

I see this fight we are in as one fueled by ignorance. Once people become educated, we will be back on the right track. It only took me a couple of months to counteract 60 years of learned ignorance. But our media and our politicians are not about education, so I’m not hopeful that our struggle will be over any time soon. As a digression, look at Common Core. Teach all the kids from the same playbook, and you limit ideas outside that playbook.

As another digression, look at the recent illegal immigration being encouraged by Washington and The White House. What better voting block than millions of new voters who don’t even speak the language. That’s a pretty clever way of keeping the voters ignorant. It’s criminal what they are doing. Keep fighting! Preserve, protect, and defend, indeed!
(Gee, I sound pretty radical, even to myself! Well, so be it.)

PPS I hope you keep us informed on the new doggies.

Rachel- The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that has seats available is September 13th and 14th in Culpepper Virginia. Also remember that in September is the couples class in Centerton Arkansas with Jon Hodoway.  Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I do.  I live in San Diego.  San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said he will protect us and we have no need to protect ourselves.  Somehow Sheriff Gore overlooked the thousand of crime victims in June.  As usual, most of the victims this month are unarmed and defenseless. Sheriff Bill Gore says he may not issue licenses to carry a concealed weapon for self-defense.  In contrast, many other California Sheriffs do exactly that.

Paul-? Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 254 – Kevin Starrett, Luke Wagner and Kyle Coplen

Introduction- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, July 23rd 2014. I’m John Richardson.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Kevin Starrett from the Oregon Firearms Federation.
I’m Rob Morse. We will talk with Luke Wagner of the Colorado Second Amendment Association.
Rachel: We have an update from Kyle Coplen of the Armed Citizen Project in addition to our usual news and DGUs, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Rachel: Episode 254 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I’ve missed the last two podcasts so I guess I have some catching up to do. Last Wednesday, I got to tour PTR Industries plant in Aynor, South Carolina. They make the PTR-91 rifle. It is the civilian version of the HK G-3. I was able to interview Chris Petersen of PTR for a later episode. I also got to shoot the PTR-32 Gen 1 Plus in 7.62×39. In other news, Barb and I got married. If you read my blog, you may have heard me refer to the Complementary Spouse. Barb is more than a complimentary spouse now.

Rachel- I’ve had a houseful this past week and have spent most of my time keeping meals rolling for all my guests and taking care of the kids, but still found some time for gunpowder and lead. Instructed an Appleseed shoot in Waco last Saturday because my kid dragged me (proud of that kid!) and one of the participants let me shoot his K31. Loved it. =)

Rob- Dry practice. Planning to shoot IDPA this Saturday

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Rob- Let’s start with some good news for the right of self-defense.  Philadelphia lost a large court case because they infringed on the rights of legal gun owners.  The city was ordered to pay 1.42 million dollars as well as the costs of administering the legal settlement.  The settlement runs to 11 pages.  Here are some of the highlights-

  • Philadelphia agrees not to disclose License to carry firearms applicant information either electronically or in-person.
  • The police department agrees to annual training for the License and Inspection Board of Review, and the Gun Permit Unit.
  • The city agreed to post a copy of the application process on their website.  This includes license applications and the appeals process.  The city must also submit a copy of the license appeals process to anyone who has their license denied or revoked.
  • The city no longer requires or contacts character references from license applicants.
  • The city will not ask if applicants already own a firearm.
  • The city will not confiscate a license or a firearm from a licensee unless there is probable cause that they are needed as evidence of a crime. If they are confiscated, then the officer must immediately provide a property receipt, which shall include the pertinent information for their return.

That is a good day for civil rights in Philadelphia.

The decision must irritate the Pennsylvania attorney general, and that is a good thing too.

Rachel- I don’t know the whole back story on this positive turn of events, but I know one thing: it happened because somebody got off the couch and did something.

Rachel-This last weekend, 40 people were shot and 4 were killed in the gun control paradise of Chicago.  Chicago politicians blame weak gun laws, but the real cause are the drug gangs who feed on social policies that resulted in broken families and economic policies that destroyed jobs.  Chicago politicians have company.

Rob- Weekend death toll in ny?  I called the new york deputy commissioner of public information and spoke to his office.  I also sent them an e-mail request for information about this weekend’s statistics.

John- This is an election year, so some ridiculous bills get passed and some reasonable bills never make it to a vote in committee.  A recent case is the rider to a congressional bill written by Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky.  Massie is optimistic about Senate support for the language he attached that would dismantle the local gun laws in the District of Columbia.  The congressman is realistic enough to doubt the measure will ever reach the Senate floor for a vote.  Quote “Twenty rank-and-file Democrats in the House voted for the amendment, and I know Democrats in the Senate would vote for the amendment.. but I suspect Harry Reid will do everything he can to prevent that vote from happening.”  Senate majority leader Harry Reid did not respond to questions about Massie’s pro-gun proposal.  Neither did some of the vulnerable Democrat senators from conservative states, Senators such as Alaska’s Mark Begich, Louisiana’s Mary L. Landrieu, and NC’s Kay Hagan.  Massie’s amendment would likely have a Senate sponsor in Kentucky Republican Rand Paul.

Rachel- Here’s an issue that divides even strong gun rights supporters. A man open carrying a gun in a south Kansas City Walmart store alarmed shoppers early Monday.  Yes, shoppers were frightened even though open carry is legal.  A customer in the store called police to report the man.  The customer also reported the incident to the store manager. The store manager then asked the armed shopper to take his gun back to his car.  The gun owners was doing that when the police arrived. Kevin Jamison of the Western Missouri Shooters Alliance said that while open carry is legal, it doesn’t mean it’s always a good idea.

Rob- Friends, this is not how you convince the public that gun owners are trustworthy.  In fact, it is the opposite.  Your ounce of good intentions are outweighed by the ton of bad press.  Let me say this again.  It doesn’t matter how you see open carry; it matters how your audience sees open carry.  In the battle for hearts and minds, your audience gets a vote and you don’t, because it is their opinion we’re trying to change.

Rachel’s reply-  We are all ambassadors all the time.

John- The first Tuesday in August is almost here!  You might remember that Missouri Governor Jay Nixon vetoed a number of pro-gun bills after the legislative session passed.  There was also a proposed state constitutional amendment placed on the Missouri ballot.  The amendment added language protecting ammunition and accessories typical to the normal function of our firearms.  The amendment recently survived a challenge in the state supreme court, so Missouri voters may have a say in the right to bear arms after all.  The amendment gets voted on in the August 5th election.  Missouri gun owners, and their friends, get active.

Rachel- We reported several personal attacks at Target department stores since the company asked customers and staff to disarm.  Here is the first reported murder on Target property since their disarmament press release.  The disarmed victim was part of a night cleaning crew.  The victim was shot and transported to a local hospital where he died.  The assailant was a known gang member and later tested positive for being high on bath salts.

Rob- I hate it when a gun free zone fails and people die.

John – Beretta USA announced on Tuesday that they plan to move ALL production to their new plant in Tennessee. Previously, the new plant in Gallatin, TN was only intended for new production lines. Beretta USA said the reason for this was due to Maryland passing such draconian gun laws in 2013 and the anticipation that it will only get worse. The production of the Army’s M9 pistol will continue until all current orders are filled. They will be leaving their administrative, executive, and import offices in their Accokeek, Maryland location.

Rob- The polite society podcast is a little late in getting out the news, but I love giving credit when law enforcement gets it right.  In Ohio, the Union Township Police Department will host a Gun Safety Class for children from ages six through 13.  The two hour training class starts at 10 am on Saturday, July 19.  The class covers the nomenclature and safe handling of handguns, shotguns and rifles.  The class does not include any live fire training.  Donuts, juice and coffee will be provided.

Rachel- Gun Quotes
The gun control extremist has at least two things in common with the Islamic extremist. He has a willingness to die for his fundamental beliefs. And he has the sanctimony to demand that others go with him.” – Professor Mike Adams

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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  • News from Kyle Coplen at the Armed Citizen Project
  • Interview with Kevin Starrett from the Oregon Firearms Federation by skype at 5:30 pacific!
  • Interview with Luke Wagner from Colorado Second Amendment Association

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Bad choices sometimes have a happy ending, but there might be more to this story.  This home break in occurred in Carrick, Pennsylvania.  It was 2AM when two men fired through the front door of an apartment building and forced their way inside.  A 19 year old man and a 17 year old woman were in the building at the time.  The intruders forced the man into side bedroom.. the side bedroom where the homeowner kept a loaded shotgun.  Both intruders were shot.  One died at the scene.  The second intruder fell down the steps and was taken to UPMC Mercy hospital. His condition is unknown.

Rob- I hear Rachel’s comment, carry or hope you are lucky and guess correctly.

John- Sometimes there is no good solution.  40 year old John Mapp attacked his 38 year old sister.  The crime took place around 3:40 AM in West Philadelphia.   Mapp then attacked his 34 year old younger brother.  The younger brother is a paraplegic, but he remained physically strong enough to pull out his handgun and protect himself.  He shot his older brother once in the chest.   The older man was taken by police to the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania where he was pronounced dead. The sister was also taken to the same hospital for her injuries.

Rachel- There are millions physically disabled individuals who are attacked each year.  Some of the disabled can defend themselves.

Rob- Phyliss Law’s home had been broken into before.  That is why some of the windows were already boarded up in this Prichard, Alabama home.   Phyliss heard the thieves pry open one of her windows.  This time she told her granddaughter to hide in the closet.  The 63 year old grandmother wanted the the thieves to leave, but they turned on the lights and began to inventory her home.. again.  This time she was armed with a 9mm handgun.  She fired when one of the thief entered her back bedroom.  She fired again and one thief was stuck in the head.  Despite his wound, both thieves were able to flee.   Later, when the police arrived, they briefly handcuffed Phyliss Law.  She was released on the scene.  The juvenile victim and his accomplice were arrested by police.  The wounded teen survived his wounds.

Rob- Now Phyliss keeps her shotgun near her bedroom door.

Rachel- Here is a good Samaritan story from Hubertus, Wisconsin.  An innocent man was walking his dog when three Pit Bulls escaped from their backyard and charged at him. Dennis Williams lives nearby, and heard the victim scream for help. Williams saw the attack through his window and ran to help.  He tried to stop the attacking dogs with a baseball bat.  Quote “It was one of the worst things I’ve ever witnessed. The dogs were on top of the man and his dog. They were not going to stop. I first tried hitting the Pit Bulls with a baseball bat, but they wouldn’t relent. There was blood all over the ground.”  Close quote.  Williams drew his handgun and killed one of the Pitt Bulls. The other dogs then backed-away.  The man and dog who were attacked required treatment for severe bite and puncture wounds.

We say children are not trusted with firearms, yet we trust these same children to watch their siblings.

John- This San Antonio, Texas homeowner had been robbed before.  This time a 20 year old man broke into the home of a 70 year old man who was ready for him.  After the intruder broke into through a back window, the 70-year-old homeowner used his handgun to shoot the intruder three times in the leg.  Paramedics transported the intruder to the hospital, and he is expected to survive.  The homeowner was not expected to face charges, police said.

Rob-  Two home invaders in Jackson, Mississippi thought 2:30am on a Friday morning was a good time for a robbery. They thought wrong. Jonquez Porter, 19, is now dead and his accomplice Romelo Porter suffered a wound to the leg as the homeowner fought back. Police have not identified the homeowner but had this to say about the incident:

“”You’re entitled to have a weapon in your home and certainly you’re entitled to defend yourself and your home. Apparently, from all we know, this is what this homeowner did,” (Asst Police Chief Lee) Vance said. “The deceased suffered the consequences that come sometimes when you break into somebody’s house.”

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John- this in from a listener

Hey guys,
Love the show, and heard you are looking for feedback on what works/doesn’t work. I want to say my favorite parts are the DGU discussions because they give me examples to provide to others who do not yet appreciate the necessity of the right to own and carry a firearm.

Thanks for all your work.
Zach Esposito

Rachel- The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes.Her next class that has seats available is September 13th and 14th in Culpepper Virginia. Also remember that in September is the couples class in Centerton Arkansas with Jon Hodoway, Go to Cornered Cat dot com for info on her classes and details.

John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- Sheriff Gore is my sheriff and I reported on the victims in his county.

Rachel- Bob Mayne will be on our Saturday show. Bob and Ben Branam will also be doing a training class in Sioux Falls, SD in the spring of 2015. Tune in to this weekend’s show for details.

Rachel- Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 253 – Jeff Knox


“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, July 19th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have an interview with Jeff Knox, Director of the firearms coalition.
Gary Daughetry: I’m Gary Daughetry, and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun uses
Gary Harpster: I’m Gary Harpster, and we have our usual gun news
Rob: so climb aboard
Gary D: strap in
Gary H: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 253 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul: Museum story. My Son’s Birthday party story
Gary: I ordered a new left handed holster for personal and class training.
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1 Paul: Nick Leghorn over at The Truth About Guns reports that Remington has pulled all information about the R51, the handgun released this past winter just before Shot Show, off of it’s website. I REALLY wanted to like this gun, but was concerned when there were no examples available to fire at media day at the range. If true that it is going away  it is too bad. I really liked the style of the gun, it was kind of retro and futuristic at the same time. When I held the display model at the Remington booth it was hard to make the grip safety work reliably and the red dot laser was even harder to make actuate, but I thought that those things could be worked on. Alas it looks like Remington is not going to give the R51 a second try.
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2 Rob- California Governor Brown signed a bill into law banning single shot handguns. This is an anti-gun solution in search of a problem.  Single shot firearms are not used in crimes.  Nor are firearms converted from single shot back to normal semi-automatic operation.  So why write and pass such a law?  This was a must pass bill for anti-gun Democrat legislators who are eager to secure campaign funding.  Money talks in the Golden State, particularly anti-gun  campaign donations.

Gary D- Maybe the hunters that think they don’t need the NRA will join now that they can’t use their Thompson/Center Encore anymore.
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Paul- We have a lot of news from an epidemic of failed gun free zones.

3 Gary H- Jack in the Box restaurants all across the country continue to be an easy hunting ground for criminals since the company requested that gun owners eat elsewhere.  A Jack in the Box in Honolulu, Hawaii was robbed by a suspect carrying a rifle.  A Houston Texas Jack in the Box was held up by two armed robbers in broad daylight.  Including another holdup in Tennessee, two people were shot in some of the latest Jack in the Box robberies.

Brian Luscomb is Vice President for Jack in the Box.  He said, “Creating a warm and inviting environment for all of our guests and employees is a top priority for Jack in the Box.

The presence of guns inside a restaurant could create an uncomfortable situation for our guests and employees.. and lead to unintended consequences.”

Paul- Mister Luscomb, your gun free zone does not mean what you think it means.

Gary D- Another Bloomberg success story.

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4 Rob- Speaking of Bloomberg success stories.. Target Department Stores have been targeted by thieves now that concealed carriers are not welcome.  A Target customer was robbed at gunpoint by several thieves in the parking lot at a Georgia Target store.  In another Georgia Target store, a woman was severely beaten and her car stolen from the store parking garage.  On the west coast, a Target security guard approached a man for shoplifting in an Oregon store.  The thief pointed his gun at the security guard and fled.

Target’s interim CEO, John Mulligan, said: “Bringing firearms to Target creates an environment that is at odds with the family-friendly shopping and work experience we strive to create.”

Paul- Being robbed and mugged isn’t exactly the family-friendly experience I want when I shop.

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5 Gary D- Police are searching for two suspects who robbed a Chicago Transit Authority train at gunpoint.  In case you forgot, public transit is another no-carry zone for honest Illinois gun owners.  These latest robberies occurred around 4 in the afternoon on the Orange Line train between the Halsted and Roosevelt stop.  This is the train typically used by tourists who fly into Chicago’s Midway airport.  The robbers boarded the train and announced an armed robbery. They robbed several people of an iPad, two laptops, an iPhone, bank cards and $105 dollars in cash.  The thieves fled when the train arrived at the Roosevelt station. The CTA did not make a statement other than to say it’s a “police matter.”  I call it another gun free zone not working in Chicago

Paul- Maybe you can excuse a corporate executive for not understanding the nature of self-defense, but when the executive is paid that much, he should ask the experts.

6 Paul- Here is a store that should know about self-defense.. and about customer service.  Absolute Outdoors in New Kent, Virginia has a large sign in their front window that says “No loaded guns”.  Ed Levine from the Virginia Citizens Defense League asked the store how the policy was enforced.  The store’s owner had this shockingly rude answer.

“You need to add to your list of titles:
Loser
Idiot
In desperate need of a life
life long member of the tiny dick club
Just plain stupid
Now that better describes you.

I’m usually there everyday so you should drop by and see me little man.”

Most guns stores simply ask you to keep your loaded firearm holstered, but not Absolute Outdoors in New Kent, Virginia.

7 Gary H- We have another advocate for gun-free zones in Missouri.  Missouri Governor Jay Nixon vetoed legislation that allowed specially trained teachers to carry concealed guns on school grounds.  Nixon said armed teachers jeopardize safety.  The Democrat governor waited until the legislative session closed before he issued his veto.  Now the Republican-led Legislature has to wait until the September session to attempt an override.

If trained teachers jeopardize students, do the Missouri Capitol Police jeopardize safety of the Governor and legislators too?

8 Rob- We don’t often think of a county as being a gun free zone, but I live in such a county in California.  San Joaquin County, California has similar restrictions with only a few hundred carry permits.  Those of us who have to live in gun-free California counties are told that the police will be there to protect us.  There is an important difference between protecting yourself and waiting for the police.  Last week that  difference mattered.

Three armed gunmen tried to rob a bank in San Joaquin county.  A deputy spotted the robbery in progress, but he was outside the bank and the citizens inside the bank were unarmed.  The robbers took three hostages.  Two of the hostages were badly injured as the robbers tried to escape, and one of the hostages was killed by gunfire.

The police will be there in minutes, and sometimes seconds are the difference between life and death.

Gary D- The robbery took place in Stockton, and the robbers were using AK pistols.  More failure of gun control.. just like Chicago.

9 Gary D- We reported on this story a few episodes ago, but the story of Shaneen Allen goes on.  Shaneen drove into New Jersey where she was stopped by a policeman for a lane change.  Unfortunately, she was carrying a firearm, and like an honest citizen, she informed the New Jersey officer who stopped her.  She was arrested since there is no reciprocity between New Jersey and Pennsylvania where Shaneen was licensed.  Shaneen is a single mom with two children and two jobs.  She works late and was robbed twice this year.  She took her firearms safety class and had her carry license for only a few weeks.

Think about this for a moment.  This young woman drove a car that is far more powerful than any handgun.  She used a drivers license issued by Pennsylvania and recognized all across the country.. and even recognized in New Jersey.  She is also recognized as a US citizen from a birth certificate issued in another town.

As I said, Allen had a license to carry a concealed weapon issued in Pennsylvania.  That licensing process is far more rigorous than getting her drivers license or her citizenship papers, particularly for a concealed carry license from Philadelphia where Allen lives.  New Jersey ignores that license and branded her a criminal.

I don’t know if you remember speed traps in the south and southwest where small towns would use law enforcement to fine and imprison strangers.  This is the same miscarriage of justice inflicted on an innocent woman.  Allen faces a felony weapons possession charge and faces three year in New Jersey prison.  This single mom was already jailed for 46 days before she could make bail.  She was about to accept a plea deal and serve the three years when she got a good lawyer.  This is bigotry against honest gun owners.

Show me the victim if she is a criminal.

There is a defense fund on Facebook, and I hope you will call the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America asking them to help her.  You are a member, aren’t you?

10 Paul- Anti-gun groups in Nevada want to put an initiative on the ballot to legislate universal firearms background checks.  The Las Vegas Review Journal came out against the measure in an editorial.  They said the gun control proponents must “overcome the strongest argument against expanded background checks: the fact that determined lawbreakers who want a gun will not respect the laws written to disarm them.”  The editorial then went on to cite the many examples of criminals either avoiding or passing background checks.

11 Gary H- Detroit has shown that armed citizens save lives.. and might save their city as well.  Detroit has a decreasing tax base and huge municipal debts.  Much of Detroit is abandoned, and the police can’t even patrol the ruins.  Despite those tough conditions, robberies are down 37 percent year to year.  Breakins are down 22 percent and there have been 30 percent fewer carjackings.  It isn’t that the Detroit economy is suddenly so much better.  What changed is that Detroit citizens are harder targets for criminals.

Police Chief James Craig said, “Criminals are getting the message that good Detroiters are armed and will use their weapon.  I don’t want to take away from the good work our investigators are doing, but I think part of the drop in crime, and robberies in particular, is because criminals are thinking twice that citizens could be armed.”

Paul- This week’s quote come from Lysander Spooner.  “A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Interview with Jeff Knox, Director of the Firearms Coalition talking about universal background checks.  Red/Green stripe is an old proposal.  A green “G” is a known good guy.  There are a few obvious questions.  Who pays?  Will any period of review, say 5 years, satisfy the gun grabbers?

Segment 4 DGUs
1 Gary H- It is good to have friends with guns, even if they are strangers.  Donald Sacco was at an Orange County, Florida bus stop.  That is where he was attacked and robbed by Thomas Thorpe.  Thorpe Stabbed Sacco in the hand, leg and abdomen.  A passing motorist saw the attack and stopped his car.  The motorist drew his firearm and held Thorpe at gunpoint while other witnesses helped the wounded Sacco.  Thorpe was taken into custody by deputies and charged with attempted first-degree murder, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, robbery and carrying a concealed weapon.  The victim was transported to the hospital in stable condition.

2 Rob-  With friends like this, it is time to change occupations.  A homeowner in a North Houston suburb went for his shotgun when three armed men broke into his home.  One of the thieves grabbed the shotgun and the two wrestled for control of the long gun.   That is when the thief accidentally fired his handgun and struck another thief.  The wounded thief was captured by deputies and transported to the hospital.  The two other thieves escaped.

Distance is your friend in a fight.  Keep your firearms close and your enemies far away.

I’m not much of a long-gun guy yet.  Is it true that the only use of your handgun is to fight your way to your long gun?

3 Paul -

This article was e-mailed into Guns Save Lives.

A woman in Gainsville, Texas confronted a man who wandered into her yard.  She thought the intruder was high on drugs because of the way he acted when she repeatedly asked him to leave.  At that point the intruder threw his hat on the ground, and came at her. The homeowner’s 13 year old boy had his Ruger 10/22 in hand, but did not have to fire a shot.  The intruder turned and ran at the sight of the firearm.  The homeowner’s 15 year old daughter called 911, but it took the police an additional 8 minutes to arrive.

This incident is typical of most defensive gun uses.  You only call the police after the threat is apparent.  The sight of a firearm stops most attackers.  The police arrive to take a report after the event is over.

Long guns are better than nothing.

4 Gary D- Two teenagers — a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old — tried to steal Victoria Davison’s car last month while she was in it, “I want the keys, car, everything,” commanded one of the teens.  Davison hesitated, prompting one teen to tell the other, “Go get the cannon” — a reference to his gun. But Davison had a “cannon” of her own and pulled it out of her gym bag. She shot the 15-year-old. “I shot the one that was in front of me. The one in the back of me, he said a curse word, and then he looked at his friend, and then he ran off while his friend was on the ground,” Police are investigating what may be “dozens” of carjackings and robberies tied to the teens. The wounded 15 year-old is also connected to a violent shooting where he shot a 43-year-old man in the face following an attempted carjacking.

I’m sorry everybody but I am a trainer and I tend to see teaching moments. She says in the interview that she had the gun in a bag and struggled to get the zipper open and the gun out. Another reason to if at all possible on-body carry if you can.

Victoria Davison interview

Teens accused in several carjackings seen together at Children’s hospital

5 Gary H-  A guest at the Grand Hyatt Hotel on the river walk in San Antonio, Texas had to use deadly force to defend himself and a woman when a mentally ill man threatened and then charged the pair. Torres went to the sixth floor of the hotel at 1 p.m. and started breaking lights in the hallway, according to police. He started to bang on a door, and when a witness opened it, Torres said he was “looking for someone to kill,” police said.

The witness slammed the door, so Torres banged on another one, police said.

The man inside of that room waited a moment to open the door, and when he did, Torres charged him. The hotel guest drew a concealed handgun, fired one shot, and struck Torres in the chest, stopping him just outside of the door.

No charges have been filed or are currently expected in the case.

Torres’ family says the man was suffering from an unidentified mental illness.

Gary – Teaching moment – If a stranger is pounding on your door, don’t open it.

6 Rob -Two homeless Oregon men thought someone reported them to the Bureau of Land Management as trespassers, so they went to the man’s home armed with a baseball bat and took turns beating him.  The beating caused extensive head, face and back injuries. In an attempt to escape after the attack, the victim grabbed a shotgun from his home and fired two rounds into the air. The suspects fled and called police to report that they had been shot at. They were later arrested and charged with assault.

Gary D- I guess that is the Joe Biden defense.

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This one was sent in by Greg in Bremmerton,

From the NBCLosAngeles.com site.
A market robber is believed to have accidentally killed his accomplice during a fight with the owner of the El Sereno store they were robbing Friday, the Los Angeles Police Department said.
A 21-year-old man allegedly shot a 35-year-old man at the market at 11:15 a.m., according to police.
“There was an altercation with the store owner, who tried to take the rifle away,” LAPD officer Nuria Vanegas said.
The man who was shot was wielding a machete, police said.
The men’s names were not immediately released.
The store owner was uninjured.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Gary H- Email #1 From Ken in Arizona
I thought you’d like to know that Target’s “no guns allowed” policy is actually working! I just bought a new cell phone, and 2 new tablet computers, and a few accessories to go along with them. And not once did I ever consider going into Target to shop. Their policy worked. It kept me and my gun out. Apparently, smarter people than I are making good decisions after all.
Who says a “gun-free zone” doesn’t work.
Ken in AZ

Gary D- We got a message from John Willett of the Bold Departure podcast
Hi, What’s up guys? I was just listening to the episode with Russell Smith’s proposal for firearms purchases. Frankly, moving to combine photo ID and ability to purchase a firearm is a huge step in the wrong direction. I will add that we shouldn’t generate proposals based on the worst state’s laws. I have seen a proposal that makes a lot of sense. Rather than using the failed paradigm of relying on laws that prohibit activity, we utilize technology and an incentive for folks to conduct their own background check prior to a sale via a website that performs the same function as NICS does now. The website gives them a code that is good when combined with info from their existing ID for firearm purchases for a predetermined amount of time. The incentive is that the seller of the firearm would keep documentation of the sale with the code and that would provide them legal immunity against criminal action related to the sale.

Paul- The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Gary H- Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.
For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary H: be aware,
Gary D: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 252 – Another MAIG Mayor Goes to Prison

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, July 12, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty, and we’ll talk about self-defense news.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, we also have our normal DGU segment and some emails to talk about.

Gary D: so climb aboard

Gary H: strap in

Paul and hang on! Episode 252 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Gary D: Yesterday I finished training and qualifying two more students from my most recent  private Illinois concealed carry class.

Gary: Tonight Harley Nights.

Rachel: Participated in a highly successful CATI walk specially for the ladies – the Gunpowder and Lace walk – and then came home and went outside with a few friends to zero a rifle and got to fire off a couple of rounds about 15 minutes before we went live tonight. FNAR. Sweet rifle, sweet glass.

Paul: Starting the process of getting a new family member (dog), major annoyance while trying to do research for todays show, Auto loading videos that will not stop until the advertisement has run. (I will buy Dannon yogurt again sometime after I eat at Buffalo Wild Wings and get a downtown Manhattan apartment)

Matthew: Shot my first Appleseed today.

 

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Gary D – Headline – Police Bust Local Man on Felony Gun Charges – I’m sure you’re thinking good they got another bad guy off the street. But, wait. A FFL and a very vocal gun rights activist gets food poisoning so severe that he needs to be intubated in the hospital. Of course anybody who is intubated must be restrained so they don’t hurt themselves pulling the tube out of their throat. According to hospital policy anybody who is restrained has a mandatory meeting with the psychiatrist. Mandatory treatment means bye bye FFL, which I understand he has spent 6 figures in legal fees trying to get back, bye bye Illinois concealed carry instructor certification, bye bye Illinois FOID card. I don’t know what evidence was used, possibly facebook pictures of a personal gun collection, but two search warrants were issued for the man’s business and for his home where three handguns, two rifles, 1800 rounds of ammunition and some reloading gear was confiscated. Over the years he has ruffled a lot of even pro gun feathers in blog posts and on social media. Now he is being vilified for doing nothing wrong until the last minute when he didn’t immediately relinquish all of his guns after his FOID card was revoked, all because of comments made on social media. Be careful what you post.

 

Paul- It looks like there is a fight going on in Miami, and some good advice inadvertently is coming out of the policemen’s union  From the WVSN website

 

MIAMI (WSVN) — Miami-Dade County could end up with hundreds of police officers losing their jobs in a budget proposal made by Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez, Tuesday.

“This is it, start of a long-term budget strategy that will help us avoid yearly budget crises,” said Gimenez during his announcement of the 2014-2015 budget proposal.

The budget cuts close to 650 county jobs to fill a $64 million hole in the general fund. Miami-Dade Police could see the largest cuts if certain concessions are not made by the local labor union. “If we get no concessions whatsoever, then you’re looking at about 250 police officers,” said Gimenez.

If police department cuts are made, officers from administrative posts would likely shift to the street and certain specialized units that deal with robberies and child abuse cases could see positions vanish. “One of the directions I told the director was that I wanted to have the same number of patrol officers in the street that we have today,” said Gimenez.

The Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association fired back after the proposal, saying public safety is paramount and these proposed cuts will have a negative impact. John Rivera, president of the Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association, said, “If the mayor’s not going to provide security, then my recommendation, as an experienced law enforcement officer for nearly 40 years, is either buy yourself an attack dog, put bars on your windows and doors and get yourself some firearms because you’re going to have to protect yourselves. We won’t be able to.”

Rachael: Jeff Knox reports in WND.com that the USA Today has started running full page ads paid for by Bloomfield press. That is the publishing company owned by Allan Korwin. He provides many of our gun quotes. The full page ads relate what you hear each and every episode here, Defensive gun uses. These are almost never seen in places like the USA today. Korwin plans to keep running these from time to time in the USA Today and expand them out to other papers and media outlets as well. Good on you Allan, keep it up! Please check out the show notes for this episode to find a link where you can help him keep these ads going.

 

Matthew: Miguel Gonzales reports in his Gun Free Zone blog that an interesting study came out last week. The study by Garen J Wintremute was a look to find out just how many attempts were made to “straw purchase” a gun. I am going to direct you to Miguel’s blog if you want all of the details including how the numbers were reached, but the end result of the study comes out that of all attempts to buy a gun in 2011 (the year the study was in effect) one half of one percent of all attempts were illegal or only about 1 in every 200.  It looks to me like the law is working.

 

Paul:Former New Orleans Mayor and member of Bloomberg’s MAIG or as I prefer Mayors Against Good Guys Owning Tactical Stuff (MAGGOTS) – Thanks to Chaz Murray of the Roadgunner podcast who I stole that from-  Ray Nagan was sentenced this week to 10 years for corruption. He was convicted on 20 of 21 counts of bribery, wire fraud, tax evasion and other crimes earlier this year. Former Mayor Nagan was in charge in New Orleans when Katrina hit and is largely responsible for the gun confiscation debacle that happened during the catastrophe. I sincerely hope that Mayor Nagan goes to a real prison and not a club fed.

Gun Quotes

 

Gary : I have a couple of gun quotes for you:

When a person has a gun, sometimes their mind clicks that this thing will win arguments and straighten people out. –Bill Cosby

When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody. –Bill Cosby

If this is the prevailing anti-gun mindset, then I understand why they believe that the government should keep our guns out of our hands.  Of all the gun owners I know, have trained and trained with, none of them have this mindset.

 

On a more positive note, we have a quote from of all people Brad Pitt,

 

America is a country founded on guns. It’s in our DNA. It’s very strange but I feel better having a gun. I really do. I don’t feel safe, I don’t feel the house is completely safe, if I don’t have one hidden somewhere. That’s my thinking, right or wrong.

(Brad, Since I know that you have more houses than just in California, and I think that if you were to ask the LA county Sheriff if you could have a CCW he would grant you one in the MAY issue state of CAlifornia I would suggest that is it far safer to carry the gun on your person than to have one hidden away where you may or may not be able to get to it.)

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

Gary H: DGU #1

 

Jackson  Mississippi Police are looking for a third suspect involved in an early Thursday morning home invasion and shooting.

JPD Public Information Officer, Colendula Green tells us three suspects broke into a home around 2 a.m. on Myrtlewood. Police say the homeowner used his gun and fired several shots.

One person was hit in the head and taken to the hospital with life threatening injuries. A second person was found shot in the chest behind a house across the street several hours later.

Police say that suspect is also suffering from life threatening injuries. The third suspect is still on the loose.  (One suspects some training here. One chest shot and one head shot out of 3 suspects)

Rachael DGU #2

 

WISN out of Milwaukee tells the story of a carjacker that wasn’t so successful. The 15 year old criminal tried to carjack one person earlier this week. When the victim realised that he was being targeted he hit the throttle and started to drive away. The young punk fired at the victim, who drove himself to the hospital after being struck in the jaw by a bullet., Injured but alive and still in possession of his property. The next day the young Obama supporter (not in the story but added by Paul) decided to try, try again. This time he picked a woman who has a CCW and was carrying. He is in Serious but stable condition in the hospital and is facing multiple felony charges.

 

Gary D: DGU #3

 

On the last show Rob and John talked about a DGU that took place in Chicago I wanted to address that a little more — Obviously there was an argument going on and then someone went into the house came back out and started shooting. I hope what is taught in every concealed carry and self-defense gun class is first try to de-escalate the argument even if this means leaving the area. Second, the time to escape was when the guy went into the house not after he comes back out shooting.

 

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rachel: Email #1

Rob,

 

I am the John from San Antonio who took the Appleseed training with Rachel and called into  Gun Talk.  I am a pediatric orthopedic surgeon and am trying to advance gun rights in my little corner of Texas.  My area of concern is that Texas state law mandates that hospitals and nursing homes must post the state designated signs to prevent concealed license holders from carrying on the premises.  As we both know, this turns hospitals into victim disarmament zones. Unfortunately, hospital administrators are not willing to allow staff to carry. This is allowed under state law.

I also presented a resolution to our county medical society board to remove gun free zones. They voted it down 22-2. I have been in communication with Timothy Wheeler, MD from Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership to help me with the medical community. Unfortunately, he has run into similar problems in the past. On a better note, I have organized some Introductory pistol courses for medical staff. I got a couple of good instructors to do them for me. You might recognize their names: Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. The first course we got 12 students including the 16 year old daughter of a physician and one of the doctors who voted against the resolution at the county medical society.  We’ve scheduled the next one for September. I’ve also personally taken over 20 new shooters to the range in the past year and am going to take the NRA Basic and Pistol instructor courses next weekend. I’m also hoping Rachel will help me when the next legislative session convenes in 2015.

I hope to meet you at GRPC in Chicago.

 

John

 

Paul: Email #2

 

Thank you so much for your tribute to your little dog. I am so sorry for your huge loss. You especially touched me, as my doggie, Shuggie, 11 pounds of poodle love, is about the same age, with a similar history, and I thought I was going to lose him on July 1st. The previous night, he had collapsed 4 times in a 10 hour stretch. But, he recovered over the next few days and has rebounded this past week. I know the end is near for him, and I, too, dread the rapidly approaching day. Your experience is touching, and your  words were comforting. Thanks.
Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

 

Gary D: Email #3

 

Anthony Lucafo sent in a link to us relaying a story that Dick Durban is trying to push more gun control bills in the Senate. I don’t expect much to come of this, but we will keep an eye in it. After all Dick has often proved that he is aptly named.

Gary H: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of September 13th and 14th in Culpepper Virginia. Don’t forget that the Tactical Couples class is the weekend after that in Centerton Arkansas.. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

 

Rachel: Rob had a post from his SlowFacts blog.  WE are ordinary gun owners, and we have a super-power.  WE are trusted by our neighbors. The ordinary gun owner has a reputation for being honest, fun to be around, and trustworthy. That reputation is the antidote to the lies told by the anti-rights crowd because our neighbors believe us rather than the media. The question is this. Will we use our super-power for good? Will we take a friend shooting?

 

Gary D: Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…

Gary H: stay safe,

Gary D:: be aware,

Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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