Episode 320 – Gary Slider and Doc Wesson

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Episode 319 – George Hill and Second Amendment Women

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday March 22nd 2015 I’m Paul Lathrop.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about B Todd Jones stepping down as the director of the ATF.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a disabled veteran defended a pregnant woman.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also talk with George Hill about range safety instructions, so climb aboard!

John: strap in!

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 319 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- Dry practice, gun shopping and shooting.  Went to our county chapter of Gun Owners of California.  Took a class for non-resident CCWs.  I helped Kenn Blanchard with an episode.  Yesterday I interviewed Rachel Malone about texas legislation.  And I worked out.

 

Gary – I am physically ill, this week I saw the video of the fake gun store that was supposedly set up in New York City. People (actors??) went in to the store to find out information about getting a gun for self defense. The “clerk” proceeded to claim that every gun looked at was the actual gun used in a horrific tragedy, like Sandy Hook and the Walmart mother shot by her child. Then the ?customers? were interviewed after they left the store and they decided not to purchase the best tool for self-defense and they seemed to be unaware of the negative incidents involving firearms mentioned by the clerk. Of course there was no mention of the, depending on which research you believe 250 to over 2000 defensive gun uses everyday, “even a diehard gun-control advocate with any principles and common sense would admit that this fact must be given some weight.” So, fake store – lie, fake clerk – lie, fake guns – lie, gun used in crimes – lie, maybe fake customers – lie, safety training – lie by omission, defensive gun uses – lie by omission. If you have to lie to make your point you don’t have a good point. I’ve said it before and believe it bares repeating, we must only speak the truth in this argument.

 

With a total of 11 homicides and 39 additional people shot and wounded just since last Sunday in Chicago by bad people, how can any rational person think that scaring good people from getting a gun will save a life.

 

John – I had coffee on Friday with Dr. David Yamane of Wake Forest University. He is a sociologist doing research on Gun Culture 2.0 and has a gun blog by the same name. Yes, I said gun blog. He is a MAG-40 graduate among other things. He will be our guest on a future podcast next to discuss his research. Other than that, I registered for the NRA’s Annual Law Seminar to be held at the NRA Annual Meeting. I can’t believe how quickly that is coming up. Speaking of New York and ARs, I purchased an older Colt upper from a guy there. I’m wondering if he is parting out a gun due to the NY SAFE Act.

 

Paul – Interviewed on Geeks Gadgets and Guns and had a great time! – Interviewed Doc Wesson later in the day. Trying to get caught up on everything that I should have been doing for the show for the past several seeks and failing miserably. Wearing my new python gun belt from Concealment Solutions. I have been told forever (hat tip to Kathy Jackson) about getting a specific belt designed for carrying a gun. The balance and stability are SO much better than before, and I didn’t have a bad belt before.

Classes Bob and Ben on May 16th and 17th Beyond concealed carry enhanced. Looking like a sellout.

 

Kathy Jackson Aug 15th and 16th

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Seg 2- News

 

Horsehide?

 

Rob’s rant-  We’ve had e-mail from listeners who called themselves pro-gun democrats.  You can call yourself anything you want, but I notice how democrat politicians have voted to deny our right of self-defense.  That is why I’m asking our listeners who are pro-gun liberals to tell me about democrats who voted for our rights.. when their vote makes a difference.   That last part is critically important.  Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid would let democrats vote pro-gun once the speaker knew their vote wouldn’t matter.  That is why I ask you, where are these pro-gun democrats you told me about.  Where are they when it counts?

 

Not senator Joe Manchin who spoke against constitutional carry and Governor Earl Ray Tomblin of West Virginia who vetoed constitutional carry.  Not the Democrats in the virginia legislature.  Not democrat Governor Jay Nixon of Missouri.  Not democrat attorney general Kathleen Kane of Pennsylvania. Not democrat senator Harry Reid of Nevada.  I don’t see any democrats senators voting against US Attorney General nominee Loretta Lynch.  I don’t see pro-gun democrats protecting our rights in New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Hawaii or California.  I hear about pro-gun democrats in the Colorado House, but I want to see their votes.. when it counts

(crickets)

To be fair, some Republicans are hypocrites too.  We can’t get RINO legislators or the republican governor in Tennessee to support the right of self-defense.. let alone the democrats.

 

ATF Director Todd Jones Resigning
In a statement to BATFE employees and agents, BATFE Director B. Todd Jones confirmed that he is resigning. In little more than a week he will leave the Obama government for the private sector. Deputy Director Tom Brandon will serve as interim Director of the controversial agency.

Jones’ abrupt resignation comes a month after the ATF announced a ban on the popular M855 Green-Tip 5.56 ammunition. That overreach ignited a firestorm of protests from the NRA, SAF, Congress and millions of gun owners. The ATF publicly backed down, embarrassing the Obama administration. Jones then announced before a Senate committee that all 5.56 ammunition was a problem, further inflaming the gun rights community. Apparently, that level of openness couldn’t be tolerated, and the three-year director had to go.

Jones is reportedly heading to the NFL, where he will again have ample opportunities to fumble.

 

John – comment – While some are saying this had to do with the M855 debacle, I doubt it. He is going to be the investigative counsel for the NFL. To get a job like that, he was talking to them for at least the last 6 months.  The NY Post reports that the NFL sought him for their personal conduct policy and will be paying him “several million dollars” a year.

Gun Groups Rally Against Loretta Lynch
With the ATF’s proposed bullet ban on their minds, gun rights groups are making an effort to stop Senate confirmation of Obama’s choice for Attorney General. The NRA alerted its members, warning that Loretta Lynch, with her close ties to the administration, would put gun rights at risk. Other activists are hitting the pens and phones to oppose someone likely to be Eric Holder 2.0.

Lynch’s support of Obama’s lawless executive actions has troubled GOP senators, further eroding the candidates chances. Four Republican Senators must add their votes to the Democrats’ in order to confirm Lynch.  Now would be a good time to let your Senator know your opinion of Loretta Lynch as Attorney General.

 

Gov. Tomblin Vetoes Concealed Carry
Unfortunately, not all politicians respect the right to self-defense.

West Virginia Governor Earl Ray Tomblin, Democrat, vetoed SB 347 which would have given the state’s citizens the right to carry concealed without a government permit.  Citing the old claim of  putting public safety first, Tomblin scotched the bill.  He did so over the 101-33 vote of the legislature.

 

Supporters had argued the permit requirement, which includes mandated training and $100 fees, treads on 2nd Amendment rights. Delegate Mike Folk said Tomblin should have signed the bill and promises to bring the bill back next year.

 

Many citizens hoped West Virginia would join the four states that currently do not require permits for concealed carry. Better luck next year.

 

Comment- Rob- To our West Virginia listeners, better luck choosing your next governor.

Comment- John – Unfortunately, it would take a special session of the legislature to override the veto. I doubt that will happen. However, supporters including Democrats have said they will vote for it again when it comes up.

 

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Disarmed by the Maryland Legislature

-This is not a game.  The right to own a firearm is personal.  Denying that right has a terrible cost.  Listen to Jacqueline Kahn who is a rape survivor.

“Clip”

Jacqueline is also an NRA firearms instructor.   She lives in Maryland where it is illegal for her to walk to her car while armed.

 

Jacqueline testified before the Maryland Senate.  Constitutional carry is worth it if it stops one single rape.

 

Representative Vasilinda (D) Backs Guns on Campus Bill
A florida legislator agrees with Jacqueline Kahn.  Florida Representative Michelle Vasilinda broke with her Democrat brethren and voted for a bill allowing concealed carry on Florida college campuses. The cause for her defection was very personal; she had used a firearm to defend herself when she was in college.

In a moving speech before the legislature, Vasilinda described how she used a firearm to stopped her rape in her apartment. She wants others to have the same ability, saying “I would vote for every woman to be able to have that tool if they so desired. The plain truth is campuses are not safe. They are gun-free zones where murderers and rapists commit their crimes without being harmed by their victims, Only the victim has the chance to actually stop the crime”, she said.

 

Representative Vasilinda should be commended for her principled stand.

Rob, there is your pro-gun democrat.

Rob-comment- It is clear I owe her a message of appreciation.  I’ll check if her vote made a difference.

 

IGOLD

Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day was last week.  Hundreds of citizen lobbyists flooded the Springfield capital in their bright yellow shirts.  They supported legislation in the Illinois General Assembly that would allow concealed carry in places prohibited under current law, such as bus stations, churches and bars.  On the other hand, Illinois gun owners are particularly concerned about recent legislation supported by Chicago’s Mayor Rahm Emanuel.  These bills include a handgun registry (HB 5831) and tax on ammunition (HB 5167).  Those bills passed out of a House committee.  We have a link in our show notes to the online  petition opposing the illinois gun grab.  http://www.opposechicagogunlaws.com/.

Good work Illinois gun owners.

 

Four Die on Way to a Open Carry Event
The Right To Bear Arms, Richmond, Virginia organization suffered a tragic loss when four of its members were killed on the way to a Open Carry event in Ohio. The four men were traveling to an Open Carry walk in Detroit when their car was involved in an accident with a semi. Three men died on the scene, the fourth man was declared dead at the hospital. The semi driver was also hospitalized.

The hosts and staff of the Polite Society podcast extend condolences to the friends and family of those patriots.

 

An Iowa lawyer walks the walk

-It is a small gun world.  I first read a blog called learn about guns about 8 years ago.  Eric Puryear is the author.  He went to school in Illinois and now lives and works in Davenport Iowa.  He is a lawyer and an NRA pistol instructor.  As you’d expect, he encourages people to responsibly own and carry firearms.  Now Eric also has his own law practice,  and, of course, Eric pays his employees.  He pays them extra if they get their Iowa carry permit and carry in the office.  That fact was written up in an NRA news article.  The NRA story was picked up by a local TV station in Davenport.  They interviewed Eric and his staff.

 

Lawyers in many towns would be afraid if it were publicly known they carried a firearm.  We do this podcast so the ownership and possession of firearms becomes a safe and ordinary event.  Thank you, Eric for protecting your partners, staff and clients.. and making gun owners a trusted part of the community.

 

Appleseed back in Colorado Schools

-Speaking of making guns accepted and ordinary, let’s take an elementary school to the range.  An elementary class from Colorado City, Colorado went to the range last year with Project Appleseed.  The students were back at the range last week.

 

The first two days of the three day class covered stories from the Revolutionary war.  Re-enactors in colonial era costume demonstrated the tools and skills used during that time period.  Lessons on firearm safety included examples of different firearms and how they worked.  The third day was spent at the shooting range where all of the students got the chance to fire rimfire rifles. Of course, the day started with a safety briefing.  Some of the kids had never shot a rifle before, let alone handled one, so it was an exciting experience for them.

 

There was one significant problem this year.  They only had space for half of the students who wanted to participate.  That is a good problem to have, and I hope they have more than one event next year.

 

Gun Quotes

George- I’m George Hill and here is our quote of the day.  “The only thing that stops evil men from doing violence, is good men that are better at it.”

 

Paul- George, thank you for your service to our country.

 

George- a pleasure and a privilege.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

 

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

New Jersey SAW- Sandra Muldoon, Shari Spivak

The second Amendment Women were busy since we talked a few months ago.  You introduce women to all the shooting sports, from introductions to firearms, to hunting and competition.  You also have your monthly practice events so women stay proficient with their firearms and see other women shooting.  That is a lot to cover.  Tell us what you’ve done lately.

Did your members have a good time?

How has your membership grown?

Your anniversary is coming up.

What is a spartan race?

Where can our listeners find out more about you.

http://www.sawshootingclub.com

https://www.facebook.com/sawshootingclub

George Hill-

We ask gun owners to be ambassadors for self-defense.  That includes introducing new shooters to the sport.  That means we set a good example by following the rules of the range.

What about when there is no range and we’re shooting on open property?  Some of us are not Range safety officers.  How do we confidently maintain both safety and fun?  The safety brief-

George, we also thought you’d like to rant about this from the EPA (grilling while armed)

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

Disabled Veteran Defends Pregnant Woman

A disabled Florida veteran protected himself and a pregnant woman from two attackers – with his firearm.

 

Coming to the aid of a pregnant woman when she was pushed, Joshua Anderson of Port Saint Lucie, Florida, earned the anger of two vagrants. The men threatened and pushed the vet — too far. They continued to threaten even after he warned them that he had a gun. Fearing for his life, Anderson shot both men in the torso.

 

Under Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, the disabled veteran was within his rights to shoot his assailants. As Martin County Sheriff William Snyder sees it, Anderson clearly acted in self-defense and will not face any criminal charges. HIs attackers are both in critical condition.

 

Gun Free Zone Fail
Despite the power of a No-Guns sign and the full faith and credit of the Federal government’s many gun laws, an US Post Office in Ampthill, Virginia was robbed by two gun-toting suspects.

 

The robbers got away in a dark green SUV or pick-up truck. It is not known at this time if the truck was registered.

 

The Perfect House Guest
An invited house guest stopped four uninvited house guests from completing a home takeover robbery.

 

In the pre-dawn darkness, four robbers kick in the door of a Joplin, Missouri home. A few minute before, they had done the same thing nearby, holding a .45 Auto to the head of a terrified homeowner. This time, it was different: a house guest was armed, willing and able to resist.

 

One robber was shot in self-defense. The other three ran off, but were arrested later that day. They will be charged with their accomplices’ death under Missouri law. Police consider the guest to be a victim of the home-invasion and do not expect to charge him.

Geez, my guests only drink my good beer.

Get Offa My Lawn
A Tulsa, Oklahoma robber learned a powerful life-lesson that most of us learned very early on: Don’t P-Off the Old Guy.

 

Doug Jandebeur, 84, was leaving his business Monday night when a robber surprised him from behind. The thief slugged Jandebeur in the face and stole his wallet. He then left the victim standing and moved toward Jandebeur’s wife in the truck.

 

Big mistake.

 

“I pulled out my automatic and was getting ready to ventilate him. Once he saw my gun he decided to leave.” Jandebeur said.

 

As the thug’s face was captured by surveillance cameras, his life-lessons will probably continue when the cops catch up with him. Seasoned Citizen Doug has some wisdom for us all; “Anybody who doesn’t arm themselves is asking for trouble.”

(Note: This isn’t a DGU – but it is a powerful lesson and an important reminder on why we carry. )

 

Philly Teens Charged in Shooting Death of Man Walking Dog
In a brutal reminder that violence can come at any time; James Stuhlman, 51, was shot and killed while walking his dog. He was shot down not far from Philadelphia’s anti-gun Mayor Nutter’s residence. His three killers were hardly in their teens. Even at that young age, they had already been in trouble with the law.

 

Authorities said the three were looking for a victim that night. They attacked Stuhlman because he seemed like an easy target with his small dog. Stuhlman pleaded for his life, saying, “Please don’t shoot me. Please don’t shoot me.” But, he was shot in the chest. The three juveniles ran off without taking any of the victim’s possessions.

 

Fifteen-year-old Tyfine Hamilton turned himself in early Friday morning. Brandon Smith, 15,  and a third unnamed boy are also in police custody. Hamilton and Smith will be tried as adults, the 14-year-old as a juvenile.

 

As tragic and senseless as this act was, it could have been worse; Stuhlman often walked with his 13 year-old daughter.

 

A CCW may – or may not – have made a difference here. However, most people would have desperately wanted that option. It is a shame that Mayor Nutter is working so hard to deny them that choice. The listener may also ask why this story has gotten so little attention in the media, as it is a true “Hands Up – Don’t Shoot” situation.

Stay safe out there. – CF

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

This weeks email was sent in by Charles in Kansas

Guys…and Gal,

 

Just finished listening to episode 317 and Kathy Jackson was great as usual. Have been a listener for quite some time (3-4 years?) I was in the Politics and Guns camp myself. You all are part of a long list of podcast and among the favorites that I download every week.

 

Couple of things, and, you do not need to read this over the next podcast if you do not wish to.

 

Who is that heavy breather? this is the fourth or fifth episode that I have someone breathing in my ear and it is not sweet nothings , if I was to point a finger I would say it is John, sorry John but it is certainly not Rachel, and Rob was gone on Episode 316. I noticed also quite a bit of background noise this episode in particular, have you all gone to a more sensitive microphone? May I light heartily suggest backing away from the mic or using the mute if not actively commenting, especially during the times when it is just one of you interviewing a guest.

 

Though I am a veteran listener this is the first time I have reached out, and do not want to leave out without some positives. I consider Polite Society Podcast part of the new media that bucks the traditional methods, Podcasting has become a force of its own, just look at Tom Gresham’s Gun Talk, his weekly radio program is now producing a fourth hour just for podcast listeners where he brings on his behind the scenes producers and call screener to have a 30 or 40 minute round table.

Being 47 I grew up in the late 70’s 80’s reading gun articles from greats like Massad Ayoob (may the gods preserve and pickle him for eternity) , John Taffin, Ken Hackathorn, Elmer Keith (from older magazines found in my fathers garage), and a long list of others. Comics and gun magazines were tucked between the pages of my history books.

I am glad we are where we are now, is this new era of digital media, I applaud you, Polite Society, and many others getting out there and pioneering this new territory for my informational and entertainment enjoyment. Though everyone may not be as polished, I find you certainly more earnest than traditional print. You keep producing the episodes, I’ll keep listening. Thanks for the hard work.

 

Charles Cherry

Kansas

We have a note from Dr John Edeen.  I’m signed up for the Appleseed in Fredericksburg Tx April 17-18. Paul and Susan come on down. I’ve done an Appleseed with Rachel as shoot boss. It’s worth the trip.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 318 – Reloading Podcast and Melody Lauer

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday March 15th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop. And on tonights show we will talk with the guys from Reloading Radio about getting started in reloading.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the ATF backing off of the M855 proposed ban, for now.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a Texas man defends himself against 3 armed home invaders.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also have an interview with Melody Lauer about carrying for new mothers, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 318
of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
gary- Bought a gun safe.

John – went to my 3rd gun show in as many weeks and I still haven’t found how to buy a gun through the gun show loophole. It was a very small show but still fun. Gary will be pleased to know I finally found my Mission First stock. Or I should say my wife found it. My only problem now is it is for a milspec buffer tube and it has a commercial buffer tube on it.

Rob- took a friend gun shopping.. and went shopping for myself as well. Registered for a non-resident ccw class next Saturday. Worked a gun show for 2 days and gave up two competitions to do it. I met 199 friends and one guy who pissed me off. Put new springs in my wife’s guns.

Paul: Expected to be home for a 3 day weekend, and found out on Thursday that I would only be home on Friday and would be leaving again over the weekend to cover a dedicated run.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.
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Seg 2- News

Paul- ATF Backs Down on M855 Ammo Ban – For Now
Early Tuesday afternoon, the BATFE tweeted out “You spoke, we listened. @ATFHQ plans more study on the proposed AP Ammo exemption framework.”

Listen, they did: Even the haughty, tone deaf Obama administration had to listen to the NRA, 52 Senators, 238 Representatives, 90,000 commentators, many police representatives and a huge swath of angry gun owners. They backed down. It was a stunning victory for the gun-rights coalition.

However, the ATF had only promised to withhold the regulation in order to “further study” the ban. Leaving it a possibility – in reality, a certainty – that the ban will be reintroduced in the future. Never ones to respect public opinion or the law, the administration almost immediately started to walk-back the temporary hold. According to White House spokeshole Josh Earnest, the president remains committed to common sense gun rules. Then the ATF Director told a Senate Appropriations Committee meeting that he considers all 5.56 NATO to be a threat to enforcement officers.and they hope to institute bullet bans in a “rational” manner Dozens of Democratic legislators are expected to sign a letter that will be sent to the ATF Director asking him to reconsider the plan. And Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) is pushing an Armor Piercing Bullets Act.

Many of the proposals would ban all AR-15 ammunition, relying on the old rubric of “cop-killer bullets”. By extension, almost every rifle caliber could be banned by the same faulty logic. And the Obama administration has another 22 months to work its phone and pen mischief. Gun rights advocates need to stay involved and active.

As Thomas Jefferson said; “The price of freedom is eternal vigilance of those sonsabritches.”

Rob-comment- 100 million sleeping gun owners.

John- Canadian Prime Minister Says Gun Laws Too Restrictive
Things might be getting better up there in America’s attic: Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said there are too many restrictions on gun ownership. He added that guns are something people use for recreation and the vast majority do so safely. They are important for the livelihoods of rural people, recreation and personal safety.

Harper was responding to questions about Bill C-42, the Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act. The act would curtail the discretionary authority of the Provinces’ chief firearms officers. “In some provinces, those firearms officers have exercised their authority in extremely arbitrary ways.” The legislation would also increase safety around the acquisition and use of firearms and deal with some of the bureaucracy and excessive red tape,” he said.

“We’ve brought in tough penalties for the criminal misuse of firearms,” Harper noted. “And I’m always amazed at our opponents who demand that we bring in … restrictions on law-abiding owners, but actually oppose us bringing in any penalties for people who actually commit crime using guns.”

It must be nice to have a rational chief executive.

Gary- Ohio Gun Laws Liberalized
Things are also getting better in the Buckeye State.

Ohio Governor John Kasich signed House Bill 234 into law. As of March 23rd, this bill amends a many of Ohio’s firearms laws and licensing regulations. Now, Ohioans with a concealed handgun license from another state will have that license recognized if that state has entered into a reciprocity agreement with Ohio. For new residents with a concealed handgun license from another state without a reciprocity agreement, the out-of-state license will be recognized in Ohio for six months. After that, the resident will need to obtain an Ohio CCW license.

Fortunately, the new law has also made it easier to get Ohio’s CCW license. The new law reduces the amount of training time for a CCW license from 12 to 8 hours – and removes the residency requirements. Additionally, if the requirements imposed by another state are “substantially comparable” to Ohio, the other state’s license will now be recognized.

Ohio’s definition of automatic firearms has also been changed and eliminates the de-facto ban on magazines capable of holding more than 31 cartridges. Also, Ohioans can now purchase a long gun from anywhere in the United States. Similarly, all non-Ohioans can now buy from the state’s dealers.

There is more. A detailed list of the firearm-related changes taking place in Ohio beginning March 23 can be found in our show notes. Also stay tuned for an upcoming intervew with Gary Slider of www.handgunlaw.us on an upcoming episode where we talk about these changes. (http://www.lsc.ohio.gov/analyses130/14-hb234-130.pdf.)

Congratulations Buckeyes!

Rob- Why are Gun Control Advocates So Violent?
Allegedly, anti-gun filmmaker, Skye Fitzgerald of Spin Films, attacked and hospitalized pro-gun YouTube videographer William Saunderson.

The two had met at a restaurant to discuss the unexpected anti-gun bias of Fitzgeralds’ Oregon Divided documentary, to which Saunderson had contributed. During that meeting, Fitzgerald became upset over the legal recording of the discussion. A small brawl ensued as Fitzgerald allegedly took two of Saunderson’s cameras. The fracas continued into the parking lot where Fitzgerald allegedly knocked Saunderson to the pavement, breaking his arm and shoulder. Fitzgerald then allegedly fled with the two cameras.

After taking time to Tweet about the altercation with several anti-gun Oregon politicians and a lobbyist for Michael Bloomberg, Fitzgerald turned himself in to police and was charged with several misdemeanors and a felony.

For whatever reason, there seem to be a common thread to the interactions over gun issues: gun-rights proponent facing irrational, emotional overwrought anti-gun activists. There have been too many instances where death threats, violence, illogic and emotion have issued from the anti-gunners. Fortunately, the pro-rights crowd has largely conducted themselves well.

Paul- Glock Single Stack 9mm
This coming Friday, Glock will hold a press conference at their US headquarters. The web is buzzing that Glock will finally announce their single stack micro 9mm. The long anticipated G43 is said to be just a few millimeters larger than the .380 G42, with the same 6+1 capacity.

The concealed carry market has demanded a 9mm pocket Glock for years. Even though they are very late to market, if Glock has used those years to perfect the little gun, they will have a world beater on their hands. Concealed carriers will be happily swamping the gun counters.

Full disclosure: Charlie Foxtrot has been a rabid Glock Fanboy since 1986

Gary- Here is our weekly Gun Quote. “If you think a theater filled with unarmed people against a lone gunman is scary, imagine a disarmed populace against a tyrannical government.”

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.
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Segment 3 Interviews

Reloading Podcast.
#1 What should someone know before they start reloading.
#2 Rifle reloading vs pistol reloading.

#3 what should I expect to pay for equipment. What about buying used?

#4 I have heard that you don’t save any money reloading, that in truth you just get to shoot more, true?

Melody Lauer
Melody Blogs at Limatunes’ Range Diaries – Where she records her opinions, trainings and the experiences of a wife, mother and woman with a gun. Melody decided she needed training if she was going to carry. Now she’s a firearms instructor. Her youtube channel has over a hundred videos. https://www.youtube.com/user/limalife/videos

Melody, you have three children and recently put on a training class for new parents called “Babywearing and Carrying” I saw the comments on your class and thought your experience was a litmus test of the right of self-defense. A lot of people who are not a new parent became experts on what you should do.

Melody, bring our listeners up to speed and tell them more about you..
Blogging for 9 years. Instructing for 7 years. Been a mom for 6 years. I put on the course I wanted to take about being a parent who carries. Let’s train for success.

We had a mix of moms and dads for our class.
Next course is on the 28th of March. Working on an armed parents seminar that would run 2 days.
What is the name of the range where you instruct? Crossroads shooting sports.
Where do you podcast?
Limatunes range diaries on facebook. https://www.facebook.com/LimatunesRangeDiary
Where do you blog? https://limatunesrangediaries.wordpress.com/

Segment 4 DGUs

John- Mother Defends her Daughter
A Newport News, Virginia mother used a gun to defend herself and her 2 year old daughter from a home invader. “I knew the cops would get there quickly, but maybe not get there quickly enough, and I wanted to be able to defend us.” She believes because she had a gun in her house, she and her toddler are safe today.

The woman didn’t hesitate to pull the trigger, thanks to trips to the gun range with her husband. He is a James City County police officer, and was on duty when a 25-year-old man broke a window and entered the home. The woman was on the phone with the 911 operator when the invader came at her, forcing her to shoot. The suspect was taken to an area hospital with possible life-threatening injuries. The woman and her daughter were not injured.

“Had I not been able to protect myself with the gun, I don’t know what he would have done to me,” she said. “I don’t know what he would have done to my daughter, there’s no telling, but I’ll never have to find out because I stopped the situation.”

Because of her courage, and her husband’s foresight, their little girl will grow up.

Video: Full interview with mother

Gary- California Dreamin’
A man defended four members of his family when a crazed white guy (their words) kicked in the door of their apartment and threatened them all with a shard of glass. The resident shot the intruder in both legs with one shot from a M1 Carbine, earning significant style points. The drug crazed man was found by police bleeding severely nearby. He was arrested and taken to the hospital.

During the investigation, the resident was questioned for an hour and then released. No charges are expected to be filed.

Even in crazy California, the cops can do the right thing when a resident also does the right thing.

Rob- Dallas Convenience Store Manager Shoots Two Armed Robbers
The night manager of a Dallas, Texas Stop ‘n’ Rob convenience store was forced to draw his concealed weapon and shoot two armed attackers when they assaulted an employee. One robber was shot in the arm, while the other was shot in the face. One is in serious condition, the other is critical.

Police say the shooting appears justified and the manager will not be charged.

Paul Home Invasion Leaves A Robber Dead, Homeowner Injured, and a Divided Community
A home invasion turned into a desperate fight for life, leaving an intruder dead, the homeowner critically injured, and a divided community.

In the rural Texas community of Teague, a trio of robbers kicked open a door an hour and a half after midnight. At least one of the invaders was armed, and shot the homeowner in the lower abdomen. Doug Hurst returned the fire, striking and mortally wounding one of his assailants. The criminal died in the home’s backyard, a semi-auto handgun nearby. His two accomplices ran, but were arrested within hours. Hurst is in critical condition, in a medically induced coma. The dead man’s accomplices have been charged with armed robbery, and may be charged with murder for the death of their partner, with another murder charge likely if Hurst dies from his wounds.

Disturbingly, friends and family members of deceased robber/ attempted murderer are defending him in the comments of a news article. The commentators dismiss the robbery as a bad decision or a bad choice, claiming that the felon didn’t deserve to die, and that people should be “respectful” in how they discuss him. Several have threaten people who disagree with them.

What can be said about a portion of society that no longer feels the stigma of a violent, armed invasion and attempted murder of an innocent man in his home? These are strange times indeed.

John- Woman Threatened With Dirty Needle
Things are also getting a little weird in Socastee, South Carolina. A woman at a drive-up ATM was assaulted by a man armed with a dirty hypodermic needle. The woman told police she pulled out her handgun and stuck it in the suspect’s face saying “I dare you to stab me!” The suspect didn’t dare and ran off. The woman called 911 and tried to follow the would-be robber, but lost him.

Although very long on moxie, the woman was apparently a little short on situational awareness, as surveillance cameras recorded the man lurking as she drove up. Still, kudos to her for her courage and spirit.
Gary- Homeowner and Police Shoot at Home Invaders
Police and a homeowner returned fire when two break-in bandits fired at a policeman.

A Brentwood, Florida homeowner was called at work by his two teenage children frightened by men knocking and ringing the doorbell. While the kids were on the phone the men broke open the door. The father arrived at the house at the same time as the first responding officer. They went to opposite sides of the home. The police officer confronted a robber coming out of a window, who ignored the cop’s Taser and ran into the backyard. The robber then shot at the officer, who returned fire with his sidearm. The homeowner also fired his gun.

Arriving backup found the resident and a neighbor holding a wounded suspect at gunpoint. Precisely who shot the bad guy is not known at this time. The robber’s accomplice is still at large.

It’s likely the two robbers were the ones that stole guns from the same house the day before. In the strange world of thieves, they often return to the scene of a previous crime, seeking a comfortable familiarity, an aura of a past success, and regretting the items they were forced to leave behind the first time.

Rob- Woman Shoots at Three Home Invaders
A woman defended her life by shooting at three invaders in her home on the mean streets of Detroit’s East Side. A wounded suspect is in custody and police are seeking the other two. Neighbors were very supportive, with one prior victim hoping that more people would fight back against the criminals.

Detroit police say the woman is cooperating with detectives.

Paul – Armed Robber Corralled by Wrestling Star’s Husband
And finally in the feel good story of the week; a punk was robbing a Chicago eatery when he found out the hard way a patron was a former bouncer and the husband of a World Wrestling Entertainment performer. Lee Varon grabbed the hapless robber from behind. Varon held the robber off the ground for several moments before disarming him and then body slamming him to the ground. There, he held the struggling perpetrator until police finally arrived to take him into custody.

The only possible way it could have been better is if there were a couple of deadfalls and a pile-driver or two.

As Varon’s wife, WWE star Victoria said; “I think that guy crossed the wrong person.”

Rob- comment- My friends are bouncers. They are trained not to punch if they can avoid it. Varon had situational awareness that the gunman was behaving erratically.

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John- Listener e-mail discussion

Hi guys

I Drive a tractor trailer for United Parcel Service. I’m fortunate to get many hours a day to listen to podcasts Yours is one of my favorite podcasts.
I’m going to be a little bit selfish here and make a request. Is it possible for Rob and John when they talk about their blogs to mention the web address or even include the links in the podcast description?

Happy podcasting,
Robert
Hudson Valley New York

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Gary- Hello,

I enjoy listening to your show. Thank you for everything you put into the podcast.

Your summary of the current national reciprocity bills stated that for two of them, the concealed carrier must have a license from his or her home state, or otherwise be allowed to carry in their home state without one. I don’t believe this is accurate.

All four bills, as I read them, would allow someone with a non-resident license or permit to carry in any state other than his or her resident state. So a NJ resident, for instance, with only a FL license, could carry anywhere in the nation except his/her home state of NJ.

Of course, all bills leverage the commerce clause and assume the person is carrying a firearm that has been involved in foreign or interstate commerce.

There are minor variations between them. A couple of the bills allow residents of states that can carry legally in their home state without a license (such as VT), to carry elsewhere as well, without the need to obtain a license.
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For example, S.498 says the following:

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(1) an individual who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the individual to carry a concealed firearm, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce in any State other than the State of residence of the individual that–
“(A) has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms; or
“(B) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes; and
“(2) an individual who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and is entitled and not prohibited from carrying a concealed firearm in the State in which the individual resides otherwise than as described in paragraph (1), may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce in any State other than the State of residence of the individual that–
“(A) has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms; or
“(B) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes.

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A key phrase in S.498, which is mirrored in the others, is this: “…and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the individual to carry a concealed firearm…” The text refers to “a State,” not “the State of residence.” This phraseology is used in all four bills.

You’ll also note that in the bill quoted above:

– Conditions specified in paragraph 1 would qualify an IL resident with a CCL or a NJ resident with only a FL license, for example, to carry in other states. (The NJ resident would still likely be unable to carry within NJ since licenses there are practically non-existent.) This is consistent throughout all four bills.

– Conditions specified in paragraph 2 would qualify a VT or AK resident without any carry license, for example, to carry in other states, as long as they aren’t otherwise prohibited. This provision is included in S.498 and H.R.923, but not in H.R.986 nor in H.R.402.

If my interpretation is incorrect, please let me know.

Thank you,

Kevin Culp
(from Illinois)

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
I wrote an article about why the ATF backed down when they tried to ban rifle ammunition. They are afraid of waking up america’s gun owners. Let’s face it. Gun owners have been politically asleep for the last 20 years. There are 100 million of us. Even in California, gun owners could determine all statewide offices. The article is up at my blog at slowfacts.wordpress.com. All of my firearms articles are also at Ammoland. If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you’ll see me as a regular contributor.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I’d like to mention a comment of the day post featuring something by Hershel Smith of the Captain’s Journal. He said, “Here’s a warning flag to all the Elmer Fudds out there who only care about your bolt action hunting rifles, and think this stuff about AR-15s is all just a bunch of made up theater to bother pampered folk like you. They want your rifles and ammunition too. You do understand that, don’t you?” We really need to remember this is about all of us – Gun Culture 1.0 and Gun Culture 2.0, hunters and non-hunters alike, if we don’t stick together, we’ll hang together. This post and others are up at onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com

Paul:
Melody Lauer contacted us and asked us to promote a contest she is running. Take a firearms safety course, be entered to win a FREE quick-access safe. She is giving away a gun safe if participants get four hours of training.

That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Melody-? and ?
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(Guests) for joining us today.

co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it.

Next week, Sanda Muldoon and Sherry Spivak of the New Jersey Second Amendment women will join us. So will George Hill. Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 317 – Kathy Jackson

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News Segment 1: BHO on Gun Control – Again, Legislators Protesting Obama Administration’s Attempt to Ban M855, Disarmed Concealed Permit Holder Testifies about Being Raped on Gun-Free Campus, West Virginia Senate Votes For Constitutional Carry, Slate’s Braindead Support of Gun Sale Background Checks,  Record Handgun Sales In California : http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/317.2.mp3 

News Segment 2:Reciprocity in the senate and the House, Application to be foster parents denied due to CCW permits, Gun Quotes. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/317.3.mp3

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”+

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday March 8th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop and on tonights show we will talk with Kathy Jackson about holsters and gun retention.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about President Obama’s visit where he said buying a gun was easier than buying fresh vegetables.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our defensive gun use stories, a man prevented his neighbor’s kidnapping.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also cover a couple who were denied being foster parents in Nevada because they had carry permits, so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 317 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I was the great enabler when I took a friend gun shopping and shooting.  She is looking for carry guns.  I brought a friend along when we shot an IDPA match.  I learned about a gun jamming because I shoved the gun into a port rather than shooting through the port.  My article on campus carry came out on Friday.  I went to a gun store and lined up some interviews.  (Don’t the rest of you wish you could go to the gun store and say it was for work!)

 

John – I worked the booth yesterday for Grass Roots North Carolina at the Asheville Knife and Gun Show. We got a number of people to sign our petition to the General Assembly to do away with the Jim Crow-era Pistol Purchase Permit system, to put teeth into our state preemption law similar to Florida, and to require sheriffs to issue carry permits to those with long ago minor infractions or behavioral issues.  As to the gun show itself, I came home with a couple of boxes of ammo and a couple of surplus M-16 stripper clip bandoliers.

 

Paul- working a TON on classes coming up in Sioux Falls and editing some stuff that will be heard here and elsewhere soon.  Daylight savings time fallacy. 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

Beyond Concealed Carry May 16-17th in Sioux Falls with Bob Mayne and Ben Branam advanced handgun training. What your concealed class didn’t teach you. www.handgunworld.com

Cornered Cat with Kathy Jackson Aug 15th and 16th co-ed class. For registration info contact Susan@politicsandguns.com

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Seg 2- News

 

BHO on Gun Control – Again (The opening sentence is a bit strong here) (Dang, kinda liked it. We can eliminate the bold section if you want. I’d also push this item into the center of the news. – Dan)

(can we not vomit- Rob)

Obama is never far from his gun control efforts. In a South Carolina college meeting, Obama again simplistically blamed guns for violence. He claimed that in some neighborhoods it is easier to buy a handgun and clips (sic) than it is to buy a book or a fresh vegetable. In reality, this observation speaks to the neighborhoods themselves and to a man that has probably not bought a gun or book in a long time. And that the vegetable he knows best is Joe Biden.

 

Comment – John – I found it interesting that in his first visit as president to South Carolina, he chose Benedict College where he knew he’d get a friendly reception rather than someplace like the University of South Carolina, Clemson, or The Citadel.

 

Rob- It is easier for a vegetable to be elected to public office than it is for a vegetable to buy a gun.. at least in California.

 

 

Legislators Protesting Obama Administration’s Attempt to Ban M855

The Obama administration’s attempt to ban the popular, inexpensive M855 ammunition is gathering significant resistance on Capitol Hill. In just a short time, fifty-five percent of the House lawmakers, including seven Democrats, have signed a letter objecting the the proposed ban. The letter urges the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF)  to abandon the attack on a bullet commonly used in AR-15 rifles.

 

This follows the introduction last week of the Protecting Second Amendment Rights Act from Rep. Tom Rooney (R-Fla.) that would roll back the ATF’s power to regulate ammunition.

 

Disarmed Concealed Permit Holder Testifies about Being Raped on Gun-Free Campus

Gun control makes the vulnerable more vulnerable. Women are among the top beneficiaries of concealed carry laws. Where gun control is stringent, crimes against women rise. This should be obvious, even to politicians.

Rape victim Amanda Collins believes having her gun could have made a difference, and she wants Nevada lawmakers to legalize campus carry for the sake of the women on campuses now. Collins told lawmakers about the moment her attacker closed in on her in a campus parking garage. “Out of the corner of my eye I could see the university police cruisers parked across the way, and in that same moment I knew that the university police offices had already closed. I knew no one was coming to help me.”

 

Assemblywoman Michele Fiore (R-Clark) is sponsoring campus carry legislation. Her bill–AB148–is co-sponsored by 18 additional Assembly Republicans.

 

Rob- There is a great video of Assemblywoman Fiore and John Lott testifying before the Nevada Senate.  The anti-gun Senators would ask a hypothetical question, like..  Isn’t it possible that a student could get drunk and carry a gun to class.  That seems dangerous to me and isn’t that what you’re advocating?  And Doctor Lott said.  ‘They don’t.  Your students could do that now, but they don’t.  They could get drunk across the street from the college while they carry, and they don’t.  We’ve looked, and concealed carry holders don’t do that.’

 

West Virginia Senate Votes For Constitutional Carry

West Virginia senators voted 32-2 in favor of a bill to eliminate the license requirement for concealed carry. Besides rescinding the permit requirement, the bill sets the age of legal concealed carry at 18 years, not 21.

 

Senators also defeated an amendment requiring a handgun safety course before carrying. The amendment was successfully opposed as a backdoor licensing scheme.

 

There was no word about any Virginian firearms liberalization.

 

 

Slate’s Braindead Support of Gun Sale Background Checks

Gabby Giffords joined Democrat lawmakers on Capitol Hill to push for background checks at gun shows as a way of stopping violence. Naturally, the NRA pointed out that Giffords’ attacker had passed the same type of background check to acquire the firearm he used to injure her. Breitbart News further showed that Giffords’ attacker wasn’t an aberration, many other killers had easily passed their background checks. Even with hundreds of millions of dollars of expenditures and the restrictions of rights of millions of gun owners, background checks were incapable of preventing these tragedies.

 

Pointing out these inconvenient truths was too much for Slate magazine. They claimed that mentioning these things was a new low and an attempt to taunt a victim of gun violence. As if political correctness should trump the open discussion of the harsh failures of the background check schemes. Perhaps Slate should check themselves for brain damage.

 

Comment – John – That same Slate writer thinks moving St. Louis to Illinois would solve its crime problem given the gun laws of Illinois. All I can say is that whenever I’m near East St. Louis, Illinois, I want to get past it as quickly as possible.

 

Record Handgun Sales In California

Handgun sales shot to a new California record in 2014, far exceeding the 1993 high of 433,000. 1993 was the time violent crime peaked in the state. Gun sales have increased dramatically nationwide and in California during the last few years following calls for more gun control. Due to California’s draconian and unworkable gun laws, many handguns are falling off the state’s Not Unsafe Handgun List and will not be available for dealer sale. California’s handgun buyers must buy now, or lose the opportunity to exercise their rights in the near future.

 

I mentioned that I took a friend shopping yesterday for a carry gun.  Some of the off roster guns are only available through person to person sales.  You still use an FFL, but the gun store can’t carry the new guns.

 

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Reciprocity in the senate and the House

You can do something for the right of self-defense. National reciprocity bills are in the Senate and the House.  Call your Senator or congress-critter and ask them to co-sponsor these bills.

 

  1. 498 – Introduced by U.S. Senator John Cornyn (R-Texas), this legislation would respect the rights of individuals who possess concealed carry permits from their home state, or who are not prohibited from carrying concealed in their home state, to exercise those rights in any other state that does not prohibit concealed carry.  This bill currently has 20 cosponsors.

(Go around the table and call out our legislators-)

Rob- no chance with my California senators boxer and feinstein

 

H.R. 923 – Introduced by U.S. Representative Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.), this legislation is the House companion bill to S. 498.  The legislation would also respect the rights of individuals who possess concealed carry permits from their home state, or who are not prohibited from carrying concealed in their home state, to exercise those rights in any other state that does not prohibit concealed carry.  This bill currently has 12 cosponsors.

Rob- Issa isn’t a co-sponsor yet.

 

H.R. 986 – Introduced by U.S. Representative Richard Hudson (R-N.C.), this bill would allow any person with a valid carry permit or license issued by a state to carry a concealed firearm in any other state that does not prohibit concealed carry.  This bill would also provide legal protection for law-abiding concealed carry permit holders against states that violate the intent of this bill.  This bill currently has 104 cosponsors.

Rob- no Issa again.

 

H.R. 402 – Introduced by U.S. Representative Rich Nugent (R-Fla.), this bill would allow any person with a valid carry permit or license issued by a state to carry a concealed firearm in any other state that does not prohibit concealed carry.  The bill currently has 76 cosponsors.

Rob- Again, no Darrell Issa.

 

Application to be foster parents denied due to CCW permits

-Brian and Valerie Wilson want to become foster parents in Nevada. They are also both concealed carry permits holders. Because of this, the Nevada Department of Child and Family Services denied their application. An unnamed spokesperson for the department said they were denied because of concerns that a child could access the firearm and ammunition. The department’s regulations require that guns and ammunition be stored in separate, secure containers in any home where foster children reside.

 

Fortunately, there is hope for the Wilsons and other would be foster parents. They testified before the Nevada Assembly Judiciary Committee in support of a bill that would allow them to carry loaded firearms and to be foster parents. The bill is AB167 sponsored by Rep. Michelle Fiore (R-Las Vegas). As might be expected, bureaucrats at the Nevada Dept of Child and Family Services and at the Clark County Family Services are against the proposal.

 

rob- I was a foster parent.. and there many crazy concerns.

 

Gun Quotes The gun Quote for this episode comes from Miguel Gonzalez of the Gun Free Zone Blog. Yesterday he posted

 

 

Go Miggy!

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interviews.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Kathy Jackson- Kathy is a frequent guest and is the owner of Cornered Cat. Author of The Cornered Cat – A Woman’s Guide to Concealed Carry and world class firearms instructor.

 

We asked listeners to submit questions for Kathy,

 

Rachell Harris:  Exciting!!! Here are two questions…

 

  1. What does she think about using a .380 gun carried with hollow points for self defense, instead of bigger calibers. I currently have a s&w bodyguard 380.

 

  1. What do you think about bra clam shell holsters, like the flashbang?

 

Thanks! Love your book, Facebook posts and blog. Appreciate you making your book into an audiobook, thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

Carrying with a round in the chamber – (Again, please feel free to re-word this) I am hoping that you will agree with me that I would rather someone carry with an empty chamber than not carry at all, and to anyone who has a loved one that doesn’t carry with a round in the chamber I would encourage them not to apply too much pressure to get the new person to do something that they don’t feel safe doing. Kathy, are there any exercises or other recommendations that you have to help make someone who is unfamiliar with carrying more comfortable with carrying with a round in the chamber?

 

Handgun retention. (if someone wants to re-word this feel free) Kathy, I am hoping that you can talk a little bit about Handgun retention training.  I look at retention training like this. We carry guns in case something bad happens where we need to use deadly force to protect ourselves or our loved ones. This is something that actually has a statistically small chance of happening.  I have seen people online make comments to the effect of “if you let them get close enough to take your gun you already screwed up” Can you speak a little bit about handgun retention training and why it is so critical to get that training?

 

Facebook post (training costs a lot of money)

 

Rob- Kathy, I noticed that I tend to shoot to the left when I grip strongly with my right hand.  My aim straightens out when I ease my grip with the right hand and balance it with more grip from my left hand.  Is that a common problem, and a good solution?

 

Rob- Let’s extend the caliber wars to include training.  Do you like to start new students with a 22?

 

Rob- Do you like laser training pistols?  I’ve had instructors say they only want to use real guns.  Real guns help teach respect.  Other instructors say they like to use laser pistols because they can teach a student to move earlier in their training.

 

To get info on the class in April that Kathy was talking about email: aslevans@gmail.com

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Denied a Restraining Order, Woman is Forced to Shoot Stalker

An Altoona, Florida woman says she was forced to open fire on an ex-boyfriend who was trying to break into her home.  The Lake County (FL) Sheriff’s Office documented her accusations that the boyfriend had been stalking and harassing her.

The homeowner had been complaining to authorities for months about the actions of her ex-boyfriend. She told a judge that she felt like a “prisoner” in her own home. However, the judge denied her petition for an injunction, saying she had failed to prove her case and that the stalking complaints needed to be handled by deputies.

Without that meaningless piece of paper, the woman was helpless in face of that dangerous threat. Except — she had a gun.

 

rob- the cops did all they could.. they filled out a piece of paper for her.  The rest was up to her.

 

Stalking Ex’s Not Limited To Florida

Early Wednesday morning, an Indianapolis woman was forced to shoot Anthony Santura Smith, 34, her ex-boyfriend, after he kicked in her apartment door. She and her two young children were asleep at the time. Neither she nor the kids were harmed but her ex-boyfriend was killed. While the woman did not have a protective order against Smith, there had been earlier incidents of domestic violence with the police involved. Police investigators say they are pretty confident that this is a case of self-defense.

 

Neighbor saves kidnapping victim; ‘He probably would have killed her’
The owner of a local security firm saved a kidnap and rape victim after she escaped from her assailant. He essentially stared down the suspect while calling 911 for help.

 

Fred Edwards owns Knight Vision Security.  He was at home in his apartment getting ready to go to a community meeting.  As usual, his sidearm was strapped to his hip.  That is when the kidnap victim began banging on his apartment door.  Edwards talked to the badly beaten woman outside his apartment and he immediately called 911. The kidnapper, Craig Lazon, then pulled up in the victim’s SUV.  Fred Edwards said. “He looked at me. I didn’t know what he was going to do, so I held on to my sidearm without taking it out of the holster.  I told her, ‘Don’t worry.’”

 

Lazon got back in the vehicle and drove away. Police later arrested him at a motel.  Prosecutors charged Craig Lazon, 37, of Albany, Oregon with attempted murder.  While on a week long meth binge, he tied up his wife, repeatedly beating, raping and sexually assaulting her.  Lazon left their apartment telling his wife he was making preparations to drown her. Fortunately, she escaped.

 

Here’s another example where a firearm didn’t need to be fired, or even aimed, to save a life.

 

Home invasions can be deadly for both sides.

 

Jerry Jamison, 41, was at his Oklahoma City home with his three kids on Thursday afternoon. Russell Emmerling and David Cox knocked on the door which was answered by two of the Jamison kids. The home invaders then forced their way into the Jamison home. Emmerling, 21, pulled a gun and demanded money. During the struggle that ensued, Emmerling shot Jamison three times in front of his three kids. Jamison somehow was able to get control of the gun despite his wounds and shot Cox. Both Jamison and Cox were transported to OU Medical Center where Jamison died during surgery and Cox is in serious condition.

 

Emmerling escaped in a getaway car but later turned himself into police where he has been charged with 1st Deg. Murder. Police are still seeking the getaway driver. A GoFundMe page has been set up for the Jamison children as Jerry Jamison was a single father and their sole support.

 

Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

 

The first email is from Tony,

Paul,

I would like to thank you for announcing the Black History Month Diversity Shoot on your podcast, it was a success. We introduced some new shooters to the sport and informed them of the minefield that is gun ownership in New Jersey. I am hosting another event in April, could you announce this one also? It is open to anyone that wants to shoot and learn how to fight the anti-civil rights zealots. Could you post my event on your Facebook page so people can let me know they are attending? Thank you again for your help.

The following is the announcement:

 

I am hosting the second Pro Second amendment Diversity Shoot at Gun For Hire range located in Woodland Park NJ on April 16th starting at 6:30 pm. The 50 yard indoor range will be reserved for a group of twenty participants to shoot from 7pm – 9pm. Range fees are $25 per hour.

This event is to raise the awareness of non-stereotypical firearms enthusiast to the difference they can make in New Jersey’s political scene. This event is open to all people that are pro-2A, we can only win against the gun-control zealots if we are united.

I will be there with Sean Fisher from Black Bag Resources to hand out literature and answer questions about joining the NRA, NJ2AS or ANJRPC. He and I have been or are members of all three.

The range charges $25 an hour to shoot and they have everything you need to have a great time. They have rental guns, ammo, targets, safety equipment plus range officers to help insure a safe environment for everyone. Rental and ammo are an addition fee.

Only twenty people can participate in this event due to the size of the range and safety officers available so sign up quickly.

I would like to thank Anthony Colandro from Gun For Hire for all of his help. I also want to thank Sean from Black Bag Resources.

Thank you,

Tony Simon

Simon Says Train

Simonsaystraining@yahoo.com

 

Ken in Phoenix sends the next one in,

 

Paul,

Very interesting topics when your podcast wanders sometimes. This week it was truck mirrors, ( I used to drive), Star Trek, (a fan for 50 years ), and trumpet music (I played in high school). I could relate to Grant’s comments about how old trumpets don’t work today. My trumpet was indeed from the “old days”. It was made before A440 was adopted in 1926. But, my parents got a great deal on it, not knowing there was a difference. The problem was, it could never be tuned to match the rest of the trumpet section.  I was relegated to 3rd chair, even though I was the best double and triple-tonguer of the lot!

Always enjoy the diversions from the main topics, be it trucks, trumpets, doggies, or Trek.

Ken S.
Phoenix, AZ
Always a full-show downloader
and TWIG is my second-favorite 2A podcast

PS Don’t worry about “everything on the internet not being true”. With ObamaNet, it will be regulated into “all truth, all the time”.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 316 – John Pierce, Albert Almeida and Amber Kuneau

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, March 4th, 2015.  I’m John Richardson.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and today we talk with Albert Almeida about how New Jersey would rather you rent protection than provide your own.
Rob-  I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also talk with with Amber Kuneau about women as victims and as victors.
John: Attorney John Pierce will join us to talk about Virginia gun laws sitting on the governor’s desk.
Rachel: so climb aboard.
Rob, strap in
John and hang on!   Because episode 316 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rachel- I was the speaker for a TEA party club in Marble Falls last week. They had a great turnout – around 50 people wanting to be more active in politics. I had so much fun talking to them about how to direct change to achieve your goals. My premise is that change happens – we don’t have to hope for it. But we can respond with apathy, which means change just happens to us and we lose. Or we can take responsibility for directing that change for liberty.

I also taught a CHL class to 6 hardy individuals in Fredericksburg last Saturday. It was around 32 with freezing rain, but I have to admit, the range was beautiful. Everyone did great. I loved the discussion.

Rob- Dry practice a couple times.  I received approval for media credentials at the NRA convention.  Signed up for an IDPA competition Friday night.

John – I, too, received my media credentials for the NRA Annual Meeting. Other than that, nothing. Except of course my granddaughter Olivia who is gaining weight and doing well.

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Seg 2- News
John-

-Goosing the Gander
Reversing a common technique of anti-gun orgs, a gun-rights attorney wants to see who’s giving money to defend an anti-rights effort.  Attorney Joshua Prince is curious to know who’s supporting Lancaster, Pennsylvania’s fight to keep an ordinance challenged by the National Rifle Association. The NRA is suing Lancaster, contending that the ordinance violates Pennsylvania’s preemption law. In 2009 Lancaster passed an ordinance requiring residents to tell police if a gun they own is lost or stolen within 72 hours of realizing it’s missing or face 90 days in jail.

The NRA claims the ordinance violates a state law that prohibits local governments from regulating the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of guns. Lancaster’s mayor has said that the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in Washington, D.C., will provide free legal counsel if the city is sued. The Brady Bunch just may have welched on that promise. Replacing their unwise reliance on the Brady’s, the city’s defense fund has raised more than $16,000.

Prince was curious to see who has donated to support the city’s fight for its possibly illegal ordinance. He wants donor names, addresses and how much they’ve given, as well as contracts and communications with law firms related to the NRA’s suit and any other record relating to the current litigation. Prince acknowledged on his blog, that he’d like donors prosecuted, as they are conspiring with the city to violate state laws by contributing to the city’s defense. It could be very interesting to see who put their money where their mouthpiece is.

Could it be….. Bloomberg?

Learnin’ at Nevada’s Universities   
Some of Nevada state legislators are looking to… ahem… liberalize Nevada’s institutes of higher learning, at least in respect to legally concealed weapons on campus.

Republican legislators have introduced two bills that addresses guns in Nevada campuses. The first bill, AB 2, allows guns to be locked in vehicles.  The second, AB 148 allows concealed carry weapon (CCW) permit holders to carry their firearms on school property.. Hearings are set to take place on March 5.

UNLV is said to be a gun-free campus. However, it is an open campus, with the outside community having free access to the school. Naturally, the ills of the surrounding community can follow the student across the symbolic boundaries onto school grounds. Those ephemeral boundaries are very real in one aspect, they require the student to disarm in the face of reality. Students and faculty must cross an unsafe area unarmed because there can be no weapons at their destination. Even within the sanctuary of school property, there’s no real assurance: over the past three years, the university has endured a significant increase in sexual assaults.

We hope these two modest proposals are taken to heart. Simply stating the school is very safe does not guarantee the safety of a student. As reality has shown, allowing an individual to protect themselves is the best way — even in the unreal world of a college campus.

source http://www.unlvrebelyell.com/2015/03/01/campus-conceal-and-carry/

Washington Cops Hurt by I-594
Washington voters passed Initiative 594.  The voters believed what they were told.  Advertisements and a compliant media said the initiative would “close a gun show loophole>”  There isn’t, and never was a gun show loophole.  The voters probably didn’t know that I-594 was so broadly written that it could make criminals of all recreational shooters. The voters didn’t know that law enforcement officers themselves could not perform their duties without possibly becoming criminals themselves.

Washington State Rep Lynda Wilson contacted the state Attorney General.  Representative Wilson had received questions from the Clark County Sheriff Department. The department was concerned about I-594 and their ability to train legally. The Attorney General refused to provide an opinion on the law.  The Attorney General told the deputies to seek training outside the state.

Washington State law requires law enforcement officers to receive extensive training and certification in firearms use. This often requires an outside armorer to conduct trainings that involve multiple firearms.  No one knows if these transfers would require background checks. Some armorers cancelled their training courses in Washington state.  Now law enforcement agencies are being told to train out of state.  No one wants to be the test case for this miserable law.  The result is confusion and an obvious chilling effect on the rights of the citizens and LEOs.

Given this law was written for Bloomberg and by Bloomberg, the law’s confusion and uncertainty are not a bug — they’re a feature.

-There are two conflicting views of violence in our inner cities.  One view says guns are to blame for violence.  The other view says that fatherlessness, unemployment and drug gangs drive violent crime.  Fortunately, the rate of violent crime overall, and assault with a firearm in particular, have been falling for years.   Now there is an uptick in violence.. in a gun free zone.

The murder rate in New York City spiked 20% in the last two months.  There were 54 murders in the city.  That is an increase of nine from the same period a year ago.  Shootings have also climbed 20% , with 149 so far this year.  At least 19 of the slayings this year were the result of robberies, burglaries, gang warfare or drug dealing.  This year, seven drug-related murders involved marijuana dealers being robbed.

-New Jersey Assemblyman Sam Fiocchi authored a bill to exempt antique firearms from state gun laws.  New Jersey earned some well deserved criticism after they arrested 72 year old Gordon Van Gilder for having an incomplete and unloaded flintlock pistol in his car.  The antique was several hundred years old.

Assemblyman Fiocchi said “Many people collect vintage guns.  Some enjoy trading and selling while others are history buffs who attend national gun shows looking for another ‘treasure.’ Collectors and historians should not face prison for possessing or transporting such a firearm that poses no danger to public safety.”  The bill , A-4250, revises the definition of “antique firearm” to include handguns.

The charges against Van Gilder have been dropped, but the retired history teacher still has to pay his legal bills.  His go-fund-me page has collected 21 thousand dollars.  Unfortunately, he needs more.

BREAK??
Rachel- A few weeks ago Federal District Court Judge Reed O’Connor ruled that the federal regulatory ban on interstate transfer and sale of handguns is unconstitutional.  In layman’s terms, the judge said the decision wasn’t even close.  It appears the government got lazy and never presented convincing arguments to the judge.  Now the government asked for a stay on the judge’s decision.  The request for the stay was to make it easy for the government to adjust their judicial calendar.   The judge denied the government’s stay.  It is time for the government to lawyer up and file an appeal.. or to comply with the judges ruling.

-The ATF is trying to ban surplus 223 ammunition by reclassifying it as “armor-piercing” even though the bullet doesn’t come close to meeting the legal definition as required by law.  Some members of congress recognized that the attempt to ban M855 ammunition could be used to ban almost any rifle ammunition in every caliber.  Opponents of the ATF power grab won support from 40 percent of the House of Representatives, and from the Senate.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Bob Goodlatte of Virginia collected the signatures of 238 House members in just two days on a letter questioning the ATF’s surprise proposal targeting the surplus ammunition.  In the Senate, Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa is spearheading a new drive to collect signatures from his chamber to stop the move.  This may stop the ATF from reclassifying ammunition.

-Border patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered on the job several years ago.  He was shot with a firearm that the united states government deliberately sold to criminals.  The department of justice operation that sold those guns was called operation Fast and Furious.  Brian’s family commemorated a statue to Brian Terry last weekend.  The statue show Brian carrying another border patrol agent on his shoulders.  It is a moving statue.  The mainstream media ignored the commemoration of the statue in Bisbee, Arizona.  Only fox news covered it.  No one from the Obama Administration was there for the ceremony.

One border patrol agent said this off the record.  “President Obama made certain to appear with illegal aliens, promising them that he would punish any immigration enforcement agents or officers who did not follow his anti-deportation policy, (the president) appeared indifferent to the deaths of law enforcement officers killed by illegal aliens or foreign gangs.”

Speaking personally, I’m sorry that Brian Terry was murdered in a political attempt to make gun owners look bad.  I’m sorry the news did not cover his memorial.  Thank you Officer Terry.

-In late breaking news, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals said that the City of Sunnyvale could ban the possession of standard capacity magazines. They went on to say that the district court was right to apply intermediate scrutiny to this case. Note that the Sunnyvale ordinance bans the possession of magazines with greater than a 10-round capacity not merely the sale of them. There is no grandfathering of existing magazines under their ordinance. The judges said that Sunnyvale had an interest “in reducing the harm and lethality of gun injuries in general, and in particular as against law enforcement officers.”

Comment – Should we be surprised that all three judges were appointed by Bill Clinton?

This episode’s gun quote is from James Madison.  He said, “Liberty may be endangered by the abuse of liberty, but also by the abuse of power.”
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back to talk with our guests.

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Segment 3 Interviews

John Pierce at 5 pacific (cell), The law office of John Pierce Bristol VA.
Virginia Senate bill 948 to deny MD CCW info.
948 is waiting for the governor’s signature.
Another bill for rights restoration passed unanimously.
A chief LEO must sign NFA applications unless the individual is disqualified.

Albert Almeida at 5:30 pacific,  In New Jersey, you can rent protection, but not own it.
“I carry large amounts of cash, and people around there know that,” Almeida said. “The areas I enter are very high crime. I face that every single day.”
Almeida said his final straw — which served as the catalyst to apply for a carry permit — was when a tenant’s live-in boyfriend threatened to kill him.
state Superior Court in Newton, where he was once again denied for not having a “justifiable need.”
the state argued the dangers of Almeida’s job did not qualify as “justifiable need” because he had taken the job voluntarily and could choose a new career if he felt it was too dangerous.
They said your job is dangerous, but you could take a different job.. rather than protect yourself at the job you have.
That is like saying New Jersey is dangerous.. and if you think you need a gun for protection.. then leave.

Amber Kuneau at 6 pacific.  Welcome to PSP.
You live in Arizona.  You are a firearms instructor and amateur competitor.  You are also an author, and congratulations on your latest article in concealed carry magazine.
Amber is also a regular guest on the Armed American Radio show.  Amber, this is not live radio, so welcome to the fun of podcasting.
We talked about women who were armed, and women who were disarmed.  Could you tell us a little about that and about yourself.
Real stories of women.
Pappa Johns Pizza delivery driver was robbed and defended herself.
Dominos Pizza driver was robbed and raped.
Victim of domestic violence.
Women as victims and victors.
Shannon watts wants to disarm women.
Tell us about your training classes.
Women’s training classes.
Amber, where can our listeners follow you.

Segment 4 DGUs

The couple that robs together, stays together. That is until they are confronted by an armed homeowner. A married couple tried to break into a Baton Rouge, Louisiana home Tuesday morning. The husband, Jermoid Wheeler, 31, had a violent criminal history which included murder and was armed with a crowbar. The robbery began with the husband trying to break down the backdoor of the Baton Rouge home. The sound of Wheeler beating at the door woke up the homeowner – who grabbed a firearm and proceeded down the hall, where he could see someone was trying to break in. The homeowner said he ordered Wheeler several times to stop, but Wheeler ignored him, broke the door open and walked toward him with the crowbar. The homeowner fired a single shot, killing Wheeler at the scene. At that point, Wheeler’s wife, Deneatrice Cage-Wheeler, 36, reportedly ran into the home and grabbed the crowbar before running out. She was later arrested and booked into Parish Prison on counts of aggravated burglary, second-degree murder and theft of goods.

-A group of burglars in the Atlanta area found out that just because no one answers the door it doesn’t mean easy pickings. Tuesday morning around 11:45am, several burglars kicked in the door of a south Fulton County house when no one answered the door. However, the homeowner was there and exchanged gunfire with the burglars. Neighbors say they heard 30-40 shots and then the burglars tried to drive off but crashed into a hedge. Police later found one of the burglars who had been wounded in nearby woods and took him to Grady Memorial Hospital where he is in serious condition.

-This next DGU should be a reminder on why we should stay aware when out in public. A group of diners had just left a restaurant in Milford, Connecticut and were headed to their car when they were accosted by two robbers – one of whom was armed. Rumone Richard, 23, essentially began the robbery by shooting one of the diners in the neck. Fortunately, one of the other diners was carrying concealed and shot him. The other robber ran away. The diner shot in the neck was treated and released while Richard remains in the hospital in serious condition. His bond has been set at $500,000 and he is charged with attempted murder, attempted robbery, conspiracy, firearms charges and assault.

-Early Monday morning, two men broke into a house in Harrison County, Kentucky. During a struggle in the bedroom with the armed homeowner, one of the home invaders was shot. After they fled, the wounded criminal was dropped off at a hospital in nearby Cynthiana where he later died. The Kentucky State Police are still looking for the other suspect and hope to identify him from security tapes at the hospital. None of the residents of the home were injured during the home invasion and there are no reports of charges being filed against the homeowner.

John- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close
Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Concealed carry on campus.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

We spoke about NRA Board endorsements by Jeff Knox in the last episode. I compiled a list of endorsements for the Board from Jeff, from Col. Robert Brown at Soldier of Fortune, and others that I could find. If you are a Life Member of the NRA or an annual member with 5 or more years of continuous membership you are eligible to vote and should have received your ballot in the Feb. issue of American Rifleman or Hunter. From what I understand, there are about 500,000 eligible voters and only about 75,000 vote. This is worse than most off-year municipal elections! If you want to influence the direction of the NRA and are eligible to vote, then you darn well should vote!!!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank John Pierc, Albert Almeida, and AMber Kuneau for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 315 – Grant Cunningham and Alex Kincaid

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, March first, 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson and on tonights show we will talk with Grant Cunningham about SHOT Show and wheel guns..
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we’ll also talk with Alex Kincaid about gun rights and the Idaho legislature.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have not one but two DGUs from Albuquerque.
Paul: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul:  Episode 315 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

We need to start off by welcoming a new person to the team! Charlie Foxtrot (you have heard him as a guest here before) came aboard and is helping us with research and writing up show notes.  You may at some point in the future hear him on the air from time to time, but he is going to be more concerned with getting our facts straight and making certain that we are set to go on Sunday when we hit the air.

Paul – Got home a little bit early on Saturday. I was expecting to get home sometime Saturday afternoon and actually got home about 10 am. I had an interesting friday. I had another truck take off my driver side mirror and had to limp home without being able to see what was going on out the drivers side of my truck behind my window. While parked Friday evening waiting for dispatch to find a way for me to get home I got a call that one of my boss’s other trucks was broke down about 30 miles south of me and could I please drop the trailer that I was pulling in a secure yard (it’s NOT easy to back without a driver’s side mirror) and then bobtail over and pick up the other driver and drive 200 miles back home. Left about 3:45 am and got it all done, but without any fun at all.  BTW the guy that I gave a ride back to the shop spent 3 ½ hours in the truck talking CONSTANTLY. He had been driving for 2 years and knew WAY more than my 13 years according to him.)

-Rob helped mentor a group of doctors and nurses.  Keep them safe.  Keep them interested, and let the silly things slide.  I got him past the tea cup grip.

John – I went to a gun show in Winston-Salem yesterday. Saw a lot of green-tip 5.56 ammo for sale at inflated prices. The other thing I noticed about this gun show was that the show goers were more diverse than at home in Asheville. I saw quite a number of African-Americans as well as some Asians. I take this as a good sign for the gun culture. As for me, I came home with a cap and a bunch of AR stripper clips.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

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Seg 2- News

NRA’s Wayne LaPierre Speaks Up for Gun Rights at CPAC
The National Rifle Association’s CEO and Executive Vice President, Wayne LaPierre spoke before the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) this Friday.  In a rousing, well received speech,  LaPierre called the NRA “freedom’s safest place”, saying that the right to keep and bear arms and rights in general are all linked.

In the Breitbart report, LaPierre was also quick to call out “the liars” in media, who shy away from reporting the truth about guns in America.  Pronouncing anti-gun laws “a waste of time” and “nanny state social schemes,” LaPierre asserted that existing gun laws that protect the citizenry from criminals are not enforced. “Face the truth: individuals are in charge of our own security,” he insisted. Politicians can’t and won’t protect you; only “the ironclad safeguard of the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms can protect you.”

“Guns empower women,” LaPierre continued, pointing to the NRA’s Refuse to Be a Victim program, which teaches women how to protect themselves, with and without a firearm. “You don’t empower women leaving them defenseless, and you don’t strengthen a nation by taking its weapons,” he said.

LaPierre  concluded by calling for Congress to “pass right-to-carry reciprocity, and pass it today,” which received approval from the CPAC audience.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/27/nras-wayne-lapierre-speaks-up-for-gun-rights-at-cpac/
http://home.nra.org/pdf/waynelapierre_150227.pdf

Opposition to Obama Bullet Ban Developing Quickly
The Washington Examiner reports that the Obama administration’s attempt to ban a very common type of ammunition is rapidly garnering opposition. As of Friday, 172 Representatives (40%!) have already signed the letter questioning the logic and underlying reasons for the sudden revisions of the BATFE regulations. A similar effort is building within the Senate.

Legislative leaders are concerned that this is the administration’s backdoor attack on the popular AR-15 though a ban of the popular SS109/ M855 62gn 5.56 ammunition. The M855 has been in civilian hands for almost 40 years. It is a popular low cost plinking and target shooting round, with literally hundreds of millions bought for the Nation’s 9-10 million AR-15s. The proposed regulation change is a perversion of the letter and intent of the nation’s laws and a further extension of Obama’s “Pen and Phone” executive order negation of the Constitution..

It is imperative to stop this Obama adventure – Now! It will only get worse in the remaining  22 months of this rogue presidency. Comment on the BATFE proposed regulations. Call and write your legislatures. And put a little cash in the hands of the NRA, SAF, and other worthy gun-rights organizations; they’re doing absolutely critical work in defense of your rights!.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/blast-40-of-house-oppose-obamas-ar-15-bullet-ban/article/2560867

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/27/obama-to-ban-bullets-by-executive-action-threatens-top-selling-ar-15-rifle/?intcmp=latestnews

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150225/urge-your-representative-to-join-congressional-response-to-batfe-ammo-ban

John – comment – I wrote my representative urging him to sign the letter. As Patrick McHenry is the Chief Dep. Majority Whip, his signature might carry some weight. I would urge everyone to push their own representative to sign on to the letter.

John – Here is another good site to use to send a message. It gives you a choice of letters and will send a fax to both ATF and Congress.

-Judge Orders Harrisburg, PA to Stop Enforcing Three Gun Ordinances
A judge ruled that three Harrisburg Pennsylvania gun control ordinances were unconstitutional under state preemption law. Harrisburg had sought to prohibit gun possession in parks, during a state of emergency, or by minors. The judge ruled that city ordinances were stricter than Pennsylvanian law. The ruling is a positive step in the fight to eliminate illegal municipal firearms ordinances.

The judge’s rulings weren’t all good news for gun owners.  Two ordinances were left standing.  They restricted the discharge of firearms in city limits, and required prompt reporting of lost or stolen guns.

The Creepy Ballerina Must Continue to Dance

Despite an Obama visit and a campaign war chest more than 4 times that of all of his challengers, mayor Rahm (Dead Fish) Emanuel failed to poll a majority in the election and will face a runoff. The two-term Chicago mayor, Progressive strategist, political brawler, and virulent anti-gunner, will contest with leading challenger Jesus (Hay-zus) Garcia.

Chicago voters, at least the ones that are alive, are questioning Rahm’s performance as the mayor of the Nation’s third largest city. There is growing discontent in Chicagoland’s ‘hoods over his elitist administration, faltering economics, demographic shifts, failing schools and the increasing levels of violence within the city.

Rahm, who did not have a run-off in his first reelection, is said to be disappointed, angry and frustrated with having to devote energy and time to the additional campaign. Commentators are highlighting the dangers of a unified anti-Rahm effort backing Garcia. However, the few conservatives left in Chicago should not rejoice, as Garcia is described as being far to the left of Emanuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-ready-decide-mayor-emanuels-election-fate-061030558–politics.html

http://news.yahoo.com/chicagos-mayor-emanuel-hopes-avoid-run-off-election-012010483.html

(mentioned Wednesday) Emily Gets Her Gun — Permit
Fox News TV reporter, best selling author, 2nd Amendment advocate, and cutest thing under 5 feet; Emily Miller has received preliminary approval for her Washington, DC Concealed Carry Permit. She still must complete an 18 hour course with a certified instructor before carrying within the Nation’s Capitol.

(Is the following new?)

Ms. Miller is the 15th person to be granted a CCW license out of 76 applicants. Thirty-six have already been denied or have withdrawn their applications. That means to-date, a disgraceful 70 percent of applicants have been prevented from receiving their CCW permits and been denied their 2nd Amendment Rights. Emily’s national visibility as a reporter most certainly influenced the highly politicized DC process. Miller originally applied for the CCW permit because of several credible death threats and was undoubtedly deserving of the permit. However, it’s likely that the rest of the applicants were also worthy. But, that’s life in the Capitol, one of America’s most dangerous cities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_J._Miller
http://www.amazon.com/Emily-Gets-Her-Gun-Obama-ebook/dp/B00E257UK2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425068288&sr=8-1&keywords=emily+miller

http://www.examiner.com/article/emily-gets-her-gun-permit-preliminary-approval-alert-on-hearing-olympia

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/28192641/fox-5-emily-miller-gets-dc-gun-carry-permit-approved

Blame the victim in DC

-Owning a gun in DC is not like owning a gun in Frisco, Texas or Gilbert, Arizona.. two of the safest cities in America.  No.. we’re talking about about the district of columbia, a city that ranks with Baltimore and Detroit for violent crime.  We are two months into 2015, and already there have been 13 homicides and 23 instances of sexual abuse reported in DC.   There were 6 instances of sexual abuse and 9 armed robberies with a gun reported this week alone.  Assaults with a gun have increased by 31% compared to this time last year.  In total, there were 378 crimes reported this week including 61 violent crimes.

The police chief says that firearms in the hands of honest citizens are the problem.  She is wrong.  She has a bigoted prejudice against the right of self-defense.  An armed citizen is the solution.  You are hundreds of times more likely to be a victim of violent crime in DC than to be victimized by a concealed carry holder.

Handguns Should be Legalised and Licensed According to a UK Leader
From across the pond, courtesy of The Telegraph, comes an example of the worldwide desire for individual freedom.

In a major speech, Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party, stated that the United Kingdom’s 1997 ban on handguns was a kneejerk reaction and should be lifted. UK citizens had lost their rights in the wake of the previous year’s Dunblane school shooting.

Mr Farage described the ban on guns as ludicrous. He said that it was UKIP policy to create a proper handgun licensing policy allowing people who kept handguns responsibility locked up and were willing to get an official licence to be allowed them. Experts said his comments were “stupid” and would only encouraged an American-style idea that you and your home are only safe if you are armed. Well…. yeah.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10595087/Hand-guns-should-be-legalised-and-licensed-Nigel-Farage-has-said.html?fb

-NRA past president Marion Hammer wrote a rebuttal to a local editorial.  The Florida Sun-Sentinel criticized concealed carry on campus.  Hammer said the only thing to fear was the parade of college and university professors attempting to lobby the legislative committee without facts, without reason and without decorum. Quoting Hammer, “For a college professor to stand in the back of the room and scream at the committee chairman was not only inappropriate behavior; it was a chilling realization that those who refuse to engage in civil discourse are teaching impressionable students.”

Criticizing the committee Chairman Greg Evers for showing a map detailing the dozens of registered sex offenders who live in close proximity to the Florida State University campus shows yet another denial of reality. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement supplies those facts to help students and parents be aware of the dangers around campuses.

So-called “unified opposition from state universities” doesn’t make their position right, it merely reveals their willingness to march in collective unison, even when they’re denying reality.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/sfl-florida-guns-on-campus-20150227-story.html

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Segment 3 Interviews

-Grant (Kombucha Kid) Cunningham

-Alex@alexkincaid.com

Alex Kincaid of Alex Kincaid law.  Alex was a prosecutor.  She is a shooter.  She advises companies in the firearms industry.. and she has her own podcast.  Welcome Alex.

You live in Idaho.

Idaho has a reputation as being both conservative and pro gun.  The way I read it, the Idaho legislature has some unfair firearms rules.  Can’t the state legislators carry simply because they are office holders?

Do they have to go through all the background checks and take training classes like a citizen would if a citizen wanted to carry in the Capital chambers?

It sounds like the Idaho legislature granted themselves “constitutional carry”.  They can carry in prohibited places without having to get a concealed carry permit while they denied that right to Idaho citizens.

I heard the department of commerce representative from Idaho talk at SHOT show and tell everyone they are gun friendly.  Hmm.

Alex, who are your usual customers?

Tell our listeners where they can follow you.

https://www.facebook.com/AlexandriaCKincaid?fref=ts

https://www.facebook.com/IdahoSecondAmendmentAlliance/timeline

http://www.idahosaa.org/

http://www.alexkincaid.com/

Segment 4 DGUs

This week has seen a spate of home invasions.

Albuquerque, New Mexico Homeowner Shoots Knife Wielding Invader

In a quiet Southwest neighborhood, a homeowner was forced to defend his life Thursday morning. Awakened by a noise, the resident investigated, and was confronted in the kitchen by the knife-wielding intruder. The invader advanced, telling the homeowner that he was going to kill him. The owner shot, and the 28 year old criminal, with a history of breaking and entering, died at the hospital. Detectives found the back door had been forced open.

Police do not expect that charges will be filed against the homeowner.

http://www.abqjournal.com/546804/abqnewsseeker/police-investigating-ne-albuquerque-homicide.html

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3718177.shtml?cat=500#.VO9osfnF_To

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/c8ca84ff1f104817b3bbac3c0d5387b7/NM–Home-Invasion-Shooting

Also in Albuquerque, a retired Marine was the victim of a home invasion, gunshot, and vehicle theft. The unarmed Marine was unable to resist the 5-5 intruder who shot him in the leg and caused him to beg for his life.

The criminal escaped in the Marine’s truck. He is also suspected in another area home invasion where a woman was tied-up. The criminal remains at large.
http://www.koat.com/news/1-person-shot-in-home-invasion/25625564

71 Year Old Ohioan Defends Himself Against  a Break-in

A 71 year old retiree, known as a quiet, laid-back, nice guy, found himself in a fight for his life this afternoon after a man less than half his age kicked down his front door.

Fortunately, the homeowner was armed.  The resident called 911 and reported, “Some guy broke into my house, and I shot him.”  Police found the assailant’s remains on the home’s porch. The intruder was a drug addicted felon who had recently been released from prison after being convicted of burglary.  Despite the preponderance of evidence, Police say this case will be reviewed by the Grand Jury.

 

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/02/27/Resident-of-North-Side-house-says-intruder-shot.html

Updated with the capture of the accomplice.  

A North Carolina Home Invasion Leaves One Dead and One in Jail

Two men kicked in the door of a Catawba County, North Carolina home: one is dead – we can now report the other is in jail.

 Late Monday night, a homeowner was awakened by a noise from the basement. He called 911 and then fortunately grabbed a shotgun. Fortunately, as he had to use the long gun in defense of his life when an intruder came toward him. The violent criminal was shot once in the chest and his accomplice ran off. The wounded robber, a felon on parole, died on the way to the hospital. His compatriot sped off and was later arrested at his home Thursday morning.

The father of the homeowner said his son had no choice. He related that his son was “tore up” by the incident. The Sheriff of Catawba County was supportive, saying that “You do have a right to protect your property when somebody breaks in the house on you. You don’t know if these people are coming in to steal your property or coming in to do harm to you and your family.” The homeowner is not expected to face charges. The accomplice will likely be charged with murder.

http://www.hickoryrecord.com/news/sheriff-identifies-deceased-home-invader/article_fd7cd8b4-bc3c-11e4-8ce5-2b3b30687a31.html

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/deputies-man-shoots-intruder-after-home-invasion/nkG8L/

Suspected burglar killed by homeowner in North Lauderdale, FL

A burglary suspect was shot and killed by a homeowner saying he was seeking to protect his family. The North Lauderdale man encountered a burglar in his backyard early Friday morning. The criminal was allegedly attempting to break into the owner’s home where his wife, her son, and granddaughter lived. The occupants of the home were unhurt

According to police, the suspect allegedly broke into the fenced-in backyard, burglarized a shed, and then attempted to break into the home. Awakened by the noise, the homeowner armed himself and went to the backyard to investigate. He found the burglar and fired, wounding him. The burglar later died at the hospital.

In a late development, the police investigation has been reopened, and the homeowner and the son re-questioned. At this time, the status of the investigation is not known.

http://www.local10.com/news/burglar-killed-in-north-lauderdale/31516546

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/02/27/police-homeowner-fatally-shoots-attempted-burglary-suspect/

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Listener e-mail discussion

Ken in Arizona emailed this one in:

With Star Trek in our thoughts this week, this quote is from Captain Picard (TNG: The Schizoid Man):
“No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another.”
I will add, especially when those rights are enumerated in our Constitution.
Ken
Phoenix, AZ

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I have an article on concealed carry on campus. A gun free campus disarms the delivery driver as effectively as the drunk freshman.  The post is up at ammoland and my blog.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did a quick post on Friday about the hypocrisy of the head Demanding Mommy Shannon Watts. She is on a campaign against campus carry. Thanks to what her kids share on social media, I found that Mrs. Watts older daughter attends a university that has allowed concealed carry for a number of years without problems. I won’t give her daughter’s name or school as I don’t believe the sins of the parents should be visited upon the children. That said, Shannon Watts is the consummate hypocrite.

Paul – Before we go I want to talk about Net Neutrality.  I have a couple of points to bring up. #1, I have a challenge for our listeners. Besides actual defense of our borders (and even that in the last 20 years can be questioned) Name 1 thing that the federal government has become involved in that it hasn’t totally screwed up. And B I will fight tooth and nail should it ever come to the point where they want to regulate the internet so much that they demand “equal time” to bloggers and podcasters. Think that that’s never going to happen? Think of this. Compared to 20 years ago how much information do you get from blogs and podcasts vs “mainstream” media. (newspapers, television, and radio either through the regular channels or the online version.)

We here in the “new media” are becoming extremely influential. Perhaps not the Polite Society Podcast (yet) but all of us as a whole.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 314 – Virginia Legislature Fights Back

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday February 25th 2015, I’m Rob Morse.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone.  I’ll bring you the news segment and tell you about the Virginia legislature protecting concealed carry holders who travel through Maryland.

John: I’m John Richardson, and I’ll bring you a story of defensive gun use where a homeowner found an escaped inmate in his yard.

Rachel: We finally have some good news out of Washington DC.  At last, Emily Miller got her gun permit, so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on! Because episode 314 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John- Intro

John – I’m back home after the birth of my granddaughter Olivia Grace. My wife Barb is still down helping Laura in her first week as a new mom. Olivia is healthy, eating, and has started to gain a little weight back. Her picture is in our show notes!

 

In terms of gun related news, we just had a drive-by shooting here in Asheville. It was in Biltmore Village which is just outside the entrance to the Biltmore House. This is a high tourist area with pricey clothing stores and nice restaurants. Supposedly, the shooter and one of the two victims had an altercation prior to the shooting. My point in reporting this is to show that we need to be aware all the time and prepared to defend ourselves. Bad things can happen anywhere!

 

-Rob nothing in my gun world.  How about you, Rachel?

 

-Rachel- busy teaching, running more music gigs, and having a bunch of cancellations due to cold, icy weather here in Texas. Getting ready for a speaking event at a TEA party club tomorrow and a spur-of-the-moment CHL class out of town Saturday.

 

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Rachel -Here is a way to stop anti-rights bigotry, and the solution came from the Virginia legislature.  They passed Senate Bill 948 which would stop Maryland law enforcement from accessing firearms registration lists in Virginia.  Maryland does not recognize concealed handgun permits issued by Virginia.  The bill was proposed after Virginia gun owners were profiled and pulled off the road in Maryland while Maryland police went on a fishing expedition for firearms violations.  Republican Delegate Robert Marshall from Virginia said quote ““It’s the policy of entrapment that has been used based on the concealed carry exchange information that has precipitated this”  close quote.  Delegate Marshall suggested that Maryland police officers would be safer if they cooperated with Virginia and recognized Virginia license holders.  I’m sorry to report that Virginia democrats voted against the bill.  Now Virginia gun owners are waiting for Governor Terry McAuliffe to sign the bill into law.

 

2- Many politicians do what their campaign contributors tell them to do.  So far so good, but both donors and politicians break their word.  We have news that staffers from the Brady Campaign were making funding promises to Pennsylvania politicians.. promises the staffers never intended to keep.  A few years ago when Pennsylvania municipalities were regularly passing gun control ordinances, several cities only went through with the measures that violated state preemption laws because Bloomberg’’s employees promised to pay for the legal defense costs for the cities when they were sued.  Those lawsuits are here, and the Brady Campaign is telling the media that they never made such promises by claiming that the person who made the promises wasn’t really speaking for them… well not officially.

 

Then the local Fox affiliate dug up city records from Lancaster and Erie Pennsylvania that staff members from Mayors against illegal guns had made those exact promises.  There was also a case in Radnor, Pennsylvania where local politicians demanded the promise in writing, and the staffers backed down.

 

In Lancaster, the pledge came from Max Nacheman who represented MAIG and Brady at the time and would later represent CeasefirePA.  In Radnor, it appears that City Commissioner Elaine Schaefer called the Brady Campaign herself and got the pledge that the group would defend the town.  Now this all appears to be an “unfortunate miscommunication”.

 

3- Here is some good news for advocates of armed self-defense and bad news for anti-rights bigots.  It wasn’t so long ago that Wisconsin enacted their concealed carry law.  Since 2011, Wisconsin now has over a half million man-years of experience with licensed concealed carriers.  Only one permit holder has been convicted of an unjustified homicide in all that time.  That calculates to an annual homicide rate of .2 per 100,000 for concealed carriers.   Yes, the homicide rate for Wisconsin permit holders for the first three years is below that of Japan, which was listed between .57 and .4 over a 14 year period.  It is hard to compare international statistics because the United States is stricter than other countries in the way we define and report on homicide.

 

Comment, the average rate for homicide is 23 times higher than the rate for concealed carry holders in Wisconsin.

Comment-  that is good news, and we want you armed with the facts.

 

4-Here is a follow up report on the case of Gordon Van Gilder.  Van Gilder was arrested for having an incomplete and unloaded antique smooth-bore flintlock pistol in the drivers compartment of a vehicle.  Van Gilder had just purchased the incomplete pistol from a pawn shop.  The 72 year old Van Gilder suffers from arthritis.  He uses a 21 year old man to drive him to the shop.  Police searched the car where Van Gilder was a passenger after a traffic stop.  Now the police claim the 21 year old driver’s car contained drug paraphernalia.  Van Gilder’s lawyer, Evan Nappen, said the police were trying to smear Van Gilder’s reputation so the police could justify their ridiculous firearms charges.

 

(UPDATE: This afternoon, Cumberland County Prosecutor Jennifer Webb-McRae said she would use her prosecutorial discretion to drop the case.

 

“My client and I are very pleased that the prosecutor exercised her discretion wisely and we commend her for doing so,” attorney Evan Nappen said. “We’re glad that the matter has been resolved.”

 

Van Gilder’s arrest led several state lawmakers to publicly propose changes to New Jersey’s firearms laws.  Assemblywoman Caroline Casagrande said she will introduce a bill to align New Jersey firearms law with the federal statutes that exempts firearms manufactured before 1898.

 

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Rob 5- Here is more news about New Jersey.  The Second Amendment Foundation announced their financial support challenging New Jersey concealed carry laws.  Albert Almeida lives in Andover.  He operates a property management business that involves rent collections in high crime areas. He has been threatened numerous times, yet the Andover Township police chief turned down his permit application.  When he took the issue to court, the court denied his application on the grounds that Almeida “failed to demonstrate a substantial threat.”  He is represented by New Jersey attorney Evan Nappen and the case is on appeal in the state Superior Court.

 

Comment-  What does it take?  Do you need to wear a body camera so you can show video to the judge?

 

6-The citizens of Washington DC face a similar problem.  We can add another reporter to the list of citizens who had their carry permit rejected by the Washington DC police department.  Stephen Gutowski writes for the Free Beacon.  He applied for his DC permit and cited the documented threats he has received online.  It appears the magic formula is to have a police case opened for each threat.  No case implies no record.  No record implies no real threat.  It still took the DC police the full 90 days to reject Gutowki’s application.  Given the trickle of applications, that works out to the DC police department processing a single application every 1 and ⅓ days.

 

Comment- I hope the DC police don’t wear themselves out with that blistering response.

Comment- you think the judge will accept that performance?

Comment- yes, I do.  Some judges think that is doing too much to support the right of self-defense.

John- Emily Miller received the 15th carry permit allowed in DC.  The police explained their decision was based on the two different threats against Miss Miller which were documented with police reports.

 

John – I’m sure the fact that she would have gotten another book out of a denial had nothing to do with it.

 

7- The islamic terrorist group Al Shabaab issued a threat against the mall of the americas in Minneapolis-Saint Paul.  Wouldn’t you know it, but the mall is a posted gun-free zone.  Of course there are no scanners and no security personnel enforcing the gun-free zone.  Nope, they have a plastic sign that reads-

 

 

The sign won’t stop terrorists.  I doubt it stops many concealed carriers either.

 

What they really need is a no suicide bomber sign.

 

comment- What are they thinking. Imagine the huge lawsuits if the mall is attacked while citizens were disarmed.

 

8-Rabbis gathered in Prague Tuesday for training in self-defense and first aid.  The training is a response to the wave of attacks against Jews and a rise of anti-Semitism across Europe.  The training began with dozens of knives being distributed to the rabbis.  They were then taught to thwart an attack and how to treat injuries.  Their response was as serious as the subject.  The president of the united states called it a random attack when jews were murdered at a satire magazine, at a kosher grocery, and in front of a synagogue earlier this month.  Spokesmen for the rabbinical conference cited inaction from European governments for their motivation to seek training.  Other self-defense classes are scheduled in other countries.  Quote “We’ve urged the European countries to do something and we did not get a real response from them.  Jewish institutions in Europe should be protected by police 24 hours a day.  If police officers are not able to provide protection, guards appointed by Jewish organizations to protect Jewish sites should be allowed to be armed.”

 

Why are these religious leaders refusing to wait for government protection?  They have seen the deadly results of subcontracting your security to the state.  The Czech republic instituted strict gun control after a murder a few years ago.  Disarming the honest citizens had the usual effect.  A mentally ill 60 year old man murdered nine innocent citizens in a small town restaurant this week.  The message is obvious to anyone who will learn it.

 

Let’s invite Matt and Doris back on the show.

 

9-Professor John Lott wrote the book about guns and crime.  In an interview this week, Doctor Lott said terrorists have huge advantages since they determine the time and the place where they will act.  Israel is a prime example.  Quote “If you’re in Israel and … have two officers on a bus with you and a terrorist is there, the terrorist has certain options. He either can wait until the officers leave the bus and then engage in his attack, or he can kill them first.  Israel tried for decades to try to put more police, more military on the streets, but they realized that no matter how much money they spent, if the terrorists were simply willing to be patient long enough, there would be some opening when civilians were unguarded.” Close quote.

 

The Jewish state finally allowed civilians to carry handguns for protection, which removed the strategic advantage terrorists had.  Once the citizens were armed, then even if the police left the bus, the terrorist still didn’t know whether somebody in front or behind or to the side might be able to stop him.

 

Quote “Unfortunately, look at Europe right now; they still haven’t learned this lesson. They won’t let Jewish citizens carry guns for protection. They tried putting soldiers in front of Jewish facilities but the problem is soldiers can’t be on their toes every single minute, day after day, week after week, month after month.  The soldiers are sitting ducks.. They’re out in front of the buildings in uniform and the terrorists know that they’re there.  Europe faces the same limits that Israel faced years ago.”  Close quote.

 

Comment-  If the soldiers are out front, then who is protecting the back.. and the sides, and inside the buildings?  It is rigid thinking to think they will put a cop with every citizen.

Comment- how east-german.

 

10-A Democrat politician from Chicago proposed a ban on 3d printing of guns.  That makes sense because the last two prohibitions in Chicago worked so well.  I want to apologize to our democrat listeners. We are not beating you up.  We know you are not responsible for everything a democrat politicians does, but would you please make a call and give this guy a clue.

 

Illinois Senator Ira Silverstein wants to prohibit using a three-dimensional printer to create a firearm, or any piece or part of a firearm, unless the person possesses a license to manufacture firearms under the federal Gun Control Act of 1968.

 

Comment- The obvious application for a three D printer is custom molded grips for pistols.

Would ban slow down the drug gangs in Chicago for a minute?

 

We’ll be back after this with some good news from Arizona.

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John 11- Here is some good news from Arizona.  The fraction of adult head of households who want stricter gun control laws fell by fifteen percent in the last two years.   The new poll found only 33 percent who want stricter laws on the sale of firearms, while 48 percent think the current level of control is adequate.  Interest in gun laws dropped among all political and age groups, particularly among whites. Support for gun laws also declined among residents of the state’s two largest counties but actually rose slightly among rural residents.

 

12-Speaking of Arizona.. Our frequent guest Jeff Knox has issued his recommendations for the NRA board of directors.  They include Timothy Knight, Sean Maloney, Virginia McLemore, Maria Heil, Robert Viden, Joseph DeBergalis, and Scott Bach.

Jeff urges voters to cast ballots marked for only these seven candidates since the fewer candidates you vote for, the more weight your vote carries. For those who want to cast a true “bullet vote,” he recommends marking the ballot only for Tim Knight.

 

Comment-  Let me write that list down.

Comment-  the list is in our show notes.

Comment-  Oh.. right.

John – I’ll be putting up a list of the recommendations and endorsements on my blog. Tim Knight is a true grassroots activist and helped get the recall effort in Colorado started. Our friend Laura Carno has endorsed him.

 

13- Law Professor Eugene Volokh had an interesting comment on open carry published in the Washington Post.  States may regulate concealed or open carry, but must allow one or the other to the average citizen.

Suppose the state requires concealed carry.  The state can not ban someone from then wearing a shirt that says quote “I’m legally carrying a concealed handgun”.  Take this sort of  “announced carry” a step further. Say that some gun rights enthusiasts start wearing transparent plastic over their transparent outside the waistband holsters.  Holsters that hold a real gun.  This tests the limits of concealed, since an individual could be assumed to carry once the meaning of a transparent patch on the strong side hip became generally known.

The symbol, either a t-shirt with a gun graphic, with a transparent patch, or some other recognizable symbol would convey to the public much the same that open carry conveys.  Those symbols by concealed carriers say I have a gun on me, though I’m claiming that I’m carrying it completely lawfully and concealed.

 

Comment- I was wondering about making fabric covered holsters and gun stocks so your open carry rig is effectively invisible.

Rachel comment- this reminds me of my friend’s Glock Sock.

 

14-Here is another article defending the gun-culture.. in Britain.  Yes, the Adam Smith Institute in London reposted some research that says guns stop violence.  The article is called “make Britain Safer: Bring back handguns”.    The research data goes back 8 hundred years.  Quote-  the sudden historical drops in crime are consistent with the invention and proliferation of compact, concealable, ready-to-use firearms which caused potential assailants to recalculate the probability of a successful assault and seek alternatives to violence.” Close quote.

 

Here is some more English history.  The government in England placed increasingly stringent controls on guns starting in 1920.  These controls reduced both the actual and the effective supply of firearms. The homicide rate in England in 1920 was 0.84 and has grown 70 percent since then.  The assault rate was 2.39 and has grown over a hundred fold.

 

comment- Well said.

 

15- The good ol’ boy network isn’t dead in Florida. No charges will be filed against a Hillsborough County [FL] sheriff’s detention deputy, a local firefighter or several of their friends who were taking target practice when a Lithia woman’s home was damaged by bullets [sic]. Among the firearms being shot was an AK 47 [sic], according to authorities. No one was injured in the Jan. 24 incident, but damage to Dawn Bryan’s Porter Road home amounted to $6,000, she said, and included holes in the walls, trim, a pool cage and a shot-out window above a crib in a child’s room. The State Attorney’s Office said no one is being charged because investigators can’t determine who shot the bullets that damaged Bryan’s home. Bryan says investigators didn’t try very hard and that law enforcement is protecting its own. When deputies arrived, only two of the people taking target practice in the neighbor’s yard stayed around, she said. She also said no one from the State Attorney’s Office contacted her during the investigation…

http://tbo.com/news/breaking-news/no-charges-filed-after-target-practice-leaves-bullets-in-womans-home-20150224/

 

 

Gun Quotes

Rachel- There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period. Ted Nugent

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel -GUARD DOG AT NIGHT There is a lot of empty space in Northern Idaho.  Neighbors are few and far between.  So when your dog barks, you pay attention. Brian Becker followed his dog into the yard and turned on his flashlight.  Becker found a stranger trying to hide in a tree.  Becker called the stranger down and told him to stand still with his hands up.  Instead, the stranger moved toward him.  Becker was familiar with weapons from his time in the marine corps.  Becker drew his pistol and shot the stranger.   The stranger fell to the ground with a wounded leg.  Then Becker called police.  The police arrested Roy Bieluch (Bi Lu-ch).  Bieluch escaped from the county jail earlier in the day.  Bieluch was in jail for distributing methamphetamine, robbery and theft.

 

-INTRUDER SHOT IN BASEMENT A man was asleep at home when heard glass break in the basement.  Two intruders climbed in through a back window and entered the rural home in Catawba County, North Carolina.  The homeowner called 911.  He left his bedroom when he heard another door being kicked in.  Fortunately the homeowner was armed.  The homeowner shot one intruder in the chest when the intruder didn’t leave.  The intruder died on the way to the hospital.  The second intruder ran from the home and is being sought for murder.

 

-Proactive Pawn Shop with NSF- Police departments in East Central Florida area knew they had a robbery crew working the area.  The police put out e-mail alerts to local stores where the thieves might sell the jewelry and firearms they’d stolen.  The owner of Beach Pawn Shop in Cape Canaveral recognized the customer from the police description.  The store owner walked behind the customer, drew his firearm and ordered him to the ground.  The store owner said this Quote “I had to make the assumption he was armed, based on the break ins, and the theft of the guns and stuff.  He wasn’t listening and we informed him he needed to listen or he would be shot.  While it was a difficult decision to make, it was not a hard decision as an owner of a business to make.”

 

Police arrived and arrested the customer.  He is 29-year old William Hasencamp.  Hasencamp faces multiple charges including theft, burglary, and dealing in stolen property. Authorities say he is one of three thieves arrested in connection to a string of over 40 burglaries in five Florida counties.

 

TEXAS HOMEOWNER WITH NSF  This next news article about a defensive use of a firearm was sent in by our listener Scott from Texas.  This homeowner had been burglarized before.  That is why he installed an alarm system on his home in Spring Texas.  This night, the alarm told him he had an intruder.  The homeowner was armed when he met the intruder and ordered him to lie on the floor.  Police arrived and arrested 38 year old Christopher Martin of Conroe, Texas.  Martin is a member of the Aryan Brotherhood gang and was previously charged with criminally negligent homicide, with manslaughter, and with felony convictions.

 

John – Trainer Dave Spaulding had a discussion of why you and I don’t think like criminals. He made his observations based upon years of interacting with them as a police officer. Here is a link to his thoughts on the subject.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Sure do.  You remember we had Tatiana Whitlock on the show.  She asked the question why there are not professional talks like the TED talks for firearms.  I’d never thought of that, but  I started a list of self-defense talks I’d really like to hear.   I’m curious what topics you would add or remove.  So please share your thoughts.

 

John : That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on day month year. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Ben Branham of the Modern Self Protection podcast about handgun training.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s A son gives his mother a handgun as a gift, and one week later she needs to use it.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we report on an Oklahoma criminal painting his firearm like a child’s toy.

Rachel: so climb aboard

Gary H: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul: episode 313 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – We are recording this one immediately after the finish of the Daytona 500. I am half paying attention to the beginning of the race and half working on show notes, so if you hear something wonky, it is probably my fault.  Nothing gun related this week other than working a bit on the training classes that are coming up in Sioux Falls this year and looking at bulk ammo prices. I figure that I need to have about 4500 rounds of .40 to keep supply up and actually a little ahead before the summer of 2015 ends.  I don’t reload so I am going to have to go with new or remanufactured ammo. The best price I have found to this point is from a company called LAX ammunition at $239.00 for a 1000 round case.

 

Rob-  I wrote to my legislators about the ATF ammo ban.  NRA stop ATF ban of common ammunition- https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150218/your-action-urgently-needed-to-prevent-batfe-from-banning-common-rifle-ammunition

 

I spoke at a political meeting on Tuesday and asked the audience to go to a local planning commission meeting.  We filled the building, and the hall, and the outside patio with supporters for a new gun range.  The commision voted against the range permits, so the requests will go to the city council.

 

I dropped off some materials for Gun Owners of California at a gun shop.  That gun shop will start a new chapter of  “A girl and a gun” club in April.  I helped spread the word.

 

I went to a second gun store with a friend.  This gunsmith was working on my friends gun for almost two months and then decided he couldn’t do the work.  I like to use local merchants, but that was unprofessional.

 

Got my IDPA scores back.  I placed 5th out of 22.

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

 

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-Tucson Police received many complaints over the last few months.  They knew they had a drug house in the neighborhood.  They ordered everyone out of the house as a suspect dashed over the back fence and into the arms of waiting police.  The suspect threw down his firearm and was arrested.  Officers noticed something different about the suspect’s gun.  The tip of the firearm was painted orange to resemble a toy gun.

That is why we have to ask legislators what they thought would happen when they passed mandatory marking laws on kid’s guns.  Were the legislators so stupid to believe criminals would suddenly obey the law?

 

Law enforcement, must be held to the same standard as civilians.  You and I may legally use deadly force only when there is an immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent.

 

Gary- A civilian as well as a police officer must be able to articulate ability, opportunity and jeopardy before they use lethal force.

Ability means that the other person has the power to kill or to cripple you.

Opportunity means that the circumstances are such that the other person would be able to use his ability against you.

Jeopardy means that the other person’s actions or words provide you with a reasonably perceived belief that he intends to kill you or cripple you.

 

Any other standard leaves us shooting the wrong person or becoming a victim.

-We had Dean Weingarten on the last episode.  He compared the safety rates of concealed carry holders and police.  Here are more facts from the Minnesota gun owners civil rights alliance.

  • Only 0.2% of all violent crimes… committed with ANY weapon in Minnesota were committed by a legally armed Minnesotan.  So out of all criminals, gun owners are one out of 500.
  • Only 8/100th of 1% of Minnesota Permit to Carry holders committed any sort of a violent crime in 2013.  Out of all minnesota permit owners,  less than one in a thousand committed any sort of violent crime.
  • Only 1/100th of 1% of Minnesota Permit to Carry holders used a firearm in a violent crime in 2013.  One out of ten thousand minnesota permit holders used a gun in a violent crime.  Those numbers are so small it is hard to understand them.  Look at the danger of concealed carry holders this way-
  • You’re 25 times more likely to be hit by lightning than assaulted by a legally armed Minnesotan.
  • In fact, you’re 14 1/2 times more likely to be assaulted by a random stranger on the street – than you are by a legally armed Minnesotan.

Law abiding gun owners are not a safety problem.  They are the solution.

Rachel- It is obvious to us, but some media outlets uncritically post the distorted statistics used by the anti-rights groups.  John Lott tore apart the misleading statistics and pointed out their errors.  The anti-rights groups said the examples of justified self-defense showed gun owners were dangerous.  The anti-rights groups also counted a defensive gun use several times if the shooting and court case ran from one year into another.  We try hard to bring you the truth.

 

Rob- We need to ban hotdogs.  More children die from choking on their food than from accidental deaths caused by a firearm.  Protect us from unregistered bratwurst.

 

It is the truth.  All right, I’ll be serious for a minute.  Private gun owners acting in self-defense shoot more criminals than the police.  We also kill more criminals in self-defense than the police.  That is because criminals attack civilians much more often than they attack policemen.  If you study the statistics from law abiding towns, half of the shootings will be from firearms owners protecting themselves.  The police are involved in the other half.  In dangerous towns the shootings are from criminals shooting each other.

 

-This news is from the Colorado state senator who proposed constitutional carry.  Senator Vicki Marble said, quote “SB32 allows a person who legally possesses a handgun under state and federal law to carry a concealed handgun in Colorado, whether the handgun is loaded or unloaded. I don’t know why someone would want to carry a concealed unloaded handgun but there may be someone who would like to, and, if that is the case, then he/she can do that as legally as if it were a loaded handgun.

“The reason this Bill had no other sponsors is because it is the first Bill I introduced this session. There are many first Bills that have no other sponsors on them. This is merely due to the fact that we were not in session and didn’t get access to legislators the way we do when we are at the Capitol full time.

“All Republicans signed on as Co-Sponsors in the Senate after third reading.  We have great second amendment support in the Senate !

“The House Sponsor is Rep. Kim Ransom. She will do an excellent job. I am sure we will have all House Republicans signing on to this Bill if it should see third reading in the House”  close quote.

I like this Senator’s attitude.  I hope our Colorado listeners support her.

 

Rob- IDPA! Gun puzzles.

 

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-Missouri citizens passed an amendment that required strict scrutiny for firearms laws.  Some politicians and police chief don’t like the results.

The law says  “Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the general assembly from enacting general laws which limit the rights of convicted violent felons or those adjudicated by a court to be a danger to self or others as a result of a mental disorder or mental infirmity.”  A missouri police chief said that mean only individuals convicted of violent felonies can face felon-in-possession restrictions.  Not all prosecutors agree with that conclusion.

 

Rob- could this stop the firearms prohibition for old drug possession crimes.

 

-NY doesn’t like knives.  You can be arrested in New York city for owning a small pocket knife that fits on your key chain.  Meanwhile, New York has seen some of the most militaristically-armed police forces in the nation.  Now New York State Senator Tony Avella said he’ll introduce a bill to ban the possession of long, fixed blades in New York, including the ever-scary, and Hollywood-demonized machete.  “The fact that anyone can easily purchase this potentially lethal tool is just crazy,” the senator said.

 

Rob- Why are we surprised?  Governor Cuomo said that people who believe in self-protection don’t belong in New York.

 

-We were told how guns cause crime and we would be safer in a gun free zone.  New statistics are now out.  They show how dangerous it is to be in the the Maryland state prison system.  The prison system is the ultimate gun free zone.. where the murder rate is three times the national average.

 

-It looks like the Cumberland county New Jersey sheriff’s department decided  the department  looks bad for them to charge a 70 plus year old man with a felony for possessing a 300 plus year old flintlock pistol.  The sheriff’s department went on the offense this week by publicly  speculating that the suspect, retired teacher Gordon Van Gilder, was a druggie.  This despite the fact that up to the point that we record this show that the firearm possession charge is the only crime Mr Van Gilder is charged with.  The best part of the story that we found in the Daily Mail was quote by attorney Evan Nappen.  “Obviously, flintlocks are the weapon of choice for drug dealers. My [72-year-old severely] arthritic client was given a ride to [retrieve] his 18th century antique. He is not on drugs, but the folks who made New Jersey’s gun laws may well have been.”

 

– Thanks to the group  “Jews Can Shoot” for pointing out this next story for us! The Houston Chronicle is stretching things a bit  as they fight against campus carry in Texas. In the February 21st editorial they ran a piece that claimed that it would cost “tens of millions of dollars” to implement concealed carry on campus, with most of the cost being the beefing up of police on campus. Of course that money would come from things like cancer research.

 

Rob-comment- I saw this before.  College administrators will choose the most restrictive and expensive alternatives to simply allowing concealed carry on campus.

 

Rachel- except for Texas A&M.  They encouraged campus carry.  Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp told Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick he has no objection to the Campus Carry Bill now pending in the Texas State Senate.  Chancellor Sharp wrote to the Lt Governor and said, ““Having licensed gun owners in possession of legal weapons on our campuses does not raise safety concerns for me personally.  The real question is this: ‘Do I trust my students, faculty and staff to work and live responsibly under the same laws at the university as they do at home?’ Of course I do!”

https://files.ctctcdn.com/0192eb9a001/226dbd40-c257-4cb9-abc9-bc8ec552695e.pdf

 

Paul Gun Quotes- Liberalizing concealed carry laws won’t lead to a return to the Wild West- though it wouldn’t be bad if it did.  In 19th century cattle towns, homicide was confined to transient males who shot each other in saloon disturbances. The per capita robbery rate was 7% of modern New York City’s. The burglary rate was 1%. Rape was unknown. – That is from David Kopel who is the Research Director of the Independence Institute.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with Ben Branam!

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Segment 3 Interviews

Ben Branam – Host of the Modern Self Protection podcast.

  1. Getting excited about the beyond concealed carry enhanced class that you and Bob Mayne are going to be doing in Sioux Falls. You guys have recently started traveling to do classes, so for those that aren’t in the Texas area what is the beyond concealed carry enhanced class about and what can they expect?  Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced - May 16th-17th 2015
  2. Your training with the government was a lot of rifle and teamwork, with contracting you got some training with handgun. How does that transfer over to teaching civilians for civilian use?
  3. I want to talk a little bit about your most recent show that I have listened to about parking your car.  I have found in my own experience that it is important to park in a way such that you can drive out rather than back out, and that you may have to practice backing to be able to do that every time.
  4. Since you work part time in a gun shop now, let me ask you what has come out recently that you really like?

Segment 4 DGUs

-This news story was sent in by listener Scott from Houston, Texas.  A Northwest Houston apartment resident called police early in the moring  to report he had just shot a burglar. Police found the burglar with a gunshot wound to the head. They also found signs of forced entry to the door and window of the second-floor apartment. Several intruders broke down the door and fought with the homeowner before the homeowner defended himself.  The other thieves ran.  The burglar was taken to a local hospital for treatment. The homeowner was questioned, but not charged. Neighbors say this isn’t the first time something like this has happened at their apartment complex.  One resident’s home was robbed earlier in the week.  Another resident had his car broken into as well as his appartment.

 

Rob- I’m loud and proud ‘caus I carry a 45?

 

-Our parents are growing older.  A woman in Columbus, Ohio had recently become a widow.  Her son was concerned for her safety as she lived alone.  It isn’t a safe neighborhood, and they bought a gun for her a week ago.  At about 5 in the morning a thief broke into a home across the street.  The homeowners pushed him back outside through a second story window.  A few minutes later, the widow across the street heard someone break into her home by smashing through her front window.  She shot the intruder.  The intruder was taken to a local hospital and died a few hours later.

 

-We’ve reported in the past that the mere presence of a firearm is sometimes all that is necessary to stop a crime.  When Christopher Harjo came into Debi’s Filling Station restaurant in Okmulgee, OK Tuesday morning, he was looking for a fight. He confronted one of their customer and then pulled a knife on the man. That is is when another customer who was a concealed carry holder stepped in. According to waitress Dayna Rucker, he drew his gun and said to her, ‘He’s got a knife. Put your knife away. I have a gun.” He had a concealed-carry license and he was very clear about what he had.” Harjo, who it seems was quite drunk, sobered up enough to realize that a gun beats a knife and he ran out of the restaurant into the arms of an Okmulgee police officer who just arrived. Harjo faces several charges including assault with a deadly weapon. Restaurant employees were very grateful that the patron was armed and able to stop the potential attack.

 

-A pharmacist in Pinch, West Virginia had walked away from the pharmacy counter when a customer pulled a gun on two other pharmacy clerks and said this was a hold-up.  The pharmacist moved towards the employees and the gunman, and then the pharmacist drew his own firearm.  The pharmacist shot the robber in the chest.  The robber ducked, but raised his firearm.  That was when the robber was shot again.  There were eight customers in the store.  The robber fled into the store rather than running out the door immediately behind him.  The pharmacist shot again, and this time struck the robbers firearm..  The robber was taken to a local hospital where he died of his injuries.  The pharmacist was back in the store the next day.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Jeff Armstrong emailed this one in

Wild pigs; A parable and a fact.

One day while in class at a large college, a professor noticed one young man, an exchange student, who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.  The professor asked the young man what was the matter.

The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country’s government and install a new communist regime.

In the midst of his story, the student looked at the professor and asked a strange question, “Do you know how to catch wild pigs?”

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.  The young man assured the professor that his question was no joke and went on to say.

“You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free corn.

When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence.

They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side.

The pigs, which are now used to and want the free corn, eventually begin to come through the gate to get to the free corn.

When all the pigs get inside, you slam the gate and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They are confused and run around inside the fence, but soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.”

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America .

The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, welfare entitlements, medicine, drugs, etc., while we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time.

God help us all when the gate slams shut!

Marx once said, “Remove one freedom per generation and soon you will have no freedom and no one would have noticed.”

 

Thank you, Jeff.

 

Tony emailed this one in

Paul,

I would like to thank you for announcing the Black History Month shoot on your podcast. It was a success, I will be hosting more of these shoots. We had a respectable number of people show up for an event that only had 2 weeks advanced notice.  Three young men had never held a gun before but after shooting various Ruger 10/22s, a Henry lever action in 22LR and various handguns they are fans of the sport. Myself and Sean, of BlackBagResources.com, shared our knowledge of New Jersey gun laws and the various organizations that fights against new laws. They were also informed of how easy and how important it is to contact legislators and make their voices heard. I would like to thank Anthony Colandro, from Gun For Hire in Woodland Park NJ and Sean Fisher of BlackBagResources.com for their help. More events will take place in the future and I would appreciate the help of The Polite Society podcast.

Thank you,

Tony

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Ben Branam for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

  1. Treat every firearm as if it’s loaded.
  2. Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
  3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.
  4. Always be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

 

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Episode 312 – Alexander Roubian, Richard Smith, Dean Weingarten, Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.mp3

Individual show segments

Segment 1:  Rob and Rachel open the show and talk about what has been happening with them since the last episode.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.1.mp3

Segment 2: News segment 1. Anti-Gun activists caught with guns where they shouldn’t have them. Interview with Dean Weingarten, are concealed permit holders really more law abiding than police?  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.2.mp3

Segment 3: News segment 2. Stepehen Josey gets an appeal. ATF says it doesn’t need to file the changes ban of popular rifle ammo to the federal register. Legislation to pass more restrictions in Vermont hits a snag. Texas Governor lists open carry as a priority. Campus carry issues. Gun Quote.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.3.mp3

Segment 4: Interview with Alexander Rubian, President of NJ2AS http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.4.mp3

Segment 5: Interview with Richard Smith of the Second Amendment Foundation Training Division.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.5.mp3

Segment 6: Interview with Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.6.mp3

Segment 7: DGUs and show close http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.7.mp3

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, February 18th, 2015. I’m Rachel Malone.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we’ll talk with Alexander Roubian of NJ2AS, and Richard Smith from the SAF training division, and Dean Weingarten from the Gun Watch blog.
Rachel-  and we’ll also talk with Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack of Second Amendment Women.
Rob- did I tell you about anti-gun celebrities being caught illegally carrying handguns?  We have that and a lot more,
Rachel- so climb aboard
Rob- strap in
Rachel- and hang on! Episode 312 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- lead in  This is the personal news segment of the polite society podcast.  John is off supervising the birth of a grandchild, so we have Rachel and I to hold down the podcast today.  Rachel, How is your gun world? Have you caught up on sleep after living in the Texas Senate building last week?

Rachel- I have caught up on sleep…just in time for the start of Jordan’s spring football. ;) It’s all good. Nothing strictly with guns this past week…I need to change that…but if you can expand that to general preparedness, I do have news. Jordan and I are setting up a home gym and I found a bunch of great stuff off of Craigslist. Very excited about that.

As a follow-up to last week’s committee hearing – the witness list was posted today. I’ve been looking forward to perusing it and learning what I can. Here’s what we’ve found after a quick reading this afternoon:
77% of those “against” came from Austin, TX; 23% came from elsewhere.
21% of those “for” or “on” came from Austin, TX; 79% came from elsewhere.
78% of those “against” only dropped a registration card.
35% of those “for” or “on” only dropped a registration card.

Rob- The local city planning commission is using lame excuses to refuse a gun range the building permits it needs.  I spoke about it at a local political meeting and asked the audience to go to the planning commission meeting  that is happening right now.  They reminded me of the ATF.  The ATF said cheap 223 ammunition has no sporting purpose.  Scuse me?  What else are you going to do with cheap ammo but shoot it for sport?  The local planning commission said the range was not for recreation.  What they meant to say is we don’t like your kind around here.

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Seg 2- News

Rachel gives us the news

-David Malik is a leading civil rights attorney in Cleveland, Ohio.  He also doesn’t want you owning guns.  Mister Malik was arrested over the weekend at Cleveland Hopkins Airport.   Malik had a concealed handgun in his carry-on bag.  David Malik is the original attorney for the family of 12-year-old Tamir Rice who was slain by police in November.  Attorney Malik spent the night in jail after a .22 caliber handgun and a box of ammunition were discovered in his luggage by airport security.

It is common for anti-gun celebrities to carry firearms.  Dwayne Ferguson was a community activist and a vocal supporter of the New York SAFE act.. until he was arrested for illegally bringing a pistol onto school grounds in Buffalo, New York.

Illinois state senator Donne Trotter was charged with a felony for bringing a loaded handgun through the security checkpoint at O’Hare airport.  Democrat Trotter was running to replace Jesse Jackson Jr. in Congress at the time.  This happened before the courts brought concealed carry to Illinois.  Trotter routinely voted to kill concealed carry bills in the Illinois Senate.

More serious was the example set by California State Senator Leland Yee.  Senator Yee both proposed and supported strict gun control.. for California citizens.  That was before his arrest on political corruption, racketeering and gun trafficking charges.  Yee wanted to sell rocket propelled grenades to criminals.

Retired Chicago Alderman Richard Mell is the father-in-law of disgraced former governor and felon Rod Blagojevich.  Alderman Mell helped craft Chicago’s old ban on handguns.  Alderman Mell also used his political connections to rewrite the registration law and create an “amnesty” period after he’d neglected to do the paperwork needed to keep his firearms.

And the late Frank Melton, former mayor of Jackson, Miss., routinely violated “gun laws” .. the same laws he demanded everyone else to obey.

There is a troubling double standard in the case of Democrat Texas State Sen. Juan “Chuy” Hinojosa.  The senator brought his own gun into an airport security area.. and didn’t even have to stand for arraignment.

Rob- Michael Moore’s bodyguard was charged for carrying a gun in a gun free zone.  Last week, the Bloomberg group Moms demand action for gun safety hired armed bodyguards, and used the armed guards to push around unarmed civilians when they testified at the Texas capital.  There are rules for us, and special rules for gun-control spokesmen and politicians.

Rachel-You remember what firearms instructor Bob Main says.  “I carry a gun because I can’t carry a cop.”  Even if we could have a policeman at our shoulder, we might want to leave them at the police station.  We’ve all seen the social media posts about police using unnecessary force.  Partial data indicates that police are convicted of firearms violations much more often than concealed carry holders.  We don’t have the complete data across the US for concealed carry holders, but the data we have for Florida says that the police were over 20 times more likely to be charged with a firearms violation than civilians.

Rob- Some factors explain the high rate of violations by law enforcement.  Each policeman sees more violent incidents than the average civilian.  Also, a civilian will often bring charges against an officer if the officer misuses a gun.  The concealed carry holder knows who belongs in his living room in the middle of the night.. and the policeman doesn’t.

There are other factors that work against the concealed carry holder.  Each criminal on the street will assault many civilians before the criminal is finally arrested by a policeman.   Also, many  jurisdictions ignore behavior by police where that same behavior by a civilian would result in prosecution.

Rob- we have dean Dean Weingarten here to make sense of this subject. Gun Watch blog, and it has a lot of news.  “For the data that we have, police appear to be three times as likely to commit murder as a concealed carry permit holder.”  Dean interview.

Dean Weingarten, welcome.
How did you get interested in this subject.
I’ve been an instructor for 40 years.  My students are extraordinarily responsible.
How do concealed carry holders compare to law enforcement officers.
Who records when an officer is arrested?
Not the FBI.  The FBI doesn’t even collect the justifiable homicides.
Domestic violence by police is closely tracked.
Who did you compare.
What did you find.
Police are 1.4/100k vs Florida is a third of that number.
police 4-5 times more likely than CCW
CCW 9 times more law abiding than general public.
Gunwatch.com
Ammoland.com
news 2

Rachel- Frequent listeners should remember hearing the young man from New Jersey.  Steffon Josey asked for an appeal, and an appeal was granted.  He and Evan Nappen will be in court soon!   They will have a date will be released in a few days. This poor kid needs some cash to earn his freedom.  Please donate to his go-fund-me account.  Throw in something even if it is only $5.

-The ATF claimed it does not need to publish its new rules in the Federal Register as it re-interprets the meaning of “armor piercing ammunition to outlaw surplus 223 ammo.  The ATF claims the reinterpretation is exempt from the Federal Administrative Procedures Act.  President Obama claimed the same thing when he re-wrote immigration law with his phone and his pen.

-Legislation to require more background checks on gun sales in Vermont has hit a major snag. Anti-rights advocates lobbied lawmakers to require background checks for sales of firearms at gun shows and over the internet. The legislation even made it into committee.  Senator Dick Sears of Bennington is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.  Senator Sears said quote “I don’t believe the background check portion of the bill has the votes to pass out of –committee.” close quote.  Most legislators do their homework and count votes before they propose legislation.

Moms Demand Action has been caught lying…again. Only this time, the untruth occurred in a committee hearing of the Texas Senate. Kelly Burke is the president of the Texas MDA chapter. While testifying against the open carry and campus carry bills last week, Ms. Burke claimed, (quote) “we do not know, about how, quote, responsible CHL holders are, because that data set is not available and is completely locked down. Any statements about how, quote, responsible and law-abiding CHL holders are is completely anecdotal and therefore conjecture.” (close quote) If she’d only searched Google, she could have easily found this data. It’s public record and is made available by the TXDPS.

-Texas open carry activists were rewarded again this week for their diligent efforts. Texas Governor Greg Abbott delivered a “state of the state” address Tuesday morning in which he laid out his top priorities for the state. Open carry made the cut. Abbott stated, (quote) “Let me briefly follow up on a word I mentioned a moment ago — liberty. In a single word, it encapsulates what this country stands for, what Texas symbolizes. I will expand liberty in Texas by signing a law that makes Texas the 45th state to allow open carry.” (close quote)

-Here are two conflicting ideas.  Some studies report high rates of sexual assault.   Women’s advocates say women are at great risk on college campuses.  Contrast that claim with the fact that many college administrators want to deny women the right to carry concealed on campus.  These administrators ignore that concealed carry holders are usually 21 years of age or older.  Concealed carry holders already have a license to carry across the state, but must disarm on campus.  In this age of diversity, the student body is more diverse than ever.  We already have returning veterans and delayed entry students on campus.  College students are not the drunken idiots shown in animal house.  They never were.  Students make adult decisions without parental supervision.  Lawmakers in 10 states are pushing bills that would permit the carrying of firearms on campus.  They hope the national spotlight on sexual assault will help them win passage of their measures.  Quote “If you’ve got a person that’s raped because you wouldn’t let them carry a firearm to defend themselves, I think you’re responsible,” State Representative Dennis K. Baxley of Florida said during debate in a House subcommittee last month. The bill passed out of committee.

Bills that would allow guns on campus have been introduced in Indiana, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas,  Florida and Nevada and Wyoming.

Rob-  I have the gun quote today, and this is one might surprise you.  “Fighting corruption is not just good governance. It’s self-defense. It’s patriotism.”  That was from vice president Joe Biden.  I wonder if he meant the New York SAFE act and San Antonio knife laws when he talked about government corruption.  Hang on everybody we have our interview segment next.

Interviews-

New Jersey Second Amendment Society- Alexander Roubian
You’ve had meetings up and down new Jersey- how were they attended?
Do you have accounts set up for the next gun owner attacked by NJ gun laws?
Christie said he doesn’t want to meet with NJ2AS.
Carry outside the home.
Clarify self-defense as justifiable need.
Stop local jurisdictions from adding additional requirement to apply for
Clarify reasonable deviation so we can go to the bathroom.

Second Amendment Women- Sandi and Shari

Your club.
Women’s education
Training and competition
Kids safety/firearms in the home.
Kids day at the range.
What do you have planned?
How can people reach you?  http://sawshootingclub.com/

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SAF training division- Richard Smith
Why a separate training organization from NRA or US CCA?
What is the focus of the training? Self-defense. (not hunting or sporting uses)
What do you offer the prospective instructor?
Tom Givins director of training
Attend instructor seminars.
Continuing education requirements.
What do you offer the prospective student?
http://www.saftd.org/
https://www.facebook.com/saftdusa
What is your timeline?
First course at the end of march.
Develop new courses for the next year and a half.  Testing curriculum.
Where do people find you?

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- A man’s dog woke him up just at sunrise in Edmond Oklahoma.  Then the 46 year old homeowner heard someone beating on his front door.  The masked intruder smashed his way in carrying a baseball bat.  He hit the homeowner in the hand.  The homeowner ran to his kitchen and grabbed his handgun.  He shot the intruder in the face, neck and arm.  The intruder then ran across the street to his girlfriend’s apartment. She called 911, to get him medical attention.  The burglar is expected to survive.

The intruder was the homeowners former step-son.  The step-son is charged with first-degree burglary and assault with a dangerous weapon.

Rachel- Does a woman home alone stand a chance against four home intruders? She does if she has a gun. An Alabama woman refused entrance to a group of four who knocked on her door and asked to use her phone Monday afternoon. They left, but returned later that night. They forced their way inside. The homeowner pulled out her gun and fired. One invader, Richard Taylor, died of multiple gunshot wounds. The three accomplices survived, but are now being charged with Taylor’s murder. The homeowner is not expected to face charges.

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

Listener e-mail discussion
Rob This note came from Ken in Arizona.  He said
This quote from Mahatma Gandhi struck me as one that’s appropriate for our gun rights.  Quote “First they ignore you. Then, they laugh at you. Then, they fight you. Then, you win.”  Close quote
Ken continues- They are currently fighting us with everything they have. We are only one step away from winning!

Thanks Ken.

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Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank our guests for joining us. We talked with Alexander Rubian from the New Jersey Second amendment society, Richard Smith from the SAF training division, Dean Weingarten from the Gun Watch blog, and Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack of Second Amendment Women. Rob, will you be with us this weekend? I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 311 – National Concealed Carry Reciprocity

Full episode download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.mp3

Individual Segments

Intro and personal news segments. The hosts talk about what has been going on with them since the last show.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.1.mp3

News segment 1: BATFE proposes to ban popular AR 15 ammo, campus carry is introduced in Nevada, and possible forest preserve carry in Illinois.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.2.mp3

News Segment 2: National concealed carry reciprocity is introduced, New Hampshire Senate approves permitless carry, Sen, Rubio introduces bill to permanently de-fund operation choke point, New Jersey resident charged with felony for possession of 300 year old flintlock.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.3.mp3

News Segment 3: Sandy Hook Commission issues it’s report, deadly shootings in Denmark, and our gun quote.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.4.mp3

DGU segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.5.mp3

Listener feedback and show close segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.6.mp3

Intro

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday February 15th 2015. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about a proposed BATFE ruling that would outlaw some popular ammunition

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a campus carry bill advancing in Nevada.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s,  snowy roads helped apprehend a pair of home invaders

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also have 2 voice mails to share with you..

Rachel: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Because episode 311 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Paul- Back at ABN for the first time in quite a while. No longer doing the Baltimore run. Bought my wife a really cool Valentines day gift.

 

John – My new Kydex holster has arrived for my Ruger LC9s and it fits the pistol very well. I’ve worn it around the house and you forget that you are carrying. Other than that, no new gun news. We are still on grandbaby watch and it could be this week as the official due date is the 19th.

 

Gary – My Glock 30 is now my official back up gun, it fed 3 boxes of Ranger T without a jam. I’m still using my Colt 1911 because my FFL who is also a leathersmith is supposed to be making a double, double stack mag pouch for the Para, which is also feeding the Ranger T without a hitch. I had a couple of conversations with former students about disparity of force and AOJ, please take a moment and review these with your instructors. We actually have it easier to appear at house of rep committee meetings here in Illinois than in Texas. Rachel had to drive to the meeting, I filed my appearance and opinion from my home office.

 

Rachel- Thursday’s Senate hearing on gun bills was my big activity this week – I did a special segment with Paul on that that’s being included in Episode 310. Friday and Saturday was follow-up with my activists and some recovery downtime with a friend. And trying to catch up after several near all-nighters this past week.

 

Rob- Shot IDPA yesterday.  I learned a lot by slowing down a little.

I’ll miss testimony for a local gun range before the city council because of the Wednesday podcast.

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

Break

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Seg 2- News

 

-BATFE released a proposed ruling this week that would reclassify one of the most common AR-15 5.56 rounds as “armor piercing”. Specifically, they said the exemption from the pistol armor piercing list of the SS109/M855 bullet would be rescinded. This is the bullet that is commonly found in surplus 5.56 or .223 ammo. BATFE says the steel and lead core combo makes it armor piercing. They also say this bullet has no “sporting purpose”. People have until March 16th to submit comments on this proposal.

 

John – Comment – I see this as a parting gift to Attorney General Eric Holder who said his one failure was the failure to pass gun control.

Rob- I remember a poster by Oleg Volk.  There is no “right size” when it comes to gun grabbers and firearms.  Guns are always too large or too small, too accurate or too inaccurate, too cheap or too expensive, too loud or too quiet.   There is no right size when it comes to firearms, and the 223 is no exception.

Where is the outrage that my police are carrying ammunition that is so lethal it will penetrate body armor?

 

-A campus carry bill was introduced into the Nevada House by Rep. Michelle Fiore (R-Las Vegas). The bill would allow those with carry permits to legally carry in buildings on Nevada public higher education campuses, to carry in the unsecured areas of airports, and to carry in public buildings with some exceptions. Rep. Fiore calls this bill “Amanda’s Law” after Amanda Collins. With Republicans in charge of both houses of the Nevada legislature, Fiore is confident that this third attempt to pass a campus carry bill will be successful.

 

Comment – Rob and I saw Amanda Collins discuss her rape in the film “Safe Havens”. It was very powerful stuff.

Rob Comment- The presidents of the Florida state universities opposed concealed carry on campus in Florida.  To our Florida listeners, you trusted these university officials to educate your children.

Rachel comment- the Austin police chief doesn’t think campus carry is the best option. He prefers to offer victim counseling after rapes rahter than give victims a fighting chance.

 

-When Illinois passed its concealed carry law two years ago, one of the places that was made off-limits for legal carry were the Cook County forest preserves. Now two Downtstate legislators have introduced a bill to allow legal carry in forest preserves. Rep. Kyle McCarter of Lebanon said, “Allowing those who the state has trained to carry a gun will only provide safety.” The Chicago Sun-Times in an editorial takes issue with that and tries to bolster their argument with a spurious report from the Violence Policy Center that “counted” 722 deaths nationwide since 2007 by concealed carry holders.

 

Rob comment- do I have to pay taxes for a park or place where my rights are denied.

 

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rolling rolling rolling.. keep that podcast rolling.  Rawhide.

 

 

-Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) and Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) have introduced bills Thursday in their respective houses of Congress entitled, “The Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015.” This bill would treat state-issued concealed-carry permits like drivers’ licenses, allowing law-abiding citizens with concealed carry privileges to concealed-carry in any other states that also permit it by law. The bill has bipartisan sponsorship and has the strong support of the NRA. Stutzman said, ““Americans enjoy a natural right to self-defense preserved by the Second Amendment. This federally guaranteed liberty should not be forfeited when state lines are crossed.”

 

Rob- I couldn’t find the house version of the bill yet.  See PopVox.com  https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/114/hr923

https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/114/s498

John – HR 923.

 

-The New Hampshire State Senate voted 14-9 to approve constitutional carry of concealed firearms in the state. The bill was sponsored by Sen. Majority Leader Jeb Bradley. As Sen. Sharon Carson said, “This bill recognizes that the simple act of putting on a coat should not require a permit.” New Hampshire already recognizes unlicensed open carry. Senate Democrats argued that the bill will increase the number of deadly arguments. The bill now goes to the New Hampshire House for their approval.

 

Comment – I guess the New Hampshire Senate Democrats have never heard of an armed society being a polite society.

 

Rachel comment- So New Hampshire’s Senate thinks this is fine, but Texas’ Lt. Gov. Patrick doesn’t think it should even get a hearing. What’s wrong with this picture?

 

-We’ve reported on Operation Choke Point in past episodes. On Thursday, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) introduced a bill that would “defund, in perpetuity, “Operation Choke Point or any other program designed to discourage the provision or continuation of credit or the processing of payments by financial institutions for dealers and manufacturers of firearms and ammunition.“ The bill is called “Firearms Manufacturers and Dealers Protection Act of 2015.  Sen. Rubio’s bill would complement legislation introduced earlier in the month by Rep. Blaine Luetkmeyer of Missouri.

 

-We have reported many times on how New Jersey law has ensnared innocent victims. We have interviewed both Brian Aitken and Steffon Josey-Davis on this show. The latest victim is retired school teacher Van Gilder. Mr. Gilder was arrested for the mere possession of an unloaded 300-year-old “Queen Anne” single-shot flintlock. He has been charged with a Second Degree Felony of Criminal Possession of a Handgun which can carry a 10-year sentence. Mr. Gilder has been an antiques collector for years. Under Federal law, this single-shot flintlock pistol can be bought and sold by anyone. No license is required, it can be shipped through the mails, etc. A legal defense fund has been set up for Mr. Gilder and we would encourage you to be generous.

 

Rob- Can he register this firearm?

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-In Connecticut, the 16-member Sandy Hook Advisory Commission issued its report with a number of recommendations.  Their want to prohibit the sale and possession of any firearm capable of holding 10 rounds or more.  There was no provision to grandfather in existing firearms.  They recommended that any shell casing for ammunition sold in Connecticut have a unique serial number etched on it, and that each casing should be registered and traced.  Also, all firearms would be registered and ammunition buyers would be restricted to only the caliber chambered for their licensed guns. Those who have firearms licenses, stresses the report, should at every renewal pass a test of firearms handling capacity as well as an understanding of state and local laws.

 

Rob- That sounds like a semi-auto ban.. and a bolt action ban, since most could accept a mag over 19 rounds.  That means they would need a department in Connecticut like their DMV where a firearms owner would be tested every year.

 

-In Denmark, only licensed gun owners may possess firearm or ammunition. License applicants must establish what the authorities consider a “genuine” reason to possess a firearm. Those laws didn’t prevent deadly shootings in Denmark Saturday. A man killed a victim and injured three police officers at a free speech debate in a cafe. The gunman then proceeded to the city’s main synagogue, where he killed a Jewish man and wounded two police officers. Police tracked down the gunman and shot him Sunday morning. Investigators believe the attacks may have been inspired by the Paris shootings.

 

Gun Quotes- I strongly believe that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to possess and use guns for purposes of both hunting and self-defense. That quote was by democrat legal scholar -Cass Sunstein.

Gary- I have a problem with this quote.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

-A Kalamazoo County, Michigan man awoke around 11pm Saturday night to loud knocking on his door. As he went to check it out, one of the two men outside broke a window on the side of his house.  The homeowner shot the man as the home invader entered the house and his accomplice took off. Police arrested the accomplice nearby and took the wounded home invader to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

 

-A San Antonio, Texas homeowner was uninjured this morning after exchanging gunfire with a home invader. The home invader, however, was shot in the stomach and was taken to San Antonio Military Medical Center. The Bexar County Sheriff’s Department said the home invasion suspect will be charged with burglary when he recovers. They said they don’t expect any charges to be filed against the homeowner.

 

-Normally, one does not think of heavy snow as being of an assist to law enforcement. However, a combination of an armed homeowner and deep snow allowed Springfield, Massachusetts police quickly to arrest brothers Jordan and Jovan Eady. They had broken into a house and threatened “to light the house up” last Saturday night. The homeowner was armed with a legally registered firearm and he shot Jordan in the arm. The Eady brothers were captured by Springfield Police after they ran from the home. The reason they were running and not driving is that their 2014 Chrysler 200 had gotten stuck in a snowbank. Police investigators said the homeowner had acted in self-defense of himself and his family and no charges would be brought against him. A followup story said both the brothers Eady were charged with burglary and malicious damage and released on bail. Their attorney said it was all a mistake and they had been drinking.

 

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Segment 5 Show close

 

Listener Voice Mail from Greg in Bremmerton

Listener voice mail from Greg in Cincinatti.

 

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John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

We talk a lot about gun rights and politics on this show. Rarely do we address the history of older firearms. Some of these guns are absolute works of art. The late gun writer and firearms innovator Elmer Keith had an incredible collection of firearms. I did a story on Wednesday about the auction of his collection. Elmer passed away in 2003 and his family is now auctioning the collection. The post has many pictures of these guns.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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