Episode 428 – Dr. John Edeen

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Dr John Edeen

4- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, November 6th, 2017. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with John Edeen about doctors who practice outside their area of specialization..for example, a doctor who gives you advice about your firearms.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll go in depth about the Texas church shooting

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg and we will talk about making the police work harder by defending our lives

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our emails we have a listener who wants to tell us that Hi Point firearms are fine for personal defense

Belle: strap in

John: and hang on!

Paul:  episode 428 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories.  That was on his Lock and Load Radio program. David Cole and I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

I carried every day and got in some dry practice.

 

John – I spent the weekend in Matthews, NC attending the MAG-20 Classroom – Armed Citizen’s Rules of Engagement. I am in information overload and I have extreme writer’s cramp! I knew it was going to be good as I had heard Mas speak before. It was beyond good. Gail Pepin, Mas, and I had a joint PSP-ProArms Podcast interview with Brian “Gunny” Zins. He is a 12 time National NRA Champion in Pistol. He’s the guy who can hit a 3” circle at 50 yards 20 times out of 20 — one handed with a 1911.

Gary

 

Tracy – Not a whole lot has gone on in my world this past week. I’ve just been dry firing the triple speed qualification that I will be shooting next month at the MAG-120 in Live Oak, Florida. I should be getting my beloved Trojan back this week from the gunsmith, who put an ambi thumb safety on it for me, so I can shoot the Mirror Image qualification with it next month at the MAG-120. It takes a lot of time, money, and gear to take these advanced level classes! Oh, and it was 91 today in Austin, Paul. I’ve shorts on and got the AC and ceiling fan a goin’.

 

Belle-Just finished Basic and Advanced HG Ret., my fave class at FAS. Im working to become the first female instructor to be certified to teach that program and i’m edging closer to that goal each class. Spending my “free” time taking my little girl to her first season of wrestling practice and my oldest to Drivers Ed, so i’m a frazzled mom in that so-called free time. All in all, life is good (as Kathy would say).

(Belle, did you notice that I put your photo on the podcast page?)

 

Belle- Susan! Wait for me! I will get a couple in to you this weekend. (My first off in more than a month)

 

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2- News

 

Sit down shut up and be a good little sheep

Before we get to the 800 pound gorilla in the room we had a few people send us a link to a story from MSN with the headline “Are more guns helpful? In Wal-Mart shooting, armed shoppers hinder police investigation”

 

The gist of the article is that several people who were in a Wal Mart in the Denver area drew their concealed handguns when a random killer came in and began firing. This caused the police extra work because they had to go find those people and remove them as suspects. MSN it seems would rather that we all just sit like pleasant little sheep and wait for the active killer to come find us.

 

Rob- Solve your first problem first. Once you and your family are safe, then you can worry about inconveniencing the police. We pay them to sort out those kind of problems.

John – Mas mentioned this in the MAG-20.

Paul

 

Texas church shooting

A murderer entered a Texas church and killed 26 people. Dozens more are injured. The murderer had frequently sent threatening text messages to his mother in law . She attended the church, and she was killed during the attack. The murderer had a long history of domestic problems. He beat his wife and child while he was in the Air Force. He received a courts martial and spent a year in the stockade. He then received a bad conduct discharge. Had he received a dishonorable discharge, he would have been a prohibited person. He should have been prohibited from buying firearms because of his domestic violence conviction. We don’t know if that criminal record was entered into the NICS system.

 

During this attack, the murderer was shot by a neighbor who lived next door to the church. The neighbor or his daughter heard the gunfire and grabbed his rifle. He shot the murderer. The murderer was wearing body armor, but the return fire was enough to make the murderer break off the attack. The murderer got in his car and drove away. The neighbor and a passerby followed the attacker. After the murderer crashed his car, the murderer took his own life.

 

The talking heads reacted in very predictable ways after this attack.. The murderer used an AR style firearm, so the anti-gun groups said we need to ban assault rifles. They also called for more background checks and blamed the NRA.

 

Since the mainstream media won’t do it, we will point out the incontrovertible facts.

The murderer bought his guns by going through a background check.

The murderer was refused when he tried to get his Texas concealed handgun license.

Two ordinary citizens, one of them armed, stopped the attack long before the police arrived.

It is unclear if the church was properly posted, but it likely was not posted with the state required gun prohibition signs. That means that the congregation could have been armed, but they chose not to be.

 

I DON’T BELIEVE THE MIL WAS AT CHURCH YESTERDAY AND IS STILL ALIVE. -TRACY

 

Tracy – Contrary to common belief, you can carry in a church (or other house of worship) in Texas unless you are given verbal or written notification to the contrary. Let me take this moment to remind our listeners that YOUR SAFETY is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY. Law enforcement only shows up after things have started to get bad and someone has called them.

 

Rob- After the attack, Ken Paxton, the Texas Attorney General, said this, “I would rather arm law-abiding citizens… as opposed to trying to pass laws that would prevent law-abiding citizens from having guns.”  Paul, if we didn’t already have one, this should be the gun quote of the week.

Belle-

Gary –

Paul – I want to go back to what Tracy was saying – it took about 5 minutes for the police to show up AFTER the killer wrecked the car

John – The guy passed a background check. It brings into question whether the military justice sys reports stuff to the NICS system — or can. Is this a failure of the AF or a failure of the FBI? The military justice system is different and I don’t know if they are required to report domestic violence convictions. They don’t have either felonies or misdemeanors within their system.

Tracy – John, I got a news update that stated the Air Force failed to flag him to the FBI or NICS.

 

Rob- Church security works very hard to remain anonymous.

 

Gun Quote

“Here is a fundamental difference between the Right and the Left: what we put our faith in. When these horrors happen, those on the right tend to first invoke Jehovah God for mercy on the victims and wisdom, strength, and guidance on how we can make the world a better place and protect the innocent.

“Those on the Left tend to instantly invoke their all-powerful god, Government. They believe that personally, they are fundamentally helpless, but that if government makes just one more law and takes just a little more freedom away, then they can “feel safer”.”

 

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Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest, Dr. John Edeen.

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3- Interview 1

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Rob- Since my muffler doesn’t do what Dr Herrington said they do, can I tell the government that I really don’t own a firearms muffler..so I don’t need a tax stamp and federal approval.

 

When we close-

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5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

The Biggest and Fastest Gun

81-year-old Buddy Cates has been robbed a half dozen times in the last 10 months. This has been confirmed by the local sheriff’s office. When a thug attempted to rob him this week, he was prepared.

The robbery attempt happened about 1:30 PM outside the Cates home. Mr. Cates stated that he walked outside the door and the robber was standing there with a “big pistol.” He had his hand in his pocket on his pistol, “and the battle was on,” he recalled.

Cates estimated that there were six to eight shots fired which authorities confirmed.

The armed thug was on the receiving end of one of Mr. Cates shots and none of his found their target. The wounded criminal was taken to a Texarkana hospital where he later died.

“Whoever got the biggest gun and fastest will be boss when it is all said and done. ….In this case, it was me.”

No charges have been filed.

Paul –
John – It is what Mas called survival euphoria.


Criminal behaving Badly

An attempted breaking and entering ended badly for the criminal last week.

About 5 AM, the doorbell rang at the suburban Austin Texas home. When the homeowner answered the door, the criminal apologized for being at the wrong house and left.

A few minutes later the man was back and kicked in the door and entered the home. Unknown to him, the homeowner was armed and ready and opened fire.

Neighbors said they heard about half a dozen shots. A neighbor, whose bedroom window is just yards away, said, “I heard someone screaming and then 5 or 6 shots so I freaked out. I had no idea what was going on,” said Savannah Askin.

She initially heard very loud music and screaming right before the shots. She believed the music was coming from the suspect’s car which was found at the scene. She questioned why someone who may be attempting to burglarize a home would draw attention with loud music.

The car and a bag, found on the front porch, were collected and searched for evidence.

The homeowner and his wife were not hurt and were cooperating with the investigation. The criminal was not so lucky, he was in critical condition but expected to survive.

Rob- Want to bet on the results of the toxicology tests?
Tracy – Why are you answering your door at 0500?

 

Craigslist transaction gone bad

Matthew Barry wanted an iPhone. Andre Smith claimed he had one for sale and arranged to meet Barry at a south Florida CVS store.

After the money was exchanged, there was an argument as Barry claimed that Smith and a friend were trying to take off with both the phone and the cash. As Barry attempted to exit his vehicle, he was blocked by Smith and his accomplice.

Barry ran into the CVS, frantically yelling to employees to call 911. Surveillance video showed Smith and friend follow him into the store.

According to police, Barry warned Smith that he was has a concealed weapons permit and was carrying, but Smith and friend replied that they too were armed.

“Surveillance video also shows Smith pursuing Barry around different displays at the front of the store,” Davie, Florida Police said. “Mr. Barry is able to separate himself and push Smith away from him, physically push him away, and he’s able to retrieve a gun that he has on him and he fires several rounds striking Smith.”

Smith died at a nearby hospital. Records show that he had a criminal history including charges for domestic violence and various misdemeanors.

No charges have been filed as of this time.
Paul-


Lions and Pigs and Bears, Oh My

We have had stories in Defensive Gun Uses about wild boars and mountain lions near the house. Recently it was a grizzly bear which a man had to shoot on his front porch.

The incident happened in Montana near Yellowstone National Park. The sow grizzly was likely more than 15 years old. It broke through a metal door to get into a garage where an elk carcass was hanging.

The homeowner heard the ruckus. He grabbed a gun and when onto the front porch to see what was going on.

There stood a bear not 10 paces from him.

The man told Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks investigators that the bear turned and began to approached him. He shot the bear dead.

They found bloody paw prints around the property including within 10 feet of the front door and on the living room window.

The investigators said that the garage was properly secured and the homeowner had done everything correctly.

This sow had been trapped by researchers in the past but did not have history of run-ins with people. It is also important to remember that bears are still wandering around and trying to fatten up before hibernating for the winter.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

Email #1

 

Hey my earlier e-mail must have been lost.

After grpc wondering if the average person is going to be welcome and find the event interesting or if it will be all over my head. I listen to you and other 2a podcasts and practice pogo. I know it has been there before but Chicago???? Really????? Will we have hr38 passed before then?? What’s it going to cost me Gary if it has not passed to get an out of state permit and how far in advance will I need to take the class?

Always enjoy the show,

Barton

Barron, WI

 

Email #2

 

I have had 2 high points 9c, still have one. It’s a good starter gun for people that can’t afford glocks, 1911’s, and all these other high dollar guns every podcast talks about. My whole family learned to shoot on a high point. Only problems we ever had was with cheap ammo. Winchester white box from walmart shoots fine and it’s cheap. To heavy for everyday carry but i have done it. My wife and I do carry every day but we carry a ruger LC9’s now with spare mags.
Love your show
Jay from Nebraska.

 

Tracy – Jay: Kudos to you and your family for taking responsibility for your own safety and carrying a gun. I’m glad you have upgraded from a HiPoint to a Ruger. If budget is an issue when considering a firearm, I would urge you to please consider a QUALITY USED FIREARM with a reliable track record, such as a police trade-in Glock or a Smith and Wesson. Why? Because your life may just depend on it. While you listen to me wax poetic on the accuracy of my 1911s on a weekly basis, my everyday carry gun is a Glock. Why? Because of its proven reliability. Police trade-ins can be found at such stores as GT Distributors.

 

John – You can find some great bargains on Reddit on the /gundeals subreddit. I agree with Tracy regarding buying used as well.

 

Paul – I know a few people who have owned Hi-Point and the reliability just isn’t there

Gary-

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I’m sure you’ve noticed that politicians and news announcers lie to us. They will say anything in order to keep our attention. Being ignored ends their careers. The truth is inconsequential, as long as they seem sympathetic and relevant. If the sun comes out, they need another government program to stop sunburn. They need a government program to stop wrinkled skin if it rains. They need more gun control, like more background checks, if a murderer kills people with a gun. They never said their policies would actually work and make us safer. They only need to sound good. It works for them asl long as the politician and the news announcers look good and sound good.  The article is called, You are not Safe, and you Never Were.

 

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

I have a number of short posts up but nothing worth going in depth about. I will have an after action report post up about MAG-20 in the coming week or so. That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Dr. John Edeen for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 427 – Tiffany Johnson

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- Interview Segment 1: Tiffany Johnson Interview Part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Tiffany Johnson Interview Part 2

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, October 30th, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk with Tiffany Johnson about minorities in the gun community.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a woman in South Carolina who refused to be quiet…to the home invader’s dismay.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and tonight we have no gun news.

Belle:  I’m Belle McCormack, and one of our DGU’s starts with a carjacking at a gas station.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about a cigarette thief that brought a knife to a gunfight… so climb aboard

Belle: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 427 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories.  That was on his Lock and Load Radio program. Amanda Suffecool and I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Dustin Salomon and I were guests on the Safety Solutions Academy podcast with Paul Carlson. That was interesting as we tried to figure out what instruction works for both students and teachers. I’ve been in contact with one of our listeners who wanted to talk about training.
I also went for a run. Not very far, but I wanted to make my heart beat and make me sweat. It is a first step.

 

John- I missed last show because I was a flower girl wrangler. For age 2 ½, Olivia did just fine in her aunt’s wedding. Now to gun stuff. I have booked our hotel and flight for the SHOT Show. I’m still waiting for the media registration to open. This coming weekend I will be taking MAG-20 with Massad Ayoob in Charlotte, NC. I’ll have a full report for the next show.

 

Tracy-  I spent part of my Saturday taking a private lesson from USPSA grand master, Karl Rehn, working on some speed skills for my upcoming MAG-120 class. Always looking for a way to solve shooters’ problems, in my case little hands with really short thumbs, Karl decided a right-sided magazine catch could prove very helpful in speeding up my reloads. I have an order in with Mitch at Bulletworks.com for an aftermarket right-sided mag catch for my STI Trojan. Stay tuned for updates. Other than that, I’ve just taught some lessons and been a good citizen.

 

Belle- Took a Level 2: Def HG at FAS, just for the trigger time and to learn how to teach it better from a couple of my favorite instructors. Getting ready to close out the 2017 training season and start prepping for 2018.

 

Gary

 

Paul/Susan Trip to Washington, quitting smoking.

 

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2- News

 

House Bill violates the Second Amendment

On Friday, November 3rd, Massachusetts Lieutenant Governor Karyn Polito signed House Bill 4008 into law. He was acting on behalf of Governor Charlie Baker. A provision in H.4008 prohibits the possession of “bump stocks” and “trigger cranks.” Violations of this provision by merely possessing these accessories carry excessive punishments.  In addition to the possibility of life imprisonment, the minimum mandatory sentence is 18 months imprisonment. Second Amendment advocates are scrambling to fight this bill.

Walmart Shooting

Several shoppers screamed and ran for cover inside the Walmart in Thornton when a gunman opened fire in random directions. The suspect, 47-year-old Scott Ostrem, killed three people. Some shoppers pulled out their own handguns during the shootings in self-defense. The authorities complained about the five hour delay in identifying the number and identity of the assailants. The officers didn’t feel physically threatened. The investigators reviewed the surveillance footage by following each individual with a firearm until they could eliminate them as a suspect. Thornton police spokesman Victor Avila would not elaborate on whether any individuals were detained or tested for gunshot residue. He did not say if anyone other than the suspect had fired shots during the incident. Darlene Jackson, a truck driver, said she was in the toy section of the store when she heard the gunshots. Although she owns weapons, she didn’t have hers on hand at the time. She and her husband will be attending a shooting range to practice. She had been horrified that other shoppers drew their guns, but did not confront the killer.

Almost Tarred and Feathered

According to neighbors, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul was mowing his lawn outside his Bowling Green, Ky., home when he was intentionally attacked by an irate neighbor. Rene Boucher, age 59 is a registered Democrat according to the Daily Caller. A different neighbor told local news station WNKY-TV that Boucher and Paul nursed their ongoing feud over the corner of property they share. Boucher was charged with one count of fourth degree assault for the minor injury. He was taken to the nearby Warren County Detention Center, where he was being held on $5,000 bail for the Class A misdemeanor. A Facebook account said to be maintained by Boucher contained multiple anti-Trump postings.

“Senator Paul was blindsided and the victim of an assault,” Kelsey Cooper, a spokeswoman for Paul, said in a statement to the Hill. “The assailant was arrested, and it is now a matter for the police. Senator Paul is fine.”

 

Dog Eat Dog World

Chicago Police say 19-year-old Terrion Pouncy robbed a South Side hot dog stand at gunpoint about 6 a.m. on Halloween. Pouncy pulled out his gun, demanded cash from two employees, and pressed the gun to the head of a 39-year-old worker. The victim called for his co-worker to hand over the cash from the register. They passed their wallets and a stack of singles to Pouncy, but the bucket tipped and bills went flying. The robber stooped over to collect the cash even though he continued to point the gun at the workers. He replaced the gun to his waistband and shifted the gun as he ran out. He apparently pulled the trigger which fired a bullet striking him in the penis. He was unable to run further because of the pain. Pouncy was arrested at the Oak Lawn hospital not long after he was found slumped on the steps of a home across the street from a West Pullman restaurant. Surveillance cameras captured video and audio of the robbery, his struggle across the the street, his stop on a bench, and his collapse at the nearby house. Police recovered the wallets Pouncy had allegedly stolen from the two men, as well as the .38 caliber pistol. Pouncy’s blood-stained boxers match the underwear he had on in the surveillance video. The video clearly shows the pattern on the fabric when the teen bent over to collect the money that had fallen to the floor.

 

Ex-Employee Seeks Last PayCheck

Police said an armed man between 35 and 40 years old, entered Lawry’s The Prime Rib in the 100 block of East Ontario and restrained several employees who were in a locker room at the steakhouse. The former employee knew his way around the building, took the employees’ cell phones and announced the armed robbery. A 28-year-old man interrupted the robbery, prompting the gunman to fire his weapon, according to authorities. The victim was shot in his right arm and transported to Northwestern Memorial Hospital in stable condition. The suspect fled on foot but was found by police a short time later. Authorities said the man was taken into custody and a weapon was recovered. An investigation remained ongoing Monday morning.

 

Media Taunts America

A man entered a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. He killed and injured a lot of people that he probably knew. The killer’s rampage was only halted when an armed citizen “engaged” him. The killer was bad-conduct discharged from the military as opposed to being dishonorably discharged. Due to his domestic assault, he was still banned from buying guns. He was willing to break the law to procure guns. He additionally broke the law by committing mass murder. After the reports surfaced of the mass shooting, TV reporters comforted themselves with their usual demand about new legislation on guns.  CNN’s Jim Acosta used every TV appearance on Sunday to mention that after the Las Vegas massacre, Trump suggested talk of new gun control should wait until the dust settles. That conversation, Acosta repeatedly complained, has “never occurred.”

NBC News’s Chris Jansing, who is currently traveling with the president in Japan, used the opportunity to tout the country’s “restrictive” gun control laws.

Even though MSNBC’s terror analyst, Malcolm Nance, is a gun owner, he said, “The Second Amendment in this case has nullified the right to live for many people in this church and I think a national discussion has to happen. It’s not too — we constantly run away from it but we’ll keep doing this until we have that discussion.”

MSNBC contributor Jim Cavanaugh likewise used his appearances in the moments after the massacre to hype gun control. Cavanaugh said. “…And we can’t get even the Congress to give us one sentence that we can’t have bump stocks.” In another appearance, Cavanaugh says that America has no choice and that passing new gun control measures “has to be done.”

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Tiffany Johnson.

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Tiffany Johnson- Do black and white gun culture want to mix?

 

We already have a number of separate gun cultures. For example, waterfowl hunting, game hunting, target shooting, the gun sports, collecting, re-enacting. What does it mean to have some blacks and whites who want separate gun cultures based on race?

 

Tracy- We need to be united, not divided, in our “crusade” for gun rights. What can I, as a middle-aged, white woman, do to reach out to my black brothers and sisters of the gun culture?

Rob- Are there different needs you see between the two cultures?

Tiffany- We all need the basics. “Blind spots” between the two cultures.

White gun culture is politically conservative. Leave that baggage behind.

Black gun culture wants to hear about the racist roots of gun control.

 

Belle- It is human nature to categorize things in order to understand them. Pointing out that so often things are, as you said “blind spots” or lack of exposure is such an important point. I think changing the ‘lingo’ from racism to naivety is an awesome distinction. Thank you. Voicing what is important to the smaller groups we want to include is so important. If we are “blind” to it, and no one says it, how can we fix it? How do you suggest we as instructors encourage any given  minority group to join in the activity, whether it be training, competing, what have you?

 

Tiffany – go to your intended audience, actively look for locations where black people live, local YMCA, black church, people at your job – pure self-defense, which is a human right

Rob-

 

Are the minority gun cultures separate but equal, separate but welcome, or are they inseparable?

 

Do we want diversity to include exclusivity, or can members move freely between the two cultures?

 

Who will bridge the gap for those who feel alienated in one culture but want to move between both cultures?

 

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5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Standing in Jail

Tracy – Samuel Jeter thought the Spartanburg, South Carolina, mother and daughter were going to be easy victims.  Recently, he broke into their home and hid in the bathroom.

Shortly after midnight, Katrina Walker’s 24-year-old daughter spotted Jeter standing in the bathroom holding a finger to his lips indicating for her to be quiet.  Her daughter instead started to scream, and when Walker came running to see what was the matter, Jeter tackled her.

Jeter demanded money from the women.  Walker’s daughter instead grabbed her gun and cocked it.  Jeter decided this was his clue to get out of Dodge. As Jeter ran, the 24 year-old began to shoot.

Police responded to the 12:35 AM call to find Walker and her daughter sitting on the front porch.  Walker was crying and her daughter was holding her 9millimeter firearm.

The officers used a K-9 officer to track Jeter to the backyard where they found him lying unresponsive..  He had been struck 4 times in the buttocks.

The story said he was sitting in jail but we wonder “Is he sitting or standing?”

Paul – All is well that ends well but…

 

Rob- This was a potentially lethal shot. There are not safe places to shoot someone who is not a lethal threat to you.

 

Cornered Clerk – Belle

The 30 year old cigarette thief found out you don’t bring a knife to a gunfight.  He walked into a Williamsburg Virginia 7-11 armed with a knife and swiped a couple packs of cigarettes then backed the clerk into a corner.  He demanded the clerk open the register.

The 56 year old clerk then drew his own gun and the suspect fled on foot.  The clerk was a concealed carry permit holder.

A man that matched the description of the suspect was located in the area and taken into custody.  A knife was also found nearby as well.

Clinton Frazer has been charged with petit larceny and felony armed robbery.

 

Belle- Its always a preferred outcome when the mere display of the firearm is enough to stop the threat.

 

Rob- It seems strange that the clerk drew a gun and did not shoot.

John – Good Samaritan stops carjacking

Joanna Avalos is happy she had a good Samaritan near by the other day.  About 7 AM, an armed man walked up to her in the gas station parking lot and demanded her vehicle with two young kids inside.

As Avalos recalled, “He pulled out the gun and said, ‘Get out of your car! I’m taking your car!’”

The carjacker fumbled with the keys.  He could not get the car started.  After his frustration grew, he ran after her, grabbed her and threw her to the ground.  It turned out she had two sets of keys for the Tahoe.

The security footage is grainy but it shows the two children and their mother running into a convenience store after being chased by the man with a gun.  The kids were already inside when a clerk grabs their mother and pulls her into the store.

Avalos says another clerk ran after the carjacker with a gun and shot him after the robber fired at him.  Police said the suspect, Courtney Johnson, led police on a short chase in the stolen SUV before crashing it into a couple parked cars.  He had gunshot wounds to his arm and abdomen.

Johnson has been arrested and the investigation is ongoing.  As for the Tahoe, Avalos is not sure she wants it back.  With all the trauma around the incident, she doesn’t think it is a good time to keep the car.

Paul – we are NOT the Police

Rob- This woman is lucky he didn’t take the car AND the kids.

Bring your own gun to a gunfight.

 

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Rob- Gun Quotes- To paraphrase  We cannot sit idly by in Texas and not be concerned about what happens in New Jersey. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality.. tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one of us directly, affects all of us indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial “outside agitator” idea.  Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds.  Original quote from Martin Luther King, letters from a Birmingham Jail

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Hi, guys:

 

I found one of Paul’s comments regarding deporting illegal immigrants to be a bit of puzzle.

 

He said that illegal aliens who get arrested for felonies should be immediately deported.  In effect, arrest = guilt.

 

Putting the immigration question aside for the purposes of discussion, I find such a comment to be a bit hard to comprehend when it comes from someone who understands full well (I hope!) that police can….and do…arrest perfectly innocent people without legitimate cause.

 

Keep up the good work.  I listen to every episode now.

 

Norman

 

Rob- Paul, one of our listeners has been exchanging e-mail with me about training methods.  Thank you, Alen.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- Gun laws are a fraud. They are confidence scheme. The politicians who advocate for gun control say that these laws will keep us safe. When these laws fail, as they always do, then the confidence men claim that they need more from us. They need more money, more votes, and more laws. I looked at the recent attacks in Las Vegas and in Maryland. The article is called Gun Laws Failed, and People Died. My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

John- Among the many posts I made, I’d like to point out two. First, you may have heard that 17 state attorneys general have put out a letter opposing national reciprocity. While I can’t speak for all of them, Mark Herring of VA and Josh Stein of NC are hypocrites. Both of their states have universal recognition of any other state’s permit. Herring got over $1 million from Mike Bloomberg in his first election and has gotten substantial money from him this year. The other post is about the San Francisco 49ers who are donating $500,000 for anti-gun TV commercials. They are encouraging other NFL teams to join them. Combine this with the whole kneeling controversy and the NFL is on the highway to hell. As a contrast look at the World Series. Every player stands with his hat over his heart for the National Anthem.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Paul – I have come to a bit of a decision with the direction of the show and of my personal like for the next several months. As most of you know I had an incident in Nebraska a little over 18 months ago. There was fundraising done that covered part of the costs and I am eternally grateful for that.

 

However I still have 3 outstanding personal loans that need to be repaid as well as my personal money situation is not in the greatest shape.

 

I am a Dave Ramsey fan of sorts, and one of the sayings that he uses a lot is “There is a great place to go when you are broke and that is to work.” So starting tomorrow that is what I am going to do. We have been recording the show on a when I am home basis and that just isn’t fair to you listeners. We don’t have a regular release schedule for the show and it is hard to book guests on the basis of  “we could do this next Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday can you be available to us all three evenings?

 

So this is what is going to happen going forward. I have a GREAT team of people that work with me on the show, I am going to let them do what they do best. We will record on Monday evenings and if I can be here I will. I won’t be here for most of them. I am planning on heading out tomorrow and the next time that I spend more than 1 day at home I will have paid everyone back and have built up a cushion.

 

I am not quitting and the show is not going away. I am just not going to be on the air a whole lot until I have made my world square again.

 

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Rob-

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 426 – Sarah Cade

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Sarah Cade Interview Part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Sarah Cade Interview Part 2

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday, the 21st of October, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we hear from Sarah Cade about being a proud political liberal and a gun owner.

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, and we have to wonder why Yahoo Finance confuses insurance with murder.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs a concealed carrier was walking down the street in Detroit when he was attacked by an armed robber. That turned out just the way you’d expect.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

Susan: and hang on!

Paul:  episode 426 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I talked with a local State Police officer. I was a casual conversation. I told him we were carrying. Bill Frady and I talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories on his Lock and Load Radio program. I record another episode tomorrow with Tony Simon. Carried every day, but only wrote one letter to each of my Senators.

Gary

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

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2- News

 

Media Anti Gun Bias Shows in a Yahoo Finance article.

On October 19th Yahoo Finance came out with an article whose headline dropped more than a few jaws. The article was titled “’Murder insurance’ or protection in self-defense cases?”

 

The gist of the article is that since the NRA is bad and they now offer insurance, that the insurance must be bad too. It explains, badly, that carry guard was launched in the spring and now  people can buy murder insurance. They quote a representative of Guns Down, a recently formed gun control group as saying  “The reason I call it murder insurance is because if you look at the way this is marketed, it’s really sold in the context of ‘There’s a threat around every corner, dear mostly-white NRA member,’ and that threat is either a black man or a brown man or some other kind of person of color, So when you inevitably have to use your gun to defend yourself from this threat around every corner, you have insurance to protect you.”

 

Throughout the article there were no quotes from anyone with the NRA, or USCCA, who was the only other entity mentioned in the article that offers any type of protection for gun owners.

 

Unfortunately this poorly researched article is what we should expect from the major media and why we treat what we do here at the Polite Society Podcast so seriously.

 

Rob- With one article, you smear whites, gun owners, armed self-defense, and the NRA. I don’t think I could fit more stereotypes into an article if I tried.

Gary-

Rob- We are violent assailants who are looking for an excuse to murder. Smell the bigotry.

 

Study shows background check laws are ineffective

A Fox News article released October 17th shows that gun control laws that require background checks for all purchases of firearms are largely ineffective. The following is directly from the Fox News article.

 

Gun violence experts from the Center for Gun Policy and Research and the Violence Prevention Research Program conducted a study in Washington state, Colorado and Delaware to analyze whether state laws requiring more background checks actually resulted in more checks.

The results, published in medical journal Injury Prevention, suggest the laws had little impact.

Delaware was the only state that saw apparent results, with an increase ranging from 22 to 34 percent based on the type of firearm. But according to the study, “no overall changes were observed in Washington and Colorado.”

 

The study said data “external to the study” suggested Washington saw a “modest, but consistent” increase in background checks for private-party sales, and Colorado saw a similar increase in checks for non-gun show sales.

 

Garen Wintemute, one of the study’s authors, told The Guardian “These aren’t the results I hoped to see. I hoped to see an effect. But it’s much more important to see what’s actually happened,”

 

So what happened?

 

The study does not reach a definitive conclusion as to why background checks did not jump — but it could be a combination of poor enforcement and people choosing not to follow the law.

“Non-compliance may explain the lack of an overall increase in background checks in Washington and Colorado,” the report said.

Gary-

Rob- The article also talked about Delaware, which did show an increase in Background checks..and an increase in their crime rate.  Oops.

We hear a call for more background checks after each mass murder..after the murderer passed his background checks.  Sigh.

Paul – I want to give kudos to the researcher in that he was admittedly going for anti gun result and went ahead and published anyway

 

Gun Quotes- Then he said to them, But now he that hath a bag, let him take it, and likewise a scrip, and he that hath none, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword. Jesus of Nazareth, Luke 22:36

 

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3- Interview 1 Sarah Cade

I’m the enemy.

Sarah, do you hear Democrat politicians and democrat activists supporting the right to own guns?

Do you much outreach to other Democrats?

You reach out to your friends. Do you ever call out the liberal media for misrepresenting you?

Cadeimaging.com

 

4- Interview 2

A friend wrote this. If is saves one life. Shayna reminds us of the costs of gun control.

 

Dear Gun Control Activists,

Do you know who Carol Bowne is?

Since you advocate for more gun control, you absolutely should know who she is.

When you go to sleep at night, her face should be in your dreams.

When you pray, if you pray, she should be in your prayers.

You should repeat her name every single time you promote laws that restrict law abiding citizens from having and carrying guns.

Carol Bowne.

Carol Bowne died waiting for the state of New Jersey, specifically her local police department, to allow her to protect herself with a gun.

Had national reciprocity been passed, had shall-issue concealed carry been the law of the land, Carol would still be alive.

Carol Bowne died at the hands of her violent ex because you allowed her to. Because you advocate that women like her shouldn’t be allowed to choose how they protect themselves.

I am advocating for choice.

Choice. So that women like me are not raped because I am not allowed to carry my gun when getting my education, though I can carry my gun everywhere else I go.

Choice. So that women like Carol can protect themselves before it’s too late when the police department is incapable of providing protection.

Make no mistake, Carol Bowne died BECAUSE of you and people like you.

Say her name.

~_~_

Shayna Lopez-Rivas is a rape survivor.  She condemns so called “gun-free” zones, and advocates for the right to choose self-defense. Shayna’s original article is here.

 

Amanda Collins- Rape survivor, disarmed by state law on her campus.

Gary – Mary Shepard

Paul – I want to mention that just as liberals are not necessarily our enemy in gun rights A republican (Paul Ryan)

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Green Light

Recently on Detroit’s East side, a robbery didn’t go as planned and the mother of the robber was left wanting to know if her son was ok.

 

It was Sunday afternoon and the intended victim and his cousin decided to go down to the local market.  As they exited their car, Sanchez Quinn approached them and pointed a pistol at the men.  Little did Quinn know that the intended victim was a Concealed Pistol License holder and was carrying.

 

As Quinn approached the men, his target saw the pistol and his one thought was to get to his weapon and defend himself.  Video of the incident shows the CPL holder slap Quinn’s gun with his support hand and pull his firearm and start shooting.  Quinn returned fire.  The man’s cousin foolishly runs between the two of them on the video.  In the end, Quinn was shot several times and was taken down by the good guy.  The cousin was also shot 4 times by “getting” caught in the crossfire.

 

The entire incident was caught on high definition video.  In 2016 Detroit, Comcast Cable and local businesses started a program called Project Green Light.  The list of businesses which are participating numbers over 100 now.  The business participating gets wired for high speed internet and have high definition cameras installed.  The camera’s feed goes to the local police precinct.  The businesses also install an green light in a prominent position to let the public know that they are participating in the project.

Police have reviewed this video and have determined that it is a self-defense shooting but the case is still open.  Quinn and the cousin are expected to recover from their wounds.  Meanwhile, Quinn’s mother was left trying to get in to see her son who was in police custody with two officers standing outside his hospital door.

Rob- If you don’t know what you’d do during an attack, you won’t have time to figure it out.

 

Pistol Packing Grandmother

Diane McIntire was stopping at the local mall in Moline Illinois to get some vitamins. McIntire is the mother of 3 and grandmother of 11 and has had her carry permit for 3 years. Floyd May appeared to be waiting for the bus at that mall. As McIntire parked her truck, suddenly May was at her door attacking with a kitchen knife. McIntire fought back. She kicked him in the chest and pushed him but in the scuffle, she received a nasty gash on her arm near the elbow.

 

May forced her to drive about 20 minutes out of town on Old Route 2.  During the drive he threw her cell phone out the window. At one point, he grabbed an old shirt and tied it around her arm to try to stop the bleeding.  He also apologized for cutting her.

 

During the drive she got him to tell her that he had just gotten out of a mental health facility and had spent time in prison.  May admitted that this was kidnapping and that she could identify him.  What May didn’t know was that McIntire was a concealed carry permit owner.  Her gun was in the center console.

 

May had her pull off on a gravel road near Port Byron and stop.  He got out of the truck and dropped his knife.  While he was picking it up, McIntire used the distraction to her advantage and pulled her .380 from the console.

 

McIntire got out of the truck and pointed the gun at his chest.  She told him to stay away from her or he would get shot. McIntire then stated that she didn’t want to take a human life but if need be, she would pull the trigger.

 

May retreated to a local house and McIntire got in her truck and drove herself to a local hospital.  She received 23 stitches for the gash on her arm. She called the police from the hospital.  Based on her description, they arrested May. He is in jail on with a half million dollar bail.

 

Paul – Grandma that is flexible enough to kick someone in the chest…

Gary-

Rob- She lived in Missouri and was shopping in Illinois and visiting family. She’d lived in the quad city area before. She was car carrying and hoping it was legal. She admitted she didn’t know the details of Illinois gun laws.

Gary-

Rob- Illinois basicly does NOT have reciprocity.

 

Good guy with a gun stops kidnapping

Las Vegas has been in the news lately.  This story comes to us from Sin City.

It was a habit for Justin Pearson to grab his gun, not heroism.  A short time later, it would stop a kidnapping.

 

He heard a loud noise outside his Las Vegas home and when Pearson went to investigate, a large BMW went zooming by doing about 60 in a 25. Pearson called 911 immediately.

 

As he does anytime he leaves the house, he put his gun on his hip.  The 911 operator asked for a plate number and Pearson started down the street to get it.  The driver had lost control of the car and had nearly run into a house.  The car stopped, turned around and stopped at a neighbor’s house where a 6 year old boy was standing.

 

The man grabs the boy and starts trying to stuff him into the car.  Pearson, who stands 6 foot 4 but makes a beanpole look stocky, knew he was not going to be able to physically stop the kidnapper, who was about the same height and weighed about 250 pounds.

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Pearson pulled up his shirt and put his hand on his H and K VP9 and yelled at the man to stop.  The man turned and looked at him and after a short pause, decided to just drive away.  Police arrived at the location about 17 minutes later.

 

Police confirmed the details of Pearson’s story and that the kidnapper was the boy’s biological father.

 

This isn’t the first time that Pearson has been involved in a no shoot DGU.  Years ago, a guy pulled a knife on a friend of his and he drew his firearm and the kid ran away.

 

Rob- Most PDs wouldn’t record this as a DGU.

Gary-

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Julian wants to stir the pot.

 

Sorry this is a little old but I’m catching up on the pc. A couple episodes back pretty much all of you agreed that USA – AR over Foreign AK. That’s great to hear and since i know you wouldn’t want to be hypocrites I’m sure you’re all selling your foreign glocks for some US guns (maybe 1911s?).

 

Julian

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I posted Shayna’s article on my slow facts blog. About 1500 people came to see it. That doesn’t count it being on Ammoland and at Clash Daily. I wrote a couple of posts this week, but come and read Shayna’s article first. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 425 – Kathy Jackson

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Kathy Jackson Interview Part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Kathy Jackson Interview Part 2

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

Special RANT

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, October 12th, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about a recent immigrant who turned in his guns.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about how being a pro-second amendment organization shouldn’t surrender our guns either.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and tonight Belle and I will talk about the superiority of 1911s versus non-1911s.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about 4 legged threats .. so climb aboard

Belle: strap in

Amy : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 425 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

1911 vs?  This might convince me.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories.  That was on his Lock and Load Radio program.  Paul Carlson, Dustin Salomon and I talked about Dustin’s books, Building Shooters and Mentoring Shooters. That conversation comes out on Paul’s podcast- Safety Solutions. There are big changes in store for the training industry. I talked with Bill Chachkes on his Firearms Chat podcast and we talked about politics and instruction. Jeff Street and I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories. The Texas concealed handgun association re-published one of my articles.  Hi, Mollie.

 

John- I worked the Grass Roots North Carolina booth at the Asheville Gun Show this past weekend. Post-Las Vegas, it looked like attendance was up slightly. Paul Valone, president of GRNC and a speaker at GRPC, was there as well. We did get a few new members signed up. As the previous gun show coordinator wanted to step aside, I volunteered to be the GRNC co-coordinator for the Asheville Gun Show.

Paul – We should have Paul Valone on again!

Gary

 

Amy-Just catching up after a week on the road. While at GRPC, I was on Riding Shotgun with Charlie (Charlie Cook’s YouTube channel/podcast) and we visited the spot JFK was shot. It was neat to see!After GRPC, I spent some time visiting family in Texas and spent a few days in Atlanta, GA setting up classes with a few ranges there. I’m also currently working on getting ready to launch 3-Gun Nation’s Training program.

 

Tracy- I just got back from Indiana, where I shot the MAG-80 class this past week. There were 17 of us in class, and I’m proud to report that I tied Mas at his own game, shooting a 300/300 on the MAG double-speed qualification, earning a signed $1 bill from the man, the myth, and the legend. This was my second time this year to earn a signed $1 from Massad Ayoob. We did lots of handgun retention and disarming in this class, which got me out of my comfort zone. I’m really looking forward to the MAG-120 this December in Live Oak, Florida, where we’ll shoot a MAG qualification at triple speed!

 

Belle-Helped with Level 4 Advanced Def HG, did the role player bit, one of my fave parts of training, we had 7 students pass our HG Master Test, the most I have seen in a class. Took a much needed weekend off and went hiking with the family. Took the first registrations for the PSP ASIC for next July!

 

Paul/Susan

 

John – Just a reminder that PSP patches are still available. They are $10 each or 2 for $18. For PayPal, use john@politicsandguns.com. If you want to send a check, use that same email address.

 

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A tool for the media surrenders

The gun control debate is influenced by the media with fear stories. Directly after a mass shooting at the Route 91 Harvest Festival in Nevada, stories flourished. “I think the easiest way to stop mass shootings from happening in America is to take guns away from civilians,” Pring told Fox. Jonathan Pring from London, England, is now a resident in Phoenix, running a coffee shop and driving a doubledecker bus. Despite his British roots, Pring had bought guns, but surrendered them after hearing about the 59 deceased. He turned his guns into the Phoenix Police and publicly urged others to surrender their weapons.

The original article about Pring is no longer accessible on FOX. Instead of going directly to the urgent news story, we are led in circles to access it. Other news sites include the same stories. However, positive comments turned into negative comments. Pring received death threats after doing the ‘did the right thing’. He deleted his facebook post and left town with his family.

 

John – I’m sorry he got death threats. However, Mr. Pring was too used to being a subject and doesn’t realize what it means to be a citizen.

 

Belle- it sounds like a publicity stunt to me, but better he let them go, anyone who doesn’t want them shouldn’t have them.

Amy-publicity stunt

Rob- I’ll taking your donations and I’ll find your unwanted guns a good home.

John – Under AZ law, those guns must be sold at auction.

 

Paul – .380 and .22LR

 

Second Amendment Advocates Waves White Flag.

Life long supporters of the second amendment have surrendered their opinions and semi-auto weapons to give up on citizens rights. Caleb Keeter, the guitarist in the Josh Abbott band, changed his mind because he witnessed first hand the festival mass shooting. Keeter tweeted: ‘We couldn’t touch [the shooter] for fear the police might think we were part of the massacre and shoot us […] We need gun control RIGHT. NOW’. After Keeter turned 180 degrees, so did Ashton Kutcher, star of That 70s Show. The self-proclaimed ‘lifelong gun owner’ had once tweeted a photo of Demi Moore, his then wife, firing an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. His recent article in A Plus, admits he thinks keeping guns on this course will not change anything for the better. He wants changes for gun control.

The Tragedy in Vegas isn’t the first time that supporters have changed their minds. The Las Vegas shooting isn’t the first time that prominent second-amendment supporters have changed their minds. In 2015, the racially motivated mass-shooting in Charleston changed the mind of a conservative evangelical pastor from New Jersey. Rob Schenck,announced ‘The gun is almost an invitation to give into fear, and fear should not be a controlling element in the life of a Christian’. In 2012, Iraq veteran Liam Madden wrote an op-ed in Salon. He explained how the shootings in Newtown’s elementary school had completely shaken his worldview.

 

Amy- People forget the reason the Second Amendment exists. It’s not only about a permit holder/gun owner being able to stop crime.

Rob- I did the math.  Turning in your guns might save a life, and it will cost 21.  You are 21 times more likely to be killed by your government than by a criminal or mass murderer.  Your children are over 5000 times more likely to be killed by their government than by a firearms accident.

 

Bank Treats Hero Like Robber

Authorities arrested suspected robber Nelson Jones, but continue to ask for help from the public. Malcolm Jones remains at large and might have been injured during the crime. Both men have been indicted on federal charges for illegal use of a firearm during a crime of violence. The prosecutor’s office paid $2,500 to Crime Stoppers for a reward for information. The two suspects were stopped by off duty police officer Carl Rauschenberger.

Carl worked with the Mount St. Joseph Police Department for 15 years. He has 10 years of experience with the Greenhills Police Department. His employee record includes working for the Cincinnati Police Department for 28 years. However, his bravery, valor, and swift decision to protect innocent lives in a bank was not good enough for the bank. They asked him to bank elsewhere.

 

Gun Quotes- A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition. Rudyard Kipling

 

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3- Illegal immigration-

Paul

Amy – I agree with Paul that Criminals need to be deported, If an immigrant is only here to bring crime to our country, and not adding value, they are not making a contribution to this country. I feel strongly about this because I come from a family of immigrants. My family is from the Philippines. In World War 2, my Grandfather joined the United States Navy (guerilla Filipinos fighting Japan my family

Rob- Amy, your family are a legal immigrant. There is a difference between a legal and illegal immigrant. You can’t profit by doing something illegal, so the money paid to illegals is not deductible on taxes.

John – There is a way to get workers for field work. During WWII, the US had a guest worker program. As to immigration policy, we should look North to Canada. They give preference to those with special skills or those who are willing to invest substantial money in the Canadian economy to create jobs.

Paul – Illegal immigrants DO NOT PAY Federal taxes

4- Interview 2

 

Kathy Jackson Holster Safety

 

Belle- Why do you think there is an aversion to the more traditionally “safe” holsters? What do you think has pulled folks away from the tried and true- Hard sided, leather or kydex, strongside hip, in or outside the waistband? And why are so many women or men(to a lesser degree) who say they want to CC so unwilling to modify their wardrobe? Isn’t that just a necessary sacrifice?

 

Amy – This is an interesting topic. Over the last few years, there has been an explosion of holsters marketed for women. What do you think of the the “ace bandage” type you were referring to now offering a “trigger guard” insert? They started doing that after receiving that same feedback you were mentioning.

 

Belle- aren’t all these alternate positions more suited for BUG rather than primary firearms?

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) Welcome back to the DGU segment of the Polite Society Podcast powered by the firearms policy coalition. These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Cougar picked wrong RV park

John – Last week Casey’s Riverside RV park in Oregon had a cougar prowling the neighborhood.  The 100 pound male mountain lion was full grown but thin. It was searching the neighborhood for the feral cats.  He came around every other night in his quest for a meal.

Part of the park was mobile homes and it ventured into the backyard of the wrong home.  The man who shot the cougar has parents who live there and when it came into their backyard, he shot at it.  He fired 2 shots and one hit the big cat.  It ran down into the trees and they tracked it to where it laid dead.

The man called the Oregon State Police.  The wildlife trooper who responded did not issue any citations and took the carcass.

The Department of Fish and Wildlife spokeswoman said the shooting was allowed under state law.  “The person who took the cougar was legal to do so under statutes that allow killing of cougars causing damage or public safety issues,” said Michelle Dennehy.

Belle-where did other round go?

 

The hazards of working at convenience stores

Amy – Jennifer Wertz didn’t feel safe working at the Circle K in Albuquerque.  There has been a recent rash of robberies in the area including recently at a nearby 7-11.

Wertz was at work at the gas station when she heard about the 7-11 robbery and retrieved her gun from her car.  She got nervous when a customer from the 7-11 came in and told her about the robbery.  The recent rash of robberies had been going on and the Circle K had done nothing to protect her.

She was visibly displaying her gun on her hip and when an armed robber came into the station a short time after getting her gun and the decision to do so paid off.

“He was screaming, he point the gun in my face,” she said, “and I just point, cock and shoot, and protect myself.”

The 23-year-old robber ran out of the gas station and collapsed in the parking lot with critical injuries.

For Wertz, the decision to defend herself had consequences.  It was a violation of company policy so she was suspended for two weeks.  She quit her job and went looking for employment elsewhere.

When news of her DGU and the company’s reaction to it hit the news, a GoFundMe page was set up and raised over $70,000 for her.  {I thought I had heard another store had offered her a job but I might be getting DGU’s mixed up – Dana}

Rob- I’d like to see the Circle K held liable for injuries to their disarmed clerks.  The employees are insured, so ey also assume a similar liability.

Tracy – no one is making the person take the job, knowing that it is a dangerous job with a higher likelihood of getting robbed.

Amy – Is it the company’s responsibility to keep their employees safe? By not allowing them to carry, they are not giving the employees a way to defend themselves from a situation that, unfortunately, does happen in convenience stores (armed robberies).

 

Wrong Old Guy- Belle

We have said it before, don’t mess with the old man.  Recently in Florida, a 81-year-old homeowner was lying in bed when he heard someone knocking on the door and ringing the doorbell.  He looked out the window and did not recognize the man so he did not open his door.

The man put on a pair of gloves and went to the back of the house.

The homeowner grabbed his .22 caliber pistol when he heard a windows break and then saw the man clearing the shattered glass away.

He said he feared for his wife’s and his safety so he fired three or four shots and the would be intruder.  The man then fled to his pick up and the homeowner fired several more shots as the truck sped away.

Although it is not known if he hit the intruder, it is possible that he was either grazed or shot.  “One time I heard him say, ‘Oh,’” the victim told the 911 operator.

The criminal was still being sought.

Paul –

Belle – Lets use a reasonable defensive cal.

Tracy – any gun is better than no gun!

Amy- Don’t try robbing the Security guy

A man was “conducting security” at the Grand Strand Baptist Church in Myrtle Beach when a man approached him and asked for change for a $20.  The intended victim pulled out his wallet to offer change when the man pulled a gun and while pointing it at the victim’s stomach, demanded the wallet.  The victim handed over his money and as the robber began to walk away, he pulled his own weapon.

The robber then fired a shot at the car door.  The victim then shot back and as the robber tried to continue the fight his gun jammed.

The victim “emptied his weapon” according to the police report.  The report did not state how many times he was hit.  After being shot, he ran to the parking lot of a nearby Ruby Tuesday and told a witness that he had been shot and needed to go to the hospital.

He then collapsed .  When police arrived at the scene, a witness flagged them down and pointed the officer to a gun on the side of the road.  Another woman then pointed the officer to where the robber was lying on the ground where he had collapsed.  A third witness to the shooting, also an off-duty EMT, was helping the suspect until on-duty EMT’s arrived.

Rob- Criminals interview their victims.  “Hey, may, do you have the time, have change, have directions.”
The answer is no, go away.  The exception is if you’re working security.

 

Tracy – Break the OODA loop. we don’t shoot when the threat is gone.

 

Belle- Dont let strangers in your bubble! There is no reason in our culture for people you don’t know to get in your personal space. If you’re keeping your bubble intact, about half the time, you have a bit more time to decide and act.You can be polite, or not, from a comfortable distance.

The sad truth is, churches are another one of those places that violence happens and we know that. That should encourage a change in behavior.

 

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Text message #1

 

Al the Iron Range trucker here. Not to stir the pot (sarcasm font here) my wife carries a Sig 238. Yes 1911 in a 380! Hated the shield. I goofed on the gross weight of the truck last text. It is 830,000 pounds.

 

Tracy – any gun is better than no gun, but not my choice of caliber, nor my choice of handgun.

 

Belle-the 938 is not bad for people with limited hand strength, slide moves like butter.

 

Text message #2

 

I love listening to your show, you have a lot of great content. I don’t mean to complain but whoever keeps their microphone up their nose is very distracting with the sniffing and breathing. It drowns out some of your interviews and distracts from what others are saying. I’ve skipped a few shows because I couldn’t keep listening to it. Thanks for listening to my rant, Mike.

 

Email from Mark in Chicago

 

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen:

I am a very new shooter. Let me thank you for all the work you put into the podcast — it has been a very useful resource for a newcomer.

In my short acquaintance with the gun culture, I have found that instructors and experienced shooters recite the litany of gun safety rules frequently. And sometimes they talk about negligent discharges that occur when the rules are broken. But when they do, it is almost always about some *other* fool’s accident. That’s why I thought this post by Dr James Williams on his excellent Tactical Anatomy blog was so gutsy:

http://www.tacticalanatomy.com/blog/104-negligent-discharges.html

In this post Dr Williams, a very experienced shooter indeed, talks about the three negligent discharges that he himself has popped off in his long life as a shooting enthusiast, and what he learned from them.

I wonder if any of the hosts have caused ADs during their lives as shooters, and would be willing to discuss them on air for the good purpose of scaring newbies like me straight.

Keep up the good work.

Sincerely,
Mark

 

Tracy – Ive taken Dr. Williams’ shooting with x-ray vision class. If you have the opportunity to train with him, seize the opportunity.

 

Rob- I was practicing for competition and put one off the target and into the berm.  One went over went over the berm.

 

Gary –

 

Paul – I have NEVER admitted this, but I did have a round go off that I didn’t intend to fire

 

Amy – Fortunately, I have never had an AD, but I know people that have. I credit the military with drilling weapons safety into my mind, In the Marines, we literally carried unloaded rifles with us everywhere and were constantly trigger finger checking and checking muzzle awareness , but I am not saying military personnel have never had any AD’s happen. It’s important to talk about these things so we don’t get complacent regarding the rules of firearm safety.

 

John – I, like Amy, have been fortunate not to have an AD. I think it was luck more than anything else.

Belle- Like Paul, if we are being honest here, the only ND i have had was the split second earlier than expected slip into the sad part of the target. I agree with John tho, that it is just luck.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I posted 9 articles since our last episode. One is called, Why Republicans Ignore the Gun Vote. Money and political factionalism have marginalized gun owners. The Republican leadership would rather oppose President Trump than support the grassroots. Most politicians are in it for the money, and the Republican leadership certainly is. My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John – In the post-Las Vegas shooting days, the gun banners have gone into hyper-drive. I have many posts up about their plans to ban bump fire stocks. For our purposes, it is important to remember that the devil is in the details. The way these bills are written, upgrading your trigger or changing the buffer weight in your AR could be construed to allow a semi-auto rifle to increase its rate of fire. So, for example, if Amy has anything but a gritty mil-spec trigger on her 3Gun rifle, it could be illegal for her to even possess that trigger. The House bill doesn’t even mention bump fire stocks but just says any part that is meant to increase the rate of fire. The sad thing is that you have co-sponsors of the bill who should be our friends – A rated and endorsed by the NRA. All of this means we have to get off our butts and start calling, faxing, emailing, and writing our congressional critters. Now.

 

Amy – Yes! The devil is in the details!

I have not written anything new but will be ready to announce my blog on website www.ccwstyle.com by next episode. Currently, in the middle of a lot of changes there.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Amy: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 424 – GRPC / Amm-Con 2017

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1- Open and Personal News Segment: 

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- Yehuda Remer Interview:

5 Tiffany Johnson and Bob Mayne Interview

6 Charlie Cook Interview

7 Ben Branam Interview

8 Various GRPC Interviews

9-Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday, October 4th, 2017 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse we will talk about this past weekend’s GPRC in Dallas

John: I’m John Richardson,We will also talk about the 1st annual AMM-con

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty  and we will discuss the attacks in Las Vegas and Nashville, so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 424 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob

John

Rachel

Gary

Amy

Tracy

Belle

Paul/Susan

 

News-

Attack in Las Vegasthe killing of 59 people and injury of 527 concert goers

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/inside-the-criminal-mind/201710/las-vegas-and-the-myth-the-out-character-crime

“Rarely, if ever, is it a case of a “good guy” suddenly gone bad. As the investigation proceeds, more information will come to light revealing now unknown aspects of the Las Vegas murderer’s personality and motives. And we will see that the attack was in fact “in character.”

 

Paul: I want to talk bump fire stocks for a bit

 

Ammcon-

Rob-

 

Grpc-

Rob-

 

Attack in Nashville-

 

Gun Quotes- What society in human history ever gathered its children together, then issued a public guarantee that they would be left completely undefended?  Alex Rawls

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote about the attack in Las Vegas.  We don’t know much about the shooter, but we sure learned a great deal about the anti-rights media and politicians.  I said that governments are far more dangerous than criminals, than accidents, and more dangerous than mass murderers.  Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Rob-

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

paul: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 423 – Brian Hill, Marty Hayes, and Marcus Weldon

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Brian Hill

4- Interview Segment 2: Marty Hayes

5- Interview Segment 3: Marcus Allen Weldon

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on September 21, 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Marcus Allen about being wrongly prosecuted in Detroit.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a Due Process Failure in Kentucky.

Amy: I’m Amy Dillon and we’ll also talk about a court case in Utah saying employees don’t have to take a bullet for the company.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormack and we’ll talk about a DGU from Washington State where a homeowner credits training for no shots being fired… so climb aboard

Amy: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 423 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Live fire training with a student. I recorded Tracy on Self-Defense Gun Stories. Carried every day.

 

I heard from Jeff and Robyn Street. They live in Naples Florida and went through the eye of hurricane Irma. They prepared well and did well. They have water and power, so they have air conditioning, but they don’t have phone or internet yet.

 

John- As regular listeners to the show know, my wife and I love to visit thrift stores and church bazaars. This weekend I picked up a tennis racquet carry bag with a shoulder strap which I intend to convert to a covert bag for either a folded stock rifle or my AR15 pistol. So for $1 plus some cheap foam I will have a carry bag that lets me go about my business without frightening the hoplophobes,

(Rob- Hey, Bugsy, don’t touch my lucky tennis racket.)

 

Amy – Recovering from recent hurricanes in the SouthEast! Scheduling my training classes for the upcoming 4th quarter, working on redesigning my website CCWstyle.com, and gearing up and training for the 3-Gun Nation Regionals in Virginia on Nov 10th. I’m excited to be headed to Dallas next week for the Gun Rights Policy Conference! I’m driving from South Carolina to attend!

 

Belle- Got the new 2018 schedule up on the website for FAS, very busy at t

e Network and getting ready for Farnum’s Urban Rifle course this weekend.

Rob- So I’m in the special class again.  Darn it.

 

Paul/Susan Amm-Con and GRPC planning

 

Patches!!If you are attending the upcoming Gun Rights Policy Conference in Dallas, we will have PSP patches available for purchase. Cost is $10 each. If you can’t make GRPC, you can still buy a patch by emailing john@politicsandguns.com. We accept PayPal or checks.

 

Should our friends bring their headsets?

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

Patches!!!

Break

 

2- News 1

Due Process Failure

When the Police State is running things you must be careful.  We are not talking about being questioned at a train station in East Germany during the Cold War.  We are talking about the treatment of American citizens by federal authorities.  The case of Gerardo Serrano is a textbook example.

Mr. Serrano lives on a farm in Kentucky.  He unsuccessfully ran for the US House in 2014 as a pro-Second Amendment candidate.  He is licensed to carry and typically conceals his Sig Sauer .380 caliber pistol.

Mr. Serrano decided to drive to Mexico for a visit with his cousin in September 2015.  Along the way, he took pictures with his phone to document his journey.  Everything was going swimmingly until he reached the border crossing in Eagle Pass, Texas.  He held his phone out the window and captured an image of the Customs Agents in the vicinity.  The photo depicts the two agents holding their hands up in an apparent attempt to prevent him from taking their picture.  The agents then directed Mr. Serrano to the side of the road and asked him to surrender his phone.  He refused to comply.

 

The agents then opened the door to the new Ford F-250, unbuckled his seat belt and removed him from the truck.  His phone was seized and the agents demanded his phone’s passcode.  Again, Serrano refused to comply.  His truck was searched and a loaded six round .380 magazine was found in the center console.  He was detained for three hours and was told he was free to go.  However, his truck was not free to go.  Serrano then rented a car and drove back to his Kentucky home.

 

The authorities seized Mr. Serrano’s truck under federal asset forfeiture.  The truck was considered a “conveyance of illegal exportation.”  Of course, these types of findings are normally made once someone crosses into Mexico.  It seems that the border agents don’t like to have their picture taken.

Mr. Serrano requested a trial to resolve this matter on September 7.  His other options were to pay a ransom to the agency in the amount of $4,000 (10% of the value) or just let them have it.  It will be interesting to see how this works out for Mr. Serrano.

 

John – As bad as this is, Mr Serrano just lost a truck. The SAF has filed an amicus brief in a case out of Florida where the District Ct said you can have either your 2nd rights or your 4th amendment rights but not both. A man answered the door at 1:30am with a handgun in his hand. He was shot and killed by the cops who knocked and then shot when he answered the door. They were seeking info on a motorcycle parked near his house.

 

Rob- John, I disagree, but I hope he hasn’t lost a truck, but I agree this is abusive prosecution, and the so called civil rights activists are silent..because the victim was a gun owner.  Why is the Trump administration continuing the prosecution of this legal case?

 

Cleanup in Aisle 14

The Utah Supreme Court sided with a group of Wal-Mart workers who were fired for defending themselves when they were assaulted by an armed shoplifter.  Six workers were fired after they fought with a shoplifter who pulled a gun on them inside the Layton Wal-Mart.  The company had claimed the employees violated Wal-Mart’s policy of disengaging, withdrawing and alerting authorities. During a hearing, Utah Supreme Court Justice Christine Durham bluntly asked if an employer should be able to fire somebody “for refusing to take a bullet for the company?”

 

The court said, “Utah law reflects a policy favoring the right of self-defense.  That public policy is an exception to the at-will employment, but only under the narrow circumstances where an employee cannot withdraw.”

 

In practical terms, this means the employees can sue Walmart for unfair termination.

Amy –

Rob-

 

Gun Quotes

People with armed security should not lecture the rest of us about gun control.

Source unknown.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Marcus Weldon).

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3- Interview 1- Marcus Allen Weldon

You were arrested after a self defence incident.  You were wearing a santa suit, so this was christmas of what year?

You were arrested and charged.

When did you get a not guilty verdict?

It cost you about how much to defend yourself?

And that was the end of it?

Are we sure that it is taken care of now?

What would you tell your 26 year old self?

Get insurance.

Practice closing your mouth until you talk to your lawyer.

 

4- Interview 2

Brian Hill-

Rob- We’re not violent.  We don’t recognize violence until it is in our face.

 

Marty Hayes-

Rob-

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Training Training Training

A Marysville Washington homeowner credits his training for a no shots fired DGU.

Sunday night just after midnight, Joe Hemrich was awake and sitting in his living room when he heard a noise outside.  He turned on his surveillance cameras but did not see anything.  Not knowing what it was, he went to investigate.  He found a man in his driveway under his carport.  The area appeared to be ransacked and the man looked to be holding a baton or a stick.

Four feet away from the man was his child’s bedroom.  Up until recently, the 70 degree temps meant that the bedroom windows were open at night.

Hemrich drew his weapon and ordered the man back.  The man dropped this baton and backed up and even got down on the ground when ordered to do so.

The father of three held his stance in the doorway, holding the pistol he has owned and trained with for 12 years on the criminal with four warrants out for his arrest and happened to be on the lam.

“This is the first time in my life it has ever come out of the holster when I wasn’t at a range,” he said.  “I train so I know exactly where it is, exactly how to pull it out, whether my finger is going on the trigger.”

He stated that the extensive training allowed him to focus on the subject in front of him and not on his gun.

“I carry a firearm to protect myself, my family, my community with the intentions of never having to use it,” he said.

The surveillance video was still rolling when it captured Hemrich walk the suspect at gunpoint to the front yard, ordering him to the ground and holding him until police arrived about five minutes after the altercation began.

Marysville police said he did everything right and most importantly, he complied with the officer’s commands when they arrived on the scene.

POGO once again is proven to work.

Amy- Great example of effective training

Rob-

Leave your Ex alone

Nothing good happens after midnight.  And nothing good happens when you go to your ex-girlfriend’s home after midnight.

Christopher Carter showed up at his ex-girlfriend’s new boyfriend’s home just before 4 AM this last weekend.  An argument erupted and shots were fired.  Police said that Carter shot both his ex-girlfriend and her boyfriend.  She was shot in the leg and he was shot in the arm.

The boyfriend went in the house, grabbed a pistol and shot Carter.  Carter was pronounced dead at the scene.

The couple were treated and released at the local hospital.

The Athens Alabama police chief stated that they had reviewed the evidence and statements were taken.  The investigation will continue for several weeks but they believe they have a case of self-defense.  The case will be handed to the County district attorney and will probably go to grand jury.

John –

They always say he shouldn’t have been shot

In Laplace Louisiana last week Kalvin Ferrygood tried to break into a home.  When the homeowner heard two voices in the back of his house, he went to the door to see what was happening.  That was when Ferrygood forced his way into the home.  The homeowner defended himself and opened fire.

Saint James Parrish Sheriff’s deputies found a gun in the backyard which they believe belonged to one of the two intruders.  They also stated there is video evidence of what happened.

Ferrygood had just been released from jail four months ago after being arrested for shooting five people on Christmas Eve 2008 at a night club in the Parish.

Ferrygood’s family was defending him.  They stated that the mojo had him running and that he wouldn’t break in or hurt anyone.  As stated, the video shows differently.  Mojo is a synthetic marijuana which has been known to cause erratic behavior and even cause death.

According to the Parish Sheriff’s office, the homeowner acted in self-defense and he was not arrested.  They are working to identify the second subject.

Rob- Good job having a gun ready when you need it.

John – not meant for human consumption

Don’t Judge a Book by Its Cover

79 year-old James Noah and 77 year-old Barbara Melton were inside their apartment on a Saturday afternoon when there was a knock on the door.  Melton answered the knock and two men shoved her aside and forced their way inside.

The two men started assaulting Noah with a blunt object.  But, Noah was practicing POGO and was able to draw his handgun from his waistband and fired one shot.  He hit his 26 year-old assailant in the head.

The second would-be robber fled the scene after his partner was shot.  The first robber was alive with life-threatening injuries.

According to a neighbor, Noah was a vet and had training which kicked in during the encounter.  Noah was recovering but had some bruising on his face.  No criminal charges will be sought against him.

 

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Listener Kay writes in

 

Hello gang!

 First off thank you for the wonderfully informative podcast! since I started listening roughly a year ago I have yet to miss an episode.

 I just listened to your segment with Paul Martin on being prepared. As Paul spoke about having friends in the Salt Lake Valley who are prepared but do not consider themselves “preppers” it dawned on me that We who live in Utah are just that. I did not realize that it has become a way of life here. Now I, not being of the Mormon faith, but lived here almost all of my 40 years,pick up on these ideals because it is a way of life here. But the Idea of food storage here is not just for doom and gloom. As the Mormon church teaches, it is to be self sufficient, in case of loss of job, accident, etc. that may keep you from having funds to feed the family.

 

Our food storage consists of canned at home, re-fried beans, whole beans, rice, powdered milk, and wheat. very little is store bought “canned” items. We also have bottled (a lost art in some areas of the nation) mirepoix (onions, celery, carrots in chicken stock) for soups and the like, for each member of our family we have no less than a weeks worth of food on hand.

 

 Due to the fact that we live in Southern Utah, which is high desert, we get a variance of weather. In the summer temps reach 110+ and in the winter can reach freezing during the night. we generally have on hand 2 gallons of water per individual per day for just as many weeks as food. Sounds like overkill to some but to us it is might be enough.This is just if we decide to barricade and ride out the problem. If we must bug out we have backpacks for each individual containing enough food water and first aid for three days. we also carry a field medical bag with surgical kit. To top it off, each family member has a primary and secondary firearm system with ammo to spare. As far as training is concerned, local meetings happen quite regularly for first aid, canning and bottling and general food storage.

 

   In just our neighborhood alone there are a plethora of different skill sets among the neighbors and we all know each other well. With local parties and gatherings that are usually put on by the Mormon Church you get to know the people around you very well creating almost a band of families you can trust. As I write this we do sound a tad crazy but better to have it and not need, it than need it and not have it.

 

Rob- What a wonderful neighborhood.

Amy – Not crazy, very prepared! For example, when a natural disaster happens, grocery stores are emptied, and supplies are hard to find.

John – I worry about my daughters and their families. We preach that they need to have extra food. I may finally be getting through to one of my sil who is diabetic.

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- We recently found out that the election last november in New Hampshire was probably a fraud.  New Hampshire has same day registration, and more than five thousand voters entered New Hampshire to cast their vote on election day, and then never became state residents.  New Hampshire voted for Hillary by a margin of only 2700 votes.  They elected a democrat senator with a margin of 1100 votes.  Yep, that is the definition of fraud.  Dr John Lott proposed a solution.

 

We already have a national instant background check system in place.  Scores of judges already ruled that this particular background check does not infringe on any of our constitutional rights.  This is the background check system we use when an honest citizen buys a firearm.

 

The background check wasn’t an infringement when I had to use it..or so I was told.  Democrats also told us that the instant background check system is necessary to keep felons and illegals from buying guns, and to keep honest gun owners from buying more than one gun a month.  We can use these background check systems today to keep illegals from voting and to keep US citizens from voting more than once.

 

My articles are at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and on my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

Earlier this week, the Wisconsin Senate Judiciary and Public Safety Committee approved a bill that would bring constitutional carry to the Badger State. Given that they didn’t get any form of concealed carry until 2011, this is amazing. The chairman of the committee predicts it will pass both houses of the legislature. It is unclear whether Gov. Scott Walker will sign the bill as he has indicated he is happy with the current system. If you live in Wisconsin, you might want to give your governor a call on this. Now if the North Carolina Senate would get their act together on constitutional carry….

Rob-

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Amy have you written anything that you want to mention?

My recent articles have been published on gunware.net. This week I’ll be writing about competitive shooting.  I will also be adding my articles bank to my website ccwstyle.com and linking them there in the future as well.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Amy stay safe,

Belle: be aware

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 422 – Dr John Edeen

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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday September 11th , I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with friend of the show and frequent guest Dr John Edeen about a doctor referral service.

Tracy: I‘m Tracy Thronburg , and We will discuss the US Virgin Islands wanting to confiscate guns.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk POGO even at Taco Bell .. so climb aboard

Tracy: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 422 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them), getting

 

Rob- I cut the walls out of a flooded house in Texas.  I also got in some dry fire and life fire practice.  I was going to interview Jeff and Robyn Street for my podcast, but they are busy dodging their own hurricanes.  I was able to donate some money to Marcus Weldon.

 

Gary-

 

Tracy- I just got back from a Ladyseed class this past weekend down by San Antonio, at Tim Crosnoe’s home range. Tim was one of our instructors.  A big word of thanks to Tim and Kristin Crosnoe for putting me up for three nights. I very much enjoyed their company and hospitality. It was a great class. Dr. John Edeen was there and helped out. I’ll tell you, the class is A LOT harder than I expected. In all of the years that I’ve been shooting, never have I fallen asleep on the range, much less during live fire. I’m pleased to report that I finished the class on a high note, with all of my 400-yard shots and the 250-yard head shot on the Redcoat target. While I didn’t make Rifleman this time, I’m looking forward to my next Appleseed class. I can’t let Rachel beat me at anything, and I’ve got my work cut out for me to get to her level of rifle shooting.

 

Paul/Susan-

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 

Aldermen want a ban on weapons at Chicago rallies after Charlottesville violence

Last week, a Chicago Alderman introduced an ordinance in response to the violence in Charlottesville, Va.

The ordinance says that because right-wing “paramilitary militias” carried guns and other weapons at the “Unite the Right” rally that devolved into violence, Chicago police should have explicit power to outlaw weapons at Chicago events.

 

Given that Chicago police can ban loudspeakers and other disruptions, Alderman Edward Burke said in a news release “it seems only fitting that Chicago should also be able to restrict the carrying of weapons during public demonstrations in order to curtail the possibility of violence.”

 

Chicago police already have broad powers about what may or may not be brought to marches and other public gatherings in the city. But the new proposal specifically bans “firearms, knives, weapons, sharp objects, shields, fireworks, chains, bats, clubs, sticks, batons and any other rod-like instrument.”

 

It also allows the Police Department “to determine other items that may not be allowed at an assembly.”

Violators would face fines of $500 to $1,000, and up to 10 days behind bars. The proposal will head to a joint Finance and Public Safety Committee hearing.

 

Rob- This sounds like legislating “pre-crime” to me.  So far we’ve seen communist mayors disarm peaceful protesters while they stood back and let left wing goons beat people up.

 

Any rationalization will do to make chicago citizens vulnerable.  How about we arrest chicago drug gangs and put them in prison.

 

Tracy – Let’s just go ahead and ban car keys while we’re at it (because car keys can be sharp objects) and have everyone take public transportation to the rallies. This is just sad.

 

ELMHURST POLICE: THERE WILL BE NO GUNS AT CONCEALED CARRY CLASS
Safety concerns raised over a planned firearms class qualifying people to carry concealed weapons in Illinois are baseless, according to Elmhurst police chief Michael Ruth. “It’s strictly a classroom environment. There’s no weapons, there’s no firearms, there’s no ammunition. There’s none of those things.”

Social media activity had raised the specter of armed students coming to the classes being offered in the Knights of Columbus Hall.

Brad Carey, who manages hall rentals, was as emphatic as Ruth about the rental by Illinois Concealed Carry, LLC, the organization putting on the classes. “In the contract I had them sign, there’s no ammunition allowed in the hall, there’s no shooting going on.” Carey said. Carey also stated that during the rental the Knights bar will be closed and locked up.

The issue was brought to the attention of the Elmhurst City Council meeting Tuesday when a  resident told council members about their concerns. The resident cited what they claimed were written statements by previous class attendees that they were “required to bring a firearm” and were “required to shoot on the last day of class.”

Ruth and Carey said after a full class day on Saturday, the Sunday classroom work would end at 1 p.m. Participants are expected then to leave Elmhurst for hands-on gun work at an approved firing range outside the city.

Those intending to fire weapons outside Elmhurst after the class must possess a valid Illinois Firearms Owners Identification card issued by the Illinois State Police. Weapons to be transported must be broken down and not easily accessible from within the vehicle.

Paul- Gary, isn’t there a firing portion to the qualification to get an Illinois CCW?

 

Rob- You can smell the stupid from here.  This is really poor journalism.  Someone said shooting is required, so I don’t want a class in my neighborhood.  It just SOUNDS dangerous.

 

In fact, the only point of the mandated training is to dissuade licensed gun owners.

 

Virgin Islands prepares to grab guns ahead of hurricane Irma

On September 4th ahead of the landfall of Hurricane Irma Kenneth Mapp, the Governor of the US Virgin Islands issued a directive that raised quite a few eyebrows. Quoting directly from the 2rd paragraph of the directive.

 

“The Adjutant General is authorized and directed to seize arms, ammunition, explosives, incendiary material and any other property that may be required by the military forces for the performance of this emergency mission”

 

Immediately after some in the media informed the Governor that the Virgin Islands were a territory of the US and were subject to the constitution, including the 2nd amendment, the Gov tried to backpedal and say that he was only authorizing release of weapons from an armory.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

 

Rob- Annex the virgin islands and make them a county in Florida.

Tracy – No, annex them to Illinois!

Rob- notice the difference between this and Texas/Louisiana!

 

Gun Quotes- Can we hate our country enough to change it, and yet love our country enough to think it worth changing?  Misquote of G. K. Chesterton

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with John Edeen.

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3- Interview 2

We’ve heard the claim that “Democrats want your guns”.  I’ve heard it from  republican candidates when they are running for office.  I wanted to know if that was true.

 

That isn’t too hard to do.  We know how many people have concealed carry permits in each state.  We know what the permits costs and if the state doesn’t give permits to ordinary citizens.  We also know the party affiliations of state governments.  All we have to do is put it all together.

 

We see some consistent trends.  Fewer of us get permits when the cost go up.  The more training the state mandates the fewer of us get our permits.  Some states make you take out a newspaper advertisement or call your employer before you can get a permit.  Only judges and politicians get permits in “may issue” states.

 

You’re about three times more likely to get your permit if you live in a republican dominated state than in a democrat dominated state.  If you really want to see political bias then look at the permitting schemes.  The constitutional carry states are republican or neutral.  The may issue states are all democrat controlled.

 

There is one exception. Vermont became democrat controlled and they never have had any gun licensing laws.  They still don’t.

 

I wish it wasn’t so, but I’ve seen it with my own eyes.  Judging by their actions, the democrats want us disarmed.  I wish both political parties defended our rights.

 

See for yourself at my blog, slowfacts.wordpress.com.

 

Gary-

 

Tracy- Rob, I’m curious as to which state(s) require you to take out an ad in the local newspaper and/or call your employer because in Texas, being a license to carry holder is private information.

 

4- Interview 1 Dr John Edeen – DRGO.org

2Adoc.com

 

Tracy – Many medical practices are now owned by major healthcare corporations, such as Healthcare Corporation of America. HCA has a policy prohibiting firearms at their facilities. How can we circumvent this? I work for a group of specialty physicians, some of whom are gun owners, but their practice is owned by a large corporation. Are those patients just out of luck?

 

Rob- Doc, why is this necessary?

 

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

PA Home Invasion

Servando Santos was warned.  After assaulting an elderly lady in Dauphin County PA, he forced his way into a nearby home.  The homeowner confronted Santos and warned him that he was armed.  Santos continued into the home.  The homeowner then fired several shots, one of which hit Santos in the abdomen. He then continued further into the home and struggled with other people before being subdued shortly before police arrived.

Santos continued struggling with officers and was taken into custody.  He was given medical attention at the scene and transported to a local hospital where he died from this wound.

The female from the first residence was in the hospital in critical condition

 

Tracy – what does Farnam say? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

(Farnam says move!)

 

Taco Bell Shooting

Two armed robbers walked into Taco Bell in Cleveland.  It was the middle of the afternoon and they were wearing masks on their faces as if they were acting in an old western.  Instead of a Taco Supreme, they ordered the employees behind the counter to  lie down on the ground.  The robbers were both armed.  Six employees were in the store that evening.

The robbers walked up to the cash registers and three other employees then fired several shots at the two masked men.  They shot one of the robbers 6 times.  The other robber immediately ran from the restaurant.

Police found the first robber laying face up on the floor unconscious with a faint pulse with the loaded gun still in his hand.  He died after being taken to a local hospital.

The second robber had not been apprehended.

Gary –

Tracy – I’m glad to see an employer who lets their employees be armed at work.

Rob- great job.  Work together next time.

 

Indianapolis Carjacking Prevented

Law student Kari Bird was getting out of her car.  She was parked outside her home.  It was almost midnight and a group of 3 or 4 young males approached her.  She didn’t think much about it until one of the robbers presented his firearm and demanded her keys.

Just after handing over her keys, she remembered that all of her very expensive law books were still in her car.  She reacted quickly and drew her own gun from the center console.

The robber said ‘Oh, [expletive]’ , and then ran.

 

Tracy- do we know what state this was in?

Rob- What would you tell your students to do?

Rob-

 

Spokane Neighbors Stop Burglars

Recently in a close knit Spokane neighborhood a couple was watching TV and noticed by the reflection in the TV that a couple of people were walking up to the house next door.  They didn’t recognize either person and knew that the woman who lived there was not home.

They knew they were going to have problems contacting the neighbor since she had gone to an area of notoriously poor cell service.

Raymond Dupris watched the couple from his window as they walked past the house then came around back through an alley.  The female burglar was pacing around and the next thing Dupris sees is a backpack fly over the fence and the male suspect jumps the fence.  When he broke in the door, Dupris told his wife to call the neighbor from the other side of their home.

The neighbor came over with his gun and Dupris’ wife called Spokane police.

When the burglar tried to exit the home through the bathroom window, the neighbor aimed his gun at him.  He then tried to flee through the front door but was cornered by Dupris and the neighbor.

“He just stopped in his tracks and got down on the ground.  I held him down on the ground and got on him with my knee on the back of his neck and the other neighbor had the gun on him, and we were just waiting for the cops,” Dupris said.

Spokane police arrived quickly and arrested the 21 year-old man.  He make an appearance in court for a residential burglary charge and a $500 bond was set.

 

Tracy – My doors are locked for YOUR protection! I’m also NEVER going to look for trouble. Call 911. This is why we have property insurance.

Rob- I want them to listen to this podcast so they have a plan.  That means they know what to do, and what to not do.

Pistol Packing Mama chases off home invader

Brett Santo walked into Sarah Long’s home in Elyria OH and approached her 15 year-old daughter.  When Long’s 17 year-old saw Santo, she screamed which launched her mother into action.

She grabbed a pistol by her bed and charged Santo but dropped her gun while still in her home.  She and the 17 year old chased Santo out of the house and down the sidewalk until they lost sight of him.

Officers were dispatched to the area on a report of burglary suspect fleeing the area and Long provided a description.

Police found him on a short distance away and during the ride to the station admitted to burglarizing the home.

This was not the first time Long chased Santo from her home.  He entered her home but left when confronted.  This time when he approached her daughter, the mama bear made an appearance.  Her boyfriend had just left the house and had told her to keep the pistol handy.

 

Rob- To give moma bear a bit of credit, maybe she chased her daughter, not the thief.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Text Message #1

 

Hey guys

 

I was just wondering how many magazines would recommend someone to have for pistol and rifle?

 

Thanks

Jp

 

Tracy – The more, the better, and remember to buy quality magazines! Your life may depend on it.

Gary –

 

Hal thinks Paul’s choice in guns is… Less than ideal

 

I had just about forgiven Paul for his glock-fan-boy shame since he smarted up and started carrying a S&W Shield and then we came to episode # 412 and the question of BBQ guns. Paul made the statement regarding 1911’s… “I am not a 1911 fan” (gasp!!!) “I do not like them” (heresy!!!) “I think they are very old technology” (that should be stated as ‘have stood the test of time!’) and then, shame of shame “incredibly outdated”… OMG!!! I almost drove right off the dang road! I must admit, he did save a very small bit of face when he described how much he liked the Cabot 1911 with the meteorite grip, I could hear the lust in his voice! That made his previous comments almost bearable! I had to put the torches and the tar and feathers back into the closet that I hide them in and will once again try to find a way to forgive Paul for his blatant sacrilege of not liking a near perfect form of sidearm that some of us learned to shoot at the age of 7… some 53 years ago… as taught by our Marine father.

 

In response to the obvious question… yes, I have shot the glock, many times, and find it to be the Yugo of firearms, cheap, somewhat efficient, ultimately serviceable and totally undesirable, for me, on par with a hi-point… this is my opinion, no better than Paul’s, and we all know what they say about opinions!

now, if one of you would be so kind as to tell me what font we are supposed to use when utilizing sarcasm, those portions of my commentary in which I am utilizing sarcasm would be much more easily discernible…

sign me

Hal in Kaliforniastan

p.s. I am inserting a picture of a pair of the Cabot 1911’s in which much of the near perfect form of handgun is made of meteorite… please feel free to join me as I drool all over myself!

 

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Rob-

Gary-

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I read Amanda Suffecool’s book on producing a concealed carry fashion show.

 

Do you want to attract more women and minorities to your club?  Do you want more young people at your events and fundraising activities?  Here is your opportunity to back up your words with actions.  Since concealed means concealed, new gun owners don’t know what they are missing.

 

Put on a concealed carry fashion show that looks like the members you want rather than the members you have.  You can do more than tell new gun owners that they are a welcome part of Armed America; You can show them.  Show them that concealed carry holders “look just like them.”

 

Amanda wrote this book with us in mind.  This is a nuts-and-bolts kind of instruction manual.  She identifies the people, positions, tasks and decisions you need to make your event a success.  Events like this have been done before.  We all can learn from their experience, the good and the bad.

 

I want you to do it.  A fashion show does more than demonstrate methods of concealed carry for men and women.  It can recruit new members into your club, and it can be entertainment for existing members.  The show can be a fundraising event for your organization.  You can showcase local vendors and promote their products.  A fashion show does that,  and something equally important.

 

A concealed carry fashion show communicates what responsible gun owners in your community look like.  You get to make that statement rather than accept how gun owners are portrayed in the media.

 

Do it.

 

That and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog  slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

www.Patreon.com/politesocietypodcast

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 421 – Amanda Suffecool and Paul Martin

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/Episode20421.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest : Amanda Suffecool part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest : Amanda Suffecool Part 2

5 – Interview Segment 3 : Guest : Paul Martin – Part 1

6 – Interview Segment 4: Guest : Paul Martin – Part 2

7- DGU Segment:

8- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday September 2nd 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Amanda Suffecool about the concealed carry fashion shows she’s put on.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the efforts of Chicago to prevent a gun store from opening.

Tracy Thronburg: I’m Tracy Thronburg and tonight we’ll talk with Paul Martin about prepping.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 421 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I read the Wren decision out of the DC appeals court. I recorded David Cole for Self-Defense Gun Stories. I carried every day. We dodged a hurricane, so it is still a little wet to go to the range. I did some dry practice indoors.

 

John- My week has had dual highlights. First, I had dinner – in person, mind you – with Paul on Wednesday as he was driving through with a load. Then, my granddaughter Olivia spent the weekend with us which is always a treat. I also attended the Greensboro, NC gun show with my son-in-law and his dad. My biggest take-away is that AR prices are way down – Ruger AR-556s for as low as $449 – and that the new short barreled firearms from Mossberg and Remington are big hits.

 

Tracy- I went to Camp Gladiator five days this week. I gave a retired husband and wife a lesson on Thursday night, where they quickly learned that good gear choices can make or break a private lesson, and I worked as the chief range safety officer at Shady Oaks Gun Range today in Cedar Park. I’m still on the lookout for a reliable source for gas for my Denali.

 

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Promo about patches

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2- News 1

 

So Let It Be Written So Let It Be Done.

In July 2010, R. Joseph Franzese submitted an application for a business license. He proposed opening a gun shop called Second Amendment Arms (SAA). Franzese bought the property advertised as commercial property, but the city now claims it was not zoned as commercial. He contends the city will block a gun shop, no matter where it’s located. The Second Amendment Foundation became Franzese’s ally and backed a case challenging a ban of firearms sales within city limits. A federal court judge in Illinois denied a City of Chicago motion for summary judgment and refused to dismiss the case. Robert M. Dow, Jr., U.S. District Court Judge set Sept. 28 as the next date to discuss damages for the plaintiff in Second Amendment Arms v. City of Chicago.

Alan Gottlieb, SAF founder and Executive Vice President, said “The City of Chicago under Rahm Emanuel is trying to be too clever by half. We would have thought by now that they would have ceased this pattern of spending tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars on stubborn litigation, but the city seems determined to be dragged kicking and screaming into compliance with the Second Amendment. Since losing its gun ban fight in the Supreme Court’s 2010 McDonald ruling. Chicago has been digging its heels in deeper and deeper, throwing every kind of legal roadblock it could in an effort to delay what seems inevitable. The city has got to follow the law and the constitution, and as long as they keep fighting, we’ll keep suing. That’s what winning firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time is all about.”

 

John – What Chicago is engaging in is a form of “red-lining”. The use of zoning to keep out legal business. It was originally used to keep African Americans out of certain neighborhoods because mortgage companies wouldn’t lend to them.

 

Rob- I agree, John.  This is a civil rights violation and it has been going on for a very long time. Why is the city’s bigotry allowed to stand?  The city demands live fire before it will grant a permit.  A judge should demand that the city open police ranges to civilian use until a private company stands up.

 

Gary –

 

So, you think you have Constitutional Carry?

If you are not familiar with the work of John Lott, you are missing out on some valuable information.  His Crime Prevention Research Center published an article addressing limitations on Constitutional Carry in March of 2016. https://crimeresearch.org/2016/03/the-very-real-limits-on-constitutional-carry/

 

The focus of the article is the federal Gun Free School Zones Act.  This legislation was originally introduced by Senator Joe Biden and signed into law by President George H. W. Bush in 1990.  In 1995 this law was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court.  This was a landmark decision.  It was the first time in over 50 years that the Supreme Court placed limits on Congress’ ability to legislate under the Commerce Clause.  In 1996, Congress massaged the language and reenacted this unconstitutional statute.

 

This statute criminalizes the possession of a firearm within 1,000 feet of the boundary of a school.  There are exceptions to this rule.  Unloaded firearms that are in locked containers in a vehicle are exempted.  Private property within 1,000 feet of the school boundary but not part of school grounds is also an exception.  Additionally, persons licensed to carry may be exempt.  However, you must have a license issued by the state in which the school district resides.

 

If you live in a Constitutional Carry state and you do not possess a state-issued license, you have a problem.  You are committing a crime if you find yourself carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school boundary.  Dr. Lott’s article points out the difficulty of even driving across a typical city without violating this law.  Even if you are unaware of the school tucked back in the woods two streets to the east of you, you are eligible for a five-year, all expenses paid prison term and a $5,000 fine.  Even gun-friendly states have anti-gun politicians and prosecutors in their larger cities.

 

Congressman Ron Paul introduced legislation to repeal the GFSZA on three separate occasions.  His bills never made it out of committee.  Can you say national reciprocity?  The more things change, the more things stay the same.  Gun control is about control, not guns.

 

Rob- I used to open carry in California.  You had to know where every school was located.

Belle- How is this enforced?

 

Truckin’ through Wisconsin

Truck driver Guy Smith of Wisconsin pulled into a weigh station Kenosha County in June of 2016.  He then found himself charged with carrying a concealed weapon after his revolver was seen in the cab of his truck.  Of course, they confiscated his property.  Mr. Smith does not possess a concealed weapons permit.  

 

Smith’s defense attorney, John Monroe, prepared two theories to defend his client against these allegations.  The first defense is as simple as it gets.  In 2011 Wisconsin passed a law making it legal to have loaded handguns in vehicles.  A revolver is a handgun, isn’t it?

 

To paraphrase, Monroe said the charge never should have been filed because the the law allows handguns in cars to be unencased and loaded.  This seems pretty clear, doesn’t it?  But the prosecutor intended to take this case to trial.  The prosecutor actually stated that the law could not mean what it said because it would invalidate concealed carry law.  The judge in the case corrected him by stating that it would “in cars.”  Again, this seems like common sense stuff.  That is true unless you are a prosecutor with an axe to grind against citizens arming themselves.

 

The second defense theory Monroe devised centered around Castle Doctrine.  Wisconsin, and most other states, allow the use of firearms in their home, business or vehicle.  As Mr. Smith’s truck provides transportation, a livelihood and lodging all three elements of a castle exist.  

 

When prosecutor Thomas Binger learned of the defense Monroe planned to present at trial, he asked for a postponement.  Presumably this was to give the State more time to prepare.

 

On August 28, just before the date of trial, the State dismissed all charges against Mr. Smith.  Monroe pointedly stated they were not informed of this dismissal until the defense had been prepared and they traveled to Kenosha.  As Dean Weingarten of Gun Watch stated, this sounds like a case of punishment by process.  Was there ever an intention of going to trial with this?  Or, was Mr. Smith just being railroaded by a powerful government?

 

After the dismissal, Mr. Smith said, “I’m just a trucker trying to stay alive.  I want my gun back and I don’t want a record, and I’m not paying a fine.  I didn’t do anything wrong.”  Well done, Mr. Smith.  Perhaps we need a remake of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?

http://www.livetrucking.com/case-trucker-found-handgun-dismissed/

http://bulletsfirst.net/2017/08/30/wisconsin-carry-truck-case-dismissed-prosecutor-avoids-precedent/

 

Paul – Just to make sure that all our listeners are aware that there are no federal laws that prohibit carrying in a commercial vehicle. It also reminds me of my own situation

John – Guy Smith still has his legal bills. The prosecutor was trying to drag it out to force Mr. Smith to plead to a lesser charge because of the uncertainty involved.

Gary – ACLDN

Rob- Guilty of contempt of prosecutor.

Belle- If they don’t pay, they should provide enough educational material to help keep you out of trouble.

 

Gun Quotes-  A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate. Thomas Jefferson

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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3- Interview 1

Amanda Suffecool

Eye on the target radio http://www.eyeonthetargetradio.com/

Realize FAC http://www.realizefac.com/

 

The NRA said this was the first fashion show to highlight concealed carry.  Maybe it was the first for them, but you’ve done this before.

Preppers ball

Friends of NRA

You wrote the book on it.

 

What was your idea in putting on a fashion show for concealed carriers?

I like it because it shows we’re normal.

Hi, this is us.  Look at us.  We look like you.

News coverage was great.

It is fashion news.

You’re talking about how to hide guns.

One model was carrying four concealed firearms.

We’re commonplace.

Amanda wrote the book on building your own fashion show.  A DVD is also available so you are not starting from our experience.

Contact Amanda with your lessons learned from your fashion show.

 

Who should consider putting on a fashion show?  NRA meetings, NRA clubs, Women’s shooting leagues for outreach and fundraising.

https://www.facebook.com/WCCfashionshow/

http://www.guns.com/2016/04/12/uscca-concealment-fashion-show/

Uscca

American shooter magazine

A group in NY

We use real people, and plastic guns.

My cousin produces fashion shows, so I learned from her.

The NRA hired me to consult with them.  They got things done.  We didn’t meet the models until a few hours before the show.

Pictures from the show including “Fabio”.

https://www.reuters.com/news/picture/nra-concealed-carry-fashion-show-idUSRTX3DPP2

 

4- Interview 2 Paul Martin

https://www.amazon.com/Pivot-Points-Creating-Preparedness-Resiliency/dp/1515310671

 

Paul, emphasize the little things you solve once you prep.  Sprains.  Cuts. power outage.  Knowing when to not enter the water.

 

Rob- I have flood insurance.

What is the name of your you-tube channel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9TYrmdNpEE

http://www.prepperdepot.org/

 

5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Hurricane Harvey Mischief

As we have seen this week, while thousands were fleeing Hurricane Harvey, the low lifes came out to “play”.  About an hour after the storm made landfall, police in Corpus Christi responded to a call and found a man with a gunshot wound in the head.

It appeared that the man tried to break into the home and the armed homeowner defended himself.  The man was coherent and was transported to the local hospital.

In a second incident near Houston a few hours later, a home invader was shot and killed by the homeowner.  Both incidents were still under investigation.

Rob-  Low light.  You need a flashlight and a cell phone.

Gary-

Tracy: My doors are locked for YOUR protection.

Belle- low light practice is more important than people give it credit for. How often is it dark? About half the time? Why wouldn’t you practice that skill?

John – I like the attitude of the sheriff of Ft. Bend Cty, TX https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/09/03/texas-sheriff-warns-reminds-looters-we-believe-in-the-second-amendment-n2376617

Belle Night sight can be a distraction too. Low light shooting is likely to be close, because of the diminished ability to see anyway. Practice your point shooting or as Marty teaches, your Default Stance and you’ll develop the necessary skill.

 

Evil Roy shares a story

Fans of SASS or Cowboy Action Shooting know Gene Pearcey by his SASS moniker of Evil Roy.  He recently posted this story.

Here’s a self-defense story from a friend. It demonstrates the value of awareness, presence of mind, and making other members of you family familiar and proficient with available firearms. Being a cool head doesn’t hurt either.

My friend stops at convenience store on the way back from the lake. His shorts are wet so he takes his small pistol out of his pocket and puts it the door pocket. He tells his wife the 1911 is in the center console and goes inside. A small car pulls up alongside and a guy gets out. The wind blows his shirt up exposing a weapon. The wife is not sure if it is a knife or gun but she is alerted. My friend comes back to the Suburban and opens the rear doors and reaches for the cooler. He turns around to see the guy standing very close looking very tense, wild eyed and agitated. Bad things are about to happen. Suddenly he gets very still and very slowly lowers his hands to his side and makes some idiot remark about looking for gas. My friend looks over his shoulder and sees his wife aiming a very shiny 1911 through the truck at the guys head with the safety off from the passenger’s seat. Guy very slowly mutters some nonsense and leaves. The wife did not say a word through the entire encounter. Lots to learn from this incident.

Rob- Teamwork is insanely effective.

Belle- Great example of why it’s important to be aware of pre-attack indicators.

 

Wrong ATM

Sierra McFatridge was outside getting her dog when she heard the crack of gunfire and saw a robber falling right in front of her.   She said, “I didn’t know where the shot came from and then he was right there in front of me.”

A 51 year-old man had just visited the local ATM, withdrawn cash and was walking home when the robber hit him in the head.  The robber had a rock.  His intended victim had a gun.

The thug got away but a neighbor saw a woman in the get-away car and gave the license plate number to police.

Police said the victim was transported to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.  Once again the case was still under investigation.

Rob- The victim was walking with his son.

Gary- Grandma was robbed.

 

Man hold suspect at gunpoint until police arrive

In South Carolina, a deputy was serving a warrant for car theft when Christopher Cravets spotted the officer and ran from the scene.  He was wanted on an armed robbery charge. The deputy called for backup and multiple agencies responded.  The manhunt was on.

Charles Belcher had gone to visit his girlfriend in the area and she informed him of the ongoing manhunt.  He retrieved his gun from his truck and went back inside.

He then went outside to check the property.  He spotted Cravets hiding in the back of an Explorer in a carport on the property.  He ordered the man out of the SUV and to lay face down on the ground.  He then held him at gunpoint until the police arrived.

“The only thing I was worried about is if he had a gun and if he was going to try to shoot me,” Belcher added.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Text message #1

 

Greetings all! Nice to have all the new voices on the show. All the best to Rachel in her new endeavor. I am getting a motorcycle and am wondering what others do who are disarmed at work. Thanks in advance. Also, even though I am disarmed at work , the vehicle I drive is 80,000 pounds. How many grains is that you math people!

 

Al the Iron Range trucker

 

560 million grains!

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Email from Dr Sean

 

Ok folks I have tried to stay out of the 1911 “discussion” but….allow me to go back a few episodes.  You had a guest who was trying to decide between a Springfield EMP and the range officer.  I own both and would suggest either or both for anyone.  The EMP is nice for CCW when you have light clothes or need deeper concealment.  The range officer is great to have a full size 1911 on your hip.  Buy both and you can choose each day.  They feel the same in your hand and function exactly the same.  The only difference is the recoil.

 

ok Paul I have to agree with you on wanting a 64 1/2 Mustang (I would love one too) but anytime we compare cars and guns we run into problems.  So if we are going to compare a 64 1/2 mustang and a new car the difference we see is a huge increase in government regulation and safety features as well as digitalization.  So I’m afraid you would have to compare the 1911 to a “smart gun” in that comparison.  I don’t think any of us want a smart gun!!  

I’ll agree with Belle “1911 finest handgun known to man”, but I also like to take my wife’s XD mod2 out for some target shooting too.  She carries hers all the time and loves it.

All in all, carry what you practice with, practice and get training often and above all else POGO!!

Thanks for all you do and see you at GRPC.

Dr. Sean

 

Sean D. Brodale DO

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Barton carries in his truck!

 

Hey crew,

It has been 7 years since I have had interaction with the DOT but today was my lucky day. The Officer approached from the passenger side and asked if we could pull off into the truck stop parking lot a few blocks up. For Paul’s benefit we do 99%of our Excavation work in Barron county WI so we don’t see scales ever. Before he left I informed the officer of my Glock 22 as I openly carry. When we got to the parking lot and he started the inspection he and I had a wonderful chat about firearms as he cited me for a non approved air line splice and let the few other things go with a warning provided they are fixed within 15 days. Be polite with officers and do what they say always but especially when armed. This gentleman was polite as we chatted about guns walking around the truck and trailer looking at the needed repairs. Enjoy your night!

#norecipes

Barton in  Wisconsin

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Jake writes in about safeties on firearms

 

I understand where he is coming from, but I have to disagree with Paul on manual safeties on concealed carry firearms.  I have carried for years with a fullsize with no manual safety and a subcompact with manual safety (depending on the season, what I’m wearing, and the required level of concealment).  If you ever observe me when shooting, you will notice on every gun, even those without when I draw or otherwise prepare to fire, my thumb swipes downwards on the left side of my gun as if disengaging a safety, and ends in a proper shooting grip.  On guns without safeties, it doesn’t cost me anything in terms of time or mental effort, and of course it’s necessary on guns without safeties.

 

I’m beginning to change my mind on the usefulness of safeties and DA/SA guns purely for additional safety when reholstering.  Reholstering is the most dangerous gun handling task we commonly do, and a stray string from a sweatshirt, piece of brass, rock, fold of a t-shirt, or any number of other things could get stuck inside the holster or trigger guard on holstering and cause an accidental discharge.  With a hamer-down DA/SA gun, you can keep your thumb on the rear of the hammer so you feel it begin to move if the trigger is pressed by anything, and with a gun with a safety, you can physically stop the trigger from moving.  If I want to carry with the safety off, I can toggle the safety on, holster, then withdraw just far enough to disengage the safety before reholstering.  Lately, though, I just keep the safety on – I instinctively disengage it on drawing anyway.

 

Just my $0.02.

Jake (Formerly from Iowa)

 

Belle- 1911s are…The Finest Handgun Known to Man? Too much of a broken record?

Tracy- 2011s are..TOO BIG FOR MY HAND.

Rob- Jake, I have the same habit.

John – http://www.guns.com/2015/07/13/the-gadget-for-glocks-a-safer-way-to-re-holster-video/

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Dr Sean writes in again

 

Just wanted to thank Tim Crosnoe for his elaboration of natural point of aim as it is sometimes talked about in pistol shooting.  I had begun to wonder how NPOA could be used in pistol shooting as the shoulders are mostly muscular joints.  This seemed contradictory to the NPOA we learn at Appleseed which takes the muscles out and relies on the sling and bones to get an NPOA.  It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one thinking about NPOA as it is different in pistol shooting vs rifle shooting.  Thanks to Tim

Dr. Sean

Sean D. Brodale DO

 

Rob- We use NPOA in target shooting a lot.

Belle- NPOA in pistol is similar to the default stance

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I completed my series called “Government Fees Discourage Concealed Carry.”  In shall issue states, our concealed carry laws and fees disarmed 8 million of us.  I also asked if “Gun Laws are Really Common Sense..or More of the Same Stupid Stuff?” Do these regulations disarm criminals or disarm honest gun owners?  Do they do more harm than good?

 

That and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money?

 

For those who like a little bit of history with their firearms, I did a post on a lesser known trench gun, the Remington 10, used by the American army in World War One. Only about 3,500 of these bottom ejecting pump shotguns were made. They also came with a 17” bayonet. Moving from the old to the new, Century Arms released a product safety warning regarding their Canik line of 9mm pistols. Owners are warned that repeated dropping of the pistol could damage internal parts. Century will release a severe duty upgrade by Sept 8th.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Amanda Suffecool and Paul Martin for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 419 Karl Rehn, Gail Pepin and Tim Crosnoe

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- Interview Segment 1: Karl Rehn Pt 1 

4- Interview Segment 2: Karl Rehn Pt 2

5- Mantis X review

6- Tim Crosnoe interview

7- DGU Segment:

8- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, August 22nd, 2017 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Karl Rhen about Historic firearms training.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Arizona Supreme Court upholding state pre-emption

Paul: we’ll also talk with Gail Pepin about the Mantis X Training system, so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John: and hang on!

Paul: episode 419 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Carried every day.  Recorded Amanda Suffecool for “Self-Defense Gun Stories.”  What Amanda is doing with concealed carry fashion shows is amazing.

 

John- Thanks to a reminder by Erin Palette of Operation Blazing Sword, I signed up for Massad Ayoob’s MAG-20 class to be held in a suburb of Charlotte (North Carolina). I’ve wanted to take the MAG-40 for a long while but either the time or the distance wasn’t convenient. This gets me halfway there and it’s only a little more than 2 hours away.

 

Paul-

 

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2- News 1

 

Paul – Government tension in Arizona

It is not unusual for state governments to pass preemption laws.  However, many city leaders believe they know best.  They pass measures knowing that their local regulations conflict with state statutes.  

 

The most recent example of this overreach is found in Tucson, Arizona.  A recent, unanimous ruling by the Arizona Supreme Court struck down a 2005 ordinance requiring local police to destroy seized firearms.  The problem is an earlier Arizona statute that prohibits local governments from enacting measures related to firearms or ammunition.  Additionally, Arizona passed another law requiring cities to sell seized or otherwise acquired firearms to licensed dealers.  

 

Tucson argued that its charter status provided significantly more independence.  The Arizona Supreme Court disagreed.  As police power is granted by the state, the city must abide by state mandates.  The court clarified that charter status only applies to only city elections and disposal of real property.

 

The issue was brought to a head by SB 1487.  This law provides that legislators may point out instances of cities ignoring preemption laws to the Attorney General.  If the Attorney General finds this to be the case, he or she may withhold up to half of the city’s state funding.  Tucson argued that this amounted to illegal coercion.  Justice John Pelander, however, stated the intent of SB 1487 is to, “require and incentivise political subdivisions to comply with state law.”  This is a positive step in the right direction.  It gives teeth to preemption laws that cannot be ignored by power hungry local officials.

 

Rob- Tucson destroyed hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of firearms.  That is enough money to buy all the Tucson cops body armor..but the city says they don’t have enough money for that.  They the municipal government does have enough of the taxpayer’s money to fund years of legal challenges claiming they are above the law.

 

John- It is interesting to compare this decision with the recent one that didn’t uphold pre-emption by the Washington State Supreme Ct. In this case the AZ justices read the law and applied it. In Washington State, the majority justices had to virtually invent exceptions to that state’s very strong firearms pre-emption law.

 

Rob- Politicians in a black dress.

 

John- Under Dillon’s Rule, counties and cities are creatures of the state. They only have the power clearly granted to them by the state. This is a long-standing legal principle.

 

Paul –

Rob- The law requires deliberate misconduct.  

 

John – Gun Quotes- A businessman cannot force you to buy his product; if he makes a mistake, he suffers the consequences.. A bureaucrat forces you to obey his decisions, whether you agree with him or not.  If he makes a mistake, you suffer the consequences; if he fails, he passes the loss on to you.  Ayn Rand

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with Karl Rhen.

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3- Interview 1- Karl Rhen Pt 1

 

4- Interview 2 – Karl Rhen Pt 2

 

5- Mantis X

 

Rob- 6- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Rob- Judge returns fire

It was just another Monday morning when Judge Joseph Bruzzese, Jr. parked his car in his reserved spot next to the Jefferson County courthouse in Steubenville, OH yesterday. Within a couple of minutes things would change.

As Judge Bruzzese walked toward the stairs leading up to the courthouse shortly before 8 AM, he was “ambushed” by Nathaniel Richmond.  According to Sheriff Abdalla, video footage showed a vehicle with 2 occupants at 7:12 AM which then left and returned at 7:30.

Richmond approached the judge and shot him at near-point blank range in the chest then took off running toward the vehicle.  Judge Bruzzese was armed and both he and a probation officer returned fire.  Video showed the judge taking 5 shots at Richmond.  Richmond was shot and killed by one of the two.

The sheriff said had the probation officer not been there, “this “gentleman” would have kept on shooting until he killed the judge.”

Although Richmond had never appeared in Judge Bruzzese court, he has had been involved in a number of cases in the last several years.  He had filed a lawsuit in the judge’s court in April, alleging wrongful death in the death of his mother in a house fire in 2015.  The hearing was scheduled for the end of August.

Richmond was the father of Ma’lik Richmond who served 10 months in juvenile detention after a conviction, along with another high school football player, for the rape of a 16 year-old girl in 2012.  Richmond was a star on the football team and the case got international attention amid allegations of a cover-up to protect the football team.  Ma’lik had no contact with the judge in his case.

Judge Bruzzese was alert and talking after the shooting and was airlifted to the hospital in nearby Pittsburgh and is expected to survive.  Judge Bruzzese has served on the court since 1997 and had been elected to the most recent 6 year term in 2014.  He had started carrying a gun years ago because there’s “nutcases out there who want retaliation.”

Paul- I can’t talk about Ohio, but many states treat judges as above the law.  They can get permits in states where the rest of us would have to go unarmed.  I looked at the 25 most dangerous occupations, and “Judge” didn’t make the list.

 

John – NC treats judges and DAs as above the law in terms where you can carry. Beyond that, I see this as a case showing how it is important to stay in the fight even if you wounded. It could save your life.

 

Rob- Some Ohio judges granted themselves authority to carry in their courtroom and everywhere else in public WITHOUT having to obtain an Ohio carry permit.  It must be nice to be king..or at least a judge.

 

Paul – 3 shots connected with at least 6 fired. More training please

 

John – Self-defense against crossdressers

In Lithonia, Georgia recently, a man dressed as a woman broke into a local home just after 2 AM.  The homeowner confronted the subject and gave him a verbal warning.  The burglar continued to approach him and he fired one shot.  He did the right thing in the opinion of neighbors because he has a wife, daughters and mother in the home.  The burglar died at the scene.  The homeowner is not being charged as the police have determined this was a self-defense shooting.

Paul – Do you think alcohol or drugs might have been involved here?

Paul – Might have been better if you POGO

A Kansas City MO man and woman had just returned home at 5 AM from a visit to WalMart after working the night shift.  They had put the groceries in the apartment and he was walking her to her car when a man dressed all in black came around the corner.  He was demanding them to give me things and threatening him with a gun.  The male victim emptied his pockets.

He then started moving them into the apartment.  At this point the male victim decided to grab his gun which was just inside his door and fight back.

“I walked out, he was still holding the gun and I thought he was going to shoot me that minute, and I just took a couple shots and he ran off,” the victim told police. Unsure if he had hit the man, he and his girlfriend retreated into his apartment and called 911.

Responding police found the man dead.

Rob- I have to call this man foolish.  He didn’t have a gun with him.  Once he faced a lethal threat, he did not make the decision to use lethal force, but waited until he had his gun pointed at the criminal to decide to shoot.  That is an important distinction.  You can choose to NOT SHOOT at any time, but I want you to make the choice to save your life when you see an immediate and unavoidable lethal threat.

John – Bob Mayne, Ben Branam, and Paul Carlson had a great discussion on visualization in a recent Handgun World Podcast.

Paul-

Rob- Training with realistic targets can help you shoot when you need to.

Cellular 911 Call

A Verizon Wireless store employee practiced POGO and it probably saved his life.  2 men attempted to rob the cellular store in the late morning recently.  While being held at gun point, the clerk pulled his firearm from his waist band and fired several shots at the thug brandishing his gun at him.

The wounded suspect was “awake and breathing” and the clerk had “both guns in his hands” as 911 audio revealed.

The clerk does have his government issued permission slip to carry his gun concealed.

The suspect had fired his gun but it was not determined who shot first.

The suspect was transported to a local hospital gunshot wounds.  He and his comrade had been in the store several times recently.  The other robber fled the scene in a light blue van.

John – I wonder if he will keep his job.

 

Paul – I don’t know if it’s a great idea to handle the gun, but you have to make it safe.

 

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Voice mail

 

Email #1, this one from Phil

 

I enjoy your podcast and… really wish you’d give more information about each episode in the written introduction. I don’t know who the guests are, so please describe what they talk about, so I can decide if that episode is what I want to hear. (“We need/want more listener feedback” is too often the only thing you post.)

 

Thanks for hearing me!

 

Email #2

 

I just listened to your podcast of a week ago and I heard Paul mention Dirty Harry’s 16 shot revolver.  If I may…a correction.  The Dirty Harry movies are better than most when it comes to the realistic portrayal of guns.  You see, I have this annoying habit of counting shots in the movies, especially when it comes to revolvers.  If they go overboard I’ve know to express my displeasure, especially to my wife. That’s when she usually gives me a look and I shut up.  Anyway, Harry usually shoots 4 or 5 times before the end of that “scene”.  Never more than 6 that I can recall.  Exception… in the second movie (Magnum Force) during the police shooting competition, Harry shoots 6, then is clearly seen using his speed loader, then 6 more before he yells “out”.  Anyway, the point to this silly email is to point out that the Dirty Harry movies are the rare example of Hollywood getting it “pretty close” to right.
Regards,
Tony

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob-  I looked at the costs to get your concealed carry permit in “shall issue” states.  We paid over 4 billion dollars and spent over 65 million hours in classes to get our permits.  As you should imagine, that much time and money talks, and the state mandates disarmed 11 million of us.  We would at least double the number of people legally carrying if constitutional carry were the law of the land.  That and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

Our listeners may remember Cody Wilson. Among other things, he developed the Liberator pistol which can be made using a 3-D printer. We interviewed him at the 2016 GRPC. Cody now has a company selling 80% AR lowers and mini-CNC machines that allows you to complete that lower. This past week his Internet provider, Cloudfare, cancelled his GhostGunner.net account. While Cloudfare preaches “free speech”, they closed his website over content. This is the same thing that they did to the white supremacist site Daily Stormer. It leads to the question as to whether social media companies are deciding to purge or restrict libertarian or conservative oriented websites because of their “values”.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Karl Rhen and Gail Pepin for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 418 – Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Maddad Ayoob and Gail Pepin Part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin Part 2

5- Interview Segment 3 Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin Part 3

6- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, August 14th, 2017  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin interacting with the police.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a truck driver murdered while working his dream job.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and we have a defensive gun use where a man left the hospital and came home to find an intruder in his home.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about the best kind…no shots fired… so climb aboard.

Amy: strap in

Belle : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 418 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I posted another episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  The last podcast was with Ben Branam.  The next one is with Amanda Suffecool.

 

I’ve been studying the rates of concealed carry in shall-issue states.  I started with John Lott’s data and kept digging.  Now I have to write up the research.

 

Belle – been taking my first time off of the year for some family time. Getting Firearms Academy of Seattle ready for Gunsite 150 Pistol course this weekend and getting myself ready for GSSF in Port Townsend, WA. – all this coming weekend.

 

John – I’ve had a quiet week. I did go “junking” with Barb on Saturday and picked up some cheap pewter. I plan to use it as part of my lead alloy for casting bullets. Pewter is mostly tin and antimony so a little bit hardens up the cast bullets. Rob’s digging reminded me of a plea I need to make. If any one of our listeners is good at social network analysis, please get in touch with me at john@politicsandguns.com. It is a social science tool showing interconnections. Among the things I want to study are large law firms and gun control groups.

https://www.google.com/search?q=who+is+funding+anti-gun+law+firms%3F&rlz=1C1VFKB_enUS618US623&oq=who+is+funding+anti-gun+law+firms%3F&aqs=chrome..69i57.13920j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-

 

Tracy – I was a student in Karl Rehn’s beta class of Historical Handgun this past Saturday at his private training facility. I don’t want to disclose too much since we will be interviewing Karl about this class. Suffice to say, my ego was brought back down to earth. It was a humbling experience!

 

Gary-  

 

Amy- Spent the weekend in Charleston, SC with a friend I served with in the military that I had not seen in a few years so it was a fun time! Getting ready to leave this weekend to teach a Ladies Defensive Handgun Class at On Target Gun Club in Atlanta, GA.

 

Paul/Susan MAG 40

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here

 

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2- News 1

 

Tracy – Truck Driver Robbed

Keith Odom, 49, lost his life while living his childhood dream job.  Odom’s parents, in Jonesborough, Tennessee, understand that accidents and crashes come with the business. However, the Vietnam veteran never thought his son would die in a robbery. Sgt. Don Coppola, a Baton Rouge police spokesman, said investigators believe Odom was shot after he turned over his possessions to the robber. The unknown suspect in a black hoodie and carrying a backpack was seen pacing the parking lot. After the shooting, he ran across the parking lot toward the Citi Trends store. The police have detained some people for questioning, but the investigation continues.

 

Paul – National Reciprocity (or the lack of is losing us lives.)

 

Rob-

https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials

John – HR 38 has 208 cosponsors! 205 Republicans and 3 Democrats. It is 10 less than the number needed to pass the bill.

Gary –

 

Please mention (202) 224-3121 Congressional switchboard

Amy – Very important to call your congressmen and women! Every call from a constituent is recorded!

 

John –New York Deputies Knock on Vietnam Vet’s Door, Confiscate Guns

A 70-year-old Vietnam veteran said he was watching television in his Taberg, New York, home when deputies knocked on his door, then entered and confiscated his firearms.

The veteran, Don Hall, was told by the deputies that he had a record of mental issues. They took his handguns, then asked if he had any long guns. They took those also.

Hall hired an attorney, who advised Hall that he would have to prove that he was not the Don Hall with mental issues. Hall and his attorney blame the gun controls contained in the 2013 SAFE Act, which was passed in the wake of the heinous attack on Sandy Hook Elementary School. One of the controls in the Act was a new reporting requirement for “health providers.”

 

Amy – I know that this is a major concern in the veteran community. A lot of combat veterans especially being diagnosed with PTSD are scared of how this may affect their Second Amendment rights and sometimes won’t seek treatment because they don’t want it being reported!

John –

Rob-  I read a follow up report.  He asked to see his records in the local hospital.  They records technician was quite upset when he asked if his records showed any mental health treatments.  He was falsely reported.

 

Belle – Gun Quotes

Surround yourself with people who move towards the sound of gunfire.  Unknown

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin.

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3- Interview

Tracy – I’d like to welcome Karl Rehn to the Polite Society Podcast. Karl is the man that I call “boss.” He is my friend and mentor. He is a grand master shooter in USPSA and has trained with the best in the business. So, Karl, what was the driving force behind your creation of Historical Handgun?

 

Karl Rehn –

 

Rob- Was the modern technique and the contemporary hunched-isosceles really progress?  Progress, or adaption to changing hardware.

 

Amy – This sounds like such an interesting class! The analysis of shooting techniques, stances, and the approach of teaching is something the military studies as well. In the Marine Corps, the combat marksmanship training program changed during the war and policies we were teaching at the recruit depot when I was there directly changed because of these studies. The military is currently involved with civilian shooting sports as well which also affect current training!

 

Belle –   Hey Karl- Marty Hayes says “hi”  Thats funny you mention the distance shooting being hard to come by, we just had a stage in our local IDPA Match (not technically legal, of course) that was prone- 50 yrds And our Active Shooter course here is focused on distances up to 50yds. You have to really search to find facilities that can offer you that training or practice- cool that you’re providing that also! When are you holding the next one?

 

Rob- What does the firearms community have to do so more people take training?

Walmart class- traveling trainers need a two day course.

 

Half-day courses?

Evening courses?

Stepping stones of advancement.

Make training cheap and easy..and cost $50 to $80.

 

Amy –  I agree with you, Karl. I have found more success as a trainer offering shorter, more frequent classes with lower round counts. I think the beginner shooter gets fatigued faster than someone who is more advanced. Would you agree with that as well?

 

Paul – is there anything you have found that overcomes the “ My uncle Bubba taught me everything I need to know about shooting?

 

4- Interview 2

 

Tracy 5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always, the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

 

Amy – No Shots Fired

Trevor Debord had some small things disappear from his home recently and was having the locks changed on his home on Monday.  He had just left the hospital and had a bad feeling and decided to swing by his home.

When he got home, he heard some noise upstairs.  He grabbed his gun and climbed the stairs to confront the intruder.

He found a teenage boy hiding in one of the bedrooms.  The boy obeyed every command that Debord gave him.

Local police arrived shortly after Debord and took the boy into custody.  It appeared that the boy entered the home through a window.

 

“Seeing somebody just kind of standing there nervous you feel bad but then again it’s your home. You need to protect it with all you can,” Debord said.

 

Rob- Let’s separate luck from best practice.

One unarmed homeowner walked into his home.  He had to move across his home to become armed.  What if he’d met several armed intruders?  He would have started a fight he couldn’t win.  Don’t be that guy.

 

Gary – Ex-boyfriend lucky to be alive

It has been said that a protection order will not protect you.  Joshua Cuthbertson had an order against him and he knew it.  He also ignored it recently.

He recently went to his ex-girlfriends with a container of gasoline and a baseball bat.  When the dogs started barking, the man also living at the home came outside.  He smelled gasoline and found Cuthbertson hiding behind his vehicle.  Cuthbertson then attacked him with the bat, hitting him several times in the head.

The man then shot Cuthbertson in self-defense and then administered medical aid until the police and ambulance arrived.

Cuthbertson was treated for multiple gunshot wounds and charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill and violating a protection order.

 

John – While it may sound callous but let the EMTs deal with it.

Belle -You mentioned you may be sorry you shot someone. Don’t be sorry you survived!

Rob- Try to train with the people you live with.  It will make you 10 times harder to beat with a baseball bat.

Amy – Yes! Train for different scenarios.

Rob- Military has plans.

Belle- My kids and I play the ‘what-if” game all the time. It’s not to scare, just prepare – (and yes, I use the rhyme to make it simpler and sweeter for the little ones) We also rely heavily on our dogs- I cant imagine not having them as part of my security plan.

 

Tracy – Another Psychological Stop

On a recent Sunday afternoon, Bobby Watson tried robbing a woman in a Publix parking lot.  She fought back and Watson stabbed her and ran.

Christopher McMann witnessed the attack and approached Watson.  Watson then stabbed McMann.

Another Good Samaritan, Travis Jones, then chased and tackled Watson only to be stabbed in the abdomen.  Donald Rush saw what was happening and grabbed his gun from his car and ran at Watson.  He was able to disarm him and held him at gunpoint until deputies arrived.

The sight of the brandished firearm was enough to stop the attack.

Rob- Right here we see the statistics of an armed citizenry.  An attacker armed with knife stabbed a number of people..until he met a victim armed with a gun.

 

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

John – From Facebook

 

Is there something to this? I’ve seen too many organizations reach their goals and claw for any excuse to justify continued existence.

I’ve had some nagging thought about the NRA and its leadership lately. It started when they waited till the last second to disinvite USCCA from the Member’s Meeting. Then that week they revealed Carry Guard. No doubt a worthwhile service the the USCCA has set the gold standard for legal insurance and training for many years now. The Carry Guard program began on a bad foot banning revolvers and 1911s from their classes.

 

They are setting up their own schools and events which will severely cut into the trade of smaller schools and otherwise well known trainers who are doing yeoman’s work in areas not usually well served by traditional shooting schools. I am 100% all for taking as much training from qualified instructors as is realistic for the individual to undertake. I am adamant about that.

Now look at the changing landscape. IF we get Reciprocity passed in the face of the opposition and the know it alls on our side NRA has a problem. That slays one of the boogiemen they’ve traded on for decades. They seem to fear having to go back to running matches, youth events and museums. They have gotten a definite taste for the power that comes from being able to elect and un-elect politicians. They need a new cash cow. As we know as more people get into the 2A lifestyle training even when not mandates always skyrockets no matter what Whoopie Goldberg says on the View.

 

My concern here is the damage to the the hard working instructors with small operations who take great pride in instilling high levels of competence and safety in their students. THEY won’t have a national program to steer them clients. This does not bode well. Some have said that a 2A revisement amendment that established nation constitutional carry and removed Class III restrictions and recognized SYG, parking lot provisions and established Castle Doctrine with teeth would be a nightmare for the NRA with no more dragons to slay.

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Paul – I am not going to say that USCCA is the gold standard because quite simply they aren’t. In protection of members in my opinion ACLDN is at the head of the pack.

Belle-Thank you, Paul! Marty did lay the foundation and didn’t ask for any of the glory. Check out last month’s ACLDN eJournal to see what Marty had to say to the NRA and how they responded.

 

Rob- There are not enough instructors if even a few percent of gun owners take training.  The NRA stumbled when they tried to roll out their online learning program.  They lost a lot of their instructors when they did that, or at least their instructors developed credentials with other training organizations.

Belle- But don’t we want that training to be high quality for armed citizens, not tacticool types.

 

Gary-

 

Rob- Text message #1

Morning crew,

I was wondering which do you all prefer, hammer fired or striker fired and why?

Thanks for the content in every show.

Jp

 

Gary

Belle- 1911. Finest Handgun Known To Man! – Says the girl who carries a Glock19 as we speak. Can’t you like both?

Paul -Striker

Tracy – 1911. I’m pretty good with a 1911. I learned on a 1911. I carry a 43, cuz my 1911s are heavy.

Rob- Yes, JP, your gun needs one or the other.  I don’t care which it has. The striker guns are simpler for new shooters to master.

Amy – I agree with Belle! I like both for different reasons, but prefer striker fired. I just shoot my Glock the most! I did learn with a Beretta M9 first though. And I do love my 1911s! I like all guns! Like Tracy and Rob were talking about, train to be proficient with EACH gun you own!

John – All I’m going to say is that I prefer a hammer on my revolvers so I have the option of SA or DA.

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Belle – Text message #2 (clayton)

 

I agree with Tracy. I find it weird that cops perform chest compressions on people with bullet holes. Wouldn’t that increase blood loss?

 

Paul

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Amy – Text message #3 from George Zimmerman

 

I have been listening to your podcast and noticed that you’ve been asking for listener feedback. You are all doing a great job and I truly appreciate the manner you all “spread the word” the right way! Thank you all!

 

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Tracy – Email from Clayton

 

AR versus AK is a no brainer to me in today’s market. AR’s are flooding the market and basically half the price of a glock, I pay 29 cents a round, everyone and their grandmother makes accessories, and magazines are common. Besides, “what’s his face”  blocked imports on 7.62 and 5.45 by 39 so those prices suck now.

*Bleep* yeah, Tracy! Just use an American rifle!
-still Clayton

 

Tracy – Good to hear from you again, Clayton! Keep the feedback coming, Thanks for being a dedicated listener of our podcast!

 

Paul – I am looking for the

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I admire a lot of people in the self-defense movement.  Have you noticed what socialists and big government gun-grabbers say about these advocates?  In some cases, these advocates are my personal friends..like the people on this podcast.  My article is titled “Why the Political Left Hates Women and Blacks who Own Guns”   By the time this episode airs, I should also have my article done about licensing fees and the price of self-defense.  You can find those stories at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I received a solicitation for money from State Senator Phil Berger of NC. He is the President Pro Tem of the NC Senate. He is one of the leaders responsible for our constitutional carry bill not coming to the floor for a vote. I suggested in a blog post that the proper response to a GOP politician asking for money is NO. The only way they should get a yes and money is if they start actually passing gun rights legislation. This includes at the national level where we still haven’t gotten action on national reciprocity or the Hearing Protection Act. The Republicans have counted on gun owners to win them elections. We need to tell them to put up or shut up.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Rob- did you answer Berger’s solicitation?  You’ve got him by his wallet.

 

Amy have you written anything you want to talk about?

https://www.gunware.net/blog/

https://www.ccwstyle.com/

I’ll start posting the specific new articles I write each podcast!

 

Anyone else want to bring something up?

(Post a link, Amy)

 

www.Patreon.com/politesocietypodcast

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Massad Ayoob and Gail Pepin for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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