Episode 314 – Virginia Legislature Fights Back

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday February 25th 2015, I’m Rob Morse.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone.  I’ll bring you the news segment and tell you about the Virginia legislature protecting concealed carry holders who travel through Maryland.

John: I’m John Richardson, and I’ll bring you a story of defensive gun use where a homeowner found an escaped inmate in his yard.

Rachel: We finally have some good news out of Washington DC.  At last, Emily Miller got her gun permit, so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on! Because episode 314 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John- Intro

John – I’m back home after the birth of my granddaughter Olivia Grace. My wife Barb is still down helping Laura in her first week as a new mom. Olivia is healthy, eating, and has started to gain a little weight back. Her picture is in our show notes!

 

In terms of gun related news, we just had a drive-by shooting here in Asheville. It was in Biltmore Village which is just outside the entrance to the Biltmore House. This is a high tourist area with pricey clothing stores and nice restaurants. Supposedly, the shooter and one of the two victims had an altercation prior to the shooting. My point in reporting this is to show that we need to be aware all the time and prepared to defend ourselves. Bad things can happen anywhere!

 

-Rob nothing in my gun world.  How about you, Rachel?

 

-Rachel- busy teaching, running more music gigs, and having a bunch of cancellations due to cold, icy weather here in Texas. Getting ready for a speaking event at a TEA party club tomorrow and a spur-of-the-moment CHL class out of town Saturday.

 

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Seg 2- News

 

Rachel -Here is a way to stop anti-rights bigotry, and the solution came from the Virginia legislature.  They passed Senate Bill 948 which would stop Maryland law enforcement from accessing firearms registration lists in Virginia.  Maryland does not recognize concealed handgun permits issued by Virginia.  The bill was proposed after Virginia gun owners were profiled and pulled off the road in Maryland while Maryland police went on a fishing expedition for firearms violations.  Republican Delegate Robert Marshall from Virginia said quote ““It’s the policy of entrapment that has been used based on the concealed carry exchange information that has precipitated this”  close quote.  Delegate Marshall suggested that Maryland police officers would be safer if they cooperated with Virginia and recognized Virginia license holders.  I’m sorry to report that Virginia democrats voted against the bill.  Now Virginia gun owners are waiting for Governor Terry McAuliffe to sign the bill into law.

 

2- Many politicians do what their campaign contributors tell them to do.  So far so good, but both donors and politicians break their word.  We have news that staffers from the Brady Campaign were making funding promises to Pennsylvania politicians.. promises the staffers never intended to keep.  A few years ago when Pennsylvania municipalities were regularly passing gun control ordinances, several cities only went through with the measures that violated state preemption laws because Bloomberg’’s employees promised to pay for the legal defense costs for the cities when they were sued.  Those lawsuits are here, and the Brady Campaign is telling the media that they never made such promises by claiming that the person who made the promises wasn’t really speaking for them… well not officially.

 

Then the local Fox affiliate dug up city records from Lancaster and Erie Pennsylvania that staff members from Mayors against illegal guns had made those exact promises.  There was also a case in Radnor, Pennsylvania where local politicians demanded the promise in writing, and the staffers backed down.

 

In Lancaster, the pledge came from Max Nacheman who represented MAIG and Brady at the time and would later represent CeasefirePA.  In Radnor, it appears that City Commissioner Elaine Schaefer called the Brady Campaign herself and got the pledge that the group would defend the town.  Now this all appears to be an “unfortunate miscommunication”.

 

3- Here is some good news for advocates of armed self-defense and bad news for anti-rights bigots.  It wasn’t so long ago that Wisconsin enacted their concealed carry law.  Since 2011, Wisconsin now has over a half million man-years of experience with licensed concealed carriers.  Only one permit holder has been convicted of an unjustified homicide in all that time.  That calculates to an annual homicide rate of .2 per 100,000 for concealed carriers.   Yes, the homicide rate for Wisconsin permit holders for the first three years is below that of Japan, which was listed between .57 and .4 over a 14 year period.  It is hard to compare international statistics because the United States is stricter than other countries in the way we define and report on homicide.

 

Comment, the average rate for homicide is 23 times higher than the rate for concealed carry holders in Wisconsin.

Comment-  that is good news, and we want you armed with the facts.

 

4-Here is a follow up report on the case of Gordon Van Gilder.  Van Gilder was arrested for having an incomplete and unloaded antique smooth-bore flintlock pistol in the drivers compartment of a vehicle.  Van Gilder had just purchased the incomplete pistol from a pawn shop.  The 72 year old Van Gilder suffers from arthritis.  He uses a 21 year old man to drive him to the shop.  Police searched the car where Van Gilder was a passenger after a traffic stop.  Now the police claim the 21 year old driver’s car contained drug paraphernalia.  Van Gilder’s lawyer, Evan Nappen, said the police were trying to smear Van Gilder’s reputation so the police could justify their ridiculous firearms charges.

 

(UPDATE: This afternoon, Cumberland County Prosecutor Jennifer Webb-McRae said she would use her prosecutorial discretion to drop the case.

 

“My client and I are very pleased that the prosecutor exercised her discretion wisely and we commend her for doing so,” attorney Evan Nappen said. “We’re glad that the matter has been resolved.”

 

Van Gilder’s arrest led several state lawmakers to publicly propose changes to New Jersey’s firearms laws.  Assemblywoman Caroline Casagrande said she will introduce a bill to align New Jersey firearms law with the federal statutes that exempts firearms manufactured before 1898.

 

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Rob 5- Here is more news about New Jersey.  The Second Amendment Foundation announced their financial support challenging New Jersey concealed carry laws.  Albert Almeida lives in Andover.  He operates a property management business that involves rent collections in high crime areas. He has been threatened numerous times, yet the Andover Township police chief turned down his permit application.  When he took the issue to court, the court denied his application on the grounds that Almeida “failed to demonstrate a substantial threat.”  He is represented by New Jersey attorney Evan Nappen and the case is on appeal in the state Superior Court.

 

Comment-  What does it take?  Do you need to wear a body camera so you can show video to the judge?

 

6-The citizens of Washington DC face a similar problem.  We can add another reporter to the list of citizens who had their carry permit rejected by the Washington DC police department.  Stephen Gutowski writes for the Free Beacon.  He applied for his DC permit and cited the documented threats he has received online.  It appears the magic formula is to have a police case opened for each threat.  No case implies no record.  No record implies no real threat.  It still took the DC police the full 90 days to reject Gutowki’s application.  Given the trickle of applications, that works out to the DC police department processing a single application every 1 and ⅓ days.

 

Comment- I hope the DC police don’t wear themselves out with that blistering response.

Comment- you think the judge will accept that performance?

Comment- yes, I do.  Some judges think that is doing too much to support the right of self-defense.

John- Emily Miller received the 15th carry permit allowed in DC.  The police explained their decision was based on the two different threats against Miss Miller which were documented with police reports.

 

John – I’m sure the fact that she would have gotten another book out of a denial had nothing to do with it.

 

7- The islamic terrorist group Al Shabaab issued a threat against the mall of the americas in Minneapolis-Saint Paul.  Wouldn’t you know it, but the mall is a posted gun-free zone.  Of course there are no scanners and no security personnel enforcing the gun-free zone.  Nope, they have a plastic sign that reads-

 

 

The sign won’t stop terrorists.  I doubt it stops many concealed carriers either.

 

What they really need is a no suicide bomber sign.

 

comment- What are they thinking. Imagine the huge lawsuits if the mall is attacked while citizens were disarmed.

 

8-Rabbis gathered in Prague Tuesday for training in self-defense and first aid.  The training is a response to the wave of attacks against Jews and a rise of anti-Semitism across Europe.  The training began with dozens of knives being distributed to the rabbis.  They were then taught to thwart an attack and how to treat injuries.  Their response was as serious as the subject.  The president of the united states called it a random attack when jews were murdered at a satire magazine, at a kosher grocery, and in front of a synagogue earlier this month.  Spokesmen for the rabbinical conference cited inaction from European governments for their motivation to seek training.  Other self-defense classes are scheduled in other countries.  Quote “We’ve urged the European countries to do something and we did not get a real response from them.  Jewish institutions in Europe should be protected by police 24 hours a day.  If police officers are not able to provide protection, guards appointed by Jewish organizations to protect Jewish sites should be allowed to be armed.”

 

Why are these religious leaders refusing to wait for government protection?  They have seen the deadly results of subcontracting your security to the state.  The Czech republic instituted strict gun control after a murder a few years ago.  Disarming the honest citizens had the usual effect.  A mentally ill 60 year old man murdered nine innocent citizens in a small town restaurant this week.  The message is obvious to anyone who will learn it.

 

Let’s invite Matt and Doris back on the show.

 

9-Professor John Lott wrote the book about guns and crime.  In an interview this week, Doctor Lott said terrorists have huge advantages since they determine the time and the place where they will act.  Israel is a prime example.  Quote “If you’re in Israel and … have two officers on a bus with you and a terrorist is there, the terrorist has certain options. He either can wait until the officers leave the bus and then engage in his attack, or he can kill them first.  Israel tried for decades to try to put more police, more military on the streets, but they realized that no matter how much money they spent, if the terrorists were simply willing to be patient long enough, there would be some opening when civilians were unguarded.” Close quote.

 

The Jewish state finally allowed civilians to carry handguns for protection, which removed the strategic advantage terrorists had.  Once the citizens were armed, then even if the police left the bus, the terrorist still didn’t know whether somebody in front or behind or to the side might be able to stop him.

 

Quote “Unfortunately, look at Europe right now; they still haven’t learned this lesson. They won’t let Jewish citizens carry guns for protection. They tried putting soldiers in front of Jewish facilities but the problem is soldiers can’t be on their toes every single minute, day after day, week after week, month after month.  The soldiers are sitting ducks.. They’re out in front of the buildings in uniform and the terrorists know that they’re there.  Europe faces the same limits that Israel faced years ago.”  Close quote.

 

Comment-  If the soldiers are out front, then who is protecting the back.. and the sides, and inside the buildings?  It is rigid thinking to think they will put a cop with every citizen.

Comment- how east-german.

 

10-A Democrat politician from Chicago proposed a ban on 3d printing of guns.  That makes sense because the last two prohibitions in Chicago worked so well.  I want to apologize to our democrat listeners. We are not beating you up.  We know you are not responsible for everything a democrat politicians does, but would you please make a call and give this guy a clue.

 

Illinois Senator Ira Silverstein wants to prohibit using a three-dimensional printer to create a firearm, or any piece or part of a firearm, unless the person possesses a license to manufacture firearms under the federal Gun Control Act of 1968.

 

Comment- The obvious application for a three D printer is custom molded grips for pistols.

Would ban slow down the drug gangs in Chicago for a minute?

 

We’ll be back after this with some good news from Arizona.

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John 11- Here is some good news from Arizona.  The fraction of adult head of households who want stricter gun control laws fell by fifteen percent in the last two years.   The new poll found only 33 percent who want stricter laws on the sale of firearms, while 48 percent think the current level of control is adequate.  Interest in gun laws dropped among all political and age groups, particularly among whites. Support for gun laws also declined among residents of the state’s two largest counties but actually rose slightly among rural residents.

 

12-Speaking of Arizona.. Our frequent guest Jeff Knox has issued his recommendations for the NRA board of directors.  They include Timothy Knight, Sean Maloney, Virginia McLemore, Maria Heil, Robert Viden, Joseph DeBergalis, and Scott Bach.

Jeff urges voters to cast ballots marked for only these seven candidates since the fewer candidates you vote for, the more weight your vote carries. For those who want to cast a true “bullet vote,” he recommends marking the ballot only for Tim Knight.

 

Comment-  Let me write that list down.

Comment-  the list is in our show notes.

Comment-  Oh.. right.

John – I’ll be putting up a list of the recommendations and endorsements on my blog. Tim Knight is a true grassroots activist and helped get the recall effort in Colorado started. Our friend Laura Carno has endorsed him.

 

13- Law Professor Eugene Volokh had an interesting comment on open carry published in the Washington Post.  States may regulate concealed or open carry, but must allow one or the other to the average citizen.

Suppose the state requires concealed carry.  The state can not ban someone from then wearing a shirt that says quote “I’m legally carrying a concealed handgun”.  Take this sort of  “announced carry” a step further. Say that some gun rights enthusiasts start wearing transparent plastic over their transparent outside the waistband holsters.  Holsters that hold a real gun.  This tests the limits of concealed, since an individual could be assumed to carry once the meaning of a transparent patch on the strong side hip became generally known.

The symbol, either a t-shirt with a gun graphic, with a transparent patch, or some other recognizable symbol would convey to the public much the same that open carry conveys.  Those symbols by concealed carriers say I have a gun on me, though I’m claiming that I’m carrying it completely lawfully and concealed.

 

Comment- I was wondering about making fabric covered holsters and gun stocks so your open carry rig is effectively invisible.

Rachel comment- this reminds me of my friend’s Glock Sock.

 

14-Here is another article defending the gun-culture.. in Britain.  Yes, the Adam Smith Institute in London reposted some research that says guns stop violence.  The article is called “make Britain Safer: Bring back handguns”.    The research data goes back 8 hundred years.  Quote-  the sudden historical drops in crime are consistent with the invention and proliferation of compact, concealable, ready-to-use firearms which caused potential assailants to recalculate the probability of a successful assault and seek alternatives to violence.” Close quote.

 

Here is some more English history.  The government in England placed increasingly stringent controls on guns starting in 1920.  These controls reduced both the actual and the effective supply of firearms. The homicide rate in England in 1920 was 0.84 and has grown 70 percent since then.  The assault rate was 2.39 and has grown over a hundred fold.

 

comment- Well said.

 

15- The good ol’ boy network isn’t dead in Florida. No charges will be filed against a Hillsborough County [FL] sheriff’s detention deputy, a local firefighter or several of their friends who were taking target practice when a Lithia woman’s home was damaged by bullets [sic]. Among the firearms being shot was an AK 47 [sic], according to authorities. No one was injured in the Jan. 24 incident, but damage to Dawn Bryan’s Porter Road home amounted to $6,000, she said, and included holes in the walls, trim, a pool cage and a shot-out window above a crib in a child’s room. The State Attorney’s Office said no one is being charged because investigators can’t determine who shot the bullets that damaged Bryan’s home. Bryan says investigators didn’t try very hard and that law enforcement is protecting its own. When deputies arrived, only two of the people taking target practice in the neighbor’s yard stayed around, she said. She also said no one from the State Attorney’s Office contacted her during the investigation…

http://tbo.com/news/breaking-news/no-charges-filed-after-target-practice-leaves-bullets-in-womans-home-20150224/

 

 

Gun Quotes

Rachel- There are hundreds of millions of gun owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of guns comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period. Ted Nugent

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel -GUARD DOG AT NIGHT There is a lot of empty space in Northern Idaho.  Neighbors are few and far between.  So when your dog barks, you pay attention. Brian Becker followed his dog into the yard and turned on his flashlight.  Becker found a stranger trying to hide in a tree.  Becker called the stranger down and told him to stand still with his hands up.  Instead, the stranger moved toward him.  Becker was familiar with weapons from his time in the marine corps.  Becker drew his pistol and shot the stranger.   The stranger fell to the ground with a wounded leg.  Then Becker called police.  The police arrested Roy Bieluch (Bi Lu-ch).  Bieluch escaped from the county jail earlier in the day.  Bieluch was in jail for distributing methamphetamine, robbery and theft.

 

-INTRUDER SHOT IN BASEMENT A man was asleep at home when heard glass break in the basement.  Two intruders climbed in through a back window and entered the rural home in Catawba County, North Carolina.  The homeowner called 911.  He left his bedroom when he heard another door being kicked in.  Fortunately the homeowner was armed.  The homeowner shot one intruder in the chest when the intruder didn’t leave.  The intruder died on the way to the hospital.  The second intruder ran from the home and is being sought for murder.

 

-Proactive Pawn Shop with NSF- Police departments in East Central Florida area knew they had a robbery crew working the area.  The police put out e-mail alerts to local stores where the thieves might sell the jewelry and firearms they’d stolen.  The owner of Beach Pawn Shop in Cape Canaveral recognized the customer from the police description.  The store owner walked behind the customer, drew his firearm and ordered him to the ground.  The store owner said this Quote “I had to make the assumption he was armed, based on the break ins, and the theft of the guns and stuff.  He wasn’t listening and we informed him he needed to listen or he would be shot.  While it was a difficult decision to make, it was not a hard decision as an owner of a business to make.”

 

Police arrived and arrested the customer.  He is 29-year old William Hasencamp.  Hasencamp faces multiple charges including theft, burglary, and dealing in stolen property. Authorities say he is one of three thieves arrested in connection to a string of over 40 burglaries in five Florida counties.

 

TEXAS HOMEOWNER WITH NSF  This next news article about a defensive use of a firearm was sent in by our listener Scott from Texas.  This homeowner had been burglarized before.  That is why he installed an alarm system on his home in Spring Texas.  This night, the alarm told him he had an intruder.  The homeowner was armed when he met the intruder and ordered him to lie on the floor.  Police arrived and arrested 38 year old Christopher Martin of Conroe, Texas.  Martin is a member of the Aryan Brotherhood gang and was previously charged with criminally negligent homicide, with manslaughter, and with felony convictions.

 

John – Trainer Dave Spaulding had a discussion of why you and I don’t think like criminals. He made his observations based upon years of interacting with them as a police officer. Here is a link to his thoughts on the subject.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Sure do.  You remember we had Tatiana Whitlock on the show.  She asked the question why there are not professional talks like the TED talks for firearms.  I’d never thought of that, but  I started a list of self-defense talks I’d really like to hear.   I’m curious what topics you would add or remove.  So please share your thoughts.

 

John : That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 313 – Ben Branam

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on day month year. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Ben Branham of the Modern Self Protection podcast about handgun training.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s A son gives his mother a handgun as a gift, and one week later she needs to use it.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we report on an Oklahoma criminal painting his firearm like a child’s toy.

Rachel: so climb aboard

Gary H: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul: episode 313 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – We are recording this one immediately after the finish of the Daytona 500. I am half paying attention to the beginning of the race and half working on show notes, so if you hear something wonky, it is probably my fault.  Nothing gun related this week other than working a bit on the training classes that are coming up in Sioux Falls this year and looking at bulk ammo prices. I figure that I need to have about 4500 rounds of .40 to keep supply up and actually a little ahead before the summer of 2015 ends.  I don’t reload so I am going to have to go with new or remanufactured ammo. The best price I have found to this point is from a company called LAX ammunition at $239.00 for a 1000 round case.

 

Rob-  I wrote to my legislators about the ATF ammo ban.  NRA stop ATF ban of common ammunition- https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150218/your-action-urgently-needed-to-prevent-batfe-from-banning-common-rifle-ammunition

 

I spoke at a political meeting on Tuesday and asked the audience to go to a local planning commission meeting.  We filled the building, and the hall, and the outside patio with supporters for a new gun range.  The commision voted against the range permits, so the requests will go to the city council.

 

I dropped off some materials for Gun Owners of California at a gun shop.  That gun shop will start a new chapter of  “A girl and a gun” club in April.  I helped spread the word.

 

I went to a second gun store with a friend.  This gunsmith was working on my friends gun for almost two months and then decided he couldn’t do the work.  I like to use local merchants, but that was unprofessional.

 

Got my IDPA scores back.  I placed 5th out of 22.

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

 

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-Tucson Police received many complaints over the last few months.  They knew they had a drug house in the neighborhood.  They ordered everyone out of the house as a suspect dashed over the back fence and into the arms of waiting police.  The suspect threw down his firearm and was arrested.  Officers noticed something different about the suspect’s gun.  The tip of the firearm was painted orange to resemble a toy gun.

That is why we have to ask legislators what they thought would happen when they passed mandatory marking laws on kid’s guns.  Were the legislators so stupid to believe criminals would suddenly obey the law?

 

Law enforcement, must be held to the same standard as civilians.  You and I may legally use deadly force only when there is an immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent.

 

Gary- A civilian as well as a police officer must be able to articulate ability, opportunity and jeopardy before they use lethal force.

Ability means that the other person has the power to kill or to cripple you.

Opportunity means that the circumstances are such that the other person would be able to use his ability against you.

Jeopardy means that the other person’s actions or words provide you with a reasonably perceived belief that he intends to kill you or cripple you.

 

Any other standard leaves us shooting the wrong person or becoming a victim.

-We had Dean Weingarten on the last episode.  He compared the safety rates of concealed carry holders and police.  Here are more facts from the Minnesota gun owners civil rights alliance.

  • Only 0.2% of all violent crimes… committed with ANY weapon in Minnesota were committed by a legally armed Minnesotan.  So out of all criminals, gun owners are one out of 500.
  • Only 8/100th of 1% of Minnesota Permit to Carry holders committed any sort of a violent crime in 2013.  Out of all minnesota permit owners,  less than one in a thousand committed any sort of violent crime.
  • Only 1/100th of 1% of Minnesota Permit to Carry holders used a firearm in a violent crime in 2013.  One out of ten thousand minnesota permit holders used a gun in a violent crime.  Those numbers are so small it is hard to understand them.  Look at the danger of concealed carry holders this way-
  • You’re 25 times more likely to be hit by lightning than assaulted by a legally armed Minnesotan.
  • In fact, you’re 14 1/2 times more likely to be assaulted by a random stranger on the street – than you are by a legally armed Minnesotan.

Law abiding gun owners are not a safety problem.  They are the solution.

Rachel- It is obvious to us, but some media outlets uncritically post the distorted statistics used by the anti-rights groups.  John Lott tore apart the misleading statistics and pointed out their errors.  The anti-rights groups said the examples of justified self-defense showed gun owners were dangerous.  The anti-rights groups also counted a defensive gun use several times if the shooting and court case ran from one year into another.  We try hard to bring you the truth.

 

Rob- We need to ban hotdogs.  More children die from choking on their food than from accidental deaths caused by a firearm.  Protect us from unregistered bratwurst.

 

It is the truth.  All right, I’ll be serious for a minute.  Private gun owners acting in self-defense shoot more criminals than the police.  We also kill more criminals in self-defense than the police.  That is because criminals attack civilians much more often than they attack policemen.  If you study the statistics from law abiding towns, half of the shootings will be from firearms owners protecting themselves.  The police are involved in the other half.  In dangerous towns the shootings are from criminals shooting each other.

 

-This news is from the Colorado state senator who proposed constitutional carry.  Senator Vicki Marble said, quote “SB32 allows a person who legally possesses a handgun under state and federal law to carry a concealed handgun in Colorado, whether the handgun is loaded or unloaded. I don’t know why someone would want to carry a concealed unloaded handgun but there may be someone who would like to, and, if that is the case, then he/she can do that as legally as if it were a loaded handgun.

“The reason this Bill had no other sponsors is because it is the first Bill I introduced this session. There are many first Bills that have no other sponsors on them. This is merely due to the fact that we were not in session and didn’t get access to legislators the way we do when we are at the Capitol full time.

“All Republicans signed on as Co-Sponsors in the Senate after third reading.  We have great second amendment support in the Senate !

“The House Sponsor is Rep. Kim Ransom. She will do an excellent job. I am sure we will have all House Republicans signing on to this Bill if it should see third reading in the House”  close quote.

I like this Senator’s attitude.  I hope our Colorado listeners support her.

 

Rob- IDPA! Gun puzzles.

 

Break

-Missouri citizens passed an amendment that required strict scrutiny for firearms laws.  Some politicians and police chief don’t like the results.

The law says  “Nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent the general assembly from enacting general laws which limit the rights of convicted violent felons or those adjudicated by a court to be a danger to self or others as a result of a mental disorder or mental infirmity.”  A missouri police chief said that mean only individuals convicted of violent felonies can face felon-in-possession restrictions.  Not all prosecutors agree with that conclusion.

 

Rob- could this stop the firearms prohibition for old drug possession crimes.

 

-NY doesn’t like knives.  You can be arrested in New York city for owning a small pocket knife that fits on your key chain.  Meanwhile, New York has seen some of the most militaristically-armed police forces in the nation.  Now New York State Senator Tony Avella said he’ll introduce a bill to ban the possession of long, fixed blades in New York, including the ever-scary, and Hollywood-demonized machete.  “The fact that anyone can easily purchase this potentially lethal tool is just crazy,” the senator said.

 

Rob- Why are we surprised?  Governor Cuomo said that people who believe in self-protection don’t belong in New York.

 

-We were told how guns cause crime and we would be safer in a gun free zone.  New statistics are now out.  They show how dangerous it is to be in the the Maryland state prison system.  The prison system is the ultimate gun free zone.. where the murder rate is three times the national average.

 

-It looks like the Cumberland county New Jersey sheriff’s department decided  the department  looks bad for them to charge a 70 plus year old man with a felony for possessing a 300 plus year old flintlock pistol.  The sheriff’s department went on the offense this week by publicly  speculating that the suspect, retired teacher Gordon Van Gilder, was a druggie.  This despite the fact that up to the point that we record this show that the firearm possession charge is the only crime Mr Van Gilder is charged with.  The best part of the story that we found in the Daily Mail was quote by attorney Evan Nappen.  “Obviously, flintlocks are the weapon of choice for drug dealers. My [72-year-old severely] arthritic client was given a ride to [retrieve] his 18th century antique. He is not on drugs, but the folks who made New Jersey’s gun laws may well have been.”

 

– Thanks to the group  “Jews Can Shoot” for pointing out this next story for us! The Houston Chronicle is stretching things a bit  as they fight against campus carry in Texas. In the February 21st editorial they ran a piece that claimed that it would cost “tens of millions of dollars” to implement concealed carry on campus, with most of the cost being the beefing up of police on campus. Of course that money would come from things like cancer research.

 

Rob-comment- I saw this before.  College administrators will choose the most restrictive and expensive alternatives to simply allowing concealed carry on campus.

 

Rachel- except for Texas A&M.  They encouraged campus carry.  Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp told Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick he has no objection to the Campus Carry Bill now pending in the Texas State Senate.  Chancellor Sharp wrote to the Lt Governor and said, ““Having licensed gun owners in possession of legal weapons on our campuses does not raise safety concerns for me personally.  The real question is this: ‘Do I trust my students, faculty and staff to work and live responsibly under the same laws at the university as they do at home?’ Of course I do!”

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Paul Gun Quotes- Liberalizing concealed carry laws won’t lead to a return to the Wild West- though it wouldn’t be bad if it did.  In 19th century cattle towns, homicide was confined to transient males who shot each other in saloon disturbances. The per capita robbery rate was 7% of modern New York City’s. The burglary rate was 1%. Rape was unknown. – That is from David Kopel who is the Research Director of the Independence Institute.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with Ben Branam!

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Segment 3 Interviews

Ben Branam – Host of the Modern Self Protection podcast.

  1. Getting excited about the beyond concealed carry enhanced class that you and Bob Mayne are going to be doing in Sioux Falls. You guys have recently started traveling to do classes, so for those that aren’t in the Texas area what is the beyond concealed carry enhanced class about and what can they expect?  Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced - May 16th-17th 2015
  2. Your training with the government was a lot of rifle and teamwork, with contracting you got some training with handgun. How does that transfer over to teaching civilians for civilian use?
  3. I want to talk a little bit about your most recent show that I have listened to about parking your car.  I have found in my own experience that it is important to park in a way such that you can drive out rather than back out, and that you may have to practice backing to be able to do that every time.
  4. Since you work part time in a gun shop now, let me ask you what has come out recently that you really like?

Segment 4 DGUs

-This news story was sent in by listener Scott from Houston, Texas.  A Northwest Houston apartment resident called police early in the moring  to report he had just shot a burglar. Police found the burglar with a gunshot wound to the head. They also found signs of forced entry to the door and window of the second-floor apartment. Several intruders broke down the door and fought with the homeowner before the homeowner defended himself.  The other thieves ran.  The burglar was taken to a local hospital for treatment. The homeowner was questioned, but not charged. Neighbors say this isn’t the first time something like this has happened at their apartment complex.  One resident’s home was robbed earlier in the week.  Another resident had his car broken into as well as his appartment.

 

Rob- I’m loud and proud ‘caus I carry a 45?

 

-Our parents are growing older.  A woman in Columbus, Ohio had recently become a widow.  Her son was concerned for her safety as she lived alone.  It isn’t a safe neighborhood, and they bought a gun for her a week ago.  At about 5 in the morning a thief broke into a home across the street.  The homeowners pushed him back outside through a second story window.  A few minutes later, the widow across the street heard someone break into her home by smashing through her front window.  She shot the intruder.  The intruder was taken to a local hospital and died a few hours later.

 

-We’ve reported in the past that the mere presence of a firearm is sometimes all that is necessary to stop a crime.  When Christopher Harjo came into Debi’s Filling Station restaurant in Okmulgee, OK Tuesday morning, he was looking for a fight. He confronted one of their customer and then pulled a knife on the man. That is is when another customer who was a concealed carry holder stepped in. According to waitress Dayna Rucker, he drew his gun and said to her, ‘He’s got a knife. Put your knife away. I have a gun.” He had a concealed-carry license and he was very clear about what he had.” Harjo, who it seems was quite drunk, sobered up enough to realize that a gun beats a knife and he ran out of the restaurant into the arms of an Okmulgee police officer who just arrived. Harjo faces several charges including assault with a deadly weapon. Restaurant employees were very grateful that the patron was armed and able to stop the potential attack.

 

-A pharmacist in Pinch, West Virginia had walked away from the pharmacy counter when a customer pulled a gun on two other pharmacy clerks and said this was a hold-up.  The pharmacist moved towards the employees and the gunman, and then the pharmacist drew his own firearm.  The pharmacist shot the robber in the chest.  The robber ducked, but raised his firearm.  That was when the robber was shot again.  There were eight customers in the store.  The robber fled into the store rather than running out the door immediately behind him.  The pharmacist shot again, and this time struck the robbers firearm..  The robber was taken to a local hospital where he died of his injuries.  The pharmacist was back in the store the next day.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Jeff Armstrong emailed this one in

Wild pigs; A parable and a fact.

One day while in class at a large college, a professor noticed one young man, an exchange student, who kept rubbing his back and stretching as if his back hurt.  The professor asked the young man what was the matter.

The student told him he had a bullet lodged in his back. He had been shot while fighting communists in his native country who were trying to overthrow his country’s government and install a new communist regime.

In the midst of his story, the student looked at the professor and asked a strange question, “Do you know how to catch wild pigs?”

The professor thought it was a joke and asked for the punch line.  The young man assured the professor that his question was no joke and went on to say.

“You catch wild pigs by finding a suitable place in the woods and putting corn on the ground. The pigs find it and begin to come every day to eat the free corn.

When they are used to coming every day, you put a fence down one side of the place where they are used to coming. When they get used to the fence, they begin to eat the corn again and you put up another side of the fence.

They get used to that and start to eat again. You continue until you have all four sides of the fence up with a gate in the last side.

The pigs, which are now used to and want the free corn, eventually begin to come through the gate to get to the free corn.

When all the pigs get inside, you slam the gate and catch the whole herd.

Suddenly the wild pigs have lost their freedom. They are confused and run around inside the fence, but soon they go back to eating the free corn. They are so used to it that they have forgotten how to forage in the woods for themselves, so they accept their captivity.”

The young man then told the professor that is exactly what he sees happening in America .

The government keeps pushing us toward Communism/Socialism and keeps spreading the free corn out in the form of programs such as supplemental income, tax credit for unearned income, tax exemptions, tobacco subsidies, welfare entitlements, medicine, drugs, etc., while we continually lose our freedoms, just a little at a time.

God help us all when the gate slams shut!

Marx once said, “Remove one freedom per generation and soon you will have no freedom and no one would have noticed.”

 

Thank you, Jeff.

 

Tony emailed this one in

Paul,

I would like to thank you for announcing the Black History Month shoot on your podcast. It was a success, I will be hosting more of these shoots. We had a respectable number of people show up for an event that only had 2 weeks advanced notice.  Three young men had never held a gun before but after shooting various Ruger 10/22s, a Henry lever action in 22LR and various handguns they are fans of the sport. Myself and Sean, of BlackBagResources.com, shared our knowledge of New Jersey gun laws and the various organizations that fights against new laws. They were also informed of how easy and how important it is to contact legislators and make their voices heard. I would like to thank Anthony Colandro, from Gun For Hire in Woodland Park NJ and Sean Fisher of BlackBagResources.com for their help. More events will take place in the future and I would appreciate the help of The Polite Society podcast.

Thank you,

Tony

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Ben Branam for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

  1. Treat every firearm as if it’s loaded.
  2. Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.
  3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.
  4. Always be sure of your target and what is beyond it.

 

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Episode 312 – Alexander Roubian, Richard Smith, Dean Weingarten, Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.mp3

Individual show segments

Segment 1:  Rob and Rachel open the show and talk about what has been happening with them since the last episode.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.1.mp3

Segment 2: News segment 1. Anti-Gun activists caught with guns where they shouldn’t have them. Interview with Dean Weingarten, are concealed permit holders really more law abiding than police?  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.2.mp3

Segment 3: News segment 2. Stepehen Josey gets an appeal. ATF says it doesn’t need to file the changes ban of popular rifle ammo to the federal register. Legislation to pass more restrictions in Vermont hits a snag. Texas Governor lists open carry as a priority. Campus carry issues. Gun Quote.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.3.mp3

Segment 4: Interview with Alexander Rubian, President of NJ2AS http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.4.mp3

Segment 5: Interview with Richard Smith of the Second Amendment Foundation Training Division.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.5.mp3

Segment 6: Interview with Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.6.mp3

Segment 7: DGUs and show close http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.7.mp3

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, February 18th, 2015. I’m Rachel Malone.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we’ll talk with Alexander Roubian of NJ2AS, and Richard Smith from the SAF training division, and Dean Weingarten from the Gun Watch blog.
Rachel-  and we’ll also talk with Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack of Second Amendment Women.
Rob- did I tell you about anti-gun celebrities being caught illegally carrying handguns?  We have that and a lot more,
Rachel- so climb aboard
Rob- strap in
Rachel- and hang on! Episode 312 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- lead in  This is the personal news segment of the polite society podcast.  John is off supervising the birth of a grandchild, so we have Rachel and I to hold down the podcast today.  Rachel, How is your gun world? Have you caught up on sleep after living in the Texas Senate building last week?

Rachel- I have caught up on sleep…just in time for the start of Jordan’s spring football. ;) It’s all good. Nothing strictly with guns this past week…I need to change that…but if you can expand that to general preparedness, I do have news. Jordan and I are setting up a home gym and I found a bunch of great stuff off of Craigslist. Very excited about that.

As a follow-up to last week’s committee hearing – the witness list was posted today. I’ve been looking forward to perusing it and learning what I can. Here’s what we’ve found after a quick reading this afternoon:
77% of those “against” came from Austin, TX; 23% came from elsewhere.
21% of those “for” or “on” came from Austin, TX; 79% came from elsewhere.
78% of those “against” only dropped a registration card.
35% of those “for” or “on” only dropped a registration card.

Rob- The local city planning commission is using lame excuses to refuse a gun range the building permits it needs.  I spoke about it at a local political meeting and asked the audience to go to the planning commission meeting  that is happening right now.  They reminded me of the ATF.  The ATF said cheap 223 ammunition has no sporting purpose.  Scuse me?  What else are you going to do with cheap ammo but shoot it for sport?  The local planning commission said the range was not for recreation.  What they meant to say is we don’t like your kind around here.

Break

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Seg 2- News

Rachel gives us the news

-David Malik is a leading civil rights attorney in Cleveland, Ohio.  He also doesn’t want you owning guns.  Mister Malik was arrested over the weekend at Cleveland Hopkins Airport.   Malik had a concealed handgun in his carry-on bag.  David Malik is the original attorney for the family of 12-year-old Tamir Rice who was slain by police in November.  Attorney Malik spent the night in jail after a .22 caliber handgun and a box of ammunition were discovered in his luggage by airport security.

It is common for anti-gun celebrities to carry firearms.  Dwayne Ferguson was a community activist and a vocal supporter of the New York SAFE act.. until he was arrested for illegally bringing a pistol onto school grounds in Buffalo, New York.

Illinois state senator Donne Trotter was charged with a felony for bringing a loaded handgun through the security checkpoint at O’Hare airport.  Democrat Trotter was running to replace Jesse Jackson Jr. in Congress at the time.  This happened before the courts brought concealed carry to Illinois.  Trotter routinely voted to kill concealed carry bills in the Illinois Senate.

More serious was the example set by California State Senator Leland Yee.  Senator Yee both proposed and supported strict gun control.. for California citizens.  That was before his arrest on political corruption, racketeering and gun trafficking charges.  Yee wanted to sell rocket propelled grenades to criminals.

Retired Chicago Alderman Richard Mell is the father-in-law of disgraced former governor and felon Rod Blagojevich.  Alderman Mell helped craft Chicago’s old ban on handguns.  Alderman Mell also used his political connections to rewrite the registration law and create an “amnesty” period after he’d neglected to do the paperwork needed to keep his firearms.

And the late Frank Melton, former mayor of Jackson, Miss., routinely violated “gun laws” .. the same laws he demanded everyone else to obey.

There is a troubling double standard in the case of Democrat Texas State Sen. Juan “Chuy” Hinojosa.  The senator brought his own gun into an airport security area.. and didn’t even have to stand for arraignment.

Rob- Michael Moore’s bodyguard was charged for carrying a gun in a gun free zone.  Last week, the Bloomberg group Moms demand action for gun safety hired armed bodyguards, and used the armed guards to push around unarmed civilians when they testified at the Texas capital.  There are rules for us, and special rules for gun-control spokesmen and politicians.

Rachel-You remember what firearms instructor Bob Main says.  “I carry a gun because I can’t carry a cop.”  Even if we could have a policeman at our shoulder, we might want to leave them at the police station.  We’ve all seen the social media posts about police using unnecessary force.  Partial data indicates that police are convicted of firearms violations much more often than concealed carry holders.  We don’t have the complete data across the US for concealed carry holders, but the data we have for Florida says that the police were over 20 times more likely to be charged with a firearms violation than civilians.

Rob- Some factors explain the high rate of violations by law enforcement.  Each policeman sees more violent incidents than the average civilian.  Also, a civilian will often bring charges against an officer if the officer misuses a gun.  The concealed carry holder knows who belongs in his living room in the middle of the night.. and the policeman doesn’t.

There are other factors that work against the concealed carry holder.  Each criminal on the street will assault many civilians before the criminal is finally arrested by a policeman.   Also, many  jurisdictions ignore behavior by police where that same behavior by a civilian would result in prosecution.

Rob- we have dean Dean Weingarten here to make sense of this subject. Gun Watch blog, and it has a lot of news.  “For the data that we have, police appear to be three times as likely to commit murder as a concealed carry permit holder.”  Dean interview.

Dean Weingarten, welcome.
How did you get interested in this subject.
I’ve been an instructor for 40 years.  My students are extraordinarily responsible.
How do concealed carry holders compare to law enforcement officers.
Who records when an officer is arrested?
Not the FBI.  The FBI doesn’t even collect the justifiable homicides.
Domestic violence by police is closely tracked.
Who did you compare.
What did you find.
Police are 1.4/100k vs Florida is a third of that number.
police 4-5 times more likely than CCW
CCW 9 times more law abiding than general public.
Gunwatch.com
Ammoland.com
news 2

Rachel- Frequent listeners should remember hearing the young man from New Jersey.  Steffon Josey asked for an appeal, and an appeal was granted.  He and Evan Nappen will be in court soon!   They will have a date will be released in a few days. This poor kid needs some cash to earn his freedom.  Please donate to his go-fund-me account.  Throw in something even if it is only $5.

-The ATF claimed it does not need to publish its new rules in the Federal Register as it re-interprets the meaning of “armor piercing ammunition to outlaw surplus 223 ammo.  The ATF claims the reinterpretation is exempt from the Federal Administrative Procedures Act.  President Obama claimed the same thing when he re-wrote immigration law with his phone and his pen.

-Legislation to require more background checks on gun sales in Vermont has hit a major snag. Anti-rights advocates lobbied lawmakers to require background checks for sales of firearms at gun shows and over the internet. The legislation even made it into committee.  Senator Dick Sears of Bennington is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.  Senator Sears said quote “I don’t believe the background check portion of the bill has the votes to pass out of –committee.” close quote.  Most legislators do their homework and count votes before they propose legislation.

Moms Demand Action has been caught lying…again. Only this time, the untruth occurred in a committee hearing of the Texas Senate. Kelly Burke is the president of the Texas MDA chapter. While testifying against the open carry and campus carry bills last week, Ms. Burke claimed, (quote) “we do not know, about how, quote, responsible CHL holders are, because that data set is not available and is completely locked down. Any statements about how, quote, responsible and law-abiding CHL holders are is completely anecdotal and therefore conjecture.” (close quote) If she’d only searched Google, she could have easily found this data. It’s public record and is made available by the TXDPS.

-Texas open carry activists were rewarded again this week for their diligent efforts. Texas Governor Greg Abbott delivered a “state of the state” address Tuesday morning in which he laid out his top priorities for the state. Open carry made the cut. Abbott stated, (quote) “Let me briefly follow up on a word I mentioned a moment ago — liberty. In a single word, it encapsulates what this country stands for, what Texas symbolizes. I will expand liberty in Texas by signing a law that makes Texas the 45th state to allow open carry.” (close quote)

-Here are two conflicting ideas.  Some studies report high rates of sexual assault.   Women’s advocates say women are at great risk on college campuses.  Contrast that claim with the fact that many college administrators want to deny women the right to carry concealed on campus.  These administrators ignore that concealed carry holders are usually 21 years of age or older.  Concealed carry holders already have a license to carry across the state, but must disarm on campus.  In this age of diversity, the student body is more diverse than ever.  We already have returning veterans and delayed entry students on campus.  College students are not the drunken idiots shown in animal house.  They never were.  Students make adult decisions without parental supervision.  Lawmakers in 10 states are pushing bills that would permit the carrying of firearms on campus.  They hope the national spotlight on sexual assault will help them win passage of their measures.  Quote “If you’ve got a person that’s raped because you wouldn’t let them carry a firearm to defend themselves, I think you’re responsible,” State Representative Dennis K. Baxley of Florida said during debate in a House subcommittee last month. The bill passed out of committee.

Bills that would allow guns on campus have been introduced in Indiana, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas,  Florida and Nevada and Wyoming.

Rob-  I have the gun quote today, and this is one might surprise you.  “Fighting corruption is not just good governance. It’s self-defense. It’s patriotism.”  That was from vice president Joe Biden.  I wonder if he meant the New York SAFE act and San Antonio knife laws when he talked about government corruption.  Hang on everybody we have our interview segment next.

Interviews-

New Jersey Second Amendment Society- Alexander Roubian
You’ve had meetings up and down new Jersey- how were they attended?
Do you have accounts set up for the next gun owner attacked by NJ gun laws?
Christie said he doesn’t want to meet with NJ2AS.
Carry outside the home.
Clarify self-defense as justifiable need.
Stop local jurisdictions from adding additional requirement to apply for
Clarify reasonable deviation so we can go to the bathroom.

Second Amendment Women- Sandi and Shari

Your club.
Women’s education
Training and competition
Kids safety/firearms in the home.
Kids day at the range.
What do you have planned?
How can people reach you?  http://sawshootingclub.com/

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SAF training division- Richard Smith
Why a separate training organization from NRA or US CCA?
What is the focus of the training? Self-defense. (not hunting or sporting uses)
What do you offer the prospective instructor?
Tom Givins director of training
Attend instructor seminars.
Continuing education requirements.
What do you offer the prospective student?
http://www.saftd.org/
https://www.facebook.com/saftdusa
What is your timeline?
First course at the end of march.
Develop new courses for the next year and a half.  Testing curriculum.
Where do people find you?

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- A man’s dog woke him up just at sunrise in Edmond Oklahoma.  Then the 46 year old homeowner heard someone beating on his front door.  The masked intruder smashed his way in carrying a baseball bat.  He hit the homeowner in the hand.  The homeowner ran to his kitchen and grabbed his handgun.  He shot the intruder in the face, neck and arm.  The intruder then ran across the street to his girlfriend’s apartment. She called 911, to get him medical attention.  The burglar is expected to survive.

The intruder was the homeowners former step-son.  The step-son is charged with first-degree burglary and assault with a dangerous weapon.

Rachel- Does a woman home alone stand a chance against four home intruders? She does if she has a gun. An Alabama woman refused entrance to a group of four who knocked on her door and asked to use her phone Monday afternoon. They left, but returned later that night. They forced their way inside. The homeowner pulled out her gun and fired. One invader, Richard Taylor, died of multiple gunshot wounds. The three accomplices survived, but are now being charged with Taylor’s murder. The homeowner is not expected to face charges.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob This note came from Ken in Arizona.  He said
This quote from Mahatma Gandhi struck me as one that’s appropriate for our gun rights.  Quote “First they ignore you. Then, they laugh at you. Then, they fight you. Then, you win.”  Close quote
Ken continues- They are currently fighting us with everything they have. We are only one step away from winning!

Thanks Ken.

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Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank our guests for joining us. We talked with Alexander Rubian from the New Jersey Second amendment society, Richard Smith from the SAF training division, Dean Weingarten from the Gun Watch blog, and Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack of Second Amendment Women. Rob, will you be with us this weekend? I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 311 – National Concealed Carry Reciprocity

Full episode download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.mp3

Individual Segments

Intro and personal news segments. The hosts talk about what has been going on with them since the last show.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.1.mp3

News segment 1: BATFE proposes to ban popular AR 15 ammo, campus carry is introduced in Nevada, and possible forest preserve carry in Illinois.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.2.mp3

News Segment 2: National concealed carry reciprocity is introduced, New Hampshire Senate approves permitless carry, Sen, Rubio introduces bill to permanently de-fund operation choke point, New Jersey resident charged with felony for possession of 300 year old flintlock.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.3.mp3

News Segment 3: Sandy Hook Commission issues it’s report, deadly shootings in Denmark, and our gun quote.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.4.mp3

DGU segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.5.mp3

Listener feedback and show close segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.6.mp3

Intro

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday February 15th 2015. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about a proposed BATFE ruling that would outlaw some popular ammunition

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a campus carry bill advancing in Nevada.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s,  snowy roads helped apprehend a pair of home invaders

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also have 2 voice mails to share with you..

Rachel: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Because episode 311 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Paul- Back at ABN for the first time in quite a while. No longer doing the Baltimore run. Bought my wife a really cool Valentines day gift.

 

John – My new Kydex holster has arrived for my Ruger LC9s and it fits the pistol very well. I’ve worn it around the house and you forget that you are carrying. Other than that, no new gun news. We are still on grandbaby watch and it could be this week as the official due date is the 19th.

 

Gary – My Glock 30 is now my official back up gun, it fed 3 boxes of Ranger T without a jam. I’m still using my Colt 1911 because my FFL who is also a leathersmith is supposed to be making a double, double stack mag pouch for the Para, which is also feeding the Ranger T without a hitch. I had a couple of conversations with former students about disparity of force and AOJ, please take a moment and review these with your instructors. We actually have it easier to appear at house of rep committee meetings here in Illinois than in Texas. Rachel had to drive to the meeting, I filed my appearance and opinion from my home office.

 

Rachel- Thursday’s Senate hearing on gun bills was my big activity this week – I did a special segment with Paul on that that’s being included in Episode 310. Friday and Saturday was follow-up with my activists and some recovery downtime with a friend. And trying to catch up after several near all-nighters this past week.

 

Rob- Shot IDPA yesterday.  I learned a lot by slowing down a little.

I’ll miss testimony for a local gun range before the city council because of the Wednesday podcast.

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

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Seg 2- News

 

-BATFE released a proposed ruling this week that would reclassify one of the most common AR-15 5.56 rounds as “armor piercing”. Specifically, they said the exemption from the pistol armor piercing list of the SS109/M855 bullet would be rescinded. This is the bullet that is commonly found in surplus 5.56 or .223 ammo. BATFE says the steel and lead core combo makes it armor piercing. They also say this bullet has no “sporting purpose”. People have until March 16th to submit comments on this proposal.

 

John – Comment – I see this as a parting gift to Attorney General Eric Holder who said his one failure was the failure to pass gun control.

Rob- I remember a poster by Oleg Volk.  There is no “right size” when it comes to gun grabbers and firearms.  Guns are always too large or too small, too accurate or too inaccurate, too cheap or too expensive, too loud or too quiet.   There is no right size when it comes to firearms, and the 223 is no exception.

Where is the outrage that my police are carrying ammunition that is so lethal it will penetrate body armor?

 

-A campus carry bill was introduced into the Nevada House by Rep. Michelle Fiore (R-Las Vegas). The bill would allow those with carry permits to legally carry in buildings on Nevada public higher education campuses, to carry in the unsecured areas of airports, and to carry in public buildings with some exceptions. Rep. Fiore calls this bill “Amanda’s Law” after Amanda Collins. With Republicans in charge of both houses of the Nevada legislature, Fiore is confident that this third attempt to pass a campus carry bill will be successful.

 

Comment – Rob and I saw Amanda Collins discuss her rape in the film “Safe Havens”. It was very powerful stuff.

Rob Comment- The presidents of the Florida state universities opposed concealed carry on campus in Florida.  To our Florida listeners, you trusted these university officials to educate your children.

Rachel comment- the Austin police chief doesn’t think campus carry is the best option. He prefers to offer victim counseling after rapes rahter than give victims a fighting chance.

 

-When Illinois passed its concealed carry law two years ago, one of the places that was made off-limits for legal carry were the Cook County forest preserves. Now two Downtstate legislators have introduced a bill to allow legal carry in forest preserves. Rep. Kyle McCarter of Lebanon said, “Allowing those who the state has trained to carry a gun will only provide safety.” The Chicago Sun-Times in an editorial takes issue with that and tries to bolster their argument with a spurious report from the Violence Policy Center that “counted” 722 deaths nationwide since 2007 by concealed carry holders.

 

Rob comment- do I have to pay taxes for a park or place where my rights are denied.

 

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-Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) and Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) have introduced bills Thursday in their respective houses of Congress entitled, “The Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015.” This bill would treat state-issued concealed-carry permits like drivers’ licenses, allowing law-abiding citizens with concealed carry privileges to concealed-carry in any other states that also permit it by law. The bill has bipartisan sponsorship and has the strong support of the NRA. Stutzman said, ““Americans enjoy a natural right to self-defense preserved by the Second Amendment. This federally guaranteed liberty should not be forfeited when state lines are crossed.”

 

Rob- I couldn’t find the house version of the bill yet.  See PopVox.com  https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/114/hr923

https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/114/s498

John – HR 923.

 

-The New Hampshire State Senate voted 14-9 to approve constitutional carry of concealed firearms in the state. The bill was sponsored by Sen. Majority Leader Jeb Bradley. As Sen. Sharon Carson said, “This bill recognizes that the simple act of putting on a coat should not require a permit.” New Hampshire already recognizes unlicensed open carry. Senate Democrats argued that the bill will increase the number of deadly arguments. The bill now goes to the New Hampshire House for their approval.

 

Comment – I guess the New Hampshire Senate Democrats have never heard of an armed society being a polite society.

 

Rachel comment- So New Hampshire’s Senate thinks this is fine, but Texas’ Lt. Gov. Patrick doesn’t think it should even get a hearing. What’s wrong with this picture?

 

-We’ve reported on Operation Choke Point in past episodes. On Thursday, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) introduced a bill that would “defund, in perpetuity, “Operation Choke Point or any other program designed to discourage the provision or continuation of credit or the processing of payments by financial institutions for dealers and manufacturers of firearms and ammunition.“ The bill is called “Firearms Manufacturers and Dealers Protection Act of 2015.  Sen. Rubio’s bill would complement legislation introduced earlier in the month by Rep. Blaine Luetkmeyer of Missouri.

 

-We have reported many times on how New Jersey law has ensnared innocent victims. We have interviewed both Brian Aitken and Steffon Josey-Davis on this show. The latest victim is retired school teacher Van Gilder. Mr. Gilder was arrested for the mere possession of an unloaded 300-year-old “Queen Anne” single-shot flintlock. He has been charged with a Second Degree Felony of Criminal Possession of a Handgun which can carry a 10-year sentence. Mr. Gilder has been an antiques collector for years. Under Federal law, this single-shot flintlock pistol can be bought and sold by anyone. No license is required, it can be shipped through the mails, etc. A legal defense fund has been set up for Mr. Gilder and we would encourage you to be generous.

 

Rob- Can he register this firearm?

Break

 

-In Connecticut, the 16-member Sandy Hook Advisory Commission issued its report with a number of recommendations.  Their want to prohibit the sale and possession of any firearm capable of holding 10 rounds or more.  There was no provision to grandfather in existing firearms.  They recommended that any shell casing for ammunition sold in Connecticut have a unique serial number etched on it, and that each casing should be registered and traced.  Also, all firearms would be registered and ammunition buyers would be restricted to only the caliber chambered for their licensed guns. Those who have firearms licenses, stresses the report, should at every renewal pass a test of firearms handling capacity as well as an understanding of state and local laws.

 

Rob- That sounds like a semi-auto ban.. and a bolt action ban, since most could accept a mag over 19 rounds.  That means they would need a department in Connecticut like their DMV where a firearms owner would be tested every year.

 

-In Denmark, only licensed gun owners may possess firearm or ammunition. License applicants must establish what the authorities consider a “genuine” reason to possess a firearm. Those laws didn’t prevent deadly shootings in Denmark Saturday. A man killed a victim and injured three police officers at a free speech debate in a cafe. The gunman then proceeded to the city’s main synagogue, where he killed a Jewish man and wounded two police officers. Police tracked down the gunman and shot him Sunday morning. Investigators believe the attacks may have been inspired by the Paris shootings.

 

Gun Quotes- I strongly believe that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to possess and use guns for purposes of both hunting and self-defense. That quote was by democrat legal scholar -Cass Sunstein.

Gary- I have a problem with this quote.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

-A Kalamazoo County, Michigan man awoke around 11pm Saturday night to loud knocking on his door. As he went to check it out, one of the two men outside broke a window on the side of his house.  The homeowner shot the man as the home invader entered the house and his accomplice took off. Police arrested the accomplice nearby and took the wounded home invader to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

 

-A San Antonio, Texas homeowner was uninjured this morning after exchanging gunfire with a home invader. The home invader, however, was shot in the stomach and was taken to San Antonio Military Medical Center. The Bexar County Sheriff’s Department said the home invasion suspect will be charged with burglary when he recovers. They said they don’t expect any charges to be filed against the homeowner.

 

-Normally, one does not think of heavy snow as being of an assist to law enforcement. However, a combination of an armed homeowner and deep snow allowed Springfield, Massachusetts police quickly to arrest brothers Jordan and Jovan Eady. They had broken into a house and threatened “to light the house up” last Saturday night. The homeowner was armed with a legally registered firearm and he shot Jordan in the arm. The Eady brothers were captured by Springfield Police after they ran from the home. The reason they were running and not driving is that their 2014 Chrysler 200 had gotten stuck in a snowbank. Police investigators said the homeowner had acted in self-defense of himself and his family and no charges would be brought against him. A followup story said both the brothers Eady were charged with burglary and malicious damage and released on bail. Their attorney said it was all a mistake and they had been drinking.

 

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Listener Voice Mail from Greg in Bremmerton

Listener voice mail from Greg in Cincinatti.

 

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John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

We talk a lot about gun rights and politics on this show. Rarely do we address the history of older firearms. Some of these guns are absolute works of art. The late gun writer and firearms innovator Elmer Keith had an incredible collection of firearms. I did a story on Wednesday about the auction of his collection. Elmer passed away in 2003 and his family is now auctioning the collection. The post has many pictures of these guns.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 310 – Steffon Lamont Josey, Tatiana Whitlock, and Laura Carno

Each of our segments can now be downloaded and shared individually!

Personal news segment. The hosts talk about what is going on with them. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.1.mp3 

News segment 1. An Antioch, California pizza delivery driver is raped and robbed. More on Washington DC’s lack of issuing permits. Part of the 1968 Gun Control Act is struck down, and a New Jersey teenager is murdered shortly after filming an anti violence video. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.2.mp3

Interview segment with  Steffon Lamont Joseyhttp://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.3.mp3

News Segment 2, a Texas homeowner isn’t charged after a no knock raid results in the death of an officer.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.4.mp3

Interview Segment 2 Tatiana Whitlock on kids and guns. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.5.mp3

Rachel and Paul talk Texas senate gun bills.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.6.mp3

News segment 3. Laura Carno discusses developments in Colorado, pro gun bills die in New York, mayors are leaving Mayors Against Illegal Guns, women in Florida are getting carry permits, and a bill in California would make it a crime to mis-report someone on the new mental health restraining order law.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.7.mp3

DGU segment. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.8.mp3

Email and show close segment. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.8.mp3

Introduction

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition. We’re recording on Wednesday, February 11th, 2015.  I’m John Richardson.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and I’ll interview Tatiana Whitlock about her new video called Kids and Guns.
John: I’ll interview Steffon Josey-Davis on his prosecution for having a gun in New Jersey.
Rob: We have a remote interview from Rachel Malone as she reports on campus carry, open carry, and constitutional carry in the Texas Senate.
John: and we also have some comments from Laura Carno telling us about the rally for self-defense in Denver..
Laura- comments?  Comments!?  I can speak from myself, John.  I’m Laura Carno of “I am created equal”, and I’ll tell you all about firearms legislation in Colorado.  We also have our weekly self-defense news and stories of defensive gun use,
so climb aboard.
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on! Because episode 310 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition. Rachel Malone is usually with us for the midweek show.  This week she is busy wrangling the Texas senate.  She promised us a report.

We have Laura Carno back with us.  You know Laura from her from I Am Created Equal.com from LauraCarno.com, from hearing her on radio interviews and watching her youtube channel.  You might also have seen her 30 foot tall picture on banners at the NRA convention.  Laura, welcome, back to the polite society podcast.  What’s new in your gun world?

Laura’s gun news- I was in denver covering gun legislation.  We’ll talk about that in the news.  I spoke on many radio stations about the progress of gun legislation in CO and some other non-gun topics. Always something to pay attention to here in CO.
Rob- I missed the show last Sunday because I had a private tour at a fantastic firearms museum.  I held a sword owned by President George Washington and an Austrian air rifle of the kind carried by Lewis and Clark.
Back to the here and now, I shot IDPA at a new range.  This was the first time this range invited an IDPA competition under their roof.  Have you noticed that some indoor ranges have dark areas?  A close target might be brightly lit, and a distant target might be well lit, but there are some dark bands in between.  We used those dark bands on the range to create low light stages.  That was great training.   It took us 3 hours to shoot the six stages, but each stage is over in seconds.  I was under 9 seconds for the el Presidente stage.  One stage had 9 shots on three targets in 4.7 seconds.  That is an average performance, neither fast nor slow.
I also spoke before San Diego Board of Supervisors.  The Republican county chairman used part of my speech when he had his county meeting.  A friend and I are rooming together at Nashville for the NRA convention.  How about you, John?
John- I have been dry-firing my new Ruger LC9s Pro. It really has a nice trigger for a production gun. I’m still waiting on my Kydex holster to arrive. I will need to order some additional magazines to go with it and I think I want a green fiber optic front sight. Old eyes, you know. Other than that, we are still on grandbaby watch. Olivia Grace should arrive within the next two weeks.

Rob- that wraps up the personal news segment and we’ll be back with the news after this break.
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1Laura- Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition. You know the dangers of gun-free zones.  In this case, a domino’s pizza driver delivered to a house in Antioch, California.  After she made the delivery, the 22 year old female delivery driver was held at gunpoint by a 17 year old male and forced back into her car.  She was forced to drive to another location where she was raped and robbed.  Police have the suspect in custody.

Antioch, California is in Contra Costa county.  Contra Costa County Sheriff David Livingston has a “may issue” attitude towards concealed carry licenses.  That means the sheriff would usually deny the delivery driver her request for a permit.  She would be denied a permit even though being a delivery driver is the 8th most dangerous profession in America.  Domino’s also has a no-guns policy.

The Sheriff failed to protect her, and the company failed to protect her.  Both the sheriff and Dominos also denied her the opportunity to protect herself.

Comment- I know lots of people who took a delivery job when they were in school or as a second job.  Now we’re telling them that delivery jobs are only for men?
Comment- That is a war on women.
Comment-  We have marches called “take back the night” where we protest for women’s safety.  Where are the protests against the sheriff and the employer who disarmed this young driver.
Comment- Sure we have the right of self-defense here in California.. in theory, but not in practice.

2Laura- “In theory, but not in practice” is a good description of your concealed carry rights in Washington, DC.  Only a fraction of one percent of DC citizens can receive a license to carry concealed.  That is why the Second Amendment Foundation brought their latest lawsuit.  SAF president Alan Gottlieb said he could only find evidence of eight permits being issued by the District of Columbia. The overwhelming majority of applicants are denied for no reason other than that the district did not want to issue them a permit.

Gottlieb said quote “The city’s requirements to obtain a carry permit are so restrictive as to be prohibitive to virtually all applicants. It’s.. a ‘Catch 22,’ in which you can apply all day long, but no reason is sufficiently good enough for (DC Police) Chief Lanier to issue a permit.  The city has set the bar so high that it relegates a fundamental civil right to the status of a heavily-regulated government privilege.”  Close quote.

That is morally wrong and probably illegal.  A federal judge said the previous ban on carrying handguns in DC was illegal, and DC has effectively perpetuated that same ban.

Comment- Now we have two reasons to call Miko Tempski
Comment- Two reasons?
Comment- Miko is the chief legal counsel at the Second Amendment Foundation, and he is also the spokesman for their training division.

3- This news was sent in by listener Chris Gillespie.  A Federal Court in Texas just invalidated part of the Gun Control Act of 1968 on Second Amendment grounds. Judge Reed O’Connor said that the prohibition against interstate sale of handguns where the purchaser both buys and receives his or her handgun in a non-resident state is unconstitutional. Moreover, the judge applied strict scrutiny and said the law would fail even if he had applied intermediate scrutiny. The judge said that with the NICS system in place there is no reason handgun sales should be banned when long gun sales are permitted. This is another great win for Alan Gura. Incidentally, the lead plaintiff, Rick Mance, is a fellow gun blogger who blogs at Traction Control.

4-New Jersey is a dangerous place.  A teenager from Newark was shot dead only months after participating in an anti-violence video. Three towns in New Jersey are in the 100 most dangerous cities in America   In fact, two New Jersey towns are in the top ten among cities with a population of 25,000 people or more.  The list compares cities for their combined rate of murder, rape, aggravated assault and armed robbery.  New Jersey is number one!  Camden was at the top of the list as the most dangerous city.  You remember Camden.. where honest citizens are disarmed by law, and you have a 1-in-39 chance of becoming a victim of a violent crime each year.  Atlantic City wasn’t far behind at number 8.  Bridgeton, New Jersey is #25 on the list.

Rob- comment- I’ve had gun control advocates tell me gun control works.. like it works in New Jersey, New York City and Oakland, California.  I’m not convinced.

John- Not only will criminals make you a victim in New Jersey, but so will the police.  Interview with Steffon Josey-Davis.

We have Steffon Josey-Davis with us tonight. He is a young man who had planned to go into law enforcement, worked as an armed car driver, legally owned a S&W pistol, and was even on the candidate’s list for the North Brunswick Police Department. However, due to the quirks of New Jersey’s gun laws, he is now a felon.

Steffon, could you take up the story from here and tell us what happened to change everything?

When you took the deal from the Middlesex prosecutor’s office, was it because of the alternative?
Could you have realistically fought the charges?
What now? I understand you have a plea into Gov. Christie’s office asking for a pardon. What is the status of that?
Mention his go fund me site to close.

http://www.gofundme.com/Pardonsteffonjosey

skip 5-Interview with Tatiana Whitlock

We have anti-rights lobbyists claim there is an epidemic of child injuries from firearms. We know that isn’t true once we study the numbers, but you and I remember each tragic headline.  That is why I’m so glad to see a new video called “Kids and Guns” by Tatiana Whitlock.  We are lucky to have Tatiana join us today.  She both wrote and acted in the video by Panteao Productions.  Congratulations on your new video, Tatiana.

29 minutes is a lot of content.

I think of you as a competitive and self-defense shooter.  What pulled you to make Kids and Guns?
You asked firearms owners to lead their family by teaching their children about firearms.  I watched your video several times and you both kept it simple, and covered a lot of information.  A new gun owner would probably have to really study your video, or take a course so they know gun safety.
Gun safety.
Regulations.
Physical security- If you children can unlock your phone, then they can probably unlock your safe.
When did you start to gun proof your children?  How did you blunt your child’s curiosity?
Desensitized by dirty guns.
I liked the way you ask your child to be responsible outside your home, and that the adults have to provide an environment safe for visiting children as well.
Eddie Eagle.
You mentioned video violence.  What sensitized YOU to the subject of video violence?
Line of communication and living by their own judgment.
Your child’s interests may exceed your own ability to teach!  Be intentional as you interview a firearms teacher for your family.
You suggested that toy guns should NOT imitate real firearms.  You also suggest that our real guns should not imitate toys.
Tell your older children what you expect them to do when they see firearms outside the home.
Mood altering drugs!  You gave parents permission to lock up the guns or remove the firearms from the home.
Gun ownership is family business and not for public knowledge.
Tatiana, where can our listeners follow you?
http://tatianawhitlock.com/
Facebook
Wide open spaces.com
recoilweb.com

6-You won’t find news like this every day, and almost never from Texas.  Texas Police conducted a raid based on information from a drug informant.  The informant said the suspect was running a drug operation and had illegal weapons.  The homeowner shot at the police as they broke into his mobile home during the no-knock raid.  The homeowner surrendered once the police identified themselves.  He had no illegal weapons.  He had four marijuana plants smaller than 6 inches tall.  One policeman died in the raid after being shot by the homeowner.  The grand jury refused to charge the homeowner.

What is unusual is that the homeowner wasn’t murdered by the police during the raid.  Police are routinely using gun ownership as an excuse as they seek no-knock warrants.  You could be the victim of a violent no-knock raid because you were swatted and own firearms.  The police then use any legal infraction they can find to justify the raid and avoid being sued for their violent actions.

John 7- There are many gun bills being filed across the United States since state governments are back in session.  Our Rachel Malone is fighting for human rights in Texas.  Her site is Texas Firearms Freedom.  Rachel, tell us what’s happening in the Texas Senate.

………….

8 Laura –  Enough about Texas.  I’ve been sitting here waiting to tell you what happened when I was in Denver Colorado.
We have a republican senate and a democrat house.  We also have pro gun democrats!
Touch on divided legislature, and how that means nothing will likely pass.
Good news is magazine limitation repeal bill is bi-partisan.
CO has pro-gun democrats.
Tie to recall and 2013 gun legislation.  – no new gun control bills
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150203/colorado-a-long-day-in-denver-sees-mixed-results-for-gun-owners
http://gazette.com/gun-bills-pass-fail-colorado-legislature-committees-as-expected/article/1545653

D controlled house – mag limit repeal – killed
D controlled house – repeal background check –  killed
D controlled house – CBI produce certificates for transferees –  killed
D controlled house – Concealed handgun without permit –  killed
D controlled house – no liability for biz owners when someone conceal carries – killed
D controlled house – No background check for CCW holders on subsequent purchases – not scheduled yet
D controlled house – Concealed carry in schools (run by rep who is former Columbine student) – not scheduled yet
R controlled senate – Constitutional carry – passed senate, on to the house to die
R controlled senate – repeal background check – passed senate, on to the house to die
R controlled senate – mag limit repeal – to be scheduled – 4 D co-sponsors

people at the rally
https://www.facebook.com/events/325690874202170/
http://archive.9news.com/news/local/article/315750/346/Pro-gun-rally-continues-outside-state-Capitol

Comments- One of the anit-rights protesters said “No one will die from a background check”  Really?  Tell that to the nurse who couldn’t get her firearm back from the police.  Tell that to the police who don’t know how to interpret the law and have called the background check law unenforceable.  We won’t know how many people were hurt because they could not get firearms safety training BECAUSE of the background check law.

Rob- This is from the new york times.  Dickey Lee Hullinghorst, the Democratic House speaker vowed to quickly defeat pro-gun legislation, quote  “Absolutely no chance of passage. This is one of the controversial issues where we’re never going to agree.”  Was the speaker misquoted? Sounds like she wants to keep colorado citizens disarmed.

John 9 – Katie Pavlich added up the numbers.  Nearly 50 mayors have left Billionaire Bloomberg’s group Mayors against illegal guns in the last year.  Since so many of these mayors have been prosecuted for corruption, we’re not sure if Katie’s statistics include voluntary withdraws or if she also include withdrawals due to incarceration.  With that uncertainty, Mayor John Tkazyik of Poughkeepsie, New York is left the Bloomberg group recently.  Tkazyik explained in detail that Bloomberg’s anti-gun organization isn’t about enforcing gun laws, but instead about promoting gun confiscation.  Quote “MAIG became a vehicle for Bloomberg to promote his personal gun-control agenda — violating the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens and taking resources away from initiatives that could actually work to protect our neighborhoods and save precious lives.  It did not take long to realize that MAIG’s agenda was much more than ridding felons of illegal guns; that under the guise of helping mayors facing a crime and drug epidemic, MAIG intended to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens. I don’t believe, never have believed and never will believe that public safety is enhanced by encroaching on our right to bear arms, and I will not be a part of any organization that does.”

10-This is more good news, and it is also good to see where it came from.  Twenty-two percent of the concealed carry permits in Florida are held by women and the total number of permits has grown rapidly. Personal gun ownership by women has increased by nearly 80-percent in the last 9 years.  The firearms industry changed for women, from providing smaller firearms, different grips, and different classes tailored to female shooters.  The number of women at gun ranges jumped 60-percent  in the last three years.  The number of women in the State of Florida that have concealed permit has increased six fold in the last ten years.

That story was picked up by the NBC affiliate in Fort Myers, Florida

Comment- The people in Florida are the same as people anywhere else in the US.  Their behavior is different because the laws are different.  The growth in firearms ownership and personal protection we see in Florida tells us what to expect across the US once we remove government interference on the right of self-defense.  Now that scares the gun-grabbers.

11- I added this one as a spark of good news from California.  California has a law allowing mental health restraining orders.  These orders from a judge allow the state to seize a person’s firearms for up to a year.  Assemblymember Melissa Melendez, R-Lake Elsinore, is concerned that the existing law is open to abuse.  She said, Quote “Law abiding gun owners should never have to fear their rights can be stripped away because an angry ex or an angry neighbor wants to get even,” close quote.  Melendez wants to amend the law and make it a felony to file false reports while seeking gun violence restraining orders.

Rob- I messaged assemblywoman Melendez asking if she wanted to come on the show.  I also asked my state representative to support her bill.

Gun Quotes- If the average person is too irresponsible to trust with freedom, then how can we ever trust politicians with power?  Facebook.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob 1-Joseph Toombs is a young National Guardsman in Atlanta. As he sat in the drive-thru lane at his local Sonic restaurant, 19 y.o. Kenneth Brayboy and two others approached on foot and tried to rob him. One of them was armed with a handgun. It was then that Toombs drew his own handgun and shot Brayboy who later died at the hospital. Desmond McKnight. 17, has been charged with murder, attempted armed robbery, and tampering with evidence. Police are still looking for the third robber as well as the suspects’ gun. Toombs, who cooperated with police, will not be charged. Sonic is one of those restaurant chains that kowtowed to demands from Shannon Watts and Everytown. They had asked patrons not to come armed to their restaurants.

2-Christopher Ray Foster tried to force his way into the wrong home on Tuesday morning. He paid for it with his life. A rural Van Zandt County, Texas woman called 9-1-1 at 4:30am to report she had just shot a man trying to force his way into her home. The Sheriff’s Office determined that Foster was shot when he tried to break in through a side door. Materials found on his body tied him to a recent arson. In addition, Foster was out on bail for failing to register as a sex offender. The homeowner was not charged but, as is standard procedure, the case is being sent to the DA’s office.

Comment – I like what the local Sheriff said: “Presently, as the result of underfunding and inadequate staffing at the Van Zandt County Sheriff’s Office, homeowners need to take appropriate precautions to protect their families. I will continue to support the law abiding citizens of our community when they are forced to take actions to protect their lives, liberty and property.”

3-Riverside County Sheriff’s deputies were called to Bermuda Dunes early Saturday morning with reports of a prowler. While there, they got another call from a woman saying that her husband had just shot an intruder. They found the intruder inside the home suffering from two gun shot wounds. He was taken to the hospital where he later died. His name was not released pending notification of next of kin. The homeowner was not charged with any crime.

4-A home invasion in Madison County, Alabama turned deadly Monday night. Four people forced their way into a home there. The homeowner was armed and defended himself. When deputies arrived in response to a “shots fired” call, they found one of the intruders, Richard Taylor, dead. This was the second time that day deputies were called to the home on a burglary call. The homeowner will not be charged but the three other home invaders have been captured and are charged. They face charges of murder, robbery, and burglary.

Here we have a homeowner facing four attackers.  That is an argument for high capacity magazines.
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Laura- Welcome back to he ….This is our e-mail discussion segment.

Marty Krutolow asked for our comments on an article originally published in Slate magazine.  The article looks at data from the National Institute of Health.  It claims that more guns lead to more crime.

Marty, I’d counter with these data from Dr. John Lott.  It shows you the data of homicide rate versus the rate of gun ownership.  We lead in gun ownership.  We are average in homicide rate.

gun ownership rate versus murder rate

gun ownership rate versus murder rate

For your amusement, commentator Bill Whittle produced an interesting video on guns and violence.  It is called “Number One with a Bullet”.  We are 111th when countries are ranked by murder rate.  If you remove the leading Democrat controlled anti gun cities, then our US murder drops dramatically.  If the US had the murder rate of “gun nut” gun owning cities like Plano, Texas, then we’d rank 211th out of the 214 nations ranked.  Heavily armed Plano, Texas has a murder rate that is half of the rate in Germany.  So how do guns cause crime and murder?

Drug gangs, fatherlessness and poverty cause violence and murder.  Polticians ignore that fact because it is easier for a politician to blame guns than blame his policies.

Marty calls himself a gun owning liberal, and I say  welcome Marty, and thank you for listening.  We want to talk to everyone, and we know our listeners are not responsible for how their politicians vote.  In fact, it is the gun owning liberals who have to turn their politicians around.  Marty lives in New York State.

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Laura- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote that some rights are more equal than others.  Suppose we violated the right of free speech the way we violate the right of self-defense.  Laura, did they pass a ten word limit when you speak in Colorado?  Did they limit the size and power of a public address system?  When they imposed those limits on speech, did they explain that the government gets to speak as loudly as it wants to.  That is what we’ve done to the right of self-defense.

These infringements on your rights, and the politicians call them regulations rather than infringements, are necessary to protect the public.. or that is what the politicans say.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Laura Carno, Tatiana Whitlock and Steffon Josey for joining us today.  Rob, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Laura: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 309 – Reed Snyder

Personal news segment.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/309.1.mp3

News segment.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/309.2.mp3

Reed Snyder interview part 1.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/309.3.mp3

Reed Snyder interview part 2.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/309.4.mp3

DGU segment.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/309.5.mp3

Email and show close segment. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/309.6.mp3 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday February 8th 2015. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Reed Snyder of the AR15 podcast about his impressions of Shot Show

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a Yale university study that says getting shot may not be so random

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU segment we’ll cover a hitchhiker that brought a knife to a gunfight.

Rachel: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Gary: and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 309 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – This is the 3 year anniversary of the show. Feb 3rd 2012 I hit “record” for the first time.

Hello to Brian Williams

John – I didn’t get a chance to go shooting any this week. I did order a Ruger LC9s Pro as a carry gun for generally non-permissive environments. I used the cash that I brought to Vegas that I didn’t spend gambling which was virtually all of it for the pistol. We spent the weekend with my step-daughter who is due to give birth to our first grandchild in less than 2 weeks. All is well and we are getting more and more excited.

Rachel- Spent the past few days recovering from the flu…just happy to be mostly well now.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

May 16th and 17th Bob Mayne and Ben Branham BCC (handgun world dot com)

Aug 1 and 2 Ken Kowalski, Jon Hodoway and Chaz Murray Citizen First Response (Nighthawk Custom Training dot com)

Aug 15th and 16th Kathy Jackson (Susan at politics and guns dot com)

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A new study of those with non-fatal gunshot wounds in Chicago has some interesting findings. The study by researchers from Yale University found that the likelihood of being shot was not random. Rather it depended a lot on who you associated with. The researchers found that only 6% of those arrested were arrested with someone else at the same time. However, this 6% accounted for 70% of the non-fatal gunshot wounds over a six year period. Similar results were found in an earlier study of fatal gunshot victims. The study appears in the January 2015 issue of Social Science and Medicine.

– There was a shooting last night – Saturday – in a Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania mall that left three wounded, two critically. Dr. John Lott, who has been on the show in the past, notes that like earlier shootings in other malls this shooting took place in posted against guns. Yet again, a so-called gun free zone is anything but. In a change from the past, the AP reported the fact that guns were banned at the Monroeville Mall.

-The North Dakota House approved legislation on Tuesday that would allow firearms in schools. The bill would allow North Dakota residents with a carry permit to carry in the school if they had the school’s permission. The bill passed 53-38. The bill’s sponsor Rep. Dwight Kiefert said that allowing firearms in schools would increase security especially in rural schools. He added, ““Most school shootings are over in five minutes. If you don’t have someone at the school, law enforcement’s role will only be an investigation.” The bill was opposed by several school administrators and school board officials. A similar bill passed in 2013 but was killed in the State Senate.

-A limited campus carry bill has stalled in the Arkansas House. The House Education Committee split 10 to 10 on advancing the bill. It was Republicans supporting the bill and Democrats opposing it. The bill would have allowed college professors with concealed carry permits to bring their guns on campus. The bill was opposed by university chancellors. Joel Anderson, chancellor of the U. of Arkansas – Little Rock said, “I do not want to have several hundred employees on campus carrying guns.”

-Gun control showed its racist stripes in an interview at the Aspen Institute on Friday. In a long ranging discussion touching on topics such as legal marijuana and guns, Michael Bloomberg claimed that  95 percent of murders fall into a specific category: male, minority and between the ages of 15 and 25. Cities need to get guns out of this group’s hands and keep them alive, he said.

“These kids think they’re going to get killed anyway because all their friends are getting killed,” Bloomberg said. “They just don’t have any long-term focus or anything. It’s a joke to have a gun. It’s a joke to pull a trigger.”

-The anti-gunners in Congress are still beating the drum for a 10-round magazine limit. Rep. Elizabeth Esty of Connecticut and Sen. Robert Menendez of New Jersey introduced the Large Ammunition Feeding Device Act on Thursday. It would “include not only traditional box magazines, but also any, “belt, drum, helical feeding device, or similar…” than can be converted or made to accept more than the allowed round limit.”  The bill is not expected to go anywhere and, like most bills, is a publicity device for their sponsors.

-Speaking of anti-gun politicians, California State Sen. Leland Yee is facing more charges. A Federal Grand Jury has issued a second superceding indictment against Yee. He and his co-conspirator are accused of depositing money from his gun running into his Sec. of State campaign account. The new charge accuses Yee of conspiracy to commit money laundering.

Gun Quotes

“I began teaching my son how to shoot when he was two, starting with the basics of a BB rifle. My theory is that kids get into trouble because of curiosity–if you don’t satisfy it, you’re asking for big problems. If you inform them and carefully instruct them on safety when they’re young, you avoid a lot of the trouble. My son has learned to respect weapons. I’ve always told him, if you want to use a gun, come get me. There’s nothing I like better than shooting.” –Chris Kyle

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with an interview with REed Snyder of the AR 15 Podcast.

Segment 3 Interviews

Reed Snyder of the AR15 Podcast is our guest this evening.

Segment 4 DGUs

-(Knife to Gunfight)  A Henderson County [KY] resident taught a hitchhiker a valuable lesson: Never bring a knife to a gun fight. Henderson police said Corydon resident Raymond Givens, 45, was driving in the area of Henderson Community College around 1 a.m. last Friday when he stopped to pick up a hitchhiker. Givens told authorities that the male hitchhiker pulled a butcher knife on Givens and demanded his wallet. Givens then pulled his handgun on the hitchhiker and told him to get out of his vehicle.  At that point, the male hitchhiker jumped out of the car and started running towards Corydon.

-(Employees Defend Themselves) A suspected robber was rushed to the hospital Friday afternoon after he was shot during an attempted robbery. Memphis Tennessee Police responded to a shots fired call shortly before 3:30 p.m. Two people were working inside of the home when two other men entered and attempted to rob the workers at gunpoint. One of the robbery victims then shot one of the suspects. The wounded suspect was transferred to Regional One in critical condition. The other suspect fled the scene and is still on the run as of Friday evening. The workers were with Americas Best Carpet and Tile Cleaning.

-(Reader submitted DGU) Chris sent our next DGU in to us. Reading right from the Guns n freedom dot com website.

An 11-year-old girl was able to scare off a suspect — later taken into custody — during a home invasion in Lapeer County’s North Branch Township.

Deputies from the Lapeer County Sheriff’s Department responded around 3:45 p.m. Friday, Jan. 30 to a Five Lakes Road home where the girl was home alone when a vehicle pulled into the driveway.

A Lapeer County Sheriff’s Office news release states one person knocked on all the doors and forced their way inside the home when there was no response. The girl locked herself inside a bathroom closet with a shotgun.

The suspect eventually opened the bathroom door and closet where the child was hiding with the weapon. The girl aimed the shotgun at the suspect, who then fled from the home.

Police said the girl was not harmed during the encounter.

The suspect’s vehicle was located around 30 minutes later in Imlay City by local police, with assistance from the Almont Police Department, Michigan State Police and Lapeer County Sheriff’s deputies.

Two occupants in the vehicle — a 53-year-old Detroit man and 31-year-old Detroit woman — were taken into custody without any resistance and remain at the Lapeer County Jail pending formal charges.

The case remains under investigation by the Lapeer County Sheriff’s Office.

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Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

This one came in today from Tony.

Black History Month Diversity Shoot at Gun For Hire range

 

I am hosting a pro Second amendment shoot at Gun For Hire range located in Woodland Park NJ of February 19th. The 50 yard indoor range will be reserved for a group of twenty participants to shoot from 6pm – 8pm. Range fees are $25 per hour.

This event is to raise the awareness of non-stereotypical firearms enthusiast to the difference they can make in New Jersey’s political scene. This event is open to all people that are pro-2A, we can only win against the gun-control zealots if we are united.

I will be there with Sean Fisher from Black Bag Resources.com to hand out literature and answer questions about joining the NRA, NJ2AS or ANJRPC. He and I have been or are members of all three.

The range charges $25 an hour to shoot there and they have everything you need to have a great time. They have rental guns, ammo, targets, safety equipment plus range officers to help insure a safe environment for everyone. Rental and ammo are an addition fee.

I would like to thank Anthony Colandro from Gun For Hire for all of his help. I also want to thank Sean from Black Bag Resources.

Thank you,

Tony

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Jeff sent me a link to a YouTube video. Apparently Speer G2 ammo is out. The YouTube video that is linked isn’t very complimentary of it, and being one that chooses Speer Gold Dot for my own carry ammunition that is concerning to me.  I like what they are trying to do, but will wait for more testing to come in.

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Kevin sent in an update to a Christmas morning shooting in the Anaheim area. It seems that the homeowner will not be charged after shooting a home invader.

I love this portion of the story taken from the OC Register website.

While several legal and self-defense experts questioned whether the shooting was justified, many concluded that the District Attorney would not file charges against the homeowner.

Lawrence Rosenthal, a former federal prosecutor and criminal law professor at Chapman University, said prosecutors would have a tough time convincing a jury that homeowner committed a criminal act.

“Once the burglary is over, the right to use deadly force disappears, but as a practical matter, jurors are going to be very much on the side of the homeowner, thinking, ‘I probably would have done the same thing in those circumstances’ and they will want to acquit,” Rosenthal said.

There is more to the story, check our show notes to get the link to read up on it yourself.

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John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

Before I went to SHOT Show, I had been thinking about doing a post that contrasted the booth babes – pretty girls, skimpy clothing, don’t know much about the product – with the accomplished women of shooting like Julie Golob and the like. In a time when women are the real growth segment of the gun culture, booth babes are out of date.

I did the post but it didn’t come out like I thought it would. I really didn’t see the booth babes while I was at SHOT. To me, that was a pleasant surprise. I think this is because the industry is maturing and the marketing departments recognize the role of women in the gun culture.

The post has been tweeted and mentioned by Julie Golob amongst other which makes me very happy.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Reed Snyder for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 308

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Superbowl Sunday February 1st 2014 , I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about one of Bloomberg’s anti-gun groups messing up again, and this time it could land them in court.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the possible end of Operation Choke Point
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a 74 year old successfully defends himself against a home invader
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and we also have a lot of listener email to cover.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul:  Episode 308 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I cut my hand.  I couldn’t type, or go to the range or dry practice.  I’ve been talking about us so much that I ran out of podcast business cards.
John – The only thing shooting related is that I used a discount coupon that I picked up at SHOT to get a high quality trigger from ALG Defense at 30% off. Other than that, it was back to the routine of work and teaching.
Paul – Trip home from Shot Show, visiting grandkids, trying to outrun Snowmageddon, possible changes to show.
Rachel- I’ve been a musician for the past few days. Just dreaming of range time and listening in on the rodeo at the Capitol.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.
May 16th and 17th Bob Mayne and Ben Branham BCC (handgun world dot com)
Aug 1 and 2 Ken Kowalski, Jon Hodoway and Chaz Murray Citizen First Response (Nighthawk Custom Training dot com)
Aug 15th and 16th Kathy Jackson (Susan at politics and guns dot com)

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Seg 2- News

Paul-John Edeen posted on the website Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership.  His article is called A tale of two cities.  On this podcast we have reported when doctors defended themselves.  John reminds us of when they could not defend themselves.  Quote ”We should not have to run afoul of the law or hospital policy to be able to defend ourselves in our workplaces.”  Medical professionals can follow these pro-rights doctors at www.drgo.us

Paul-Former mayor of New York Michael (guns protect me but not thee) Bloomberg’s Everytown group had to do quite a bit of backpedaling and may be in line for a lawsuit in the near future. Last week they put out a study that stated …

In its latest report, titled “Hiding in Plain Sight,” Everytown monitored guns for sale on three primary websites and in a sting-like move posted 24 guns for sale on a popular arms website between July 28 and Oct. 9.

Some 169 potential buyers responded. Investigators hired by the group checked criminal backgrounds and found that seven of the 169 were prohibited by law from possessing firearms.

By extrapolating the data, “gun sales transacted on just three websites put an estimated 126 guns into the hands of felons and domestic abusers in Vermont — and likely many more — in this year alone,” the report concluded.

The only problem is that AT LEAST 6 of those 24 advertised guns were from a single FFL in Mount Holly Vermont. Not only did Bloomies group pretty much just make things up to fit their story they now may face a lawsuit from the owner of Crossfire Arms, who has hired a lawyer to explore his options.

Paul- We’ve reported on Operation Choke Point in the past. It was an effort by the Justice Department in conjunction with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation to label gun stores, among other businesses, as “suspect” and “risky”. This past Wednesday the FDIC back off and reversed their stance. They said that banks should assess risk on a case-by-case basis. The FDIC said banks shouldn’t decline “to provide banking services to entire categories of customers without regard to the risks presented by an individual customer or the financial institution’s ability to manage the risk.” Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer, a Republican from Missouri, had introduced legislation to outlaw the practice. In a statement he released Wednesday, he said he had met with the FDIC chairman and vice-chair. In that meeting they had acknowledged “wrongdoing” on the agency’s party and would be having their Inspector General look into who was responsible for it. Luetkemeyer plans to keep going forward with his legislation on the matter.

Rob- the power to make arbitrary administrative decisions is the power to act as a tyrant.  The FDIC can act as god with their phone and their pen.

Gary -Kentucky is taking steps to speed up the process of getting a concealed carry permit. The Kentucky State Police are now taking applications online and will now issue permits within 15 days rather than the old 60 days for paper applications. Applicants are still required to pass an in-person training course on Kentucky law and basic firearm safety, undergo a background check, and have a valid email address. This program which began in mid-November has had several hundred people take advantage of it. The sponsor of the law that enabled the changes, former St. Sen. Sara Beth Gregory, defended the program against Democrat critics saying, “”The faster we can be responsive to people’s applications, the better the system is. Speeding up the process to approve people who should be approved is not a bad thing.”

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2:11 Gary -DEA and ATF considered using license plate cameras at gun shows to “aid gun-trafficking investigations.” DEA head Michelle Leonhart denies that they ever implemented the idea. The potential program came to light due to a FOIA request by the ACLU which was looking into a DEA database that tracked the movement of vehicles within the United States. The primary goal of that database is asset forfeiture and it has been used by state and local law enforcement agencies since 2009. Asked about the program, the NRA said that they would have no comment until they learned more about it.

Rob-comment Do you remember the gun owners harassed in Maryland.  We have years of license plate data here in San Diego.  Now we have lawyers asking if that data can be subpoenaed, or if the data has to be destroyed.

Waze posts where police officers are parked. Sheriffs Want Waze’s Cop-Tracker Shut Down

Gary -If we pushed gun ownership underground for 30 years, there would be no gun ownership in 40 years.  That is why we ask you to take friends shooting, particularly young friends.  We want to build the culture of responsible gun ownership.. and the anti-rights politicians want to destroy that culture.  New York Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal introduced a bill to ban children under 12 years of age from gun shows.  The bill was referred to committee.

Rob- will they prevent nursing mothers from attending gun shows?  How about children in snugglies?  You can take your 12 year old and his friends to the gun show, but they have to be left home alone if they are 11?  How does that promote child safety?

John- In an update to a DGU we talked about recently, the Owner of She’s a Pistol will re-open her store for training after her husband was killed in a shootout with some armed robbers a few weeks ago. Owner Rebecca Bieker is re-opening the training portion of her Shawnee, Kansas business and is not sure when the gun shop will re-open. “We will not stay down but will get back up and fight,” Bieker expressed through a spokesperson and on social media.

Rob- comment- I remember her comment after her husband was murdered in their shop.  ‘Don’t tell me guns are evil.  My husband just saved my life with a gun.’

John- In another update, we have some news from Virginia Citizens Defense League president Philip Van Cleave.  11 anti-gun bills were killed late this week in separate Virginia house and senate subcommittees.  A handful of bad bills remain alive, and between the House and Senate and most of the pro-gun bills are still alive as of now.

John- North Dakota state representative Dwight Kiefert introduced a bill to allow some teachers to carry concealed at school.  The proposal would require teachers or staff to first undergo training with local law enforcement. Kiefert said the bill is for rural school districts where law enforcement is particularly far away from campus.  As you would expect, state education officials told the State House Education Committee that they oppose the bill.

Contrast the education officials response in North Dakota with the attitude we saw in rural Texas.  There the principal said everything that happens at home also happens at school, and his teachers can and must respond to all of it.

Rachel- Gun Quotes- All governments suffer a recurring problem: power attracts pathological personalities.  It is not that power corrupts, but that power is magnetic to the corruptible.  Author Frank Herbert

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.
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Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- (OLD MAN AT HOME)
This happened a few hours before sunrise in the Southgate area near Detroit, Michigan.  A 74-year-old man was woken up by the sound of breaking glass at the back of his home.  The homeowner looked inside his home and then headed back to his bedroom where his wife was still in bed.  Before the homeowner could call police, the intruder climbed through the back window and pointed a gun at the homeowner.  Fortunately, the homeowner was armed as well.  The homeowner shot the intruder.  The homeowner was not injured.  The intruder died at the scene.  Police took fingerprints of the dead intruder and a toxicology report is expected within a week.  The investigation remains open and the police do not expect charges against the homeowner.  The homeowner said, “It’s a very quiet neighborhood. This isn’t something that we normally have happen.”

Rachel- (FEMALE STORE CLERK)
This next story is from Blytheville, Arkansas. Three men wearing dark clothes and hoodies entered Dominos Pizza after 9pm.  They announced a robbery and demanded the money in the cash register.  Sarah Cherry is the store manager.  She was in the back of the store and came to the counter when she heard the shouts.  The robbers shot at Sarah as she came through the back door.  Sarah Cherry was armed.  She shot back.  The suspects ran.  No one was injured.  Police are looking for the suspects.

Rob- (INTRUDER HELD AT GUNPOINT)
This story is from John’s neck of the woods in western North Carolina. A neighbor called John Painter Monday afternoon to tell him that a suspicious car was in his driveway. When he arrived home, he found the door pried open and Joel McMinn, 35, inside. Painter “grabbed his pistol”, ordered McMinn to the floor, and then called 9-1-1. When McDowell County deputies arrived, they charged McMinn with felony breaking and entering.  Richelle Bailey, the McDowell County Sheriff’s Dept. spokesperson said your top priority should be safety. If you can detain the suspect safely, that’s OK. “If not they should always just go away, go back to their car, go to a neighbor’s house, whatever, call 911, and let us deal with it.” She added that concealed carry permits were on the rise and that intruders should think twice.

Rob- (FLORIDA COLLEGE STUDENTS)
Two University of Central Florida students are lucky that they live off campus. Nour Skargee (Scar-GEE)  and his girlfriend Sable Nehme (NAY-me) were the victims of violent home invaders on Wednesday. The intruders knocked on their apartment door and then forced their way in when Skargee opened the door. They forced him to the ground and put a gun to his head. The intruders then announced they were going to kill Ms. Nehme. She retreated to her bedroom where she retrieved a revolver.

“The only thing I could think was, ‘I need to figure out a way to protect us,'” Nehme said. “I grabbed the gun from out here in my closet. I pointed it at them, because he has busted through my door.” Both the intruders ran when they saw Ms. Nehme with the revolver. She said her father had given her the revolver for protection. Police later said the intruders’ weapon was actually a pellet gun.

Paul- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

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Gary- Listener e-mail discussion

1 )Chris wrote in and sent us a link to a story that says that a bill has been introduced in Congress that would make it a felony to own body armor.

Thanks for writing in Chris. I love it when the listeners send us links in email as it seems that they have our backs. And honestly with us not having a show for almost a week it can be easy for some stories to slip by us.

Honestly I think that Bill Clinton has more of a chance to be elected pope than that legislation getting through the House of Representatives, but we will keep our eyes on it.

Paul- 2 )George in Houston also wrote in

Hi Paul,
Enjoy the podcasts very much. I’m in Houston so am following the TX situation.
Since you are soliciting suggestions, I have a couple:

  1. When doing a news piece on a replica gun incident, you might get used to saying “the gun turned out to be a replica or fake, or pellet gun.” The antis never say this, implying that the police or whoever knew it was not a real gun or should have made sure first (how I don’t know, maybe by getting shot).
  1. One of your callers said he listened to a lot of podcasts, as do I. What I do now is speed up a replay (using DPC or digital pitch control) by using a Sony AX412 portable device. There are others, like the Sony BX140, which is cheaper. I am not an iPod person so I don’t know if that is available there. Many podcasts can be heard reasonably well at 120% or 130% speed. DPC seems to be relatively rare in the overall player universe, and you have to hunt it down. The Sonys I mentioned are no longer made but are available on ebay. the smaller BX140 can be had used for around $25.

Thanks
George S.
Houston TX

rob- I’m a droid.

Paul- 3 ) We got this one in just as we were getting ready for today’s show
I recently discovered your podcast and find it very enlightening. There’s very little mindless banter and I do like the format. I am from Aberdeen, South Dakota but recently moved to rural Minnesota for work reasons. It is very exciting to hear this quality of work coming out of Sioux Falls. I thank you for your time and efforts and will continue listening. Sincerely
Dr.Cliff

Paul- We do have 2 voice mails that have come in since we last had the full studio set up up and running, however it is REALLY difficult to play those on the air when I am sitting in the truck in Baltimore. I will be doing this dedicated run for another 1 to 2 weeks and then we will go back to recording at ABN on Sundays. As soon as we do I will get those voicemails on the air. But please don’t stop sending them! Call 605-215-1438 and we will air yours as well!

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote an article called Rules for Them, and Different Rules for You if You Have a Gun.  I noticed how many of the anti-gun public figures have armed security.  What can I say?  I’m weak, and that post wrote itself after I saw the pictures.  By the way, most of the pictures their armed guards standing with Michael Bloomberg and Rosie O’Donnell have been scrubbed from the online image collections.  Thank you, Miguel Gonzalez for your Google-foo.

Walmart video man tackled- http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/22/video-legal-gun-owner-gets-tackled-florida-walmart-vigilante

Rob- I also have a second article coming out where I compare our first amendment rights with our second amendment rights.  What would it be like if the government treated our right to speak and to assemble the same way they treat our right to armed self-defense.  We would be offended if we needed a permit to speak. And once we got that permit, then there are further restrictions on the number of words we can speak at one time.  That is because the government can’t let us speak too fast or too loudly.  These speech restrictions only apply only to citizens. People who speak for the government can use all the words they want.  They speak very loud indeed.  The government says it is only regulating our right to speak, not infringing on it.

It sounds absurd when I describe these restrictions on our right to speak, but this is exactly the way we infringe on the right of self-defense today.  The article is called “Some Rights are More Equal than Others.”

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did a couple of posts earlier this week on the confirmation hearings for Loretta Lynch. She is President Obama’s nominee to replace Eric Holder as Attorney General. I pointed out that Operation Fast and Furious surfaced in the hearings starting with Chairman Chuck Grassley’s opening statements and continuing with testimony from reporter Sharyl Attkisson and law professor Jonathan Turley. Attkisson described how DOJ froze her out over her reporting. Turley, a liberal who voted for Obama, attacked the Administration’s use of executive privilege to withhold documents concerning Fast and Furious. He also attacked their refusal to prosecute Holder over his contempt citation by the House of Representatives.

Rob- did you read the DOJ Voxsplain their hacking.

(Paul)Before we go I do want to mention that we are working on some REALLY cool guests for upcoming shows. I have been exchanging texts, emails, phone calls and other forms of communication with Ben Branham, Mike Hughes with NextLevel Training (the makers of the SIRT pistols) Grant Cunningham, Ken Kowalski and Chaz Murray and others setting up future interviews.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 307 – David Cole, Andrew Rothman, Philip Van Cleave

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  We’re recording on Wednesday, January 28, 2015. I’m John Richardson.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll get the news from Andrew Rothman about the gun owners lobby day in Minnesota, and with Philip Van Cleave on the lobby day in Virginia.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and I’ll comment on SHOT show before we dive into the news, so climb aboard.
Rachel- strap in
John-  and hang on!  Episode 307 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John- Welcome back to the personal news segment powered by the firearms policy coalition.
Rachel- I was at the Capitol last weekend, but not as a gun lobbyist – for once. I attended the annual pro-life rally with thousands of other Texans. To me, it’s essentially the same issue as gun rights – I’m supporting innocent life. I have a call in to Lt. Governor’s policy director to ask some direct questions regarding his blatant carelessness about open carry. Other than that, I’ve been working very long days at the music business, as one of my major events for teh year is this weekend.
Rob- I’ve a few notes left over from from SHOT show.  First, I didn’t recognize the salesmen at the Beeman airgun booth.  Beeman was bought by Shanghai Airgun.

Second- I checked the 4H booth after a homeschool mom asked me about their firearms training for youngsters.  4H does NOT share their firearms curriculum.  It is not available on their website.

Daisy does share firearms safety courses for children. http://www.daisy.com/education

Third- a listener asked me to lay hands on 380 pistols and share what I learned.  They were particularly interested in the Kimber 380s.  380s as a class are small and light.  They were designed to be a concealed carry gun.. a pocket gun.  They are small, and maybe they are too small and too light for you.  They are hard to shoot well.  More than any other gun, you have to shoot them to know if they fit you, and if you like them.  YOU need to shoot them, not your spouse and not your friend.  Certainly not me.  You need to shoot them for two reasons.

My hands are up in the 80th percentile size for males, so what fits you might not fit me.  I’m also a recoil junkie, so what I like might not be to your taste. You  have to know the particular gun fits you, and that it is reliable.  Many 380s are not.  I can say this with certainty, 380s are not a good gun for beginners.  Do not start your firearms training with a 380 in your pocket unless you’ve already taken a course that taught you to present a loaded firearm from a concealed holster.

Why is that?  Many of the 380s have the same bore over hand distance of a 9mm.  The 9mm is typically larger overall, but the trigger and feed mechanisms do not shrink in proportion to the bullet diameter.  You NEED to grip the gun because the resistance of your body is necessary to force the frame forward against the recoiling slide.  The gun will fail to feed if you don’t grab it firmly.

Kimber 380
Square and sharp front sight.  That is unusual for a concealed carry handgun since it catches on a pocket or holster.
Exposed hammer. Manual thumb safety.
Good single action trigger and trigger reset for a 380.
High bore over hand distance.  That causes a little more muzzle flip.
7+1 capacity

I needed a magazine extension for me to get all of my fingers on the gun.

Walther 380-  worse trigger and worse bore over hand compared to the kimber.  Slightly larger frame so it fit my hands a little better.

Kahr- the trigger is best described as industrial.   (I’ve used vice grips that were smoother and more positive.)  Worse barrel over hand distance.  They have different models with slightly longer grip length to fit your hands.

KelTek- Could only fit one finger on the grip in addition to my trigger finger in the trigger guard.  That leaves two fingers on the magazine.. and the mag wobbled in the mag well.

Finally- I also looked at the Boberg pistol. It is advertised as shorter in length than conventional striker fired and hammer fired guns.  It is.  The distance from the front of the trigger to the back of the slide is about an inch shorter than similar firearms.  It is hard on ammunition because of how it cycles.  It needs ammunition with a solid crimp to run reliably.  The factory tells you what ammunition to use.  Range reloads are not on the list.  I’ve heard owners swear by it, and gunsmiths swear at it.

comment -John – Both Browning and Rock Island Armory are coming out with ¾ size 1911s in .380. I did shoot the Browning one at Media Day and it was nice.

John- After a week in Las Vegas, it is hard to get back into the swing of things. I almost need a vacation from my vacation at the SHOT Show! Even though I saw a lot of stuff there, I missed a lot as well. For instance, I missed that Colt is re-releasing the Colt 1903 in a limited edition. l also missed a lot of the new companies that were on the first floor.

Given that I missed a lot of companies, that means I need to go back again next year!

The SHOT Show is as much about people as it is about product. I was introduced by trainer Paul Carlson by Grant Cunningham who has been on this show. They both are on The Gun Nation Podcast. Both Rob and I got to meet Tatiana Whitlock who has done videos for NRA Women and who has produced a video on guns and kids for Panteao Productions. She has agreed to do an interview in the future. I also got to meet Laurel Yashimoto at Michael Bane’s shindig. She writes for the Shooting Wire, is an active competitor, and is an Orange County sheriff’s deputy. She was a high school teacher who went into law enforcement after one of her students was sexually molested because she wanted to do more to stop it than she could as a teacher.

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Seg 2- News

-We gave you a short report that Sheldon Silver was arrested in New York.  Democrat Silver was the speaker of the state assembly.  He was one of the politicians you paid off if you wanted legislation passed in New York.  He sponsored the New York SAFE act.  He got that legislation passed as an emergency measure in the early hours of the morning.  He was arrested for taking millions in bribes.  He was charged  by a U S Attorney, but will be prosecuted by career democrat prosecutor.

Rob- any bets?  John, Sheldon Silver remains in office.  He has not withdrawn as speaker of the senate.  Has he been corrupt enough, long enough to be successfully prosecuted in New York?

-Former Nevada lobbyist Harvey Whittemore was convicted for circumventing campaign finance limits.  He laundered contributions to US Senator Harry Reid as far back as 2007.  Whittemore distributed $145,000 to 17 relatives and employees.  Each of these third parties  then made the maximum contribution of $4,600 to Senator Reid’s campaign.  The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Whittemore’s conviction on Monday.  Senator Reid has blocked all the pro- self defense bills in the Senate.

-I bet Reid doesn’t like gun owners very much.  TV commentator Bryant Gumbel doesn’t like us at all.  He hosts HBO’s program Real Sports. Gumbel said, and I quote, “There are a few things I hate more than the NRA. I mean truly. I think they’re pigs. I think they don’t care about human life. I think they are a curse upon the American landscape.”  close quote.  Our friend, and fellow NRA member David Cole wrote about Mister Gumbel.  Welcome back to the podcast, David.  What did Mister Gumbel say and where did he say it.  (David Cole interview)

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Gumbel is justifying bigotry and preparing the road to abuse by dehumanizing gun owners.
BMW was going to use Gumbel in a commercial.  I wrote BMW.  I got a form letter in reply.

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We appreciate the time you have taken to share your thoughts.  Please be assured that your comments have been forwarded to the appropriate department for review.
The BMW Customer Relations and Services Department is available Monday through Friday from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., ET.  You can reach us at 1-800-831-1117.
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-The DC police had gone so far as to draw up arrest documents for NBC broadcaster David Gregory.  The DC attorney general squashed his arrest.  The DC Police Department warned NBC News that it could not possess an actual high-capacity magazine in their DC studio.  NBC News did it anyway. The police recommended a warrant for Gregory’s arrest.  They prepared that warrant, but failed to serve it after D.C. Attorney General Irvin Nathan said Gregory was just too nice a guy and had no other criminal intent.  David Gregory was also useful to the District politicians.  That attitude towards possessory violations of DC gun law is  very different when compared to how the D.C. Attorney General has vigorously prosecuted lesser-known people who also were nice people and had no other criminal intent.  There really are a set of laws for famous people, and a different set of laws for us.

Rob- we knew that before, but the blog legal insurrection and judicial watch got us the evidence in black and white.

-While we’re talking about corrupt DC bureaucrats.  The District of Columbia issued its first concealed handgun carry permits. There are now eight civilians who can legally carry a firearm in the nation’s capital. That is about one person for each 80 thousand civilians in the district.  More of the new DC applications have been denied than approved.  The City Council adopted a “may issue” law which denies the ordinary citizen a permit.  The DC city council required 18 hours of training and 110 dollars in application fees.  They also require that each  applicants prove to city officials that they have been threatened and have police reports on file.  The licensing process is condemned by rights activists.

DC also certified a few more trainers to teach the required 16 hours of classroom instruction and 2 hours of range training.  Six trainers have been certified, so that leaves one and a third customers per trainer.

-Speaking of training, we met Tatiana Whitlock at the SHOT show.  She starred in a educational video made by Panteo Productions.  Panteo has a line of videos that focus on competition and survival training.  This one is different.  This video is free on Youtube. It is called “Kids & Guns with Tatiana Whitlock”  It includes use, storage, and education.  Of course we have the link in our show notes.

-Reporter Tim Steller of the Arizona Daily Star in Tucson published a piece about serious misconduct and intimidation from DOJ attorneys.  Their misconduct arose when former ATF agent and whistleblower Jay Dobyns sued the government.  One of the recently unsealed documents was from presiding judge Francis Allegra.  The judge said the Justice Department attorneys had “committed fraud on the court.”  The Department of Justice asked ATF agents not to investigate the arson that burned down Dobyns house.  Agents were threatened, and  Department of Justice attorneys ordered ATF agents not to report the threat to the court or the agents would face repercussions.

-This article was sent in by listener Anthony.  Gun rights activists staged another rally at the Texas state Capitol as they asked for open carry of handguns without a license in Texas.  This time they wore holsters, and the holsters were not empty!  They were stuffed with rolled up copies of the US and Texas Constitution, with bananas, and with cans of hairspray.. since that was all that Texas law allows.  Texas hasn’t allowed open carry of handguns, with or without a license, since right after the Civil War.

-Why does open carry matter?  Let’s take an example from Florida where open carry is forbidden.  Michael Foster was standing in a parking lot when he saw that a man was carrying a firearm.  Foster followed the 62 year old black man, then tackled and choked the gun owner as he entered Walmart.  The black man is Clarence Daniels.  He is a concealed carry holder.  The only possible charge against Mister Daniels is that he let himself print as he got out of his car.  Florida resident have been charged for printing before Florida laws were changed.   Foster was arrested, taken into custody and charged with assault and battery.

-Let’s keep going. Jonathan Romans is an active member of both moms demand action and the coalition to stop gun violence.  He comments on their pages a lot.  Romans has openly called for harassment and violence against law abiding gun owners.  He said, “..when a stranger enters a public place armed, ask to see his permit.  If he produces one, cross your fingers.  If not, then tackle him, or shoot him, because then it will not be too late.”

Does that mean we get to tackle  Bloomberg’s bodyguards?  How about the armed guards protecting Shannon Watts, Rosie O’Donnell, Piers Morgan, Chuck Schumer, and Dianne Feinstein?  Can we tackle and disarm them too.  Shannon says that all firearms owners are crazy gunmen.

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-We talked about a rally in Austin Texas last week.  Human rights activists also rallied in Minneapolis, Minnesota to defend the right of self-defense. Andrew Rothman is with us to talk about Minnesota gun owners lobby day.

Our first gun owners lobby day at the capitol when legislators were in session.  We had 230 volunteers at the rally.  We visited every legislators.  Some left the capitol, and some refused to meet with us.  Our citizen lobbyists were encouraged.  We’re looking to pass a law to allow hunting with suppressors in Minnesota.  Our biggest opposition is from big city police chiefs.  They have stated their opposition to all gun bills.  That puts the chiefs in sharp conflict with our sheriffs.

Our volunteers are pretty smart.  We helped them set up their meetings with the legislators.  We gave them a list of issues we’re working on this year.  We expect our volunteers to bring their friends to the next hometown meeting in their local legislative districts.

-Rally in Richmond, Virginia.   Phil Van Cleave about lobby day and their recent legislative success.  This past Monday a Virginia Senate committee killed Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s gun control bills. Now on Thursday, the VA General Assembly takes up a bill that will allow lifetime concealed carry permits. Reporter Emily Miller was one of the speakers at the VCDL Lobby Day rally and now the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence wants her fired. They have a petition up saying she violated journalistic ethics by speaking there.

700 people.  VCDL walked into every legislator’s office, though a few offices were empty.  Governor McAuliffe’s anti-gun bills died, but one may have been resurrected.

Comment- I guess they hate both the Second and First Amendments.

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-In other state news, bills before the Nebraska legislature allow armed security at private schools.  Another bill recognizes lawful aliens and military spouses so they meet state residency requirements when applying for a handgun application.  The bill also lets legal gun owners to store a gun in a vehicle parked outside a business where they’re employed.

-Constitutional carry is being considered in New Hampshire.  The republican legislature allowed concealed weapons back into the House Chamber. Now they have a bill granting constitutional carry so  you don’t need a state-issued license in order to carry a concealed gun.  New Hampshire is already an open carry state, meaning if you can buy a gun you can carry it in the open. But if you want to carry a concealed firearm, you need to apply for a license to your local police. The constitutional carry bill would allow anyone who can legally own a gun to carry that firearm concealed.  The bill is sponsored by the Senate Majority leader.

Rachel (comment) – Constitutional Carry has also been introduced in South Dakota.

-My day job is as a financial advisor.  I can quote you chapter and verse about compound interest making your future secure.  In this next news story I’m not talking about money.  We’re talking about the growth of firearms owners in Iowa.  They changed the concealed carry laws in 2011 and allowed multi-year carry permits.  The Iowa legislature also reduced their training requirements. After those changes,  concealed carry applications grew by 55% each year.  That is almost a 6 fold increase since 2010.  1 in 14 Iowans now have their carry license, or 1 in 10 eligible adults.  That means firearms rights are secure in Iowa, and growing more so.

– Texas’ brand-new Lt. Governor Dan Patrick is working on damage control after statements he made about open carry in the Texas Senate. He was elected in a highly-contested four-way primary last year. Gun owners favored another candidate, so Patrick had tried to convince us that he was our candidate by saying he’d support open carry. Earlier this week, he issued the following statement: “Open carry is important, but I don’t think there is support in the Legislature to pass it. The votes have not been there.” (end quote) He said he didn’t consider open carry a priority, and indicated he didn’t intend to bring it to the floor of the Senate. The people of Texas responded by flooding his facebook page and phone lines in support of open carry and constitutional carry. Patrick issued another statement today: “Now that SB 11 (campus carry) has support and is moving toward passage we can focus on other 2nd Amendment issues, including open carry, which I have consistently supported.” (end quote)

Rachel (comment)- Morals of the story:
#1 – don’t trust campaign statements. There are always ways they wiggle out when push comes to shove.
#2 – phone calls and facebook comments CAN apply effective pressure.
#3 – Patrick’s “baby” was changing the Senate rules to require only a 3/5 majority, not 2/3. That came up for a vote and passed. All the Republicans supported their fellow Republican Lt. Governor in voting for it…that is, all except Senator Estes, who is carrying the licensed open carry bill. Anybody think that could have anything to do with Patrick trying to stonewall open carry?

Texans, make your voice heard: Call Patrick’s office at 512-463-0001.

Rachel- Gun Quotes- This quote was sent in by listener Matthew Martin.  “It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion.”  That quote is from William Ralph Inge who was an English author, an Anglican priest, a professor of divinity at Cambridge, and Dean of St Paul’s Cathedral.
rob What have you done lately?

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Segment 4 DGUs
-An armed robber walked up to a surveyor working a job site in Miami, Florida.  The robber pointed a gun at the surveyor and demanded his money.  The victim said he didn’t have any money, so the robber demanded the victim’s cellphone and told him to get on the ground. The victim complied, but while he was on the ground the victim took out his own gun and shot the robber.  The robber was taken to Broward General Medical center with non-life threatening injuries.  The surveyor’s employer said surveyors are often robbed of their surveying instruments and computers.

-Tai Carr was one of several people attacked outside a friend’s home in Houston Texas. Carr face was severely beaten with a pistol.   Another friend arrived at the residence, and the robbers then forced everyone inside at gunpoint.  In the confusion, Carr slipped back outside and retrieved his handgun from his vehicle.  Mister Carr then went back inside the home and shot one of the robbers.  The second robber fled at the sound of gunfire.  The wounded robber died in minutes.  Quote “it was over instantly.”  Police found the second robber, 23-year-old Marquez Romero Heckard, hiding in the bathroom of a nearby Wendy’s restaurant. He was holding the gun used in the robbery.  Heckard was charged with assault last year.  Now he faces aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon.  He is being held without bail.

-A crazy man broke into a couple’s home in rural Racine County Wisconsin.  He entered through a back room window, and stood over his victims before the male homeowner woke up and fought him.  The female homeowner grabbed her gun and shot at the intruder.  The intruder fled, but not before he slashed the male homeowner’s throat.  Police followed the intruder’s tracks to a local home.  The intruder kept a journal where he planned his attack and said he planned to kill the couple.

-A robber entered the Grand Slam Market near Nashville, Tennessee.  The robber was wearing a mask.  The thief drew his firearm, pointed it at the clerk’s face, and demanded the money in the cash register.  The 52 year old store clerk is named Jeff Sloan, and Sloan opened the register.  The robber took the money and started to walk away.  That is when Sloan drew his own firearm. The thief turned back towards the clerk and the store owner who were in the store.  The clerk shot the thief in the chest.  The thief had six prior convictions for aggravated robbery and a conviction for facilitation of kidnapping.  The thief hit a tree and a fire hydrant as he tried to drive away.  The thief was taken to Vanderbilt University Medical Center where he is in stable condition.

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Listener e-mail discussion

from Jason in Texas
Hi Rachel. What is going on with different groups pushing different pro gun bills here in Texas. Shouldn’t we all be pushing for the same thing? Thanks

Rachel- Not necessarily.
First off, I support everyone’s right to support what they want. I never tell anyone what bill they must support or oppose. I just try to give accurate info, and I share my reasons for why I support what I do.

Sure, I wish everyone would join me in supporting constitutional carry (HB 195/SB 342) but hey….I see lots of good things from people supporting different things in different ways.

1 – It shows that we’re all thinking for ourselves – that we’re supporting our own beliefs, not parroting someone else’s.

2 – it changes what people view as “radical” and moves “moderate” our direction

3 – lots of bills isn’t a bad thing. duplicate bills are common. It increases the popularity it a popular thing to do. It gives us more options – if some don’t make it through but others do, they can be potentially amended to have the language we wanted

4 – people learn the process better and stick with it more since they have to research for themselves….they’re not being spoon-fed

Rob- I use Popvox to lobby my representatives.  I support H.R. 419 The Knife Owners’ Protection Act. A pocket knife should not be the way a policeman forcibly enters a citizen’s wallet.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

The next article is called the twisted mirror of gun control.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

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John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Phil Van Cleave, Dave Cole and Andrew Rothman for talking with us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rachel: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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