Episode 276 – Zombie Run

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, October 15, 2014. On tonight’s show we’ll present an After Action Report on the Zombie Run and we’ll talk about self-defense news

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – Not much in the way of shooting news to report. However, I did receive my invitation to Media Day at the Range for the SHOT Show. It means I can do more than just look with regard to some of the new firearms coming out. I’ll be able to actually shoot them!!!

Rob- Ammo arrived.  I felt like a ammunition pusher delivering a package of lead and brass to a friend.  One box with a thousand rounds of 45 is heavy!

Rachel- not much. Prepping for a LadySeed I’m shoot bossing in Fredericksburg this weekend.  I have a wedding gig Saturday evening so I’m going to have to figure out some way to go straight from the range to a formal event without having range hair…all the ladies will understand.

Seg 2- News
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ROB – In California, we recently passed a law that would let a doctor take away your means of self defense.  A mental health professional, a cop or a family member could ask for a firearms restraining order.  This will be abused.  It will also be ineffective.  How do we know the new law will not stop the mentally ill?  Because some crazy people are evil, and they lie.  The young murderer who shot up the Arapahoe High School in Colorado planned his attack.  The murderer called himself a “psychopath” in his secret diary.  The murderer vowed revenge for slights dating back to elementary school.  He was a discipline problem at school and threatened the debate coach.  The murderer wrote that he wanted to commit QUOTE “mass murder and be in a place of power where I and I alone are judge, jury and executioner.”  CLOSE QUOTE

To the rest of us, that is a clue.  The murderer was required to take two mental health evaluations within a few months of his murders.  One was a threat assessment by a school psychologist.  The second evaluation was by therapists at a private behavioral clinic.  They determined he was a low-level threat.  Yes, then described him as a threat in their reports.  So how did this murderer pass the mental health screening designed to detect sociopaths?  The murderer tellls us in his own words.  In his diary, the murder said, “Let the record show I lied through my teeth (during) the test.”

The proponents of firearms registration said they will keep us safe.  They would take guns from people who are crazy, criminal or corrupt.  You’d have to be crazy to believe them.  Similar laws are proposed in New York.

 

RACHEL – Allison Lundergan Grimes is running for political office.  She is currently the Secretary of State in Kentucky.  She wants to be the next senator from Kentucky.  Grimes recently spoke to a board of editors at the Louisville Kentucky Journal Courier.  It isn’t news that politicians say different things to different audiences.  Now we can find out when they say one thing to one audience and say something else to a different audience.  The Weekly Standard has a copy of Allison Grimes briefing notes for the newspaper editors.  Grimes was told to say-

support “strengthening background checks,” on firearms

don’t take a stand on “closing the gun show loophole.”

“disagrees with Obama on gun control by saying “We shouldn’t be banning guns based on things like their grips as a bill supported by Obama tried to do.”

Note that Grimes does not have a clear position against banning guns for other reasons.  The Democrat Senate Committee has stopped all funding for Grimes in her election bid for Senate.

John – comment – despite her waffling on whether she voted for Obama despite being a delegate for him, she has come out for universal background checks. I did a blog post on it a couple of weeks ago.

JOHN- Susan Happ is the Democrat candidate for Attorney General of Wisconsin. On Monday, she called for universal background checks on all gun sales. Perhaps it is only a coincidence but that same day her opponent Republican Brad Schimel received the NRA’s endorsement for Attorney General. In response to her call for universal background checks, Schimel said that criminals don’t fill out government forms. He says the real problem is prosecutors don’t enforce laws barring felons from possessing guns.

ROB – In further proof that keeping university campuses gun-free zones is not a great idea, police at the University of Illinois issued a public safety alert for the Champaign-Urbana campus. This came after four separate incidents of battery and strong armed robbery by a roving mob of black males. They randomly attacked five people for what University Police say was “seemingly no reason”. The incidents happened early Saturday morning. There is speculation that these random attacks were actually part of a gang initiation ritual. Police in the area had noted the rise of street gangs as either affiliates of Chicago gangs or stand-alone gangs that later affiliated with the Chicago street gangs..

RACHEL – How is that gun-free campus working for you in Washington DC?  A group of eight students at Catholic University were robbed at gunpoint.  This happened in a wooded area on campus thursday evening.  Two men approached the students.  They drew a handgun and demanded their Phones, backpacks and wallets.  The students, two women and six men, were unarmed.

JOHN – The Bloomberg-affiliate Moms Demand Action has been running a campaign against Kroger because they won’t kow-tow to demands to forbid legally owned firearms in their grocery stores. This next story illustrates why giving in to the Demanding Mommies would be dangerous. Champak Rana of West Chester, Ohio went to the Kroger Monday evening to pick up his wife. While using the bathroom, an armed man put a gun to the back of his head and demanded his wallet. Rana complied and the man ran from the store.  Police are looking for the armed robber.

The Bloomberg Moms are now perversely using this incident as an example of why legal carry must be banned in Krogers. They said Kroger customers “should not be responsible for determining if someone in the store holding a gun is a criminal or merely making a political statement.”

ROB – On Monday, the US District Court for Idaho ruled that the Army Corps of Engineers cannot ban the carrying of firearms for self-defense on Corps property. The case, Morris v. US Army Corps of Engineers, challenged the total ban on firearms and ammunition used for self-defense. There are limited exceptions for hunting on Corps property. The court said the Corps’ existing regulation violated the Second Amendment under any level of scrutiny and enjoined its enforcement in Idaho. Chief Judge B. Lynn Winmill limited it to Idaho as the plaintiffs only challenged its application on lakes and in campgrounds in Idaho.

RACHEL – Here is what happens if you live in a country where there is no Second Amendment and no Fourth Amendment. The Home Secretary in the United Kingdom issued new guidance to British police regarding firearm regulations for England and Wales. He said that police could now make unannounced home visits to gun owners to check on the security of their firearms. The police can do this if they have a concern that the gun owner might be vulnerable to either theft or terrorism.  A dedicated Crimestoppers hotline has been established to report concerns. Given that the Government reports only about 475 firearms (out of a total of 1.8 million) are stolen annually, the British Assoc. for Shooting & Conservation has called this law “unnecessary and inappropriate”. The Countryside Alliance is asking shooters to contact their MPs about the campaign as it  ““encourages an untrusting and vindictive attitude from your friends and neighbours”.

ROB – I’m writing an article about Mexico.  Some students from a teachers college protested against the corruption of their local government.  The police herded them into vans.  They were later found in several mass graves.  We think the police gave the students to the local narcotics gangs who killed them.  Today the students and faculty burned down the state capital.

JOHN – Loudon County (Tennessee) Commissioners voted 10-0 on Monday night to take down the signs banning carry in the county’s office building. The idea to do this came from Loudon County Mayor Buddy Bradshaw. He said the gun ban was outdated. Bradshaw continued, “”What the gun signs in effect did was disarm a law abiding citizen, and I didn’t feel comfortable being a part of that. “I think this makes us safer. In my opinion removing the signs is the same thing as removing a bullseye.” As to the Courthouse and Annex, removing signs there will be up to the sheriff.  There remains a “no guns” policy for city employees, but the mayor said that might change too.

ROB – 17-year-old Atiya Haynes, a Michigan honor student, was expelled from school after security guards at a high school football game found her pocketknife in her bag. Her grandfather gave her the knife to protect herself as she biked between southwest Detroit and Dearborn for her summer job, and she’d forgotten she’d left it in her bag. The school is allowing her to take online courses in order to graduate, but because of a zero-tolerance policy for weapons she’s not allowed to physically return to her school.

RACHEL – To me, this story screams out about ceding control of our kids to the government and thereby subjugating them to governmental regulations. Whether we’re talking about guns, self-defense, or raising our kids: if we do not take responsibility, we lose freedom. THIS is why I have chosen to homeschool the brother I’m raising. So I can teach him as I wish, so he can learn about freedom, so he can learn the purpose and use of firearms, so he can be a member of a polite society.

RACHEL – Governor Cuomo must feel confident about owning New York.  He has proposed a second version the gun control act called the New York SAFE act.  Safe act 2 would include-

  • All weapons must be stored with a safety locking device or in a safe storage depository.
  • Requires all semiautomatic pistols must microstamp the ejected case.
  • Ban all weapons larger than 50-Caliber.
  • Adds business practices, recordkeeping, reporting and a million dollar liability insurance requirements for all firearms dealers.
  • Requires that all firearms sold in New York are child safe.
  • Citizens can only buy one gun a month.
  • imposes a 10 day waiting period.
  • Requires every bulled to be etched on the base with a unique code.
  • Requires mandatory quarter million dollar liability insurance for each gun owner.
  • Reduces the period of a pistol permit to two years from five years.  The period of the pistol permits used to be lifetime before the first safe act reduced them to five years.

This looks like the cultural purge New York Democrats have always wanted.

Gun Quotes - John

“How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.”  Texas state representative Suzanna Gratia Hupp

Segment 3 Interviews

After Action Report – Zombie Run at BattleRoadUSA

Segment 4 DGUs

JOHN – A man brought a knife to a gunfight at a Northeast Philadelphia [PA] supermarket late Sunday afternoon.  The two men didn’t know each other.  They were in the parking lot outside the Pathmark grocery store.  That is where the younger man started the argument because the older man “looked at him for no reason.”  The younger man then pulled a 13-inch serrated hunting knife and threatened to cut the other man. The older man asked the aggressor several times to drop the knife.  The younger man refused, and attacked him instead.  The older man then pulled out his 9mm Glock and shot the knife-wielding attacker in the groin. The attacker was taken to the hospital in critical condition.  The defender has a valid concealed carry license.  No charges have been filed.

RACHEL – An Alabama man was walking along a trail in an Alabama park.  It was just at sundown when the walker was approached by a man carrying a large stick.  The man demanded his money and his wallet.  The victim presented his firearm and the robber fled.  The victim gave a detailed description of Bobby Dean Hall, age 40, of Sylacauga, Alabama.  The police picked Hall up, and the robber is now in the Talladega county jail until he makes bond.  The armed man is unhurt.

ROB – 1:30 AM is a strange time to buy a bag of chips. A customer brought a bag of chips to the counter at a British Petroleum gas station in Saint Louis, Missouri.  The customer also brought a handgun and pointed the gun at the store manager while demanding the money in the till.  The manager drew his own handgun.  He shot the robber in the leg, the buttocks and the hand.  31 year old Roosevelt Yancy was taken to the hospital where he remains in stable condition.  He is charged with attempted robbery and armed criminal action. A judge set bail at $150,000 cash-only. I noticed that the news already had a police photo of Mister Yancy, so I’d guess he has a criminal history. The 23 year old store manager and a 26 year old clerk were not injured.

JOHN – Pennsylvania State representatives Marty Flynn and Ryan Bizzarro were walking home from the capital at about 11pm.  The pair were approached by several teenagers and a teen driving a car.  One of the teens pointed a gun at the legislators and demanded their money.  Marty Flynn is the representative from Scranton.  He is also a former prison guard, a mixed martial arts fighter and a professional boxer.  He drew his licensed handgun and fired at the teen.  The crew of teens fled while the legislators called 911.  The provided a description.  The police found them.  And the legislators positively identified the teenage robbers.  Police recovered the firearm used in the incident. The teens were charged with attempted homicide, aggravated assault, robbery, conspiracy to commit robbery, possession of a firearm by a minor and a curfew violation. I assume these two Pennsylvania legislators are pro-self-defense.  I wonder how the democrats, Flynn and Bizzaro feel about the Pennsylvania attorney general working to stop reciprocity with other states. 

Segment 5 Email and Show close

Rachel- This e-mail came in from listener William Harvey.  Hello, William, and thank you for writing.  He says-

Hello all,

In a recent program you responded to an email I sent and it ended up a discussion about revolvers and that they were no longer viable primary defensive arms. Even though I normally carry a semi I do at times carry a wheel gun as my primary carry gun. Just depends on my mode of dress and the situation. I don’t feel under-gunned when I do so either. It is all a matter of how you train and what you practice. With a semi a lot of time is spent practicing doing failure drills. With revolvers you spend your time practicing reloading.

I’m not saying the revolvers are superior to semi-autos and I am not saying they are inferior. Both have the advantages and their disadvantages. (I.E., every cloud has a silver lining and every silver lining has a cloud.) The best choice depends on the situation. Maybe you should try to find a wheel gun expert as a guest. Maybe Grant C., from gun nation.

My question about the defensive gun use refers to the clerk that shot two of the robbers and had the 3rd shoot him and got away. Everyone said he did a great job and I have to agree 100%. When the story first aired, it was mentioned on 2 shows, Rachael asked, “Wonder if he had training?” A good question and something I also wonder. My question comes from what was next said. One of the guys, don’t know which one, said, “I hope so.” I have to ask, WHY?

It would seem from all the comments everyone seems to think he did a great job. He certainly did better than a lot of police in that he was able to hit 2 of his targets and kept a level head throughout, something that training may not instill. So why, after the fact, does it even make any difference if he had training or not? In other words, why do you hope so?

Not intended as a criticism but just curious.
William Harvey

Rob comment- I hope everyone who carries has training because a lethal weapon is the wrong place to learn from your own mistakes.  If I remember correctly, the clerk was open carrying a 45.  The robbers had hoodies pulled tight around their heads.  The clerk was backing out of the store when he bumped into the fourth criminal who was a lookout waiting at the back door.  The lookout shot him in the hip.

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Episode 275 – Kevin Coyne

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday, October 12, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talk with Kevin Coyne (coin) about a constitutional militia
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the campaign to stop gun violence trying to get a sheriff in trouble because of his beliefs
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we talk about new research from Dr. John Lott Jr.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a domestic violence incident that turned into a DGU.
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have a discussion about Packing your bug out bag
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 275 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – Range day yesterday, 30-30 still kicks and is still fun to shoot, and reasonably accurate. 50 yard shots with a Glock 22 can me made, but aren’t easy. Tannerite REALLY goes boom when you put 15lbs of it under a TV.

Morons at gun nuts radio and gun nuts media (Caleb Giddings) and why I am changing who I do my firearms business with. (I will try to do a better outline later on this topic, but it is going to get ugly. I am PISSED off.)

While getting ready for range day and doing some research for show notes I ran across Robert Palmer on YouTube “Addicted to Love” 45 vs 17 at 45 I realised that the women in the video couldn’t actually play the instruments that they were holding in the video. Still don’t care, the BEST music video ever! (had to do the math to find out how darn old I am.

www.gunownerssociety.com Black Deer Hunter started it and asked if I would help setting up a place for the polite Society Podcast. I have done just a little bit with it and will do more as time allows.

John – I spent yesterday afternoon at the Land O’ Sky Gun Show working at the Grass Roots North Carolina booth. We handed out tons of voter guides evaluating all candidates from state house to US senate on how they stand on gun rights. The guides provide the info but it is up to each individual to make the decision for whom to vote.

Attendance was less than last year at this time but I think the gun buying hysteria (for lack of a better word) is over. Prices are returning to normal though I didn’t price any .22 LR ammo. I was able to pick up some ammo at decent prices.

Rob- Dry practice.  Writing.  The good news is my ammunition arrived.  The bad news is I wasn’t home to sign for it.  I get to pick up my shipment on Monday.

Gary D – Show and tell

Rachel- I killed zombies!!! I got to kill ‘em in the burning hot sun on Friday, just under 100 degrees, hot and dusty. Then a cold front blew in and the participants ran in freezing cold rain, sloshing through the mud, on Saturday.  I was impressed that everyone still showed up.  I grabbed 5 participants for an interview, and we’ll air those interviews soon. Personally, I met my goals for the run – to carry more gear and to improve my overall time. I also learned some helpful things about myself and how I can improve my abilities. One thing I learned: I do WAY better when I quit overthinking everything and just tell myself I’m gonna go kill the zombies!

Break
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Seg 2- News
Gary -We’ve left the age of law and entered the age of bigotry.  Here is the latest proof.  Wicomico (wy-KAHM-ih-koh) County Sheriff Mike Lewis said he would stop an un-constitutional overreach by the federal government if the feds tried to seize firearms from honest citizens in the state of Maryland.  The Sheriff said such an overreach could lead to a civil war.  The way I read it, the Sheriff was trying to stop such a civil war from starting in the first place.  Sheriff Lewis’s direct statements were too much for some Bloomberg Gun Grabbers.  The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence wants Wicomico County Sheriff Mike Lewis’ teaching certification to be revoked.  Sheriff Lewis teaches and serves on the Maryland Police Training Commission.  The only way a certification could be revoked is if the Training Commission calls for a staff review.  That staff review would be the result of a request; the review would determine whether the person has violated any commission regulations.  Anyone can make a request.  We will see if the Maryland Police Training Commission has been so politicized as to silence a sheriff who recognizes the oppressive actions of a federal government and respects the rights of his citizens in Wicomico County.
Rob comment-  This is a political hit.

John – CSGV considers Sheriff Lewis a “thought criminal” and they want to be the Thought Police. There is a great way to respond to it. Do as I and David Codrea have suggested. Sign the petition in the name of a famous tyrant.
Comment – You mean like Stalin, Hitler, or Pol Pot.
John – That is exactly what I mean. I used Heinrich Himmler who was head of both the SS and the Gestapo.

Rob- Doctor John Lott writes and researches at the crime prevention research center.  Mass public shootings, where the shooter intends to commit mass murder in a public place, have not “exploded” over the last five years, as frequently claimed in the media.  The mass murders have not increased either in terms of the number of attacks or the number of people killed.  Indeed, the evidence points to a slight decline.  When the public shootings involve so-called “assault weapons” the attacks were no more deadly than those attacks involving other types of weapons.  Quoting Doctor Lott, the new data from the FBI is so full of errors, “Their numbers should not be relied on for any type of policy analysis.”

Rachel- I’ve criticized county bureaucrats for their political decisions.  Now I say thank you and well done to the Board of Commissioners in Lee County, North Carolina.  The commissioners recinded a ban on civilians carrying fireams in most county buildings.  The vote was 4 to 3.  The  reason is fascinating.  The North Carolina General Assembly passed a law last year that now allows local governments to set firearms policy.  This will lead to a patchwork of laws that vary from county to county, and town to town.

Council Chairman Charlie Parks said he supported the measure “to have another layer of security,” because people already bring concealed weapons into government buildings, despite signs on doors that prohibit them.  “We’ve already had reports of that – about people who don’t have permits and are actually illegal in what they’re doing.  What the signs do – they just tell the criminal that it’s a target-rich environment, where they have the ability to utilize their weapons if they want to.”

Chairman Parks gets it.  Thank you, Sir.  There are four other counties that have a similar ordinance.  The new rules go into effect in 2015.

John -Continuing on in North Carolina, Grass Roots North Carolina will be seeking an injunction against Agriculture Commissioner Steve Troxler’s decision to post the North Carolina State Fair against carry by concealed carry permit holders. This decision flies in the face of a recent change in law that allows concealed carry holders to carry at assemblies that charge admission. The only state properties that are posted against carry are the State Capitol, the Executive Mansion, the Governor’s Western Residence, and courthouses. The State Fairgrounds are not on this list, they are not considered private property, and they aren’t considered a local government. Legal experts has cast doubt on Troxler’s efforts to post the fairgrounds. With the State Fair opening on Thursday, we should know by next weekend if NC judges can read the law.

Paul- We’re told we must restrict the human right of self-defense because that right is simply too dangerous to allow in our modern society.  We’re told a lie.  The obvious question we have to ask the many Bloomberg funded groups is this- firearms are too dangerous compared to what?  Professor AWR Hawkins puts firearms accidents into perspective.  We are 69 time more likely to die from accidental poisoning than from a firearms accident.  We are 41 times more likely to die in an accidental fall than from a firearms accident.  We are 10 time more likely to die from either accidental suffocation or accidental burns than to die from a firearms accident.  Despite those numbers, we don’t need a license to have household poisons.  There isn’t a 10 day cooling off period to buy matches.  We don’t have one-ladder-a-month laws.  That means the 23 thousand firearms regulations we have in the US.. are NOT about public safety.  Those regulation are about control.  Thank you, Professor Hawkins for looking at the data from the Center for Disease Control.

Gary -This next news item will really upset Bloomberg’s moms.  A civic group is raffling off a kid’s rifle to help fund playground equipment for a rural school.  This  one-room school house is so remote that it takes an hour to reach a paved road.  The Crown King School in the Bradshaw Mountains has a dirt playground except for the basketball court.  Troop 1-A of the Arizona Rough Riders Historical Society donated a Henry Goldenboy model .22 rifle as the grand prize and raised over $300 dollars for the school.

Rob- With apologies to co-host John Richardson and my wife, both of whom worked on campus,  some faculty have a strange view of firearms in the real world.  The University of Wyoming Faculty Senate voted on a position paper for the Wyoming legislature.  Faculty Resolution 325  said there was no need for firearms on campus, and that guns frightened them.  The Faculty Senate ignored the statistics that  there are a million sexual assaults on campus each year.

Oklahoma’s higher education chancellor, Glen Johnson, spoke for the presidents of the Oklahoma  public colleges when he said universities unanimously oppose allowing more guns on campus.  Quote “We don’t see a scenario where permitting the carrying of weapons on campus does anything but add to the danger.” Close Quote.

The Chancellor ignores the 11 thousand robberies that happen each year in college dorms where students are supposed to feel safe.  It ignores the assaults on and near campus where the chancellor wants students, staff and faculty disarmed.

John- Faculties on most campuses and in most departments have been taken over by so-called progressives who believe government should have the monopoly on force.  They remember the facts that support their leftist opinion, and ignore the inconvenient truth that we are our own first responders.
Rachel- facts are stubborn things.  These are the people we let teach our children.
Paul- at taxpayer expense.
rob- gun control.. like Mexico.

Rachel-John, you described the political bias of faculty.  That brings another article to mind that really shows political bias, but it has a happy ending.  In Corvallis Oregon, a subcommittee of the Corvallis City Council held a hearing to discuss a ban on open loaded carry of firearms.  Second Amendment supporters showed up and spoke up.  It looks like the voice of self-defense was heard.  The vast majority of the testimony was for the right to bear arms.  One gentleman who testified was a VietNam Veteran.  He was the first person to testify, and he was offended by the Cuban flag stuck to the back of a laptop belonging to a member of the city’s sub-committee.  The veteran noticed that nowhere in the room was a Flag of the United States on display. The (Police )Chief and the (City)attorney seemed to be trying to say in as diplomatic of a way as possible that the proposed ordinance banning loaded open carry was meaningless. It changes nothing in the way the officers would be able to respond. If no procedural changes, why go forward?
comment- good for Oregon firearms owners.  You have to show up and speak up to win.
comment- they did.. so far.

Gary -Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper has flip-flopped his opinion on firearms more times than a fish out of water.  After the murders in an Aurora movie theater, Hickenlooper said he was skeptical that new gun regulations could stop criminals.  Hickenlooper flopped again after the murders at Sandy Hook elementary school when he agreed to universal background checks.  Note that universal background checks would have done nothing in the case of the Sandy Hook murders.  Note that the Colorado’s universal background checks in place, they did not stop the 2013 Arapahoe High School attack.

Maybe Governor Hickenlooper is not convinced by facts.  Colorado sheriffs told him the new laws were unenforceable.  Hickenlooper signed these restrictions into law after talking with the Bloomberg organization on three separate occasions.
rob- So money talks?
comment- Looks like it.

BREAK

Paul -Well the mayor of Saint Louis Missouri is consistent in his anti-gun position.  Mayor Francis Slay called for a federal or state ban on all guns in major US cities.  Quote “Our neighborhoods will not be safe until there is federal – or, failing that, state – action to stop the flow of handguns through our cities. I have repeatedly called for that in St. Louis.” Close quote.  The mayor said this was necessary after a recent shooting in Saint Louis.  18 year old Vonderrit Myers, Junior, was out of jail from a previous gun charge.  He was wearing an ankle monitor to report his location to the police.  Mister Myers also had a stolen gun and shot at police three times before the police shot back and killed him.  That is why Mayor Slay says all citizens.. except the police.. should be disarmed.
Gary comment- The law says that criminals can’t have guns.  That law doesn’t work, so we need more laws?
John comment- you can’t make this stuff up.
Rachel comment- any excuse for an anti-gun press release.

John-Speaking of being disarmed, Chuck E. Cheese is one of the few chains that ban firearms categorically at all locations. So in further proof that gun free zones really aren’t gun free, in comes this story from Charleston, South Carolina. The West Ashley Chuck E. Cheese was hosting several birthday parties Saturday night when an argument erupted and gun shots were exchanged. Two men were taken to the hospital by ambulance. Charleston Police questioned everyone as they left but only found balloons and birthday gifts. They are asking anyone with information to contact police.

Rob – Guns in a gun-free zone, and the couldn’t find a firearm after the event?  The suspects must have used a ghost gun to wound those two men.

Rob -We’ve talked about the battling initiatives in Washington State.  Now the Washington State Republican Party has endorsed Initiative 591.  They did so after a meeting of the Washington Republican Party Executive Board. They also joined the Washington Council of Police and Sheriffs, Washington State Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors Association, and 17 county sheriffs in opposing initiative I-594. Bloomberg is putting millions into the campaign.  The National Rifle Association launched a video featuring “the 30 cal gal”, Seattleite Anette Wachter.  Anette is a member of the U.S. Long Range Rifle Team. Her message focuses on the law enforcement opposition to I-594.

Paul- I tried repeatedly to get a spokesman to come on the show and advocate for initiative 591, but they don’t return my calls.

John- I watched the video.

Gary – Martin Niemöller First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Rachel- Good news from NSSF, in a press release earlier this week they stated that the majority of americans believe that “gun violence” is a criminal justice problem and not a public health problem. In the press release NSSF says that more than 8 out of 10 americans believe that the Centers for Disease Control should not spend any funds on studying “gun violence”, but instead should concentrate on viruses and diseases .

rob- that means that two out of 10 citizens believe my doctor should give me firearms advice.

Gary- ABC7 news in Washington DC is reporting that DC Councilmember David Grusso is suggesting that DC disarm the police, saying that “Officers shouldn’t have guns”. Grusso, speaking at a hearing on the stop and frisk policy of the district police department when he stated, “I think we ought to get rid of guns in the city and that police shouldn’t have guns.” Grusso then went on to state that his staff urged him not to share his opinion.

Paul- They voted for this crazy guy in Washington DC.

Rob- You heard how this joke ends.  Citizens should be disarmed because they should call the police.  The police should be disarmed because they can call the national guard.  The National Guard should be disarmed because they can call the US armed forces.  The US armed forces can be disarmed because they can call the United Nations.

Paul- That hasn’t worked any better for the citizens in Syria than it works for the citizens of Washington DC.
Rachel- The non-violent stuff will get you killed.

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Paul- We told you that Washington DC was going to pass a very restrictive carry law.  DC Mayor Vince Gray signed legislation this week that defined who can legally obtain a license.  The bill is valid for 90 days until the city council holds public hearings.  Here are some of the many restrictions an honest gun owner faces in DC.

  • The law establishes a 1,000-foot “no-carry zone” around presidential motorcades and other large events involving dignitaries and public officials.  That said, you must receive notice of the event and then fail to leave the zone in order to be arrested.
  • The law prohibits licensed gun-holders from carrying guns into government buildings.
  • There is no reciprocity.  You can apply in person in DC and try to convince them you have a need to carry in the district.  Good luck with that.  The law is there for their convenience, not yours.
  • Living in a bad area does not justify demonstrated need to be issued a license.  Having a stalker does.
  • Guns are prohibited on public transportation. We can’t have poor people who use public transportation carrying guns.
  • The legislation prohibits guns in universities and schools.  I wonder what they teach in civics class.
  • Guns are restricted anywhere alcohol is served, so you can’t go to a restaurant in DC if you’re carrying.
  • Open carry is outlawed.

comment- Will any of these laws restrict the actions of criminals.
comment- They never have.  These new laws won’t either.

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Gary- This comes from our regular guest and prolific author Kathy Jackson.  She reminds us what it means to train for self-defense.  Kathy said-
“Education is mentally learning what to do.
Training  is physically learning what to do under the watchful eye of a coach who can correct any errors you might unintentionally make.
Practice is repeatedly doing the task until it’s second nature.
Testing is doing what you’ve been taught, trained, and practiced, under conditions that allow you to objectively measure how well you can do the task.
Reading a book or watching a video isn’t training. Competition isn’t training. Regular practice isn’t training. All of these are good things, but none of them are training.”

Rachel- Training is physically learning what to do while a coach corrects your mistakes.  Practice is repeating the physical action perfectly until it is second nature.  Training check!  Who needs training?

Paul-Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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John -A San Antonio homeowner heard a man breaking into his Jeep at 6:30am on Friday morning and, after he armed himself, he confronted the burglar. He was holding the man until police could arrive when the burglar made a run for it. The homeowner then shot him in the leg but the man managed to get away. The burglar showed up at a hospital later Friday morning with the wound where police arrested him. It is legal in Texas to use deadly force to protect property.
John- Yes but we are not cops and it is not our job to hold people for the police.

Rachel- A man was shot in Ottumwa, Iowa. Clinton Leedom had a history of domestic violence that stretched back several years.  He threatened to kill his wife several times.  On the day he died, Leedom repeatedly put a knife to his wife’s throat and threatened her.  He did it again and his wife shot and killed him.  The county attorney ruled Leedom’s death as self-defense.

Paul- some politicians would like to see Mrs. Leedum disarmed.  They would prefer a dead victim rather than a dead assailant.

Rob- This next DGU takes place in Boone County, Missouri.  William Harper entered a residence looking for someone.  The residents said the man Harper wanted wasn’t there.  Harper refused to leave, pulled a gun and began beating the residents.  The residents shot Harper.  He was treated for his gunshot at a hospital and taken to the Boone County Jail.  Harper was charged with trespassing, assault, and unlawful use of a weapon and remains in jail until he produces a $5,500 bond.  The assault took place at 2AM.
Paul- nothing good happens after midnight.
Gary- this sounds like a midnight debt collection for a drug deal.
Rachel- Why would you open your door to a stranger at 2AM.
Paul- Why would you open to a stranger unarmed?

Rachel- Gun Check?  Where is your gun?

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at
Polite Society Podcast.com   We hope you’ll share them with a friend.

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Email from Jacob

Hello again, folks – You may remember me as the bisexual who write in some time ago about “coming out” as a gun owner, and how it compares to “coming out” as LGBT.  Let me say that I truly appreciate your response – It was very encouraging, and has actually inspired me to take serious steps towards getting a local chapter of Pink Pistols started (It’s a national organization promoting CCW in the LGBT community).  I’ve had a chance to take a couple of LGBT friends shooting since I last wrote in, and it’s amazing the change it makes in someone when they realize that guns aren’t just something bad guys can use against them, but also something they can use to protect themselves.  I’ve inoculated at least two so far in the past few months, and I plan on more.  I’ll have to start etching tally marks in my rifle stock to keep track of how many conversions I’ve caused.

Anyway, I wanted to weigh in on the trainer who refuses to teach Muslims in her courses.  While I understand where she is coming from, and (like Paul) support private businesses’ right to deny service to anyone, including the rights of bakers to not bake cakes for gay weddings if they so choose, I am truly torn on this topic.  While I do believe the trainer has a right to not do anything that makes her feel uncomfortable, this is religious discrimination, pure and simple, and that bothers me.  It’s a civil rights issue, and we wouldn’t tolerate it if she said “No jews” or “No black people,” but because of a number of atrocities committed by a violent and uncivilized minority within the Muslim community, public opinion in the US is so against Muslims that we seem to be okay with this.  It’s not actually illegal as far as I can tell, because religious discrimination appears only illegal in the fields of employment, housing, public facilities, and a few others, but I don’t think it’s right.

As much as the rest of the country hates the Westboro Baptist Church, nobody is refusing to serve Christians because they’re technically of the same religion as the Westboro Baptists.  Why would we refuse to serve Muslims because they happen to share the same religion as some extremist nutbags like the Taliban?  If we have reason to believe that someone is dangerous or extremist, then by all means we should avoid them and definitely not teach them to shoot, but just because someone is Muslim doesn’t mean they’re dangerous.

For the record, I don’t follow any organized religion, and have my issues with almost all of them.

rob- if your religion tells you to enslave or kill me, then no, I don’t have to serve or instruct you.
Rachel- well said, Rob.

Rachel- The next email is from Thomas

Hello
This letter is in response to the instructors who refused teach any Muslim shooter. While l do believe that a business should have the right to refuse to provide products or services to somebody, as long is that refusal is not racially motivated.  Most of us have met a few nasty customer that we would love to bitch slap and kick their asses out on to the street!  But a refusal based on upon a person’s religious beliefs can be discriminating in nature.

That being said, l refuse to instruct any female Muslim shooter how to shoot!

Now my problem with female Muslims is that l am not allowed any physical contact with them.  The husband insisted that l tell him first, then he would address issue. Umm……..no way!

While am teaching a first time shooter, l stand very close behind them and watch them like a hawk. And l stay close until l feel confident that you are following my instructions and being safe.

You must do everything that l am instructing you to do! If your muzzle direction become unsafe, then l have to take control the situation physically at times.  If  l have to stop your hand or any arm movement, then l will stop it! Or if it is a minor issue, l may tap you on the shoulder as well as a verbal command. Sometimes the noise level in a range may be quite loud and a tap on the shoulder may be required to get your attention.  But since l am forbidden to have any physical contact with these students, l lose the ability to safely control my environment.

While this a rare occurrence and it has only happened to me once. My safety concerns for the group, outweighs any respect for a religious belief!
Thomas

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Blogs and articles-

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

The organization Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership reposted my old article on armed women.  So did author L. Neil Smith  I wrote a new article about activism and the Gun Rights Policy Conference.  I meet a lot of people who say they support armed self-defense. It is hard to take them seriously if they can’t get themselves to the GRPC.  John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John – I did a post yesterday about the late Marshall Brown. He was a reporter that passed away on Friday. I say reporter and not journalist because that is what he was. The reason I did a post on an old reporter is because he was one of us – a gun guy who believed in gun rights. Though he had received a number of awards from the Associated Press, his most cherished award was the James Madison Award for Journalists from the Second Amendment Society. Given the state of the mainstream media at all levels, it will be hard to find anyone like him anymore.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 274 – Vikram Khanna at GRPC 2014

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, October 8th, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have a recorded interview with Vik Khanna from the gun rights policy conference.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly news and stories of defensive gun use.. so climb aboard.
John: strap in!
Rachel: and hang on!  Episode 274 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rachel- I had a girls’ shopping date with a friend of mine today…..a holster and ammo shopping date, that is. We found her a great holster at GT Distributors that allows her to carry a Glock 23 concealed. For a girl with a smaller frame, that’s pretty sweet.

John – Nothing really to report since Sunday afternoon. I’m waiting for my invitation to Media Day at SHOT Show. I understand that Paul and Susan have gotten their invitations. I hope they will put in a good word for me!

Rob- Dry practice and work.
Rachel- Break
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John -The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has a long history.  Recently it is a history of corruption and incompetence.  There is a website called “clean up ATF” where the field agents complain about their management.  Unfortunately, the management retaliates if anyone complains too loudly.  They tried to make an example of ATF field agent Vincent Cefalu.  Agent Cefalu went to court in his wrongful termination case last week.  This week the judge dismissed ATF’s attempt to fire Cefalu. The judge ruled that unfounded charges must be removed from his personnel record, the ATF owes Cefalu for his legal costs, the agency must restore Cefalu’s retirement funds by the end of the month, and they must pay an undisclosed settlement award.  After the verdict, agent Cefalu made an open post addressed to ATF Director B. Todd Jones and Deputy Director Thomas E. Brandon.

“You allowed the agency to abuse me and my family for eight years only to admit you were wrong. Nothing in the case changed over the last two years, yet you refused to settle, continued wasting taxpayers’ dollars and precious court time only to do what you should have done years ago..  You still have to reconcile not only keeping the managers responsible for this on your payroll, but promot[ing] them.  You have been aware of the perjury, false statements … gross mismanagement and waste, fraud and abuse by members of your executive staff and field managers and have done nothing. In fact you went to heroic measures to defend them.

“My true win comes from the knowledge that the field does not and will not accept your reckless leadership and [is] not afraid to call you out anymore.”

With bad managment like this, no wonder there is a morale problem at the ATF.  Yeah, and their agency lawyers are spending time fighting internal lawsuits rather than prosecuting violent criminal behavior.

Rob- There are similar problems at the Federal Bureau of Investigation.  Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa said eleven whistleblowers in the FBI say the bureau is targeting them for termination in retaliation for their revelations about FBI wrongdoing.  Senator Grassley is the ranking Republican on the Senate Committee on the Judiciary.  The FBI set out to punish whistleblowers in a way the whistleblowers could not oppose.  They were served with Loss of Effectiveness orders and warned that their performance is suffering and that they could soon be fired.  These letters bypass the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility, so the whistleblowers would never have a chance to protest their evaluation.  Quoting Senator Grassley, “It’s stereotypical treatment of whistleblowers by the executive branch.”  These letters sent to the FBI employees mark the first major case showing how newly appointed FBI Director James B. Comey may react to internal whistleblowers.  If these allegations are true, the FBI’s treatment of whistleblowers stands in stark contrast with how it treats agents who have been found by [internal investigators] to have committed actual, disciplinable offenses,”  The senator cited the case of an FBI agent who was having a relationship with a foreign citizen and had divulged sensitive information. The agent was never sent a Loss of Effectiveness (LOE) letter, and the agent’s case was handled through the Office of Professional Responsibility, he said.

Rachel- The Indianapolis Star researched violent crimes committed with a firearm during the last five years.  They found three thousand of examples where prosecutors bargained away the firearms charges for a guilty plea to a lesser offense.  The plea bargains make life easier for prosecutors.  The plea bargains also cost lives when violent criminals are returned to the streets to kill again.  One such criminal was Leandrew Beasley.  Beasley was a drug dealer who shot several people while he should have been serving time in jail for his prior convictions.  Many of the criminals studied had a long list of prior arrests.  This was particularly true of murderers.  Evidently murder takes practice.  The report concluded that prosecuting repeat felons under existing laws would save lives.

Rob -Indianapolis is not alone in costing innocent lives.  Los Angeles is stuck on stupid and passes more gun restrictions while their crime rate goes up. The LA City Council voted to ban the possession of “high capacity” magazines within city limits. While the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that restrictions on concealed carry had to be eased, the LA County Sheriffs Department refused to comply with the judges’ ruling. The LA City Council lobbied the state legislature to ban “single shot” handguns, a ban which was implemented on the state level. At the state level, California restricted lead ammo, expanding criminal firearm storage rules, requiring safety certificates for owners of long guns, and expanding background checks.  All the while, crime rose in Los Angeles.  According to the Los Angeles Times, LA’s “overall violent crime rate is up 7.6 percent year to year.  Aggravated assaults increased by nearly 20 percent. and the incidence of rape was up 7 percent.

rachel comment- Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

john comment- the politicians will keep selling gun control as long as the voters will buy it.

Rachel- Pro-Mag is a magazine and gun component manufacturer with a considerable share of the market.   They moved their business from anti-gun California to pro-gun and pro-business Arizona.  General manager Mike Kurvink said that the move was sparked by California’s gun and business laws that made it nearly impossible to do business.  They took 200 employees and 40 truck loads of equipment with them as they moved to Phoenix.
comment- well done, Pro-Mag

John -Here is a story of progress for Alabama gun owners.  The use of sound suppressors for hunting became legal as of October first.  Federal tax stamps are still required.  Until earlier this year, the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources prohibited the use of suppressors/silencers.  Now Alabama joins thirty other states who allow hunters to use suppressors while hunting.

Several countries consider hunting without a suppressor to be rude since the noise bothers the neighbors.  Those countries didn’t have alcohol prohibition in the 1930s and didn’t have our firearms laws that were supposed to control the organized crime that grew out of prohibition.
comment- using a suppressor makes you a good neighbor.
comment- John, are you going to get a suppressor for your pig gun?

Rob -A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth pulls on its pants.  Anti-gun activist Mark Kelly lied on national television about how firearms transactions occur without a background check.  Kelly said only 60 percent of all gun sales occur with a background check.  The statistic is false and misleading.  The data comes from a few hundred phone interviews conducted 20 years ago.  The limited data includes sales made before background checks were required by law.  That is a fact you won’t hear on CNN.

comment-John – And THAT is why we have listeners to the Polite Society Podcast

Rachel -The intolerance of anti-gunners has reached a new high. Nino Ferlaino, a seasonal landscaping employee of the Crown Point, Indiana Lakes of the Four Seasons gated community was fired on July 2nd for merely owning a gun. His supervisor asked him if it was true he carried a firearm to which Mr. Ferlaino replied that he owned a firearm but did not carry it at work. Ferlaino was fired because the gated community had a “no tolerance policy”. Mr. Ferlaino is now suing the Lakes of the Four Seasons Property Owners Association Inc. for actual and punitive damages, attorney’s fees, and an injunction preventing them from taking similar actions against other employees. The homeowner’s association’s are in violation of an Indiana law passed in 2011 which forbids employers from asking if their employees own guns.  Moreover, most employees have the right to store their firearm in their vehicles while at work.

john Comment – I hope this group of anti-gunners has deep pockets
rob Comment – and that Mr. Ferlaino takes a lot of their money.

John – With Election Day less than a month away, it is important for gun owners and gun right supporters to know who our friends are, who only pays lip service to the Second Amendment, and who really is after our guns. To find who who is pro-gun, we suggest checking out the NRA Political Victory Fund site as well as those from the many state-level organizations. To make it easier to figure out who  pays lip service or hates us, Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors have released their own endorsements. As Bob Owens of BearingArms points out, Bloomberg didn’t want to be seen doing the endorsements himself. You will find such anti-gun luminaries as Cal AG Kamala Harris, CT Gov Dan Malloy, and NY Gov Andrew Cuomo on the list along with others who pretend to support the Second Amendment like Senators Kay Hagan, Mark Udall, and Mary Landrieu.

John – The Durham County (NC) Sheriffs Department finally has destroyed a handgun registry that had been in existence since 1935. While the county repealed the law authorizing the registry as mandated by the General Assembly, they were unwilling to actually destroy the records claiming they had historical relevance. It was only after Grass Roots North Carolina threatened to sue the Sheriffs Department and the county that steps were taken to shred the record cards. Clerk of Court Archie Smith and Sheriff Mike Andrews filmed the destruction of the records which can be seen on YouTube.

Rob -Connecticut got this one wrong. Scott Lazure was a security guard.  He had a concealed carry permit in Connecticut.  You may not know that Connecticut allows open carry with a concealed carry license, and Scott was open carrying.  The police certainly forgot that open carry is allowed.  In Connecticut, there is also no requirement to inform the police that you have a concealed carry permit.  Police approached Scott, and asked to see his identification.  He refused, since a citizen is not required to produce identification unless they are charged with a crime.  This went to court and Scott won.  The judge told the police to return Scott’s firearm.  That is when the issuing authority, the state Board of Firearms Permit Examiners, revoked Scott’s permit to carry.  Now that decision is headed to court.  It seems likely that Michael Lawlor, the undersecretary for criminal justice policy and planning for Governor Dannel Malloy, sent down word to deny Scott Lazure’s permit.  Governor Malloy is in a heated race for Governor against the pro-gun candidate Tom Foley.  The police need guidance and leadership.  That starts from the top, and Connecticut gun owners should be involved in this race for governor.

Comment – Mike Vanderboegh wrote about Lawlor in the past speculating that he was a KGB plant.

Rachel- This officer has his internal compass set and it guides his actions.  Officer Ben Hall was going to cite a woman for driving her 5 year old without a car seat.  The woman agreed that she needed a car seat, but said her family had fallen on some hard times recently.  Her car had been repossessed along with her daughter’s car seat.  Now they didn’t have the money for a new car seat.  The officer could have fined her and given her a ticket.  He’s done exactly that before, but not this time.  Officer Hall bought her a car seat instead.  Hall said “..what she was going through.. was something anyone could have been going through.  Giving her a ticket.. doesn’t solve the problem..  I talked to the mother about different organizations that give out car seats but it was Friday night.. and we needed something right now.”

They found a 55 dollar car seat at Walmart and Officer Hall paid for it.  I hope the rest of the officers in Emmett Township, Michigan are that thoughtful.  He has helped us all with his example.

john comment- Why talk about this on the Polite Society Podcast?

rob comment- because if we criticize the police when they get it wrong then we have to recognize them when they get it right.

John -Law enforcement understands violence, but the politicians are playing games with people’s lives in New York,  Tony Oliva writes at his blog “Bullets First”.  He documented a one man crime spree by a convicted rapist in New York.  The criminal attempted one abduction in a gun-free zone of a shopping center parking lot.  He later kidnapped and raped a second woman at gunpoint.  The criminal kidnapped a second man and made him drop him off at a college campus.  Another gun free zone. In short, a violent rapist gets released from jail, quickly gets a gun despite the New York SAFE Act, chooses gun free zones to attack victims and is finally caught on a gun free zone college campus about to repeat his crimes all over again.  This is as close to proof as we will ever find that firearms restrictions disarm honest citizens and not criminals.

Rob- Gun Quotes- “We shall have lost something vital and beyond price on the day when the state denies us the right to resort to force…” – Justice Louis Brandeis in The Brandeis Guide to the Modern World, 1941.

Rachel- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Rachel -This DGU was sent in by Scott who lives in Texas.  Three intruders broke into a home just west of Houston in Katy, Texas.  One of the homeowners was jumped and tackled by two masked intruders who taped his arms and feet.  They tried to get into his safe.  The homeowner played dead when the thieves tried to choke him. Quote “All I could think about was my daughter.”  The thieves ransacked the two-story home.  At one point the homeowner raised his head and the the thieves said, quote “if you look up again, we’ll kill you.”  The homeowner opened his gun safe and waited for the thieves.

Two of the thieves were airlifted to the hospital for emergency surgery because of multiple gunshot wounds.  The third suspect is being sought by police.

John -Despite its western reputation, Texas has some work to do on its firearms laws.  Four armed men entered a bar in Northwest Harris County.  Most of the crowd had gone home.  It was after closing time as the staff cleaned up EJ’s Place.  A few customers lingered.  One was a regular who routinely walked the female staff to their cars after closing.  The four criminals ordered everyone to lie face down on the ground.  That is when one of the regular customers shot and killed two of the armed thieves.  The other two criminals fled.  Under Texas law, even licensed carriers can’t have guns in bars. That could explain why the armed customer who saved lives left the bar before police arrived.

Rob -The police are minutes away when you need them.  A Lake Elsinore, California couple called police when an intruder tried to enter their house just before 11 pm Sunday night.  The male homeowner retrieved his handgun and shouted to the intruder that he was armed.  The intruder smashed in a window anyway.  The homeowner fired and the intruder fled.  Paramedics took the intruder to a local medical center where he died of his injuries.  The police do not expect to press charges against the homeowner.

rachel comment- There is some justice even in California.
john comment- I wonder if the criminal was stupid, or intoxicated.

rachel -A domestic dispute escalated and ended in a self-defense shooting.  An unmarried couple in Lima, Ohio argued in front of the woman’s parents.  First the man was asked to leave, and then the man was forced to leave.  The homeowners called police.  The man returned later after the police had left..  That is when the man and a friend, Markquis Hall and Ja’Taven Dukes began shooting at the house.  The family called police again and the pregnant woman hid with her 9 month old baby in a hall closet.  The woman is recorded on the 911 call saying, ““He’s shooting. He has a gun and he’s shooting on the inside and there’s an infant in here.  Can you all please hurry up.”  Hall and Dukes, both in their mid 20s, were shot as they broke through a window to enter the home.  Dukes died and Hall was arrested by police at St. Rita’s Medical Center seeking treatment for a gunshot wound.

comment- Thank god someone had a gun.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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Rachel- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rachel, that article about armed women I promised you was picked up by Ammoland and Keep and Bear Arms.

Rob John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John- Go fund me for Paul.  Here is the link- http://www.gofundme.com/fg2dhw

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Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 273 – Massad Ayoob at GRPC

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday, October 5th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have some audio from the Gun Rights Policy Conference featuring Massad Ayoob talking about gun-free zones.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about some anti-gun laws that got signed into law in California this week
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have 2 gun quotes for you today.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in our DGU segment we talk about a young woman in Las Vegas whose stalker wasn’t stopped by a protection order.
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have a discussion about Bug out Bags
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 273 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul – 1)Holy cow! GRPC was AMAZING! Talked to a lot of people, got to get to know a little bit some people that I have considered my heroes for a long time.
2)We are partnering with Ammoland (thanks Fredy Reihl) and NJ2AS (thanks Frank Fiamingo) to live stream next year’s GRPC. I have a little bit of equipment to acquire before that happens.
3)Susan got her gun
4)Truck issues AGAIN!
5)Greg in Bremmerton
6)Chaz
7)We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.

Rob- Dry practice. I wrote an article defending a woman’s right to self-defense.
GRPC, Tom Gresham (70 hours is easy), NRA board member Maria Heil, Dr. John Edeen, Vik Khanna, Charles Heller, Gary Daugherty and Sherry, Kimberly Morin from Woman’s Defense League of New Hampshire. John Fund from National Review. Chris Bird. Chris Knox. (Jeff didn’t make it.) Eddie Fulmer from ‘Bama Carry, and Paul Valone from Grass Roots North Carolina, Larry Pratt.. oh, and Dr. John Lott. We’ll have them on our show. I also met Rhonda Ezell from the Ezell vs Chicago lawsuit. We almost got to meet Shaneen Allen from New Jersey.

John- Thanks to a suicidal pyromaniac at the FAA’s Chicago radar facility, I didn’t make it to this year’s GRPC but not for lack of trying. My first flight was canceled, I got rebooked on another flight at an airport an hour’s drive away, and then that flight was canceled after I sat at the airport for 3 hours. Next year Phoenix! And in better news, my daughter and her husband announced yesterday at their “gender reveal party” that it will be a girl – Olivia Grace. I need to start shopping for a Cricket rifle in either pink or pink camo!

Rachel- Not nearly anything as exciting or dramatic as everything y’all experienced at GRPC! However, I did sight in my EOTech for the Zombie Run and even got to do some shooting at the rifle marksmanship clinic I helped to instruct last weekend while y’all were in Chicago. It was the first rifle fundamentals training course at Battle Road USA, and it’s designed to help prepare shooters for the more advanced courses we offer (Combat Carbine, Precision Rifle, Camouflage and Stalking, etc.). We pushed shooters hard but they responded well and showed good improvement. One of my favorite parts was the long distance segment on Sunday afternoon – some of the group took centerfires out to the long distance range; I stayed with the rimfire shooters and we took .22’s out to 100 yards. Everyone learned a lot about trajectory, wind, and the importance of being solid in fundamentals.

Gary H- busy week, ebola scare = long term food sales, real mask details, coming up events.

Gary D – Possible suicide attempt at one of my training ranges.

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Rachel- Speaking of Rhonda Ezell, who we met at the Gun Rights Policy Conference; the case of Ezell v. City of Chicago challenged the city’s code by asserting that the regulations involving installation and operation of gun ranges inside city limits are burdensome. This week U.S. District Court Judge Virginia Kendall agreed with the Second Amendment Foundation.  The judge found the city’s zoning and requirements regarding hours of operation were unfounded.  Judge Kendall quoted Chicago police officials who “admitted that they had no data or empirical evidence that any criminal impact would occur due to the presence of a firing range, or that (the impact) would be lessened by placing ranges in manufacturing districts.”  SAF executive vice president Alan Gottlieb said, “our persistence in this issue.. caused the city to actually repeal many of the rules we challenged, even before the court could address them. That’s an indication the city knows there were problems with the code as written, and it demonstrates that when an in-depth analysis of gun laws is undertaken that requires proponents to prove those laws would be effective, they can’t.”  SAF attorney Alan Gura added, “Every day on which Chicago loses some of its unconstitutional laws is a better day than the one before. This latest decision brings Chicago that much closer to the rest of America, where responsible, law-abiding people can practically access gun ranges for safety training and recreation.”

Rob comment- we saw Alan Gura at GRPC too.

Rob- I have a lot to apologize for.  I’m from California, so let me apologize for my crazy California Senator, Dianne Feinstein.  She was one of the original authors of the 1994 “assault weapons ban”.  The ban outlawed modern firearms with “military style features” such as pistol grips, bayonet mounts, adjustable stocks, flash hiders or a standard capacity magazine.  The senator put out a press release this month that claims her ban reduced crime.  Experts who study the use of firearms in crimes say the exactly the opposite.  Duke University public policy experts Philip Cook and Kristin Goss wrote that “There is no compelling evidence that (the ban) saved lives.”  A report from the United States Department of Justice said, “We cannot clearly credit the weapons ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence.  Should (the ban) be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement.”  Those facts don’t matter when you’re crazy like my Senator.

Rachel comment- crazy is right. I tried to explain a few of California’s regulations to my new shooter’s class last summer and the girls thought I was making it up.

John -Guns and Ammo magazine released their list of the best states for firearms owners, and for concealed carry holders in particular.  The ranking is based on several factors.  They recorded the the issuing scheme for permits, the extent of reciprocity, the amount of training required to obtain the license, the required fees and the use of force in self-defense like stand-your-ground laws.

Arizona ranked first, Utah ranked second and Alaska ranked third.  The Washington DC ranked last.  I had to list the states where we live, so Rachel, Texas ranked 12th, Paul and Susan, South Dakota ranks 19th, North Carolina ranked 30th, Gary, Illinois ranked 42nd, and Rob, California ranked 50th.

Paul- comment- Arizona won this comparison last year as well.  Arizona Citizens Defense league deserves credit.  Their hard work year after year pays off.

Rob- At least California is better than DC.   (boos)  I’m packing already.

John – NC got marked down because they don’t issue non-resident licenses. Given we accept all other state’s permits including non-resident ones, what’s the big deal.

Paul- California added to its list of firearms restrictions.  California Governor Jerry Brown signed two bills into law.  One law allows the police to seize firearms from any legal gun owner with the request of a family member, judge or law enforcement officer.  Wait until the divorce lawyers get their hands on this one.  The Governor signed a bill requiring all toy guns to be painted bright colors.  The bill could make some of our “red” guns illegal.  Also, some criminals have started painting their real firearms in bright colors.

Rob comment- California, where your right of armed self-defense goes to die.

Rachel comment- Just wait until the politicians start using the firearms restraining order on each other.

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Rachel -New Jersey maintained its reputation for being hostile to a culture of self-defense.  The Atlantic City Council passed two measures this week.  One outlawed the sale, possession or use of any imitation firearms unless they are colored in bright, fluorescent colors or transparent. Pistols that use metal caps are banned from being sold to minors.  The other bill would eliminate the city’s liability for the actions of police when they are working off duty as security guards.

John -Grass Roots North Carolina pays a clipping service to search the media sources for firearms use in the state.  It was a year ago that North Carolina allowed concealed carry holders to enter restaurants that served alcohol.  The anti gun politicians predicted blood flowing out of the bars and into the streets.  It didn’t happen.  Not once.  They tried to sell a horror show.. and history delivered a yawn instead.  This isn’t the first time that politicians and the media said the sky would fall.  They told us a chicken little story about carrying concealed in state parks.  That was another yawn.  Now it is North Carolina Agriculture Commissioner Steve Troxler’s turn to cry wolf. The Commissioner says he will post the North Carolina State Fair against concealed carry even though state law prohibits him from doing so.

Rob comment- politicians sure show their crazy during an election year.

Rachel comment- when is halloween?  Could that be the excuse?

Paul comment – Troxler is a Republican proving that gun control is not just the province of Democrats.

Rob -It looks like there is some dirty money at play in Connecticut politics. Democratic Gov. Dannel Malloy and Republican Tom Foley will face each other in a close general election in November.  Malloy campaigned on gun control, and Foley opposed it.  Civil rights groups like the Connecticut Citizens Defense League support Foley.  Someone funded a third party candidate to run with a pro-gun position.  Joe Visconti says he is a tea party candidate and his advertisements show him holding firearms.  Until he ran for governor, Visconti was not active in gun-rights activism.

They elected the anti-gun Democrat in Virginia when the libertarian candidate siphoned a few percent of the vote from the pro-gun attorney general Ken Cuccinelli.  It later turns out that the libertarian was funded by liberal democrats.

Paul- Anthony sent a story link to us in email. Fox news is reporting that the NRA is being outspent in Washington by 7 to 1 on the coming November elections. As we have talked about here before there are 2 competing initiatives in Washington state and it looks like BOTH might pass. Millions are being dumped into the race by people who are certainly rich enough to buy their own armed security, and sometimes their own operational tanks.

Rachel -The California legislature is working to outlaw lead ammunition, and poor academic studies of lead is one of ways they are doing it.  That is why honest research is important.  A study, out of Iowa State University looked at eagles in the wild.  The authors tested fecal samples from nest areas for lead levels. They found detectable lead levels in most samples, but in the majority of samples, the levels were low and within the range of birds in lead-free sites, and within background environmental lead levels. There was no statistically significant difference in samples collected in the winter versus the spring or in those collected near a river (meaning plenty of food sources) or far from a river (hypothesized to be more likely to scavenge gut piles and thus exposed to lead ammunition). There was also no correlation between lead exposure and the number of deer harvested in an area.

John comment- Ah, but will the facts stop the environmentalists and the anti-gun politicians?

Rob- what did you do today, Dad?  Son, I tested eagle poop for lead.

Rob-The Second Amendment Foundation has been bringing lawsuits against cities in Utah.  These cities violated Utah’s pre-emption laws.  For example, up until Wednesday night, it was illegal to possess a firearm or knife with a blade more than 3 inches long in a city-owned park in Santa Clara, Utah.  Councilman David Whitehead said, “We’ve used a knife longer than 3 inches to cut cake while having church parties in the park.”  The city council said they didn’t know the regulations were on the books.

John -New York City is at it again, and it seems that they are borrowing from the California legislatures playbook this time. New York City Assemblyman Brian Kavanagh has introduced legislation that would allow gun confiscation by just bringing an allegation. This quote is directly from the Assemblyman. “So this is a bill that would permit family members or friends or medical professionals or law enforcement or really anyone who’s concerned that somebody having to access to guns poses a serious danger to go to a court and present evidence of that, and if the court were persuaded, they would be able to issue a temporary order preventing the person from acquiring or possessing guns,” Kavanagh explains. “The person who is the subject of the order would then have an opportunity to appeal that decision.”

Rob- can we get the gun rights removed from these politicians?

Paul -The FBI twists statistics to please their political masters.  The latest evidence is in an FBi report released last week.  The report claims that active shooters became more common from 2000 to 2013.  That claim contradicts the statistic that mass shooters are becoming less common.  Note carefully that “Active shooter” and “mass shooting” do not mean the same thing.  The FBI statistics include events that no one would call a mass shooting.

The FBI also deliberately excluded killings connected to gang rivalries or the drug trade.  Rather than basing its definition on how many people were killed, the FBI report focuses on homicidal intent. If the perp only wounds his victims, or if he doesn’t even manage to do that, he still gets counted. Fewer than half of the incidents in the FBI report qualify as mass shootings.

Dr. John Lott will have a report out soon that untangles the FBI claims.  In the mean time, note which networks cite the FBI statistics.  Those networks are revealing more about their bias than they reveal about the changing habits of violent criminals.

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Rachel -In what should be called “News of the Weird”, MSNBC is blaming the NRA for making the ebola crisis worse. Honestly, we are not making this up. In a column published on Thursday, Krystal Ball and Anne Thompson say that the NRA’s opposition to President Obama’s anti-gun nominee for Surgeon General, Dr. Vivek Murthy, has made the situation worse because the US doesn’t have a Surgeon General. They say that Dr. Murthy could help ease people’s fears about the disease.

John Comment – This may be why re-runs of The Shark Tank have better Nielsen ratings than does MSNBC.

Rob- We got to hear Vic Kahanna talk about Dr Murthy at GRPC

Rob – With all the attention being paid to restaurant chains that are kow-towing to Bloomberg’s Moms, it is great to read about a restaurant that rewards customers for taking their self-protection seriously.  Bergeron’s Restaurant in Port Allen, Louisiana gives a 10% discount to customers who are carrying their firearms. Owner Kevin Cox says, “Target Department stores banned guns and these people are banning guns. Don’t they realize that that’s where people with guns are going to go? I want to take the opposite approach. How can I make my place safer?  When we have a gun, we’re all the same size.” Mr. Cox reports giving out 10-20 discounts daily.  The discount at Bergeron’s Restaurant started for law enforcement and then they expanded the discount to cover concealed carry holders.

John -Being a police officer isn’t easy.  Sometimes the police get it right, and sometimes they get it wrong.  Last year, police arrested Sung-Ho Hwang after he entered a movie theater in New Haven, Connecticut.  Hwang is an immigration attorney and president of the New Haven County Bar Association.  Hwang was originally detained after 20 policemen responded to a call of a man with a gun.  Hwang is also a licensed concealed carry holder.  The theater was not posted a as a no-gun area.  Police were going to let him go until the New Haven police Chief Dean Esserman, demanded Hwang be arrested.  Hwang was initially charged with second-degree breach of peace and interfering with police.  All charges were dropped.

Now, Hwang is suing the City of New Haven and the police chief Dean Esserman. Hwang asserts officers made a false arrest and acted without probable cause, ordered by a police chief who is not himself a certified police officer.

Hwang said “We can’t live in a society where somebody decided that he has a personal objection to something even though it’s lawful.  It’s not right for the Chief of Police to inject his personal opinions when he pursues a case. He needs to abide by the laws.”

Gary D comment- A city in Colorado settled a similar lawsuit this year.

Paul -In the United States, there is a quirk in the law for showing racial discrimination.  A plaintiff only has to show there is a discriminatory outcome, not a discriminatory intent.  That means Chicago has some explaining to do.  The legal restrictions imposed on Chicago residents has resulted in a racially discriminatory selection against black concealed carry holders.  Blacks and Hispanics are far less likely than whites to meet the many requirements to legally carry a firearm if they live in Cook county in general, and if they live in Chicago in particular.

We are not talking about a license to practice medicine; we are talking about armed self-defense which is recognized in the bill of rights as a universal human right.  This means a judge could ask the politicians to defend every aspect of their restrictions.. and ask if the city and state’s fees and regulations placed a discriminatory and unwarranted burden on the black citizens of Chicago.  To quote one of our favorite academics, Dr. John Lott said, “You really need to ask whether or not politicians are consciously trying to disarm certain groups of people.”

John -If you’ve bought a firearm recently, then you know the ATF requires us to disclose our race and ethnicity before we can buy a gun.  The ATF says this this data is required by the Office of Management and Budget.  OMB says they never required the data.  Entering the wrong data or refusing to divulge the information is sufficient reason for the ATF to revoke a gun dealer’s Federal Firearms License.  US Representative Diane Black from Tennessee sponsored a bill to remove the race and ethnicity data, or at least make it voluntary.  The bill states- “The federal government may not require any person to disclose the race or ethnicity of the person in connection with the transfer of a firearm to the person.”  Congressman Ted Poe of Texas said  “This ATF requirement is intrusive and unnecessary. As long as the gun is purchased lawfully, race or ethnicity should be irrelevant.”

Gun Quotes
Rob- #1) If you have 10,000 regulations, you destroy all respect for the law. —Winston Churchill

Rachel #2) “You can spout all the anti-gun noise you want. You can tell me guns are ‘macho’ and ‘masculine’, and accuse me of trying to be like the ‘big boys’ if I carry one. I don’t care. I’ve been raped, and I’ve decided that I would much rather defend myself “than sit back quietly and be ‘ladylike’.” – Julie Batson (Found on the Cornered Cat Facebook Page)

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Audio of Massad Ayoob from GRPC 2014 “Targeting Gun Free Zones”

Segment 4 DGUs

John – Brandy Moreno took out a restraining order against Leo Henry.  Henry was her ex-boyfriend.  Brandy Moreno was so frightened for her safety and the safety of her children that she also got a handgun.  She showed her 11 year old daughter how to use the firearm.  That turns out to have been a very good decision.  Before 4 AM Tuesday morning, Leo Henry broke into the home where he used to live.  He broke into the home despite a restraining order.  He stabbed Brandy Moreno several times.  The attack continued until the 11 year old shot Mister Henry.  Both Mister Henry and Ms Moreno were taken to Oklahoma University medical center for treatment.  Court records show that Henry was charged in 2013 in Oklahoma County District Court with a misdemeanor count of domestic abuse assault and battery. The case was dismissed.

Gary commment- what if the young woman had been taught to call 911 instead of protecting herself with a firearm?

John comment- then the news story would probably be about a murder rather than a defensive use of a handgun.

Paul – (I REALLY want to do this one) Grand Rapids Michigan police are investigating a shooting at a bankruptcy court…. Well they are calling it an “accidental” shooting. What most of us would call it is a negligent discharge. a court security officer was “cleaning” his gun when he pointed the gun at his hand and pulled the trigger on a live round. Pulling the trigger is required to disassemble some guns for cleaning, but when I bought my Glock I was told of this by the sales rep ( and of course it is in the instruction book that you get with your gun). You might be asking “why the heck is this in with the DGU’s? Well I think that it is news in that this was someone who is around guns all the time and is paid to work with them. It only takes a second of distraction to ruin your day when working with a firearm. There are more models than just the Glock that require a trigger press to disassemble please take your time and whenever you are placing a gun in your hands to what my friend Charlie Foxtrot once said on the old GRRN forums. think to yourself “ok this is for reals”

Rob – A DGU that has REALLY been making the rounds on the internet.  It is the story of a young Las Vegas woman who had a problem with a stalker. The young woman, who doesn’t want to be named, had enough problems that she got a restraining order.  Luckily she didn’t stop there.  She also got a gun. She was awakened at 1:15 am on Friday to the sound of her door being kicked in. The following quote is directly from her Imgur post  “I’m writing this staring at the mess the police left for me, in a bit of a fog.  After 6 months of stalking and threats against my life my stalker finally snapped and decided to kick my door in and make good on his promise.

“Out of fear, the past month I had begun sleeping with a chair propped against my front door, to give myself a few extra precious seconds in case of emergency.  I shudder to think how differently things might’ve turned out had I  not barricaded the door.

“I awoke around 1:15 am to the sound of the door giving way after one kick followed by the sounds of my stalker struggling to dislodge the chair while forcing his way inside. I jumped up and grabbed the gun I’ve learned to do everything even shower with.

“I stood at the top of my stairs and fired twice. Hitting him in the chest, I hear his scream, his disbelief that I’d stood up for myself.. 0 to 100 in milliseconds. I’ve never been so afraid in my life. I do not know if he is living, but I do know the police have him and that’s what helps the most.

“For months of him evading the police I began to question whether he was unstoppable. Untraceable. Houdini, he would murder me and get away with it. As of now I’m in a haze of  guilt, surprise, relief  and disbelief. I shook as the canines drag him out from his hiding place under a bush. I survived, where so many people do not. Holy shit, I survived.”

John comments-  Stalking and rape are about power and control.  I’m glad this young woman decided to protect herself.

Rachel – At 4:30 in the morning, a Houston area grandmother was cooking breakfast with her three granddaughters.  That is when three armed men broke into her home.  Fortunately, an adult son heard the disturbance.  The son heard grandma say “please don’t hurt the girls” and grabbed his handgun.  He shot two of the intruders.  One of the criminals died on the scene and two escaped.  The eight family members living in the home were unhurt.

The family runs a construction business, and police are investigating why they were targeted for the break in.

John – A Knoxville, Tennessee home invader found out the hard way that kicking in a man’s door will get you shot. Jeffrey Minor shot the home invader with his shotgun as his door was breached. According to Knoxville police, the suspect then fled on foot but not before shooting at Minor’s house with a handgun and then dropping it. He was arrested when he appeared at a local hospital for treatment for the gunshot wound to his arm. Police say that Minor was in fear of his life but are still investigating.

Rachel – Mark Vaughan recently sold Vaughan’s foods that he started.  Mister Vaughan stayed on to help run the place in Moore, Oklahoma.  That morning they’d fired an employee.  The employee returned and stabbed a female employee working in the office.  The attacker then cut off her head.  The employee then attacked a second woman before Vaughan shot him.  Vaughan was a reserve sheriff’s deputy.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John Listener e-mail discussion

Email from Ken in AZ,

I heard you need more emails so, here we go.
How do we ensure the security of a Free State? The 2nd Amendment says by keeping and bearing arms, right?

Therefore, doesn’t it logically follow that 2A is saying it’s the duty of the citizen to keep and bear, as well as his right? I mean, if we aren’t keeping and bearing arms, we can’t ensure the security of anything! So, to be a good American, we have to.

It’s a pretty nifty system. The 2nd Amendment protects our right to keep and bear, and in turn, we protect it by keeping and bearing. And ’round and ’round and ’round it goes, each part supporting the other part. It’s an infinite feedback loop of freedom, to coin a phrase.

Ken S.
Phoenix, AZ
Free States of America

PS Thoughts and prayers for Bob Mayne of Handgun World Podcast as he is fighting cancer.

Paul- William emailed this one in.

A short one, plan on other topics later. You mentioned the Ruger LCR in 9mm. Moon clips are very fast for reloading wheel guns. That’s great for competition but don’t forget that moon clips are thin metal plates and therefore fairly easily bent. Carrying reloads that way may be great for speed but if the clip gets bent then you are dead in the water so to speak. I’d rather sacrifice a bit of speed than chance not being able to reload at all. Just my opinion.

Rob -A listener from South Carolina who asked that we don’t identify him on the air emailed this in.

Several episodes back there was some discussion about carry in your own home.
When I am home, I am in the place that should be the most secure. Consequently, I always have a Charter Arms Undercover .38 special in a pocket holster. I have other, heavy duty firearms in the home but the CA .38 is always handy and even when I take shower it is in a pants pocket in the bathroom with me.
Please take a look at this link and see if we qualify as a South Carolina Second Amendment group for your listing.

http://palmettocc.us/

Thanks for all you and crew do to help us stay informed and alert.

Rachel- Marc in Ohio emailed about a DGU we talked about on the last episode that we recorded.

Hello,
I’m sending you a link to a news story about a shooting in a town I work in. I have talked to officers on scene. The store clerk was open carrying a 1911. The thieves were so focused on the robbery they went right past the clerk. The clerk was shooting and walking backwards to a door. The clerk did not know there was a third thief watching outside the doorway. When this thug and the clerk met it scared the lookout and his shot at point blank was at the clerk’s hip. I’m told the clerk did an outstanding job shooting. The clerk even continued to shoot after being shot high in the hip with a hollow point .45 The thief that shot the clerk is the one still at large.
Capacity matters and the clerk emptied his 1911. Open carry did not alter the thieves plan. They had hoodies tied tight around their faces. Maybe the hoodies kept them from seeing the openly carried firearm.
The officer started his story to me by saying, “Did you hear the story about gun owners doing it right?”. No charges are expected to be filed on the clerk.  http://gunssavelives.net/self-defense/video-store-clerk-shoots-and-kills-2-of-3-armed-robbers-in-gunfight/

Marc from Ohio

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I posted two articles since our last show.   I live in San Diego County, California.  My sheriff prefers disarmed civilians.  He says law enforcement will keep us safe.  He is wrong.  I wrote about the recent victims of violent crime in San Diego County.

I also wrote about some crazy feminists who said women promote rape by protecting themselves.  More precisely, women promote rape culture on campus when they advocate awareness, avoidance and self-defense. That hit a nerve since I’ve asked my wife and daughter to practice awareness, avoidance and self-defense.  Both articles are up at Clash Daily.. and they will be up at my blog and at Ammoland.

Paul Comment – Love the comment about seatbelts

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did an article on Friday regarding an attorney running for the NC Ct of Appeals. Mark Davis was the lead attorney for the state defending NC’s emergency powers act that prohibited firearm possession off premises during a declared emergency. That case, Bateman v Perdue, was brought by GRNC and SAF and which was won by Alan Gura. My point was that even in non partisan elections we need to check out the candidates because, even with all their endorsements, they could really be anti-gun.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 272 – Shaneen Allen Gets Pre-Trial Intervention

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, September 24th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about self-defense news.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and defensive gun use.

Rachel: John, I already said we have news.

John, Yes, but we have a lot of news, so climb aboard.

Rachel : strap in

Rob: and hang on! Episode 272 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Rob- Cleaned all the handguns.  JPFO picked up one of my posts about my sheriff, William Gore.  That got me a few hundred hits on the website.  I went to the first meeting of a new chapter of Gun Owners of California here in San Diego.  I tried to set up an interview with a local gun store owner.  He’ll come on next Wednesday.  I toured a huge new indoor shooting range.  Dry practice.  I’d like to give a shout out to the podcast Guns Over Texas.  They mentioned our podcast the other day, and I’m a listener to theirs.

 

Rachel- nada. Just daily life. I’ll be at a BattleRoadUSA shoot this weekend testing out a new course of fire for a rifle marksmanship course, so I’ll report on that next time.

 

John – I received my new Kydex holster for my SIRT pistol. I’ve been both practicing drawing and dry firing. I’ve also been getting stuff ready for my trip to the Gun Rights Policy Conference. On a very serious note, I’d like our listeners to keep a long-time friend of the show, Bob Mayne, in your thoughts and prayers. He posted this afternoon on Facebook that he will be undergoing surgery this Friday to remove a tumor from his brain at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston. He says he will have friends and family with him but he needs our prayers and support. He hopes to be home by Monday.

 

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John- In breaking news from New Jersey, Shaneen Allen will be allowed into a pre-trial intervention program. The Attorney General of New Jersey clarified a directive dealing with the state’s gun laws with respect to out-of-state visitors from states where their gun possession would be legal. He said that imprisonment is “neither necessary or appropriate”. Following that directive, Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain said, “”In applying the factors set out in the clarification, I determined that the defendant in this case should be offered the opportunity to be admitted into the Atlantic County PTI Program.  I have communicated that determination to the court and defense counsel.” This is great news.

 

Rachel Comment – It goes to show that when heat is properly applied, politicians will get in line.

Rob comment- what were they thinking when they prosecuted Brian Aitken?  New Jersey also needs to lighten up on its own citizens.

 

Rob- Let’s continue with good news.  When California police don’t have a crime with which to prosecute honest firearms owners.. they invent a crime.  Too often this becomes a case of he said, she said, where the judge believes the police officer despite contradictory evidence.  This time was different.  Mindy Costa was charged with transporting her firearms illegally in an unlocked case.  The police video shows that the case was locked.  In other words, the policeman lied.  The police then scrambled to find some crime with which to charge Ms Costa so the department could avoid a charge of malicious prosecution.

 

Torrance, California has a little know local ordinance that prohibited the carrying of firearms throughout the City of Torrance even if the firearms are carried in accordance with California law.  Ms Costa was transporting the firearms for self-defense, rather than work, trade, business, sport or recreation as allowed by law.  There is an exception if a handgun is carried by a concealed carry holder, but the Torrance police don’t issue carry permits.  Ms Costa’s lawyer said she would not accept a plea deal to the misdemeanor charges.  In effect, the Torrance regulation is a complete ban on the purchase, possession and use of a gun for  self-defense at home.

 

Ms Costa submitted a series of letters and dialog with the City Attorney’s Office challenging the ordinances as a violation of the Second Amendment and as being preempted under California law.  Finally, the city attorney agreed.  Costa’s lawyer said she would file a lawsuit unless the regulations were rescinded in 60 days.

 

On August 12 the ordinance to repeal the unlawful sections of their codes were brought up for a second reading as required by law and the motion passed unanimously.  This happened because one person was willing to stand by her innocence.

 

John comment- God this sounds like a corrupt southern sheriff.

Rob- it is southern California.  But Ms Costa is also from southern California.

comment-  For a while there I needed to read the article to tell if it was Torrance, California.. or Newark, New Jersey.

 

Rachel -The next news article reminds me of the corrupt Garden State of New Jersey, but in fact it is from New York.  Dwayne Ferguson is an anti-gun activist.  He lobbied for laws that make carrying a firearm on school grounds a felony.  He also brought a firearm on school grounds and was arrested.  In New Jersey they’d sentence him to a decade in prison.  In New York they’d sentence you or me to 4 years.  But things are different when you’re politically connected.  On Monday, Judge John L. Michalek sentenced Ferguson to 100 hours of community service, and a conditional discharge.

 

John comment- it is a close race to see which state is the most politically corrupt.

 

John -Another corrupt Sheriff helped change the laws in Alabama, if only be being a horrible example to others.  Aaron Williams was a reserve deputy in Washington County, Alabama.  Williams worked for the prior sheriff, William Wheat.  Williams had a permit to carry for the last 14 years.  That stopped when he supported the old sheriff in an election and the new sheriff took exception.  Sheriff Richard Stringer tore down the campaign signs of his opponent, and in some cases, replaced the signs with his own.  Then the sheriff refused to give concealed carry licenses to the opponent’s supporters.  That is why Williams recorded sheriff Stringer.  Sheriff Stringer said, “As hard as you fought me, and as many of my signs as you tore down, son … you crapped in your nest with me. Don’t you stub your toe.”

 

State Sen. Scott Beason of Gardendale credited the recording posted on Youtube with helping to pass a bill he sponsored last year that loosened restrictions on Alabama pistol permits.   Now Sheriff Stringer has less discretion to deny carry permits.  That wasn’t enough for Aaron Williams.  Williams left Washington County and moved to Mississippi.

 

Rachel comment- power corrupts, and the power to deny the right of self defense is obviously too much temptation for this small Alabama Sheriff.

 

Rob comment- This reminds me of the corrupt Milwaukee DA that scoured his department trying to find out who exposed his political vendettas.  The leaker was a lawyer who had to leave the county after he was discovered and the press harassed his elementary school age children.

 

Rob-Speaking for corrupt cities like Milwaukee and Chicago.. 36 people were shot last weekend in Chicago including 12 and 16 year old boys.  Four of them died.

 

John comment- how is that gun-control working out for you, Rahm?

Rachel comment- It works for Rahm.  It stinks for the rest of the citizens.

 

Rob-You may not like politics.  You may dislike politicians from both parties.  That is good for the anti-gun billionaires who want you to sit home and drink rather than help a candidate and make phone calls.  Billionaire Michael Bloomberg handed out endorsements this week, and the endorsements came with some sizable checks.  Among the candidates receiving backing are 32 candidates for state offices, 61 vying for House seats and 17 running for the U.S. Senate.

 

In the Senate, the group is endorsing vulnerable incumbent Democratic Senators like Kay Hagan (N.C.), Mark Udall (Colo.) and Mary Landrieu (La.), as well as Rep. Bruce Braley (D-Iowa).  Braley is battling for the seat to be vacated by retiring Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa).

 

Rachel comment- Vote check.  Tell me you’re registered to vote.

John comment – And Bloomberg isn’t the only one supporting these anti-gun incumbents with money. So are Americans for Responsible Solutions who have made them priority campaigns.

 

Rachel- And speaking of Bloomberg and his Moms Demanding Action, Alison Martin is head of the New York Chapter. In addition to being anti-gun, she seems to be ignorant of history as well. On Twitter yesterday, she was engaging in a war of words with pro-gun activists. One person noted a quote from Nazi propaganda minister Josef Goebbels saying “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.” Ms. Martin responded “Mr. Goebbels’ words are wise words to live by.”

 

John Comment – you just can’t make stuff like this up!

 

John- The National Shooting Sports Foundation did its research and reported on the expected effects of California’s ban on hunting with lead ammunition.  They presented their report at a public hearing of the Wildlife Resource Committee of the California Fish and Game Commission.  Non-lead ammunition is not available for about half of hunting calibers, and the report found the California ban will cause severe shortages nationwide. California’s ban will at least triple the price of ammunition, driving more than one-third of the state’s hunters to hunt less or stop hunting completely. The expected loss of more than 50,000 hunters in California will cause a loss of millions of dollars in salaries and in tax revenue.

 

Rob comment- votes have consequences.

Rachel comment- there is a similar lead-ban proposed in Oregon last week.  Oregon gun owners, if you snooze you’ll lose.

 

Rob-Yes votes have consequences, but different states are different.  Let me remind you that the democrat controlled legislature in Colorado passed anti-gun bills last year and also raised taxes.  Democrat Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper signed them into law.  Colorado citizens then recalled two state senators, including the democrat senate majority leader, John Morse.  Those anti- gun votes continue to have consequences.  Michael Bloomberg said thier anti-gun vote would guarantee the politicians a wave election.  And it might.. sort of.  Colorado Republican Bob Beauprez(BOO-PRAY) leads incumbent Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper by 10 points in the latest polls.  Representative Beauprez among likely voters, 50 percent to 40 percent. The two candidates are essentially even among female voters, while Mr. Beauprez has a 20-point lead among male voters at 54 percent to 34 percent. The Republican challenger also leads the incumbent by 13 points, 50 percent to 37 percent, among independent voters.  The poll has an error of plus or minus 2.8 percent.

 

Rachel comment- Senor Hickenlooper, this wave election.. it does not mean what you think it means.

 

Rachel -Since we’re talking about polls, a recent poll in Utah had some encouraging results.  Sixty-four percent of Utahns are in support of teachers carrying concealed weapons in school.  The poll was released by UtahPolicy.com. As you’d expect, appointed police chiefs in Utah took offense.  Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank agrees with the 33 percent polled who said kindergarten through 12 grade teachers should not carry concealed weapons in the classroom.  The poll surveyed 395 Utahns representing each county in Utah. Participants were asked if they thought teachers should be allowed to carry concealed weapons in the classroom, and if they were aware that Utah law allows them to do so without having to tell parents or school administration.  Four out of five thought a concealed weapon in the classroom made schools safer.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

 

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John- Legislation introduced Wednesday in the House of Representatives would dissolve the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Representative Jim Sensenbrenner from Wisconsin introduced the bill.  The bill would transfer the ATF’s responsibilities to other agencies in the Justice Department. Sensenbrenner said “The ATF is a largely duplicative, scandal-ridden agency that lacks a clear mission.  It is plagued by backlogs, funding gaps, hiring challenges and a lack of leadership. For decades it has been branded by high profile failures.”  Gun owners know that one of the notorious ATF failures was Operation Fast and Furious that walked thousands of firearms into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels.

 

Rob comment- the bill won’t pass the Senate, but I like it anyway.

John – comment – I have to disagree. It is better to keep firearms regulation under an inept agency which gets no respect than put it on the FBI who gets a pass most of the time even when they kill a mother with a child in her arms as at Ruby Ridge.

 

Rachel -All firearms bills are not equal, because some can be misused.  This is an election year, so many politicians are trying to be noticed.  They propose bills that pretend to be hard on crime.  The real question is whether the law will stop violent crime or simply turn gun owners into convicted felons.  Missouri State Senator Jamilah Nasheed intends to introduce a bill setting a ten year minimum penalty for gun crimes.  This is also a trap for perfectly innocent people going about their daily lives.  The question for Missouri gun owners is if Senator Nasheed’s bill is the usual anti- gun catch all bill that criminalizes most lawful gun uses.  I hope our listeners will keep us informed.

 

Rob -From the same people who brought you TSA and want to lose your health care information.. there have been more misadventures with the National Instant Criminal Background Check System under the Federal Bureau of Investigation.  The system was down for two hours on Friday, and had been down eight times earlier in the week.  The system started experiencing problems when the FBI implemented the Next Generation Identification system.  This new system merges facial features, scans irises, and reads palm and fingerprints to identify criminals.  All this is to replace the single Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System. The outages affected both NICS Contracted Call Centers and NICS E-Check.

 

Rachel comment- I’m sorry, please call back later.  We’re experiencing technical difficulties and your rights are unavailable at this time.

 

John -Denying rights in Washington leads us to this next story from the District of Columbia city council.  A federal district judge said the city must allow concealed carry for district residents and for visitors.  The District asked to indefinitely postpone implementing the judges ruling.  It isn’t surprising, but the judge rejected the request.  The judge went further.  District Court Judge Frederick J. Scullin Jr. denied a motion to delay the implementation of his ruling if the decision is appealed.  DC lawmakers wrote legislation that would only grant the right to carry arms to a small number of individuals.  DC citizens would first have to prove they had a “good reason” to carry a firearm. The bill’s sponsor Council Chairman Phil Mendelson said he doubts that they will have more than a couple hundred permits issued a year from now.

 

Rob comment- in other words, the DC city council adopted New Jersey legislation.

John comment-  Looks like it.  We’ll see if that satisfies Judge Scullin.

Rob comment- I read some of their speeches justifying more regulation and I had to laugh.  They cite example of example where their gun control regulations completely failed.. And then they say that is the reason they need more of the same.

comment- insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

 

Rachel -Speaking of New Jersey.. where human rights go to die. New Jersey just raised its court fees. Permits to carry a handgun would now cost $50, up from $20.  Appealing a denial of a permit to buy a handgun, which currently does not have a fee, would now cost $50,

 

Rachel Last month, we reported on the proposed Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commision rule change that would allow the sale of alcohol at gun shows but also potentially end gun shows as we know them with stiff new regulations. At the public hearing, TABC members heard testimony from a roomful of gun owners and gun groups who opposed the new rule as it was proposed. Yesterday, TABC voted to withdraw the proposed rules changes. It seems that the only people disappointed will be those with the Dallas Safari Club – the ones who originally requested this rule.

 

Rob Comment- Sometimes, having enough money DOESN’T get you want you want.

 

John -Talk about the agenda at the GRPC

the conference starts this Friday, and it is free.  Registration opens at 7pm, and then they have a free reception with a cash bar.  Here are some of the speaker’s I’m looking forward to hear, and to talk with during the breaks.

Jeff Knox, Larry Pratt, Stephen Halbrook, Philip Van Cleave, Scott Bach, Jim Wallace, Andrew Rothman, Tom Gresham, Dan Schmutter, David Jensen, David Kopel, John Fund, George Owens, John Lott, Massad Ayoob, John Edeen, Chris Bird, Gene Hoffman, Alan Korwin, Robert Young, Timothy Wheeler, Tim Schmidt, Charles Heller, David Codrea,

 

Rob comment- Anthony Colandro and John Pierce will be there too.

John comment- what about Emily Miller, Bob Owens, Kathy Jackson and Fredy Reil?

 

Rachel Gun Quotes- If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. – Winston Churchill

 

Rachel– Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

John -It’s been a while since we’ve reported on a DGU from Detroit. Yesterday afternoon around 4pm a man was working in his backyard when he caught two men trying to break into his storage building. After one of the men acted like he had a gun, the homeowner shot him in the chest with a shotgun. The burglar is reported in stable condition. Meanwhile, police picked up the other man as he tried to flee. Police say the homeowner did the right thing and had a right to protect himself. They will, however, leave the final decision to the prosecutor’s office.

 

Rob – A homeowner in Van Nuys, California found an intruder in his guest house at 11 pm.  The homeowner and the intruder fought after the intruder threatened to kill the homeowner.  The intruder hit the homeowner with a glass measuring cup and followed the homeowner towards the main house.  The homeowner grabbed his firearm.  The intruder threatened to kill the homeowner and the homeowner shot the intruder, 25 year old Grachia Nalbandyan, in the hip.  Nalbandyan then tried to steal a car to escape. He has an extensive criminal record and is on federal probation for possession of a firearm.  Nalbandyan was denied bail because the break-in was a violation of his probation.

 

Rachel -Burt’s Meat Market has been on Lyons Avenue in Houston, TX for more than 60 years. The manager said in all that time they’ve never been robbed and he’s never had to touch the gun he keeps in the store until last night.  A thief walked into the store and pointed his gun at the teenage clerk’s face.  The store manager saw the gunman from the back room.  He fired twice and struck the thief in the back of the head.  The robber stumbled out of the door and was able to run away, as the search for the robber continues.  The manager said “I looked out a window and all I could see was his hand with a pistol. I didn’t know what to do.  (it was) just spur of the moment.  I just did what I had to do. Everything happened and I did it on instinct. I was just worried about everyone else in here.”

 

John -Dog attacks can be really scary. A Spokane, Washington man found that out when a roaming pitbull attacked his 10-year old German Shepherd service dog as they walked to a store. The man, after kicking the pitbull and hitting it on the muzzle with his pistol, was forced to shoot the pitbull in the side to stop the attack. The service dog’s vest saved him from serious wounds. The pitbull was taken to an emergency vet hospital. Police say the man is not likely to face any charges for shooting the pitbull.

 

Rob- A store clerk at a Marathon gas station in Canton, Ohio faced a 3 on 1 attack and lived to tell about it. After one of the three masked robbers shot him in the leg and hip, he returned fire killing two of the three attackers. 21 year old Ronny Lawson and 23 year old Antonio Gracia were both pronounced dead at local hospitals. The third robber is still on the loose. Det. Capt. Dave Davis said that Lawson and Gracia has long criminal records and they are now looking to see if they were involved in other armed robberies in the area. The clerk who was shot is recovering from his wounds and a second clerk in the store at the time was unharmed. An interesting sidebar to this story is that the clerk that was shot was legally open carrying his pistol at the time of the attempted robbery.

 

Rachel – A thief had been burglarizing a number of condominiums in Palatine, Illinois.  A condo-owner came home late Thursday morning and found Noah Perlman in her bedroom.  Perlman was armed with a hammer and large screwdriver.  The homeowner retrieved her handgun and held Perlman for police.  The thief was charged with residential burglary, felony possession of stolen property valued at over $10,000, forgery of a stolen check, and possession of a controlled substance.

 

Rob comment- Do you really have time to get a gun from a safe AFTER you arrive home and find an intruder?

Rachel- comment- Gun check.  Where is your gun?  I have mine right here.

 

Rob- John, did you mention that you have a Ruger LCR?  I noticed that the LCR is now available for 9mm with moon clips.

John – I have the original Ruger LCR in .38 Special +P. I’d love to have the new LCR in 9mm. Moon clips will make reloads really quick.

 

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  The stories and links are a great way to introduce the podcast to a friend.

 

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Rachel- John do you want to mention anything from your blog you would like to talk about?

 

John- I just renewed my Curios and Relics FFL. What was interesting about that was a question on the renewal application. This was the first time in 18 years that I was asked if I have conducted or intend to conduct internet sales of firearms. If yes, list websites from which you conduct your internet business. I’m wondering if they was a sop to the gun prohibitionists who have been making sales of firearms using the internet a cause celebe. As I said, why this question and why now?

 

John- Rob, do you want to mention anything from you blog?

 

Rob- I’ll have an article out early next week.  It drives me crazy when people criticize women for learning self-defense.  Defending yourself is NOT enabling rape culture.

 

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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  John, Paul, Susan and I will be at the Gun Rights Policy Conference this weekend.  That means we’ll record again next Wednesday and post the podcast next Saturday if things go according to plan.  Until next time… stay safe,

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Episode 271 – How much is a suppressor in China?

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, the 20th of September, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about homemade weapons showing up in China
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Baylor university approving concealed carry on campus
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we will also have a discussion about water storage
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 271 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul- Didn’t get the show that was supposed to go out on Wednesday out on time. It released just this morning. Went shopping for a new handgun for my beautiful blushing bride Susan. She decided on the Glock 23. The store that we support with our business didn’t have one in stock so we ordered it and it should be in late this week, just about the time that GRPC starts.

Got a new Concealment Solutions holster. LOVE the Sidewinder Pro. I never thought that I would like any holster better than the Black Mamba CE however Jason outdid himself with this one. Just like the Black Mamba, this is a hybrid holster, the Sidewinder pro is a outside the waistband hybrid holster. That means that it is both leather and kydex. It also has a thumb break retention strap. I haven’t totally retired the black mamba, however I wore the new sidewinder all this week while I was on the road and I absolutely am in love with this holster. The only negative that I can find is that I have to get used to adjusting my belt to a tighter hole, however that does have the added benefit of making it look like I lost a little bit of weight!

I also have a tiny bit of a rant, if you have an NRA, SAF, GOA, S&W, Glock or other sticker on your back window of your car or pickup PLEASE drive courteously. I don’t have one on my pickup for theft deterrent reasons, but if you have one and you are driving like an idiot you are giving us all a bad name.

John – I couldn’t agree more with Paul on this. I only have my NRA Life Member sticker on my car and you have to look to see it. As for gun stuff, I had planned to take my new rifle to the range and sight it in. I didn’t get to the range but I did take the rifle apart to learn more about it. Found out it assembled on a FN Mauser action from a 1951 Belgian Navy rifle with a barrel made in Pennsylvania. The gunsmith who crafted this rifle also glass bedded the stock.

Rachel- I haven’t been doing much with politics and guns the past few days, beyond working on raising a responsible citizen to join the coming generation of polite society. I really enjoyed his team’s football game Friday – not only because we won soundly, but also because of the great sportsmanship Jordan’s team showed. They played with passion and heart, but every time after they routed the other team during a play, as soon as it was over, they were there giving their opponents a helping hand. That speaks well of becoming a great citizen.

Gary – new products available to order – including ammo.

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Paul-The state of Hawaii denied firearms permits to legal permanent residents because they were not yet citizens.  That practice was appealed and found unconstitutional.  A federal district court ruled that the practice was invalid under the Equal Protection Clause and the Second Amendment.  If the state has any concern justifying the regulation of firearms, the exclusion of legal non-citizens is not narrowly tailored to meet that concern.  The case said is was permissible to deny firearms ownership to illegal residents.  The case is sure to be appealed.

Rachel- Legal private firearms ownership is virtually non-existent in the People’s Republic of China. However, for 2,200 Yuan (about $320 US) you can get a black market Type 64 pistol with silencer and 5 cartridges. It should go without saying that Chinese gun laws are very strict. However, this story from the China Daily goes to show that even in the most authoritarian of countries, gun control doesn’t work.

John – The Student Senate at Baylor University gets it. On Thursday, they voted to approve a resolution that would allow students and others who have concealed handgun permits to carry their guns on the Waco campus. Unsurprisingly, school spokeswoman Lori Fogleman tells the Waco Tribune-Herald that Baylor officials believe allowing the guns would create security challenges. Texas law allows college students with concealed carry licenses to have guns in a locked compartment in their car on campus. Any changes would have to be approved by the University’s Board of Regents.

Paul – The gun control group North Carolinians Against Gun Violence is so desperate for publicity that they held a vigil on Friday evening for a convicted felon killed in a shootout with another man. Nigel Scarlett had been previously convicted of Assault with a Deadly Weapon and was known to be in the drug trade. According to the lawyer for the man who shot Scarlett, the man had no criminal record and shot Scarlett in self-defense after being threatened by him. He suspected Scarlett was behind the home invasion that left his cousin and her boyfriend dead.

Comment – They picked a real winner there.

Comment – Sure would have been nice if they cared as much about honest folks threatened by the likes of Scarlett and others.

Rachel – The billboards supporting Shaneen Allen that Frank Fiamingo told you about here are starting to attract the attention of the New Jersey mainstream media. My9NJ in their Chasing New Jersey segment brought attention to these billboards and had an interview with both Frank and NJ State Sen. Jeff Van Drew. Van Drew, a Democrat, is sponsoring a bill that would give judges the same discretion that Atlantic County Prosecutor Jim McClain has. If you watch the whole episode, you can tell the news staff is sympathetic to Shaneen Allen.

John – There will be a benefit fish fry to support Shaneen Allen and her sons. The event is being held in Philadelphia on October 11th and 12. As the sponsors say, this event is to help support a single mom fighting to keep from being separated from her children over a honest mistake. If you are in the area, we’d urge you to attend.

Paul – The Republican Leader of the NJ Assembly Jon Bramnick has weighed in on the Shaneen Allen case saying, “”This is a case, where a woman with no criminal record, should not go to jail.” He acknowledges that she made a serious mistake but thinks the charge should have been something like disorderly conduct. He noted that Ms. Allen would have had no problems in at least 30 other states. Bramnick also endorsed legislation nicknamed Shaneen’s Law that would lessen the penalties faced by legal concealed carry permit holders who get ensnared in NJ’s laws. The proposed law would mandate pre-trial intervention instead of a minimum of 3 ½ years in prison.

Rachel – Thursday, Reps. Diane Black (R-TN-06) and Ted Poe (R-TX-02) introduced the FIREARM (Freedom From Intrusive Regulatory Enforcement of Arbitrary Registration Mandates) Act – legislation to prohibit the federal government from requiring race or ethnicity to be disclosed in connection with the purchase of a firearm. The ATF changed Form 4473 in 2012 to require the disclosure of race and ethnicity citing a 20-year old OMB mandate. As Rep. Black notes, failure of the purchasers to check the appropriate box can result in the ATF shutting down a dealer’s business for incomplete forms.

Gun Quotes
John – A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie.(bo͝orZHwäˈzē) (middle class) — VLADIMIR ILYICH LENIN

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Segment 4 DGUs

John -A U.S. Army veteran who never fired a shot while serving in Afghanistan found himself exchanging gunfire earlier this week.  27 year old Shaun Cooper and his family were at home.  A teenager knocked on the door, and then began shooting into the house.  Cooper grabbed his own firearm.  The teen saw Cooper through a window, and fired at him.  Cooper shot back and dropped the teenager.  The teenager is in stable condition at a local hospital.  Las Vegas Police believe the teen was attacking the family after arguing with Cooper’s 14 year old brother.

Rachel -A man posted on Craigslist that he had a rifle for sale.  Three men came to look at it.  They examined the rifle then turned it around and pointed it at the seller.  They then tried to rob him of his valuables.  The seller pulled his handgun and told the men to lie on the ground because he knew his handgun was loaded and he knew the rifle he’d handed them wasn’t.  The seller then grabbed his rifle and ran away to call police.  The three men were arrested and booked into jail in Hanover County, North Carolina.

Paul – Our listeners understand that the right to keep and bear arms is about more than just firearms. It includes knives and swords and other implements of defense such as spears. Jimmy Wilson is an active participant in SCA – the Society for Creative Anachronism – and he keeps a short spear by his bed. And it was a short spear that he used to protect himself against a home invader in Wichita Falls, Texas on Wednesday night. The home invader, Thomas McGowan, was lucky to escape with just cuts to his hands and shoulder. As Mr. Wilson said, “I am a Christian man and I don’t want to take life, however I want to make sure that he (McGowan) understands that his life was mine to take. I let him have it.” Police found McGowan a few blocks away from Wilson’s house. After taking him to the hospital to be treated for his wounds, McGowan was charged with criminal trespass, DUI, and evading police with an automobile.

John – A man attempting to rob a Wisconsin truck driver who was working a job in San Antonio Thursday night got more than he bargained for after the trucker pulled out his firearm and used it to protect himself. Joshua McCann was in San Antonio to pick up a motorcycle and then deliver it to Michigan. The robber approached McCann saying he was a cop. When McCann asked to see his badge, the robber said he was going to steal McCann’s truck. That’s when McCann pulled his firearm and shot the robber three times killing him. Police confirmed McCann’s story with bystanders and employees of the motorcycle shop.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 270 – John Pierce

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday September 17th 2014. I’m John Richardson
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have John Pierce to discuss the Washington State firearms initiatives.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and defensive gun use, so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on! Episode 270 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I really haven’t done anything gun related since last week between visiting my step-daughter who is “with child” and work. I do hope to get out this Saturday to sight in some rifles.

Rob- I went to a new range nearby that opened a few weeks ago. I’m trying to get a tour so I can review them.

Rachel- I took advantage of a break in between students to run out to the range and shoot my newly set-up AR. I knew I was gonna love it, I just had no idea it was going to be THAT much fun. It was. :)

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John -You are the first responders.  That is hardly news to our listeners, but it is wonderfully refreshing to hear it from the county coroner in Winston County, Mississippi. Coroner Scott Gregory is fed up with the rash of home and car burglaries in the Louisville, Mississippi  area.  He posted on his facebook page “sit down before you read this.  I’m not encouraging anyone to go on a killing spree. If more folks would handle their own business, I think we would stop getting these calls of houses being broken into.  I say shoot the idiots and call the coroner!”  40 year old Scott Gregory isn’t your average coroner. He’s has been a radio host for 20 years and how hosts a morning show on a classic rock station.  He was a fireman and funeral home worker and was elected coroner in 2003.

Rob – Our listeners are also the first responders to defend our rights.  We received a message from the Minnesota gun owners political action committee.  Anti-self-defense activist Gabby Giffords and her husband Mark Kelly have been spreading their anti-gun money around the Minnesota election.  Giffords and Kelly spent more than $130,000 on a direct mail campaign supporting anti-gun politicians in Minnesota.

We will lose our right of self-defense if we sit back and do nothing.  Sending 15 dollars a year to the NRA is not enough.  Are you registered to vote?  Do you support and volunteer your time to candidates who defend your human rights?  The election season is here.

Rachel – Here is more on politics.  We reported a month ago when Washington DC lost a court decision.  The court told them to allow concealed carry for residents and visitors.  Mayor Vincent C. Gray, D.C. Council Chairman Phil Mendelson and council member Tommy Wells will announce details of the gun-carry proposal today.  We know the city council will put barriers in the way of concealed carriers.  Preliminary reports show the city will adopt a restrictive “demonstrated need” approach to concealed carry.  This is modeled after the laws of Hawaii, New Jersey, Maryland and Massachusetts.

DC residents would have to complete the onerous DC firearms permit process as well as additional safety and training requirements.  City officials say the bill will meet the letter of the law since they will “provide a means for those responsible and suitable firearms owners who can show they have a legitimate need for it to obtain a permit to carry a weapon in public in a concealed manner.”  The city’s police chief would have the authority to deny concealed-carry permits to those who don’t meet the standards.  Permit holders would also be barred from carrying guns in locations including government buildings, public transportation, bars and restaurants, stadiums and places where public officials need to be protected.

John – We have sore news on Panera Cafe.  Panera came out with an anti-gun stand last week when they “requested” that patrons leave their guns at home.  You and I resent the request to be disarmed victims.  We are not alone.  A poll by CNBC proves that point again.  By a ten-to-one ratio, respondents said this decision by Panera Bread Cafes made them think worse of Panera.  Only 9 percent approved the decision.  THAT is news you won’t hear on NBC or in a press release from a Bloomberg astroturf group.

rob – Kochanski’s Concertina Beer Hall was robbed a year ago.  Three men walked into the bar and staged a robbery.  Two of them were armed.  The bar owner shot two of them and killed one of the robbers before the thieves ran away.  100 people celebrated the event this year at Kochanski’s by taking a free concealed carry training class.

Rachel comment- I read the old article about the robbery and self-defense shooting and there were hundreds of comments in support.

John comment- this really is a neighborhood bar.  This is the second concealed carry class they had in the bar.  They had the first class nine days after the shooting last year.

Rachel- Voters in Alabama will vote on a state constitutional amendment designed to protect their right to bear arms for self-defense.  The amendment would preserve their legal rights even if the Second Amendment of the US Constitution were overturned or limited by federal judges.  If federal courts said that sheriffs could deny the right to bear arms, then the Alabama constitution would limit the right of state officials to infringe the right to legally bear arms.

John – Gun Quotes

The show used to be called politics and guns, and we are a few weeks away from the next election.  Our quote is “If your answer to every failure of government is MORE government, then you are like an alcoholic trying to drink yourself sober,” said Will Spencer

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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John Pierce- Washington initiative 594.  Assault weapons bans have failed.  Assault weapons were never a problem.  Gun control advocates now want to impose “universal background checks”.   Background checks are a way to register firearms.  This also requires a background check for any “transfer”.  594 increases the waiting period from 5 days to 10 days for all handguns.  A SBR requires a transfer.  They want to make firearms ownership too cumbersome to be practical.  Every firearm in the state requires registration.  This law does not read like the rest of Washington legislation.  It looks like this law was copied from New York legislation.

-DC proposes more regulation for concealed carry.  We have a statement of intent from the DC city council.  They want a “may issue” system based on an immediate need.  You need prior police reports to justify your future need.  The need requirement was approved by the 4th circuit court.  Reciprocity would depend on demonstrated need as well.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Stupid runs in this family.  Three men cased a Houston convenience store.  One came back wearing a mask and waving a shotgun at the owner and his family.  That is when 20-year-old Usman Seth snatched the 9mm Smith & Wesson handgun out of his father’s hands and shot the thief.  The thief fired back while Seth yelled at the thief to drop his weapon.  Seth finally shot him again and killed him.  Paramedics removed the thief’s mask and the store employees recognized the thief.  The thief’s brother came to the store the next day and threatened to murder the family.  The store had been robbed several times before.

Rob Comment- I hope the Houston police put the fear of death into the thiefs family.

John – Comment- it won’t be long until the dead robber’s family claim he was a good person and was turning his life around.

Rob – 60 year old Todd Taylor went to his estranged wife’s home in Swatara, Pennsylvania.  He fired several times at her home with his shotgun.  He walked inside and shot through doors, wounding people barricaded inside.  The homeowner’s nephew fled the house, but then returned and shot Taylor.  The nephew then disarmed Taylor and waited for police to arrive.  County prosecutors will not file charges.

John?- An employee for an armored car company walked up to a bank in Lakewood, Washington.  He noticed a man wearing an obvious disguise standing outside the bank.  Instead of entering the bank, he contacted another armored car employee inside.  As the armored car guard approached from inside the bank, the robber drew his weapon and fired.  The guard fired in self-defense.  The robber was hit in the head and the thigh, but managed to limp to a getaway car.  The criminal was later dumped at a near by hospital and rushed into surgery.  Police are looking for the female driver of the getaway car.

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(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

I did a post on Saturday morning about an offer from the Americans for Responsible Solutions – the Gabby Giffords – Mark Kelly organization. They were giving away a copy of their new book for a donation of ANY size. I gave them $1 and think that it will cost them about $7 plus for the book and postage. As Mike Vanderboegh said, quoting Chairman Mao, it is the duty of every guerrilla to sap the strength of his enemy by existing off that enemy’s substance. As I said, that is $6 plus dollars that won’t be going to their anti-gun cause.

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 269 – Frank Fiamingo

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday, September 14th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll discuss some updates in the Shaneen Allen prosecution with Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly news and self-defense stories.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: and strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 269 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rachel- I visited with Texas GOP Chairman Steve Munisteri at a local Republican club meeting last week and reminded him about the resolution we passed at the State Convention in June to prioritize gun legislation. Hopefully he will encourage the State Republican Executive committee to take up that issue. However, it looks like we’re going to have to wait until the December meeting for that; I attended the quarterly SREC meeting yesterday and, unfortunately, gun right legislation was nowhere on their radar.

Sometimes political activism involves high-energy, fast-action, heavily-involved intense work. This weekend was quite the opposite. On the surface, nothing was accomplished for gun rights or liberty. It was the slow, behind-the-scenes work of meeting people in positions of authority and power, networking, holding them accountable, letting them know we WILL be back, and being supportive of those who have supported us in the past. Our time is all limited, and political activism can be discouraging; I believe we must each pick what we feel is the most valuable way to use our time. For me, this past weekend, that was the SREC meeting, and I’m glad I went.

Rob- Steel shoot with two new shooters. The other three friends that were supposed to join me called in sick. I chose the slow and sure approach and had one miss out of 30 targets. That was good enough to win a pin.

Paul – Had Monday and Tuesday off for truck repairs and since I want to go to GRPC I worked Saturday. That means that we record this one on Sunday. I did get some exciting gun related stuff done this week though. I secured the range for 2 REALLY cool weekends next year. We have already released that Bob Mayne and Ben Branam are coming up to do their Beyond Concealed Carry class in May, and Just this week we finalised plans for Kathy Jackson to come back to Sioux Falls next August to to another Cornered Cat co-ed class! I have one more that I am working on that I am SUPER excited about that just isn’t ready to talk about yet. I REALLY wish that I could because it is super cool, but stay tuned I hope to be able to give out details in the near future.

Had a bit of a scare when I got to SF last night. I was backing my truck into a spot at a receiver where we do drop trailer loads. There wasn’t supposed to be anyone there, and as I drove around the building there wasn’t. As I finished my back a SUV pulls around to the back of the building (where I am backing in) and has it’s bright lights shining right at my truck. (when I back I have the driver’s side window rolled all the way down and at some points in the back I am actually sticking my head out of the window as I look back) I had no night vision now, and all I could see was these bright headlights pointing at me. I stopped the truck, set the breaks, rolled the window up and grabbed my phone. After a few minutes the SUV started rolling again and when he turned his headlights away from me I could see that it was the security patrol. Just a gentle reminder, if you are around a truck that is backing at night, even your low beams can hurt the drivers eyes if you are pointing them at the truck as he is backing up. High beams will mostly blind him and really get him paranoid.

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Episode 268 – Kids and Guns

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, September 10th, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use. so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rachel : and hang on! Episode 268 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rachel- You won’t believe it. I can’t believe it actually happened….but it’s true, I finally got those parts put on my gun, thanks to a great friend’s help. My AR now has a low-profile gas block, free-float handguard, BattleComp compensator, EOTech, and a couple of Magpul add-ons. Now I really can’t wait to go out and shoot the thing.

John – Since the weekend, it has been work, work, work. I did get time this afternoon to drop into my local surplus store and now have a great first aid kit. All I need to make it a blowout kit is a chest seal.

Rob- I had dry practice and a group training session. I’ll take a group to their first steel shoot this Saturday. I’m already excited that the Gun Rights Policy Conference is two weeks away. I’ve already had a friend say he can’t go due to financial problems.

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Rachel- Arizona is a gun friendly state.  Unfortunately this is the political season and there is a gun grabber in every crowd.. even in the Arizona legislature.   Democratic Representative Victoria Steele plans to introduce a bill to making it illegal to transfer an automatic firearm to anyone under the age of 16, including at a gun range.  There is never a shortage of politicians who want to limit your access to firearms.  Let me apologize to our democrat listeners.  I know these politicians don’t speak for you.

John Comment- So kids would be confined to shooting crew served weapons that sit on a tripod?  That doesn’t make sense.

John – We reported that a California District Court judge found aspects of the 10 day waiting period unconstitutional.  A similar case has been filed in Georgia.  The organization  Georgia Carry took a county sheriff to court over a county imposed mandatory 10-day waiting period on sales of used guns.  The suit names Sheriff Richard Roundtree as a defendant and is seeking the county’s ordinance on selling used weapons be overturned. The county ordinance places a mandatory 10-day hold on used firearms before a dealer can resell them. The gun rights group maintains this violates Georgia’s preemption law that prohibits counties and cities from regulating the sale of firearms.  10 days might once have been a reasonable time to report and detect a stolen firearm.  Now it takes seconds with electronic communications.

Rachel Comment- I hope the county pays up.

Rob – Here is a city that is getting an education in human rights.  The city spends money on parades and public events.  It spends money on security provided by city employees.  The city spends taxpayer money on sanitation services provided by city employees for these special events.  The city sets up public address systems.  So there you are as a member of the  public at.. say the fourth of July Celebration in a city park.. and the city says you have to leave your right of free speech at home.  The Idaho constitution protects the first amendment for speech and assembly.  The Idaho constitution also protects the right to bear arms in public.  That is why the Idaho Second Amendment Alliance is suing the city of Coeur d’Alene.  Fortunately Coeur d’Alene City Councilman Steve Adams has made Coeur d’Alene’s local ordinance – banning all weapons at parades and public assemblies – an issue since March of this year.  Councilman Adams again asked the council to allow people attending a local parade or assembly to carry firearms.

The Idaho Second Amendment Alliance asks firearms owners to attend the city council meetings in Emmett, Fruitland, Lewiston and Mountain Home as well.

John Comment- we asked you nicely, and since that didn’t work, here is a lawsuit you get to explain  to the voters.

rachel – We’ve heard anti- gun groups advocate making a panicked phone call to the police every time they see a firearm in public.  That may now land someone in jail for lying to the police.  21 year old John Crawford called police and said a man was waving a rifle around inside a Wal-Mart store.  Crawford said the man was pointing the rifle at children and threatening them.  Crawford said the gunman had shot people and was reloading to shoot again.  Police arrived and shot the gunman.

Video records indicate the shopper was carrying a pellet rifle he was buying at Wal-Mart.    The shopper was talking with his girlfriend at the time and was in a calm state of mind.   Now the witness, John Crawford is changing his story and says the shopper was never a danger to anyone.  Before he was shot, the shopper told the police  the firearm was not real.  Investigation showed the air-rifle was unloaded and the shopper did not have any pellets for it.  All of this was captured on security video.  All of Crawford’s statements are recorded on the 911 call.  The investigation brings Crawford’s actions as well as the actions of local police into question.  Local police turned the investigation over to the Ohio Attorney General.  A grand jury convenes on September 22.

john – Turnabout is fair play, and also funny.  The corporate management of Panera Bread Cafes asked gun owners to avoid their restaurant while carrying.  In response, a shooting range posted a sign asking patrons not to bring their full carb loaded automatically glycemic Panera bread into their range.

Rachel Comment- works for me.  I can avoid Panera.

Rob Comment- I remember Panera Bread.  An Omaha, Nebraska Panera Bread store was robbed and the armed robber forced the disarmed store employees to huddle in a bathroom until he left.

Rachel comment- Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal made a public statement supporting Panera’s no gun request, Quote “Another company does the right thing.  Panera Bread asks customers to leave guns at home.”

John – Comment – that would be the same Sen. Blumenthal that lied about his service in Vietnam.

rob – Here is another case of turnabout.  This time the police are claiming that their ignorance of the law justifies a false arrest.  We told you about the Vice Principal at a Bakersfield junior high who was arrested for bringing a firearm on campus.  The police forgot to check that the Vice Principal had a concealed carry license when he brought his licensed firearm with him in his backpack on campus.  Now the police are being sued for false arrest.

Rachel- Comment- The cops are saying the law is too complicated to understand?

Rob- Comment- Yep, that is their defense.

John- Comment- These are the same cops always say “tell it to the judge”.  The vice principal will do exactly that, and the cops should lose big time.

Rob- Comment- I wish I were on that jury.

rachel – There appears to be a double standard for teacher’s misconduct in California.  In the previous example, the teacher did not break the law, but was put on administrative leave.  Here is an example of a teacher threatening students with lethal harm and her union was successful in keeping her on the job.  Consider what your sheriff would do if you said things like California teacher Krista Hodges.  Quote, “I already wanna stab some kids.  Is that bad?  So happy to be done with school for ten days, but especially to be away from the ones who truly try my patience and make my trigger finger itchy.”  I wonder why the teachers union protected this teacher but not the vice principal?

Rob- Comment- They were blinded by their anti-gun ideology.

John- comment- you or I would be in jail if we said thing like that online.

john – The California legislature passed bills requiring that air-rifles and toy guns have barrels with a bright orange muzzle.  That bill has not been signed into law, but police already found drug gangs with real firearms painted to look like a child’s toy.  The dangerously naive thinking of the proposed law is children are at risk once criminals paint their firearms to look like toys.

Rachel- comment- Politicians have never stopped grabbing guns simply because their laws don’t work.

rob – Hours ago, the Missouri Senate overrode Democrat Governor Jay Nixon’s veto of a state firearms preemption bill.  The pre-emption bill was strongly opposed by advocates of local firearms regulation like Kansas City Mayor Sly James, Senate Minority Leader Democrat Jolie Justus, and Saint Louis Mayor Democrat Francis Slay.  The vote in the senate was 23 to 8, and the bill is expected to easily pass in the state assembly.   A carry permit in Missouri already allows the licensee to carry concealed or open.  This bill also reduces the age requirement for a conceal carry permit to 19 from 21 and allows specially trained teachers to carry concealed guns in public schools.

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rachel – New York City is buying an acoustic sensor system to locate gunfire in the city.  This reduces police response time after shots are fired on the street.  The system only covers a fraction of the five boroughs.  The city hopes to have the system operating by early 2015.  The police commissioner and mayor said the system could help police reduce the rising number of public shootings.

John- Comment- These are the same city officials who disarm the citizens and make them helpless.

Rachel- comment- Yep, no concealed carry.

Rob- comment- not even a pocket knife.  New York City is officially a weapons free area.

Rachel- comment- their gun-free zone is broken.

john – Now this is a gun buyback I can support.  Ohio Carry set up tables near a gun buy-back scheduled by the Cleveland Police.  The police offered gift certificates and tickets to a minor league hockey team.  Ohio Carry offered cash. Quote “We saved about 100 guns. Anything worth saving was saved. I would say less than 10 guns of actual value made it through us to get turned in to police. If the guns weren’t worth anything, we directed them over to the police to at least get something for them. And we did encounter a couple with scratched off serial numbers that we immediately directed to the police.”

Rob- comment- Every gun that we keep guns from police buy-backs, a gun grabber sheds a tear.

John – comment – It also goes to show criminals can use gun buybacks to ditch hot guns anonymously.

rob – It worked in California, so now they gun-grabbers are trying it in Oregon.  The first hearing on banning lead ammunition is scheduled for September 16.  The Oregon House Interim Committee On Agriculture and Natural Resources will hold an “informational meeting” on lead ammo legislation.  Governor Kitzhaber behind the lead ammo ban.  It’s unclear if this legislation will start as a ban on lead ammo for hunting, or a ban on lead ammo altogether. This is a political effort, not an environmental one, so I’d ask Oregon firearms owners to become active now.  This first hearing is a political setup since it is open to the public but only invited testimony is allowed.

John- comment- the name for this is rationalization.

rachel –  The Bloomberg group Moms Demand Attention has told Kroger Supermarkets to ban firearms, or else their billionaire funder will take out advertisements against the supermarket.  They made that press release during the same week when 100 teens went on a rampage in a shopping mall and in a Kroger market.  They knocked three people unconscious and stomped and kicked one of the unconscious victims.  The store was in Memphis, Tennessee

Rob- comment- It’s called Mogadishu on the Mississippi for a reason!

john – Wait, friends, there is more.  The media outlet MSNBC ran a poll asking its viewers if Kroger shoppers should be allowed to carry handguns in the store.  83 percent of the respondents said yes.  Only one person in six said citizens bearing arms could threaten public safety.

Rachel- comment- I doubt that was the answer they expected.

Rob- comment- I bet they won’t ask that question again.

rob – The US Department of Justice is hampering an the legal investigation lead by.. the US Department of Justice.  Senior officials at the DOJ barred and delayed the inspector general from access to documents investigating Operation Fast and Furious.  The IG said “The FBI and some other department components … have refused our requests for various types of documents. As a result, a number of our reviews have been significantly impeded.”  The DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.  Operation Fast and Furious was one of the  DOJ programs that ran guns to Mexican drug cartels.  Those firearms were then used to kill mexican citizens and US border patrol agents.

rachel – Firearms sales reached a phenomenal record last year.  This year they have dropped back to the still unbelievable rates of 2012.  The National Shooting Sports Federation released its  August 2014 adjusted National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) figure of 989,337 per month.  That is the third highest August on record for the 16-year-old system, even with a decrease of 2.7 percent compared to the August 2013 NSSF-adjusted NICS figure of 1,016,559.  For comparison, the unadjusted August 2014 NICS figure of 1,538,347 reflects a 9.2 percent increase from the unadjusted NICS figure of 1,408,468 in August 2013. The adjusted NICS data were derived by subtracting out NICS purpose code permit checks used by several states such as Connecticut, Illinois, and Utah for CCW permit application checks as well as checks on active CCW permit databases.

John- comment- Gun culture 2.0 is alive and growing.

Rachel- comment- I’d heard that gun sales were down, but I didn’t believe it because I still couldn’t find 22 caliber ammunition on the shelves.

Rob- comment- I like the way you think.  One observation on store shelves is worth a stack of statistics.

john – Gun culture 2.0 is not confined to the United States.  A report from Vienna  reveals that applications for gun permits in the Austrian capital are growing and there are now 85,000 registered weapons in the city. A local woman said she bought a gun after several of her neighbours had been the victims of crime. In Austria, gun laws are much less strict than in the United Kingdom.  Many weapons that require a full licence from the police can be purchased over the counter in Austria, such as pump-action shotguns and repeating rifles.  Only weapons like handguns and semi-automatic rifles require a licence, and there were 460 new applications last year.

rob- A New Jersey lawmaker took up the case of Shaneen Allen.  New Jersey State Senator Jeff Van Drew said “In this case, we’re punishing an innocent woman who made an honest mistake, and was totally legal in her home state of Pennsylvania. I mean, honest mistakes happen, she’s a legal, law-abiding person and a mistake occurred and quite frankly the judge should have discretion and jurisdiction.” Van Drew co-sponsored a bill so cases like Allen’s can avoid the state’s mandatory jail time if convicted.  A similar bill is in the New Jersey House.

rachel – The new jersey second amendment association started their fully informed voter project this week.  They handed out leaflets across from the County criminal court in Atlantic County, NJ.  They greeted people arriving for jury duty and said “Good morning, may I give you this brochure on juror rights”.   Over all, people seem to be interested in knowing what their rights are.   They will be back next Monday to continue leafletting in Atlantic County.  They have plans to expand into all of New Jersey’s 21 counties.

rachel Gun Quotes

Those who want to reap the benefits of this great nation must bear the fatigue of supporting it.  Thomas Paine

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

John – A man was standing in line at a North Philadelphia takeout restaurant.  Another man in line drew a gun and tried to rob him.  The restaurant customer drew his own firearm and shot the robber in the neck.   The robber was taken to Temple University Hospital in critical condition. The shooter was claiming self defense. There was no initial word on any charges.

comment- action beats reaction

rob – Douglas Hudson, 36, had a protective order against him filed by his ex-girlfriend. That didn’t stop him from entering her bedroom early Saturday morning with a pistol in his hand. She awoke to see Hudson standing at the foot of her bed where she was sleeping with her current boyfriend. The current boyfriend grabbed his pistol and engaged in a gunfight with Hudson. Both men ended up being shot and were transported to UAB Hospital for treatment. Hudson died at the hospital from his injuries. He had a lengthy criminal record for cocaine trafficking as well as assault. Birmingham [AL] police are investigating the shooting as a homicide and the details will be presented to the District Attorney’s Office. Investigators did note that Hudson had made a key to her residence without her consent.

rachel – Moss Point [MS] police arrested Nicholas Buchan, 21, of Pascagoula after responding to a home invasion on Adcock Street on Friday. Moss Point Police Chief Art McClung said Buchan invaded the home of a married couple around 4 a.m. Friday morning. The home invader entered through a window but was chased out of the home by the husband who was armed. There are no reports of shots being fired. Chief McClung says the couple was able to give a good description of Buchan and provide a nickname. Buchan was later arrested for burglary.

John – A shotgun-wielding home invader was shot and killed by the homeowner early Sunday morning. The incident happened in Person County [NC].  According to Sheriff Dewey Jones, the homeowner, whom the sheriff refused to name, discovered Jonathan Ellias Ziminack, 25 in his bedroom around 5am. The homeowner pulled a pistol from beside his bed and fired one shot at the home intruder. The bullet hit the shotgun before striking Ziminack in the stomach. Ziminack was airlifted to Duke University Med Center where he died.  Ziminack’s getaway driver, Cody Alicia Bowling, 20, was charged with conspiracy to commit 1st Deg Burglary. Other charges may be pending against her.

rachel Comment – According to NC records, Ziminack was a convicted felon who was only released in January.

rob – An Omaha, Nebraska man was at home Monday morning.  A man rang the bell at the front of his house.  Before he could answer, the man came in through the front door.  The homeowner’s four year old daughter saw the man outside her bedroom door.  That is when the homeowner shot the intruder. Police Officers found Darrell Miller lying on the porch with a gunshot wound.  He was taken to a local medical center where he died.  The intruder had an outstanding warrant for his arrest.

John comment- Don’t get between a bear and her cubs, or a dad and his four year old daughter.

rachel-  We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  They are a great way to introduce our podcast to a friend.

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Kids and guns-
Kids and guns is a continuation of kids and responsibility. I added rules to child’s play. When you see kids play with monsters, you ask them where the monster went, and ask them to put the monster away in its crate when they are done playing with it. Later you ask, Where is your sword. You didn’t leave it on the floor where I’d cut myself, did you? Here, you need a scabbard for your sword. The point is that there are rules even in fantasy play.

This continues when your children shoot finger guns. Don’t point that loaded finger gun at me. Let’s check if your finger gun is loaded. You need a holster. Treat your finger gun as if it is always loaded.

Children and Firearms: raising a polite society

How do you raise a polite society?
How do you raise your kids to be the kind of citizens you want them to be….responsible, trustworthy, courteous; able to handle firearms safely and competently, understanding their purpose and use? How do you make that happen?

Same way you’d teach anything else really important that you want to instill in them: model it. Be that person. Let them see you as a safe, responsible, knowledgeable firearms owner and user in your daily life.

Considerations:
1.) Safety
2.) Privacy – consider what they will tell others. Don’t let them have information that’s not public until you trust them to keep it private.
Rob- Say that again-

Teach them to keep information private – there are some things we just don’t talk about.

As long as you don’t hinder your safety or privacy, include your children in the way you make firearms a part of your everyday life.

Safety Rules
– make them memorize as young as possible
– even before then, let them see you living out the safety rules

Handling
– Let them see you clean guns (considerations: good ventilation)
– Let them help you (age-appropriately and with supervision as needed)
– Show them how it works (age-appropriately) so it’s not a mystery
Scenario: Jordan figuring out how to reassemble, exploring the various parts and seeing how they fit together

Rob? Take the excitement away from firearms by satisfying a child’s . A dirty gun gathers no excitement. A dirty gun in pieces is less than exciting, it is repulsive. My children had to clean before they could touch. They had to clean before they could shoot.

Carrying
– start them as early as possible with toy guns, wooden sticks you’re pretending to be guns, stocks with a sling; when they’ve demonstrated safety and maturity, move to BB guns, airsoft, then actual firearms
– Teach them to do it just as you would with a real gun – using a good holster, being careful not to sweep bystanders when drawing
Scenario: children carrying play guns alongside their parents at open carry walks – follow the same safety rules
Scenario: when I’m loaning a youth shooter my 10/22 for an Appleseed shoot, I will show them how to use it and carry it safely, then I let THEM be the ones to carry it to the line.

Shooting
– Be sure it’s comfortable and enjoyable
– Noise: use plenty of ear protection
– eye protection – teach the importance
– Hot brass: they’ll experience it eventually but try to prevent it from happening the first few times
– Elbow pads, knee pads, etc.
– Fit the gun to them – shorter stocks, risers, etc.
– Gloves sometimes help
– Let them take their time – dont’ rush them
– Let them leave when they’re done – don’t force them to stay
– Food and water
– Let them handle the guns, clear them, dryfire, etc. long before a trip to the range so they’re comfortable with the gun
Scenario: Appleseed shoots are a great introduction to shooting for responsible youth shooters. Bring a group of friends and make it the cool thing to do. Go out for ice cream afterward – that’s my tradition and everyone knows they’ll have that to look forward to after a long, tiring day at the range.

Other considerations:
– It’s OK if they don’t love guns. Your goal isn’t to raise a gun nut – it’s to raise a safe, responsible citizen.
– If your kid didn’t want to read, he’d still have to learn. He may never be an English major but he still needs to learn to read fluently. That’s how I’d treat firearms training – like a mandatory school subject that they must learn, and then they can choose what to do with it in the future after they are fluent in the basics.
– Consider what things might make your children dislike firearms and try to prevent it. For example: you paying more attention to guns and shooting than you do to them; a poor experience shooting; being laughed at; guns that don’t fit well; having to go to a shooting event when they wanted to do something else.

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John – I did a post that I put up last night playing off something Sen. Harry Reid said Monday. Reid, talking about the Koch brothers, said billionaires were trying to buy our democracy. Harry’s right but he had the wrong billionaires. If you look at the amount of money put into the universal background check initiative in Washington State, I-594, you will see approximately 75% of it comes from five billionaires plus one multimillionaire heiress. Collectively, they have put in over $5 million dollars into the campaign. On the pro-gun side the largest individual donation was by a Boeing engineer and it was for $1,500. Now who are the billionaires trying to buy democracy. You decide.

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. John and Rob will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 267 – Michael Cargill, Brandon Combs and Frank Fiamingo

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, September 6th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we will talk with Michael Cargill who is running for office in Austin, Texas
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have Brandon Combs back with us to talk about new firearms laws.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly gun news and self- defense stories
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 267 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul- The truck died.. again! This time it is the AC unit. Dry fire practice. I have a sidewinder pro holster on the way.

Rob-  I’ve been busy. Business cards, ammo, dry practice, steel shoot. Wrote an article.  John, one of our listeners sent me a link to open source software that records the shot pattern from your SIRT pistol.  http://phrack.github.io/ShootOFF/  Listener John in Texas, please take note.  Oh, I edited Wednesday’s show on my day off.

John – Not much in the way of gun stuff to report since Wednesday. I did order a Kydex holster to go with the SIRT pistol. It’s hard to practice your draw without a holster unless, of course, you want to end up like Plaxico Burris.

Rob- you don’t have an M&P?

Rachel- I taught my brother how to take apart, clean, and reassemble my AR and XD. That’s the beauty of homeschooling. :) It gave me some great ideas for a tips and tricks segment on children and firearms…stay tuned for that in the near future. I’ve also been making plans for a Battle Road defensive handgun class with some friends of mine. You know you have great friends when that’s their idea of hanging out and celebrating everyone being in town together.

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John-Joseph Palumbo, co-owner of the Albion Gun Shop, released information today that New York State Police officers from the Narcotics Enforcement Unit demanded the shop’s release of all customers who purchased New York SAFE Act compliant rifles under threat of a warrantless SWAT Team Raid. Since the passing of the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (S.A.F.E.) Act, the New York State Troopers Narcotics Enforcement Unit has been delegated to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act and to handle all matters pertaining to the S.A.F.E. Act. This unit visited Mr. Palumbo on several occasions, disrupting his business, to see that Mr. Palumbo is compliant with the S.A.F.E. act provisions for licensed gun shops owners. “The New York State Police told me that my guns were NY S.A.F.E. compliant. The chief of the Medina police told me my rifles were NY S.A.F.E. compliant and in fact purchased one of the guns from my shop.” James D. Tresmond, attorney for the Albion Gun Shop, raised the possibility of entrapment. “My client disclosed to me that he would not have sold these rifles to the general public had they not been approved by the New York Division of State Police”

Rachel Comment- That makes sense that Governor Cuomo got the drug cops to enforce the gun laws.  The drug cops are usually the most corrupt unit on the police force.

Rob- Could dirty cops tie up an honest store in court and drive them out of business.

Paul -We brought you a number of pro-self-defense news articles we found in the mainstream press.  Perhaps this next news item explains why the press has changed their attitude.  In San Francisco, a TV reporter was robbed at gunpoint while he was sitting inside his Television Station news van.  The thieves took his wallet, computers and television equipment.  All this happened in “gun free” San Francisco.

Rob Comment-  Go ahead, mister news announcer.  Tell me the police will protect me.  I dare you.

Rachel- A firearms manufacturer in Oregon was suddenly blocked from processing credit card transactions.  The company that Calico Light Weapons Systems used to process the transactions said the company was involved in illegal activities.  The manufacturer denied this, and the bank would not specify what activities were illegal.  The manufacturer believes it is the latest victim of the Obama administration’s “Operation Choke Point.”  Operation Choke Point lets the Departments of Justice and Treasury block banks from servicing selected businesses.  Calico Systems recovered by partnering with McMillan Merchant Solutions.  McMillan is based in Arizona and was started by members of a firearm manufacturing company.  McMillan simply decided that it won’t be cowed by the government’s strong-arm tactics.

Paul Comment-  This sounds like more lies, denials and delays from the obama administration.

John Comment-  And the Obama administration didn’t run guns to Mexico either.. just ask the mainstream media.

Rob- comments- Calico sells springs, screws and small gun parts.  They were accused of selling firearms over the internet.

Rob- The Point Marion Police Department in Fayette County closed its doors after settling lawsuits against two police officers.  The city manager of this Pennsylvania town said “We had to lay off all the officers due to the fact that we do not have police liability insurance.”  The insurance carrier dropped the department after paying two settlements against the department’s only two police officers.  One of the officers was fired from two other nearby Police Departments.  This time the officer was sued was by the ACLU for arresting a citizen who was recording the officer on his cell phone.  The ACLU won.  Insurance premiums went up ten fold.  The city can’t afford the insurance and closed their police department.  The city is now patrolled by state police.

John- The Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA’s Civil Rights Legal Defense Fund are teaming up to sue the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas Islands in US District Court over their ban on the possession and use of handguns. The Commonwealth of Northern Marianas Islands is a US territory. As SAF head Alan Gottlieb notes, ““The Second Amendment does not just apply to the continental United States and Hawaii. It also applies to territories under U.S. jurisdiction. The issue is a fundamental civil right, not only to possess a handgun, but also to use firearms for self-defense purposes, which is currently banned in the Northern Marianas.” The Northern Marianas are located north and east of the Philippines in the Pacific Ocean and includes the island of Saipan.

Rachel Comment – It is good to see the NRA and SAF working together on this issue.
Rob- comment- Guam issues concealed carry permits.

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Paul- Speaking of the Second Amendment Foundation..  The organization Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership will officially become part of SAF.  JPFO operations will move from Wisconsin to Washington.  The new board of directors at JPFO has not been made public.

Rachel-  School started, and some things changed this fall in Idaho.  That is because Idaho became the seventh state to allow concealed carry on campus.  Oregon, Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Mississippi and Wisconsin also allow students to conceal weapons on campus.  Campus carry in Idaho requires an enhanced permit, and some 3000 permits have already been issued.  Some of the permits were issued to Idaho college students.

Rob- Comment- I’m know these laws drive some of the college administrators crazy.

John- Comment- The college administrators are crazy to oppose campus carry.  I’ve had soldiers and veterans as students in college courses.  We’d be crazy to disarm them.  These experienced adults have seen more stress and demonstrated more self-control than ANY university administrator.

Rachel- Comment- Soldiers and veterans absolutely have the right to carry on campus…along with the rest of us.

Rob- Most of us are familiar with the gun safety education for elementary school children called the Eddie Eagle program.  It is once again part of the curriculum in some Jacksonville, Florida schools.  The school allows parents to opt out of the gun safety program.  The only reason this made the news is that a parent complained.  He said he would have opted his child out of the program if he’d known it was developed by the NRA.  The program encourages children to stop when they see a gun, not to touch it, to leave the area and tell an adult right away.  School officials said the district hopes utilizing the program will help prevent tragedies that start by children playing with guns.

Paul Comment- All publicity is good publicity.. as long as they spell the name right.

Rachel Comment- again, the beauty of homeschooling: you can throw in gun safety or even shooting classes without going through any government red tape or dealing with school regulations..

John- Billionaire Mayor Michael Bloomberg knows how to pick his allies.  We criticize the mayor for his organization Mayors Against Illegal Guns.  That is because so many of his mayors have been arrested for corruption.  Once you’ll take money from Michael Bloomberg, you’ll take money from anybody.  Now we see a similar thing happen to the Bloomberg group, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.  Erika Quinn, the Oklahoma leader of Demanding Moms,  has a restraining order against her.  The restraining order bars Ms Quinn from being within 300 yards of her children and prohibits her from having firearms.  That is why it is hard for Erika Quinn to explain a picture of her holding a shotgun on her twitter page.

Rachel- comment- Gun control means training regularly.  Gun sense means taking a real class in armed self-defense.  THAT is how real moms keep their children safe.
Rob- comment  Does Twitter have throw-back thursday?

Paul- Does it feel like there are one set for rules for government officials and another set of rules for ordinary citizens?  A judge from the Fourth District Court of Appeals said that judges in the district may enter courthouses armed and may carry concealed.  The rest of us have to be fingerprinted.  The rest of us have to undergo a background check.  The rest of us have to demonstrate training and proficiency.  The rest of us are disarmed in most government buildings.

Rachel Comment- Not if you’re a judge.
Rob Comment- I read where two Califonia judges were disciplined for having sex in their chambers.
John Comment- I wonder if the judge can enter a post office while armed?

Rachel- Shaneen Allen was arrested for bringing a gun into New Jersey.  Also in New Jersey, Bonnie Oliver Allamong was prosecuted for bringing her firearm to her sisters house to protect her sister from domestic abuse.  Both are victims of New Jersey prosecutors.  Now lawyers have asked to look at the prosecution record to see if there is a consistent pattern of abusive prosecution.  Atlantic County prosecutor Jim McClain did not hand over the documents as requested by defense attorneys.

John Comment- That says something when attorneys question the impartiality of the prosecution.
Paul Comment- We have a legal system, not a justice system.

Rob- Many gun owners across the country are subject to background checks as they buy firearms and get licenses to carry concealed.  The background check is the holy grail of gun-safety for gun prohibitionists.  Recent news revealed that a terrorists fighting for ISIS passed a background check and worked as a baggage handler at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.  The MInneapolis Metropolitan Airports Commission handles security clearances and background checks for the airport.  The terrorist was recently killed while fighting in Syria.

Rachel Comment- well that makes me feel safer.
John Comment- at least he passed his background check.

John – Gun Quotes
I do not carry a pistol so I can impose my will on someone else. I carry a pistol so someone else cannot impose their will on me! – Lynn Givens of Rangemaster.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Michael Cargill 6:30 CDT owns Central Texas Gun Works, host of the Come And Talk It radio show, is also running for Austin City Council

Traffic management motivated me to run for Austin City Council.

How do you feel you’ve already impacted the Austin gun culture?  How could you continue to do so as Austin City Council member?  We live in Austin, and we have to both vote and talk to our elected representatives.  Your vote makes a difference.  Go to city council meetings and go to the state capital.  I have to have input from the citizens of Austin so I can advance their interests.  There are a lot of us who do our own research.  I can cover their back and they need to cover mine.

Frank Fiamingo 6:30 CDT
The Jersey Zone
Educate the Juror
Brandon Combs 7 pm CDT
Win, loss, tie?
What do we do now?
GRAS rollout.
You must vote, but voting is not enough.
Paying taxes and complaining won’t defend your right of self-defense.
CalFFL on Facebook

Segment 4 DGUs

John- The Ottumwa [IA] Police Department was dispatched to a Burglary in Progress at approximately 3:21 p.m., Tuesday. The home’s owner called police after he found a man in his basement.  The homeowner went downstairs looking for his cat.  He found a partially disrobed intruder instead.  The homeowner called police and grabbed his handgun.  42 year old Billy Ray Snow was arrested at the scene and charged with trespassing.

Rob Comment- and intoxication, I’ll bet.

Paul- A mob of teens in Milwaukee tried to rob a group of tavern employees as they were walking to their cars after closing time Monday night. Fortunately, one of the employees was legally carrying concealed and fought back. One of the attackers, a 15 y.o. with gang ties and a long criminal history including armed robbery, was killed. Police took the rest of the teen attackers into custody. Milwaukee Police Lt. Mark Stanmeyer said the group was believed to have been responsible for dozens of robberies over the last three days. No charges have been brought against the man who defended the group though he was originally taken into police custody.

Rob- that must be why Chicago politicians want to disarm everyone who goes into a bar.

Rachel- Barbara Haley called 911 after 24-year-old Jody Kudlacz (CUD lez)  allegedly broke into her Omaha, Nebraska home around 3 a.m. She was awakened by noises and found the door to her attached garage open. She grabbed her handgun, a .45 Sig Sauer P220, and followed her pitbull to her home office where they found Kudlacz hiding in a closet. He tried to get out of the situation by saying Mrs. Haley knew him. She responded, “ I said I don’t know you, shut up and quit talking to me.” She noted to the media that she wanted to control the situation. Kudlacz had been in the process of stacking stolen clothes, gift cards, and jewelry before he was found. He was charged with burglary.

Paul Comment – Interestingly, the location is just 4 blocks from the University of Nebraska – Omaha campus. And yet authorities want to keep students and staff at risk in a gun-free zone.

Rob- Joseph Cihak (See hack) awoke at 4:30am on Wednesday morning to use the bathroom when he heard noises in his Westwood Terrace North home in St. Petersburg. Police said Cihak, who armed himself, walked into his living room to find Bryan Remley, 25, going through Cihak’s belongings. Cihak said he was armed because his home had been broken into a week earlier.  The intruder started running towards the homeowner who fired two shots but missed. The homeowner ran to get a backup gun and came back to find Remley in the kitchen unable to get out. He held him there until police responded to the 911 call placed by Mrs. Cihak. While waiting, Remley told the homeowner he’d come back and mow his yard if he’d just let him go. Remley was charged with armed residential burglary and a probation violation. Mr & Mrs Cihak said they have a plan to be armed whenever they get up in the middle of the night.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

John- Ken from Arizona sent us this email

I thought this story might interest you. It encompasses registration, bans, storage, and government craziness.
Ken S.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/hundreds-of-guns-stolen-across-nsw-as-thieves-target-private-homes-and-firearms-charges-rise/story-fni0cx12-1227048229707
Commentary : It’s a story about theft of registered firearms in New South Wales Australia. It seems that criminals are still finding a way to become armed. Color me shocked.

Paul- Chris emailed in this link to a story and says that this is why he carries a gun.

http://madworldnews.com/white-missouri-couple-black-teens/

A white Missouri couple was brutally attacked outside of a Springfield nightclub by a mob of young black men, and now police are asking for the public’s help in identifying the attackers.

According to OzarksFirst, the incident happened on Aug. 22 outside of the Outland Ballroom. The victims sustained serious injuries after being assaulted by multiple black males.

Meredith Cole said she was outside of the club where her boyfriend Alex is a DJ, when she was approached by the group, who attempted to sexually assault her. Cole said she went back inside to tell her boyfriend what happened, and when they went back out to identify her assailants they were viciously attacked by the group.

KY3 reports that both of the victims had to seek treatment at the hospital for their injuries, which included a fractured ankle for Cole.

The story includes a video of the attack. You can see the video through the link in the show notes.

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I have a post where I contrast the fate of citizens in states that support the right of self-defense and in the states that deny that right.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.