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3- Listener Feedback Segment 1
4- Listener Feedback Segment 2
5 Listener Feedback Segment 3
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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on 21 July, 2016. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we talk about the fatal attacks on police in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we talk about an armed homeowner who stopped not one, but two armed robbers who kicked in his front door.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a ton of email .. so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: episode 383 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- I carried every day. I also had an interesting discussion with Tatiana Whitlock. Some of her students hesitate to defend themselves.. but these same students are absolutely committed to defend others. I didn’t understand that.. until I thought of my grandmother. Grandma probably wouldn’t have protected herself, but she’d run over anyone who tried to hurt one of us. Something to think about. I spoke on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady. I talked to Dan and Cheryl Todd at Gun Freedom Radio, and I released episode 22 of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Have a new book from Chris Bird titled “Surviving a Mass Killer Rampage.”
A LOT of shooting!!!!!
- Best of the West thousand yard steels
- Regular practice with the guys at my range. Different mindset of competition training.
- Oklahoma run ‘n’ gun last weekend. This year I’ve done extensive training and practice with pistol and long distance rifle, so I was very pleased that my best stages were those two. (.40 and magnification helped…..)
- Distance competition this weekend in south Texas….I’ll get to see what my failings are so I can work on them!
- Made travel plans for Kathy Jackson’s instructor course. Super excited!
Rob- Tap-Rack-Flip helps. I had a qualification test where I had a malfunction, cleared it, and still made the time.
Rachel, is Best of the West the range where we’ll have the Texas Firearms Festival in October?
Gary- One of my students in my Illinois ccw class was a listener.
Rob- lists of rules- https://everyoneforgunsafety.wordpress.com/2016/04/29/firearm-safety/
Paul/Susan – T-shirts, Shooting with a fellow driver. Getting ready for Kathy Jackson classes. Was on the Politics Daily Podcast
Promo about upcoming training classes here.
2- News 1-
Yet again this week we must lead off the news talking about Police being gunned down in cold blood. This time in Louisiana. In an ambush style attack a murderer killed 3 officers and injured 3 more in Baton Rouge. This came a week and a half after another single killer murdered 5 officers in Dallas. The murderer, who hailed from Kansas City was killed in the attack by a shot from a SWAT marksman that according to CNN was at “more than 100 yards and without a clear line of sight.”
There is really too much detail to get into in a short blurb in a podcast, but we do want to point out one heartbreaking fact. One of the officers who was killed posted this to facebook a few days before he was gunned down in cold blood.
Rob- you won’t have safe neighborhoods if you shoot your police. Bizarre position where socialists want to take your guns, they tell us that police shoot black people, and yet only the police should have guns.
We should mention that the officer that posted that, was black. It seems that black lives don’t matter if they wear a blue uniform.
Black Lives Matter Intruder Shot by Off-Duty St. Louis County Officer
A young Black Lives Matter supporter took his rage into the home of a St. Louis County Policeman. Maddened by an apparently unrelated internet argument, the young man attacked his neighbor the cop. After demanding to be let in and being refused, Tyler Gebhard, 20, threw a 112 pound planter through the rear door and was about 10 feet inside when he met his fate. His family heard the officer shout “get down, get down, get down,” then shots. The off-duty officer shot to protect his wife, two children, and mother-in-law. Gebhard was hit twice in the chest and died in the local hospital.
The investigation is still ongoing, but police chief Jon Belmar said “I don’t think the officer had a choice — I honestly don’t.” The situation was “a very difficult position to be in.”
Gebhard’s uncle said; “He walked over there and into a gunfight. When he got there, he was met with a gun and the guy killed him.” The uncle believes a Facebook argument about Black Lives Matter triggered his nephew to take on the nearest cop. The investigation found the deceased Facebook page full of “anti-law enforcement and anti-white” threats. “(His posts were) erratic, sporadic, and some are very threatening and menacing.” Gebhard’s Facebook account also referenced police shootings of black men and the killing of five officers in Dallas. Some arguments featured warnings of a “race war.”
A police investigators said the internet posts are “All over the place. It puts on display the type of mental and/or emotional crisis he was going through.” Gebhard’s family said the young man suffered from bipolar disorder and schizophrenia and had a history of not taking his medications.
It is a tragedy that the life of a promising young man ended in a haze of mental illness and hate. However, in these difficult times, we all must be aware of what the current environment can do to the unstable, excitable, mentally ill or those seeking personal gain. And we must be prepared.
Stay safe out there – it’s an increasingly dangerous world.
Rob- Gebhard didn’t walk into a gunfight. He broke into someone’s home and advanced on the homeowner. Gebhard committed suicide by homeowner. I’m sorry he skipped his medication.
Rob- I went out of my way to say thank you to the deputies and patrolmen I’ve met.
Gun Quotes- For a people who are free and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security. -Thomas Jefferson: 8th Annual Message, 1808
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).
3- Interview 1
4- Interview 2
Two on One – the Resident Wins
Five adults and an infant can be thankful to be alive and unharmed after their Palm Coast, Florida home was invaded by two armed and violent men. In the words of a resident, “(T)he next thing I know my door is being kicked in and and I see a gun in my face.” Another heard demands for money.
Darien Corbett, 21, told investigators that he tried to hold the door while he retrieved his own handgun. “I opened the door and he pointed it and I just closed my eyes and shot twice and then my gun stopped working.” Those two shots were enough. Victor James Betty, 28, dropped to the floor. His accomplice, Carl Devore, 19, fled without getting any of the money or drugs they came for. Betty died at the scene and Devore later turned himself into the police. He will likely face second-degree murder and attempted home invasion robbery charges.
The Sheriff’s office would not say if the resident will be charged. They are discussing the matter with the State Attorney’s Office to see if charges are warranted. However, under Florida’s Castle Doctrine, a resident is allowed to defend their home.
Paul – All is well that ends well, however PLEASE never close both eyes when you have a gun in your hands.
Rob- Disparity of force. Lethal threat, imminent risk of great bodily harm.
The Rapist Next Door
This next DGU shows the importance of being armed, the futility of restraining orders, and the sheer callousness of the authorities that would demand you rely upon that powerless piece of paper.
Early on a Saturday night, an ex-boyfriend tried to force his way into a woman’s home. He banged on the windows and doors and eventually kicked open a door and gained access to the home. The homeowner fired several times, and her assailant turned and ran a couple of hundred feet before collapsing. Patrick Dewayne Decker of Leitchfield, Kentucky was pronounced dead at the scene. In defending her life, the victim did not rely on a worthless restraining order, but her pistol, and put several rounds into her attacker’s chest.
Decker’s ex-girlfriend had an domestic violence order in place. However, the order was recently changed to allow Decker to live in his parent’s home, which — was next door to the woman’s house. At that time, the authorities knew that Decker had an extensive criminal record that included burglary, rape, kidnapping and assault. Incredibly, callously, the authorities permitted that violent felon to live next door to the woman the restraining order was supposedly meant to protect. In that insane scenario, his ex-girlfriend naturally feared for her life and the life of her 11-year-old son. Fortunately, she was ready when the all-too-predictable happened.
You should be also.
Paul – Is a piece of paper enough? In this case it wasn’t.
Barefootin’ to a Gun — and Safety
A quiet night alone with Netflix instantly turned into anything but for a young Boise, Idaho woman. Julie Dietz, 36, found herself jumping from her couch to her door to respond to her neighbor’s cries for help. “Because of my field, because of some of my training, I didn’t go running out there,” said Dietz, an experienced state correctional officer. She cracked open her front door to appraise the situation. The boy gasped out that he had been shot. He was in obvious distress, bleeding out from bullet wounds to the chest and hand.
Dietz ordered the boy to drop the handgun he was cradling badly. He complied and then collapsed on the porch. A trained EMT, Dietz applied pressure to the chest wound to stem the flow of blood while calling 911. Things got infinitely more complicated as the boy’s mother and sister ran toward her house screaming; “He’s got a gun! He’s going to kill us!” The “he”, a former boyfriend of the neighbor, then emerged from their house. Comprehending the radically changed nature of the threat, Dietz ran back into her house for her own personal firearm. She could not trust the one the boy had carried.
Pistol in hand, she directed her neighbors into her basement, as the assailant went to the his truck for an AR-15 style weapon, which he used to shoot up Dietz’s entryway. She ran barefoot through shards of glass to take up a defensive position behind a wall at the top of the staircase. With a commanding view of her shattered doorway, she waited, bleeding, gun in hand, for the assailant. However, the ex stayed by his truck with its stash of weapons and ammunition: he was waiting for the cops to arrive. The madman, the head of custodial services at the Boise VA Medical Center, took his own life after shooting a responding officer. That officer was saved by his bullet-resistant vest – as the boy was saved by Dietz’s first-aid.
As we analyzed this situation, it became abundantly clear that this woman did everything exceedingly well. Taking advantage of her varied training, experience, and probably a double helping of intellect and iron core, she went from couch potato, to medical tech, to protector, to aggressive defender seamlessly, as the situation and threats rapidly evolved. Perhaps we could fault her for not carrying in her home and for opening the door unarmed; but her courage, decisiveness and leadership overcame the deadly challenges and allowed her to save the lives of her neighbors and herself.
In her own words: “I was ready to protect us, if necessary. I can’t imagine how much worse I would be feeling if I didn’t have my own handgun, if I would have been sitting there waiting for him to finish us off,” Dietz said. “So that’s (what) I’m very thankful for.”
We can be thankful for the lessons she provided us. Well done, Ms. Dietz, well done indeed.
Rob- Advanced self-defense is knowing when you can safely retreat and when you need to advance and stop a threat. It isn’t a perfect science. It isn’t an equation. Practice recognizing those situations.
Rachel-yes. Know yourself.
Don’t Bring an AK-47 to a Waffle House Fight
You don’t mess with a Texan’s enjoyment of his scattered, smothered, and covered hashbrowns, as a young Dallas man found out. Antione Devon Cooper, 26, decided that 2:30 am Thursday was a good time to practice some free-lance tax collecting at the local Waffle House. He brought along an AK-47 to ease the transactions. Cooper made the IRS proud, efficiently robbing the restaurant as well as several customers. He then smoothly made his way out into the parking lot.
However, one customer, fearful that his wife would drive into the middle of that scene, followed Cooper out of the Waffle House. The customer called out to the robber, who turned and pointed the AK-47. Shots rang out, but it was the customer, with his legal CCW pistol, who made the hits. Cooper collapsed to the asphalt, and was taken by police to the hospital, where he remains on life support. The customer was not arrested.
We can only applaud the man’s defense of his wife, and marvel at the courage it took to face an AK-47 with a pistol. His success indicates that he had some tactical skills that allowed him to even the odds successfully. We’ll also note in passing that Waffle House is an AK-47 free zone.
Guys (and gal)?
Rob- Can you make hits at 2:30 at night with your firearm.
Attorney Shot After Invading Old Guy Couple’s Home
And finally, we have yet another in our fan favorite “Don’t Torque off the Old Guys” series.
Years ago, Charles Dickens wrote “The law is an ass.” If so, this attorney is definitely the hole. ;^)’ Chattanooga attorney, Matthew Jack Fitzharris, 29, was charged with a host of crimes including aggravated assault against the elderly, making terroristic threats, entering an automobile or other motor vehicle with intent to commit theft or felony, and burglary, simple assault and criminal damage to property. He had a busy, busy night.
The attorney carried something in a blanket when he invaded a sprightly old couple’s home. When Alice Hanshaw demanded the the stranger leave, he responded with “I’m not leaving your (bleeping) home.” Quite reasonably, she threatened to shoot him. “You won’t shoot me,” replied the slow-on-the-uptake Fitzharris. She responded with “My husband was a Marine and he will shoot you,” and gave Delbert Hanshaw the gun.
That motion before the court carried, and Fitzharris beat a hasty retreat, saying; “I’m sorry, I have the wrong house.” However, he soon recanted, returned, grabbed the blanketed items, and ran up the back stairs to where the Hanshaws’ niece lived. From the top of the stairs Fitzharris hurled plants and threats to “(bleep) y’all up.” Failing to climb onto the roof, the counselor ran back down the stairs, tried to hit the old guy and gal, and then ran toward the their front door.
The remarkably restrained former Marine said, “If you don’t leave, I will kill your ass.” The remarkably stupid Fitzharris replied “You don’t have any bullets.” A McLatchy into the ground proved him wrong. As all good attorneys would, Fitzharris ignored that contrary evidence and lunged at the old guy. As all good Marines would, the old guy put two rounds into Fitzharris. Just before midnight, police found the wounded lawyer sitting in his car. He was loaded (I’ll say) into an ambulance and taken to a hospital and then to jail with a cast on his arm. Fitzharris’ mouthpiece, attorney McCracken Poston (you just can’t make this (bleep) up) said that a suspected psychological problem may be at play. (Really?)
It just goes to show you that even an attorney shouldn’t torque off an old guy, especially when he’s a Marine, and even more especially when the old guy’s wife is feeding him guns and orders.
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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
Voice mail #1
Rob- Lots of tricks. Don’t let this stop you.
Listener e-mail discussion
Text message #1
Any advice on carrying and shooting w weak hand? Wife hasn’t been carrying and shooting. The safety on her Shield is too much for her to trip w her thumb. She has an sp101. But the holster is for right side.
Rob- Hmm. Ambi safety? A glock swap?
Rachel-shield without a safety….lots of dry fire….be very conscious of your grip & trigger
Email # 1
My wife and I had an enlightening experience last weekend while camping. A black bear, about 300 pounds, came into our campsite at 1:15 am and was sniffing around the edge of our tent. Seeing its silhouette as it worked its way around completed the adrenaline dump.
My wife was fairly composed through the whole event and we talked about it afterward. I asked her what her plan was and she said she was trying to be as invisible as possible. I asked what she would have done if that didn’t work and the bear got into the tent. She thought about it and admitted that she never wanted to be completely unable to defend herself again.
After the adrenaline dump wore off we both agreed that being invisible is rather ineffective as one’s only action- for both two and four legged predators. I will tread lightly but help my wife find the right options for her. For me though it’s pretty much pants on gun on from now on.
Rachel-kudos to you for your approach. Conversation, but letting her make her decision.
Rachel-regardless of what handgun would work on a bear, that kind of wake-up experience can be valuable in making you think and prepare for other scenarios
Thank you for reading and commenting on Brian’s email regarding vision. It inspired me to share my journey related to this topic.
When I was about eight years old, I was excited to shoot my first BB gun off of my grandfather’s back porch. Since I am right handed, I shot the Red Rider right handed. But my granddad noticed that I was craning my head over so I was able to line up the sights with my left eye. It turns out I am left eye dominant. So, I learned to shoot left handed. My grandad, who was a lefty, even gave me his .22 that ejects from the bottom so I wouldn’t have brass flying in front of my face. That rifle is one of my most cherished possessions.
About seven years ago I got into handguns. So, I thought I had to shoot pistols left handed, too. I purchased a pistol with ambidextrous controls for that reason (shouldn’t all pistols have them anyway?). When I obtained my CHL, I purchased a left handed holster. Then, I learned that I didn’t have to shoot pistols left handed. But, when shooting right handed, I have found that a Weaver stance helps me to ensure the handgun comes up to my dominant left eye.
As was mentioned by others, I also have to deal with over 50 eyes. Fiber optic sights have intrigued me, but I have another issue. Being red-green color blind, I don’t know what to expect. Let’s just say that there are times that the color red or orange blends into a green backdrop. So, I avoid those colors whenever possible. Wardrobe decisions are another topic!
At this point I carry stock sights. But, I have purchased a new pistol with an RMR. It is basically a full size version of the compact model I now carry.
Currently I am running a 1,000 round trigger job on the new one. I have a new Cobra OWB holster and Jason made sure it would accommodate the red dot. It is a nice set up!
Thank you for all that you do!
Look forward to every show. Much as I could use yet another Gagh recipe, here’s a family recipe to satisfy you guys’ Tex-mex cravings. Created by my Houston-born-and-bred mother after my dad was stationed at Malmstrom AFB in Great Falls, Montana, back in early ’60’s. Back then, there were no Mexican restaurants – a real shock to the family. Of course, now one can get pretty decent Tex-Mex, or a variant thereof, most anywhere. Back then, we were on our own.
Have not made it in a long time – my s.o. won’t touch beans – so am not positive of the cooking specs.
In a lasagne dish, lay corn tortillas.
Add chili – preferable “Wolf” brand WOLF BRAND CHILI Old West Cowboy Western Vintage TV Commercial
Layer chopped onion, cheese, torts, more chili, onion, then top with cheese.
Bake till onions soften and cheese melts – maybe 30 minutes at 325?
Serves Mom, Dad, three boys, but only once – no leftovers were ever seen!
Basically, Mexican lasagne. But 55 years ago, we called it Mom’s Mexican Mess.
Hi all,Mark Saunders
A few months ago I had asked for you opinions about getting an AR-15 or a 357 lever action rifle for home defense. Well, I bought a NY compliant, not so scary, AR-15. It was made by a local firearms mfg/dealer, www.specopmfg.com. It has a Spikes Tactical lower and a Lucid red dot scope. It shoots well and I’m glad I got it.
Here’s a photo of it:
Keep up the good work that you do. I enjoy listening to the show.
CF: Congratulations, Mark. NICE rifle. And I’d REALLY like to know how you like the Lucid for close to moderate distance work. .
I am contacting you yet again in a desperate attempt to avoid another recipe.
This topic is with regard to traffic stops as you had discussed in a recent episode. One aspect of traffic stops that was not discussed is when a child or spouse regularly drives a vehicle that is registered in your name and you hold a concealed carry license. They must be educated and reminded often regarding how to act and why. This can be especially true when the driver does not look like the name on the registration. For instance, my daughters do not look like a “Carl”. An officer might be comforted (or should be) to know that he has stopped a person who has been through a background check, but if the driver in no way resembles the name on the registration, he would most likely be in a heightened state of awareness.
My daughters were also reminded to never, ever, submit to a request to search the vehicle. If it is a direct order from the officer, then they understood that they should not resist. They have nothing to hide, but who knows what a passenger or former owner of the vehicle might have left in there.
Also, if you allow someone to use your vehicle, be sure to remove anything firearm related.
Thanks again for the work all of you do.
As an aside, I listen to the podcast as I drive to some of my work locations, as far away as a whole 1.5 hours, which is nothing to a truck driver. For very long drives I suggest downloading audiobooks from the local public library. My wife and I recently made a trip to Asheville, NC and were entertained by the likes of Agatha Christie and Isaac Asimov.
First off, love the show!
My question to you is about “gun control”. I have been a self defense , personal responsibility, advocate for my entire life and now believe that the battle is not at all about guns, but rather control. Yes, I realize this is a sound bite, but really what does this mean?
I believe there are leaders and followers, leaders are a pain to work with. They always want to think, and manage their own lives. From a herd management standpoint, these mavericks need to be cut out of the herd. But how?
Color? No. There are thousands of independent, responsible, self managing people of color.
Age? No. Some of the most motivated, independent people I know are young people. Liberty is not just for the Greatest Generation.
Rural vs urban? No.
Pick up truck ownership? I don’t think so.
But, gun ownership? Now that’s an idea!
What better way to segregate the herd?
Gun registration ? Or herd segregation?
This is [name withheld] from a conversation on June 15th! So sorry for not getting back that day! I feel horrible!
So I texted you about the broadcast previous to June 15th where one of the other hosts had chided you a little about not being willing to vote for ‘the least evil’ candidate. ‘Sure he’s not the best, but you have to vote for Trump because the alternative is electing XX.’
Anyway, I am right there with you. I really believe the two parties have a collusion together, otherwise, why do they both keep presenting poor candidates? Like I don’t really see Clinton as a candidate that can get elected(unless all out election rigging takes place), and so America is left with Trump. And he is quite Liberal, and in many ways not conservative at all(except maybe in protecting big business and profits/tax writeoffs), but so many Republicans are falling in line so obediently because ‘the alternative is so horrendous.’ So we end up begging for a poor candidate and can’t really complain when he does crappy stuff. And instead, when he does crappy stuff, we just blame it all on the other party and say ‘see, his hands were tied. they wouldn’t let him get anything passed. they wouldn’t compromise or cross the party isle. etc etc etc.’
The exact argument happened at the previous election, and I wasn’t at all thrilled with Romney, and most Conservative Americans weren’t either……But the alternative: “another term of Obama, was so HORRIBLE” that again, we were fear mongered into voting for the ‘lesser of two evils’
I didn’t, and I won’t this time. I will vote my conscience if there is a good candidate out there (third party or whatever), or I will place NO vote for presidential candidate.
Until Americans of both parties, but especially of the conservative side, start to protest and refuse to eat the slop the party puts forward(and I fully believe that even, ‘outsider Trump’ is fully vetted and approved by the party decision makers) then we will cease to get a single GOOD candidate and will only receive the candidate most likely to move forward the party leaders’ agenda.
Again, my apologies for not getting this to you ‘in a timely manner’. Keep up the good work you are doing! My wife and family appreciate individuals such as yourself and the others on the PS podcast for educating, promoting and actively doing those things that our nation so desperately need!!
I am doing a little, our family (mostly my boys and I) have a YouTube channel that is a mild attempt at an alternative to modern culture entertainment crap. We aren’t all that developed yet, but have a couple videos that have done well. And we are learning a lot in the process. It is the Healthy Family Variety Channel: http://youtube.com/c/HealthyFamilyVarietyChannel
Thanks again, and maybe we will get my wife into one of your courses/Events in the future!
[a listener from Texas]
Rob- Write yourself in. I wrote about it here. He Found the Perfect Candidate
Paul : I will once again say that if you don’t want to vote for a president I can understand that however I would urge you to PLEASE vote for a pro gun congressperson and senator.
Rob- Here are the states where votes count .. and shut up about politics for the next 40 years.
Rob- I’ve seen skewed results depending on who the poll-takers call. The difference lies in polling registered voters vs likely voters. You can determine the polling results by choosing your sample.
Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob- I wrote an article saying that the Orlando murders were a wake up call for the LGBT community. Government won’t save us. There were so many failures that left the victims disarmed and vulnerable. My articles are up at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.
We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,
(Paul, stop talking now)
Rob: Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul and we’ll see you down the road.
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