Episode 253 – Jeff Knox


“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, July 19th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have an interview with Jeff Knox, Director of the firearms coalition.
Gary Daughetry: I’m Gary Daughetry, and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun uses
Gary Harpster: I’m Gary Harpster, and we have our usual gun news
Rob: so climb aboard
Gary D: strap in
Gary H: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 253 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul: Museum story. My Son’s Birthday party story
Gary: I ordered a new left handed holster for personal and class training.
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1 Paul: Nick Leghorn over at The Truth About Guns reports that Remington has pulled all information about the R51, the handgun released this past winter just before Shot Show, off of it’s website. I REALLY wanted to like this gun, but was concerned when there were no examples available to fire at media day at the range. If true that it is going away  it is too bad. I really liked the style of the gun, it was kind of retro and futuristic at the same time. When I held the display model at the Remington booth it was hard to make the grip safety work reliably and the red dot laser was even harder to make actuate, but I thought that those things could be worked on. Alas it looks like Remington is not going to give the R51 a second try.
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2 Rob- California Governor Brown signed a bill into law banning single shot handguns. This is an anti-gun solution in search of a problem.  Single shot firearms are not used in crimes.  Nor are firearms converted from single shot back to normal semi-automatic operation.  So why write and pass such a law?  This was a must pass bill for anti-gun Democrat legislators who are eager to secure campaign funding.  Money talks in the Golden State, particularly anti-gun  campaign donations.

Gary D- Maybe the hunters that think they don’t need the NRA will join now that they can’t use their Thompson/Center Encore anymore.
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Paul- We have a lot of news from an epidemic of failed gun free zones.

3 Gary H- Jack in the Box restaurants all across the country continue to be an easy hunting ground for criminals since the company requested that gun owners eat elsewhere.  A Jack in the Box in Honolulu, Hawaii was robbed by a suspect carrying a rifle.  A Houston Texas Jack in the Box was held up by two armed robbers in broad daylight.  Including another holdup in Tennessee, two people were shot in some of the latest Jack in the Box robberies.

Brian Luscomb is Vice President for Jack in the Box.  He said, “Creating a warm and inviting environment for all of our guests and employees is a top priority for Jack in the Box.

The presence of guns inside a restaurant could create an uncomfortable situation for our guests and employees.. and lead to unintended consequences.”

Paul- Mister Luscomb, your gun free zone does not mean what you think it means.

Gary D- Another Bloomberg success story.

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4 Rob- Speaking of Bloomberg success stories.. Target Department Stores have been targeted by thieves now that concealed carriers are not welcome.  A Target customer was robbed at gunpoint by several thieves in the parking lot at a Georgia Target store.  In another Georgia Target store, a woman was severely beaten and her car stolen from the store parking garage.  On the west coast, a Target security guard approached a man for shoplifting in an Oregon store.  The thief pointed his gun at the security guard and fled.

Target’s interim CEO, John Mulligan, said: “Bringing firearms to Target creates an environment that is at odds with the family-friendly shopping and work experience we strive to create.”

Paul- Being robbed and mugged isn’t exactly the family-friendly experience I want when I shop.

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5 Gary D- Police are searching for two suspects who robbed a Chicago Transit Authority train at gunpoint.  In case you forgot, public transit is another no-carry zone for honest Illinois gun owners.  These latest robberies occurred around 4 in the afternoon on the Orange Line train between the Halsted and Roosevelt stop.  This is the train typically used by tourists who fly into Chicago’s Midway airport.  The robbers boarded the train and announced an armed robbery. They robbed several people of an iPad, two laptops, an iPhone, bank cards and $105 dollars in cash.  The thieves fled when the train arrived at the Roosevelt station. The CTA did not make a statement other than to say it’s a “police matter.”  I call it another gun free zone not working in Chicago

Paul- Maybe you can excuse a corporate executive for not understanding the nature of self-defense, but when the executive is paid that much, he should ask the experts.

6 Paul- Here is a store that should know about self-defense.. and about customer service.  Absolute Outdoors in New Kent, Virginia has a large sign in their front window that says “No loaded guns”.  Ed Levine from the Virginia Citizens Defense League asked the store how the policy was enforced.  The store’s owner had this shockingly rude answer.

“You need to add to your list of titles:
Loser
Idiot
In desperate need of a life
life long member of the tiny dick club
Just plain stupid
Now that better describes you.

I’m usually there everyday so you should drop by and see me little man.”

Most guns stores simply ask you to keep your loaded firearm holstered, but not Absolute Outdoors in New Kent, Virginia.

7 Gary H- We have another advocate for gun-free zones in Missouri.  Missouri Governor Jay Nixon vetoed legislation that allowed specially trained teachers to carry concealed guns on school grounds.  Nixon said armed teachers jeopardize safety.  The Democrat governor waited until the legislative session closed before he issued his veto.  Now the Republican-led Legislature has to wait until the September session to attempt an override.

If trained teachers jeopardize students, do the Missouri Capitol Police jeopardize safety of the Governor and legislators too?

8 Rob- We don’t often think of a county as being a gun free zone, but I live in such a county in California.  San Joaquin County, California has similar restrictions with only a few hundred carry permits.  Those of us who have to live in gun-free California counties are told that the police will be there to protect us.  There is an important difference between protecting yourself and waiting for the police.  Last week that  difference mattered.

Three armed gunmen tried to rob a bank in San Joaquin county.  A deputy spotted the robbery in progress, but he was outside the bank and the citizens inside the bank were unarmed.  The robbers took three hostages.  Two of the hostages were badly injured as the robbers tried to escape, and one of the hostages was killed by gunfire.

The police will be there in minutes, and sometimes seconds are the difference between life and death.

Gary D- The robbery took place in Stockton, and the robbers were using AK pistols.  More failure of gun control.. just like Chicago.

9 Gary D- We reported on this story a few episodes ago, but the story of Shaneen Allen goes on.  Shaneen drove into New Jersey where she was stopped by a policeman for a lane change.  Unfortunately, she was carrying a firearm, and like an honest citizen, she informed the New Jersey officer who stopped her.  She was arrested since there is no reciprocity between New Jersey and Pennsylvania where Shaneen was licensed.  Shaneen is a single mom with two children and two jobs.  She works late and was robbed twice this year.  She took her firearms safety class and had her carry license for only a few weeks.

Think about this for a moment.  This young woman drove a car that is far more powerful than any handgun.  She used a drivers license issued by Pennsylvania and recognized all across the country.. and even recognized in New Jersey.  She is also recognized as a US citizen from a birth certificate issued in another town.

As I said, Allen had a license to carry a concealed weapon issued in Pennsylvania.  That licensing process is far more rigorous than getting her drivers license or her citizenship papers, particularly for a concealed carry license from Philadelphia where Allen lives.  New Jersey ignores that license and branded her a criminal.

I don’t know if you remember speed traps in the south and southwest where small towns would use law enforcement to fine and imprison strangers.  This is the same miscarriage of justice inflicted on an innocent woman.  Allen faces a felony weapons possession charge and faces three year in New Jersey prison.  This single mom was already jailed for 46 days before she could make bail.  She was about to accept a plea deal and serve the three years when she got a good lawyer.  This is bigotry against honest gun owners.

Show me the victim if she is a criminal.

There is a defense fund on Facebook, and I hope you will call the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America asking them to help her.  You are a member, aren’t you?

10 Paul- Anti-gun groups in Nevada want to put an initiative on the ballot to legislate universal firearms background checks.  The Las Vegas Review Journal came out against the measure in an editorial.  They said the gun control proponents must “overcome the strongest argument against expanded background checks: the fact that determined lawbreakers who want a gun will not respect the laws written to disarm them.”  The editorial then went on to cite the many examples of criminals either avoiding or passing background checks.

11 Gary H- Detroit has shown that armed citizens save lives.. and might save their city as well.  Detroit has a decreasing tax base and huge municipal debts.  Much of Detroit is abandoned, and the police can’t even patrol the ruins.  Despite those tough conditions, robberies are down 37 percent year to year.  Breakins are down 22 percent and there have been 30 percent fewer carjackings.  It isn’t that the Detroit economy is suddenly so much better.  What changed is that Detroit citizens are harder targets for criminals.

Police Chief James Craig said, “Criminals are getting the message that good Detroiters are armed and will use their weapon.  I don’t want to take away from the good work our investigators are doing, but I think part of the drop in crime, and robberies in particular, is because criminals are thinking twice that citizens could be armed.”

Paul- This week’s quote come from Lysander Spooner.  “A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Interview with Jeff Knox, Director of the Firearms Coalition talking about universal background checks.  Red/Green stripe is an old proposal.  A green “G” is a known good guy.  There are a few obvious questions.  Who pays?  Will any period of review, say 5 years, satisfy the gun grabbers?

Segment 4 DGUs
1 Gary H- It is good to have friends with guns, even if they are strangers.  Donald Sacco was at an Orange County, Florida bus stop.  That is where he was attacked and robbed by Thomas Thorpe.  Thorpe Stabbed Sacco in the hand, leg and abdomen.  A passing motorist saw the attack and stopped his car.  The motorist drew his firearm and held Thorpe at gunpoint while other witnesses helped the wounded Sacco.  Thorpe was taken into custody by deputies and charged with attempted first-degree murder, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, robbery and carrying a concealed weapon.  The victim was transported to the hospital in stable condition.

2 Rob-  With friends like this, it is time to change occupations.  A homeowner in a North Houston suburb went for his shotgun when three armed men broke into his home.  One of the thieves grabbed the shotgun and the two wrestled for control of the long gun.   That is when the thief accidentally fired his handgun and struck another thief.  The wounded thief was captured by deputies and transported to the hospital.  The two other thieves escaped.

Distance is your friend in a fight.  Keep your firearms close and your enemies far away.

I’m not much of a long-gun guy yet.  Is it true that the only use of your handgun is to fight your way to your long gun?

3 Paul -

This article was e-mailed into Guns Save Lives.

A woman in Gainsville, Texas confronted a man who wandered into her yard.  She thought the intruder was high on drugs because of the way he acted when she repeatedly asked him to leave.  At that point the intruder threw his hat on the ground, and came at her. The homeowner’s 13 year old boy had his Ruger 10/22 in hand, but did not have to fire a shot.  The intruder turned and ran at the sight of the firearm.  The homeowner’s 15 year old daughter called 911, but it took the police an additional 8 minutes to arrive.

This incident is typical of most defensive gun uses.  You only call the police after the threat is apparent.  The sight of a firearm stops most attackers.  The police arrive to take a report after the event is over.

Long guns are better than nothing.

4 Gary D- Two teenagers — a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old — tried to steal Victoria Davison’s car last month while she was in it, “I want the keys, car, everything,” commanded one of the teens.  Davison hesitated, prompting one teen to tell the other, “Go get the cannon” — a reference to his gun. But Davison had a “cannon” of her own and pulled it out of her gym bag. She shot the 15-year-old. “I shot the one that was in front of me. The one in the back of me, he said a curse word, and then he looked at his friend, and then he ran off while his friend was on the ground,” Police are investigating what may be “dozens” of carjackings and robberies tied to the teens. The wounded 15 year-old is also connected to a violent shooting where he shot a 43-year-old man in the face following an attempted carjacking.

I’m sorry everybody but I am a trainer and I tend to see teaching moments. She says in the interview that she had the gun in a bag and struggled to get the zipper open and the gun out. Another reason to if at all possible on-body carry if you can.

Victoria Davison interview

Teens accused in several carjackings seen together at Children’s hospital

5 Gary H-  A guest at the Grand Hyatt Hotel on the river walk in San Antonio, Texas had to use deadly force to defend himself and a woman when a mentally ill man threatened and then charged the pair. Torres went to the sixth floor of the hotel at 1 p.m. and started breaking lights in the hallway, according to police. He started to bang on a door, and when a witness opened it, Torres said he was “looking for someone to kill,” police said.

The witness slammed the door, so Torres banged on another one, police said.

The man inside of that room waited a moment to open the door, and when he did, Torres charged him. The hotel guest drew a concealed handgun, fired one shot, and struck Torres in the chest, stopping him just outside of the door.

No charges have been filed or are currently expected in the case.

Torres’ family says the man was suffering from an unidentified mental illness.

Gary – Teaching moment – If a stranger is pounding on your door, don’t open it.

6 Rob -Two homeless Oregon men thought someone reported them to the Bureau of Land Management as trespassers, so they went to the man’s home armed with a baseball bat and took turns beating him.  The beating caused extensive head, face and back injuries. In an attempt to escape after the attack, the victim grabbed a shotgun from his home and fired two rounds into the air. The suspects fled and called police to report that they had been shot at. They were later arrested and charged with assault.

Gary D- I guess that is the Joe Biden defense.

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This one was sent in by Greg in Bremmerton,

From the NBCLosAngeles.com site.
A market robber is believed to have accidentally killed his accomplice during a fight with the owner of the El Sereno store they were robbing Friday, the Los Angeles Police Department said.
A 21-year-old man allegedly shot a 35-year-old man at the market at 11:15 a.m., according to police.
“There was an altercation with the store owner, who tried to take the rifle away,” LAPD officer Nuria Vanegas said.
The man who was shot was wielding a machete, police said.
The men’s names were not immediately released.
The store owner was uninjured.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Gary H- Email #1 From Ken in Arizona
I thought you’d like to know that Target’s “no guns allowed” policy is actually working! I just bought a new cell phone, and 2 new tablet computers, and a few accessories to go along with them. And not once did I ever consider going into Target to shop. Their policy worked. It kept me and my gun out. Apparently, smarter people than I are making good decisions after all.
Who says a “gun-free zone” doesn’t work.
Ken in AZ

Gary D- We got a message from John Willett of the Bold Departure podcast
Hi, What’s up guys? I was just listening to the episode with Russell Smith’s proposal for firearms purchases. Frankly, moving to combine photo ID and ability to purchase a firearm is a huge step in the wrong direction. I will add that we shouldn’t generate proposals based on the worst state’s laws. I have seen a proposal that makes a lot of sense. Rather than using the failed paradigm of relying on laws that prohibit activity, we utilize technology and an incentive for folks to conduct their own background check prior to a sale via a website that performs the same function as NICS does now. The website gives them a code that is good when combined with info from their existing ID for firearm purchases for a predetermined amount of time. The incentive is that the seller of the firearm would keep documentation of the sale with the code and that would provide them legal immunity against criminal action related to the sale.

Paul- The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary H: be aware,
Gary D: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 252 – Another MAIG Mayor Goes to Prison

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, July 12, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty, and we’ll talk about self-defense news.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, we also have our normal DGU segment and some emails to talk about.

Gary D: so climb aboard

Gary H: strap in

Paul and hang on! Episode 252 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Gary D: Yesterday I finished training and qualifying two more students from my most recent  private Illinois concealed carry class.

Gary: Tonight Harley Nights.

Rachel: Participated in a highly successful CATI walk specially for the ladies – the Gunpowder and Lace walk – and then came home and went outside with a few friends to zero a rifle and got to fire off a couple of rounds about 15 minutes before we went live tonight. FNAR. Sweet rifle, sweet glass.

Paul: Starting the process of getting a new family member (dog), major annoyance while trying to do research for todays show, Auto loading videos that will not stop until the advertisement has run. (I will buy Dannon yogurt again sometime after I eat at Buffalo Wild Wings and get a downtown Manhattan apartment)

Matthew: Shot my first Appleseed today.

 

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Gary D – Headline – Police Bust Local Man on Felony Gun Charges – I’m sure you’re thinking good they got another bad guy off the street. But, wait. A FFL and a very vocal gun rights activist gets food poisoning so severe that he needs to be intubated in the hospital. Of course anybody who is intubated must be restrained so they don’t hurt themselves pulling the tube out of their throat. According to hospital policy anybody who is restrained has a mandatory meeting with the psychiatrist. Mandatory treatment means bye bye FFL, which I understand he has spent 6 figures in legal fees trying to get back, bye bye Illinois concealed carry instructor certification, bye bye Illinois FOID card. I don’t know what evidence was used, possibly facebook pictures of a personal gun collection, but two search warrants were issued for the man’s business and for his home where three handguns, two rifles, 1800 rounds of ammunition and some reloading gear was confiscated. Over the years he has ruffled a lot of even pro gun feathers in blog posts and on social media. Now he is being vilified for doing nothing wrong until the last minute when he didn’t immediately relinquish all of his guns after his FOID card was revoked, all because of comments made on social media. Be careful what you post.

 

Paul- It looks like there is a fight going on in Miami, and some good advice inadvertently is coming out of the policemen’s union  From the WVSN website

 

MIAMI (WSVN) — Miami-Dade County could end up with hundreds of police officers losing their jobs in a budget proposal made by Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez, Tuesday.

“This is it, start of a long-term budget strategy that will help us avoid yearly budget crises,” said Gimenez during his announcement of the 2014-2015 budget proposal.

The budget cuts close to 650 county jobs to fill a $64 million hole in the general fund. Miami-Dade Police could see the largest cuts if certain concessions are not made by the local labor union. “If we get no concessions whatsoever, then you’re looking at about 250 police officers,” said Gimenez.

If police department cuts are made, officers from administrative posts would likely shift to the street and certain specialized units that deal with robberies and child abuse cases could see positions vanish. “One of the directions I told the director was that I wanted to have the same number of patrol officers in the street that we have today,” said Gimenez.

The Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association fired back after the proposal, saying public safety is paramount and these proposed cuts will have a negative impact. John Rivera, president of the Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association, said, “If the mayor’s not going to provide security, then my recommendation, as an experienced law enforcement officer for nearly 40 years, is either buy yourself an attack dog, put bars on your windows and doors and get yourself some firearms because you’re going to have to protect yourselves. We won’t be able to.”

Rachael: Jeff Knox reports in WND.com that the USA Today has started running full page ads paid for by Bloomfield press. That is the publishing company owned by Allan Korwin. He provides many of our gun quotes. The full page ads relate what you hear each and every episode here, Defensive gun uses. These are almost never seen in places like the USA today. Korwin plans to keep running these from time to time in the USA Today and expand them out to other papers and media outlets as well. Good on you Allan, keep it up! Please check out the show notes for this episode to find a link where you can help him keep these ads going.

 

Matthew: Miguel Gonzales reports in his Gun Free Zone blog that an interesting study came out last week. The study by Garen J Wintremute was a look to find out just how many attempts were made to “straw purchase” a gun. I am going to direct you to Miguel’s blog if you want all of the details including how the numbers were reached, but the end result of the study comes out that of all attempts to buy a gun in 2011 (the year the study was in effect) one half of one percent of all attempts were illegal or only about 1 in every 200.  It looks to me like the law is working.

 

Paul:Former New Orleans Mayor and member of Bloomberg’s MAIG or as I prefer Mayors Against Good Guys Owning Tactical Stuff (MAGGOTS) – Thanks to Chaz Murray of the Roadgunner podcast who I stole that from-  Ray Nagan was sentenced this week to 10 years for corruption. He was convicted on 20 of 21 counts of bribery, wire fraud, tax evasion and other crimes earlier this year. Former Mayor Nagan was in charge in New Orleans when Katrina hit and is largely responsible for the gun confiscation debacle that happened during the catastrophe. I sincerely hope that Mayor Nagan goes to a real prison and not a club fed.

Gun Quotes

 

Gary : I have a couple of gun quotes for you:

When a person has a gun, sometimes their mind clicks that this thing will win arguments and straighten people out. –Bill Cosby

When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody. –Bill Cosby

If this is the prevailing anti-gun mindset, then I understand why they believe that the government should keep our guns out of our hands.  Of all the gun owners I know, have trained and trained with, none of them have this mindset.

 

On a more positive note, we have a quote from of all people Brad Pitt,

 

America is a country founded on guns. It’s in our DNA. It’s very strange but I feel better having a gun. I really do. I don’t feel safe, I don’t feel the house is completely safe, if I don’t have one hidden somewhere. That’s my thinking, right or wrong.

(Brad, Since I know that you have more houses than just in California, and I think that if you were to ask the LA county Sheriff if you could have a CCW he would grant you one in the MAY issue state of CAlifornia I would suggest that is it far safer to carry the gun on your person than to have one hidden away where you may or may not be able to get to it.)

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

Gary H: DGU #1

 

Jackson  Mississippi Police are looking for a third suspect involved in an early Thursday morning home invasion and shooting.

JPD Public Information Officer, Colendula Green tells us three suspects broke into a home around 2 a.m. on Myrtlewood. Police say the homeowner used his gun and fired several shots.

One person was hit in the head and taken to the hospital with life threatening injuries. A second person was found shot in the chest behind a house across the street several hours later.

Police say that suspect is also suffering from life threatening injuries. The third suspect is still on the loose.  (One suspects some training here. One chest shot and one head shot out of 3 suspects)

Rachael DGU #2

 

WISN out of Milwaukee tells the story of a carjacker that wasn’t so successful. The 15 year old criminal tried to carjack one person earlier this week. When the victim realised that he was being targeted he hit the throttle and started to drive away. The young punk fired at the victim, who drove himself to the hospital after being struck in the jaw by a bullet., Injured but alive and still in possession of his property. The next day the young Obama supporter (not in the story but added by Paul) decided to try, try again. This time he picked a woman who has a CCW and was carrying. He is in Serious but stable condition in the hospital and is facing multiple felony charges.

 

Gary D: DGU #3

 

On the last show Rob and John talked about a DGU that took place in Chicago I wanted to address that a little more — Obviously there was an argument going on and then someone went into the house came back out and started shooting. I hope what is taught in every concealed carry and self-defense gun class is first try to de-escalate the argument even if this means leaving the area. Second, the time to escape was when the guy went into the house not after he comes back out shooting.

 

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rachel: Email #1

Rob,

 

I am the John from San Antonio who took the Appleseed training with Rachel and called into  Gun Talk.  I am a pediatric orthopedic surgeon and am trying to advance gun rights in my little corner of Texas.  My area of concern is that Texas state law mandates that hospitals and nursing homes must post the state designated signs to prevent concealed license holders from carrying on the premises.  As we both know, this turns hospitals into victim disarmament zones. Unfortunately, hospital administrators are not willing to allow staff to carry. This is allowed under state law.

I also presented a resolution to our county medical society board to remove gun free zones. They voted it down 22-2. I have been in communication with Timothy Wheeler, MD from Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership to help me with the medical community. Unfortunately, he has run into similar problems in the past. On a better note, I have organized some Introductory pistol courses for medical staff. I got a couple of good instructors to do them for me. You might recognize their names: Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. The first course we got 12 students including the 16 year old daughter of a physician and one of the doctors who voted against the resolution at the county medical society.  We’ve scheduled the next one for September. I’ve also personally taken over 20 new shooters to the range in the past year and am going to take the NRA Basic and Pistol instructor courses next weekend. I’m also hoping Rachel will help me when the next legislative session convenes in 2015.

I hope to meet you at GRPC in Chicago.

 

John

 

Paul: Email #2

 

Thank you so much for your tribute to your little dog. I am so sorry for your huge loss. You especially touched me, as my doggie, Shuggie, 11 pounds of poodle love, is about the same age, with a similar history, and I thought I was going to lose him on July 1st. The previous night, he had collapsed 4 times in a 10 hour stretch. But, he recovered over the next few days and has rebounded this past week. I know the end is near for him, and I, too, dread the rapidly approaching day. Your experience is touching, and your  words were comforting. Thanks.
Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

 

Gary D: Email #3

 

Anthony Lucafo sent in a link to us relaying a story that Dick Durban is trying to push more gun control bills in the Senate. I don’t expect much to come of this, but we will keep an eye in it. After all Dick has often proved that he is aptly named.

Gary H: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of September 13th and 14th in Culpepper Virginia. Don’t forget that the Tactical Couples class is the weekend after that in Centerton Arkansas.. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

 

Rachel: Rob had a post from his SlowFacts blog.  WE are ordinary gun owners, and we have a super-power.  WE are trusted by our neighbors. The ordinary gun owner has a reputation for being honest, fun to be around, and trustworthy. That reputation is the antidote to the lies told by the anti-rights crowd because our neighbors believe us rather than the media. The question is this. Will we use our super-power for good? Will we take a friend shooting?

 

Gary D: Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…

Gary H: stay safe,

Gary D:: be aware,

Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 251 – Russell Smith

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, July 9th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse.
John: I’m John Richardson, and on today’s show we have an interview with Russell Smith of the Armed Porcupine.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our usual news and DGUs, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
John: Episode 251 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- Dry practice.

John – My gun related news is that I’ve arranged a visit to PTR Industries in Aynor, South Carolina. PTR was one of the Connecticut firearms companies impacted by the new draconian laws post-Newtown. Rather than try to operate in a state that didn’t want them, they moved to South Carolina where Gov. Nikki Haley spoke at their ribbon cutting.

Here is a bit of news for our chat room warriors, we won’t record an episode next Wednesday. For everyone else it means we won’t publish an episode next Saturday.
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-Now here is an open carry event that won hearts and minds. There were the usual cowhorses, rodeo queens, fire engines and political candidates waving to the delighted crowd.  The event was the God and Old Glory parade in Westcliffe, Colorado on Independence day.  By far, the largest group of participants – and the one that got some of the most enthusiastic response from the crowd – were the estimated 250 advocates, many clad in red, white and blue, marching openly with guns holstered on their hips or slung over their shoulders. They carried everything from old-fashioned flintlock rifles to semi-automatics to fake plastic guns carried by children.  The Royal Gorge Tea Party carried a sign that said: Keep your gun in the right hands – yours.

Colorado parade

-Two organizations, Students for Concealed Carry and Ohioans for Concealed Carry, filed a lawsuit in Ohio Court.  They challenged the Ohio State University’s authority to ban lawful possession of firearms.  Currently firearms are banned for students, faculty and staff on University campuses.

The concealed carry groups think these university regulations infringe on a fundamental Constitutional Right to armed self-defense.  The regulations also disarm students and staff to and from campus, leaving them vulnerable to violent crime on their commute in what is historically a high crime area.  While Ohio law permits a concealed handgun licensee to store a firearm in a motor vehicle on OSU’s campuses, a student could still face administrative sanctions from the university including expulsion due to the certain provisions in the Student Code of Conduct. Michael R. Moran, a Columbus attorney representing the groups, points out that expulsion from taxpayer funded Ohio State for a firearms related incident carries severe consequences for a law-abiding student including an academic record blemish that “can virtually guarantee the disciplined student may never earn an accredited degree.”

Comment-  Last episode we had a similar article about a lawsuit brought in florida to allow concealed carry holders to keep their firearms in the cars.

r-Boise State University in Idaho just attracted a lawsuit, and it seems well deserved.  The student group Young Americans for Liberty invited Dick Heller to speak on campus.  Dick was the plaintiff in the Washington DC versus Heller case that returned some rights of armed self-defense to DC citizens.  Hours before Heller was to appear, the Boise State administrators said the students needed to pay a $465 security fee.  The excuse was that someone said claimed they would open carry at the event.  This is technically called a heckler’s veto, since anyone could claim they might violate school policy and therefore require more campus security.  This in turn allows the university administration to impose a security fee on any student group they didn’t like.  The lawsuit is funded by the group FIRE, Foundation for Individual Rights in Education.

Comment- John, does this remind  you of your university?

j- The laws to restrict the mentally insane from getting firearms don’t work if the public and the courts don’t follow through and apply them.  The excuse for the surge in recent anti-gun laws is the murder at a Connecticut school a year and a half ago.  Connecticut had laws in place since 1999 that allowed the mentally ill to be disarmed and go to trial showing they were, or were not, a danger to themselves and others.  Like the gun-laws that make it illegal for known criminals to have guns, these prohibitions are largely ineffective.  The law is often abused by Connecticut police and by couples waging lawfare against each other.

Rob Comment- California is considering a similar law.

Comment- It is an election year and the politicians are pandering for a press release and for Bloomberg campaign money.

r- A rash of animal shootings by police officers nationwide has law-enforcement agencies running for cover amid growing public outrage that could force state legislatures to require greater accountability from men and women in uniform. No government agency keeps a national database on the number of pets killed by police. But animal-abuse activists have kept statistics.  They say a pet is murdered by law enforcement every 98 minutes in America.  This is largely a result of officers having little-to-no training on how to deal with dogs.  The book Management of Aggressive Canines for Law Enforcement”  is a good starting point, and you might give to your local police if they lack such training.

Comment- Most officers are under control.  The out of control officers hide behind the deep pockets of the city lawyers and behind their union work rules.

j- Atlanta, Georgia deserves a shout out for a special kind of dumb.  Last year, concealed carry holders could enter city government buildings.  After the Georgia legislature passed laws allowing carry in bars and restaurants, the Atlanta Mayor banned private citizens from carrying in city buildings.  Mayor Kasim Reed needs to lose a lawsuit.  It ia amazing that the Mayor did nothing to keep armed criminals out of city hall, but now he wants to ban citizens who have been fingerprinted and had a background check.

Comment- Stop electing the village idiot into government office.

- This is why it matters.  41 people were shot in New York City over the week including Independence day.  Chicago recorded 104 gunshot victims during the same week.  None of the shootings were by licensed gun owners committing in the commision of a crime.  Not one in either city.

The fact that there is high crime in these gun-control paradise cities is lost on their corrupt politicians.  The top cop in Chicago blamed the violence on lax gun laws.  You can’t fix a failed society with prohibition, but blaming a piece of metal makes a great smokescreen for corrupt politicians.

Comment- You don’t achieve peace by disarming honest people.

j- Here is more news from Chicago.  You need lawyers and money to have a chance at a concealed carry permit in Illinois.  There are almost 200 lawsuits pending against the Illinois state police and the state special review board which grants and denies concealed carry permits. One example is Michael Thomas.  Thomas is a former Air force reservist who routinely carried a firearm in the military.  Now living in Chicago, the took the required firearms training courses, paid a host of fees, and submitting fingerprints for a background check to buy a firearm.  That is why he is puzzled why the Illinois special review board denied his application for a concealed carry license.  Thomas never had a run-in with the law.  He said “I have never been arrested or convicted of any offense, either misdemeanor or felony, in the state of Illinois or any other state.  I have no criminal record of any type.”  He feared a case of identity theft and asked the state police for a rehearing.  The state police refused to say why he was denied, and told him that the special review board’s decisions couldn’t be reviewed.  Instead, he would have to petition a court for an appeal.

There are 800 people like Michael Thomas who have been denied licenses by the board, a quasi-judicial body who meets behind closed doors and keeps its records and reasoning secret, even from applicants who are denied.  The Illinois law contains contradictory language that leaves the appeals process open to political interpretation. It states that in the event of a denial, state police “must notify the applicant stating the grounds for the denial.” But it also says that, “all board decisions and voting records shall be kept confidential and all materials considered by the board shall be exempt from inspection except upon order of a court.”

comment- Put not your faith in Illinois politicians.

r- And stay the hell out of New Jersey too. It looks like we have another innocent citizen railroaded by New Jersey’s anti gun laws.  Shaneen Allen from Philadelphia was arrested for traveling through New Jersey while possessing legal ammunition.  As usual, the law enforcement officers said a judge could sort it out.  That puts Ms Allen at risk of paying for a trial, and at risk of a felony conviction if the judge is as dishonest as they have been in the past.  Evan F. Nappen is defending her, but that doesn’t mean she will receive a fair trail.

We’ll keep you up to date.

Was she charged with driving while black.. with a firearms as an aggravating circumstance.

Gun Quotes

John “Convinced that the people are the only safe depositories of their own liberty, and that they are not safe unless enlightened to a certain degree, I have looked on our present state of liberty as a short-lived possession unless the mass of the people could be informed to a certain degree.” –Thomas Jefferson to Littleton Waller Tazewell, 1805.

Rob “Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government. Whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, they may be relied on to set them to rights.” –Thomas Jefferson to Richard Price, 1789. ME 7:253

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews
Interview with Russell Smith talking about his green stripe universal background check proposal. Russ is at the Armoured Porcupine on Facebook.
Segment 4 DGUs
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John – I’ll wait until the end to tell you where this DGU happened because you won’t believe it. A military service member with an Illinois concealed carry permit was leaving a party with 3 friends when they noticed a cup of liquor on their car left there by someone attending a party next door. When they removed it, a party goer got upset, went inside the house,retrieved a gun, and came out shooting. The CCW holder got behind the fender of the car and shot Denzel Mickiel, 22, twice in the arm and back.  The four victims then left the immediate scene as others started shooting at them.

Mickiel remain hospitalized on Sunday but has been charged with attempted murder and will be held on $950,000 bond.

The city was Chicago!!!!

Rob- God bless concealed carriers.. particularly in Chicago.

r-The owners of the Lexington, Kentucky jewelry and pawn shop were suspicious when three young men walked into their store.  It was 90 degrees outside with high humidity and the three were wearing hoodies with the hoods over their heads.  Let us say the store owner was shocked, but not surprised when one of the three pulled a hammer from his jacket pocket and smashed a display case holding expensive watches.  The owner drew his pistol and ordered the three thieves to the ground.  That is how the police found them when they arrived minutes later

I don’t know that I’d draw my gun to protect property, but this store owner protected his store and his staff.

j- I don’t think the criminals are going to obey the gun control laws.  This one didn’t.  53 year old Steve Griffin threatened to kill a cashier at a Waffle house on Sunday.  On Monday he drew his gun and threatened a cashier at a Greenville, South Carolina Waffle House.  This clerk pulled her own gun, and Green ran before she fired.  Simpsonville Police arrested him later that day.

r- Four armed home invaders broke into a home in Springfield, Missouri very early this past Saturday morning. In the home were Rick Rogers, his girlfriend Chelsea St. John, and her daughter-in-law. When they realized the intruders were armed, Rogers rushed upstairs to get his firearm followed by his girlfriend. That is when one of the home intruders, Kenneth Fry, 40, grabbed Ms. St. John by the hair and drug her back downstairs into the kitchen. He told her, “get on the floor, you know I will kill you.” Fry then went to attack Mr. Rogers whereupon Rogers shot first and killed Fry. The other 3 intruders rushed out of the house upon hearing the shot.

Fast forward to Sunday afternoon, when two men were walking past her house, Ms. St. John looked at one of the men and realized he was one of the home intruders. She immediately called 911 and police ended up catching one of the men. The other is still on the loose.

Of the killing of Kenneth Fry, Mr. Rogers said he had no regrets. “I would do it again,” says Rogers. ” If they do it again, I would do it again. You got to protect your family.”

j- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob- A friend wrote me about Matt’s rant. I want to share his comment with all of you.

E-mail from listener Ian

I am listening to your podcast with the listeners rant. (Matt’s rant) He is right. You are all right. Here’s my understanding. in as few words as I can use because I can ramble.

Self defense includes and is not exclusive to protection personally or as a group of yourself, your family, your town, your city, your county, your state and your country. Any one of those can be defense against tyranny, whether it’s local or national.

You guys cover personal DGU’s regularly.

An example of local tyranny is The 1946 Battle Of Athens in Tennessee

Your listeners point is that the word tyranny rattles Average Joe’s cage is correct, because people believe that kind of thing only happens in other countries and America is home of the free. That could never happen here. This is a civilized country.

Then people who have it in the back of their mind that is a possibility one day there may be a tyrannical government that needs fighting against are marginalized. and unless you are a smart and eloquent person that can talk to that kind of audience, you simply won’t get through without coming across as a conspiracy nut.

So I concur. leave out the word tyranny until you can make someone understand the more immediate issue of violent crime and work up from there later.

Also, bear in mind the 2nd Amendment was not drafted wholly based on tyranny but, like much of the constitution and amendments, upon a deep understanding of history as a whole. That was the huge advantage of kick starting a whole new nation without baggage. It’s worth going and reading Lord Blackstone – an Englishman that had a heavy influence on the forming of the 2nd.

2nd Ammendment isn’t for only one angle. It covers many. and we don’t have to overwhelm people by zoning in on the nuclear option.

I’m slowly catching up with all the podcasts in my queue – the World Cup has put a dent in my listening schedule!

Ian Wright
F.A.S.T. O.C

j-E-mail number 2
This is an e-mail from listener Julian.
Congrats to Miss Rachel for getting a shout out on Tom Gresham’s national Gun Talk show from one of her Apple Seed students! Tom expressed an interest in learning more about Apple Seed and I thought it might be a chance for her to reach out to his show and get a little recognition for all her hard work and the PSP too.

r- The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

j- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

j-Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Episode 250 – Kathy Jackson and Frank Fiamingo

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday July 5th 2014 I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with author and instructor Kathy Jackson as well as Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have our weekly self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 250 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice with my SIRT pistol and handgun on Independence day.

John – We had family in town from Missouri yesterday and we all enjoyed the various displays of fireworks. They also brought me a T-Shirt from the MO Univ of Sci & Tech where my nephew is think of attending. The shirt said, “My mascot carries a gun” on the front and “Does Yours?” on the back. The school’s mascot is an old miner with a six-gun on his hip. I love it!

Paul – We have brought up our dog Dakota several times on the show. This week she left us. On the day she left us Dakota was 14 ½ years old exactly. Is seems to me that one of the cruel tricks that is played on us by God, or Mother nature, or whomever you believe in is that while humans have a lifespan that lasts 75 years or so our companions have life spans that are about ⅕ of that. I got home this morning and we got a call from the Veterinarian’s office saying that her ashes were back, and we brought her home.

Those that have had a 4 legged family member know the pain that Susan and I are going through. Dakota came to be a part of our family when she was 6 month’s old. She had been abused by her prior owner, and it took a lot of work for her to trust men, but after several months and a ton of love she finally trusted me and eventually she became comfortable around all adult males.
Like any canine family member Dakota took it on herself to be the family’s guardian, confidant, and occasionally troublemaker. She gave so much and all she ever wanted or expected in return was our love and attention. Those 2 things we poured on her. She was always our “Puppy” and “our baby girl” If you ever want to know what unconditional love is just get a pet like our little puppy. It didn’t matter what kind of day you were having, or if something wasn’t going right, or if she wasn’t feeling the best, we were the very focus of her entire existence always.

I posted that we lost Dakota on facebook Tuesday stating something to the effect that if I earned a spot in heaven and our Dakota was not there I would move along and find her because if she wasn’t good enough for heaven than I definitely had no place there. Thank you to everyone who replied offering kind words. There are 2 that I would like to bring up specifically. First Ben Cook said “If my animal friends are not in heaven, I’ll be sure to leave a trail to where I find them so that you can find us all there

Second there were several references to a poem called the rainbow bridge. If you all would indulge me I would like to read this short poem

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. Her bright eyes are intent; Her eager body quivers. Suddenly she begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, her legs carrying her faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross the Rainbow Bridge together….

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John 1- Gun-rights advocates won another victory in Chicago.  A judge approved almost a million dollars in legal fees that the city must pay to attorneys who challenged Chicago’s gun store ban.  The original lawsuit was filed in 2010 by an Illinois offshoot of the National Shooting Sports Foundation.  That battle isn’t over.  Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, anticipates a legal challenge to the city’s new rules regulating gun stores out of 99.5 percent of the city.  He said, “The ordinance is prohibitive.  If you look at the hidden costs of opening a gun store, I don’t know how a person could make a living selling firearms in the city of Chicago.”

Rob 2- There was another victory for the right to choose armed self-defense.  A Florida appellate court ruled that college and university campuses must allow students to store firearms in their cars on campus.  This allows adult students to attend school and remain armed when they work those late night jobs.  Contrary to the public claims of school administrators, negligent discharges remain extremely rare.  This is another small step toward self-protection in Florida.

John 3- A Kansas open carry bill went into effect on Tuesday.  It is now legal to openly carry a gun in a holster, in your hand, or carry a rifle on a sling.  Captain Rance Quinn of the Kansas City Police Department said they will still respond to calls of man with a gun, but the department will change how they handle the encounter.  Quote “…How are you doing today. I see that you are exercising your right to bear firearms. Is there anything I can do for you today?”

Rob Comment- Why yes, officer.  May I buy you a cup of coffee while we talk about your department sponsoring more firearms training for the general public?

Rob 4- The attention seeking anti-gun Virginia State Delegate, Joe Morrissey, once carried an AK-47 onto the Virginia statehouse floor.  Now he faces criminal charges for having sex with the 17-year-old receptionist in his office.  A special grand jury charged the Virginia politician with supervisory indecent liberties with a minor, electronic solicitation of a minor, possession of child pornography, distribution of child pornography and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

Comment- He was only following Bill Clinton’s example.

John – This is the same Joe Morrissey who as the State’s Atty for Richmond was disbarred for among other things, fist fights in the courtroom. Why is that anti-gun activists are so violent?

John 5- Here is a good example from law enforcement, and from a small police department at that.  Police Chief Michael Combs found out there were no firearms safety courses offered in the county, so  Chief Combs decided to offer his own course.  The department will host a classroom and firing range sessions at the Goodwill Fire Company on July 19th.  Pennsylvania is a shall-issue state and there are no training requirement for ownership or a carry license.  I think the Chief’s decision makes citizens safer!

Rob Comment- Thank you, Chief Combs.

Rob 6- Some gun-grabbing activist groups tell you that real women want to be helpless.  Not me.  I’ll remind you that the number of women who own guns has been rising rapidly.  The percentage of women who own a gun nearly doubled from 2005 to 2011.  Those guns are not gathering dust.  A growing number of women are at the range and taking classes.  Women are on the cutting edge of self-defense.  I offer as example of the students I see and the students of our frequent guest Kathy Jackson.

Rob- There is a list of women’s gun groups on my blog site Everytown for Gun Safety.wordpress.com

John 7- We’re not sure if it was on purpose or an accident.  On the first of July, a poorly written law in Mississippi exempted disabled military veterans from paying some hunting and registration fees.  Unfortunately, the law it required veteran submit to a disability review by the Veterans Administration.  Many veterans will decline that opportunity, thank you.  The bill also required non-veterans to submit to a mental health exam at the will of the Mississippi state police.  It isn’t clear how the bill will be implemented by law enforcement.  Gun owners need a strong state organization that takes a critical look at legislation.  This legislation may have taken Mississippi back to “may issue” status.

Paul 8- This probably wasn’t the answer they were looking for.  The MSNBC network conducted a poll asking, “Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public?” 84 thousand people answered.  88% chose “Yes! The Second Amendment guarantees the right to carry in pubic.  Another 4% chose “Only for self-defense.” and 8 percent said carrying a gun is too dangerous.

John Comment- I didn’t know MSNBC had 84 thousand viewers.

John 9- Because of changes in the Georgia gun laws, churches in Georgia now have an opt-in or opt-out policy towards concealed carry while at church.  An Episcopal bishop in Georgia said he will forbid concealed carry in church.  Other congregations have accepted concealed carry. Pastor Tom Rush said, “Quite frankly, we may have some people in our church that are uncomfortable with the idea… You know, I grew up in a day when we left the sanctuary doors open so people could come in at any time and pray. Unfortunately, we don’t live in those days anymore.”

This is part of a larger social trend of our culture splitting into isolated tribes.  Honest gun owners have had to choose which stores to enter based on the store’s no-guns policy.  Now that decision includes churches as well.

Rob- This issue isn’t confined to Georgia.  I live in California.  Last year a nearby church took an anti-self-defense petition to a city council.  The church’s public statements sounded inclusive, but their claims were wildly inaccurate.  I asked to speak with the church committee but they ignored me and never returned my calls.

Rob 10- In California, Assembly bill 1014 remains in committee.  The bill creates a new law aimed directly at California gun owners.  The bill requires police to proactively confiscate firearms and hold them for one year with no due process based solely on an accusation made by an immediate family member, a law enforcement officer or any health professional.

The person filing the complaint only has to believe quote “the gun owner poses a significant risk of personal injury to himself, herself, or another by having under his or her custody and control, owning, purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm.”  close quote.  One anti-gun doctor could declare all California gun owners mentally unfit.

John Comment- so will every vindictive divorce lawyer.

Rob Comment- We commented last week on California’s failing grades for mental health treatment.  They aren’t doing any better this week.

Paul Gun Quotes- The American Revolution was a beginning, not a consummation, said by President Woodrow Wilson.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Seg 3 Interview with Kathy Jackson and Frank Fiamingo

Questions for Frank
Frank, earlier this week Governor Christie vetoed the magazine capacity bill that was on his desk, could you talk a little bit about that?

Are there any other bills related to gun rights that are still on his desk?
Why are gun owners blamed for violence?
Politicians want a soundbite solution.

What else is going on with the NJ2AS?

Questions for Kathy

Thanks for coming on Kathy, It’s been a while since we were able to have you on for a long form interview and I am so happy that we found a hole in your schedule so that you could join us tonight! I would like to discuss a few of the more recent blog posts. The first one that I would really like to cover is one you titled “Strength and Weakness” where you talk about a the recent Miss USA pageant winner and her take on self defense, in reference to a Larry Correa post. Could you talk a little bit about that?

Another post that I really liked was one of your shorter posts from late May entitled “He Didn’t Deserve That” One unfortunate side effect of our society is that everyone seems to be suing for everything. I thought that this post was quite illuminating in that it seems to have spread to some sectors of public opinion. Could you talk a little bit about that post?

Rob- Kathy, in one of your posts you said You’re never disarmed. “Your ultimate resource for self-defense are the things you carry inside yourself.” Would you tell our listeners more about that?

Guns and alcohol?

Normalcy bias- When someone chokes we want permission to help.
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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob 1- Two young men walked into Marlene’s jewelry store in Fresno, California.  The two men looked at the display cases and slowly moved towards the cash register in the back of the store.  That is where one of the thieves pulled out a gun and pointed it at one of the store employees while demanding cash and jewelry.  Seconds later, the store owner pointed his shotgun around the corner from the back room of the store.  The unarmed thief yelled “shoot them” as he dropped and ran towards the door, but the armed thief turned and followed his cowardly compatriot.  Both young thieves were caught on video and are very lucky to be alive.

Paul 2- Thieves tried to steal a vehicle parked in front of a home in Wasilla, Alaska.  When that failed, they tried to force their way inside the home through the kitchen door.  The 65-year-old homeowner called 911 and then fired a single shot.  She missed, but the criminals turned and ran.  They were long gone by the time state troopers arrived.

Citizens are the first responders, either as witnesses or as victims.

John – comment – if the homeowner was a few years older, I might have guessed it was my first cousin Ginny who lives in Wasilla!

John 3- This man is my hero.  A Centralia, Washington man and his girlfriend were sitting in their living room when a homeless 43-year-old stranger entered their home armed with a knife.  The homeowner grabbed his shotgun and ordered the intruder out of the house. They both walked outside, but instead of leaving, the intruder pushed the homeowner down a flight of stairs on the back porch. The intruder then grabbed a machete sitting on the porch and approached the homeowner.  Rather than shooting his attacker, the homeowner hit him with the butt of his shotgun, putting him on the ground and holding him there until the police arrived.  The homeowner preserved the life of a drug addled man.  Sheriff Steve Mansfield said. “This is another example of why citizens need to take all possible precautions and be prepared if something like this occurs.”

Do you have that much restraint after getting pushed down the stairs?

Rob 4- Well your hero has some competition.   My hero is Orlandous Brown who suffers from cerebral palsy and needs a wheelchair.  Orlandous came home Thursday morning in the company of his friend Latisha Vernon and Latisha’s 17-year-old daughter.  That is when he discovered that someone was already inside his Easly, South Carolina home and was robbing the place.  The thief was armed, but so was Orlandous.  Latisha and her daughter fled the home and called 911.  Deputies moved the women a safe distance away, and entered the home a few minutes later.  They found 33 year old Orlandous wounded from a single round and they also found the intruder, 26-year-old Darin Lowe, dead from multiple gunshot wounds.

Orlandous was transported by ambulance to the local hospital where he underwent surgery and is expected to make a full recovery. Police believe Orlandous may have been targeted because he is disabled and the dead intruder thought he was an easy target.

Comment- The thief thought wrong.

Paul 5- There is no way and no reason to pretty this up.  Gun control kills.  Two armed teenagers shot a couple as they walked on the sidewalk of Newark, New Jersey.  The murderers told the couple to kneel.  They shot 17-year-old Cheyanne Bond in the head execution style.  Her boyfriend survived.  The money Bond’s family had set aside for the teenager’s tuition at nursing school will go toward her funeral.  The crime rate in New Jersey has exploded since gun-prohibition was enacted in the late 1960s.  Now, long time politician and anti-gun Newark Mayor Ras Baraka has the murder rate he worked for.

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John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 249 – Jim Irvine and Molly Pitcher

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on wednesday, July 2nd, 2014, I’m Rachel Malone.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have an interview with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms talking about training school staff to protect our children.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and have an interview with Molly Pitcher of CATI-Austin talking about the upcoming Gunpowder and Lace ladies open carry walk.
Rachel, we have our usual weekly news and stories of defensive gun use, as well as Mary Ann Schow talking about gun games for our tips and tricks segment, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Rachel: Episode 249 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob- Dry practice and wondering about new training techniques.

John- Still waiting for a SIRT pistol coming out in M&P since I’m not a Glock fanboi.

Rachel- Gave a presentation along with a local CATI leader for TAG (Texans for Accountable Government). We talked about gun legislation in Texas – why it failed, good outcomes from that, and what we need from activists to get stuff done next spring in the legislative session. I like the way TAG functions – they encourage their members to take charge in their area of interest and provide support by facilitating communication to other activists who can help out.

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News_Partner_whiteRob- To open the news we have a rant from Rachel Malone. This one is about the heart of leadership, so let us know what is on your mind, Miss Malone.
Rachel-

I was asked the other day, “How many people do you have who would blindly follow you?”

My response: “Nobody, I hope.”

I don’t want people to follow me. Now, that might sound strange. I AM the leader of a gun rights organization, am I not? Aren’t I supposed to be leading the way? Why on earth would I NOT want people to follow me?!

I’ve got three reasons.

#1 – I’m not going to do your work for you.

The responsibility of running this country and holding elected officials accountable belongs to We the People. Last time I checked, I wasn’t a plural entity. I’m one person, and I’m responsible for myself. You’re another person, and you’re responsible for yourself. Get out there and do what you’re supposed to do.

Even though I am the director of a gun rights organization here in Texas – I want all you Texans out there to know, I’m not going to lobby for you. I’m going to lobby for myself. I’ll teach you how to lobby, I’ll teach you how to be involved, but I won’t do your work for you. Get out there and do the job yourselves!

Even if I wanted to be nice and do your work for you….

#2 – I’m not always right.

As hard as I work to research thoroughly and get my facts straight and present 100% correct information, I’m still very human. I’m going to mess up sometimes. It’s happened before, and it will certainly happen again. I’ll be responsible for my own mistakes, but please don’t try to make me responsible for yours.

Also, I may simply hold to a slightly different position than you on some things. So, perhaps our beliefs line up perfectly in most things but diverge in 10%. You’d be wrong to just blindly follow because you’d be violating your conscience in that 10%.

Even if I were always right and you knew you would always agree with me…

#3 – I want you to think for yourself.

If you end up following me, that’s great, but it has to be because you took time to consider the issue, look at the facts, and come to your own strong conviction that just happened to match up with mine.

A large part of what I’ve done with Texas Firearms Freedom is to take the time to do extensive research on an issue or on a piece of legislation, and then give people pertinent information on that bill. I DO give them my own conclusions and suggested action items as a convenience for them, but I always try to avoid pressuring people to just fall in line and do what I say.

My hope is that I can persuade people with logical arguments and facts, so that they take up my position with strong conviction. I don’t want passive agreement. I would rather have people believe what they believe with strong conviction whether they agree or disagree with me.

A person will fight for a belief with the same strength he believes it. So if you reach your conclusion by examining the facts and thinking for yourself, I think you’ll fight for it more strongly. You’ll have more reason to do so and more conviction that you’re right. You’ll be fighting for what YOU believe in. And THAT is what I want.

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I don’t want to have people blindly follow me. I want people to think for themselves and reach their own conclusions and chart their own courses to complete their own missions. I want to help them understand the process of effecting change so they can achieve their goals. Sure, I’ll tell them what I think and try to be persuasive, but at the end of the day, I don’t want them to agree with me just because I said something and they follow me. If they agree, I want it to be because they believe strongly the same things that I do, and they have reached those conclusions themselves.

Beware of anyone who asks you to blindly follow. Be very wary of any organization that sends you an action item without any explanation. Be extremely cautious and ready to cut ties with anyone who tries to get you to quit thinking and just do what they want you to do. That’s not their place. It makes your job a little bit easier right now, but it’s a cop out. Quit copping out. Do your own thinking.

I should also note that I consciously operate in the same way. You can’t buy my vote or agreement just because you’re my friend or you voted with me or helped me with some project. I won’t decide to agree with you as a favor to you, or because I “owe you one.” I’m not just going to follow you blindly no matter who you are and how much I like you as a person (and, I’m not going to refuse to work with you no matter how much I dislike you). No, you have to earn my vote or agreement. You have to persuade me. You have to show me that you’re right and convince me of the reasons. Do that, and you earn my support.

And I hope, for at least some of you, I will help you to think through issues and convince you of my position and earn your support. But please – make me EARN it. Don’t ever blindly follow me.

-Comments? Thoughts?

Rob- Rachel, that is why we give our listener news and DGU, so they can make up their own mind.

John- Hear-hear

1- John – Let’s start off with good news. Thanks to your efforts, Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) has listened to us. He vetoed the bill, A2006/S993, which would have banned possession of magazines with greater than 10 round capacity. Christie said in his veto message that the bill was one of those “cheaply recycled answers that never really address the root causes” of violence”.  He goes on to say, “These advocates argue that forcing an unstable, untreated, and likely clinically ill shooter to pause to reload during a rampage will humanely spare lives. This is the very embodiment of reform in name only. “ ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach said, “The Governor clearly recognizes the difference between legislation that punishes violent criminals vs. legislation that targets the rights of law-abiding citizens.”

Rob 2 -It wasn’t a quiet weekend in the windy city or the big apple.  21 people were shot in New York city and 42 people shot in Chicago over the weekend.  Both cities are the epitome of gun control and big government.  Both your big gulp and your magazine capacity are regulated and registered, but the violent crimes just keep on coming.  Strange, but the city government hasn’t learned that over-regulating the honest people hasn’t controlled the behavior of criminals at all.

Rachel- Maybe their gun free zone sign is broken, and no one told them?
John- I don’t think they want to learn.
Rachel- I don’t think they care. Regulation is the goal, not the means.
Rob- I think you’re right.

Rachel- Here is more news from Chicago.  Richard Hernandez was supposed to stop gang violence as a paid “interrupter” in the anti-gang CeaseFire program.  Now Chicago cops have another name for Hernandez. They call him a rapist.  Hernandez faces 36 counts of sexual assault and kidnapping of a teenage girl while he worked for the anti-violence program.  Hernandez is one of  nine employees of the CeaseFire who faced serious criminal charges in recent years.  Their convictions included illegal weapons possession and drug charges.

John 4- Outside the corrupt city of Chicago, Illinois now has over 60 thousand licensed concealed carry holders since the state started accepting application in January.  Firearms sales often slump during the summer as people get busy, but sales of handguns and the request for training and licensing courses have continued to grow.

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Rob- 5 As part of the American Civil Liberties Union’s recent report on police militarization, the Massachusetts chapter of the organization sent open records requests to SWAT teams across that state. They received a very interesting answer.  Small police department pool their resources and share a SWAT team.  The teams are operated by law enforcement councils, or LECs. These LECs are funded by several police agencies in a given geographic area and overseen by an executive board, which is usually made up of police chiefs from member police departments.  The LECs also facilitate technology and information sharing and oversee other specialized units, such as crime scene investigators and computer crime specialists.

This is the interesting part, the SWAT teams said they do not have to respond to freedom of information requests because they are not a state agency.  On the one hand, they claim that corporate status exempts them from open-records laws. On the other, they still claim the privilege of using deadly force on behalf of the state, and their evidence is admissable as a law enforcement officer.  I think someone has something to hide and needed better legal advice.

6 John – The California Legislature has now passed AB 1964 and sent it to Gov. Jerry Brown. The bill would eliminate the single-shot exemption to the Cal Handgun Roster. Only handguns originally made as single shots would be exempted. A firearm that was converted would have to be on the roster or it would be outlawed for sale. The Firearms Policy Coalition has an page up urging Gov. Brown to veto the bill. Links are in the show notes. They are also asking people to make their voice heard on SB 53 which would ban online sales of ammo in California (among other things). A link for that is up as well.

Rachel 7- Will the last manufacturer to leave the blue states please turn out the lights.  PTR left Connecticut and gave a commemorative rifle to the Governor of its new home in South Carolina.  Remington moved some of its production lines from New York to Alabama.  Sturm Ruger & Co Inc is building a 220,000-square-foot building in North Carolina. Colt which is also headquartered in Connecticut, moved its shop to Texas at the end of 2013.  Beretta abandoned Maryland and moved to Tennessee shortly after Maryland lawmakers banned assault weapons’ sales.  The reasons are simple.  These companies moved because of laws, costs and people.  They found more of what they wanted in other states.

John – comment – I hope to visit the PTR factory in a couple of weeks when we vacation at Myrtle Beach. Maybe I’ll come back with an interview.

Rob- They don’t build airplanes in California any more, and they don’t build cars in detroit any longer.

John 8- If you felt a bump in the night, it was a wave of freedom felt on July 1 as several states recognized more rights of self defense.  In Georgia, the guns everywhere bill went into effect with 12 new pro-defense provisions in state law.  Even purple Virginia had seven new pro hunting provisions take effect.  Mississippi had three bills become law that limit local pre-emption, exempts disabled veterans from paying hunting license fees, and created a tax holiday for hunting and fishing equipment.  A Tennessee bill will allow a gun owner to carry his firearm in his car without a permit while a second Tennessee bill makes it illegal to harass hunters and fishermen with drones.  Blue state Maryland allowed Sunday hunting, expanded hunting season, and instituted special classes to teach hunters to cull the overpopulation of deer in some Maryland counties.

Rob 9-Ahh, smell the freedom.. except in Los Angeles, California.  There the stupid is still strong.  The LA City Council proposed a 10 round magazine capacity ban.  That would make possessing large-capacity magazines a misdemeanor.  It would eliminate any grandfather exemption and demand standard capacity magazines be surrendered in 60 days.  There are of course exceptions for law enforcement and museum collections.  None of these new laws would have stopped the latest killer in Santa Barbara.

John Comment-  Somehow the criminals will ignore our 23 thousand gun laws, but obey this one.

Rob Comment- The stupid is everywhere in LA.

Rachel 10- Last episode we reported on the Federal district judge who denied the appeal of Colorado sheriffs to rescind the new Colorado gun restrictions.

Rob- Comment- Is this the same judge who took data from before the background check law went into effect to show that people didn’t use background checks?

Rachel – Yep, that is the judge.  Well the sheriffs have decided to appeal her ruling.

Weld County Sheriff John Cooke said,  “These laws are unconstitutional and unenforceable due to the way they are written.”

Rob- John and I met Sheriff Cooke.  I remember him.

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11 John- The Bloomberg funded group “Moms demand action” was asked to leave a Target department store in San Antonio, Texas.  The group demand that Target refuse service to licensed concealed carry holders.  The daughter of one of the protesters was murdered in a gun free zone.. so they want to turn all Target stores into gun-free zones.

Rob- What?  I can imagine this in Dallas, but Austin.

12 John – Unfortunately, Target has now issued a “Starbucks” type of statement regarding the carry of firearms in their stores. They say, “But starting today we will also respectfully request that guests not bring firearms to Target – even in communities where it is permitted by law.” I take this to mean that while they won’t post their stores, they want their stores to be unofficially gun-free zones. While Everyday Moms for Illegal Mayors is claiming victory, a spokewoman for Target clarified that “It is not a ban,” she said. “There is no prohibition.” Nonetheless, it is a PR win for the anti’s.

Rachel- There is stupid even in Texas, but not much.

Rob 13- Really, Rachel, then explain this.  Dallas County has an agreement with a private gun range to accept the firearms taken from people charged with domestic abuse or the subject of a protective order.  Jan Langbein, CEO of Genesis Women’s Shelter said, “Imagine how much better victims would sleep at night knowing all the guns had been removed.”  I say, “Imagine how helpless the victims will feel if their abuser drops a dime on them and has the victim disarmed by the cops.”

John- My lawyer can beat up your lawyer.

Rob- Exactly.

Rachel- Comment- Are you guys picking on Texas?

Rob- I know restraining orders are fairly common in divorce cases, but I’ve never found an example of someone charged for making false claims of domestic abuse.  The liars are simply never prosecuted.

Rachel 14-  There  is no workable definition of an assault rifle, yet many anti-gun politicians use exactly that pejorative term Assault Rifle to ban modern sporting rifles.  Well Ares Defense has come up with an AR-15 configuration that going to frustrate the gun grabbers.  It doesn’t have a flash suppressor or bayonet lug.  It has a conventional stock, yet it uses stock AR uppers.  It operates like an AR.  Eats ammo like an AR, and it shoots like an AR, but it looks just like any other semi-automatic hunting rifle.

Comment- A few pounds of freedom coming to an over-regulated gun-banning jurisdiction near you.

John15-More cops are doing it right.  The Paragould, Arkansas Police Department trained citizens  to carry concealed.  The one-day class covered the laws surrounding handguns and how to properly handle, fire and care for them. Students then went to the range with instructors for a live-fire practice session.  One instructor said the class is important because it also teaches students how to avoid becoming a victim. “Not just teaching them the specifics about carry and conceal, where you can carry, where you can’t carry, but give them information that they can use in their daily lives.  Be aware of your surroundings and reduce the chances, of having to use that concealed handgun to defend themselves or a loved one.”  Classes are available each month until October.  This is the department’s nineteenth year teaching the class.

Rob, I read about some other departments doing this.  Good for them.

John – Kathi Jackson will join us on Saturday night.

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A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman. Prince Philip

Rachel-Coming right up, we have an interview with Molly Pitcher of CATI-Austin regarding an upcoming special event, as well as an interview with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms, so stay tuned.

The Gunpowder and Lace Walk sponsored by CATI Austin will be held Saturday, July 12, 10:30 AM at the Capitol Visitors Parking Garage (12th st. and San Jacinto). Participants will meet on the corner for a safety briefing and then walk down Congress Ave. to 6th Street. Ladies, bring your black powder pistols and/or long guns. Chamber checks will be conducted as always to ensure safety (no round in the chamber for long guns). Long guns should be carried on a sling in a way that keeps the muzzle in a safe direction at all times.  More Info.  Facebook event page.  CATI TX page

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms.

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Rachel 1- It is good to have friends with guns in Pennsylvania.  Christopher Vazques and an associate robbed a 60 year old man in front of the victim’s house, taking his valuables and keys.  The victim recognized them and called police.  Because his keys were taken, the victim stayed outside to protect his car.  The thieves came back to take the car and they began beating the victim when he said he’d reported the earlier crime to police.  Moments later a neighbor yelled for the two men to stop beating the victim.  The neighbor fired one shot, striking Vazquez in the chest.  The criminal died at the hospital.  The shooter was taken into custody and released without charges.

Rob- Police were called to the Step-N-Style in Dayton Ohio before noon.  Two armed and masked men entered the store and demanded cash.  The store had been robbed before, only this time the store owner was armed.  He shot one of the armed robbers, and his accomplice fled.  Police later identified the dead criminal as 16 year old Isiah Haggins, Jr.

He lived with his grandmother, and the family was surprized by his armed criminal behavior.

Very few criminals start with armed robbery.  The start with stealing property, then burglary, then, finally muggings and armed robbery.  Maybe this young man was different, but for most criminals committing armed robbery, it isn’t their first crime.

John – The manager of La Bodega Mexican restaurant was happy that an off-duty Midland (Texas) Police detective was eating in his restaurant this past Friday night. That is because Nyocomus Garnett, 35, entered the restaurant through its backdoor intent on committing armed robbery. After Garnett fired several shots in the kitchen, he exited into the restaurant where he was met by the off-duty detective who told him to drop his handgun. Garnett refused and then tried to shoot the detective. That is when the detective shot and killed Garnett. No patrons or restaurant staff were injured in the robbery attempt. Police say that Garnett had an “extensive history” with Midland law enforcement.

PAUL, PLEASE EDIT OUR MISTAKE HERE.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rachel- From listener Chris Gillespie
I was a local store purchasing a monthly gun magazine. I reached the check out counter and the clerk asked if I concealed carry. I was thrown off guard by this question. I said “lets hope we never have to find out if I do.” How would you guys have answered that question?
Comments- Rachel? John? Rob?

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rachel John, do you have any new posts from your Blog, No Lawyers, only guns and money you want to mention?

John: I do. I did a post Monday about the story we discussed a bit earlier. It was about the Target store in San Antonio that ushered the gun control protesters off their property. The organizer made a comment that stuck me with me. She said they were “armed with children and clipboards.” The UN and all responsible and moral people have condemned the use of children as soldiers. While qualitatively different than the warlords in the Congo and elsewhere, it is still using innocent children as tools and props in a war against gun rights.

Rob- Well said, John Richardson.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 248 – Ben Branham and John Cardillo

NJ2AS linkPaul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, June 28, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Ben Branham of Modern Self Defense
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Gary: I am Gary Daugherty we will also talk about some strange technicalities of Illinois concealed carry law: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 248 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob- On Friday I went to a friends house to load the software, and we had a ball shooting my SIRT gun.. in his living room. this is a combination of laser tag with a decent trigger and magazine change. We had a setup where we could shoot at a paper target to the right, and used a full length mirror to shoot the same target off to our left. Its is all done with mirrors.

I shot an IDPA match in Alpine this morning too. Paul, how many hours do you want me to use up talking about all the fun I had? Steel on a live range is noisier than a laser . So is shooting from inside a truck. It is a pain in the rear to try and maneuver to shoot out the back window of a truck.. but fun. Got to move. Got to shoot. Got to shoot targets that move. Used the sights and also shot from retention. 230 grains of fun from my 1911.

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John – No new news for me since the midweek show.

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John – On Wednesday, the Second Amendment Foundation filed a Federal lawsuitchallenging North Carolina’s restriction of their Concealed Handgun Permits to US citizens. The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Felicity Todd Veasey, an Australian citizen and a permanent legal resident, who has lived in North Carolina for the last ten years. She currently resides in Butner with her husband and stepdaughter who are US citizens. The suit asks the US District Court to declare the law unconstitutional based upon the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and becauses it violates the 2nd Amendment. This suit is another of the Second Amendment Foundation’s challenges to restrictions on gun rights based upon alienage or citizenship. The NC General Assembly was asked to change the law during their short session but blew it off.

Rob- Comments –  Didn’t the Second Amendment Foundation win similar cases in other states.. in New Mexico for instance?  Now the North Carolina treasury will pay for the legislator’s laziness.

Gary – On Thursday, US District Court Judge Marcia Krieger upheld the Colorado laws that mandated background checks for private sales and that limited magazine capacity to 15 rounds. In her 50 page opinion, she said “”evidence shows that large-capacity magazines are frequently used in gun violence and mass shootings.” She also said that more competent defensive shooters need fewer rounds to hit their target which must explain why cops routinely have large – or standard – capacity magazines. Judge Krieger, in a footnote, also confuses the AR-15 with the M-16. As has become the unfortunate norm among many Federal judges, Krieger used the intermediate scrutiny standard to make her decision.

Rob- Comments –  It sounds like this judge knows nothing about firearms or the criminal use of firearms in a crime.

Matthew- 163 Democratic members of the US House of Representatives have signed an open letter to House Speaker John Boehner demanding a vote on gun control measures. This is about 80% of the total number of Democrats in the House. Given the timing of the letter, it seems this group of legislators think that gun control is a winning topic for Democrats despite a majority of Americans being opposed to more gun control.

Comments – John – I say, yes, please let’s make gun control an issue. We need more pro-gun Congressmen and women and this will help mobilize gun owners to get out and vote.

Comment- rob- These politicians are placing their campaign bets.  They think the bad publicity they get for supporting gun control will be offset by  fawning press coverage and campaign donations from anti-gun groups.

Paul – The National Shooting Sports Foundation just released a report this week that detailed the impact of hunters and target shooters on the economy. The $48 billion spent by hunters and shooters is responsible for 866,000 jobs and a total economic impact of $110 billion. The amount spent is more than the annual retail sales of companies like Coke, FedEx, and Disney. To put it in even greater perspective, the number of jobs – 866,000 – would make it the world’s 7th largest employer. The data used in the report comes from 2011 statistics. Imagine what it is now after the post-Newtown boom in sales of firearms and ammo.

Rob- Comments – Don’t ask me how much I paid for the venison I put in the freezer.

Rob- Ducks Unlimited used to put in duck ponds and graze areas.

John – This next story makes you want to say what the heck? Back in March, a legal concealed carry permit holder saved the life of the manager of Keith’s Superstore in Lumberton, Mississippi by stopping a thief in the act of stabbing the manager.  He did so without firing a shot and held the thief until police and EMS arrived. Fast forward 3 months. It now seems that the owners of Keith’s Superstore have posted “No Guns” signs on the door of the store and were quite rude when asked about it.

John- Comment – I wonder why they haven’t posted “No Knives” signs on the door instead.

Rob – Listen to this and hear your future.  Clark Aposhian could be said to be Utah’s top gun lobbyist.. and he had his guns taken away after a domestic dispute with his ex wife.  Aposhian was charged with disorderly conduct, domestic violence in the presence a child, criminal mischief, and threats of violence.. All this for sounding an air horn in a residential neighborhood. Aposhian was arrested last year after he drove his “deuce and a half” military surplus vehicle to his ex-wife’s house to pick up his daughter.

Quote  “I’ve been cleared of all these untrue and unfounded allegations. I’ve been vindicated. It’s unfortunate it took over a year to have that happen, at a great cost taxpayers and Cottonwood Heights, as well as at a great cost to myself.”

Last June a court ordered that Aposhian could not possess any firearms in light of a protective order filed against him. Aposhian said Monday that the protective order has been dismissed and he can have his guns back.

Matthew – Comment- You and I hear days in court.

John – Comment- Yeah, Lawyers hear the cash register ring. I am still confused on why divorce lawyers practice “family law”.

Rob Comment-  One of my friends used to thrill the little boys in the neighborhood when he drove his grandson to school in the company dumptruck.  That was not harassment and domestic violence.  This sounds like a couple conducting lawfare on each other using their lawyers as blunt instruments.

Paul- We talked about Washington DC’s new domestic violence gun ban a week ago.  Well, we told you so.

Matthew- Law enforcement officers beat their wives or girlfriends at nearly double the rate of the rest of the population, and trying to control that is not only difficult for the victims but potentially deadly, experts say. The trouble lies in the very nature of police work. One of the hallmarks of a good cop is to radiate authority and control, and in the wrong hands, those characteristics can be misused and lead to domestic intimidation and violence.

Gary- I’m sorry but the police are not there to save us.  An arrest was made Wednesday after two bodies were found along a rural road in southeastern Wisconsin earlier this month.  One of the bodies was identified as a woman reported missing late last year.  A West Allis man, 52-year-old Steven Zelich, was taken into custody in the death investigation.  Police identified Zelich as a former West Allis police officer.  The second victim found locked in a trunk alongside the road has not been identified.

Paul- Gun Quote- If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization,  then be prepared to accept barbarism.  Economist and Marine Corps veteran, Doctor Thomas Sowell

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Seg 3 Interview with former New York policeman, and current self-defense advocate, John Cardillo.  Here is John’s recent article in the Blaze about his views on self-defense after being a New York city cop.  Here are John’s older articles in the Blaze.  Here is a link to his current company, PsyID.

Segment 4 DGUs

Why Paul is not in Illinois getting trained for his CHL.  Illinois has restrictive requirements for reporting out of state crimes, so does not allow out of state residents to apply for a permit to carry.  It could easily expand the requirements to include Mental health reporting, Domestic violence reporting, Debts, Driving infractions, DUI reporting, and Definition of felony versus misdemeanor convictions.

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John -1 Sharon Doyle forgot her firearm when she went to work on Monday. So she went home and retrieved .38 revolver. That decision probably saved her life. A robber came into her health foods store with a knife and announced that this was a robbery. After going behind the counter and forcing the register open, he held a knife to Doyle’s chest. Doyle had previously served as a Philly police officer and a Secret Service agent. She credits her training with saving her life.

“I just went into a mode like this is what has to be done,” Doyle said. “One of us is walking out of the door and it’s gonna be me.” She shot the unidentified robber in the torso and called police. The unidentified robber was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced DOA. Doyle didn’t regret her actions.  She said “It might have saved somebody else because he looked like he was on a mission.  So, if it wouldn’t have been here, it may have been somewhere else.”

Rob- This police officer knew she had to be armed or be lucky, and she decided to be both armed and lucky that she was.

Gary- I get this comment in class often, “I only carry if I’m going some place dangerous”, I try to dissuade this opinion.

Rob – Two men are in the hospital following an attack in Chino Hills, California.  At about 2AM, Raiveon Wooden broke into the home of his ex-girlfriend and her parents.  He hid in the garage.  When the girl’s father went to investigate noises in his garage, Wooden attacked him and stabbed him multiple times.  Fortunately, the father was armed and shot Wooden, ending the attack.  Both men are being treated for non life threatening injuries.  Wooden faces charges of burglary as well as attempted murder.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob- Thank you to Scott Gibbons for sending in some news and DGUs.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Gary: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla, Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- That rant I did about crime in San Diego on our Wednesday show, well, it is a blog post and up at Ammoland and a Clash Daily.  It also turns out that in the county just north of me, annual applications for carry permits have already grown 10 fold year to year, and we are only in June.

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John:  I did a post today on the world’s most powerful handgun. Today marks the 100th anniversary of the day that Gavrilo Princip assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria. That was the spark that set off WW1. We often refer to pistols with calibers less than 9mm Luger or .38 Special as “mouse guns”. Well, it was a “mouse gun” – a FN Model 1910 in .380 Auto that was used to start WW1.

Rob- I’ve been on that bridge and read the report of how Franz Ferdidinad’s security detail was pulled from the motorcade.

Matthew: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Gary- I’m a member.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Matthew: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 247 – John Pierce and Anthony Collandro

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Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, June 25th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we get to talk with John Pierce of Open Carry and Firearms law.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we also talk with Anthony Colandro about New Jersey issues..
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, we also have our usual news and DGU’s,: so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
John: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 247 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – In keeping with Tom Gresham’s “No Shrug” Policy, I responded to a local hospital’s Facebook post sending people to the Brady Campaign’s Asking Saves Kids website. I noted that the Eddie Eagle program was proven to work and had many endorsements while the Brady Campaign was really about gun control and trying to stigmatize firearms. Later that day they had removed their original post.

Rob- I  had a couple dry practice sessions with my SIRT pistol. It is good for practicing follow-on shots.

Rachel- Wilderness Fun Day with friends learning about wilderness survival – knot tying, fire building, sheltering, and a great line-up of scenarios requiring medical help in backwoods settings. Despite all the skills training segments and emphasis on medical training, I learned most about leadership this time around – some important do’s and don’t’s.

Paul-  Nothing gun related, did add a new show sponsor and screwed up the editing of the last show.

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Rob- 1- Welcome back Anthony Colandro.  Anthony is a Master firearms trainer.  He’s on many NRA committees. He is a podcaster and is also the owner and operator of Gun for Hire at the Woodland Park Range in Woodland Park New Jersey.  Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast.  Anthony, tell us what is happening in New Jersey gun law?

Please call New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and ask him to oppose the magazine capacity bill.  We need calls from every state, not only New Jersey.  Governor Christie has until July 7th to sign or reject the bill that cuts capacity from 15 rounds to 10 rounds.  Call 609-292-6000 and politely ask Governor Christie to reject the bill.

Rob- when I called they did not ask where I was from.  I assumed they saw that I was from out of state.

Anthony, where will our listeners learn more about you? GunforHire.com

Paul 2- It was not a quiet week in the gun control paradise of Chicago where the gangs own the streets.  The gangs usually shoot each other, and they have no trouble shooting innocents as well.  19 people were shot this weekend, and 5 were killed.  The victims were walking on the street or working in neighborhood stores.  886 people were shot in Chicago so far this year.

We have a link showing the shootings for the last 30 days.chicago wounded June

Rob Comment- It is a little hard to show a graph on a podcast.  Here, I’ll hold it up higher.

Paul Comment- yeah, that helps.

john 3- Anti gun billionaire Michael Bloomberg spreads his love around.  Bloomberg invested a quarter million dollars to help the struggling campaign of incumbent Mississippi Senator Thad Cochran.  The unremarkable Senator Cochran won his primary race, so how do you think Thad Cochran will now vote on gun issues?  Mississippi gun owners had 250 thousand reasons to vote for Chris McDaniel, and the missed.

Rob Comment- No money for RINOs.

Paul Comment- No money for anti-rights RINOs or Asses.

Rachel Comment- The revenge of the low information voter.

Rob Comment- Thank you to your listeners who choose to stay informed on self-defense.

Rachel 4- A Joplin, Missouri, church decided the best way to get more people in the pews was to raffle off two Black Rain AR-15 rifles.  The first raffle was held at Ignite Church on Father’s Day to entice more young men to attend services.  The pastor says more raffles could follow.

Quote- “If we get people in the door, we get to preach the gospel. If we can get more people to follow Jesus, I’ll give away 1,000 guns. I don’t care.”

John Comment- well praise the lord and pass the 223.

Rob 5- Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin signed a bill into law that allows law enforcement to seize and store guns from someone subject to a restraining order.   Despite how good it sounds, I expect this tactic to be the latest escalation in disputed divorces.  Note that restraining orders often do not require evidence or a hearing.  Unfortunately domestic violence makes good press.. until we read about a victim being disarmed and beaten.

Paul 6- Everything the government does is political.  David James is suing the US Army Corps of Engineers because they will not give him permission to camp while armed at Georgia’s McKaskey Creek campground.  The Corps won’t even give mister James the reason why.  That left him with no choice but to file the lawsuit.  James is a former police officer and military veteran who has a Georgia Weapons Carry Licnese.  The Corps allows hunting on their property, and courts have ruled that a campground is considered a temporary domicile and due such protections under firearms laws.

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John 6B- This is a surprising article.  It says that strengthening gun control won’t stop the next mass shooter, but changing the treatment for the mentally ill for treatment just might.  The article asks us to look at the last mass murderer in Santa Barbara.  California’s gun control laws received an “A-” grade from both The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.  The gun control organization got their wishes answered and we had mass murder in California anyway.  The murderer obeyed every California Firearms law.

Comment- Right up until the moment he didn’t.

You’re right.  In contrast, the nonprofit Treatment Advocacy Center looked at both the quality of involuntary mental health treatment and the availability of court orders to force treatment.  California received a failing grade of an “F”

That is from an article on CNN.

Rachel Comment- Let me check the weather report.  There might be snow in hell right now.

Rachel 7- Michigan Governor Rick Snyder signed bills into law that protect the identity of lawful gun owners by keeping state firearms records confidential.  The bills passed with support from both political parties.  Firearms records are now immune from Freedom of Information Act requests, though the records remain available to law enforcement during an investigation.

Rob 8- San Diego County, California is may Issue for concealed carry, so law enforcement grants the right of armed self-defense at their discretion.  San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said law enforcement will protect you.  That is hard to believe given the thousands of crime victims in the county each month.

In the last few weeks-

-It was afternoon when a woman was helping her elderly mother into her car.  A man in a white SUV drove up next to her and asked for directions.  The stranger then got out of the SUV, pointed a handgun at her, and demanded the woman’s purse.  He then shot her in the back as she ran away.

Comment- That is one

-A San Diego woman was asleep in her Pacific Beach home at 2AM.   She woke to find a stranger touching her.  She screamed and the stranger fled.

Comment- That is two

-A gun-wielding robber approached two women as they were getting into their car in La Jolla.  The robber showed a pistol and ordered the two women into their car.  He then forced them to their local ATM and made them withdraw money.  He then had them return him to where they were originally kidnapped.  There the robber fled on foot.

Comment- That is three

-San Diego Police arrested a man suspected of a triple murder.  Back on Christmas Eve, the victims were shot as they sat in their cars at the Mission Valley Mall.  Police spokesmen said they would release details next week.

Comment- That is four

-A robber rode his motorcycle up to the Oceanside, California branch of Union Bank.  He parked the bike on the sidewalk, walked inside, and then robbed a teller at gunpoint.  Then he drove away on his motorcycle.  Oceanside is in north San Diego County.

There are four to five thousand examples in San Diego each month were the police could not protect the victims.  That is understandable.  The average police response time is 5 minutes but sometimes that stretches out to several hours.  Citizens are on their own in the mean time.

Sheriff Bill Gore says he can’t issue San Diego citizens a license to carry a weapon, though many other California Sheriffs do exactly that.  That sounds unfair to me, and a 3 judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed.

The Court called Sheriff Gore’s policy unconstitutional!  Now the full court will decide.  Until then, the citizens of San Diego will continue to be helpless victims.  150 disarmed people a day are victims of violent crime in San Diego County.  (Link) This will continue until Sheriff Gore acknowledges their right of self-defense.Early May

Paul- Gun Quotes of the week- “With guns in the hands of many citizens, we will have tragedies.  With guns only in the hands of the government, we will have genocide.”  Multiple sources

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Seg 3 Interview with John Pierce

I first read about John Pierce at Opencarry.org.  Later John and I met face to face.  Now John is a lawyer with his own practice in Virginia.  Welcome to the polite society podcast, John Pierce.

Councillor, we’ve seen citizens robbed as they left a convenience store where the convenience store had a no guns allowed sign up on their door.  We’ve also seen gun owners robbed as they left a shooting range that doesn’t allow concealed carry.  These stores identified their customers as being disarmed and as prime targets.  They can be robbed for their money, their wallet, or their weapons.  What principles of law apply to these stores and the risk they create for anyone who enters?

A man was shot outside a Jackson, Miss., convenience store where the proprietor had posted a “no firearms allowed” sign.

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/01/14/business-with-gun-free-zone-signs-may-be-tagged-with-legal-liability-94257

Two people shot outside gun shop.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Cops-Gunman-shoots-clerk-steals-6-firearms-in-Northeast-gun-shop-robbery.html

To the criminals, the human predators, waiting outside, these gun-free zone signs say the victims have been disarmed and are easy pickings.

John, where can our listeners read about you?  http://monachuslex.com/

Segment 4 DGUs

John A- This DGU is from Memphis, Tennessee.  Drunk Tony Hardin was fighting with his girlfriend and her adult son.  According to the victims, Hardin chased them with a hammer and a wrench and threatened to kill them.  That was when the son shot Hardin and the victims made their escape.  The son was taken into custody, but released.  Hardin was taken to the hospital and charged with aggravated assault.

Rachel 1- Anti-gun groups say this never happens, but it sure happened here.  A gunman burst into a 15 year highschool reunion in East Peoria, Illinois.  The gunman then shot his ex-wife and her new boyfriend.  The assailant was then shot by an off duty FBI agent who happened to be in the same restaurant and witnessed the assault. Unfortunately, all three died.  Thanks to the FBI agent, for making sure no one else was injured.

A gun free zone since it served liquor in Illinois?  According to Illinois legislators, we’d be safer if everyone was disarmed except the criminal.

Paul 2- Two teens were on a car robbing spree when a man heard them break into his car early Tuesday morning.  The car owner stepped outside,and that is when the car thief, Jarvis Brooks, age 18, shot at the car owner.  The owner fired back.  Brooks and his accomplice, Jashayla Finney, 17, fled in another stolen car.  Brooks was picked up at the hospital where he was being treated for a gunshot wound.  Finney was picked up for questioning by police a short time later.  Since they are minors, the police can not say much about the two robbers. but both of their portrait pictures were available for the newspaper article, so perhaps this was not the first time they have come to the attention of the local police.  Both face charges.

Rob 3- Wendell Vanbuskirk of Indianapolis, Indiana got drunk and was fighting with his fiancee at a family cookout for Fathers Day. He agreed to leave the party.   He returned with a baseball bat after midnight and started beating his fiancee’s mother.  His future father in law saw the attack, drew his gun, and shot Vanbuskirk.  Vanbuskirk died.  No arrests have been made and the investigation is ongoing. Police do not suspect the father-in law of any crime because he was acting in defense of his wife and himself.

John 4- It is good to have friends with guns.  A 27 year old convenience store clerk was robbed in Milwaukee, Wisconsin on Wednesday night.  During the robbery, the thieves shot the clerk.  A second employee at the convenience store shot back and wounded one of the robbers.  We don’t know how bad the situation would have become if the second store clerk was not armed.  We do know the shooting stopped when the criminal was wounded.  The wounded robber, age 25, and his 20 year old accomplice are in police custody.

rachel 5- A convenience store clerk in Rutland Vermont has been fired.  58 year old Don Pitaniello was closing up Mac’s Convenience Store Monday night when a man wearing a hoodie and a bandana over his face entered the store and threatened him with a roughly 5-inch blade.

Quote, “I looked up when I heard the doorbell chimes and saw the hoodie, the bandana, and a bag in his hand.  He (the robber) walked up to the counter, laid the knife on it and said ‘Empty the register.’”

The store clerk has carried a handgun all his life and had his .380 in his grasp and behind his back before the intruder made it to the counter.  The robber waved his knife in Pitaniello’s face, and the store clerk responded by pointed his handgun at the robber. Thats when the robber fled.

The store had been robbed at least eight times, and this attempted robbery is the the second time in a week that an assailant armed with a knife has demanded money from convenience store clerks in the Rutland.

The clerk, Don Pitaniello said, “I can always find a new job.”

Rob6- Some people can’t find another job.. not when they own the business.  Kent Wright and his wife live in Red Lake Falls, Minnesota.  They were sleeping the the basement of their convenience store early Father’s day when they heard a noise upstairs.  Kent went upstairs when 16 the year old intruder hit him in the head with a flashlight.  Kent recovered, and rather than shoot the youngster with the pistol he carried, the threw the youngster to the ground and jumped on him.  Quote, “I got on top of him and said don’t you move and I said a few other choice words I shouldn’t repeat.”

Thank you for your restraint, Mister Wright.  You, sir, saved a young man’s life.  The 16 year old male was charged with  1st degree burglary.

Comment- I’m surprised he wasn’t charged with assault, too.

Paul 7-  Speaking of choice words, this reads like a bad detective novel.  A traveling contractor in Jackson, Mississippi was staying the night in a Motel 6.  While crossing the motel parking lot, a stranger asked him for a cigarette.  He said he didn’t have any.  That is when the stranger drew a gun and said, “I bet you don’t have one of these, either.”  The robber lost the bet and the intended victim shot him.  The robber ran, but was soon picked up by police.  The charge against the robber have been filed with the Hinds County Jury.

John8- Two intruders broke through a front door and demanded money from the occupants of this Valdosta, Georgia home.  One of the robbers was armed with a rifle, and the other was armed with a handgun.  Two of the occupants of the home, a mother and son, were both shot as they attempted to flee.  Another occupant, an older man, was in the back of the house, and he grabbed his own handgun when when he heard the noise.  He shot both intruders several times.  The intruders ran but were soon picked up by police.

The robbers claimed they were victims of a separate shooting, but were identified by the homeowners.  That is why YOU want to be the first one to call police.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend

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John: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla, Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Paul: Check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Ben will join us this Saturday.

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John: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

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Paul: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rachel: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show.. take someone shooting,
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 246 – Joe Chetwood

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live at ABN Army Surplus on Saturday, June 21, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly news
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use.
Joe: And I’m Joe Chetwood from Crusader Weaponry, so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Gary: and hang on
Paul: Episode 246 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
Joe- Expecting a new child.

Gary- Car show season.

Rob- I took a newbie shooting. He was one of those “low profile” guys who didn’t want to shoot because buying guns and ammunition would put him on someone’s list. He changed his mind after he inherited two nice revolvers from his uncle. My friend and I took the newbie to the range and let him use our ammunition. He has a six inch Colt Python in 357 and a similar Colt in 22. Every gun has something to teach you.

I bought a SIRT pistol and am learning how to train with it. It isn’t a firearm. SIRT stands for Shot Indicating and Resetting Trigger. The pistol is the love-child between a Glock and a laser pointer. Dry practice has finally gone high tech.

I went to an open house for Empowered Firearms, a new gun store and indoor training facility that is only a few miles from my house.  Chad and LeAnne are nice folks.  What is a little unusual about Empowered Firearms is that you can rent their training facility and have a group lesson.  We’re thinking of having an event there some Friday night.  They have plenty of parking and there are some nice restaurants within walking distance for an after party.  That is firearms, fuel and food done right.

Gary, they did have barbeque at their open house, but they brought it in.  It wasn’t home cooked like ABN.

Matt- Extra shooting because my semi truck broke down.  Retro rifle in 30-06 and winchester 1897 12ga shotgun.

Paul- Earning a living and getting my license from the South Dakota DOT.  I let my hazmat certification lapse.  I had to renew it.

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Paul 1- Along with more government regulation comes more politicization and less tolerance.  Now Microsoft has applied its corporate code of conduct to ban firearms and ammunition sales to organization using its products.  Windows OneDrive, formally known as Microsoft SkyDrive, is built into Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8 for Phones and Windows 8 for Tablets. If you work in the gun industry you should avoid these products. You could wake up one morning to find your account terminated and all your emails, contacts, calendar etc. deleted.

Windows Live powers a number of Microsoft services including Microsoft’s cloud email and cloud Office suite. Windows Live, Outlook.com and Exchange Online power many large institutions including colleges and high schools. Don’t use any Microsoft-hosted email systems to buy or sell guns.  If you use Microsoft Office in your gun business, make sure you do not use the Office 365 service to share business-related files.

Rob- My local gun stores have gone to apple apps, and may be forced to use Linux.

Rob 2- The US supreme court ruled that the BATFE can issue a ruling and impose restrictions that are not in the written law.  The court upheld the conviction of former police officer Bruce Abramski for acting as a straw buyer of a firearm.  Abramski bought a firearm and was a legal buyer.  Abramski  then transferred the gun to a legal owner using a FFL for the transfer and background check.  Supreme court justice Elena Kagan ruled that the original buyer was not the intended recipient, and was therefore a straw buyer.  The ATF had previously ruled that you could buy a firearm for a raffle or as a prize where the final owner was unknown.  Gentlemen, call your lawyers, because I can’t tell you how to follow the law.

***Joe 3- There is no shortage of crazy, and HERE is some more.  A 16 year old and 17 year old planned to attack their Volunteer, Tennessee high school.  They planned carefully and wanted to correct the mistakes they saw in the Columbine High School shootings.  These boys weren’t bullied.  These boys did not have a record of discipline problems.  An adult found out about their plans and a mental health counselor said the plans were real rather than a fantasy.  Police seize journals the boys kept along with explosives they had collected.

The 16 year old was fixated on mass murder.  This Thursday both boys appeared in Hawkins County Juvenile Court charged with conspiracy to commit first degree murder, conspiracy to commit an act of terrorism, and possession of explosive components.

We were lucky, because most school officials are not trained and armed.

Matt 3B- They have crazy to spare in the California legislature.  State Senate Bill 53 would allow the California Department of Justice to collect and retain the name and address of every purchases of ammunition in the state. According to the report, this bill would force any American wishing to purchase ammunition to allow the DOJ to archive his or her fingerprints and perform a background check in addition to collecting a fee. The financial obligation would be recurring, since the ammunition purchaser permit would have to be renewed every two years.  The bill would also eliminate all online sales or shipments by freight.

Rob- The bill passed the senate and house committees, so California listeners please contact your legislators HERE.  I’ll say please again if you like.  There are crazy California bills that cover the ground from outlawing bullet buttons to BB-guns.  I found a website at the FIrearms Policy Coalition that lists firearms legislation in each state so check this site often.

Rob- Can I rant about stupid gun bills for a minute?  Our legislators pretend that they can keep every single firearms cartridge from getting to criminals.. while at the same time they tell me they can’t stop a quarter million illegals who come across our border, and they can’t find the 4 million illegals that are already here.  You can’t find a person but you can keep track of every bullet?  That is crazy talk.

Paul 4- It had to happen eventually.  Fox news has FINALLY(!) caught up with the Polite Society Podcast.  Professor John Lott listed the many lies that President Obama speaks when he promotes gun-control.  According to Professor Lott-

President Obama claimed that 40 percent of gun sales take place without a background check.  That is a lie.

President Obama claimed that the US is the only developed country where the mentally ill get their hands on firearms.  That is a lie.

President Obama claimed there is no law or regulation requiring a background check for a semi-automatic weapon.  That is a lie.

President Obama claimed that the NRA and gun manufacturers flood local politicians with money and stop gun control.  That is a lie.  In fact it inverts the truth.  Gun control advocates outspend the NRA for TV ads by a ratio of 7 to 1.

Professor Lott collected the facts, and Fox news published them.  Welcome Aboard, Fox news.

Comment- What took them so long?

Joe 5- President Obama keeps telling us that Australian gun registration has brought peace and prosperity to the land down under.

Comment-  Has it cooled the planet too?**

The president forgot to tell us that the rate of aggravated assault and armed assault rose in Australia.  This week, the Australian police reported that a full 10 percent of the firearms they sieze are homemade, mostly made and bought by biker gangs.  Some are crude shotguns, but some a sophisticated submachine guns.

Comment-  Yeah, I meant to tell you, but I mis-spoke.

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Matt 6- Moms Demand Action had a rally in New York City.  Yes, the anti-gun group funded by Michael Bloomberg was able to round up 35 protesters.  They demanded more gun laws and fewer firearms for citizens as they marched across the Brooklyn Bridge.  I don’t know if you noticed it in the cropped pictures, but in the wide angle shots, you see the marchers escorted by armed police and plain clothes armed security.

Paul- Comment-  Now I get it.  Guns are bad, but there are rules for you and me, and different rules for them.

Matt- Yep, that is what it looks like.

Gary 7- The opposite of hypocrisy is integrity.  Kansas lawmakers and some staff could already carry their licensed concealed firearms into the state capital.  As of July 1, so can any other licensed concealed carry holder.  Susan Wagle is the Senate President.  She said, “We can’t be hypocritical.  We either believe that concealed carry increases safety and that anyone who has a license is a legitimate individual who seeks not to harm anyone else or you don’t believe it.”

Patricia Stoneking, president of the Kansas State Rifle Association, said “The taxpayers pay for this building.  We’re talking a civil right — not a privilege.”

Rob- I wonder if I can find a job in Kansas?

Joe 8- There is also a hint of sanity in Ashland, Oregon.  A city plan to restrict open carry of loaded guns was thrown out by the City Council.  The council decided the law was unenforceable law because concealed carry holders are allowed to openly carry in public, and state firearms law pre-empts municipal law in Oregon.

Gary- Comment- Thank you Ashland.  I doubt that much common sense would have slowed Chicago, New York City or Washington DC.

Matt9- The gun grabbers are at it again in Florida.  The tactic is called sue and settle.  Florida has a pre-emption law that should stop local towns and counties from enacting their own gun regulations.  That scheme falls apart when the state attorney general allows the state to refuse to prosecute local elected officials.  When this case against the local officials was appealed, the states attorney filed a motions stating “we will take no position”.

Citizens are suffering malicious prosecution from local law enforcement, and the state is ignoring it. It is time for Florida liberty lovers to call their AG, Pamela Bondi, and ask her to straighten out her staff.

10 Gary- Judges are reluctant to tell a prosecutor he has a bad case.  Not in this example.  A Maryland Judge tossed the absurd case where were special prosecutors Ronald Naditch and Assistant State’s Attorney Brian Marsh said there is no right self-defense in Maryland. You’re supposed to call 911 instead.

We talked about this last September when we reported that-

Matthew Pinkerton defended his wife and family when the attacker broke into Pinkerton’s home just before 2 a.m. Sunday after being told repeatedly to leave.  The attacker acted aggressively and motioned toward his waistband as if he had a weapon.  Pinkerton shot Green once in the chest from 10 to 15 feet away, but Green continued to advance toward him, his wife Jessica and two friends who were at the house.  That’s when Pinkerton shot him again. The attacker died at the scene.

Gary- Usually a judge will let a jury decide, but in this case the judge so agreed with the defense that the judge dismissed the charges.  I hope mister Pinkerton had self-defense insurance because this probably cost him many tens of thousands of dollars for his legal defense.

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Paul 1- There is a medical term called herd immunity that describes the spread of contagious disease.  By analogy, what would happen to criminals if most of the honest citizens were carrying firearms?  Crime would become very dangerous for the criminals and probably wouldn’t spread very far.  That seems to be what happened in Houston, Texas at The Grey Room club.  Two men followed a patron into the parking lot where they forced the victim to the ground and took his money.  A bystander saw what was going on and opened fire on the suspects, striking one of them in the neck. The pair of suspects then jumped into their vehicle and tried to get away.  Police soon caught up with them.  They took the wounded man into custody, but the second robber got away.

Joe 2- Anti-gun groups say this never happens, but it sure happened here.  A gunman burst into a 15 year highschool reunion in East Peoria, Illinois.  The gunman then shot his ex-wife and her new boyfriend.  The assailant was then shot by an off duty FBI agent who happened to be in the same restaurant and witnessed the assault. Unfortunately, all three died.  Thanks to the FBI agent, for making sure no one else was injured.

Gary 3-  Two intruders broke through a front door and demanded money from the occupants of this Valdosta, Georgia home.  One of the robbers was armed with a rifle, and the other was armed with a handgun.  Two of the occupants of the home, a mother and son, were both shot as they attempted to flee.  Another occupant, an older man, was in the back of the house, and he grabbed his own handgun when when he heard the noise.  He shot both intruders several times.  The intruders ran but were soon picked up by police.

The robbers claimed they were victims of a separate shooting, but were identified by the homeowners.  That is why YOU want to be the first one to call police.

Here is the Houston versus Chicago data.  http://imgur.com/r/conservatives/en3HZ5T

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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1 from TJ

Hey Paul,

The guy probably did NOT have a holster, but here’s a back pocket option.

http://www.bearcreekholsters.com/back-pocket.php

TJ

Matt: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Joe: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Gary: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

Matt-: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Joe: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Gary: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Rob- Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the mid-week show…

Joe: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 245 – David Cole and Taleia Mueller

NJ2AS linkIntro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, June 18th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonight’s show we have an interview with firearms trainer and author David Cole.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have another tips and tricks segment with Taleia Mueller.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 245 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Gary-  I’ve been teaching a lot, teaching a four 4 hour concealed carry class during the week for a private group. 16 hours is the state requirement in Illinois. I was a concealed carrier when I lived in Las Vegas. When I moved back to Illinois I was looking for additional training on the NRA website and I found classes for people wishing to become instructors. Wanting to become better at my hobby of over 30 years I signed up two and a half years ago. And I have a special offer for podcast listeners, go to my website FirearmSafetyInstitute.com click register now  enter promotional code psp and receive $50 off at our next concealed carry class.

John – I’ve been traveling and working since the last podcast. However, I just read something before the show that scares me. It seems that Michael Bloomberg and his money is buying calls to Congress demanding background checks. It is what you do when you don’t have a real grassroots. The NRA-ILA is concerned and is asking the real grassroots – you and me – to either write or call Congress. You can call at 202-225-3121 to get your Senator or Congressman. A link to the NRA’s “write your reps” page is in the show notes. Consider this your 90 seconds of activism to save a lifetime of gun rights. That literally is how long it took to send emails to all my national representatives.

Rob- I ordered a training firearm, a SIRT gun.  I pick it up tomorrow.  It is a laser pointer wrapped in the shape of a Glock.  It is a good training tool, particularly for my friends with a flinch.  I also ordered more holsters from Overwatch Holsters, and I pick those up tomorrow too.

Rachel, what gun do you run for Appleseed?

Rachel- Nothing fancy. It’s my first rifle I ever bought – a Ruger 10/22. I added sling swivels and mounted a cheap scope – a Simmons .22 mag. That’s it for modifications. It’s made at least half a dozen Riflemen so far, so I’d say it’s a keeper.

I got to go shooting yesterday at my neighbor’s! We tried out a couple oddball pistols and then got to play with his newly set-up AR. You know you’re shooting with the right group when you’re at the range and everyone wants to do a dry-firing segment to try to improve groupings.

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Rob- We make fun of the news media pretty often, so we really have to give a shout-out when a paper gets it right.. even if it is the campus paper at the University of Texas at Austin.  They pointed out that gun free zones fail time and again.  Gun free zones fail to the point that they are really murder magnets.  The article points out that all the gun free zones do is disarm the honest concealed weapons carriers.  The article also pointed out that concealed handgun license holders are extremely safe and law abiding.  The mentioned that many lives are saved when citizens respond quickly rather than waiting minutes for the police to stop a murderer.  Good job, Bevo.

Rob- Back to making fun of the media and their biases.  The two murderers who recently shot two police officers and a civilian in Las Vegas were first described as right-wing crazies.  It turns out they were tossed out of the Bundy Ranch near Las Vegas.  That is right, the people at the ranch wouldn’t have them as volunteers.  However, they were photographed back in Indiana at the Million Mask March for Occupy Wall Street.  These murderers were crazy a number of ways, but they were not the tea party patriots the media wanted them to be.

John Comment- The Occupy Movement has very low standards for crazy.

Rob- Oh my god.. there is a man outside.. with a gun!  There.. there are more of them.  It is a whole crowd.  They are all armed. and women and children too!

Rachel- 85 gun owners and their families gathered for an open carry picnic at Detroit’s Milliken State Park last Saturday.  It was a pretty normal picnic complete with hot dogs and drinks.. except that the picnickers were openly carrying a loaded sidearm.  Dave Dellinger, a board member with Michigan Gun Owners, urged those at the picnic to call their legislators to change the laws limiting guns.

Rachel- Quote, “We need to get rid of pistol-free zones.  The first place a criminal is going to go is where they know there won’t be any guns.”

Another picnicker said, We are everyday people.  Every time somebody responsibly open carries in public you keep chipping away at all the lies from the other side.”

John – As of last Friday, Mark Glaze left his post as the executive director with MAIG.  He admitted to the Wall Street Journal that their gun-control proposals would not have prevented mass shootings in the past and the proposals wouldn’t stop mass shootings in the future.  The goal of their statements is to be in the public eye during a time of emotional loss and to insist that we have to do something or else we don’t care about the lives of children.

Rachel- Comment-  So he basically said “Do something useless.. or you’re a hater.”

Rob- Comment- Yeap.

Rob- Governor John Hickenlooper says he is is offering an apology to the sheriffs of Colorado.   The Governor said his staff made a mistake in overlooking the Sheriff’s concerns about Colorado’s new gun laws.  Governor Hickenlooper said he misunderstood the public backlash at having laws rammed through the legislature overnight.  Governor Hickenlooper said he was not in contact with billionaire Bloomberg and the Obama administration about the new gun laws.

Rob- I think the lawmen know a liar when they hear one.

Rob- The Governor deliberately ignored the Sheriff’s legislative testimony opposing the new Colorado gun laws.  The Governor and state attorney general worked against the lawsuit brought by the Sheriffs to stop the gun laws they say are unconstitutional.  Despite denials from his press secretary, phone records show multiple calls between DC and the Governor’s office.  I guess Bloomberg’s money isn’t enough to save the Governor’s political career so he wants to make sweeter lies to the Sheriffs.  I wonder if the citizens of Colorado will buy it.

Rob- Anti-gun politician State Senator Ginny Burdick, D-Portland, Oregon proposed a bill making parents criminally liable for crimes committed by children using their parents firearms.  There are already such laws, but they require the state to show negligence on the part of the adults.  This bill puts the burden of proof on the parents.  It is a lawyer’s dream come true since it overturns some aspects of the castle doctrine if a minor is involved.  For example, can the criminal’s next of kin sue you if your 19 year old daughter defends herself in your home using your firearm?  Yeah, there are problems with this legislation.

Senator Burdick blamed the unfavorable public response to her bill.. on the NRA.

Gary Daugherty- Here is our weekly gun quote, and this one is from an unlikely source.  It begins, “I know the sense of helplessness that people feel. I know the urge to arm yourself because that’s what I did. I was trained in firearms. I’d walk to the hospital when my husband was sick. I carried a concealed weapon. I made the determination that if somebody was going to try to take me out, I was going to take them with me.”  That is from the U.S. Senator from California, Dianne Feinstein speaking on April 27, 1995.

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Rob- You can do everything right and still need help.  A young man posted his old cell phone for sale on Craigslist.  He agreed to meet the buyer in a public place, like the Stroud Mall in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania.  Hmm, how meeting in broad daylight where other people are present.  Let’s choose 3 in the afternoon right outside the JC Penny’s mall entrance.  Two men arrived and pretended to be the buyers.  After examining the phone, they tazed the seller.  That was when a legally armed mall employee who saw the robbery drew his firearm and stopped the robbery cold.  The thieves dropped the cell phone and ran.

John- The next best thing to  having a gun is having friends with guns.

Rob- We should call this DGU “Don’t worry, we’re professionals and we’ve got this covered.”

It starts when four men broke into a home in Port Richey, Florida.  They were looking for money and drugs, and beat up two of the women in the home.  A man in the home called 911 after the robbers left.. and while being transferred to the police, he was mistakenly sent to voicemail.  The robbers weren’t satisfied, and they returned a few minutes later.  This time the homeowner shot them.  As for the robbers, three of them have been caught, including the guy who was shot by the homeowner.

Rachel with a sweet southern voice- “Your call is very important to us. Please remain on the line for the next available representative to handle your call.”

-A 73 three year young grandfather saw a car drive into his front yard just after midnight.  He knew they didn’t belong there, so he grabbed his shotgun and walked outside.  He heard the strangers in his daughter’s house next door, so he called 911.  He waited outside near their carr, and when they returned, he told them to stop and that the police were on their way.  That is when they shot him in the face.

The 72 year old returned fire, hitting one of the intruders in the legs.  The two thieves fled into the woods.  Grandpa waited.  He tackled one of the thieves and held him for police when the young man tried to sneak back to his car.

Police arrested Clyde Webster, 21, and Tyler Trivett, 23.  The two men face several theft, assault, and drug charges for this burglary as well as one in Cocke County.  The grand daughter who lives next door said that grandpa was always a hero, but that now everyone knows about him too.

The thieves took several guns a knife and a hatchet.

John- Jose Padilla, owner of La Playita taco stand in Lynwood, California, was closing up shop when three masked gunmen suddenly came on the scene, pushing their way through the family members and employees who were present. Some reports state Padilla may have been followed after he closed his other restaurant. When the gunmen opened fire, he grabbed his.38-caliber pistol and responded. As his daughter Mariam later stated through her tears: “He’s like me. We don’t go down without a fight.” Shot at least 10 times, Padilla was pronounced dead at the hospital - but all his family members survived.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Gary: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Gary: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John - I did a post yesterday regarding Hillary Clinton saying, in effect, that you and I are terrorists in that we are advocating for the Second Amendment. She said “We cannot let a minority of people — and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people — hold a viewpoint that terrorizes a majority of people,” . She not only hates the 2nd Amendment but it seems the 1st as well.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Gary: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

John: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Gary: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

John- Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Gary: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the weekend
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 244 – Shelly Sorensen

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday June 14th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and on tonights show we will talk with Shelley Sorensen of 1 Million Moms Against Gun Control South Dakota Chapter.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use, and one of the fans of the show Matt from Sioux City comes up to have a conversation about the 2nd Amendment and tyranny
Gary: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 244 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant

Rob- Limb saver. My friend at Overwatch Holsters gave me a spare holster he didn’t like.. and it fit my friends gun very well, so my friend ordered some custom mags to go along with the holsters. I stalked gun stores. Gary was right, these stores were new in the last 4 years. These three have a training facility attached. Yay!

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Shot IDPA. I haven’t found a square range where they will let you shoot 9 shots in 4.4 seconds.. and then ask you to do it again.

Paul- Went out shooting and thanks to listener Matt from Sioux city who joins us tonight, we had a BLAST!

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I am utterly sick of some gun people stating the reason we have the second amendment is to overthrow a tyrannical government. Sorry but this is not the primary reason behind the second amendment. It is definitely not helping our gun rights cause when you make this statement most normal people who do not understand will be terrified. Our founding fathers feared a large standing army so the second amendment was their solution for defense of the nation. It states “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” In the example of Britain between the isolation of the country combined with a powerful Marine (navy). Their stated desire was “A sufficient force to make head against a sudden descent, till the militia could have time to rally and embody, is all that has been deemed requisite. (The federalist papers #8)”. To translate into modern terms an army big enough to delay a surprise attack so the militia can form up to defend their country and homes.

This brings to question. What is the militia? Well sadly we live in a time where the true historical context of militia has been forgotten or obfuscated. When most of you hear militia I expect the first image to come to mind is a compound in the woods with several men running around in camouflage talking of overthrowing the government. This is not a true militia this is a fringe stereotype used to discredit and obfuscate the true concept of the militia. At the founding of this country until the beginning of the 20th century the militia was all males between the age of 18-45. These were normally organized by town or county depending on population and would generally meet once every month or so to drill and maintain the ability to operate as a coordinated force in a time of need.

Ok interesting history lesson but what does that mean for us today? First the people of the country were expected to defend themselves and not relinquish the defense of essential liberty to another. Second it means every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms. Let’s break this down a little. Keep is obvious you have the right to possess the arms. Arms means weapons of any kind so knifes, swords, guns, cannons, and tanks for a few examples. So now we come to the one word that has so much disagreement over the last century Bear. In context of the second amendment it makes perfect sense. It means you have the right to wield the weapons and in the context of this amendment of the constitution no limit shall be placed on that. For those who disagree how can you use a weapon to defend and maintain the security of a free state if you cannot have said weapon on your person to wield.

Ok enough preaching to the choir. The point behind this amendment is multifaceted first it was to maintain the power behind the government with the people. Second military’s are expensive to raise arm and maintain. The second amendment alleviates this cost so instead of having the government pay for each citizens arms and time to defend the nation as part of a standing army. Each citizen is expected to spend their own money to provide the arms and volunteer there time once a month or in a time of war to defend this nation as part of the militia. Next the question is where will any attack come and will the standing army be there to defend against such attack. Hear is another proof of the elegance behind the second amendment. Just like the human immune system we have armed people mixed in the general populace that can respond to a threat as needed. This also allows for an immediate response to a terrorist attack including active shooters. Lets hypothesize if we were to be attacked by a foreign army instead of lone actors. In 2010 we had roughly 32% of this nation as gun owners. If only half of these people choose to take up their arms in defense would have 15% of the nation under arms. This is an even higher percentage than were under arms during WWII that was roughly 10% of the population. Gun owners were and are charged by our founding fathers to protect this nation. The land of the free home of the brave from all threats foreign and domestic. So the next time someone asks you why to you have guns don’t say “because it’s my right” or “so we can overthrow the government”. It is so we can defend this free state the shining beacon on the hill of liberty.

Rob- Matt, other than saying ‘guns frighten many people’, what is your point? Are you discussing marketing, legal theory, or early american history. Each needs its own argument. You seem to say that an armed body of citizens is not supposed to fight tyranny.. and then point out that an armed citizenry was intended to fight tyranny.

Matt, did you see the movie “Assaulted”?  Please give us a movie review.

-End of rant discussion.. and back to our regularly scheduled news.

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Paul- Lies, damn lies, and Bloomberg’s anti-gun statistics.  An anti-gun Bloomberg spokeswoman said there were 74 school shootings since the murders at Sandy Hook.  A journalists fact checked that claim, and Bloomberg came up short.. very short.  In short, the Bloomberg group lied.   Almost 60 of the “school shootings” were nothing of the kind.  There were 15 shootings at schools.. and the number has been steady or falling for many years.  The other sad news is that many media outlets promoted the shocking and false statistics because the wild claims deliver eyeballs to advertisers.

Rob- I think the New York Times is as shameless as the National Enquirer.

Rob- I like to hear about self-reliant business men.  Now, Illinois Democrats were finally forced by a judge to allow concealed carry.  The South Porte Bank of Illinois is doing what it can to promote responsible gun ownership.  The bank is owned by 92-year-old veteran Thomas Throgmorton.  He put up signs at each of their banking locations saying “NOTICE: THIS PROPERTY PROTECTED BY SMITH & WESSON”.  The bank also encourages it’s employees to carry on the job. The bank will pay for each employee to take the state’s concealed carry course and obtain their permit.  I’m thinking that robbing the bank or its customers is felony stupid.Great Bank

John- Moms Demand Action asked their followers to meet for a “stroller jam” protest at the annual Targets Shareholders meeting.  This was going to be a tough sell since the annual meeting was in Dallas, Texas.  All 12 members showed up. Of the 12 protestors, one woman showed up with a stroller and her granddaughter.  They held up signs saying “Texas moms expect more” which is a play on Target’s motto of “Expect More.  Pay Less.”

Rob- Last week there was another murder on school grounds, and the murderer was.. well.. he crazier than an Illinois politician.  The man charged with killing one student and wounding two others at a small Seattle college had stopped taking his psychotropic medications.  The murderer detailed in his hand written journal that he stopped taking his meds because he “..wanted to feel the hate.. I just want people to die, and I’m gonna die with them!”

This murderer badly wanted his crazy.  That leads to an obvious question.  Is it safe to let a murderous crazy person lose in society when he is only safe while he voluntarily medicates himself.  It doesn’t sound safe or responsible to me.

John- A tourist community at Lake of the Ozarks, Missouri has banned open carry.  This even applies to people who have a license to carry concealed.  The Lake Ozark Board of Aldermen voted 4-2 on Tuesday to approve the ban saying that open carry could frighten away tourists, and that the ban will still allow concealed carry.  The measure was initiated by Police Chief Mark Maples.

Rob- I don’t know who is frightened away by open carry, but I won’t visit Lake of the Ozarks because of their ban.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Paul – Las Vegas shooting redux

There is a fund to help with funeral costs for the hero that stopped the shooting. If you can, please contribute. We covered this on the mid-week show but I wanted to touch on this again. Two nutjobs tried to start a “revolution”, got the drop on and killed two officers. They then took the officers guns and spare magazines and went to another location to continue carnage. They went to Wal-Mart that SELLS AMMO. Were they going there to pick up some groceries for later?

There were 2 possible reasons that I can think of for choosing Wal Mart, they were looking for more ammo (and possibly additional guns) or it was just another place to continue killing. I think the acquisition of ammo is the more likely scenario. When confronted at Wal Mart they unfortunately took the life of the hero that intervened and then took their own lives. I want to compare this with the Clackamas Mall shooting a while back and also with the shooting Reynolds High School more recently. In all three cases when met with resistance the incident was over within moments after resistance was met. In at least 2 of the 3 cases by the suicide of the perpetrator.

The scum that is evil enough to begin a mass murder event DOES NOT WANT any resistance. As well generally they do not want to be taken into custody. They know that they will not live to see the end of the day and only want to go out in the “blaze of glory”. I thank God that there was one person who stepped in in the Las Vegas shooting, the Clackamas Mall Shooting and in the case of the Oregon High School Shooting that there were 2 resource officers that were on scene within 60 seconds.

You all have heard me state that I am not a sheepdog, and I would like to thank Marc Salvorsen who helped instruct the live fire portion of the MAG 40 that I attended recently. He disagreed with my rant from a while back, and we talked about it at length during the breaks in class. What he came up with and I agree with is “ I am a sheepdog, but my flock is very small”. There are damn few things that I would use my handgun for, defense of myself and my family is primarily why I carry. Would I do the same as the hero that lost his life in Wal Mart? I would like to think so, this man could have retreated. he had safe passage out and told his friend that he was going to try to stop the killing, telling the friend to escape. We will never know how many lives that were saved that day because of the actions of one CCW holder, I think it is safe to say that many were and if by chance somewhere that Joseph Wilcox is listening from the great beyond, I would like to say thank you sir, I am saddened that you lost you life and thankful that you were able to stop the carnage.

John- This next story is not, unfortunately, really a DGU. Rather it is a warning to be aware and to be observant especially going and coming from the range. On Thursday evening, two armed suspects, a man and a woman, approached two men coming out of the Delaware Valley Sports Center in NE Philadelphia and robbed them of their firearms. They also shot one of the men, aged 67, who is in critical condition. The robbers were also suspected of robbing a gun store the previous day.

Rob- The anti-gun politicians are giving firearms to thugs with their gun-laws.

Paul- Do you use the store that has a no-gun sign?  You can’t be charged for entering the store in South Dakota.

Rob- Tim Hanekamp, was sitting in his home when his wife told him there was someone outside with a gun.  Hanekamp put his own firearm in his back pocket and walked outside to see what was going on.  As soon as he walked outside he was shot in the leg.  He presented his firearm and the woman who shot him took off running.  The woman, Dominica Maddux had shot one person in the face.. with her BB gun.. before she shot Hanekamp.  Now Hanekamp’s gun was not a BB gun.. it was a 9 mm.

Hanekamp said he didn’t fire because of the many children in the neighborhood. Quote “I didn’t want to have a projectile hit somebody.”  The woman is in jail held on two felony counts of aggravated battery.

Comments-  Right on, but get a holster.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion-

John- Email from Ken

This article shows the blinders some people have when it comes to stopping a crazed gunman. Scroll down to their recommendation on how to fight back.  “Fire extinguishers, scissors, and chairs” are the recommended tools. Can you say “obtuse”? There is a perfect tool that comes to my mind, and scissors and chairs aren’t on my list.

http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime/article/What-should-you-do-if-confronted-with-a-gunman-5545484.php?pmsfr=true

Regards,
Ken Silva and Shuggie The (very old) Dog
Laveen, AZ

Paul- Email From TJ

 

Paul,

 

I just want to thank you for throwing that quote and your story into this last show. I also believe that it’s all in the raising, not the breed. We recently had a trainer come out to help out with our pit and pit mix, because they were a little too rambunctious and had a lot of sibling tension. She said that her favorite dogs to train were pit bulls, because they are great dogs and hates to see them given up or euthanized just because people couldn’t control them, or didn’t train them properly.

It seems you and I have very similar views!

Thanks Paul,
TJ Gauthier
Firearms Insider Product Review Manager

John- Listener Chris Chris Gillespie sent in this link about recent bills passed by the Michigan Senate.  The first bill allows a wider range of individuals to teach and supervise youth pistols classes.  The second bill eliminates county concealed weapon licensing boards and their discretionary licensing authority.  County clerks would administer the concealed weapon licensing process. The Michigan State Police  would conduct background checks.

We talked about this in our last episode.  It is great to have interested listeners act as our backup if we miss a news story.  Thank you, Chris.

Rob- A listener and friend asked for a shout out.  I met Scott at the NRA convention, and Scott is a big fan of Open Carry Texas.  Happy Birthday Scott Gibbons and thank you for listening.

Gary: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
John: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- Thank you for asking, Paul. I published an article called “They Want Control: Guns Are the Latest Excuse”.  It is up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and at my blog.  The news media pulls at our emotions about public murders, and then pretends that self-defense doesn’t exist.  I cite a lot of data showing self-defense is very effective.

Gary: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners

Paul: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.